in praise of intangibles
by tom s. on Jul 24, 2010 12:58 PM EDT
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anybody sick of hearing about roy oswalt yet? meh, well, i'm still going to beat that drum.
i lined up on the anti-trade side, especially as the trade might involve shelby miller, earlier this week. my position has changed, which i'll explain in a moment, but first let's look at the trade in these terms.
my big concern was oswalt's salary relative to his value. oswalt, in the past, has had enormous value, worth 6.4, 6.1, and 5.7 WAR in 2004-06. in the past two full seasons, he's been worth 3.6 and 3.1 WAR, due to a rising FIP. he'll be paid like a 3.5-4.0 WAR pitcher for the rest of 2010, 2011, and 2012, if his option were picked up. if he's a 3.0 WAR pitcher now, that would be an unfortunate deal. it wouldn't be a huge overpay in cash, but anything substantial that we gave up on top of that money in trade (i.e., shelby miller) would be a poor expenditure.
now, granted, he's shown signs this season of some kind of recovery, and has already been worth basically as much in part of 2010 as he was in all of 2009 (2.9 WAR v. 3.1). with a pitcher who will be 33 next month, it's hard to know whether there is a trend going on, and if so, where it's headed. maybe some bad luck made a 4-5 WAR pitcher look like a 3 WAR pitcher. or maybe oswalt is on a long decline - appropriate for his age - and the season so far is just a lucky hiccup in a longer trend of aging.
a quick look at the numbers behind the numbers: oswalt's velocity is not down - his FB comes at 92.9 MPH this year (93.1 in 2009), basically consistent with his numbers from his peak. he trusts his fastball a lot less than he did, though, throwing it only 55% of the time, versus almost 70% of the time at his peak. he's been making the difference up with a slider, and this year particularly a changeup (thrown 11.8% of the time, versus a career peak of 7%).
he could probably benefit from some dave duncan clinics. his GB% has dropped from better than 50% to around 43%. his K rate is better this year than usual, at 8 k/9, versus a career average of 7.42. his bb rate is basically in keeping with career norms (during his peak, he had disgusting control, turning in a 1.79 and 1.55 bb/9 in 2005 and 2006).
the extent to which i have been worrying about the above is diminishing, given the recent developments. while i have no inside contacts, the fleeting rumors have grown into fairly pointed commentary from the gentleman in question. previous suggestions that oswalt would demand that his option be picked up by any team to which he was traded have been refuted by oswalt himself, who now says he would not make that demand and would consider restructuring his contract for a trade to a contender. rumors that oswalt preferred the cards have become direct statements in favor of a trade to the cardinals.
on wednesday, his comment regarding rumors of a trade to philadelphia was, 'Saw it on TV this morning ... Until (the Astros) come up to me, there's really nothing I can do.'"
oswalt is, in baseball-playerese, saying to ed wade: "trade me to st. louis, you bastard."
now, just because oswalt puts his thumb on the scale does not mean that we'll net him for jeff suppan, joe mather's hamate bone, and a 5% stake in ballpark village. but it certainly increases the likelihood that he'll end up here, rather than philadelphia, and for a slightly less enormous amount of money and a year less of contractual obligations. the fact that oswalt seems to be favoring us over philadelphia, when he has tremendous say over where he goes, gives us great leverage in the trade as well.
oswalt pitches tonight. i'm going to predict he makes his next one in the birds on the bat. this just seems like where he wants to be.
and now we circle around to the title of the post. a frequent saw of traditionalists is to credit intangibles and clubhouse chemistry for success on the field. usually, this seems to be a self-affirming prophecy, finding "good chemistry" on teams that win games. for all i know, the kansas city royals all throw pizza parties in their hotel rooms after games and watch scary movies and paint each others' toenails and play "light as a feather, stiff as a board." if they do, it's not helping them.
while there's no evidence one way or the other on chemistry affecting on-field play, the oswalt negotiations seem like an interesting opportunity to discuss the real-world implications of intangibles. if your team is perceived to have "good clubhouse culture" or if your manager is perceived to be a "player's manager," it may encourage guys to come to your team.
oswalt hasn't really expounded on why he's interested in coming to the cardinals, other than to say he wants to go to a contender, which we are. and he may favor the cardinals as much thinking of the shallow left field wall at citizen's bank park, or the mouthbreathers writing for the philadelphia daily news, or guys with green laser pointers projectile vomiting on him, or JESUS THAT PHANATIC THING JUST FREAKS HIM THE HELL OUT. who knows?
but i think some element of clubhouse culture in st. louis - which he's had a lot of chances to observe, working in the division - probably attracts him. a few parts tony la russa (who is probably NOT a classic "player's manager"), several parts dave duncan, and i think several parts the relationships promoted on the rotation. the bond between chris carpenter and adam wainwright seems very strong. last year, several good pieces were written up on the mutual support offered by members of the rotation. oswalt has suffered through some fairly dreadful years on the astros, and some fairly talentless fellow rotation members, with wandy rodriguez being his only regular colleague on the team.
really, this is not so different from what occurs all over the working world. people know where they will get supported, where they will work with good colleagues. and that's an asset to any organization. there's no reason to think that it works differently in baseball.
this has its limits of course. the number of pitchers who have waxed eloquent about the culture in the st. louis clubhouse is long - halladay, buerhle, etc. most of them have gone on to clubs with more money and clubhouses that reek somewhat less of chemistry. and that's fine. what's unique here is that there is a pitcher who seems willing to sacrifice some money to come work with st. louis.
if good pitchers are attracted to our team and are willing to waive monetary demands, that's a very tangible way in which clubhouse culture helps to make this team better.
[edit - effin day games on saturday. guess this is the game thread too.]
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LUDWICK LUDWICK LUDWICK LUDWICK
Roy-who?
by Aranathor on Jul 24, 2010 1:05 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
LUDWICK party at Jack's house!
"He’s in his own world out there. He says he doesn’t cuss. I disagree." - Skip Schumaker on Jason Motte
STOP TRYING TO TRADE SHELBY MILLER!!
Just in time for the game.....
Lineup:
Miles 2B
Jay CF
Pujols 1B
Holliday LF
Ludwick RF
Molina C
Ryan SS
Hawksworth P
Greene Tea 3B
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
chances miles leaves this game while still batting over .300??
this thread is all Aaron Mile's fault.
also
Al states that he was given a reason for lopez being out but isn’t go to use it.
this thread is all Aaron Mile's fault.
Jay sliced one over the third baseman's head and it had some wicked spin on it.
Just died in the shallow outfield and he busted it to second.
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 24, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Al almost jizz'd himself
over the idea of benching Colby (Kobe?) long term for Jon Jay.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 24, 2010 1:09 PM EDT reply actions
Al is still an idiot.
Good to see some things never change.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
OT:
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....my quick smells like french toast...
Twitter: @mstreeter06
.
Sounds more like Overkill or something
Hmm yeah they do
What do you think though? I enjoy opinions
....my quick smells like french toast...
Twitter: @mstreeter06
Soft power
In political discussion, soft power (a term coined by Prof. Joseph Nye) means a country’s power (or influence) derived from the attractiveness of its culture, political ideals and political policies. It’s a country’s power of persuasion and influence outside of military force. The Cards have a soft power advantage over Philly in the Oswalt sweepstakes. What pitcher wants to pitch in Philly? And Oswalt is a Mississippi guy, another reason he doesn’t want to go to the east coast.
Not sure that means anything but I like the analogy.
Do Samuel Huntington next....I like this game.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 24, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
The Clash of Civilizations
Philly and St. Louis … a cold war ensues. Probably New York works better harking back to the “Mets are pond scum” days.
That was pretty good. Perhaps you could do Francis Fukuyama after they institute a salary cap...
and there’s no more conflict between moneyball and big spenders like the Yankees.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 24, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
After how many innings do we finally score?
I say after being shut out for 21 innings, we break through in the 3rd today.
How many Double Plays has Matt Holliday
been involved in this season?
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 24, 2010 1:13 PM EDT reply actions
it'll be a lot more if he continues to
try and roll over on pitches below his knees and outside the zone away from him…
That this series will suck more than a black hole?
Yeah.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Jul 24, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I didn't realize FSN was showing the replay of yesterdays game...oh wait
'Don't kiss an ass if its in the process of shitting on you.' - Best advice ever.
by Heisenberg on Jul 24, 2010 1:16 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
i fucking hate colvin
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 24, 2010 1:16 PM EDT reply actions
Too bad we have a manager
who doesn’t believe in intimidation.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Jul 24, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Stuck in Cubs Country
Without comcast sports so I’ll have to listen to Santo and his rambling all afternoon. Just awesome, its like being stuck in a room with 50 senile grandpas.
FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK
I can’t stand Hrbosky. Seriously, he is so fucking stupid. Every word that ever comes out of his mouth is either inaccurate, inarticulate or a flat out repeat of what someone else just said. How this fuckwad still has a job, I will never know. Although, the guys the Cardinals hire to be fill ins aren’t much better. How can an organization with so much history, a solid amount of financial support and in the backyard of great broadcasters like Joey G, Bob Costas, Jack and Joe Buck continue to have one of, if not the worst color commentator in baseball.
FIRE THIS FOOL ALREADY!
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 24, 2010 1:17 PM EDT reply actions
Perfect size for a leadoff hitter who would walk a lot
Too made Miles isn’t it.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Jul 24, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Sour grapes.
They see how AWESOME he is doing for us now after sucking for the Cubs.
:)
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 24, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Blake Hawksworth is the inverse of Jeff Suppan
throwing a lot of pitches in the strike zone, same results.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 24, 2010 1:18 PM EDT reply actions
HOLYFUCKINGSHIT
Good news everyone, Mike Shannon’s back from the bar!!!!!
WOO
This day has just gotten much better
Bud Norris
graduated summa cu laude.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Jul 24, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Walkwick...
its nice to add wick to end of random words and phrases again…
'Don't kiss an ass if its in the process of shitting on you.' - Best advice ever.
I really love listening to
the Cubs broadcast where they come back from a break with Santo screaming “THIS IS THE YEAR!” You would think that they would a) stop doing that when they are 10+ games back or b) realize that its the biggest jinx ever
well if this were a video game...
colving would be eating dirt the rest of game every at bat
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 24, 2010 1:22 PM EDT reply actions
But because this team is managed
by the “Three Nights in August” guy, it ain’t gonna happen.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Jul 24, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I was just thinking the same thing.
Why not buzz the tower a time or two. The guy is obviously too comfortable at the plate.
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 24, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Im usually not for throwing at people
but Colvin needs to be brought into this rivalry in style. No more leadoff HRs for that guy, time for plunky mcplunkerton.
'Don't kiss an ass if its in the process of shitting on you.' - Best advice ever.
he is one of the best and catching and stopping breaking pitches???
this thread is all Aaron Mile's fault.
none of the cards can it seems
except miles…why the fucking hell is he fucking starting again
Signatures are overrated.
by hr on Jul 24, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok Boog, its time to up that trade value
'Don't kiss an ass if its in the process of shitting on you.' - Best advice ever.
I love this strategy!!!
How awesome to have the pitcher up right here
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 24, 2010 1:27 PM EDT reply actions
thats true
but now we need a hit or an error to score this run…
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 24, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
haha
yes!
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 24, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
im going to claim that i called this
(even though its a pretty lame thing for me to do)
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 24, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Apparently, Hawk is clueless at the plate.
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 24, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
should be 3-0
instead, he strikes out
'Don't kiss an ass if its in the process of shitting on you.' - Best advice ever.
I approve of this.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Jul 24, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
about time
Tony is long overdue to throw a fit
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 24, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
well when you are 3'4" what do you expect
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 24, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
as a keebler elf or an oompa loompa?
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 24, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Umpiring has been absolutely terrible this year....just terrible.
I dont remember a year when so many calls have been blown.
'Don't kiss an ass if its in the process of shitting on you.' - Best advice ever.
1998 postseason.
That was the standard against all other incompetent seasons of umpires must be judged.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Jul 24, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Bob Davidson
does he ever make a call go our way?
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 24, 2010 1:33 PM EDT reply actions
meaning he got it right?
it was very very close
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 24, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
No
He didn’t give Aaron Miles another infield hit to boost his numbers. Gotta thing long term everyone. Every hit he gets is 4 more outs he gets to make before the DFA hammer.
Not afraid to nitpick
you are wrong
Aaron Miles’s numbers have nothing to do with him being DFA’d.
this thread is all Aaron Mile's fault.
Ha
I think if he’s hitting .240 .270 .280 he’ll get DFA’d. We’re only an 0’fer 8 away from him being under a .600 OPS!
Not afraid to nitpick
OPS
is just 3 letters to Tony. Without Miles, who is going to be the guy that can play the OF, IF and pitch while providing switch hitting abilities? Don’t say Lopez because he’s too talented.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 24, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Moz will have the balls!
I’m confident, all we need is no more groundball hits or crap bloopers for about 15 ABs!
Not afraid to nitpick
As often as Angel Hernandez.
If you know the name of an umpire, chances are he’s a bad umpire.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Jul 24, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
He's standing there talking to himself
there should be an age ceiling on this job.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 24, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
How bad is Jeff Suppan
if he couldn’t strike out Soriano?
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 24, 2010 1:34 PM EDT reply actions
if you have ever explained what a changeup is
with a cartoon baseball.
You might be Jeff Suppan.
this thread is all Aaron Mile's fault.
I bet I'm not Jeff Suppan
All you need is a good slider, right?
by Jon S. on Jul 24, 2010 2:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
OT: For anybody that has an XBOX 360
There was an arcade game that came out recently called LIMBO. It is absolutely fantastic! The art direction of the game is really cool (in a black and white silhouetted theme)
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 24, 2010 1:35 PM EDT reply actions
1200
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 24, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
only downside is that it is a bit short (6 hours i read)
but try out the demo and see what you think
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 24, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
so, simple math
as long as we score one more than hawk gives up, we’re okay
why does math not work with soup?
im just going to go out on a limb here
because TLR
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 24, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I just realized that if I were a major league manager...
I would get ejected at least 60+ games out of the year.
'Don't kiss an ass if its in the process of shitting on you.' - Best advice ever.
i couldn't talk to the ump without dropping the F-bomb
at him… his mother… whoever
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 24, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
And Joe Girardi doesn't?
I think umpires expect it, and are surprised when they don’t get it.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Jul 24, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I read a book a few years ago called "The Umpire Strikes Back" by Ron Luciano
it was very very funny and a good account of what an umpire goes through
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 24, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
So I was hoping to go to the Pirates game tonight
Pay $10, wait until the 5th inning and sit anywhere I want but there is a Steve Miller Band concert after the game during the fireworks which means it will either be crowded with 50 year olds with leathery skin (Tony LaRussa?) or a bunch of 16 year old Gen-Y’ers who will be obnoxious.
And here, I thought I’d get a nice relaxing empty stadium with the Padres and Pirates playing.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 24, 2010 1:39 PM EDT reply actions
I have seen Bob Brenly in person
he is what they should put in the dictionary for leathery skin… he was like a walking wallet
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 24, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
pnc park is very nice
i wouldn’t be surprised if there were a lot of people though…pirates games aren’t as underpopulated as much as people say they are
Signatures are overrated.
by hr on Jul 24, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Trust me, I've been there
they are vastly underpopulated.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 24, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
meh saturday night + concert might attract some people
although i heard there could be a chance of rain later today :/
but anyway have fun!
Signatures are overrated.
by hr on Jul 24, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Booooooooooog.
I'm out of champagna. How about some 7-Up and Mad Dog 20/20?
by The Continental on Jul 24, 2010 1:40 PM EDT reply actions
Oswalt.
Oswalt.
… or so I’ve heard.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Jul 24, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
How many Oswalts could an Oswalt Oswalt if an Oswalt could Oswalt?
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 24, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
How many?
Oswalt.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Jul 24, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Anyone else get MASSIVE headaches after lifting weights?
I never used to but this past week, any lifting causes me massive headaches.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 24, 2010 1:42 PM EDT reply actions
Yeah, they're migraines.
Blood vessels in your head dilate after exertion.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Jul 24, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought so
but I never had that problem before. No matter how much a hydrate, it happens. I had one so bad earlier this week that my vision was slightly blurred.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 24, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
It's the same weight and pretty much the same repitition
I’ve been doing for weeks, with no problems before.
Oh well. It’ll probably pass.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 24, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
yes
I do a superset every day.
20-30 pushups
15-20 Flys
15-20 Presses
15-20 pushups
without stopping
then I wait 5 minutes and do 100 reverse crunches, because normal crunches has always hurt my neck. The headache starts during the pushups now, though.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 24, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe you take a break for a couple of days and try again
take some advil before you start
stretch, warm up, cool down
take a 60 second break between exercises, but no more than 2 minutes – use it to drink some water or gatorade
maybe lay off the crunches, you can get headaches if you hurt your back, neck
you are on the ground for those pushups? do you get dizzy too?
the absolute worst case scenario – you can be bleeding in your brain
if it persists, see a doctor
If it happens a lot, you can go to the doctor and get medicine to take before you work out.
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 24, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Anti-inflammatory.
Typically it’s for arthritis.
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 24, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I like when Al plays dumb
because you have a hard time telling if he is trying or not.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 24, 2010 1:43 PM EDT reply actions
I'm surprised
nobody has mentioned the Ryne Sandberger.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Jul 24, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
hmmm..
Manager Tony La Russa has removed Felipe Lopez from today’s start, replacing him as leadoff hitter with Aaron Miles and at third base with Tyler Greene. La Russa described the move as a “manager decision,” adding that the move was not injury-related.
La Russa met with Lopez after Saturday’s 5-0 loss in which the Cardinals infielder struck out three times and endured a difficult defensive game.
Lopez did not appear outside the Cardinals dugout along with the other position players for the National Anthem.
this thread is all Aaron Mile's fault.
woah
maybe he killed and barbecued a kitten in the locker room before the game
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 24, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Anything
to help break the curse of no runs.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Jul 24, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
eh, tony sat colby a game or two for sleepwalking
lopex isn’t above the same treatment.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
because two out of those three are great players...
and the other is a utiltity player on a 1 yr deal.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 24, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
i'd say they are above the same treatment
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
it also mentions that Ryan was starting over Greene
due to greene’s wrist.
this thread is all Aaron Mile's fault.
i can't see who we would be trading im for
Can’t be houston or Arizona considering he is not a cost controlled player (and they are not contending)
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 24, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Wouldn't they get the 2 draft picks though if Lopez leaves via free agency?
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 24, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
im sure even houston come somehow screw up his free agent status
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 24, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd be ok with that
if the 1 year rental of Lopez brought us Roy Oswalt, I’d be all over it.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 24, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Technically it'd probably be a good pickup for a normal organization
Felipe is gonna be Type A from what I’ve seen so he’d either be cost controlled for another year or net 2 draft picks. Of course the Astros don’t like draft picks, so yeah.
Not afraid to nitpick
it's called managing
Fredi gonzalez didn’t ruin Hanley. Doubtful Wakamatsu ruined Figgins last night.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 24, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Wakamatsu
is an awful manager, so I wouldn’t use him as an example.
He had 2 of the best pitchers in baseball, one of the best hitters in baseball and a pretty solid defensive team and couldn’t get out of the cellar. Besides that, he botched the handling of a franchise legend.
How he still has his job, I don’t know.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 24, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn't say Wakamatsu was a good manager.
I just said benching Figgins for crappy/lazy play isn’t likely to “ruin” him.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 24, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
True
but it probably will turn him off of the manager. In Lopez’s case, he took a bit of a discount to come here and I’m sure he can get more money this off-season to go play somewhere else.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 24, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm pretty sure Felipe has been yelled at or benched before by managers.
If he doesn’t come back next year, fine, we got his production for cheap this year.
In any event, he’ll probably be fine tomorrow.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 24, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
He'd make a loud thump
facing a team interested in intimidation. Ground, meet Tyler. Tyler, meet ground.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Jul 24, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
so, we scored today?
follow me on twitter @nickg105
by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 24, 2010 1:51 PM EDT reply actions
so i just saw a clip of jim hayes in the cardinals locker room
and geovanni soto was in the background…
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 24, 2010 1:51 PM EDT reply actions
Can we quit giving up HRs already? Come on.
'Don't kiss an ass if its in the process of shitting on you.' - Best advice ever.
So wait, we've hit 4 flyballs to the OF
and they stayed in the park. They’ve hit 2 and they left the yard?
WTF!
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 24, 2010 1:52 PM EDT reply actions
seriously?
these jokers need to stop hitting home runs.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 24, 2010 1:52 PM EDT reply actions
is that you i recently followed on twitter, btw?
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 24, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
well that's exciting.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 24, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Let's not have anyone hit the dirt, either.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Jul 24, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I have a concert to go to so if this keeps up then I just won't watch anymore,
I HATE that dump of a ballpark.
I am starting to think that Waino Carp and Jamie
Have convinced Soup and Hawk to do anything they can to convince the front office to get Oswalt
Good news everyone...
We can catch popups on the infield!
'Don't kiss an ass if its in the process of shitting on you.' - Best advice ever.
you know i like hawksworth ok
but would it be terrible throw a game without giving up 3or 4 runs?
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 24, 2010 1:56 PM EDT reply actions
No
But Brandon Dickson is.
… sorry, he’s not a proven veteran.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Jul 24, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Aaron Miles just 1 hopped the ball home
from just beyond the IF dirt.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 24, 2010 1:58 PM EDT reply actions
get well soon, kyle lohse.
wait, what?
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 24, 2010 1:58 PM EDT reply actions
i seriously have no fucking clue why tony set the pitching up this way
why the fuck not have 2 of our 3 aces going in this series?
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 24, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
because the cubs are bad
and pitching rotations aren’t exactly that adjustable. i’m glad garcia, wainwright, and carpenter all threw against the phillies myself.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 24, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
i dont care if they are bad
you have a chance to stuff the season down their throat and this is the type of shit that happens
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 24, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
can you predict the future now?
who the F cares about the cubs? they’re below .500 and were 11 games out when this serious started. why do we need to “stuff the season down their throat?” especially at the expense of possibly giving away games against los angeles and philadelphia who are vastly superior teams to the cubs.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 24, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
because i hate them
no rational thought is involved here…
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 24, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Who cares about the Cubs?
Why not have them pitch against a team that is ya know…..god.
Not afraid to nitpick
Wow
that’s a tall order.
I don’t think a rotation of Gibby, Koufax and Cy Young could win that series.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 24, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
The Phillies series was tougher
and so will the Mets series. This way, the weaker pitchers throw against the Cubs and Pirates.
Our offense should be winning these games for us.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 24, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Fuck this weekend.
I’m fucking done.
See you next week with the Mets series.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Jul 24, 2010 1:59 PM EDT reply actions
THE SKY IS FALLING!
THE SKY IS FALLING!
Really? done? in the 3rd inning where we JUST gave up the lead?
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on Jul 24, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
It is impossible to score 2 more runs in 6 innings against the likes of Tom Gorzelanny, in case you didn't know
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 24, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah
sorry, I forgot the UNHITTABLE, TTom Gorzellany is on the mound.
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on Jul 24, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
bernie's tweet
Astros GM has to be loving Suppan/Hawksworth the last two days. Oswalt value going up, pitch by pitch.
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 24, 2010 2:01 PM EDT reply actions
Talking about WAR
Is a bit misleading if whatever pitcher we pick up will be replacing one that is below replacement.
by Merry CRasmus on Jul 24, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
had a fun day so far
power went out last night. dad & i went to get a generator about two hours ago. power just came back on. sweated our guts out for nothin.
last inning: EFF
well, at least now you have a generator
i’ve always wanted to have one
in case of a nuclear fallout and stuff, you know
Whitey built the Cardinals for the ballpark?
Is that why they scored more runs on the road in 1982, 1983, 1985, 1987 and 2 less in 1984?
I love baseball myths.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 24, 2010 2:08 PM EDT reply actions
Which means he built the team for all those ballparks then
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 24, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
which is even smarter
meaning, building the team for the particular era. but it still dispells the myth
i was under the impression he built the team to play defense in that park as well
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
the home/away run differentials are pretty flat, so no visible effect there.
much less stark than just looking at the offense like HL does above, though.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
perhaps without that defense, though, the differential could have been negative rather than flat?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
maybe check how many more runs the Cards scored over their opponents at Busch versus on the road....
Seems like the key would be marginal difference at home over other teams, not pure runs, especially because Busch could have severely depressed all runs.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 24, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Busch Stadium had a park factor for hitting of
1982 – 104
1983 – 98
1984 – 100
1985 – 97
1986 – 103
1987 – 99
just for a quick and dirty look at it. Pretty even.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 24, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
that's interesting.
I’d still check marginal difference in Busch runs. If, say, the Cards had a bigger scoring differential at their own park than other teams had at their parks, that might shed some light on whether the team was built for Busch.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 24, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
i wish hawk was better
he always looks like he is in agony out there
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
hawk certainly has swing and miss stuff
he’s just not that good yet…
babip giveth... and babip taketh away
at his age i have hard time thinking he's going to still develop
i think we’re at what you see is what you get stage with him. Good stuff. Some nice outings but games like this one too
they are seriously talking about them being contenders?
really?
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 24, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
royals crushing the yanquis
And Sergio Mitre.
There’s no way they let Mitre take every fifth day in the Bronx.
babip giveth... and babip taketh away
don't panic
all we gotta do is score one more than they do
with out winning streak and and an ace on the mound…
…oh wait..
If you are gonna walk Colvin on more than 4 pitches twice...
just kneecap him already
'Don't kiss an ass if its in the process of shitting on you.' - Best advice ever.
haha
perfect way to put it
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 24, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
wtf miles
i missed why he starts 2 days in a row
just making the cubs realize how big a mistake they made signing him?
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
correction:
i missed why he starts 2 days in a row
just making the cubscards realize how big a mistake they made signing him?
'Don't kiss an ass if its in the process of shitting on you.' - Best advice ever.
i meant signed and are still paying
we only signed him
half as bad a mistake
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
Just trying to see if he's "comfortable"
Since apparently no matter how bad a player is, if he’s “comfortable”, he’s good to go.
Not afraid to nitpick
they tried that whole scoring thing in the 2nd inning
and then the other team scored more, so the conclusion is obvious: scoring didn’t work out so well. Might as well swing and sit down
and it's gorzellany starting?
we should destroy this guy. he should already be out. come on, runs
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
i just read a strauss article on the PD website
and it said that they put up an effort chart in the player lounge…. thats no good
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 24, 2010 2:19 PM EDT reply actions
i have no idea
it just doesnt sound good at all
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 24, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
It's gotta be on the refrigerator,
held on with magnets.
I'm out of champagna. How about some 7-Up and Mad Dog 20/20?
by The Continental on Jul 24, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
watch him hit a home run here.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 24, 2010 2:20 PM EDT reply actions
the sad fact is that more people will probably be upset than happy
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 24, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
watch him hit a home run here routine fly ball that manages to carry due to leprechaun luck
babip giveth... and babip taketh away
is hawk battign 7?
my lineup says felipe is leading off
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
Felipe was a late scratch.
“Manager’s decision”
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 24, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Are you kidding me?
I'm out of champagna. How about some 7-Up and Mad Dog 20/20?
by The Continental on Jul 24, 2010 2:21 PM EDT reply actions
LOLOLOLOLOL BABIP
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 24, 2010 2:22 PM EDT reply actions
wtf grit
off the wall for a single?
bs hustle
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
haha
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 24, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Can Miles be benched for not hustling on that play?
I mean c’mon, that’s the KING of not hustling plays.
Not afraid to nitpick
look down below this comment
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on Jul 24, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
.
Greene 2rbi single
sac fly by Jay
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on Jul 24, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm pretty sure I was riding the "don't sign Ben Sheets or Rich Harden" campaigns the hardest
So ha.
Not afraid to nitpick
just joking...
though a pitcher can be injured at any time (especially an older one like Oswalt). If he gets hurt in hs next 2 starts, even if it’s minor, the astros don’t get to trade him before the dealdine and have to eat his salary all year.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 24, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Feel blessed
we scored a run and Miles was held to a single, keeping his SLG low.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 24, 2010 2:26 PM EDT reply actions
Well it's a reality
Every time he gets a hit, that means he will make 4 more outs before we can possibly hope he’ll be off the team.
Not afraid to nitpick
i just don't get tony's thought process
how the heck could he start miles 2 days in a row in the leadoff spot? no winn or lopez.
Maybe he just enjoyed Chicago a little too much
Who knows
by Merry CRasmus on Jul 24, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
might be
his name was originally on the card but then switched. something happened.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 24, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
that was his rep
not so much lack of effort as low energy attributed to late nights
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
line up wise
i don’t think tlr’s thought process involves as much win today as he wants people to think
i think he has goals of playing certain folks like miles as much as he can reasonable rationalize it
no one sits down and say, ok, best line up today is miles over floppy gives us best chance to win today
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
OT: this is all over twitter, and it's too funny to not be posted
kings of leon cancel concert in st louis last night allegedly because of pigeon shit.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 24, 2010 2:29 PM EDT reply actions
Pigeons apparently know better than people about bad music
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Jul 24, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i hate them.
this is why i find this so hilarious.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 24, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
good
i’d rather there be pigeon shit all over StL then Kings of Leon
babip giveth... and babip taketh away
what the hell?
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 24, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
oh okay
read it wrong then.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 24, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe soriano can just hit a granny now and i can get on with my day.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 24, 2010 2:35 PM EDT reply actions
How about if Boggs just walks the next four guys?
'Don't kiss an ass if its in the process of shitting on you.' - Best advice ever.
this is gonna be bad
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 24, 2010 2:37 PM EDT reply actions
Good shit Boggs...
Hello 2nd place
'Don't kiss an ass if its in the process of shitting on you.' - Best advice ever.
fuck the heck???
Optimism carried too far becomes dementia.
by RosevilleRedbird on Jul 24, 2010 2:37 PM EDT reply actions
time to go get lucnh
the first half cards are back!
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8vINCq_IAI
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Jul 24, 2010 2:38 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
BTW, that was pure laziness on Molina's part
not only the lack of a dropping to block that but also the throw from a knee.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 24, 2010 2:39 PM EDT reply actions
i'm 100% agreeing with you
they knew that these next two games were throw-aways with soup & hawks on the mound.
it also kind of seems like
they read the reports that they would run away with the division, and are still waiting for the other teams to play accordingly, while they coast
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
it reminds me of april... they came out of the gate hot
then it seems like they got complacent
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 24, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
i agree
as much of a defensive whiz that he is… he takes plays off all the time
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 24, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
are you fucking kidding me?
it’s like boggs just had to give up two runs before he realized he was in the game.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 24, 2010 2:39 PM EDT reply actions
so what'd I miss
of the trainwreck?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
boggs came in for hawk with 1 out, 1st and 2nd.
walked a guy on 5 pitches, then gave up a 2-run wild pitch (yadi error), struck out Soriano and got a groundout
אנא טוני לא יותר ט.א.ס.ס
Tom Gorzelanny is handsome.
Boog brought his bare-hand, Hawksworth gives up HRs like Suppan gives up HRs, Lopez is borrowing Boog’s doghouse (allegedly), RFL has returned, Aaron Miles singled to the warning track…
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 24, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
thank you braintwin
I had pressing business and couldn’t catch much of Brendan Ryan kicking up his trade value.
so suppan’s lessons are catching on, huh? soon hawksworth will have a word of the day too.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
maybe he'll strikeout and not run to first base again
'Don't kiss an ass if its in the process of shitting on you.' - Best advice ever.
Can we please have Boggs being the one throwing 4 innings and Hawk (Salas) throwing for 2 outs?
Not afraid to nitpick
BBing the first batter then settling down to K Soriano and get a groundball > Hawk giving up 2 bombs
Not afraid to nitpick
there we go
"He’s in his own world out there. He says he doesn’t cuss. I disagree." - Skip Schumaker on Jason Motte
STOP TRYING TO TRADE SHELBY MILLER!!
Its only the 6th
….and its the Cubs, this game isn’t over yet
by mick311 on Jul 24, 2010 2:43 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
not much he could have done there
just playing with our heads up our butts, though- Luddy almost walked off the field.
luddy should have walked a couple of times there. very frustrating.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
poop
"He’s in his own world out there. He says he doesn’t cuss. I disagree." - Skip Schumaker on Jason Motte
STOP TRYING TO TRADE SHELBY MILLER!!
this is like who can play the circus music LOUDER
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
worst luck evar.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 24, 2010 2:48 PM EDT reply actions
this is true.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 24, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
1? really? what at bat were you watching?
'Don't kiss an ass if its in the process of shitting on you.' - Best advice ever.
yes, really
pitch 9 was an obvious ball
6 was the kind that gets called a strike 1/3 of the time
אנא טוני לא יותר ט.א.ס.ס
i didn't think so from watching the game
but gameday agrees. That’s interesting.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
And Cardinals give another break right back
way to swing at ball 7 luddy
'Don't kiss an ass if its in the process of shitting on you.' - Best advice ever.
ATG
only the called 3 balls were off the white edge
"He’s in his own world out there. He says he doesn’t cuss. I disagree." - Skip Schumaker on Jason Motte
STOP TRYING TO TRADE SHELBY MILLER!!
oh yes, because the ball an inch off the ground was a CLEAR strike
'Don't kiss an ass if its in the process of shitting on you.' - Best advice ever.
decide for yourself
"He’s in his own world out there. He says he doesn’t cuss. I disagree." - Skip Schumaker on Jason Motte
STOP TRYING TO TRADE SHELBY MILLER!!
Yes, gameday is better than my own eyes...
I forgot about that.
'Don't kiss an ass if its in the process of shitting on you.' - Best advice ever.
it is. because your memory of the pitch is biased, and you're not as good at calling balls and strikes as a robot.
Also probably not as good as a real umpire.
SHOCKING.
אנא טוני לא יותר ט.א.ס.ס
especially given the weird wrigley camera angle
and the awful ADD truck guy flipping from one camera to another so fast you can’t focus on anything.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
I agree with you. 9 was a ball. but 6 was borderline and the others were strikes
אנא טוני לא יותר ט.א.ס.ס
pitch 6 and 9 are a little exaggerated by gameday
they did not cross the plate at knee level, they were shoe level. pitch 7 was also a stretch.
'Don't kiss an ass if its in the process of shitting on you.' - Best advice ever.
'To better beyond the limits of truth'
Yes, exaggerating. Im not suggesting its lying, Im just suggesting it wasn’t that close. Even if it were a breaking ball, thats close.
'Don't kiss an ass if its in the process of shitting on you.' - Best advice ever.
it's where it crosss the plate
it may have been low but you don’t get rung up with your bat on the shoulder for that pitch.
this thread is all Aaron Mile's fault.
I dunno, Matty seems to be fighting a case of thurstonitis, last play notwithstanding
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
cardinals sure poking a lot of balls the opposite way
can they not get around on tom freakin gorzelanny?
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 24, 2010 2:50 PM EDT reply actions
Probably trying to go with the wind
Miles got one to go 5 feet short of the warning track, it must be howling.
Not afraid to nitpick
no shit
who in st louis likes any chicago sports team? i mean the white sox are okay, but not one of my favorite teams or anything.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 24, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Bears
I know plenty of people from STL that are Bears’ fans.
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on Jul 24, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
puke.
i hate the bears.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 24, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
youre kinda young, right?
The Rams have been in STL for most of your life, right?
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on Jul 24, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah.
rams came to st louis in 1995. i was born in 1990. the rams are all i know.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 24, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
for a good bit, STL didnt have a football team
Bears were the closest and easiest to follow.
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on Jul 24, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
fair enough.
but it seems that in the mean time most of them would have just still rooted for the cardinals. i know of plenty of people in LA who still root for the rams.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 24, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Well maybe the silver lining of the Cubs taking this series
is that they will feel they’re back in the race and they keep some of their trade pieces and end up screwing themselves in the long run.
Boy a frosty cold Budweiser would be great about now"…long pause…then an "aahhh". --Mike Shannon
Booooooooog.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
'watch me take a big lick of my shoulder, I'm that awesome'
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
boogy'in 2 for 3
only guy sees gorzo for what he is
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
and Brendan's very, very clear about his communications at home plate, which is a nice change
if Colby took notes, he should wrte that down.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
is miles on deck?
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 24, 2010 2:55 PM EDT reply actions
nevermind
its green tea
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 24, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
/facepalm
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on Jul 24, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
GameDay has Miles both on deck and in the hole
It’s a Cards fan’s nightmare.
by BTown Birds fan on Jul 24, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The GOB heard and laughed.
tempt them not.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
So I guess this team sucks again?
I miss the 8 game winning streak.
by cloistermaximus on Jul 24, 2010 2:56 PM EDT reply actions
We hit the Cubs on one of their
long homestands where their bats have finally woke up. But yeah it’s been pretty poor play from the Cards thus far.
Boy a frosty cold Budweiser would be great about now"…long pause…then an "aahhh". --Mike Shannon
We were shut out in 2 straight games
for the first time in the TLR era. So yeah, pretty poor
אנא טוני לא יותר ט.א.ס.ס
the back of the rotation sucks again.
but we already knew that.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 24, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
let's go cardinals breaks out for the second inning in a row
(that I know of)
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
just turned the game on....very disappointed to see the score
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
we apparently missed a lot of Boog, IHB.
see what happens when you lose faith too soon
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
fucking good.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
no pressure, Shaggy.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
they can't even oblige us with a four-man collision
cubs can’t do anything right
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
to be fair, there wasn't anyone on third until there were two outs.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 24, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
the reds would find that no obstacle.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I will damn well bring up the reds
this cardinals team had no problem doing damage with 2 outs. the reds do it like it’s expected.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
sorry.
that reds team loves to go first-to-third. it’s that kind of club.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
blah blah blah REDS ARE TEH AWESUM AND TEH CARDS SUK ZOMG blah blah blah
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 24, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
look who showed up to hate
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
you originally replied to my comment.
glad you could take a break from hangin’ with your red fan buddies to accuse me of hatin’ though.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 24, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll just leave this here so everyone can appreciate the irony.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
you're so cute sometimes.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 24, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
keep it in your pants
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
everytime we take first place we try as hard as posdible to give it right back
by mick311 on Jul 24, 2010 3:02 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
well
at least the 2nd place team isnt doing much to try to take it back.
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on Jul 24, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Um, how is that not strike 3?
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Well at least we've got Oswalt making his first start for us tonight
He’s just doing it in an Astros uniform
babip giveth... and babip taketh away
he better shut the reds down
but seeing as he plays for houston still, and their O sucks, and cueto’s 9-2… ugh.
all he has to do is his a couple of grand slams
it’s the ace pitcher audition to the cardinals
he must earn it
that would be a feat now wouldnt it
CG SO with 2 grandslams
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 24, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
i see your point
but have to object to your inclusion of a certain statistic there.
אנא טוני לא יותר ט.א.ס.ס
so can i get back at any cubs fan that gives me grief about this series by compairing it to their record against pitt and houston?
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 24, 2010 3:07 PM EDT reply actions
Theriot HAHAHAHA.
never gets old.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
man these guys were complacent even on a pickoff
theriot was probably safe at second- I don’t think Boog actually tagged him, just stuck his glove down there somewhere. Got a break from the umpire, I think.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
i'm not disagreeing and i'm not saying it's available
but i would watch another angle before making that declaration.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 24, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
i wouldn't assume umps are incompetent ALL THE TIME
but consideing it is theriot running to second when playing the cardinals, the probability that he was actually tagged out shoots up alot
naw.
he’s approaching batting under .300 again. he always goes on a tear when he gets close to that line.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 24, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
the mendoza line... the pujols line
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by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 24, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
dempster is pitching tomorrow
should go up a tad
by guillermozeliak on Jul 24, 2010 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions
MILES WILL SAVE US ALL!
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 24, 2010 3:12 PM EDT reply actions
he has to make more defensive plays
compared to the 3 or 4 ab’s he’ll get in a game
and defensively he sucks
i’d rather not have him start than win this one because of him
yes
I chuckle sometimes when this site purports itself to be above PD-commetary level.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 24, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Well we can't hear you from way up that high horse
so you can keep chuckling.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
Aaron miles is not magically delicious
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 24, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
at least give him credit for putting it in play....
better than a k.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 24, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL
this is just comedic.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 24, 2010 3:13 PM EDT reply actions
He's like the guy in caddyshack
Playing golf in a thunderstorm
by Merry CRasmus on Jul 24, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
well until the wheels on Tony Rasmus' plane hit the ground
i say let him hit
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by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 24, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Where the hell was Byrd playing on that one?
No way Miles should go first to third on a ball up the middle.
Holy crap, Jon Jay, you just went up a notch in my book.
Thats notch 1.
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going for shades of Huggie Bear.
'Don't kiss an ass if its in the process of shitting on you.' - Best advice ever.
pujols is the tying run in the 7th or later
guaranteed double play.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 24, 2010 3:15 PM EDT reply actions
sadly, this was my first thought as well...
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oh God... what I wouldn't give for Albert to Lidge Cashner
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 24, 2010 3:16 PM EDT reply actions
here comes the K.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 24, 2010 3:17 PM EDT reply actions
ball 4
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 24, 2010 3:18 PM EDT reply actions
And?
That’s what we, as Americans, say. no metersticks in my hall closet — just those of the yard variety…
I once shot a man just to see him die...then I got distracted and missed it.
by TheDuke32 on Jul 24, 2010 3:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Except Camden Yard...
I once shot a man just to see him die...then I got distracted and missed it.
by TheDuke32 on Jul 24, 2010 3:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
And, of course...
Aaron Miles.
I once shot a man just to see him die...then I got distracted and missed it.
by TheDuke32 on Jul 24, 2010 3:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
hes learning from Soriano
'Don't kiss an ass if its in the process of shitting on you.' - Best advice ever.
awesome
more outs of the base paths… thanks tony!!!
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 24, 2010 3:22 PM EDT reply actions
TLR:
if these guys wont give up, I’ll do it for him. Dave, send him!
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on Jul 24, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Why are we trying to steal on a guy who throws 100 mph?
'Don't kiss an ass if its in the process of shitting on you.' - Best advice ever.
we only get 1 run? awesome.
'Don't kiss an ass if its in the process of shitting on you.' - Best advice ever.
Yea Pujols hitting into a DP wouldnt have even made a difference...
by mick311 on Jul 24, 2010 3:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
one run...
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 24, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
i am constantly facepalming every time i read a post of yours
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
WHAT THE FUCK?
WHY WHY WHY
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 24, 2010 3:23 PM EDT reply actions
we got one run out of that
c’mon! there’s only s much gold at the end of the Miles rainbow.
babip giveth... and babip taketh away
The frustrating team we all loathe is baaaaaaaaaaaack!
Further reinforcing the idea that the team who most recently went 8-1 in a 9-game span was an anomaly.
tis indeed frustrating
but we all know the cure! A come from behind win
The Redbirds are of the highest priority to me... As it should be
It's all part of the plan
to give the Cubs false hope that they still have a chance this season.
Boy a frosty cold Budweiser would be great about now"…long pause…then an "aahhh". --Mike Shannon
we have to remember something though
aside from yesterday, which was the joke, getting shut down by hamels on thursday is nothing to be ashamed of. the back of the rotation was in order yesterday and today, and our chances of winning go wayyyyyyyyy down when those two pitch. six of the eight wins on the streak were provided by wainwright/carpenter/garcia, who are still pitching their asses off.
it’s painful, yes. but at least we’re scoring some runs today. just giving up more runs than we’re scoring because the starting pitching has been shitty.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 24, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Fuck Castro
seriously
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 24, 2010 3:26 PM EDT reply actions
Hey look everyone, a SS has 2 XBH in a game...
that UNPOSSIBLE
'Don't kiss an ass if its in the process of shitting on you.' - Best advice ever.
would it be so damn hard to pitch inside on these fuckers?
hit colvin or castro!!! get them off the plate
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 24, 2010 3:28 PM EDT reply actions
gotta love gun reading for the warmup pitch.
93. just chuckin’ it in there.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 24, 2010 3:28 PM EDT reply actions
yeah i have no idea.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 24, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
i'd imagine he pitched through high school
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
i throw out my shoulder at the fair and i hit 73 tops
he’s just throwing a warm up pitch and he is 20mph higher than me
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 24, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
moar height too
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 24, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
love the dirt cheap commercial that finishes by zooming in on the ass of the girl in the bikini
Bad cameraman, bad!
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cheap cheap...FUN FUN!!
Boy a frosty cold Budweiser would be great about now"…long pause…then an "aahhh". --Mike Shannon
Fucking A Hawksworth
any semblance of competent pitching today and we are in the lead here
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 24, 2010 3:34 PM EDT reply actions
The Cubs' version of Motte is not near as crazy
with an even worse breaking pitch
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shhh
he’s the next nolan ryan
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 24, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
he has a nest
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 24, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hmmmm 2 on no outs...
This looks familiar
by mick311 on Jul 24, 2010 3:35 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
BUNT
then send up rasmus.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 24, 2010 3:35 PM EDT reply actions
is that what tony told you?
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 24, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
probably Al Hrabosky
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2 for his last 24 with 9 K's.
Stats don’t lie.
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 24, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Randy Winn on deck
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Yea y is boog not bunting and Winn on deck
by mick311 on Jul 24, 2010 3:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i'm okay with winn
he’s been hitting alright.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 24, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
HELL YES
i’ll take a gift game, thank you.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 24, 2010 3:38 PM EDT reply actions
Oh, hey, a Cubs error, what'dya know
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i guess they don't miss grit at 2nd after all
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
I'm aware of the sketch
I just have no idea what the picture is for
babip giveth... and babip taketh away
I plead da FIFFFFFF
'Don't kiss an ass if its in the process of shitting on you.' - Best advice ever.
When did we trade Miles back to the Cubs?
Gotta square up to those, Cubs-Miles.
I once shot a man just to see him die...then I got distracted and missed it.
by TheDuke32 on Jul 24, 2010 3:39 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
where is JAIME to pinch run?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
le sigh.
the only positive was getting six bats through the order. pujols will come up again.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 24, 2010 3:41 PM EDT reply actions
yeah
Lets hope for a signature Pujols career destruction in the top of the 9th
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 24, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
gah this is torture
give the hope, take the hope away. lather rinse repeat.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
Saw this while trolling the cubbie page
“The Cards, who were held to one hit the day before by Philadelphia Phillies left-hander Cole Hamels — snapped a major-league record of 2,370 games without consecutive shutouts.”
/I did not know that.
Cubs try to give us a win, we wont take it.
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Why didn't we move the runners over with no outs and guys on 1st n 2nd
…..the wining run gets into scoring position and we avoid the DP
by mick311 on Jul 24, 2010 3:44 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
that was what I was wondering
why in good heaven would you not bunt with Winn, I would have bunted with Ryan… We got lucky to get any runs
The Redbirds are of the highest priority to me... As it should be
not to mention sending jay in the previous inning
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 24, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
and walking almost 7...
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
as much as we may hate to admit it
Marmol is freaking good… all the more satisfying if we can beat him
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 24, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
wrong!
didn’t you hear the surprisingly relevant stat relayed by Dan? 17 k per 9!
Also: 2.78 xFIP. Dude is good.
babip giveth... and babip taketh away
I feel like some salsa.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
how is salas not throwing sliders away?
seriously… the “page” in duncan’s book should be an asterisk next to his name “Sliders away repeat till strike out”
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 24, 2010 3:46 PM EDT reply actions
nevermind
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 24, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
it has been way way too long hasn't it?
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 24, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
scrunch down a little mile and get a walk
"I told myself from the very beginning: 'If he's going to throw a shutout, then he's going to tie,'" Wainwright said. "He was not going to beat me today."
11th year for Marmol?
I thought he was much much younger than that.
this thread is all Aaron Mile's fault.
he sign when he was 16?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
guess so...
Al said that Marmol has been in the system since 1999.
this thread is all Aaron Mile's fault.
snipers on the roof aaron
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by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 24, 2010 3:52 PM EDT reply actions
full count
DON’T SWING!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 24, 2010 3:52 PM EDT reply actions
no he should not have.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 24, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Not a strike all day, its a strike in the 9th though
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shouldn't be a strike, ever
especially not in the ninth inning of a one run game. That’s inexcusable.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
miles got absolutely screwed.
that wasn’t even close.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 24, 2010 3:53 PM EDT reply actions
Mike Shannon, "the umpire can smell the air conditioning"
by mick311 on Jul 24, 2010 3:54 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
moonman has been all over the umps this year
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 24, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Back to notch 0, Jay
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According to the ump
he has been. According to anyone watching, the umpire is blind.
Baseball makes the world go 'round, or at least in my world it does.
by Whiteyballer on Jul 24, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
and according to al and ATG
"I told myself from the very beginning: 'If he's going to throw a shutout, then he's going to tie,'" Wainwright said. "He was not going to beat me today."
GD fucking umps
way to fuck us
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 24, 2010 3:56 PM EDT reply actions
game is played on a razor's edge of skill
complemented by the randomness of most umpire’s inability or lack of desire to call balls and strikes correctly
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
"complemented" isn't the word I would use
“undermined”, “sabotaged”, “subverted”, “defiled”, “ruined”, and “spoiled” all better describe the effect that umpire failures have on the game play, imho.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
Wait, that wasn't a strike? Go figure...
Baseball makes the world go 'round, or at least in my world it does.
You have got to be shitting me ump
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omg
screw you, ump.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 24, 2010 3:57 PM EDT reply actions
I second that nomination!
Baseball makes the world go 'round, or at least in my world it does.
by Whiteyballer on Jul 24, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
oh, come on blue
we’re giving him six inches on BOTH sides of the plate, now?
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
Ladies and Gentlemen
your 2010 St. Louis Cardinals….
dammit.
Optimism carried too far becomes dementia.
by RosevilleRedbird on Jul 24, 2010 3:58 PM EDT reply actions
we did that in Philly too.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
i'm not going to say the ump ruined that inning
but DAMN, some of those calls were, um, questionable.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 24, 2010 3:59 PM EDT reply actions
I suppose you could say questionable,
but ludicrous might be a better word.
Baseball makes the world go 'round, or at least in my world it does.
by Whiteyballer on Jul 24, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
oooh boy
Is this the beginning of another awful stretch.
"I told myself from the very beginning: 'If he's going to throw a shutout, then he's going to tie,'" Wainwright said. "He was not going to beat me today."
Well on our way to that 7 game losing streak
Hey whats up 2nd place? Havent seen you in a week. I didnt miss you.
'Don't kiss an ass if its in the process of shitting on you.' - Best advice ever.
braintwin called it, I'm afraid
was thinking it.
I doubt they’ll skid that long. I’m appalled the man stew went bad so quickly, mostly.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
if Ryan Ludwick had had a chance
he would not have stood for this bullshit
babip giveth... and babip taketh away
It is terrible when an umpire decides the game like that
The Redbirds are of the highest priority to me... As it should be
he didn't decide the game
he just made the ninth inning less exciting than it should have been.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 24, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, that would have been one hell of an exciting weak line drive from Holliday
He and Albert have been nonexistent for the past 3 days.
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i'm just sayin' it should have been first and second with one out.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 24, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I know, I was just commenting on our 3-4 nonhitters
Maybe Ludwick would have done something clutchy.
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i'm just excited he's back
now someone needs to tell holliday and pujols they’re good.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 24, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Holliday pretty much
carried the team through the 8 game win streak. I mean, you like to see guys never stop hitting. Put people hit rough spots.
this thread is all Aaron Mile's fault.
and maybe even more than that
since jay might not have gone up hacking if he hadn’t seen miles rung up on a pitch a foot out of the zone.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
We haven't played the best
but the Cubs have taken advantage of their ungodly long 10 game homestand. They will start to suck again once they have to go on the road. Funny thing is this series might give them some hope and they keep some of their aging veterans and decide not to trade them. LoL.
Boy a frosty cold Budweiser would be great about now"…long pause…then an "aahhh". --Mike Shannon
I hope Carpenter first pitch tomorrow kneecaps Tyler Colvin
Only to a Cub would I hope for such a fate.
'Don't kiss an ass if its in the process of shitting on you.' - Best advice ever.
This makes the waino loss to philly hurt alot more...
as ugly as this game was I can deal with back to back losses from soup and hawk
by mick311 on Jul 24, 2010 4:07 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
fun fact of the day!
the cubs were 0-8 with RISP today. and scored six runs.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 24, 2010 4:11 PM EDT reply actions
That passed ball that Boggs threw
screwed us in the end. Another “sloppy” loss.
Boy a frosty cold Budweiser would be great about now"…long pause…then an "aahhh". --Mike Shannon
Passed ball implies blame on catcher
yet, you said “Boggs threw”.
It was a bad pitch but a Major League catcher should slide to his left and block it, not try to backhand it off the hop.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 24, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
The leadoff runner getting on leads to a 50% increased chance of getting a run
That umpire needs to be fined for that call. Also, Tony needs to take one for the team after that call and get himself ejected. They missed the call at first where miles was safe and Miles got called out on that pitch? Miles got screwed today
The Redbirds are of the highest priority to me... As it should be
yeah, Tony pulled a Lou.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
but by the same token
Miles should’ve bitten him
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Oswalt needs to start his career as a cardinal by beating the Reds as an Astro
The Redbirds are of the highest priority to me... As it should be
by ANDYAK47 on Jul 24, 2010 4:16 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
if he can pick up a win tonight he has one more start left with houston
he was quoted as saying it was very important to him what he did with these next TWO starts – 2 wins and he’s the all-time wins leader for the stros.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
good luck on that with how he's pitching right now
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
yeah, he seems a little distracted
don’t know if it’s us but the houston radio team sure sounded like he’s gone. well, he can at least tie joe niekro with his next/last stros start.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
man i love when reds fans come out of the woodwork after going up in first place again
congrats guys, you managed to win two against a very piss poor astros teams while the cardinals dropped a couple against the cubs at wrigley with the wind blowing out and the back half of the rotation pitching. oh, and IT’S STILL JULY!
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 24, 2010 10:12 PM EDT reply actions
aren't you the guy that thinks the reds are going to win the division?
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 24, 2010 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
yes
but due to all the reasons you listed, that doesn’t make it any less hilarious, why is it so difficult for you to tolerate the fact that i don’t blindly accept the cardinals as the best team in the division?
i was just making sure i kept my people right.
and i’ll just defer to this comment on why i think the cardinals are superior to the reds.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 24, 2010 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions
they put up 6 runs against oswalt
they should be celebrating. let them.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
i'll let them celebrate the win
but they’re celebrating their return to first place like they won the division or something. earth to cincy: it’s just and we’re tied on the loss side.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 24, 2010 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
God help us if we start referring to the Dreaded Loss Column
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
haha
i’m just saying half game leads mean essentially nothing if you’re not in control of the other half of the game.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 24, 2010 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
i remember similar celebration when we got back to first place
it doesn’t mean much now, but they’re entitled to bragging right as long as they are ahead in the standings
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
by prophetjohn on Jul 24, 2010 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
that was also the back of the cubs rotation these two games
and we had the same wind as the cubs. plus the reds beat oswalt tonight, while cueto didn’t allow a run at the amusement park. and without rolen.
there was a lot of exuberance around here when we ran off a streak, and understandably so, but those who thought we were just going to run away with it at that point i can’t agree with – the reds aren’t going anywhere, and if we don’t get oswalt, he may change his mind and ok a move to cincy. i see a tight race, perhaps decided by moves made or not made now. of course, both of us could conceivably make the playoffs.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
cubs back >>>> cardinals back
but i tend to agree with the rest of your post. i still think the cardinals win the division by 3-5 games, but we will sweat until and through september.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 24, 2010 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
i don't think wells is the back of the cubs rotation
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
by prophetjohn on Jul 24, 2010 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
cubs SP's FIPs
wells – 3.29
lilly – 4.63
gorzellany – 3.31 (the fuck?)
dempster – 4.17
zambrano – 4.11
silva – 3.79
we arguably faced their two best pitchers. i don’t really think gorzellany is for real, but he’s definitely having the second best season for a cubs’ SP. wells is probably for real and probably their best SP
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by prophetjohn on Jul 24, 2010 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, this.
i was going to refute the back of the rotation point but didn’t want to do the work. thanks for reading my mind, PJ.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 24, 2010 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
dempster, lilly, and silva are the top 3 in THEIR pecking order
wells is 4 and gorzellany is 5 and in the rotation because big z went bye bye. your 4 could outperform your 2 in any given year, but that doesn’t change the pecking order. it’s just more, as fang pointed out, their back end is better than ours.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
who gives a shit about pecking order?
why even bring up the fact that we faced “the back end” of their rotation if you aren’t saying that we faced the fourth and fifth best SPs?
we faced their two best starters and got shut down by wells, while scoring enough runs to win most games off of gorzellany. not an entirely embarrassing series
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
by prophetjohn on Jul 25, 2010 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions
these two are their 4 and 5 starters
i consider that the back end of the rotation. if you think gorzellany and wells are better than dempster, for instance, fine, but obviously the cubs disagree with you, and it’s their rotation. if someone were to be sent to the pen, a la our hawksworth, it would be gorzellany, perhaps wells, but definitely not the other three. fang used the term “back end of rotation”, and that means a team’s 4 and 5 starters, which would be wells and gorzellany – that’s what the term means. he didn’t say the cubs faced our two worst pitchers, which can be something different – in our case it isn’t, but in the cubs case it is. should the cubs make the playoffs, dempster, lilly, and silva would be pitching the first 3 games.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
i dunno
i think it’s hard to look at wells and not see that he’s a damn good pitcher. he would definitely start in the playoffs. ‘course they already put gorzellany in the ’pen for a while. maybe i shouldn’t act like the cubs would always make the rational choice
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
i like wells
after all, he’s a cardinal fan.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
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