Blake Hawksworth Watch, Literal And Figurative
by DanUpBaby on Jul 6, 2010 4:31 AM EDT
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Blake Hawksworth is like the Jeff Suppan we can all get behind. He's not all that great, and he's not all that likely to be great, but like Suppan he's been pretty decent, and unlike Suppan he's interesting to watch. With Jeff Suppan it is just a matter of putting three earned runs on the board, catching up on your DVR backlog for three to three-and-a-half hours, and flipping to Fox Sports just in time for Dennys Reyes to start the top of the sixth inning. With Blake Hawksworth there are all kinds of indicators of his effectiveness,
First indicator: velocity. Hawksworth threw in the mid-90s one shoulder surgery ago, when he was the Cardinals' top prospect both before and after labrum repair. (It was a different time for prospects in the dark ages between the end of the Bronze Age and the beginning of Future Redbirds.) In his second career as a second-tier suspect, from 2006 to 2008, he was supposed to be throwing high-80s-low-90s.
When he joined the Cardinals' bullpen in late 2009 after a noncommital cup of coffee and began throwing 95 miles per hour—at times throwing nothing but fastballs—it could at least be explained away as the effects of moving to the bullpen. But in his two solid starts he's averaged 94 and 93 with his fastball, which is a step beyond what could have been expected of Hawksworth at his most irrelevant in 2008. His strikeout rate was trending up at AAA—maybe it wasn't just craftiness.
But what was truly impressive in his last start was the return of his infamous plus changeup. I've been waiting a long time for a pitcher with an awesome changeup—Anthony Reyes's sinking strikeout change disappeared with his fastball, P.J. Walters's impossibly slow screwballesque couldn't fool enough major leaguers to convince them he had a fastball, and now Hawksworth seemed to thrive the most in the bullpen when he threw his changeup the least.
But last week he threw 27 changeups against 53 fastballs, and got eight swinging strikes out of them. Most of his changeups—and swinging strikes—were low and out of the zone, the kind of ahead-in-the-count strikeouts that perfectly complement DuncanBall.
And finally: he played DuncanBall really well! Like Suppan he aims as many fastballs as possible in each corner of the bottom of the zone. Unlike Suppan he has a fastball that might eventually allow him to get away with the mistakes that in his last start were sent out of the park. I don't expect a lot out of Hawksworth just because there's nothing except my own long-term Hawksworth fandom and two good starts to suggest we should expect a lot. But fifth starters aren't the guys you expect a lot out of; they're the guys who have room to pleasantly surprise on occasion.
Figurative
As Literal Blake Hawksworth Watch might suggest, I am most fond of prospects that have one or more of the (also figurative, but sometimes literal) dings and dents that cause consumer goods to end up at Big Lots. Some of the prospects, like Hawksworth, are high-quality goods that fell off the truck and injured a shoulder or stayed in the minor leagues past their expiration dates. Others were never more than generic space-fillers but still have some limited major league usefulness.
This is a high attrition fandom. (Don't look at Gary Daley's June, or July.) But I was happy to see long-time VEB pet tools goof Tommy Pham get promoted to AA Springfield to replace Aaron Luna, who's off to Memphis over the weekend. Last night he walked, doubled, and stole his 14th base of the season.
Pham has had all five tools from birth, apparently, but after his strong Spring Training all that power he'd shown vanished beneath the crushing park factors of high-A Palm Beach. His .262/.377/.392 line in the FSL wasn't extremely impressive, but the league slugging percentage in the FSL this year is .364, and the league OPS .688, so it'll be good to see him in a league where he is (and we are) out of excuses.
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Starting in the bullpen
I’m beginning to see a trend with guys who come up and spend a year or more in the bullpen and then move to rotation. This breaking in period seems to work. Even puppykicker was a servicable starter after a while. Even Wainwright benefited from a year in the bullpen.
I would like to see K-Mac move into rotation as well if we had a stronger bullpen option to replace him. I’m ok with
Suppan but I’d like to see K-Mac get 3-4 starts to see if he can do it.
Maybe they need to bring PJ up next year and let him work long relief for a year.
Just win
I think with the rise of Motte, continued improvement of Boggs, and the ability of Salas to fill in a RH middle relief,
that there is an opportunity for K Mac now to move to the rotation. Penny appears to be close though, so I doubt it happens. Soup and Hawk will battle it out for the 5th spot for the rest of the season, and I think I’m fine with it as long as the top four can stay healthy the rest of this season. If someone goes down in the coming months, I’d enjoy seeing K Mac get his shot, but I’m worried by the late season, the stamina won’t be there for him to effectively start.
Anyway, all we need to do is get Soup to the NLCS, and he’ll do the rest for us… just kidding.
RFL for GG!
I agree
I posted the same thing last week. But everyone told me there’s no way it would happen. if it was gona happen they would of tried Kmac in the rotation alreasy by now, it seemed like after spring when Tony said Kmac was goin back to the pen like it was a final decision and wouldn’t change. I really don’t think Kmac has been as good as his numbers in the pen this year tho, he has given up some big hits/hrs late in games. Your right tho wth salas,motte,boggs,franklin all pitching well I don’t see why we can’t move kmac to the rotation. He has starter stuff, then we could just call salas up permenantly. I think boggs could team up with motte as the 2nd setup guy. I was talkin wiht Jeff Luhnow earlier this year and he told me they feel like boggs will be the future closer, now that was before motte has performed so well, but I think boggs could take kmacs spot in the pen. I would of loved to see kmac in the 5th spot. Too bad they didn’t give it a try I think he could of done well there.
by mick311 on Jul 6, 2010 10:38 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
No thanks on K-Mac
Despite the K-rate, he’s getting 81% contact which is slightly more than league average—-if he’s averaging 90 instead of 91.5…I really don’t want to see that.
Not afraid to nitpick
yeah
I really don’t think he would fare well in the rotation. what’s more is if Penny and Lohse get back soon there’s absolutely no need for it in the foreseeable future.
*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 6, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
FWIW. . .
this was the way that it used to be done in the bigs, back when men were men and the game was as pure as the wind-driven snow and all that.
It’s also the way Danny Haren was brought along as a big leaguer, IIRC.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jul 6, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes,
and it was those relief appearances that allowed Jocketty and TLR to determine that Haren was inferior to Mark Mulder, despite Duncan’s protests.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Big week, this week.
we’re now 2 games back of the Reds, and you have to feel like the Cards are going to have to rattle off a 6 game win streak this week in order to maybe pull even before entering the All Star break. Hopefully Penny, Luddy, and Freese can be back after the break, with hopefully the losses of Miles and Stav also coming with the A-crew’s return. This is the week that this team really needs to focus, and make a charge, as a poor showing in an 8 game stretch against the Dodgers and Phillies after the break could really hamstring us. We really can’t afford to go into the break limping. We need to go into the break strong.
RFL for GG!
I'd actually prefer they get hot AFTER the break
nothing worse than getting a hot streak going, then shutting everything down for a few days. I’d be happy if they keep pace or maybe whittle the lead down to a game, then get hot after the break. Not that what I prefer amounts to jack-squat.
youneverknow
+1
*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 6, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I definitely don't want to go into the break 4 games down,
and I don’t want to absolutely have to start with a hot streak against LA and the Phillies to keep up/catch-up. I’d like to be even with them at the break, just in case Penny is further delayed and the Reds come back from the break with Volquez ready to go. I think any time is good to go on a hot streak and that we can’t give a solid Reds team too much of a lead, as they could get even better before the trade deadline.
RFL for GG!
The Decline of the Mycenean Kingdom..
…at the end of the Late Bronze Age reeked havoc on our farm system…
;=8)
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Jul 6, 2010 8:39 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Excavations at the pre-Hellenic coastal settlements...
such as Argos revealed a wealth of domestic artifacts ranging from wine amphorae, iron arrow heads, silver coins, and plastic Bo Hart bobblehead dolls…
;=8)
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Jul 6, 2010 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
Keep going...
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jul 6, 2010 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Souvenir
signed baseballs from Keith McDonald
by Michael_68_1999 on Jul 6, 2010 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Two scorecards
from the LaRussa period that showed identical lineups (with the best players playing their natural positions) on consecutive days.
Carry the battle to them. Don't let them bring it to you. Put them on the defensive and don't ever apologize for anything.
Yeah,
That was living in Fantasyland. TLR would prolly spontaneously combust if he did that….along with it being a total accident.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 6, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Some digs of important Cardinal Cycladic period sites
have uncovered this strinking and stylistic bust of 1991 draftee John Mabry.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Jul 6, 2010 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions 12 recs
Excellent.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Thank you
Though, I’m not sure what “strinking” means… it probably means “a word that was supposed to be ‘striking’ but that mattybobo typed wrong because he has a subconscious desire to screw up his own jokes.”
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
I just thought it was a type-o,
and didn’t get into the psychoanalysis.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Sometimes a typo is just a typo
but what my post presupposes is… maybe it isn’t?
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Jul 6, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Why would a reviewer make the point of saying someone’s not a genius? Do you especially think I’m not a genius?
[Pause]
You didn’t even have to think about it, did you?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Next
you’ll be analyzing your typo with a variety of carefully hand-recorded observations saved in a thick three-ring binder, categorized by type of typo and frequency.
And you’ll review each typo carefully, checking the preceding words for clues, to ensure you’re not “tipping your typos,”
by Michael_68_1999 on Jul 6, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
According to Wikipedia
Archaelogical digs at Cahokia Mounds have uncovered several unblemished and unused bats belonging to someone known as “Big” Jim Lindeman.
honestly i'm looking forward
To tonight’s results. The hawk meme has come and gone on veb and i’d like to see it return!
by sdrone on Jul 6, 2010 9:08 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
GAW!
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
stab!
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Can someone dig out that picture?
I’m pretty sure in big situations, they’d walk him [Pujols] to get to Babe Ruth.-- Matt Holliday
Courtesy of the Game 20 Gamethread
Note: Above comment may contain gratuitous amounts of sarcasm.
BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS
Hey Houston,
Suck it; you suck
Oh I meant the one with Hawksworth on the mound,
knife in hand with a bird on his shoulder. That one was floated around a bit last year.
I’m pretty sure in big situations, they’d walk him [Pujols] to get to Babe Ruth.-- Matt Holliday
As long as it's Beef bacon!
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jul 6, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I just ate a calzone with bacon, mozarella, cheddar, and mixed veggies
awesome
*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 6, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Dings and dents
Nothing more compelling to me than watching Anthony Reyes or Blake Hawksworth try to recapture what we once hoped they were capable of. I mean, it’s a pleasure to watch guys like Albert and Adam, who we expect to succeed most of the time, but I’m most enthusiastic about guys like the Hawk, who until last week seemed to be at his best only in innings 13-15 against the Dodgers.
"When all's been said and done, I can say that all has been said and done."
-Steve "Lips" Kudlow, of Anvil
Wouldn't it be fun
to be a fan of a team with a progressive attitude, one that was aligned to developing its own players and giving them a chance — even if it were as a role player? I sincerely thought the Cardinals were headed in that direction with the Baby Bench. Fooled me once, fooled me twice … won’t get fooled again.
We’ve all discussed again and again how depressing it was when the team picked up Aaron Miles and Jeff Suppan, and to a lesser extent Randy Winn. I look at the Reds and how they’ve filled out their roster with promising young players, and I wonder how much the Proven Veteran™ approach of this past decade was Walt Jocketty, or the deadweight effects of the LaRussa Tax.
There are six players who have posted OPS above .800 with Memphis; two of them, Jay and Greene, have been recalled only recently to St. Louis. And while Adam Ottavino and Brandon Dickson might not be considered top-shelf prospects, at least getting them starts and innings would offer experience and character-builders that might help the team in the future. Having Suppan on the roster makes absolutely no sense — he’s worse than replacement value, and there is no future of him on the team beyond the immediate present that makes any sense whatsoever.
I have to wonder what the roster composition would be if the Cardinals had a manager such as Art Howe or Willie Randolph. I’m by no means advocating those two, but I’d prefer a skipper in the dugout who is aligned with the organizational philosophy, not one who is an obstacle to its implementation.
tl;dr — Gimme the Memphis Baby Birds.
their supposed reason is that they're protecting the Baby Bench
from not getting enough at-bats.
that is the line, anyway.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Well, we do have that philosophy a little at least.
Going with the most PAs at each position and IP while finding out who is home grown:
Home grown:
C – Yadi
1B – Albert
2B – Skip
SS – Ryan
3B – Freese (traded for, but came to the Majors via our Minors.)
LF – nope (Holliday)
CF – Rasmus
RF – Ludwick (same as Freese)
Bench – nope (Lopez), Stavi, nope (Winn), Jay, nope (LaRue), Mather, Greene – I added one extra because Winn has more PA if you include his time with NYY.
SP – Waino, Nope, Garcia, Nope, Nope
RP – Hawksworth, McClellan, Boggs, Nope (Franklin), Motte, Nope (Reyes), Ottovino, Nope (Miller) – I added one extra RP because I added one extra position player…
That is a lot of home grown talent in one lineup. 9 of 14 position players listed and 7 of 13 pitchers listed.
you've got a few there who are not home-grown...
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Waino should be in the same boat as Luddy and Freese.
came in the JD Drew trade.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jul 6, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Last time I checked, he wasn't on a boat.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
by RiverRat on Jul 6, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Oh he could be.... the possibilities.
Note: Above comment may contain gratuitous amounts of sarcasm.
BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS
Hey Houston,
Suck it; you suck
...
i have been wondering for a while why in the world we have the bench we do, while mather & craig are down in the minors despite ripping it up in memphis. it makes no sense to have guys like miles (tlr’s proven vet theory) and stav (one-knee home runs!) when they should have been off the roster long ago.
To be fair...
…Craig got all of 21 PA. If that’s all the shot he’s going to get then I feel truly terrible for the guy.
VivaElBirdos: Celebrating glorious mustaches since 2009
by redbirdnation8206 on Jul 6, 2010 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Mather is definitely not ripping it up in the PCL.
And an .893 OPS isn’t really ripping it up either in the PCL….the MLE on that is .265/.307/.419. He’s better than Stav but that’s not really saying much.
Not afraid to nitpick
Yeah, right when Craig got sent down
He underperformed severely. But this is still the Allen Craig we know and love, just look at how he has destroyed the baseball since June.
babip giveth... and babip taketh away
by purple_haze on Jul 6, 2010 12:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah
Mather’s hitting for zero power in Memphis. I don’t want him back on the big league team just yet. He looked lost earlier in the year.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jul 6, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Wrist injuries'll do that to a player
Let’s just hope it returns at some point. Hopefully Mather can have a Jayson Werth-like resurgence
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
when I heard about surgery number... three?
I thought we’d never see him again, period. it’s nice that Joey Bombs had a stint in the Big Show, at least. and, like, a reality show.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Today is the 98th day of Albert in the Albertofstan calendar.
in case you were keeping track.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Thanks
It can get a lil confusing how the calendar year works in Albertofstan.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 6, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
for anyone needing a refresher course
In Albertofstan... April begins October begins the month of Ozzie the month of Albert. aka Ozzie Leap Time. April 1: Albert 1 October 1: Ozzie 1 May 1: Albert 31 November 1: Ozzie 31 June 1: Albert 62 December 1: Ozzie 62 * July 1: Albert 93 January 1: Ozzie 93 August 1: Albert 123 February 1: Ozzie 124 Sept 1: Albert 154 March 1: Ozzie 152 ‡ * As a quick reference, Christmas Eve is Ozzie 85. ‡ If a Leap Day is required to correct the calendar, it shall be called Chris Carpenter.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
That explains soooo much, thanks.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 6, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I was born on Ozzie 85
*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 6, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Mine's easy
Albert 18
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
And I'm getting married on
Albert 129
I know, get a prenup…
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
Ozzie 131
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
Albert 177
probably the latest in Albert of anyone here
I don't give a fuck who you confuse me with.
Ozzie 160.
I’m pretty sure in big situations, they’d walk him [Pujols] to get to Babe Ruth.-- Matt Holliday
Albert 126
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.
i'm ozzie 162, which i think is awesome since there are 162 baseball games.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
my mom's is Albert 5
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
BTW
Mine is Albert 42.
The king of the universe plus the answer to the ultimate question of life the universe and everything
Albert 180
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 6, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm Ozzie 20
which is pretty special since we can also celebrate Lou Brock that day.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down and that foot is me
Birthday
Albert 119 for me. It’s got a ring to it I think. Sounds much better than July 26th anyway.
by WizardofOz1982 on Jul 6, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Albert 30!
Note: Above comment may contain gratuitous amounts of sarcasm.
BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS
Hey Houston,
Suck it; you suck
Ozzie 178
Cardinals Baseball 2010: Why have only one 25th man when you can have four?
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Jul 6, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
crap
f’n SBN
Cardinals Baseball 2010: Why have only one 25th man when you can have four?
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Jul 6, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
it is also said that during Ozzie Leap Time
we celebrate Rumorsgiving.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 6, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
good old albert 7
I share it with Wordsworth, Jackie Chan, John McGraw, Ronnie Belliard, and Brett Tomko.
mine is almost universally lacking in celebrity birth-alikes
Joan Crawford, Michael Nyman, Joe Calzaghe, hilariously-named American swimmer Misty Hyman, and Mark Buehrle.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jul 6, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Mike Sweeny, John Leguziamo, David Spade
and don’t forget, C Duncan was traded away from the Cards.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
How do the years work?
BTM= “Before the Man” – Formation of the universe – 1940
TM=" The Man"- 1941-1981
TW=“The Wizard”- 1982-2000
And from 2001- forever more, it will be known as MANG= “Mang”
For Example: I was born Albert 20, 2 TW
RFL for GG!
well, we determined that a linear timeline would suggest an ending of Albert Time
so it’s possible it’s a cyclical calendar?
I am pulling for there to be a weekly Standay.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
that might be MACHING
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Ozzie 110
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on Jul 6, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Is there any reason the Mariners didn't accept the Twins deal last night
Are they really gonna do better than Wilson Ramos and Aaron Hicks?
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
That guy we gave a lot of money in the offseason to protect albert is dead to me...DEAD TO ME
They clearly think that they are
They could possibly get more from the Twins, imo, who are hard up for another top of the rotation arm.
I actually do think they can do better than that if they wait until after the break. I have to believe that Texas is going to be in the market for Lee, and I think you would trade him in the division to Texas, because of the strength of the prospects you’ll get back and the fact that Lee isn’t likely to be there next year as I think he ends up with the Mets this offseason.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
If you're the Mariners, why rush into a deal?
They have the most sought after commodity on the trading block, so why not wait and see how many suitors you have? It’s a smart decision, I think.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
yea but two top 50 prospects
both at premium positions? i just don’t know how anyone would be willing to offer better than that…even if they wait texas out, i seriously doubt they will give up better for two months of cliff lee and two picks in next year’s draft
i guess my worry(were I a mariners fan) is that if i wait till the deadline, the twins will find someone else to plug their rotation hole…obviously that person won’t be as good as cliff lee, but they probably wouldn’t have to give up both of those prospects
when i saw that offer, it bowled me over…i’m just surprised it didn’t do the same to the seattle FO…of course thats probably why they get the big bucks
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
That guy we gave a lot of money in the offseason to protect albert is dead to me...DEAD TO ME
corky?
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
Cody Ransom is a real person.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
So is Chucho Ramos.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jul 6, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
oh wow
i didn’t realize he was having that bad of a year
See, the GM of the Mariners is smarter than me
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
That guy we gave a lot of money in the offseason to protect albert is dead to me...DEAD TO ME
I really like Hicks
I think he’s very similar to Rasmus a few years ago except he’s a switch hitter.
Not sure about Ramos though. He’ll be in just about any deal that the Twins are making, I would imagine, but he’s having a putrid year at AAA and there are a LOT of good catching prospects available right now. I’m guessing he’s not even considered a top 50 talent anymore.
If you could get Martin Perez or Tanner Scheppers, and Mitch Moreland from the Rangers that would be a MUCH better haul, imo. I think Moreland is a legit bat, and both Scheppers and Perez are top 20 arms. Not sure the Rangers would give that up, but it’s worth a shot.
FWIW, you could ask the Twins for Hicks and Ramos and then have them throw in a high ceiling player like Ben Tootle or Chris Parmalee (I would think the Twins would do the deal with throwing in either of those guys, imo. They have no need for Parmalee at any point, and Tootle hasn’t shown much other than throwing really, really hard. The M’s have a good track record with good arms that have control problems in the past, so I’d imagine they’d be interested).
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Just an aside...
Moreland is the 10th best prospect in the Rangers system — would be #1 or #2 in the Cardinal system. Tootle is #15 for the Twins, would be top 5 for the Cardinals.
It just kinda shows how poor our system is on top end talent.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
As well
If Texas feels the need, they can drop one of Chris Davis or Justin Smoak to headline a package.
So something like Smoak/Davis, Scheppers/Perez, and another B/C prospect should get it done perhaps.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
I'm not sure they give up Smoak straight up for Lee
He’s their 1B of the present and future and I think they’re pretty high on him. Tough to trade that for half a year of Lee, even if they think Smoak’s only going to be a bit above average.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jul 6, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I would probably offer Davis then,
but this is assuming the Mariners would want him at this point, which is a significant question.
I am just not as high on Smoak as most people I guess.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
Whether you're high on Smoak or not,
that’s too much for half a season of Lee. imo. I wouldn’t do it.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 6, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Texas would get some nice draft pics for him though
Got to think that plays some…
…likely have to demand more. Can’t give teams extra pics within the division.
by YesWeOquendo on Jul 6, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
thats true
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
That guy we gave a lot of money in the offseason to protect albert is dead to me...DEAD TO ME
That's true
But Texas may give them more than the Twins offer. They have youth at the MLB level right now and could give up plenty in a deal. And with the way they draft and scout the Latin market, they’d gladly give up a few picks from AAA to restock at lower levels I’d imagine.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
See above....
That’s what I think Texas would be willing to give up in a Lee deal.
I think a Perez/Moreland + a C prospect would be a good deal for both teams. The M’s get a really high upside arm that nearly all scouts like, and a power upside bat that plays 1B, where they currently have nothing in their system. Texas gives up a pitcher who’s no likely to help them in the next couple of years and a bat they can’t use for a pitcher that could help them get to the World Series this year and net them two picks in what looks like a deep 2011 draft if they don’t sign him.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
cue mysterui
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I got nothin' on this
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
time to make up news?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
We clearly need to get better informants
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.
Why not?
Joe Strauss has made a career out of it.
by Michael_68_1999 on Jul 6, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
No, no, no.
It’s time to tweet that you are going to be publishing made-up news later.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jul 6, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Baby Bench
Miles, Winn, and LaRue, need to be swapped out with Mather, Craig, and Anderson. Our record was so much better with the youthful energy. And I’d much rather watch. Bombs and his versatility than Aaron F’king Miles.
The only one who liked the Cardinals so much he became a St. Louis Cardinals football fan.
by coachnick39 on Jul 6, 2010 10:25 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
this
maybe not larue, but miles & winn definitely. if we traded out larue for stav, then it’s a definite.
i’ve been really disappointed that guys like mather and craig are raking in memphis, and meanwhile we’re running stav, miles & winn out there – and none of them are doing anything worth a crap. the larussa tax is getting to be a pain.
Stavinfection
He has a .365 BABIP and he is hitting .275/.318/.375/.693 (.310 wOBA). I seem to remember the defense of his being on the roster was that he was producing. To which, folks rebutted that he was lucky in his production. Sadly, it appears his luck is running out in terms of results, but I fear that his roster spot is safe due to his early season homers from a knee.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
stav's defense
was not very good this past weekend – and i saw it in person. to me, stav on d is much like c. duncan – a first baseman stuck in the OF.
And when a guy can't even rake like Duncan did when he first came up
that’s not a good person to be compared to.
I really have nothing against Stav. But, he needs to be replaced.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Or, rather
he should have been replaced as soon as Ludwick got hurt.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
i doubt if I record would be any better with Mather, Craig, and Anderson
And if it was, it would be by 1 win.
Now, if Ryan and Molina remember how to hit a ball…
It's not just the short-term results
that make the Baby Bench attractive, it’s the long-term payoff of exposing them to those character-building situations in the majors. If you don’t allow them the experience to play, and fail if necessary, then will they ever be “ready”?
Will we be having this same conversation next year and in 2012, as Craig, Mather, Jay, Anderson and Greene continue to hit for the first-place Memphis Redbirds?
Patience is a virtue, and the teams and managers who possess it will be rewarded by young, cost-controlled players who can contribute to a winning ballclub.
The problem with Proven Veterans™ is two-fold — since they’re older, you’ll be spending all your offseasons year after year finding replacements to your Proven Veterans™ rather than permanent solutions, and these Proven Veterans™ clogging the roster short-circuit a player development strategy.
With the elevation of Mozeliak and Luhnow, the front office seems eager to pursue a player development strategy in building long-term solutions for the Cardinals. The LaRussa Tax demands imports of short-term, injury-prone, mediocre Proven Veterans™.
by Michael_68_1999 on Jul 6, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
LaRussa hasn't imported anyone
Mo has. LaRussa can’t sign people. Mo can.
Tony didn’t sign Suppan. Mo did. (Suppan has been better that what we were getting from OttoWalters)
Tony didn’t sign Winn. Mo did. (Give me Jay any day.)
Tony didn’t sign Aaron Miles. Mo did. (Tyler Greene has started every game over miles since they have both been on the Roster.)
We keep blaming Tony for the Roster. Mo sets the Roster.
It's certainly fair to say that TLR has had an influence on roster selection
and that he has a bias in favor of Proven Veterans (and people who look like Nick Stavinoha) at the expense of young players.
In fact I recall Miles acknowledging that TLR’s influence allowed him to claw his way back into the major leagues.
I don't give a fuck who you confuse me with.
we can look at
Wainwright for closer
McClellan 8th inning
Freese at 3rd
and Garcia over McClellan as examples were tony is just fine going with a rookie
Tony has an influence but it is Mo’s job to say ‘no’
It's not that simple, though. . .
TLR reputation > Mo’s reputation
If TLR leaves, trashing Mo’s roster construction on the way out the door, that’s a tough cross for Mo to bear, both professionally and personally.
For that matter, TLR has shown that if given certain pieces, he just won’t use them.
To a degree, Mo has to cater to TLR’s wishes, even if some of those cases are demonstrably wrong.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jul 6, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
.
For that matter, TLR has shown that if given certain pieces, he just won’t use them.
He has also proven when given the Pieces of Miles and Greene. He prefers to use Greene.
When given the pieces of Craig, Jay, and Stavinoha. He prefers to use Jay and Craig in the field and Stavionha as the PH.
So Tony doesn't have ANYTHING to say about roster construction?
I think that’s more ludicrous than saying that he has input.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
of course he has some imput
I have some input in my department. But if I suggest something, and it doesn’t work out, it’s my boss whose ass is on the line.
What about Winn? Do you think Tony was actively scouting Winn and told Mo to go grab him as soon has he came available?
I’d imange he said something more on the lines of, can we get someone who can play CF and bat righthanded to spell Rasmus?
well
isn’t it funny that Winn played in San Francisco all those years…
seriously, all of the outside deals this year happened after La Russa spoke to the players or had a message from them. to La Russa. not Mo. not within weeks — within days. again, it’s circumstantial evidence, but we cannot just throw out metaphors from other situations when we know quite a bit more about the specifics.
I agree that it’s Mo’s ass on the line. but isn’t it nice that Tony is untouchable even if his fingerprints are all over roster management…
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
what about the time he asked for a bat
Craig was brought up and sent down the next day. It likes Mo tries to make roster decision and can be easily overruled.
"I've had pretty good success with Stan (Musial) by throwing him my best pitch and backing up third." - Carl Erskine
one of these days I will learn how to spell or at least proofread.
It looks like Mo………………
"I've had pretty good success with Stan (Musial) by throwing him my best pitch and backing up third." - Carl Erskine
So Tony gets to make input on roster decisions
and then Mo gets fired over taking his advice? Tony is just as culpable on roster management, because he’s the manager of the team. If Allen Craig is placed on the roster, doesn’t play at all because Tony wants Randy Winn, isn’t that having some input on roster management? If he refuses to play a player because of spite over a decision made by the FO, then that’s a problem. Not saying this is what happens, but I’m also not saying it doesn’t happen either, and considering that Aaron Miles is on the roster, that would suggest that he’s got more say than anyone thinks.
That’s a fucking awesome situation for LaRussa. Tony should suggest stuff all the time even if he thinks it’s shitty advice! According to you, he’s basically untouchable!
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Mo doesn't have to listen to tony's input
What if Allen Craig is on the Roster and he starts more than Winn?
By the way, if Craig is on the roster, and Stavinoha starts more, THEN Tony gets the blame. THEN Mo / we can say Tony had a better option but chose not to use it.
Just like now that Greene is on the roster, we can blame Tony whenever miles is starting over him. Because there is a better option right there.
You do it your way
I’ll continue to do it my way — mainly because I don’t think that Mo ever sets the roster without input from the manager.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
we can sit here and say the circumstantial evidence doesn't count
but implying it doesn’t exist is another thing altogether. we have reams of it and it’s been blockquoted here before.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
+1
i agree tony probably has some input, but the fact that tyler greene has started every game since he got called up says a lot, IMO
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
In 38 PAs,
Green’e wOBA is .366. In 34 PAs, Aaron Miles’s wOBA is .320. Obviously, these stats mean next to nothing, but it is heartening that Greene is giving us better results than Miles during their limited number of PAs. Hopefully, it can continue.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jul 6, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know.
If it’s over five games, that’s not really enough exposure to go writing a player off forever, IMO. Now, if Greene gets a legitimate, extended look, there might be reason to write him off.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jul 6, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Obviously I'm talking the rest of the season
Miles is a AA player from stats and watching him.
Not afraid to nitpick
I figured as much,
but wanted to be sure. You are absolutely correct about Miles. What is scary is that we have two players who are incapable of fielding their stated positions on the field: Stavinoha and Miles. Miles’s range is absolutely horrendous. As he has aged, what was once substandard range has declined into outright immobility.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jul 6, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok, you said immobility
So i did an image search for “hoverround”
which led to this…
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
Will I have to pay for that upgrade?
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.
yes, you must pay with lots of these
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
Aaron Miles was our DH.
Aaron Miles!
I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons
dick in a toaster?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
by RiverRat on Jul 6, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Dick in a toaster
But no, that one game he did not hurt us
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
I can't wait until we get to the WS and Miles DHes because he went 3 for 4 with a walk as a DH one time
by jd is legend on Jul 6, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He was dh'ing because of
poor roster management.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
The Cardinal roster is more a duet than a solo.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jul 6, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I think DeWitt deserves some of the blame, too.
He allows TLR to act this way and it is getting out of hand.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jul 6, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I challenge you to a duel blame!
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
This makes no sense.
Because it once produced a good result, that does not make it a good idea at the time or moving forward.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jul 6, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Both my memory
and b-r say it was 2 for 3 with a walk. FWIW
Carry the battle to them. Don't let them bring it to you. Put them on the defensive and don't ever apologize for anything.
I'd rather have Jay than Mather
*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 6, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
a little OT
when waino shut out the brewcrew the last time he faced them, the game ended with a strikeout of prince fielder…and prince struck out to end the game two days ago as well
Signatures are overrated.
methinks he won't be a brewer come august
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
That guy we gave a lot of money in the offseason to protect albert is dead to me...DEAD TO ME
so we need to backload
our gifs of him?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
or is that
frontloading?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
AJ Pujols is so big
he’s the closing shot in the Home Run Derby spot.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I thought he was not participating in the HR Derby?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jul 6, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm glad to see Hawksworth getting the start tonight,
not because I’m particularly fond of him, nor because his potential is very high, and not even because I think he is going to perform much better than Jeff Suppan, but this is one of those easy decisions, where you simply pick the guy who can do the same thing with a little bit higher potential than the other option. The Cards have failed to make this decision correctly a few times this year, and it’s nice to see them get one right. Aaron Miles remains on the roster, but the decision making could be worse I guess.
I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons
by hazel on Jul 6, 2010 11:33 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
It's not just about this year
The Cards will almost certainly not re-sign Penny next year so they will be in need of a fifth starting pitcher. The internal options are Hawksworth (who could get a good ways there if he continues to pitch well), McClellan, and Ottavino (I don’t have any confidence in PJ and Lynn is still probably another year away). The external options include Suppan: if he can build up his endurance, he would probably come pretty cheap to the Cards at this point in his career. I’ve never enjoyed watching Soup pitch, except during the 2006 post-season, so I hope we have better options.
future pitching
i would also count soup out. it’s obvious that he’s not the same guy he was from the 06 postseason.
ottavino doesn’t impress me, so i’d say the odds are slim for him. same with pj.
We can probably get better than Suppan in the #5 spot for $2-4m next year
I’m betting he sits out next year and collects his last few dollars from the brewers, then retires. Despite a relative lack of internal options, i’d be happier with hawk or ottavino in that spot, I think, or some other retread with a bit more upside.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jul 6, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
cough Brandon Webb cough...
I wish he would accept a 1yr/4 million deal, but he will probably end up getting something like Sheets got.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
I doubt it
Webb has been out for two years and is dealing with a shoulder injury they can’t even pin down the diagnosis on.
Not afraid to nitpick
I think some team, like the Mets, will overpay for him
just in case he turns out to pitch like he used to.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
I really really like Webb
such a shame he got hurt. I think Dave Duncan would probably have to order in a new consignment of towels if Mo provided him with a healthy Brandon Webb.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jul 6, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
But it is about this week
This means that Hawksworth is in line to start Sunday before the ASB. So, really, the decision was to let Hawk start twice and Supp once instead of the other way around. IMO, this either indicates 1) TLR/DD think Hawk gives us a better chance to win, right now, than Supp, or 2) TLR/DD recognize that it is much more important, long-term, to see if Hawk can be the 5th starter (or both!).
by ArkansasTravs on Jul 6, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
A great point.
And it is a point that has sometimes been forgotten here when discussing the roster moves of late.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jul 6, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah
It was very encouraging seeing them skip Suppan’s start… he’s starting to look like the stopgap measure that he should be in my mind
*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 6, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
OT and late: But how were your July 4ths?
I had two friends fly up to Seattle… On the third, we browsed the Pike Place Farmer’s Market, ate at Pike Place Chowder (Seriously. Best chowder ever.), took a ferry over to Bainbridge Island, and BBQed
On the 4th, we drove over to Gas Works Park for the fireworks. Despite it being rainy for half the day, it ended up being a decent night, and the fireworks were the best I’ve ever seen. I read that Seattle usually has one of the top-10 fireworks shows in the nation, but it’s hard for me to imagine any other city topping this; fireworks were themed and synced to music (for example, Frank Sinatra’s “Unforgettable”; all the fireworks were of the golden shimmery nature). Had to have been 10,000+ people there.
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
80/35 Music Festival in Des Moines.
It was a lot of fun.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jul 6, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
BEST. CHOWDER. EVER.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
by IHeartBoog on Jul 6, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
mine was in Chicago
it sounded like a war zone in the city. I think someone to the south of us had 10s of thousands of firecrackers in brick form, since you’d hear them going off for minutes at a time instead of like 20 seconds or whatever. also, I was at this artist party and some dude with a beard pulled up on his bicycle with 2 bags full of fireworks, we were lighting them off on the sidewalk, I think may have pissed off a car or two
*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 6, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
went tubing for most of the day
but man am i sore right now
Rasmus can hit lefties
cardinalred
St. Louis Sports blog
Sounds cool...
My bro is out in that area and he loves it. I had a pretty fantastic STL-centric 4th weekend.
Thursday: Cards game (L).
Friday: Cards game (W); drinks with friends I hadn’t seen in a while.
Saturday: Golf all day, then a nap, then McGurks, then City Museum. Awesome.
Sunday: Breakfast, lounging, fireworks under the Arch, Broadway Oyster Bar, Eat Rite.
Monday: Forest Park stuff, Pho Grand.
Definitely one of the most enjoyable weekends I’ve experienced in a while.
Are you really Adam Dunn?
Because only an America-hating commie would do work during the Independence Day holiday.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jul 6, 2010 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I know right
July 4 is my favorite holiday and I spent it cramped up in my apartment all weekend doing fucking work. It was a beautiful weekend down here too. Fuck.
ran an excruciating little 5k
got drunk on the river. passed out early.
I am pleasantly pleased, thankyouverymuch
lookin ahead at this series
I was glad to see we aren’t going to get ubaldo on thursday, but damn this Chacin kid pitching in his place looks pretty nasty. The guys got 76k’s in 72innings and rightys are only hitting .185 off him. Looks like a formula for disaster for our offense. The only bright side is he has a 4.75era at Coors.
by mick311 on Jul 6, 2010 12:04 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
don't know where you get your info
but the PD has us facing Ubaldo on Thursday – might be OK since he’s gotten hit around alittle lately
He may...
have read it here.
Chacin’s spot in the Rockies rotation is usually the day before Ubaldos. So, unless someone is being skipped, looks as if it will be Chacin on Thursday.
by DisplacedCardsFan on Jul 6, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Well Espn.com and the cardinals website both have chacin not ubaldo pitching thursday
And I heard on the radio they were gona give ubaldo the xtra day of rest. They may have decided to change it back but espn n cardinals website don’t have ubaldo pitching vs. Us
by mick311 on Jul 6, 2010 3:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
the PD says the Rockies have adjusted their rotation
so Ubaldo will pitch Thursday – but I do see the other info – so who knows? – might be the Rocks want Ubaldo to pitch Thursday so he will be fresher to start the AS game
also just heard on a SC update the Reds are talking with Seattle about Lee
……I hope to god that doesn’t happen
by mick311 on Jul 6, 2010 12:06 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I really don't think the Reds have the right pieces to make the trade work
Alonso has done nothing to prove that he’ll hit at the ML level, and there aren’t any major league ready arms. Why not just hang on until Volquez comes back?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
I'm no expert on the Reds minor league system
so, seriously, what can they offer beter than ramos and hicks?
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
They do still have Chapman
If they are turned off by him for some ungodly reason, as well as Alonso, even though he isn’t hitting well, and Todd Frazier, a utility guy who has played all over the diamond, who has some serious power. These guys are all in the top 50 if I am reading Baseball America correctly.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
Oh yeah. That Chapman guy... forgot about him
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
It wouldn't be some ungodly reason to be turned off on Chapman
He has 1.5 pitches and doesn’t have big league control right now….walking >5 per 9 in AAA doesn’t usually lend itself to success in the big leagues. He might get it, he might not, but he definitely isn’t that special right now.
Not afraid to nitpick
It would be ungodly.
No team would give him good value back (Unless they were idiots, I suppose), since he is a bullpen arm at the moment, and he has a pretty big contract to go along with it. Why deal him for nothing that will be useful soon when you can at least gamble with the bad contract and hope he becomes what he was optimistically projected to be?
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
I don't actually think Chapman has much trade value right now
the Reds gave him a pretty huge deal for an international signing, and he has a couple of ugly player options that could really burn a team at the end of his deal if he can’t figure out a 3rd pitch and thus ends up an expensive bullpen arm.
I think a package round Alonso could get it done, but there are probably teams better placed than the Reds I’d have thought, and it really is a “win now” move when their best window is probably actually 2011-2012.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jul 6, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Have you seen what Alonso's done in the minor leagues?
I would have no desire for him
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Don't think a package around Alonso will get it done.
He hasn’t hit well enough to headline any package. He would go along with a guy like Frazier if I were to say anything. I mean, Texas can offer either Smoak or Davis, so I assume that the Mariners would prefer one of those 2 if they were looking for a 1b/DH, as well as better prospects.
But yeah, I expect him to end up a Ranger if i were to speculate.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
well, i think "package around" was a bit of a throwaway term
I meant with another decent prospect or two, yeah.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jul 6, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Mo speaks
will someone be voted off the island? Goold
“There are parts of the game that we usually think are guarantees that have not been our strengths this year. In the past, they have been. That’s something that at the midway point has to be addressed.”
“Addition. Subtraction,” Mozeliak concluded. “You never know.”
Meanwhile, as I suspected, Aaron Miles does have a function — he’s taken over in the department of talking Brendan Ryan off ledges. So there’s that.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
actually...
Biggest gains may be letting Miles go and bring up craig, trade Ryan to someone willing to give him a shot, let greene take over at SS.
We won't get anything for Ryan
I dunno why people think we can just dump our spare parts and garbage on people and get something functional in return. Our best course of action with Boog is just seeing if he can return to anything like his hitting form from last year.
FWIW I’m feeling disgustingly smug in my pre-season prediction that he wouldn’t hit for shit this year ;-).
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jul 6, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
He's really struggled, but his xBABIP is at .310 when he's sitting at like .250 right now
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
you made that prediction before the wrist surgery
you disgust me!
haha
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
i dunno
Because we got something for Duncan?
I said trade more to open up the roster spot. We can DFA him also.
we got a replacement-level stiff for duncan
who happened to have a good couple of months. I think ryan still has a shot at being above that level, if he gets a bit more lucky. He’s been replacement level this year and I don’t think he can possibly hit any worse. He’s also been better than Julio Lugo (can you believe?!).
On that point, what did we end up getting for Lugo, or do we not know yet?
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jul 6, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Great quote from Macha in there:
So when you have (Jaime) Garcia, Carpenter and (Adam) Wainwright and that catcher who throws everybody out, that’s a formidable setup right there.
“It doesn’t matter what he hits.”
Also, when did SBN change the way block quote works? There’s no end tag now.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Causing crazy crap like you see above.
apparentl you can’t add text after a block quote any more.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
hmm
it’s got one. might’ve gotten scooped up when you cut/paste.
end-tags are just the beginning tags with / after the first carrot.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
If I click block quote,
I only get one tag now, instaed of 2, which I would paste the quote material between. When I added a second tag before, it included an empty quote box inside the quote, same with strike and bold what is up? perhaps it’s just this crap IE* I have to use at work? It’s like I can’t close a tag (We all know where this can lead). I am confused.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
must be IE
I’m on FF
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I see this as a knock on Skip since his defense has not been good and we are historically a pretty good defensive team
makes our pitchers a lot better
*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 6, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I severely doubt Greene is better than Ryan
ZiPS even has Ryan projected the better hitter going forward…
Not afraid to nitpick
yeah, as much as I'm starting to eye trades for Boog
he has the greatest chance of being future mud in the eye. unless there is Something Else we don’t know about, he could turn it around in a matter of months.
and yes, I’m effing up my idioms.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
it would be great if Ryan would start hitting again
He doesn’t even need to hit that much with his defense to justify his playing time.
I'd even say
all he needs to do is stop making so many outs and get that OBP up.
Last year he posted a .292/.340/.400 line. The slugging is almost beside the point, I’d just love to see him get an OBP back in the mid-.300s. (So far this year he’s at .198/.267/.292, which is painful.)
And, it pains me to say it….but it’s not like he’s been playing lights-out defense this year, either. I like Ryan, I’d like to see him stick, but he needs to get something positive happening.
With Ryan, I would be thrilled with a .320 OBP, at this point.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jul 6, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
i'd say his true talent level might be in that range
.310-.320. He’s probably been a bit unlucky this year, too. That’s just the problem when your bat is crappy to start with – a few poor months plus some bad luck is all it takes to turn it an absolute anchor.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jul 6, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
His .230 BABIP is more than a little unlucky
If you compare to his career BABIP of .297…
Just give him average batted ball luck and assume all those extra hits are singles and his .198/.267/.292 becomes something like .265/.330/.360
which is to say, he’d still be having a poor offensive season, but it wouldn’t be horrible
(on the other hand, give Freese a .300 BABIP, and he’d be terrible)
I don't give a fuck who you confuse me with.
i agree
although your math is a bit wrong – you can’t just add the differential of his BABIP to his line, as only a certain number of his PAs end with a ball in play. Still, he’d be OBPing over .300, which would be fine, really.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jul 6, 2010 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions
i know - that's why i was simply estimating
it’d actually be quite a bit lower because if you combine his k’s, bb’s, hr’s etc. you probably get about 30% of his PAs. But I think my point still stands.
I don't give a fuck who you confuse me with.
Probably not that high
But he’s been above .345 in every season in the minors. He’s almost certainly not a true talent .300 BABIP guy and ZiPS has him for .336 going forward. The ZiPS .276 .336 .429 rest of season line seems about what we should be expecting from him.
Not afraid to nitpick
that's fair - i hadn't realized it was that high in the minors.
I don't give a fuck who you confuse me with.
BABIP in the minors is higher than in the majors
worse defense.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
Yep, and worse pitchers, BABIP needs to be MLE'd more than anything
But I think Freese’s power will get a lot better.
So it's around .330 we'll say
And then you add in the fact that he’s facing worse pitchers (who will allow a higher BABIP because they suck) and I doubt Freese projects for much higher than .310.
Unless he's got an unusual batted ball profile
(and I’d argue a swing mechanic that indicates that it’s a skill and not a fluke), why should we care what his career BABIP is? Base it off his batted ball profile and adjust for handedness and speed. Boom.
I don’t think that high BABIPs in minors means high BABIPs in the majors UNLESS there’s an underlying reason.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
or Stav :))
"They're so stunned they didn't even boo!"
John Rooney 5/3/10 referring to Philly fans on Cards 5-run 7th inning
doesn't greene have a lot more power than boog, though?
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
Yeah
But he also Ks a lot, and probably too much. He has more upside, but Greene isn’t very likely to be a godsend himself.
Not afraid to nitpick
i'm disappointed by Greene's D
Tyler qua Tyler. if he can show a little better consistency, he’d be like reverse-Boog. I wouldn’t mind that platoon.
(hey Latin geeks, should this agree? I want to make this quo instead of qua…)
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
sine qua whatever...
what exactly do you mean by Tyler qua Tyler? Tyler as Tyler?
Quo would make no sense there, for the record.
I don't give a fuck who you confuse me with.
that's it, thanks
I am never good with pronouns in other languages.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Tyler Greene has a rocket arm.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jul 6, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
rocket arm....
burning up the infield out there alone…
and i think its gonna be a long, long time
till the cards call me up again to find
i’m not the man they think i am in memphis
oh no no no
i’ve got a rocket arm….
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
by IHeartBoog on Jul 6, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
we neede Greene's head shopped in
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
oops...I guess that's what the preview button is for....this one...
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
Video evidence
of the Rocket Arm.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jul 6, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
With good reason.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jul 6, 2010 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions
would've got a rec
with a bit more Shatner.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jul 6, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree
*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 6, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
So
The Phillies may become sellers (Woo hoo?) if their record plummets any more, so I think we should discuss trading Skip Schumaker for Chase Utley….
Ahh, but seriously, they are really screwed at this point with all the injuries at the moment. I would think that they may make a few trades rather than blow it up, as they have the same damn team as the last 2 years (With better production at 3b and SP).
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
they have to keep the best team for that park
Least Likely To Tackle On-Field Runners
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Ahaha Indeed.
I would like to see Ryan Howard just trudge his way to a speedy fan running across the field.
A new gif would be created in roughly 26 seconds afterwards.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
BUT-- they an AS at 1B!!!!
/sarcasm.
"They're so stunned they didn't even boo!"
John Rooney 5/3/10 referring to Philly fans on Cards 5-run 7th inning
Okay, seriously
The Phillies are not going to become sellers.
Phillies’ records after 81 games:
2008: 43-38
2009: 43-38
2010: 43-38
The rest of the division is better, but the Phillies have to be okay with where they are given that they’re still very much in the middle of things, they’re dealing with some injuries, and they have a very talented roster.
Call Joe Morgan.
That’s some consistency.
I’m pretty sure in big situations, they’d walk him [Pujols] to get to Babe Ruth.-- Matt Holliday
by il rosso on Jul 6, 2010 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
The phillies?
they’re like 3 games back aren’t they?
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jul 6, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
4 behind
but I see your point I guess. I think that the Braves will acquire somebody decent for the outfield (Going with the last hurrah with Bobby Cox theme), and you have the think the Mets will at least try and acquire pieces. Maybe I overrate Utley’s importance and underrate every other Philly’s importance, but all the pieces they have lost and the pieces that have regressed (Ibanez) will really kill them in the long run.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
Mets making a play for Lee?
aka Timmeh at WWL. What chips do they have for Seattle?
"They're so stunned they didn't even boo!"
John Rooney 5/3/10 referring to Philly fans on Cards 5-run 7th inning
Wayyyyyyyyy OT and hopefully not considered spam:
But my friend (who has never been well off) entered a video contest with Brickfish to Winn (see what I did there?) a Dell computer. It’ll take 5 seconds to vote, which you can do here. It’s the last day, so I’m hoping we can make one final push.
You can view her entry here
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Thanks guys, I really appreciate it
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Yes...he's probably pitching on Saturday.
#@#%%#^@#$!!!!!
Have tickets to Saturday’s game and was wanting to see Wainwright.
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.
Heh. SBN ftw!
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.
Days numbered?
Is Soup DFA’d when Penny returns?
"They're so stunned they didn't even boo!"
John Rooney 5/3/10 referring to Philly fans on Cards 5-run 7th inning
The good news is that now only 1 of Suppan and Hawksworth will pitch in Colorado.
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.
yea but even though we get sup/hawk only once in colorado
We get them both vs. Hou. I was thinking it would make more sense to start hawk, sup, garcia vs. Col and then have carp, waino and hawk vs. Hou. Everyone pitches the same amount of times but everyone gets an xtra day of rest, which may really benefit carp, then we have waino n carp vs Hou which would make those both VERY winable games. Not to mention with waino goin saturday there would be the likelyhood he would not be availble for the ASG, whcih I think would be a good thing. Then carp n waino would still be OK to pitch the next weekend vs. LA. But regardless its not gona happen. But just b/c we aren’t goin hawk n sup to start the road trip doesn’t rly mean anything bc we were either gona see them both start the road trip or both end it.
by mick311 on Jul 6, 2010 3:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
yes, he is
*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 6, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Why can't we call up Craig yet?
Can we please move on from the Aaron Miles saga already?
If Ludwick is hurt, then let Craig come up here and bat and play right field for 15 days. Seems like common sense, but that’s why I don’t make the decisions…doing so would make too much sense.
no kidding
apparently tlr would rather have stavinoha, who had 15 seconds of fame, start ahead of craig. i’m starting to think that tlr is anti-craig.
With all the times Mo used Stavinoha in the lineup over Craig, you may be onto something there.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jul 6, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
when it came to
Starting games, or PH/double switches that would require a player to play in the field.
He used Stavinoha as a straight PHer most of the time until Craig was gone.
(minus one of those, the guy has to play sometimes start for Stavinoha)
You're right.
Craig started and Stavinoha was/is the PHer. Although, now Stavinoha is starting quite a bit, for some reason.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jul 6, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I was driving at the poor roster management in the wake of Ludwick's injury.
Stavinoha should not ever play the outfield because he can barely move.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jul 6, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes. Poor roster management
Why does the Cardinal Organization feel that the Cardinals are better off with Craig in AAA? Just a few possible reason listed in no order.
1.) They see Craig as a starting/platoon right field in near future in the event RFL is not resigned.
2.) They believe he will continue to rank in the Minors and may be able to trade him off.
3.) Something was discovered when he was up and he was sent back to work on it.
4.) They wanted to bring in someone who could play CF and Stavinoha got to stay up since he doesn’t have Options left.
5.) it was found swinging a cat around by it’s tail.
6.) Tony and Him didn’t get along at all.
Really as far as logical reason to have him up over Stavinoha is the options thing. They may feel that DFAing Stavinoha may lead to an issue in the depth. And the risk of the lost of depth is greater than the drop off of value between Craig vs Stavinoha in limited appearances.
Of course, we could just get rid of Miles and call it as wash.
Miles should be DFA'd
to Memphis, Springfield, Quad Cities (ahh, there we go, someplace where he can make a difference) He can either accept it or sit at home. Nobody else wants the fucking guy.
There’s no way that Mo is going to do that to a TLR favorite though, if the rest of our roster moves this season mean anything.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
not really
but given that when Craig was on the team Tony started him more than Stavionha I would say the evidence is incomplete at best on Tony being Anti-Craig.
Craig's fault
is that he’s a Proven Veteran … a Proven Memphis Veteran.
by Michael_68_1999 on Jul 6, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
he's been kidnapped!
*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 6, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
two questions:
1) have we called up anyone to replace ludwick’s spot yet?
2) how many more years do we have waino – locked through 2012? i wonder if we will be able to afford him after that.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
1) Yes. Jon Jay.
2) I believe 2012, maybe an option after that. The only person currently under contract for 2013 is Holliday I believe. So… Reply hazy, ask again later?
'12 and '13 are both options
but must be picked up at the same time
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
if I recall correctly
both option years vest if Waino ends up in the top 3 (??) in the Cy Young voting this year or next – it’s $9 m for 2012 and $12 m for 2013
yeah, it probably seemed like a lot at the time the deal was made, but if waino repeats his '09/'10 performance in 2011 and 2012, that option looks sweet.
i was just wondering if we are going to have pujols locked down before we have to decide about wainwright.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
in 2013 waino will be somewhat past his best, most likely
pitchers tend to peak in their late 20s and i think he’ll be 32. But yeah, if he’s healthy, that’s still a great price.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jul 6, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Isn't there a caveat where if he finishes in the
top 2 or 3 for Cy this year or next, that it is automatically picked up? I remember talking aboot this lasyt year when the Cy was given out.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
i can't imagine a situation where we wouldn't want to pick that up anyway
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
Your right,
and I’m going to drop the rest of my thoughts for fear of GOB tempting.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Chief Justice; Waino will be here for a few more seasons
*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 6, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
He's signed thru next year, with team options for 2012 and 2013 that will vest if he's in the top 5 of the Cy Young voting this season or next
So, barring a meltdown (or a fucking bunch of douchebag writers) he’ll be under contract thru 2013 after this season.
Per Cots.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
thanks. this is excellent news
I am glad the cards won’t have to decide wainwright prior to deciding pujols
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
So I have been thinking about this division race so far...
I don’t have the knowledge yet to look up the relevant statistics nor the time (I am at work) to validate what I have seen. However, it seems to me that the Reds have been playing above expectations and the Cardinals playing below expectations but they are only separated by a game in the loss column. Are my observations correct or am I just being an ignorant homer that is hoping for something that isn’t there?
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
I could have gone the BCB route and touted the "games in hand" that the Cardinals have
but I have a little bit more dignity than that
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 6, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
...
reds are 7-3 last 10 games. the reds (48-36) have an expected w-l of 47-37. cards (45-37) have EWL of 47-35. reds 7-3 in extra inning games, cards 2-4.
just some stats, find more here.
thanks
I guess that what I meant was along the lines of BABIP and the stuff that you really informed baseball stat guys know better than I do. The “don’t worry its not as bad as it seems” stuff that I learned about around august of last year.
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 6, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
i looked last night
and the reds are tied for first in BABIP and in the bottom 5 in FIP
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
Ok... thats what I was thinking
It seemed to me that they were outslugging their opponents in sort of an unsustainable way. If I have learned anything from this website though, it is it that in baseball perception is quite often not reality. I didn’t want to say something stupid without having the information to back it up and, as stated above, couldn’t really put forth the information i was seeking.
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 6, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
an interesting question would be
how many more times do we play them, and what are the two teams strength of schedules in the second half, shouldn’t be too hard to look up
*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 6, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Literal Blake Hawksworth watch
I was hoping that it was literally a timepiece you put on your wrist. Then, the figurative watch could’ve been the times that we watch Blake Hawksworth play baseball, and the Macro-Atmospheric (why not?) watch could be our perceptions of prospects who have similar attributes and trajectories.
"When all's been said and done, I can say that all has been said and done."
-Steve "Lips" Kudlow, of Anvil
by redbird brain on Jul 6, 2010 2:24 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Do we have any VEB watchmakers?
I want to see this happen, and I’m willing to put the full force of the Viva El Birdos Millions behind its construction.
Better get vexed or Cody on it for a preliminary sketch.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 6, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
A Hawkswatch you say?
Seriously, the mere fact that I could include a swatch logo made it worth it.
Here’s the Hawkswatch at 5:45 and 8:52
Note: Above comment may contain gratuitous amounts of sarcasm.
BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS
Hey Houston,
Suck it; you suck
by vexedtechie on Jul 6, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 19 recs
rec rec rec rec rec
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
I sincerely hope 1:10 doesn't exist.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 6, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I knew you were the man for the job.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 6, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions
So help me, I'll find a way.
If’n you’ve noticed, I haven’t been on here nearly as often….but my Photoshops are even fewer and further in between.
I have no choice but to try to make quality work now, heh.
Note: Above comment may contain gratuitous amounts of sarcasm.
BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS
Hey Houston,
Suck it; you suck
the problem with the blake hawksworth watch
it gains speed when you take it out of the bullpen.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jul 6, 2010 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Wouldn't that just mean you're ahead of schedule?
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 6, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions
that's what I thought it would be!
it would have to be a Canadian watch. a pocket watch. with a chain.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
it occurs to me that "Luck" and "Regression" are the themes of 2010 VEB baseball season
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
add some expletives, and you got it.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
that and dingers, more injuries, the return of crappy ex-Cardinals, and one professional hitter
and damn, Waino is having himself a fine season. and Skip, please improve on your baseball playing. you too, Lopex, I know you can do better than that crappy OBP
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 6, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
And the Sauce.
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.
HE'S CRAZY BEARS THE GLOVE KNOWS BEARS
SO THIRSTY
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 6, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's Y2S, just smile and nod.
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.
heyyyy, does no one read photo captions anymore?
besides, I didn’t start it. it was mojo.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
don't worry
usage of it’ll—uh—move back toward the place where it would normally be.
by DanUpBaby on Jul 6, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 13 recs
yeah, i agree. that's what i meant. regression and luck are on repeat around here
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
I try to mix in an "even out" now and again.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jul 6, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
i think using "SSS" as a standalone statement
is a lot worse
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
it's not using the acronym that bothers me
it’s just jumping into a conversation, saying “SSS” and then assuming your job is done. say something else!
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
I mean I like the simplicity of that
Some jackass says Skip should start against Parra because he’s hit better against lefties this year, so SSS.
i think it's just
the number of people who inappropriately useit in what seems to be a concerted effort to miss the point and then claim that “u got pwned”
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
Agreed
And a lot of times it’s not used properly either. For example, when we’re talking about how someone has performed over the last two weeks and how much their performance has helped the ballclub, then someone comes in and says “SSS!!!”, when clearly nobody was trying to predict anything based on that performance.
Ex.
VEB: “Matt Holliday really helped the Cardinals down the stretch last year. I’m glad we acquired him”
Person who doesn’t know what SSS means: “SSS!!!”
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Well, quite often that's all that needs to be said
Like viva said, if somebody says “Miles is 3-5 off Dick Smack, so I have no problem with him playing. In fact he should play…” then their position is based on a small sample size, and that is the major flaw of their argument. So, if you say “SSS” that covers it instead of having to review for the ten-billionth time what a sample size is… I mean everyone who comes to this site has some notion of statistics from school or from looking at baseball stats, right?
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by redbirdnation8206 on Jul 6, 2010 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions
not gonna lie
i want dick smack on the cardinals….
Rasmus can hit lefties
cardinalred
St. Louis Sports blog
it was shitty but it wasn't thurstonian....
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
sooooooooooo I was listening to Goold on the radio, and he said "the jury's still out" on Chris Carpenter
and the “non-injury”. No curveball command.
Goold figures they just have to ask him about it today, again, and imagines that Carp will not be happy to hear those questions.
then I pulled the car over on account of feeling sick to my stomach.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I hope they don't even pitch him in the All Star Game
shoulda been Garcia anyway
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 6, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope he pulls out and they replace him with one of the Reds.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jul 6, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
twss
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
ot: gooooooaaaaaaalllll
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
ot: That was a sweet fucking goal
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Giovanni Van Bronckhorst
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.
That's a name
Italian first name, and a Dutch prefix to what could be a German or Austrian last name.
And he’s of Indonesian descent.
by Michael_68_1999 on Jul 6, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
to be fair it's much more likely to be a dutch last name.
I don't give a fuck who you confuse me with.
another very strong long strike for the goal!
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
ot: gooooooaaaaaaalllll
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
ot: gooooooaaaaaaalllll
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
You mean...
Vangoooooaaaaallllll
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.
classy, uruguay.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
awesome news
Baseball-Reference has begun to add Japanese stats (2007-2009 right now) to its minor league section.
Yu Darvish; Norichika Aoki, my favorite pseudo-Ichiro.
Yu Darvish!!
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I will never buy into another NPB pitcher again
Matsuzaka had 6 plus pitches when in reality he had a flat FB he likes to nibble with, a decent cutter, a loopy slider, a crappy curve, and a change/split he can’t control.
Not afraid to nitpick
The Gyroball?
He only uses that pitch at the very end of the episode as a killing blow to whatever giant monster is threatening to demolish Neo-Tokyo this week.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Jul 6, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
i miss centiquid.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
heh
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 6, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
He looks like Frank Mir in this pic
maybe it’s the affliction shirt
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
Ouch
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 6, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions
i'm not sure i have much faith in the red sox pitching coaches
other than “acquire rilly good pitchers, kay”
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I do
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 6, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
not really
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 6, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
no personal catchers
10@10 continued:
…LaRue has yet to catch Adam Wainwright, Jaime Garcia or Chris Carpenter this season. Molina has caught all 342 1/3 innings pitched by the Cardinals Big 3. Put another way, the Cardinals Gold Glove catcher has been behind the plate for all 5,201 pitches thrown by those three pitchers this season.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
i can't imagine wainwright pitching to anyone else.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
OT question...
Is it wierd for a 27 year old to really like the band Steely Dan?
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
I don't think so
when I was around 23 I would play some of their songs on the jukebox at my favorite bar… but yeah, they’ve never really been my favorite band or anything
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 6, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
hmmm...
good to know. thanks!
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 6, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
dang it
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 6, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
so you think it's weird
or you think it should be my favorite band?
*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 6, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
A little of A, little of B.
/I’m just pot stirring FWIW.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
it makes the man stew better
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 6, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
What year was this?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jul 6, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I like the songs I can actually remember from my childhood
especially reeling in the years, of course. or whatever that is called. they are a pretty big band though so anyone liking them is not very weird to me. if you actually like a band a lot that I’ve never heard of though, that would be weird to me
*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 6, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
reelin in the years
always makes me think of the movie ‘for love of the game’. i’m actually playing that song on itunes right now thanks to you.
I had several older sisters that played that song a lot
I think they even did an acoustic version of it on our sun porch one year, they had great voices and cool acoustic guitars and stuff. my sisters are from 10 – 20 years older than I am
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 6, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
the first few albums are the best IMO
some of the later stuff got a little too jazzy for my taste. Reelin’ in the Years is on the first album (Can’t buy a Thrill).I do have to say that after listening for a while, Donald Fagan’s voice can get kinda grating (my wife can’t stand his singing at all). As a guitar player, there’s a lot to like about their music.
youneverknow
they've made some great music
so what’s not to like? Who cares how old you are? Good music is good music.
youneverknow
steely dan? hippies?
never thought of them as such
*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 6, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
quite the opposite i would say
they are more weird than hippies
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 6, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
they are basically studio musicians
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 6, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
that's because they are all, uh how do i put this...
as handsome as Willie McGee
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
haha
Donald Fagan looks like a registered sex offender…
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 6, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
they all do!
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
there's really ony 2 of them
Fagan and Becker, and your right, they are extremely creepy looking.
youneverknow
Steely dan isn't a person?
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
nope
to quote Wikipedia: "Fagen and Becker named the band after “Steely Dan III from Yokohama,” a strap-on dildo referred to in the William S. Burroughs novel The Naked Lunch".
Gives even more credence to the whole sex offender theory!
youneverknow
beat me to it
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 6, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
nope
its the name of the band… and the band was actually named after a (not sure how to abbreviate this for family viewing) “female pleasure device”
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 6, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
haha
i meant within the bounds of good taste
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 6, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Obscure Floyd reference.
nicely done.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 6, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Check out all these guys in the band
also, BILL COSBY IS A PIMP!
youtube link
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
can't do youtube at work
…but Steely Dan has pretty much always been two guys (Donald Fagan & Walter Beecker) and about a zillion really amazing studio musicians. They definitely tour w/ a full band, but other than Fagan & Becker, they’re all hired guns.
youneverknow
Coming from a 21 year old that went to a Steve Miller Band concert last weekend
No, it’s not weird
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
i'm a big smb fan
i remember listening to that stuff when i was a kid. still listen to them every now & then. funny thing is, the college that i’m going to sponsored a smb/frampton concert in my area.
my dad won tickets to see him back in the 90s at the assembly hall
I was like 12 i think… i just remember thinking that he would be a long tall cowboy… but from our vantage point he was a short fat cowboy
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 6, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
that's sweet
I was really impressed by how Steve’s still got the voice all these years later. He can still hit almost all of the high notes in his songs. Most singers his age have to play in a different key or drop an octave. He played for 2.5 hrs straight, the rest of the band took a 30 min break but he stayed out and played acoustically. Awesome show.
http://twitpic.com/22844i
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
Would've loved to have gone to that.
Frampton Comes Alive was the first album I owned. I got it as a B’day present from one of my brothers( I suspect so that he could listen to it too) when I was 7-8.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 6, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I've always liked them myself
so I’ll say “no, it’s not weird”
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 6, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
nope, not weird at all
SD are polarizing, people tend to either love them or hate them. Generally even the people that despise them will acknowledge that those guys sure know what they’re doing. Personally I like them, but they’re not in heavy rotation at my place….
Breaking down their chords and arrangements is a good way to learn songwriting, cause that’s really their strength. It helps to be conversant in jazz already.
I took a master class w/ Peter Erskine once, and he said on tour with SD, they had him count the songs off with a metronome. Out of curiosity one night, P.E. decided to start one at 119 instead of 120 to see if Fagen & Becker would notice. They did, and told him not to do that again.
I've always been a fan of Larry Carlton.
I liked his guitar work even before I knew who it was that was playing it. I’ve got much older brothers and started at an early age.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 6, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
AHEM! We Interrupt this Cardinals Baseball Website for the Following Annoucement:
As a cow, I am required by the FCC to say Moo.
That is all.
:=8)
We now return you to your regularly scheduled gab-fest…
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
Hmmmm.....
what u do behind closed doors with an-udder male is yer own business…
;=8)
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
why is this trivia?
team tweets need to step it up.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
they should have just said
“What former Cardinal did the coolest thing ever in the May 6, 2008 game at Coors Field?”
and Troy Glaus just stood there and sold it. twice.
if only we had third basemen as tall.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
they showed that on wwl the other day
in the sportscenter intro and i was wondering WTF it was. now i know the answer.
Fun stat of the day
The Cardinals as a team have the third-highest LD% in the majors at 20%.
(We are 18th in BABIP, though I haven’t dug deep to explore why such things may be the case.)
so if i look up BABIP
what should i reference it to? i.e. Somebody earlier said that the Reds were first in that category… I know that we talk about luck and how a team (or a player) hitting above or below a certain value can be considered lucky or unlucky, but what is the dividing line? Should I compare it to league average? Or is it like batting averages where .300 seems to be the mark where you want to be at or above to be considered a very good hitter?
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 6, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
As a general rule,
I think .300 as average works for BABIP. But, you need to look at LD, GB, and FB rates for context. A player who consistently hits a lot of LDs will likely have a higher BABIP year in and year out than a fellow who does not.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jul 6, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Rasmus is a starting all-star pick
by Verducci
at least somebody likes raz
and how cards fans couldn’t vote more for him, aside from us here, is beyond me. he has similar stats to what he had all of last year.
and he's a better pick than omar infante
who isn’t even close to deserving a spot. don’t know what manuel was thinking.
He's versatile!
He can be mediocre at several positions!
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.
Aaron Miles is versatile too
…in that he’s willing to stand at several different positions and pretend he’s a good ML player. That’s versatility, right?
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by redbirdnation8206 on Jul 6, 2010 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I heard a rumor from a guy who saw a fax of a post-it note that Miles was second behind Infante for the spot.
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.
Here's an idea.
Jayson Stark tweets that All-Star Managers Joe Girardi and Charlie Manuel were told to pick one “multi-position” player to their teams, which explains, if not excuses, the ludicrous selections of Omar Infante of Atlanta and Ty Wigginton of Baltimore.
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.
selig probably
the same guy who ruined the asg by calling a tie in 02 and having the winner of the asg AL have homefield in the world series
f'n selig
Cardinals Baseball 2010: Why have only one 25th man when you can have four?
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Jul 6, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
That doesn't excuse those picks
There are other multi position players who deserved to be in the All-Star game a whole lot more than those guys, and that’s excluding the fact that most SS can probably handle any other position on the field except catcher for a couple of innings. Shit, Kyle Lohse played LF for an inning for fuck’s sake! Given that re-entry is now allowed, why would you even NEED a multi position player?
If I were the two managers, I’d have told Selig to fuck off with that nonsense. You’re the one who made this thing “count”, so we’ll put whoever we think is going to help us win the game on our roster. You voided all rights to roster selection when you decided this game needed to mean something instead of just being a fan-friendly exhibition.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
What irritates me
is that there has been absolutely NO internal push for him. I mean, I DESPISE the All-Star Game, but dudes get bonuses and junk for appearing, plus it’s a cool honor, so I wish he would’ve made it.
There have been mass email blasts, ads on the mothership, audio/video ads at the games imploring fans to vote for Molina and Holliday because the voting was just “so close.” Yet unless I just completely missed it, they have made absolutely ZERO effort to pimp Colby to the fans/masses.
And that’s just completely unacceptable, given his performance and future with this team. Hell, he’s put up the numbers you see (enough to get a nod from an SI writer) and he’s done it in a ridiculously lower number of PAs than many other NL CFers.
I would think that oversights like this are something that could really rub a guy the wrong way.
Colby's pretty much a guaranteed super2 right?
oooo conspiracy theory:
TLR/Mo plotted to sit Colby against any and left handed starters so he doesn’t acquire super2 status, while simultaneously avoiding any potential MLBPA pushback, so as to get a free year out of him.
It suddenly makes so much sense!
/NFL’d
I feel it's because of the casual fans
Who might not know the game that well, might look at Rasmus on TV and think he doesn’t try hard enough because they’re used to seeing Jim Edmonds leaping at half the fly balls. They also are the ones that think broadcasters are the most intelligent baseball minds – why else would Ricky Horton have a job? And they also probably assume that because he doesn’t play all the time he might not be that good, etc. Stuff like that.
I don’t get it either.
And Al
Is constantly pimping for a return of Jim Edmonds and likes to harp on any Rasmus mistake. And to be clear, Rasmus isn’t flawless out there obviously. It just seems his flaws are magnified on the air where other players are glossed over.
by Merry CRasmus on Jul 6, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
i think other players flaws are magnified here
while Rasmus’s are glossed over.
Anyway, Maybe Rasmus should start texting Al while he is in the booth. Then Al will stop talking about Edmonds.
Possibly so
Rasmus is a superior AS candidate than Holliday and Molina this year to name 2. Is that arguable? I mean it happens all the time to younger guys, and I really don’t even like the AS game. So it isn’t a big deal to me. Rasmus isn’t on the top of the list of people that deserved to be in either.
I get the real sense that our broadcasters, and many fans, don’t get an appropriate sense of how good a year he is having. That’s a little more annoying. Some of this AS stuff just helps illustrate it. For example, Yadi is having a pretty rough year but that doesn’t stop an obvious push to get the fans to vote for him. That’s a contrast to how Rasmus is presented to us.
by Merry CRasmus on Jul 6, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions
The Mad Hungarian
has been disproportionately harsh on Rasmus from the beginning and I just don’t get it. I remember one game last year when Rasmus hit a double and Al said the problem with Rasmus getting a double there is now the other team is going to walk Albert.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jul 6, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions
You just can't please a curmudgeon
unless you fail.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 6, 2010 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions
actually not this year
Al actually commented on there being a lack of ASG publicity for the other players, including Rasmus.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Doesn't play all the time...
I mean, he sits every now and then, but he has the 5th most PAs on the team, and the only reason he is behind skip is because skip normally bats leadoff while he hits in an RBI spot.
this.
they botched it totally by only pushing for the guys who were already leading.
what kind of damn fool plan is that? we’re gonna rely on ballot-stuffing cubs fans and phans to determine who should get a big push?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
its because casual fans that aren't that familar with numbers such as my dad don't think he is
for instance, my dad pointed at carlos gonzalez numbers as an example and said he had a better average and wayyy more RBIs with 52….(i said he had a way higher OBP and slugging – he said i was just picking statistics that favor colby – how can i argue with this)
and he said colby doesn’t hustle… i don’t get it, ive never gotten that impression and his defense is a liablity… he said that bernie says it too… thanks bernie!
oh well, national media seems to be leaning towards colby more and more
Rasmus can hit lefties
cardinalred
St. Louis Sports blog
When talking about OBP, talk about outs.
Ask your dad if he would want a player on his team who makes less outs than another player. I assume he would. That’s why a higher OBP is better than a higher BA (with a lower OBP), because that player makes less outs, which means he gives his club more of a chance to score runs.
Also, for slugging, OBP, and OPS, compare Colby to Pujols. Don’t forget that Colby leads center fielders in homers (or, he did before the holiday weekend…)
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jul 6, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
good tip
comparing him to pujols is a genius idea actually because then he may be able to grasp it of course
then again he’ll just point to how pujols is having a down year (im sure he can at least understand how comparing to pujols in some way, shape, or form is magnificient however)
Rasmus can hit lefties
cardinalred
St. Louis Sports blog
Who would have thought that the top HR hitting CF at the ASB
would be Colby Rasmus and Vernon Wells. What were the odds of that on March 15th, like 2500 to 1?
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
So just got done with intern luncheon with Chuck Armstrong
…He realllllllllllllllllllllly hates Erik Bedard
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
oh...so you didn't ask him to lunch?
It was an intern lunch….hmmm.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I asked Jeff Kingston to lunch goddammit
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Well, he was talking about how the head of HR here had 5 surgeries
So I joked, “Oh, so like Bedard, then!”
To which he replied, “Yeah, but the difference is, she actually needed her surgeries”
This on top of an employee meeting where he says that Bedard calls himself a pussy that Armstrong jokes with him about his “pussitis”
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
by mysterui on Jul 6, 2010 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
cards lineup
lopez 3B
rasmus CF
pujols 1B
holliday LF
stavinoha RF
molina C
greene SS
hawksworth P
miles 2B
Fucking Miles
....my quick smells like french toast...
Twitter: @mstreeter06
by mstreeter06 on Jul 6, 2010 5:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i blame you.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 6, 2010 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions
nope.
he needs more of your tender loving care.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 6, 2010 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions
i like this idea.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 6, 2010 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Dearest Boog,
My heart yearns for your endless range and powerful (accurate) throws. I daydream longingly for those beloved games of yesterseason, when you were bursting with base hits and defensive gems.
Alas, it seems those days are behind us now. But fret not, young love, for I have not given up hope.
One day, you, me, and your batting average will be together again and that day will be glorious. Until then, sweet angel, get your head in the game and stop fucking up.
Forever Yours,
IHeartBoog
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
by IHeartBoog on Jul 6, 2010 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions 12 recs
the "stop fucking up" part is a bit harsh
but everything else is good!
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 6, 2010 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions
No, no, I disagree.
I think it sets the perfect tone. Great, great love letter, IHB.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jul 6, 2010 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I LOLed in Starbucks when I read that part
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
Think I'd rather have Winn in, instead of the Infection.
Stav hasn’t had an xbh since June 16th, and he hasn’t gone yard since May 3. Interestingly, that was the same date as Winn’s only homer this year. But Randy can at least steal a base on occasion.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jul 6, 2010 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd rather have The Chief
"They're so stunned they didn't even boo!"
John Rooney 5/3/10 referring to Philly fans on Cards 5-run 7th inning
Looks like I'm mowing the lawn tonight,
after all.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
come on....damnit i am so sick of stavinoha hitting 5th and Miles taking up ABs on this team.
It seems like schumaker hasn’t been getting very much playing time lately.
by mick311 on Jul 6, 2010 5:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
who else should be batting 5th, with the roster as it currently stands?
i dont like it either, but you want molina or greene batting 5th? we’re really low on options here. the only thing that might have been better would be to have greene at the top of the lineup and bat colby 5th.
I maybe would have done it this way:
greene
lopez
pujols
holliday
rasmus
stav
molina
GAW STAB
schumaker
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
shit, i forgot that jay got called up
i retract my previous statement. Jay should be starting, maybe batting 2d?
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
That's what I would have done.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jul 6, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah
lopex jay apu holliday cobly greene molina hawk schu
that is putting our best lineup out there, actually.
surprised that schu is losing playing time, considering his bat has started to come around.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
Miles's grit trumps Schu's grit, it would seem.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jul 6, 2010 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Miles right hand
trumps schu’s left hand. Still, skippy has been alright against lefties and skip’s alright is better than Mile’s great.
yes i would like that better
But the bottom line is Stav shouldn’t be on the team, craig should n he could be batting 5th. But Stavinoha is so bad, he does NOT need to be batting 5th. He has fucking 7 rbis this year. I’d rather much rather have schumaker in instead of Miles and do it ur way, greene has nice speed n could be ok leadoff or hitting 2nd. If Tony hits b.ryan leadoff he can hit greene leadoff or even schu vs a lefty.
by mick311 on Jul 6, 2010 6:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Greene should not be leading off
He’s probably a 50-50 proposition to have a .300 OBP
Not afraid to nitpick
Do you think anyone would notice...
…if those 5-9 guys just went up the plate in a random order? Or if someone snuck a tee out there for them to hit off? Miles would probably still hit a weak groundball somewhere and Tyler Greene has about a 50-50 shot of missing entirely.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Jul 6, 2010 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions
i cannot think of a worse 5-9 for the lineup
That’s 4 guys in the lineup that have no business even picking up a bat…..half the lineup
by mick311 on Jul 6, 2010 5:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Stavinoha *and* Miles.
Wow. Just wow. No wonder TLR is the second most losingest manager in the history of baseball. And the guy he trails owned the team…
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jul 6, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Yes
this should be an automatic response every time anyone says you can’t question TLR because of all those wins. By the time he passes McGraw in wins he will have approximately 400 more losses
Carry the battle to them. Don't let them bring it to you. Put them on the defensive and don't ever apologize for anything.
He's a lock to win it.
/nobodywillbeonbase
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.
by TBender on Jul 6, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions 18 recs
So would I.
Unfortunately we’re going to have to settle for 1 each.
by Cardfanintherock on Jul 6, 2010 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
somebody find out if Vegas is taking book
on this
"They're so stunned they didn't even boo!"
John Rooney 5/3/10 referring to Philly fans on Cards 5-run 7th inning
When the hell did they rename it the "Hard-Hit Grounder to Third Derby"?
by craig3410 on Jul 6, 2010 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Skip would EASILY win the "Roll Over on a Pitch to 2B Derby
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Holliday swings at every single pitch he sees in that thing
Book it.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Jul 6, 2010 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions
You've confused him with Yadi
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.
interesting
while browsing who would be in the home run derby, i found an interesting stat: the cards lead all teams with the most home runs (95), baltimore is 2nd with 92.
doesn't MIL have 100+?
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
nevermind...
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
Pujols leads the pack
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
13 participants...
only two ever hit more than 2 homers: Albert Pujols and Big Mac. Thanks for showing up, Ray Lankford and Jack Clark!
And can we just say that SOMETHING is different about the baseball and the park sizes since 1990? I mean, look at that totals in the 80’s for Pete’s sake! Wally fucking Joyner won a HR Derby. WALLY JOYNER! WITH A TOTAL OF 4 DINGERS!!!
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
slightly ot: HRD
traditionally players fall off after being in the derby. can we have an all cincinnati reds home run derby?
uh oh..
dgoold
Penny shutdown his sim game. On the way to stl for recheck with docs after renewed soreness. #stlcards
No no, it's a joke
Because it’s April 1st, you see
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
at what point is it time to concede it and shut 'em down for the year?
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 6, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions
We only have him for this year, right? So probably never...
I don't give a fuck who you confuse me with.
yeah, i thought of that right after i hit "post"
guess we’ll do anything and everything to get his ass back on the mound this year considering it’s a one year deal. then again, if we shut ‘em down we can probably have him for really cheap next year. whether we’d want him back or not is a different question.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 6, 2010 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions
odds on seeing dontrelle willis on the roster within the week?
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
la russa's going to frame this as a direct challenge to duncan to make it happen
“I can make anyone boring and effective, Tony, you hear? Bring him in here. Tell him to lose the leg kick and the cool hat.”
oh my god. ...r u kidding me?
That is horrible…..just awful. We need him back so bad. I doubt we give up on him but I would assume now that it would just be a bonus to get him back. I don’t see us making the playoffs with hawk and suppan in the rotation, I guess the one upside would be a trade may be coming. Mozeliak has said over and over a trade for a pitcher would depend on if penny had another set back or not. I guess its too early to really say b/c there is no telling how big of a setback it is going to be but maybe we trade for a westbrooke n then get penny back in a month or so.
by mick311 on Jul 6, 2010 6:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
tonight's the night of good news
first the lineup, then holliday in the homer derby, now this. yippee!
Fool me once, shame on you
Fool me for the 13 billionth time about a rehabbing player’s ETA and I will burn Busch Stadium to the ground.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
Nope.
You? I see you ran an “excruciating 5k” over the weekend.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
I'm guessing that the VEB community might be willing to kick in some cash
to pay for the entry fee. Say $5 a person or something and use Paypal to accept donations.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
flagged due to extreme anger
"The outfield is deep and playing him straight-away, and the infield is the same, except first, second, third, and short are playing him to pull."
-Mike Shannon
Oh for Pete's sakes
Maybe TLR will push for the organization to sign Woody Williams next. Matt Morris may be available. What about Todd Stottlemyre… surely he’d be willing to pitch for the Cardinals. Andy Benes, come on down! Hey, maybe Storm Davis is looking for a new opportunity!
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by redbirdnation8206 on Jul 6, 2010 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Woody is quite happy down here coaching Fort Bend Baptist Academy.
So he’s out. Lamar Hoyt, however, is available.
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.
okay so my friend who works for the Mariners's PR, has this facebook status:
BIG BIG BIG BIG BIG Day!
mysterui, any thoughts?
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
yea Mozeliak panics cuz of Pennys setback
And after hours of debate convinces Tony to part with his two most beloved players: Cardinals send Stavinoha and Miles for Cliff Lee
by mick311 on Jul 6, 2010 6:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
the mariners want Major League ready prospects
Stavinoha and Miles have recent Major and Minor League experience. Jackpot!
That would be most excellent
Dave Cameron (not the Prime Minister one) may still launch some defense of Jack Z and call the M’s the 6th best org. in baseball. Because a bright GM and a decent defense and no farm system and now offensive punch make the 6th best org. in baseball, afterall.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Jul 6, 2010 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions
No internal email yet, and Chuck didn't say anything at the luncheon this morning
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
If you don't mind me asking, what's her name?
I may or may not know her
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
i emailed you.
didn’t know if she would really want me putting her name on some blog.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
Flim.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
by RiverRat on Jul 6, 2010 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
rockies lineup
fowler CF
herrera 2B
gonzalez LF
giambi 1B
olivo C
smith RF
stewart 3B
barmes SS
francis P
Beware the Fowler
He’s reached base in approximately 100% of his plate appearances since being recalled from the minors. Dude is en fuego.
I am so glad to see Greene in the lineup
maybe I will watch this game, afterall!
I am pleasantly pleased, thankyouverymuch
you just tried telling me on twitter
that you wouldn’t. i’m surprised you’re willing to watch the game despite miles & stav both being in the lineup.
I have changed my mind ( for now)
I have an irrational love of Tyler Greene
I am pleasantly pleased, thankyouverymuch
Knowing your track record, zoomzoom
He’s already on a flight to Denver and will pinch hit for us in the 7th tonight
How about this series of events?
zz: “That’s a winner!!”
Matt Holliday takes one off the junk
Dodgers win on walkoff single by Mark Loretta (?…some fucking old dude)
SCENE
i hope not
"The outfield is deep and playing him straight-away, and the infield is the same, except first, second, third, and short are playing him to pull."
-Mike Shannon
christ
i go away for a week and i come back with tea greene and miles and stav starting and penny shut down? thanks cards
"The outfield is deep and playing him straight-away, and the infield is the same, except first, second, third, and short are playing him to pull."
-Mike Shannon
When you are talking to an audience of 12,
you can say whatever you want.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
by azruavatar on Jul 6, 2010 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.
Notice the double entendre there
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Hmmmmmm
You can kiss 7 of his homers good bye — there’s no way he’s hitting an opposite field or straight away CF homer in that ballpark. Ever.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
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by mojowo11 on Jul 6, 2010 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
this doesn't really makes sense
but i lol’d at the last line
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
after 4 minutes of usage
i can confidently say it is better than your silly little mac thing that i’ve never used before
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Jul 6, 2010 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
it seemed to load this thread
quite a bit faster than 3.7 or whatever the most recent stable release is
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
Yeah it did!
Quite impressive,
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
will your menau bar
for windows (mine’s on auto hide) pull up with the window open?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
i don't really know what you're asking
hit alt and see if that’s what you mean
if so, you can go to view and toolbars and then…oh, menu bar
so, yes
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
with the start button, and launch buttons.
I have to minimize ff to get it to show. It will unhide with IE open, but not FF.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
yeah,
i tried it and it didn’t come up. might use the feedback button. probably just an oversight
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
cool...just wanted to make sure it wasn't just me.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
i would like to see the data you used to reach this conclusion
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
Dartboard?
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by redbirdnation8206 on Jul 6, 2010 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
eh,
i have a hard time determining if this is just a cognitive bias, a string of bad luck or the fact that a wildly rich corporation hired a crew of quack doctors to tend to the health of the company’s biggest assets
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
it probably happens everywhere to a degree
but there is nothing quite as certain as an injured cardinal having a setback, or an injured cardinal going on the dl 2 weeks too late, it’s become comical
like colby's injury a month or so ago?
or matt’s strained lat in ST?
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
jesus,
now it looks like youkillis (spelling, whatever) is injured. that’s like all of their starters
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
really?
It’s tough for me to feel sorry for the Sox though.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
same
but it’s just bizarre how he got injured. just stepping into the box and getting his feet set and all of a sudden he’s out
then shots of pedroia and what’s-his-name on crutches next to broken thumb v-mart
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
Well...they are everywhere.
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.
I believe they currently have
Drew
Cameron
Beltre
Papi
Scutaro
…those are their only starters playing at the moment.
And I’m not actually sure if Cameron is 100% or not.
Irony?
Drew is the healthy one.
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.
by TBender on Jul 6, 2010 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
that's kind of what i was thinking
but he has been injured this year
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
at least drew and cameron from that list
have been injured
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
damn it penny
so i guess that this is what injury prone means huh?
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
yeah...
but it is still frustrating :|
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 6, 2010 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmmm, any gamethread by chance?
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
I'm not too thrilled that Penny is still injured
blargh!
*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 6, 2010 11:41 PM EDT reply actions
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