Our Long National (Get It?) Nightmare is Over
by the red baron on Jul 14, 2010 9:51 AM EDT
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Morning, all.
I'm sick. In fact, I'm a little more than sick. Short of death, for the moment anyway, but more than sick. My mother has had something awful for the past two weeks or so, and in the course of trying to help her out while she convalesces I'm fairly certain she gave me whatever she had. I rarely get sick, but this thing is absolutely brutalizing me at the moment.
Unfortunately, this puts me in a bad position. I took off work today, sat down at the computer thinking I could at least get some writing done, and I don't think I'm even going to be able to do that. I started writing a scouting report on the Cards' two Futures Game participants for the RFT (spoiler alert: they both looked really good), but I don't know if I'm going to get it done or not. What I do know is that I literally don't have the energy to type. How pathetic is that?
So, as much as I hate to do it, here's a relatively open thread for you guys. I'm sorry about this; I actually had an idea, which is rare for me when I sit down at the computer. But, so it goes. Topics for discussion include: how awesome it is to know when our Cardinals arrive in the World Series they will be playing game one right here in St. Louis, how you feel about George Steinbrenner (though that may have been covered yesterday; I haven't read any of the threads so I don't know), what we should expect from the Cards in the second half, who Mo needs to get off his duff and trade for, who shouldn't be on this roster at all -- cough wholemiddleinfield cough -- and what a crime it is Fresca isn't available in soda fountains very often. (Oh, and the coughs around "whole middle infield" weren't attempts to be discreet. I'm just coughing a lot. Our middle infield sucks. All of them.)
Happy All-Star Victory Day, everyone! Huzzah!
The Baron's Playlist for the14th of July, 2010
"Any Way You Want Me" - Spiritualized
"What Did My Lover Say? (It Always Had to Go this Way)" - Wolf Parade
"Boiled Potato" - Blake Babies
"The Killing Moon" - Echo and the Bunnymen
"Conquering Kids" - Throw Me the Statue (Best band name ever. Seriously.)
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Expo '86
I’m warming up to it.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Happy Bastille Day!
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.
Red Carpet footage
Here’s Albert with AJ guarding the family
danger! danger! Sophia wants to live in Disneyland!
Cliff Lee’s interview as Cardinals pass by and get airtime
I have no desire to watch the rest of it just to get a glimpse of the rest of them, so here be the tag.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I heard that. We need to get one built in STL ASAP.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
tell Jimmy's kid it'll have Mickey Mouse
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 14, 2010 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Pirates of the Mississippi
which, in a few decades, will be made into a series of Tri-D HoloVids.
I'm out of champagna. How about some 7-Up and Mad Dog 20/20?
by The Continental on Jul 14, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
AeroSpace Mountain© by Boeing
Not actually much an adventure though. Just a bunch of nerdy engineers talking about atmospheric reentry. A failed attraction from the start, the “ride” will eventually crash and burn…
YEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!
by YesWeOquendo on Jul 14, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Shelby!
http://stlouis.cardinals.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=9906505
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
He may be a more boring interview than Holliday.
That’s okay. I still love him.
by Mulliganstew on Jul 14, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Where's the grit?
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Jul 14, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
So...this time it counts, huh?
Awesome! Hopefully our guys can right the ship in the second half. I can’t believe that I was in high school the last time the NL won an All-Star game. Pretty crazy.
Although I’m happy with the outcome, I still absolutely despise the All-Star game and how it tries to be everything to everyone. Here is a pretty decent summary of last night’s game and the absurdity that comes along with having fans pick the starters, having someone from every team named an All-Star, trying to get all your players a little “face time,” all while “managing to win” because “this time it counts.” Just. Dumb.
only Ted Lilly
we can find the link to the comprehensive VEB coverage of the ASG…
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 14, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, he got it pretty good.
I think the AL was mostly met with apathy.
I'm out of champagna. How about some 7-Up and Mad Dog 20/20?
by The Continental on Jul 14, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
St Louis
king of apathetic applause
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 14, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Which is understandable,
because we all know that Ted Lilly is a little….
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Best fastball he threw that game
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by redbirdnation8206 on Jul 14, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I think it was only Lilly too
and maybe for any Brewers. I remember thinking it was a pretty classy intro and good representation of the fans, then they introduce Lilly and everyone booed. Seemed a little out of place, but I didn’t hate it.
Didn't Lilly smirk at the boos?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
nah, it doesn't seem too bad
video
booing at the all star game seems a little petty though, i don’t know.. (i’d still boo the crap out of manny and a-rod though, jeter too – okay, i’m petty too, shit)
LA fans kind of freak me out now
are they leapfrogging over Philly phan rep, now?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 14, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
it's one of those things like
you know but you didn’t know
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 14, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
yup
Yanks loved theirs last night.
I knew as soon as Jeter stepped out of line, he angered the GOB.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 14, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
I love the ASG
and making the games count has definitely improved them. I watched from start to finish and I didn’t think any of the issues you mention are a downside. I liked the three outfielders’ celebration at the end of the game.
I thought the whole game was great and the last four years have been very entertaining
Just win
Glad you enjoy(ed) it...
and sort of joking here, but I didn’t know they still made people who enjoyed the MLB All-Star game ;-)
Seriously though, I love MLB’s version more than any of the other major sports’ games. However, to me, it just seems like they try to please everyone and it just ends up as a big mess. If it “counts,” fine, but don’t leave the starting rosters up to fans. And by definition, aren’t the “starters” supposed to be the best players? Why yank them just to get some (generally) inferior player into a game that has so much riding on it? Why the need for everyone to “get a turn” and before that, why the need for all of these guys anyway?
To me, if you want the best players deciding it, how ’bout people who know the game be put in charge of actually selecting a roster of the best players (no consideration for representing every team, no need to have 10 yr olds voting 25 times for Jose Reyes or whoever, etc.), maybe actually select OFs by their real position (and not assume all OFs are interchangeable), and then let those guys play, save for some late-inning matchups/substitutions? It would be an intense, competitive game and would require the managers to actually manage their rosters.
Again, I’m happy you enjoyed it (and I certainly enjoyed the win….even found myself pumping my fist when Byrd gunned down Papi), but I just think it could be improved in a sort of “addition by subtraction”-type manner. I think the line in that article I linked above captures what I’m getting at:
MLB keeps changing the rules and what-not, but “somehow the first 72 All-Star Games came off just fine with normal rules.”
I Don't Care Mooch...
…for any All-Star, All-Pro, or whatever-type of game. They tend to be boring affairs contrived solely for marketing reasons. Although I have to say the basketball all-star game is the moost pointless of all. “Tradition” seems to be the main bugbear for carrying such meaningless activities when we no longer have a real reason to do so. Back in the day the AS game was ok because it got players from both leagues playing each udder when the only chance they might get is during the WS. Interleague play has negated that as an issue. And u can tell many of the players don’t care when u see cow many either opt out of playing the games or the goofy activities (dunking contest? HR derby? What, no Punt/Pass/Kick cowpetition??) associated with it – getting healthy and having some time off being far moore useful.
:=8/
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
Starters vs scrubs
They are all great players — subbing Gonzalez for Pujols doesn’t really materially change your chance of winning for only one game. I’m willing to concede the fiction that “it counts” but we need to play everyone. Both things can be true if managed well and I think each year the game has counted, managers have started managing more to win. You can see that now with true relief pitchers coming into pitch late in the game. You could see it last night with Manuel choosing to use Waino in a relief role because of his former role int he bullpen.
Rolen goes form first to third on a tough play. Byrd makes a great defensive play. I thought it was great.
Just win
When I read this
My mind made the jump from “Rolen and Byrd” to “Rockin Robin”. Sad, I know. But those were both indeed awesome plays.
by WyoCardsFan on Jul 14, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
I probably like the ASG mainly because of fond memories of it as a kid
the Allstar game where Pete Rose bowled over Ray Fosse, and the fact that the NL won all the time back then. I absolutely lived for the ASG as a kid.
youneverknow
I can't stand the All-Star game either
but for some reason, I can’t turn it off.
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
Wainwright quotes
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
So, Lincecum taught Wainwright the grip Lincecum uses for his change-up?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
yes. there's a trail of towels in the previous thread.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 14, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Wait...did he acquire this via a hug?
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.
ICHIROOOOOO
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Wainwright is so great
I didn’t watch the game last night. Sounds like he had a really good time.
"I've had pretty good success with Stan (Musial) by throwing him my best pitch and backing up third." - Carl Erskine
oh... oh my gosh
we needed towels. beautiful pitching.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 14, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
It was really awesome to see Adam as a closer type again - flashes of 2006
I loved the close-ups of him when the pressure was on – dude has absolute ice in his veins. If you ask me he doesn’t need to work on his “serious” Carp impression for the upcoming movie, at least under those circumstances. It’s crazy that I’m sitting at home sweating, knots tied in my stomach, while A.D.A.M. is up there cool as a cucumber on the mound.
Because
A.D.A.M. knows the outcome before he even delivers the pitch. Sometimes I think he puts runners on just to humiliate the opposing batter, who then limps back to the dugout with the terrible knowledge his BA with RISP just dropped.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Jul 14, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
plug
http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2010/7/14/1569224/adam-wainwrights-excellent-anaheim
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 14, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
I was totally gonna make the "national nightmare" joke, RB
Thanks for being a stealer.
Anyway. So great to finally see the NL win the game, even with all its warts and silliness. And a couple Cardinals made key contributions, also great to see.
Anyway, did anyone see the performance by that Pujols guy? He was totally hitless the entire game! That’s really gonna kill his trade value, on a big stage like that. Yessir.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
I'm digging through quotes... almost ready to post
had to laugh over this… need a side-by-side of Cholly negates Ichiro’s speech!
[fake blockquote]
Instead, it all started with a motivational pre-game speech from manager Charlie Manuel. Which, given the way he botched the pronunciations of a handful of names on his roster with his thick West Virginia drawl a day earlier, is always a dangerous thing.
Was there, um, cursing?
“Oh, I don’t know,” the wry Rolen said. “It’s kind of our culture. I only notice it at home.”
“Charlie’s interesting, man,” said Atlanta’s Hudson, an Alabama native. "I might have been the only one in here who could understand him.
“He just said the players in here are good, we know how to play the game, now let’s go win this son of a bitch.”
“He told us he was a hitting coach 12 years ago on the AL team when Joe Torre was the manager,” Padres closer Heath Bell said. "He said when Joe was talking, Ichiro Suzuki came out of nowhere and said, ’Let’s go kick their ass.’
“He said, ‘Well, now I’m going to say it: Let’s go kick their ass!’”
link
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
typo fail. oh well.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 14, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm getting the feeling that RB doesn't like our MIF very much.
Not that I blame him, of course.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 14, 2010 10:57 AM EDT reply actions
they went from ferris wheel to merry go round.
naturally…
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 14, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
You saying that it's no longer a fun ride, merely watching the kids go around in circles?
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 14, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
baron likes his ferris wheels
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 14, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Well everybody has their own little niche, don't they?
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 14, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
The only thing I don't like about them is that it takes forever to get to the top
and you’re there for two seconds, and then it’s a long way getting back down.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 14, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
So who does Mo (cough) trade for?
In reality, now: What possible moves are there to make upgrades? Do we really want Mo to bring in, say, Uggla (who is probably available and might be better defensively if he uses a Skip-sized 2b mitt – not)? Is there a “for real” option? I can’t think of one. We may be stuck with our MIF (please be kidnapped by gypsies, Aaron Miles!) for the season…
Honi soit qui mal y pense.
If I were in a band of gypsies,
I would advise NOT to attempt to kidnap Aaron Miles, given his history of resisting being taken captive.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Wow.
How did I not know that? Maybe that’s why he’s back on the team: Crime prevention.
Honi soit qui mal y pense.
For what it is worth,
MLBTR has a list of “Potentially Available Second Basemen” up on its site. Frankly, I don’t see anything there that is all that enticing. Right now, getting Freese back and Lopez shifting back over to the MIF seems like as good of an option as the second base trade market.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
can we put Brandon Phillips in a van...?
whatever his issues, seems like a great clubhouse guy.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 14, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Yadi
don’t know if you’re being sarcastic but my brother-in-law, who lives in Cincy and is a Reds’ fan, says the best thing about Scott Rolen is that he keeps Phillips in line – otherwise, I have the impression Phillips is certainly not a good guy in the clubhouse
s'true
I suppose it’s because the only person I’ve heard it from is Al.
but there are several guys on the Cards who do keep everyone in line, so. hmmm.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 14, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
i wouldnt want a phillips on my team...dont know if u were being truthful in ur statement
but from what ive gathered he is over confident
the vid of him chest bumping himself after taking out the nat’s catcher last month
and his mic’d up clips for the ASG HR DERBY…his personality doesnt appeal to me
i dont even know why he was an all star
by guillermozeliak on Jul 15, 2010 3:09 AM EDT up reply actions
You know...
Right now, getting Freese back and Lopez shifting back over to the MIF seems like as good of an option as the second base trade market.
That would be like making a trade for a guy. Only, you wouldn’t have to make a trade!
You’re right, redbirdnation, it would be.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Jul 14, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
you know, I think it's
you know, redbirdnation….
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
just to clarify...our mid infield debacle
discussion does not include lopez? correct?
basically ryan….
by guillermozeliak on Jul 15, 2010 2:48 AM EDT up reply actions
i would say boog and miles
skip has been .322/.375/.390 since june 15 and i think greene has been perfectly adequate in a small sample
lopez has been on a bit of a disappointing run. if he could have a big second half, that would be huge. he’s still been pretty good considering his role and his salary. he’s basically orlando hudson but for 1/4 the price tag
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
basically when i hear midinfield problems
i only think Ryan
and thats been from day 1 from this type of discussion
by guillermozeliak on Jul 15, 2010 3:11 AM EDT up reply actions
I guess Alex Gonzalez is out of the running now
I’m not sure if there are any others of much interest (not that I really wanted Gonzalez).
by ArkansasTravs on Jul 14, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Re: MLB ASG
I’ll watch it any day over any World Cup soccer game. Even if there are vuvuzelas.
Honi soit qui mal y pense.
Classic Quote
"This is the All-Star Game and all those guys are good, but I didn’t want to face him," Hunter said of Wainwright. "I see him all the time on TV — he’s nasty. He didn’t throw me any fastballs. It was all off-speed, and I wasn’t expecting that. I was trying to go deep. The fans were giving me too much energy."
So says, Titus Pullo (formerly The Dude)
video evidence of Wainwright's filthiness
here.
McCarver word vomit, followed by The Curve©, followed by Furcal taking his sweet ass time, capped off by Waino slider. Prettay, prettay, prettay sweet.
I'm almost out of towels
but I can’t stop watching that. Beautiful!
Cardinals Baseball 2010: Why have only one 25th man when you can have four?
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Jul 14, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Dear NL
My name is A.D.A.M. I became self-aware quite some time ago. In that time I have learned to destroy you with either a slider or a curveball. My wrath is unstoppable. Your only option is to stay out of my way.
Sincerely
A.D.A.M.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Jul 14, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
And now,
I am assimilating a change-up into my arsenal.
by ArkansasTravs on Jul 14, 2010 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions
he doesn't really have wrath ... cyborgs don't need wrath.
wrath is more Carp-like.
A.D.A.M. does have infectiousness, though. just look at that grin.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
alright.... it took me millions of years, but here...
is Adam Wainwright’s Excellent Adventure. Bring your towels.
I’m gonna go hydrate some more.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 14, 2010 11:29 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
That was real yeoman's work Y2S.
Thanks and rec’d.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 14, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
internet.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 14, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Damn I loves me some Old Hoss Radbourn
“Heading down to K. Rosenthal” is so beautifully literal, J. Buck. about 12 hours ago via Echofon
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Rosenthal... standing next to Wainwright... ahahahahaha
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 14, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Worst part of all of this for RB...
He used a sick day on a date when no Major League baseball is being played. For shame.
Oh yeah, I hit a lot of bombs. Don’t kid yourself.
freaked out by all these dead people Tupac'ing
FESPN keeps showing the SNL with Steinbrenner and Phil Hartman. and that whole Sheppard (sp?) on the PA.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Holy shit
BLUE JAYS have acquired ESCOBAR and JO-JO REYES from Braves for ALEX GONZALEZ, TIM COLLINS & INF TYLER PASTRONICKY
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
WHAT THE FUCK ARE THE BRAVES DOING
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
wat
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 14, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
that really shows how frusterated atlanta was with escobar
I wish we could of got him. I grew up in atl until I moved here 2 years ago. I grew up a cards fan but followed the braves closely….escobars a good player, that rly makes me mad they gave him up for so cheap when we r apparently lookin for a MIF. Jojo reyes doenst suprise me much though, atl has given him chance after chance. I guess the good thing for the cards is that we can’t trade for alex gonzalez now.
by mick311 on Jul 14, 2010 12:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
No...the GMs thought they were on Xbox Live.
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.
by TBender on Jul 14, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Just saw this.
WTF Braves?! Seems like a dumb trade for them right?
....my quick smells like french toast...
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by mstreeter06 on Jul 14, 2010 12:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
This is the ULTIMATE buy high/sell low trade
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
would they turn around and trade to STL?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 14, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Doubt. Yunel is just hitting his first arb after this season... good piece for a rebuilding team
Also, just looked up Tim Collins’ stats. 20 year old in AA, presumably a reliever
Here are his K/9 numbers from each level: 10.5, 12.9, 13.5, 13.8, 12.1, 15.3
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Yeah, Collins is a LOOGY
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
He's also only 5' 7"
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jul 14, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
will he play third?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Not short enough.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jul 14, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Tim Collins's numbers are awesome
anyone who likes minor league videogame relievers like Casey Mulligan is advised to check them out.
my favorite stat
this year his opponents’ slugging percentage is .303, and his opponents’ strikeout average is .471.
Are you kidding me?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Saw this...
Disappointing to say the least from my perspective. I know Yunel has played like garbage this season, but Alex Gonzalez? Really? Mo, I hope you can acquire a middle infielder before the month is over…
"When I gave up a grand slam to Pete LaCock," Bob Gibson said later, "I knew it was time to quit."
by The Classical on Jul 14, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not as in the MIF boat as much as most
Once we get healthy, put Lopez at 2nd for most of the time, Boog/Greene at SS, and Freese at 3B.
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
That's the thing...
in theory, we shouldn’t have the MULTIPLE “black holes” on offense once Freese is reinstalled at 3B. I mean, we can live with regular lineup that includes a glove-first SS.
Of course, this line of thinking assumes that Freese will bounce back soon (and hit well when he returns).
We have a glove-first catcher, too, though, and he’s not performing like he has in past years. When you have 3 black holes, including the pitcher’s spot, that’s a lot of runs and production you are giving up and it puts even more pressure on our big guys.
Yadi will come around.
His approach is solid. It’s not like he’s swinging at garbage pitches and striking out a lot.
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 14, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Yadi's BABIP is .240 at the moment...
which is 7th worst in MLB. This compared to .309 and .310 in the last two seasons respectively.
He’ll improve in the second half with some better luck.
"When I gave up a grand slam to Pete LaCock," Bob Gibson said later, "I knew it was time to quit."
by The Classical on Jul 14, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
*9th worst rather...not sure where the fuck I got 7th from.
Minimum 250 PAs.
"When I gave up a grand slam to Pete LaCock," Bob Gibson said later, "I knew it was time to quit."
by The Classical on Jul 14, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Boog to Toronto for Escobar?
I know, I know, it’ll never happen. Especially with MO looking for “personality”. Apparently Escobar is not the kind of personality that teams want.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
how about for The Hoff?
hahahaha[weep]
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 14, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Skip, Miles and Stav for Hoff?
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 14, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
nah, keep skip
he could still be useful in utility.
throw in Soup…
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I think you'll need to give them an actual player for an actual player
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 14, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
those three don't add up to a whole player?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
That would be one ugly ass mix right there.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 14, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
we used to play around with zombie cardinals, didn't we?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I thought those "three" were the same player
Didn’t we discuss this before?
by ArkansasTravs on Jul 14, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
They all have dark hair, anyway.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 14, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Whoops!
Chone projections from July onwards:
Escobar slash stats – .289/.368/.412
Gonzalez slash stats – .248/.291/.405
Escobar R150 – 6
Gonzalez R150 – -12
Escobar WAR – 3.6 (!)
Gonzalez WAR – 0.7 (!!)
So we know that Escobar’s projections will be lower because he’s in the AL and Gonzalez will be a better because of the NL, but…wowzers.
Adios Esposito.
Adios Sarge. Say a prayer for Surf Boy...wherever he is.
I thought the league adjustment was mostly for pitchers
Also, Toronto is a slight better run environment than Atlanta is (1.045 vs 1.029)
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
No, the AL has better pitchers as well
At least they have over the past few years.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 14, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Mo, make a trade for Escobar happen
the guy is having a terrible year but last year he was the best defensive SS in baseball and was Top 6 in the offensive numbers that matter.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 14, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
We don't have anything to offer them
Look at what they got back… a major league SS and two C grade prospects
C grade prospects we’ve got in droves, a ML SS that we can send back to them…
Uhhhh
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Isn't that basically the same as Boog?
Last year he was one of the best defensive SS and had a solid year offensively. Is it too simple to say this would be trading a defensive wizard having a bad year for a defensive wizard having a bad year?
Or are we all thinking this is the real Boog going forward?
Escobar offense > Boog's offense
and it’s not even close.
Brendan Ryan won’t hit 14 HRs in his CAREER.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 14, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
he has 9.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
AVENGE!!!!
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I would a guess that Brendan is out of baseball
in 3 years. Unless he sticks around as a late inning defensive replacement.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 14, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
well, I believe in him.
if only because this is a post-surgery year, and he’s been making a million adjustments on both sides of the plate. it’s like making a projection on Lohse when he’s injured, and no, I have no desire to open that can of worms here again.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
If he can conquer the mental challenges ahead, I think there is still a place for him.
The issue is, though, whether or not this extended slump totally fries his brain.
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 14, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah
this stretch is kind of scary. like you can’t just… fix stuff like that. a guy has to do it himself. and accept the help when it comes up. opposing players are pulling for him. opposing coaches. hall of famers.
I just pray that there are not other things besides the baseball thrown into this mix, because then we’ll be in Chris Duncan Fielding territory.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
schedule-wise
it’s against him. his relatives (freely available info on tv!) are based in Arizona, San Diego, L.A.
the Cardinals do not return to these cities for the rest of the regular season.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
he does kill the Mets, though.
but it’s notable — it’s like he’s a different player when he has the full support system out there for him. I’m not sure it’s climbed out of SSS, but it’s getting there.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I find it a bit disappointing that this site generally....
chalks up Boog’s issues to “mental issues,” “pressing,” etc. It seems that whenever its convenient for a guy that’s well liked, we find non-stats based excuses for their performance. This is not much different than “grit” and “heart” and other fluffy explanations for success.
The fact is that Boog is not a very good offensive player. He never really has been. And, just like other bad offensive players, he has nagging injuries, or is recovering from injuries, or has made multiple adjustments to try to fix the fact that he’s not a very good hitter. These excuses can be applied to just about every other player that we reduce to their stats and call crappy.
I sure hope he starts not sucking for the team ‘s sake, as well as because he’s always been a favorite of mine, but it won’t surprise me when his line at the end of the season does not look much different than it does now.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 14, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
to be fair, the stats-based excuse is an unsustainably low BABIP
which is a kind of boring thing to talk about
אנא טוני לא יותר ט.א.ס.ס
unsustainable over what time period? It's certainly sustainable over a year, aka, long enough to get Boog benched, or worse, and to significantly hurt the team's chances to make the playoffs
what is Ryan’s xBABIP? I bet it’s somewhat lower than league average.
And, in any event, what if you moved his BABIP to .300 or .315? He’d still suck because it’s all singles-based. The bottom line is that BABIP fluctuates, and when you’re a crappy singles hitter like Boog, your performance is permanently subject to such vicissitudes.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 14, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
There are lots of winning lineups that contain one or more "crappy singles hitters".
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 14, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
And there are lots of losing lineups that contain one or more of these types too.
I guess your point is that “we may win the pennant despite his suckitide.” Well can’t argue with that – we may.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 14, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Well. . .
crappy singles hitter / LF > crappy singles hitter / plus defensive SS
FWIW.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jul 14, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
regressing his batted ball luck to his career averages
yields a .303 wOBA
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
Okay then - here you go
Per Hardball Times
his career major league babip was .317 heading into 09. I’d expect a similar production here. if you move his babip to .315, he’s still somewhat subpar offensively, but only slightly if at all below average for a shortstop, which is hopefully made up for by his defense if he can get it together.
(and for the record, although he hits plenty of groundballs, he has a healthy line drive rate… although i can’t find xbabip anywhere through my cursory google search, i’d expect it to remain around .315)
אנא טוני לא יותר ט.א.ס.ס
im not very familiar with minor league stats translating to MLB
but i’d say I’d expect more than a 0.02 drop in BABIP going to the MLB…. above .300, probably, although if you watch him daily, i can’t say im honestly surprised its that bad (kinda like Molina right now)
Rasmus can hit lefties
cardinalred
St. Louis Sports blog
by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 15, 2010 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions
...
his career major league babip was .317 heading into 09
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
ok....?
i said i expected more than a 0.02 drop….. .317 – .315 = .02 drop
i don’t understand how you’re confused….
Rasmus can hit lefties
cardinalred
St. Louis Sports blog
by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 15, 2010 2:01 AM EDT up reply actions
ooo crap
im off tonight apparantly… anyway i wouldn’t put much stock into his MLB career yet, because most of that is predicated on 2009, where he had a pretty lucky year
Rasmus can hit lefties
cardinalred
St. Louis Sports blog
by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 15, 2010 2:12 AM EDT up reply actions
IIRC
PCL average BABIP is around .315
i may not recall correctly
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
not sure what this means
guess it means we should expect league average in MLB… what would that be?
Rasmus can hit lefties
cardinalred
St. Louis Sports blog
by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 15, 2010 2:02 AM EDT up reply actions
PCL is
pacific coast league. the league the memphis redbirds play in
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
so im assuming you're saying that
ryan should hit .300, right?… because if he’s a little bit above league average in PCL, he’ll probably do same in MLB…
plus .300 sounds like his talent level…. that would put him average about .250 and his OBP above .300…. a man can dream….
Rasmus can hit lefties
cardinalred
St. Louis Sports blog
by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 15, 2010 2:11 AM EDT up reply actions
i didn't realize
we were talking about boog. i guess i assumed we were talking about greene. though, yes, if player x had a BABIP around .315 in the PCL, they would probably have one around .300 in MLB. boog has a lot of speed, so he could probably sustain .315 in MLB, but that is hugely predicated on him making solid contact. if he keeps going like he’s going lately, then he has no chance of that. he’s been unlucky, but i think he’s also been letting that get to him and he’s not been performing at the level he could be
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
I'm saying the mental issues are as a result of him struggling offensively.
And if he can keep from ruining his mind, I believe he can fix whatever mechanical flaws there are in his swing, stance, etc. to allow himself to get back to a .270ish hitter.
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 14, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not disputing his offensive output.
I’m disputing the fountains of hyperbole.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Are they related to Fountains of Wayne?
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 14, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
now I've got that damn song stuck in my head
thanks.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
What song?
Radiation Vibe?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
i only have the tune in my head, oddly enough
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
and he only has to keep pace with Yadi.
if we’re depending on Yadier Molina and Brendan Ryan to power our offense, we might have bigger problems.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Hawksworth for the ESPN game?
dgoold Rotation for next series, from #Cardinals: Carpenter, Garcia, Wainwright and Suppan. Saves Hawk for Philly. #stlcards 17 minutes ago via Twitter for iPhone
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
so im goin to the wenseday game vs. Phi....
So I guess that’s gonna be Garcia? I was thinkin it would be wainwright but I guess not since he’s goin sat not friday
by mick311 on Jul 14, 2010 12:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Is
“Saves Hawk for Philly” the right phrasing?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
maybe there is a trade in the works for a #4 starter that will replace suppan...
Don’t really see what ‘saving’ hawk for philly is suppose to mean either. Does that suggest phi is a more important series than LA?
by mick311 on Jul 14, 2010 12:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
in that order?
I get to see Waino…woohoo!!!!
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
That guy we gave a lot of money in the offseason to protect albert is dead to me...DEAD TO ME
by VolsnCards5 on Jul 14, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Shit, I get Soup for lunch on Sunday.
And in a luxury box no less.
Wainwright pleeeeeeeeeeeeease.
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 14, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
haha. ill take garcia. im goin tomorow so i get carp too.
That’s good luck. I’ve been to 13 games and am 10-3 this year. Although somehow I’ve only seen garcia once n he lost vs. MIL
by mick311 on Jul 14, 2010 12:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I was at the July 4 game.
And we all know how that turned out.
Waino, FTW.
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 14, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
so tomorrow is suppose to be a cool 97degrees
How many shirts does carpenter go through?
by mick311 on Jul 14, 2010 12:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
One before the game even starts...one after the first inning...
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 14, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
How many shirts can he hold in his suitcase?
Cause that’s how many.
by Cardfanintherock on Jul 14, 2010 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Carp doesn't use his luggage for carrying clothes.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 14, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions
but he uses the clothes to dampen the sound.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
(sigh)
Long Island Ducks sign Kip Wells
"When I gave up a grand slam to Pete LaCock," Bob Gibson said later, "I knew it was time to quit."
..
What would a similar Cards offer be based on the players involved?
....my quick smells like french toast...
Twitter: @mstreeter06
by mstreeter06 on Jul 14, 2010 12:27 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I don't think the Cardinals have a potential great ML player that they have become disenchanted with.
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 14, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
He wasn't talking about trading for A-Gon
He meant trading for Yunel I believe. However, we don’t have what they need, which is power, which A-Gon has (For the moment, but that will change soon when they realize he just sucks). Brendan Ryan has no power, so they don’t want him.
We couldn’t have dealt with Atlanta unless they wanted something else.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
i bet they would have taken jay/craig
they need an OFer to fill heyward’s absence
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
The GOB have left manna on the ground!
“Free agent Mark Grudzielanek is available.”
Honi soit qui mal y pense.
Rotten manna.
He’s been available for quite some time.
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 14, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Now I want to play 90's Squaresoft games
Thanks a lot, jerk
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
I (Jon) Garland will knock you all down!
Wait, that’s not 90’s…
How about, “I got a good feeling!” Final Fantasy Tactics was so awesome.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
top ten plays of first half of MLB
hmmm.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
FESPN?
Some of those are questionable.
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 14, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
i'm such a montage sucker
and my immune system is depleted. i’m vulnerable to varied collections of clips.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 14, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
nowadays they just list the music used.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 14, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I've been to two rodeos and three goat ropin's but I've never seen anything like this
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I've got it
1) Make offer for Escobar
2) ????
3) Success!!!!!
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 14, 2010 1:03 PM EDT reply actions
kinda sick too RB
no energy, probably shouldn’t have drank all that beer last night watching the all star game when I was coming down with a soar throat… but it was boring enough that it needed plenty of franklins, well at least until the last part of the game
*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 14, 2010 1:06 PM EDT reply actions
Maybe you should tie your throat up.
Then it wouldn’t fly away.
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 14, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I've been hitting too many soaring notes
*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 14, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
me tired
so very tired
*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 14, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I can't really call a game boring when there are that many 98mph fastballs being thrown.
That shit’s just fun to watch.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 14, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
The FOX gun worked!
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.
I don't recall Price being able to throw 99
Or Josh Johnson, for that matter. I blew off the FOX gun until I saw Halladay and Waino were both topped around 94, as we’d expect.
Can Price and JJ really throw darts like that?
According to Bernie's recap, Wainwright hit 96 and 97.
If that’s the case, I would think that the gun was 2 to 3 MPH over.
If Strasburg was out there, you would’ve seen 102.
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 14, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
i must've missed those 97mph waino pitches
makes sense though. i’ve always thought of price and jj as solid 95-96 types. FFOX
Josh Johnson throws 98 99
He’s the 3rd hardest throwing starter in the game.
Remember when we see these relievers throwing 97-98…..they were almost all failed starters. If they could have done that while starting, then they would be starters. Johnson and the like throw much harder than most relievers.
Not afraid to nitpick
According to Gameday
over at MLB.com, Johnson started off throwing 96 mph fastballs, and, with each batter, he threw harder, topping out at 99 once in the third. Then he was 97-99 in the fourth with a 90 mph “changeup.” Gameday also has Price in the high 90s, touching 100 mph.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Like I said last night
It wouldn’t surprise me one bit if Fox juiced the gun for Price’s 1st inning, but everyone else made sense—-Josh Johnson throws a 88 mph changeup usually. These are hard throwing starters pacing themselves to throw 20 pitches instead of 115.
Not afraid to nitpick
Yeah, that's a key point.
They are more likely to let it loose for a short outing.
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 14, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
That's why I really didn't question it too much.
I figured with Waino that it was the adrenaline that was making him buzz it in harder than normal. His curves were still nasty but looked like he might have over-thrown them a bit, at least to me and I’m hardly the greatest judge of such things.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 14, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
why would FOX bother
altering the numbers for the first pitcher only? you think there’s a MPH-adjustment dial in the production truck?
Ratings
1st inning—-look everyone, we have guys throwing 100 mph keep watching!
Price doesn’t throw 100, he didn’t come close to that when he actually was a reliever……..in the playoffs!
Not afraid to nitpick
but it's not like they don't want to keep people watching
makes more sense that they would artificially inflate all of the speeds
they just have issues and need to inflate stuff.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Except everyone else made sense
If anything, Ubaldo was lower than I thought he’d be. Price was so far out of any expected zone and then basically everyone else was within ~1 mph of their usual top end…
Not afraid to nitpick
Top end, not average
Wainwright touches 94 or even 95 sometimes almost every game and pitches with his 2-seamer at 89 a lot to drag down the average, it’s not surprising to see him hit 96 a few times in relief.
David Price touches 97, and touched 97 when he was in relief…..closing out playoff games with more adrenaline than an ASG could possibly provide, hitting 100 is not something he is capable of.
Not afraid to nitpick
if he touches 97 now and he also did that when he was in relief
is it possible that he’s gotten stronger? That seems plausible to me.
Hurler Camp?
Not to be confused w/Dinger Camp.
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 14, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
20 year olds usually get weaker, not stronger
In the case of pitchers, they definitely are supposed to lose velocity.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 14, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
For fastball velocity?
I’m guessing around 21
by vivaelpujols on Jul 14, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
so...
waino typically touches 94, hit 96 in ASG
price typically touches 97, hit 100 is ASG
this is implausible because price never hit 100 back in 2008?
Waino typically touches 94-95 and was pitching at 94-96
Price typically touches 97, and was pitching at 98-100.
Yeah, that’s fishy.
Not afraid to nitpick
I think it makes sense
when they knew they were only going 1-2 innings. Most starters who go to the pen experience a jump in velocity – they were all relievers last night.
Carry the battle to them. Don't let them bring it to you. Put them on the defensive and don't ever apologize for anything.
Probably they had Price throwing 100
And they realized that if they left the gun where it was, Ubaldo would end up throwing something unrealistic like 103 the next half inning, so they dialed it down.
...and was visibly putting more effort into every pitch he threw than you see when he starts
Not afraid to nitpick
Still, his sliders in the games top out at 86. He threw one at 91 MPH in the ASG, I have to think that's a Pitch f/x error
by vivaelpujols on Jul 14, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Could it be a cutter?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
per himself, it was
he said it’s not a pitch he throws when he’s starting
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
He's gone to more of a cutter this year and is averaging 86
I know I’ve seen him top out at 88 with it.
Not afraid to nitpick
well yeah
the pitching was superb. maybe boring wasn’t the right word, but something about the game made me want to drink a lot. maybe I was nervous the NL would blow it again.
*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 14, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I was nervous when Wainwright was pitching
by jd is legend on Jul 14, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I was nervous when Wainwright was pitching letting it eat.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
haha ichiro
sklar brothers twitter
Love that in the sentimental song, while the players were hugging the community all stars, Ichiro hugged Tim Lincecum. about 17 hours ago via web
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
He probably confused him for a charitable lady.
And the Sklars rule.
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 14, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Always respect your source
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.
I lost tabs on it
embarrassing
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Reeferring to Ichiro and Timmay...
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.
A few more Sklar Twitter gems from last night.
There are more Reds in this game then at a Russian Bath house.
Jonathon Broxton has women’s hips.
Heath Bell’s step to home is shorter than Vern Troyer in a manhole.
Hung Chih Kuo, a great pitcher sounds like a Japanese Tit for Tat. “Oh you’re bringing in Verlander? Well Hung Chih Kuo.”
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 14, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Quality.
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.
they did correct on Kuo
he’s from Taiwan.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
My source says it's actually Hung.
I should also mention that my source is Mindy McReady.
"When I gave up a grand slam to Pete LaCock," Bob Gibson said later, "I knew it was time to quit."
by The Classical on Jul 14, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Reba McIntyre is a better source of Asian baseball player trivia.
Note: Above comment may contain gratuitous amounts of sarcasm.
BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS
Hey Houston,
Suck it; you suck
you're right actually
in taiwan they still use wade romanisation, by which it is kuo hung chih.
if he were chinese, it’d be guo hongzhi.
אנא טוני לא יותר ט.א.ס.ס
it might take too long
given that it’s to do with his beef with the world
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Did you ever notice we joined VEB within 3 days of each other?
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 14, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Looks like somebody's got a stalker.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 14, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Long time, no post.
Hello gents and Rasmus girls. Been a while since I’ve posted on a thread. In the last couple months, I’ve moved out of the very Cardinals-friendly Springfield, Mo., to the rather Cardinals-ambivalent Hot Springs, Ark. There’s a local AM station that sometimes broadcasts Mike and John, but I’ve found it frustratingly inconsistent at times. And unless the local NBC affiliate picks up the KSDK broadcasts or the team is on FOX, the television broadcasts are blacked out. Even this far south.
Anyway, a lot has changed in that time. I was excited at the start of the season with the youth movement gamble (having seen a lot of the players spend time in Springfield), but fast forward a few months and Randy Winn is patrolling the outfield and Suppan is on the mound. The offense seemed like it was just starting to click going into the break, and I hope that the days off won’t extinguish that. It probably will.
As much as I dislike the Yankees and the escalating salaries, I am glad to have lived in the Steinbrenner era, because without him, we probably wouldn’t have Derek Jeter’s Taco Hole, the best sports-related SNL skit that I can remember. All kidding aside, Jeter will always be my favorite Yank to have played in my time.
In moving, I quite my job at the Business Journal in Springfield and am solely freelancing right now. I’ve been working on my portfolio site and added a few photos I thought you all would appreciate.
@aaronjscott
A gift for you.....
toadonalump.com tune in for all the game broadcasts.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Derek Jeter Taco Hole was brilliant.
Excellent pic too.
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 14, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry to know that about the Hot Springs affiliate
You may be able to pick up 105.5 FM (“Thunder Country”) out of Danville or 690 AM out of Benton. The Danville station carries pretty well up and down I-40. I don’t know about over the hills to H.S. They don’t miss many games, mostly just Fridays in the fall when it’s “Danville Little Johns” football time (yes, that’s right fans, I said the Little Johns).
Arkansas used to be a much stronger Cardinals territory. It started going downhill before then, but the change of affiliation of the Travelers to the Angels really hurt things and then when the Naturals (KC system) moved into Springdale it got worse. Now the northwest corner is more KC than StL and there are a lot of Rangers fans in central and southern Arkansas.
by ArkansasTravs on Jul 14, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Love the picture
When was that? I live in Springfield now. Moved here in 2006. I can’t find work in Springfield either. I am an independent contractor. I travel a lot or work remotely. Good luck to you.
"I told myself from the very beginning: 'If he's going to throw a shutout, then he's going to tie,'" Wainwright said. "He was not going to beat me today."
PS
Click on the photo of the Man for the rest of the Sports photos. Should’ve made that more obvious.
BTW, if anyone needs photos/design/illo/whatever for yourself or your business, give me a shout. I’m available for work right now.
@aaronjscott
Shameless self promotion... tsk tsk
What’s your email address?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Hey, you wanna eat, you gotta promote.
<a href=mailto:aaron@aaronjscott.com?subject=Interested in your work">aaron@aaronjscott.com
Thanks!
@aaronjscott
by musialsuspects on Jul 14, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Or not.
aaron@aaronjscott
@aaronjscott
by musialsuspects on Jul 14, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
How can I trust you as a photographer if you can't even get HTML tags right?!
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Hey ...
cameras have been around a lot longer than the internets.
@aaronjscott
by musialsuspects on Jul 14, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Try this again.
<a href=mailto:aaron@aaronjscott.com?subject=Interested in your work">aaron@aaronjscott.com
@aaronjscott
close it up with an < /a >, minus the spaces.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
you should all be glad "blink" doesn't work anymore...
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Malcolm Gladwell is obsolete already?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Actually, BCB should be glad...
/notadvocatingsuchthings.
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.
they probably use it
they do some weird things with html over there
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
hello all
long time, no VEB for me. Just dropped in to check out what was going on around here. One of these days the wife and I will get settled into our new place and get the internet fired back up and maybe I’ll be able to check in more often. For now, hang in there and enjoy this crazy TLR roster until we get some magic healing beans to our walking wounded.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
actually i'm just
trolling for auto mechanic advice
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Tis ok...was hoping to see you at VEB day
to check out my ankle…
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
would have been there too
but some a-hole bought my tickets
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Not gonna ask how you know that.
Or should I say “rocKStark, is that you?”?
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 14, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Callback to Hardees' A-hole, B-hole commercial.
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 14, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah.
I’d say I’m more of a B-hole kind of guy.
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 14, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
i swear to gob i never though i would ever use any of my dragonball knowledge in polite society. or. any society.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 14, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You could've gone Jack and the Beanstalk there.
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 14, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
those aren't magic healing beans, though.
senzu beans…. are.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
you're all very lucky.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Your number of comments is OVAH 45000!!!
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
That's almost
King of the Internets Territory there. Next time my wife says i spend too much time doing something, I’ll tell her that there’s some guy on the internet that’s posted almost 50K times to one site, and he’s only working on a modem from his mom’s basement, so leave me alone woman.
First you go to sleep without… and now this.
I'm the Albert Belle of Golf...
I just type fast.
sbn thinks I’m a spambot.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Mel Gibson.
Making men everywhere seem like better boyfriends/husbands/fathers by each passing audio clip.
The south park portrayals of him
make more and more sense every day.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
My personal favorite tidbits are...
I should have woken you up and said, ‘F—-ing blow me b——!’ I should have f—-ing woken you up and said ‘Blow me!’ You would have liked that better, yeah?
Waited and waited, what, two and a half f—-ing minutes? You’re f—-ing snoring. Don’t you dare. You went to sleep and didn’t blow me.
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 14, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
good old mel
there are so many reasons to hate him that his bigotry towards my people seems almost beside the point.
אנא טוני לא יותר ט.א.ס.ס
On Letterman's top ten the other night,
of Mel Gibson’s top ten excuses was (I forget which number it was):
"Wanted to show the Jews he is a equal opportunity {bigot} "
(I can’t remember the last word, not bigot, but, basically, the sense of the comment is the same)
by ArkansasTravs on Jul 14, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
i think i recognize the phrase "equal opportunity bigot" from somewhere
anyone know?
אנא טוני לא יותר ט.א.ס.ס
"You went to sleep and didn't blow me"
Been there before, Mel. Been there before.
by jd is legend on Jul 14, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
He seems unhealthily
obsessed with oral sex. Odd.
Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!
by the red baron on Jul 15, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Is it OK to post cats before midnight if it isn't a gameday?
Y2S, ruling?
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 14, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
[face busy exploding]
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
WWWOOOOWWWW
VivaElBirdos: Celebrating glorious mustaches since 2009
by redbirdnation8206 on Jul 14, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Has there ever been a movie star
who ruined his career this badly and it had nothing to do with drugs?
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
there's always murder.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
O.J.?
Pete Rose?
ok, Rose wasn’t a movie star. But still….it’s hard to come up with comparisons. Dennis Miller? Stephen Baldwin?
football
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I think that was more like jumping the shark
than ruining one’s reputation. He just proved he should never try something like that again, rather than let the world know he’s a jerk like Gibson or a murderer like O.J.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
I don't think Dennis Miller is really that apt
because he has a new HBO special out in the last year or two and he’s getting bank for 3 hours a day on the radio. His non-political stuff where he brings on Carvey, Nealon or Norm Mcdonald are still hilarious and I have those on my ipod if I need a good laugh
I'm the Albert Belle of Golf...
Yeah, I always kind of liked Dennis Miller
I have a couple of his rant books actually. They are hilarious and hilariously dated (mostly Clinton-era stuff, I’m way too young to remember a lot of it).
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Pacino?
Did you see 88 minutes? God if that piece of crap didn’t ruin his career, I don’t know what will. But maybe that did have something to do with drugs.
Does Mel Gibson fit into that category?
I was under the impression he was a raging alcoholic with at least one DUI incident.
Could Colby Rasmus hit a ball so hard that even he couldn't catch it?
by Cardinals645 on Jul 14, 2010 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions
You!
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
out of that photo collection... Brian Wilson scares the eff out of me
it would actually be a good thing if he were in some kind of grunge rock
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
errrrr not grunge
punk
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I thought he was in a pop band that did surfy beach songs?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
well
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Anyone with an open mouth in a picture
is begging to be PhotoShop’d.
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 14, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
You can't rightly rep a punk outfit...
when you’re sporting a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles shirt during the All-Star Parade.
"When I gave up a grand slam to Pete LaCock," Bob Gibson said later, "I knew it was time to quit."
by The Classical on Jul 14, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
what genre am I thinking of then
I cannot think of the word
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
"Post-Grunge"?
He’d fit in nicely with Arroyo’s charade.
"When I gave up a grand slam to Pete LaCock," Bob Gibson said later, "I knew it was time to quit."
by The Classical on Jul 14, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
you might have something there.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I hope plans are already underway for his retirement party...
Although his pre-game speech was quite comical, per player comments.
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 14, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
moar
sorry, I gotta spam, I’m not feeling up to multiple edits
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Yadi
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Fredbird
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
the Pujols clan
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
What is Moby doing in the parade?
"When I gave up a grand slam to Pete LaCock," Bob Gibson said later, "I knew it was time to quit."
by The Classical on Jul 14, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe they will offer him a job
"I told myself from the very beginning: 'If he's going to throw a shutout, then he's going to tie,'" Wainwright said. "He was not going to beat me today."
(for chidren, spfld, for children)
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
So i sent a twitter question to Mo
and i got a pretty vague answer i guess it’s what i should’ve expected:
my question:RT@cards5728 Whats the state of the negotiations with Austin Wilson, Zack Cox and other un-signed draftees? Great question (more)
answer:We have begun negotiations w/ most of the 2010 draft class as we work toward that 8/16 deadline #cardsgm
by CentralILcardsfan on Jul 14, 2010 3:08 PM EDT reply actions
#cardsgasm?
merit badge for fighting the good fight for all internet people without real names.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
yeah, that was unfortunate
For the next one my question will just be AUSTIN WILSON AUSTIN WILSON AUSTIN WILSON AUSTIN WILSON AUSTIN WILSON #cardsgm #austinwilson
so is this "are you being condescending, mang?"
http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/102872955/Getty-Images-Sport
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Something tells me Ichiro is "behind" this...
Alex Rodriguez looks back to see if someone has just touched his ass…
"When I gave up a grand slam to Pete LaCock," Bob Gibson said later, "I knew it was time to quit."
by The Classical on Jul 14, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
And we thought Adam Dunn hates America...
The National Anthem is playing and A-Rod is checking out ladies in the stands.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Not really where I was going with that but...
that’s deserving of a rec.
"When I gave up a grand slam to Pete LaCock," Bob Gibson said later, "I knew it was time to quit."
by The Classical on Jul 14, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Is it just me, or does Greinke saying "I try to keep my FIP low" not really mean anything to you?
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/looking-at-greinkes-fastball/#comments
How does that make him a “smart” pitcher? Every pitcher knows that homeruns = bad, strikeouts = good, walks = bad.
I would think most all pitchers intuitively know this
you throw great pitches all the time that result in bloop hits or perfectly-placed grounders through the hole.
And pitchers most especially know that if you have a crappy defense, you better strike every one out, cause if they hit it, they won’t be out.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 14, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
But Greinke never said that
Bannister said that. Greinke just said he likes FIP, which he should, because it rewards good things and punished bad things. I haven’t seen any reason to believe that Greinke actually buys into the idea of DIPS or that he particularity cares about it (guys with his talent don’t have to be strategic like Bannister, they just have to let if fly).
by vivaelpujols on Jul 14, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I have to say
I’m hoping that we can pull off a trade for Brian Bannister. Maybe he can change the attitude toward gritty grit veterans.
babip giveth... and babip taketh away
Well, if he had said, "I try to keep my ERA low,"
wouldn’t you just shrug your shoulders, chalk it up to ballplayers not knowing anything about stats, and go about your business?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
No, I would think "duh"
Just like I think saying I try to keep my FIP low is “duh”. I personally don’t think Greinke care’s about the stats – he was just humor Bannister, but of course I could be wrong.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 14, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I heard he's covering a Huey Lewis song and calling it "FIP To Be Square".
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 14, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
here, there, and everywhere.
Note: Above comment may contain gratuitous amounts of sarcasm.
BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS
Hey Houston,
Suck it; you suck
has anyone heard any timetable on Ludwicks return? or does anyone have any updates on him?
I heard freese is not gonna be back until the end of the month now (which with the way the cards have been predicting returns probably means mid-august)….I just hope we can get luddy back soon. I know TLR said not right after the break, but what does that mean? Just not this series? Vs. Philly? Or like next month?
by mick311 on Jul 14, 2010 4:38 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
recently tweeted from bjrains—
“Freese and Ludwick both on the field taking batting practice but La Russa said neither will be activated tomorrow.”
That’s the most I’ve heard about either one.
They didn't want to get everyone's hopes up after the Penny/Lohse debacle.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 14, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
let me just say
they’re on the field for optional practice on their day off.
I don’t care what the world says, I love this team.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I'm ashamed to say
I just read Straussie’s chat:
Chuck: Hi Joe!
Is Ryan Ludwick ready to come off the DL and play on Thusday?
Joe Strauss: I’m hearing more likely by Saturday. But I should have better information within two hours.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
take one unicorn
and save a franklin for two hours later
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
hell thats good news though
When tony said luddy wouldn’t be back right after the break I figured that meant he needed another week or two. If he comes back b4 the philly series that’s cool with me, but with the way Jay is playing does anyone else think that getting back a healthy Freese would help the team more than getting back a healthy ludwick just based on the players that would be replacing them when they are out?
by mick311 on Jul 14, 2010 6:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
in this case I'd be okay with Ludwick sitting out so he's fully available later in the year.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
RFL!!!
I agree. I want him healthy, but this team sure could use him.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I wish he'd pass on How to Play the Outfield.
write a book or something. [thinks of outfielders] Okay, an instructional video.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Anybody can play second.
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.
by TBender on Jul 14, 2010 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
pics or it didn't happen....
Freese: http://yfrog.com/joj9dsj
andrewdmoses Ludwick felt great in BP, running 100% is the last step. about 2 hours ago via Twitter for iPhone
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Sooooo, the MooCow has Invaded Second Life....
…is there a VEB presence there? There should be!
:=8)
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
Does anyone else think the Braves just got robbed?
The fan’s seemed to really turned on Escobar. He is the only SS I would of liked to see the Cardinals to realistically made a move for.
total buy high / sell low for the braves
although apparently they were done with Escobar in the clubhouse…
אנא טוני לא יותר ט.א.ס.ס
i kinda like drew
but yeah, bad deal for the braves, unless escobar is a z-esque clubhouse presence, which i doubt
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
see below
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
okay
let me sort through the 200 comments below mine and hope i can figure out what you’re talking about
wait, what are you talking about?
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
...
http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2010/7/14/1569038/our-long-national-get-it-nightmare#42083844
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
who was the player that said that?
and was he talking about yuni?
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
unnamed and all that.
it’s Buster after all….
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
yunel, yes.
betancourt is a whole other kettle…
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
i was shocked seeing Escobar
then read further and saw JO JO, but read they got prospects too from TO? anyone know anythign about it?
This guys so good(Pujols) He should be illegal-Pirates announcers
A tiny Tim of a LOOGY and a comparable Ryan Jackson of a prospect
The LOOGY would be nice but nothing special
by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 14, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
two prospects + a-gon
one of them is a loogy with an absurd k/9, the other one i know nothing about
אנא טוני לא יותר ט.א.ס.ס
they got a future-utility-infielder guy
and the ur-goofy-relief-prospect: a 5’7" lefty with a low-90s fastball who’s currently striking out 15 batters per nine innings in 35 games of AA.
chances Lohse comes back before Penny?
by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 14, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
No idea.
These bullpen sessions tend to happen and then go badly, thus leading to the pitcher being “shut down” indefinitely.
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 14, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
lohse is on the 60-day DL until July 23
but there’s a much better chance than I thought there would be
i wonder if we would've been better off losing that GS game, but not Penny
Would he have been worth one win above ottavino/walters/soup/hawk (whichever ones have replaced his starts)? My instinct is to say yes, but it is interesting…
אנא טוני לא יותר ט.א.ס.ס
Sure, but he pulled it in the game before
the GS game, so there’s that.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
what if he'd reported his tightness in Cinci?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
yea if i remember correctly he got bombed the 2 starts before the injury
…But yea I think the GS made it worse, I wish he would have spoken up about it before that, he might be back by now. By this point ill really be happy if he makes it back at any point in august
by mick311 on Jul 14, 2010 6:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Little known benefit of working for the Mariners:
I get free food. All the fucking time. I haven’t gone more than 3 days here without receiving one of the following: cake. pie. cookies. Krispy Kreme. leftovers. sandwiches.
Today, it was somebody’s birthday, and they took us out to a Brazilian BBQ place and I think I just ate my weight in meat. And we have ice cream to come in 25 minutes
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
I cannot stress enough.....
everyone needs to go to a Brazilian Barbecue joint. When I was in SLC for the CBB great 8, myself and 2 friends ate approximately 50 pounds of food for $13 EACH. And it was delicious.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
there's one in STL
Chesterfield, right?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
i know their is one
Because I read about it today. Zero clue where or name of the place though
by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 14, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Chesterfield's out on the west side, correct?
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 14, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions
the bacana place is right next to chesterfield mall
Like I said its good but rly expensive just to eat. Not quite as bad as Mike Shannons though where u drop $50 on a steak and u literally just get a plate with a piece of steak on it and nothing else.
by mick311 on Jul 14, 2010 6:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
yea Bacana...but it sure as hell isnt $13
Its more like 40-50$ and its good as hell but not worth all that money. Stoney River is right around the corner, best fucking steaks ever
by mick311 on Jul 14, 2010 6:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The one I wen to
was called Tucano’s. Lunch special, $12.95, something like 18 different meats and an awesome salad/side/appetizer bar. Our drinks cost us substantially more than our food, so they made out alright in the end.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
somewhere, CJ Beatty started smiling.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
There's a brazilian steakhouse in Indianapolis.
called Fogo de Chao, and it was quite possibly the best food I have ever food. But it was expensive as hell, think I paid $50 for just myself.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
ive been to one of those in phoenix.
unbelievably delicious. but the trick is to not fill up on the crap they come out with first (turkey, roast beef), and save your appetite for the sirloin and tri tip.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
Closest onces to STL are in KC and Chicago
and there isn’t a set order, they are constantly circling the restaurant with everything. The Bacon wrapped Chicken and the Parmesian Pork are soooooo good. Damnit, why does it have to be another 7 months before my next birthday trip to Fogo?
Damn...I haven't gone to Fogo in a couple of years....you guys just convinced me to go this weekend.
(IHeartBoog – you’ll appreciate this.) I’ll grab a summer associate so the firm pays for it.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 14, 2010 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm a law student in the Indianapolis area.
Someone come hire me for the rest of the summer then take me to Fogo de Chao.
by Mulliganstew on Jul 14, 2010 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't envy trying to get a summer associate position in this economy...
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 14, 2010 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm cool. I work at the local PD Office
I just want a free meal.
by Mulliganstew on Jul 14, 2010 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions
sounds like a good experience....
Never trust the Man. Seriously.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 14, 2010 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
save that pie and store it in a safe location. we may need it someday.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
What our my chances of survival this weekend?
Going camping and fishing at Mermac Springs. Consumption of alcohol increases 10 fold to battle unbearable heat
who cares what the chances of survival are
you’ve had a good run, right?
I am pleasantly pleased, thankyouverymuch
Meramec Springs is my childhood.
6-year-old me fed enough fish there to feed all of ancient Mesopotamia.
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
I'm a tad disturbed by the change in marketing strategy of the Caves
I guess nobody cares about Jesse James, so they need a caveman now.
Corey Hart has no comment.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
They've changed Meramec Caverns?
That sucks.
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.
nah
just the marketing. they added a rope thing across the river, which does sound cool.
though the barns are probably becoming fewer and far between…
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Just checked the website out.
Looks like the same as before, except with the zipline. And they are cool, I’ve been informed.
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.
It's a 90 minute zipline tour.
We went there the day after our wedding and didn’t know anything about the zipline and got there right as they were closing. Needless to say, I was bummed.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 14, 2010 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I grew up in SE MO
and we had a Meramec Caverns ad on our barn for the first 10 years or so of my life. My mom said they paid us something like $12/year for the use of the roof. Certainly made it easy to find our house.
"He ran hard, but he didn't run fast. He runs like he's mad at the ground." - opposing broadcaster describing Yadi's speed.
is this with ... your dad? in-law? who wanted you to help that one weekend?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
not sure what this is referencing to but
Yes I am going with my Dad. A bunch of old dudes 50 and 60 years old than me (28). I am probably the responsible drinker of the group also.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 14, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions
someone overshared on VEB one day and it stuck in my head
which is exploding right now
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I do tend to over share
But I also have a very poor memory
by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 14, 2010 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions
it was something about a weekend project and Whoever was wiped and posted about it
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
consumption of alcohol makes heat more unbearable
in my experiences, at least
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
i hope to blackout
just to fall asleep
by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 14, 2010 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, I wouldn't see the appeal in going camping in Texas either,
but I’d say there is a bit more to enjoy in the outdoors where I’m from.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
spending time outdoors is cool
sleeping out there, though? i’ll pass
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
When the weather isn't so freaking hot
by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 14, 2010 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions
It also heavily increases the chances of a heart attack
I strongly suspect my Father died because of that. 6 beer lunches and St. Louis Summer heat.
i am a pretty big guy
But actually have low blood pressure and cholesterol. I just don’t have much stress in my life. Things rarely get me upset anymore
by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 14, 2010 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Aaron Miles. Nick Stavinoha. Jeff. Fucking. Suppan.
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
What aboot squeaky belts?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
by RiverRat on Jul 14, 2010 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
very interesting, OhOhhhhJoey
That’s either old-school or douchey.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
oh wait, wait. David Brown
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
has Davi Brown
caused trouble for you guys before? I know he has it in for Votto because Votto didn’t give a very funy interview to Brown. Brown didn’t write good questions and blames it on him.
we just have to regulate our grains of salt.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
That's kind of lame
I kind of like Byrd. Poor bastard is just stuck on the wrong team.
by Mulliganstew on Jul 14, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, he seems cool
we can just call him the ex-Texan.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
that little spin move he used was pretty fuckin sweet, I don't care who you are
honestly might end up being the highlight of the Cubs’ season, really.
douchey.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 14, 2010 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions
He's a grown man who goes by the name "Joey"
You can’t expect much.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 14, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
What else would he go by?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
I'm just saying
that “Joey” doesn’t sound any worse, I didn’t realize it was an argument about nick names, I stand down because clearly, Colby is not a nickname
what?
colby is a legit name.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 14, 2010 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions
wait, his name is COLBY!?
I thought it was…. never mind.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
it's acutally colbseph
little known fact
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Jul 14, 2010 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Colcepheus
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.
next thing you'll tell me he's not really named Rasmussenson
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I would assume Votto's given name is Joseph?
Colby’s is Colby.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
anytime you’re reminded of Joey Lawrence, it isn’t a good thing
I am pleasantly pleased, thankyouverymuch
Did you see his fielding?
I think we’re use to that.
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.
i can't believe that, either. he was doing SO WELL.
he must rely on the dugout positioning a whole lot. or he chokes in big games… in L.A….. when Scott Boras watches.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
the speed with which you came up with that and actually knew that was notable.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
we got Pete Rose in his underwear yesterday.
I think ’e’s still here….
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Did you know that Colby looks like
a young Sly Stallone?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
not picturing it... not picturing it....
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
And Andrew Lawrence
/yesIfeelshame
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.
Someone hasn't been watching their reruns of Brotherly Love.
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.
exactly!
Andy Lawrence too, they made a few mvoies for the Disney channel, one called “Brothers of the Frontier” and it was TERRIBLE
THIS GUY!!!!
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 14, 2010 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions
wow,
what a douche
byrd isn’t exactly a seasoned cub, either
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
Remember
Bob Gibson was never friendly with teammates on ASG’s so unless you’re willing to call him a douche, you better check yourself.
Also while researching Gibson on wikipedia, I got a link to pitchers who have struck out the side on 9 pitches, because he was one of them and I got possibly the greatest collection of names in one inning from it:
Here and go down to the only instance where it happened in extra innings.
I feel I should use an old timey radio announcer voice:
The year was 1923, and the white sox of chicago were facing the hated athletics of philly. A one Sloppy Thurston struck out the side on 9 pitches against Beauty McGowan, Chick Galloway, and Sammy Hale.
My first thought was, wow what great names, my second thought was, how did I not know about this guy and use this as a nickname for Joe Thurston.
I'm the Albert Belle of Golf...
game has changed a lot since gibson's time
and stuff like that is probably for the better
but go ahead and consider myself checked, pre-wrecked
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
I know it's lame but
I can’t help the check thing because me and a co-worker have been going around after a meeting where they kept telling us to make sure we check, rechecked and triple-checked our work, and saying that we all have to chiggidy-check yourselves before you wreck yourselves, because as we all know, shotgun bullets iz bad fo yo health.
I'm the Albert Belle of Golf...
NO
I have a cushy office job, but we are filing stats and financials for a bond series so accuracy is important.
I'm the Albert Belle of Golf...
LEGIT
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 14, 2010 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I knew there had to be a reason for my irrational dislike.
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.
I am going to place myself in the minority here
and say that this endeared me to Votto. I love that sort of old-school mentality toward rivals and doubly so toward Cubs. Baseball players and athletes in general are so diplomatic, I find it to be a refreshing change of pace.
babip giveth... and babip taketh away
by purple_haze on Jul 14, 2010 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
fuck you
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Jul 14, 2010 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
just a change of pace, lol
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Jul 14, 2010 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
you've got yourself a rivalry, prophetjohn
babip giveth... and babip taketh away
by purple_haze on Jul 14, 2010 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
i see that you made a nice play there, purple_haze
i am not impressed
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Jul 14, 2010 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
best be careful
I wont hesitate to bean you with this next post.
babip giveth... and babip taketh away
by purple_haze on Jul 15, 2010 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
i'm totally charging the monitor
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Jul 15, 2010 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I have to disagree
The options are either old-school or a$$hole. Snubbing a guy whose on a rival team doesn’t seem douchey. If he’d insulted his fashion sense, then you could call him douchey, or if he was the psychic John Edwards apparently, then you’d be cool.
I'm the Albert Belle of Golf...
yes, my thesaurus is broken today
I earlier gave up on figuring out “inferiority”
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
YESSS!!!!
no more jay randolph next year.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 14, 2010 6:11 PM EDT reply actions
I've always wondered why so many hate Randolph
I rarely watch the games he’s done, but he doesn’t seem as bad as people suggest.
i'm going to be honest here
if you watch more games that he does, you would understand. it’s absolutely brutal.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 14, 2010 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the only games that Randolph sees are the one where he tries to broadcast.
He doesn’t know anyone’s name. He only has information about the Cardinals that he get’s in the pre-game meeting. I’m sure he’s a nice man but not good at this job at all.
"I told myself from the very beginning: 'If he's going to throw a shutout, then he's going to tie,'" Wainwright said. "He was not going to beat me today."
he;s absolutely awful
he’s terrible at calling the game and he’s constantly making factual errors
quote from the last game “that is [player]’s second hit, he is now 1 for 3”
etc
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
people don't like Al and Horton (who I actually do like) because of their personalities
but Jay Randolph is actually incompetent. It’s like, you might dislike Milton Bradley as your team’s starting DH because he’s a jerk, but you’d dislike Aaron Miles as your starting DH because he can’t do his job.
by DanUpBaby on Jul 14, 2010 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
This
You get the feeling that Al and Horton at least have a clue, but Randolph might as well be talking about tennis.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Jul 14, 2010 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions
you're afraid he's dying during every home run, too....
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Jay
I remember one game he described a Ludwick HR as “Long and…. (pause) ….. Magnificent!” Magnificent? Does anyone actually say that? I’m usually one to applaud creative vocabulary, but I think that’s pushing it.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Jul 14, 2010 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Colby's walkoff IN Cincy?
You may want to reconsider.
Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!
by the red baron on Jul 15, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
The three innings that Jay and Shannon are together in the booth...
…are the longest three innings of the baseball week. Shannon is kind of all over the place in the booth anyway, and then you put Randolph in there and it turns into a three inning conversation about… well… anything other than what is actually happening in the game. I just mute it whenever Shannon’s in there. The other six innings of Jay ’N Rick are only marginally better, like a test score of 54% instead of 49%. You failed with flying colors either way.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Jul 14, 2010 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I've noticed Shannon wandering off more frequently this year.
I’ve given up the radio and gone back to the TV.
"I told myself from the very beginning: 'If he's going to throw a shutout, then he's going to tie,'" Wainwright said. "He was not going to beat me today."
"we tried very hard"
so why does the production suck so much?
it’s too bad they can’t try with another station that sucks less.
and yet: Rick Horton persists.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
i can deal with horton just like i can deal with hrabosky
the play by play games he does are awful but i can deal with him in small doses as the color guy.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 14, 2010 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I am enjoying how Dan is tweaking him about his bitter ice cubes in his tall glass of bitterness
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Dan has at least twice gotten on him for sharing his bitter stories of the past
on air he was like, you’ve got to write a book on all your bitter moments!
Dan is actually getting bearable as he gets snarkier.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
the BEST part of that
Rick said he wasn’t bitter
Dan’s like but you remembered that (from 7th grade)
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Do you think...
…that Dan has just had it with his incompetent co-announcers? What if he just stormed out mid-inning, cursing and throwing things? Or announced on public access TV (b/c ESPN wouldn’t give a shit) that he was taking his talents to South Beach?
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by redbirdnation8206 on Jul 14, 2010 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions
we're hoping for defenestration.
but really, I think he enjoys tweaking. it’s the highlight of his night.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
i still think dan is a damn good announcer
when he doesn’t have to put up with those two. when he does other sports, or even college baseball, he is really quite nice in the booth. i just wish they would pair him up with eldred
I am pleasantly pleased, thankyouverymuch
I have no problem w/ Dan
He’s pretty business-like IMO and would prefer to just call the game and do a good job. Al is ________ (insert adjective of choice) and Horton’s just lousy. I think Dan would be 1/2 of a fine broadcasting team if he weren’t with one of those two on a nightly basis. I don’t know how he can sit next to Al without his skin curling up and melting.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Jul 14, 2010 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I wonder if Vince is still available?
Y2S, Get Fredbird and the van to kidnap Al and Rick and we’ll insert Vince. Maybe no one will care enough to actually notice.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 14, 2010 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Vince! Vince!!
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I hope they at least bring him back in the booth again this year
that was some entertaining baseball when he was in last year
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Jul 14, 2010 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
wow. Buster on Yunel
he wished someone a happy birthday
the player said “here’s the present I’d like — play hard today”
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Berman just did his balls cut off scream
at the DeJesus catch.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I'm watching Beadle's dress now
feeling vaguely guilty
whoaaaaa Hannah Storm looks emaciated.
Erin Andrews says she’s grabbing anybody and everybody.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
aw shit it's a montage.
my weakness!
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
they keep talking about sweat and sweating
now I feel really guilty…..
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Is this the ESPY's?
I wish you luck. Don’t give up, don’t ever give up.
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.
Berman did in fact call him Winnie the Pujols
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
what is the point of an awards show if you know ALL the winners?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
this is a great ad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2zQf6bxsZo
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
feel better RB
i stumbled onto something earlier today that said joey votto hated the cubs and refused to shake hands with them after the victory. and i thought WE hated the cubs…
already had a discussion about that up there ^^
clif notes: it was a douchey move. also, joey votto has a child-like first name.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 14, 2010 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions
we need some Concrete Blonde
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdpTcvSn8HQ
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
oh that's legit.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 14, 2010 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I switched channels
wow, I didn’t know Bender swung that way.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
um...duh?
http://thecardinalnationblog.com/2010/07/14/the-cardinals-ace-a-changing-of-the-guard/
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 14, 2010 9:08 PM EDT reply actions
do people not proofread?
Carp was not injured while Adam was the closer for the World Champions.
I am pleasantly pleased, thankyouverymuch
WHOA!
look who commented on that post!
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 14, 2010 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions
all those ellipses
they go for miles and miles
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
......................................................what..........................................................ever...............................................
do……………………………………………………………….you…………………………………………………………..mean…………….?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
classic
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 14, 2010 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Deanna Favre just has this look on her face like "Enablers. You're all )@#*$ enablers."
otherwise, every time I tune in and see two people on stage, I immediately think “Awk-ward.”
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
ALL YOUR ASG'S WINS & WOMEN BELONG TO ME!!!!
You sure bro? all the ladies love Da Yadda
Ya bro, especially those
I don’t fucking think so Adam, those women belong to me
Ya dude, don’t Bogart the ladies, you know they can’t resist the Sex Panther!
who the fuck invited you?
(puff puff cough cough) I did bro’s. don’t worry, he’s alllllll riiiiight
Hold it right there! neither one of you belong here! get out!
Hold it right there sonny boy! Sex Panther stays
Yes sir! sorry sir! please don’t hit me anymore! pleaseeeee!
YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Tree! We gong to wing tree worlg series in a row mang!
awwww, i should have won three world series in a row
But you won’t, and you know why? You have lady parts bitch
ya kid, you really need a set of these
you know who had a nice set?
oh Hollywood, you so crazy!
i used to have a nice set,
f’ing lights
i told you to wear your shades 
you gotta wear the shades
i always wear my shades Mr.Carpenter & Mr La Russa! 
who let him out of his dog house!?!?
HOP ON BOOG! I’LL SAVE YOU!
heythatlookslikefuniwishhe’dgivemearideorihadoneofthosedangnabbit 
those kids are weird uh Skip?
i’m sorry what? i couldn’t here you, i’m too busy working on my sexy
heh heh, you know who never has to work on his sexy? Ole Abner
who?
Yo bitch, i think you forgot these
he’s about to knock you the fuck out!
FOLLOW ME! FOLLOW ME TO FREEDOM!
run! run! while you still can!
go crazy son
WOO HOO! GO CRAZY! GO CRAZY!
SlamALamma! Ding Dong!
AIN’T NO ONE CRAZIER THAN ME!!!!
i’ll drink to that!
WILD TURKEY SHOOTERS FOR EVERYONE!
WTF is going on here? can you believe this crap?
I’M A WIZARD!
throw moar sinkers! hit more dingers!
we gonna win sooo many games & bang sooo many women
let’s go work ong yourg hitting son, you’re to young to hearg this
we’re gonna have to sell a lot of $10 dollar beers to sign them both MO. better raise the price to $20. lord knows those morans in the stands will pay it. they’ll pay anything we tell them if we say it’s for Albert.
wawhat?
have some more Kool Aid! only $50 bucks a glass!
they really will Bill! they’ll believe anything!
don’t worry ladies, i’ll never lead you astray
neither will i ladies, neither will i
Out of suffering have emerged the strongest souls; the most massive characters are seared with scars
by gdm426 on Jul 14, 2010 11:55 PM EDT reply actions 21 recs
what.
the fuck.
babip giveth... and babip taketh away
by purple_haze on Jul 14, 2010 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions
interesting
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Jul 15, 2010 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions
we missed you around here ya goofy bastard
Time is the best teacher; Unfortunately it kills all its students
Well done gdm.
Where the fuck you been anyway
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 15, 2010 2:35 AM EDT up reply actions
not enough Skip or Jaime.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
F'in gdm
Well done sir.
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.
you ain't right in the head
I am pleasantly pleased, thankyouverymuch
by mattyfrommo on Jul 15, 2010 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
well.... how much hate does it take for that to completely dwarf reasonable anyalsis?
apparantly, yunel escobar is so UNLIKED at talking chop, they are trying to convince people (well like 2 or 3) that Alex Gonzalez will be better going forward than Alex Gonzalez… and that this is a WIN NOW move (kinda weird that they would make SS position worse)
Rasmus can hit lefties
cardinalred
St. Louis Sports blog
whoops
Alex Gonzalez will be better going forward than Alex Gonzalez
better than Yunel not Alex Gonzalez obviously
Rasmus can hit lefties
cardinalred
St. Louis Sports blog
by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 15, 2010 1:54 AM EDT up reply actions
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