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An offense that wasn't Hawkworthy

That was a frustrating game, for a lot of the right reasons. For one thing: Blake Hawksworth was really not so bad! Again! Hawksworth-the-starter appears to have two pitches, three when he works in the occasional cutter or curveball—a fastball he tries to put on the outside corner until he gets to two strikes, and a changeup that usually isn't a strike. As Suppan has shown us, anything can be reasonably effective when a pitcher is hitting the corners, and Hawksworth was using a 93-94 mile per hour fastball instead of Suppan's 85 mph Suppanball. 

And that made the changeup an extremely effective pitch. Hawksworth got nine swinging strikes on it last night, five of them belonging to Prince Fielder, in the course of earning his seven strikeouts. He proved as combustible as ever, but with Suppan categorically replaceable and Adam Ottavino no less combustible Hawksworth is an interesting fourth or fifth starter until his services are no longer required. But the Cardinals couldn't put any sustained runs together. 

For another thing: the Cardinals couldn't put any sustained runs together against Randy Wolf! Wolf's been a fine starter for the last two years, so his FIP heading into today's game was probably not an extremely accurate gauge of his talents. But now was a bad time for the Cardinals to help him step away from the walks crown, which he held heading into last night's game. 

So the Cardinals got a great outing from, numerically, at least, their worst starter, and squandered it against a pitcher who was leading the league in walks. Albert Pujols hit a home run, but nobody was on base; they walked three times in 2 2/3 innings after the reigning league leader in walks left the game. Bad Timing, substandard execution, and an excellent catch from none other than Jim Edmonds—who didn't even get one of the home runs, which is all I really could have asked for. (15 more to 400!)

After the jump, a look at the offense of the 13-13 June that was.

Star-divide

One thing the Cardinals did incredibly well in June, despite being regularly called listless, disinterested, too loose, and, that old chestnut, too reliant on the home run: steal bases. The Cardinals stole 21 bases in 26 attempts in June, the most they'd stolen since June of 2005, when Reggie Sanders stole eight without being caught to lead the team to a 23-for-29 mark. (Sanders stole six the rest of the year, but was caught just once.) This month the credit goes to Brendan Ryan and Albert Pujols, who collectively stole nine; erstwhile thievery champion Yadier Molina made just one attempt, which was unsuccessful. Shockingly, those stolen bases did not make up for the Cardinals failing to put additional runners on base. 

For the second month in three the offense was provided by Colby Rasmus, whose nine home runs gave him a team-leading .286/.341/.643 line. The walks weren't there like they were in April, but nine home runs—I'll take it. Coming up just behind him were Matt Holliday and Pujols, who hit .302/.387/.583 and .298/.402/.543. What's striking, though, is how reliant the Cardinals were on those three—after Adam Wainwright, who hit .333/.467/.417 in 17 plate appearances, the next best line belonged to Skip Schumaker, who hit just .311/.350/.378.

Offensive problems are so often attributed to the best players on the team and so rarely caused by the best players on the team; in June the Cardinals' supporting cast disappeared. Schumaker's success was counteracted by poor performances from Brendan Ryan, Felipe Lopez, and especially David Freese (.540 OPS) and Yadier Molina (.496.) It's one thing to say that Pujols hit a home run with the runners empty despite having runners on base later on—the problem is that those runners just aren't consistently there. 

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Perfect Storm

It seems like so much is going so wrong. Home runs with no one on base. Then we get a first and third no out and do the worst thing possible, a strikeout and a double play. With so little power on this team it requires far too many hits in a row to score much of anything. Add in the bench and it really gets terrible. It is so bad that on the radio the best things the announcers could say were along the lines of, “so and so looked comfortable up there, he is starting to come around.” Waiting for the whole damn team to come around is getting really old. This team needs a shake up. Memphis we’re looking at you!

by ajo080s on Jul 2, 2010 7:24 AM EDT reply actions  

"so little power"

They’re not tearing the cover off the ball but they do rank 6th in the NL in ISO and SLG and 7th in OPS but their 10th in overall run production and 9th in wOBA..

I’d like to see someone smarter than I really break down exactly what is going on (with actual emprical support and no sports writer bullshit).

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Jul 2, 2010 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Timely power?

A glance through baseball-reference reveals that we are in fact not that powerless (5th in doubles, 6th in home runs) or hit less (5th in hits), yet we are 10th in RBIs and runs scored. All despite the fact that we are 4th in at-bats. Sadly, Cincinnati leads in runs, runs/game, hits, SLG, OPS, and OPS+. Regression right? I guess the second half should be fun as we charge towards regression. It just seems like we have been saying this for two months. When does it stop being an anomaly and start becoming a reflection of who we are?

Also, I find our stats somewhat misleading. It seems we get our runs in bunches when we don’t need them (Wainos 8-0 win) and can’t manage 3-4 when we need three or four. Might be an interesting fanpost to see how we have scored all of our runs this year. Now do I have the time?

by ajo080s on Jul 2, 2010 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

I've got you...

They can’t hit when them runners is on base and stuff…

by stlfan on Jul 2, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Is there any way to compare splits betweeen teams on B-R?

I was just looking at our bases occupied splits (.299 .350 .486 .836 as a team with runner on 3rd, < 2 out actually isn’t as bad as I was expecting) and was wondering if there was any way to compare this with other teams, without going back to each individual team’s page.

Cardinals Baseball 2010: Why have only one 25th man when you can have four?

by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Jul 2, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm more interested in the Living Social Ultimate Spa package for $85

45m Microdermabrasion Facial, neck/face massage, mani/pedi!

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Jul 2, 2010 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

I text my esthetician regularly.

1. I really am that Vain.

2. Go through your phone and text a hot girl and ask if she wants to go get facials…once she figures out your serious she’ll be pumped (has to be a stereotyped hot girl though, doesn’t work on most plain jane girls).

3. I love talking to girls about OPI naming conventions: “I’m really not a waitress”, “He’s not worth it”, “Overexposed in South Beach” etc…

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Jul 2, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

you're*

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Jul 2, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

wat

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jul 2, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

I get facials to stay pretty and I talk to girls about thier nail polish cause OPI is clever.

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Jul 2, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

oh, okay

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jul 2, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Suddenly, you are my hero.

I never knew that website existed and now I have found a new shade of nail polish. Thanks.

by cardsgirl95 on Jul 2, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

wolf

it was a good thing i didn’t watch the game last night.

it sure seems like you can pencil in a win for the brewers every time wolf is on the mound against the cards, much the same with bud norris and the stros. i wonder what wolf’s career numbers are against stl…

Albert's grand slam, 7/3/09
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Jeff Passan is an asshat
Hoping that the Cards trade for Cliff Lee!

by zoomzoomj88 on Jul 2, 2010 8:53 AM EDT reply actions  

Review at your leisure

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.

by TBender on Jul 2, 2010 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

no ERA?

really, B-R?

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jul 2, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Second table

3.64 vs St. Louis

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.

by TBender on Jul 2, 2010 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, i needed to scroll down....

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jul 2, 2010 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

you prematured all over the place

“I’m sorry, this has never happened before…it’s just been a while and you’re so hot…”

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Jul 2, 2010 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

There are a lot of things that bother me about this team

Why is Holliday back in the clean up spot when he went on a tear in the 2 spot? TLR’s lineup lottery is really annoying, especially with the bench so mediocre. This team has to add a bat, the runs are not coming

by riotmute on Jul 2, 2010 9:00 AM EDT reply actions  

I suspect TLR shifted Holliday back to cleanup because Ludwick went down.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jul 2, 2010 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

and he has been fine

in the Cleanup spot since moving back.

by Evilfrog on Jul 2, 2010 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

i mean...

Not 5 HRs in 4 days good. But I doubt if he would have kept that up in the 2 hole.

by Evilfrog on Jul 2, 2010 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm pretty confident in saying...

that Holliday couldn’t stay on pace to hit 202.5 HRs over the course of 162 games even if he was batting infront of Pujols.

by Evilfrog on Jul 2, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

The whole batting in front of Pujols thing seems like a fallacy to me, anyways

But empirical evidence could prove me wrong.

Anyways, the theory behind batting a player in front of Pujols is that they don’t want to walk anybody to get to Pujols, letting him hit with men on base. Therefore, the pitcher is required to throw the #2 hitter more strikes, and he’ll get more hits, which puts more players on base for Pujols!

Why not just try and get every hitter out the same way?

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jul 2, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

this

and i was wondering the same thing a few days ago. holliday tears it up batting 2nd. you put him back in cleanup and he goes cold again.

Albert's grand slam, 7/3/09
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by zoomzoomj88 on Jul 2, 2010 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think he probably would have gone cold again, or at least cooled off,

regardless. That week was downright ridiculous.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jul 2, 2010 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

the bigger problem

is repeatedly putting Ryan or Schumaker in the leadoff spot.

by chuckb on Jul 2, 2010 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

i have more of a problem

with boog hitting leadoff. you’ve got a guy who’s hitting .200 batting leadoff? considering he’s swinging and missing at every slider imaginable, he’s not really getting the concept down. but then again, he just hasn’t been right all year.

Albert's grand slam, 7/3/09
@zoomzoomj88
Jeff Passan is an asshat
Hoping that the Cards trade for Cliff Lee!

by zoomzoomj88 on Jul 2, 2010 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's more about OBP than BA,

but, Boog’s OBP is terrible and should never be in the leadoff slot. Our leadoff OBP is .331 as a team, which is the middle of the pack for MLB, believe it or not. With Skip returning to career levels of production, I think he and his .340ish OBP is fine in the leadoff spot. I don’t know who else we have that is a better option.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jul 2, 2010 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

as i recall

i thought i saw the other night that boog’s obp was .204 or something just freakishly awful.

Albert's grand slam, 7/3/09
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Jeff Passan is an asshat
Hoping that the Cards trade for Cliff Lee!

by zoomzoomj88 on Jul 2, 2010 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm sure it is below .300.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jul 2, 2010 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think that was his average

His OBP is in the .270 to .280 range, I believe. Which is still awful. It’s very frustrating to see Tony put together a logical batting order for a few games and then put together an entirely illogical one the next week.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Jul 2, 2010 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ryan poor start

is pushing his numbers. Ryan’s numbers up to May 26th were .175/.260/.237/.497. Since May 27th, when he was reinstated as the first choice as SS, Ryan has started 25 of 32 games and his line is .242/.296/.385/.681.

His recent numbers are acceptable for a great glove number 8 hitter, but not what the team needs from leadoff hitter.

by ubeddie on Jul 2, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bingo

I still would like to give Rasmus a few more games in the top spot. With his BB% back near his career minor league levels, a power-hitting Colby could be downright Hendersonian.

Alright, maybe that’s a bridge too far, but it’s not completely crazy…right?

Adios Esposito.
Adios Sarge. Say a prayer for Surf Boy...wherever he is.

by lightbulb on Jul 2, 2010 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

honest question

has he gotten on base at leadoff more than Brendan Ryan at leadoff?

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 2, 2010 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

his BB% has been trending down.

17 BBs in April
11 BBs in May
7 BBs in June

by Evilfrog on Jul 2, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

as long as his HR's keep trending up I'm ok with that

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by STLRegalia on Jul 2, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

and batting leadoff

he won’t strike out right before an inevitable Yadi GIDP

Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")

by STLRegalia on Jul 2, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

of course

there is also Rasmus stating that he doesn’t want to bat leadoff.

by Evilfrog on Jul 2, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think he should bat leadoff

still just cranky that they did what I thought they’d do. Once Colby gets 2 strikes I envision either a majestic swing and miss or a fastball on the outside corner for strike 3 and whenever Yadi is up with less than 2 outs and a runner on first I envision a slow bouncer followed by an even slower Yadi for 2 outs.

Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")

by STLRegalia on Jul 2, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pardon my french,

but Randy Wolf fucking owns us the last 10 months, and it’s really, really annoying.

Any team that wants to beat us in the playoffs should just acquire the worst 2 left handed starters in the majors and Bud Norris. Save their good pitchers for the NLCS.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jul 2, 2010 9:05 AM EDT reply actions  

This presupposes we make it to October.

I mean, what if they do this and then the Reds win the Central?

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jul 2, 2010 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just make sure the crap throwers are on the 40-man on Sept. 1 (or is it Aug 31/Sep. 30?)...

…and then you can pick your pitching staff for the LDS according to your opponent.

by dronemc on Jul 2, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

25 man by 8/31, iirc.

and then hokey injuries can come into play to get someone on a roster as long as they were on the 40 man.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jul 2, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think it's the 25-man they have to be on.

Otherwise, why would there have been all the hoopla a few years back about Marquis being on or off the postseason roster? I know that there are always stories about “Manager has to make tough postseason roster decisions,” and if it’s just the 25-man snapshot of your team on Aug. 31, then there’s really no decision to be made.

by dronemc on Jul 2, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's where the mysterious injuries

on 9/30 come into play. We discussed this pretty in depth last year, IIRC. I don’t have the time right now to find the posts though.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jul 2, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, you're right.

Found this on a blog discussing the Tiger’s playoff roster issues from a year or so ago.

“To be eligible for a team’s playoff roster a player must be on either a)the 25 man active roster, b)the disabled list, c)the bereavement list, d)the suspended list as of August 31st at midnight.”

by dronemc on Jul 2, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Right.....there is a loophole though, where if one of the players on the 25

goes to the dl, any player on the 40 as of 8/31, may be called up. So if a pitcher comes up lame, he can be replaced with anyone on the 40 man for the playoffs.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jul 2, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

i thought it was

anyone that was in the organization as of 8/31 could be called up

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jul 2, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

it sucks

seeing soft-tossing lefties continue to pull stunts like this. especially since this has happened all season long.

Albert's grand slam, 7/3/09
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Hoping that the Cards trade for Cliff Lee!

by zoomzoomj88 on Jul 2, 2010 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fixed

especially since this has happened all season long for the last 5 seasons in a row.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jul 2, 2010 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just seems that way for some reason

But it is not true.

Vs. LH starters .258 / .337 / .417 / .754
Vs. RH starters .259 / .331 / .404 / .734

Basically a wash. And our BABIP is actually quite a bit lower against lefties, so we have even been unlucky against them. No less frustrating though.

by ajo080s on Jul 2, 2010 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

What's our record against lefties this year?

What’s our record against lefties with an FIP over 4.75?

Those would be the things I would be interested in.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jul 2, 2010 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

but considering how this lineup leans farther right than the NRA

they should be mauling LHP

Time is the best teacher; Unfortunately it kills all its students

by TomCat009 on Jul 2, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Day by Day Database on Baseball Musings

Using this wonderful tool over at Baseball Musings, I will now provide you Lopez and Schumaker’s slash lines since I wrote my May 17, 2010, Fanpost about Schumaker needing to start at second.

Skip: .292/.341/.383/.724
Flip: .250/.336/.375/.711

So, they are about equal, making my position acceptable but not necessarily correct. That said, Skip’s line since that point in time looks pretty similar to his career line of .294/.350/.389/.739. It seems that Skip is who Mo thought he was when he gave him the two-year extension.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jul 2, 2010 9:23 AM EDT reply actions  

It looks like Lopez is DeRosa 2.0

Minus the prospects. Makes you wonder if the contract Lopez signed, with the at-bats qualifiers, isn’t a sign that the front office knew his elbow wasn’t right but took a gamble. All signs seem to point to this. All signs except why the hell he pitched in the marathon game. Things that make you go hmmmmm….

by ajo080s on Jul 2, 2010 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think they had a sober view of his 2009 season,

which now looks to be an outlier. I think he is a better hitter than that BA, which would drive up his OPS and wOBA. He has a career .329 wOBA. His wOBA this season is .329.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jul 2, 2010 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

I actually think he is better than his numbers this year too.

Last 28 days .237 .314 .329 .643
Last 14 days .282 .341 .385 .726
Last 7 days .368 .455 .368 .823

Seems like he may be turning it around after the elbow discomfort. Small sample size alert!

by ajo080s on Jul 2, 2010 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

trending up is always a good thing.

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jul 2, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

The black swan on my shoulder (literally, I finally got the tattoo!)

says not necessarily.

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Jul 2, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

The only thing I can add

is the rather obvious difference in BB%. Skip should hit in the .290s when he’s himself, and that’s good and all, because he needs that to be a decent hitter. Lopez, if his average ever increases, has the walk rate to be a better hitter than Skip.
Unfortunately for me, zips has him hitting .256 the rest of the year, which is his current BA. So I guess when you talk about career averages, we should expect him to keep doing what he’s been doing, which is be a mediocre hitter.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Jul 2, 2010 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

that's unfortunate for all of us, mattybobo

unfortunately

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jul 2, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Psh, I'm looking out for A number one

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Jul 2, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Skip, Skip, He's our man! If he can't do it, no one can!

Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")

by STLRegalia on Jul 2, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

i have noticed skip being more like skip

it makes me happy.

now if we can only get boog to be more like boog….

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jul 2, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

So...that new confidence poll thingy...

…is flatlined.

Apparently, the Cardinals are dead.

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.

by TBender on Jul 2, 2010 9:53 AM EDT reply actions  

'e's... 'e's restin'!

Remarkable birds, eh? Beautiful plumage.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 2, 2010 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

So TLR said RFL may be back as soon as today....

I frigging hope so.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jul 2, 2010 9:56 AM EDT reply actions  

I almost wish they'd DL him retroactively,

and bring someone else up. Might as well give him a bit of extra time at this point. We’ve seen how bad it is without him, and I don’t want him to aggravate the injury and miss even more time.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jul 2, 2010 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't disagree with this. I'm just tired of seeing Nick F Stavino starting in right.

I wish they’d gut this bench and get the mafia up here, but I think we all (most) feel that way.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jul 2, 2010 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree.

But, I’d settle for a bit more Stavinoha in the short term to avoid a lot more of Stavinoha in the long term.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jul 2, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

I Dunno....

the Stavintator had 2 hits last night, and his current slashes are .288/.333/.731 – not setting the world on fire, but replacement-level. His D is not that good, so yeah, we need Cowlick back in the field, but would Joey Bombs do that much better? or Allen Craig Craig Alan Allan Graig, etc? Plus he has a Gritstache!

:=8)

Big McLargehuge!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Jul 2, 2010 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

I am still waiting for confirmation of Joey Stache.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 2, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

TBH, I have no problem with Nick PH'ing.

It’s just watching him trot out to right and getting over exposed that burns me up. Miles and Stav to end the game night before last burned me up.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jul 2, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

so this is not the burning in the outfield you were expecting?

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 2, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

guy has 9 starts over the year

and most of those coming when Ludwick went down.

by Evilfrog on Jul 2, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ludwick wentr down,

Craig or Mather should have come up.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jul 2, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

but he hasn't had been DL'd yet

At first they thought it would be only a day or two, then he relapsed when DHing. You would have had to send him to the DL to bring someone up.

by Evilfrog on Jul 2, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

right, it's moot now,

but it’s just another in a pattern of awful roster management so far this year.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jul 2, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

not sure if it's awful roster management

to misjudge an injury.

Miles on the underhand…

by Evilfrog on Jul 2, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

I know it looks like it's underhand

But seriously, that’s just as hard as he can throw the ball, really.

by mojowo11 on Jul 2, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

hahaha

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jul 2, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

But when Freese went to the DL

A pitcher was called up. Part of the short bench problem is because Freese was not replaced with a position player.

by OCCardsFan on Jul 2, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Send down Otto today,

and get us some Craig or Bombs action please.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jul 2, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think it needs to be Craig or Tyler Greene

But we need another bat and I like the idea of Craig who at least gives you a power threat in a PH role.

by OCCardsFan on Jul 2, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Probably waiting until

after Garcia’s start today and Carp’s health for tomorrow. If Garcia returns to form and pitches six and Carp goes his normal seven, the Cards will most likely send Otto back to Memphis for regular work and call up a bench player. Strauss thought Greene was coming up to replace Freeze.

Greene was selected for the AAA all star game on July 14th (last off day of the break). Don’t know if a recall to mlb would impact his participation in the AAA all star game.

by ubeddie on Jul 2, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

unfortunately

I don’t think a Stav infection is what’s bringing this offense down.

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by STLRegalia on Jul 2, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

but if he's almost back,

we can only DL him back a week or so and we’d be wasting a week of luddy if he could potentially be back in a day or two

now, if not for that PH appearance, it would be doable

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by prophetjohn on Jul 2, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

unless he needs a rehab assignment

rushing him back last year without a rehab assignment resulted in extended Dudwick, IIRC

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by STLRegalia on Jul 2, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

i'm actually pretty fucking pissed they haven't done that already.

he’s missed what, 7 games?

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by IHeartBoog on Jul 2, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yadi, what happened to you

gun, wheels, clutch bat… my screenname is rapidly sliding out of relevance!

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 2, 2010 9:57 AM EDT reply actions  

oh yes

it’s just disconcerting when you feel like they’ve secretly switched Molinas on you.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 2, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

???

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jul 2, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

yes.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 2, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

so, OT:

woot.com

pretty cool site. they have one deal per day on gagdets and stuff. right now they have what appear to be some nice headphones that normally retail for $250 selling for $60

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jul 2, 2010 9:59 AM EDT reply actions  

also OT

and OT from the previous post: mother of god it’s early

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jul 2, 2010 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'll be the know-it-all snob who says their

deals aren’t nearly as good as they used to be. Cool family of sites though, partially based in St. Louis too.

by mattyp on Jul 2, 2010 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

they were recently bought by amazon

like 2 days ago. maybe the deals will get good again. either way, this is a good deal. yesterday was like $30 off a kindle. not so good

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jul 2, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

What's Amazon Prime?

Obviously, living in my mother’s basement and reviewing spreadsheets of every baseball game (ya know, because I don’t actually watch any game) means that I am also ignorant about all non-baseball interwebssites.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jul 2, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Prime is awesome

it’s “free” 2 day shipping on every Amazon item, actually sometimes the items come overnight (one of the big knocks on woot is they use FedEx smartpost which takes foooooorrrrrreeeever). Amazon prime is usually like $100 for the year iirc, but you can search slickdeals.net and you’ll find free trials. Keep creating new accounts and you can basically have it free all the time.

by mattyp on Jul 2, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Only really worth it if you read around 1,000 books a year and order them all individually

or you buy the really heavy items that would cost $20 or $30 to ship normally.

Otherwise, just use the super saver shipping on orders over $25.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jul 2, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's not free dude, it costs you $100

unless you want to switch profiles all the time (which, btw, they will eventually catch you doing because you’re using the same address I’d imagine), and I use the Amazon Wish List as my personal shopping database. It also doesn’t work on used items, which is a good deal of what I buy on Amazon.

It’s a pain in the ass to switch profiles and dig for promo deals, when I can just as easily make all my orders $25 or more and get them shipped free anyway! Or use Subscribe and Save and get free shipping as well! If you need something from Amazon in two days that you can’t wait four days for, perhaps you shouldn’t be shopping there in the first place — you’d be better off going to a retail outlet.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jul 2, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pretty much the same

except I haven’t really used amazon at all since i’ve found glyde.com

seems better for games than books/cds but still a great service

by YesWeOquendo on Jul 2, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes it is. I wish there were more books

Most of the books look really cheap on there.

Thanks for the link — never heard of that one!

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jul 2, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

also check out steepandcheap.com

if your into outdoors stuff. Lots of great deals on jackets, camping equipment, etc.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jul 2, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Cheapandsteep.com

steepandcheap has a family of sites, as well and cheapandsteep.com gives you an overview of them all, I think. Tramdock, brociety, whickeymilitia, etc. Can find some good deals on those

by brafi on Jul 2, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't know aboot the overview site,

Thanks.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jul 2, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Call me crazy

but I see a 17-9 month upcoming…we get houston for 3, dodgers and phillies at home(should have some payback in store for both)…cubs at wrigley(pujols and ludwick love wrigley) and pittsburgh for two at the end

i just feel like this is the month where everyone starts hitting together…Pujols and holliday are heating up…colby should be able to keep up his pace, skip is coming around…we just need to ludwick healthy and felipe/yadi to break out of their funks…i just get a feeling this is gonna be a good month

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That guy we gave a lot of money in the offseason to protect albert is dead to me...DEAD TO ME

by VolsnCards5 on Jul 2, 2010 10:55 AM EDT reply actions  

don't forget that Houston has swept us this year

::vomits all over self::
 
For comparison, the Reds play CHI, NYM, PHI, COL, WASH, HOU, MIL, and ATL
we definitely have the more favorable July schedule, we absolutely need to capitalize this month and put some distance between us and the Red menace.

by mattyp on Jul 2, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Love that positivity

but the best predictor of the future is the past and the last two months have been pretty lackluster.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down and that foot is me

by heathen on Jul 2, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

the reds only have 9 home games in the month of july.

this fares well for us, i think.

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"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jul 2, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I about lost my mind last night

Listening to TLR before the game yesterday on the radio. He was talking about roster creation. Talking about how to make choices on who should be on the team. They shouldn’t me MLB caliber but MLB Champion’s caliber. (turns radio off)

by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 2, 2010 10:55 AM EDT reply actions  

Yes.

So does Suppan, Miles, LaRue, and Stavinoha.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jul 2, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

MLB Champions Tour Rules:
  1. Nobody is allowed to throw more than 5 innings or harder than 77 mph.
  2. Facial hair styles from 1998 or 1975 encouraged but not required.
  3. Everyone starts with a 1-1 count.
  4. Home runs only count when hit with one knee on the ground.
  5. If your career SLG in the MLB is below .350, you may use an aluminum bat once per game. Choose wisely, Aaron!
  6. Games are only 6 innings long.
  7. MLB experience not required. If you’re a dentist who’s played slow pitch softball for 30 years, come on down!!! It’s possible that you might actually be better than half the guys in this league anyway!

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jul 2, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

this would be awesome for the All Star Game...

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 2, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

crazy newsletter of the moment

would you trade the hot hitting Memphis Mafia for Cliff Lee?

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 2, 2010 11:03 AM EDT reply actions  

Of course

Tony will never play them until Mo forces him to and Mo is the guy who inflicted Miles, Suppan and Winn (well he’s not so bad except he blocks younger talent) on us.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down and that foot is me

by heathen on Jul 2, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

If greene and Craig were on the team,

Instead of miles and Stavinoha, they would get the same playing time that Miles and Stavinoha are getting.

by Evilfrog on Jul 2, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is true (and would be an awful lot of playing time lately, btw)

But then we still have to wonder whether they can play at the MLB level or not, don’t we? They aren’t likely to hurt us any more than the guys we currently have, and we get to decide whether any of those guys can actually help us in the long term by letting them play. You can only learn so much from AAA. Craig is clearly a better hitter than Stavinoha, yet Stav is on the roster. Greene is so much better than Miles as a bench player it’s incomprehensible why Miles is on the club.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jul 2, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes

Your point? Major league teams can’t just punt the end of the bench and say “Ah, these guys don’t fuckin matter!” They do matter, particularly when teams get in injury binds like the one the Cards are in now. Aaron Miles and Nick Stavinoha have had to start games, and neither can do anything well at all. Meanwhile, Craig and Greene are rotting in AAA, playing reasonably well. At some point the org. needs to figure out if Greene or Craig have a future with this organization and just letting them play in AAA to “get at-bats” isn’t going to do it.

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by redbirdnation8206 on Jul 2, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

my point is;

when Heathen stated Tony never play greene or craig(er, hot hitting memphis mofia); that Tony would use them just as much as the guys they were replacing.

To illistrate my point Greene is starting his first day back, and when we had Craig and Stavinoha, Craig started several times before Nick got a start.

If Mo removes Miles and Stavinoha they will get playing time.

by Evilfrog on Jul 2, 2010 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

No. Need moar runs.

I would, however, trade the not hitting Big League bench for a ham sandwich.

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.

by TBender on Jul 2, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

a ham sandwich with bacon?

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 2, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bacon makes the deal too lopsided.

I’d have to throw in some cash.

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.

by TBender on Jul 2, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

wait till the bacon regresses

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 2, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Finally!

It took me forever to finally join this blog and figure out how to post on my phone. I love this site and have been wanting to join u guys for a while. Tough time to watch cards games tho. The allstar break could not come any sooner, the team just looks tired. Albert, matt, and yadi could all use a few days off. My biggest complaint right now is why in the hell we have to see stavinoha and miles in the lineup everyday. I thought the whole point we sent down Jay, greene, craig was due to the fact they needed to play everyday. Well, with freese and luddy out and a shot at some consistent playing time for a week or two y not bring one of them up! The bottom line is the lineups we r putting out there are just REALLY bad right now. Stav, Miles, Winn r all bench players and there’s a reason for that. Why not only r we playin these guys everyday but also going with a 3 man bench is stunning to me. These guys obviously aren’t gettin it done filling in, and TLR is known for always shifting guys around, so why in the world have we not seen even one of these guys called up yet?

by mick311 on Jul 2, 2010 11:04 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Suggestion for the new guy

“Text speak” is frowned upon—-it’s exactly two extra letters to type out “are”.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jul 2, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

and also, welcome!

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by IHeartBoog on Jul 2, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Welcome!

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by redbirdnation8206 on Jul 2, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

And I really like Colby but does anyone seem to symbolize our offense more than he does? All or nothing, hot or cold, homerun or strikeout…..I love the kid n think he’s gettin better but shit he is so streaky. Obviously that hot streak in June wasn’t going to go on forever but I’d really like to see some more consistency out of him, he’s frusterating to watch…kinda like the whole offense has been all year.

by mick311 on Jul 2, 2010 11:10 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I could be wrong,

but it seems to me that Pujols is up-and-down, as well, this season. At least, as compared to prior seasons. In fact, this should probably be a Fanpost…

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jul 2, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

i don't care what the numbers say

(grumble grumble spreadsheets joe morgan)

but albert has not been himself this year. he’ll go on binges every few games that keep his numbers in the elite category (but not the 1.100 OPS pujolsian category we’ve come to expect) yet in between there’s more games where he’s popping up, rolling over on balls and chasing terrible pitches to the degree that i have never seen from him. often these are in critical situations

this has made me wonder all season if he’s playing hurt. him deciding to sit out of the home run derby makes me wonder even more

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by prophetjohn on Jul 2, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

maybe the offseason surgery didn't work?

*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 2, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

but to me

his problem is with plate discipline, not seeming hurt. he is swinging at pitches I’ve never seen him swing at before. he is pressing too much, almost seems desperate at times. very un-albert-like.

*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 2, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

perhaps he's pressing due to

the upcoming contract?

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jul 2, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

I think that is weighing on his mind. he’s never had to deal with a situation on par with this. them signing Holliday basically to show that they want to re-sign him is kind of an odd situation, and I’m sure there’s all kinds of stuff going on behind the scenes we don’t know about, and the whole Phillies trade thing to start off the season, and that surgery he had on the bone spurs all add up to changes for Albert.

*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 2, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I often wonder about this.

Albert Pujols has made tens of millions of dollars and will not be without money for the rest of his life. His children will not be without money for their entire lives. Depending on investments, it’s likely his grandchildren will not be without money, too. So, why would he press? Is another $200MM that much of a big deal to him?

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jul 2, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Perhaps not the money,

but living up to the expectation that goes along with the money?

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jul 2, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

So, do I.

But, most charitable contributions are tax deductible, meaning that he likely isn’t losing all that much of his earnings due to charitable contributions. I try to make as much money as possible, too, but, if I ever get to the point where I have, say, $50MM in the bank, I’ll probably become a little more relaxed in my job, knowing that I’m not doing it to feed my family—ya know, since the family is fed for the next 50 years. That’s all I’m saying.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jul 2, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

When I was in my early 20s I used to think people who made

50k a year had it great and anything else is greedy blah blah blah

doesn’t work that way. there’s a reason why in the history of entertainment, sports, etc that someone has never said “oh, no thanks, I already have enough money”. Opra gives away millions but I bet she doesn’t turn down multi million dollar deals out of kindness.

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by rocKStark5 on Jul 2, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am still in my twenties and don't think this.

I understand the drive to make money, of course. My comment related to Pujols and whether he is pressing because he will become a free agent after next season. I would think that after he made $100MM, there would be less reason for him to press in the penultimate season of his current contract. Of course, he wants to make more money. But, after making that much and playing at such a sustained level of excellence, I would think the pressure of the forthcoming contract would be less than, say, for Prince Fielder.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jul 2, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

i mean

If we are talking about a 5-10% difference in pay, then yeah, go for where you think you’ll enjoy paying the most. But if you get into a 50% pay difference…. That is a lot.

Think of all the beds he could buy for people in the Dominican?

by Evilfrog on Jul 2, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

he absolutely is

I mentioned in another post that his AB/HR is close to his career average (15 this season vs. 14 career), but he’s amassed about half his homeruns in just four games. It’s hard to knock the guy for that, but more consistency out of him would be nice.

by mattyp on Jul 2, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yea he has been more inconsistent than seasons past it seems. All these guys have just been hot or ice cold. And they rarely all hit at the same time. It happens for a game or two but they can never sustain it. The most consistent hitter we have is Ludwick and I think that’s more obvious now that he’s out. I think July will end up being a pretty good month too though. I think the cards will get healthy over the break n come out hot. It does help that we have a pretty soft august-sept. This reminds me a lot of last year. Started april hot, played .500 in june, stumbled into July and then took advantage of a soft late July-August n took over the division. I hope it happens

by mick311 on Jul 2, 2010 11:18 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

i hope so

protip: there’s a button under each post that says “reply.” if you click it, it will maintain the threaded nature of the comment and people will be able to tell who you’re talking to

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by prophetjohn on Jul 2, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Didn’t we drop 4 in a row in a series at home vs. COL right before the allstar break last year?

by mick311 on Jul 2, 2010 11:20 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

nah, it was in early June

but COL was in last place at the time. I remember being disgusted with the Cards that series.

by mattyp on Jul 2, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Has anyone mentioned how the pitching rotation is going to unfold after the break

I’m going to the Saturday game against the Dodgers, the 17th. Any chance I’ll see Waino?

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by VolsnCards5 on Jul 2, 2010 11:23 AM EDT reply actions  

that's right after the ASB

i’d say it really depends on who pitches in the ASG. if none of the cards’ starters do, you’ll probably get jaime. if waino or carp do, you’ll probably get that one or supp/hawk/penny

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by prophetjohn on Jul 2, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

waino and carp are both allstars, aren't they?

i’d be awfully surprised (though not necessarily upset…) if they don’t make the team. waino is second in wins and carp has only lost one game. they are both sporting sub-3 ERAs and over 100 Ks.

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by IHeartBoog on Jul 2, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope Carpenter does not pitch in the ASG.

And, if I had my way, neither would Wainwright or any other Cardinal pitcher.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jul 2, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree.

I would be perfectly happy to have Nick S as the lone Cardinal representative to that stain on the game.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jul 2, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, i agree

i wouldnt be upset about them not making it. i just think that they will.

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by IHeartBoog on Jul 2, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

What we expected versus what we are getting

Here are some of our players, first number is career OPS and the second is this season:

Pujols 1.051 vs. .989
Holliday .928 vs. .876
Ludwick .832 vs. .822
Schumaker .739 vs. .655
Molina .684 vs. .615
Ryan .679 vs. .578
Lopez .738 vs. .728

For Freese, his career minor league OPS is .916. His MLE based on last season is .755 and this season his OPS is .765.

That’s the top 9 position players by total plate appearances, save for Colby Rasmus. Colby is the the only one that is clearly having a good season based on our expectations going in. Freese, Lopez, and Ludwick are around what we may have expected, but everyone else seems to be below that. It just adds to the problem that our bench guys are Stavinoha (career OPS .607), Miles (Career OPS .678), and LaRue (2010 OPS .483).

The Godfather himself has decided to grace us with his presence. This is his damn house. He sleeps 20 feet away.

by thegodfather on Jul 2, 2010 11:25 AM EDT reply actions  

shhhiiiiit @

.615, .578, and .655. What a terrible year for some of these guys. I love Boog and Yadi too much to malign them, so I’ll just say that Skip has been atrocious and absolutely worthless this year. Man do I wish Descalso was having a good year and was poised to replace him next year..but of course that isn’t exactly working out either.

by mattyp on Jul 2, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Skip's .728 OPS for June disagrees with your assessment.

He hasn’t been TOTALLY worthless. Merely worse than we’d like, at least this past month.

by dronemc on Jul 2, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

-.1 WAR for the season

worthless. A league average second baseman is worth something, a decent amount even. But Skip has been decidedly below average. Glad to see he might be turning it around though.

by mattyp on Jul 2, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Even worse...

…Stav’s .607 OPS is slugging-heavy, inasmuch as such a thing is possible.

by dronemc on Jul 2, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

So, Mark

I hear you’re the hitting coach now.

by mojowo11 on Jul 2, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

OT: orange!!!!

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 2, 2010 11:29 AM EDT reply actions  

Holy VanCrap!

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.

by TBender on Jul 2, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

heilig stront you mean?

I don't give a fuck who you confuse me with.

by chalk on Jul 2, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

what an idiot

how can you get a redcard at that spot…he’ll be shot

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

That guy we gave a lot of money in the offseason to protect albert is dead to me...DEAD TO ME

by VolsnCards5 on Jul 2, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Goes back to my theory on Brazilian soccer

If you have two names, you aren’t that good.

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.

by TBender on Jul 2, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

boooom

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 2, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Brazil's Done....gah

/toocleverbyhalf

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.

by TBender on Jul 2, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's okay, Brazil

Brazil is still one of my all-time favorite movies.

by mojowo11 on Jul 2, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

also, this should be the excuse they needed to jettison Dunga

and thus regain the love of their country

I don't give a fuck who you confuse me with.

by chalk on Jul 2, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

And put the team under more pressure for 2014.

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.

by TBender on Jul 2, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ghanamania!

Random long distance shots FTW!

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.

by TBender on Jul 2, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Free soccer

1-1 in Extra Time

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.

by TBender on Jul 2, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Garcia

Will bounce back tonight. I think last week was just an off day but I’m def worried about him wearing down in the 2nd half. He was suppose to be our 5th starter but b/c of how good he’s been and the injuries he’s workin a lot more than expected and a lot more than u would like for a rookie coming off surgery. That is one of my biggest concerns going forward, and I think these next few starts may determine if we make a trade or not. I heard an interview with Holliday on the radio the other day and he was asked about all the injuries…he mentioned luddy, freese n the pitchers then at the end said Jaimes been really sore…that was the first I heard of it but it def worries me

by mick311 on Jul 2, 2010 11:32 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

i was actually wondering if we should shut him down till after the ASB

give him a couple weeks rest…but our starting rotation is in shambles…so thats not a real option

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

That guy we gave a lot of money in the offseason to protect albert is dead to me...DEAD TO ME

by VolsnCards5 on Jul 2, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

that would be a nice luxury

but we don’t have that luxury

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 2, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wonder the same thing

Just try to keep his innings down. We can avoid the Verducci effect!

maybe we can do this when a pitcher or 2 comes back from injuries.

by sdrone on Jul 2, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I went to see if they moved Bengie's blog

and found this after the FESPN Chariots of Fire incident:

Got a text this afternoon from Yadier:
“It’s baseball. You got to enjoy it. I know it’s not going good for us. But we’ve been very, very blessed because we’re God’s children. Baseball is second to that. I love you so much.‘’
For him to say those things is amazing to me. He hardly ever texts me. I’m always the one texting him and Jose and encouraging them. But that’s the way we see baseball — as a family. We pick each other up.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 2, 2010 11:38 AM EDT reply actions   2 recs

Awesome

The Godfather himself has decided to grace us with his presence. This is his damn house. He sleeps 20 feet away.

by thegodfather on Jul 2, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's good to know Yadi has the right attitude about this.

Maybe he should be whispering in Tony’s ear.

Sometimes I think the man is just too intense for the team. What year was it, when after really bad loses, he would have his press conferences and just be all light and airy?? He had decided that the intense approach wasn’t going to work. Anyone remember that?

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by spfldbird on Jul 2, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

i know there is not point trying to figure out TLR

But with Motte,Franko,Boggs and now even Salas all giving us solid RHRP out of the pen why is Kmac not getting a “bullpen” start. He was primed to start in spring and looked good, I know when lohse/penny first went down we still thought we would need him more in the bullpen….but is does anyone else think he could benefit the team more in the rotation right now?

by mick311 on Jul 2, 2010 11:45 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Personally,

I’d rather keep him from getting burned out by the end of the season. I’d rather have an effective KMac in September than 2-3 starts from him in July, especially with how Hawk and Suppan haven’t been too bad so far.

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by thegodfather on Jul 2, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think it's because TLR is a role bullpen manager.

He assigns players roles, and it does shift at times, but he does not tend to use them out of the role he has assigned them very easily. Hawks worth is the WonderReliever, the new Thompson, which means he is the long man and starts once in a while. K-Mac is a late-inning guy. This means he splits time with the other righty late-inning guy (Motte) when TLR needs to use one of his LOOGYs. K-Mac is not going to be moved out of a role TLR and K-Mac are comfortable with K-Mac performing when TLR has already assigned the spot start reliever role to Hawk.

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by bgh on Jul 2, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pujols had 30 HR at the end of June last season

but he went cold after the All-start break…since he hasn’t been hot for the first part of this season, maybe he will really heat up after the all-star break

/wishful thinking

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

That guy we gave a lot of money in the offseason to protect albert is dead to me...DEAD TO ME

by VolsnCards5 on Jul 2, 2010 11:50 AM EDT reply actions  

Of course,

last season, his power vanished as his elbow injury got worse. It makes one wonder why the consistent power is not there this season. Then again, maybe this is all because of Holliday…

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by bgh on Jul 2, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

f'in holliday

go count your money!

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by prophetjohn on Jul 2, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's the league...

19 homes might be down from last year, but it’s still leading the league. So it’s not just Pujols whose power is down.

by DiscoJer on Jul 2, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

the sad part of my brain

wonders if his apparent decline in vision is related to decrease in HGH…but then the happy part of my brain tells me no, he’s as clean as a whistle (a new whistle at the store, because a used whistle is covered in spit and not very clean at all)

Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")

by STLRegalia on Jul 2, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

there are only a handful of players whose PED usage would genuinely shock me.

pujols is one of them. i’m almost positive i would feel that way even if i wasn’t a cards fan. especially since i don’t really feel that way about anyone else on the team.

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by IHeartBoog on Jul 2, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

it wouldn't particularly shock me

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jul 2, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I had "Aaron Miles" ready to go

but then saw you included that footnote

Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")

by STLRegalia on Jul 2, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've always felt that way

but his seeming change in approach/vision has me in panic mode

Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")

by STLRegalia on Jul 2, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

for what it's worth

his isolated power is now considerably higher than it was in 2007, so it’s not as though this is an unprecedentedly bad season anymore.

by DanUpBaby on Jul 2, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

power, yes

isn’t one of the benefits of HGH better vision?

Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")

by STLRegalia on Jul 2, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I keep volunteering myself for clinical trials

but nobody will call me back

Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")

by STLRegalia on Jul 2, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

And, since it's not yet mid-point of the season

If you extrapolate 19 bombs over a whole season it’s roughly 40. Which is still pretty good. It’s come in fits and starts, of course, but the man’s still Albert Pujols.

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by redbirdnation8206 on Jul 2, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Home Run Derby Curse?

I was thinking about Pujols and his reduced power the second half of last year and first half of this year and was wondering if it had anything to do with the Home Run Derby and the anecdotal evidence that the Home Run Derby really screws up players swings for a while.

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by Green Man! on Jul 2, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Home Run Derby curse is a product of who gets selected

The people who get picked for it had huge 1/2 seasons almost always above their career norms, it would be expected that there would be a 2nd half “dropoff” from the 1st half.

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by joker24 on Jul 2, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

no

as I said quite often, Albert’s sporadic production began before the Derby.

this year’s sporadic production looks like something totally different from last year. vision is a popular theory.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 2, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not really

In the 2 weeks before the Break last year, he hit .333/.472/.595, before that in the final 2 weeks of June he hit .370/.508/1.000.

On the other hand, in the 2 weeks after the ASG he hit .255/.369/.400. Of course then he hit .319/.443/.649 in August and .431/.500/.882 in the first 2 weeks of September. It was the .295/.389/.393 from there till the end of the season that could be called a slump that could be caused by injury.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jul 2, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

hmmm

it was a particular series, and perhaps I’ve misremembered when it was.

but it wasn’t the production averaged out, it was the sporadic-ness of it. we were seeing different mechanics, and all of his doubles turned into weak singles, which wouldn’t show up in average. anyway, I am rather in a hurry and I’ve had this discussion I don’t know how many times, so I’m afraid I’ll just have to say it’s back there in VEB archives.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 2, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

anybody ever had Anchor Steam beer ?

had that and Anchor Porter last night, and HFS are they delicious. new favorite beer brand.

by mattyp on Jul 2, 2010 12:08 PM EDT reply actions  

bottle or draft?

I think I have some porter sitting in the fridge at home. Wonder how old it is. Hmm.

by sdrone on Jul 2, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Both are very good

but the Anchor Liberty Ale is even better.

by NCSaluki on Jul 2, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

speak of the devil

was looking at their website and saw that. Then when I was out walking around at lunch I came upon a Bodega that sells Steam, Porter, and the Liberty Ale. Looks like I gotta try the Liberty Ale now. Only downside: $15 for a 6-pack in NYC. Arggghhh.

by mattyp on Jul 2, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Delawar FTW!!!

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by TomCat009 on Jul 2, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I live in San Francisco

So, um, yeah. A few times, you might say.

It is pretty delicious stuff.

by mojowo11 on Jul 2, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm a big fan of the Small Beer

They don’t have an IPA though, so they aren’t in my top 5 in terms of beer brands….

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jul 2, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great minds......

I really liked O’Fallons 5 Day while I was out there.

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Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jul 2, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you can't brew a decent IPA as a microbrewery,

I lose a little respect for you as a brew master, because I think those are the hardest beers to make consistently good.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jul 2, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

My local, and forgive me if I've said this before,

makes what they call a Single Malt IPA. It was A 1st place winner for the 2007 NA strong pale ale category. Awesome stuff.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jul 2, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah yes, Blackfoot

I’ve heard very good things about that IPA, as well as the rest of their brews. It’s almost worth a drive to Montana. If it wasn’t for those pesky boring-as-hell-to-drive-through Dakota’s between me and Montana I’d think about it.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jul 2, 2010 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

All of there beers are really superb....

Every Thursday they put a 1 batch only brew on their beer engine. The beautiful thing is their 1/6 barrels only run me $60, which works out to aboot $1.50/ pint. I always have the IPA on tap (it really is that good), then rotate through some of their others on one of my other taps.

And yes, that drive is hell.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jul 2, 2010 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I should come visit for a week

Drink all your beer, fly fish, and then hire someone to drive me home while I sleep for the entire drive, lol.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jul 2, 2010 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anchor Steam is awesome

I went to San Francisco (where they make the stuff) and had one on an elevated restaurant in Fisherman’s Wharf overlooking Alcatraz and the SF Bay. Pretty amazing view and a great brew to go along with it.

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by redbirdnation8206 on Jul 2, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anchor Steam was one of the worst beers I've ever had.

Nasty bitter stuff.

Two new beers I tried tonight for the first time:
IPA Centennial – VERY hoppy, a little harsh after taste. Not my kind of beer.
North Scrimshaw – Good pilsner. A little too light.

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by azruavatar on Jul 3, 2010 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Apparently I'm in the minority of Anchor steam

It was so disliked that I don’t know that I’ll ever give it a second chance.

Silly humans, this world is for robots.

by azruavatar on Jul 3, 2010 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

nah, it's an average beer.

Better than something like budweiser, but not in the same league as a new belgium or lost coast or stone. Probably right around the level of an amber bock in quality.

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by SleepyCA on Jul 3, 2010 3:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was the same way, for that price there's a ton of better beers imo

I don’t think I’ve ever gotten it more than twice

*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah I don't like it much either

*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 3, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

any news on the draftees?

what’s the timeframe for signing folks out of the amateur draft?

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by EinFesteBusch on Jul 2, 2010 12:24 PM EDT reply actions  

most have signed.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jul 2, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

except for the important ones, right?

*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 2, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

heh ya

i think the third rounder is the highest we’ve signed, and wilson is still not convinced

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by BVHeck on Jul 2, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jul 2, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

After that game last night, I'm just...

so angry.
blarg

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by BVHeck on Jul 2, 2010 12:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Wanna talk it out, big guy?

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by mysterui on Jul 2, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

nah

"He’s in his own world out there. He says he doesn’t cuss. I disagree." - Skip Schumaker on Jason Motte
Austin Wilson, please don't be a tease!

by BVHeck on Jul 2, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

wanna fucking hug it out?

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by rocKStark5 on Jul 2, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

...

maybe

"He’s in his own world out there. He says he doesn’t cuss. I disagree." - Skip Schumaker on Jason Motte
Austin Wilson, please don't be a tease!

by BVHeck on Jul 2, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'll take it.

i play the “slowly wear them down” game.

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by rocKStark5 on Jul 2, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

urge to kill

Fading, Fading, fading, RISING, fading, gone….

"He’s in his own world out there. He says he doesn’t cuss. I disagree." - Skip Schumaker on Jason Motte
Austin Wilson, please don't be a tease!

by BVHeck on Jul 2, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm disappointed, angry, flabbergasted too

but will probably be watching again tonight! argh

*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 2, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm sort of just opting not to think too hard about it all

Anytime I see Miles in the lineup, I’m like, “SON OF A oh forget it, what’s the point.”

by mojowo11 on Jul 2, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

dead LOBsters

Cardinals Baseball 2010: Why have only one 25th man when you can have four?

by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Jul 2, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Come end of July

The Reds are going to find a way to improve their team. If Jocketty is in sniffing distance, and he is, he’s going to add some pieces. That’s his M.O. anyway, and does anyone think he’s going to pass on an opportunity to twist the knife? I’m not seeing where we have the pieces to compete in an arms race, and he knows it.

I’ve been pretty much out of pocket much of the year, so I haven’t been able to keep up on rumors too much, but is anyone linking the Reds to Haren or Lee yet? When you look at it at a glance, they seem to be in a much better position to put a trade package around it. Whether they have the finances to do it might be a seperate question, but they might be willing to just make a run for this season like the Brewers did with CC. I doubt long term finances even matter much, given their opportunity, and where they have been for years.

by Merry CRasmus on Jul 2, 2010 1:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Volquez should be back within a week or two

I’m not sure they would go after Haren or Lee, but I would bet on Jock adding a bullpen piece or two.

by OCCardsFan on Jul 2, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Between

Cueto, Volquez, Leake, Bailey, Wood, Chapman they have some young arms. They are going to have to move some of them to extract full value at some point. Might be wise to leverage it when you can take the division. They also have Alonso that they may never have a use for. His value has to be down, because he is not performing well, but I think as a secondary piece he still attracts a good bit of interest.

I don’t know their system top to bottom, but I can see a number higher level minor league talent that they are pressured to find a home for soon.

by Merry CRasmus on Jul 2, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

what if they get drew from d'backs

to shore up SS, really the only place they are weak in the starting 8? they could add one bullpen arm too, even with chapman supposed to join masset and rhodes

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by cardball on Jul 2, 2010 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Chicago Tribune writer was pointing this out yesterday

and how it’s gonna make a significant difference.

by sdrone on Jul 2, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

The only thing I've really seen lately

is this from MLBTR yesterday. Just one guy’s speculation that the Reds might start looking at Lee. Also, second item, note that Goold thinks it would be a bad idea to trade Shelby.

Cardinals Baseball 2010: Why have only one 25th man when you can have four?

by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Jul 2, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Of course he does.

That’s becaue Goold doesn’t understand the value of three-month rental Proven Veterans who Know How To Win.

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by bgh on Jul 2, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

plus draft picks.

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by SleepyCA on Jul 3, 2010 3:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

nice sig, tommy

and i doubt the reds will look at lee. someone else, maybe, but probably not him.

Albert's grand slam, 7/3/09
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Hoping that the Cards trade for Cliff Lee!

by zoomzoomj88 on Jul 2, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks.

And I hope they don’t go after Lee. I keep hoping for their wheels to come off…

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by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Jul 2, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

me too

but those bastards keep coming back in the extra innings.

Albert's grand slam, 7/3/09
@zoomzoomj88
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Hoping that the Cards trade for Cliff Lee!

by zoomzoomj88 on Jul 2, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

...

I’ll be at Busch this weekend. I figured that as a parting gift (for a couple days anyway), and to get me more pumped up, I’d write up a little something. Plus, since I’m going to major in communications this fall in college, this would be good practice.

Albert's grand slam, 7/3/09
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by zoomzoomj88 on Jul 2, 2010 1:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Hmmm.

I thought that would be a link to a photo of a communications major skipping class in favor of drinking beer, playing video games, and then hitting bar…

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

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by bgh on Jul 2, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Close

The photo would be of a spoiled brat (Suburban Pussy) in his jammies playing video games at 2 in the afternoon. Maybe you will get a man shot after a year of school!

SD

by Gibby45 on Jul 2, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

BTW

I can say that since I am his daddy. Hey Zoom, who’s yer Daddy?

SD

by Gibby45 on Jul 2, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

nice one dad

glad he’s not on veb very often… he’s often a sarcastic ass.

Albert's grand slam, 7/3/09
@zoomzoomj88
Jeff Passan is an asshat
Hoping that the Cards trade for Cliff Lee!

by zoomzoomj88 on Jul 2, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

What was our record July 4 of last year?

Seeing the Birds this week-end. A year ago, I saw them in Cincy. We saw AnK, Dunc, Thirston, Hoffpauir, Tyler Greene, Kahlil, etc. Horrible line-ups. This year the line-up looks much better, tho our bench is worse than our high school team’s. Record is the same vs last year, tho? Massive underachieving going on. And, did I mention the bench? I think TLR had BP screw up to distract us from seeing how dreadful the bench is!

SD

by Gibby45 on Jul 2, 2010 2:12 PM EDT reply actions  

well

the Brewers were in first around this time last year

*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 2, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

now the first-place team is a legitimate first-place team

which is more worrying

I don't give a fuck who you confuse me with.

by chalk on Jul 2, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

the reds?

heh

*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 2, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

they are legit

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jul 2, 2010 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

not necessarily "legit"

but wins in the books count, even if they are lucky, and if they pick up Lee and steroid boy comes back throwing 105 or whatever, they’ll be legit.

Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers

by SleepyCA on Jul 3, 2010 3:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

I had forgotten about Duncan and Thurston.

Its a tough call, but I’d take Stav and Miles over those two.

by Cardfanintherock on Jul 2, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's good to have some perspective on things.

I would think with Colby and Holiday plus Stav and Miles we are much better than with Duncan, Ankiel, Thurston and Kahill etc.

So we are getting the same results, eh? Interesting.

"I've had pretty good success with Stan (Musial) by throwing him my best pitch and backing up third." - Carl Erskine

by spfldbird on Jul 2, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

i would take thursty over miles, easily

not sure about the other two. at least dunc’ could take a walk. stav might be the better option, though

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jul 2, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Thurston might be an acceptable back-up,

but being a starter made him intolerable because the flaws in his game were exposed. His walk rate would be nice on our current bench.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jul 2, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

the reds just anger me nowadays

up 1-0 on the cubs, bottom 5. might be one of the few times i root for the cubs.

Albert's grand slam, 7/3/09
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Jeff Passan is an asshat
Hoping that the Cards trade for Cliff Lee!

by zoomzoomj88 on Jul 2, 2010 3:34 PM EDT reply actions  

lol, go, cubs!

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jul 2, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

go sCrubs!

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 2, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

C'mon Cubbies

Go all Zambrano on their asses. New saying … instead of “don’t make me go medieval on your ass” it could be “don’t make me go all Zambrano on your ass!”

SD

by Gibby45 on Jul 2, 2010 3:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Go all Zambrano on your cooler!

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.

by TBender on Jul 2, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

holy crap

all your EVOs and iphone 4s look like motorola razrs from 2002

http://gizmodo.com/5578588/htc-hd3-leak-windows-phone-7-mega+phone-with-45-amoled-and-15ghz-snapdragon

1.5ghz processor with 1gb of RAM. to bad about the OS it’s running

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jul 2, 2010 3:59 PM EDT reply actions  

My god

I don’t really give a shit about the OS as I’m sure MS has put plenty of work into 7-mobile if they are coming out with a phone like that (38 billion in cash reserves can in fact buy you some nifty R&D if you aren’t arrogant), the total lack of any app store would be an issue. Still though….that’s like twice as good of tech specs as anything else if that’s accurate and MS has just kicked off a war.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jul 2, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Windows Phone

I’ve had both Mobile 5.0 and Mobile 6.0 and each was supposed to be better than the last version and they both sucked horribly. If they can buy some R&D, why didn’t they just buy webOS from Palm? That’s better than anything they could possibly develop in house, imo.

Give me Android please

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jul 2, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Um

That’s a mock up. It’s not real.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jul 2, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

source?

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jul 2, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

click the link

scroll to the bottom of the page where it says UPDATE.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jul 2, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, i got that now

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jul 2, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

so should i have

heh

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jul 2, 2010 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

bottom of the write up

update: fake

“it was a beautiful dream while it lasted”

C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!

by yer dog first on Jul 2, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh,

well, i then i can firmly slide back into my feeling of EVO superiority

i had a feeling there was a reason engadget wasn’t reporting it, too

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jul 2, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

so you're saying

maybe hawksworth really was that bad last night?

my VEB world has turned upside down!

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jul 2, 2010 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Have you seen the new Samsung Epic 4G phone for Sprint though?

It’s a horizontal slider with a keyboard, Android 2.1 with an upgrade to 2.2 possibly, AMOLED screen, and similar hardware to the EVO without the HDMI out.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jul 2, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah,

it’s cool if you’re into the physical keyboard thing. even placing that aside, EVO is still better

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jul 2, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like having a physical keyboard

I’m not good with the on-screen ones, possibly because I have fat fingers and thumbs.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jul 2, 2010 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

any computer people here??

does mlb.tv qualify as “software” or is it just a program?

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jul 2, 2010 4:14 PM EDT reply actions  

not a computer person

but I’m going to go with c.) All of the Above

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by STLRegalia on Jul 2, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

You don't physically install it on your computer do you?

Just navigate to the site, right? I would say it’s just a website.
Also, why?

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jul 2, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

you have to install a program to be able to run it, don't you?

my boyfriend for his class has to write about a new and exciting computer gadget or software that he uses. we can’t think of anything else.

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jul 2, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know....

I have EI on Direct TV. If you have to install it on your computer, it’s software.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jul 2, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

i guess you just install the media player....

fuck.

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jul 2, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think you're over-thinking this, personally

mlb.tv is a very cool, relatively new technology, that was on the forefront of delivering live high-quality video. Just because you don’t need to install anything on your physical machine doesn’t mean it’s not software. There’s a huge software infrastructure in place on mlb’s servers to deliver the service.

From a user standpoint, mlb.tv is a website, but the line between website and application is blurring. Gmail is no less of an application than Outlook or Thunderbird just because it’s hosted on someone else’s computer (Google’s).

by brackenthebox on Jul 2, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

There ya go.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jul 2, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

thanks. i like this explanation. appreciate it

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jul 2, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

i wouldn't call it a web app

any more than i’d call youtube a web app

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jul 2, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it's semantics that is outside the scope of the assignment

if “gadget” and “software” are fair game, it feels like it qualifies.

and if quicktime is an app, I don’t see why youtube isn’t.

by brackenthebox on Jul 2, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

neither

but the nexdef plugin could qualify as either

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jul 2, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

yup

*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 2, 2010 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Reds

four runs on just two hits.

LOL Cubs.

by Michael_68_1999 on Jul 2, 2010 4:24 PM EDT reply actions  

make it six now.

fucking cubs. can’t do anything right.

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jul 2, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

8-0

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jul 2, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

They are going to start to run away with this thing

I mean, they just don’t lose. Even when they should, they pull out a victory. Every starting pitcher is putting together a quality start, they have no injuries, and every hitter has about 50 RBI’s. I don’t see how the Cardinals can keep pace with that with all the injuries.

by cloistermaximus on Jul 2, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

you're going crazy

the reds aren’t going to run away from it… they are on a good streak right now…. and its july

Rasmus can hit lefties
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St. Louis Sports blog

by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 2, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

They've been on a good streak for about 3 months now

When does it stop being a streak and just start being a good team? Granted it’s July, but that team just seems to have the swagger. I haven’t seen anything like it since the ’05 White Sox and ’08 Cubs.

by cloistermaximus on Jul 2, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

when they go out and sign trade for Holliday

Like the Cardinals did last year. Everyone thought we were playing over or heads then too.

by Evilfrog on Jul 2, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do you think they will?

They have starting depth, but are a little light on the front end. I’m expecting them to make moves.

by Merry CRasmus on Jul 2, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

uh oh

you sound like my cubs fans friends last year…

Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")

by STLRegalia on Jul 2, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

mother of god

i went to smoke a cigaretter during a pitchers’ duel and i come back to the reds having scored 9 runs. and the cubs, well, none

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jul 2, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thus: quit smoking.

I don't give a fuck who you confuse me with.

by chalk on Jul 2, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

They pwned Brian Schlitter

I pitched against Schlitter in high school. Obviously he was totally nasty. I believe I lost that day.

by mojowo11 on Jul 2, 2010 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

At this point, this frustration

is the norm. I thought this team would be much better offensively than they have been, and maddeningly inconsistent. At some point, it’s not a slump that will adjust back to projected norms, it is what it is.

At what point do we say this is what they are and hope for the best?

"Whoever said that the pen is mightier than the sword never encountered automatic weapons."

by Ted Glover on Jul 2, 2010 4:28 PM EDT reply actions  

should we start worrying

That there is a real legitimate chance we are not going to win the division and miss the playoffs?

by mick311 on Jul 2, 2010 4:28 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

there is definitely a legitimate chance.

but i don’t its time to worry yet. give it another 6 weeks or so and re-assess

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jul 2, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ohio is a shitty hellhole full of sullen people

where nothing good ever happens and sports teams are perennially cursed. I’m not worried.

by mattyp on Jul 2, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

But it sure does have a lot of astronauts!

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jul 2, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

gdm????? Is that you?

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jul 2, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

nope, just doing my best impression

but their sports teams there really are cursed. That part I wasn’t joking about.

by mattyp on Jul 2, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

the cards need

One of those come from behind morale boosting wins. We haven’t had many and the team just looks to be tired and have a lack of focus right now. We need a come from behind win, not a random offensive outburst game we win 8-0. I feel like the best win of the year was that sunday game vs LAA. I was there n it was great, carp gave up 5 and we battled back and lopez got a walk of hit in xtras. That’s what we need, a game we come back from down 2-3 late in the game n win on a walk off HIT! Hell kinda like stavs lucky homerun earlier in the year vs the brewers. We nEed some kind of boost to get us playin well into the break, with colorado comin up n the reds havin another series against the beat up phillys after they finish off the mess of the cubs we could be in big trouble by the time the break comes if we don’t tough it out this last week.

by mick311 on Jul 2, 2010 4:40 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

It's not like that game provided some huge boost

The Cards then went 6-4 against SD, CHI and CIN.

I’ll take a good old fashioned ass-whooping of a team we should beat. No thanks on the come from behind thing. The offense needs to get going.

by OCCardsFan on Jul 2, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

tyler greene is on the team?

lopez
rasmus
puls
holliday
stav
molina
ryan
garcia
greene

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jul 2, 2010 4:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Salus down, T Greene up

....my quick smells like french toast...

Twitter: @mstreeter06

by mstreeter06 on Jul 2, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

damnit Salas

....my quick smells like french toast...

Twitter: @mstreeter06

by mstreeter06 on Jul 2, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really like Salas

But fuck. This is awesome

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jul 2, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

what the hell does he have to do?

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jul 2, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

...

Lopez 3B and T Greene 2B

....my quick smells like french toast...

Twitter: @mstreeter06

by mstreeter06 on Jul 2, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Joy!

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jul 2, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Free greene tea!!!!!

I don't give a fuck who you confuse me with.

by chalk on Jul 2, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

also glad to see Luis Puls hitting 3rd.

I don't give a fuck who you confuse me with.

by chalk on Jul 2, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha,

i just noticed that. no idea how it happened >.>

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jul 2, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

and it's

dan puls. i’m not too sure about the cards’ decision to trade for him, convert him to a hitter or call him up from rookie league!

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jul 2, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

HOORAY!

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jul 2, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

the lineup falls off a cliff after 1-4

Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")

by STLRegalia on Jul 2, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

might as well

lump all your best hitter together, i guess

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jul 2, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's awesome!

*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 2, 2010 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

i just ran out my room

did a fist pump in the air….

Rasmus can hit lefties
cardinalred
St. Louis Sports blog

by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 2, 2010 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

OT:

RT @FlimtotheFlam Get MLB.tv Premium for 30 days for only $5, http://bit.ly/4mjtcE , Today only through Groupon

....my quick smells like french toast...

Twitter: @mstreeter06

by mstreeter06 on Jul 2, 2010 4:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Crap

“Ludwick has setback. Now likely headed for DL, says La Russa” Dgoold

I am the Batman .
@CodeeG

by CodyG on Jul 2, 2010 5:03 PM EDT reply actions  

poo

allen craig?

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jul 2, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

...why couldn't we just have called up Greene then?

Why option Salas too?

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jul 2, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

for want of another outfielder, i guess

pitching is good, bats are not, no need for 13 pitchers on the staff

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jul 2, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

FREE ALLEN CRAIG

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jul 2, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lineup I want with what we have(defense aside)

Jay RF
Felipe 2B
APU 1B
Holliday LF
Rasmus CF
Craig 3B
Molina C
Greene SS
P

that’s probably the best one we can make with these injuries.

I am the Batman .
@CodeeG

by CodyG on Jul 2, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that defense is actually really good, minus Craig

And Craig has average range at 3rd, just throws like a little girl apparently

Greene is just a tad worse than Boog at SS, which is saying something

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jul 2, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

really just at third

very strong in the outfield, the usual at first and catcher, decent at second

by DanUpBaby on Jul 2, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

what's so bad about it

the only one who wouldn’t be a plus defender is craig. and we don’t really know what we’re getting there

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jul 2, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

wow you codyg and danup all essentially said the same thing

I’m not big on TGreene. He’s a toolsy player who makes lot of mistakes. Buy you’re right, comparing him to chris duncan is a bit of a stretch

I saw at some point this preseason (can’t remember when/where, sorry) Allen Craig at 3B fielding bunts. It was funny in a sad way. Big lumbering slow guy takes forever to get the ball, then throws to first like a child. I could go without that.

by YesWeOquendo on Jul 2, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah,

i’ve heard he throws like a girl

greene, i think, is a plus, plus defender at SS. he could def handle 2B

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jul 2, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

when's the last time Craig even played 3B?

Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")

by STLRegalia on Jul 2, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Last year, right?

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jul 2, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

man fangraphs has like no info on him

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jul 2, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

So slightly below average

I know that UZR is broken down into range, arm, etc… I’d be interested to see where than -3 comes from

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jul 2, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

so yeah, not since last year

but he has played 246 games there in his minor league career – more than at any other position. his fielding percentage is a sweet .927

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jul 2, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol Africa?

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jul 2, 2010 5:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Goold reports that a new OF will be coming up tomorrow

ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLEN CRAIG?!

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jul 2, 2010 5:26 PM EDT reply actions  

him or Bombs, I would guess.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jul 2, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jay and Winn are pretty redundant, yeah?

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jul 2, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd think so.

My guess is either Bombs or Craig, possibly getting some time @ 3rd with Freese out as well.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jul 2, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

unless there's another 20 inning game

I don’t think Craig will ever play 3B for the St. Louis Cardinals. Maybe I’m wrong

Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")

by STLRegalia on Jul 2, 2010 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dunno

Winn can take a walk.

by DiscoJer on Jul 2, 2010 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

PLEASE CRAIG

I want the Walrus back...

by Paulspike on Jul 2, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Remember when I said that I would be pissed off

if Ludwick lands on the DL, after being left on the bench for 6 days? That it makes no sense to bench a player if you know his condition takes more time to heal? That you are just delaying the process? Well…. it happened. And I am pissed off. How about we recover all o ur injured players after the All Star break and start kicking some regressed ass?

I want the Walrus back...

by Paulspike on Jul 2, 2010 5:30 PM EDT reply actions  

When is the DL retroactive to?

babip giveth... and babip taketh away

by purple_haze on Jul 2, 2010 5:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

From Leach
The move will be retroactive to Saturday. Ludwick last played one week ago, on June 25 in Kansas City. He first suffered the injury on June 22 in Toronto. He would be eligible to come off the DL on July 11, the last day before the All-Star break.

by OCCardsFan on Jul 2, 2010 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

you are correct...
That it makes no sense to bench a player if you know his condition takes more time to heal?

But in this case they didn’t know it would take more time to heal.

by Evilfrog on Jul 2, 2010 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're saying like

the Cardinals (under LaRussa) don’t do this all the damn time.

by DiscoJer on Jul 2, 2010 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

you're saying like

all teams (under all managers) don’t do this all the damn time.

by Evilfrog on Jul 2, 2010 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

have we discussed the diamondbacks firing byrnes and hinch?

arizona fans are funny. like they come out of nowhere to suddenly start caring about this team

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jul 2, 2010 5:40 PM EDT reply actions  

How substantiated are the rumors that Byrnes was only fired for not firing Hinch?

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jul 2, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

What if the news came out that

Byrnes was fired after IT found VEB in his browsing history and ownership assumed he was contemplating the Haren for three crappy Cardinal prospects trades that were in yesterdays thread? Contemplating a couple of those deals should be enough to get you fired — or hired as an NBA GM.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jul 2, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why the fuck was ludwick on the treadmill.

Goold says he pumped it up too high on the treadmill? How does a trainer not advise him? Man I hppe this isn’t one of those seasons we r just waiting for evryone to get healthy n it never happens

by mick311 on Jul 2, 2010 5:52 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

"part of his rehab"

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jul 2, 2010 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

i've injuried myself pushing to hard before...

when you are competative it can be hard not to push yourself.

by Evilfrog on Jul 2, 2010 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

and it happens more as you age.

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by SleepyCA on Jul 3, 2010 3:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Too many MI already

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jul 2, 2010 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

he's no aaron miles when it comes to pitching

I don't give a fuck who you confuse me with.

by chalk on Jul 2, 2010 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

not as good as miles

*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 2, 2010 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Okay seriously, though

I would really like to get Tony and Mo in a room and ask why Aaron Miles is on this team and not Gotay.

by mojowo11 on Jul 2, 2010 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

they haven't played him at 2B at all in Memphis

if he’s a 3B, his value is a lot lower, and his MLE is still just a .706 OPS. but I’d like to see what he’s got. Surely can’t be worse than Miles, right?

Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers

by SleepyCA on Jul 3, 2010 3:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

i guess. goold on the radio tho said it may have been just luddy tryin to push it too hard but he doesnt know

Either way these injuries r pretty frusterating….pennys was suppose to be mild and his 2 week injury has turned into 2 months. Freese was day to day with the ankle and now is on the DL. Luddy was day to day n got brought back too soon now he got reinjured n is on the DL . I understand some of it is just bad luck but can any of this be attributed to poor injury recovery plans or bad decision making on the organization to bring guys back too soon?

by mick311 on Jul 2, 2010 6:14 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I choose "extreme optimism"

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jul 2, 2010 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

i figured it was mostly that too

At least with penny. But the way the whole ludwick thing was handled with him being on the bench and now goin on the DL sucks. Seems like they needed him badly n tried to bring him back too soon. Hopefully he doesn’t have another setback

by mick311 on Jul 2, 2010 6:20 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Don't forget about the reply option

It helps nest the comments nicely.

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by redbirdnation8206 on Jul 2, 2010 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hell Yeah!!! Sort of

  

The Cardinals recalled IF Tyler Greene from Memphis today & he will get the start at 2B. Fernando Salas was optioned to the AAA club.

Nice run Salas

by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 2, 2010 6:29 PM EDT reply actions  

hello from 4pm

it is cause for celebration, though

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jul 2, 2010 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

well then

Did you hear that Elin is only getting $100M not the $750M reported before? Makes sense since that what was in the pre nup originally

by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 2, 2010 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh, right on

i did not hear that

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jul 2, 2010 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

let it die.

;)

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by il rosso on Jul 2, 2010 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really?

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jul 2, 2010 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

sweeeeeeet

*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 2, 2010 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

mother of god

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jul 2, 2010 7:22 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

Bacon AND melted cheese?

Oh, be still my heart. Which is what would happen, incidentally.

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by redbirdnation8206 on Jul 2, 2010 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just stepped off the wii fit

I think I gained five pounds looking at this

by DanUpBaby on Jul 2, 2010 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Step 7

Grab a book in two days to take the most drawn out painful bowel movement you’ve ever experienced.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jul 2, 2010 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol Mets lol Bobby Bonilla lol Steve Phillips

they opted out of his contract of $5.9 million and according to the terms of the buyout, are required to him approximately 1.19 million every year for 25 years

what the hell? Seriously Steve Phillips is got to be the dumbest GM of all time

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by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 2, 2010 7:39 PM EDT reply actions  

That has to be about the stupidest thing I have read in a while.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 2, 2010 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Economics, old chap

dollar today != dollar tomorrow.

by mojowo11 on Jul 2, 2010 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

True

But we’re not talking about a contract here, we’re talking about a buyout, and considering how little you know about 35 years from now, it would make sense to pay that money up front to buy him out.

It’s not too hard to see why their ownership group got gypped by a guy named Madoff (rhymes with Made-Off)

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jul 2, 2010 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

They missed a reason....

#6. That Bobby Bonilla would eat himself to death prior to 2010 and they’d be out of this contract.

Considering who we’re talking about, I don’t consider this to be a crazy idea.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jul 2, 2010 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

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