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Futures Game Thread: World at USA, or maybe USA at World

Eduardo Sanchez! Shelby Miller! Other teams' faberge eggs!

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 11, 2010 5:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Ok...

(I’m hungry.)

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.

by TBender on Jul 11, 2010 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

on espn 2.

You fit into me
like a hook into an eye

a fish hook
an open eye

by Red Blazer on Jul 11, 2010 6:00 PM EDT reply actions  

ah crap no cable

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 11, 2010 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

GD also

You fit into me
like a hook into an eye

a fish hook
an open eye

by Red Blazer on Jul 11, 2010 6:00 PM EDT reply actions  

it is on espn3 btw

http://www.espn3.com

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 11, 2010 6:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Lolonso

babip giveth... and babip taketh away

by purple_haze on Jul 11, 2010 6:15 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

No Allen Craig?

"There are three things in my life which I really love: God, my family, and baseball. The only problem - once baseball season starts, I change the order around a bit." ~Al Gallagher, 1971

go cards.

by thecoolalonzo on Jul 11, 2010 6:34 PM EDT reply actions  

He gets no respect

babip giveth... and babip taketh away

by purple_haze on Jul 11, 2010 6:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

That so?

אנא טוני לא יותר ט.א.ס.ס

by chalk on Jul 11, 2010 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Completely

babip giveth... and babip taketh away

by purple_haze on Jul 11, 2010 6:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Completely

babip giveth... and babip taketh away

by purple_haze on Jul 11, 2010 7:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

He gets no respect

babip giveth... and babip taketh away

by purple_haze on Jul 11, 2010 6:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Really?

אנא טוני לא יותר ט.א.ס.ס

by chalk on Jul 11, 2010 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nope

babip giveth... and babip taketh away

by purple_haze on Jul 11, 2010 7:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Nope

babip giveth... and babip taketh away

by purple_haze on Jul 11, 2010 7:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

did the managers say when they might use their pitchers?

"I throw him four wide ones then try to pick him off first base." - Preacher Roe on Stan Musial

by Shi on Jul 11, 2010 6:36 PM EDT reply actions  

as in,

miller earlier, sanchez later?

"I throw him four wide ones then try to pick him off first base." - Preacher Roe on Stan Musial

by Shi on Jul 11, 2010 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why is Moustakas not in the majors yet?

אנא טוני לא יותר ט.א.ס.ס

by chalk on Jul 11, 2010 6:57 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't blame em

No point in starting his service clock. The real question is why is he not in AAA yet.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jul 11, 2010 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh yeah, somehow I thought he was playing for a semi-contending team...

I suppose the Royals are right to keep him in the minors another year, but not having him at the highest level is bizarre unless they’re trying to fix something (which I doubt)

אנא טוני לא יותר ט.א.ס.ס

by chalk on Jul 11, 2010 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

AAA isn't necessarily the highest level for where he's at

Usually that’s where the AAAA guys with shitty stuff reside, he’ll probably see better “stuff” in AA. But he’s obviously proven that he can handle it so yeah….don’t ask me.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jul 11, 2010 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

historically that's been true, at least the last decades

about AAA vs.AA as per the competition level because of the AAAA guys stockpiled in AAA, but that’s been changing the last years – memphis used to look like a clearinghouse for 30-something 4A guys, but not so much anymore, and the cards were on the tail end of this movement.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jul 11, 2010 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Random thought

They are commenting on how much good young pitching is coming through……wouldn’t an obvious answer to that be this is the first real generation where pitch counts have dominated the discussion?

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jul 11, 2010 7:03 PM EDT reply actions  

But Nolan Ryan says pitch counts are stupid!

Also, Al Hrabosky used to throw 250-pitch side sessions and wants you to get the hell off his lawn!

I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons

by hazel on Jul 11, 2010 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Apparenlty Nolan Ryan

thinks that Old Man Strength can be taught… I like the way he thinks.

"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jul 12, 2010 7:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hell yeah on some White Castle

babip giveth... and babip taketh away

by purple_haze on Jul 11, 2010 7:06 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

He's a CFer I believe

And has got Toolz

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jul 11, 2010 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

It appears you are correct

I don’t know why I thought he was a 1B.

by vivaelpujols on Jul 11, 2010 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Perhaps you were thinking of Mike Carp.

I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons

by hazel on Jul 11, 2010 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Holy hell Mike Trout

Wheels.

babip giveth... and babip taketh away

by purple_haze on Jul 11, 2010 7:09 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Or not

babip giveth... and babip taketh away

by purple_haze on Jul 11, 2010 7:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

so what'd I miss?

/abusing VEB sum ups

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 11, 2010 7:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Cookie Rojas didn't make much money in the minors.

I'm out of champagna. How about some 7-Up and Mad Dog 20/20?

by The Continental on Jul 11, 2010 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

and some pretty solid defense up to this inning.

I'm out of champagna. How about some 7-Up and Mad Dog 20/20?

by The Continental on Jul 11, 2010 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

did I miss something about White Castle?

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 11, 2010 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

whoa, Rosario.

throw a little high, but not a bad gun.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 11, 2010 7:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Zach Wheeler?

does he have the Fire ring?

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 11, 2010 7:14 PM EDT reply actions  

why don't people just call it an M?

"He’s in his own world out there. He says he doesn’t cuss. I disagree." - Skip Schumaker on Jason Motte
Austin Wilson, please don't be a tease!

by BVHeck on Jul 12, 2010 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's what I ask

But I guess inverted W stresses the “inverted” part of the windup.

by vivaelpujols on Jul 12, 2010 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

I thought it was because their arms are out at an angle, like a W

rather than straight down, like an M.

I'm out of champagna. How about some 7-Up and Mad Dog 20/20?

by The Continental on Jul 12, 2010 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Redbirds logo FTW!

"He’s in his own world out there. He says he doesn’t cuss. I disagree." - Skip Schumaker on Jason Motte
Austin Wilson, please don't be a tease!

by BVHeck on Jul 12, 2010 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

104?

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 11, 2010 7:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Shelby is just happy to be on the team.

I'm out of champagna. How about some 7-Up and Mad Dog 20/20?

by The Continental on Jul 11, 2010 7:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Peguero has an ugly swing

Long, long trigger and “squish the bug”. Amazing he’s good enough to be in the Future’s game.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jul 11, 2010 7:17 PM EDT reply actions  

"the stat people" getting lipservice

Mention of how Peguero is a TTO type

babip giveth... and babip taketh away

by purple_haze on Jul 11, 2010 7:17 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

True outcome II!

אנא טוני לא יותר ט.א.ס.ס

by chalk on Jul 11, 2010 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not bad for a guy that strikes out a ton and just generally is a masher.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 11, 2010 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

yup

that’s like .330 for him

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 11, 2010 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

.358 BABIP helps

His walk rate is waaaaaay down.

by vivaelpujols on Jul 11, 2010 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

ah

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 11, 2010 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

teams have combined for 3 Ks through 21 outs

not surprising, with that tiny strike zone.

אנא טוני לא יותר ט.א.ס.ס

by chalk on Jul 11, 2010 7:24 PM EDT reply actions  

"man muscles"?

we call it OMS

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 11, 2010 7:24 PM EDT reply actions  

eff, that was Yadi-like.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 11, 2010 7:24 PM EDT reply actions  

it was so close.

got in behind the batter and bam.
leadership!

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 11, 2010 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Was that Alonso at first?

They may not have even met before today.

I'm out of champagna. How about some 7-Up and Mad Dog 20/20?

by The Continental on Jul 11, 2010 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

they don't need that

they just know. it’s like that.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 11, 2010 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

There's a Molina in the minors?

I'm out of champagna. How about some 7-Up and Mad Dog 20/20?

by The Continental on Jul 11, 2010 7:24 PM EDT reply actions  

there are always more.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 11, 2010 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

that catcher's with the Rox?

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 11, 2010 7:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Rosario

yeah I think so

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 11, 2010 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Iannetta's replacement

Time is the best teacher; Unfortunately it kills all its students

by TomCat009 on Jul 11, 2010 7:26 PM EDT reply actions  

his line

in AA

Time is the best teacher; Unfortunately it kills all its students

by TomCat009 on Jul 11, 2010 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Observation:

Is getting the ball back to the pitcher a skill that is only fully developed in the majors?

babip giveth... and babip taketh away

by purple_haze on Jul 11, 2010 7:27 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

ninja'd

Did he ever get past that?

I'm out of champagna. How about some 7-Up and Mad Dog 20/20?

by The Continental on Jul 11, 2010 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

"saltalamacchia yips"

is the 4th suggested search from Google when you put in his name.

Sounds like he thinks so.

I'm out of champagna. How about some 7-Up and Mad Dog 20/20?

by The Continental on Jul 11, 2010 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really dislike Ricciardi for some reason.

Just doesn’t sound like he should be a broadcaster. And apparently after that butchering of a TTO explanation he deserves his “former” GM title.

My xFIP is lower than Jeff Suppan's.

by flipthebird15 on Jul 11, 2010 7:34 PM EDT reply actions  

He just looks and sounds like a weasel.

I'm out of champagna. How about some 7-Up and Mad Dog 20/20?

by The Continental on Jul 11, 2010 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

he tried to sell me this car

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 11, 2010 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

"All these guys aren't getting injured and are throwing 95 mph, what's going on here?"

Dollar says Rick Sutcliffe has lamented a pitcher coming out after 110 pitches some time this year.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jul 11, 2010 7:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Chen... Chen?

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 11, 2010 7:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Chun Chen

He’s the Michael Michaels of Taiwan

My xFIP is lower than Jeff Suppan's.

by flipthebird15 on Jul 11, 2010 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

hometown guy

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 11, 2010 7:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Conger

I kinda like that name

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 11, 2010 7:47 PM EDT reply actions  

sounds like a power hitter

Time is the best teacher; Unfortunately it kills all its students

by TomCat009 on Jul 11, 2010 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

that mcdonalds coffee commercial on espn is really really annoying

mainly because that guy is so lame

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 11, 2010 7:47 PM EDT reply actions  

stros pitcher

wow.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 11, 2010 7:49 PM EDT reply actions  

They still make those?

My xFIP is lower than Jeff Suppan's.

by flipthebird15 on Jul 11, 2010 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

he's even more saccharine when he's drunk

i dislike him more than any announcer ever.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jul 11, 2010 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good news, guys

Matt Capps no longer leads MLB in saves.

אנא טוני לא יותר ט.א.ס.ס

by chalk on Jul 11, 2010 7:56 PM EDT reply actions  

there's a montage on FESPN

for the first half
my weakness….

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 11, 2010 7:58 PM EDT reply actions  

even for a montage

that’s stupid music.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 11, 2010 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes

Thank goodness Hernandez likes to run into walls. Who are all these lazy prospects that don’t like to run into walls? They’ll never amount to anything. My morning routine involves me running into at least 5 walls before 8am.

Silly humans, this world is for robots.

by azruavatar on Jul 11, 2010 8:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Good ol' Gorkys.

אנא טוני לא יותר ט.א.ס.ס

by chalk on Jul 11, 2010 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Blue Jays pitcher who is running in

Goofiest run you’ve ever seen, or goofiest run possible?

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jul 11, 2010 8:01 PM EDT reply actions  

He was one dweeby looking SOB

Silly humans, this world is for robots.

by azruavatar on Jul 11, 2010 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's no Todd Coffey...

"When I gave up a grand slam to Pete LaCock," Bob Gibson said later, "I knew it was time to quit."

by The Classical on Jul 11, 2010 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

w/ a rather unfortunate example...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXLrfj_S0RM&feature=related

"When I gave up a grand slam to Pete LaCock," Bob Gibson said later, "I knew it was time to quit."

by The Classical on Jul 11, 2010 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

USA! USA! USA! USA!

Suck it, World.

I'm out of champagna. How about some 7-Up and Mad Dog 20/20?

by The Continental on Jul 11, 2010 8:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Cubs prospect choke hahaha

Get used to it kid.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jul 11, 2010 8:08 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

On Lee

Just throw the ball. What’s the worst that can happen? Just throw the ball.

Silly humans, this world is for robots.

by azruavatar on Jul 11, 2010 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

maybe... "dumb things said per hour

above replacement level ex-GM?" We’re getting to have a decent sample size now (Ricciardi, Bowden, Phillips…) and if we could just get Byrnes talking in public…

Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers

by SleepyCA on Jul 11, 2010 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not until there's a good acronym for it.

Could Colby Rasmus hit a ball so hard that even he couldn't catch it?

by Cardinals645 on Jul 12, 2010 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Morgans?

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.

by TBender on Jul 12, 2010 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Multiple Oral Retarded Guidless And Nonsensical Shits?

"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"

by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jul 12, 2010 9:14 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

SHELBY

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 11, 2010 8:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Here we go

I'm out of champagna. How about some 7-Up and Mad Dog 20/20?

by The Continental on Jul 11, 2010 8:13 PM EDT reply actions  

shelby time

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 11, 2010 8:13 PM EDT reply actions  

still one game back

אנא טוני לא יותר ט.א.ס.ס

by chalk on Jul 11, 2010 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

3 walkoff losses in a row in extras

and then 1-0 i believe today – that’s gotta hurt.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jul 11, 2010 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

don't remind them

they’re funny that way – don’t like their kindness acknowledged.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jul 11, 2010 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

and sometimes they are kind

just so they can cause greater heartbreak later.

Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers

by SleepyCA on Jul 11, 2010 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

true, they are sadistic

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jul 11, 2010 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

never been hurt by regular season baseball

so badly, I wouldn’t even wish it on the Cubs. Maybe I would wish it on Philadelphia

by Red_Poodle on Jul 11, 2010 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

seems appropriate

"He’s in his own world out there. He says he doesn’t cuss. I disagree." - Skip Schumaker on Jason Motte
Austin Wilson, please don't be a tease!

by BVHeck on Jul 12, 2010 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, well at least people can't keep saying you guys have been lucky

those 4 losses and the braves mega-comeback sort of kill that argument. i keep trying to tell them you’re for real, and gonna get better.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jul 12, 2010 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

I hope your right

I’m more down than some I think, but at least your right about the luck argument. No one is lucky who experiences that series. So many missed opportunities too in the game today. A couple of line drive double plays, that doesn’t happen much.

by Red_Poodle on Jul 12, 2010 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

let thevole cheer you up

i miss his schtick at red reporter – when did he stop the literal/optimism thing that was scaring everyone?

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jul 12, 2010 2:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

I want to see the curve

Silly humans, this world is for robots.

by azruavatar on Jul 11, 2010 8:14 PM EDT reply actions  

soooo pretty

Silly humans, this world is for robots.

by azruavatar on Jul 11, 2010 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

who's the catcher?

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 11, 2010 8:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Austin Romine

אנא טוני לא יותר ט.א.ס.ס

by chalk on Jul 11, 2010 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yankees prospect

אנא טוני לא יותר ט.א.ס.ס

by chalk on Jul 11, 2010 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's some name

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 11, 2010 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

did he push him off the bag?

Time is the best teacher; Unfortunately it kills all its students

by TomCat009 on Jul 11, 2010 8:15 PM EDT reply actions  

momentum

carried him past
fielder tagged between his own legs

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 11, 2010 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Needs more speed

wtf

Silly humans, this world is for robots.

by azruavatar on Jul 11, 2010 8:15 PM EDT reply actions  

nice

Silly humans, this world is for robots.

by azruavatar on Jul 11, 2010 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

wow what a play!

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 11, 2010 8:16 PM EDT reply actions  

well that didn't last long

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 11, 2010 8:17 PM EDT reply actions  

2/3 of an inning. wtf.

Did it seem to anyone else that he needs to increase his stride a bit? Might have been the camera angle, but it seemed like (to my completely unqualified eyeball) he could have been putting a lot more into his delivery than he was.

Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers

by SleepyCA on Jul 11, 2010 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't really think of that but yeah, it seemed like he was just putting his leg straight down

and he could have got more power with his leg. very smooth delivery overall though, looked pretty effortless

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 11, 2010 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

still if he has really hit 98 why change a thing

98 and effortless is better than 101 and unsustainable

Time is the best teacher; Unfortunately it kills all its students

by TomCat009 on Jul 11, 2010 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

not if 98 and six inches closer results in a torn labrum

Time is the best teacher; Unfortunately it kills all its students

by TomCat009 on Jul 11, 2010 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not really sure if there's going to be much correlation there

If anything, getting your lower half moving would reduce that IMO.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jul 11, 2010 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah that is probably true on the whole

but when you have a 19 year old in AA striking out more than 10/9 with an effortless delivery I wouldn’t touch it

Time is the best teacher; Unfortunately it kills all its students

by TomCat009 on Jul 11, 2010 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm thinking more about strain on the shoulder

seems like the longer stride the less “effort” is required to do the same work. but I have no idea.

Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers

by SleepyCA on Jul 11, 2010 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

pretty sure they converted him to short-stride this year

iirc there was some lamenting of this at futureredbirds.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jul 11, 2010 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Aw, too short.

Gotta like what you saw there, though.

I'm out of champagna. How about some 7-Up and Mad Dog 20/20?

by The Continental on Jul 11, 2010 8:17 PM EDT reply actions  

He's 19

Give him time before you expect him to go for more than 5 minutes.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jul 11, 2010 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's...

no, nevermind.

I'm out of champagna. How about some 7-Up and Mad Dog 20/20?

by The Continental on Jul 11, 2010 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

WHAT THE FUCK

That’s not even enough for Pitch f/x. FUCK

by vivaelpujols on Jul 11, 2010 8:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Well

Dave Duncan just got a boner with two balls blasted into the ground.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jul 11, 2010 8:17 PM EDT reply actions  

2/3 is okay don't want to risk pointless injury

Time is the best teacher; Unfortunately it kills all its students

by TomCat009 on Jul 11, 2010 8:17 PM EDT reply actions  

PFP for the rest of his life

so short an appearance.

larger towels provided nonetheless.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 11, 2010 8:17 PM EDT reply actions  

of course

my mom calls when they put in miller. so i saw it, but didn’t really watch it. awesome.

"I throw him four wide ones then try to pick him off first base." - Preacher Roe on Stan Musial

by Shi on Jul 11, 2010 8:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Has chris friedich pitched yet?

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by TomCat009 on Jul 11, 2010 8:18 PM EDT reply actions  

If they want to work everyone in

I’d say pretty good. At least I hope so.

Baseball makes the world go 'round, or at least in my world it does.

by Whiteyballer on Jul 11, 2010 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think we will be trading him

*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 11, 2010 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whoever is needs slapped. I mean * slapped.

Baseball makes the world go 'round, or at least in my world it does.

by Whiteyballer on Jul 11, 2010 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

m's wanted a bat

so he couldn’t get us lee, so might as well keep him – although sounds like cards more interested in haren than they were lee, which is surprising because i didn’t think we could afford him, yet the brass “covets” him.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jul 11, 2010 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

that makes sense

though there’s no way I’d trade Shelby for any one player in the Lee trade, including Lee…

Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers

by SleepyCA on Jul 11, 2010 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

They can stop exaggerating velocity

We’re gonna see what the dude throws in 2 seconds time.

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by joker24 on Jul 11, 2010 8:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Who?

I’m not listening anymore.

by vivaelpujols on Jul 11, 2010 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

But fun

I hope baseball does get faster guys.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jul 11, 2010 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

If they're good.

I like watching fast players but being faster doesn’t automatically make you better.

Silly humans, this world is for robots.

by azruavatar on Jul 11, 2010 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

technically, it does

if you have player A and player B that are the same exact player but player B runs a little faster, he’s automatically better.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 11, 2010 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sure

my point is that rarely are all things equal in that manner. Typically you get slappy fast guys with poor secondary offensive skills.

Silly humans, this world is for robots.

by azruavatar on Jul 11, 2010 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

speed and youth were overlooked during the steroid era

but are definitely in vogue now, so these guys are more sought after and given more opportunity.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jul 11, 2010 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

and if

“Speed doesn’t slump why were the padres 4-6 in their last ten

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by TomCat009 on Jul 11, 2010 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

well, they did outscore the opposition 51-39 in that period

which would be a 71% win percentage by pythag. So… they were unlucky?

Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers

by SleepyCA on Jul 11, 2010 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

well they had a couple of blowouts to help that

lord knows I have had enough of their Jerry Jr and Scott show

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by TomCat009 on Jul 11, 2010 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

also, they played the rockies in Colorado

the week after the rockies played the cardinals in colorado ;)

Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers

by SleepyCA on Jul 11, 2010 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Evereth Cabrera(ugghh) a rockies rule 5 loss

hit a shoulder high fast ball into what appeared to be a jet stream out to right to win today

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by TomCat009 on Jul 11, 2010 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

i thought he was out injured?

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jul 11, 2010 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

nope back in time to hit his first career hr

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by TomCat009 on Jul 11, 2010 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

ok, so he was then

he made a big jump last year, bound to have some growing pains

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jul 11, 2010 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

still an excellent SS but would have never jumped

Tulo, Barmes, Herrera, EY2, Nelson and Quintanilla to make the show

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by TomCat009 on Jul 11, 2010 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

where the hell is ey2?

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jul 11, 2010 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

broke his leg in May back in august

shame too a guy who once stole 87 bases in 128 games in the minors with a 12%BB rate a high contact patient hitter with wheels could definitely be an asset

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by TomCat009 on Jul 12, 2010 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

he broke his leg in May he will be back in august

sorry i don’t use txt speak here but that is about as much effort as I am willing to put into a comments section

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by TomCat009 on Jul 12, 2010 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ah

When I heard “back in August” I thought you meant “back” like “in the past”

My bad. lol wut redacted.

by jd is legend on Jul 12, 2010 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

when I read it your way I got it immediately

I am much more comfortable getting my thoughts out in the spoken format where I can rely on inflection, than I ever will in written

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by TomCat009 on Jul 12, 2010 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bourn's highest steal total in the minors was 58

although he was only caught 6 times, I was talking about Eric Young Jr he had walk rates of 11.8, 7.5, 12.8, and 10.1 in full MiLB seasons to go with SB totals of 87, 73, 46, 58

his defense is shaky but if he matches anywhere near his career MiLB wOBA of .375 somebody will put up with his occasional booted grounder

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by TomCat009 on Jul 12, 2010 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bourn in the minors had 1812 PA with a career 12.5 walk rate

164 steals and 28 caught stealing. He also had a .285/.378/.392 line.

EY2 so far has 2648 PA with a 11.0 walk rate, 306 steals and 90 caught stealing. He had a .292/.383/.413 line.

IMO the two are very similar. EY2 has more steals and a tiny bit more power, but he’s also gotten caught stealing a lot more.

Bourne so far has had a .314 wOBA in the bigs, which is about what you’d expect given his line in the minors. He’s maintained his stolen base ability with 61 in 2009 and on pace for nearly that this year. He’s played good defense in center, so overall he’s been pretty valuable.

Why do you think EY2 will be any better than Bourn has been in the bigs?

by vivaelpujols on Jul 12, 2010 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

well, if he's only as good as bourn

and that at second base, wish we had him.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jul 12, 2010 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

But EY2, as Tomcat said, is a bad defender

Whereas Bourn is an excellent defender.

EY2’s career MLE in the minors is for a .567 OPS! His best season has a raw .821 OPS and that came with a .346 BABIP in the PCL.

He’s shown good plate disicpline and obviously has excellent speed, but he appears to have absolutely no power and strikes out a lot. When you combine that with bad defense (I don’t know if that is the case, but that’s what TomCat said) that’s basically Emilio Bonifacio.

At this point, I would take Greene, Skip and Lopez ahead of him.

by vivaelpujols on Jul 12, 2010 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

MLE, just the way your mother likes it!

I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons

by hazel on Jul 12, 2010 1:30 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

i thought you were saying

ey2 was basically bourn, but not better.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jul 12, 2010 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was comparing them offensively

Yes. But Bourn is a ++ defender and according to Tomcat, EY2 is a bad defender.

by vivaelpujols on Jul 12, 2010 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

shaky not neccesarily a lost cause

 a ground ball heavy staff like the Rockies would rather see Barmes at 2B no doubt

Time is the best teacher; Unfortunately it kills all its students

by TomCat009 on Jul 12, 2010 1:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

to me he is destined for a utility spot

at least on the Rockies I see Nelson as either the SS that pushes Tulo to 3rd or as the 2B of the future, EY2 has a high BABIP everywhere he goes so a .346 does not concern me his lowest BABIP in the minors is .340

and to say that bourn is at a .313 wOBA and act like that is his true talent level when he has seasons of .348 and .342 under his belt is a disingenuous as your saying that Cargo has a .323 OBP in his career(which is .005 lower than Rasmus)

Time is the best teacher; Unfortunately it kills all its students

by TomCat009 on Jul 12, 2010 1:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

...

BABIP is always higher in the minors due to worse defense, worse field conditions and worse pitchers. It needs to be MLE’d more than anything else.

You know what’s even more disingenuous than saying Bourn has a career .313 wOBA? Saying that 133 PA in 2007 counts as a “season” and is particularly relevant going forward. Over his last three full seasons (514 PA in 08, 678 PA in 09 and 355 PA so far this year), Bourn has wOBAs of .276, .342 and .309. His ZIPS projection is for .318.

by vivaelpujols on Jul 12, 2010 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

so Bourns BABIP for the last 4 years

.335/330/290/366/323 one of those is different and it resulted in his numbers falling off a cliff to a 67wRC+ which might color his projections a bit

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by TomCat009 on Jul 12, 2010 1:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Okay and the .366 BABIP in his 110 wRC+ season might color his projections as well

Overall, ZIPS projects him to have a .326 BABIP going forward, which sounds about right to me.

Are you really going to argue that Michael fucking Bourn doesn’t suck as a hitter? I mean the guy is 28 and has over 1500 plate appearances in the bigs. His career numbers are pretty close to what we should expect of him going forward.

by vivaelpujols on Jul 12, 2010 2:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

what I am arguing is that

projections are shite, yes they have some validity but they are shite.
Find me a projection on Vernon Wells, Alexis Rios, or Jose Bautista from this spring what do you want to bet they aren’t worth the virtual ink it took to write them

Time is the best teacher; Unfortunately it kills all its students

by TomCat009 on Jul 12, 2010 2:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Projections are what you'd expect of a player if he doesn't experiaence any large changes in his skillset year to year

So for a guy like Bautista, who has now clearly changed something in his approach, of course the projections aren’t going to be particularity good.

But what, has Bourn changed something drastically in his approach this year that makes you think his projections are misreading him? He’s hitting and playing just like he always has.

by vivaelpujols on Jul 12, 2010 2:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

you seem to think we are arguing about

Bourn I am arguing about projections and how you seem willing to discard data that doesn’t fit with on of your pre-concieved notions

Time is the best teacher; Unfortunately it kills all its students

by TomCat009 on Jul 12, 2010 2:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Um what?

I told you exactly what I think of projections – they are good for players who haven’t really changed their approach and have a good samples worth of at bats in the majors. They are not particularly good for players who have had drastic differences in their approach or a limited number of at bats in the majors.

I wouldn’t trust projections much for Rasmus. I would trust them slightly more for Cargo (he has a larger sample size of at bats in the majors) and I would place a lot of confidence in them for Bourn.

Also, show examples of my disenegnousness or shut the fuck up.

by vivaelpujols on Jul 12, 2010 2:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Since it is making you angry I will go ahead

and end our conversation. It really isn’t my role in this life to disabuse you of every misconception you may have.

To me it seems like so many who set out ridiculing the “Old School” types for their reliance on common knowledge, but have gone down that road just relying in the same way on new and better metrics to hammer their own opinions home

Just try remember what the whole point of SABR was about in the first place, it is about asking better questions, digging behind the numbers to find a truth as yet undiscovered.

Time is the best teacher; Unfortunately it kills all its students

by TomCat009 on Jul 12, 2010 3:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

and Zips has Colby at a

.265/.340/.447 line with 9 HRs from here on out do you want to take the over or under on that?

Time is the best teacher; Unfortunately it kills all its students

by TomCat009 on Jul 12, 2010 2:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Unrelated to Bourn

Rasmus is 23 years old and scouts out great. Furthermore, he only has ~800 PA in the bigs. So of course a projection system using his past stats isn’t going to be very good.

Bourn on the other hand is 28 and has twice as many plate appearances as Raz.

by vivaelpujols on Jul 12, 2010 2:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

and those 800 PA are all different

and dynamic
Last year Carlos Gonzalez had a better BB% rate and a worse K% than Colby this year they have flipped

Time is the best teacher; Unfortunately it kills all its students

by TomCat009 on Jul 12, 2010 2:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was trying to illustrate a point

Rasmus gets a lot of love arouI am using the fact thatnd here as a future MVP type and that seems fine by you(or at least I don’t remember you doing so) but you have on more than a few occasions spoke up about how you don’t understand why people are in love with Cargo

Time is the best teacher; Unfortunately it kills all its students

by TomCat009 on Jul 12, 2010 2:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

My entire point was that Cargo's numbers this year were not worthy of being an All Star

The Rockies were talking about him being a massive snub, whereas at the time he had a .350 wOBA playing half his games in Coors.

By the same though I thought people weren’t giving Rasmus his due when he was putting up a .400+ wOBA a couple of weeks ago.

by vivaelpujols on Jul 12, 2010 2:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would say that's probably not too far from reality

He’s striking out way too much and I doubt as a flyball hitter he’s really going to keep up the .360 BABIP.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jul 12, 2010 2:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah but do you think he will

keep up a 30% K rate? I think those two will largely offset each other and if Colby slugs .447 from here on out I would be very surprised

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by TomCat009 on Jul 12, 2010 2:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

ey2 in a utility role isn't bad

of course you guys all seem interchangeable anyway, like everyone plays a lot. barmes is a pretty good ss, btw.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jul 12, 2010 2:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

He does seem to get to a lot of balls

and is in his second straight month of hitting like he did when he came up

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by TomCat009 on Jul 12, 2010 2:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

might have nothing to do with speed, though

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jul 11, 2010 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

who is this stached man?

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 11, 2010 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ron Woods

A 30-something reliving his dream.

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.

by TBender on Jul 11, 2010 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

hell yeah he does

*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 11, 2010 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

why is nick swisher in the home run derby

am I missing something? this thing gets more and more irrelevant each year. although I still kinda think it’s cool

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 11, 2010 8:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Cause they wanted a Yankee

Remember that Cano was in it. The Yankees requested he refuse. He did and now Swisher is there.

Baseball makes the world go 'round, or at least in my world it does.

by Whiteyballer on Jul 11, 2010 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I gotta do laundry tomorrow night anyway

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 11, 2010 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's a joke homer derby

i really like young on the d’backs, but is he a homer hitter? gotta take who will accept. this must be the weakest field ever.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jul 11, 2010 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's dying.

I believe it will ultimately get taken out in 2-3 when hitters don’t want to screw up their swings, and the ratings for it drop.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Jul 11, 2010 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

gameday has sanchez coming in

yes

"I throw him four wide ones then try to pick him off first base." - Preacher Roe on Stan Musial

by Shi on Jul 11, 2010 8:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Bout time!

Baseball makes the world go 'round, or at least in my world it does.

by Whiteyballer on Jul 11, 2010 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

SANCHEZ

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 11, 2010 8:41 PM EDT reply actions  

yes yes yes

Silly humans, this world is for robots.

by azruavatar on Jul 11, 2010 8:41 PM EDT reply actions  

woh

he pitches like a ninja

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 11, 2010 8:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Booooo!

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by Whiteyballer on Jul 11, 2010 8:42 PM EDT reply actions  

it definitely stands out

"I throw him four wide ones then try to pick him off first base." - Preacher Roe on Stan Musial

by Shi on Jul 11, 2010 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Uggh. Pitching change.

Baseball makes the world go 'round, or at least in my world it does.

by Whiteyballer on Jul 11, 2010 8:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Mmm 97 mph pitches and groundballs

Soooo can I dream for Sanchez/Salas to get the call, Boggs to the rotation and Suppan to the tee box?

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jul 11, 2010 8:46 PM EDT reply actions  

As much as I hate putting someone with 3+ pitches in the pen

I’m not sure I screw with Boggs right now. Sanchez and Salas should both be contributors in the bigs soon though. I hope it’s with the Cardinals.

Silly humans, this world is for robots.

by azruavatar on Jul 11, 2010 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Me too

I just really dislike the idea of Suppan and his 11 BBs/12 Ks with the Cardinals….and past 3 years of dogshit performance….in the rotation.

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by joker24 on Jul 11, 2010 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Boggs should be a starter at some point, though.

He’s got a ton of potential if his stuff can translate at all from the bullpen. Maybe this offseason, he can make the transition? Seems like there are plenty of live arms to replace him in the pen but I agree that I would be skeptical to interrupt his current success.

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by purple_haze on Jul 11, 2010 9:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

He's always been an enigma in that way though.

His stuff looks great (even as a starter) but the results as a starter never matched. I’m not sure if it was a sequencing thing or a command thing but it never quite translated. He looks SOOOO good in the pen that I suspect he gets the McClellan treatment for a while.

Silly humans, this world is for robots.

by azruavatar on Jul 11, 2010 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

he'll never be a starter.

that’s my call. he likes the bullpen. a lot. they’ve assimilated him entirely. when the hole in his game is his mental approach, having a defined role is may be the only way he gets around being rattled.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 12, 2010 7:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Assimilated into the bullpen.

A very appropriate term.

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.

by TBender on Jul 12, 2010 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

or did the beards assimilate them?

dun dun dun!!

(paging EvilFrog)

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 12, 2010 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

i think you nailed it

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jul 12, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I had not seen Boggs pitch in the minors and only saw him once he reached the majors.

But to me, his motion looks a little off. It’s almost like he throws across his body. I think his mechanics play much better out of the pen because over a longer appearance (like a start), he may be unable to consistently repeat those mechanics, especially as he gets more tired, leading to a lack of command.

As well, his lack of a good 3rd pitch and his increased velocity out of the pen make him a better fit there.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 12, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

lol carlos silva

coming down to earth is a bitch. 5 ER in 1 1/3 inning and got tossed.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 11, 2010 8:47 PM EDT reply actions  

mmmm I love the Cubs

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by azruavatar on Jul 11, 2010 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting.

He was day-to-day and they were considering not starting him today.

I'm out of champagna. How about some 7-Up and Mad Dog 20/20?

by The Continental on Jul 11, 2010 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

wonder why they would then, unless someone was looking at him

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jul 11, 2010 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Someone has to pick up the slack for Big Z

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.

by TBender on Jul 11, 2010 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Both of our prospects have looked tremendous.

Eduardo has that quirky windup, but that fastball with command and movement looks major league ready.

Shelby Miller is really really exciting. His movement is just so irresistibly easy and his fastball has that Duncan-ready sink.

Even in this tiny sample size, I saw so many red flags in this futures game, so despite the quick hook on our guys, I’m pleased with then direction of Miller and Sanchez.

babip giveth... and babip taketh away

by purple_haze on Jul 11, 2010 8:56 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

what kind of red flags?

"I throw him four wide ones then try to pick him off first base." - Preacher Roe on Stan Musial

by Shi on Jul 11, 2010 9:03 PM EDT reply actions  

reply fail, meant for haze

"I throw him four wide ones then try to pick him off first base." - Preacher Roe on Stan Musial

by Shi on Jul 11, 2010 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

In other pitchers, I saw some painful looking movements

Serious control issues etc. Our guys looked smooth by comparison.

babip giveth... and babip taketh away

by purple_haze on Jul 11, 2010 9:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

our 2 pitchers looked good

and the royals have a couple good position prospects

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jul 11, 2010 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tanner Scheppers throws cheddar

I’d really like to know how someone with a blown out shoulder throws 99…

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jul 11, 2010 9:10 PM EDT reply actions  

aww, fuu

i forgot about this. how’d shelby do?

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jul 11, 2010 9:41 PM EDT reply actions  

both of our guys looked really promising

*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 11, 2010 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

man, Padilla looks flat out scary

like, hide the women and children scary. like, here’s my wallet please leave me alone, scary.

Optimism carried too far becomes dementia.

by RosevilleRedbird on Jul 11, 2010 9:42 PM EDT reply actions  

OT

Favorite moment from today’s WC final? Mortal Kombat kick to the chest

by jd is legend on Jul 11, 2010 9:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Jenny Finch- still cute.

I'm out of champagna. How about some 7-Up and Mad Dog 20/20?

by The Continental on Jul 11, 2010 10:01 PM EDT reply actions  

MC Hammer goes deeeeep!

I'm out of champagna. How about some 7-Up and Mad Dog 20/20?

by The Continental on Jul 11, 2010 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Basehit by The Wizard

followed by a dinger from Ms. Finch! Go NL!

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by The Continental on Jul 11, 2010 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rickey looks like Rickey could still hit the mendoza with .300+obp easily

tack on 35 steals and the Padres have a new OF

Time is the best teacher; Unfortunately it kills all its students

by TomCat009 on Jul 11, 2010 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's probably playing in an independent league somewhere under an assumed name.

He loves the game, I’ll say that for him.

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by The Continental on Jul 11, 2010 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

dude had an OBP of .456 in an independent league

at the age of 46. lol.

sadly that was 5 years ago…

Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers

by SleepyCA on Jul 11, 2010 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

of course he lead the majors with 66 stolen bases as a 39 year old

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by TomCat009 on Jul 12, 2010 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bo Knows the hidden ball trick.

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by The Continental on Jul 11, 2010 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

or he thought he did

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by The Continental on Jul 11, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

2 HR by Ricky

Ricky likes the home run trot. Ricky stylin’.

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by The Continental on Jul 11, 2010 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bo almost hits one out for real.

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by The Continental on Jul 11, 2010 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

what a loss he was

if he had only concentrated on baseball he could have played 15 years

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by TomCat009 on Jul 11, 2010 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

(Steve Garvey paternity joke here)

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by The Continental on Jul 11, 2010 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh good, rerun tonight.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 12, 2010 7:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yowza!

:=8D

Big McLargehuge!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Jul 12, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

RBI WIZ

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by TomCat009 on Jul 11, 2010 10:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Final at Chavez Ravine

7 – 0 Dodgers over Cubs

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by The Continental on Jul 11, 2010 10:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Soooo

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by chalk on Jul 11, 2010 10:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Here it is

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by chalk on Jul 11, 2010 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Need one for the Reds.

Silly humans, this world is for robots.

by azruavatar on Jul 11, 2010 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

current shot

"He’s in his own world out there. He says he doesn’t cuss. I disagree." - Skip Schumaker on Jason Motte
Austin Wilson, please don't be a tease!

by BVHeck on Jul 12, 2010 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

perhaps this is preferable

"He’s in his own world out there. He says he doesn’t cuss. I disagree." - Skip Schumaker on Jason Motte
Austin Wilson, please don't be a tease!

by BVHeck on Jul 12, 2010 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions   3 recs

I will always enjoy a Cubs loss.

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by The Continental on Jul 11, 2010 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

"now that they suck"

anyway, it’s nostalgic

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by chalk on Jul 11, 2010 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anyone got video of Shelby's outing?

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

That guy we gave a lot of money in the offseason to protect albert is dead to me...DEAD TO ME

by VolsnCards5 on Jul 11, 2010 10:50 PM EDT reply actions  

ESPN3 has the game up for replay.

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by The Continental on Jul 11, 2010 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ugh, my computer doesn't like ESPN3

How did Shelby and Sanchez look…what were their lines like?

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

That guy we gave a lot of money in the offseason to protect albert is dead to me...DEAD TO ME

by VolsnCards5 on Jul 11, 2010 11:15 PM EDT reply actions  

both good

Shelby .2 IP, 1 H (an infield single to short), 0 R, 0 K, 0 BB
Sanchez .2 IP, 0 H, 1 R (reached on error, 2nd on WP, 3rd on grounder, scored on grounder), 0 K, 0 BB

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by chalk on Jul 11, 2010 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

you remember what inning?

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

That guy we gave a lot of money in the offseason to protect albert is dead to me...DEAD TO ME

by VolsnCards5 on Jul 11, 2010 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dan’s brief take on them here.

I think Sanchez was in the 8th, Miller before then (6th or 7th, I guess).

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by The Continental on Jul 11, 2010 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

sixth iirc

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by chalk on Jul 11, 2010 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

and it wasn't su much a CS as a

“2B muscled the skinny guy’s leg off the bag”.

I was disappointed. Would rather have seen him pitch to another batter.

Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers

by SleepyCA on Jul 11, 2010 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Small write-up on Miller at the mothership.

Goes a bit into how the org had him skipping starts so that he could work on his mechanics on the side (and keep his innings down).

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by The Continental on Jul 11, 2010 11:52 PM EDT reply actions  

towel please
“It’s ridiculous,” Miller said. “My fastball is so much better. I can put it wherever I want it. That’s my pitch right now. Use it just as much as I did in high school. I throw a little bit of offspeed now and then. The other day I threw five offspeed pitches. I use my fastball a lot, I can locate it, and when it’s on, it’s on.”

"He’s in his own world out there. He says he doesn’t cuss. I disagree." - Skip Schumaker on Jason Motte
Austin Wilson, please don't be a tease!

by BVHeck on Jul 12, 2010 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, he'll need off-speed

and not be so obvious about it coming, too.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jul 12, 2010 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

thankfully he has 3 or so years to get it right

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by TomCat009 on Jul 12, 2010 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, he looks good

still don’t get the short stride, but maybe they did that because he was having control issues, idk. just hate to see a power pitcher with that stride.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jul 12, 2010 2:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

he is likely getting Dunc-ed

if Carp had Dunc doing things like that to him early in his career he would been challenging Doc for pitcher of the decade

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by TomCat009 on Jul 12, 2010 2:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

well, could be

so long as dunc is involved, it’s usually good, so i trust they know what they’re doing.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jul 12, 2010 2:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

alright i need help here... i was bored, and listening to not afaid gave me an idea

so i wrote down a lyrical parody of it pertaining to the cardinals… problem is its too large for a comment on here, too irrelevant for a fanpost, and probably too big for a fanshot so i don’t know what the fuck to do

Preview: (sing it to the tune of Not Afraid’s refrain)

“I’m not afraid to go my ways,
Everybody hates how I play
my lineups every night, through the season
whatever record, good or bad,
just let you know that, I’m the best,
Hola if you can say Hall of Fame now BITCH”

that’s the hook btw, i actually parodied the whole song… its only the lyrics and im not sure where exactly to place it… suggestions?

Rasmus can hit lefties
cardinalred
St. Louis Sports blog

by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 12, 2010 2:40 AM EDT reply actions  

put it in fanposts if you want to check it out

its a little rough and won’t really make sense for those not familiar with eminem’s song not afraid, but i did my best with it

Rasmus can hit lefties
cardinalred
St. Louis Sports blog

by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 12, 2010 3:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Who is Eminem?

Get off my Lawn!
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Big McLargehuge!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Jul 12, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

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