Suck In the Middle
Well, at least we won, right? It always could be worse.
I feel bad for Jaime, who once again got screwed out of a victory he deserved. Strasburg has been the black swan on the horizon since spring training began, and Buster Posey is the man of the minute with his Ty Cobb impression, but Garcia has been the best rookie in the National League on the whole this year, and he has absolutely zero chance of being recognised for it. Now, I'm not saying a few extra wins should make any difference, but you know perfectly well they would. Oh well. He can just go on being underappreciated as far as I'm concerned.
By the by, the original version of the above paragraph referred to Jason Heyward as a black swan, but I thought better of it.
Anyway, I'm not going to say much else about last night's game, as I want to get this up bright and early since I'm pretty sure today's game starts at about eight am, but I thought Mike MacDougal looked pretty decent. The pitch he got Beltran on was scary, but I was encouraged overall by the stuff he was throwing. The last two outs he got were both groundballs on 96 mph fastballs that had nice downward movement on them; if he can throw just like he did last night I think he could be plenty useful for us. Given the choice, I would probably choose to see Eduardo Sanchez get an audition or keep Salas up, but not seeing either of those guys until September also isn't the worst thing in the world.
I don't think it's exactly news to anyone that our middle infield has been awful. And not normal awful; awful in a way that's almost hard to even properly conceptualize. The Cardinals are paying actual major league money to Skip Schumaker to be a below replacement level player; by comparison Brendan Ryan's neutrality for league minimum seems positively heavenly.
Actually, let me correct that. I last checked WAR for Ryan and Schumaker a couple weeks back; both of them have managed to move into positive numbers, albeit ever so slightly, since. Both players are currently worth 0.1 wins above replacement, meaning our starting middle infield has contributed two-tenths of a win to the cause. Huzzah! I apologise to both players for impugning their contributions.
I promise I'm not going to bash Aaron Miles here, either. We all know what he is, but seeing as how he's been better than either of our regulars, he gets a pass for the morning.
Nonetheless, facts is facts, and facts is our middle infield sucks. It sucks hard. It sucks like James Dyson designed it. It sucks like its hockey player boyfriend just proposed. (I should be ashamed of myself for that joke, but I'm soooo not.) I would like to come up with another funny thing that sucks to satisfy the rule of three, but I can't think of one at the moment and as I said I'm trying to finish this quickly. (That's what- there's no time, man!)
Perhaps this season is simply an unfortunate convergence of a couple bad seasons, and both Brendan Ryan and Skippy will rebound next year to be productive players. If you believe that, that's fine; there's certainly an argument to be made. However, I don't believe that. I believe we've seen the best of both players, and I don't expect to see it again. I think Skip's game is just fundamentally unsound in certain ways, and Brendan Ryan is, well, um, let me tell you a little story.
When I was little, I stayed with my grandmother a lot, and had a friend named Chris who lived near her house. On her road, down by where she lived, there were mostly older people who had lived in the neighborhood for years, and things were pretty much okay. Just a couple miles up the road, though, things were much worse. Trashy houses with inhabitants to match. Chris was from one of those houses. Skinny and gingery, he looked a little like Ron Howard in his Mayberry days, a little like a hungry stray. A few too many teeth when he smiled, shoulder blades you could see.
Chris wasn't a bad kid, necessarily; he was just one of those kids your grandmother doesn't want you hanging around with. His father cut out on the family when he was four; his mom worked at 7-11 and part-time at McDonald's. We used to throw rocks at cars and hide in the woods when the drivers stopped or sneak over to the neighbor's barn where he had posters of naked women pinned up in his workshop. Sometimes we would get bottles of Nitro cola and smash the empties together until they shattered. Normal bored unhappy kid stuff.
Over the years, Chris got into trouble quite a few times. He broke a neighbor's windows one time after the guy shot his dog with a BB gun; another time he got caught lifting stuff out of the snack machine at school. Every time he did something bad Chris would apologise and promise to do better and say all the right things and actually would stay out of trouble for awhile; a couple months later though and he would be right back in hot water for something stupid. Chris wasn't really a bad guy; he never stole big things or hurt anyone or graduated up to felonies. He was just missing whatever it is that lets the rest of us learn from our mistakes. Last time I saw Chris we were both about eighteen and he was working at a gas station in Festus. I went in with my girlfriend at the time and we recognised each other; he told me all about how he dropped out of school because he knocked up his girl and she was being a total bitch about him needing a better car and he was thinking of dumping her.
Anyway, Brendan Ryan reminds me of Chris. Not because Brendan looks like he could really use someone to buy him dinner (though he does), but because Brendan just seems to be missing something. Every time you think he's really arrived, that he's ready to become a consistent, productive major leaguer, something goes wrong and he backslides to future utility infielder territory. I don't know what it is about Ryan, but I don't believe in him. I just don't.
But I digress. Plenty has been written about the abject shittiness of our middle infield this year, but I'm more concerned with what the Cards can do to improve it. (If they can do anything, that is.)
What you would hope, of course, is that there might be help on the horizon coming out of the farm system. Unfortunately, middle infield has been one of the major areas of failure for Jeff Luhnow and company; they've had almost zero luck drafting and developing useful talent in the middle of the diamond. Jose Martinez succumbed to an almost stunning lack of plate discipline, Donovan Solano made an impression in spring training but has a .557 OPS at Triple A, Pete Kozma has been The Guy Who Isn't Rick Porcello. There are a few intriguing names at the very low levels, guys like Cesar Valera, but nothing really close.
There is Daniel Descalso, the second baseman who had such a big season last year at Double A and personal favourite of mine. He was having a pretty good, if uninspiring, campaign at Memphis this year, but he just made his first start last night after being on the disabled list for a month.
That leads us to the trade market, which is certainly more fertile ground but presents plenty of other issues. Looking around, there are a handful of teams with middle infielders who would present real upgrades and are also probably sellers. Dan Uggla of the Marlins is certainly a popular name around trade talk circles, but the price in talent for him will be massive, and with good reason. Uggla was worth almost 3 wins last year and is already at 3.3 WAR this season. His fielding isn't always pretty, but his value is impossible to argue with.
Aaron Hill is another option, but the Jays would want a king's ransom for him and I wonder what kind of hit his power numbers would take leaving the Rogers Centre. He's intriguing, but I don't really see a fit. I suppose Brian Roberts has to be considered an option, but the injury history and salary aren't pluses, to say the least.
The Indians are brutal and have a ton of middle infielders, but very few of them are guys you really want around. Asdrubal Cabrera has actually been worse than either Skip or Ryan, and he's fairly representative of what you're looking at with the Indians. So not a whole lot of help there. Mike Aviles of the Royals has come up; again, he's basically the same production level of what we already have.
Personally, the guy I really wish the Cards could get their hands on is Reid Brignac of the Tampa Bay Rays. He's young, talented, and would be cost-controlled for quite a while. Of course, one could then ask the question, "Why would the Rays trade him?" and that would certainly be fair. He's playing second base for them currently and doing a nice job, and I personally think he's going to be very, very good down the line. However, the Rays are also staring down the potential loss of both Carl Crawford and Carlos Pena to free agency this offseason; they have Desmond Jennings who will likely step in for Crawford, but don't have as obvious a plan at first. I wonder if Allen Craig would interest them. You would likely have to include another player with Craig to overcome the positional value difference and Brignac's track record in the majors, but I do wonder if the Rays would consider moving Brignac for a cost-controlled solution at a position of greater need for them. Probably a pipe dream, or at the very least one which likely waits until the offseason. There are probably other teams with better bat prospects anyway. (Though I really believe in Craig's bat.) Oh well.
You may notice most of the players I'm looking at are second basemen; that isn't an accident. Very quietly, Tyler Greene is looking more and more like a pretty productive major leaguer. Not productive enough to make me forget the Cards drafted him instead of Clay Bucholz, mind you, but not bad at all. Tyler Greene is the best shortstop the Cardinals have right now, and I think he needs to be the starter going forward.
In just 75 plate appearances this season, Tyler has amassed 0.4 WAR, or double what what our 'starters' in the middle infield have combined. His OPS+ on the season is 105, putting him almost exactly league-average and very good for a shortstop. And honestly, I don't see any reason he can't continue to hit approximately as well as he currently is going forward. He's always going to have an odd looking batch of results, but this is a player with enough power to make up for below-average contact skills. Defensively there seem to be a lot of fans who think Tyler is much worse than he is; UZR has him a shade below average and +/- likes him for just a hair above both this season and last. Obviously the sample sizes are far too small to be very meaningful, but those results basically jibe with what I see from Greene: both in the minors and majors I think his glove is pretty good, with a few spectacular plays offset by the occasional blunder on something routine. I would be perfectly willing to bet he ends up a few runs above or below average over the next few seasons. Combine averagish defense with his unusually dynamic profile with the bat and I think Tyler is our best bet.
Unfortunately, I don't think it's going to be easy for the Cards to upgrade their middle infield. If Freese comes back Felipe Lopez can slide over to second, but I personally hope we can find a way to keep him as more of a utility guy filling in at three spots than tethering him to one five days a week. Regardless, the fact is I think the Cardinals are likely stuck with what they have up the middle for the rest of this season. Finding a way to turn the middle infield from a major weakness into a strength may be the most important challenge John Mozeliak will face between now and Opening Day 2011.
So, what do you guys think? Any pet names out there?
The Baron's Playlist for the 29th of July, 2010 -- New!
"When Will You Come?" - Wavves
"The Suburbs" - Arcade Fire
"Summer Mood" - Best Coast
"Mansion of Misery" - Fortress
"Coquet Coquette" - Of Montreal
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Two statements related to things immediately in my view right now:
1. The best episode every of Home Movies, “Bye Bye Greasy”, is currently on the west coast feed of Cartoon Network as Adult Swim winds down for the day.
2. I have a crush on the girl in the elevator in the new GameFly commercial.
Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!
I love Home Movies.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I can't believe its only 3 hours until game time already.
by Cardfanintherock on Jul 29, 2010 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions
the game starts at 11?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Noon EDT
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.
i hope lopex put in a wakeup call
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
this makes absolutely no sense other than a gut feeling.
post-surgery
almost no spring training
adjusting his swing
no options, which means no opportunity to fix anything in Memphis
and extra pressure because the big bats have not been consistent either
I’m not making excuses for him; Brendan Ryan has spent the season sucking. but to say he’s just never going to learn? he un-learned a truckload of bad baseball habits, and continues to do so. he watches his signs now, his baserunning is much better now, he’s handling ALL the communication on the left side of the field, he’s throwing overhand. I think we’ve forgotten just how bad he was when he came on the scene. he was so bad, VEB forgot who he was.
he does not have to do anything on offense much more than what Yadier Molina does on offense. that is the quality of his defensive contribution. if his defense starts to sink, he’s gone, and yesterday, and he knows it.

how is 2010 Brendan Ryan the real Brendan Ryan going forward? really? someone explain it to me, because this is a disturbing trend of calling him stupid and slow with no evidence to back it up.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 29, 2010 8:49 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Do Not put words in my mouth.
I didn’t call him stupid or slow. You can believe in him all you like; I happen not to. Don’t make my argument for me, though. Got it?
Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!
by the red baron on Jul 29, 2010 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions
then I shall call attention to that trend, which is happening in the press and here on VEB.
tell us why, then. give us evidence. give us something a little bit more than
but because Brendan just seems to be missing something. Every time you think he’s really arrived, that he’s ready to become a consistent, productive major leaguer, something goes wrong and he backslides to future utility infielder territory. I don’t know what it is about Ryan, but I don’t believe in him. I just don’t.
don’t tell me that’s not inflammatory, given the constant commentary by so-called serious media outlets.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Don't tell you that's not inflammatory?
What the fuck exactly is inflammatory about that? Where are the words stupid or slow or anything else derogatory in there? Where did I say anything other than I just don’t feel he has what it takes to be a consistent major leaguer? That’s not inflammatory, that’s a statement of opinion. You can believe whatever the fuck you want, but don’t get all pissed off when I state I don’t think Brendan Ryan is the second fucking coming.
Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!
by the red baron on Jul 29, 2010 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
you may have crossed the line here
this is the kind of response that has gotten other dismissed from VEB.
what do cows know about sand - are you part camel?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
So
you’re making milkshakes for Aaron Miles, now?
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Jul 29, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Hopefully Mo drinks Miles's milkshake.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I drink it up!
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I don't play in the sand box.....
they let cats in here after midnight……..
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Opinion should be allowed
without having to compile stacks of statistics. But that’s just my opinion….I haven’t researched that.
Looks like I picked the wrong day to quit sniffing glue....
by Futility Infielder on Jul 29, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Sounds like something you should be working on.
Could Colby Rasmus hit a ball so hard that even he couldn't catch it?
by Cardinals645 on Jul 29, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
ha :-)
Looks like I picked the wrong day to quit sniffing glue....
by Futility Infielder on Jul 29, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
It's ok
I checked his opinion and Fangraphs, and it’s well above replacement level. You’re OAR is closing in on 2 for the year, and that’s with a vacation shortened season.
I'm the Albert Belle of Golf...
And what in the hell does
anything printed or said in any other media outlet have to do with this?
Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!
by the red baron on Jul 29, 2010 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions
RB,
you’re clearly out of bounds here. That kind of vitriole has been seen here before and THAT MEMBER HAS BEEN BANNED EVERY TIME. Now, I don’t think that’s going to happen here, but you should still lose the ’tude. Yadi was simply disagreeing with you. Deal with it in somewhat of a coherent manner instead of spewing obscenities.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
by Eckstreem on Jul 29, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Really?
So what I’m being told is that I should read the opinions of other media outlets, then adjust my opinions accordingly so as to avoid agreeing with them, and I’m not supposed to question that? That’s essentially the implication here, that my opinion should be changed for some reason because he doesn’t like what other people have said.
I think my response was perfectly coherent. I read over it, and it makes sense. Deal with it.
Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!
by the red baron on Jul 29, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
You need to go ban yourself
and think aboot what you’ve done.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
That's actually not a bad idea.
I’ll put myself on timeout.
Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!
by the red baron on Jul 29, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Aboot.....
then tell us if you’ve bean up nort’ dere…..
Looks like I picked the wrong day to quit sniffing glue....
by Futility Infielder on Jul 29, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
And they you must spank yourself thoroughly..
…and then you must spank me.
And me!
And me!
Yes! Yes! you must give us all a good spanking!
(All: A spanking a spanking we’re going to get a spanking!)
And after the spank the – ok, enough Holy Grail quotes….
;=8)
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
I don't mind your response,
and I’m dealing with it just fine, thank you.
But how does spewing obscenities at one of our more well-respected and smartest members make your point any more cogent?
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
Tell you what.
You have a problem with my language, go read the community guidelines and decide if you have a leg to stand on. Beyond that, I’m not particularly interested in hearing about this further.
Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!
by the red baron on Jul 29, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
My bad.
You’re a total bad-ass and we all bow to your awesomeness!!
My point is simple. You’re smart enough to have an argument with somebody without needing to spout that kind of tirade.
Deal with it.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
You're vastly overestimating my intelligence.
Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!
by the red baron on Jul 29, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
you used black swan twice today
so you could punch my mother in the face and still have a free pass today…yes i have a black swan tattoo on my left should, pix to prove.
(funny story is it’s Story of the Year’s black swan album art. I never heard one song from that album but they named it after the book)
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
Please, not this ridiculous argument again.
We had it months ago, and it was just annoying to deal with. RB can say whatever the hell he wants to.
By the way, you know that everyone that has used foul language has been banned….how?
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
Pretty sure I'm still here.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 29, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
I said the word "Chicken" several times in the past
and was never banned for fowl language…
;=8)
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Jul 29, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
Nononononononononono!
You make cow puns! Leave all other barnyard-related word humour alone! I’m not playing around here, cow!
Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!
by the red baron on Jul 29, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
This is your last warning.
And do not- I repeat, DO NOT – accuse me of being catty this morning.
Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!
by the red baron on Jul 29, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Trying to make you into the scapegoat
Don’t let him weasel out of this.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Ignore the fact that very few farms keep weasels.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
That's it!
I’m putting you out to pasture. Permanently.
Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!
by the red baron on Jul 29, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Alpaca his stuff and help him moove.
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.
I've opened a door I regret.
Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!
by the red baron on Jul 29, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
F'in Baron
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.
Not true.
Okay, true.
Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!
by the red baron on Jul 29, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
i think RB's response was a little harsh peronsally
but I cuss a lot more than I should here and no one has said anything to me about it.
this thread is all Aaron Mile's fault.
In fairness
Yadi did make an accusation that was unfounded. The “stupid and slow” comment was unnecessary and it seems a little bit over the top on rhetoric (not excusing the response) but it seems like a simple miscommunication.
I'm the Albert Belle of Golf...
I don't want to get involved in this.
Really I don’t. All I will say is that RB made a very unflattering comparison between Brendan and “Chris” that could be interpreted in a variety of ways. I don’t think the group needs to pile on Y2S for what he (imo, reasonably) inferred from that analogy.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
Apparently, 'Do not put words in my mouth' was overlooked by you...
Maybe you’ve never stated a polarizing opinion on VEB…Y2S called him out and interpreted RB’s opinion.
And spewing obscenities is not illegal on here. FUCK SHIT ASS DOUCHE.
'Don't kiss an ass if its in the process of shitting on you.'
Fire Tony LaRussa
by Heisenberg on Jul 29, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
you're offending me, dammit!! :-)
Looks like I picked the wrong day to quit sniffing glue....
by Futility Infielder on Jul 29, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
If you separate that into two two-word phrases
It’s almost poetic
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Hmm...
Do you have any math to back up this opinion?
But how does spewing obscenities at one of our more well-respected and smartest members make your point any more cogent?
Regression, bitches.
LOL!!!
I suppose I should formulate an IQ poll of our members to establish some sort of stastical evidence that Yadi2 is as intelligent as I believe.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
You're right.
OK. Mine is 123, park-adjusted.
I expect every member to disclose their IQ in the next 24 hours.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
Nor does a gentleman ask.
Now fess up, Stabby.
Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!
by the red baron on Jul 29, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, IQ is a flawed measure, and there are different types of tests.
Plus, you can move up or down within a standard deviation on any given day, so you’d have to be tested regularly to account for that. Any mental impairment (such as being tired, hungry, or medicated) can affect your test score.
Knowing all of this means that we’d all need to be tested several times in order to get an accurate picture of our IQ-measured intelligence.
Regression, bitches.
I like what you said with the words.
Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!
by the red baron on Jul 29, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
She really turned it on ya that time, RB.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 29, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Mental dingerz camp again?
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 29, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Every once in awhile it hits me hard.
Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!
by the red baron on Jul 29, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh yeah, tell me about it
I was getting some bad advice from my father, so my testing mechanics were all off. My posture was bad, so I wasn’t seeing the questions well. Thus, I scored 110 my first time. After getting a new coach and improving my set-up, things turned around.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
I studied up over the off-season
Added 15 points of IQ. Best cognitive shape ofmy life, coach. I’m a power-thinker now.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Jul 29, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I went to mental dinger camp once.
I thought huge, brilliant thoughts for months afterward, but couldn’t remember how to use a straw. It was rough.
Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!
by the red baron on Jul 29, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
MENSA.
They adjust for the fact that I’m from Southern Illinois, which apparently is an extremely pitcher-friendly environment. I tested out at 115, but after the park adjustment it was raised.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
The metric is CUSS
or, Coarse Unrefined Swearing per Story. You’d divide the vulgarity by the words within the post. Now, CUSS+ would be a comparison to the VEB average among all posters, with any TESS strings tossed out as outliers.
So, if a particular string would have a high level of vulgarity, then your CUSS+ would be lower, but in isolation in an otherwise friendly string, your CUSS+ would be off the chart, resulting in a TESS of its own.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Jul 29, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I've got to be one the blog leaders in CUSS+
'Don't kiss an ass if its in the process of shitting on you.'
Fire Tony LaRussa
With that sig
in all your posts, I would say so.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Jul 29, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Is there a weighted CUSS+
That’s normalized across all the SBN blogs?
I'll fuck anything twice.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
There used to be,
but they took it over to Lookout Landing and the whole thing just blew right the fuck up. Killed thousands.
Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!
by the red baron on Jul 29, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
I dont see how RB is out of line...
he hasnt attacked Y2S, hes strongly worded some sentences regarding BR. But thats all.
'Don't kiss an ass if its in the process of shitting on you.'
Fire Tony LaRussa
who is this banned member?
I’m dying to know now, being more recently acclamated to this community myself.
I'm the Albert Belle of Golf...
I know not of this VEP character
Sounds quite innocuous from his name, unless it’s an anagram for virginal ear penetration, at which I would shudder to think.
I'm the Albert Belle of Golf...
even if you didn't mean it
I’m just saying, that’s not clear. It’s going in that direction, and it would be nice to have a clarification, or specificity, or maybe even math.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I don't think we need any math
His suckiness has been in plain sight for all to see.
Bottom line, he’s a fun guy who is easy to like but we wouldn’t tolerate his level of play with anyone else. He should be a late inning defensive replacement right now with Greene getting the lion’s share of starts at short.
That graph is pretty misleading.
The regression line is buoyed by the way his PAs are divided between seasons, especially the 199 pretty good PAs in 2007. The fact still remains that in his major league career he has 1130 PA to date, and a .299 wOBA in that time.
The 2010 Brendan Ryan of the .247 wOBA probably isn’t the real Brendan Ryan going forward, but I doubt the real Brendan Ryan is going to be a terribly better hitter when he shows up.
Could Colby Rasmus hit a ball so hard that even he couldn't catch it?
by Cardinals645 on Jul 29, 2010 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I miss David Freese
allowing Lopez to split time between second and short would be the best thing for the Cardinals going forward.
this thread is all Aaron Mile's fault.
Right Now....
…I’m all for starting Flop at second, Greene at short, and Craig at 3rd and see what sticks. It all comes back to 3rd base yet again. Can;t help it if we finally got a decent starter at third (Freese) who is on the but its bad that his back-up is needed to start second or SS. I wonder if a low buy on someone like Tejada wouldn’t be such a bad thing after all.
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
I always vision this computer
when I think of you typing at a computer

Maybe that’s just me.
I'm the Albert Belle of Golf...
I like that idea Moo.
I think the offensive upgrade will be pretty significant, and considering the present defensive situation, there shouldn’t be a lot of loss on that side either. Maybe a touch down from Ryan to Greene, but I’d bet Craig can handle 3b as well as Flop and I KNOW flop can handle 2nd as well as Skippy.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
when was the last time craig took a ball at third - spring training?
i wouldn’t mind it either, but it’s just not going to happen.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Yeah, that's a good point,
but he did spend about 5 years taking balls at 3b before last year. Surely the man can catch what’s hit at him. Remember, all he has to do right now is approximate Floppy’s defense, which ain’t grand.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
Furthermore, Tony was willing to try him at RF
But not third base. What the hell? AARON MILES AND BRENDAN RYAN AND SKIP SCHUMAKER HAVE SUCKED ALL YEAR ON YOUR ROSTER AND YOU’RE NOT WILLING TO MAKE LOPEZ THE SECOND BASEMAN AT LEAST AND MAYBE TRY, JUST ONCE, TRY CRAIG AT THIRD JUST FOR THE HELL OF IT.
OK, I’m sorry for that.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Easy, C.J.
Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!
by the red baron on Jul 29, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Can't be CJ. No mention of food.
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.
This is true.
I stand corrected. Maybe TOLAXOR?
Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!
by the red baron on Jul 29, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Showing he could play 3B might even raise his trade value.
I don’t get it either, but I’ve long ago given up on the club doing anything that makes sense with regard to Allen Craig.
Could Colby Rasmus hit a ball so hard that even he couldn't catch it?
by Cardinals645 on Jul 29, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Another way to think about it.
If Skip Schumaker, who hadn’t played ANY MI position as a pro can learn to approximate 2B defense, then surely, SURELY, Craig can play some level of acceptable defense at 3B after doing exactly that for several years in the minors.
Could Colby Rasmus hit a ball so hard that even he couldn't catch it?
by Cardinals645 on Jul 29, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
yes, but tony is not just going to run him out to third
when he hasn’t even played an inning there in memphis all year. perhaps in the 20th inning of a game, but that’s about it.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
That's fair
but he could at least be working on it at AAA. Does Gotay really need the ABs?
Could Colby Rasmus hit a ball so hard that even he couldn't catch it?
by Cardinals645 on Jul 29, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
i don't think the org feels there's anything to be worked on
their decision seems final.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
you do know that it wasn't Tony who decided that Craig can't play third
It was Jeff Luhnow’s group. When your minor league development team tells you that a guy can’t play third, there is no reason to assume that he can play third.
this thread is all Aaron Mile's fault.
The minor league dev. group also moved Schu to the OF
from the MI, where he played (at least some) in college.
Could Colby Rasmus hit a ball so hard that even he couldn't catch it?
by Cardinals645 on Jul 29, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
My point is more that they've overridden such decisions before.
Nobody thinks Craig’s gonna be Scott Rolen, but he could be at least as good defensively as Schumaker, and that seems to be OK for Tony (as long as the player has grit, like Miles or Skip).
Could Colby Rasmus hit a ball so hard that even he couldn't catch it?
by Cardinals645 on Jul 29, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
he could be as good as schumaker
he could also be much worse. The fact is that the Minor league system tried him out at third and decided that he couldn’t do that. The minor league system didn’t try skip out at second. He just started in the outfield when he got here.
this thread is all Aaron Mile's fault.
I doubt he'd be any worse than Skip.
But again, I just don’t think it’s Luhnow and Co. that’s keeping Tony from making this move. If Tony wanted to make such a move he could and would do it; I don’t think Luhnow’s opinion factors all that much into it.
Tony throws guys into odd positions on a whim (Skip to 2B, Lopez in the OF, etc.). Maybe Craig can play 3B and maybe he can’t, but Tony could try him out if he wanted to.
Could Colby Rasmus hit a ball so hard that even he couldn't catch it?
by Cardinals645 on Jul 29, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
It is ultimately Tony's decision where to play him
when he’s on the roster (which, of course, he isn’t at the moment). Just as it’s ultimately Mo’s decision whom to put on the roster.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
skip to second and Lopez in the OF or two different things
Skip was moved during an off-season. And Lopez in the outfield was just a handful of games. I’m sure given the right circumstances Tony will start Craig at third for a game or two.
But when it’s the end of July and you are tied for 1st, now is not the time to try hand over the job to a guy your minor league system had told you that he can’t play third.
this thread is all Aaron Mile's fault.
i think tony overrode that decision
allowing him reason to convince mo to dump kennedy and eat 4 mil.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
and they were right, it seems
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I was thinking the exact same thing.
several years of developing as a MI, versus having to learn at the major league level.
"He ran hard, but he didn't run fast. He runs like he's mad at the ground." - opposing broadcaster describing Yadi's speed.
at 2nd or in the outfield
his bat isn’t good enough for the outfield so really moving to second is his only chance to stick at anything but a bench player.
this thread is all Aaron Mile's fault.
yeah
when he got here they moved him to the outfield. I dunno, if they left him there through out the minors he might have made a good 2nd baseman.
He might have also struggled for whatever reason and never made the team. But given his performance over the last few years at second, I think he would at least have made it to AAA and been on the Major league radar.
this thread is all Aaron Mile's fault.
That's not true
he never played anything but OF in college.
Guys like Bradley are exactly why we can't have a pumpkin patch anymore.
He was a SS all but his last year in college.
From the horse’s mouth, to continue the barn theme.
Could Colby Rasmus hit a ball so hard that even he couldn't catch it?
by Cardinals645 on Jul 29, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
joey bombs was a ss too
when we drafted him.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Yeah, I do keep forgetting that actually
In a normal times I wouldn’t be complaining. But with our injuries and craptastic middle infield, especially since it would only be temporary, I still don’t get why they’re not willing to even try it as a temporary band aid until Freese gets back. Could he really be that much worse than a Brendan Miles who hits liners instead of lucky pop-ups? Miles is still on the roster (MO’s fault too).
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
i can see it in a pinch
if say, lopez can’t go. But as a solution there is no reason to look here in the middle of a season.
this thread is all Aaron Mile's fault.
I agree with this.
I’ve seen Craig play third several times in the minors, and I don’t get where he’s awful. He’s not great, but as you say, he isn’t any worse than Lopez, I don’t believe. I wish they would at least consider giving him a chance while we’re searching for some way to grind through the injury issues.
Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!
by the red baron on Jul 29, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
floppy 3rd
tea 2nd
boog ss
let it ride for a while
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
Miguel Tejada would be a terrible idea.
Tejada’s 2010 wOBA is .296, hitting in Camden Yards for his home games. That is worse than Skip Schumaker’s wOBA. Lets get someone based on their current talent level, rather than former.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
i guess they'd just be hoping for a cesar cedeno-type resurrection
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Well...
For one, he’s going to be facing some of the toughtest pitching around being in the Al East. And secondly, you know full well that this years performance is no where near indicative of his “current” performance. ZIPS projects a .326 wOBA going forward.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 29, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah,
the pitching in the AL East is good, but there are also some of the most hitter-friendly parks around in that division. I would also suggest that Tejada is no better a bet than Skip Schumaker, which was the primary thrust behind my post (albeit poorly articulated). Skip has a ZiPS RoS projected wOBA of .325 himself.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Also
Jaime may have not got the win… but this is the second time he bested Santana on national TV.
this thread is all Aaron Mile's fault.
Damn right
I watched some of the Mets’ broadcast and they were well aware of that as well. After Jaime’s rough first inning they gave him lots of compliments.
love the hockey reference
Iirc those were hilarious pics.
by sdrone on Jul 29, 2010 9:19 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Tee-hee.
Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!
by the red baron on Jul 29, 2010 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions
"and as I said I'm trying to finish this quickly"
a mere 1,500 words later, here we are. i nominate RB for some political office.
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jul 29, 2010 9:20 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Give him a teleprompter
and he’d be off and running.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Jul 29, 2010 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I know.
Still took me almost two hours to finish, even after trying to get an early start. Bah.
Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!
by the red baron on Jul 29, 2010 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Even so
More coherent than I would have been able to do that early…..
Looks like I picked the wrong day to quit sniffing glue....
by Futility Infielder on Jul 29, 2010 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
I think it comes down to keeping our head above water until Freese comes back
Teams don’t trade good middle-infielders for less than a king’s ransom, for the same reason that they don’t trade young, good pitching.
Lopez at 2B and Greene at SS would likely keep columns like this from needing to be written.
Play ball!
and Craig at 3B until Freese is back?
Looks like I picked the wrong day to quit sniffing glue....
by Futility Infielder on Jul 29, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
i don't think freese .341 wOBA
is really the piece that’s missing that’s causing this team to play this poorly
"He’s in his own world out there. He says he doesn’t cuss. I disagree." - Skip Schumaker on Jason Motte
STOP TRYING TO TRADE SHELBY MILLER!!
It may not be *the* piece, but it is certainly a piece.
Plugging a .341 wOBA into third base allows TLR to shift Lopez and his .333 wOBA to a MIF slot, replace Skip and his ~.300 wOBA at 2B or Brendan Ryan and his .277 wOBA at SS. At any rate, it certainly couldn’t hurt.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
yep, one piece changes everyone's roles
happens in bullpens all the time.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Contribution on offense
[Ryan] does not have to do anything on offense much more than what Yadier Molina does on offense.
I disagree. I don’t think you can be successful and have two field positions with little to no offensive production. Especially when you have less than HOF numbers from Albert. I think in the AL you might get away with two weak bats in the field because you are adding a bat with the DH.
"They're so stunned they didn't even boo!"
John Rooney 5/3/10 referring to Philly fans on Cards 5-run 7th inning
Don't hold back RB, tell us how you really feel.
Gotta agree with that assessment of our situation. I don’t really see who we can bring in. Unless we can pry Drew away from AZ, but that’s gonna cost a bundle too. We just don’t have enough cookies in the jar to work with.
Loved the hockey reference though. (What pics? I guess I missed those.)
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 29, 2010 9:45 AM EDT reply actions
Thanks RR.
What a beautiful way to celebrate, and I’ll bet that’s exactly what he was thinking. Either that, or it was the most expensive BJ in history.
I think I did it wrong though when I got engaged. I don’t remember her crying or taking a pic and sending it to her friends.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 29, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
That ring was probably worth more than my house,
so there’s that.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
This is all just so terribly wrong
This sort of phenomenon (celebrities being ridiculous and then thousands if not millions of people engaging in this bizarre and creepy mixture of voyeuristic love and cynical disdain of the stuff they do) makes me think that maybe the terrorists have a point about western civilization.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
I couldn't care less who does what to whom.
I just thought it was funny. I would’ve thought it was funny if it were two of the biggest nobody’s that ever lived. Made even funnier if she showed any kind of feigned indignation over the pics. Because they get photographed all the time and should know better to do things like that in a room full of windows in broad daylight.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 29, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Ack
I didn’t mean that towards you guys. I meant the people who actually go to the effort of spying on celebrities doing this stuff, make a living by creating websites about it, obsess over it, etc. etc. You know, the culture thing in general.
Clearly our obsession over baseball is far more healthy, right?
Right?
… guys?
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Gotcha matty.
You’re correct that it is a sad state of affairs. On the flip-side, the celebs and quasi-celebs that do things like that, have to know that somebody is out there doing it and either don’t care or use it in the “any publicity is good publicity” mode.
Of course our obsession over baseball is healthier. We’re for all things good and right in America. Baseball, hot dogs, apple pie and Chevrolet. Everything that Adam Dunn hates. Just because we purposely seek out others like ourselves and schedule our lives around a game time and keep tabs on all the things that our favorite players like to do……..ummm……..yeah.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 29, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Umm, I hate to burst your bubble Forsch
but Adam Dunn LOVES apple pie, hot dogs, and just about everything else edible.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
Everyone knows American food adds muscle.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
i heard he boycotted freedom fries
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I think you're confusing him with Fielder.
If Dunn really loves pie, he’d be playing for a team in the midwest. Because we make the best pie and everyone knows it. The whole BFIB thang ya know. Oh wait, that’s just us? Damn, I don’t know where he’d play. He’s really tall, could he play 3B?
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 29, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
VEB: We're all out of pies.
"He’s in his own world out there. He says he doesn’t cuss. I disagree." - Skip Schumaker on Jason Motte
STOP TRYING TO TRADE SHELBY MILLER!!
No, Adam Dunn does not love applie pie or hot dogs.
He loves kung pao chicken, pelmeni and other communistic dishes.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Pirogi too
And Kimchi, but only the northern authoritarian varieties.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
I could really go for some
oppressive cabbage pickling right about now.
Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!
by the red baron on Jul 29, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh god, not Kimchi.
Was taking summer classes at college one year, and roomed with a native Korean who had a kimchi pot in the room and somehow decided it would be a good idea to make his own, rather than eating in the cafeteria.
When I complained, I was told by res life and housing to be more sensitive to intercultural needs. There was swearing.
Not Red Baron level swearing, mind you. I can’t approach that level of CUSS+, but swearing nonetheless.
At least it wasn't that Taiwanese stinky tofu stuff
That’s nightmarish stuff. I’ve only ever seen it on television and I’m terrified of it.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
you're referring to the smell?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
intercultural needs is one thing.....
making kimshi in a 10 X 10 room borders on torture.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Indeed.
Funnily enough, after about two weeks of this, the clay pot he used mysteriously disappeared. It showed up about two days later, smashed into dozens of pieces on the other side of campus.
Oddly enough, it was right where the WWII era chemical weapons were buried.
"Black Swan"
Darren Aronofsky’s new film is finished and will come out the end of this year!
:=8D
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
MLBTR has had a couple mentions of Mo talking to the Orioles re: Tejada
Miklasz says there’s “no traction” on the deal.
Frankly, I don’t see how that could help us. We already have 5 suspect MIs; we need more quality, not quantity.
Could Colby Rasmus hit a ball so hard that even he couldn't catch it?
Tejada would be a suspect 3B
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.
i wouldn't count Lopez as Suspect
and right now, I wouldn’t count him as an MI either.
this thread is all Aaron Mile's fault.
He's a suspect defender at SS
I like his bat, esp. at 2B (where he should be playing, once Freese returns).
I guess I’m having a hard time separating him from the general suspect…ness of the other 4.
Could Colby Rasmus hit a ball so hard that even he couldn't catch it?
by Cardinals645 on Jul 29, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
without lopex there would probably be gotay
who’s not much better than miles.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Sorry, I didn't mean to sound ungrateful for Lopez
In fact, I’m very grateful.
It’s just that his offense is a bit stretched at 3B, his defense is awful at SS, and the one position he’d be pretty good at (maybe even every day) is the position he plays the LEAST (besides P).
It’s not really Felipe’s fault, but his usage contributes to him being less than ideal. When Tony starts playing him nearly every day at 2B and no longer has him at SS (and Freese returns to take over 3B), he won’t be suspect any longer. In short, he’s suspect through no fault of his own, but rather through usage and circumstance.
Could Colby Rasmus hit a ball so hard that even he couldn't catch it?
by Cardinals645 on Jul 29, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah, i like him at second
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
tejada could play 3B while taking over for freese
and then be a backup SS. we might be able to DFA miles if we get tejada…
Albert's grand slam, 7/3/09
Waino's CG, 7/4/10
@zoomzoomj88
Fire Tony LaRussa
by zoomzoomj88 on Jul 29, 2010 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
haha if your last line happens then I'm ok with it
but please for the love of all that is holy, no extension for Tejada
Note: I doubt we actually get him. How many years running now have we heard the Cards linked to Tejada?
Yea, but Tejada sucks.
His 2010 wOBA is .296.
PS — We don’t need Tejada to DFA Miles; we should just DFA Miles. And you know we won’t anyway because TLR <3 AM.
Could Colby Rasmus hit a ball so hard that even he couldn't catch it?
by Cardinals645 on Jul 29, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
couldn't be any worse than lopez.
Albert's grand slam, 7/3/09
Waino's CG, 7/4/10
@zoomzoomj88
Fire Tony LaRussa
by zoomzoomj88 on Jul 29, 2010 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
but he has been worse than lopez.
this thread is all Aaron Mile's fault.
by Evilfrog on Jul 29, 2010 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Much, much, much worse than Lopez.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
one day you can tell us what exactly lopex did to your family
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Seriously
Lopez is good. Lopez is good. Lopez is good. It is not Felipe’s fault that Freese got injured and that he hasn’t been made the starting second baseman already. It is not Felipe’s fault that they never even tried playing Craig at third base. Lopez has only been a little worse than Freese this year.
I don’t dislike you or anything, but this irrational hatred of Felipe Lopez better be an elaborate joke (which I would think is kind of funny because of all the consistency and effort involved, even if it would be really bizarre) because it just doesn’t make any sense to keep complaining about Lopez when you should be happy he’s playing every night given the circumstances of the roster right now.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
i think it is probably zoomzoom's schtick
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I'm thinking it's gotta be
And if that’s the case it would be kind of funny, since he had me fooled for a while.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Felipe Lopez has been an absolute blessing for us this season.
I might even suggest that he has proven to be one of the best offseason signings for any club, given the way he has filled in for horribly performing MIFers and the injured Freese.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
At this point, it's just for attention I believe.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
He projects to be average going forward
I sure hope you are aren’t projecting him from 400 plate appearances this year, especially given that he’s likely facing some of the toughest pitching in baseball and was well above average last year.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 29, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
When I first read this
I thought you were saying that Tony is less than three in the morning… which didn’t make much sense. Irrational love of Aaron Miles makes even less sense, however.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
I thought that too.
It was very confusing. But kind of awesome for some reason.
Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!
by the red baron on Jul 29, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
That honestly didn't occur to me
I was typing out Miles, but then thought of those big hearts carved in trees with lovers’ initials in them.
Could Colby Rasmus hit a ball so hard that even he couldn't catch it?
by Cardinals645 on Jul 29, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
just stick Craig at 3B
it’s the easy solution and avoid picking up more Jocketty type retreads. He can’t be worse defensively at 3B than Lopez and it allows Lopez to play at 2B/SS thereby upgrading those positions.
by jjray on Jul 29, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
he can be worse than Lopez at 3B
it’s also dicking him around a little. However, I have faith in him at 3rd. But for whatever reason or Minor league development team did not have faith in him there.
this thread is all Aaron Mile's fault.
I'm glad that other people are picking up on this idea.
I used to be a man alone in the wilderness.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I've been saying the Craig at 3B
for some time. Evil, minor league development may think Craig is not a long term solution at 3B. That premise should have been thrown out the window the day Freese went on the DL. When assessing the options, the team first considers starting Lopez at 3B knowing this is his worst defensive position on the infield and it increases starts for Miles and Ryan. This is option is measured against the short term option of Craig at 3B. Any MLB starts for Craig helps his future. Letting him take a shot at 3B can in no way be a negative in my mind. The Cardinals organization has labeled him unable to play 3B. Meaning Craig cannot hurt his value as a 3B by giving it a go because the Cardinals have placed such a low value there. If Craig is able to show that he can indeed play 3B at or above Lopez level that raises Craig’s value as a player. I think not trying Craig at 3B hurts both the team and Allen Craig … and I can’t get over the thought that this course of action is partially so Tony can play Miles more.
The organization made that decision a while ago.
They chose Freese over Craig at third.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Memo--Freese is on the DL
Issue: what to do in the interim. Decision turns on whether there is a better internal option than playing Lopez at 3B. The fact that Freese is a better 3B than Craig is irrelevant to the issue.
put holliday back at third
and craig in left. this is just as likely to happen.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
ok
So we are looking at Craig for Lopez.
Craig: My minor league system tells me he can’t play 3rd base. I have only seen him there a handful of games during spring training.
Lopez: Has had 757.3 Innings of playing third in the Majors prior to this year. I have seen him play 85.1 of those innings and know he can get the job done.
i dunno. Still doesn’t seem like a move that any manager would make will in the middle of a divisional race.
this thread is all Aaron Mile's fault.
It's not an either/or, though.
This is a manager who played Joe Thurston there, continued to play the defensive inept Mark DeRosa there, was open to playing Joey Bombs there, has given Aaron Miles starts there, and who shifted Skip Schumaker from LF to 2B a couple of weeks prior to Spring Training. The point of this move is to shift Lopez back to the MIF, so that we don’t have Brendan and Skip starting at the same time. An infield with Craig at 3B, Pujols at 1B, Lopez at SS or 2B, and either Ryan or Skip would be much better than an IF with Ryan/Skip/Miles in the MIF and Lopez at 3B.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
about this
An infield with Craig at 3B, Pujols at 1B, Lopez at SS or 2B, and either Ryan or Skip would be much better than an IF with Ryan/Skip/Miles in the MIF and Lopez at 3B.
I’m almost positive you are right. I would not be against it. But I can see why a major league manager would be hesitant in our situation to do that.
Would also be nice to give Craig a few starts at third in Memphis, since he is down there and all…
this thread is all Aaron Mile's fault.
truly
who/what is howard doing at 3rd in memphis?
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
Both Evilfrog and you hit the nail on the head.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Report from the game last night:
News flash: Mets fans suck. As the game wore on, more and more Mets fans left. I swear, by the 13th I think there were almost as many Cards fans there as Mets fans—and the Cards did have an impressive turn-out, by the way. As the seats emptied, Cards fans passing by would join up with us, to the point that by the end we pretty much dominated a whole section, much to the chagrin of the few straggling Mets fans. Also, Mets fans suck at holding up their end of a little good natured back and forth..we were chanting, cheering, talking a little trash (apparently they showed us on ESPN) and the only response we got from most people was either disgusted looks (cheering? at a sports match? cut it out, I say!) or threats to fight us. Idiots, that’s not how it works. They might be worse than Cubs fans in that regard. No, no…I take that back. All in all though, a great, long night at the ballpark.
So why aren't we interested in Clint Barmes??
http://twitter.com/TroyRenck/status/19783577915
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
As a Cards fan who lives in Denver..
I can sum that up in one word: UGH. Nice glove, brutal stick, especially when in a slump.
Looks like I picked the wrong day to quit sniffing glue....
by Futility Infielder on Jul 29, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
As brutal as:
.198/.264/.282? ’cause that is Boog this year, nice glove aside…
:=8/
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
His lines are better than that, yes
but I remember watching how awful he was in Sept-Oct last year. He was a more automatic out than the pitchers….. his OPS+ this year is 80, whereas Greene is 105. I’d rather see him out there with Lopez at 2B.
Looks like I picked the wrong day to quit sniffing glue....
by Futility Infielder on Jul 29, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
by him, I mean Greene
Looks like I picked the wrong day to quit sniffing glue....
by Futility Infielder on Jul 29, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Me too...
…but if we got barmes we cud stick him out there with greene and flop, at least until freese comes back
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
...
Pujols says he’ll play today.
Albert's grand slam, 7/3/09
Waino's CG, 7/4/10
@zoomzoomj88
Fire Tony LaRussa
mets lineup
Reyes SS, Pagan LF, Beltran CF, Davis 1B, Hessman 3B, Thole C, Francoeur Rf, Cora 2B, Dickey P
Albert's grand slam, 7/3/09
Waino's CG, 7/4/10
@zoomzoomj88
Fire Tony LaRussa
According to Rosenthal
Happ is one of the three players in the Oswalt deal. Wow. I’m glad Mo didn’t trade Garcia for him
garcia? when was he going to be traded?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
sorry, i'm saying Garcia is the equivalent of trading Happ for Oswalt (roughly)
I don’t think Mo ever considered including Garcia, and for good reason
garcia is much better than happ, imo
and i think happ has only made a couple starts this year.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
yeah, he's been injured
but I seem to recall it was a forearm injury, so probably nothing that will really hamper him long term
Just came off the DL....
I think he’s only made one start for Philly this year.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
precisely
in other words trading a player representing all those for a pitcher making 16 mil = short-sighted and frankly, stupid. So I’m glad we’re out of the Oswalt sweepstakes. There’s no way I want Mo to attempt to top that deal. Right now Garcia is better than Oswalt, and I wouldn’t at all be surprised if Happ, when healthy, is better than Oswalt next year. This is all assuming Rosenthal is correct of course.
"short-sighted and frankly, stupid"
well yeah, that pretty much describes the Phillies FO as of late. That team is in real danger of being the present-day Cubs in a few years.
Wow
I’m not convinced that Happ isn’t better than Oswalt right now.
this thread is all Aaron Mile's fault.
c'mon, oswalt is still really good
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
so is Happ
If I had one game and my choice was start Happ or Oswalt I would really have to take time and think about it.
this thread is all Aaron Mile's fault.
ok, i must really underestimate happ
i never really thought he was that good – a 3 or 4 starter.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Last year, his first full season in the majors
he had a sub 3.00 ERA with a 4.33 FIP. Which is awesome for a first season. Which makes Jaime’s season look even better!
He's pretty good,
but I think Evil is overestimating him a bit. His peripherals point toward a #3 guy, but his ERA was much better. I think he’s a good mid-rotation guy on a high-quality team. I wouldn’t personally put him in the same class as a Roy Oswalt, though, even at this point in Oswalt’s career.
Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!
by the red baron on Jul 29, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe a #2 by peripherals.
I should look more closely. I stand by my conclusion.
Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!
by the red baron on Jul 29, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
halladay, hamels, oswalt will be a pretty formidable 3 if they make the playoffs
i like the move by philly. of course, had they just kept lee…
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
If they had just kept Lee.
I doubt we’re having any of these conversations.
Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!
by the red baron on Jul 29, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
But it destroys their wonderful rotation alliteration.
Halladay, Hamles, Happ is so much more fun to say.
seems the phillies disagree we me too.
I mean, i’m just a frog on the internet.
this thread is all Aaron Mile's fault.
Wait, you're really a frog?
Jesus, that’s even more impressive than having a cow around! What does a frog do for a living to afford a computer?
Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!
by the red baron on Jul 29, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
What's odd is
they flat-out refused to include Happ in the Cliff Lee deal last season (or was it Halladay?), but now look as if they’re using him for Oswalt. I wonder if the injury has coloured their opinion, or if they’ve changed their tune on him for some other reason.
Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!
by the red baron on Jul 29, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
add in some desperation to make the playoffs to the mix
they didn’t have that last year.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
That's very true.
Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!
by the red baron on Jul 29, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree.
Especially if you signed a bunch of aging players to large deals.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Last night
I wasn’t in the game thread, so I’m sure this was beat to death. But why in blue hell did TLR pull Motte so Reyes could immediately walk a lefty on 4 pitches. A lefty with a reverse split no less. Really? Motte comes in to get 1 out? What did I miss?
the whole lefty-lefty matchup most likely.
it just seems to me that reyes can’t get lefties out. he walks them half the time.
Albert's grand slam, 7/3/09
Waino's CG, 7/4/10
@zoomzoomj88
Fire Tony LaRussa
by zoomzoomj88 on Jul 29, 2010 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Lefties hit more for
280 / .390 / .440 / .830 over his career and
.298 / .384 / .483 / .867 This year.
this thread is all Aaron Mile's fault.
hit Motte not more
for comparison Reyes Career:
.234 / .329 / .330 /.659
and this year:
.263 /.382 /.368 /.751
Reyes came in to face two lefties not one. He didn’t get either out though. Many many managers would make this move. I wouldn’t say it was a mistake to remove Motte and keep Reyes in. But Tony said it was a mistake.
this thread is all Aaron Mile's fault.
The big question
isn’t so much why bring in the lefty, but why that lefty was Reyes instead of Miller who can actually get hitters out.
Miller did pitch an inning the night before
and the last time Reyes was used was the 25th.
this thread is all Aaron Mile's fault.
probably for good reason
sorry, but i’m pretty down on diner this year. i hope he’s not under contract for next year, because he looks about done to me.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
hey,
I’m all for DFA’ing the guy. He isn’t getting the job done like he should. But I don’t think it’s a huge mistake for Tony to bring him out there. Reyes shouldn’t have walked the first batter on 4 pitches, and he shouldn’t have given up the hit. He is a LOOGY. He had two guys and only had to get one out. LOOGYs need to do that.
Obviously Tony made a mistake by taking out Motte. He even acknowledge that it was a mistake. I disagree though. I would say that 7 times out of 10 Reyes get’s the first guy out, and 7 times out of 10 he gets the second guy out.
help out with the match here. Independent odds. is just A * B right?
so a 30% is just .2 * .2 = .04…
so a 1 out of 10 times that Tony bring a Reyes in to face two lefties we should expect what happen last night to happen. That Reyes lets both of them get on base.
this thread is all Aaron Mile's fault.
er.... sorry
should be .3 * .3. I was originally using BA but instead decided to use OBP.
this thread is all Aaron Mile's fault.
you missed the fact that a space alien
has invaded the body of TLR and is running him by remote control. the space alien used to just mess with Cardinal nation occasionally in years past but he’s become more hands on in 2010.
I think I disagree with your description of the extent to which this space alien meddles.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
reasonable minds can differ
on the issue of TLR’s mental health.
I just finished writing about that for the RFT
about ten minutes ago. It’s a very grumpy read; TLR and his adherence to certain concepts and beliefs absolutely drives me up a wall.
Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!
by the red baron on Jul 29, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Is there a good link to find your stuff
on RFT? I always have a bitch of a time finding your work over there.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Nope.
Ever since we did the site redesign, everyone I know complains to me about how hard it is to find anything. It’s always in the Daily RFT section, but there’s no more specific link than that. My friend Travis took to searching the site by my name to find posts; unfortunately that may actually be the easiest thing.
Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!
by the red baron on Jul 29, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Ya, I just did the same.....
First hit is a story from last year. It won’t even take a guy to your most recent stuff. I’ve tried clicking on tags as well. Really poor search design. They must’ve taken cues from the PD.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
It's frustrating, I know.
I wish it were a better design.
Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!
by the red baron on Jul 29, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
This tag seems to work.....
http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/dailyrft/sports/aaron_schafer/
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
i see what you are getting at with you comparison of brendan ryan but i think hes had a flukey start to the season
For example pujols is cursed with a babip around 285 this season and of course his numbers are down and everyone is complaining about it. Hasn’t “boog” also had some babip bad luck? Sure he has a bit of a mental problem which manifests in streakiness (yes even a bit defensively) but he is very very good at defense. He saves our groundballing pitching staff in many ways so I’m not ready to throw him under the proverbial bus just yet) RB.
In other news trade talks for tejada have lost traction thank goodness for that
chief justice
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 29, 2010 10:15 AM EDT reply actions
i don't think apu's babip can all be attributed to bad luck
popups generally get caught.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Pujols, BABIP, and Batted Ball Data.
Pujols’s BABIP was .299 last season. It is .289 this season. His LD% was 15.6% last season. It is 18% this season. Last season, his FB% was 45.7% and this season it is 44%. He may be a bit unlucky, but not that unlucky at all. Certainly not as unlucky as Brendan Ryan or Skip Schumaker.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Yeah, and Pujols generally doesn't hit popups
His IFFB rate is slightly higher than his career average, and his LD rate is slightly lower. That doesn’t explain a BABIP .025 points lower
by vivaelpujols on Jul 29, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
a lot of those popups get caught by outfielders, too
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Do you have any evidence he's popping up more this year than in recent years?
by vivaelpujols on Jul 30, 2010 2:52 AM EDT up reply actions
well, he's hitting cans of corn
is there anything besides hit f/x that can provide evidence?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
babip
There has to be some swing mechanics in there. Sure Pujols has his a lot of popups (seemingly) but much of the bad luck seems like line drives smoked at people. (Anyone with numbers to support of disagree?)
To me, visually Ryan just rolls over on pitch after pitch. To me that makes it seem like most of his batted balls will be putouts.
Check this out
Boog’s babip on grounders is .191; on flies it’s .067; on liners it’s .622.
Because of his lack of power I might expect these to be a bit lower than average, but that much is a bit of a stretch, which tells me he’s still getting really unlucky.
אנא טוני לא יותר ט.א.ס.ס
how does that suggest he is getting unlucky?
What is the normal babip on grounders, flies, and liners?
this thread is all Aaron Mile's fault.
Batted Ball Hit Average
From The Baseball Analysts:
The location of groundballs along with the batter’s speed seem to have the most influence on groundball hit rate, confirming our suspicions. Hitting the ball the other way forces a longer throw, and busting it down the line on grounders is probably the most advantageous way a player can utilize his speed. Velocity of groundballs was difficult to account for. Line drive percentage and grounded into double play percentage, which are likely tied with the hardness of a groundball hit, proved insignificant. Many of you might know the split in batted ball hit average is about .715 on liners, .235 on grounders, and .140 on fly balls. Now, we can break that down further with this data. Lefties hit for a lower average on grounders than righties by about 10-15 points. Opposite field grounders and grounders up the middle from lefties go for hits on average about 30% of the time, while pulled grounders go for hits only 15-20% of the time. Interestingly, hitting homeruns has a negative impact on pulled and total groundball average, but is one of the most significant positively correlated variables that go into opposite field average. One guess is that power hitters tend to hit weaker groundballs to the right side when they roll over their wrists. Or perhaps they pull the ball into a shift, which seems to be supplied only to power hitters due to a likely managerial bias. But when these homerun hitters do hit opposite field groundballs, however rarely, they are apparently more likely to go for hits than opposite field grounders from slash hitters.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
lefties hit less on grounders?
Weird… I also thought they would hit higher due to having an easier time legging out infield hits by being closer to first base.
I’ve been lied too all these years.
this thread is all Aaron Mile's fault.
i guess when they roll over on a pitch
and ground out to second, there’s a much lower chance of throwing error or just beating it out?
i just picture the automatic out that is skips grounders to second
"He’s in his own world out there. He says he doesn’t cuss. I disagree." - Skip Schumaker on Jason Motte
STOP TRYING TO TRADE SHELBY MILLER!!
the shift helps too
more grounders are fielded for outs.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
you get what im saying though
chief justice
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 29, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
yes
As in, I would have a really low babip if I played in the majors too, which is because I suck, not because I’m unlucky.
It's because you don't hit the ball hard
Which is why you include LD% when citing BABIP
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
i wouldn't
doubt I would get a ball into play for me to have an average on.
this thread is all Aaron Mile's fault.
ah, so you're brendan ryan ;)
chief justice
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 29, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
How?
BABIP is a huge source of random variation in baseball, and it’s one that tends to cluster up around the mean. Pujols having a .285 BABIP definitely implies he’s getting unlucky, as does Ryan’s ~.230 BABIP.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 29, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not disagreeing,
but I would like to make sure that everyone is on the same page. So I want to clarify that Brendan Ryan has been far more unlucky this season than Pujols. Here are each of their LD%/GB%/FB%/IFH%/BABIP/BA:
Pujols: 18%/37.9%/44%/6.5%/.289/.298
Ryan: 19%/44.5%/36.5%/3.2%/.247/.198
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
meh.... he is getting unluckier
but those batted ball data types seem misleading a bit…. i mean his groundballs i undersand are mostly as slow as Yadier Molina groundballs (hence out every time) and his line drives aren’t the same as Pujols… for instance, for some reason I’m doubting that Ryan is hitting harder hit balls than Pujols in their line drives
like for instance, Pujols probably hits bullets in say 9 out of 10 of his line drives with soft liners as one and Ryan is probably like 5 and 5
the only noticeable unlucky thing I see is that whenever he drives a ball deep it goes right to the outfielder which is extremely irritating because those are his best hit balls theoretically speaking
Rasmus can hit lefties
cardinalred
St. Louis Sports blog
by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 30, 2010 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Some of the trade suggestions seem silly
I don’t see why Florida would trade uggla, why toronto would trade hill (and really why would we give up anything for a guy who is hitting 200 anyway?) why Arizona would trade drew (his offense may be an upgrade but his defense will be a downgrade).
As far as Tampa goes, the only middle infielder I can see them trading is Bartlett since he’s a non tender candidate after the season because they want to drop payroll below 60 mil.
Also, we value Craig/jay/Anderson WAY more than anyone else (I don’t, I like prospects and all but I’ll happily trade them for proven major league players any time).
by lopey986 on Jul 29, 2010 10:26 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Uggla will likely be moved
relatively soon because he’s getting expensive. Hill you would probably have to blow Toronto away with an offer. Drew I doubt the DBacks move, but he’s also probably their best piece if they feel a need to rebuild. Tough to say.
Bartlett might not be a bad idea, actually. He’s not a huge upgrade, but if he would come relatively affordably he could certainly help out. Really like the glove.
Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!
by the red baron on Jul 29, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Can someone explain why Hill is desireable?
He’s having an awful year. Why would we give decent prospects for him?
Now, if he’s been hurt or his girlfriend left him or there is some other reason he may get better, I’m all for it, but he really sucks this year.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
i'm pretty sure he began the season injured
so maybe he’s just never gotten it together. i think he’d be a long-term move, not a stop-gap.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Buy-low is always a good idea
I’m looking at Luis Valbuena as a buy-low throw-in candidate in any trade for Westbrook. He looks to have figured out AAA and could be a good Floppy replacement at 2B next year. (Assuming Freese comes back soon and effective.)
Guys like Bradley are exactly why we can't have a pumpkin patch anymore.
Disagree
A good friend of mine is a stock broker, and his motto is “if the stock is low, it’s likely for a reason that will make it go lower”. I think it’s similar with players: there’s a reason that value declines, and it’s foolish to think that our organization is the only one that is smart enough to figure out BABIP luck, etc.
"I have CDO. It's like OCD, but the letters are in alphabetical order. Like they should be."
Your friend must be a shitty stockbroker
There are a million examples of good buy low deals, hell our rotation is basically one big example of what buying low can net you. Whoever says “never buy low” is missing out on a ton of good opportunities.
by lopey986 on Jul 29, 2010 12:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Chasing the market around
and never getting in front of a good thing.
Guys like Bradley are exactly why we can't have a pumpkin patch anymore.
Florida already said they plan to extend uggla
So I doubt they would be dying to trade him.
by lopey986 on Jul 29, 2010 12:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
could be rhetoric, don't you think?
so as not to appear desperate to move him? i really can’t see them extending him – maybe, but unlikely.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
i must reiterate how awesome it is we probably wont be getting tejada. rejoice cardinal nation!!!
chief justice
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 29, 2010 10:40 AM EDT reply actions
Agreed.
The notion of actually trading something of value for Miguel Tejada at this point makes me feel like I passed on the blowfish at dinner and the guy at the next table just dropped over dead.
Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!
by the red baron on Jul 29, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
Sometimes you have to ride that positive energy after not making a really stupid decision, because, since life is weird like that, there was a chance you actually were gonna do the stupid thing in the first place.
Is there some player who really likes Tejada or something? It seems like there’s been at least a hint of a rumor of us trading for him the last two or three years. I don’t get it.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
I don't know.
It’s odd. Maybe Albert likes him or something, but his name does seem to pop up quite a bit, and I don’t really understand why.
Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!
by the red baron on Jul 29, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
TLR likes him, if I'm not mistaken.
I would leave it to Yadi2Second to uncover the specific quotes. This season, we seem to have latched on to acquiring players based on how TLR remembers them their skills as opposed to what their skills actually are at this point in time.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
and mo has mentioned a "clubhouse guy" more than a few times
tejada is definitely seen as that. and yes, tony likes him, so it’s pretty scary they agree.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
tlr likes almost everyone who was good
doesn’t have much use for those who might be good in the future
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
its mainly tlr i think
chief justice
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 29, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Goodness, yes.
Past couple of years this rumour gets bandied about and it makes less and less sense every damn year.
Oswalt to Phillies agreed to.
Only needs Roy’s approval. Per ESPN.
Blech.
Phucking Phillies. I hate those guys.
Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!
by the red baron on Jul 29, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
I hope he likes getting booed.
'Don't kiss an ass if its in the process of shitting on you.'
Fire Tony LaRussa
Agree with your assessment of Ryan
He just doesn’t or cannot get it. However, he is defensively so much better than Greene that I would never consider Greene as the starting SS this season, Perhaps in the future, but defensively, Greene just isn’t ready for prime time IMO. I like the idea of Lopez sliding over to 2nd base when Frieze comes back, though I am worried about the latter’s production when he does come off the DL. If there were someone out there that would help us offensively but still played well enough defensively at 2b or SS, I would be okay with getting them if it didn’t cost the Cards an arm and a leg. My guess is that they will stand pat there and try to get a 2nd or 3rd tier starter to replace either Suppan or Hawksworth. Hopefully Lohse will be better when and if he comes back than he was before we had the surgery.
Frieze? Did you mean this guy....girl, I never could tell...

'Don't kiss an ass if its in the process of shitting on you.'
Fire Tony LaRussa
by Heisenberg on Jul 29, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Rec'd
for a Dragonball reference.
Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!
by the red baron on Jul 29, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Thank you.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Thank you, Cpt. Obvious.
'Don't kiss an ass if its in the process of shitting on you.'
Fire Tony LaRussa
Captain Obvious wasn't a member of the Ginyu force.
Captain Ginyu was, though.
I wish Captain Obvious had been.
His powers would have been outstanding, I have no doubt.
Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!
by the red baron on Jul 29, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Im trying to remember all the members...there was Jeice, Guldo...
and thats all I can remember.
'Don't kiss an ass if its in the process of shitting on you.'
Fire Tony LaRussa
Berter and Recoom
All SP is incorrect (probably)
Could Colby Rasmus hit a ball so hard that even he couldn't catch it?
by Cardinals645 on Jul 29, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
In roughly ascending order of power...
Guldo, Recoome, Burter, Jeice, Captain Ginyu.
lol not to get all technical in the DBZ discussion
But I don’t think that’s right. Recoome was stronger I think than Burter and Jeice, just much dumber and had less authority. Also, Burter was supposed to be faster (maybe even more so than the Capt.).
The order they were killed is not necessarily the order of strength.
Could Colby Rasmus hit a ball so hard that even he couldn't catch it?
by Cardinals645 on Jul 29, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah,
note that I said “rougly.”
As I recall, Recoome was all brawn, no speed (his Cardinal equivalent is, well, there really isn’t one. Looking back at the roster, maybe McGwire?) , Burter was insanely fast, but had relatively little strength and got more out of his abilities than Recoome did (a la Fernando Vina in his prime), Jeice was thought to have some combination of Recoome’s steength and Burter’s speed (thinking Holliday here).
Guldo looked like a toad and could stop time, but had no real other outstanding power, per se (like imagine Miles, only with the ability to stop time).
Captain Ginyu just stole the body of whoever he encountered that was more powerful than him. (Dusty Baker with young pitchers’ arms.)
hahaha nice comparisons
And yea, I saw “roughly” after I clicked “post” and instantly regretted it.
Could Colby Rasmus hit a ball so hard that even he couldn't catch it?
by Cardinals645 on Jul 29, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
This is a Frieze

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.
Huh?
he is defensively so much better than Greene that I would never consider Greene as the starting SS this season, Perhaps in the future, but defensively, Greene just isn’t ready for prime time IMO.
With his offense, if Greene is even average defensively (and there is no reason to think he can’t be or won’t be), he is a significant upgrade at SS over Brendan Ryan. It is not 1986, where you can have a shortstop OPSing .500 and get away with it.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I think Greene is better defensively
than you think. He’s certainly not the calibre of Ryan, but I think he’s an average-ish defender at short. He’s got the tools, and the numbers don’t hate him. I think he’s gotten a bad rap for a couple of ugly missed plays.
Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!
by the red baron on Jul 29, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
I believe we have classified it as a "rocket arm."
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
manrockets
"He’s in his own world out there. He says he doesn’t cuss. I disagree." - Skip Schumaker on Jason Motte
STOP TRYING TO TRADE SHELBY MILLER!!
He does have a remarkable arm.
You know, with guys like Greene who are up and down from the majors to minors, I wonder how much, if any, they struggle because they’re looking over their shoulders, trying desperately to be absolutely perfect. It’s certainly not anything you could quantify, but I wonder if that’s a factor sometimes in young players who seem to struggle with their consistency or concentration at times.
Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!
by the red baron on Jul 29, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
do you have a good link for that?
Stupid Sexy Flanders!!!
by timmycardinals on Jul 29, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
After the commentary
on FESPN last night, I’m sure the world was expecting to wake up and Albert would be in a coma. “There’s just something physically not right” … “He’s not the same Albert”. It’s a good thing Joe Morgan wasn’t his partner or I prolly would have gone on a murderous rage last night.
"You have to admire
the way he gutted through this injury filled night"
by WyoCardsFan on Jul 29, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
AN IMPOSTOR!!!
You can tell from the birthmark!!!
Could Colby Rasmus hit a ball so hard that even he couldn't catch it?
by Cardinals645 on Jul 29, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
No Rasmus in the lineup again.
Tony fails to identify the better player yet again.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
Seriously?
GAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This shit is just driving me batty.
Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!
by the red baron on Jul 29, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Seriously, I'm pretty sure TLR hates Rasmus
Although I have no math to back this up.
'Don't kiss an ass if its in the process of shitting on you.'
Fire Tony LaRussa
Come on AZ
You know that Colby can’t hit lefties, didn’t you see him last night? oh wait, well maybe he can only hit really good lefties.
Lineup
Lopez
Jay
Albert
Holliday
Ludwick
Schumaker
Molina
Hawksworth
Greene
'Don't kiss an ass if its in the process of shitting on you.'
Fire Tony LaRussa
Please Santa (Mo) all I want for Christmas in July:
Lopez – 4
Craig – 5
AP – 3
Holliday – 7
CRaz – 8
Ludwick – 9
Molina – 2
Pitcher
Greene – 6
"They're so stunned they didn't even boo!"
John Rooney 5/3/10 referring to Philly fans on Cards 5-run 7th inning
That would be wonderful.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Can we move Holliday to second, Rasmus and Ludwick up a spot and Craig to sixth?
אנא טוני לא יותר ט.א.ס.ס
TLR's rationale
is that Jon Jay gives the Cardinals a better chance to win. This is, of course, very stupid, but this is a manager who has Aaron Miles on his team, played Aaron Miles at shortstop last night, and also insisted on playing Randy Winn against lefties over Rasmus once he acquired the Proven Veteran who can’t really hit lefties any longer.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
But we won, didn't we?
That’s all the rationale that TLR needs. And he wins enough to keep doing stupid things and keep his rationale.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 29, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Results-based, hindsight judgment of a decision.
Ah, how I miss this (il)logic.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
If it ever left us, I doubt I would miss it much.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 29, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
He is batting .236 during day games...there is that of course
'Don't kiss an ass if its in the process of shitting on you.'
Fire Tony LaRussa
Ok, this is not the reason. Skip is hitting .206 in day games.
And he is playing today.
'Don't kiss an ass if its in the process of shitting on you.'
Fire Tony LaRussa
I still think he's hurt
It’s not because he hates rookies. He is starting Jay in his stead.
this thread is all Aaron Mile's fault.
He looked fine last night.
I think Jay has meshed with LaRussa better — there’s smoke regarding a LaRussa-Colby disconnect though I haven’t seen the fire yet — and LaRussa is unable to separate his personal relationships from his baseball decisions.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
This is one of the more vexing TLR issues.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
does this make a colby trade possible?
I can’t see Mo giving in, but I can see Colby and his Dad demanding to get out. I would be so pissed, I might refuse to watch the rest of the season.
No.
Colby Rasmus will be and should be in St. Louis far longer than TLR.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Kelly Johnson
… has been above average offensively every season he has been healthy. He is a lefty bat to balance the lineup. His UZR is slightly below average (and much better than Skip). He is on a one-year $2.35M deal, and will be under team control next year as well. Arizona seems to be giving away players of value; surely the Cards can find a pitcher with a shiny winning percentage like Joe Saunders to make this deal happen?
well, he's a lefty bat just like skip is, though
and skip is under contract next year. if johnson is on a one-year deal, how is he under team control next year – is it an option, and for how much?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I believe Johnson
Still has 1 more year of arbitration next year. I’d rather have Johnson and stick skip on the bench as a utility 2nd baseman/outfielder.
by lopey986 on Jul 29, 2010 12:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
His home/away splits are kind of frightening, but I'm not sure how much that reflects his talent.
אנא טוני לא יותר ט.א.ס.ס
All 4 years
He has alternated. One year he hits great at home and the next great on the road etc.
by lopey986 on Jul 29, 2010 12:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Good god this knuckleball dude
is nuts. This pitch is all over the place….
Oh, but I love me some Jon Jay.
there are some very nice puns in this thread
nice job, peeps!
chief justice
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 29, 2010 12:25 PM EDT reply actions
Reading through the thread
its clear to me that TONY LA RUSSA and his overmanaging ass has caused us all to hate each other
And yes, tony does manage with his ass
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
That guy we gave a lot of money in the offseason to protect albert is dead to me...DEAD TO ME
MacDougal does seem to be a Duncan specialty
58% career GB% and a problem with walks. I legitimately have to fear they turn him into a starter though given that he throws 3 pitches…
Not afraid to nitpick
And that's worse than Soup how?
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 29, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
So let me get this straight
Ryan’s been a replacement level player this year, all while hitting worse than many pitchers and carrying a .226 BABIP (yeah, yeah, yeah, bullshit about “you have to hit it hard to have a high BABIP” but .226 is fucking unlucky, especially when Boog’s LD rate is right at his career average).
If Ryan hits to his career level (around a .300 wOBA), he’s a league average player over a full season (assuming +10 defense). I have no idea why you would give up on a player who very reasonably projects to be league average.
Unless you have evidence or some kind of reason to expect Ryan to continue to hit far worse than he ever has or continue to carry a .223 BABIP this is just a gut feeling, and IMO, not a particularly plausable one.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 29, 2010 2:30 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
can I please recommend this 7 times?
chief justice
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 29, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions

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