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ST. LOUIS - JULY 2: Albert Pujols #5 of the St. Louis Cardinals reacts to striking out against the Milwaukee Brewers at Busch Stadium on July 2 2010 in St. Louis Missouri.  The Cardinals beat the Brewers 5-0.  (Photo by Dilip Vishwanat/Getty Images)

 

as we approach 81 games, the midpoint of the season, fatigue sets in. we're not so close to the post-season that a close division race carries much excitement -- more annoyance that we can't seem to pull away. we're not still in the throes of early season passion, when we are excited about everything. by now, we've seen enough depressing losses to grow a little cynical about the team's trajectory, even if it remains favorable.  we've also gotten to the point where players are getting worn down and tweaks are getting the best of some of them.

a lot of changes are taking place with the team right now. salas traded places with tyler greene yesterday, with ryan ludwick soon to hit the DL. find the logic here: our right-fielder got injured so we moved a pitcher to make way for a backup shortstop.  

clearly, we now have a glut of middle infielders whose hitting is at least dubious – greene, miles, ryan, schumaker, even felipe lopez, who is probably the best of the bunch, but whose offense has slacked off. other than felipe, tyler greene is the only one who shows any hint of power – highlighted by knocking a HR off milwaukee last night. greene's power demonstrations have been infrequent in his major league appearances. hopefully, he is able to put it together this time.

let’s take one moment to appreciate what salas has done so far this season (tRA 3.56, K rate 14.6%, BB rate 3.6%, StatCorner FIP - 4.30). despite the fact that fangraphs has no respect for him,  and while he’s been short on playing time, he’s been remarkable in the appearances they’ve given him. he seems like real major league talent. why the team would bump him off the roster – other than the simple fact that he’s not ready to pitch today – rather than someone else is not clear to me. salas has earned an extended look at the majors. hopefully, he and sanchez (cumulative 9.00 k/9 in AA and AAA, 2.70 BB/9, 3.31 FIP) get a good look from the team later this season. they’re ready, and probably better than much of our right-handed relief right now.   

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the most important question, though, is what happens to ludwick’s slot. ludwick has had a tremendous season so far, rewarding those who thought his true talent lay somewhere between an MVP-level 2008 and a sub-par 2009. alternately running randy winn and nick stavinoha out as starting RF seems like a good way to get people to turn off their TVs. skip schumaker was somewhat better defensively as a corner outfielder than a 2B, but if his bat is barely playing at 2B, it has no business in RF.

the two options that seem to be seriously discussed as call-ups are allen craig (AAA OPA .866) or jon jay (AAA OPS .885). either would be plausible.  i would probably lean more towards craig as a matter of personal predilection, but jay seems to have made some impression on tony. if the difference is between jay  getting 5 starts and 25 PAs in the next week to ten days and allen craig getting 1 start and 10 PAs, i’d take jay.

this is a trick question, of course. the right answer is "release one of nick stavinoha and randy winn and play both craig and jay."

i should acknowledge the outside chance that the club pulls another winn and snatches some aging player off the waiver wire or trades a low-level prospect for a gabe gross or someone of that sort. 

me, i can’t wait till brad penny comes off the DL. while it’s always dangerous to hope regarding pitcher health, i can’t help but get a warm feeling inside when i hear he’ll be pitching to live batters soon.  our current rotation, 60% of the time, it works all the time. plus, it has real wainwright in it.

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the right field situation frustrates me

if stavinoha has to remain on the roster, he should absolutely still be the third option for right field. and if he is starting, he should NOT be hitting fifth and he should ABSOLUTELY NOT be hitting fifth ahead of colby. both jay and winn offer things that stavinoha don’t. jay has actually shown ability to swing at pitches in the strike zone and has the benefit of being young and has potential. winn has managed to not be a black hole on offense while having a plus glove in the outfield (monday’s gaffe notwithstanding). both of these are things stavinoha doesn’t offer, and therefore he playing time should not be increased substantially like it has the past week.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 3, 2010 1:03 PM EDT reply actions  

I was taking some consolation

from my belief that an extended exposure in RF would drive Fat Miles numbers into the toilet so it would be easier to get rid of him. Unfortunately, he has been just mediocre enough for TLR to cling to his gritlove so that his role will only be enhanced. When TLR believes in you a .558 OPS (since he has been a quasi-regular) just isn’t bad enough to bring him to his senses.

The LaRussa tax continues to grow.

Carry the battle to them. Don't let them bring it to you. Put them on the defensive and don't ever apologize for anything.

by giveml on Jul 3, 2010 1:14 PM EDT reply actions  

where are you getting his .558 OPS?

April: 13 ABs, .846 OPS
May: 31 ABs, .756 OPS
July: 25 ABs, .601 OPS

Last 7 days: 17 ABs: .663 OPS

Fact is, Stavinoha hasn’t hurt the team has as a PH, or an emergency sub. When Craig was up he seen more starts than Stavinoha, when Jay was up he seen more starts than Stavinoha. I’d expect that to continue once someone is brought up.

by Evilfrog on Jul 3, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Since 6/22

when he began starting almost every day. Now at .481

He may actually have a PHing skill or not – too early to tell. He doesn’t seem to have any other major league skills to me

Carry the battle to them. Don't let them bring it to you. Put them on the defensive and don't ever apologize for anything.

by giveml on Jul 4, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Miles experiment is about to end

I think the Greene callup was the beginning of the end for Miles. Next callup will be a pitcher and Miles will go down, be DFA’d, whatever. I was ok with Miles if no other option presented itself, but If Greene turns in a few good games, goodbye Miles.

Correct if I am wrong, but Stav, can’t be sent down, right? I assume they are sticking with Stav for rest of the year. Craig becomes right fielder next year.

Actually, I expect that Luddy will be gone at trade deadline(with Craig coming up to repalce him) if they can bring in a pitcher (assuming that Lohse is not returning soon).

Just win

by The Duke on Jul 3, 2010 1:37 PM EDT reply actions  

oh...

Miles experiment about to end? That’s great news!

Sticking with Stavinoha the whole year? Well I guess that could be worse.

Trading RFL! I’m not listening. nannananananananananananana.

by Evilfrog on Jul 3, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope you're right on Miles

But I think you’re setting yourself up for disappointment

by Merry CRasmus on Jul 3, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

You kidding?

Miles is hitting a “tough” .276 even though it’s still replacement level and at the bottom of the team in P/PA. If TLR thought it was a good idea to call him up to begin with, he will justify keeping him around now.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jul 3, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

And oh yeah

Was hitting a moon shot upper deck home run not enough to demonstrate that Greene has legitimate MLB potential?

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jul 3, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

my buddy and i were texting last night

and he goes “where the FUCK has he been”

me: “in tony’s doghouse”

him: “second deck shot….he’ll probably sit tomorrow”

by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 3, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

I don’t see him going until the inevitable .200/.240/.250 line reveals itself. It’s a cynical way to look at it, but it’s also probably closer to reality. Unfortunately, it means that every time he gets a hit my thought is, “Oh great, there’s another 5 at bats.”

by Merry CRasmus on Jul 3, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Another more sinister possibility

is that Greene was called up to show case him for a trade. Why call up a middle infielder when you already have 4 of them on the 25 man roster with Stavi pulling starts in RF?

by jjray on Jul 3, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lopez is basically the 3B while Freese is on the DL, so really it's the same setup of having 4 MIFers

And then Boog probably shouldn’t be playing every day so a real SS was needed.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jul 3, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

your point is that miles and ryan and skip

probably shouldn’t be playing everyday so we needed a 5th middle infielder? Meaning a guy from Memphis was a better option to start at 2B than two of the three middle infielders on our roster. One has to admit that this is odd and hard to justify. Doesn’t mean it’s not a case of Tony’s alternate baseball universe logic … but it could also have a valid baseball reason (i.e., Greene’s name has been thrown around in trade talks).

by jjray on Jul 3, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm taking it from TLR's logic

He had 4 MIFers, 2 of which could play SS. Freese gets hurt so Lopez becomes the 3B so that’s down to 3 MIFers and only 1 who can play SS, so they had to call up a SS.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jul 3, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes but Miles one

great skill is ambidextrous suckitude. We need 5 middle infielders so Miles does not have to play @ 2B (the only position he suited for on the diamond) against LHP? Consider that Skip can’t play 2B against LHP either. This weakness in the 25 man roster has been there for weeks. I personally hope we keep T. Greene and DFA Miles but it wouldn’t shock me if he is being shopped.

by jjray on Jul 3, 2010 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree with you on Salas being better than most of our rightie relief

I’d prefer Motte, Franklin, and Boggs over Salas in any situation.

I’d say he is better than Hawksworth, but I don’t think he can swing like the Hawk. (No one can swing like the Hawk.) The Puppy kicker role isn’t one you’ll get a lot of glory in, but it is one that is hard to do.

Then there is McClellan. Whose numbers are good, but a few Walkoff HRs kinda sour your perception of him.

by Evilfrog on Jul 3, 2010 1:46 PM EDT reply actions  

McClellan's numbers

K/9, 8.0 : Second in the Relievers behind Motte
B/9 2.2: Second in the Relievers behind Franklin
k/B: 3.67 Second in the Relievers behind Franklin
HR/9: 1.0; Third in the Relievers behind Franklin, Boggs
Whip: 1.02; Second in the Relievers behind Franklin.

by Evilfrog on Jul 3, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have a hard time associating

the McClellan I see pitch with the McClellan statistics. The former seems so much worse than the latter.

Silly humans, this world is for robots.

by azruavatar on Jul 3, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

A lot of people have the same problem with Motte

They just see the guy who blew the home opener last year and lost the closer job, and the guy who gave up the walk off to cinncy back in april after the Cardinals battled back to tie it.

by Evilfrog on Jul 3, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

this is true.

i’m getting sick of defending motte. he’s been DAMN good since april, and many casual fans are failing to realize this. he’s been a real treat to watch.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 3, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'm in this same boat

i keep trying to remind myself of my biases. kmac is actually probably a pretty good reliever

remember when the bullpen was our biggest concern? and the offense was our biggest strength? or when third base had epic depth at the beginning of last season?

oh, baseball

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jul 3, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think this seems to be a pretty widely held opinion

is he doing it with smoke & mirrors or is this is his true talent level?

Hell, you could say the exact same things about Ryan Franklin himself.

by nota bene on Jul 3, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I totally agree, evilfrog

*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

the bullpen has been a strength this year

I haven’t looked at the innings totals, but I like the fact that the bullpen seems to be dealing with the absence of Penny & Lohse fairly well so far….

by nota bene on Jul 3, 2010 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

logic and reason vs. TLR

don’t get me wrong, I do think TLR is a great manager, but sometimes he has problems seeing the trees through the forrest.

What he should do, IMO:
- DFA/Waive/Demote Miles: as mentioned above, 5 MIFers is unreasonable, especially when three of them (not skip) can play all INF positions except 1B. Grit and manstew be damned!
- Replace Miles with Allen Craig. Jay would certainly be an improvement over Winn/Stav, but I personally would love to see what Craig can do—give him a week’s worth of starts (consecutively) and see what you have for god’s sake.

I think our bullpen will remain as is until clear timetable on Penny is identified. Ottavino will go down when he is activated, and I expect Hawksworth slides back to relief (which he shouldn’t) and Suppan remains No. 5 SP (which he shouldn’t). I’d personally love to have Salas in pen and Hawksworth as no.5 SP.

Stupid Sexy Flanders!!!

by timmycardinals on Jul 3, 2010 1:51 PM EDT reply actions  

um..
- DFA/Waive/Demote Miles: as mentioned above, 5 MIFers is unreasonable, especially when three of them (not skip) can play all INF positions except 1B. Grit and manstew be damned!
- Replace Miles with Allen Craig. Jay would certainly be an improvement over Winn/Stav, but I personally would love to see what Craig can do—give him a week’s worth of starts (consecutively) and see what you have for god’s sake.

These two things are Mo’s job.

by Evilfrog on Jul 3, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes-

and I clearly understand what the roles of GM/Manager are.

I’m sure Tony had input on Miles’ signing, and would be the one to go to Mo and say, cut ’em loose.

But thanks for keeping everyone on their toes

Stupid Sexy Flanders!!!

by timmycardinals on Jul 3, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

down boy

"He’s in his own world out there. He says he doesn’t cuss. I disagree." - Skip Schumaker on Jason Motte
Austin Wilson, please don't be a tease!

by BVHeck on Jul 4, 2010 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

When you insist

that roster management is entirely Mo’s purview, and TLR has nothing to do with it, you just diminish your credibility.

Carry the battle to them. Don't let them bring it to you. Put them on the defensive and don't ever apologize for anything.

by giveml on Jul 4, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

how so?

obviously TLR has input but apparantly according to some posters, Mo is the biggest pussy out there or he is one of the stupidest….

not sure how it damages evilfrog’s credibility though…

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by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 4, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Frog didn't say TLR has nothing to do with it

Frog said that is the job description of a GM.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 5, 2010 8:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bryan Anderson

Is it about time to put him back in the conversation? Not discounting the value of knowing your pitchers, knowing hitters, being able to study tape, manage a game, all that stuff.

Our catchers are hitting .229/.309/.304 and .146/.233/.244. I’m thinking Anderson can offset some of the other stuff with his bat. Maybe we need to give him a couple turns a week and see how he does. They’ll talk about derailing his development, but he has been in AAA 3 years. He probably isn’t done developing, but we’ve got a good opponent in the division to contend with. If you’re talking about places to improve the hitting, this seems to be a place to look.

by Merry CRasmus on Jul 3, 2010 1:54 PM EDT reply actions  

you're killing me

I can’t allow joking like this until the cardinals fill ludwick’s spot on the roster.

by DanUpBaby on Jul 3, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

ya...i honestly thought all the miles talk was a joke...i mean it was a joke to us...but,,,

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Jul 3, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

T-virus and Stav-infection on the same team? pretty sick.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jul 3, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

any word

On that pinto guy we picked up from FLA? Did he pass his physical and get added to Memphis or what? I looked at his numbers but anyone have an idea if we see him this year?

by mick311 on Jul 3, 2010 2:42 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

bob gibson

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Jul 3, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Juan Agosto

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.

by TBender on Jul 3, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

You know what,

I’d love to see Andujar again. Even if it were just in the 9th inning of a 15-1 blowout.

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Jul 3, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

where do you see this?

if that’s the case, it would have to be someone from outside the organization. maybe a trade that does not include someone on the 40-man roster

no miller, no sanchez

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jul 3, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

they are making room

To open a roster spot for scott spezio….Tony wants him back. He’s gona bat 4th tonight

by mick311 on Jul 3, 2010 2:48 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Nah

Pujols needs a day off, Speeeeeez is hitting 3rd.

by stlfan on Jul 3, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think that Garcia's great start last night did wonders for my confidence in the team

and also the Greene callup… it’s making me realize we probably won’t be seeing such a horrible bench the whole rest of the year.

My recommendations are send Miles back to the minors if that’s even possible, or just dfa him. bring up Jon Jay to fill in for Ludwick, there’s no doubt in my mind he’s the best option for that. Chief Justice sitting in for RFL, you gotta like that.

If I could go even further, I’d probably ditch either Stav or Winn and bring up Salas or test another bullpen arm like Sanchez. it’s interesting how willing they are to bring up Salas and then send him down, much like their handling of other minor leaguers.

*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2010 2:53 PM EDT reply actions  

I just thought stav could be backup backup catcher at least

and he probably has more power than Winn, but you’re probably right, Winn’s probably the better option. I just doubt if they would get rid of both of those guys, that’s kind of a best case scenario

*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

nice

*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

ah, the expected stopgap

the only shame is that none of the recent moves have involved Stav or Mini Stav.

I don't give a fuck who you confuse me with.

by chalk on Jul 3, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh hell yes!

*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

...

RT @BJRains #stlcards lineup Lopez 5, Winn 8, Pujols 3, Holliday 7, Stavinoha 9, Molina 2, Ryan 6, Carpenter 1, Greene 4 Jay up, Ludwick DL.

....my quick smells like french toast...

Twitter: @mstreeter06

by mstreeter06 on Jul 3, 2010 3:45 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

free colby

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jul 3, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

could be worse

Feldman made a good point on the radio today…..with Ryan, Molina and the production we have gotten out of 2nd base so far we usually have 4 auto outs in our lineup everynight…even more lately with the injuries, but yet there aren’t really any spots we r able to upgrade if we r deciding to just go with defense at SS and Catcher. We really need Yadi to turn it around and skip to keep improving. Yadi looks tired, I hope he gets hot after the break.

by mick311 on Jul 3, 2010 3:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

could be better

Stav 5th + Colby not playing

I don't give a fuck who you confuse me with.

by chalk on Jul 3, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh for the love of god

rasmus sitting AGAIN?! tony…seriously? in favor of nick fucking stavinoha STARTING AND HITTING FIFTH FOR THE FOURTH STRAIGHT GAME?! MAKE IT STOP!!!!

by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 3, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

so freakin stupid!

*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

could be worse

Feldman made a good point on the radio today…..with Ryan, Molina and the production we have gotten out of 2nd base so far we usually have 4 auto outs in our lineup everynight…even more lately with the injuries, but yet there aren’t really any spots we r able to upgrade if we r deciding to just go with defense at SS and Catcher. We really need Yadi to turn it around and skip to keep improving. Yadi looks tired, I hope he gets hot after the break.

by mick311 on Jul 3, 2010 3:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yea i would say the biggest issue with the lineup is winn

Winn is awful batting righty, so its not an upgrade over Colby anyway. Plus didn’t Colby homer off Parra last time we faced him a couple weeks ago. I was at the game and I thought he did…

by mick311 on Jul 3, 2010 3:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Andrew Moses tweet

The more Rasmus sits against LHPs, the more it hurts him. Not sure how that wasn’t made clear during his recent success against them. // I completely agree.

....my quick smells like french toast...

Twitter: @mstreeter06

by mstreeter06 on Jul 3, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

minor quibble - greene is probably

The fastest guy on the team. Why not 8th instead of ninth, as he’s the ideal candidate to be moved over by a bunt from the pitcher?

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by tom s. on Jul 3, 2010 6:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Do you think

Greene could outrun Colby?

Carry the battle to them. Don't let them bring it to you. Put them on the defensive and don't ever apologize for anything.

by giveml on Jul 4, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

finally

do they make those flags with ‘W’ on them or is there just not a market for them?

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jul 3, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

nice

*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

...

RT @BJRAINS Also, catcher Yadier Molina will be going with new walk-up music tonight in an attempt to break out of his slump. #stlcards

....my quick smells like french toast...

Twitter: @mstreeter06

by mstreeter06 on Jul 3, 2010 4:01 PM EDT reply actions  

thats what i thought....

Colby went 1-2 with a Home run last time vs. Parra. Now I remeber. It was the bring your dog to the ballpark night. We lost in xtras. Parra went 5 2/3 gave up 2 and struck out 10! We were awful against him with one of the only bright spots being Rasmus’ homer. But yet he’s sitting.

by mick311 on Jul 3, 2010 4:11 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Nats fail

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 3, 2010 4:18 PM EDT reply actions  

...

RT @MatthewHLeach: Shelby Miller last night: 5 2 0 0 1 5. #WelcomeBack #HPGF #stlcards

....my quick smells like french toast...

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by mstreeter06 on Jul 3, 2010 4:22 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

is that

IP, H, R, ER, BB, K

?

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jul 3, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes

Silly humans, this world is for robots.

by azruavatar on Jul 3, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

mrrgh

I don't give a fuck who you confuse me with.

by chalk on Jul 3, 2010 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

One question:

This is an unlikely scenario, so we’ll leave it at that.

But, why not trade for a Jerrod Washburn-type arm, and then, when penny comes back, use him as a closer? It takes some strain off of Penny’s arm. Carp, Wainwright, Garcia with Lohse as a fourth makes a fine playoff rotation. And the innings eater guy does his thing. Additionally, it pushes everyone in the bullpen back one on the depth chart.

Penny unquestionably has closers stuff, after all.

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Jul 3, 2010 4:58 PM EDT reply actions  

sure

any solid fill-in type fifth starter, really. I’d be happy getting Smoltz out of retirement, too. I believe that he has an opt-out of his broadcasting contract if he returns to MLB.

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Jul 3, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

i dont see them replacing franklin as the closer unless he really struggles later on in the year

Plus isn’t that kind of the idea we have for Lohse? Assuming the rotation (carp,waino,garcia,penny,suppan or hawk) is healthy by the time he’s back. I kno Mozeliak isn’t gona want Lohse makin 10$mil to eat innings in the pen but I had heard something right after his surgery about the possibility that he may not even ever be able to be a starter again depending on how the surgery turns out.

by mick311 on Jul 3, 2010 5:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Lohse in the rotation and Penny in the pen is a better use of personnel,

I think. Penny’s arm is a better bullpen arm. Lohse feels more like an innings eater. And once again, the team, at least for now, has plenty of frontline starting.

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Jul 3, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh i agree with u

I just think lohse their may be more likely to happen. We will see how penny looks coming back from injury. I am so excited to get him back, if we can get him pitching how he did to start the year our rotation is gona be great. He was having a great season up until those last 2 starts which he says he was hurt for. What do u think they will do with Suppan if penny and lohse were to both come back healthy and return to the rotation?

by mick311 on Jul 3, 2010 5:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

bold

but kevin millar is much worse than tim mccarver

by LukeMP1186 on Jul 3, 2010 5:07 PM EDT reply actions  

did Colby piss off Tony or what

*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2010 5:22 PM EDT reply actions  

noel is his name is why

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jul 3, 2010 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

didn't he go by albert in high school?

i guess salas signed and came up as noel, then decided to be fernando after his page was already set..

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jul 3, 2010 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

i don't know

i discovered his name was noel when i looked up his minor league stats the first time he was called up. i’m sure he’s had a page since his first minor league game, and then they just add on to it. i don’t know, but i wish he still went by noel.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jul 3, 2010 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I won champions club tix for an august game vs. Hou in a June sales contest at work

Has anyone sat there? I hear a lot about it, unl food n drinks which is nice, anybody know how the seats are though?

by mick311 on Jul 3, 2010 5:39 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

seats are alright

not nosebleeds but not OMG AWESOME either. basically like outfield field box seats.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 3, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

thats what i figured. at least their free!

Last year my dad and I got partial season tix but this year I’ve been to just as many games and I haven’t spent nearly as much money. Stubhub is awesome I have found a lot of awesome seats this year. Tuesday night is always a great night to get cheap seats for some reason. I’ve always gotten 1st,3rd or outfield box seats n rarely pay more than $30 a ticket. I love that site

by mick311 on Jul 3, 2010 5:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I'm glad this game isn't televised.

The thought behind playing both Winn and Stavinoha over Rasmus is dumb and unfounded. How long do we have to live through this madness. If a player is awesome and has a platoon split, they can be better than a player who is not awesome.

This should not be rocket science.

Silly humans, this world is for robots.

by azruavatar on Jul 3, 2010 6:10 PM EDT reply actions  

curse you

my U-verse guide did not list it there. Now I have to watch this terrible lineup.

Silly humans, this world is for robots.

by azruavatar on Jul 3, 2010 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is Rasmus healthy?

Is he maintaining his weight this season? He was pretty drained by the end of last season and went into a funk during the middle of the year.

by ubeddie on Jul 3, 2010 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good news everyone!

It looks like ksdk will have the game on local tv!

by DarkHelmut on Jul 3, 2010 6:11 PM EDT reply actions  

why is it not on fox or fsmw?

I have uverse anyone know what channel it is?

by mick311 on Jul 3, 2010 6:17 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

No FSMW Telecast

Anybody know why I have to suffer through the game even more than normal with the Brewer announcers as opposed to the Mad Hungarian?

by Vinegar Bend on Jul 3, 2010 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

At least you get the Brewers announcers

the local channel that sometimes carries Sunday KSDK broadcasts apparently isn’t interested in Saturday night baseball. So I guess I’ll just listen to the Moonman tonight.

by ArkansasTravs on Jul 3, 2010 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

5

Silly humans, this world is for robots.

by azruavatar on Jul 3, 2010 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

anyone know of a sbn grease monkey script?

I was looking through user-script and couldn’t find one… I would be ecstatic if there was one that showed how many unready comments I have in the tab title like twitter does. So far all I can find is one for the ranger’s site which blocks certain users(trolls) in the comments…

I am the Batman .
@CodeeG

by CodyG on Jul 3, 2010 6:14 PM EDT reply actions  

wow

Thome is now 10th on the all time home runs list…. didn’t know that he was that high

*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2010 6:14 PM EDT reply actions  

what kind of potential does Brandon Dickson have?

He seems to be having the most sucessful season out of the starters in Memphis. I have never really heard very much about him though.

by mick311 on Jul 3, 2010 6:15 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

brad thompson?

might be a little harsh, but that’s what i hear.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jul 3, 2010 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

game starts at 5:35 right?

*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2010 6:16 PM EDT reply actions  

that's cool

I can wait 4 extra seconds, was thinking about leaving but I’ll check out the first few innings

*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'm leaving eventually.

but we’ll see how far i get into the game. it’s starting to feel like one of those nights where i should be doing something but the wrong people are planning it. i may end up here the whole game.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 3, 2010 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm just going to go hang out on someone's porch

I miss having a deck

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2010 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

my old apartment had a nice one on the third floor

lived there from 98 til 2005, lots of grilling and beer drinking!

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2010 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

sounds like a grand old time

that’s all i want to do tonight, but friends/my age have different ideas.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 3, 2010 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

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