jay bird
by lboros on Jul 27, 2010 7:34 AM EDT
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danup is on the road and i am one step behind him --- on a flight this morning and out of pocket all day, so pls excuse my absence from the discussion thread. but i do have the time to toss together this quick post about jon jay, who enters tonight’s action with a .387 / .437 / .624 line in 106 plate appearances. didn’t take that one long to hatch, eh? a few thwacks to crack the shell in half, and now he’s hopped clear. i don’t reckon this chick will be returning to memphis again.
jay’s current batting line is kinda sorta historic. as far as i can tell (and i did a pretty thorough search using Baseball Reference’s play index and game logs), no cardinal has posted a batting average higher than .387 in his first 100 or more plate appearances --- at least, not since 1953, which is as far back as the play logs go. maybe george watkins or ducky medwick or jim bottomley had a hotter bat over his first 100 PA, but you’d have to go to the microfiche to find out. . . . anyway, i'm not partic’ly interested in whether jay has set some sort of weird record. i'm curious about how many similarly emphatic break-ins the cardinals have witnessed --- and what became of the players who compiled them. so here’s a short list of past cardinal rookies whose debuts most resembled jon jay’s:
terry pendleton, 1984
line through 99 PA: .387 / .404 / .452
called up on july 18 after barely two years in the minor leagues, pendleton rapped 27 hits in his first 56 at-bats for a .482 average. the league adjusted to him quickly --- he batted .255 / .288 / .345 in his next 55 at-bats, and .196 in the 56 at-bats after that --- but pendleton eventually counteradjusted. his overall line after the .482 start was .290 / .326 / .400. after his rookie year he only had one really good offensive season in st louis (1987) before eventually emerging as an mvp in atlanta; he lasted 15 years in the big leagues and started for four pennant winners. interestingly enough, jay has now matched pendleton’s .482 spurt --- he’s 27 for his last 56 dating back to may 31.
albert pujols, 2001
line through 102 PA: .370 / .431 / .739
albert wore the collar in only two of his first 25 major league starts. he was at .390 through 92 plate appearances, but a couple of 1-for-5s dropped him to .370 as he crossed the 100 PA threshold. pujols finished april at that figure, then followed up with marks of .333 and .330 in may and june. he slumped briefly (1 for 24) right before the All-Star break but then hit .336 in the second half. he has turned out to be a decent hitter.
willie mcgee, 1982
line through 118 PA: .357 / .376 / .464
i was in the stands for mcgee’s first big-league at-bat in early may 1982; he struck out on three pitches, the last of which was about eyebrow-high. he started the next day and went hitless, but then quietly began collecting singles as a late-game substitute. by the time he made his second start, two weeks after the first, willie was batting .308; he hit .364 over the next month, took the everyday centerfield job away from david green, and held it for the rest of the decade.
hal smith, 1956
line through 102 PA: .370 / .431 / .587
smith made an out in only 6 of his first 18 big-league plate appearances; the other 12 PA yielded 4 singles, 3 doubles, 2 homers, and 3 walks. he kept up a pretty respectable line (for a catcher) over the next 3 months, going .275 / .321 / .376; the grind finally caught up to him in september, when he batted .184. smith was an all-star the following year and again in 1959; a heart ailment cut short his career.
bo hart, 2003
line through 106 PA: .381 / .417 / .536
ah, hart! after his first week in the big leagues he was hitting .514 and slugging .771. i bet not even rogers hornsby could say that. . . . alas, bo’s second 105 PA produced results of .216 / .269 / .299, and the third and final act of 2003 was scarcely better (.235 / .269 / .353 over 110 PA). how quickly this game turned hartless . . . . .
ugh, that was awful. sorry. . . . ok, not sorry.
wally moon, 1954
line through 138 PA: .360 / .464 / .579
moon homered (off paul minner) in his first big-league at-bat; he had two 5-hit games and three 4-hit games in his first half-season, and he won the rookie of the year award. after four terrific seasons in st louis, he moved on to los angeles and won a couple of world series rings.
honorable mention: jd drew (.417 with 5 homers in 41 PA IN 1998), ken reitz (.359 average in 81 PA in 1972), and The Man (.426 in 49 PA in 1941).
except for hart, all of these hot-starting cards became long-term starters, and all (even ken reitz) had at least one all-star season; four of them (pujols, pendleton, mcgee, and musial) would eventually win MVP awards. i'm not predicting any such heights for jon jay, but i do think he has earned --- even in just 100+ PA --- a new degree of credibility. his ceiling appears to be higher than people gave him credit for. jay last appeared on the team’s BA top 10 prospect list in 2008, when he was ranked 10th; despite an outstanding year (.312 /.382 / .463) he fell off the list and came to be regarded as no better than a AAAA player (and maybe not even that). it's still too soon to project jay as a future everyday player (especially as a corner OF), but he’s no longer a longshot to earn that status. far from it. PECOTA liked his chances even before the 2010 breakout, and he clearly has earned the trust of the cardinal field staff. jay has displayed a blend of aggressiveness and plate discipline that other st louis hitters would do well to emulate.
given colby’s presence, it’s probably more likely than not that jay gets his chance somewhere else --- but the thought of time-sharing him in RF with craig next season (and saving ludwick’s salary) can no longer so easily dismissed as an HPGF pikpe dream. it's too damn bad the kid throws left-handed, or a couple years from now they’d have him starting at second base. . . . .
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Because Jon Jay could be our Ben Zobrist.
And I like that idea.
by Mulliganstew on Jul 27, 2010 7:56 AM EDT up reply actions
As far as I know
No infielders throw lefty, so jay will most likely never get a chance to be a zobrist (I say likely because la russa is an evil genius so he may stick jay’s ass at 2nd anyway)
Can you imagine
the athletic moves that would need to be made for a lefthanded secondbasemen to turn a 6-4-3 double play? It might cause the Earth’s rotation to change.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down and that foot is me
He'd need to spin better than Boog.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 27, 2010 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions
While growing a mustache?
I think that’s too much to ask of Jay.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Jay doesn't have a mustache type face.
I think he’d look funny with one. Kinda like A-rod or Jeter, it just wouldn’t carry well.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 27, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
babyface
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
of course....
we should do it the VEB way
and settle this with photoshop.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Life will find a way
See: Pete Gray and Jim Abbott
by martimeryard on Jul 27, 2010 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions
rotate in the opposite direction
it’s a bit slower, but it doesn’t feel that much more unnatural.
Of course, the ball ends up coming in at a more awkward angle (to the right of the 1B, rather than the left). So there’s that.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
it'd be tough
I would think it’d be even tougher to make the throw to first on grounders hit to a left-handed second baseman’s right.
You an get away with a lefty 3rd baseman.
I played 3rd in H.S. I’m lefty. You just have to be quick on your feet.
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
I'm obviously over simplifying a little there
Bunts were real entertaining sometimes.
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
wasn't tony the last guy to start a lefty in the infield (other than 1b)?
iirc, squires logged some time at third for the white sox, and i believe that was tony at the helm then.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Tony would
There needs to be a comic book villian named LaRussabrain
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jul 27, 2010 11:12 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
1983 and 84
Squires played 1 game (actually 1 inning) at 3rd for the playoff-bound ’83 White Sox, and 13 games (4 starts) at 3rd for the ’84 palehose. Fldg Pct 1.000.
by baked mcbride on Jul 27, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
J-Rod
John Rodriguez had a 1.000 OPS after his first 20 or so games, if I recall correctly. I was at a game where he went diving into the ivy at Wrigley to make a catch during this stretch. It was very Bo Hart-like.
But we won a WS with J-Rod
And Marquis, who never misses the playoffs!
How could we let them go?!
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jul 27, 2010 11:14 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
look what happened this year when marquis got hurt
the nats miss the playoffs.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saHs6J0OXVI
"What exactly is that thing? A pessimism meter?" - Bruce McCurdy
We know, MooCow. We know.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Meaning of Jay
I read all the prospect reports and it seems like these reports must be missing something. Jay, Ryan, Craig never seem to get any air time or have a handle as a marginal prospect and they they all come up and start to work their way onto the team. It seems we undervalue the ability for someone to perform as the 15-20th best player on a team. I think the farm system has been remarkable in coming up with these types of players. That’s why I still hold out hope for Kozma.
This team is worse than the sum of its parts because it doesn’t have any glue to hold the big pieces together. Jay adds that value. I think that’s why La Russa likes Miles. But I think it is coming together. Floppy does a nice job now at top of the order. I could see Jay being a solid number 2. If the Cards could upgrade at 2B with another table-setter and Lohse comes back, I don’t think we can be beaten. Still would like to reel in Oswalt to portect against a Garcia meltdown — if they can do that for the B+ package that pulled in Haren, I’d do it in a minute.
As to whether Jay will make it, some guys seize the brass ring and some don’t. Freeze has always struck me as a guy who can’t quite grasp the ring, but Jay seems to have risen to the occasion. It’s a nice story. He has the look of a major leaguer.
Just win
Freese?
I for one don’t understand your freese statement (“can’t grab the brass ring”) as well as some of the mentions of him being a AAAA player these last 2 weeks. The guy came up and hit 290 with a 360 obp. Yeah the power isn’t there but not every guy on the team needs to have pujols power, it’s nice to have guys who just hit the ball. Since freese has gone on the DL he has been getting no love around here and it’s a little silly to me.
Freese always seems to shoot himself in the foot (no pun intended)
whether it’s dui’s or dropping a weight on his big toe while rehabbing. He’s got an interesting track record.
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
by Tackle Box on Jul 27, 2010 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's true, but that doesn't have any impact on his level of talent
Kevin Mitchell was a fantastic player who had the worst injury luck of all time. Seriously, I think the based that Martin Short movie “Pure Luck” on Kevin Mitchell’s career:
- Strained a muscle while vomiting, causing a 15 day DL stint.
- Chipped a tooth on a frozen doughnut he microwaved too long, which ended up requiring a root canal, for which he had to miss 2 weeks of spring training.
- A woman hit him with a glass at a bar, cutting him under his right eye, causing him to miss two games due to “battle fatigue”.
- Asked a trainer for eyewash, but got a bottle of rubbing alcohol instead, burning his right eye and causing him to miss 2 weeks.
- Got beaned in the head, which didn’t cause an injury, but when he fell he strained neck muscles, causing a DL stint.
And those are just the ones I can verify — there are bunched of other “urban legends” about Kevin Mitchell injuries.
Now, Mitchell is a pretty despicable person, and I don’t see David Freese that way — but the freak injuries he’s had just remind me of the stories told about Mitchell.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
I think Chris Brown. . .
who was a Giant 3B back in the day when Kevin Mitchell was with the Giants, once went on the DL (or at least missed a game) because he “slept on his eye wrong”.
Maybe that’s just a more creative way of covering up a hangover than the ubiquitous “flu-like symptoms”, but it was sure entertaining at the time.
Or maybe his wife whacked him after he was out too late with the boys.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jul 27, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Freese
How has Jay seized the brass ring, but Freese didn’t? Through the first two months of 2010—basically, before his injury—Freese posted a line of .318/.386/.460/.846 over 199 PAs. Then, he sprained his ankle. To me, he grabbed ahold of the brass ring.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Yeah no kidding
That why everyone keeps saying “If we get Freese back” he’s been great.
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jul 27, 2010 11:20 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i was wondering the same thing
context clues tell me it’s old wooden ship used in the civil war era
"He’s in his own world out there. He says he doesn’t cuss. I disagree." - Skip Schumaker on Jason Motte
STOP TRYING TO TRADE SHELBY MILLER!!
you seriously don't know the expression -
ever read catcher in the rye? pretty sure it’s referenced in there, and possibly explained. anyway, thought it pretty common. i use it, but it admittedly could be out-of-date, replaced by something like carpe diem.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
the brass ring
was an old carnival game in which you were encouraged to reach out from your merry-go-round horse without falling and grab a ring…if you grabbed one you’d win a prize…
I think…
Noooo....
…it refers to the ring worn by some bulls that bad cow owners use to pull them along
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
yes, you are correct
i would have thought, even though an old expression, most would know that from catcher in the rye (the carousel in central park). anyway, in meaning it’s pretty similar to carpe diem, though perhaps now more quaint, or less trite.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
At first it sounded a little phony.
I bet most people didn’t even give it the time of day.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Jul 27, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Grabbing the brass ring didn't sound phony
to me at all.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Carp doesn't give a fuck about carpe.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jul 28, 2010 6:48 AM EDT up reply actions
I didn't realize this wasn't a commn expression
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Brass Ring dispenser and target on Santa Cruz Beach Boardwalk’s Looff Carousel in Santa Cruz, California The dispenser is visible as an arm crossing to the upper left, where a rider is grabbing the ringA brass ring is a small grabbable ring that a dispenser presents to a carousel rider during the course of a ride. Usually there are a large number of iron rings and one brass one, or just a few. It takes some dexterity to grab a ring from the dispenser as the carousel rotates. The iron rings can be tossed at a target as an amusement. Typically, getting the brass ring gets the rider some sort of prize when presented to the operator. The prize often is a free repeat ride. The phrase to grab the brass ring is derived from this device.
Just win
the brass ring
is put on the end of the bar when you are lifting weights so they don’t slide off. Obviously freese did not grab a hold of it and put it on the end of the bar.
this thread is all Aaron Mile's fault.
by Evilfrog on Jul 27, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
if we can get freese back soon we don't need to upgrade at 2B
felipe will go there.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
Just an upgrade at SS.
I’m sorry to say.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
i think we should ride the tyler greene train for awhile and see where it goes.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
sunday night's game
boog’s defense was excellent in that game. with floppy and miles and schu jacking the infield’s style, i’m quite fine leaving ryan in there to obp .250 and save some runs on that leaky ship of an infield
Does anyone know Boog's BABIP since coming back from his "demotion"?
I keep telling myself it’s a matter of time for his batting average, since I don’t really remember him striking out much in the last couple months. Maybe I’m just being hopeful, since he’s one of my favorite players on the team.
his BABIP in the last 28 days is .159
its .268 for the season
his career BABIP is .293
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
Um, it's .223 for the season.
See this and this.
Also, he’s walking more than ever. His babip should be lower than its career average since he’s hitting more fly balls and fewer ground balls, with about the same amount of line drives. However, it shouldn’t be this low. For example, his infield hit % is 1.1 compared to a career average of 8.1%.
אנא טוני לא יותר ט.א.ס.ס
That seems about right for the last month. Every game seems like hit after hit, but the luck on position has just been awful, even accounting for some of the ground-outs being a power issue. At least in the last few TLR post-game commentaries I watched, he complimented Boog for consistently putting the bat on the ball and getting in-play outs.
His power has been terrible - the .086 ISO is absurdly bad. (but still nearly twice as high as he had in '08!)
and he’s struck out 15.5% of the time – over his career rate, but not enough to be a cause for concern – but he’s also just been monumentally unlucky.
אנא טוני לא יותר ט.א.ס.ס
And I opined on this a few months ago as well
If you’re getting “unlucky,” it’ll affect both your average and slugging percentage, because unlucky outs tend to be line drives that the fielders catch, for whatever reason. Line drives are also more likely to be extra-base hits.
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
true. it's not like his LD% has dropped - actually a career high by .1%.
also, since he has so little power (career 3.3% hr/fb, career .092 iso) I’m not sure how much benefit there is to him hitting more flies and less ground balls. does anyone who knows more about this have any opinion as to the expected changes in his hitting that come from dropping his gb/fb from 1.74 to 1.20?
אנא טוני לא יותר ט.א.ס.ס
Oh. No, I'm finishing up a report I've been working on for two months
Should be done today or tomorrow… I’ll have more time to explore afterwards
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Fangraphs
has nice graphs (surprise, surprise) that track BABIP. The season by season one is brutal. Then again, so is the falloff in 2010 as of late.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
if Ryan is the only guy in the lineup who's hitting that poorly
we can live with it; his D will make up for it. But when you’ve got Schumaker & Molina in there not hitting well either…..
is there some meme with a train, now?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I don't know
I’m a little alarmed by it.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
see and my original post was that I want to ride the tyler greene train
but then i saw how that looked.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
English is so limiting.
I heard it comes to VEB to die. but that’s just a rumor.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
nice writeup
i’ve really enjoyed watching jay. byrd had him covered the other night on two bullets to the gap and the wind turned a homer into a triple. could have easily been a much bigger night for him. he looked comfortable in the box and as albert would say, “he’s putting good swings on the ball.”
Predicting Success in Baseball
has become to much of a science. Not that science is a bad thing but one cannot measure a players heart. To many players are given playing time based upon their projections, etc. Here is a novel new idea – how about playing the guys who hustle and get the job done. Jon Jay may flop but he deserves to play until he shows that he is not for real. I would have to get something really good in return before I would move him and at this point I would move Ludwick before I would move Jay. Ludwick is a very good player but money and Jay’s ability to hit in the #2 slot makes him a perfect fit for the Cards.
But aren't the players with better projections..
..the ones who have shown they get the job done? Projections aren’t based on body type or someone’s perceived talent, they are based on his record in the past plus aging curve and competition adjustments.
Oh yeah, I hit a lot of bombs. Don’t kid yourself.
by all4tookie on Jul 27, 2010 9:49 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
What about Colby Rasmus and Ryan Ludwick,
who have each demonstrated quite clearly that they are “for real”?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Actually, Jay should have been up from the start of the season,
but he was passed over for a guy that any person who understands math should have known is not a ML player- Nick Stavinoha.
"What exactly is that thing? A pessimism meter?" - Bruce McCurdy
Psssh
I’ll believe that when I see Jay hit a homer from one knee. ;-)
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
what was jay's spring training like, if anyone remembers?
my recollection is that stav, mather, and craig all had good springs and so the club (surprisingly) brought all three north. did jay have as good a spring as any of them, and did he get the same opportunities?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
The point is that, scientifically speaking,
we can say that Stavinoha was getting lucky- screw arguments of heart and intangibles. Stav was lucky, and because we rely on small samples of numbers instead of thinking more scientifically we took him instead of Jay. The goal should not be to remove our brains and our ability to think critically- we should be looking to improve our numbers so that we can have more confidence in the judgments we make while using them.
"What exactly is that thing? A pessimism meter?" - Bruce McCurdy
i agree
i was just wondering about jay’s spring because i don’t recall any uproar about him not heading north. if he was horrible in florida, at least there may have been an initial justification for leaving him off the roster – there is none now, obviously.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I know this is a tiny sample size still
but Jay has always liked hitting in the majors, he did well in the last 2 spring trainings… one of the reasons I like the guy so much
chief justice
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 27, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Jay was great in the last two spring trainings
’09 and ’10 he put up numbers that could have had him on the club instead of people like Stav, Ank, Dunc, etc
chief justice
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 27, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
and here i am thinking you were
going to say Joe Mather. phew.
"He’s in his own world out there. He says he doesn’t cuss. I disagree." - Skip Schumaker on Jason Motte
STOP TRYING TO TRADE SHELBY MILLER!!
oh, sorry
guess i stumbled onto the P-D forums. carry on with measuring heart and “getting the job done”
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
by prophetjohn on Jul 27, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Flag'd
;-)
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
Turn in your VEB card.
And go sit in the BCB JV site for a week.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 27, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
is anyone actually there?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Not many the last time I was there.
Not even Ted Simmon’s Speed Camp was in there.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 27, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
i like how
2 division rivals’ sites have the BCB acronym
"He’s in his own world out there. He says he doesn’t cuss. I disagree." - Skip Schumaker on Jason Motte
STOP TRYING TO TRADE SHELBY MILLER!!
and they both suck.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 27, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't!
it’s really confusing.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jul 28, 2010 6:53 AM EDT up reply actions
it's hilarious how Mike and Mike are totally losing the pitchers question of Stark's
this is tough, though. fifth(?) straight year of 200 innings and double-digits wins.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
took me a few guess
I went Oswalt (had the streak broken last year) Halladay, (who should have it this year) CC, got it on my fourth guess.
this thread is all Aaron Mile's fault.
it's a good day when it's a lboros post
Chief Justice!
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
it would be awesome to just have a section do that.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Maybe we need a VEB day whenever he starts so we can do that.
Who has the crystal ball so we know when he starts?
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 27, 2010 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions
we also need to put the BOOOOOOOOOOOOG
letters together.
and remember, put some G’s in the back, just in case.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
that would be nice
some big boog letters to show support for the guy
maybe a “go boog” because booggg might get confusing
then you need an S.
with “GO BOOG” all you need to show up is at least one B and multiple O/G’s.
complicating it for Boggs means the B and S need to show up.
…hmmm.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I love how most blogs argue over serious crap
And we argue over BOOG signs (and for the record Im in the GO BOOG camp)
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jul 27, 2010 11:26 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
why, did you want a prenup?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 27, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
these signs have two sides...
"He’s in his own world out there. He says he doesn’t cuss. I disagree." - Skip Schumaker on Jason Motte
STOP TRYING TO TRADE SHELBY MILLER!!
yes....
the original plan is that even with cancellations, there’s no problem. so you mass produce O/G reversible signs, and only B sign has to show up.
for Boggs, both B and S have to show up.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
or maybe just have one person bring all the letters
and if he doesn’t show up
we then we just drink beer
this is why you have redundant backups.
just put the template online, so it all looks the same, and everyone can show up with a letter.
then you drink beer and get on tv a lot.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
maybe there should be less beer
the more you get on tv
i say no template, just ballpark size directions and see what funky stuff we can come up with
btw, i think boog will be flattered
we should have more people than letters
so we can extract your letter from you so we don’t have to extract your beer
mkay?
but that's what I'm saying
since the number of O’s is unlimited, you can have as many people as possible.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
If you had enough people you could pull a VEB textwrap within the section.
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.
the guys in the truck would hate us
in any case, the plus of O/G is “G” can go get concessions and the last “O” can just take over.
it’s the B person who has to be responsible. the designated letter.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
what we need is a way to stand B up on the seat
so they can hit the restroom or something
now, if we were extra responsible, we would have two B’s for walks.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
No...just us.....there were some confused looks.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
should have started with ryan f ludwich, ryan f ludwick
and then rfl rfl rfl
maybe then ppl would have caught on
how many of you were there?
Like it, the PA announcer could say
for Jay’s first AB “all rise court is now in session, the Honorable Jon Jay presiding”.
jay shouldn't have a walkup song
should just be the sound of a gavel pounding, a few hard raps really loud, and then everyone would stand.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Jul 27, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
How 'bout the theme to Law and Order?
Or just the gavel pounding between scenes.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
there ya go
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I have always been a Jay fan
If he can keep on his avg like he has shown in the minors and also increase his walk rate he can become a regular with is defense. He was a plus defender always in the minors and that was in CF. Plus, he has shown the ability to steal a base
i think he's 1 for 5 thus far on sb's
sss, and those could have been botched hit-and-runs, but i’ve never seen the speed others apparently have – he runs ok, and on this team that practically makes him a gazelle, but he’s not as fast as colby, greene, or boog, imo
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Well Colby and Tyler are manrockets
So that’s not that fair. Jay’s probably about as fast as Boog
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jul 27, 2010 11:31 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
server! server!
there’s a manrocket in my manstew!
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 27, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
I like his speed a lot
add in some pop and defense and he’s a valuable player
chief justice
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 27, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
what? no jim lindeman?
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jul 27, 2010 8:45 AM EDT reply actions
in case anyone missed it
B_Walton:
#stlcards also assigned OF Amaury Cazana to Memphis with OF Adron Chambers onto Temporary Inactive List. #hpgf about 12 hours ago via TweetDeck
also, how did Lohse do yesterday?
3 IP, 2 R -- 1ER
listened to the game. Got no help from 3B (2 errors). Struck out three w/no BBs.
Today’s the test—whether he has pain or not.
"They're so stunned they didn't even boo!"
John Rooney 5/3/10 referring to Philly fans on Cards 5-run 7th inning
hopefully he can regain form quickly....
I’d rather upgrade at middle infield instead of going out and getting Oswalt…..a healthy Lohse may keep the Cardinals from doing that
i'm tabbed out right now
but fsm had an article on it
strauss had quick reactions too
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Whoah, check out that bombshell snuck in at the end
Outfielder Nick Stavinoha began a rehab assignment with Memphis as well Monday night, going 1-for-3 with a walk.
by Andyfantastic on Jul 27, 2010 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
ya, some of us listened to it last night.
The Continental live blogged it in yesterday’s thread.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Ball 4 on that walk was damn near in the dirt.
He almost couldn’t avoid taking the walk.
I'm out of champagna. How about some 7-Up and Mad Dog 20/20?
by The Continental on Jul 27, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
That's when you drop to the knee, my friend.
by Andyfantastic on Jul 27, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
then he must not be 100% yet
he still can’t pull off his signature move
"He’s in his own world out there. He says he doesn’t cuss. I disagree." - Skip Schumaker on Jason Motte
STOP TRYING TO TRADE SHELBY MILLER!!
Pitcher must have been Dontrelle Willis then.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
Rich Harden
"They're so stunned they didn't even boo!"
John Rooney 5/3/10 referring to Philly fans on Cards 5-run 7th inning
ha, he's rehabbing too?
that would have been a good game to see. is it harden’s shoulder, did they mention?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Left glute :)
"They're so stunned they didn't even boo!"
John Rooney 5/3/10 referring to Philly fans on Cards 5-run 7th inning
He always finds a way to come back.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 27, 2010 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions
The Real Question is....
…has Jay earned himself a VEB nickname yet? I’m all for Jay-Bird…
;=8)
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
Jay Walker
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
The Honourable Jon Jay
is cool to.
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
THJJ?
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 27, 2010 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Jay Bird is quality.
Simplicity works in this instance.
"When I gave up a grand slam to Pete LaCock," Bob Gibson said later, "I knew it was time to quit."
That is my thought also
He already has a good nick name
by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 27, 2010 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions
indeed
what pasture has the cow been in? Chief Justice has been in play for ages.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Well Suppose...
…the Cards have a good rookie names John Roberts? What then…WHAT THEN???
:=8O
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=robert001joh
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Jul 27, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
NO POLITICS !
mentioning any word that has any putative connection to anything that could be, in however slight a way, construed as political is tab(m)oo.
Exactly....
…which is why Jay-Birds works, as it is free from political taint.
:=8)
So is Nertlerb, by the way….
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
Political taint is right
I mean, every time somebody mentions his tenure as Chief Justice, someone will pipe up and complain about the Federalists, and then someone else will complain about the Democratic-Republicans, and then someone will mention Governor Clinton (George Clinton that is) and all hell will break loose. Pretty soon there will be a duel between fourstick and vivaelpujols or something and we’ll wish Jay was never called up in the first place.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Jul 27, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
George Clinton
was at his best as the front man for Parliament Funkadelic.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Jul 27, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
That was when he was Prime Minister.
Mattbobo is referencing his time as governor.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Am now wondering if a pitcher named Burr ever hit a batter named Hamilton.
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.
burr-leigh grimes, perhaps
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
That's a good question.
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.
Oh the sweet irony
that they don’t have $100 questions on Jeopardy anymore…
/nerding out
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
by ducttape16 on Jul 27, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
LOL
I noticed the same thing
"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles
by jd is legend on Jul 27, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah the first round
is now 2/4/6/8/1000 and the second round is 4/8/12/16/2000. I Tivo the show because of my deep love of trivia is the only reason I know this… And with behavior like that I’m completely shocked I’m not beating the women off with a stick…
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
For sure
Not only is it a great nickname, but it fits our highbrow sensibilities around here.
Just imagine some Cub fan trying to figure out what that nickname means….
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Speaking of which
Don’t we have some nickname translator that Y2S put up or was thy just memes?
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jul 27, 2010 11:33 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
*that
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jul 27, 2010 11:33 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
yes but it's not updated.
that effin lazy bastard.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 27, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
agreed?
:-)
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
Haha!
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jul 27, 2010 12:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The Cub fan next to me on Friday was kind of confused by my scorecard
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
by albrtfn on Jul 27, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
surprised he could read it
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
i got sbn'd badly the first time...
can I put that in the glossary queue?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Yeah go ahead
I’d be honored!
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
who is Jared?
"He’s in his own world out there. He says he doesn’t cuss. I disagree." - Skip Schumaker on Jason Motte
STOP TRYING TO TRADE SHELBY MILLER!!
That's awesome.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I was wondering where it got 50-some views
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
That's hilarious.
He must not be a BCBer either. I would expect them to have an idea of what goes on in here.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 27, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
This guy was your typical Club Box Cub fan
He asked me in the third inning who was pitching for the cubs.
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
Now that I think about it
he might have been confused because he had never seen a scorecard before
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
by albrtfn on Jul 27, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 9 recs
ha
That’s terrible. but very funny.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 27, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
rec'd like cubs fans
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I was keeping score at Wrigley once
Some random Cub fan girl behind me asked:
“What is that?”
“I’m keeping score.”
“Why?”
“So after the game, I have hard data to show just how much the Cubs suck.”
by Andyfantastic on Jul 27, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
I'm going to use that next time
That’s perfect. Literally the only time you ever see scorecards there is if it’s a visiting fan. I’ve seen Mets fans, Reds fans, Cardinals fans keep score. I saw a cubs fan with a blank score card the other day. I thought about trying to explain it to him, but it’s probably a lost cause.
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
what did she say to that?
or was she already distracted by a shiny object by the time you finished your sentence?
She laughed
’Twas all in good fun.
And we lost that day anyway (Wellemeyer/LaRue start, go figure).
by Andyfantastic on Jul 27, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Personal catcher!
/depechemode
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Apparently they either can't read or have no relational cognition skills
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
I wish he had a bit more power so I could just yell "Justice!" every time he hits one out.
"What exactly is that thing? A pessimism meter?" - Bruce McCurdy
I wish it were the late 80s or early 90s
and they would make one of those big-head t-shirts of him in a robe with a gavel, using it as a bat to hit a homer.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I like "court is adjourned!"
you could even add a “motherfuckers!” if you’re feeling feisty…
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jul 27, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
When he makes inning ending plays
I like to say “the defense rests”. Either that or “overruled!!!”
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Jul 27, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
isn't that what shannon calls jay randolph?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Not only has he acquired the Chief Justice moniker,
but someone always asks everyone in the VEB Court room to rise when he comes to bat.
by Cardfanintherock on Jul 27, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
his nickname is chief justice
duh
chief justice
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 27, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
not sure who that is
sorry I’ve been cranky
chief justice
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 27, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
it was the other chief justice
who was there for a long time
not sure it’s spelled that way, though.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
ticket stuff
don’t forget tomorrow 10 am a limited amount (8,000) of FREE TICKETS for the Astros Aug 2 – Aug 4 series will be available. no Oswalt on our side, but maybe if he starts against us we can diminish his value enough to sign him in the off-season
$75 Legends Club tickets for the Reds Jul 30-Aug 1 series with code ESAVER
Look again
THE TICKETS ARE NOW DIAMONDS
by Andyfantastic on Jul 27, 2010 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Now look again
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
Back to VEB
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.
Nope.
Signed through 2011, with an option for 2012. (That option is one of the major issues any acquiring team may have to deal with, as he seems to want the option assumed in order to waive his no-trade protection.)
Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!
by the red baron on Jul 27, 2010 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions
I hope he really likes being in Houston.
Then you throw in that Houston probably doesn’t really want to trade him within the division, and you have a better than avg chance that we won’t end up with him. If anybody get him at all.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 27, 2010 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Wait...
you’re saying the ESAVER Legends’ Club tix are for this weekend’s games? I just went on there and tried and it said the code was invalid.
Maybe I’m misunderstanding…can you clarify?
i'm even more of a moron because i was right the first time
it’s against the reds
email subject and contents are misleading (or i am just plain stupid)
sry
That's an excellent comparison
and I think that’s probably his upside as a player.
We can only hope that he’s got enough pop in his bat to be a full time corner outfielder.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Of take that
Platooning with Craig in RF next year any day of the week
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jul 27, 2010 11:36 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
*I'd
Fucking typos
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jul 27, 2010 11:36 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I've never really seen Jay as a starter, to be honest.
To me he’s always been a really good fourth outfielder type of player. He does everything pretty well, but doesn’t necessarily shock and awe with any one aspect of his game. He’s sort of like a turbocharged version of Skip Schumaker; he does all the things Skip does well just a little bit better, though Skip has the better throwing arm.
I will say, though, I’ve certainly enjoyed seeing Jay play this season, and he’s threatening to force an upgrade of my opinion on him. At the very least, I think a platoon of he and Allen Craig in 2011 could provide a reasonable level of production at a huge savings over Ryan Ludwick. And as much as I like Ludwick, the Cardinals may very soon need to figure out something else in right field, as his salary is only going up.
Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!
i see jay as a 4th OF too
i think he is a lot better fit of a 4th OF than stav or winn, especially winn.
I would quibble with your characterization in one respect.
Jay has far better speed and baserunning ability than Skip, in my opinion.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
He said turbocharged.
Non head-first sliding and faster and a bit more power and better nickname.
"What exactly is that thing? A pessimism meter?" - Bruce McCurdy
I agree with this assessment
Jay has the potential to be a nice player but all those Cards’ fans who are saying that Rasmus should be benched or traded in favor of Jay are making a huge mistake, IMO. Rasmus is the real deal. Tony needs to let him play. If Bernie wants to know what Rasmus’ problem is, his manager has no faith in him.
Anyone who thinks Jay is more talented than Rasmus needs to learn math.
"What exactly is that thing? A pessimism meter?" - Bruce McCurdy
Anyone who's says Jay is better than rasmus
Needs to learn baseball
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jul 27, 2010 11:38 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
but I was told there would be no math!
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 27, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
I am currently re-evaluating my stance on mathematics.
I'm out of champagna. How about some 7-Up and Mad Dog 20/20?
by The Continental on Jul 27, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
warning for terrible use of blue screen.
I have nothing against mathematicians.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 27, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
My dads a mathematician
Taught calc at SLU for over a decade then quit teaching while I was in HS thus robbing me of getting a discounted education where I was born (SLU Hospital) and lo and behold he’s teaching again (at ITT now). I’ve dropped out of SEMO, gotten an associates at ECC and gone into sales, FML
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jul 27, 2010 12:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
After actually clicking the link
Im happy that Dad doesn’t wear bikinis
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jul 27, 2010 12:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You should probably add a NSFW tag the next time you post something like that...
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
you should probably hover over the link next time
and read it before you click it
btw, that thing would have been better if
a) she wasn’t reading
b) she knew what the hell she was saying
yeah, extreme teleprompter there.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
you are right
I wasn’t thinking. Apologies, all.
I'm out of champagna. How about some 7-Up and Mad Dog 20/20?
by The Continental on Jul 27, 2010 2:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It would be better if she could properly pronounce words
Otherwise, a good idea!
by vivaelpujols on Jul 27, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Late to the game, as usual,
but that looked promising at first. Then she opened her mouth. I can not stand listening to people trying to talk around whatever stupid thing they have sticking through their tongue.
by ArkansasTravs on Jul 28, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
If Colby's Manager has no faith in him
he needs to correct that.
this thread is all Aaron Mile's fault.
Are there really people who think Rasmus should be traded to make room for Jay?
That’s got to be a joke, right?
Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!
by the red baron on Jul 27, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I haven't seen anyone here on VEB.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 27, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
somebody said that over in the Astros blog the other day, Warcard I think.
My response was “who?”
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jul 27, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
It's ridiculous.
Nobody here thinks that because it is so ridiculous. And the field manager needs to get out of his brain’s way and play Rasmus. We wouldn’t be where we are today without his brilliance in the first half. How the Al Hrabosky’s and TLR’s of the world can’t see this fact is beyond me. They need to wake up.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
rasmus is like 1-22 with 8 billion strikeouts lately.
i love the guy and i think he is awesome and there is no way he should be traded to make room for jay. BUT. you can’t blame TLR for Rasmus’ endless Ks.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
If the manager subscribes to the notion that a player needs regular PAs for his true talent
to show through and develop and all that, then I can say that the manager should practice what he preaches and regularly start our third-best position player. Before his HR Sunday, Pujols was in an 0-for-12 slump. Now, Rasmus has not earned Pujols status by any means, but who is to say that the slump has not been prolonged by sporadic PAs? All of this is moot if Rasmus is still nursing an injury, but there have been no reports of this in the media, from what I have heard.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
was he sucking defensively?
that was always the impetus, at least this year. if you’re going out there and not producing on offense, you have to make up for it on the field. Boog commits error; Boog goes to doghouse. as much as I want Ryan to get PA’s for the same reason, that’s actually been fairly consistent this season.
the thing is, I seem to recall no huge problem with Colby’s D going into this stretch.
I’m concerned now that there’s something else wrong.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I was happy with Rasmus's playing time in April, May, and June, for the most part.
As of today, Colby is fifth on the team in PAs for the month of July. After tonight’s game, he will likely be sixth behind Jon Jay, Yadi, Lopez, Holliday, and Pujols.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Of course he is
He played almost the entire first two months because we didn’t have anyone else to play CF. As soon as we signed Randy Winn, you begin to notice more and more days off. Then Jon Jay started hitting and he got even MORE days off.
If he’s battling bumps and bruises, fine, rest him. But it’s not like Tony hasn’t done this before to young players….it’s beyond annoying. If TLR had been the manager in the 80’s, I can totally see Willie McGee spot starting for 18 months while hitting .370, “because he hadn’t earned his spot”.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
That's a little over the top, TLR has a good track record with rookies
just look he’s had 6 players in the 31 years as coach become rookie of the year, then there’s some that stick out like ankiel and jaime that he gave fair shots to as well. There has to be some other reason besides TLR’s love of veteran.
Yah -- way to cherry pick the best players.
Let’s just name all the guys who came up and immediately produced like a major league player. This is NOT the norm of even top prospects. Ankiel was the top pitching prospect in all of baseball at the time, and he and Jaime are PITCHERS. It’s not like you choose not to start a guy who’s in the rotation because he’s in your doghouse — you have to throw him, because it screws up the rotation otherwise. Those are some awful comparisons, imo.
The ROY’s?
- Pujols, McGwire, Canseco, Ron Kittle, Walt Weiss, Ozzie Guillen
The first four guys all hit 30 or more homers their rookie years. The other two guys were crappy hitting middle infielders, and TLR seems to have an affinity for those guys, not to mention that they won ROY in years where the rookie crop really sucked
Using the number of ROY’s won by players under a particular coach is a pretty awful example of how that manager handles younger players.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
There's a handfull of people i'd be willing to trade Rasmus for
But not for the purpose of making Jay or everyday CFer.
this thread is all Aaron Mile's fault.
RFLDNCFATTRLT and all, but based
On his salary, he would need to be about 1.5 wins better than the jay/craig platoon to make him make sense for the cards. He’s probably on the cusp of that. I’d like to see how the season ends. But if jay/ craig looks closer to a 3 win platoon than a 2 win platoon, luddy is going to be hard to keep.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
by tom s. on Jul 27, 2010 11:57 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
one small correction- should be 1.5 wins better...
that the Jay/Craig platoon, PLUS whatever Luddy is traded for. He should have around $4-5M of marginal value even if he makes $8M in arbitration.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
agree
but his everyday status will be determined by his obp
so far, i like his eye and discipline at the plate
a little more power is likely to come, but obp will be his key
i see him good in the 2 slot, not 4-5-6
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
for CodyG
a very condensed low quality low size gif of the grand salami that he asked for
by d-dee on Jul 27, 2010 9:52 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
it was the previous Cincinatti start
also, Colby got a haircut.
also, LaRue got a haircut.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 27, 2010 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
ahh well im sure the swing didn't help
....my quick smells like french toast...
Twitter: @mstreeter06
by mstreeter06 on Jul 27, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
haven't seen much of any games recently
has larue been spotted, and is he still clean-shaven, or reverting to form?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I don't want to jinix a guy
but man, way to go out with a bang.
this thread is all Aaron Mile's fault.
what a way to go out as a cardinal
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
The moonwalk guy at Walmart was the greatest.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
This condensed version is hilarious.
First, we have Penny hitting the slam.
Next, we have Penny coming home with a slightly dumbfounded look on his face as if he has no idea what just occurred.
"When I gave up a grand slam to Pete LaCock," Bob Gibson said later, "I knew it was time to quit."
...that's his usual expression.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
i think the more hilarios part is
that he hits it and half a second later it’s in the seats
and by that time he’s already going 2nd to 3rd
i had to keep cutting to get it around 2 mb
and that was the least clueless face he made through the entire clip
Dumb injury of the week:
Chris Coghlan tore his left MCL and will head to the 15-day DL, the Miami Herald’s Clark Spencer reports.
Spin:
Coghlan reportedly hurt himself “pieing” teammate Wes Helms in a celebration for his game-winning hit on Sunday. He was also hit by a pitch on Sunday. The Marlins plan on calling up Logan Morrison.
I'm out of champagna. How about some 7-Up and Mad Dog 20/20?
by The Continental on Jul 27, 2010 9:59 AM EDT reply actions
Not a dumb injury,
but that shot that Haren took last nite, coulda been pretty nasty. Bet the Angels all about threw up after seeing that.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 27, 2010 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
random comma fail.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 27, 2010 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Gotta be any team's worst nightmare,
getting the guy you just traded for injured. I hope he’s OK.
I'm out of champagna. How about some 7-Up and Mad Dog 20/20?
by The Continental on Jul 27, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Like with DeRosa.
That was rough.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
(wince, twitch)
Yeah, that was rough.
I'm out of champagna. How about some 7-Up and Mad Dog 20/20?
by The Continental on Jul 27, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
just last week I saw a segment with Adam Wainwright recalling DeRosa with great fondness.
they could bring him back as a mascot.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 27, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
indeed.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 27, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
boog is a better one, even if a little large for the role
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
Then they looked at what they gave up for him and went, "Meh".
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
That's probably true enough.
But who wants to see good starter get hurt as soon as you get them.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 27, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Celebrate responsibly.
Coghlan suffered the unfortunate injury while trying to slam a pie into the face of teammate Wes Helms after Sunday’s late victory over the Braves. “When Wes hit the walk-off, I went to pie him in the face,” Coghlan said. “When I jumped I landed wrong on my knee.” If he needs surgery, it could two months before we see him again.
I'm out of champagna. How about some 7-Up and Mad Dog 20/20?
by The Continental on Jul 27, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
I am not a fan of the shaving cream pie in the face for walk-offs.
Of course, I don’t like the mob scene at home plate for a regular season game, either. Does this make me old school?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Yes, but it doesn't make you wrong.
I don’t mind the celebrations after walk-offs myself, as long as they don’t act like they just won the World Series. They’re fun and walk-off games, by their nature, are usually tense hard-fought affairs.
I don’t get the shaving cream pies, though. Except for rookies.
Why on Earth was he jumping to deliver a pie anyway? Usually, the guy sneaks up during an interview.
I'm out of champagna. How about some 7-Up and Mad Dog 20/20?
by The Continental on Jul 27, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
shush, he has a lawn.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Actually,
I don’t. I’m an apartment dweller and I’m young enough to not at all remember the Cardinals’ 9th World Series championship.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
You poor guy.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 27, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
so bgh is just an old fogey?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I'm young enough to where the Cardinals' 9th WS championship was before I was born
"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles
by jd is legend on Jul 27, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Of course, if Denkinger didn't suck, I may have "seen" one when I was a year old
"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles
by jd is legend on Jul 27, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Same boat
expect I’d have been 2.
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
yeah, shouldn't you be in school
"I told myself from the very beginning: 'If he's going to throw a shutout, then he's going to tie,'" Wainwright said. "He was not going to beat me today."
oh goold and your tweets
dgoold
Article from afternoon on 53rd. Does not include a guy bursting into flames. Pujols is a hit on Letterman http://bit.ly/98eHLK #stlcards 4 minutes ago via TweetMeme
the article starts out this way
Comedian Denis Leary, a dyed-in-the-wool Boston Red Sox fan who probably has the bloody sock to prove it, was going to wear his 2004 World Series championship T-shirt to the “Late Show with David Letterman” on Monday.
His son talked him out of it. There would be a St. Louis Cardinal there.
With a bat.
i personally thought the pre-“bp” interview was very nice
but why was denis leary of all people pitching?
by d-dee on Jul 27, 2010 10:03 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Ya, should have brought in Oquendo to pitch.
"They punched me a lot," Holliday said of the celebration [after his July 18 walk-off single]. "But they were good punches."
Wow pathetic
RT @ESPNtheGnome: What a shame: Attendance at 5 no-hitters/perfect gms – Garza-17k, E Jackson-18.9k, Braden-12.2k, Halladay-25k, Ubaldo-32.6k – avg: 21.1k
....my quick smells like french toast...
Twitter: @mstreeter06
Maybe that's why it didn't happen in Detroit, too many people were there.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 27, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
heh
....my quick smells like french toast...
Twitter: @mstreeter06
by mstreeter06 on Jul 27, 2010 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
It seems like a lot of no-hitters have been thrown this season.
Does anyone know where the 2010 total ranks historically?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
My question playing off his
Is has any team had a year like the Rays when it comesto being n the wrong end of perfect games/no hitters?
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
Well,
technically, the Tiger have not been on both sides, but they should have been on both sides this season. So, we should have 6 no-hitters this season. And we would have had two teams throw one and have one thrown against them.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Mike & Mike had a graphic up earlier
and it isn’t ALL THAT much of an outlier. There have been 5 so far this year, which is the most since sometime in the mid-90s when there were 7.
It’s interesting because I agree with you…it SEEMS like there are just so many, but I think it only seems that way because of the coverage and that’s what’s most recently available to us.
Most since the mid '90s seems like a lot to me.
Especially since the season is only a little more than half over, and we’re already most of the way to beating THAT.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
And the '90 and '91 seasons were outliers
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jul 27, 2010 12:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It's because
“A bunch of random no hitters” isn’t as cool of a story line as “Year of the Pitcher™”
Not afraid to nitpick
Stealing that moniker from 1968 shows relatively little respect for history.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
how about: Year of the Pitcher 2.0: The Return of the Year of the Pitcher
100% Sober, 40% of the time
by Aranathor on Jul 27, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Son of Year of the Pitcher
this time, nothing is sacred
by YesWeOquendo on Jul 27, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Year of the Pitcher 2 - Sinkers and Cutters.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Year of The Pitcher 3D
/ubiquitous shit sequel
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jul 28, 2010 7:10 AM EDT up reply actions
I dunno if the league is pitching better as a whole
or if just the top pitchers are all having career years, but something is going on….
to wit:
Carpenter, 2006: ERA 3.09, ERA+ 144
Carpenter, 2010: ERA 3.09, ERA+ 130
was looking at that last night and it kind of jumped out….
I mean, it's just the natural cycle of baseball I think
We’re entering another phase where there are a LOT of young, talented pitchers out there. Just in the NL, we have Jaime, Johnson, Wainwright, Ubaldo, Lincecum, Strasburg, etc.
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Meh, we had all of those guys last year (except for the two rookies)
Run scoring is down only slightly this year.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 27, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Anecdotal evidence suggests
pitchers are just pitching better this year than last year
100% Sober, 40% of the time
Lowest RPG in the MLB since 1993
Half of VEB were in short pants in 1993.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Quarter of VEB are in short pants in 2010.
I therefore conclude that Major League Baseball run suppression and pant length in the VEB community are inversely proportional.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jul 28, 2010 7:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Most was 8 in 1884
Followed by 1990 and 1991, each with 7
by Andyfantastic on Jul 27, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Are they supposed to know beforehand that a no-hitter would be thrown?
I don’t think most people would be chomping at the bit to see a random Dallas Braden start in May
"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles
by jd is legend on Jul 27, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
More people show up in St. Louis and Chicago to see a game in which Jeff Suppan starts.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Yup
2 types of people, cubs fans, and gluttons for punishment.
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
like me
glutton for punishment
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
i said through 8 hours of excruciating soul-crushing heat
in two of those
what the hell did i do to deserve that?
Yeah heat is right
I was at the Friday and Saturday games last weekend. I would’ve gone Sunday, but I couldn’t stand the thought of hearing that freaking song one more time
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
what song is that
everyone is talking about
i know there’s a song, and everyone hates it etc but which one is it?
Try google
I’m not linking it or typing the words
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
Quick Jon Jay Swing Analysis
lboros’ post has led me to put together a quick fanpost analysis of Jon Jay’s swing that I’ve been sitting on for a bit. The bottom line is that I like his swing and think he may even be leaving a bit of power on the table (which could be fixed easily).
by thepainguy on Jul 27, 2010 10:46 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Check this out. Pretty awesome.
....my quick smells like french toast...
Twitter: @mstreeter06
by mstreeter06 on Jul 27, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
i suppose you read the article on torres at fangraphs
and the comments?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
My experience with Torres
For those who are interested, here is my piece describing my work with Andres…
Wow I knew he was having a good season
But my goodness…
....my quick smells like french toast...
Twitter: @mstreeter06
by mstreeter06 on Jul 27, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah, congrats on all those guys commenting knowing your name
and your success with him. is that really how it went down, he sought you out on the internet, and initially that’s how you worked with him?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Yes
I used to have a lot of Pujols swing analyses up on my site. Like this one…
…but more detailed.
He came across these and contacted me and we started talking.
I don’t have the really good ones on my public web site any more since I have learned that they are so valuable.
don't blame you
i’d think a success story like torres would draw you a lot of action – can’t just give it away for free.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Thats a cool story...
have you noticed anything specifically about Colbys swing that has caused him to struggle so much lately. I noticed he has been tweaking his stance quite a bit.
by mick311 on Jul 27, 2010 11:36 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Or I guess without going into specifics,
Have you noticed anything about his swing lately that looks like it could be easily fixed….
by mick311 on Jul 27, 2010 11:45 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Not mechanically
I think some of his problem is his approach and/or his eye. He seems to extend a lot on pitches.
I don't know if it's true or not
but I feel like he strikes out a lot on low pitches.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
This is true
But I also feel like he hits a lot of low pitches out the park (even low and out of the strike zone), so I’m not sure how I feel about that.
isn't that a common thing with lefty power hitters?
Edmonds did that a lot, swing at something around his ankles and golf it over the fence.
He looks like he's golfing or weed wacking
"I told myself from the very beginning: 'If he's going to throw a shutout, then he's going to tie,'" Wainwright said. "He was not going to beat me today."
Who was calling his swing "busy" this weekend?
Was that Brenly? He was moving his hands in a little circle.
I prefer quieter hands
In fact, one of the things I have talked to Andres about, and really the main thing I talked about with him last July, was that his hands were a bit hyper, especially in contrast to Pujols’. Willie McCovey evidently told him the same thing this year in ST.
Some movement is good, but too much can put your hands in a bad position at the start of the swing.
did you see the My Wish segment
Albert gave batting tips.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 27, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Kind of funny
Pujols main advice to the kid was to get his hands back and just go from there.
That’s good advice for a kid, but not what Pujols actually does.
Thats wierd I didnt get to watch much of the games this weekend
So I must of missed Colby doing that. I never remember him ever doing that before. Back in Little League I remember all of us wanting to be like Sheffield or Griffey and rocking them back and forth trying to add some style….haha cant say it helped
by mick311 on Jul 27, 2010 12:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Moving the hands
…can help if you do it just right.
But if you don’t do it just right, you can really create problems.
thought we were talking about jay -
or is colby doing something different?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
seems like
it should be something unconscious anyway….if you’re thinking about what your hands are doing while you’re trying to read the pitcher, you’re just distracting yourself.
he is busy up there
was it hershiser? i only saw the last couple innings of sunday’s game, but orel was really liking jay.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I'm pretty sure Goold knows
the actual scene of the curve is on a plaque in the parking lot
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
hey that poll on there is awesome!
i voted for Boog to be on Whose Line is it Anyway
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
oh, it was blocked for me
if y’all are using a blocker, the app is townnews.com
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I gotta go with Adam.
Brendan can’t keep a straight face for 20 minutes.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
if Boog and Bombs were hosting Whose Line, that'd be another thing.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
but think about all those impersonations he can do!
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
rick horton is actually pretty good when talking about being on the cardinals in the 80s
but that is about it
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 27, 2010 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow....
Really Chris Coghlan? How do you hurt your knee getting a pie to the face?
'Don't kiss an ass if its in the process of shitting on you.' - Best advice ever.
next def'd my bad...just saw it reported above
'Don't kiss an ass if its in the process of shitting on you.' - Best advice ever.
Stav rehabing in AAA worries me they are gonna bring him back up
I cant see Jay getting sent back down but whose spot would he take?
Since he is out of options wouldnt they have already DFAd him instead of rehabing him if they didn’t plan on bringing him back?
by mick311 on Jul 27, 2010 11:42 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Really? I thought I heard he was a few different times
I know we were having this conversion last week sometime, I don’t know if anyone found out for sure.
by mick311 on Jul 27, 2010 11:49 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
yeah, I remember that too
As I recall the issue is this.
1) He first came up in ‘08, then ’09, and spent all of this year on the Cards’ 25-man. So that’s 2 options down, one left.
2) However, apparently spending a whole year on the 40-man roster also uses up an option.
3) But IIRC, he wasn’t put on the 40-man until ’08. So I believe he has one option left.
אנא טוני לא יותר ט.א.ס.ס
This is correct
He has an option remaining
by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 27, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Someone needs to create one of those ridiculous websites
by Andyfantastic on Jul 27, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
That link isn't real, obvs
Didn’t realize SBN did automatic hyperlinking
by Andyfantastic on Jul 27, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
just gotta be smoove
www.doesnickstavinohahaveanoptionremaining.com
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
I hope your right....
I just get this feeling that Tony favors him so much and thinks hes just so valuable as a pinch hitter that hes gonna want him on the team…..
But no matter how much Tony wants to be Tony and lobby for Stav, there is no way Mo is gonna send down Jay, and I dont see Winn going anywhere. Although, they arent going to keep 3 OFrs on the bench and keeping Jay amd Winn essentially gives you 2 left handed bats.
I will be curious to see how it plays out. If Stav does indeed have options left, then the logical and obvious move would be to send him down, but Tonys mancrush on fat Miles complicates things. I like Jay alot and think he could play a huge role on this team down the stretch. Someone mentioned earlier that we need role guys who can gel all the big talent together and hes the guy. I know the cards have seemed to back down a little bit on trade talks but the more I see Jay the more I hope one doesnt happen, as he would almost certainly be part of any deal. But then again that may be end up being the unfortunate solution to the Stavinoha situation….
Maybe Freese can drop a weight on his foot and get him back on the DL, anything to delay the inevitable, Fat Miles taking away someones roster spot……
by mick311 on Jul 27, 2010 12:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Don't joke about Freese breaking his foot.
Silly bastard might just do it.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 27, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
i was refering to Stavinoha....
Maybe it came out wrong but the hope was that Freese could drop a weight on Stavinohas foot….
And it wasn’t a joke.
by mick311 on Jul 27, 2010 1:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Gotcha.
Guess I read it wrong. Freese has a penchant for getting himself hurt. Didn’t want to temp the GOBs.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 27, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I have seen no evidence that TLR is fond of Stav...
or more fond of him than Jay, Winn, Craig, or any other available option. The fact that TLR used him as a pinch hitter when he was on the ML bench, when the others were not, to me, is not evidence of TLR’s fondness for Stav. It’s called using the only tool at your disposal.
If you can show that TLR gave more playing time to Stav — over Craig, Jay or Winn — during the time that any of the three were on the ML roster at the same time as Stav, I’ll believe that TLR has a “mancrush” on him.
The way it stands now, Stav is likely to be given a full rehab assignment, then activated and assigned to Memphis.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 27, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Hope your correct, WMT.
But, sometimes logic and TLR don’t go hand in hand.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 27, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
the whole
Professional Hitter thing and the Nothing Left to Prove in AAA lines are not encouraging.
"He’s in his own world out there. He says he doesn’t cuss. I disagree." - Skip Schumaker on Jason Motte
STOP TRYING TO TRADE SHELBY MILLER!!
If he has nothing left to prove then DFA his ass.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 27, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
i can't keep them straight
Mo says stuff that makes him seem smart, and then does stuff that is right in line with what TLR would want.
"He’s in his own world out there. He says he doesn’t cuss. I disagree." - Skip Schumaker on Jason Motte
STOP TRYING TO TRADE SHELBY MILLER!!
TLR = irresistable force that hasn't met his immovable object yet.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 27, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
well he definately got more playing time than Craig
Craig didn’t even get called up to the team until Stav got hurt.
by mick311 on Jul 27, 2010 2:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Actually, that's not true. They were both up earlier in the season
And Craig more starts than Stav
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
and jay didnt come up until Luddy got hurt.
I never said stav would take their playing time I said he would take their roster spot. And when he’s been healthy this year he has taken a spot away from one of those guys on the big league roster. I think tony likes him on the roster as a ‘pinch hitter’. Believe me I hope your right, and maybe I am wrong, I hope I am. But it seemed like after Luddy got hurt Stav was starting quite a few games in RF, and batting frekin 5th no less. To me, there is no reason he should ever bat 5th. I think anyone who has seen him play would agree he should never bat 5th or play in the field. Shit, I even think he batted 4th once, but Tony likes him. He played all those games with Luddy out and Craig and Jay were both better, available options in AAA at the time.
So my point was, now that Jay is playing so well I hope Tony doesn’t deny him, or someone else a roster spot for Stav, like he has done all year.
by mick311 on Jul 27, 2010 3:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i have to disagree with you saying you have seen no indication TLR is fond of Stav....
Anyone who would willingly choose to start Stav in RF and bat him 4th has to be fond of him. I don’t care if Luddy was out or if Holliday was hitting 2nd at the time, Tony thinks he’s a good hitter. He started and hit 5th a number of times when Luddy was first hurt also. You are right that he gets less playing time than the bench OFers but like I’ve said it is about Tony prefering to have him on the roster over one of those guys. I hope more than anyone he doesn’t….
by mick311 on Jul 27, 2010 3:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
what, is this a sig now?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
...
http://brickcitystl.com/blog/downtown/inside-the-kiel/
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Wow, that place looks terrific.
I was expecting it to look like it did in Escape from New York. I’m so glad they’re finally moving on opening it back up.
I'm out of champagna. How about some 7-Up and Mad Dog 20/20?
by The Continental on Jul 27, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Wasn't Escape From New York partially filmed in St. Louis?
Or was that obvious and I just killed the joke? Wouldn’t be the first time…
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
yes,
I’m almost positive that the fight in the boxing ring scene was filmed at kiel
I'm out of champagna. How about some 7-Up and Mad Dog 20/20?
by The Continental on Jul 27, 2010 2:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Watch this if you've seen Inception already
…Actually, there’s no real spoilers. It’s about the music
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Terrific! Thanx.
"They punched me a lot," Holliday said of the celebration [after his July 18 walk-off single]. "But they were good punches."
Vince Coleman?
I’m not sure I’ve ever seen a Cardinal rookie enter the major league roster and make the kind of impression that Coleman did in that ‘85 lineup. Sure, his average wasn’t as high, but his running game changed the offense and his play in the outfield was jaw-dropping.
I just had a quick look
In Vince’s 3rd big-league game, he had FIVE attempted steals, three of which were successful.
Lonnie Smith and Tom Herr attempted three more that game, one of which was successful (Lonnie, natch).
God, Whiteyball was crazy.
by Andyfantastic on Jul 27, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
When Coleman got on first base, the atmosphere was electric.
The crowd buzzed in anticipation of the steal. EVERYONE knew he was going to steal. The other team would throw over to first multiple times. And he would still get an incredible jump and still take second, much to the joy of the fans in Busch. It was incredible.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
My dad tells me
how when the pitcher would throw over, Vince’s lead would be so big he would literally take a step and jump/dive back to first. I’d love to see some video of that. My dad also described it the same way as you how everyone knew what was going to happen, and he would still steal 2nd AND 3rd.
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
At the end of days for Busch II,
MLB put out a “Greatest Games in Busch Stadium” DVD that is pretty awesome. I have my quibbles (How on earth is Game 7 of the 2004 NLCS on it and not Game 6?), but it is a pretty great DVD set. One of the games is from the 1987 World Series and you get a pretty good sense of what it was like when Vince got on-base. I have seen this set on sale for way less than what I paid for it. In St. Louis, I bet you could find it at a second-hand book/DVD/CD shop. Otherwise, try eBay. It’s a fun DVD set.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
cool, thanks
I’ll have to look for that
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
Do you remember what it was like when both Vince and Willie were on?
Everybody in the stadium knew a double steal was going to happen, and the catcher knew there wasn’t a damn thing he could do about it.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 27, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I have a 1985 Donruss baseball card commemorating a double steal,
signed by Vince and Willie.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
You lucky bastard.
I’m absolutely green with envy right now.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 27, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
My favorite part of this whole charade
was how he would force 4 throws to first base and then play chicken with the opposing team by allowing them to pitch out a time or two and THEN steal the bag. So he gets to second and the batter has a 2-0 count as well.
I distinctly remember him stealing second base multiple times DURING a pitch out.
The closest I can describe Busch during those years was the atmosphere during the final game of the movie Major League when the crowd is doing the Go! Go! Go! chant with Wllie Mays Hayes at first base.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
I remember him
stealing second more than one time when he was picked off. Seriously.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
was just over at STLToday reading about Lohse....
Why do the people who comment over there have to be so stupid….“Lohse should have to stay down in memphis for 2 months and prove that he is worthy of pitching in the majors”…..really? Well, i guess we can just continue to win games with Suppan til Lohse “proves himself”.
Good grief, it’s people like that that make Cardinal fans look like a joke.
because P-D forums.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
i still can't believe i used to hang out there....for YEARS!
*facepalm
bernie was the one who ultimately led me here…i will always be thankful
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
Believe it or not,
I engaged in a lengthy email exchange with Derrick Goold about the failure to re-sign Grudz and I wound up here. That was long, long ago. There is a reason I still try to read everything Goold writes, I guess.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I ended up here from reading MLBTR
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
buster olney for me
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
I think I wandered over after Redbird Nation closed up
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Don't really remember how I got here, but I know it was around the trade deadline
May have been MLBTR for me too
"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles
by jd is legend on Jul 27, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
it was when we got holliday and HL scooped the story
bernie gave him a shoutout and said that VEB was the best unofficial blog out there.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
Did you end up going to Yogurtland yesterday?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
no i'm in full-on home improvement mode
i have been to lowe’s three times in four days, and that’s where i was last night.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
i have been to home depot once during that time, as well, for plants.
lowe’s seems to be better for upgrading-type projects and they have really good customer service.
home depot is where i go for plants (better selection) and if i want to build something.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
Lowe's seems to have better quality stuff
based on the small sample size of items i’ve compared between the two stores.
"He’s in his own world out there. He says he doesn’t cuss. I disagree." - Skip Schumaker on Jason Motte
STOP TRYING TO TRADE SHELBY MILLER!!
yeah i agree with this.
and it all started when i wanted to get new ceiling fans and new vanity lights for the bathrooms and saw absolutely nothing i liked at home depot. but i did buy my weber there.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
Weber
IHB it seems that everyday you say something that makes me like you even more.
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
by albrtfn on Jul 27, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
only way to grill
"He’s in his own world out there. He says he doesn’t cuss. I disagree." - Skip Schumaker on Jason Motte
STOP TRYING TO TRADE SHELBY MILLER!!
Step 1: Weber
Step 2: Kingsford
Step 3: ?
Step 4: Profit
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
step 3 may include
buying a punch of steak, inviting people over, then charging them to eat your steak
"He’s in his own world out there. He says he doesn’t cuss. I disagree." - Skip Schumaker on Jason Motte
STOP TRYING TO TRADE SHELBY MILLER!!
or bunch
ya know, whatever
"He’s in his own world out there. He says he doesn’t cuss. I disagree." - Skip Schumaker on Jason Motte
STOP TRYING TO TRADE SHELBY MILLER!!
heh, i was like "what's a punch steak? i have to try that!"
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
What else are people for?
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 27, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
i just bought it
it was already dead.
"He’s in his own world out there. He says he doesn’t cuss. I disagree." - Skip Schumaker on Jason Motte
STOP TRYING TO TRADE SHELBY MILLER!!
Guessing that ?= meat.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 27, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Negative.....
Step 2 Lump charcoal…..something like Royal Oak. Much better results than briquettes.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
there used to be a place that sold that
back home, but it went out of business so I went back to briquettes. I believe Kingsford has a charwood though.
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
Most Walmarts carry it.
It’s the only reason that I go there, as they are the only place in town I can get good Lump charcoal. (Stay away from the cowboy brand they sell at HD & Lowes…awful stuff.)
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
yeah
I don’t do wal-mart
and I won’t explain why
/no politics
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
I agree....but I gotta get my lump charcoal.
When you live in BFE, sometimes your choices are limited.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Or Frontier...
(available at Sam’s across the South and Midwest)
/companyman
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.
rec'd.
seriously though, i’m usually pretty frugal, but with something like this, where i knew i would use it all the time, i wanted the best.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
Someday
I want a Big Green Egg too. It’s on my bucket list
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
They are good,
but the same results can be achieved at a fraction of the cost with a good smoker. The BGE is a great smoker, but it’s tough to justify the price tag unless you are using it a whole lot.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
the lifetime warranty too
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
I am extremely content not being a homeowner for several years
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
its tough. but if you buy something that is awesome when you buy it, its not so bad
i bought a house in a great location with an awesome layout for a fantastic price that was ugly as hell on the inside.
i knew what i was getting into.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
We're redoing a 100+ yr old farm house.
I feel your pain.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 27, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Clearing things up...
Good grief, it’s morans like that that make Cardinal fans look like a joke.
"When I gave up a grand slam to Pete LaCock," Bob Gibson said later, "I knew it was time to quit."
yeah trade deadline
Then I discovered gametheads. I would just read and laugh the whole game. (and be really confused most of the time)
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
I came here because Goold mentioned VEB in an article
by Mulliganstew on Jul 27, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
am still convinced he's one of us
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Nobody who knows me will be surprised by this....
but I was looking for Colby Rasmus news back in the spring of 2008, found Future Redbirds, which had some posts from azruavatar, googled his SN, and ended up here.
I was reading lboro’s stuff related to the minor leagues and that’s what got me hooked on this site.
Been a daily reader ever since.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Actually, I think that's how I found this site as well
I was at a painfully boring job where I just sat at my computer all day (like this one, only the location of this job is significantly awesomer), and I was just browsing Cards minor league news. Found Future Redbirds (back then with a .com ending!), browsed the blogosphere on their site, found this one
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
curious, mysterui, how you became a cards fan. are you from stl?
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
Rolla. Grew up in Rolla, wanted to get as far away from there as possible, so I went to school in LA
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Yeah, I thought so. I do miss it sometimes, though.
Most of my closest friends are still there
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Do you know Landon Durrick?
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
Uh, yeah actually
He was one of my best friends growing up. One of the nicest guys I’ve ever met
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Yeah like when you emailed me?!
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
to be fair, your veb profile lists your website, where you have your email address
its not like i went into stalker mode
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
Oh yeah, that website
Best class I’ve ever taken at USC. I should show teams that when I apply
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
I was on his 3rd grade basketball team
his Dad was the coach, Then he moved to Rolla. One of my groomsmen is still really good friends with him.
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
Pat? He was the manager at K-Mart, which was my first job ever
But I knew Landon way before then. He moved here in 7th grade I think? He played sax in band, I played sax in band, he played basketball, I played basketball. To top it all off, he lived like 3 streets over from me
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Yeah, he was neighbors with my groomsman
so we hung out whenever i’d go over to my groomsman’s house throughout elementary school.
Oh VEB, where anonymity goes to die
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
Does this make us... friends?
You wanna, like, hang out?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
you wanna meet up at the VEB gamethread tonight?
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
Yeah, and maybe grab a beer afterwards?
I mean, I’m several thousand miles away from you, but we can each go to a bar and pretend like the other is there
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Take your laptop to the bar
"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles
by jd is legend on Jul 27, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
The bars around here actually do have Wifi
Some of them, at least
Oh Seattle
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
BWW has wifi i think
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
/hangs head in shame
I actually have participated in a VEB gamethread form my laptop at the bar before.
that's not bad then
Sounds like a great way to pass the time in an airport.
VEB +$8beer=great times
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
You'd feel like you really at the game then.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 27, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Except the beer is stronger.
"They punched me a lot," Holliday said of the celebration [after his July 18 walk-off single]. "But they were good punches."
afterwards you can play xbox together
"He’s in his own world out there. He says he doesn’t cuss. I disagree." - Skip Schumaker on Jason Motte
STOP TRYING TO TRADE SHELBY MILLER!!
didn't like Rolla, huh?
All I know is there is a school there and a Pannera’s. When I first moved to Missouri (2006) that was one of the few places along I-44 between Springfield and St. Louis where you could buy a decent cup of coffee.
"I told myself from the very beginning: 'If he's going to throw a shutout, then he's going to tie,'" Wainwright said. "He was not going to beat me today."
If you add in the Wal-Mart, which is the local hangout spot
You’ve named all the redeeming qualities of the city.
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
That's Lebanon
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
I think we're Rollites actually
Though I just use “Fucked”
Seriously, I would venture a guess that 85% of my graduating class never get out of the city, with most of them having children in their teens. I have friends who have gotten pregnant, married, and divorced, and they just turned 21
Most of them have no ambition and no DESIRE of finding a better life. There’s a pretty good school right there in the city that everyone from RHS gets into, yet they still don’t try. I don’t understand not having ambition at all
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
that's just how some people are
of course, my ambition has led me from Springfield to the boringest of the world’s non-Rolla towns, so what can I say?
אנא טוני לא יותר ט.א.ס.ס
Ok, I need to know what is more boring than Springfield
Where do you live?
"I told myself from the very beginning: 'If he's going to throw a shutout, then he's going to tie,'" Wainwright said. "He was not going to beat me today."
Now in an undisclosed location for the summer, but for college purposes, Hanover, NH.
אנא טוני לא יותר ט.א.ס.ס
I got here from a link on Yahoo
I think the BLS page had all the SBN baseball blogs linked on the side and I saw Cardinals and clicked. Best click evar.
"He’s in his own world out there. He says he doesn’t cuss. I disagree." - Skip Schumaker on Jason Motte
STOP TRYING TO TRADE SHELBY MILLER!!
I was looking for pornography
and am badly dyslexic.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jul 28, 2010 7:43 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
we got moar manrockets.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
but at least they can take solace in that they aren't as relentlessly self-congratulatory.
אנא טוני לא יותר ט.א.ס.ס
by chalk on Jul 27, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
moar carpenter?
andrewdmoses Matt Carpenter (3B-AA-SPR) is .351/.478/.757 in his last 10 games. #stlcards 37 minutes ago via web
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
That's some serious
luggage to the baseball, right there.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Jul 27, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
they should just promote him immediately
challenge him, see how he does at memphis – there’s no third baseman there anyway, and i don’t think carpenter is too young.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
they probably should
here’s his 2010 line
.305/.416/.472 in 341 ABs
that’s split between
.317/.406/.502 in 243 ABs in springfield and .276/.437/.398 in 98 ABs in palm beach
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
agreed. it's not like Gotay is blocking him and he's almost 25
might as well see what he’s got at AAA.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 27, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
possibly
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
who can't?
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
Aaron Miles?
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.
by TBender on Jul 27, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
NATRH
(not according to Rick Horton)
On the radio broadcast last night I almost drove off the road when Horton was saying how Miles was overlooked and that he was just a hitter and “he can play 2B too” AAUUUUUGGGH!
by ArkansasTravs on Jul 28, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I doubt he could play 2B, if he could they would have him there already I'd imagine.
Good defense at 3B though.
Imagine if you will a defensive 3B who has Jack Cust’s skill set. That’s Matt Carpenter. Draws a shitload of walks and has sporadic power.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
I doubt he'll hit for anything like Cust's power in the majors
He won’t have anything like his walkrate, either, and should probably hit for more average. I think you pegged a really good comp yesterday (I can’t recall who for, off the top of my head, but it was dead on) but that’s a really bizarre one to me. I don’t see Carpenter as being like Cust in any respect; I think he’s almost the OPPOSITE of a TTO guy.
I see him as more of a Skip type, if anything, with a bit more pop. Probably a late-200s BA, reasonable walkrate, not too many Ks, gap power with maybe low-double-digit HR power, if that, as an upside. Basically David Freese with a bit less power upside. However, that’s still pretty good for an 8th round (I think?) pick. If not for Carpenter and, to a lesser extent, Joe Kelly, our 2009 draft would be looking pretty abysmal right now outside of the first round.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jul 28, 2010 7:50 AM EDT up reply actions
He's not a third baseman if he can't hit 10 homers in the bigs
He’d have to be moved off, and from the scouting reports I’ve seen on him, he doesn’t have the lateral movement to play second base, so I’m not sure where he plays if you don’t think he can slug better than .430
If he could play 2nd and 3rd, he be a very good bench bat. Otherwise, unless he has a huge power surge after the age of 25, he’s probably one of those tweeners that doesn’t have a position for his bat.
Cust probably isn’t a great comp, because Carpenter doesn’t strike out at league leading rates, but I was more focused on the walks, and how getting on base via the walk is the only high level skill that he has.
FWIW, he’s slugging .510 this year and has 9 homers in 253 AB’s in AA. That would be around 20 homers or so in 600 AB’s at Springfield, which could translate to 12-15 in the show. If he gets on base at a .400 rate (and walk rate is one of the more transferable skills from level to level), hits .290 and slugs .440 with 12-15 homers, he could definitely play 3B in the show.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
I have video of his swing
He was smacking the ball on Saturday night, but I need to make sure it was with a good swing.
I was at the game the other day and he was on fire.
He runs full speed from the dugout to his position on the field. Every inning. He had a bunch of hits and drove in half the runs.
To look at him, he’s kinda skinny. I think he’s 24 years old. Played college ball somewhere. I didn’t want to bring it up cause I didn’t want to jinx him. But since you brought it up, Y2S, now I can talk about it.
Had TJ surgery I think.
"I told myself from the very beginning: 'If he's going to throw a shutout, then he's going to tie,'" Wainwright said. "He was not going to beat me today."
sounds like a TLR favorite in the making.
"He’s in his own world out there. He says he doesn’t cuss. I disagree." - Skip Schumaker on Jason Motte
STOP TRYING TO TRADE SHELBY MILLER!!
I have faith in OMS
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Can Jay be taught to play second?
If he can manage 280/340/400 with something better than -8 uzr/150 he’ll be a huge upgrade.
Fire La Russa!
He doesn't need to.
He’d already be better than Miles.
"When I gave up a grand slam to Pete LaCock," Bob Gibson said later, "I knew it was time to quit."
no
but there is allen craig, however…..
chief justice
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 27, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
marlins are in talks to lock him up in a long contract
chief justice
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 27, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
He must like to play to a small crowd.
Maybe it feels more cozy that way.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 27, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
less pressure
if he messes up, maybe no one will have noticed.
"He’s in his own world out there. He says he doesn’t cuss. I disagree." - Skip Schumaker on Jason Motte
STOP TRYING TO TRADE SHELBY MILLER!!
He's left handed
VivaElBirdos: Celebrating glorious mustaches since 2009
by redbirdnation8206 on Jul 27, 2010 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Where's this magical .060 ISOpatience coming from?
That’s beyond Jay’s abilities, IMO.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jul 28, 2010 7:52 AM EDT up reply actions
nice assessment Larry
sure it’s only 100 plate appearances but Jay has looked very comfortable in spring training the last two seasons as well.
chief justice
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 27, 2010 1:39 PM EDT reply actions
btw, i just saw pujols on letterman...great interview
he looked great, seemed comfortable, happy… i loved the AJ stories.
i’m sure everyone already talked about it, but just adding my $.02. i was smiling the whole time. i felt very proud.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
me too
I was watching it on my phone. I’ve got a Spanish exchange student staying with me. He’s been asking about the various Pujols memorabilia around my apartment so I thought it was a perfect time to introduce him to Pujols.
Conversation:
student: So he’s the best on the Cardinals?
me: He’s the best in baseball.
/proud moment
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
I thought his shirt was cool too
he’s a great guy
chief justice
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 27, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
we live-blogged.
it was a bit anticlimactic, but I think all the high points were in there
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Wonderful!
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I'll bet $500 internet dollars
that there was an editor involved.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
no (really)?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
or I Claudius
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jul 28, 2010 7:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Pulling a Joe Morgan:
but inconsistency is starting to look like a (forgive me) consistent characteristic of this club.
That’s was a consistently consistent sentence.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
He needs to concetrate more on that capitalisation, though.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jul 28, 2010 7:53 AM EDT up reply actions
It's an impostor
Too many capital letters
"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles
by jd is legend on Jul 27, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
lol Matt Garza
his dad tells him he sucks after every bad outing
so he called back with his line from last night…
and his dad says, “Yeah, but you’re not an All-Star.”
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
he's into full-contact celebrations
can’t go halfway.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
HFS™ Waino's ERA is 1.94?
WOW. I know, I know….FIP, xFIP, all that jazz. but to have a sub-2.00 ERA at the end of July is really impressive.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
FIP and xFIP both like him as well
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
No doubt
and would you believe that DOESN’T lead the National League?
Meet Josh Johnson, who’s having one of most sick seasons in recent memory for an NL pitcher. His 258 ERA+ would be the 4th best season in the modern era.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Pedro has 5 seasons in the top 50
and his 291 in 2000 is beyond ridiculous. That’s basically unhittable.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Yeah, Pedro was really frickin' amazing.
He’s the only excuse for the multitudes of Red Sox bandwagoneers.
אנא טוני לא יותר ט.א.ס.ס
If someone said
“I am a Red Sox fan exclusively because of Pedro Martinez”, I would not dislike them even though they are Red Sox fans.
Not afraid to nitpick
I would hope he would
but with only 10 wins and never being on national TV or a game of the week, he might not.
Wainwright’s problem is that Garcia and Carpenter have been so good, he’ll probably have to split votes with them….kinda like the year that Andre Dawson won the MVP as a matter of fact (Ozzie and Jack split the vote in Clark’s best season)
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
slightly OT: waino's starts & my waino shersey
since i got my waino shersey july 4th, he is 3-0 with a no decision (his last start against philly). wearing it again today!
Since the beginning of the season, Wainwright is 14-5 with a 1.94 ERA
…I don’t think it’s the shersey =P
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Oh, don't piss on the kid's parade.
He’s in Michigan, needs all the help he can get.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 27, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, that's practically canada
the poor bastard
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
by prophetjohn on Jul 27, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
rec'd for canada usage.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 27, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
i think
it’s the combo of your shersey and my BP jersey. he’s been pretty good since i got the BP jersey!
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
Haha I'm just giving you a hard time
If I didn’t believe in luck, then why would I keep following Aaron Miles for his pot of gold?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Since '08,
I have worn my Wainwright (not “Wagonmaker”) shersey to every Wainwright start I’ve attended. Neither he nor the team have lost any of those games.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
He better not become Bo Hart
but i don’t think he’s all of a sudden starting material.
"He’s in his own world out there. He says he doesn’t cuss. I disagree." - Skip Schumaker on Jason Motte
STOP TRYING TO TRADE SHELBY MILLER!!
OBP as of today
Reds: .335
Cards: .334
Hmmm. So, it must be SLG. The Reds are 20 points higher.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
they do play in a bandbox...I'm guessing a lot more dingers at home?
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 27, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Scotty actually said that.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
They have 119 HR; we have 100.
71 of the Reds’ HRs are at home, which is tied with the Yankees for second-most homers at home in MLB behind Toronto. We have 45 homers at Busch III.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Lineup
Lopez 3B,
Jay CF,
Pujols 1B,
Holliday LF,
Ludwick RF,
Molina C,
Ryan SS,
Waino P,
Miles 2B
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Yea I love the way Jay is hitting right now but
I don’t see how Colby is suppose to break out of his slump riding the bench.
by mick311 on Jul 27, 2010 3:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Seriously.
Why is Colby not playing? Does anyone know if he is injured?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
He's been struggling. A LOT
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
So, TLR counters with Jon Jay...who is a left-handed batter?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
is there any where to get jay's minor league splits?
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
There is literally a site called minorleaguesplits.com haha
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
by mysterui on Jul 27, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The .685 career MiLB OPS vs. LHP is not heartening.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Much better in the high minors though
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Yeah,
he could have a new skill. I hope he has a new skill, but I’d still start Rasmus over Jay vs. a LHP.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
damnit what is wrong with google?!?!?!?!
i literally googled “baseball minor league splits”
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
i think we have determined that google acts differently depending on the region
so i’m going with that.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
That would surprise me, but I can't think of any other reason we'd get different results
Would certainly make SEO even more of a clusterfuck than it already is, I imagine. But I suppose it is possible. I should ask my buddy who works at Google.
personalized search
on by default, I believe, if you’re logged in to your google account
by brackenthebox on Jul 27, 2010 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions
at this point
when they’re on the roster but not playing, I’m assuming they’re hurt and Tony is enforcing radio silence….at least until I hear evidence to the contrary.
in what universe?
I have to shake my head.
"I told myself from the very beginning: 'If he's going to throw a shutout, then he's going to tie,'" Wainwright said. "He was not going to beat me today."
In what world could you possibly beat me?
NAME THAT MOVIE
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Fuck yeah.
For some odd reason, A Knight’s Tale is on the short lists for my favorite movies of all time. I honestly don’t know why I love it so much.
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
I was going to suggest Alan Tudyk.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
?
isn’t it awful?
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jul 28, 2010 7:57 AM EDT up reply actions
yea im scrolling down through the lineup and...
Shit! Miles! Thanks Tony, for ALMOST giving us a good lineup. Yea I have to agree, why the hell can’t Greene be at 2nd tonight?
by mick311 on Jul 27, 2010 3:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
yea im scrolling down through the lineup and...
Shit! Miles! Thanks Tony, for ALMOST giving us a good lineup. Yea I have to agree, why the hell can’t Greene be at 2nd tonight?
by mick311 on Jul 27, 2010 3:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
we have snipers now
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
It's the Future Yadi program...
Teaching kids to gun down suckas since 2004.
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
by ducttape16 on Jul 27, 2010 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
personally im rooting for an 0-4 night from Miles
Rasmus can hit lefties
cardinalred
St. Louis Sports blog
by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 27, 2010 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions
since the only reason im rooting for an 0-4 is so that his production goes down
which results in him being DFA’d…. end result justifies the means so this would please me more
Rasmus can hit lefties
cardinalred
St. Louis Sports blog
by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 27, 2010 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm sorry
I don’t care who he is or how bad he’s supposed to be. If he keeps hitting well/lucky, he’s helping the Cards win. Now, if he keeps screwing up in the field, we’ll have another story.
by Mulliganstew on Jul 27, 2010 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions
problem is the luckier he gets
the more the chance he stays on our roster and hits in high leverage situations (he pinch hit for Carpenter with men on base and two outs – slow roller to short – SURPRISE!)
oh and that tyler greene will get sent down instead of DFAing Miles if he continues this
Rasmus can hit lefties
cardinalred
St. Louis Sports blog
by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 27, 2010 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions
If he fails in those situations it won't go unnoticed.
by Mulliganstew on Jul 27, 2010 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions
but he has and they've increased his playing time lately
ala due to injury to Tyler Greene, but nonetheless very unnecessarily
Rasmus can hit lefties
cardinalred
St. Louis Sports blog
by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 27, 2010 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions
as far as i know, schu, boog, and lopez are available
why sit any of them during the stretch? its 4 games and miles has started two of them now
Rasmus can hit lefties
cardinalred
St. Louis Sports blog
by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 27, 2010 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions
He could go 0 for his next 50
He’s not getting DFA’d
"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles
by jd is legend on Jul 27, 2010 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Which is worrying me.
Because I want the Post-Freese DL lineup to be 3B Freese / SS Ryan / 2B Lopez so bad.
no he doesn't
we all know he got luck with his slap crappy approach for awhile, but the last week or so has already seen the beginning of the inevitable slide back into atrociousness: .250 OBP, 42 OPS+. Sure, it’s only 12 PAs so it’s not predictive of anything….unless you, uh, combine it with all his PAs from the entire season last year.
FUCK YOU MILES GET THE FUCK OFF MY TEAM
by vivaelpujols on Jul 27, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
No hating on Cardinals....
…unless we somecow got Jason Marquis Back. And as you all know, I HATE…well, you know.
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
Hey, it was raining! And they had to take cabs!
And obviously some cabs take 90 minutes longer to go 6 blocks.
preparing for a math test i have tonight
car problems have prevented me from going to any classes since the last test
should be interesting. i’ve caught on to everything pretty well, but i can’t say i understand why e^(x^2) is not invertible
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
x^2 isn't invertible because
it starts out decreasing, them starts increasing at y=0 and therefore does not pass the horizontal line test. e^(x^2) is always increasing unless gcalc online graphing calculator is not to be believed
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
hurr durr
unless my notation is faulty which it is
it read what i put in there as (e^x)^2
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
Boo math...
Gotta love that I’m one of like 3 engineers who suck at math.
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
Sanitation engineer?
"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles
by jd is legend on Jul 27, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Civil...
Luckily I don’t do design work so you have nothing to fear.
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
half of my biological engineering program sucks at math
I like to think of us as a soft engineering field
by brackenthebox on Jul 27, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I do roadway stuff...
and I’m doing Resident Engineer type work so all the math I really need to know are how to calculate areas. and sum up totals… Really makes all that Diff Eq and 4 calc classes useless.
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
differential equations
is why i’m glad i’m a computer science major
even the mathiest people i know say that class is just a tedious bitch
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
though i may still have to take it
for my math minor. not sure
i have to take 2 calc classes and 2 discrete math classes for my major
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
if you haven't already and it would somehow count, take linear algebra
dramatically more useful, particularly in CS
by brackenthebox on Jul 27, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
i know i need
1 or 2 math electives, so i’ll keep that in mind
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
Linear Algebra is like a class that teaches you
the shortest way to do countless problems. Understanding matrices will save you tons of time doing calculations.
Loved that class.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
using the term "linear" as a synonym for "matrix"
is one of the cruelest hoaxes in mathematics.
by nota bene on Jul 27, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I actually enjoyed Diff Eq's
I don’t remember a lick of it, but I rocked the shit and got an A
"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles
by jd is legend on Jul 27, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
what I found frustrating
you spend 4+ years learning how to analytically integrate ODEs and PDEs (for the roughly two PDEs with real solutions), before discovering that any equation of practical relevance is gonna be solved numerically.
by brackenthebox on Jul 27, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh yeah...
I think a lot of the stuff I was forced to take was just so I’d know what I was doing on the FE exam my senior year. Nothing can convince me otherwise of this.
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
Fiancee is going to be doing Project Management
easy on the math
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
ugh...
the construction management stuff which is lumped in with civil engineering cause it really doesn’t fit anywhere else, but really requires no engineering understanding to make it work. I’m not bitter at those people or anything…
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
Depends on your definition.
What I do is the resident engineer type work which is to ensure stuff is being built properly and to take care of any problems which arise in building it such as design assumptions which don’t match field conditions and things like that.
Construction management from the definition I look at is being on the contractor’s payroll and scheduling crews and material deliveries and other stuff like that. It’s a skill to have, just not sure if it’s an engineering skill. From what I’ve seen it’s more people skills than anything else.
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
Yeah I think like you said
It’s mainly lumped in their so you can pass the FE then become a PE eventually.
Though, right now she’s interning with Exelon, so maybe she’ll go that route.
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
there* fail
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
To whoever asked me to record the game on Saturday...
It’s been transferred to my machine. Let me know what you want me to do from there.
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
I just sent you an e-mail about windshield wipers, when you get a minute
"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles
by jd is legend on Jul 27, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Sounds about right...
I’ve been working nites lately so I’m a bit fuzzy on details.
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
Can someone yell at Alex for me?
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/acceptingrandomness/
I am really trying to wean myself from commenting on FanGraphs, but this guy is just such a little douche. I know, I know… but, I just can’t let stuff go.
I've posted it before, but I guess I'll post it again
The MLE for Jay’s AAA numbers is .257/.308/.359.
It’s up to you whether you think he can beat that or not, of course. I think he probably can (I expect a higher BA than that, though possibly less patience), but not by a whole ton. This power seems like it’s probably a mirage to me.
He looks like a fourth OF to me, though I am certainly enjoying the hot streak. With his defense, I imagine his upside is an average centerfielder for a team that doesn’t have Colby.
I hope I’m wrong, though.
i don't think houston needs outfielders though
by YesWeOquendo on Jul 27, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
John Jay to San Francisco, SF cash to Houston, Roy Oswalt + cash to St. Louis?
"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles
by jd is legend on Jul 27, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
coghlan being hurt means florida may be looking for a cheap bat
jay/craig + a reliever might net us nolasco
by YesWeOquendo on Jul 27, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
they have a better prospect in Logan Morrison that they just brought up
he’s a natural first baseman but will play left (anyone can play left, after all). #16 best prospect in baseball according to baseball america and much more valuable than Craig/Jay.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 27, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
They plan to try and extend Nolasco fwiw.
So dealing for him is not very feasible atm.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
Is that the MLE for Jay's total AAA numbers?
He was injured at least once last season and had a down year that had him spiralling down the prospect rankings from borderline-top-10 in a better Cards system at the end of 2008, to somewhere in the low teens at the end of 2009. I’m not sure 2009 is wholly representative of his skillset, tbh. Even his 2008 MLE (AA and AAA combined) is slightly better than those numbers.
His MLE for this year in AAA is .276/.335/.406, which is almost exactly on league average for 2010 (he’s got an ever so slightly higher OBP than average, SLG is dead on). He’s done that with a .353 BABIP, which is high, although it should be noted that minor league BABIPs do tend to be on the high side, and he’s pretty quick and seems to drive the ball pretty well.
FWIW, I think “league average hitter” is probably Jay’s ceiling (if he’s a league average hitter, with his good defense in CF he’s probably a 3 WAR player), but even if he’s a bit below league average (if I had to make a WAG at his major league true talent, I’d go .275/.325/.395). He’s 25 and hitting his prime, although I tend to agree he’s either a very good 4th OF or a decent starter on a less good team. I’m beginning to think he’s probably got a very good shot at being league average, which I suppose would be the definition of a starter, albeit not a great one on a contending team.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jul 28, 2010 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions
bj rains begins his stalker series
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
in a dramatic departure, bj attempts no prose at all, and instead transcribes everything.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
it's here!!!
THE MAN
via Goold’s facebook thing.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 27, 2010 3:34 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Is this real?
if so, I’m buying it yesterday
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
Goold says it's real!
(Pos was talking about it in his blog a while back.)
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
More proof
http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2010/07/27/stan-the-man-2/
From the author hisself
100% Sober, 40% of the time
That's F"ING BEAUTIFUL!!!!!
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 27, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm going to a book store to buy that tomorrow.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
call ahead
last time I picked up an SI, they kept it behind the counter
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I always wanted to pick up a copy of the one
with Stan and Ted Williams. I think it’s a 1957 magazine. I will definitely be saving this one though!
Joe’s been teasing this for a while. He’s hinted around the possibility of writing a book about him a time or 2 also. If this ever actually happens, I’ll be like the kids that were waiting to meet Zac Efron in South County last week.
by Merry CRasmus on Jul 27, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
just got free tickets to Fridays game, 7 rows from the field
(not sure on exact section yet)
Hawksworth vs Santana?….at least they are free
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
I'm freakin out man...
Oh this isn’t a caption contest… crap my bad.
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
True, I forgot the actual 'Thing'
'Don't kiss an ass if its in the process of shitting on you.' - Best advice ever.
Evil Dead.
I wonder how Greene would hit with a chainsaw hand.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Yes, right again. Damnit.
And I think he would get ‘sawed off’ everytime.
'Don't kiss an ass if its in the process of shitting on you.' - Best advice ever.
Jessica Alba's hottest movie
"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles
by jd is legend on Jul 27, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Her + Angel costume = Heisenberg's needs a towel
'Don't kiss an ass if its in the process of shitting on you.' - Best advice ever.
Or pajamas
"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles
by jd is legend on Jul 27, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Random stat...
over his career Pujols hits .314 when he puts the ball in play to the opposite field (infield or outfield). He’s put the ball in play to the opposite field 778 times in his career, or about once every two games.
This year, in 98 games, he’s 3 for 32 going the other way. Yes, 3 for 32. This seems like it is indicative of something.
Fire La Russa!
Someone has too much time on their hands
to dig something like that up?
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
That goes without saying!
I actually find myself in an odd situation: my employer, who I don’t care about, pays me an hourly wage to do a task that is both boring and not really quantifiable or measurable. What’s one to do?
Fire La Russa!
Drink at work?
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
possibilities
1. sample size is too small
2. defenses are playing him differently
3. he’s trying to pull the ball more (his Ks are up and he’s hitting more flies this year, is he just trying to turn into a pure home run hitter?)
Your sample size is too small
OH SNAP
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
The sample is 98 games...
32 is how many balls he’s hit the other way. The fact that he only has three hits is just luck, but he’s clearly not going the other way as much as he used to.
Fire La Russa!
if you look below, it seems that's been happening since '08, which is pretty interesting.
אנא טוני לא יותר ט.א.ס.ס
It's also part of a trend
2001-2010 – BIP to the opposite field / Babip to the opposite field
98 354
92 330
94 355
96 275
95 319
75 329
84 305
58 375
54 264
32 094
Three opposite field hits in 98 games in unimaginable for Pujols. His signature is ripping the line drives all over the place.
Fire La Russa!
While this is true,
I think that most right handed power hitters develop into pull hitters as they get older. I don’t know why that is, but examples would be Hank Aaron (who hit a lot of opposite field homers and doubles early in his career but was pretty much a pull hitter after age 32.), Frank Robinson, and Carl Yastrzemski. Even A-Rod is pretty much a pull hitter now and he used to use the whole park as well as anyone.
In fact, Manny Ramirez is one of the few RHH I can think of that is still great at squaring the ball up the other way.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
That's a pretty significant sample size
98 games worth of data, not 32 balls he’s put in play the other way.
He’s putting it in play the other way much less than he has in every other year of his career to this point, and he’s not been successful going that way this season.
Without a little more data, it’s also hard to say whether that’s unlucky or not. If 60% of the balls to that side are fly balls, that’s a pretty good indicator he’s not squaring the ball up to right field.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
This data also agrees with observation
at least it seems so to me. Based purely on subjective observation while watching games this year, it seems to me that part of Albert’s problem (.296/.401/.553 is a problem?) is that he is trying to pull everything. Instead of going with a low-outside pitch and punching it into right, he’s constantly rolling over it and sending an easy bouncer to SS. Well, that and he’s having a bit of bad luck w/ BABIP and swinging at significantly more balls out of the zone than his career numbers.
by ArkansasTravs on Jul 28, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Asshat's 10 degrees
As bad as that Jason Bay deal looks – among the outfielders with more Wins Above Replacement than him: Tony Gwynn Jr., Jim Edmonds, Jack Cust and Jon Jay, he of 90 at-bats – his is not close to the worst on the Mets’ roster.
HFS he’s been bad
"He’s in his own world out there. He says he doesn’t cuss. I disagree." - Skip Schumaker on Jason Motte
STOP TRYING TO TRADE SHELBY MILLER!!
all who recommended him over holliday should come out for their public flogging....you know who you are....
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 27, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think anybody did, here, did they?
I think 99% of us would’ve thrown up if we’d signed Bay instead, especially to that deal. It was roundly derided in pretty much all corners as being a massive overpay from what I recall.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jul 28, 2010 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Theo Epstein will have another, sir!
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
I find it hilarious that Dan n' Al thought Francoeur
was the subject of trade talks. Can you trade guys to Japan for sushi? Because I’m guessing that’s the only place that would take him.
Even after his dinger tonight.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
I really like Jay. I really believe his ceiling is all-star caliber... .320/.370/.480 type with ++ defense.
Most players don’t ever reach the proverbial ceiling, though, and he’ll likely be a Will Venable-type… valuable until he hits FA at the very least.
I hope he stays a Cardinal. Even as his more likely .280/.340/.400 level he saves us from worrying too much about Dunkiel 2.0 should Holliday/Rasmus go down for an extended period of time.
"If I'm in a slump, I ask myself for advice" - Ichiro
that line will not happen in a million years
in fact, i’ll be shocked if he pulled off .300… .480 slugging percentage – career high is .457 – that was in AA and last year it was .394…..
let’s be realsitic here please
Rasmus can hit lefties
cardinalred
St. Louis Sports blog
by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 27, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
he just said his "more likely" line would be a .400 slugging percentage, with a .280 avg. He's already being realisitc.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 27, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
i still don't think that's his ceiling at all - that's what i meant being realistic
if he pulled off the aforementioned line, then he got dramatically better than he’s ever played in the minor leagues
and .740 OPS is less than league average… i know his defense would make him a servicable starter though but even in his hot streak im not very impressed by his power potential (lately, he’s killing the ball, but before his hits were in the mold of lucky)
Rasmus can hit lefties
cardinalred
St. Louis Sports blog
by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 27, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm gonna laugh when he is putting up around .800 OPS
cuz haters gonna hate
chief justice
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 27, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
hey if he does this in a full season (not 100 plate appearances)
i’ll gladly concede you were right…. i just really really doubt this happens
Rasmus can hit lefties
cardinalred
St. Louis Sports blog
by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 27, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
league average OPS is .735 this year
.740 is close enough to average most years that, given he’s likely to be slightly more OBP-heavy (as opposed to SLG) he’ll be an average hitter if he can do that. I tend to think that being a league average hitter is about as much as we’ll get from him.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jul 28, 2010 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't think that his ceiling is near that high
The steroid era is over, and that’s the only way I could see him slugging .480 in the big leagues.
I think a .270/.340/.420 line would be about what he’s capable of over 1000 AB’s or so. He’s got good gap power and should be able to hit 25-30 doubles every year, and he’ll get a triple or two as well I’d imagine. But I’d be shocked if he was able to hit more than 15 homers over a full season. The league will catch up to him.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
in other unrelated news, Keith Law says Bonds belongs in the HOF
lots of twitter discussion about various HOF-potential players
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
Of course he belongs in the HOF
He was better than Griffey before he supposedly started juice.
Not afraid to nitpick
doesn't matter
he took steroids…. if you leave him out because he took steroids, it doesn’t matter at all what he did without them…
i think he should be in though just i don’t agree with the logic that he would have made it anyway because the whole point of excluding them is the simple fact that they took it
Rasmus can hit lefties
cardinalred
St. Louis Sports blog
by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 27, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
It's all sanctimonius bullshit on the part of the sportswriters anyway
They should go cry about college kids taking adderall if they want to get into dangerous performance enhancers.
Not afraid to nitpick
yeh i really hate sportswriters who act as if they wouldn't take steroids
when there were no repercussions and you become a millionaire if it works out….. seriously we’re talking about a legal (in baseball) performance enhancer with no repercussions (at least at the time)
Rasmus can hit lefties
cardinalred
St. Louis Sports blog
by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 27, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
To me,
if the players are damned for having done so, then the owners, managers, front office personnel, and sportswriters are all equally damned for either being so incompetent that they didn’t notice or willfully turning a blind eye. No sportswriter from the Selig era should get in if no player from the Selig era is going to get in.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
He deserves it too imo.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
Damn SBN.
Just hope the Hall is willing to put McGwire in if they will put in Bonds, even though their numbers don’t even compare.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
I've been trying for weeks
to come up with a really funny “Aaron Miles is a SSS” joke, but it hasn’t come to me.
i think you just did?
aaron miles is a SSS of nick stavinoha
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
Super Small Stavinoha
"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles
by jd is legend on Jul 27, 2010 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I got banned from Future Redbirds again =(
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Work for the Mariners
"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles
by jd is legend on Jul 27, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, i didn't do anything
This happened a couple of weeks back, too… Nobody could get on the site. Told them they were banned
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
put a www.
in front of futureredbirds.net
by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 27, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
ah
a secret entrance!
"He’s in his own world out there. He says he doesn’t cuss. I disagree." - Skip Schumaker on Jason Motte
STOP TRYING TO TRADE SHELBY MILLER!!
pj got you
"He’s in his own world out there. He says he doesn’t cuss. I disagree." - Skip Schumaker on Jason Motte
STOP TRYING TO TRADE SHELBY MILLER!!
Who is better, Jon Jay or All-star (!) Michael Bourn?
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 27, 2010 5:13 PM EDT reply actions
The Versatile Omar Infante
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.
Bourn was awesome last year
I actually think he’s pretty similar to Jay. A bit more speed, a bit less power. Otherwise I can see them having very similar careers. Bourn might be a better fielder, too. He’s a legit elite CF.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jul 28, 2010 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions
I think his point rested with the fact that Michael Bourn isn't an all-star.
He’s a homeless man’s Kenny Lofton.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
God it was just raining so hard on 70 near the airport
The roads were starting to flood cause the water wasn’t draining fast enough. I get home and it is sunny outside
not me
he’d be a lot like reyes, imo… can’t get many out, walks too many. saw him on tv frequently when he was in detroit.
For some reason I thought he was a lot better
But even in the past he has sucked. Poor K/BB is a deal breaker for me. He doesn’t even seem like he would be better than Suppan.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 27, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I might actually be better than Suppan
and my fastball tops out, with no control whatsoever, at 73
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 27, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Nate would be a marginal upgrade over Suppan
Nate is about 4.5 FIP this year and Suppan is 5.5. So about a run a game but I am not sure it would be enough for a Cardinals to make a move.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 27, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions
haha
i was just being silly
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 27, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep
he’s better than Suppan, marginally. Could do with soem Duncanizing too – GB% has been dropping the last couple of years. I’d give him a spin if we can’t get something done for Westbrook or Millwood.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jul 28, 2010 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Angel Pagan as the 3rd hitter....
Almost as good as Ben Francisco hitting 3rd….
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
TLR
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 27, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe he is trying to out TLR TLR
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 27, 2010 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe its a TLR infection
(or maybe you are right that maybe its a manuel thing)
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 27, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually,
Pagan is OPSing in the mid-.800s, I think. Or, at least he was at one time.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Beltran
gulp
"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles
by jd is legend on Jul 27, 2010 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions
still recovering beltran
…phew
"He’s in his own world out there. He says he doesn’t cuss. I disagree." - Skip Schumaker on Jason Motte
STOP TRYING TO TRADE SHELBY MILLER!!
Fastlane was talking about
Rockies willingness to move Cook. Anyone heard anything about that?
this thread is all Aaron Mile's fault.
MLBTR has it
Cook has always perplexed me. I always think he sucks more than he actually does. He has a career ERA+ of 109, yet his K/BB is 1.37.
Given his contract, I think I’d pass, unless the Rox are willing to eat some of the money, which doesn’t sound likely.
straight from MLBTR
2:54pm: The Rockies had feelers out a week ago on names ranging from Adam Dunn to Dan Haren, reports Joel Sherman of the New York Post. Sherman says the Rockies are now “quietly shopping” Aaron Cook and are willing to help make the financial aspect work. Cook is still owed $3.75MM this year if traded, plus $10.25MM for 2011, a $500K buyout for ’12, and $125K per year if he reaches 200 innings.
this thread is all Aaron Mile's fault.
bah
that should be quoted and then linked.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/
this thread is all Aaron Mile's fault.
I'd trade air for him if they ate maybe $4m next year
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jul 28, 2010 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions
So anyway.
Does the recruitment of/negotiations with Austin Wilson remind anyone of Billy Beane? (As a player, anyone who has read Moneyball understands this). The situations just seem oddly similar to me, and that’s pretty frightening. The scholarship to Stanford, HS player with all the tools, parents want him to go to Stanford, etc.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
I don't understand why the Cardinals don't offer him a contract with a option like this
if he doesn’t pan out with the Cardinals then they will cover his education at Stanford
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 27, 2010 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions
He'll get around $3 million to sign...
surely he can put aside $250,000 for college. He wouldn’t be able to play baseball at Stanford.
Honestly, the kid should just go to Stanford. He’ll have loads of fun, a good education, and even if he never makes a cent on baseball – for whatever reason – he’ll do fine in life.
Fire La Russa!
What? No
Play baseball, if that doesn’t pan out, go back to school
There’s a very short shelf life for baseball players
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
If he were to graduate at 22.
And take the prospect time that he has, he would still be 28 when he hits FA, and if he is a really good player, will be in line for a huge contract through his prime. I think he will be fine….
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
But what if he isn't?
No one’s a sure thing. Even if you go to Stanford, there’s no guarantee you can just move straight on to pro success – he could flame out or get injured, etc. And then if the baseball doesn’t work out, there’s also no guarantee that just having gone to Stanford will bring you success in life either.
אנא טוני לא יותר ט.א.ס.ס
If he isn't good enough
Then he will have spent 3-4-5-6-7-8-9 years in the minors riding buses, which from what I gather, is not fun at all.
Baseball/life wise, it’s much more fun to go to school. The question is how much money does it take to make up the difference.
Not afraid to nitpick
I agree that it's more fun to go to school (of course, having never played minor league ball, I can't really know)
So I guess it’s all about the money. And on that score, it depends on how much money he/his family already have. Which I don’t know…so I guess taking part in this debate is kind of pointless.
אנא טוני לא יותר ט.א.ס.ס
Right
But I mean it’s impossible for us to say “he should take the money”…….if his parents are jacked, it doesn’t make sense to go ride a bus in rookie ball.
I’ll keep saying it, the only reason to go to the minors over college is if you are getting “life changing money”. That means different things to different people, but that should be the standard IMO.
Not afraid to nitpick
if he invests that $3mm properly, he can have a lot of fun later on
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
Spending 3-4-5-6-7-8-9 years riding buses and getting paid to play baseball,
while having $3M+ in your pocket has got to be better than flaming out after college and then having to go get a real job.
Even AA and AAA guys make decent cash nowadays, $35,000 – $60,000 a year.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
yeah, this.
you can go to college anytime. literally.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
Uhhh
The world isn’t made of magic unicorns. There are lawyers from Stanford who will never see that kind of money combined in their life.
by Mulliganstew on Jul 27, 2010 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Money first. Then take that money if you fail and go back to Stanford with it
by Mulliganstew on Jul 27, 2010 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions
People who have really cool experiences...
are a lot happier than people who have money.
Obviously years of minor league baseball could be a positive experience, but playing baseball at Stanford while getting a world class education, chasing all kinds of tail, and hanging out in the Bay Area is simply better. Going back to Stanford as a 27 year old who failed in the pros and who isn’t eligible to be on the baseball team is not nearly as fun.
Fire La Russa!
Going back to Stanford as a 35 year old who had a productive career and is filthy rich is probably fine, I'd say.
אנא טוני לא יותר ט.א.ס.ס
Why even go back as a rich 35 year old?
If you have money and you’re in middle of life, do something.
Fire La Russa!
The point is, if he goes for the money now he's pretty much set
if not for life, at least for a very long time. Then even if he doesn’t make it into the majors as a productive player, by the time he’s a free agent or released he’ll still have a lot of money, a ton of fantastic experiences and be pretty young.
אנא טוני לא יותר ט.א.ס.ס
Sure, it's fun at 35, if he is good.
At 18, however, Instead of hanging out with college friends, he has to take a ride on a bus all over a section of the country. Doesn’t sound like much fun to me, especially if he rides with college guys who were drafted in high-A.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
Sounds fiscally prudent, though
and you can’t make all your decisions based on fun.
Or you can, but it probably won’t work out well (in general)
אנא טוני לא יותר ט.א.ס.ס
Looking back on my time in college hanging out with friends
I would trade it in a heartbeat to have a chance to be a professional baseball player. In fact, I was offered a spot on the hockey team but the amount of time involved in practice and travel for games was going to destroy my social life.
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 27, 2010 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions
This whole "college as an experience" thing is a lot of bullshit of you ask me.
I had a good time in college, but everyone always remembers the “good times” they had….they never remember having to get up for an 8 AM class to listen a professor who loves himself above all else drone on for 90 minutes about how much he knows about Chemistry.
Also, my brother played college baseball for 4 years and significantly less fun than I did. You know why? BECAUSE HE PLAYED COLLEGE BASEBALL. It’s not like you and I remember it when you play a sport, you’ve got practices and mandatory study sessions after class, offseason weight training, Cape Cod League or other summer and fall baseball leagues (and how many of your awesome college times were had in the summer when class wasn’t in session? Not those guys, they’re working their asses off).
Give me a break — if your choice is between pocketing $3M and starting your career and going to college, you’d be a bit nuts if you don’t take the $3M, which, if invested properly, is essentially a $40,000 income, every year, FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE.
This “money doesn’t matter” is something said by people who don’t have any money. Experiences are one thing, but there’s a lot I can “experience” if I have eff you amounts of money.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Of course, you're leaving your options more open
if you get a college degree, rather than risk flaming out at AA and having a much rockier set of job prospects ahead of you.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
If you put $2M of that money in TIPS
and lived off the rest, you could go back to school on the interest from ONE YEAR of that $2M.
It’s really ludicrous to state that the choice here is between going to school or not going to school.
The choice is between going to school when you’re 18 or pocketing $3M when you’re 18 and chasing a baseball career in which you could make much MUCH more than you ever could with a degree, and if you don’t make it, going back to college later on in life.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
If he's good enough to have a productive career that takes him to 35
Then he can go to Stanford right now, play for 3 years and live the college life, get a 5+M deal……and then play till he’s 35. That is going to be more fun than riding a bus to the Quad Cities and the like every 3rd day for 3 years.
The situation that you consider here is if you aren’t good enough. 3M is life changing money, so I personally wouldn’t turn it down, but if his parents are already set and he’s that good on money anyway, then it really doesn’t make much sense to risk being a washout in the minor leagues.
Not afraid to nitpick
Once again, even if he IS good enough, if he gets injured all those potential earnings go down the drain.
אנא טוני לא יותר ט.א.ס.ס
And if he gets injured in the minors, then he's stuck having done nothing with his life
Money aside, you’d rather get hurt/wash out in college than the pros. I’d also rather be good in college than be good in the minors. It’s the same thing, your career arc really doesn’t change…..and college is more fun.
The question is how much money makes up the difference, and apparently he’s set on money anyway, so the answer might just be “better get the Fed’s printers out”.
Not afraid to nitpick
I guess it depends on what type of degree he wants to get
it seems like a lot of student athletes (who are legitimately pro-caliber) have a degree in something that sounds like a glorified gym teacher. I know that there are guys who get degrees in useful things (Brian Barton=Astronaut), but if you are going to get a legitmate degree AND play ball you might not have as much fun in college. As I stated above I chose not to be a student athlete cause I was already a mechanical engineering student and I had a fun social life and it would have been eaten up should I have made the commitment to both academics and athletics.
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 27, 2010 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions
My father actually knows a guy who used to be a minor leaguer.
He was a left hander that threw 88 or so, and suffered a horrible injury on his shoulder, and he was done. He now makes roughly $10 an hour. Baseball teams are there to use you, not help you, unfortunately. They released him right after they rehabbed him.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
And then he'll have $3 million dollars
And an acceptance to Stanford…
by Mulliganstew on Jul 27, 2010 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually probably not on the Stanford thing
I doubt Stanford would re-accept if he spends 5-6 years not doing anything related to academics. And if his parents already have millions and say “don’t worry about the money”, then that equation fails doubly.
Not afraid to nitpick
His parents are apparently alumni.
No way Stanford pisses off alumni just because the kid took the sure thing.
by Mulliganstew on Jul 27, 2010 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
They might
A friend of mine was deferred for six years from a similar college while not doing anything academic.
אנא טוני לא יותר ט.א.ס.ס
That's not true
The admissions office would certainly make an exception for a student of his caliber who played baseball for a few years and then went back to college. Especially if he’d already been accepted into his program at a different time. It’s not like he got locked up in prison and couldn’t go — he went and tried to make it as a baseball player
If an Ivy League school like Harvard allows Natalie Portman to enroll when didn’t even go to a formal high school (mostly correspondence courses), while she’s also filming movies and missing classes to do so, i’m guessing Stanford isn’t stiffing the child of two alumni who was also a 4.0 student in high school
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
I would bet house money
that there are a plenty of former Peace Corps volunteers that have gone to Stanford after doing no academics for 4-5 years.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Did he get a $3M signing bonus?
I would be not.
So that’s not even a fair comparison.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
That's the thing...
if you’re a well adjusted person from an upper-middle class background and you can get in to Stanford (athlete or not) you are set for life. In fact, you’re more set than some redneck with $3 million in his pocket
Fire La Russa!
I'm pretty sure
being a harvard grad and using the term “redneck” is kind of like CopperCab using the N-word
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
I could have sworn you said you went to Stanford
sorry for the mixup
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
Stanford degrees are not a license to print money
Signing with the Cardinals is.
by Mulliganstew on Jul 27, 2010 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions
yes. case in point:
i go to university of arizona for college. friend goes to stanford. i go to university of arizona for law school. said friend goes to harvard law. i currently have a big fat salary. said friend has no job.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
and also, i was trying to be facetious.
damn internets.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
okay that should be a new rule. 6 or more explanation points is a joke
5 or fewer is serious.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
Wait... that goes against everything I've learned on this site
6 or more = serious
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
How do you feel about an investment opportunity?
You give me copious amounts of money to fund my alcohol habits my next year at school
IF I happen to make my way up the ladder in a baseball organization, you can become the Assistant to the GM, Dwight Schrute style
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
then your friend is an idiot or just got laid off in the recent biglaw purge.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 27, 2010 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions
i don't know what is going on with him.
he clerked for a district court right after law school. he probably lost his offer if he had one because of the economy.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
Said friend
is not a typical Harvard Law grad.
The average yearly earnings for a Harvard Law alumni is around $200,000 or so, based on a report I saw a couple of years ago.
Harvard Business School grad? About double that.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Wait...
You still have to GRADUATE HARVARD.
I would bet that at least 25% of the people who enroll at Harvard don’t end up getting degrees from there. It’s not like a degree is a sure thing — in fact, if he’s as uber talented as he seems to be, he might have just as good a shot at making it as a ballplayer.
Holy crap people — we’re talking about one of the pre-eminent universities in the world here. It’s not a cakewalk to graduate.
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Grade inflation is most rampant at the top tier universites
Just sayin’
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
I'll stick to my statement about flunking out
Even some of the top students flunk out of college occasionally, for a myriad of reasons.
To guarantee the kid a degree just by choosing college is ridiculous. You still have to earn that degree — you’re really not earning that $3M bonus, your potential is earning that for you.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
plus, he'll probably not get his degree anyway
because he’ll leave as a junior.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 28, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
from the harvard website
Harvard graduates 97 percent of its students, among the very highest graduation rates in the nation.
by brackenthebox on Jul 28, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
well, I should have finished reading to the correction
either way, 79% of students graduate college in 4 years (vs 88% at Harvard, to get a sense of what overall grad rates might be).
http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/highest-grad-rate
by brackenthebox on Jul 28, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd bet minor league ball players (and ball players in general)
chase a fair amount of tail
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
but the blond in bull durham...mindy or something?
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
Oh yes, that seems fair
Also, Google “hot college girls.” LOOK HOW HOT THE GIRLS AT COLLEGE ARE, BROSKI!
I'm guessing the 26 year old Austin Wilson
WHO’S DRIVING A FERRARI TO CLASS is going to haul in some pretty decent tail.
Hell, have you seen all the rich 40 year old guys that date 22 year old models?
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Yeah Mindy...
But in three years at Stanford Wilson could sleep with 20 countries or more. Mindy from Moline just can’t hold a candle…
Fire La Russa!
he's not getting 3 million if he comes out of college
and if he fails now, he has 3 million dollars…. if he fails after college, he all have less than a million im guessing
Rasmus can hit lefties
cardinalred
St. Louis Sports blog
by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 27, 2010 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions
He's not getting 3M if he comes out of college?
If he has a monster college career, he’s getting 7M.
Not afraid to nitpick
how so?
i thought that since he would be a junior, he would have no leverage and therefore would command no such salary
Rasmus can hit lefties
cardinalred
St. Louis Sports blog
by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 27, 2010 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Have you paid attention to the draft contracts lately?
Price, Wieters, Alvarez, Posey etc have all been at least 6M. It’s not all that likely that he’s a top 5 pick, but those guys get paid.
Not afraid to nitpick
Yeah
but if it’s $3m guaranteed now, versus something like a 20% chance he kicks ass in college and gets $6m, a 20% chance he does OK and is a first rounder and gets, I dunno, $1-2m or so, and a 60% chance he struggles and gets slot money in a later round or gets injured/sucks and never makes anything, what would you go for?
Even if the “average value” of going to college is >$3m because of the chance of getting a huge deal down the line, if there’s even a 20% failure rate whereby he makes nothing, you could argue he’s wise to take the 3 mill guaranteed today.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jul 28, 2010 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't think there's much point in analyzing it as a purely economic issue....
1. He and his family have known from the beginning that he was likely to be offered a large, multimillion dolar contract had he signed this year and they were already prepared to forgo that for college. They clearly vallue college for more than purely “economic” reasons.
2. He doesn’t need to buy a house for his momma – no matter what the signing bonus is, it’s not “life-changing money” for him and his family, so there is less incentive to sign.
3. Every year top high school picks go to college instead of signing (e.g. Matt Purke). It’s not uncommon and it’s just not that risky to go to college if you’re an elite talent. And he is an outfielder so there’s even less chance of a catastrophic injury.
4. The real question is whether he wants to put off his professional baseball career for a few years or whether he wants to follow in Jason Heyward’s footsteps and start right away. Heyward is the real comp here, especially given similar family situations.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 28, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
It really comes down to what he, himself, wants to do. It’s his decision, and he has to know what is on the table for him.
Agree 100% on Heyward — it’s nearly the exact same situation he faced a few years ago.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Which is not a guarantee
I suppose looking at it from Wilson’s / his parents’ point of view, if they’re already pretty rich it makes sense. BUT if they’re not that well off I’d definitely suggest he take the money and run. Because if he has a monster college career, he’d also have a monster career in the minors, thus leading to more money down the road. However, if he flames out in college, the result is much worse monetarily than it would be if he flames out in the minors.
אנא טוני לא יותר ט.א.ס.ס
um
playing baseball at Stanford while getting a world class education, chasing all kinds of tail, and hanging out in the Bay Area is simply better.
this is totally a matter of opinion. he can play baseball and chase tail in the minors, too. and not everyone likes the bay area….
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
Gotta...
respect someone willing to stand up for the Quad Cities. I met a pretty girl from Moline once.
Fire La Russa!
Are you sure she wasn't from Bettendorf?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
She definitely WASN'T
from Davenport.
::Shudders::
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
One of my all time favourite nights out was in Davenport.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jul 28, 2010 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Hmmm
“There are lawyers from Stanford who will never see that kind of money combined in their life.”
60% of law students from Stanford go on to join law firms, and the median salary is 160,000.
http://www.top-law-schools.com/stanford-law-school.html
Not bad if I do say so myself…
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
You do realize that's what they get coming out of college?
That’s ridiculous to say the least.
Anyway, so what if he takes 4 years off and goes pro at 22? Not like he will be missing out on any money. And when his career is over, he can work in a setting that fits with his degree. That would be my route, but then again, I was never supremely talented and gifted at baseball like he is :).
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
Yeah, I'm a student at a similar school
but I guess, coming from a poor background myself, I would find it impossible to turn down the guaranteed cash that comes with a signing bonus. I would hate to miss out on my own college experience, but if you gave me $3 million in exchange for doing something that’s no fun for those four years instead, and I had the freedom to go back afterwards, I’d definitely say yes.
אנא טוני לא יותר ט.א.ס.ס
I also come from lower class.
But considering that he was offered a scholarship to play there (I assume everything is paid for), then I wouldn’t be able to turn that down. Hell, if he plays well, he could be in line for a much bigger bonus than 3 million really.
Depends on your priorities and your background I guess.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
Yeah. I can see his point of view if he comes from a pretty well-off family.
For me, though… 4 years of free Stanford is worth over $200,000, but that’s small beans compared to 3 mil.
אנא טוני לא יותר ט.א.ס.ס
actually, its what they get coming out of law school.
/nitpicking
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
Fucking IHeartBoog
Making bank
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Not all lawyers make bank
Do I have to explain the Bimodal salary distribution for lawyers? Even Stanford law grads are having trouble getting big law jobs.
by Mulliganstew on Jul 27, 2010 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions
The job market for lawyers is awful at the moment.
I can agree with that (My brother is one, looked for 2 years before finding a government job.). One of the few times ever where the hiring of lawyers has pretty much frozen up.
Knowing nothing about the economy, you would think the job market would recover yes?
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
To word this carefully
Knowing nothing about the economy, you would think the job market would recover yes?
Not necessarily. As an econ/finance major I have decided that I’m getting a job now over going for grad school despite being accepted at the schools of my choice…
Not afraid to nitpick
You're passing up an MBA to get a job now?
As someone who was a business management/finance double major, may I suggest getting the MBA. Now. Unless you get an awesome job offer from a place that will help you pay for your MBA and give you time to study for it.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
I certainly would not pass up getting an MBA
because you think the job market will be a problem when you graduate.
There are always tons of positions for MBA’s, and if nothing else, you could teach in college at that point until you find a job.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
yeah, that is true. i got very lucky and i worry every day that someone's going to find out that i'm barely worth minimum wage
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
that's just wrong.
there are almost no firms in the country right now that pay a starting associate $160k. there is absolutely no way that’s the median salary.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
Probably the 5-years-out-of-law-school average
or some such thing.
Those are the sort of numbers that usually get bandied about in my experience.
אנא טוני לא יותר ט.א.ס.ס
almost any stanford law grad can get a gig at an AMLAW 100 firm
meaning they’ll clear $160K to start. Others may clerk or do pro bono bleeding heart work or whatever out of school, but they could have done firm work.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 27, 2010 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions
i agree that they can get those jobs, but most firms start at $145k now.
and even if they did start at $160k, to say that is the MEDIAN salary to START is ridiculous.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
as a median, it makes perfect sense
more than half of the graduating class is going to take a top firm job in a big city (those jobs are at $160K in all the major markets – LA, SF, CHI, NY, DC, HOU, DAL, etc.), making the median $160K. The mean won’t be $160K because the clerks and public interest people will drag it down, but the median will be 160K.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 27, 2010 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I gotta think that a chance to play with Pujols at any point in his career would be enough for me
I understand what you mean, but I just would rather take the chance to be one of the tiny percentage of people who can claim this
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 27, 2010 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions
They should offer Cox something like $2.5m
take it or leave it, and if not offer it to Wilson and take the protected pick in 2011.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jul 28, 2010 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions
And Angel Pagan...
spontaneously combusted during BP. All that was left was some dust and a strange odor.
Fire La Russa!
by guayzimi on Jul 27, 2010 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
And...
Buster Olney tweets:
The Cubs have made it clear to other teams that they are ready to move Carlos Zambrano, if anyone is interested
Onubon > Gates
I'd be all over that if I were Mo...
Z would be awesome here. He’d have a chip on his shoulder… not sure if the Cubs are ready to eat all that money though.
Fire La Russa!
would he be Joaquin Andujar v2.0?
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 27, 2010 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Lohse + prospects....?
not including shelby miller…. im in
Rasmus can hit lefties
cardinalred
St. Louis Sports blog
by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 27, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions
dude, no way the cubs would pull that trade realistically
wishful thinking, on the other hand, is very useful there.
why not
they pick up a cheaper contract for same amount of years with close to similar results (zambrano is better, but im thinking in hendry’s mind here)…. not to mention they get the “cancer off their team” and the big fat albatross contract
i don’t think this is that unrealstic…. problem is the “unrealistic” part is the cardinals offering it to them not cubs accepting
Rasmus can hit lefties
cardinalred
St. Louis Sports blog
by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 27, 2010 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions
isn't he owed like $18m or something next year?
I’d definitely do the swap, but I’m not sure I’d want to eat another $6m of salary.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jul 28, 2010 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions
And possibly trading for a guy who isn't really all that good anymore AND
is un-coachable.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
where's the avatar
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
M. Night Shamalsladlaslgl
killed it.
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
you mean ATLA.
I mean guay’s.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I agree
The downside is it would raise our ex-Cub factor
"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles
by jd is legend on Jul 27, 2010 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions
If they covered every damn cent.
I might just consider it. Until that point, no.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
He's a 3 win pitcher...
who’s owed $42 million for 2.3 years. Send a couple non-prospects for Zambrano and $20 million and we’re good.
Fire La Russa!
so
Cubs send Z, eat roughly half his salary, and the Cards send PJ Walters and Daryl Jones or something?
…..lordy, I might have to actually think about that one. There’s no way the Cubs sell so low on him though. They have so much invested in Zambrano as an organization….
He's a pain in the ass..
they aren’t going to compete this year or next (or the next or the next), and he probably won’t perform well as a Cub unless he really likes the new manager. I’d definitely get rid of him if I were the Cubs, and I’d definitely look to acquire him if I were a contender. Classic change of scenery situation.
Fire La Russa!
agreed on all counts
but the thought of the Cubs trading a big-name starter to St. Louis is hard to believe….maybe even harder than the idea of the Astros doing likewise.
Yeah...
I doubt they’d do it, but what if we were the only ones willing to take $20 million off their books? Not that we would be, but if we were that would be a tough decision for the Cubs. They’d have to see him come back to Wrigley and shut them down maybe a half dozen times in the next couple years. If I were them I’d purge every contract I could, but then baseball teams are very hesitant to do that kind of thing.
Fire La Russa!
Hey, they're only 10 games out on the loss side;
they still got a shot this year. No way they’d trade Z to Cards when they’ve still got a chance to catch them.
"They punched me a lot," Holliday said of the celebration [after his July 18 walk-off single]. "But they were good punches."
The Cubs may want Walters just so he doesn't strike out Soriano anymore
"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles
by jd is legend on Jul 27, 2010 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions
slider away slider away slider away
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
It is still (Roughly) 15 million for 2 years.
I would be hesistant to commit any money to him until I actually see him pitch for a period of time. And then there’s the looming Pujols contract to consider.
It’s a bit paranoid, I know, I would just rather spend the money on a 1 year deal with Brandon Webb rather than on Zambrano.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
wait but he's worth more than $7.5 million per year if we did this
i would in no way hesitate to take that deal than (he’s not pitching much worse than years past, really unluck BABIP, about same FIP)
Rasmus can hit lefties
cardinalred
St. Louis Sports blog
by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 27, 2010 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Zambrano's demotion was completely fucking insane
clearly didn’t help the guy’s mental state. Plus it makes interpreting his 2010 stats that much harder, so it’s hard to say what he’s really worth going forward.
What an overreaction.
Basically, they had absolutely no clue what to do with the guy.
They needed to make him apologize, and then get him some help while pitching. Demoting him just alienates him more from the organization. Dumb move indeed.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
to clarify
I was referring to his original demotion to the bullpen back in April/May, but you’re right, the “anger management” crapola was for show.
I really don't know what to make of Zambrano's stats this year.
I mean, he does look really unlucky, and he is giving up a lot more HR’s this year than last, but he has only pitched 55 innings and started 9. I would shy away at 7.5m price tag personally with the low IP and GS.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
I think he's been grievously unlucky
Lou panicked after he had I think 4 starts and stuffed him in the bullpen. Just goofy.
But it is quite difficult to know what to expect from the guy given a clean start in a new org. Is he going to be a 5 win player? 3? 1.5?
OK, maybe "grieviously" is the wrong word
but he’s got a .377 BABIP, slightly elevated HR/FB, and his LOB is 65.5% (vs career 73.9). His K & BB #s look pretty much in line with his career.
ZIPS says 3.95 FIP rest of the year, which seems reasonable….
Webb is donezo until further notice
They don’t even know what’s wrong with his shoulder, let alone how to fix it, let alone whether he can come back if they do fix it.
Not afraid to nitpick
He's going to be able to start 6 games this year.
We will get a better idea if he can actually pitch anymore at that point. FWIW, the guy was able to make it through an “intense” bullpen session. He will also take a 30 day rehab tour in the minors.
It must suck for him though. He was looking at a 20m a year contract from the Yankees or a decent contract from the Dbacks, and now he may never pitch that well again. Must be agonizing for him.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
He was supposed to be down for 2 weeks in 2009
Then 6 weeks, then 2 months, then the season, then there was cleanup surgery that was going to allow him to return for a normal spring training this year, then he’d be on the DL to start the season……3 months later, now he’s going to make 6 starts? Yeah, I’ll believe that when I see it.
Not afraid to nitpick
I can certainly understand the pessimism.
Not like the Dbacks care anymore thnough. I doubt they resign him at this point to anything other than a 1 year deal, and they are rebuilding anyway.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
Mark. Mulder.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Oswalt for Zambrano
what does the math look like?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Albert's comment about AJ makes SportsNation
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
what are they saying about it?
Rasmus can hit lefties
cardinalred
St. Louis Sports blog
by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 27, 2010 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
put it in the Did You Hear That section.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
the soothing, measured tones of Mo-speak
nothing new. looking at everything, considering short- and long-term. need a partner to dance with, basically.
he’s using his hands more when he starts talking about the offense. then he made a joke about Freese.
WE R BUYERS RAR
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
"need someone to cooperate with us"
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I liked his comment about Stavinoha.
Spoke positively about others, Cat questions him about Stav: “We’re going to take our time with him. We’ll make sure he can play a position before making a change to his status.” (paraphrased)
But, they didn't make sure he could play a position before giving him a spot on the 25-man out of ST...
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
damn, Aggie's in New York
we’re all-in now.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Game 7 reruns and... go!
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
chills, man.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I had game 7 on my HD until it crashed and wasn't backed up
/tear
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
that was honestly
the last time soup was dominant.
and, in a twist of irony, the game’s on MLBN tonight
that's probably more smart programming
less irony
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
don't crush his dreams
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
what dreams do you speak of?
that soup would be good again? we’ve been in a nightmare for 4 years, then. glad he left for the brewers, now hate that he’s back.
if TLR read VEB, this would be his comment
Rasmus...
Any chance he is a drinker? Saw comments about his splits. He sucks in day games compared to night games. Miggy Cabrera had that problem until he went on the wagon. Also it seems his home stats versus roads suck also so maybe the home night life distracts him or maybe i’m just bored and reading to much into the whole scenario.
You fit into me
like a hook into an eye
a fish hook
an open eye
hiatal hernia
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
did anyone else mention
how exciting Jose Reyes is to watch and how he’s what makes tonight’s game worth watching?
clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
East Coast game
so it’s about time to start clamoring for a game thread.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Anybody else see the Rotoworld sidebar on Sh. Miller
need more towels
"They're so stunned they didn't even boo!"
John Rooney 5/3/10 referring to Philly fans on Cards 5-run 7th inning
Can I get a full link to the Letterman interview?
I can only find a 2 minute clip of him batting
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Wait, nevermind. Found it.
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Strasburg scratched.
Something nasty in the bullpen.
"They punched me a lot," Holliday said of the celebration [after his July 18 walk-off single]. "But they were good punches."
Ruh roh
"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles
by jd is legend on Jul 27, 2010 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions
f'in zoomzoom
"Very accomplished bunter" - Rick Horton about Aaron Miles
by jd is legend on Jul 27, 2010 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions
onward to game thread
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
So, I guess I was too far ahead in the game of life after taking in that no-hitter.
Today I twice nearly cracked a tooth on errant crab shell in my crab cakes. Then I sliced my finger open on a sea shell and bled all over the beach. Then I forgot I was drinking out of a small glass and threw water all over myself when attempting to take a drink.
Even Stephen, or do I still owe the universe a karmic debt?
Regression, bitches.
sounds even to me
chief justice
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 28, 2010 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions
don't read anything about food in Florida sports stadiums.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 28, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
My favorite part of this thread was when fourstick replied to everything when everybody else had been out of the thread for 2 hours already
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
My favorite part of this thread was Monk doing the same thing
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
lboros rocks. need more of these!
chief justice
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 28, 2010 12:12 AM EDT reply actions
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