When We Last Saw The Cardinals
by DanUpBaby on Jul 15, 2010 6:00 AM EDT
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The second half of the season is set to begin in a particularly evocative way: Chris Carpenter, wounded ace, versus Clayton Kershaw, the kind of tier-one pitcher certain tier-one Cardinals have had trouble hitting in 2010. (The good news about this split, incidentally, and the reason to distrust it: Albert Pujols's sOPS+ against power/finesse types is 257, and Matt Holliday's 74. While worrying about Pujols's performance against the very best have you found yourself wondering what it is Holliday finds mystifying about pitchers who leave no strong impression on you at all?)
A list of trends stopped dead by the All-Star Break, here for our re-edification—Previously, on Happy Days:
- Tom Bosley taught Kyle Lohse that necking just because all the other guys are doing it isn't fair to his best girl—or himself.
- Chris Carpenter fought an alien with jukebox magic, and then fired the producer who greenlit that script. Under his Thalbergianly strict direction Happy Days became, again, a single-camera look at the bygone culture of the fifties.
- On TV's You've Got To See It Tyler Greene jumped over 14 trash cans in front of Arnold's Diner, a new world's record. "It's no big deal," he said, afterward, "I had a running start."
- Jon Jay was hitting .500/.536/.846, with three doubles and two home runs. His career high in home runs is 12; now he has seven between AAA and the majors. But the most impressive thing is that he has 22 doubles in 2010, one lower than his career high in 2009—in 300 fewer plate appearances. I feel like a jerk saying this while he's hitting .377 and slugging .594 in the major leagues, but I'm still not convinced he's a starter, especially on a team playing Colby Rasmus. But as a fourth outfielder on a team with a fragile third outfielder, he's been a Felipe Lopez-class safety net.
- Matt Holliday and Albert Pujols have eight home runs and 18 RBI in 86 at-bats. Neither's hitting for his usual average, but the Cardinals will take matching 1.000+ OPSes however they can get it.
- Five of the Cardinals' regulars have an OPS well over the team's extremely average .257/.307/.436 line for July, and Felipe Lopez's .737 OPS counts as the sixth. The team's problem is what those other players are doing: Skip Schumaker, Nick Stavinoha (who's made six starts), Yadier Molina, and Brendan Ryan are hitting .132 in 91 at-bats, 27% of the team's total. They've driven in six runs and scored six times themselves. The Cardinals would like Skip Schumaker and Brendan Ryan (0-16) to start hitting again; they need David Freese to return to the field and Tyler Greene to keep hitting. They also need Yadier Molina to figure out what turned him back into 2006 Yadier Molina three years after becoming an adequate Major League hitter.
- If you take a look at the Cardinals' pitching splits for the month you'll notice what seems to me to be an excessively divided set of ERAs, one that has a lot in common with their hitting struggles: The top five pitchers by ERA have allowed eight runs in 45.1 innings, for an ERA of 1.59. (They're all individually under 2.00.) Next on the list is Blake Hawksworth, who's got a 3.86 ERA on the month. After him, the lowest ERA is 6.23, courtesy Dennys Reyes; all told the worst six performers have allowed 29 earned runs for an ERA of 10.88.
- Worst on the list is Chris Carpenter. Carpenter's numbers, aside from the runs and the hits (18 in nine innings) don't look as bad on Baseball-Reference as they did over the course of his two July starts, and considering his ERA+ after both of them stands at 123 (in the year of the pitcher!) the eulogies have seemed, to me, premature. He could absolutely be hurt, and if he is the Cardinals are in trouble; but if he's not, this trouble spot is the Chris Carpenter who struck out 10 batters in two consecutive starts two months ago.
All these storylines will fade as the month marches on; that we ended up stuck on them for a few days is a quirk of the schedule.
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And I would add: Garcia's IP
he threw 37 last year, had surgery, and is at 99+ now.
Possibly another reason to look for SP help.
"They're so stunned they didn't even boo!"
John Rooney 5/3/10 referring to Philly fans on Cards 5-run 7th inning
something about that timeline doesn't sound right.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
on the DL
JoeStrauss Lot of vagueness re: injuries at Busch today, even by players. Best guesses: Lud’ close, Raz’ ready, Freese 2 weeks; Lohse ahead, Penny??? about 8 hours ago via Echofon
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
2 weeks?
What’d they do amputate and graft a foot?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
[shakes magic eight ball]
Signs point to yes.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 15, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I do roster management too!
mwahaha.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Also, trainers say that beat reporter joe strauss (ego) has a condition that will likely be permanent.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
by tom s. on Jul 15, 2010 11:19 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 3 recs
they've tried everything, but the swelling continues.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 15, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
accompanied
by an unexplained shriveling
Carry the battle to them. Don't let them bring it to you. Put them on the defensive and don't ever apologize for anything.
by giveml on Jul 15, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Tonight
is possibly the game that will determine the course of the rest of the season. If Carp puts up another Kyle Lohse-like performance, he’s clearly in denial that he’s hurt. If he puts up a Good Carp game, then Duncan was right, it was a mechanical problem, and this team will be able to soldier on.
I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t nervous the closer to game time.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Jul 15, 2010 9:12 AM EDT reply actions
DUN DUN DUN
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.
well then i like our chances!
Rasmus can hit lefties
cardinalred
St. Louis Sports blog
by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 15, 2010 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
thank you
*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 16, 2010 2:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Just Stay Afloat...
…until Cowlick and Tasty get back in the line-up, and say 10,000 novenas that Carp has no arm/shoulder/hand/wrist/neck/back/luggage tag issues. But we mooost find a solid starter behind Garcia and in front of Hawk – Soup is just not cutting the mustard.
:=8/
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
Off topic a bit
but in the Triple-A All-Star Game, our Memphis Redbirds duo held themselves well. Brandon Dickson, one inning, one hit, one strikeout; Fernando Salas, two strikeouts and a hit in 2/3rds of an inning.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Jul 15, 2010 9:40 AM EDT reply actions
Salas looked Isringhausenian
Struck out the first two guys on 6 pitches, then went 0-2 on the next guyy- 6 swinging strikes in 8 pitches, total- before he threw a couple of balls off the plate and then grooved a fastball for a bloop hit to LCF. his knuckle curve was prtetty much untouchable.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
Be careful with the use of Izzy as an adjective
I still have memories of bad Izzy and they are not good.
born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red
it's all the surfers
Matt Holliday hates surfers
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
Scott Boras comes to all those games.
Matt always has this weird uncertain look on his face.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
His glove turns to sand
Like the bat in the commercial?
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jul 15, 2010 11:16 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
A year or two ago
Goold did a column on whether Holliday’s hitting was Coors Field related. What he said was “no” but that Matt didn’t hit in any of the West Coast cities, where of course he had to play a lot being in the NL West at that time. I don’t think he’s hit much in those cities last year or this year while with the Cards. So it’s not only playing defense in LA that Matt doesn’t like.
yikes.
so we need a guy to hit on the left coast to cover for Matty? hmm. there’s always Boog.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 15, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Aaron Miles
His grit is even grittier in California.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Jul 15, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
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i’m surprised, in a way, that votto hates the cubs that much. how could he not hate the cardinals like that? the cards are right behind them in the central right now, and have been a powerhouse in the division for a long time.
I think the whole divisional rivalry thing should take a backseat at the All-Star game.
If you are that caught up in trying to maintain a rivalry, you’re not soaking up the All-Star experience.
I think for a night or two, one could get on board with league camaraderie.
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 15, 2010 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions
WWGD
(What Would Gibby Do?)
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Something similar, or worse?
Doesn’t make it right though.
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 15, 2010 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't think it makes it wrong, either.
What is “league camaraderie”? Or, is it more “All-Star camarderie”? I don’t really care if they like one another or not or why so long as they play hard and play to win since homefield advantage in the World Series is on the line.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
One might argue that the term "All-Star" reflects a player's atittude and way of playing the game
as much as it does skill and statistics.
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 15, 2010 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
I can't tell if you are joking.
This isn’t the Hall of Fame; it’s the All-Star Game. As a fan, sure, you can vote for whatever players you want. You can vote for the All-Nice team, if you want. Fine with me. But, if I’m choosing up sides with homefield advantage in the World Series on the line, I’m taking the best players. I’m taking Chris Carpenter. I’m taking Joey Votto. Because I want to win.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
To each his own, I guess.
All I’m saying is that it is complete bullshit to say that a player who is intense, focused, and competitive during a regular season game will be the same way at an All-Star game. There’s playing to win the game and there’s being a dick. And any player who would adopt Votto’s approach to fellow All-Star teammates is a dick.
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 15, 2010 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Not all fellow all star teammates
just the Cub ones, and there was only one Cub one. Perhaps he just doesn’t like Marlon Byrd or had a bad experience with Cub players and fans in Chicago.
Now you’re putting words in his mouth.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
A fellow All-Star teammate.
Sorry.
Thanks for keeping me honest.
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 15, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm not saying Joey Votto isn't a dick;
I’m saying that I don’t care whether or not Joey Votto is a dick. We have no idea why Votto feels the way he does.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
did I read it wrong, or didn't he explain why he felt that way?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 15, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
...
“I don’t like the Cubs,” Votto said. "And I’m not going to pat anybody with a Cubs uniform on the back.
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 15, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
y'know, it *is* bizarre that he doesn't hate the Cardinals. I mean... uh. it's not like the cubbies are out to get him.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 15, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
maybe we should consult BCB and find out how it's all Wrigley's fault.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 15, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
dun dun dun!!
by the way, i have more notes for your notebook. they’re probably all marked “dun dun dun”.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 15, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
He is Canadian-ish.
Fear of bears maybe?
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 15, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe he does hate the Cards
but kept his mouth shut about it after he encountered Carp’s luggage glare.
Or just because he was well outnumbered.
I'm out of champagna. How about some 7-Up and Mad Dog 20/20?
by The Continental on Jul 15, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm extremely curious now.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 15, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
that would explain it
I personally don’t think it would excuse it, especially with the current Cardinals being quite comfortable with sharing the dugout.
unless he’s secretly disgusted with the Cardinals for being so friendly? and he hates the lack of rivalry so much, he has to show them how it’s done? hmmmmm.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 15, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd like to have Joey Votto on my team
If he feels that way about the Cubs. You can’t help but love a guy who wants to stick in the ass of the other team every time he plays them. How is that NOT awesome?
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Quick note...
If he feels that way about the Cubs. You can’t help but love a guy who wants to stick in the ass of the other team every time he plays them. How is that NOT awesome?
If he’s going to stick another team in the arse, he should probably ensure that Carl Everett isn’t around.
"When I gave up a grand slam to Pete LaCock," Bob Gibson said later, "I knew it was time to quit."
by The Classical on Jul 15, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
So, Votto hates the Cubs?
It’s a shame we have a certain 30 year-old, past his prime Hombre blocking his acquisition. Sounds like a quality upstanding citizen who has his priorities straight to me.
Also, Marlon Byrd has a permanent shit-eating grin on his face. That’s one reason he annoys me.
"When I gave up a grand slam to Pete LaCock," Bob Gibson said later, "I knew it was time to quit."
by The Classical on Jul 15, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
So what does Ray Fosse getting blown up by Pete Rose reflect?
Because that happened in an All-Star game. Hell, Gibson used to THROW AT GUYS in the ASG if he thought they were crowding him at the plate. Perhaps Votto is pissed off because he knows that all the Cubs voted for Derrek Lee for the ASG. I don’t know, but if I was leading the league in homers and OPS and had to count on a last ditch fan vote to get me in the ASG, I’d probably be pretty pissed off too.
I like the way Votto plays the game.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Fosse and Rose were on opposing teams, no?
Much different than refusing to congratulate a teammate for making a heads-up play.
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 15, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn't have put it past Rose...
…to find a way to run into and cripple his own catcher if he could make a buck off it.
Agreed
I’d like to see more of this type of attitude actually. There’s something to be said for despising a division rival. The best sports rivalries are like that. The Cowboys and Redskins used to hate each other. Same with the Bears and Packers, Celtics and Lakers, Bulls and Pistons, etc.
There’s too much money and camaraderie in pro sports nowadays. If Joey Votto wants to hate the Cubs, I think thats perfectly fine with me. If the Red Sox want to hate the Yankees, and vice versa, I don’t have a problem with that — it makes the game more fun to watch and I think players perform better.
That’s why I like Pedro Martinez so much. He’s a throwback — he doesn’t give a shit what you think about him or his haircut, or his attitude on the mound. If you crowd the plate, he’s going to throw at you. He hit Derek Jeter probably more times than I can count when he pitched for Boston. I’m fine with Votto being that way — he’s out to win baseball games, not shake hands and make friends.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
"he’s out to win baseball games"
well…except the allstar game…
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
Let's say you hate some guy at a rival company to the one you work for
You’re always going after the same clients, he’s always trying to steal your clients, etc.
Then, one night, he shows up to fill in on your softball team because he happens to be a friend of a guy you play with. Are you shaking his hand and “letting bygones be bygones” for that 90 minutes? I’m sure not — I’m putting up with his shit for that 90 minutes and then going back to hating his guts.
Why should the ASG be any different?
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Described her ideas in a bit too much detail.
I'm out of champagna. How about some 7-Up and Mad Dog 20/20?
by The Continental on Jul 15, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
If he makes some stellar game saving play bet your ass
I’m cheering for him….then again I’m an adult…sans failed deadspin failed hookup stories.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
especially if his stellar play means you get a raise.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
Excremently!!
I love players who hate other players merely because of the team they are on! It makes them seem human, like me. Like how I detest Ryan Sandberg for no other reason than his team and always spell his name the right way just to piss off Cubs fans.
I, for one, didn’t think any players even gave a shite about what team they were on. It’s nice to see.
by QuadCitiesCardsFan on Jul 15, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't think it's hypocritical to cut players slack
if they win games. in that particular game, Votto went oh-fer. Byrd contributed in high leverage situations on both sides of the plate.
all these examples of “old school tough guys” are all guys who have sustained success. they’re Hall of Famers. I’m not saying it’s an excuse or a free pass, but next to McCann, Marlon Byrd won the effin’ game that day. why not shake his hand?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 15, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
if he feels that strongly about it, shake the man's hand and then make a show of washing his hands
(with the official sanitizer of the St. Louis Cardinals!)
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 15, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
He didn't just of 0-fer
he literally saw two pitches in 2 PA, right?
I'm out of champagna. How about some 7-Up and Mad Dog 20/20?
by The Continental on Jul 15, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
I think that is what makes it galling.
It’s the 21st Century. whatever they used to do, today if you don’t have game, don’t open your mouth. Granted, Votto is hot sheeet right now, but he wasn’t in that game — which is the context. it’s his teammate for the night, and moreso because of the ridiculous “this time it counts” thing. it wasn’t that way in the days of Gibson. back then, they were his rivals 24-7 and there was very little chance of them changing teams. unlike today.
in other words, with the Reds in first, Marlon Byrd is busy winning him some potential home field advantage. there’s something to be said for old school, but in context it rather reeks of wtf.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 15, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
So, if Votto hits a home run, that makes it okay?
I don’t see why anyone would be offended by this. It doesn’t matter if Joey Votto won’t point at a Cub when he makes a play or won’t talk to a Cub during batting practice. What’s more, if this were a Chris Carpenter quote, I suspect we’d be celebrating it.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I'd be remarking that Carpenter needs to figure out when to turn it on and when to turn it off.
But Carpenter didn’t say it.
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 15, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
no we wouldn't.
Albert would kick his ass. I guarantee you, Albert would kick his ass.
Chris Carpenter is the one who immediately apologized via the first base coach after his biggest blowup in Arizona. there is not a magical double standard here.
and there is a difference between saying if Votto helps win the game that makes it okay, and Votto helps win the game and we don’t care. if you’re arguing that you don’t care, we’re demonstrating why we do.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 15, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
and like I said -- context, context, context.
this is a game that matters to the Reds. so he’s gonna diss a guy who helps win it? doesn’t matter what his reasons are, that’s gonna raise eyebrows.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 15, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
that's like dissing John Smoltz because he was a Brave
instead of shaking his hand for taking the mound that day against Houston.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 15, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
How?
I don’t see how it is in anyway similar to insulting a new member of your club. Votto said that he didn’t like another club and wasn’t going to pat any member of that club on the back for any reason. How is that in any way analogous to not welcoming a new member to your team?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I wasn't talking about a new member of the club.
dude…. the metaphor is explained. take it for what it is instead of complicating it.
‘cause if you complicate it, I can always say that they’re playing for the same team that day.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 15, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
...which they are.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 15, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
I know what you are saying,
but you are the one harping on “context, context, context.” No one shook Smoltz’s hand at an All-Star Game. No one shook Smoltz’s hand in Atlanta. No one shook Smoltz’s hand in Boston. Smoltz was given appreciation when he became a donned the Birds-On-Bat.
I don’t even know what we are arguing about. I don’t care if Votto is a Class A Jerk to every other All-Star. And I don’t care because he is good. I don’t care because I know he will play hard and give his all to win the All-Star Game. I didn’t vote for Joey Votto to be an All-Star because I think Pujols is the better player and it had nothing to do with who was the better person. Each and every one of us gets to vote on the starting lineups. Next year, don’t vote for Votto because he is a jerk. You can do that. I’ll vote for the player that I feel gives the NL the best chance to win, regardless if they are a jerk.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
uh, you would be wrong.
La Russa was quoted as saying that year and the season after the WS that he was grateful to Smoltz. while he was a Brave. it was notable enough that FSM did a whole feature on it before Smoltz was even signed last year.
If you don’t care, why do you keep replying? I keep explaining myself, you keep replying why it’s wrong.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 15, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Because likening apples to oranges bothers me.
Nonetheless, I’m done.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
because you're reading the metaphor wrong.
every guy on that championship team knew they had their ticket to the playoffs because of John Smoltz. how much advantage would the Reds have with home field in the GAB in the World Series? that’s exactly the significance and the context I’m talking about. Votto can’t get over himself and shake the guy’s hand?
this is not about “new teammate John Smoltz”. I’m sorry if it came off that way.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 15, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
and on the flip side of it
Marlon Byrd’s team is not in contention. he had next to nothing to play for. and he’s a cub, poor guy. he could have just as easily phoned it in. but he still turned in a quality at-bat, and took a tremendous chance in the outfield that may have saved the game.
what excuse is there for not shaking his hand?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 15, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Gotta go with that.
I don’t like the Cubs as much as anyone but I was f’in ecstatic when Byrd made that play. The fact that it was a great play, then mix in the irony that it was a Cub that saved our asses. People keep bringing up the WWGD thing, I have a hard time thinking that Gibby wouldn’t have congratulated the guy, even if it were nothing more than a “Good job.”.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 15, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
For being chunky
and not catching the ball in the air like most other not chunky outfielder would have done. (?) I don’t know why Votto dislikes Cubs. I don’t care. Votto may be a huge asshole. I don’t care. He is good at baseball, and that’s all I want from an All-Star. I don’t care if Votto is a huge asshole to another player. Why does everyone else care?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
reread the thread and you will find out.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 15, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
I've read the whole damn thing
and I still can’t figure out why you care.
Nothing you’ve said has anything to do with Joey Votto — it’s all about what YOU would do or what YOU expect. Well, Joey Votto ain’t you. So he can do whatever the hell he wants.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
well that's nice.
it’s nice to see that sportsmanship in the All Star Game is alive and well.
if you guys don’t even think the All Star Game means anything, then naturally you’re not going to have any expectations.
not everyone feels the same way. which is funny because it’s a GAME FOR THE FANS.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 15, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
and honestly, yeah, Joey Votto can do whatever he wants.
but again, I’m just explaining myself. the hysterical but why? WHY! WHY! that I’m replying to is over-inflating my own interest in this. my thread ended here. the more people take that and twist it around, the more I have to explain myself. that is why I’m replying.
again, if you don’t get it and you have no goal of understanding why, why keep replying?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 15, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
An it can end there as far as I'm concerned
But your reaction reeks of “overreaction” because for some reason you think it’s a personal affront to Byrd when it’s about the fact that Byrd plays for the Cubs.
Maybe if Byrd played for the Mets Votto wouldn’t give a shit. But he says he doesn’t like the Cubs, and by extension, anyone in a Cub uniform.
“I don’t like the Cubs,” Votto said. “And I’m not going to pat anybody with a Cubs uniform on the back. But because he made that really cool play, it turned out to be a really cool experience. I’m really glad we got the win today.”
Now, what about that is a personal affront to Marlon Byrd? Get off your soapbox if you want to talk about “context”. Sheesh.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
How would you feel if it was a World Baseball Classic situation?
Let’s say Votto is playing for Canada and some non-existent Canadian player who also plays for the Cubs makes a great play and Votto says the same thing.
Country camaraderie the same thing as League camaraderie?
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 15, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Um, I don't care?
Just like I really haven’t cared about what he said this whole thread?
For the record, the WBC is not the All-Star game.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
for one thing he wouldn't be wearing
the cubs uniform in the wbc – votto specifically notes the uniform. it’s nothing against byrd.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
And as much as FESPN over-glorified Ortiz's performance in the HR Derby,
he seemed to get that the event and being an All-Star in general is for the fans. Find the audio of his interview with EA if you want to hear an All-Star who understands why he’s there.
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 15, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah, and not that I personally put much truck in it
but all the fans that voted him in, and the chorus of sportswriters and outlets that gave Votto the vote of confidence for the “snub” are probably not real happy with that.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 15, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
I wonder if Scotty Doo had a word with him about it.
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 15, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm wondering that too.
personally, I’m more intrigued as to why the focus on the cubs and not the cards.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 15, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
scotty patted him on the back
him, as in votto. scotty wouldn’t pat byrd, of course – he hates the cubs. and byrd made it specifically because he is a cub – they needed somebody.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Why?
I voted for Votto. His post-game quotes didn’t change his OPS from the first half. He had the best first-half offensively of any NL player, by far. He is head and shoulders above the rest.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
again... my initial comment.
I acknowledged that.
Granted, Votto is hot sheeet right now, but he wasn’t in that game — which is the context. it’s his teammate for the night, and moreso because of the ridiculous "this time it counts" thing.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 15, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Here's Votto's comment
AGAIN:
“I don’t like the Cubs,” Votto said. “And I’m not going to pat anybody with a Cubs uniform on the back. But because he made that really cool play, it turned out to be a really cool experience. I’m really glad we got the win today.”
Emphasis mine.
You focus on the first half of the comment and just totally disregard the rest.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
The fact that he said "cool" twice in a sentence
negates any value that the sentence might have. Thus it was ignored.
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 15, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
well it would have been nice to repost that
when I asked if he had a reason for it up HERE. at 9:30. It’s 11 already!
that would have been a fine rebuttal when this all started. I’m not the one blowing this out of proportion.
you guys are the ones who won’t walk away. it would be nice if you spent more time replying to what’s actually written instead of killing yourselves over how idiotic and judgmental your fellow posters supposedly are.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 15, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Wouldn't it be fair to say
that all of you in this bloated subthread are doing at least one of (a) blowing things out of proportion and (b) not walking away?
אנא טוני לא יותר ט.א.ס.ס
Perhaps.
But the alternative is doing actual work. Which one would you choose?
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 15, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
pretty much.
I at least explained why I’m replying here.
and then I got into a separate conversation with Ghostrider, which is really like talking to myself, so I’m not sure it counts.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 15, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Who keeps replying to this thread?
It’s certainly not just me?
Who took a one off comment and decided to write a dissertation about what a dick Joey Votto is?
That wasn’t me either.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
I contributed.
Do I win something for self-identifying?
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 15, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
that might be too deep for me.
is there a psychologist in the house?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 15, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I never said he was a dick, and I never wrote a dissertation longer than what bgh said.
all of that length out there is replying to him.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 15, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Are you kidding?
What are you, the PC police?
You sound like Skip Bayless, who can take a fairly harmless comment, cut off the end of it, and then rail about it for an entire TV program.
Mountains out of molehills is what you’re making. Congrats on being the only guy who’s day was ruined by a Joey Votto throwaway line.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
what part of "I don't personally put much truck in this" did you not read?
thanks for the namecalling, it was a nice touch.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 15, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn't call you any names
So you’re not getting off of this by pretending someone personally attacked you.
You SOUND like Skip Bayless, and I stand by that comment, because you’re blowing this thing way out of proportion as a “personal attack” on Marlon Byrd, when it really wasn’t about Byrd at all.
You also lopped off the last two sentences of the quote, then reinforced your point that it was about “context”, when you didn’t even bother to include the “context” around the quote you’re reaming him for.
It sounds like you’re the one with the personal problem — which seems to be that no athlete should ever speak his mind when he goes 0-2 in a baseball game.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
there is nowhere
that I said this was a personal attack.
your mindreading abilities are also amazing.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 15, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Forget it
I’m done with this. I don’t need the aggravation of people who can’t comprehend their own words.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
I'm done with it too.
So, there’s something we can agree on. :)
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 15, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
that must be aggravating.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 15, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think anyone's day was ruined by it
And the mere suggestion that the world is ending over this discussion, in a comment thread, of a blog, seems to indicate you need to lighten up or find some other outlet for your aggression. Everything from you seems to be some long, drawn-out diatribe.
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 15, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh please
I’m simply trying to understand why someone would get all riled up about what he said.
I have no problem with it. It’s you and Yadi who seem to have this notion that people shouldn’t ever comment truthfully
I’m not mad, angry, or even upset about the matter — you guys seem to be.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
You made the argument that Y2S was stupid for getting riled about Joey Votto's
rant because he’s not Joey Votto.
Now YOU’RE getting riled up by Y2S and wondering why someone wouldn’t like Votto’s comments
Here’s a hint: It’s because you’re not Y2S
People have different values, you guys disagree, let’s move on
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
yes, there's only two people here who can claim to be Y2S.
erm.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 15, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
whoa! is that math?
I was told there would be no.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 15, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Again, wrong
I never said he was stupid, I never even stated that he couldn’t have his own opinion.
I simply stated that I didn’t understand what was so awful about what he said, and that he misinterpreted the quote to mean that Votto was disrespecting Byrd and his stellar play in the game, when in fact he was making a quote about the fact that Byrd plays for the Cubs and that he doesn’t really like the Cubs.
It has nothing to do with Byrd other than that he wears blue pinstripes. Yet Y2S is convinced that Votto is an asshole because he wouldn’t shake Byrd’s hand.
Seriously?
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
I couldn't possibly disagree with this more
I’m so sick and tired of everyone having to act politically correct and always say the right things. It’s such a bunch of crap that people can’t just say what they really feel without getting torn to shreds over it. There’s nothing wrong with what he said, and there’s nothing wrong with having some personal feelings about another organization that you don’t care for.
I don’t understand why you’re taking this so personally — he didn’t insult you and he certainly didn’t insult Marlon Byrd, he simply said he doesn’t like the Cubs and he’s not going to reward players wearing that uniform. Why is this so terrible? It’s not like Byrd couldn’t have signed with a different team. He chose to sign with the Cubs.
I don’t like the Brewers, so Fielder and Braun can do a Superman impression and I’m not going to be patting them on the back. It’s as simple as that. I hate mushy, feel-good crap coming from opposing players who compete against each other for division titles.
I could make the case that Marlon Byrd shouldn’t have even been in the game, since our Cardinal CF is clearly having a better year than he is, but the Cubs had to have a representative and he just happened to be it. He happened to be in the right place at the right time, made a great play, took a great AB, and I’m fine with it. Joey Votto doesn’t have to be if he doesn’t want to be. He can say whatever he wants to say.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
by fourstick on Jul 15, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
maybe Votto is superstitious and he doesn't want the cub curse
*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 15, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
there is that. hmmm.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 15, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
*where* did I say I was taking this personally?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 15, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
to hell in a handbasket?
*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 15, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
isn't that more transitive?
let’s ask the grammar police.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 15, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
for fuck's sake
I’m so sick and tired of everyone having to act politically correct
/yawn
I don’t understand all the bitching about shaking a guy’s hand. You don’t have to be his friend, you don’t have to be the best man at his wedding just be minimally fucking polite. If the Reds manage to make it to the World Series, they will have directly benefitted financially and competitively. So swallow your fucking pride, Joey Votto, who did fucking jackshit in that game. All he had to do was give him an atta-boy and that’s it.
Did he dis McCann too? I mean, Votto didn’t have to say anything to the press about Byrd. He could have kept his mouth shut. This is the point, is that he ran his mouth about one of the NL’s heroes, after the game, when he himself contributed zero. After all those people voted for him on the second chance. Way to be humble, Joey. Way to show your appreciation.
by nota bene on Jul 15, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
and take care of his mama. his mama is a big deal.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 15, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
mysterui was supposed to get some of those free pies...
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 15, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
He'd throw high and inside, what else?
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jul 15, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
same here
if albert can get along with marlon byrd or another cub for just one night, why can’t votto? same thing for red sox & yankees players.
it is interesting
that Votto was touted by pretty much the entire nation as being an All-Star snub, and was voted in by the fans.
if anything, that seems a poor showing for that kind of recognition.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 15, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm not going to jump in this much
because I commented yesterday, but I don’t think anyone should feel bad about voting him on the team. Votto was wearing a Reds uniform in that game and Byrd was wearing a Cubs uniform. If their home team and fans were irrelevant, they wouldn’t wear those. I thought it was a bit refreshing to see someone who still remembred the team he plays for. He might have been able to go about that in a better way,but he did not personally insult Brd in any way. If he had done that, I would be upset.
I'm anxiously awaiting PETA's response to this incident...
From the Chicago Sun-Times:
Police said authorities at Six Flags Great America ejected two off-duty employees from the theme park after they allegedly attacked a female colleague dressed as “Porky Pig.” Gurnee Police Sgt. Jon Ward says two young men took a photo with Porky on Monday afternoon, and then punched the mascot in the head 10 to 15 times.
They were probably just hungry.
Ya know, food chain and all. Sorry Cow.
by QuadCitiesCardsFan on Jul 15, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
That's terrible.
The employee is walking around in a costume in 90-some degree weather and her co-workers punch her in the head 10 to 15 times. They are the real swine. I hope they serve jail time.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Ah, I see.
A humanitarian defense.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
What if they stuck her head in a fan?
Putting in AC, I guess?
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 15, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Off topic
Seth Meyers had a pretty good monologue on the ESPYS last night. It was the only part I watched, and it was entertaining. Anybody else see it?
When John Jay falls to earth...
I expected him to become a decent glove/ nearly decent hitter with little pop, and I was ok with that for a fourth So Taguchi/ early Skip Schumaker fourth OF. He now seems way better than that.
He ranks with Garcia and Freese ranks as a 2010 Most Pleasant Surprise. (I count Colby as Back on Track to Stardom in 2010).
Supreme Court Justice spelling...
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 15, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Isn't John Jay underneath the earth?
How could he fall to it?
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 15, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
negative WAR?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 15, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
"He had no hustle. No life to his bat. It was like he just didn't show up out there. On the other hand, he sure took some tough pitches."
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 15, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Aaron Miles's hustle is similar in effect to that of a dead man.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Yep, he hustles.
You just can’t tell that he hustles.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 15, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
but he has a lot of grit
or, tony thinks that.
by zoomzoomj88 on Jul 15, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
He hustles like a clock.
I'm out of champagna. How about some 7-Up and Mad Dog 20/20?
by The Continental on Jul 15, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
he hustles like a turtle
miles has wheeeeeels.
by zoomzoomj88 on Jul 15, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
How dare you insult the great HB like that?
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 15, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
The Huggy Bear I know
is the most despicible coach in college basketball. The man is a criminal.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
Hustle
He really does hustle. He just hustles way too long in one spot.
by WizardofOz1982 on Jul 15, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
this
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 15, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
when cardinal fans learn how to spell cardinal players names...
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
i dunno
beginning to wonder if we should have picked up edmunds in the offseason
we could always FREE CRAIG ALAN!
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
Jacob?
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
his given name is Colby!
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Meh
I like that Jay is helping the team, but he’s got a career .799 OPS in the minors. You’ll have to excuse me if I’m not putting a whole ton of stock in the .989 OPS he’s posted in his first 73 PAs at the major league level.
He has been a pleasant surprise, but I still suspect he’s nothing more than a useful fourth outfielder going forward. That said, ride the wave, baby. Ride the wave.
I like useful fourth outfielders
as opposed to terrible backup outfielders who look like an oversize Aaron Miles.
אנא טוני לא יותר ט.א.ס.ס
I am also anxious about Carp
Whenever a veteran pitcher who has experienced both a high-level of success and exemplary consistency suddenly loses a feel for his mechanics you have to suspect something physical is behind the struggle. How long did the Cardinals insist that Mark Mulder’s problem were due to mechanical issues?
Of course, I don’t mean to imply that Carp’s arm is going to fall off and he is going to be completely useless. I am just concerned they didn’t learn anything from how they handled the Lohse injury last year.
Carry the battle to them. Don't let them bring it to you. Put them on the defensive and don't ever apologize for anything.
Your concerns are legitimate.
There has definitely been a recognizable pattern of mis-identification of injuries and incorrect recovery times.
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 15, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I saw how afraid the entire dugout was of Carpenter, that day.
Barry looked like he was pissin’ himself on the top step.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 15, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
I didn't mean to start a pile on
of the training/medical staff. If there is any mis-identification of an injury here it is by Carp himself. I obviously can’t be sure of this, but it does seem as though Dunc/LaRussa encourage players to conceal injuries, especially if they are “core” guys.
Carry the battle to them. Don't let them bring it to you. Put them on the defensive and don't ever apologize for anything.
I think there's a fine line to be toed when identifying injuries.
Unless the player can be visibly identified as being injured, it could be easy for a player to hide something if it isn’t causing him excruciating pain.
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 15, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Need some VEB advice
I am taking a group from my Church down to the game on Saturday and we had some poeople back out at the last minute. I have 6 extra tickets that I am having a hard time getting rid of. Part of me wants to keep trying to find somebody to buy the tickets, but there is another part of me that would rather just give them to a children’s charity in the hopes that some kids get to see a game they might not otherwise see. The only reason holding me back from the latter situation is that they are tickets that i purchased off of stub hub that have to be downloaded and printed off. I don’t know how easy it would be to make the transfer (especially since I need to be with the church group the whole time).
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 15, 2010 10:56 AM EDT reply actions
Well
if you could identify a charity or something and get in contact with an actual person, I would think you could just send the email link(s) for the tickets to the person in advance. That way, you wouldn’t have to actually hand them over.
It would probably take some (cyber/phone) legwork on your end up front, but seems like it would let you do what you’re hoping to do anyway.
don't those links expire?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 15, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
sure, probably at some point.
But I would think if he/she contacted someone, they said they wanted ’em, then it would be easy enough to fwd the links. I dunno…seems to work when we do it with other tickets.
Spare Tickets
I’m not sure what to tell you about this. In the past when Christian Family Day was involved we usually bought a couple of extra tickets for kids that CFD brought to the game and we’d just turn them over to CFD staff when we got there. I don’t know how the Cardinals are handling it since they ended their relationship with CFD. I almost boycotted Christian day at the ballpark this year because CFD isn’t involved but my dad is a huge Tony Dungy fan so we’re still going. Hopefully the Cardinals will get their heads back together and CFD will be back next year. I know Albert wasn’t exactly happy about them being ousted.
by WizardofOz1982 on Jul 15, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
thats exactly why we are taking a group from church that day
I have feelers out with some people at work who might want the tickets. I just thought that if I couldn’t get rid of them, then I would just give them to a charity so that the seats wouldn’t be empty (and so that a kid could go for free)
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 15, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Have you contacted the ticket office?
Perhaps they would be able to hold the printed tickets at Will-Call for someone else to pick them up, or they might be able to just verify the ticket purchase and hold those seats under the name of the person you elect to donate them to.
I would at least make a call and find out if this is possible. I’ve never had a problem dealing with the box office or Will Call window in the past regarding these type of things, even if I didn’t purchase the tickets directly from the box office.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Are the print-your-own tickets just pdf files?
If so, you could just e-mail the files and save them the hassle.
I'm out of champagna. How about some 7-Up and Mad Dog 20/20?
by The Continental on Jul 15, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
not really
they say to download them… and then it brings up another page with the ticket being the full page. You then print them off.
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 15, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah
but with this suggestion, you could just “Print As” a PDF (instead of sending it to whatever default printer you have).
Seems like whatever you do, it starts with finding someone who would use them.
I would suggest this
There are various programs out there to give you the option to “print” to a PDF. Download one, print the tickets to a PDF, and send the charity group the files.
just checkin in
I come here about 4 times a day during work, hoping the Cards have found a pitcher to help them out. I know if it happens it will be mentioned here immediately.
Come on Mo and other GMs. Everyone cooperate to make the Cardinals better!!
I will make a MS Paint jinx for Kershaw for the game tonight. Gee I hope I didn’t just jinx my jinx. you never know with the GOB.
"I told myself from the very beginning: 'If he's going to throw a shutout, then he's going to tie,'" Wainwright said. "He was not going to beat me today."
Clayton Kershaw perfect game!
I think I just un-jinxed the re-jinx of your jinx. So we should be good.
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 15, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
You sure you're not Y2S on another account?
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 15, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
sometimes braintwins do get confused
but that’s why our avatars are different.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 15, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
sometimes braintwins do get confused
but that’s why our avatars are different.
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 15, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Stop that shit right now.
My head will explode with the thought that there are two of y’all. Except that Ghost doesn’t archive as much. Lazy twin perhaps?
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 15, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
that's the other one. we keep him in the basement.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 15, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
The "other" other twin?
Fuck it. I quit.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 15, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, it lacks the social skills for posting on VEB.
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 15, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
it only knows compiling.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 15, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Multiplicitied, I'm guessing?
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 15, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, come on up, we're spittin' on bugs.
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 15, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You have no idea how hard I'm laughing at that.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 15, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Todd Wellemeyer reference of the day...
Per Jeff Sullivan of…this website.
Under his Bottom Five Pitchers of Baseball’s First Half was this somewhat funny anecdote;
4. Todd Wellemeyer. Wellemeyer had one goal this year: keep the Giants’ fifth rotation slot warm for Madison Bumgarner. Wellemeyer kept it warm, but he also farted all over it.
http://www.sbnation.com/2010/7/15/1570005/2010-mlb-season-review-baseball-recap
Aside from that, he goes on to say that Francisco Liriano was the best pitcher of the season’s first-half, which I find to be entirely dim-witted.
"When I gave up a grand slam to Pete LaCock," Bob Gibson said later, "I knew it was time to quit."
by The Classical on Jul 15, 2010 11:42 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
My eyes hurt from laughing at that so much.
Cardinals Baseball 2010: Why have only one 25th man when you can have four?
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Jul 15, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
okay, so we don't have injuries like the Sauks or Phils but damn... damn papercuts. papercuts!
JoeStrauss Adam Ottavino might’ve been Cardinal trade chip. But shoulder tightness dating to April, DL stint, don’t help value. #stlcards 23 minutes ago via Echofon
*unicorn: still not Strauss
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Wasn't there some debate as to whether that injury was legit or not?
Might have shot themselves in the foot there.
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 15, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
maybe they really like the Otter?
I dunno. I just hope this is the usual run of injuries through a season, and not some brand new curse.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 15, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
from my understanding
he has been “hurt” since april, but not to the point it has kept him from pitching. And his condition hasn’t got worse since then either.
I wonder if he had a dead arm and they just called it a shoulder strain.
I wouldn’t put it past the brass.
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 15, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
That's what is weird to me.
If he has been injured since April, and it hasn’t gotten any worse since then, why is he now on the DL?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
They needed a roster spot for Tyler Greene, I think.
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 15, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I was wondering about the roster.
But, I believe Ottavino has options, so they just could have sent him down, if they simply needed a spot on the 25-man for Greene.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
At the time they may have been thinking of bringing Salas back, instead of MacLane.
And according to the rules of optioning players to the minors, when a player is sent down, they have to stay down for at least 10 days. But if an injury occurs to a player on the Major League Roster and the player is placed on the DL, then the player that was just sent down can be brought back up regardless of the 10-day rule.
Salas was optioned on 7/2, which was a handful of days before Ottavino was DL’d.
That’s the only scenario I can think of for why they would’ve put an un-injured player on the DL.
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 15, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
And then they didn't even end up calling Salas up.
Which makes no sense.
So, Otto must really be injured.
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 15, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
[charlie brown aauuuggh]
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 15, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I know he wasn't ready to go
in that blow up loss to Rockies. (first one) And was DL’d right after that.
really? crap.
I didn’t know that.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 15, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Battle at Busch is going on before the game in Ford Plaza
If anyone wants to get to the game early and see some cool bands… Ahhem… Where’s Charlie… starts at 5:30
"I don't like to sound egotistical, but every time I stepped up to the plate with a bat in my hands, I couldn't help but feel sorry for the pitcher." Rogers hornsby.
Hopefully the stage isn't in the outfield.
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 15, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Nah... they got a stage in the back corner of Ford Plaza...
Its back where Boog and JoeyB play wiffle ball…
"I don't like to sound egotistical, but every time I stepped up to the plate with a bat in my hands, I couldn't help but feel sorry for the pitcher." Rogers hornsby.
oh, now I'm sad. I miss Boog and Bombs.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 15, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
effin Eagles!
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 15, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
BJ Rains grades the Cardinals
Apparently Colby only warrants a B grade
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
he was on twitter looking for suggestions for some of the grades
backups, I think.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 15, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Saw that the other day on MLBTradeRumors.
Felipe is an A. Penny is nothing, which hurts.
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 15, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Uhhh that's gotta be a different article
He just posted this today, i think
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Sorry.
Thought you were talking about Elias.
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 15, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, that's BJ Rains' personal notebook.
the MLBTR simulated grade thing… don’t look at the 1B/OF, y’all.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 15, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Check these judicious quotes out if you're too lazy to read the whole thing:
Jason LaRue © – The backup catcher might be graded higher if not for a .196 batting average. LaRue has done exactly what the Cardinals request from a backup catcher, handle a pitching staff and provide veteran leadership. LaRue may be one of the best backup catchers in the game, giving Tony La Russa no hesitation to play him if starter Yadier Molina needs a day off.
Nick Stavinoha (B-) – Stavinoha has turned himself into one of the top pinch-hitters in the National League, becoming a valuable piece of manager Tony La Russa’s bench. But the bulky outfielder has been overexposed of late since seeing more time in the starting lineup. His average has dipped to .256.
Aaron Miles (Inc) – The scrappy utility infielder is hitting .314 since joining the Cardinals and has played surprisingly well in the field. While the popular opinion seems to be dumping Miles in favor of Tyler Greene, the veteran infielder Miles has done more than enough to deserve a spot on the roster.
Colby Rasmus (B) – The second-year centerfielder hit 16 home runs in the first half, the same amount he had all of last season. Rasmus is hitting a respectable .274 and had 42 RBIs, putting him in the discussion for the All-Star game. But he continued an alarming strikeout rate and made several poor throws from the outfield, keeping him from earning a higher grade.
אנא טוני לא יותר ט.א.ס.ס
Good grief. Note to self...
Don’t read BJ Rains. He doesn’t know much about baseball.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 15, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
What?
Basing Colby Rasmus’s grade on a “respectable .274” and has 42 RBIs is not representative of his offensive production?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
What the FUCK is he talking about about LaRue?
Yadi never gets a day off
Ughhhhhhhh… See, Rains is pretty young, and baseball fans in general, nevermind baseball scribes who breathe it every day, tend to have some idea of advanced statistics
He doesn’t even mention OPS ONCE in that entire article. It’s all BA, RBIs, and HRs. He’s hapless!
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
spants had it right
as usual
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Besides LaRue,
has he not watched Stav’s BA go down like a plane on fire?
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 15, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I know that he referenced it.
But .256 doesn’t impress the shit out of me. He was starting to “not hit” before the “over-exposure”.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 15, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh I was totally joking
It seems to me that the “overexposure” was really just Stave being “exposed” for the hitter we all know he is.
sbn'd.
I think I was typing my addendum while you were typing your comment.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 15, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
latest tweet...ahahaha
BJRains (B.J. Rains)
Here is my mid-season report card on the Cardinals hitters. Already getting some heat, so join in and disagree away: http://bit.ly/9ipzh5.
2 minutes ago from web
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
...Yeah, that would be me
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
You're the only one so far, unless he's reading this
Maybe he’s proud of the heat he’s taking. Maybe he wants to grow up and be Strauss one day.
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
Strauss took a shot at him from the initial link
it’s amusing to say the least
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Joe Strauss taking shots at people on Twitter?
I’m shocked!
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
He's going for the "any publicity is good publicity" angle.
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 15, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think he has the wiles to angle for anything.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I asked him - apparently he thinks the casual fan / everyday reader doesn't know what OPS is and he doesn't want to force it on them.
אנא טוני לא יותר ט.א.ס.ס
I have a feeling there seems to be an attitude of this at FoxSports
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
Hasn't he ever read Plato?
Pffft
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
who would comment at the P-D
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Here it is
@oranjutan yes but the casual reader doesn’t know what it is. Took into consideration, but just tried to keep the answers short and simple.
10 minutes ago via web in reply to oranjutan
אנא טוני לא יותר ט.א.ס.ס
If ESPN uses Ops,
then surely Fox Sports can. Or, maybe if ESPN uses it, then Fox Sports won’t?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
the obvious point being that....
his job is to inform, educate and entertain his readers. Not to make erroneous conclusions based on bad data.
Let’s use his grade of Stav as an example. Rains says:
Nick Stavinoha (B-) – Stavinoha has turned himself into one of the top pinch-hitters in the National League, becoming a valuable piece of manager Tony La Russa’s bench. But the bulky outfielder has been overexposed of late since seeing more time in the starting lineup. His average has dipped to .256.
What he should have said, even had he not wanted to use fancy stats that his readers wouldn’t understand:
Nick Stavinoha (D) – Batting an empty .256 in mostly pinch hit appearances, the bulky outfielder does not get on base enough, does not hit with much power, and strikes out far too much. Worse, because of injuries, he’s increasingly been forced to play defense, where his range is poor. Despite these failings, his place on Tony La Russa’s bench appears secure, apparently due to his dramatic game-winning home run off of the Brewers’ Trevor Hoffman in early April.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 15, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
a lesson in geography
- BJRains St. Louis – Largest city in the US without a direct flight to Europe. 24 minutes ago via web
- dgoold @BJRains Don’t I know it. Dallas, Chicago, New York — our gateways to the world. 23 minutes ago via web in reply to BJRains
- BJRains @dgoold makes a little sense though considering we are in the middle of the country. Would make for a fairly long flight. 21 minutes ago via web in reply to dgoold
- dgoold @BJRains No longer than Dallas, and only 35 min longer than Chicago … 9 minutes ago via web in reply to BJRains
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
With as much as you report tweets, you don't have a twitter?!
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
nope.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
How are you able to follow specific
tweeters without a handle? I have one, but it’s just to follow.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Google Reader?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I've never played with it,
but that would probably do it as well.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I don't have Twitter either.
Add it to the list braintwin.
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 15, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll forward it to the basement.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Has someone informed LaRue that he's been copyrighted?
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.
Miles?...Surprisingly well in the field....?.........kablooey!
I am pleasantly pleased, thankyouverymuch
Any credibility BJ may have had,
went out the window with his “report card.”
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Impossible.
Those games were canceled.
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 15, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah.
good call on hammering on him to change Colby… bumped him up a grade. i’m piling on.
"The outfield is deep and playing him straight-away, and the infield is the same, except first, second, third, and short are playing him to pull."
-Mike Shannon
I hate people
Nick Stavinoha rated just below Matt Holliday. NICK FUCKING STAVINOHA OF THE SUB .700 OPS AND >>>> .300 BABIP! Stavinoha rated as highly as Floppy and higher than Yadier. Ludwick and Matt Holliday only rated a B.
I have to stop caring about this stuff and just enjoy the game.s
by vivaelpujols on Jul 15, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
He's just slightly over exposed right now,
we all know that he’s a true talent .300/.400/.500 type of pinch hitter.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
that's just straight up retarded
just goes to show how much people think about one event, whether good or bad that player gets a stereotype
*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 15, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
It would've been great if BJ was like...
“Nick Stavinoha, A+. He hit a home run off of a future Hall-of-Famer, didn’t he?”
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 15, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
so the game is tonight eh?
any weird predictions?
*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 15, 2010 12:40 PM EDT reply actions
Lots and lots of sweating.
And I’ll go out on a limb and call Holliday & Pujols back-to-back HRs.
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 15, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Miles, Ryan and Winn
will hit back to back to back in the bottom of the eighth with two RISP and one out, as LaRussa maximizes the GRIT index to push a run across the plate.
… oh, wait, you said weird predictions, not predictions of expected scenarios.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Jul 15, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
if that were to happen
I have no doubt that the universe would implode
*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 15, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
lost the All Star Game... the PCL, that is.
They sent The Hoff back down? Effin Canadians.*
*not actually insulting any Canadians.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
it's too bad when a montage includes Jason Motte givin' it up.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
on the other hand, there's Zambrano goin' crazy
and there’s Chris Carpenter about to luggage someone.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 15, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
points for the lyrics locking in with the images
but the beat doesn’t quite match.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 15, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I saw part of it earlier, but this is my first full viewing.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 15, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
what in the hell
would we have to do to get danny haren before the trade deadline? I am the only one that that dreams of this every night as I go to sleep? Does anyone else want this sooooo bad but know it can never happen?
We don't need a frontline starter
We need a reasonable #5 starter.
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Yep, we already have 3 frontline starters, don't get greedy
We need to replace Jeff Suppan with a major league pitcher.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 15, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
that would be nice
*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 15, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
question
is there any way to evaluate the relievers out on the market, if there are no SPs worth looking at?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Kyle Farnsworth.
Try saying that without laughing hysterically.
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 15, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
good news, everyone!
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
What do you mean evaluate?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
look for potential guys to be converted
it seems like a long shot, but there are so many young arms waiting their turn in bullpens, I wondered if anyone looks at them that way.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Look for guys who've started in the minors, that someone along the way decided to convert to relief
Find out how many pitches they can throw effectively, and hope it works I suppose
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
we can't afford his salary
for some reason the Pujols jet proved to me that Albert will return after ’11
*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 15, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
we're all on the charter, baby. all the way!
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I'm sure Pujols conjured an Austin Powers impression.
“It’s my jumbo jet baby, yeeeeah.”
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 15, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I would buy it if AJ did it.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
you mean the barber?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I don't know
Lohse is not a bad starter, but after that weird surgery, no clue
*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 15, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
well
he flew the Cards all stars out to Anaheim anyway… may not be “his” (it is to me though)
*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 15, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
it's a chartered jet
he bought time, confirmed on PD
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Is it possible
That we trade for Ben Sheets and Is that something we want?
Is it possible for Stephen Drew to fit our need more?
Sheets is a no: Too expensive and we don't need a frontline starter
Stephen Drew I would definitely be okay with… I’m not sure that we have the prospects to get him though.
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
I would support Drew as well.
He has always played exceptionally well against the Cardinals.
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 15, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Dunno...
….that Sheets is a ‘frontline starter’ anymoore, and he wouldn’t be on team – I’m not sure he’s better than Garcia right now. but he’ll cost like a 1 or 2, so no thanks. I’d sooner get a guy like Jake Westbrook, who is better than a 5 and is moore like a middle-of-the-rotation guy at this point. I think LaDunc cud do wonders with him, and he’d be cheaper. But we need to get somebody, I am getting worried about our luggage handler…
:=8.
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
i'd like carmona or drew
depending on which you think is our biggest need. i think it is a starter, but with all the lost production to injuries on the offensive side, and the MIF suckitude, i could go for drew very easily. and neither would be a rental. we probably don’t have enough to give up for either, and i wouldn’t deal miller for anyone other than lee, and it’s too late for that. the org seems to make statements about coveting haren, though, so you never know if they wouldn’t give up miller for him.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
The front office has been saying that they have money to play with in the short term
and they would rather take on salary than give up prospects. I believe what was said was that we could spend as long as it wasn’t a long-term backloaded type of thing. I could see Ben Sheets coming here for few prospects. I dunno if it could stretch out to a Roy Oswalt type.
babip giveth... and babip taketh away
It's important to keep in mind
how little a pro-rated share of a salary is by the trade deadline, which I find myself losing perspective on. Even a $10MM is pretty affordable at a pro-rated share of that. As you point out, it’s beyond this season when the payroll crunch sets in with raises due to multiple players and the forthcoming Pujols extension.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
The more I think about it
the more Ben Sheets makes sense. I mean, the A’s aren’t going anywhere and Ben Sheets doesn’t (and won’t likely) have an Elias ranking, so Sheets’ only value lies in trade. The Cards were interested in Sheets over the offseason and have a history of dealing with Beane.
babip giveth... and babip taketh away
From what I have been reading about Sheets
the “rental price” that Oakland has put on him is quite steep.
They have a reputation for asking (and in some cases, getting) a lot for players who are headed to free agency.
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 15, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
So was the "rental price" on Holliday...
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I don't think so
Two C grade prospects to replace the two draft picks they’d be losing
Brett Wallace for Matt Holliday, who provided 2.8 WAR in half a season for the Cards. Wallace is a good bet to beat that, but this was also basically an auction of sorts, which exhibits a winner’s curse.
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
they don't get draft picks for him, do they?
he’s not Elias ranked
"The outfield is deep and playing him straight-away, and the infield is the same, except first, second, third, and short are playing him to pull."
-Mike Shannon
wow
brainfail, thought you were talking about sheets. kindly ignore me
"The outfield is deep and playing him straight-away, and the infield is the same, except first, second, third, and short are playing him to pull."
-Mike Shannon
do you mean... BEN SHEETS?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
obligatory SHEETS
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 15, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Stars and Scrubs Blues
To me, many of the Cardinals current problems come from trying to “Stars and Scrubs” approach they have the last few years. If your approach to hitting and pitching is “a few stars and then whatever we can get,” you end up with a few top performers and a risk of having a lot of meh, which is where we are now.
that approach is easily remedied by dfa'ing Miles, Stav, Winn, etc
that way it would be stars and faberge eggs
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 15, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
What a wonderful theme to the second half that would be. I can see it now on the matinee:
NOW PLAYING! STARS AND FABERGE EGGS
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
sure beats stars and scrubs
sounds too much like stars and members of the cubs
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 15, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I wasn't being sarcastic.
I think it’s great.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I think he's agreeing with you.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 15, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Stars and Scrubs Blues. . .
have delivered four playoff appearances in the last 6 seasons (and 7 in the last 10), a World Championship, and one of the winningest franchises in baseball over the last decade, so let’s not go jumping off a bridge or anything.
Oh, and where we are now is a game out of the division lead despite losing our #3 and #4 starters and having a half-season’s worth of bad luck/performance with RISP.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jul 15, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn't say it couldn't work
I just said this was a risk of the approach. Maybe it is an acceptable risk. The other risk to it is if one or more of your stars don’t perform, then you’re really screwed.
While this approach has had success for the Cards, I think this approach would not work as well in a better division (it clearly beats the Pirates “Scrubs and Scrubs” approach).
“Build a great team that can beat anyone,” and “build a team that has a shot to end up in the post season in the NL Central” are different goals.
Your face has started hitting again
HITTING MY FIST
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
maybe you two are the same person and it's all like fight club
*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 15, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
There's a lot of doppelganger action going on today
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
also, undead cyborg action
Cheney got some kind of robot heart now
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 15, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
and no pulse!
that’s just creepy
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
not that he was any less creepy before
ok, I’ll shut up now
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 15, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Little known Mariners fact of the day:
All of our servers are named after HoF Players. For example, the one that I save everything to is named after Roberto Clemente. Another department’s is named after Willie Mays. Another’s is Joe Dimaggio, etc.
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
How many servers would you have if they were named after Mariners Hall of Famers?
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 15, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the answer would be zero.
If you are considering those inducted as Mariners.
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 15, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
how about Mariners at any point?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
4.
Gaylord Perry, Goose Gossage, Rickey Henderson, Dick Williams.
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 15, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Isn't Perry a HOFer for everyone?
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.
I have internal proprietary sources, so suck it
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
They'll have one when Edgar Martinez is eligible
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
And in 5 years when KGJr is
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Does Cooperstown
only honor baseball in the Major Leagues and Negro Leagues or will they include stats for Ichiro when he was in Japan?
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
doesn't answer your question
but doesn’t he make it in based on US numbers alone?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Yes, I believe he does.
He has led the AL in hits six times, and this year looks to be the seventh. He is a career .332 hitter. He won a ROY (which I think is somewhat insulting to the Japanese leagues) and an MVP as well as nine Gold Gloves (likely ten after this season).
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Definitely
1 MVP 2001
RoY 2001
All Star every year
9/9 on Gold Gloves
3 Silver Sluggers
2148 career hits (9.5 seasons)
363 career SB
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
I found this interesting
He’s led the league in IBB 3 times. That says quite a lot for a guy who bats at the top of the lineup.
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
Well, look at the offenses he's played in...
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Yeah here's a testament to that
He’s led the league in hits 6 times
but never led the league in runs
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
yeah
it’s the Sandy Koufax/Clemente (who would have made it in anway, but i digress) corollary. he won’t have played a long a career in MLB as he could have otherwise, but any reasonable person can fill in the extra years and see one of the top 10 greatest hitters who have ever lived.
"The outfield is deep and playing him straight-away, and the infield is the same, except first, second, third, and short are playing him to pull."
-Mike Shannon
not to mention, it's entirely possible he reaches 3000 hits in MLB alone
which would be one of the most stunning accomplishments in baseball history that i can think of given that he spent 7 full, productive years in another league.
"The outfield is deep and playing him straight-away, and the infield is the same, except first, second, third, and short are playing him to pull."
-Mike Shannon
I dunno, man. That's 200 hits for 4 more seasons after this
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
so he'd have to slump for the next 4 seasons?
and still make it
I am pleasantly pleased, thankyouverymuch
Or be really mediocre for the next 8.
Think of the ageless So Taguchi.
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 15, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
it's really a shame Ichiro didn't play his entire career here
he could’ve taken over as the all time hit king
I am pleasantly pleased, thankyouverymuch
me either
"The outfield is deep and playing him straight-away, and the infield is the same, except first, second, third, and short are playing him to pull."
-Mike Shannon
yeah, i know
but i didn’t say “likely”.
just entirely possible. as far as i know (you may know more) the guy’s in literally perfect physical shape. if he plays 6 more years, do you think there’s a chance in hell he DOESN’T get there?
he certainly gets 200 hits this year, and probably the next year or two after that.. then he’s right in striking range.
"The outfield is deep and playing him straight-away, and the infield is the same, except first, second, third, and short are playing him to pull."
-Mike Shannon
He seems to have a knack for dodging the injury bug.
So if he can keep that string of healthy seasons going, I’d say there’s no way he doesn’t get there.
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 15, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, there really haven't been any signs of serious decline
his K rate is the highest it’s ever been this year, but not by much so it’s probably just statistical noise… besides that, it seems he’s pretty much the same guy now as he was for the last 3-5 years.
I wouldn’t expect him to put up 5.5 WAR again, but he could probably stay good for several years, barring injury.
אנא טוני לא יותר ט.א.ס.ס
they've yet to have a reason to
my guess is that they won’t, if only because they won’t want to include Hideki Matsui and Tuffy Rhodes. If Ichiro had ended up on the borderline instead of a likely inductee on his American numbers it might have become an issue.
The case against including Japanese players in the American Hall is the basketball Hall of Fame, which is filled with just about everyone who has ever played basketball. It was a lot of fun to visit, but the “plaques” such as they were were nightmarishly difficult to navigate.
Ichiro.
http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/102872906/Getty-Images-Sport
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
He stretches allllll the damnnnnn timeeeeee
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
I saw almost enough of him that last series
to memorize his PA routine. almost.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I like how he stretches in between pitches.
I wonder how much doing so cuts down on injury risk.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Oh didn't know he was on the vote
I think eventually he will though.
and oh yeah, Griffey. How could I forget.
On a similar note, how do you pick what hat Randy Johnson wears when he goes in? That’s a toughie.
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
That is tough
I wonder if they will go with DBacks to throw Arizona some love. He did have some of his best years there.
I bet D-Backs
since he won a world series (right?) with them and had his perfect game with them too.
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
won those cys with the d'backs too
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Yankees.
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.
I don't think the HOF will allow him to go in as a Yankee or Expo.
Not enough time in either place compared to Seattle and Arizona.
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.
I think it has to be the Diamondbacks,
but, to me, the real question is which Arizona cap it is.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
The alternate road holiday day game one.
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.
the 2001 version
i would hope
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
that's actually cool. it's like the intersection of geek and baseball.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Isn't that the definition of sabermetrics?
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 15, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
yep!
*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 15, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
does it include my note of surprise in the first sentence?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I like it.
It’s like pointing at something and remarking.
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 15, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
if yadi is hitting like he did in '06 maybe that's a sign...
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 15, 2010 1:41 PM EDT reply actions
Well if we keep going we may finish with the same record, so.........
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 15, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
[charlie brown aauuuuggghh]
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
OT: VEB advertisement
VEB Chicagoland day is tomorrow
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
Interesting
http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/blog_article/were-the-all-stars-really-throwing-that-hard/
I guess Waino really was throwing 96. I can see why Tony wanted to move him to the pen (JOKING).
Fascinating.
Of the 272 pitches thrown, 190, or 70 percent, were fastballs. The average fastball speed in the game was 96 mph. Wow.
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 15, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I want to know how far off their season norms the relievers pitched
They’re used to these 1-inning type outings, so they’re going to pitch like they usually would. If all of them are overclocked, then it’s likely a calibration error. If they’re all about right, then the starters were just reaching back and throwing
Looking at relievers’ velo numbers, my theory looks about right… Soriano at 93 and Bell at 94
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
he addresses that
I don’t know a simple way to determine whether either of those things are true, although we do see that the pitchers with the biggest boosts to their fastball speed were all starting pitchers. The average fastball speed boost relative to the regular season was 1.5 mph for starters and 0.4 mph for relievers.
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
...Oh. Well. Thanks.
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
I heard several of the AL players were upset
that the NL pitchers were throwing off speed stuff.
Torii Hunter seemed like he was peeved at Wainwright for only throwing him curveballs and cutters
Third inning. Carl Crawford lines out weakly to third against Josh Johnson.
"He threw a changeup in the All-Star Game!" Crawford says to no one in particular. "What is the world coming to?"
from this article by the midget
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
hahahahahha
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
i remember watching the game in 06
if i remember, Penny was reaching 97-98. I think it’s just an 1-inning/adrenaline thing.
oh man i remember that
from his first to last pitch Penny was throwing absolute GAS. besides that Vlad homerun (which was probably just one of Vlad’s “what the hell i’ll swing at it” homeruns) i don’t remember anyone even coming close to his pitches
"The outfield is deep and playing him straight-away, and the infield is the same, except first, second, third, and short are playing him to pull."
-Mike Shannon
I think he was still with Alyssa Milano at the time.
Which might explain why he was so “fired up”.
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 15, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
If he had extra energy.....
he was doing it wrong.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
by RiverRat on Jul 15, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well...games he's starting...
otherwise, if you have Alyssa Milano, and that’s the rule…there’s no point. 162 games + playoffs.
Anyone see anything come across the Interwebs or Twitter
regarding The Barber’s bullpen session today? Maybe he hasn’t thrown yet…
FSM supposedly has moar
BJRains Kyle Lohse will throw a bullpen session Saturday, his first throws off a mound in almost two months since going in the DL in late May. about 20 hours ago via web
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Damn, Rotoworld quoted a BJ Rains tweet that said he would throw today.
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 15, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
rotoworld can't read so good.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Ok there is exactly nothing of interest on MLBTR
The Unicorn is not tweeting. Rains is causing controversy that I’m not interested in. I want another starting pitcher, darnit.
The Reds want to add a RH reliever to help them hold off the Cards. big deal.
Ok, information on Loshe would be good also. Someone make something happen.
"I told myself from the very beginning: 'If he's going to throw a shutout, then he's going to tie,'" Wainwright said. "He was not going to beat me today."
gdm had an epic picspam in the other thread?
that’s something, right?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I believe you mean picgasm
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
damn, I should have wiped up afterwards
I stand by my comment that there was not enough JAIME GARCIA.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
well
the worst thing that could happen right now is if Lohse and Penny start progressing better than expected. then Dan ‘n Al will start talking about how it’s just like trading for an all-star and whatever Lohse is supposed to be… and maybe the team won’t do anything at all
I have a hate relationship with the Cardinals' roster makeup decisions. | Cards on Cards
A bean crock killed my great-uncle, you jerk!
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
He wasn't so great if he was killed by a bean-crock.
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 15, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Depends on who was swinging/throwing said crock.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 15, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
was it at 96 mph?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Dunno, wasn't there.
Even if I was I wouldn’t have seen it.
/doesn’t like to get involved.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 15, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
does holding the radar gun make one the accessory?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Were you just point it aimlessly or was there a purpose?
If you were just pointing it aimlessly then you couldn’t necessarily know what was being timed. If there was a purposeful pointing then it’s possible, I would suppose. That sounds like a question for WMT or IHB.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 15, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
it's not like I'm a Phillies fan...
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
That's a winning defense if I ever heard one.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 15, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
it was a slider
and he ducked right into it.
Carry the battle to them. Don't let them bring it to you. Put them on the defensive and don't ever apologize for anything.
Old Hoss Radborn himself threw the bean crock
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
No wonder it killed him.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 15, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Uhhh
Cards have called a press conference today at 3:30 pm but nobody knows about what
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Not sources?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
From a BJ Rains tweet
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
It's Cliff Lee isn't it?
Wait…
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.
please somebody dm me if it's anything important
I’ll be at work, and I don’t have a desk job…
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
much appreciated
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
Are you serious or are you Strauss-ing me right now?
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 15, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
He's Rainesing you
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.
which is a little misleading, as his dad writes for the G-Dem
and… the alternative can be misconstrued. hmmmmm.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I bet it is something lame like announcing they are switching radio affiliates for 2011.
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 15, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
New condiment supplier for the postgame spread.
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.
Yeah, it's not gonna be like "Welp we traded for Hanley Ramirez without anyone finding out!"
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Per Bernie...
A three-year contract extension for John Mozeliak, the Cardinals GM.
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 15, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
That's kinda lame. Kinda cool.
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
eh
If Mo can get something done before 3, I’ll be excited about this
babip giveth... and babip taketh away
eh. To be expected
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
that buys a lot of pizzas.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
am I the only one getting a kick out of the Fanhouse story on the right-hand margin
about the Red Sox being handcuffed at the trade deadline by the luxury tax?
Happy baseball day!
Note: Above comment may contain gratuitous amounts of sarcasm.
BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS
Hey Houston,
Suck it; you suck
trainwreeeck
Leo Mazzone saying to JP Ricciardi “If you ever get a job, think about hiring me!”
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
This leads me to ask you guys a question:
What, in your eyes, makes for a good GM?
To me, it’s not necessarily flashy trades or huge free agency signings… It’s being rational. To have a vision that the fanbase understands, and to make these consistent moves to constantly improve your team under your own guidelines
That’s why I like Jack Z a lot. I know a lot of Mariners fans fellated him as being a savior and the team just kind of bombed… but it was apparent what he was doing. He was going to take advantage of his park, focus on having great pitching and great defense, and settle for an average-ish offense. That’s a good formula for a 85-90 win team. It didn’t work out, but every move that he’s made in his tenure here has satisfied these specific goals
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Not being a politician.
Being up front about what acquisitions and signings can realistically be done based on the club’s assets, financially and otherwise.
I think Mo does a great job of bringing discussions down to earth. He may be vague at times, but he never oversells what he is capable of doing.
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 15, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Which is the opposite description of Luhnow's job
He NEEDS to pimp up the prospects because it automatically creates a certain expectation in opposing scouts’ eyes. If Luhnow talks about Steven Hill’s prodigious power, scouts are going to specifically look for that, and yeah, Hill’s power is pretty good. That’s pretty bad example, but he gives scouts something to specifically look for where they might gloss over it otherwise
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Winning
It really is that simple. We live in a results-oriented society. If you don’t win, absent some horrible bad luck, get the heck out. The one caveat would be that winning shouldn’t be at too much expense of the future.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jul 15, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
At the macro level, sure
But how much time do you give the GM?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
depends upon the situation that he inherits
If you inherit the Pirates, you get more time than if you inherit the Rays, for instance. Really boneheaded moves, however, can short-circuit your time, IMHO. Like the infamous Aramis Ramirez trade, for instance.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jul 15, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes. Jack Z spends his spare time browsing other teams' fan forums, just hoping that one of his interns
happens to root for that team, and praises him.
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
I agree.
To me, it’s simply to make good decisions. Whether that is finding good value FAs, drafting well, or not selling to the farm for a three-month rental, that is what I want.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Not being named Ed Wade.
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.
Drayton is like Jerry Jones, but without the championships or facelifts.
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.
The small things
Like Floppy for 1yr/1m or the Loshe deal part I
also roster management and trading away overvalued resources at high points while acquiring undervalued but maybe useful pieces (Duncan for Lugo)
by YesWeOquendo on Jul 15, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
reading some of Goold's anecdotes, and this needs a sad trombone at the end...
“In the reality the ballpark helps,” said Rolen, who has 17 homers at the break, nine of which he’s hit at the Reds’ home. “Sorry, guys. It’s true. Busch Stadium is a bigger ballpark. Toronto has a bigger ballpark. Great American Ball Park — it plays small. So I’m hitting some balls that I’m getting credit for instead of them being doubles or even outs. Sometimes you hit balls there where it just travels well.”
At this point, Mets’ third baseman David Wright walks by.
Rolen concludes, almost apologetically: “New York — the ball doesn’t travel at David’s ballpark.”
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Ah Scotty, if things would have only turned out differently.
If only Hee Sop Choi was never born…if only TLR was distracted by a basket of kittens when he said those things to you…
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 15, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Alex Cintron
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.
That man cost us a World Series title,
and no one will be able to convince me otherwise.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
A co-worker of mine is on the phone asking for directions somewhere...
Hello MapQuest? What is this, 1999!?!?
is this a cell phone? how large is it?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
You'll be the first to go when the machines take over the world.
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 15, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes. I get pure joy from my inlaws' calling for directions because their GPS can't find their destination.
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.
Type harder with your right hand to turn the car right
For sharp turns, type PLINK as hard as you can, as fast as you can.
Loosely related:
WARNING QUASI-POLITICAL
Was listening to NPR the other day and came across this segment about how people interpret facts.
New research suggests that misinformed people rarely change their minds when presented with the facts — and often become even more attached to their beliefs. The finding raises questions about a key principle of a strong democracy: that a well-informed electorate is best.
The first 10-15 minutes are good, then they start taking calls from morans.
Definately applies to how people view stats and sabermatricians.
You can’t measure heart!
/sarcasm
by YesWeOquendo on Jul 15, 2010 4:04 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
That should read
misinformed uneducated knuckle draggin, booger eaters
Carry the battle to them. Don't let them bring it to you. Put them on the defensive and don't ever apologize for anything.
I saw an article about that study
or one almost exactly like it. The article I read talked a bit about people not changing their mind on which politician/party/belief that they support even when presented with facts showing that said politician/party/belief did not agree with their stated beliefs, etc. It was an interesting article, but a bit discouraging as the quote above notes about a “well-informed electorate”.
by ArkansasTravs on Jul 16, 2010 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions
stavinoha on the DL
craig up from memphis!?
by DanUpBaby on Jul 15, 2010 4:15 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
...Curse you, DanUp
Let’s all rejoice!
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Probably hurt his back....
When he landed on the ball in RF against the Stros.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 15, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
To steal from yesterday
Our long national nightmare is over for 15 days. Now for Miles to go away.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Baby steps.
Which is a funny saying when the topic of conversation is Miles.
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 15, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not overly optimistic
I bet I know who goes back down when Ludwick gets back
by YesWeOquendo on Jul 15, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
YES YES YES
Finally, provided Miles doesn’t start today I can call a temporary halt to complaining about who should be playing!
Of course, Miles inevitably will start, so…
אנא טוני לא יותר ט.א.ס.ס
I can't talk aboot that,
for fear of self incrimination.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
creative use of the DL more than likely
*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 15, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
one might think that would be a trade chip showcase in that case
why not just dfa stav
*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 15, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
today is a great day!
*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 15, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
OH MY GOD ALLEN CRAIG IS FREED
Stavinoha to DL, according to Rains tweet
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Call the dairy! Change the plates for the milk cartons!
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.
But nobody cares if Stav is missing.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 15, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Or right as Stav hits the DL.
Perhaps he is plugging the pipe.
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 15, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm now picturing a water-logged, even puffier Nick Stavinoha.
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 15, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Why on earth would you want to see that?
My imagination alone is bad enough.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 15, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
very funny
"I told myself from the very beginning: 'If he's going to throw a shutout, then he's going to tie,'" Wainwright said. "He was not going to beat me today."
When in April was he sent back down?
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.
like I said
today is a great day!
*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 15, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
And BP stock shares jumped 7.5%
How this wasn’t already priced in blows my mind. The relief well is like 2 weeks away even if that didn’t work!
Not afraid to nitpick
I'm sure the government delayed the deployment of this cap
until they could buy up all the BP stock they could find.
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 15, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
20B has been the conservative (from BP's perspective) estimate
BP clears 20B in profit every year.
Not afraid to nitpick
I'd reckon it's going to beat 20B
20B is the starting point. BP’s liability at this point is essentially unknowable.
So many things to consider...
Fines, claims, decrease in revenue due to boycotts, etc.
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 15, 2010 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions
the one that really enrages me is the Corexit
they’ve sprayed untold amounts of that shit all over the Gulf, and it’s a trade secret as to what’s actually in Corexit. Nobody knows much of anything about its toxicity. The EPA told them to stop using it back in like May, and BP just blew them off and kept at it.
If it turns out later that the Corexit is causing problems, they are going to get nailed to the fucking wall.
No matter what though
All that was already known, how they got a 7.5% bump from something that is as relatively insignificant as capping the leak 2 weeks before the relief well finishes it off amazes me.
But hey I’m happy, I cleaned out some savings to pick up some shares at $29.35….nifty little 32% return in 2 weeks.
Not afraid to nitpick
Nobody Cares About Your Stock Market Returns
….seriously though, I wouldn’t think that’d be a great bet to hold on to in the long term….sell it high.
Obviously
It’s crazy volatile and I’m probably just gonna take the gains and run, but just the fact that the stock jumped 7.5% on the cap means people are trading on headlines/emotions and not the business—-that’s a situation you can take advantage of.
Not afraid to nitpick
yup but all power to those who do.
i just can’t bring myself to do it ethically or i’d have been there a few weeks ago.
"The outfield is deep and playing him straight-away, and the infield is the same, except first, second, third, and short are playing him to pull."
-Mike Shannon
ethically?
pour quoi?
It’s not like BP gets the money that you use to buy the stock. Oh, sure, their executives have a ton of equity and stock options and the like, so in a theoretical sense, you are helping the value of their individual portfolios ins some miniscule way, but not in any real, or meaningful sense. Not even like a drop of oil i the ocean.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jul 15, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I reserve the right not to believe that
if this works, great, but let’s see if it holds up. There’s a lot of damaged equipment down there that needs to be able to stand up to the pressure.
From everything I’ve read, the relief well always has been the main event. They’re pretty close on that.
I feel like some Heritage Organic Milk
weird.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Organic milk?
I hate to break it to ya, but that’s the biggest racket I’ve ever heard of.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 15, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
why is it a racket?
I have no idea, just curious. Also, why is the expiration date for organic milk a month or two longer than regular milk?
youneverknow
How much more is a gallon of organic vs regular?
I have no idea I just know it’s way more. Organic milk sells the idea that it has no anibiotics or steriods, blah, blah, blah.
1. Regular milk has no antibiotics in it either. It can’t have any in it, they test every load to make sure of it. Every farm has a sample pulled every load. If a truck comes up hot then the individual samples are checked to see who is the offending farm. then that individual has to pay for the whole load themselves. Economically, it stands to reason that no one would try to send bad milk thru. You stand to lose too much. The level of anitbiotics that will set off a detector is about 100 times less than the amount it would take to give you any kind of reaction or immunity build up.
2. Streriods. Most all of the distributors, Prairie Farms, Pevely, etc. Have been paying extra for their producers to stop using Steroids.With new innovations in feeding technology, feed stuffs themselves, understanding of how just the enviroment affects dairy cows, the impact of BHT is actually lessened and not needed to boost production.
3. In order to go organic you have to buy organic feedstuffs at an inflated price because of the specialty. If you give a cow antibiotics then you have to get rid of the cow. Where does the cow end up? more than likely in a slaughter house somewhere and thusly the cow is still ending up in the food chain. Nobody is just going to kill the cow just because. So what was the gain? It’s actually more of a pyramid scheme, The only real people that make money off of it are the brokers because they are at the top of the chain. It takes three years to get certified organic, during which time it costs the producer more to produce their product and get the same return as non-organic producers, it’s just not worth it.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 15, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
ok, but it saves tons and tons and tons of fertilizers and antibiotics from being used.
better for the planet. tastes like shit though, i’m about as hippie as they come but i can’t bring myself to drink organic milk because they ultrapasteurize most of it because of how far a lot of it travels (this answers the above question about why it lasts so long). it caramelizes a lot of the milk sugars and makes it taste very different to me.. i don’t enjoy it.
"The outfield is deep and playing him straight-away, and the infield is the same, except first, second, third, and short are playing him to pull."
-Mike Shannon
I'll just say this about the use of fertilizers.
It’s a good thing that the whole world doesn’t depend on organic food producers otherwise they’d starve to death.
Without the use of fertilizers your production decreases significantly. You could say, “not in my organic garden, it doesn’t.” That’s fine and dandy. But the whole world doesn’t have access to your garden. Trying to grow massive amounts of food over a wide range of ground isn’t going to be possible if you don’t fertilize it. I’m not big on the use of pesticides and herbicides, but without their usage or the employ of the newer stacked plants that have built in resistance and thus a lesser need for either one, your actual production goes right out the window.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 15, 2010 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions
If an individual wants to eat produce that wasn't treated with pesticides and herbicides,
let them. If they want to eat meat that wasn’t injected with antibiotics and hormones, let them. It’s the free market. And there is an rapidly growing market for it. If I’m not mistaken, organics is the fastest growing segment of food sales.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Alright, I'll shut up now.
Sorry to take up space.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 15, 2010 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
well, i have to say i disagree.
the whole world would starve to death if we continued agriculture in its current form, and merely stopped using fertilizers. that is certainly true, and i think that was your point.
however, i could get into pages and pages of why the food production system on this planet is irreversibly broken and WILL have to change at some time in the future. most importantly, fertilizers, in the form we’re accustomed to, are made out of oil, which we’re gonna run out of … but enough hippie talk out of me.
"The outfield is deep and playing him straight-away, and the infield is the same, except first, second, third, and short are playing him to pull."
-Mike Shannon
Look, I don't want to belabor this in any fashion.
I don’t completely disagree with what you are saying. There are a lot of things that I don’t agree with how they are done. I’ve been doing this all my life. I’ve seen the differences between when things are done one way and when they are done another. I am trying to get our dairy off of conventional farming and into rotational grazing. Less costs, less labor and close to same production levels when done correctly. But I can fairly certainly say that we will never bother with the organic side. As natural as possible? Yes.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 15, 2010 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions
But are YOU married?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Oddly enough, yes I am.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 15, 2010 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions
i'm with you.
i’d prefer to buy local over organic any day. and like i said, i tend to dislike organic milk, because i don’t like ultrapasteurized milk.
but given the opportunity, i would prefer to buy vegetables, fruit, and grains that were grown without pesticides and fertilizers, because i believe that in many cases, they have a much lower impact on the planet (and they often taste better!).
but seriously, didn’t know you were a dairy farmer. i think i speak for a lot of people when i say thank you… you’re the people who keep us going. i have immense respect for people actually in the agriculture business, because i know despite all the preconceived notions i have of what’s right and what’s wrong, when it comes down to it, i’m not the one growing the food, and i know you all have a vastly different perspective on it than us.
"The outfield is deep and playing him straight-away, and the infield is the same, except first, second, third, and short are playing him to pull."
-Mike Shannon
Sorry I didn't get back yesterday to reply.
Don’t blame you on passing on the ultra-pasteurized milk. That sounds to terrible to think about. I couldn’t tell you when the last time I had pasteurized milk was. I drink my own unpasteurized milk.lol Wouldn’t trade it for anything.
If we’re talking fruits and vegetables, then I can’t really argue there. Homegrown is way better. Here’s the thing about fertilizers, the only fertilizers that use petroleum is nitrogen. Potash doesn’t need it, Lime doesn’t need it and if they hadn’t done away with Triple Super, phosphorus didn’t need it. The worst impact that nitrogen has is that it can raise the acidity of your soil. Nitrogen is the key here, without it plants wouldn’t grow anywhere near as well. There are many techniques that can be employed to help lessen the amount of nitrogen used. I’m just glad that I don’t have to buy much fertilizer.
Thanks for those words. Don’t need to thank us though really, just trying to do our jobs is all. Wish we could have a sit down sometime, we might both come away with differ viewpoints.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 16, 2010 4:34 AM EDT up reply actions
indeed
maybe someday! i do know that every time i’ve sat down with a farmer and talked (which has happened a lot, albeit usually farmers of the small, often organic variety; i study environmental chemistry & environmental economics, focusing on fisheries and water quality) i’ve come away with a different perspective than i came in with.
and that’s a good point on fertilizers. like you said though, nitrogen’s the one that’s the key, so oil still seems to be a limiting factor somewhat. i fertilize my own garden at home with manure (chicken, etc) but i understand that doesn’t necessarily work when the agriculture gets scaled up….
"The outfield is deep and playing him straight-away, and the infield is the same, except first, second, third, and short are playing him to pull."
-Mike Shannon
I picked some up at Trader Joe's in Seattle
after locating Dave Duncan, getting my haircut, and determining how Big Z was doing.
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 15, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
there it is
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Dammit Y2S,
Lemme know when you’re not being serious. I wouldn’t have typed all that crap out otherwise.
/grumble, grumble
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 15, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
but we learned something
now whenever someone has an organic milk question, you’re on call.
[pats stapler]
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
He was being serious, I just de-railed the subthread.
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 15, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Excellent job, by the way.
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.
injury recap from Mo's presser
Luddy—10 days away
Freese—2 weeks away
Lohse—Bullpen Saturday
Penny—reevaluated today—no update as of yet
Ottavino—Shoulder Surger for “slap tear”? unknown severity to Mo, no timetable known.
Stupid Sexy Flanders!!!
Surger = Surgery
Stupid Sexy Flanders!!!
by timmycardinals on Jul 15, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
nothing
hopefully that means…Colby Rasmus—CF
Stupid Sexy Flanders!!!
by timmycardinals on Jul 15, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously the Freese/Ludwick/Penny injuries are infuriating
It reminds me of that great Tom Hanks movie the Money Pit where all of the contractors keep telling him the house will be done in “2 Weeks” as they tear it down to the ground.
Nothing positive whatsoever.
Except maybe the Lohse bullpen session, pending results.
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 15, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
WTF happened to Saturday?
Damnit I miss having RFL!!! on this team.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
re Luddy
Mo said (and I paraphrase) that it could be sooner, but rather be precautionary. “we don’t want a repeat of KC”. they’d put him through a very ‘rigorous test’ and see how he responds.
Stupid Sexy Flanders!!!
by timmycardinals on Jul 15, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
VEB cheering section!
*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 15, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
[charlie brown aauuuugggghhh]
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I thought SLAP tear
was what you heard on the 5th Mel Gibson tape.
An audible SLAP and then some crying.
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 15, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Stav?
heh
*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 15, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
sorry--
said he hurt his shoulder diving Sunday in OF. not sure if more than 15 days is needed.
Sounds like Craig will be here for 7-10 days at least.
Let’s hope he starts 5> of those.
Stupid Sexy Flanders!!!
by timmycardinals on Jul 15, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Let's hope that Craig tears the cover off the ball when he's in there.
Maybe TLR won’t have the ability to put Stav back on without a mutiny.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 15, 2010 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions
anyone else think he is up here to showcase for a potential trade?
"I told myself from the very beginning: 'If he's going to throw a shutout, then he's going to tie,'" Wainwright said. "He was not going to beat me today."
Not going to bet against it.
But I really hope not.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 15, 2010 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Worst Part
is 10 days on Ludwick, everything else is expected.
At least we’ll have Craig/Winn/Jay playing instead of Stav/Winn/Jay
I hope they let Winn go after Luddy comes back.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Ottavino being done for at least a year and possibly done period would be the worst for me
Not afraid to nitpick
Yeah.
I had no idea his injury was that serious. If it has been an ongoing problem since April, could it have started as a small tear and gotten worse?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Probably
But I mean every big league pitcher has labrum problems so that’s not really on the Cardinals or anything like that.
Not afraid to nitpick
That's what I was wondering.
If they had made the problem worse by allowing him to continue to pitch.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
can someone sum the last two days up for me real quick please
mo gets 3 year extension, allen craig up, stav on the dl
what else did i miss?
joey as in...?
help me out here..
i also caught a fuck-the-heck meme in passing
did that spread like wildfire yet?
Scroll up to the longest subthread if you really want to see how it went down.
Giving you a summary would be like picking a scab.
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 15, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Kyle Lohse threw from a mound,
and apparently did not aggravate anything.
Alex Gonzalez was traded from Toronto to Atlanta for Yunel Escobar and others.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
my theory is that allen craig is a trade chip
*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 15, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Nothing.
If you believe Straussicorn’s chat ramblings, we have Carmona, Westbrook, Stephen Drew, and Haren “on our radar” and Albert Pujols is a 50-50 shot at re-signing.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Cristian Guzman is at the top of the list for SS, also.
Not sure which list, but Strauss mentioned it.
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 15, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
to me SS might be the hardest to upgrade
take not, mo
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 15, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
try that again
take note, mo
*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 15, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I didn't get that.
He is terrible. I hope we’d give up very little for him, if we acquired him.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
plus isn't he more of a 2b now?
we already have one guy who will play ss when he should play 2b (Lopez once Freese is back)
I agree.
I think we should just go with that and give Greene the bulk of the PAs at SS to see what we have in him.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Not much, if we were willing to take on salary
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Exactly.
And that’s why I think he is a good fit. DeWitt said the Cards would rather acquire a pitcher that is low in talent cost and take on salary, which is what the Cards would be doing with Westbrook.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Sounds good to me
Does it seem like we deal with Cleveland and Oakland more than any other teams, or is it just me?
Well,
we certainly have as of late. But, I think that’s more a product of those two organizations being the role of sellers and the Cards being in the role of buyer.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I would be intrigued by what it would take to get Marcum from the Jays
or Carmona from the Tribe.
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 15, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions
AVENGE!!
rbfallstromAP Dodgers activate Manny Ramirez. He’s batting cleanup vs. Cardinals 7 minutes ago via web
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
only his hair
don’t know what he keeps under it
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
It reveals his metallic Predator skull.
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 15, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
all the more reason why vengeance is required.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Stav DL'd and Springer to the Reds. what a day.
"The outfield is deep and playing him straight-away, and the infield is the same, except first, second, third, and short are playing him to pull."
-Mike Shannon
Another great piece of Joe Posnanski,
talking about his first World Cup experience. It includes this nugget:
Albert Pujols’ brilliance would not mean as much to me if I didn’t know about Stan Musial and his peekaboo batting stance that Ted Lyons said looked like a boy looking around a corner to see if the cops were coming.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Lineup (whither Tyler Greene?)
1. Felipe Lopez, 3B
2. Colby Rasmus, CF
3. Albert Pujols, 1B
4. Matt Holliday, LF
5. Allen Craig, RF
6. Yadier Molina, C
7. Aaron Miles, 2B
8. Chris Carpenter, SP
9. Brendan Ryan, SS
You just did.
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.
over
Molina will go 3-4 tonight
Rasmus can hit lefties
cardinalred
St. Louis Sports blog
by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 15, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions
wow
Craig gets a chance pretty fast there. it feels weird that I don’t mind seeing Miles start over Skip that much. although I’d rather see Greene start at second.
*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 15, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I was hoping for a lineup with all of Rasmus, Craig, and Greene.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I was hoping for Jon Jay in RF but oh well
*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 15, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Lefty starter for LA.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
ah
I never pay attention to splits. I would make a weird manager
*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 15, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions
although I do know better than to pitch Reyes vs righties
*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 15, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Craig is like the anti-Jay
Hits the ball well, but it doesn’t drop in. Jay flails at the plate, hits the ball weirdly, and it always falls in.
Not that I have a problem with riding Jay’s luck until it runs out. But he’s not a good hitter.
What is Jay's BABIP?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
.434
with it, he’s hitting .377/.394/.594 for a .421 wOBA / 0.9 WAR
bb% is 2.7
k% is 18.8
you have to search for jonathan jay to find the major league stats on fangraphs – the entry on jon jay is minor league only
אנא טוני לא יותר ט.א.ס.ס
Searching for "jon jay" was my mistake, then.
The falloff from this run of luck is going to be Stavinoha-esque.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
as a hitter, he's just not very good.
I wouldn’t expect the k/bb to stay so bad – this is a very small sample size – but for a guy who’s career minor league ops is, if i recall correctly, on the bad side of .800, i doubt the mle is very much over .700… so nearly touching 1.0 is just absurd luck, and the babip bears that out.
אנא טוני לא יותר ט.א.ס.ס
my excitement that craig is in there is CRUSHED by the fact that miles is starting
AND BATTING SEVENTH!!!
i ALMOST love this team again. it will be complete is tony DFA’s miles when freese comes back, DFA’s stavinoha eventually and DFA’s winn when ludwick comes back.
follow me on twitter @nickg105
by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 15, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions
And fewer errors
So Miles is a better hitter and a better defender.
And don’t forget his usefulness when somebody needs a blow
That last sentence is just asking to get knocked out of the park.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 15, 2010 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions
in all honesty, if greene goes down when freese comes back
it won’t make me want to punch somebody, aaron miles still being on the team and all. now, if jon jay/allen craig goes down when ludwick is ready and jon jay/allen craig goes down when stavinoha is ready, then i hate the bench and tony all over again.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 15, 2010 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions
DAMN YOU AARON MILES
GET OFF MY BASEBALL TEAM!!!!
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
It would make me so much happier to see Gotay in the 7 spot instead of Miles
He can’t be any worse at second base, and he can’t be any worse with the bat, so why isn’t he on this team?
Mo you tease
andrewdmoses Mo: “Wednesday was busy,” speaking of trade discussion activity. #stlcards 4 minutes ago via Twitter for iPhone
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
OMG
I was on here earlier complaining because nothing was going on.
Welcome Allen Craig! Ottovina is injured, who knew. Stav is on the DL??
"I told myself from the very beginning: 'If he's going to throw a shutout, then he's going to tie,'" Wainwright said. "He was not going to beat me today."
they said Ottavino was injured a couple of weeks ago I think
I wish that they’d just DFA Stav but a DL stint will work for now I guess
*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 15, 2010 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, yes, I do remember now that he was injured. I was thinking it was a
“we need room on the roster” injury. But this sounds like serious surgery.
"I told myself from the very beginning: 'If he's going to throw a shutout, then he's going to tie,'" Wainwright said. "He was not going to beat me today."
Bad news
Since he was on the big league roster when he got hurt, the whole injury time will count as MLB service.
Given the apparent severity of the injury. . .
that is small beer.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jul 15, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't have air conditioning
getting a nice night’s rest has been a little difficult lately. so humid
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 15, 2010 5:46 PM EDT reply actions
ok, I just took some drugs for the face-exploding thing
I don’t think VEB counts as heavy machinery….
if translation is required, ask Ghostrider
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Hey Ghostrider
What the fuck is Y2S talking about?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
oh i forgot
leave him a tip
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Fifth horse in the fourth race
Ok, Ghostrider, what the fuck is Y2S talking about?
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.
Wow, I was at the game on Sunday in Houston and saw Stav make that awkward dive in RF
Immediately said to my wife “He’s going to the DL”… not sure if TV showed it, but he was holding his arm funny for a while. I rejoiced while hoping it was just a small injury so Craig has enough time to make it impossible to send him back down, so we can finally DFA Stav.
That’s what TLR gets for starting Nick “runs in sand” Stavinoha in the outfield.
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