on deadline
by tom s. on Jul 17, 2010 8:00 AM EDT
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The cards are approaching the trade deadline with a few glaring areas of need.
As has been roundly discussed, the biggest factor is just getting what we have healthy.
Yesterday, colby rasmus showed up apparently in shape. Ludwick is allegedly close to ready (though in a heartening start, allen craig played RF for him last night). Freese - recovering from an injury that put a big fermata in the middle of a stunning rookie season - is supposedly still on the mend with predictions of seeing him at the end of the month.
Things are more dire in the rotation. Neither penny nor lohse have a timetable for return. Two out of every five days remains a bit of a baseball roller coaster. Hawksworth has shown some good signs of being the least bad of many options. Suppan has shown mostly why the brewers released him.
I will confess to being a bit disappointed that the cards did not make an internal move over the break. If ever there was a good chance to stretch boggs (who was capable if uninspiring last year) or kyle mclellan (who was the designee in spring training) out to start, the break was the chance to do it. The rise of salas and sanchez left us with the bullpen depth to try one of them out. Either boggs or k-mac would be better than suppan in the rotation.
in addition to needs in the rotation, there is a somewhat less keen need for assistance in the middle infield. my suspicion is that boog and skip will regress to their somewhat more productive norms.
the trade market is interesting but not really set for the cards' needs or assets. the cardinals have a tough spot - limited trade currency, minimal salary flexibility beyond this year (assuming signing pujols is on the club's agenda).
sheets has shown signs of serious regression (or injury) with a reduced K rate (6.55 k/9) and increased BB rate (3.28 bb/9). the net effect is that he looks like a fairly pedestrian pitcher (FIP 4.71, xFIP 4.42). now, a pedestrian pitcher would be a nice addition to the cards' rotation - it just means we'd have to get some kind of discount on his big salary or get him for a non-prospect. there's not much sign that he's likely to regress to his ordinary self soon - the only sign of seriously bad luck is a slightly elevated HR/FB rate - odd, in a pitcher's park like oakland. still, he is an okay pitcher now, and was a stellar pitcher before. he may rediscover his form later in the season.
brett myers is having a great year, with a great FIP - 3.79. his peripherals are actually not much different from sheets - k rate around 6, a better bb rate - 2.82 bb/9, etc. the big difference between the two this year has been the HR rate. myers is pushing an 8.9% HR/FB, which is low, but not preposterously low. in his last few years on the mound it has been terrible - last year he had a 23% HR/FB rate and has been over 14% since 2004. much of that may be citizens bank park, but his away splits have been bad for his whole career. his away HR/FB splits have been 12.9%, 28.2%, 17.2%, 3.1%, 13.9%, 14.8%, 13.9%, 14.3%, going in reverse chronological order. with the exception of one outlier year, he serves up homers, and there's no particular reason to think he's stopped this year for any reason other than luck. despite about a point difference in ERA, i'm not sure he's better than sheets.
ricky nolasco seems like a guy who's just been dead unlucky for a long time. with fine peripherals (1.79 bb/9!), he keeps running up third-tier ERAs. as long as that doesn't indicate a problem not captured by peripherals, his ERA anomalies will just make him a cheaper recruit. he would remain under team control through 2012. he seems like someone the marlins would not mind letting go, as he will get more expensive soon. i would like to see mo make the phones ring pretty hard down in florida.
some of the unsigned names that continue to pop up are unrealistic - washburn, pedro, smoltz, looper (blech!) are simply too long off the field to realistically come back to the mound. unless one of them comes forward to say that they've been secretly throwing in the basement, they will need a long workout to get ready.
in the middle infield, big names like stephen drew or even dan uggla don't seem like good candidates for the cards, much like oswalt wouldn't be. those names would take too much to land. kelly johnson could be interesting to watch, as a mark derosa type for a mid-summer acquisition. there's a fair amount of demand, but also some nice names out there.
the appeal to other teams in a trade with the cardinals would likely be in shedding salary, rather than getting a mother lode of prospects. the list of fungible items likely to be available on the cardinals club with some value to other clubs is short -- boggs, sanchez, salas, craig, anderson, maybe tyler greene or jon jay. i can't imagine that big-name players like shelby miller or most of the players on the major league club are actually available. most of the other prospects will not bring a major-league talent, though other players could be added to sweeten a pot.
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Ricky Nolasco is not a name I have heard pop up in the tradeosphere
But I would be ecstatic if we could pull off a buy-low acquisition like that. He still has years of team-control left, right?
Ben Sheets seems a lot closer to what we can get. We have the short term salary flexibility to take him on, allowing us to hopefully acquire his cheaply prospect-wise. He won’t be Elias ranked, so it won’t do the A’s any good to hold onto him for the rest of the season. I think the lack of leverage on the A’s end means he can be had at a reasonable price.
babip giveth... and babip taketh away
by purple_haze on Jul 17, 2010 8:18 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
if he could be had
for a type c / b prospect, that would be great. but it would really have to be a salary dump on the As part. unfortunately, i don’t completely trust our FO not to give away much more than that.
Joe Morgan: "I've always said that the purpose of a minor league system is to help the big league club."
by Oedipa Maas on Jul 17, 2010 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Billy Beane has fleeced us before
But it always seems to come down to this: us coveting some Athletic at the deadline and Billy stroking his imaginary fu man chu beard and petting his lap cat, wondering what further ways he can strip our minor league system bare.
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by purple_haze on Jul 17, 2010 10:28 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I am Bullish...
on Nolasco and Myers, but that’s about it – I think one of those would give us what Sheets would for moooch less. But would Houston really deal with us? Nolasco would be an excellent Middle-of-the-rotation guy, and he’s my first choice. We cud probably get someone like Jeremy Guthrie from the Orioles for not too moooch, and I think he would serve the same purpose for about the same price as Nolasco. The Marlins cud always use a good catching prospect, so I bet we cud dangle something like Anderson/Salas at them. The O’s cud use help everywhere, apart from the outfield, so maybe something like Craig (as a 1st baseman)/Boggs might interest them. Brett Cecil is probably beyond us as well, but I wonder if the Blue Jays might be willing to trade one of their starters. And of course there is the Jake Westbrook drum I’ve been beating for some time now. I dunno, I think there are a number of options out there in the fair-middling range, where Mo doesn’t have to either go dumper-diving for a re-tread or give up half the farm for a pricey #1 or 2 and adding significant payroll. But I hope he comes up with something soon – Garcia’s performance shows me just cow precarious our current rotation is at the mooment.
:=8/
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
I'm surprised there hasn't been more talk about Myers...
who I think would be a good fit for the expected price and what we’re looking for (assuming we want a wife-puncher).
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 17, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm with you on Jake Westbrook
Groundball pitcher, career ERA FIP xFIP of 4.34 4.20 4.04 respectively. FA after this season, won’t take too much to acquire, etc. etc.
I’d love to get Nolasco, but I think the price will be too high; even if we had the prospects, I’m not sure I’d want to pay it.
Could Colby Rasmus hit a ball so hard that even he couldn't catch it?
by Cardinals645 on Jul 17, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm ok with rotation
for now. Hawk is doing fine. Suppan will only get better with more outings under his belt. Lohse appears to be headed back. Problem is that they will need to keep throwing Garcia out there. I’d like to see Lohse come back and go to a rotaqtion where Garcia skips every other turn in the second half. I want him to give us 4-5 more good years.
If they need rotation help, I would rather go get a strong reliever and put Boggs in rotation.
Just win
i agree with you on boggs
but i think that the cards need to go after at least one starter. i can handle hawks or soup in the rotation while penny & lohse are still down, but not both.
by zoomzoomj88 on Jul 17, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Suppan will only get better with more outings under his belt.
I hope we don’t give him the opportunity to prove you wrong.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 17, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I'm guessing that he will only get worse
*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 17, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
like all pitchers, he hits a sudden peak at around age 35 or 36.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
by tom s. on Jul 17, 2010 11:44 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 3 recs
I want what he is smoking?
All kidding aside, what makes anyone think Suppan is going to get better? He is what he is: a washed up mlb starter.
I am pleasantly pleased, thankyouverymuch
by mattyfrommo on Jul 17, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
i firmly believe he will recapture some of that 2006 mojo
it’s only a matter of time.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 17, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Have you and Danny! been mulling things over?
I'm out of champagna. How about some 7-Up and Mad Dog 20/20?
by The Continental on Jul 17, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah we had a drink last night.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 17, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
You are not of age,
andI don’t think Danny! is either.
Did he make an appearance last night?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
many appearances
got banned and got revealed as an the most recent incarnation fo Grizzled Vet
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
who was a complete and total asshole
which sort of ruined the funniness of danny! for me.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 17, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
ooh...fun stuff
I always miss the good threads……Also Fox can suck it…..I’ve got to go find a bar with direct tv.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
you do not know this.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 17, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Greene looks to be settling in at SS
he had a couple of good hits last night but his most impressive swing came on the ball that he hit into RF. That ball was hit hard and illustrates his power. He is now hitting .286 and seems to be gaining confidence. Everyone questions his defense but he seems to be better or as good as some of the discussed options and that is the real problem in picking up a SS – there is no one available that is better than what they have.
If they want to add some pop to the line-up then it appears to me that they are going to have to do it at 2B because none of the available SS do it. Greene looks to have more power and a better bat than what is available. Additionally, if they upgrade at 2B then Lopez is out of the line-up leaving Rasmus as your leadoff man. That is not necessarily a bad thing but I am just not sure that they would want to do it in the middle of the year. Therefore, my guess is that they stand pat at SS and 2B and concentrate on picking up a pitcher.
Greene
certainly seems like a different player offensively since he came up again. Not nearly as many strikeouts as what I recall. However, for Tyler to continue to play shortstop, his defense must improve.
for Tyler to continue at SS
Boog must continue his abysmal offense. That’s all there is to it.
Joe Morgan: "I've always said that the purpose of a minor league system is to help the big league club."
by Oedipa Maas on Jul 17, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
If Greene keeps hitting .286 .344 .464, Boog is as good as gone
Greene is extremely unlikely to keep hitting that though.
Not afraid to nitpick
it's kind of sad
when all boog needs to do to justify playing him is hit something like .250/.300/.370 and he can’t put it up.
i still think he regresses to those numbers though if given adequate playing time. i still think it should be skippy/boog/lopez in there while freese is hurt.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 17, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
there has to be a point of equilibrium
where’s Tyler’s defensive ineptness outweighs Boog’s offense, yeah. But I don’t think tgreene’s so bad that he couldn’t go a ways down from that line and still be on the team. Boog’s at .190 /.257 /.281 for chrissakes.
Joe Morgan: "I've always said that the purpose of a minor league system is to help the big league club."
by Oedipa Maas on Jul 17, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
i thought greene was supposed to be a plus defender...almost as good as boog
what happened?
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
actually, I don't think greene is that bad
but I’m not sure what his projections are. He looks like an average or slightly below average SS to me, which isn’t awful in the least. He just isn’t Boog, which would be the optimal option on a Duncan staff. Unfortunately, Boog’s been so bad this year he really isn’t the optimal option anymore.
Joe Morgan: "I've always said that the purpose of a minor league system is to help the big league club."
I was expecting him to be
haven’t been happy with that since ST.
now that I’ve learned he’s put on more weight (muscles. hitchhikers need them), maybe it’s a product of resetting his kinesthesia with the new rippin’ bod. or whatever the kids say.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
i don't agree with this
greene’s defense is close to ryan’s so if greene is pulling off his current line…. brendan ryan needs to pull off .250/.300 at least (that’s pretty absymal, but i don’t see him topping this right there)
Rasmus can hit lefties
cardinalred
St. Louis Sports blog
by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 17, 2010 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Am I the only who noticed the strange font change after the first sentence/paragraph?
'Why are you 40 with highlights?' - Scott Rolen during interview with Kevin Millar
Not that it matter of course.
'Why are you 40 with highlights?' - Scott Rolen during interview with Kevin Millar
look at the post. now look away. now look at it again.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 17, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Now look at Jordan Swaggerty. Back to VEB.
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.
by TBender on Jul 17, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
nope
i noticed right away. f’n zoomzoom
by zoomzoomj88 on Jul 17, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I saw that
*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 17, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
this post got SBN'd big time
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
I had similar things happen with my projections revisited post I think
*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 17, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
yesterday was weird
The announcers did
note that pigs were flying in Boston!
by cardsgirl95 on Jul 17, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
The Cards/Dodgers game tonight is being scouted by the Tokyo Giants
My prediction: Albert Pujols goes to Tokyo in 2012 and proceeds to hit 90 home runs a year. Albert will become the most popular name for for Japanese boys.
babip giveth... and babip taketh away
by purple_haze on Jul 17, 2010 10:38 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
they saw Carpenter talking to Kuroda and hopped on a plane!
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 17, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
They will struggle to pronounce it though
Thousands of families will have hilarious scenes just like in The Last Samurai:
“Algren.”
“Arugaren?”
“No, All-gren!”
“A-ru-gah-ren!”
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
actually I've noticed the current generation of Japanese adults
can pronounce the L very well. all that American TV.
though these days I’m not sure what American TV they’re into. probably Lost….
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Prison Break is big in Japan and Korea
and of course with Daniel Dae Kim and Yunjin Kim on Lost there is surely a Korean following.
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
that's probably it.
I knew there was some show I don’t watch that got big play.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
One problem with Brett Myers.
He’s with Houston.
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.
I would like myers but he has a 8 million option for next year or a 2 million buyout.
I don’t think the cards would pick him up for 8million next year so that 2 million could cancel out his affordability for the remainder of this year.
DGood said yesterday that the cards were interested in kerry wood and that they still don’t trust franklin. I don’t really understand why, I don’t really see the bullpen as one of our priorities. Plus doesn’t Wood have a huge contract this year?
by mick311 on Jul 17, 2010 11:14 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
goold*....he was saying wood would be our setup guy
My only guess is that the indians would be willing to give him up for next to nothing bc of his contract and that’s the kind of deal mo has been taking about. Maybe they think if Wood joins the bullpen that would give Kmac or Boggs a shot in the rotation. THAT’S the only way I see it making sense.
by mick311 on Jul 17, 2010 11:20 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i positively hate this idea.
Do not overpay for a reliever should be written somewhere prominently in all GM offices.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
by tom s. on Jul 17, 2010 11:54 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
they put it on Ed Wade's forehead
so he can’t read it.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 17, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
agreed
Joe Morgan: "I've always said that the purpose of a minor league system is to help the big league club."
by Oedipa Maas on Jul 17, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know much about Nolasco
but you have made a good case for trading for him. Myers is in the division and I’m not sure they are even considering the guy. Sheets would be nice, but I hope they enter any potential talks to trade for him very cautiously.
what do you think it would take to land Nolasco in a trade?
*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 17, 2010 11:39 AM EDT reply actions
not sure exactly. he does have a season and a half
Of some bad ERAs (5+ last year and 4.50 or so this year). I don’t know to what extent GM’s are still tricked by bad luck (assuming that’s what he’s had). Even so, he’s young and cost-controlled – I’d start at craig and anderson and a good reliever.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
by tom s. on Jul 17, 2010 11:51 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think I'd do that trade
3.35 FIP last season, this season he’s under 4 still. why not? I don’t see Anderson being any more than a trade chip, Craig is a nice player but I think he’s probably blocked here. depends on what reliever it is I guess, might have to part with Salas since he’s been in the majors and has shown that he can get outs.
*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 17, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I would do that deal in a heartbeat.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jul 19, 2010 6:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Random local player factoid and trivia:
I was playing my MLB 2010: The Show and I was surprised to find Josh Thole as the starting catcher for the Mets in 2012. I was like…wait a second here, I played against a Josh Thole in my senior year of high school, in fact, he picked my ass off of second base. The guy had a frickin’ cannon. To my amazement, he had already been called up last year and got a base hit. I must have been out of the loop about local September callups last year.
How the hell did I not know about this?! Argh!
'Why are you 40 with highlights?' - Scott Rolen during interview with Kevin Millar
Hes been up this year and has done some damage against some teams, weird image alert.
'Why are you 40 with highlights?' - Scott Rolen during interview with Kevin Millar
10-20 actually, but hes blocked by Rod Barajas and .... Henry Blanco?
Mets are carrying 3 catchers….hmmm….
'Why are you 40 with highlights?' - Scott Rolen during interview with Kevin Millar
admittedly, i'm having trouble adjusting to the font in this post
though i’d like to see someone give comic sans a try.
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jul 17, 2010 12:15 PM EDT reply actions
ewh
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 17, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Dan Gilbert likes Comic Sans
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
I hear Hitler wrote all his memos in the Fuhrerbunker in Comic Sans.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jul 19, 2010 6:19 AM EDT up reply actions
WOW.
just wow. that’s a pretty, um, interesting choice there by FOX. though i think people blame big FOX for the wrong reasons sometimes. it’s just as likely your affiliate is being retarded about the choice as much as the network is.
feel free to call me out on this, btw. i honestly don’t know if affiliates get any say in the matter.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 17, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
that would be my guess too
but seriously, who the fuck wants to watch yankees-rays in central wisconsin. i realize it’s not exactly cardinals territory, but it’s definitely more nl central or even just nl territory then al east territory.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 17, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
but the yanks
are america’s team!
Joe Morgan: "I've always said that the purpose of a minor league system is to help the big league club."
by Oedipa Maas on Jul 17, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
i hate that term.
namely because i HATE all teams that a lot of america likes. i hate the yankees in baseball, i hate the cowboys in football, i hate all things notre dame, i hate the red wings in hockey, and i hate the knicks in basketball. though i do like the lakers.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 17, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
You're joking, but it's true.
More people, from all regions of the country, watch Yankees games than watch any other team’s games. It’s just a fact. This has been proven over and over in ratings showings.
It’s not retarded, it’s called good business for your advertisers and your viewers.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 17, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
puke--you honestly just said this
i know you’re talking in general, but if you’re focusing on central wisconsin, this just isn’t true. guayzimi can back me up i’m sure, but if you honestly think more people there will watch nyy-tb today then would watch stl-lad, then you’re wrong.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 17, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd be willing to bet WMT is right
Stations only care about ratings and they’re less likely to fuck up when it comes to what has the higher ratings.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
well, opinions are like a-holes.
since i’m pretty sure the tv network is looking at the ratings data and you’re not, and since every other ratings study i’ve seen shows that regional coverage of the yankees beats every other team’s games across all regions, I don’t think I’m wrong. doubtful the tv network is deliberately making a choice to lose money by showing a game with worse expected ratings.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 17, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I hate Fox, ESPN, and most other media outlets...
not because they cover what draws the biggest rating, but because they spend so much time and effort molding what people think/like/care about etc… Once they create the demand, they move in and supply the product.
Fire La Russa!
I just think it's the opposite
ESPN/Fox didn’t create people’s desire to watch the Yankees, or Tiger Woods, or Brett Favre. They show this stuff, ad infinitum, because more people want to watch those topics than others.
And why not? People watch the Yankees because they have the most history, have won the most titles, are the reigning champions, have the most stars (Jeter, ARod, etc.), play in the biggest market, etc. It’s not hard to understand why they generate the most eyeballs.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 17, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I think there should def be a pie chart
I think for the most part main stream media (epsn, mtv, etc) show what most people like, however, them blowing it up brings in more stragglers…
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
population density is part of it.
But also people want to associate themselves with a winner and when you spend like the yankees you have to work at not being a winner.
"I told myself from the very beginning: 'If he's going to throw a shutout, then he's going to tie,'" Wainwright said. "He was not going to beat me today."
actually studies have shown most people prefer the
underdogs…it’s part of that what we view is fair…and why a lot of people are obsessed with Grit and Hustle.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
If I wanted to root for an underdog
I would be rooting for the Royals.
"I told myself from the very beginning: 'If he's going to throw a shutout, then he's going to tie,'" Wainwright said. "He was not going to beat me today."
I dunno...
if you look at history, preferences were far more regional than they are now. ESPN has a huge incentive to create demand for whatever they can economically produce, ie a few big “national” stories that will suck up vast stretches of time. Sending out actual journalists to cover real sports events in multiple locations around the country is expensive.
Fire La Russa!
also see WGN and TBS.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
That's the thing...
it totally ignores the fact that this is NL territory and STL is not very far away. People living on the ridges around here used to listen to games on KMOX at night. I suppose those days are long gone…
Fire La Russa!
the loss of kmox really shrunk cardinals nation
at least in the future. i assume people who were already fans will continue to stay fans of the team.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 17, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
you honestly think that radio will have any significant roll in the future?
seems hard to believe that the cardinals are missing out on new fans from the radio
by brackenthebox on Jul 17, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
they need a superstation
to carry games nationally.
Joe Morgan: "I've always said that the purpose of a minor league system is to help the big league club."
when everyone moves to the bunkers during the apocalypse....
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
we almost always get the AL game in phoenix...a city WITH A NATIONAL LEAGUE TEAM
its BS. the only reason we’re getting an NL game today is because the Dodgers.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
We have Rays-Yanks
on Fox 28 (South Bend) as well. Go figure.
by cardsgirl95 on Jul 17, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
oh wow
now that’s just wrong.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 17, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
hey!
another cards fan from The Bend! how did you escape the cubbie evil?
Joe Morgan: "I've always said that the purpose of a minor league system is to help the big league club."
by Oedipa Maas on Jul 17, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually I live in Michigan,
just north of the border. And I brought my Cardinal fandom with me, I was born in Central Illinois.
i inherited it
grandparents & parents were from sikeston / new madrid area and dezark. I live in DC now and have run into more cards fans here than in michiana… it’s almost all pure cubbie brain wash, or it was.
Joe Morgan: "I've always said that the purpose of a minor league system is to help the big league club."
No.
Michiana (I saw you used our regional name, so I knew you really were a local) is still a Cubbie stronghold.
I live on the west coast and we have Yanks - Rays.
Barf. Well, not quite since the Rays are cool, but still…it’s going to be all Steinbrenner, all the time.
by mattisnotfrench on Jul 17, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
the fuck? the west coast should be getting the dodgers. THEY ARE ON THE WEST COAST
i’m getting too angry about this. i should just be glad phoenix gets STL-LA today
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
Yeah. There's tons of Dodger fans around here.
Tons of Cards fans too. Not that it matters.
(I’m in Portland, Oregon)
by mattisnotfrench on Jul 17, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
i have family who lives around there
mom leaves tomorrow for oregon. her family’s out there. beautiful country. went last year for first time in a few years.
i was in portland last weekend actually
went to high school in beaverton, all my family is still there. it was freaking 100 degrees last weekend! i was looking for a break from phoenix…
i guess portland gets the AL b/c technically they are in mariner’s territory.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
yes, even on the west coast, the yanks outdraw other teams.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 17, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
and in almost all outside the united states
the only 2 american sports teams people can name are the Celtics and the Yankees.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
The Celtics, really?
In my experience it’s more likely to be the Yankees and Lakers, and maybe also the Red Sox.
אנא טוני לא יותר ט.א.ס.ס
*shrugs* just what i've heard on several occasions
I figured it’d be lakers too.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
says who?
i highly doubt you’re looking at raw ratings data either.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 17, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
OUCH.
you should have the dodgers-cards since you live on the west coast, or if not at least a west coast game.
I'm heading to the bar...
hoping beyond hope that they are carrying FOXW. But probably not.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
the two best teams in baseball (who happen to be from the same division) are playing each other
and you’re surprised they’re showing the game?
by brackenthebox on Jul 17, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't get the Kelly Johnson love
He is at best an averagish fielder whose entire offensive value comes from his ridiculous success at the number one hitter’s park in baseball. His wOBA of .452 at home is complete with a .368 BABIP whle he wOBAs .307 on the road. He is no better than what we have.
Carry the battle to them. Don't let them bring it to you. Put them on the defensive and don't ever apologize for anything.
I remember in 2008 I think it was people really liked him as a prospect
*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 17, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Do Nothing
The old sailor from Master and Commander had the right idea. HOLD FAST. Even with injured pieces, the Cards have enough – just enough – to reach the post season. By then, it won’t matter if we’re missing a healthy Penny or Lohse. We circulate three pitchers in each series. Wainwright, Carpenter and Garcia will collect virtually all of the innings if things go well. History has proven a team with three starters (especially two great ones) do fine in October.
So relax folks. We don’t need to win 95 games. We just need to win one more game than the Redlegs.
I always dislike this kind of logic
this team has to potential to be very, very good. Why do people think it is better to sneak into the playoffs than to go in playing dominant baseball?
I am pleasantly pleased, thankyouverymuch
ZOMG 2006!!!!!!1!!!1!!
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 17, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
for one thing, playing hot in September has rather marked benefits in October.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
that may be true
but just because you eek past a division opponent, that doesn’t mean you are playing hot in September
I am pleasantly pleased, thankyouverymuch
yes. I was agreeing with you in a general sense.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I would say it's about not wasting resources to get into the playoffs. If you have a very high (warning: made up word incoming) "playoff expectancy", as the playoffs are so random, it may not make sense to waste prospects to just win the division by more
"I told you, I don't like to be manhandled!"
i agree with this. the playoffs are such a wash that it's probably not worth trading away a bunch of talent that can help out down the road for a marginal upgrade in the postseason. a holliday or a cliff lee are one thing and we do need a starting pitcher
(i guess that’s as long as i can make the title) but i’m just not convinced that kelly johnson or stephen drew are big enough upgrades over what we have to warrant losing talent over
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
i was wondering if there was a limit on how big the title text could be. looks like yours was only a few characters bigger than mine.
The question I have is if only one of Penny/Lohse return do we still need to acquire a starter?
"I told you, I don't like to be manhandled!"
I tend to agree with that
just because we don’t have too many options
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 17, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
sadly, couldn't find any PBS
(people find him hot? sorry… i don’t get it.)
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
He's not my favorite
but I don’t hate him. I happen to like this movie, a LOT, but I’ve read all 20 books in the series, and begn re-reading them again a few weeks ago. He’s very good in some films, like this one, and L.A. Confidential, and A Beautiful Mind. But that last one I saw for Jennifer Connelly, one of the most gorgeous women on earth.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jul 18, 2010 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions
OT: my wife (not a baseball fan and knows nothing about it)
frequently shares whatever she happens to be reading and this morning read an excerpt from roger ebert’s blog:
On the other hand, I have never shown this city to a visitor who did not respond emotionally to the sight of the Wrigley Building and Tribune Tower, facing each other across Michigan Avenue. The Wrigley, which Frank Lloyd Wright said “illustrates the principle that an ugly building by day, if illuminated, will be ugly by night as well.”
i got a laugh and thought you would as well.
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jul 17, 2010 1:36 PM EDT reply actions
That's so wrong
The Wrigley Building and The Tribune Tower are two of the most beautiful buildings in Chicago…but I’m a sucker for Gothic architecture.
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
i would freaking love nolasco
dude has been a 4 WAR pitcher the last years. dunno how realistic it is
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
Watching the cubs on mlb.tv
everytime they say “Geo” i want to punch a baby.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
lineup
Lopez 3b, Rasmus CF, Pujols 1b, Holliday LF, Jay RF, Molina C, Schumaker 2b, Wainwright P, Greene SS
the smelling salts are next to the towels.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
if craig could play 3rd or SS
that would be nice.
by zoomzoomj88 on Jul 17, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
really?
*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 17, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
i...i can't complain. i don't understand. we...won...the first two games, didn't we? i'm at a loss.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
if we win today
i wonder if the old ‘we can’t win the last game of the series’ is gonna kick in. with our BP pitcher soup on the hill, i wouldn’t like our chances anyway.
okay. whew i thought TLR was going sane for a minute.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
Waino said he's gonna debut his lincecum changeup today....
I’ll say this in the game thread too just due to awesomeness
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
For some reason I have been able to watch the Cubs/Phillie game today
Not part of my cable package but at least something to do while folding laundry. It really puts things into perspectives and makes me doubly glad I was born a Cards fan.
The announcers are just so happy Aramas Rameriz has his average up to .220! That is so sad. They hope the Cubs can win a bunch of ball games. They latch onto the littlest thing to be happy about.
BTW Halladay is pitching on Sunday so he won’t be pitching against Cards.
"I told myself from the very beginning: 'If he's going to throw a shutout, then he's going to tie,'" Wainwright said. "He was not going to beat me today."
to be fair
we would be happy if boog got his average up to .220.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 17, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
to be fairer, boog isn't one of our top offensive players
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
yes i know
i’m just saying that if someone if playing shitty you aim after small steps.
and you heart boog, so at least he’s got that going for him.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 17, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Hank Aaron award winner Aramis Ramirez
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
ATTN
MLBSTLCardinals (St. Louis Cardinals)
Lohse just threw fr the mound and sd “50 pitches, all my pitches and it felt great”
1 minute ago from Twitter for BlackBerry®
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
you know, that's like like hearing that we traded for another starter
Joe Morgan: "I've always said that the purpose of a minor league system is to help the big league club."
or almost is
Joe Morgan: "I've always said that the purpose of a minor league system is to help the big league club."
"You know, Al ..."
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Jul 17, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
your mom looks good today
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 17, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
you win.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 17, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
stephen drew could be had
And we wouldn’t have to give up miller. One of sanchez/salas, one of craig/jay, and one of greene/ryan would do it.
by rumors on Jul 17, 2010 3:26 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
those are merely rumors
babip giveth... and babip taketh away
by purple_haze on Jul 17, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
heh
@BJRains Several players were fighting in the clubhouse today over who gets to catch Anna Kournikova’s first pitch.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
the man stew is bubbling over!
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
i love this team.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 17, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
The real skill will be to see who gets to pitch to Anna
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Jul 17, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Brendan Ryan won.
in case anyone was wondering.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
The Orioles are going to whiff on Manny Machado
that’s gotta hurt. They’ll never turn into the Rays at this rate.
babip giveth... and babip taketh away
via
Wait… maybe that means that they won’t sign him until the deadline. It’s a little vague.
babip giveth... and babip taketh away
Just till the deadline
Which is no surprise. I still don’t have a clue why they put the deadline August 1st. They still can’t really do draft and follow, why not make it July 1st so they could get these guys playing? They can’t figure out contracts with 30 guys in 4 weeks?
Not afraid to nitpick
pretty sure
maybe the 15th? it’s not the 1st
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Jul 17, 2010 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
GMs have to do trade deadline stuff too, so I guess they're given plenty of time to get these deals done
Plus, this is a big life decision for the draftees
babip giveth... and babip taketh away
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