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The opposite of shell-shock

ST. LOUIS - JULY 15: Matt Holliday #7 of the St. Louis Cardinals looks on from the dugout against the Los Angeles Dodgers at Busch Stadium on July 15 2010 in St. Louis Missouri.  His helmet has not been pushed all the way down onto his head connector.

Chris Carpenter didn't gain velocity, he didn't regain perfect command of his curveball—though it was better—and his cutter didn't become the cruise-control outmaker it was in 2009. But sometimes, in this PitchF/X, pitch-by-pitch, maybe-we-were-wrong-about-Ben-Grieve world of modern sabermetrics it might be helpful to take the old strong-DIPS position on pitcher performance: Chris Carpenter wasn't as bad in those two losses as he looked, and the main issue might-just-might have been a .486 BABIP.

On balls in play in Carpenter's first two starts in July opposing hitters did their best "Long Levi" Meyerle impression. They hit a ton of line drives while they were at it—35%, against a seasonal average of under 20%—but that's not something that's going to keep happening if you remain convinced that Chris Carpenter is a Major League pitcher, specifically a Major League pitcher not living in 1871, when Levi Meyerle's BABIP was indeed .480. 

So yesterday Carpenter allowed four hits, including a home run, in 30 at-bats. That was pleasant, and shouldn't have come as so much of a shock as it did to me. 2009 was perhaps the last post-surgical gasp of Cy Young caliber Chris Carpenter, though we don't know that yet. But nobody said he had to decline all at once. 

On a vaguely related but untimely note—if I were Joe Posnanski this would be coming after an asterisk—how's this for pitchers' intuitive understanding of the luck of balls in play? Carpenter got shelled for two consecutive starts, badly enough that it seemed fair to wonder if his forearm problems would make him the second 2010 Cardinal out of every pitcher in the history of baseball to suffer from extreme compartmentalization syndrome, and most of it was on balls in play. Everything he threw in the zone came back for a line drive. And in his next start he threw 70 strikes in 101 pitches, which looks something like this:

Location-1

I'd swear Dave Duncan must have a VEB username; his gameplan for Carpenter appears to have read "Throw it right at their stupid bats, regress the crap out of them."

Star-divide

I'm a bit pressed for time this morning, but other game notes: 

 

  • I was really excited about the bullpen version of Mitchell Boggs heading into this year, but to this point he's exceeded any reasonable expectations. He came into this season with a career K:BB ratio of 59 to 54; this year it's 29 to 13. His groundball rate is holding near his career rates, at 54.7%. His average fastball velocity is as impressive as we imagined it would be with a full season in the pen; at 95.9 miles per hour it's nearly tied with Jason Motte's, and Boggs's comes tethered to a slider that has sat at 86.9. 
  • George Sherrill, who threw two thirds of an inning for the Dodgers last night, is apparently on irrevocable waivers as we speak. He's been terrible this year—11 strikeouts against 16 walks, 20 innings in 35 games pitched—but that was a convenient object lesson on the nature of freely available bullpen talent. I don't think I'm worried enough about the bullpen to suggest the Cardinals call the Dodgers' bluff, although Dennys Reyes at his worst was nearly as infuriating as Sherrill must be. 
  • If Aaron Miles's 2-3 nights continue to look like that while Brendan Ryan's 0-4 night continue to look like that Miles might be the most infuriating .342 hitting second baseman in the history of baseball. 

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I gotta say, I never liked watching Boggs

but this year I saw him live, from the good seats (people were leaving), and I was riveted. it was pretty damn cool.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 16, 2010 7:35 AM EDT reply actions  

He was really fun to watch live last night.

Hit 99 once or twice too.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Jul 16, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've always thought he was fun to watch

*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 16, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

and if Salas and Sanchez do the same. . .

moar towels will be needed

"They're so stunned they didn't even boo!"
John Rooney 5/3/10 referring to Philly fans on Cards 5-run 7th inning

by gocards62 on Jul 16, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lots of towels

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Jul 16, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

he was not fun to watch when his best pitches would be followed by

“Okay, how will he eff up the next pitch?”

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 16, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

he's been a work in progress much like Motte

except he was converted to a reliever from a starter is the main difference. and Boggs has more pitches. the control issues were annoying I admit, hopefully he has put that behind him. I like his K:BB ratio this year A LOT

*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 16, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

also: AVENGE!

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 16, 2010 7:35 AM EDT reply actions  

AVENGE!

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jul 16, 2010 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

cool, the fire-sticks guy at the Great Basin made it into the SC montage.

we should go to Forest Park on game days, find Tony(?) the cameraguy and do something VEBish. like a flashmob.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 16, 2010 8:03 AM EDT reply actions  

Today is gonna be a youtube baseball movie day at work...

starting with…Brewsters Millions. Richard Prior + John Candy = Waino + Yadi?

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Jul 16, 2010 8:45 AM EDT reply actions  

that fucking train in the outfield cracks me up everytime.

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Jul 16, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

So that's where they got the idea for Minute Maid Park!

Cardinals Baseball 2010: Why have only one 25th man when you can have four?

by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Jul 16, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Waino

would know how to spend Brewsters Millions.

Luggage for Carp.

Repeal The LaRussa Tax.

by Michael_68_1999 on Jul 16, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

He's a method pitcher

Needs to prepare for the role.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Jul 16, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Wonderful comment.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jul 16, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

here's Allen Craig

found? (video)

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 16, 2010 8:48 AM EDT reply actions  

nice comment by Josh Johnson

about Yadi he’s second in the video

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 16, 2010 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

we've been lax on the mix tapes lately.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 16, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Okay 'fess up

Where do you come up with factoids like this "Long Levi? thing? Hahah.

by sdrone on Jul 16, 2010 8:59 AM EDT reply actions  

I love the National Association

I sponsored Ross Barnes’s page for a year or two.

by DanUpBaby on Jul 16, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

But apparently not O'Rourke or Cherokee Fisher?

How could you go with such a boring name, with so many exciting options?

אנא טוני לא יותר ט.א.ס.ס

by chalk on Jul 16, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seems like Sherrill's been a tad unlucky

But he’s not getting lefties out (or anyone else for that matter), and his fastball velocity is down about 2 mph from last season (90.1 >> 88.3). That’s probably why his walks have skyrocketed: he’s trying to nibble the corners a lot more because he’s lost velocity and confidence in his fastball, and that makes his slider ineffective since guys won’t swing over the top of it anymore. He never threw it for a strike much anyway, and now that it’s not an out pitch it’s pretty much useless.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jul 16, 2010 9:14 AM EDT reply actions  

I would have said pick him up,

before he turned into the left-handed JJ Putz

I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons

by hazel on Jul 16, 2010 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

I hope I'm misreading this comment...

Because if you’re dissing jj putz that is the most absurd thing I’ve heard as he’s been one of the best set up men in baseball this year. And if he were a lefty he’d just be absurd.

by lopey986 on Jul 16, 2010 10:19 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I would gladly take a left-handed JJ Putz.

I’m assuming you’re referencing the 2009 injury-plagued JJ Putz otherwise known as the season in which his last name was quite appropriate.

"When I gave up a grand slam to Pete LaCock," Bob Gibson said later, "I knew it was time to quit."

by The Classical on Jul 16, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I was referencing 2009 Putzy-putz.

Not Joakim Mariano Putz from 2010. I guess maybe I should have said Blaine Boyer or something.

I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons

by hazel on Jul 16, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

I HOPE YOU'RE NOT REFERING TO THE BLAINE BOYER!!!

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Jul 16, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

He's also been extraordinarily LUCKY for about 3 straight years

he’s a competent LOOGY who isn’t appalling against righties who is suddenly a closer/set-up guy because he piled up lots of lucky saves in an abysmal Baltimore bullpen. I’d say he can’t really complain about his luck, especially as it’s made him several million dollars on his current deal.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jul 16, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

To be fair, he hasn't been lucky for three years straight - he's been lucky every odd-numbered year, sort of

2004 .293 babip
2005 .253 babip but 54 lob% and 18% hr/fb
2006 .298 babip but 0% hr/fb
2007 .248 babip
2008 .307 babip
2009 .268 babip
2010 .373 babip

אנא טוני לא יותר ט.א.ס.ס

by chalk on Jul 16, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Speaking of starting pitchers

Has anyone heard how Lohse’s bullpen session went?

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He's normally a nuclear physicist
Except when writing for this list.

by StanTheManFan on Jul 16, 2010 9:19 AM EDT reply actions  

Painfully

probably.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jul 16, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

it's not until tomorrow.

Mo said on 590 this morning that if all goes well, he’ll go on a regular throwing program, like spring training.

by mel1975 on Jul 16, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Is Colby suffering from a nagging injury?

Or was it simply TLR’s genius that led to Winn pinch-hitting for him?

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jul 16, 2010 9:24 AM EDT reply actions  

LHP back in the game

plus game out of reach (aargh — never say that with our bullpen), Raz maybe still a little sore, etc. Truthfully, I was surprised to see Pujols out there in the 9th. Thought Molina would move to 1B and LaRue to C.

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He's normally a nuclear physicist
Except when writing for this list.

by StanTheManFan on Jul 16, 2010 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rockies Hangover

So, you start Raz against Kershaw, but take him out later in the game because a lefty pitcher is in? I thought he looked pretty good against the starting lefty, and his D is way better than Winn. I was scared to death that the last out was going to bounce off Winn’s frying pan glove and end up in the seats. I suspect the other starters stayed in the game just to be sure we did not repeat the Colorado nightmare.

SD

by Gibby45 on Jul 16, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

HR Derby D

Somehow, watching Winn and Manny in the outfield reminded me of the outfield play during the home run derby. Maybe Manny and Winn could play 500 with all those kids wandering about and trying to catch a ball while not getting killed in the process.

SD

by Gibby45 on Jul 16, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

They were up by 6 and he has a sorta nagging injury

If they can’t hold on to a 6 run lead with a ever so slightly worse defensive CFer, then they deserve to lose out on the playoffs.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jul 16, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Colorado?

"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"

by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jul 16, 2010 12:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

But I agree with you.

Even though seeing that second loss in person was a sucker-punch.

Regression, bitches.

by spants on Jul 16, 2010 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think he was just trying to give colby a break, since he was hurt before the break, and since we were up by 6 runs late in the game.

and it was a good time to get Winn an AB. i didn’t have a problem with it. my guess is if the game were 3-2 or something, colby would have stayed in.

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jul 16, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't understand why Jay did not play center field.

For defensive purposes, he is far superior to Winn. Frankly, I don’t think Winn is any longer capable of defending center field, due to his heavy-legged old age. He looks terrible out there. I don’t really care if TLR wants to give the starters a bit of a breather once the game is seemingly out of reach, but can he at least put the best run prevention defense out there when he does so?

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jul 16, 2010 9:32 AM EDT reply actions  

Reply fail.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jul 16, 2010 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Winn is probably close to Jay on defense,

and he seems above average to my eye. He’s just one of our worst hitters on any given night.

I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons

by hazel on Jul 16, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

He is possibly a +10 CFer, who is more likely a +10 corner OFer.

Winn is probably still above average since he has been more than +10 in the OF in three seasons out of the last five, and because most of his defensive value has come in the last few seasons, so it is probably not just based on speed in a way that could crush his entire value in one season. The difference between the two on defense is probably around five runs over a season.

Meanwhile, even as a switch hitter, Winn is awful against lefties, and Jay was an above average hitter in the minors. If he is average in the majors his hitting value far surpasses Winn’s combination of Brendan Ryan’s frenetic batting style, Aaron Miles’s power, and Dan Uggla’s plate discipline and contact skills.

Jay should be playing over Winn for lots of reasons, i guess.

I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons

by hazel on Jul 16, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Winn's CF UZR has been bad in '06, '07, '08, and '09.

Now I don’t really put much stock in it, but I have to think that the manager, who watches him daily, likely noticed his falloff with age and that is why his innings played in CF fell off. It might also be why the Giants went out an signed a CFer. Winn is old and probably shouldn’t be in center field much at all these days.

Let me also say that I greatly enjoyed this:

If he is average in the majors his hitting value far surpasses Winn’s combination of Brendan Ryan’s frenetic batting style, Aaron Miles’s power, and Dan Uggla’s plate discipline and contact skills.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jul 16, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jay > Winn in CF

*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 16, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

i dunno about all that

i know i haven’t seen him enough to draw that kind of conclusion

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jul 16, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

What's up with Colby?

He seems to have missed a few games lately. Is he hurt?

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jul 16, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

He's got TLRitis.

I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons

by hazel on Jul 16, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

sore hammy.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jul 16, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Random caption for that picture:

‘I CAN HAZ CHEEZEBURGER?!’

'Why are you 40 with highlights?' - Scott Rolen on Kevin Millar

by Heisenberg on Jul 16, 2010 9:52 AM EDT reply actions  

2005 just called.

It wants its meme back.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jul 16, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions   4 recs

heh

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jul 16, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

ha I haven't heard that one in a long time

I laughed so hard I fell off my dinosaur.

I am the Batman .
@CodeeG

by CodyG on Jul 16, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

You've got fail!

See what I did there?

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Jul 16, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

but is it organic?

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 16, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've always thought he's such a weird lookin' feller...

“weird” as in prolly has somebody chopped up in ziplock bags weird. he looks like his happy meal is short a fry or two.

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Jul 16, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

i actually always thought

that he’s quite the good-looking guy when he wears some kind of a hat
when he doesn’t he reminds me of billy cogan. i hate billy cogan

by d-dee on Jul 16, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

My wife says that Matt Holliday is dreamy

Other dreamy Cardinals: Wainwright, Garcia, Schumaker, Lopez*

*Only when his face is at the right angle.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Jul 16, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

you're too late

word is GDM wants to have his babies

by d-dee on Jul 16, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

but with gdm's luck...

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 16, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

He'll just have kittens?

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 16, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

back off, asshole

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jul 16, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

will this be a borg fight?

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 16, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

heh, i feel the angle thing with freese

tell her to watch him carefully when he comes back. there are some dreamy angles in there.

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jul 16, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree completely

I always knew Freese had some dreamy in him. In fact I’ve probably told you or some other female VEBer the same thing before. Deja Vu all over again.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Jul 16, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

he's bruce wayne.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 16, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

There are a few guys in the world who don't suit NOT wearing a hat

I always think it’s kinda weird.

Matty Ho is definitely one. Ex-England cricket captain Nasser Hussain is another IMO:

Probably my favourite example of such weirdness is Italy and ex-Chelsea footballer Gianluca Vialli, who, remarkably, seems not to suit having hair on his head. Always looked pretty suave and kinda rough in a good way with a shaven head, but utterly ridiculous with his top-heavy hairdo.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jul 16, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Your opinion of the current captain?


אנא טוני לא יותר ט.א.ס.ס

by chalk on Jul 16, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

he's allright looking...he just has these fucked up facial expressions

that reek of he likes his women like he likes his coffee….ground up in the freezer…

(It puts the lotion on its skin)

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Jul 16, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Is it possible...

that there is a broken head connector clause in his contract that I was not aware of? Also, I believe his hand-claw is malfunctioning given his blooper in the All-Star game.

If his leg hinges start to go, we’re truly fucked.

"When I gave up a grand slam to Pete LaCock," Bob Gibson said later, "I knew it was time to quit."

by The Classical on Jul 16, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Look here.

Left side, click Replacement Parts

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.

by TBender on Jul 16, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Plus he has sand in his bat.

Dude’s a mess.

I'm out of champagna. How about some 7-Up and Mad Dog 20/20?

by The Continental on Jul 16, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe it's not the head connector

Maybe some kid put playdoh inside his helmet so it won’t click on right.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Jul 16, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Can we just replace his head with a new one?

Preferably from one of these guys?

Cardinals Baseball 2010: Why have only one 25th man when you can have four?

by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Jul 16, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not Squidman or Squidtron

Those are clearly reserved for the Centiquid.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Jul 16, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not to mention they resemble Ezequiel Astacio.

"When I gave up a grand slam to Pete LaCock," Bob Gibson said later, "I knew it was time to quit."

by The Classical on Jul 16, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

That was my favorite of the bunch

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Jul 16, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

definitely something wrong with the head connector.

or maybe it’s the hat connector.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 16, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

rec'd

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jul 16, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

LOL

on that note, isn’t there some kind of player vote for the remaining non-starting all-stars? i mean, i can definitely see now why votto may not have been chosen. perhaps he has a reputation for being a big douche.

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jul 16, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

are they by position, though?

he could have been blocked out even then.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 16, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Double serious now

I didn’t even notice that until looking again after reading this. Awesome.

by ArkansasTravs on Jul 16, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

He is grabbing the HELL out of his nuts

VivaElBirdos: Celebrating glorious mustaches since 2009

by redbirdnation8206 on Jul 16, 2010 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hat Connector

What is the likelihood of ALL of Matt’s hats being defective? Probably not very. I think yall are spot on with his head connector being broken.

C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!

by yer dog first on Jul 16, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Awesome

That is all.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Jul 16, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Indeed, good choice.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Jul 16, 2010 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yay Cardinals!

They Won! I knew they could do it!:)

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jul 16, 2010 10:14 AM EDT reply actions  

RiverRat!

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.

by TBender on Jul 16, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hah!

I was wondering when the exclamation points would come out!

Let’s win! Score some runs!

by OCCardsFan on Jul 16, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah they won...

But, I don’t think I can be excited until they win 3 in a row… Inconsistency is this team’s calling card.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike.

by SheckieZx on Jul 16, 2010 10:26 AM EDT reply actions  

we consistently win 2 out of 3

but that must be something different…. like instead let’s sweep teams and get swept more often?…. cause we actually are pretty consistent in regards to winning series

Rasmus can hit lefties
cardinalred
St. Louis Sports blog

by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 16, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Way to go Carp!

He pitched a great game and beat those Dodgers good!

by Danny! on Jul 16, 2010 10:31 AM EDT reply actions  

I wonder which interview persona he will employ,

The smiling one for national broadcast interviews mid-game or the short, annoyed one utilized in St. Louis post-game press conferences?

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jul 16, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

I bet you are right.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jul 16, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Watching the Dodgers feed last night...

Lyons was really pushing the Chief Justice moniker for Mr. Jay. The only quality thing he’s done in years.

After which, he promptly pants’d himself and stumbled out of the broadcast booth…cause, you know, he’s “psycho”.

"When I gave up a grand slam to Pete LaCock," Bob Gibson said later, "I knew it was time to quit."

by The Classical on Jul 16, 2010 10:59 AM EDT reply actions  

has there been any serious talk that anyone knows of regarding a trade before the deadline?

because this is our damn year. we can do this. but some mif help would be great.

by sociopath on Jul 16, 2010 11:05 AM EDT reply actions  

all Mo said was "wednesday was busy"

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 16, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

i hope mo was busy giving arizona some stuff for some stephen drew. or some dan haren.

but hes probably just locking up aaron miles for the next five years. or extending lohse’s contract.

by sociopath on Jul 16, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Would any team just take a wad of cash?

The Cardinals don’t have many attractive young players they can afford to part with, but would any team be willing to take a big, Ed McMahon-oversized check and along with serviceable players? I mean, if Mo walked into the D’Back front office and said “I’ve got nothing, boys, except this giant check for 10,000,000,” would they go for it? (Not that the home team has $10 million lying around).

Also, Mo may want to trade for adjustable hats for Matty H. Maybe Holiday is just ordering the wrong size? Maybe his head is swollen? Maybe he washed a wool hat and threw it in the dryer?

Honi soit qui mal y pense.

by p_lampe on Jul 16, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

FWIW. . .

I suspect that would be disapproved by the Commissioner’s Office. I believe that it is still true that deals of that nature are subject to strict Commissioner’s Office scrutiny.

by SouthsideCardsFan on Jul 16, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am pretty sure they would fall over themselves for Eduardo Sanchez at this point.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Jul 16, 2010 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

my theory that Scott Boras broke Lego is gaining traction

P-D link to “talking-to”

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 16, 2010 11:11 AM EDT reply actions  

i would actually read

“The Superstar Encyclopedia”
after i stole it somewhere of course, not putting more money in Boras’ pocket

by d-dee on Jul 16, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

that it's not outfields in L.A.

it’s outfields in L.A. after Scott Boras calls him into his lair and gives him a “talking-to” then sits in during the game.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 16, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Was at the game last night with my buddy who was visiting

We sat in the 3rd baseline “loge” area. Unfortunately, I did not get a good look at the Manny Ramirez show (but the Benny Hill music was playing in my head) since the left field corner was obstructed. Other than that it was a nice place to watch the game.

It was over ninety degrees until about seven o’clock. We got there at around six. Holy crap is summer bad in this town. I was so hot and tired I didn’t even want beer. I still love it though.

For the fist time in a while, all the songs were not sung by group of off key little kids. “Take Me Out To The Ballgame” was just Ernie Hays on the organ. Awesome. I got to inform my friend (Indians fan from Cleveland, now also a Nationals fan living in D.C.) that the song was written after the Cubs last won the World Series. Double Awesome.

Carp looked quite good. Nice to see though curveballs bending from our almost completely perpendicular viewpoint. Allen Craig’s hard hit ball to Casey Blake looked a lot like Lopez’s, only it was caught. Allen Craig’s hard hit ball to the outfield looked like a homerun at first. He hits the ball hard.

The Wave lasted waaay too long.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Jul 16, 2010 11:23 AM EDT reply actions  

Also I had no idea Craig had been called up until they announced his name in the lineup

That was a very nice surprise.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Jul 16, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Allen Craig is a guerilla mass-destroyer of baseballs.

He moves about the country in AAA, biding his time to strike at the major-league pitchers. You witnessed a rare phenomenon last night.

I trust that you were thrilled when the Chief Justice shot one down the left field line.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jul 16, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

My buddy recognized instantly that Jon Jay has a similar name to a famous writer

of Federalist Papers. I deadpanned, “I hope he makes a catch in the outfield to end the inning, so I can say ‘the defense rests!’” He thought that was hysterical. We were probably the nerdiest two people in section 263.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Jul 16, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

As I have brought up before,

I have a John Jay, Supreme Court Justice, baseball card by Topps. I want the 2010 Topps Jon Jay rookie card so I can put them on a two-card plaque in my office. Has anyone seen the 2010 Jay rookie card, or, do I have to wait for the traded series?

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jul 16, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

me too

rotoworld doesn’t seem to be doing such a great job of following stuff like that this year, or did I just fail to see it in their feed?

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jul 16, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

I know this blog that does a pretty good job...

I'm out of champagna. How about some 7-Up and Mad Dog 20/20?

by The Continental on Jul 16, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's because community members follow the Twitter.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jul 16, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

What???

I already have barbecue, ketchup and horseradish!

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jul 16, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think something was lost in translation here.

good one though

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 16, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sup /b/?!

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Jul 16, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

4chan kinda creeps me out

I enjoy mocking internet stuff way more than partaking in it.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Jul 16, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Definitely

There are some fun harmless memes out there, but there is also so much BS.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Jul 16, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pretty crappy superpower.

Poor Craig.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Jul 16, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

don't talk to me about towns with bad summers.

although…at least chase field has a roof.

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jul 16, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

not this time of year.

monsoon season.

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jul 16, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

The heat index at 6:15 in the morning when I was driving to work yesterday

was 91.

But I love oppressive heat.

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Jul 16, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

the LOW tonight in Phoenix is 93 degrees.

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jul 16, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's been hot as hell here

in the NE. Hit 103 in NYC a week or two ago. Only supposed to be 95 here today. I want to take a summer vacation to someplace cold.

by mattyp on Jul 16, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's pretty nice here

About 60 degrees and sunny right now, I think the high is around 70 today.

by mojowo11 on Jul 16, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

where is here?

honestly though i have a tough time complaining about phx weather, since the other 9 months of the year are gorgeous.

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jul 16, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

San Francisco

In the summer, it’s always between 60 and 80. In the winter, it’s between 50 and 70.

by mojowo11 on Jul 16, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

The wind felt a lot colder than that when I was there

in April one year.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jul 16, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

It can be chilly, especially by the water

When I say 60 to 80, I mean the high temp on a given day.

But yes, this city is colder than most people realize. That said, it’s never boiling, and it’s never freezing, which is awesome.

by mojowo11 on Jul 16, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

But you're missing the Saint Louis humidity.

That’s my favorite part. Well, my favorite part is actually people being miserable, but that comes with the humidity.

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Jul 16, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am definitely not

“missing” the STL humidity.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jul 16, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

its a little humid here, but yeah nothing like STL

it makes 90 feel like 110. i remember that when i lived there. of course i was a kid and didnt really care.

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jul 16, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gotta love MT summers....

High 90, low 56. Leave the widows and doors open at night, and the house is cool all day long.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jul 16, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sometimes, you eat the bahr,

and sometimes the bahr eats you.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jul 16, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

cant watch much

What with my computer broken and all, but tracking this game last night was greatly calming. Had I known Carp was going to pitch roughly of the same quality as his previous 2 starts, I would’ve portended whiskey. Instead…it isn’t such a bad morning. Still would like Aaron Miles to stop having the most artificially good season at the plate.

"...and pujols has given st louis the lead"
The Best Defensive Play I Have Seen in Person

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by tgreenfield on Jul 16, 2010 11:23 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

TBH I'm going to take my metaphorical hat off to Miles

I thought he had fallen off a cliff. Thus far, I think he’s proven that he hasn’t. I still think his once-mediocre defense has actually got worse, but as a hitter he’s still the same slappy but passable singles hitter he always was. He’s probably a replacement-level player still, which, yeah, kinda sucks, but he’s not quite been the horrendous drain he promised to be when signed.

I don’t think Gotay would be any better (and I actually wonder if Solano is worse) so, with Freese injured, you can argue that it’s he’s not the worst roster decision at present. What WOULD be a travesty would be sending Tyler Greene back down instead of Miles once Freese is healthy again (likewise Craig and Stav), but I have a hunch TLR is actually quite liking Greene so far. I’m really pulling for Tyler this year, it’d be a great story to see such a post-hype prospect ultimately have some success.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jul 16, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have to give credit to Miles

Maybe’s it’s all luck, but he has hit well since being here.

"I told myself from the very beginning: 'If he's going to throw a shutout, then he's going to tie,'" Wainwright said. "He was not going to beat me today."

by spfldbird on Jul 16, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, and if its all luck, at this point i don't really care that much

because the bottom line is that he is hitting and getting on-base and scoring runs. even if its just luck, who cares? until he stops getting lucky, of course. and now that craig, greene, and jay are all up here, and descalso is hurt, i don’t necessarily feel like he’s blocking anyone that absolutely SHOULD be here.

/runs for cover

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jul 16, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dick in a toaster

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jul 16, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

All right, SoonerFan, I'm on to you.

What have you done with the real IHeartBoog?

My concern, as discussed below, is the Stavinfection Effect. This is where a terrible offensive player begins his time on the 25-man with an incredible bit of luck, which gives him a great looking BA. This incredible bit of luck then runs out and his falloff is brutal. But, because of the lucky beginning, he maintains his roster spot due to that first impression and the appearance of an acceptable offensive line despite being terrible.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jul 16, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmmm.

It may be, but I am certain it is not called the Barden Effect.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jul 16, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think we all agree he's not very good

And when the luck runs out, we can put him on a fast train out of town. But for now when he’s on base, someone else can get an rbi.

Well with TLR he won’t get dfa’d but probably suffer a season ending injury.

I admit, when the Cards are hitting well, it’s much easier to put up with having Miles on the roster.

"I told myself from the very beginning: 'If he's going to throw a shutout, then he's going to tie,'" Wainwright said. "He was not going to beat me today."

by spfldbird on Jul 16, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

We all do agree on this.

What I am worried about is that, when his luck runs out, TLR will keep playing him.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jul 16, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually, I think I kinda don't agree, without being facetious :-)

I don’t think “riding the hot streak until he cools down” is necessarily a sensible way to manage the situation. I think it’s just a lucky streak, really, and there’s no real reason why he’ll hit any “better” in the near future just because he’s been hitting luckily in the recent past. That said, the fact that he’s (at least IMO) more or less the same hitter he’s been in his career to date, and the fact that there’s really no-one who is currently healthy who’s demonstrably any better, I’m OK with him in the very short term.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jul 16, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is an example of one of those gambling fallacies, right?

Each successive event is not actually connected to the previous lucky events. There’s no telling how long to keep “riding the lucky streak” since by definition it is not a streak (just random outcomes that appear to be a pattern) so why bother?

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Jul 16, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

RIGHT.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jul 16, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes

or, it MIGHT be a streak, and he might really be hitting better than normal, but as there’s no real objective way to analyse his hitting over a small sample
a) we can’t know for sure that it is
and
b) when it ends, it’ll probably take a few weeks for us to realise that fact, a few weeks in which he’ll probably be sucking.

There’s any number of reasons why “riding a streak” is not very smart with a guy like Miles.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jul 16, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also

There’s nothing in his peripheral numbers (or, as others have said, in watching him make 14-yo-girl-softball-league contact on the ball) to suggest that he’s doing anything different than normal.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jul 16, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

There is no feeling like a streak......

I had a great one once……I think I won an average of 7 out of 10 pots for aboot 4 hours. It seemed that hands I folded even continually turned into winners. Fun stuff.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jul 16, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Be careful with ths analogy, because it's not really correct

You should not equate a gambler’s fallacy with riding the "hot streak" of an athlete in an athletic endeavor. There may be variations over short periods of time that lead to hot streaks (confidence, a change in mechanics, etc.) but here is no such thing in coin flipping.

Perhaps we can’t effectively measure these variations, and therfore can’t predict very well how soon or precipitously they will end (they may even persist), but that is fundamentally different than a pure gambler’s fallacy.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 16, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

human beings are not dice even if their heads are shaped that way?

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 16, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, i agree with this.

and we all know miles is not good. but i’m just saying, i think i will keep my bitching to a minimum as long as he’s actually contributing in a meaningful way. i’ll start up again when he’s not.

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jul 16, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right!

And the other guys on the team seem to be rooting for him. And I’m all for keeping the man stew happy.

But as soon as he stops being lucky – Get Rid Of Him.

"I told myself from the very beginning: 'If he's going to throw a shutout, then he's going to tie,'" Wainwright said. "He was not going to beat me today."

by spfldbird on Jul 16, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

You don't expect him to be lucky......ever

Just because he has gotten a few bullshit hits does not mean you should expect him to get more. He “should” already have stopped being lucky at this very moment.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jul 16, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that was kinda my point

until they send Greene down when Freese is healthy, I don’t think we can complain too much. It was a shitty move when they signed Miles, but they’ve gotten away with it so far and I don’t think it’s going to hurt us in the foreseeable future either because I don’t think he’s playing as much as I feared or blocking the guy I feared he’d block (Greene).

I don’t think Descalso should be up as I think he needs a full year at AAA. If he does OK I’d be open to giving him a run at 2B in the majors next year, but for now he’s still got learning and development to do (unlike, say, Craig) so I think being a AAA starter (when healthy) is more useful than being the 25th guy on the major league roster.

Miles is blocking Gotay, who is maybe a bit better but not much different to Miles really, and Solano, who absolutely cannot hit his way out of a bag, made of tissue paper, moistened with Mike Gallego’s tears.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jul 16, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

it moistens itself. there's a small shrine to it.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 16, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I believe Descalso has a fractured collar bone,

so he is not an option currently.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jul 16, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did I read somewhere that Henley needed surgery or something?

Was this an old news item that I saw by accident? I figure throwing this out there will get a quick VEB response.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Jul 16, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Henley got hurt I think over a month ago now

and I think i’m right in saying it was his throwing arm, and he was Tommy-John-bound last I heard. I think Jay’s emergence this year makes him effectively very much surplus anyhow.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jul 16, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was hoping it wasn't Tommy John but that's what I thought it probably was in fact.

Thanks. He has been a fun prospect to keep an eye on (Henley I mean. Jay too, actually).

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Jul 16, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Stavinoha must have given Miles his luck.

Aaron Miles has a .371 BABIP (career .307) and an 8.6 LD%. That is not a type-o. Aaron Miles’s LD% is 8.6% and his FB% is 37.1% and his GB% is 54.3% and his BABIP in .371. Allow this to sink in. Now, appreciate the accuracy of Dan’s statement from above, that,

…Miles might be the most infuriating .342 hitting second baseman in the history of baseball.

Why can’t something like this happen to Boog or Skippy?

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jul 16, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

so his hitting has been poor

but his gritting has been exemplary. Aaron Miles: professional gritter

by mattyp on Jul 16, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

And don't forget

Designated Gritter. You know, for those world series games.
Totally kidding, GOB, no jinx no jinx no jinx no jinx no jinx.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Jul 16, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Of course he's been lucky

he’s not a .360-odd hitter, he’s a true talent .280 hitter, MAYBE, which is his career rate (might be a bit lower now with age taken into account). He’s not striking out at a higher rate, he’s making decent contact (better than his career rate), although he IS swinging at more stuff outside the zone (in a small sample size), but he’s also walking at better than his career rate.

I would pay zero attention to his batted ball numbers, to be honest. The vagaries of batted ball classification plus the tiny sample size makes it meaningless. If just THREE of his groundballs/flyballs that he’s hit this season are reclassified into line drives, he’s back up near his career rate of 19%.

Also, I’d rather he hit more groundballs and fewer flyballs – with his extreme lack of power, virtually every Aaron Miles flyball is going to be a near automatic out, with a few doubles down the line and the occasional dying quail that falls in front of an outfielder. He’s better off keeping it on the ground and trying to poke it into holes.

Again, I’m not saying I’m happy with the situation, or that I want him on the team. His presence is evidence of extreme procedural and evaluative deficiencies within sections of the organisation, in my opinion, and is a bad example of some sort of favouritism (he didn’t “deserve” to be here ahead of Greene or Gotay) BUT my worst fears (that of a guy who would literally be the worst player in baseball, by a long shot, making 2 or 3 starts a week and taking at-bats away from better players) largely haven’t been realised.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jul 16, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I understand what you are saying.

Given that you are across the pond, I assume you haven’t seen many of the games. As Joker points out, his hits have no power at all. He does not hit the ball hard much at all these days. In this case, the batted ball data seems correct to me. He hits Little League depth fliners. Sure, he would be tearing it up on a 200-foot fenced field, but he is taking MLB PAs away from players who can strike the ball well. This is fulfilling my worst fear—fed by the Stavinfection we can’t seem to treat with antibiotics—that Miles would have an incredibly lucky beginning, driving up his BA, and this would secure his roster spot for the duration of the season, just as what has happened with the Stavinfection.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jul 16, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

See below

I remember in 2006 during the stretch run when he was playing more or less every day before we got Belliard, watching a lot of the games, and it seemed he ALWAYS went about 1-for-3 with a single poked into centre field somewhere along the ground or off a little flare. You’re right in that I’ve not watched much lately, but I guess I’ve seen maybe 15-20 of his 38 at-bats. I don’t notice much change, to be honest – he only ever hit the very occasional one hard in the past anyway, and I’d rather he was poking and prodding the ball than swinging for the fences because, as I said above, an Aaron Miles flyball is and always has been an automatic out.

Also, as below, I’m heartened that he’s not taken significant playing time away from better players. At present, he’s probably blocking Gotay, and Greene, Boog (who has been no better than Miles, even luck-adjusted) and Skip have all been starting in preference to Miles. True, I’d rather have a better pinch hitter up instead (Hamilton, maybe?) but with the current injury issues I’m not sweating Miles’ presence too much, tbh. Just as long as he’s the odd man out when Freese is back (which I think we have every reason to predict will be the case, given Greene is now more or less the starting SS) I don’t think Miles kills us as the 25th man ahead of Gotay or Solano, neither have any great claim to be any better.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jul 16, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

My gf's 12 yo displayed more power

over the weekend in his AllStar tournament than AFM has all year.

OT…They also have a kid on there team that is a stud. Line drive homers all over the place. The kid’s 12, and stands 6’1". He has a ton of potential.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jul 16, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes... I know his family.

throws 76 right now. Plays center and short and pitches better than most kids in his age group around here.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jul 16, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

his offense does not excite me in the least

but it’s actually his defense that bothers me and is the primary reason he shouldn’t be getting PT, imo

by mattyp on Jul 16, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed

I’m not sure if he’s not actually worse than Skip. Similar range, weaker arm.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jul 16, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

You watching the same hitter I am?

His hardest hit ball so far this year that I’ve seen has rolled to the normal depth of an outfielder. He’s not even slap hitting, he’s hitting the ball so poorly that his flyballs are just flipping it over the infield—-I think he has 3 of those where an infielder actually fielded the ball.

If we saw a pitcher who had a 55% GB rate, never gave up a hard hit ball and didn’t walk anyone, we’d be ecstatic…..that’s what it’s like facing Aaron Miles.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jul 16, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wow.

His spray chart on stlcardinals.com is depressing and amusing all at once. As an aside, why on earth must I choose a stadium in which to view a spray chart? Why can’t I choose “all hits everywhere” or something?

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jul 16, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Where did you get that spray chart?

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jul 16, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Texasleaguers.com

An appropriate place to find Aaron Miles’ spray chart.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jul 16, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Quite so.

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.

by TBender on Jul 16, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Given the longstanding and declining lack of power

You’d think team’s outfields would play him 20 or 30 feet in. He’ll likely pick up an occasional double or triple, but you’d think that would shut down a huge portion of his singles.

by Merry CRasmus on Jul 16, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bizarrely SBN ate my reply to this

I think I said something along the lines of, that’s what he’s always done. He’s never had any power. Of course his BA is hugely lucky and he sucks, but my point was he doesn’t (and hasn’t) sucked in the way I thought he would’ve. I’m also encouraged that he’s getting the least playing time out of all the middle infielders, and quietly hopeful that he’ll be the man to make way when Freese is back. I reserve the right to take all that back and curse TLR’s name if Tyler Greene is sent down instead.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jul 16, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't recall him being this worthless

He never had power, but this is something less than slap hitting—-I mean literally he has to absolutely connect on a ball to get it to fly to an outfielder. If he ends up at anything better than .250 .280 .300 going forward I’d be shocked. He isn’t hitting the ball like a MLB player.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jul 16, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe.

I’m certainly no Miles fan and would rather have him off the roster, but I’m pleased for him as a human being and I’m glad he’s playing competently rather than absolutely sucking, at least for now.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jul 16, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

But that's the problem

Favoritism and bad scouting of our own AAA team is why he’s here now and it’s exactly eat will keep him here when Freese ces back and the lucky hitting just makes matters worse

"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"

by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jul 16, 2010 12:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Exactly

I guess it depends on your level of certainty regarding Miles talent level. I am confident the guy is roughly a .220/.260/.270 hitter right now. I also think the organization will not let him go a minute before his numbers reflect his true talent level. So every duck snort he hits, in my mind, ensures him 4 more AB’s. You just have to look at the AB’s to see he isn’t making good contact, but the numbers confirm what you already see and already know. That chart above illustrates it well too, but even that doesn’t give a full picture of some of these base hits.

As it stands now, he could go 0 for 25 and end up roughly around where his true talent level is. That isn’t very likely. Most likely, he has and OBP and SLG around .250 – .300 the rest of the way and sticks the whole way based off his good fortune so far. Worst yet, we’re now facing the risk of him being in the conversation for a roster spot next year.

I simply can’t allow myself to put it aside. In many ways, I think this has been the worst case scenario. Mostly because I have a high level of confidence that I know what Miles is, and I have a higher level of confidence that the manager doesn’t share my opinion. Tony does a lot of good things, but these type of players are his weak spot.

by Merry CRasmus on Jul 16, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

did you see the hits he got last night

i don’t think there’s anything to suggest he hasn’t fallen off a cliff, climbed back to the top and jumped off again just for fun

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jul 16, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Miles has a .336 wOBA with a .371 BABIP this year

And did you watch last nights game? Besides, even if he wasn’t getting incredibly lucky, 43 PA says absolutely nothing about his talent going forward compared to the 2466 PA in which he’s been below replacement level – BEFORE he fell off a cliff.

Miles is absolutely terrible and should not be anywhere near a major league team. The fact that he hasn’t embarrassed himself so far this year means nothing.

by vivaelpujols on Jul 16, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

And did you watch last nights game?

From a man who cautions about drawing any conclusions from small sample sizes?

Miles is absolutely terrible and should not be anywhere near a major league team.

I agree. He’s perhaps not as bad as I imagined, however, and he’s not taking as many plate appearances, either. Plus we literally have NO other players I’d say are hugely more deserving of being the 25th man on the roster. Of course, if that changes (Craig or Greene get sent down, for instance) I reserve the right to lambast TLR/Mo for it.

The fact that he hasn’t embarrassed himself so far this year means nothing.

It means NEARLY nothing, as I’m sure I don’t have to explain to you. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to draw the conclusion that he probably hasn’t got enormously worse (which I assumed he had) over the last couple of years, however.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jul 19, 2010 7:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Additionally
43 PA says absolutely nothing about his talent going forward compared to the 2466 PA in which he’s been below replacement level – BEFORE he fell off a cliff.

All I’m saying is – how do we KNOW he’s fallen off a cliff, true talent-wise? We’re making assumptions off incomplete data (worse, much of it in the minor leagues) either way.

Miles is dreadful and I don’t want him on the team. But I’m not sure he’s appreciably worse now than he was when he last played for us.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jul 19, 2010 7:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

even luckier

than that .371 BABIP implies by itself

wOBAr is .273

that accounts for the type of luck he specifically has had on each batted ball type in the past. not a major leaguer

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jul 20, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

George Sherrill

is pretty much the definitive example of a bunch of pitching fallacies that saber-conversant fans have been banging on about for years. The small sample-sizes inherent in a relief pitcher’s season, the need to look at peripheral and component stats (e.g. K/BB/HR/batted ball profiles) instead of simple ERA, the complete uselessness of the “save” statistic, the concept of “regression to the mean”, and the folly of spending money on non-elite bullpen arms.

He pretty much runs the gamut.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jul 16, 2010 11:24 AM EDT reply actions   2 recs

This post feels like a throwback from two years ago.

You are exactly correct. But, don’t tell Ned Colletti that! We want him spending McCourt money (and it is McCourt money, regardless of who wins) on relievers!

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jul 16, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

extreme need for unicorns!!

but still, this sucks.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 16, 2010 11:48 AM EDT reply actions  

Um, what?
Penny also said his injury included connective tissue torn from bone. The Cardinals have not disclosed such an injury as part of his condition.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jul 16, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ottavino's got a SLAP tear...

He fell for that old ass Rick James joke?

"When I gave up a grand slam to Pete LaCock," Bob Gibson said later, "I knew it was time to quit."

by The Classical on Jul 16, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions   3 recs

some good stuff
The Cardinals have signed 37 draft selections, most in either league, but have yet to ink any of their top four selections.

Now get those other four.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jul 16, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

The top selections usually sign later, it seems to me.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jul 16, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Absolutely, unless your the Brewers.....

7 of their top ten are in Helena right now playing Rookie ball.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jul 16, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

you got this

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jul 16, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

YOU CAN ALL SUCK IT.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jul 16, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Aight

Hey RiverRat, what, did you miss the “contractions” day in middle school?

LOLOL

by mojowo11 on Jul 16, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think most fans are more concerned about a certain one of their top 12 selections.

And I’m pretty sure all of the top 4 sign, FWIW. Cox and Jenkins won’t sign before the deadline, so that’s no surprise.

Also, I’m pretty sure Jordan Swaggerty (2nd round and our 4th selection) has signed, hasn’t he?

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jul 16, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nope

according to BA, the highest drafted player we’ve signed is the 3rd round pick

link

by CRay on Jul 16, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

FWIW

Arkansas’ head coach said in yesterday’s paper that he still thinks Cox will sign, but that those higher round picks usually sign in August. The article didn’t give any details, but said Cox was “still negotiating” with the Cards.

by ArkansasTravs on Jul 16, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

fuck ottavino too?

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jul 16, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

i thought this was an oblique injury

wtf

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jul 16, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

sarted as a lat, IIRC.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jul 16, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

apparently there's a lot of oblique to injure?

can we sue him if it turns out he was passing the time with his MMA buddies?

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 16, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

FESPN
The Cardinals’ July 25 series finale against the Chicago Cubs has been moved from an afternoon start to 7:09 p.m. to accommodate ESPN.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 16, 2010 11:50 AM EDT reply actions  

I am more than ok with this.....

I can go floating / fly fishing in the morning, and come home to the game that evening……Perfect weekend, engage.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jul 16, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah it's dumb.

Me and a couple buddies bought tickets to this game under the assumption we could start drinking at 11 all through the game and sober up enough to drive home in the evening to be at work Monday. Now no one can even make the trip.

by lopey986 on Jul 16, 2010 12:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

yes tis a bit contradictory

afternoon, assuming 12 at the earliest im guessing and probably 1

we could start drinking at 11 – Now no one can even make the trip.

that’s weird…. but you said… nevermind…

Rasmus can hit lefties
cardinalred
St. Louis Sports blog

by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 16, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

that is why Al Yellon is selling his bleacher seats

*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 16, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

For $25,000.

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Jul 16, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

interesting

there goes WAR?

*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 16, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think the Wyers article is saying something that isn't already known, at least to some extent.

i.e. “defense is very hard to quantify with the resources we currently have”. At least in my case I think he’s preaching to the converted.

I tend to agree that WAR that relies overly heavily on an extreme defensive performance (at either end) should probably be taken with a pinch of salt, too, at least without some other analysis or level of subjective reasoning. I can readily believe, for instance, that Brendan Ryan was worth on the order of 20-odd runs above an “average” position player’s defensive performance last year, but the amount of error on that “measurement” must be pretty big.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jul 16, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

well

I’ve always been very skeptical of WAR so, maybe I’m just trying to find some kind of closure on that.

*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 16, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like the idea of incorporating a rolling window over 3 seasons into WAR rather than just the one season

the other idea would be to make the defensive component of WAR less valuable.

*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 16, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

I can believe that Ben Zobrist was a valuable player last year, but about as valuable as Pujols (probably based largely on his defense and positional adjustment)…? Uh, no.

by mattyp on Jul 16, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dunno, he hit the cover off the ball too

.408 wOBA. .405 OBP. That’s quite a bit better than CHASE UTLEY’s career numbers, and he’s probably the best hitter at second base since Rogers Hornsby (well, maybe Joe Morgan too). Zobrist is also pretty much universally seen to be a good defensive second baseman as far as I’ve heard by people who’ve watched a lot of him. By any stretch of the imagination, it was an amazing season.

I think Pujols’ WAR might’ve been adversely affected by an unusually low defensive component last year, but he DID look somewhat worse with the glove than normal, I suppose, and he is “only” a first baseman. He also had a higher (marginally) WAR than Zobrist last year. I don’t think I have a problem with those numbers.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jul 16, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, I realized I meant to type "substantially," not "largely"

but knowing VEB, I expected someone to correct em soon enough. You did not disappoint.

by mattyp on Jul 16, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

*me

I’ll correct that one for myself

by mattyp on Jul 16, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

so maybe he didn't use the best example

Holliday having a much better WAR this season than Rasmus would be a good one imo

*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 16, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

I think I can go with that. That said, Holliday’s been pretty much creaming the ball lately, and, for me, has actually been more or less faultless in the field this year. I don’t think he’s been THAT much better in the field compared to his career as UZR says (probably just an anomaly), but his hitting has been basically as good as always (park adjusted actually might even be a bit better than his career numbers, I imagine).

But yeah, Rasmus has been awesome. I can kinda see how a guy who (IMO) has made a few pretty bad mistakes in CF can be less valuable in the field than a LF who’s barely put a foot wrong (in the games I’ve seen), but as you say, 15-odd runs is pushing it…

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jul 16, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

well

there was a point where Holliday was not hitting as crazily good as he has lately, and Rasmus was the best hitter on the team (or tied with Pujols depending on how you want to look at it). since UZR was not liking Rasmus much at all, he was no where near as good in WAR as Holliday was, when much of Holliday’s WAR value was defense based. I just thought that was pretty much hogwash… or maybe, you just don’t bring up WAR in the middle of the season since it is subject to distortion.

*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 16, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

There was also a period

were Rasmus had a sub .660 OPS for over a month.

by Evilfrog on Jul 16, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was looking at the two player's wOBA

and Rasmus’ was much higher, yet WAR was ranking Holliday much higher. it was quite clearly UZR being the difference

*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 16, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Comparing Holliday's UZR (and therefore WAR) to Rasmus' isn't very useful

because they don’t play the same position. Holliday is being compared to other LFers and Rasmus is being compared to other CFers. It’s apples to oranges.

Also, Colby plays so shallow, I have questions about how his positioning is affecting his UZR numbers. (Though I’m sure his errant/bad throws aren’t helping)

by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 16, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Goold reported that he was like -11 runs running deep

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jul 16, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think anyone would argue, by mere subjective "eye test", that Kennedy was not a good defensive second baseman

I didn’t mind releasing him as he had a problem with TLR and a problem being a backup player (which is all he was worth, really). He would’ve caused some irritation in the dressing room, I think, and for a guy who even WAR would say is deeply below-average, I just don’t think it was worth it.

But he was definitely a vaguely productive player, so, if he wasn’t causing backstage problems, it was somewhat dumb to outright release him.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jul 16, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

The problem is that TLR couldn't manage to put any of that aside

Which is dumb and thus, releasing a productive player is dumb.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jul 16, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

We basically kept playing him, right?

I remember that being the killer for a lot of people.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Jul 16, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess I'm misreading this

Jus’ sayin: 1-year UZR is overrated, and releasing Adam Kennedy was dumb. Not mutually exclusive beliefs.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jul 16, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, I go along with that, I think

EXCEPT there was a good reason for releasing Kennedy. The benefits of keeping a guy who is MAYBE a bit better than the internal options (Ryan, converting Skip) or signing a cheap free agent (at the time, I think Durham, Floppy Lopez, Grudz, and maybe Belliard were all available for little money, and all as good as if not better than Kennedy) who MIGHT cause a lot of friction in the clubhouse could be arguable. I think it’s really a subjective judgement as to how adverse it’ll be to have a guy on the roster who doesn’t want to be there. Up to a point, I think I tend to agree that you might as well dump that guy if he’s a below-average player.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jul 16, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was mainly talking about what people said Adam Kennedy was "worth" when he was released

as a function of his 2008 WAR, that was almost solely dependent on his defensive UZR number, which was both unreliable, an outlier, and certainly not likely to be repeated given his advancing age. (Of course, his UZR/150 at 2B went from +18 to -19 the next year, over another unreliable sample)

In any event, I was also mainly disagreeing with Felonius’ assertion that people here, generally, have a good understanding of the caveats, error bars, or systemic problems in source data that go along with many of the stats that get thrown around here. I would say that most need to be converted, not that they already are.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 16, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was also mainly disagreeing with Felonius

WELL THEN YOU CAN GET TO HELL!!!!!

NOBODY DOES THAT AND GETS AWAY WITH IT!!!!

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jul 19, 2010 7:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

You do understand that Colin has not said - or proven - that defensive metrics are inaccurate over a large sample size

The default assumption should be that they are relatively accurate (with error bars) until it’s proven that the ammount of bias or whatever is great.

by vivaelpujols on Jul 16, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can you think of a good way to prove that?

Off the top of my head, I’m not sure we have the data to really make a good argument either way.

I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons

by hazel on Jul 16, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like a WOWY test

Although that doesn’t really prove how good it is for individual players, except in the aggregate.

I guess Colin’s position is that “we don’t know how good UZR is”, but that’s unsatisfying to me. I mean you have to make a judgement somewhere along the line.

by vivaelpujols on Jul 16, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure how your comment is responsive to anything I wrote.

But, in answer to your first sentence — yeah, no shit. Indeed, he specifically said that he was putting the burden on the creators/users/defenders of the stat to prove its accuracy.

To your last point, I don’t know why that should be the default assumption rather than the opposite. And I think defensive stats would be more useful if they were stated with the error bars, primarily because I think people misuse them by overestimating their accuracy and precision.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 16, 2010 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well let's see

You, apparently, were disparaging people who claimed Kennedy was a good defender based off of his UZR’s.

by vivaelpujols on Jul 16, 2010 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, since you used the magic word...

I explained my comment a couple of posts up. Kennedy was a pretty good defender at 2B over his career by UZR. That’s all well and good.

But at the time of his release, many here were (mis)using his 2008 UZR, and his corresponding WAR, to suggest what he was really “worth” in $, without even knowing whether the error bars on his UZR, and hence WAR, had completely subsumed all his “value.” So, my point to Felonius was that many here still need to be “converted” to the understanding that stats like UZR contain both bias and error, and that conclusions made from such stats must be made carefully, with an understanding of the underlying stat’s limitations, rather than with strident (and false) certainty.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 16, 2010 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

thanks Tony!

*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 16, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

who's stat was it that relied on fans and scouts subjective views on defense?

perhaps using that stat along with UZR would make most sense

*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 16, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought it was Tango

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jul 16, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

nah, it was me

was a promising idea, but I decided to focus my efforts on a giant rubber bladder for oil tankers. I predict it will put an end to maritime oil spills.

by mattyp on Jul 16, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, someone did an SBN wide poll

rating their teams defense, and rolled that into a stat.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jul 16, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm blocked at work,

but I think this is it.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jul 16, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

I thought it was Tango too

*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 16, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's Dewans +/- isn't it?

pretty sure that’s included on Fangraphs now.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jul 16, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure it's Tango

although I like the idea of just showing top hitters, than putting a simple fielding indicator by the offense stat. so if a player is known by observation and by quantification to be a plus defender, they would get ++ by their name. if they are just generally known to be good at defense, they just get one +. if they are neutral defender, they get no sign or maybe an n for neutral. and the one – for a bad defender, and two — for a horrible defender.

*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 16, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Click my link.....

are you sure that’s not what we’re talking aboot here?

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jul 16, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

nope I was just talking about one of the fielding metrics

the one that is based on observation, I think it’s Tango’s

*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 16, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

This?

http://www.tangotiger.net/scout/

I used it in my projections; which is what RR is referencing above

by stevesommer05 on Jul 16, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm far less interested in the "are defensive measures accurate"

portion of the discussion than I am in the “what objective measuring stick do we use for comparing defensive metrics”. That question is fascinating and difficult to me.

Silly humans, this world is for robots.

by azruavatar on Jul 16, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

something like that would be a very interesting and involved article

since there are what, like 5 different evaluators?

*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 16, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

The new batted ball tracking system will likely solve this problem,

rendering UZR and +/- obsolete and we will all look back at ourselves and laugh in the same way we laugh a BBWAA members who use pitching “wins,” ERA, BA, and RBI to determine their postseason awards votes.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jul 16, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

awesome

the future kicks ass

*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 16, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

and the nanotelepathy!

*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 16, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

so that's what that vuvuzela sound is...

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 16, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

lol

*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 16, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure that's true.

The new tracking system is going to give us much more discrete and quantifiable data (zones, hit speed, trajectory, angle of elevation, fielder position, distance to ball, hang time, etc) but, in my head, you still need to know an average run environment for those situations to know how many runs that play should be worth.

An example: Ryan Braun hits a soft grounder to Pujols. The ball is 5 feet to Albert’s right (towards second) but Albert catches the ball in zone 17 and flips it to the pitcher. The ball left the bat at speed X with trajectory Y.

That’s all easily quantifiable info on the ball and where the player is. What I don’t know is the average value of that play because I don’t have a historical record of plays like that. What I’m driving at is a kind of linear weights for defense. If I don’t know the frequency of that example play and the average runs scored when it isn’t made, then I don’t know how much value to assign it. Maybe I’m looking for too much precision but I feel like you need a sample data set before this new data is going to be truly objective and valuable — that may not be available until years after the field f/x system is in place.

Silly humans, this world is for robots.

by azruavatar on Jul 16, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've suggested WOWY

Take all players who have UZRs of:

-15 to -13
-12 to -10
-9 to -7
 etc.

And see how many runs were allowed by their teams when they were on the field compared to when they were off the field.

It would be a snap for Colin to do, and I’ve already suggested him doing it. Whatever, let’s just keep bitching about philosophy instead of utilizing a method that would actually verify the results of UZR (in the aggregate)

by vivaelpujols on Jul 16, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Surely that's tough because you have to filter in pitchers, opposing teams, etc.?

Or maybe not, I really don’t know…

אנא טוני לא יותר ט.א.ס.ס

by chalk on Jul 16, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, you don't have to

Because over 8 season, any random variation would fade away.

by vivaelpujols on Jul 16, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think the variation would be all random, would it?

Like for example, a manager is much more likely to start backup position players with the no. 5 starter on the mound, etc. (Or maybe I’m wrong, whatever)

Maybe over 8 seasons, but if you meant to say a season, I wouldn’t really buy it.

אנא טוני לא יותר ט.א.ס.ס

by chalk on Jul 16, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Okay, I guess there are possibly some selection bias issues, but I don't really think those would be that large

Most of the missed games by fielders would be due to injury or because they are part time players rather than than specific situational subs.

I guess you could control for pitcher and hitter (and it’s not that hard to do) Besides, yeah, over 8 years that would fade away though.

by vivaelpujols on Jul 16, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

More of the same

None of this really changes the terms in our discussion we had a couple days back.

by vivaelpujols on Jul 16, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know.

It’s just in article form rather than non-threaded comments at THE BOOK blog.

Silly humans, this world is for robots.

by azruavatar on Jul 16, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's a good thing he didn't keep his eyes open or his career might've ended.

Sneeze lands Mat Latos on DL

"When I gave up a grand slam to Pete LaCock," Bob Gibson said later, "I knew it was time to quit."

by The Classical on Jul 16, 2010 12:10 PM EDT reply actions  

my buddy insists this is a "fake" injury and they just want to limit his IP to keep him fresh for the playoffs

if that is true, which seems unlikely, that is stoopid.

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jul 16, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

mlb on xm yesterday

was talking aboot the Pads plan to shut him down for a bit to lighten his work load, so it may not be that far fetched.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jul 16, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

damnit i hate when he's right

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jul 16, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Boogs has certainly been good this year, but

I wonder how much that increases his trade value. Boggs is a fine set-up man and could develop into a top-notch closer. I wouldn’t be surprised if he is an important part of a trade for a starter. After all, Salas has done a fine job in his limited exposure this year, and either he and Motte could develop into a future closer, making Boggs potentially redundant. Boggs is certainly valuable to the Cards (and I would hate to see him go) but, given all the young bullpen arms in the system, I wouldn’t be surprised if he was traded.

by CRay on Jul 16, 2010 12:17 PM EDT reply actions  

why would we trade away a top notch closer?

I don’t really see Salas as a closer… and Motte, well, I think I’d rather have him as a crazy ass set up man

*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 16, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

because we need a starting pitcher

and don’t have much in the minors to trade. I don’t want to see Boggs traded, it’s just that I see him as one of our better trade chips.

by CRay on Jul 16, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm increasingly thinking that we should just roll with Sups and Hawk and wait for Lohse to get back

might not be a very good idea though. hmm. I just can’t think of any starters that we can afford that would be that much of an improvement.

*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 16, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

There is also a waiver acquisition a la Woody Williams.

That pitcher this season could be Westbrook; although, I don’t expect a Woody Williams type of performance from him.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jul 16, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

Westbrook is looking like maybe the best option, but I am not too thrilled about that. still, he’s probably better than Suppan, but what do we give up for a guy like that? hopefully not much!

*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 16, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think he would cost that much at all.

At least, he shouldn’t.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jul 16, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

well, you might be right

we’re just REALLY thin at the moment with starters (especially with Otto’s surgery), and I wonder how Garcia will hold up as the innings pile up. Though hopefully Lohse (at least) will be back sometime and lessen the problem.

by CRay on Jul 16, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

this bullpen session on Saturday is a pretty big deal for the Cardinals!

*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 16, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hawk's looked competent enough

I think I’m OK with him as a 4th/5th starter. If one of Lohse or Penny ever comes back I think the rotation is reasonable.

Suppan really concerns me though.

A Westbrook pickup might not be too bad though.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jul 16, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was about to say the same

besides the Saturday bullpen for Lohse, I think Sunday’s start for Soup will also go a long way to determining if the Cards make a move. I am also OK with Hawk but I am somewhat worried about Garcia’s innings (besides worried about Soup). One of the real effects of all the injuries is that the Cards have had to rely on Jaime probably a lot more than they wanted to this year.

by CRay on Jul 16, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was thinking about Garcia the other day

but realistically, he’s been a lot BETTER than we thought he would be, too. I’m okay with riding him reasonably hard. He’s unlikely to exceed 180, 190 IP this year even if he stays healthy and pitches the rest of the year, which is 70 or 80-odd more than he threw in 08 or 07 admittedly, but it’s not an egregious increase, and he IS 24 this year. We get him under team control until he’s 30, so I guess we should aim to get the most innings out of his prime years.

Other than the TJ I don’t think he’s had any major arm issues in his career, and I’m yet to see some major evidence that a reasonable increase in a young pitcher’s workload = dramatic increase in injury likelihood, over-and-above a certain level. I think Verducci has, to some extent, been debunked on a few levels.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jul 16, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I take your point

but Garcia is at 99.2 innings for the year and could easily have another 16 starts – at 6 innings per start, he could get to over 190 this year, before the playoffs. Of course, if the Cards get a good lead, they could back him off some in September, or perhaps when Lohse gets back. But I would hate for him to come down with arm problems. To me, he’s a really important of the Cards’ future since I think the Cards will try to develop starting pitching (which will be cheap) in the next 3-4 years as the major way to pay Albert.

by CRay on Jul 16, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh I agree

I’m just not sure that there’s any real evidence that there is a significant increase in injury risk of having a 24-year old pitcher (albeit one who’s never thrown much more than 100 innings in a season before) throw 190 innings as opposed to 150.

I agree with keeping him on a strict pitch count, that’s fair enough, but I’m not sure there’s enough evidence on the “extra 40-odd innings = more likely injury” front for me to want to risk the extra probably ~1 win we’d get from having Garcia make those starts instead of some scrub like Brandon Dickson.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jul 16, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey FM

do you have any links to the material “debunking Verducci to some extent”? I don’t doubt what you say, but I would be interested in reading it (and perhaps calming my own fears). Thanks if you can post something. BTW, I think Garcia threw 155 innings in the minors in 2006 but no more than 122 since then. So I don’t have major issues until he gets around 180 innings (and him pitching in the playoffs is also always in my mind).

by CRay on Jul 16, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am not so much concerned with injury

as I am with fatigue. Fatigue, while it may not necessarily lead to more injury, will in fact cause lost concentration, lower velocity and movement, etc.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Jul 16, 2010 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do we have him under team control until he's 30?

I thought I heard he was eligible for arbitration quite soon.

by mojowo11 on Jul 16, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes Garcia is arb eligible starting in 2011

even so, that is still 3 more years of below market control

by CRay on Jul 16, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Verducci article

on the Verducci effect with this year’s pennant contenders, including Jaime
link

by CRay on Jul 16, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

wow

the Verducci article also has an entry on Carp and Waino since the ASG last year – impressive

by CRay on Jul 16, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

heh
In truth, the gun Fox used on its telecast was a tick or two faster for the first couple of innings than the scoreboard readings at Angels Stadium. And Price admitted that an extra day of rest and the thrill of starting the All-Star Game gave his heater a boost.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jul 16, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

HEH HEH
In his next start, against Boston, Price threw 100 fastballs out of his 111 pitches, topped out at 97 mph and averaged 95.

I am the Batman .
@CodeeG

by CodyG on Jul 16, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

said it before, trade ludwick for some pitching?

the white sox for daniel hudson would make me pretty happy. of course I keep hearing about the rays and prince fielder, I bet Ludwick could fetch us one of their pitching prospects.

I am the Batman .
@CodeeG

by CodyG on Jul 16, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

NO......

RYAN FUCKING LUDWICK DOES NOT APPROVE OF THIS TRADE RYAN LUDWICK TALK!!!!!

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jul 16, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

mark my words...!

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 16, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Would we get that for Luddy, though?

And do the Whitesox or Rays really need a corner OFer? The Rays seem to be using Crawford, Upton and Zobrist in the OF most nights, and Ludwick isn’t going to replace any of those guys (I think Zobrist is playing 2B now and again against righties with Gabe Kapler in right).

WhiteSox can maybe find a home for him but they have Rios in CF (who is staying there), Carlos Quentin, Andruw Jones and Juan Pierre sharing time in the corners – none of those guys are very good, but they’re three big names and are either making decent money or would likely need to be released to accomodate Luddy. So, yeah, maybe they’re an option. Not sure about the Rays though.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jul 16, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh that's true

I forgot that weird rule they have over in the AL. Who came up with that, eh?

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jul 16, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eh?

Wait, I though you were a Brit, not a Canuck?

by SouthsideCardsFan on Jul 16, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Juan Pierre and Andruw Jones are not making major money

The Dodgers are paying most of Pierre’s salary, and Jones was signed on a very small 1 year deal. However, Pierre’s on-base magic (Think he leads the lead in steals?) might keep him in the OF with a suddenly hot Carlos Quentin and Alex Rios.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Jul 16, 2010 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's got another year of fries,

and he enjoys it here, I coould see them buying out the last year, and signing him to a favorable 3 year deal in the off season.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jul 16, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

curly fries, that is.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 16, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I personally like their regular cut,

so I left out the curly.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jul 16, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

it makes the meme indistinguishable from bean crock

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 16, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think the Sox will trade Hudson

I believe he is in their starting rotation now that Peavy is out for the year.

by CRay on Jul 16, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

honestly, I'm just going off these adam dunn rumors where the Nats are asking for Hudson and Beckham

I’m sure if we were to offer up Ludwick they would jump at the chance over the Nats request.

I am the Batman .
@CodeeG

by CodyG on Jul 16, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ryan Ludwick

was the most dangerous offensive threat on this team for a stretch before going down, and Jon Jay is getting quite lucky at the plate right now. And pitching probably wasn’t the primary problem in the playoffs last year, offense was….which is to say, keep Ludwick.

by mattyp on Jul 16, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

+1

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jul 16, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Didn't get to see much of the game yesterday

Heard some Radio. Loved Rooney and how the Cardinals success. Wanted Horton to shut up more than usual.
Anyway, good work DanUp. I loved the Ben Grieve reference, the Holliday pic, the thought of Dunc saying “throw it at thier stupid bats”. I don’t know how u knew about this Meyerle guy, but between Carp last night and your post today Im happy. What a difference a week makes

"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"

by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jul 16, 2010 12:22 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Bring on a Reds loss tonight!

I never thought there’d be any chance of us being level with them a game into the second half. If anything I thought we might be several back by now!

Did they have a Cards-Rockies-style 9th inning collapse on the same day as the first game of the Astros series? I watched it all on replay the other night and saw they were 6-1 up, but I think then they might’ve lost?

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jul 16, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Reds had a rough go of it before the All-Star break.

They suffered a four-game sweep at the hands of the Phillies.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jul 16, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

FM, the Reds blew it

the Phillies scored 6 in the bottom of the ninth, the last two on a 2 out homer by Cody Ransom!! And then the Phillies won it in extras. Actually they won the first three games in extras and then won the fourth game 1-0.

by CRay on Jul 16, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cody Ransom eh.

I thought he played CF for us, along with Corby Ramirez, Chucho Ramos, Corderio Rivaldez, etc. etc.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jul 16, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

yep

they’ve now have had two of those this year (also in May vs. Atlanta).

by CRay on Jul 16, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, at least Jocketty has signed Russ Springer to save the day.

"When I gave up a grand slam to Pete LaCock," Bob Gibson said later, "I knew it was time to quit."

by The Classical on Jul 16, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

good to see that we just totally kicked ass last night

and Jay and Craig! oh my!

*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 16, 2010 12:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Bernie on Carp last night

In one of today’s Bytes:

Thursday night was classic Carpenter. It was a brutally hot and sticky night at Busch Stadium, and you could see the discomfort on Carpenter’s face. And you could see the obvious discomfort of Clayton Kershaw, the Dodgers’ terrific young starter. But it soon became apparent that this one was going to be, in large part, a test of pitching survival skills. Who would best endure the extreme conditions and win the battle? And in that scenario, you’d go with Carpenter every time. The sweat was pouring off Carpenter, and he kept gritting his teeth and flinging those cutters and curves and sinkers at the Dodgers. Carp is nutso. And I mean that in a positive way.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jul 16, 2010 12:32 PM EDT reply actions  

reality show

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 16, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

GRIT

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Jul 16, 2010 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tommy Lasorda at Browns reunion today

…per his Twitter. wow.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 16, 2010 1:35 PM EDT reply actions  

He only came to town

for Charlie Gitto’s….don’t let him fool you.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jul 16, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

the wow is for his twitter

the rest I figured out.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 16, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

magic.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 16, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know that, I'm just wondering how he can look through all these accounts

without having to follow them all and seeing it all on one page.

I am the Batman .
@CodeeG

by CodyG on Jul 16, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

magic.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 16, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

no.

unicorns rely on brute force and their threatening horns and hooves.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 16, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

One thing I've come to realize is this...

NEVER question where or how Y2S finds all this stuff, just go with it.

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.

by TBender on Jul 16, 2010 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

hmm, do I know where you live?

…never mind. just musing to myself.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 16, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

That depends.....

are you Flim?

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jul 16, 2010 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wait, you didn't send those guys in the black Lincoln to my house?

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.

by TBender on Jul 16, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

....dude, that wasn't me.

run!

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 16, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

that is a good reason, but no. I really don't have a twitter account.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 16, 2010 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

but now I know where to look if someone needs to burglarize fang.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 16, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

i should probably clarify that i'm kidding.

i don’t mind fang’s tweets at all

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jul 16, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

burn!

I am pleasantly pleased, thankyouverymuch

by mattyfrommo on Jul 16, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

is there any database online of batteries?

MLB, that is.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 16, 2010 1:38 PM EDT reply actions  

I dunno

but I bought these Radio Shack batters and put them into my guitar pedal last night and it was saying Low Batt message with new batteries. no more Radio Shack batteries for me

*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 16, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

*batteries, not batters heh

*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 16, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

did you put them in right?

I always do that

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 16, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

it probably wouldn't have even turned on if I put them in wrong

they were facing in the right directions. takes 6 batteries for this thing though. at least the batteries were only $10 for like 20 or 30 of ’em

*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 16, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

ya...RS batteries suck.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jul 16, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

nice link CodyG.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jul 16, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

ok, next question...

is there any way to view all the games sorted by date?

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 16, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wish BR wasn't so confusing

*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 16, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

they pulled up these stats on tv, so it must be coming from somewhere.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 16, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

last time Carpenter or Wainwright started (had to be started, b/c of COL last year)

with a battery mate other than Yadier Molina.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 16, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I seem to recall this, yes.

I was otherwise occupied when this aired, so I’m trying to hunt this puppy down.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 16, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

sudden urge to have a snowcone

cool, but I’m really hoping for some way to dig up batteries for Yadi, number of innings, games, maybe even that whole catcher ERA thing.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 16, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

ok, i'm brain dense today

where are the list of battery mates?

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 16, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

the best way to do that is to go to BR and click pitching splits for a season

and click yadi’s name where it will show the whole season. Not sure how you’re going to get his entire career.
2010

I am the Batman .
@CodeeG

by CodyG on Jul 16, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

well crap, it doesn't even tell me the IP just AB

well that was a waste of my time and perhaps your’s.

I am the Batman .
@CodeeG

by CodyG on Jul 16, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

knowing is half the battle

or something. thanks for looking.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 16, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why is BR so confusing at times?

And why can’t I find this?, it should be easy.
If you honestly want to know,then you should probably just go to each pitcher he caught and record it, because it’s unlikely it’s all on one page.

oh and if you want to know everyone he caught, just use the method I described that used AB instead of IP.

I am the Batman .
@CodeeG

by CodyG on Jul 16, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

it might be quicker to get someone to tweet at FSM and ask them.

and I don’t even have a twitter, it would still be faster.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 16, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

what's interesting

is that Carp has only thrown 1 inning to LaRue – am I reading that correctly?

by CRay on Jul 16, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes. and I remember exactly how awkward the looks on their faces were.

it was kind of hilarious.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 16, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

sucks for the Twins to face the white hot White Sox without Mourneau

in other news, concussions are scary business

*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 16, 2010 1:38 PM EDT reply actions  

The GoodReporter is rippin' us off...

no, not really. rookie platoon talk.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 16, 2010 1:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Rains should take a cue

fromDG aboot introducing useful stats to the public.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jul 16, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

he'll just do the usual and rip him off

then Strauss will tweet about #poachers.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 16, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Luhnow expects Cox to be a tough sign

And feels better about signing Wilson now than he did on draft night

Note: Poaches were likely in this article

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jul 16, 2010 2:15 PM EDT reply actions  

We will

read the direct quote. It’s no different than what Luhnow says every year referencing their top pick.

Silly humans, this world is for robots.

by azruavatar on Jul 16, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Arkansas' coach still thinks he'll sign

He said in yesterday’s paper he think only one 15th rounder of all the players drafted will be back with the team next year.

by ArkansasTravs on Jul 16, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

as long as we sign one of the 2 I'll be pretty stoked

both would be really nice, but that would probably be spending too much $?

*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 16, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

if we only sign one,

i hope its wilson. we’d get another draft pick if cox goes back to school.

"I throw him four wide ones then try to pick him off first base." - Preacher Roe on Stan Musial

by Shi on Jul 16, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ehh tough choice.

Top 10 talent in the 2010 draft for a lot of money, or a top 25 (Possibly another high talent guy with signability issues ala Shelby Miller, although unlikely) pick in next year’s much more talent draft.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Jul 16, 2010 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

you're failing to factor in the 1st round quality pick we would have signed from 2010 despite only having used a 12th round pick

"The outfield is deep and playing him straight-away, and the infield is the same, except first, second, third, and short are playing him to pull."
-Mike Shannon

by tehzachatak on Jul 16, 2010 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ottavino "doubtful"

If its really a SLAP tear, there is no way he pitches again this year. And they call him doubtful? Another example of what a joke their public prognoses are.

by redbirds34 on Jul 16, 2010 2:39 PM EDT reply actions  

who cares?

Really the public and the rest of the MLB don’t need his medical record.

by Evilfrog on Jul 16, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, I love it when companies I spend money on lie to me.

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Jul 16, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well we're entering some hazy legal territory about what they can actually say to the public.

But hey we’ll have that oil spill capped in a few days! /75 days ago

Silly humans, this world is for robots.

by azruavatar on Jul 16, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'd prefer the Reds not knowing

several months ago that we were down and starter and that it would be better for them to make a play for more pieces sooner rather than later.

by Evilfrog on Jul 16, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm really pissed that Volquez got

to serve his 50 on the DL.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jul 16, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed, so, so, so hard.

"The outfield is deep and playing him straight-away, and the infield is the same, except first, second, third, and short are playing him to pull."
-Mike Shannon

by tehzachatak on Jul 16, 2010 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, he has leverage, as a draft-eligible sophomore

But what he stand to gain? Not much. Seems like a clear bluff to me

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jul 16, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

brain growth which leads to less Alzheimers

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 16, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

The title is just hilarious

Lawrence Taylor did not rape teenager, wife says

Oh, well, if she says so…

by mojowo11 on Jul 16, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's a completely different set of values for some people.

They live their way, and we will live ours. I would guess that LT doing this sort of thing is common if his wife is defending him though.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Jul 16, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I win?

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jul 16, 2010 4:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Hm, just met Tom McNamara, who is the head of scouting here

He likes Robert Stock, but as a pitcher

They’re apparently in a similar situation as the Cards, where they can sign one of two guys (Zach Cox or Austin Wilson for us)

He said he’d compare Wilson to Jermaine Dye

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jul 16, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't imagine that they are too far from letting him get some innings pitching

Future MLB hitters don’t hit .206 .307 .265 in Low-A.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jul 16, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe he shouldn't be

And even then, at least he had a .140 ISO and jumped over .200 this year. Gimme the 95 mph reliever over a sub-.300 SLG as a 20 year old in Low-A.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jul 16, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

eh nothing special about a reliever who can throw 95, Stock's value is higher if he can

adjust at catcher, especially when considering he barely played the position in college.

I am the Batman .
@CodeeG

by CodyG on Jul 16, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

He played the position in college, and didn't hit there either

He hasn’t hit for 4 years now, and he’s in the process of REALLY not hitting.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jul 16, 2010 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think it's that simple

I’ve read a lot of reports that his swing is a mess. It’s likely that the Cardinals are in the process of completely rebuilding it, and of course he’s going to struggle.

Give him another year or two… at least he’s showing patience at the plate.

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jul 16, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

There's a difference between "struggling"

And “slugging .265”—-.265!

If someone can point to a big league regular who slugged .265 in a season in A-ball, I’ll be glad to change my opinion that he would have to show big improvement very fast (as in the remainder of this year) to be considered as having any shot at being a big league hitter.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jul 16, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I did not know he played in Quad Cities in 89.

I wonder if I ever saw him play.

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Jul 16, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

At least he was 18 in his 1st season out of HS and only in 35 games

If Stock continues this for the rest of the season as a 20 year old in Low-A…..it’s just not something future big leaguers do.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jul 16, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeesh

Random June/July SSS for Stock: .194/.236/.222 in 76 PAs.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jul 16, 2010 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

.265 slugging!

20 years old! Low-A! Didn’t hit in college!

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jul 16, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

The organization still likes him as a catcher

but they’ve been reworking his swing this year.

Silly humans, this world is for robots.

by azruavatar on Jul 16, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

If he's not a pitcher they probably don't draft him in the 2nd round

All I’m sayin is if he finishes the year with a .265 slugging in 400 PAs, we can then say he’s not a big league hitter AKA there’s not too much time left for this experiment.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jul 16, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

We don't know to what extent they're working on his swing

If you look at Shelby’s ERA, it’s ugly, but his peripherals are good, and it’s likely that they’re specifically working on his offspeed stuff

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jul 16, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well Joker's point is that you don't just (un)luck into a .265 slugging

He’s legitimately been terrible, unlike Shelby. I just question the relevancy 0f 200 bats in A ball at age 20.

by vivaelpujols on Jul 16, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not really a comparison

Shelby’s ERA is bad because his BABIP is high, which we’ve spent 8 years demonstrating is far less controlled by the pitcher than it is randomness. A .265 SLG is not luck.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jul 16, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

In 217 plate appearances? At age 20?

I certainly don’t think you can write him off just yet.

by vivaelpujols on Jul 16, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

The midwest league I believe is known as a pitchers league as well.

If that helps the argument, although I think I only remember that because Wallace hit like .340 in the league.

I am the Batman .
@CodeeG

by CodyG on Jul 16, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did Russell Branyan really injure himself

by stubbing his toe while opening the shades at the hotel?

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jul 16, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

why does this sound familiar?

hotel room mishaps…

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jul 16, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that story is basically right

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jul 16, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

"basically"

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jul 16, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

random thought

you sometimes make me wish i could start my life over and go be an intern for a baseball team. thanks.

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jul 16, 2010 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

well, there's this:

@hotstovedotcom #STLCards interested in #Marlins’ Uggla, D-Backs Johnson – http://bit.ly/9Ah7YU – #mlb

http://twitter.com/hotstovedotcom/status/18712916160

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jul 16, 2010 4:53 PM EDT reply actions  

you beat me to it

i wonder who the cards would trade for one of those guys. could the lud for johnson trade be back on?

by zoomzoomj88 on Jul 16, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

No way man. Get that out of here!

I think luddy means too much to this lineup n the clubhouse. Id be pissed to see him get traded for ugla or johnson

by mick311 on Jul 16, 2010 4:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

This is probably why Craig is up here.

They’re wanting to showcase the only real Egg we have that is close to MLB ready. Of course, if he doesn’t quit hitting the ball right at people, it’s not going to help much.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 16, 2010 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

We need to shift focus

to showcasing Aaron Miles.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jul 16, 2010 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes I would be ok with trading Miles for Johnson !!!

"I told myself from the very beginning: 'If he's going to throw a shutout, then he's going to tie,'" Wainwright said. "He was not going to beat me today."

by spfldbird on Jul 16, 2010 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

maybe some independent minor league team wants him...

if we got really lucky maybe we could get them to eat his salary. oh wait, never mind, that’d be like their operating budget. i hate miles.

"The outfield is deep and playing him straight-away, and the infield is the same, except first, second, third, and short are playing him to pull."
-Mike Shannon

by tehzachatak on Jul 16, 2010 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Craig is mostly up because Stav is hurt, honestly

If this was a big showcase dealio, Craig would probably be starting tonight, yeah?

by mojowo11 on Jul 16, 2010 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

really this would make me sad

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jul 16, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Trust me, this is harder than you think >_>

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jul 16, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Although my boss DID get drunk with Ryan Rowland-Smith, so there's that...

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jul 16, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

what makes it hard?

i think i have an advantage being a female and because he will be new in town and won’t know anyone

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jul 16, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Oh look at me, I'm a pretty girl la di da"

Showoff.

But seriously, it might work better if I were a pretty girl, but it’s just really hard to get access to the players… They stay to themselves a lot, and most of them have wives anyways

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jul 16, 2010 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think i would have a much easier time becoming friends with boog and bombs.

plus i got star struck that one time i was 3 feet away from ludwick, so….thats a problem

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jul 16, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

If I ever met Joey Bombslides, my proverbial panties would be off in 3 seconds

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jul 16, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

That's your in.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jul 16, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe.

There’s no guarantee Bombs would play in Arizona, though.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jul 16, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

If only Eric Byrnes was still there...

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jul 16, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know it's a ways away from Arizona

but schedule a vacation and go to spring training. I had a nice conversation with Bombs in Jupiter. It depends on how they are feeling that day, but they will stop and chat sometimes. Just like a normal person. Bombs is cool. Be still my heart. My husband thought it was cute.

"I told myself from the very beginning: 'If he's going to throw a shutout, then he's going to tie,'" Wainwright said. "He was not going to beat me today."

by spfldbird on Jul 16, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

RYAN FUCKING LUDWICK DOES NOT APPROVE

OF ALL THIS TRADE RYAN LUDWICK TALK!!!!

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jul 16, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

RFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 16, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

PREACH IT!!!

I am pleasantly pleased, thankyouverymuch

by mattyfrommo on Jul 16, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope not

"I told myself from the very beginning: 'If he's going to throw a shutout, then he's going to tie,'" Wainwright said. "He was not going to beat me today."

by spfldbird on Jul 16, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

No.

why do people think that teams that are in selling mode are going to want ludwick? if luddy is traded this season, it will be to a contender

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jul 16, 2010 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm going to say

Craig, Jay, and a bullpen arm. or maybe just one of those two guys and a bullpen arm

*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 16, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think it would probably take more than that

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jul 16, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

well

I was just thinking since he’s a rental might be able to get a deal done

*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 16, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

i guess it depends on how bad the fish want to move him.

but i think other teams might be willing to offer more. 2b is a really weak position this year

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jul 16, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think its more likely ryan gets moved

I think the cards are sick of him n he is out of options. id perfer they keep him though n then again the dbacks n fish don’t need a SS. But maybe they would want him as a def backup IF n we could pair him with craig or jay n a RP

by mick311 on Jul 16, 2010 5:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

hmmm

I don’t really see why they would trade Ryan when they are trying to get a 2B? are they going to play Greene at short then? I don’t see them being that confident in him yet

*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 16, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yea your right if they trade for a 2nd baseman

They prob wouldnt move him. But then again its not like ryan has been getting a ton of playing time lately anyway and once freese comes back lopez will eat up some time ar SS.

by mick311 on Jul 16, 2010 5:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

please, can you use the word "and"?

אנא טוני לא יותר ט.א.ס.ס

by chalk on Jul 16, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

That really depends on how much of a romantic you are, I think.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jul 16, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jay and craig for a half year of uggla? No way would I be down with that.

cards r going to eventually have to replace ludwick so I don’t see them giving up both of those guys in a deal

by mick311 on Jul 16, 2010 5:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

oh ok

duh. yeah, it would be tough to bring Luddy back next year. wait, when does he get a new contract? after this season or after ’11?

maybe he’d give the Cards a discount since he’s injured fairly often and other teams might not want to dive right in with a player that has injury history

*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 16, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's curly fry eligible for one more year......

Mo needs to lock him up for something like 3/21, or 4/24.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jul 16, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like that

*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 16, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

i don't know if they could do that

and have pujols’ contract (whenever they sign it). really i don’t know what the cards could do after they’d re-up apu.

by zoomzoomj88 on Jul 16, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

between Holliday and Pujols they would be more than a bit handcuffed. but who knows, it’s a long ways away really

*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 16, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

This needs to be posted again:
"This whole Cardinals thing, since I’ve been here, has been a life-changing thing for me," Ludwick said. "It’s a good feeling. I always wanted to prove I could play at this level, and I think I’ve done that. I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."

That was from the postgame after the game 4 NLDS loss.

RFL!!!!

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jul 16, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Game 4?

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jul 16, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

there was a lot of beer....

and hope for a game four. my bad.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jul 16, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

there's the other one in fanshots

check his tag

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 16, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've never searched tags....

how’s it work?

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jul 16, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

if you put Ryan Ludwick in search, he pops up on the sidebar

that’ll bring you to player page. the latest fanposts and fanshots will pop up. that’s the quickest for the player tags.

I’m not sure how to get the general tags via search, I usually just click on them at the posts.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 16, 2010 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh....that explains it...

I always search for Ryan Fucking Ludwick.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jul 16, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

i was about to say, hahah.

auuuugh, they changed the player pages! it only has stories now. there are no fanposts and fanshots.

LAME, SBN. LAMEEEEEE.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 16, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

ya...I don't see any FP or shot links.....

damn you SBN!

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jul 16, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

well I found it, but that does not bode well for other things...

I’ll keep saying it, operators of a site need to have their own backup… all it takes is one takeover by an evil overlord, and your shite is gone…

http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2009/10/11/1079900/everyone-in-here-comes-to-the-yard

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 16, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

just take the arb,I would rather go year-to-year on a contract with luddy when

he’s going to be entering his mid-30s and for a injury risk player he might not even play that many games. Also I think AC would good enough by that time to start for mucho cheapo.

I am the Batman .
@CodeeG

by CodyG on Jul 16, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

if they do that then they need to figure out a way to get some value for craig.

and by value i mean a young pitcher who can be a solid 4th/5th rotation guy.

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jul 16, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think ludwick still has one more year of arbitration

So I would think the cards would keep him one more year, esp if pujols isn’t signed before the season starts next year

by mick311 on Jul 16, 2010 5:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

freakin awesome

except, I worry how we would get either of those guys

*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 16, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Uhhh, Stephen Drew please!

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Jul 16, 2010 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'm listening to 101 espn

apparently the d’backs want 2 starters and a reliever that are ‘major league ready’ for haren. i’d love to bring haren back, but the price would be too steep.

by zoomzoomj88 on Jul 16, 2010 5:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Who doesn't want 2 starters and a reliever

that are MLB ready?

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jul 16, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

So they want three MLB pitchers for One MLB Pitcher?

Yeah, that’ll happen.

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Jul 16, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you're going to dream, go big.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 16, 2010 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not any worse than what Houston supposedly wants for Oswalt.

3 ML ready players and Oswalt’s full salary, IIRC.

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.

by TBender on Jul 16, 2010 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

And what dumbass is going to do that deal?

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 16, 2010 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ed Wade....wait...

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.

by TBender on Jul 16, 2010 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess stupidity just assumes that everyone is like them.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 16, 2010 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

we ain't gettin Haren

*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 16, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

ha yea who wouldnt want that?

Mo should call them with this just to fuck with them…..2 major league ready starters? I got Jeff Suppan and Kyle Lohse…oh wait u meant 2 starter position players? In that case I’ll give u 3: stavinoha,miles, and randy fuckin winn. Oh and a major league ready rp? Look no further than Evan Maclane….DO we have a deal?

by mick311 on Jul 16, 2010 5:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Excellent

I would send them Penny and Lohse and Franklin. All of them are about major league ready in their own way.

Just win

by The Duke on Jul 16, 2010 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

lineup

Lopez 3B, Rasmus CF, Pujols 1B, Holliday LF, Winn RF, Molina C, Schumaker 2B, Garcia P, Greene SS

by zoomzoomj88 on Jul 16, 2010 5:40 PM EDT reply actions  

When Craig PHes for him, Craig will be batting 5th!

I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons

by hazel on Jul 16, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

...Why is Winn 5th?

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jul 16, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

we don't have a player

that hits from the left and plays outfield on the bench….oh wait.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jul 16, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

but...but... winn got a hit last night!

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jul 16, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

in all fairness, considerign who we're starting

5th is actually hte best place for him unless you take colby out of the 2 hole

"The outfield is deep and playing him straight-away, and the infield is the same, except first, second, third, and short are playing him to pull."
-Mike Shannon

by tehzachatak on Jul 16, 2010 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eh

Could be worse. I’ll take it. Going to the game tonight (all-inclusive ticket that was FREE!!!). At least it aint a Suppan game

Silly humans, this world is for robots.

by azruavatar on Jul 16, 2010 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yea im gonna see garcia on wedsneday

Ive been to 13 games now this year and have only seen garcia once and he lost to milwaukee.

Lineup could be worse but now with stav out I think we can expect either miles or winn everyday until freese and luddy come back. If not it wouldnt be a larussa lineup. At least they aren’t both in! It is funny though Winn gets a single last night and now he’s hitting 5th.

by mick311 on Jul 16, 2010 5:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Where is The Chief Justice?

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jul 16, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

He recused himself.

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.

by TBender on Jul 16, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Looks good

I’d rather see Craig get the start but other than Winn, no complaints

by OCCardsFan on Jul 16, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

this just in

once a week bench players are going to a start on a TLR team.

by Evilfrog on Jul 16, 2010 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's days like this I wish we had Anderson up

I bet he hits better than Yadi at this point, and from the left side

by YesWeOquendo on Jul 16, 2010 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Holy shit

I forgot he was on the team earlier this year.

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Jul 16, 2010 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

i have an ankiel bobblehead and the head is HUGE

i dont know where it came from, it was a joke gift.

also, his face is orange

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jul 16, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are you sure it isn't

Jack Clark in an Ankiel jersey?

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jul 16, 2010 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

now that you mention it...

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jul 16, 2010 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Chris Snyder got a bobblehead?

Go Coogs!

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.

by TBender on Jul 16, 2010 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Dan Haren bobblehead makes me sad.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Jul 16, 2010 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is it him whiffing on another off-speed pitch?

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Jul 16, 2010 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

heh, he IS in mid-swing, so i assume so

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jul 16, 2010 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

They showed the Vince Coleman bbhead

on the broadcast last night. I am super excited number one!

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Jul 16, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

The gave out a whitey one like three years ago.

Do they really need to resort to reruns? How about a Tom Brunansky bobblehead?

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Jul 16, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

John Morris!

It would be awesome!

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.

by TBender on Jul 16, 2010 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gregg Jefferies!

I am pleasantly pleased, thankyouverymuch

by mattyfrommo on Jul 16, 2010 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bobblehead would be to scale.

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.

by TBender on Jul 16, 2010 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd assume Whitey is a do over

due to the upcoming HOF induction.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jul 16, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, his bobblehead is supposed to have a little HOF plaque with it

still would rather have the Vince bobblehead

I am pleasantly pleased, thankyouverymuch

by mattyfrommo on Jul 16, 2010 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Going to the VC game too...

Actually, that was like my 1st pick in our group season ticket lottery.

by goodymobb on Jul 16, 2010 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can someone translate the last part of this tweet for me?

I made a comment to Goold (about comparing Mo to Jocketty) about how Mo was in charge of a lot of the drafts during Walt’s reign, etc.

" That is a tricky point to make, and if we had more space it’s one I would have liked to explore. Mo was in charge, tough circ. too"

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jul 16, 2010 6:15 PM EDT reply actions  

circumstance?

still doesn’t really make sense though.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jul 16, 2010 6:16 PM EDT reply actions  

And reply fail, *.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jul 16, 2010 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

dodgers lineup

Furcal SS
Kemp CF
Ethier RF
Ramirez LF
Blake 3B
Loney 1B
Martin C
Carroll 2B
Billingsley P

by zoomzoomj88 on Jul 16, 2010 6:18 PM EDT reply actions  

I was going to laugh at Carroll

Then I see he has a .363 OBP the past 3 years. How do big league pitchers walk these guys with <.100 ISO’s this much?

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jul 16, 2010 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hell, even Miles can get walked.

It was Dontrelle Willis, but Aaron F. Miles can walk?

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Jul 16, 2010 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

IBB'd last night.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jul 16, 2010 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh yes, I remember

And I would still walk the pitcher if Aaron Miles was on deck with 2 outs.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Jul 16, 2010 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

SBN now makes me wish

that I knew how to figure out my BB messenger

I am pleasantly pleased, thankyouverymuch

by mattyfrommo on Jul 16, 2010 6:25 PM EDT reply actions  

I've had a blackberry for three years now.

Still no idea how the messenger thing works.

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Jul 16, 2010 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

One guy and I try like once a month

it puts our requests in pending then they disappear. Spooooooookyyyyyy.

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Jul 16, 2010 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think it only works

on a small% of blackberries

I am pleasantly pleased, thankyouverymuch

by mattyfrommo on Jul 16, 2010 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Download the newest version through the App World.

Hopefully that’ll fix your problem.

Regression, bitches.

by spants on Jul 16, 2010 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

me too

*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 16, 2010 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

the sbn thing isn't what I thought it was

but still

hey, I got the messenger running, and my pending contact has disappeared.

/blackberried!

I am pleasantly pleased, thankyouverymuch

by mattyfrommo on Jul 16, 2010 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Watching this Strasburg thing on ESPN

Gives me anticipatory anger for the next time I hear someone bitch about “millions for someone who has never played in the big leagues!” 20,000 extra fans a start at 30 bucks a ticket is 600k, plus parking, concessions and merchandise—-and that’s before we start talking about the marginal value on the wins he provides.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jul 16, 2010 6:30 PM EDT reply actions  

boras, a dick?

no way!

I am pleasantly pleased, thankyouverymuch

by mattyfrommo on Jul 16, 2010 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

To hold out to the deadline that bundles of picks hold out to every year?

I think it was dickish of the Nationals to try to keep Strasburg in the minors juuuuuust long enough to not be a Super 2.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jul 16, 2010 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

and i think everyone that holds out to the deadline is a dick.

and the nationals made a smart choice for their organization to keep him in the minors as to not get him to super 2. that’s the way it works sometimes. and you’re going to call me out for having a double standard, of which i really have no argument to. i guess i lose.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 16, 2010 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, only a real jerk would want to earn market value at their job.

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Jul 16, 2010 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

All pre-arb players in the majors are being paid wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy under market value

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jul 16, 2010 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's more about precedent then anything else

pitchers who just got drafted don’t get contracts like strasburg did. they never have.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 16, 2010 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

You realize you side with greedy billionares rather than greedy hundred thousandaires

because “that’s the way it is”, right?

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Jul 16, 2010 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

So someone who stands up to something that isn't right is a dick?

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Jul 16, 2010 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Commie!

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Jul 16, 2010 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

But he is.

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Jul 16, 2010 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes...

but is he THAT much better that he gets a contract like he did compared to a contract that someone with 80% of the hype would get. i don’t think so.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 16, 2010 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'm not arguing that he hasn't earned his contract

i’m arguing about the way he went about getting that contract in the first place.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 16, 2010 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

by being the best draftee available

and having an aggressive agent?

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jul 16, 2010 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

You need to watch The Wire.

Getting yours makes more sense after understanding the drug game.

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Jul 16, 2010 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

He held out because the Nationals didn't want to pay him what he though he deserved to be paid

I can guarantee you that if Strasburg put himself on the free agent market, he would have been signed for over 50 million.

by vivaelpujols on Jul 16, 2010 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

fair enough.

i’ll give this up. i’m fighting a losing battle anyway.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 16, 2010 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Inflation + being one of the best pitching prospects ever will do that

Don’t be mad at him. Don’t be mad at Boras… It’s the system put in place by owners that you should be mad at

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jul 16, 2010 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

okay, but pre-arb players are only underpaid relative to free agents

Who the hell says that players should all be making 5 million per win. Before Marvin Miller players were making shit, but now they have to be considered overpaid,.

by vivaelpujols on Jul 16, 2010 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

inflation has literally close to nothing to do with it

and like i said above, i never said the system put in place by the owners is “good” or “right”, i’m just saying that’s the way it has been for a long time.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 16, 2010 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't mean economic inflation, I mean salary inflation

The #1 pick is generally going to make more than the #1 pick before him, unless it’s a shitty signability pick

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jul 16, 2010 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

sigh...

you just reminded me of the rams sam bradford situation. that guy is going to be 60 million dollars richer in about 48 hours without having played an nfl down. now that is just plain wrong.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 16, 2010 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey, you could have stuk it out with Bulger.

He was an All-Pro, you know.

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Jul 16, 2010 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

bulger was an absolute STUD when he had his weapons

he just needs time in the pocket and not scott linehan. and after 2004, that wasn’t the case for him.

bulger is still the most accurate quarterback i’ve ever watched. better then warner. seriously.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 16, 2010 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jason Marquis was really good in 2004, too.

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Jul 16, 2010 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

They were both good six years ago

and they both suck now!

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Jul 16, 2010 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

See what kind of lines vegas has for him

and throw $5 down. Could make a lot of money on it.

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Jul 16, 2010 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'm not a big fan of the nfl teams

giving rookies who haven’t played a snap a $60M contract with $40M guaranteed. you never know if the #1 guy will be the next ryan leaf, jamarcus, etc.

by zoomzoomj88 on Jul 16, 2010 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

it sucks

they need a rookie salary cap like fat kids needs cake.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 16, 2010 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nah

Every player who signs gets waaaaaaay below what he’s worth.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jul 16, 2010 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

come on now.

do you really think sam bradford should be a 55-millionaire before playing an NFL down?

by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 16, 2010 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh the NFL

I wasn’t paying attention.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jul 16, 2010 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

The NHL system is where it's at

Though I’d probably tweak it for the NFL. 2 year entry level contract out of the draft hard slotted to your draft position, after 2 years you are a restricted free agent where other teams can sign you to an offer sheet with increasing draft pick compensation depending on salary. 5 years, you are unrestricted FA.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jul 16, 2010 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

i completely agree

the nhl has the best system, hands down. props to you for knowing that, sir.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 16, 2010 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that's definitely not true in the NFL

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jul 16, 2010 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Once again:

Not the team’s fault. Nor the players. Both are trying to maximize their utility

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jul 16, 2010 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I would pray to god that I don't get a top 5 pick in the draft.

It’s just not financially prudent, especially when the number one pick is a guy with a history of shoulder injuries from sacks (Which he will experience consistently).

And I still believe Clausen will be a better QB in 2-3 years anyway, and he was drafted waaay later (Especially since he will have a great RB core, an all-pro receiver, and a decent defense. Then again, the receiver is injured, and they really have no other options in that area. It’s may be a tougher year for Clausen. Ok, that’s enough Notre Dame homer talk for now.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Jul 16, 2010 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I mean I know there's homerism

But when one guy is the #1 overall pick, and the other guy is a mid-2nd rounder, doesn’t it become obvious who has more potential right now?

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jul 16, 2010 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

You never know.

Maybe it was his attitude that made teams shy away from him (Star QB’s don’t get punched in restaurants every day you know), or perhaps his turf toe that he played with during the entire year, limited what the could show to scouts watching him, making him seem like a lower ceiling guy.

But right now? I probably do like Bradford more (I think he properly healed his shoulder if I remember correctly) at this point, but I would like to see a few games with Clausen healthy before I give up the prediction.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Jul 16, 2010 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Remember that old saying that baseball is a business?

Well, to be as cliche as possible, yes it is. Why would they possibly want to give him another arbitration year, when he could (And probably will, barring injury) earn the highest amount ever awarded in an arbitration bid? That would be very bad for the Nations financially if they really want to compete. I can see Strasburg in his last arbitration year earning 20 million.

However, the arbitration system is pretty lame. I really wish they would come up with some other system, because arbitration, more often than not, it seems, screws over the players more than the teams in my view. (To be fair though, it’s not as bad as the NBA salary system, which is one of the shittiest out there, but that is for another blog I suppose).

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Jul 16, 2010 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right

It’d be dumb for them to let him be a Super 2, it’d be dumb for Strasburg to not push for the most money possible which includes pushing it to the deadline.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jul 16, 2010 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't disagree with you at all there (Huzzah double negative)

Just the system we live in, and one in which many teams that are financially strapped (Like the Nationals, Marlins, A’s, etc.) are very good at.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Jul 16, 2010 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

It looks good.

Then again, I like most Fincher movies.

Regression, bitches.

by spants on Jul 16, 2010 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

sorry

but i don’t care about george steinbrenner

get on with the game

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jul 16, 2010 6:56 PM EDT reply actions  

That's Saint Steinbrenner now.

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Jul 16, 2010 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

i don't have a problem with that

i have a problem with espn constantly showing stuff about steinbrenner, sheppard, etc.

by zoomzoomj88 on Jul 16, 2010 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wait...

ESPN? East-Coast Bias? Huh? You’re joking!

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Jul 16, 2010 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

not the kind of moronity that is going to hurt anything, though

(assuming i know what the whole article says based on the URL)

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jul 16, 2010 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Quotes!
"I can’t explain it," Yost said. "There’s no explanation for it. You look at some guys and they may be 15-2 on Saturday. I don’t know why Banny pitches better in the day than the night.

"But you try to play the percentages in anything you do," Yost continued. "Percentage-wise, it’s in our favor."

by vivaelpujols on Jul 16, 2010 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

...I honestly did not know that Ned Yost was manager of the Royals

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jul 16, 2010 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

He patted me on the back today!

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jul 16, 2010 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

what are the odds

you get a full-time job with the Ms out of this?

that’d be pretty sweet if you were to end up in scouting and development or something

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jul 16, 2010 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure. I think I'm gonna go in to talk to the head of HR next week

about what I need to do to make myself an attractive target of baseball ops departments around the nation. I’ve talked to a couple of the guys in that department, and they seem to like me okay (Tom McNamara fist bumped me!). Plus, I have an impending lunch with Jeff Kingston

Maybe 20%?

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jul 16, 2010 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, I'll be a senior next year

I have the ability to graduate early, but the only way I’m doing that is if the Mariners offer me a job to start working in January

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jul 16, 2010 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

you know what i really hate?

proof-based trig identities

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jul 16, 2010 7:08 PM EDT reply actions  

i was having such a good day

and then i got to be pissed off my whole bike ride home

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jul 16, 2010 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

sabbathia

looks like he’s wearing pajamas

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jul 16, 2010 7:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Does seeing a pitcher more often benefit the batter, the hitter, or neither?

There is SOME value that Winn has seen Billingsley before… that doesn’t mean that he’s a better hitter than Jay, but it has some intangible value

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jul 16, 2010 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

i would imagine

the advantage goes to the batter. i think the first, second, third time through the lineup suggests as much (while ignoring fatigue, etc)

i just don’t think that decisions should be based off of 25 AB samples especially when they extend back to a different part of said hitter (and pitcher’s) carer. also when it results in the better hitter(s!) getting bench in favor of this logic

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jul 16, 2010 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

he has 31 PAs!

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jul 16, 2010 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

...Well that's just completely unsubstantiated

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jul 16, 2010 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wait....

Zoomzoom? Unsubstantiated evidence on players and coaches, including his hatred for Lopez? Implausible!

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Jul 16, 2010 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lopez (and the entire bullpen)*

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jul 16, 2010 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh get over it already

bench players are going to start some times. Might as well do it against guys who they have hit.

All managers do this. Tony maybe a little more than others. But it’s nothing worth crying over.

by Evilfrog on Jul 16, 2010 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rasmus -> top 15 trade value

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/2010-trade-value-15-11/#comments

Don’t think he should be behind Braun. And Pujols is only 22nd. I understand the point, but I doubt they are 21 players who teams would decline to trade straight up for Pujols.

by vivaelpujols on Jul 16, 2010 7:22 PM EDT reply actions  

braun is locked up on the cheap

colby might end up being the better hitter, but i wouldn’t bank on such a team-friendly contract

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jul 16, 2010 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Okay, but Colby is

10: .4
11: .4
12: 1st year arb, let’s say 5
13: 2nd year arb, let’s say 8
14: 3rd year arb, let’s say 12

And Colby is a better player than Braun IMO. Braun’s hitting has gotten worse each year and his fielding is still shit.

by vivaelpujols on Jul 16, 2010 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

YOURE NOT GIVING AWAY MY WATERPICK!!!

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Jul 16, 2010 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

5/26

or 8/45?

i guess they’re similar

i just want mo to get colby done already. this should have been taken care of last winter. 6/36 with two vesting option years

that would lock colby up for as long as we’ll want him with minimal risk

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jul 16, 2010 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Okay, but going forward, it's not 8/45 for Braun

From 2011 on it’s 5/40, compared to 4/25 for Rasmus.

I agree that Mo should get the fuck on extending Colby, while he’ still underrated.

by vivaelpujols on Jul 16, 2010 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think we should give him Longoria's contract.

They both have the same agent!

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Jul 16, 2010 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eh

Braun’s wOBA went up last year, hasn’t been great this year but he’s a 5 WAR player in hand, still not entirely sure Colby is gonna reach that as of now, maybe next year or year after. Also not entirely sure Braun is really that bad in LF, he looks pretty athletic to me.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jul 16, 2010 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Braun's career wOBA is ~ .400

His career UZR/150 in LF is -8, DRS and TZ have him around the same. That’s adds up to 5 WAR per 700 PA.

If we call Rasmus a +5 fielder in center, he’d need to have a .360 wOBA to be as good as Braun. I think he could easily manage that this year and going forward. If you call Braun an average defender, Rasmus needs to wOBA around .375, which is still well within his projection.

Braun is also going to be 28 and heading out of his prime, while Rasmus is going to be 25 and heading right into it.

by vivaelpujols on Jul 16, 2010 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here!

WAR =

offense runs above average +
defense runs above average +
positional runs above average +
replacement runs +
baserunning/intangibles/anything else you want to try to quantify

All divided by 10.

Figuring out offense runs above average is (wOBA – lg wOBA)/1.15 * PA. Defense runs above average is just whatever you wanna guess at using UZR or whatever. Positional adjustement is + 2.5 runs for 2B, 3B, CF, +7.5 runs for SS, +12.5 runs for CA, -7.5 runs for LF/RF, -12.5 runs for 1B

Replacement level is +22.5 runs.

by vivaelpujols on Jul 16, 2010 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

wild joe jibbles

hopefully i can remember that so i can search for it when i need it

thanks

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jul 16, 2010 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

08:$0.455M, 09:$0.745M, 10:$1M, 11:$4M, 12:$6M, 13:$8.5M, 14:$10M, 15:$12M

08:$0.455M, 09:$0.745M, 10:$1M, 11:$4M, 12:$6M, 13:$8.5M, 14:$10M, 15:$12M

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jul 16, 2010 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

second time was the charm there

אנא טוני לא יותר ט.א.ס.ס

by chalk on Jul 16, 2010 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

the second one was supposed to be the URL

i guess i fail at ctrl + c

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jul 16, 2010 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's not better than Cameron's #6

The Seattle Mariners

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jul 16, 2010 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

SBN'd

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jul 16, 2010 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I meant to reply to your initial post, not this one

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jul 16, 2010 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

the hell

is a front door cutter, rays color guy?

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jul 16, 2010 7:27 PM EDT reply actions  

what is the glove side of the plate

a back door [insert breaking ball type] is one that just peeks on on the outside corner

front door is what? right over the middle and cuts to the inside corner?

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jul 16, 2010 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would say that

It’s a pitch that works like this: A RHP throws to the LH side of the plate and it breaks away from RHB and in on LHB, but only catches the front corner and breaks off.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 16, 2010 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

the timetable was posted here earlier. I think it's hit the P-D already.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 16, 2010 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

So I talked to you all yesterday about tickets that I was looking to get rid of...

My noble plan to give them to a charity if all else failed failed. My wife had some people at work that bought 4 of the 6 yesterday and somebody else was supposed to get the last 2 but never called back. The timing meant that I just now found out that I had to get rid of them (kinda last minute to try the charity thing). Still though I would rather the seats didn’t stay empty and so I am offering them to anybody who is interested. I will be at the game so I can either leave them at will call, or meet at a gate to make an exchange. They are in Section 435A Row 5 Seats 7&8 and I am asking 20 bucks a piece (plus you get to meet me).

When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."

by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 16, 2010 7:45 PM EDT reply actions  

well i gotta go and do some grilling...

but i will check back later. send me a message if anybody decides that they want the tickets.

When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."

by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 16, 2010 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

So according to Motte in the pregame show he is a legitimate savant

He can remember all the lyrics to a song after hearing it only once

That man ain’t right

by YesWeOquendo on Jul 16, 2010 7:50 PM EDT reply actions  

When Kershaw was pulled yesterday TLR pulled Craig

okay, fair enough

So when Billingsley gets pulled tonight, will TLR do the same and put in Jay/Craig?

FWIW, I actually expect him to.

by YesWeOquendo on Jul 16, 2010 8:00 PM EDT reply actions  

that's the goofiest pic of Holliday I've ever seen

*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 17, 2010 11:26 AM EDT reply actions  

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