The Suppan Question: Trade or No Trade
by DanUpBaby on Jul 1, 2010 6:00 AM EDT
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PrintProgramming note: I received an e-mail the other day from a producer at HBO Sports that I thought might be interesting to various VEBers who are not holding out hope for that Ray Lankford documentary I've always wanted. Blockquote:
Hey Dan,
My name is Rahul Rohatgi, and I'm a producer at HBO Sports. I'm currently researching a documentary on the late Cardinals center fielder Curt Flood, and I'd like to post a message on Viva El Birdos, suggesting any Cardinals fans contact me if they have any Flood stories or memorabilia.
I told him I could do him one better! So if you have any Curt Flood stories or memorabilia, contact Rahul via e-mail here.
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The Cardinals are now 1-3 with Jeff Suppan as their starter, but while he hasn't exceeded expectations by very much he's still put in about the kind of performance that can be expected from a half-competent fifth starter. He's performed, if I had to guess, better than Adam Ottavino would have; at worst he's been about what we could have expected from some in-house option. He's been awful to watch in a lot of ways—six runs in four hours is not how baseball is supposed to work—but there's something fun about watching a completely generic pitcher institute the Dave Duncan plan as closely as he can manage.
So if I'd still just as soon be watching an unproven starter make shaky starts every fifth day, the question at this point isn't whether the Cardinals were right to sign Jeff Suppan so much as whether they're right to continue to field a rotation that has Jeff Suppan and Blake Hawksworth in it; whether it's better to watch Suppan and Hawksworth fulfill their wildest replacement level ambitions two games out of five until Lohse and Penny recover, or start following MLB Trade Rumors again until July 31 looking for teams who've tired of their Jarrod Washburn types.
And it's Washburn types I think the Cardinals would end up scouting. Trading Shelby Miller so soon after Brett Wallace, and for a player the Cardinals almost certainly wouldn't be able to afford, seems further outside the realm of possibility than acquiring Holliday did. The kind of pitcher the Cardinals would be after would cost the equivalent of the rest of the Holliday package—Lance Lynn and Daryl Jones?—and be about as dinged up as Daryl Jones's reputation.
On Twitter, which, as a member of The New Media, I am required to follow, VEB alum and Future Redbirds godfather Erik Manning has suggested Jake Westbrook and Kevin Millwood, who seem about right both as individuals and as types. That's who the Cardinals should be after, if they're after anybody: guys who will replace Brad Penny or Kyle Lohse in execution and in cost. Daryl Jones and Lance Lynn, like the $7.5 million it cost to sign Penny (and, yes, entirely unlike the $41 million the Cardinals are paying Lohse), have value, but they're not irreplaceable.
Still arguably the best team in the division, and looking at the class of player whose trade will not cause ESPN2 to break into its WNBA coverage, the Cardinals can afford to wait, and they probably should. There's a lot for them to wait about: how Kyle Lohse and Brad Penny's comebacks progress, how Jeff Suppan and Starter #5 keep it together, how Jaime Garcia holds up as the season passes the halfway mark, and, of course, how the Reds look in July. (Their GM is well known, in baseball circles, for the occasional trading deadline move.)
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Random: I dont know if its been discussed before but Jason LaRue with 'stache could have been a damn good Wyatt Earp impersonator.
And in that context, played a team from Arizona, here we go:
That 4 hour game yesterday was like trying to pay attention to a football game after Thanksgiving dinner. You fight and you fight and you fight to keep your eyes open because you wanna see how it ends but damnit, staring at the back of your eyelids feels so good. Needless to say, I fell asleep in the 6th inning yesterday. Yes, the game was THAT boring. (‘It would appear the strain was more than he could bear.’)
I awoke to the roar of the crowd in the 9th as Matt Holliday singled to left. (‘Alright Lunger, Let’s do it!’.)
Then the bloop single by Colby put 2 men on and 1 out. Excited, ready for another walkoff I perked up and sat up with my hand on the remote. (‘Say when.’)
Then I realized that the next two batters would be Nick Stavinoha and Aaron Miles. Regression is a bitch, two very weak outs by Miles and Fat Miles. (’You’re no daisy. You’re no daisy at all. Poor soul, you’re just too high strung.’)
I thought to myself, how did ‘veteran leadership and grit’ surpass ‘talent and upside’? Does SoonerFan, I meanTLR, have an agenda that involves favorites? Is he sticking it to the fanbase and local media? (‘Make no mistake, its not revenge he’s after. It’s a reckoning’)
God I love that movie, anyways, on to the Brewers.
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So three lefties in this series: Wolf, Narveson and Parra. Oughta be a treat. Suppan doesn’t get to face his former team, what a damn shame that would have been. Schucks.
Against 3 (fairly) soft tossing lefties and with Ludwick, Freese on the bench, what are the projections/predictions for this series offensively?
'Real women know that the way to a man's heart...is through a melee attack!' - KB
Formerly known as The_teague
by Heisenberg on Jul 1, 2010 7:18 AM EDT reply actions 10 recs
well, luddy hits righties better anyway
and i believe freeze is showing an ever so slight inclination to do the same – at the least, he’s about even.
on what danup wrote, there is only one cliff lee on the market, and whoever gets him will be that much better. let’s just hope it’s not trader jock. i’m not sure a package centered on miller would be enough to get it done, but i think it’s worth a try. yes, we have some good starters who’ve been carrying us, but why not let them carry us even more. the bullpen has been solid, and do we even have a way to improve the offense in one deal, realistically? i say accentuate the positive – sorta hides the ugliness that is the offense, and upgrades the value of playing boog.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
That's my worry too
That Jocketty smells blood in the water and deals Alonso and another C level prospect for Cliff Lee. Considering that the M’s are a very good fit for Yonder Alonso (giant holes at DH and 1B), they’d do that deal in a heartbeat.
I think the Reds with Lee would be the favorite to win the division unless Penny comes back post ASB and pitches like he did in April and Garcia continues to impress. Otherwise the Cardinals would have to make a move as well, and our options just aren’t that good, imo.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
sometimes there is more to be gained from a trade than meets the eye
to keep lee from cincy adds value to any deal we make, imo. and any reaction to a reds trade for lee on our part could be too little, too late – to get any real upgrade, we’d likely end up paying more than we would have for lee to begin with, because other teams would also smell blood.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Hey! We have Russell Branyan now
So we only have a giant hole at DH thankyouverymuch
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
The question is
Why didn’t they just sign Russell Branyan in the offseason?
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
His asking price was too high early on
He was asking for 3 years guaranteed at a higher annual salary than what he ultimate signed with the Indians
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
I think they'd still do the Alonso deal in a heartbeat, don't you?
Hard to pass up a guy with his bat when you can stick him at DH…
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
If I'm the Mariners, I probably don't do it
Alonso doesn’t really excite me at all. His highest OPS in the minors has been .880, which he did in High A, and currently, as a 23 year old in AAA, he’s got an ugly .238/.278/.337 line.
There’ll be better offers based around a better core player
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Freese's career minor league splits
vs. LHP: .324/.390/.574/.964
vs. RHP: .293/.373/..503/.876
from MinorLeagueSplits.com.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jul 1, 2010 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah
but a couple weeks ago, wondering why lefties give us trouble, looked all of them up vs. lefties, and luddy had biggest reverse split, but holliday and freeze also did – it went something like 60-40-20, respectively, in ops.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
but MLE is a greater indicator
because it has less SSS in it
Rasmus can hit lefties
cardinalred
St. Louis Sports blog
Guess whose MLE this is?
.222/.263/.352/.615
Carry the battle to them. Don't let them bring it to you. Put them on the defensive and don't ever apologize for anything.
thanks for pointing that out
and in other news…
i’m just keeping an eye on it because his approach may have changed a bit with mac and/or righties might be pitching him away, which plays to his strength, and lefties may be pitching him in. it’s obviously sss now, but i was focused on what has already happened, and he wasn’t hitting lefties as well as righties, same with holiday and luddy, and this, plus the way our lefties hit lefties, or sit, explains our struggles vs. lefties despite being a predominantly righty-hitting lineup vs. them – i mean, that’s the heart of our order.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Projection:
Against 3 (fairly) soft tossing lefties and with Ludwick, Freese on the bench, what are the projections/predictions for this series offensively?
- Albert Pujols/Matt Holliday will have big series’, but won’t have anyone on base in front of them.
- Aaron Miles will start all three games at 2B. Fuck.
- Aaron Miles might hit second in two of those games. &%#(#&%&#$#(@##&@!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- Nick Stavinoha will probably be hitting fifth at least once, possibly twice, and maybe even three times. As one VEB reader would say: “Well why wouldn’t he, he’s taken good AB’s against the Brewers and hit a homer against them earlier this year!”
- Randy Winn will inexplicably start two games in CF.
- Randy Winn’s defense will cost us at least 2 runs over the course of the series if this happens.
- We will waste two quality starts by not having the lead when the starters leave the game.
Other than that, everything should be fucking peachy keen.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
by fourstick on Jul 1, 2010 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
My worry
is that we waste two quality starts by not having the lead at the end of two low-scoring games.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jul 1, 2010 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Their bullpen suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucks though
If we can work counts and pile up pitches on their starters and can get into their bullpen in the 6th inning, we’ll be money ahead even with our 4 person lineup.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Well you hit it...
“If we can work counts and pile up pitches on their starters…”
Yeah, I’m not optimistic. We went up there hackin’ against Dontrelle Freakin’ Willis a couple of days ago. And he walks like 23 guys per 9 innings. That’s kinda just what we do.
And Dontrelle still walked 7 guys in that start I think.
Can’t really argue with an 8-0 win though. If we go up there hacking and Lopez goes 15-20 in the series and Albert drives in 5 runs every day with a couple of dingers and a double I’ll be plenty happy.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Recreating the Lopez-Pujols magic from the game against the D-Train
may prove difficult, I fear. Pujols and Lopez were 7-for-9 with 5 RBI and 6 R.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jul 1, 2010 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, of course.
We’ll all be happy if “Lopez goes 15-20 in the series and Albert drives in 5 runs every day with a couple of dingers and a double.”
But honestly, what so far this season makes you think that such a performance is likely to be repeated? And what about the Hal McRae “B-E- Be Be Aggressive” approach makes you think that it would lead to such results?
Isn't it now the Mark McGwire approach?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
why would you think this about our ability to get their bullpen, four?
after how “well” we did against the even worse AZ bullpen
Correct me if I'm wrong here....
but didn’t we win 2 of 3 in that series?
In game 1, we got the game winning run off of their new closer, correct?
In game 2, we torched their bullpen for 3 runs in only 4 innings of work.
In game 3, we had 5 hits, 2 walks, and a run against their bullpen in 4 innings, we just couldn’t hit their rookie pitcher.
I’d say we did pretty well against the D-Back bullpen, just not so good against Chad Qualls, who’s probably still capable of being better than the numbers indicate to this point in the season.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
4 hits and 4 walks
in 5 innings, I wouldn’t call that “not hitting” their rookie pitcher. But no timely hitting.
True
But no extra base hits either. Just a scattering of singles.
And, if that isn’t “not hitting”, then our performance against their bullpen has to be considered outstanding FWIW.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Didn't he throw it to us?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jul 1, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
He tried
But missed by about 8 feet
by jd is legend on Jul 1, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
My only disagreement, four
Miles will start two games at second and one at third (to give floppy a break) – otherwise, I’m afraid you’ve hit the nail on the head in your prediction
To quote Andy Roddick
It was frustrating. It was miserable. It sucked. It was terrible. Besides that it was fine.
I want the Walrus back...
sitting in the stadium yesterday afternoon
i was floored by the cheer aaron miles got in the 9th.
but then again, the wave attempted starts a couple of times too.
busch stadium is irrational like that
Probably lots of kids there due to school being out
and Aaron Miles reminds them of their high school gym teacher….or they got confused and thought one of their friends somehow got onto the field.
Also, drunk people will root for anyone.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Drunk VEB'ers will heckle Aaron Miles to tears
by jd is legend on Jul 1, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
I guess
you were doing that in Helena, not STLL Long way to heckle.
by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Jul 1, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
No, I did it from the Commissioner's Box 2 weeks ago.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
d-dee
was talking about yesterday, so I assumed. Hope that you have recovered from the Oakland boys!
by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Jul 1, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I wasn't drunk,
and I was heckling him. (You may have heard that I went to K.C. for last weekend’s series.) And, a Cardinals fan started telling me to be quiet because he was in the majors and I was not. I said that just because he was in the majors doesn’t mean that he should be and that, while it might be unfair because I am younger than Miles, I easily could have fielded that groundball at second base. But, because Miles didn’t hustle or even attempt to dive, we gave up a single. And she was quiet. I thought maybe it was SoonerFan…
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
It was the ninth inning of
an all inclusive game for me. I was drunk.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
i was trying to stay positive about Miles
but that momentum is quickly dying. i’m still rooting for him, but thoroughly wishing he’d disappear like a ham sandwich. that i ate.
by mikey_mac on Jul 1, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i can't say im rooting for him
i mean unless i have to…..his true talent level i feel will hurt us when it matters most… such as last night in the 9th inning with 2 outs and 2 on… it was clear we were going to lose when he stepped to the plate
Rasmus can hit lefties
cardinalred
St. Louis Sports blog
Pinstripealley posted a vid from NY Time's about Mo's cutter
and unrelated, St. Louis local favorite, Clownvis, gets told to fuck off by both Sharon Osborne and Howie Mandel.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Jul 1, 2010 8:45 AM EDT reply actions 4 recs
clownvis did st. louis proud... not.
Albert's grand slam, 7/3/09
@zoomzoomj88
Jeff Passan is an asshat
Hoping that the Cards trade for Cliff Lee!
So he's from STL?
I’m pretty sure in big situations, they’d walk him [Pujols] to get to Babe Ruth.-- Matt Holliday
what an excellent post rocKStar
part one – fascinatingly educationally awesome
part two – hilarious
a rec for you
My favorite part of the Rivera video
is when he throws 1300 balls at you simultaneously and it looks like camera is smeared with blood afterward.
That’s pretty much what I would feel like batting against Rivera.
by Andyfantastic on Jul 1, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I saw this...
how is he a St. Louis local favourite? I haven’t heard of him before. Wasn’t that audition in L.A.?
I’m pretty sure in big situations, they’d walk him [Pujols] to get to Babe Ruth.-- Matt Holliday
The hipster part of town loves his ass.
Today my facebook had about a million clownvis posts and defaults pics of them and him in it. Go to Atomic when he’s playing, it’s insane.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
I used to be in to him
About 3 years ago
by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 1, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Ah.
To be honest, I found him kind of funny. Do you think he planned to make everyone mad at him like that? I thought his remarks about the judges were all funny and on point, actually…
I’m pretty sure in big situations, they’d walk him [Pujols] to get to Babe Ruth.-- Matt Holliday
he prolly expected to do well but had a clear backup plan
would be my guess…I don’t know him or go to all his shows but it just seemed like that wasn’t improved.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
I can't watch this at work,
is this the dbag that was in the boog / colby pic from last year?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
That email link is borked
Unless you think it’s a fake, but a google search reveals that, at least, the name is real. And a quick click reveals that hbo’s website SUCKS
The e-mail link didn't pass it's senat confirmaiton hearing because it was considered too conservative?
Or is there another meaning for “borked” that I’m not up on?
Think; It's not illegal yet.
by azruavatar on Jul 1, 2010 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
According
to Urban Dictionary:
Something is “borked” when it doesn’t work correctly or misbehaves, generally due to negligence by the person(s) that are responsible for it.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Urban Dictionary scares me
I’ve never gone there without walking away sullied.
Think; It's not illegal yet.
you should look up 'alone" on UD to cheer you up
by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 1, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
It's not.
I’m pretty sure in big situations, they’d walk him [Pujols] to get to Babe Ruth.-- Matt Holliday
not being able to spell "an" is all too common, but misspelling "is" is rare and exciting.
I don't give a fuck who you confuse me with.
Yeah. Flim is the primary
culprit in this. You have a reddit handle?
I’m pretty sure in big situations, they’d walk him [Pujols] to get to Babe Ruth.-- Matt Holliday
That sounds suspiciously similar to the meaning of "miersed"
I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons
Hahahaha
I’m hoping this joke is obscure enough that it won’t turn into some VEB subthread explosion. Anyway, that made me laugh, well done!
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
wow
I’ve never been so tempted to cross the no politics line. I don’t want to ban myself though so I’ll take a pass. . .
Think; It's not illegal yet.
i think we can discuss without crossing the politics line
I was referring to the meaning of the verb. As I recall, some one is borked if their public perception is irreparably harmed by misinformation.
From the almighty non-partisan Wikipedia:
In March 2002, the Oxford English Dictionary added an entry for the verb bork as U.S. political slang, with this definition: To defame or vilify systematically, especially in the mass media, usually with the aim of preventing his or her appointment to public office; to obstruct or thwart (a person) in this way.
I’m pretty sure in big situations, they’d walk him [Pujols] to get to Babe Ruth.-- Matt Holliday
apparently sb nation
inserted an “http://” automatically in front of my mailto:. It should work now.
the Rains guys report on our boys
- BJRains Just left an All-Star game featuring kids with cancer. Brendan Ryan, Skip Schumaker and Colby Rasmus were guest coaches. Great evening. about 11 hours ago via web
- BJRains After tough loss, those guys came straight to the game and stayed almost two hours. Ryan signed until every single person was satisfied. about 11 hours ago via web
- BJRains Will have a story on FOXSportsMidwest.com in a bit, but it was a great night. Smiles on those kids faces is something nobody will forget. about 11 hours ago via web
- RobRains A big thanks to Brendan Ryan, Colby Rasmus & Skip Schumaker for coming to our Rainbows for Kids All-Star game. Watch channel 5 news at 10 pm about 10 hours ago via web
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
tony better start all of them the whole series for that
or else he values kitties more than kids.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Dan Haren
What about a move for him? I cant see him costing Shelby miller if the cardinals were willing to take on his contract but I have no idea how they’d do that and still keep pujols past next year.
by lopey986 on Jul 1, 2010 9:38 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Really can't happen if we're keeping Albert
The D-Backs are going to ask for some very good pieces in return, considering they gave up FOUR good pitching prospects to get him a few years ago, and they aren’t going to be eating any of his salary either. I’d love to acquire him, but I just get the feeling that it’s a no-go at this point.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Remember when the Braves sold the farm to get Mark Teixeira and then traded him for Casey Kotchman the next year?
That was funny. Doubt the D-backs are that stupid, especially since Haren wouldn’t be only a half-season rental, but it would be funny if we could fleece them in a similar manner.
by jd is legend on Jul 1, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
you, seriously,
can’t see it costing Shelby Miller? They don’t have to trade Haren. There’s no way it doesn’t cost Miller +!
by chuckb on Jul 1, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I would bet Miller +2.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
So Shelby Miller + Trevor Miller = Dan Haren
by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 1, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
squared?
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
I would still consider it
if it were financially feasible, but I don’t see how it is without substantially raising payroll
you're just biding your time til
he makes his big league debut so you can break out “Shelby Moo-ller,” aren’t you? That’s no damn reason to oppose a trade you golfing puff adder*
*sorry, I’m currently going though a phase where I end statements in insults culled from Fawlty Towers
Birds gotta fly...
…fish gotta swim, cows gotta moo, and I have to make bad cow puns from player names. Cycle of life, my friends, cycle of life.
;=8)
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
You forgot,
haters gonna hate.
I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons
i'm also being told by a phillies fan that d-backs scouts have been at a bunch of minor league phillies games the last couple days
and the phillies are now the “favorites” to get Haren.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
the phillies should think about getting a closer instead.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
Or, just a reliever that doesn't suck in general really.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
they can move haren to the pen
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
If we're trading for anyone, please make it Jake Westbrook
- He won’t cost very much. A couple of B/C prospects at best. (Think The Corpse of Daryl Jones and a AA pitcher)
- His repertoire fits in nicely with Dave Duncan’s pitching philosophy. Look at the GB%, especially in his best three years from ‘04-’06. No reason to think that he couldn’t do that again after switching leagues and getting Duncan’s tutelage.
- It’s highly possible that he could come back next year on a one year deal for about what we’re paying Penny if he’s successful, as he’s probably looking at 1 year deals until he retires anyway considering his injury history and age.
You could say the some of the same things about Millwood (except that he isn’t a ground ball pitcher), but the Orioles are going to want a better return for him than the Indians will for Westbrook I would think.
As far as Millwood goes though, there’s a lot to like. His current xFIP is 4.30 (his FIP is inflated due to a 15.0% HR/FB rate), and his flyballing style coupled with Busch III would be a very good pairing, it’s just that it won’t work well in any other park in our division except maybe PNC. He’s not a Dave Duncan project pitcher, but he’s 35 and is probably looking at a string of one year deals until he retires, so there’s no reason to think that he wouldn’t be back next year at $7M or so if he performs well.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
by fourstick on Jul 1, 2010 9:40 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
'Stand for Stan', A push to get Stan Musial the Presidential Medal of Freedom
So if you guys follow Cardinals baseball at all you have probably heard the term, Stand for Stan. First off the Presidential Medal of Freedom is considered the highest honor a civilian can get. Think of it as the Congressional Medal of Honor for civilians. I know Stan is nice guy and all but why does he deserve such a high honor?
oh so that's what was blowing up twitter and my email....
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
That was my kneejerk reaction, too.
Then, I went and looked at past recipients. Numerous athletes have won it. Including, most recently, Billie Jean King, Buck O’Neil, Frank Robinson, Jack Nicklaus, Muhammad Ali, Hank Aaron, and Roberto Clemente.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Most of those people overcame color or sex barriers
That is probably a big reason they won. Jack Nicklaus was ridiculously awesome and Clemente just crashed and burned.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 1, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
clemente would not be happy
that you just said that about him. kinda cold.
Albert's grand slam, 7/3/09
@zoomzoomj88
Jeff Passan is an asshat
Hoping that the Cards trade for Cliff Lee!
Too Cold, Too Cold.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
Especially because he crashed and burned while on a humanitarian relief mission.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
because all Che fans are alike!
*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 1, 2010 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I've been wondering as much too
I went over to the site to hopefully see stories of how much he has given back to America after baseball, but I’m not sure what they are staking their case on. They did say he was friends with JFK and once served as an adviser to the President on fitness. But it seems to me that he is not really in the class of what Ali and some of the other athletes have meant off the field. Or at least I haven’t yet heard the case for it.
The worst part in my mind
Is that Tony Blair just won this award from Bush for his efforts in peace in the middle east. o_0
by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 1, 2010 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
I didn't think the Bork reference was all that obscure,
maybe just a little old, given the seemingly low average age of the community.
The award has clearly been utilized by presidents from both parties as a political tool to award allies and those with similar ideologies. That said, giving it to Stan Musial, at least to me, would seem to be a non-partisan act. He has not been particularly politically active, to my knowledge, which means we the non-political discussers of VEB should be all for it. After all, he is the Greatest Cardinal and that’s got to be worth something, right?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Oh Yes
The rest of the world hated Bush that much!
/apologizes for delving into politics somewhat
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
Mozeliak before the game yesterday said
That Penny is already throwing and could be back with the team my July 15th and Lohse could be back by the end of the month. I think a lot of this is just waiting and seeing
I believe Yadi2Second
posted yesterday that Mo was on the radio and basically said that they are not in a hurry because they need to see how Penny and Lohse heal. I wouldn’t anticipate a move until very close to the deadline, if one is made.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
well... it was Mospeak.
he was reserved, and it rather added to his endearing opacity.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 1, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
"...endearing opacity..."
Well done.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I'm offended
I’m riding a unicorn right now.
(high ceilings in the basement)
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Yeah
He threw something like 60 pitches off a mound which means he’s probably pretty close to going on a rehab assignment within a week I would imagine.
Not afraid to nitpick
Fixed
He threw something like 60 pitches off a mound which means he’s probably pretty close to going on a rehab assignment within a week I would imagine his right arm has probably now swollen to the size of his leg and he is traveling to Birmingham and Los Angeles to see the various orthopedic surgeons that have made their names fixing pitchers’ arms before coming back to the Loo to have George Paletta hack on his arm..
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jul 1, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't want to start a shit storm
but scapegoating Paletta is just tired and shows a complete lack of understanding about what goes on regarding injured players. He is a fine physician and the other experts called in to give second opinions mostly agree with him.
He operated on my son and is an impressive guy who does great work.
Carry the battle to them. Don't let them bring it to you. Put them on the defensive and don't ever apologize for anything.
so since the pen was not over-utilized yesterday and Ottavino is still available to back Hawksworth day...
do we see a pitcher sent down today in exchange for a guy for the bench? I guess Carp’s start is still in question though. I’d hate to see Salas sent down again, so maybe tomorrow Ottavino will be sent down if it looks like Carp can make his start.
Who would VEB want to replace Ottavino or Salas in the upcoming series? Craig, Jay, Mather, or Greene?
RFL for GG!
This depends on Ludwick's health.
If he cannot play, I’d prefer Craig, because he can hit lefties and we face three lefty starters this series. If Ludwick can play, I’d prefer Greene. Put Greene at second or short every game in the series and see what he can do. There is no reason whatsoever to start Skip against Milwaukee this series.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
That was my feeling also.
I wouldn’t be surprised though to see Mather before Craig, since he’s also been swinging a hot bat and he has more of that “veteran presence” that LaRussa loves. Plus his D is better in RF than Craig’s (with all that said, I’d still like to see Craig, as I feel he is ready to break out at the MLB level).
RFL for GG!
.289/.378/.368 against lefties this year
(who cares if it’s only 43 PAs)
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
yeah
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
That's great for skip
But both Craig and Greene would offer more power against those lefties
RFL for GG!
Right on the 43 PAs this year.
I would look at career splits.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I'm choosing to live in the now
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
since this is not really worth a fanshot and NOGAF anyway
little report from the Cardinals Career fair yesterday in bullet points:
- after a 30 minute delay before one could even get into the stadium, everyone was directed to the Champion’s Club
- the Champion’s Club is awesome
- i’d say about 200 people, mostly college grads, most of whom recent college grads
- a presentation by Aftersport Group, while entertaining, was a little questionable at times because some of it contradicted things i have been told over and over again by HR managers and serious career/resume building workshops. Nice guys, nonetheless
- the St Louis Blues were supposed to be there, I don’t think they were
- the St Louis Rams only have internships but they would start next season
- the Cardinals were only looking for people for ticket sales and when I say ticket sales I mean someone to man the windows at the box office
- FSNMW had the longest line. Bragging rights also for the Gateway Grizzlies and the Rams whose line of people waiting to talk to them was longer than that of the Cardinals, however, they both only spoke to one person at a time, while the Cards and FSN had 3 “interviews” going on at the same time
- FSN offers unpaid internships for college students, grad and undergrad alike but it’s mostly marketing and sales
So all in all, a disappointment, at least for people looking for a career and not just an internship
I did not talk to any of the businesses that were represented – banks, manufacturers etc. because you were only given two hours, which considering the amount of people was awful short.
Seats that came with the Career fair fee were in the 3-4 sections next to BigMac land but I got to sit two rows behind the commissioner’s box for a good part of the game cause I’m cool like that haha
People who pay $200 per seat and bring their 4 young daughters that couldn’t care less about the game to the ballpark piss me off. I get it, you can afford it, but what a waste on those children
There was an All-Star MO-IL high school game after the game where Mike Metheny and KMac were guest coaches
Sounds like most job fairs I went to
A giant waste of time with to many people and only a couple crappy jobs to fill
by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 1, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
it's a supply-demand thing
I applied for internships in a college when the market was rockin. The two job fairs i attended were productive – lots of interviews, multiple offers.
After graduation,when the demand wad down, the booths were less full and the employers were much more blunt and selective.
champions club is indeed awesome
nothing like open bar, buffet, & a cards game for under $100
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
Yep, and they serve a real nice dinner.
It’s a great deal.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
damnit. the diamondbacks have no such thing....that i am aware of
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
All the eel you can stomach?
I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons
I enjoyed the chorizo dish
or you can just load up on dogs and nachos
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
I think I paid $70 for each ticket earlier this season
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
is it a good view of the game?
i’m thinking this might be the way to go if i ever get back to STL
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
camera phone
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
that's the outside seat, obviously
the inside area isn’t assigned. they have tv’s, couches, bar stools, tables, ect
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
I find a photo I take of my view from seats
rarely captures my view. In fact, they generally seem like I’m further back.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jul 1, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
it's close to the foul pole
right next to the casino queen thing and the booth where Jack Clark ect sit
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
The only thing I didn't like about them,
is you are right under the second deck overhang, so you couldn’t see high flyballs, or the left field corner. But there are tv’s in front of all of the outside seats, so you can still follow the action reasonably well.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
maybe they couldn't find a sitter?
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
I dunno....
…if u got 5 seats at $200 a pop, all u gotta do is wave a $50 and the 14 year girls will drop their Twilight books and Justin Beiber posters and come running…
;=8)
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
when i said young
i meant probably 3, 5, 6, and something around 12 – half of those not even young enough to read twilight (or they knew better)
Olney's comment on yesterday's game
Watched some of the Cardinals’ loss to the D-Backs on Wednesday, and I would say it was some of the worst baseball played in the majors this year — slow, dead, awful.
Sounds about right.
I would feel a lot better about these summer doldrums
if the Cards MO under Tony the last few years hasn’t been a severe end of the season backslide. When, exactly, is this team gonna catch fire?
Probably when Clemente's ghost takes over as the teams plane pilot
by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 1, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
awesomely terrible
rec’d
"He’s in his own world out there. He says he doesn’t cuss. I disagree." - Skip Schumaker on Jason Motte
Austin Wilson, please don't be a tease!
Apparently,
Buster has missed the Baltimore Orioles entire season thus far. Is it possible to be 30 games out of first place at the ASB? The Orioles are on the case!
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Remember when Baltimore had one of the youngest and best OF's in the majors
and were a rising team? Yeah, I bet they miss those times…..Good times
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
Remember when Matt Wieters was the next Johnny Bench?
Funny, I don’t see too many posts over at BtB revisiting his projections from 2008 these days.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
BP wrote an article sometime during the offseason about how they'd discovered whatever it was in PECOTA
that made him project as the best catcher in baseball last year.
Fun fact
Wigginton’s homer last night was the first by an Orioles first baseman all season.
Did I say fun fact? I meant really sad fact.
That team is so depressing.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
WWWWOOOOOWWWWWW
That’s remarkable. How’s that even possible? A professional organization’s first basemen have fewer HR’s than Skip Schumaker. Pathetic.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Jul 1, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Garrett Atkins was their primary first baseman
He posted an outstanding .214/.276/.286 line before they cut him loose a few days ago.
so expect to see him in a cards uni soon?
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
Royals
They like depth at first base and think he needs a change of scenery.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Jul 1, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Well that would make sense
I remember last year when the Cards were starting this guy at third:
shudders
Let me go vomit for a minute….
….
Anyway I talked myself into thinking the Cardinals should take a look at Garrett Atkins. Then I remembered he was Garrett Atkins and he had tumbeld into the depths of baseball hell and was not a good player anymore and then I bashed my head into a table b/c Joe Thurston was our third baseman and had been so bad that I thought Atkins may be a good choice…
Yeesh.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Jul 1, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Joe Thurston wasn't that fucking bad
He was forced, due to injury, to play out of position and IN the starting lineup. He’s LOADS better than Miles. He walked in 10.7% of his PAs!
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Well, he was pretty bad
He had a .286 wOBA, which is pretty poor. Yes, of course, he never should have been a semi-regular third baseman and only did so because of injuries to several players. I have no doubt he was trying as hard as he could to do a good job. But he was still pretty terrible and really shouldn’t have been playing.
He’s LOADS better than Miles.
We should make this a stat. WAAM. Wins Above Aaron Miles. It even sounds good!
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by redbirdnation8206 on Jul 1, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Albert Pujols already broke that stat.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
Values of infinity screw up the calculations
You can’t make a case for anyone else being significantly better than Miles when Pujols is infinitely more better.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
here's a profile piece in all its Albert-ness
it’s very Albert-y. just ridiculous. like if Albert needed propaganda, that would be it.
http://www.americanwaymag.com/albert-pujols-player-baseball-michael-noble
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
By Goold, no less.
I'm out of champagna. How about some 7-Up and Mad Dog 20/20?
by The Continental on Jul 1, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
I should've guessed.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
off the field?.... ummmm
As Major League Baseball emerges from its steroids era, Albert Pujols talks softly and carries a big stick — on and off the field.
Rasmus can hit lefties
cardinalred
St. Louis Sports blog
Cos if he did steroids, he wouldn't have a big...errr...stick.
I’m pretty sure in big situations, they’d walk him [Pujols] to get to Babe Ruth.-- Matt Holliday
i applaud goold then for making a bit about how pujols doesn't take steroids
he could have said it differently though
Rasmus can hit lefties
cardinalred
St. Louis Sports blog
This is awesome...
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=5340368
…and should be recognized as such!
And the song is mooovelous!
;=8)
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
What kills me
is the notion that he’s even in contention for the HOF if he gets to 300 wins (even though that’s unlikely to happen).
I fully expect to see Bert Blyleven sign a one year deal with the Pirates if Jamie Moyer gets in soley because he has 300 wins.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
It would be fairly ridiculous to see Moyer get into the Hall
Not only does he have just a 4.45 FIP and 4.42 ERA all time, but the only other reason he would get in is just like you said, his 300 wins, and perhaps because he is an interesting case in longevity if anything else.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
Longevity at a Major League level has to have some value
not every pitcher pitches for 67 years, so that separates him somewhat
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
He averaged 4 war for 7 years...
and is now a 2 war pitcher year in and year out. That’s pretty amazing, considering just about every pitcher in history has tried to do what he’s doing and failed.
Fire La Russa!
...And he basically was washed up after his first 6 years
I wouldn’t think players like Moyer regularly re-emerge (after a year in AAA) have 18 more years of a MLB career.
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.
So?
It’s just not impressive to me that he’s been able to maintain a level of mediocre to bad for the past 7 years. If you can find 50-60 pitchers in any given year who were better, that’s not impressive.
Not afraid to nitpick
Show me where you're getting this.
From what I can see, he’s only been worth better than 4 WAR three times in his entire career.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
He's also only been worth 2 WAR twice in the last 7 seasons.
So, no, it’s not that impressive. Impressive in that he gets out of bed every morning and can still throw a baseball, but Satchell Paige and Nolan Ryan were still dealing at his age (and beating the shit out of Robin Ventura, I might add) — he’s just barely getting by.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
My favorite baseball clip of all time.
OF ALL TIME!
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
The only think remarkable about him is his age.
And Julio Franco isn’t HOF worthy either.
I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons
His strikeout totals?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jul 1, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait,
Satchel Paige beat up Robin Ventura? Is that in OOTP or something? Awesome.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jul 1, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok...
3.8 war over 7 seasons and around 1.5 war since his peak…
How is this not impressive? He’s not just hanging around costing his team a roster spot. He’s a legit mid-rotation starter delivering value at age 47. No one else has EVER been able to do this.
Fire La Russa!
...couldn't be worse than Soup?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Somebody did back in '92.
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.
He's not even in the Hall of Very Good
He’s in the Hall of Pretty Good for a long ass time. If you can find 60 pitchers in any given year that are better than a guy, it’s not bolstering a HOF case.
Not afraid to nitpick
60 pitchers?
The guy has had 3 >5 war seasons and 8 > 3 war seasons. He was the ace of a team that won 116 games.
I don’t know about HOF, but he was a great pitcher in his prime and he’s setting the record for longevity. There’s a case to be made.
Fire La Russa!
No it's not
Mark Buehrle has seven >4 WAR seasons and three >5. I don’t think anyone will be talking about Mark Buehrle the HOFer unless he keeps posting >4 seasons for about 5 more years.
The fact that he’s stuck around for a whole bunch of years where there are 60 better pitchers every year adds nothing to his HOF case to me. No one cares about mediocrity. Good for him that he’s managed to make 82M doing so, but that doesn’t make him historically significant other than as a trivia question.
Not afraid to nitpick
The definition of mediocre is average...
and I would argue there’s a lot of value to being an average starting pitcher in baseball. God knows we could use two such mediocre pitchers right now.
Maybe that’s not particularly valuable in any one season, but to do it in a way that is totally unique in the history of the game, on top of an excellent (but not HOF worthy) peak, is potentially enough.
The fastest marathon in the age 70+ category is under 3 hours. It’s perfectly reasonable to marvel and celebrate that mark, even though it’s only good for 800th place overall at the Boston marathon.
Fire La Russa!
But are we putting that 70+ marathon runner
in the marathon running Hall of Fame? That’s the question. It’s not a representation of value, it’s a measure of how great a player was over the course of his career, and I don’t think anyone can make a legit case that Jamie Moyer was ever one of the game’s “great” pitchers during his career. He never finished higher than 5th in the Cy Young voting in any year, so that has to tell you something.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Again so what
We aren’t in the 70+ category, we’re in Major League Baseball. It’s cool that he’s done it, but it does nothing for his greatness as a pitcher.
Not afraid to nitpick
FS: I think he finished 4th, 5th, and 6th...
in the CY.
But anyway, what if he was league average until age 65? Still no HOF?
Fire La Russa!
Call me when that happens
and we’ll talk. That would be an unprecedented career length. As it is, there are plenty of players with 24 year careers that aren’t HOF worthy.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
NCAYFT. . .
but, yes, in a moment of weakness this season, I listed Jamie Moyer on my weekly transactions. I didn’t get him, FWIW.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jul 1, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Hell yes dude...
You realize this guy was finishing in the top 5 in CY voting back when Garrett Stephenson was pitching us out of a pennant race? I wish we had him right now.
Fire La Russa!
So what?
That doesn’t make him a HOF player, it makes him a nice story and an interesting anecdote. That’s all. Had he been an elite pitcher at one time, I could see it, but he never was, and he’s been utterly replacement level for probably half of his career. Name another HOF player who was less than a half win better than REPLACEMENT LEVEL in 10 different seasons during his career?
In 24 seasons he hasn’t even accumulated 50 WAR. How is that HOF quality?
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Dude, do you even WATCH baseball? Or do you just count your WARs on a spreadsheet in your mother's basement?
Moyer’s done all the little things well in his 20 years. He’s a grinder and he keeps you in the game. That’s hall of fame worthy in my book
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Dude, do you even WATCH baseball? Or do you just count your WARs on a spreadsheet in your mother's basement?
Miles done all the little things well in his 8 years. He’s a grinder and he keeps you in the game. That’s hall of fame worthy in my book
by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 1, 2010 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions
i don't think moyer is a hof'er
but there is a non-ridiculous case to be made for him, perhaps by comparing him to position players (rather than pitchers) whose cases have benefited from longevity more than peak. anyway, i’d at least be willing to listen to the argument.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Not sure he's HOF worthy either...
but he had a peak that touched “elite” status – 5+ war is elite. He did that three times, with nice seasons on either side of the peak.
Obviously, that’s not enough to be HOF worthy, but then you add this wild card of extreme longevity – and not just “hanging around” longevity but perhaps being league average as a 50 year old… I could easily see making a case for him.
My main point is that the argument that he’s a replacement level guy who hung around for a long time and nothing more just doesn’t comport with the facts.
Fire La Russa!
Really?
Do I need to run down all the pitchers who’ve had two 5+ WAR years in their careers? I bet very few of them also have 5 below replacement level years in their career as well, and those that do certainly aren’t getting a HOF vote. Like Kevin Appier , or Orel Hershiser, or Dennis Martinez. All those guys are more HOF worthy than Moyer, and not one of them will sniff the HOF.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Nolan Ryan disagrees. . .
I keed, I keed.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jul 1, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
But in all seriousness. . .
Jack Morris disagrees.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jul 1, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude only has 7 No-Hitters and is all time leader in strikeouts
Not exactly a good comp to Moyer
by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 1, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Just to understand his dominance at times
Ryan threw two no-hitters in 1973. In the second one, on July 15 against the Detroit Tigers, he struck out 17 batters – most in a recorded no-hitter. Ryan was so dominant in this game, it led to one of baseball’s best-remembered pranks. Tiger first baseman Norm Cash came to the plate with two outs in the bottom of the ninth, having already struck out three times, and was carrying a clubhouse table leg instead of a bat. Plate umpire Ron Luciano ordered Cash to go back and get a regulation bat, to which Cash replied, “Why, I won’t hit him anyway!”3 With a regulation bat in hand, Cash did finally make contact, but popped out to end the game.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 1, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Which is why I followed up the title with. . .
“I keed, I keed”
It was merely a reference to actual arguments that were oft made against Mr. Ryan.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jul 1, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah
what he said
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
So Julio Franco should be in too?
He played until he was 48 years old, and only played every 3rd or 4th day for quite a while. He was worth 4 WAR more times that Moyer has been.
How many more players are we going to induct based on how long they played? What about Charlie Hough? He played 25 seasons and had more 4 WAR years than Moyer does, and was actually a better pitcher by ERA+ in his last 4 seasons than Jamie Moyer has been. Or Jesse Orosco, who had a 24 year career and finished higher in the Cy Young voting (3rd) than Moyer ever has, not to mention basically inventing the lefty bullpen specialist. Perhaps we should induct him for “pioneering a new facet of the game” or something.
Unprecedented longevity of mediocrity is not a HOF talent. In my mind, you have to at least be an elite player at your position for a 3-5 year portion of your career to merit induction. Moyer has never been one of the 10 or 12 best pitchers in the league in any given year of his career. That’s pretty damning for a HOF case, imo.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
If we only had someone on the team
Who had, say, four pitches. Had shown in spring training that he could start. Maybe is now redundant with Salas up. If we only had that kind of pitcher in the bullpen. We would be able to move this mystery player into the rotation and would only have to worry about filling in some generic innings in relief. Really sucks that we don’t have that type of pitcher.
I know
To bad Rich Hill just signed with the Red Sox
by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 1, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Posnanski on Gibby
Apologies if this has already been posted, but another great piece by Pos on Gibson.
I love the stories about Dusty Baker.
Virtually the whole piece is quotable.
It’s excellent.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Thanks,
I wish there were more Joe Po’s out there.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
So, since the whole world sucks and I hate it,
how about a psychedelic cartoon about a jail that doesn’t seem to serve an actual purpose?
Superjail! episodes stream free online: http://www.adultswim.com/shows/superjail/video.html
I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons
The most recent Boondocks episode
They go to Prison to get ‘Scared Straight’. It mostly is about Tom dealing with his fears about getting anally raped in prison.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 1, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Boondocks is very hit-or-miss IMO.
The Fund-Raiser was good, and I didn’t see the scared straight ep.
I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons
That is definitely not the most recent Boondocks episode.
That’s called A Date With the Health Inspector. TV.com claims it aired first December 4, 2005. This season’s been about dick riding Obama and such.
I’m pretty sure in big situations, they’d walk him [Pujols] to get to Babe Ruth.-- Matt Holliday
Not a phrase I'd ever expect to read
“Dick riding Obama and such.”
My goal? To work this into every day conversations. What did you do this weekend? Oh, watched a lot of Fox News and its correspondents dick riding Obama and such.
by Michael_68_1999 on Jul 1, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
haha.
<a href="http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBYQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D08S4poMGvwA&ei=RsQsTO2wO6btnQetvuX0Ag&usg=AFQjCNGX850SFpr8usUjGQJhaL4-3_CQww" target="new">There’s actually a song about this that the Boondocks did for promotional purposes.
I’m pretty sure in big situations, they’d walk him [Pujols] to get to Babe Ruth.-- Matt Holliday
I know its not likely but I would love Dan Haren coming back. Granted it would
make the entire transaction as a whole very expensive…Buy High on Mulder, giving a cheap Haren away and then Buying High on Haren giving a cheap shelby Miller away. Not quite the same if it is since Miller is unproven prospect..he could wash out just as easily as not.
heh
*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 1, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
breakdancin stav
*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 1, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I kinda like it as a tetraptych.
Yeah, I looked that up.
I'm out of champagna. How about some 7-Up and Mad Dog 20/20?
by The Continental on Jul 1, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
RFL catches that standing up?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jul 1, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
with one arm tied behind his back
*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 1, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
And Jay catches it hopping on one leg...
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
haha
yup
*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 1, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Seems like Lee is preferable to Haren...
We can’t handle another high priced starter… Lee and draft picks seem preferable to Haren and a high price tag, assuming the cost in prospects is the same for both.
Fire La Russa!
What if Lee costs you Shelby Miller and Haren doesn't?
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 1, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
No way Haren doesn't cost Shelby.
I’m pretty sure in big situations, they’d walk him [Pujols] to get to Babe Ruth.-- Matt Holliday
Don't be too sure.
The salary flexibility that unloading Haren would give the Diamondbacks could keep Miller out of the deal.
Something like two of the following: Craig, Greene, Jay
AND
A solid pitching prospect like Salas or Lynn.
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 1, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, see, I think this unrealistic.
I’m pretty sure in big situations, they’d walk him [Pujols] to get to Babe Ruth.-- Matt Holliday
I seriously doubt it. There are teams with better systems that can offer a better package than that
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
...Why wouldn't they? And we would?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
You're assuming that teams with higher rated prospects
are just as interested in Haren as the Cardinals are.
I’m merely suggesting that there is a possibility that amongst the teams that are interested in Haren, the Cardinals could offer the best package and not include Miller.
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 1, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Basically every team has a better farm system than us
If the price on Haren dropped low enough that Craig, Greene, Jay, and Lynn would do it, than any reasonable team would offer 4 slightly better players. You think the Yanks or the Sox can’t do that?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
I'm pretty sure the Yankees and Red Sox
could match or exceed any offer for any player, financially and otherwise, anytime, anywhere.
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 1, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Um, no.
Their farm systems aren’t among the top of the league, meaning they could not match an offer that included more talented minor leaguers.
I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons
They are both ranked in the top half of the league.
- and #15.
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 1, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
By top, I think he means top 5
And there are a couple of those top 5 teams (the Rangers in particular) that are in a position to acquire a starter of Haren’s ilk and are also in need of a pitcher like that.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
I agree.
But, aside from the Rangers, do you see any of the other teams in the top 10 being serious players for either Lee or Haren?
Rays, A’s, Braves, Indians, Orioles, Marlins, Giants, Brewers, Rockies?
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 1, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
you only need one or I suppose for both two.
why not atlanta?
Rockies, for sure
That team has a solid foundation a lot of good young talent. The prospects mentioned above wouldn’t even crack their top 20. Probably not dealing Haren inside the division though.
The Braves might be players, depending on how bad the news is for Jurrjens, and the Marlins are still in the thick of things and could use one more starter. They’ll also be entering a new ballpark soon and would appear to be getting into win now mode. The last two times they did that they won the World Series.
The market for Lee is totally different. I could see just about anyone in the thick of pennant or wild care race making a play for him as the cost is bound to be lower than that for Haren and he’ll be worth a draft pick or two at the end of the year when he signs with his new team next offseason.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
then the d'backs would just keep haren
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I think this would not be enough to get Haren.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Even along with not having to pay the guy $25 million plus incentives
over the next 2 years?
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 1, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Closer to $30 million actually, after 2010.
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 1, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Giving a team salary relief implies that the player you are taking isn't worth the money.
Dan Haren could easily be worth more than $50M over that time period.
I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons
Why, exactly, do the D-Backs need salary relief by giving up their best pitcher?
- They have their best position player tied up in a long term deal that isn’t expensive until Haren is off the payroll (Upton).
- They drop Webb and Willis off of their payroll after the season and they are currently the two most expensive players after Dan Haren
- With arbitration increases AND Haren’s salary, they currently will be under $50M next year and could easily be under $60M after filling out their roster.
- They only have four other players scheduled to make more than $7M per season through the end of Haren’s deal, assuming his option is picked up: Edwin Jackson in ’11, Chris Young in ’12 and ’13, Mark Reynolds in ’12, and Justin Upton in ’13. In other words, they are not buried in a payroll mess.
They absolutely do not need to trade him. Haren does not become a 10/5 player until the option year, so he can be traded at any time, and he’s more than likely to be worth his contract and more during the next 3+ seasons. There’s simply no reason to deal him unless you get a load of prospects in return, something the Cardinals probably can’t provide.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
by fourstick on Jul 1, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I read that the Diamondbacks weren't too keen on
carrying the salaries of both Haren and Jackson.
I know the financial information isn’t alarming, from the outsider’s perspective, but who knows what the D’Backs FO is thinking.
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 1, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree
I think they will only move him in a deal which significantly restocks them. I can’t imagine they need to move him as much as they would move him if they can get significant value. I would think they look at it as Haren is a valuable asset that they could move but don’t have to move.
Great breakdown.
The D-Backs are not desperate to dump salary and don’t absolutely need to trade Haren away this season. They can be patient. If they don’t get an offer to their liking, he can keep pitching for them.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jul 1, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
This deserves a rec
And should be referenced every time someone posts a pie-in-the-sky about us getting Haren for anything less than a blue chip prospect and then some.
I'm pretty sure they are paying the minimum for Willis
Detroit DFAed him. Which just makes the point better, but still….the sig.
Not afraid to nitpick
Ahhhhhh
You’re right — Cots has them picking up all of it and then footnotes that Detroit is actually paying the salary. FWIW, what they owe to other players this season makes up about half the difference I think.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Nope
It’s an ego thing as well. If you’re giving up your staff ace, you kinda have to ask for the other team’s best prospect in return. I know decisions should be based on stuff like that, but they certainly are.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
I read something along the lines of Haren
not being viewed as an “ace” anymore by the majority of teams.
He’s the best pitcher on the D’Backs, no doubt, but I don’t know that I would put him in the top 10 in the NL, this year.
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 1, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
If you are the GM of the D-backs (Josh Byrnes)
(Say what you want about his performance this year, his peripherals are good, like his 3.9 FIP). And you accept a package of that magnitude for an ace pitcher on your staff, and you are already sort of on the hot seat, the fans will ultimately go against you. You don’t see D-backs fans clamoring to get him traded right?
I mean, I certainly wish Haren was available, but we simply cannot afford it, prospect-wise and money-wise, no matter hot big Dewallet is.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
Well, I bet if you factor in his hitting
His value is easily in the top ten this year. Going forward, he’s still a top ten starter. He will cost Shelby, no doubt in my mind.
babip giveth... and babip taketh away
by purple_haze on Jul 1, 2010 3:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Track record means a lot dude.
Carlos Silva is pitching like a top 10 pitching in the NL this year, but he’s not going to command top talent if someone wanted to trade for him, because he’s pretty much sucked the last 2 years prior to this.
On the flipside, Johan Santana is having a down year by his standards, but would still command a trade on the magnitude of a staff ace if he were to be traded by the Mets, who are no longer run by Steve Phillips and don’t give away top prospects for one year wonders anymore.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Generally, I agree with your point
But Johan’s seen a pretty significant decrease in the quality of his stuff, IIRC. He very well might be seeing a real decline, and in that case, if a team is trading for him on the merits of what he’ll do going forward, they’ll pay less than what he’s worth if you go by track record
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
I actually wonder if the Mets knew their prospects
would bomb, and dealt them for Santana anyway as they had no future.
Then again, that would imply the Mets are intelligent, which is simply never, ever, the case.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
Who's Craig?
For the record I do know Allen Craig is a player in the Cards org.
VivaElBirdos: Celebrating glorious mustaches since 2009
by redbirdnation8206 on Jul 1, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Then obviously Haren would be better...
but I agree with IR below. Both would cost Miller, especially considering our system. If you didn’t include Miller, what possible group of players would the D-Backs accept?
Fire La Russa!
Miles and Stavinoha, plus Anderson!
Let the overvaluing of our farm system begin anew!
I’m pretty sure in big situations, they’d walk him [Pujols] to get to Babe Ruth.-- Matt Holliday
Mentioned above...
Two of the following: Craig, Greene, Jay
Plus a solid pitching prospect like Salas or Lynn.
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 1, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
His contract is 2.5 years for $34 million or 3.5 years for $45 million...
Either way about $13-14 million average annual. Assuming he’s not going to be a 6 win+ pitcher (assume 4.5 wins) that’s worth about $18 million. He’s 30 years old, never been injured, and his contract doesn’t include a NTC.
If he goes on the market someone will offer a top prospect. I can’t believe that wouldn’t happen. Scott Kazimir had 2.2 years and $24 million coming to him when he was traded. He had arm issues, performance issues (he was bad in 2009 and so-so in 2008) and he netted a package of players that was better than what you are proposing. Haren is a true ace – a five win pitcher who can be a 6-7 pitcher no problem.
And why would the D-Backs bother to trade him if they didn’t get a top prospect? It would only be to dump salary, and it’s not clear they’re that desperate.
Fire La Russa!
God....what I would do for Sean Rodriguez on this team...
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
I don't think Cliff Lee will necessarily cost Shelby Miller
None of the trades for him thus far have had a the upside of Miller thus far. I don’t think it’s crazy to suggest something like three of Sanchez/Craig/Jay/Lynn/Greene for a couple months of Cliff Lee.
babip giveth... and babip taketh away
by purple_haze on Jul 1, 2010 3:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i would too probably
but with the likelihood that the yankees will sign lee in the offseason the picks will be very late in the top 50. when you are that far down the draft those picks start to be big risks. Sanchez is somewhat proven in the upper minors, the other four would probably be B- maybe C+ prospects. I would say that taking 4 of them and being able to use their cost control flexibility and quantity of them, not to mention their proximity to the majors is not a terrible haul. While there is no top prospect in that group you would probably not do much better with those two picks, especially without spending on a low-signability type player . You can reasonably expect all of them with maybe the exception of Jay to be able to play for the M’s next year if they free up the roster spots. While I would in no way make this trade if I were the diamondbacks, but the M’s might not do much better unless the mets or rangers are willing to give up a ton. The rangers would have to especially give up a lot since they would presumably have to overpay to get the salary relief to take him on. I do not see the reds getting involved with lee, but they would probably be best suited to do so with alonso being expendable if they want to keep votto, but I just do not see them making this move in the long run. They could also trade off some of wilson or maybe lopez with greene able to step in.
thats crazy talk
Haren discussions will start and end with shelby miller
If you don’t think so, you are either severely underestimating how valuable haren is to the D-backs, or you are seriously overestimating how dumb Arizona’s front office is
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
That guy we gave a lot of money in the offseason to protect albert is dead to me...DEAD TO ME
Totally OT here - DSLR Cameras
I know there are some read photogs here at VEB, so I would appreciate some help with a camera purchase.
My wife and I are looking at purchasing a DSLR, and have set our budget between $800 and $1100. We don’t need to spend that much and would gladly spend less than that, but that’s the max amount we’re looking to spend on a camera plus lense(s).
I’ve done a ton of research the last couple of months and everything keeps steering me back towards these two cameras: The Canon EOS Rebel 550D and the Nikon D90. Side by side and lens wise, the Canon looks like the better buy even though it is a little more expensive, but I’ve found some various good deals on used D90’s (since that model has been out for a while) that come with multiple lenses (telephoto, wide angle, and, my favorite, the super zoom which would come in really handy at ball games I would think). Just looking for any opinions on these two cameras or some other cameras that I may be overlooking.
I few constraints:
- My wife wants it to be able to shoot at least 720p video, which is a big plus in the Canon’s column because it can shoot over twice as long and in 1080p. Not a feature I care much about, but since we’re buying this in lieu of a camcorder, it’s something my wife really wants to have.
- Has to use SD, SDHC, or SDXC memory formats. I don’t see this being an issue, but I ain’t messing around with f***ing Memory Stick.
- Must have an optical view finder. I’ve had enough of dealing with LCD viewfinders outdoors when it’s bright.
- Sensor must be at least 3:2. I really don’t want to go any lower than that, from what I’ve read, although input on this subject is welcomed.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
I would go up to Creve Couer camera's
To at least hold them in your hands before you make a purchase. Even if you don’t buy it from them (I wouldn’t since it will be cheaper online) it will be smart to see it in person first.
Check Slickdeals.net regularly to find the best deal once you decide
ie saw a deal for the
by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 1, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I watch Slickdeals every day
as well as a couple other sites via Feed Sifter looking for deals on these two specific cameras.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
I would go with Canon
I just like the overall look of their photos the best, and I’ve heard nothing but good things about the Rebel
*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 1, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
i have the T2i (550D)
I LOVE IT! i waited for three years to buy a dslr, doing research every month to see what came out and i jumped on the t2i. i’m glad i did. operation is smooth, fast, and an overall joy. i shoot between 800 and 1400 pictures a game in the sports burst and i drool over how great most of the pictures are every time
i bought it from bestbuy even though i rarely buy retail but i brought in a printout and they matched it no questions asked. knocked off $250 and i pretty much got a second lens for free. also bought with it – 2 uv filters to protect the lenses, extra battery, 2 fast SD cards 8 gig each and a bag. altogether i ended at $1250. bestbuy also has 0% for 12 months credit cards
to address your bullets:
-the hd video is awesome, you can take snapshots during filming but that disturbs the film. just grab pictures from it later. even though that’s the same with every hd camera, it hits your memory card hard! so keep that in mind. film comes out as .mov and a program to do some minor edits comes with it, but converting to something else is a bitch if you want to do it for free
-love the fact that it doesn’t have a proprietary memory card and you can use anything. buy the fast cards though!
-the optical viewfinder is comfortable, padded well and fits perfectly. camera also has a very comfortable grip to it
-i think the sensor is 3:2 but look that up just in case, i discussed those with my uncle who is a pro photographer (i am far from it) and he has something about it that sounded good so i didn’t pay too much attention
all that being said, the regular 18-55 lens is not very good. consider buying just the body. i bought an extra 55-250 IS and i like it a lot. i want a better telephoto image stabilized lens but they are expensive. i’m thinking of buying used. canon has so many and they all fit the T2i so i’ll find something to fit my budget if i looked. also, never buy lenses that are not IS – you’ll struggle to get pics in focus! battery life is excellent, i have yet to run out of battery on one of my binge shootings
my only issue with the T2i is the shorter shutter life (50,000 shots). at the rate new DSLRs are coming out though, in 3 years, i’ll sell it and get a new one instead of replacing the shutter
for a consumer DSLR, at this price, it’s a steal, it was sold out many places for the first several weeks after release. picture quality is good to great but that might be just because of my lack of skills and no time to read the whole manual. i’m sure you can do way better than i have with this camera and a good lens
Thanks for the info, that's what I was looking for
Oh, and the 550D has a 3:2 sensor in case you were wondering.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
my buddy is telling me he's heard cliff lee has been traded, but they arent saying where yet
anyone heard this? its not on mlbtraderumors even
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
Cliff Lee traded to cleveland for LeBron in sign-and-trade move
I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons
heh
here’s what my buddy was saying…nothing conclusive
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
if they open DeWallet
in order to keep Albert and pay Lee or Haren, I don’t think I would be too offended if they traded him. The championship window is open now and at this point I think I would rather have a top pro than a top prospect.
I also have very little in savings and just recently opened a 401(k)…
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
as a Bulls fan
I am not allowing myself to get excited about Lebron. I think a Joe Johnson – Bosh/Boozer/Lee combo combined with Rose, Deng, & Noah would also be solid. Lebron to Chicago makes entirely too much sense for it to actually happen
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
fellow bulls fan here
lebron to chi does make too much sense to happen, but maybe he’ll actually pick the logical winner ;)
Joe Johnson would be crazy to turn down ATL’s money, though they’re just as crazy for giving it. I want no part of Boozer—his contract will look like Elton Brand’s in 2 years
Becasue of the Cubs I can't like much about Chicago (joking of course)
…but really I love St. Louis too much..I mean if we had a Pro Football team, I’d follow them… There was one once I know..but I think they cancelled it.
growing up in central IL
i went with chi for everything but baseball. 5 yr old me did pretty well with that choice, though the Bears are constantly pissing me off. of course with the football cards moving to phoenix, i didn’t have a choice
You're probably right about Boozer
How much is a better chance at a championship and extra endorsement deals worth?
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
hopefully those are worth everything to Lebron
but no one knows. For a guy who clearly loves the attention, he’s not said a damn thing about this. All these leakes and “sources close to the situation” mean nothing. Lebron will make the choice, and no one really knows what’s going on in his head. Personally, I think it comes down to Chi or Cle for all the reasons everyone mentions. Thing is no one really knows which reason trump the others
but there's only one rookie Reds pitcher...
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
LeBron + Dirk + Chicago would be my favorite result out of this
Of all the free agent combos, I think only LeBron + Dirk would actually result in something more than the two parts. Wade and LeBron both need the ball and do similar things, needing to feed a frontcourt game like with Bosh is exactly what you need to not do when you have LeBron—-but a 4 who would easily shoot >40% from 3 with those open looks and can when needed create his own shots at the end of games couldn’t possibly be a better fit for LeBron’s game, LBJ could very easily average 27-10(!).
You tell LeBron to stop taking stupid contested 3s and voila, it’s either collapse and get killed by Dirk or don’t collapse and really get killed by LeBron.
Not afraid to nitpick
If you're LeBron and you're going to Chicago
You need Bosh more than you need Nowitzki because he’s a back to the basket scorer who can hit jump shots and is actually better when he’s not the focal point of an offense (whereas Dirk is better when everything is running through him) because that allows him to crash the offensive glass and get garbage buckets.
The dream Chicago scenario would be landing LeBron + Bosh, signing Redick to their mid-level exception, and starting the year with Rose-Redick-Lebron-Bosh-Noah and having Deng off the bench as the 6th man where he can be a gunner — which kinda fits his style. That team would immediately be the best defensive team in the East with Thibodeau as their coach, surpassing Orlando. Offensively, it would be interesting to see how Rose and James coexist, because LeBron is used to handling the ball more and would have to take more of a secondary ball handler role with Rose in the mix. Although, the alley-oop highlight reel off of Noah backscreens on LeBron’s defender would be long a fun to watch.
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I wonder what Orlando would do if they witnessed your dream scenario.
They having been trying to pursue Chris Paul by dealing Jameer Nelson and expiring contracts. If Chicago has their wishes granted, you would think Orlando might be a bit more inclined to go after Paul and compete with that team.
They have also been trying to do a Sign and Trade for Carlos Boozer from what I hear for Brandon Bass and Marcin Gortat.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
I don't see any reason why Utah would do that deal
They’d be better off without Bass and Gortat’s cap hits and just losing Boozer for nothing, tbh.
Honestly, I’m not sure Orlando has the flexibility to do anything unless another team is just plain dumb, like the Grizz were when they dumped Gasol to the Lakers a few years ago. If they’re trying to upgrade, Dirk is the player that makes the most sense as he would take the pressure off of Dwight Howard to score, allows Lewis to be the spot shooter that he is, and you could surround him with shooters if they bring back Redick. The problem is Vince Carter, plain and simple. They made a gamble on Carter and missed, and now they’re going to be dealing with it for another year.
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Dumb would equal
Dallas sign and trading Dirk for Vince Carter and Brandon Bass or something on that level. And Cuban isn’t that stupid.
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Do not discount the David Stern factor
He would desperately want Chris Paul to be feeding Dwight Howard a record shattering number of alley oops for the next 10 years.
Not afraid to nitpick
The Blazers were apparently REALLY close to getting Paul
for a package of Andre Miller, Joel Pryzbilla, Jerryd Bayless, and Nicholas Batum, and the #22 pick, which is basically 2 expiring contracts and 2 youngsters with high potential (Batum is considered the next Scotty Pippen by some, and Bayless could be a quality combo guard).
New Orleans would have rioted had that happened, and Portland would instantly become my favorite for the NBA title, expecially fi Oden becomes a fraction of what he could have been.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
That deal only works if they take another contract though
That would be a really good package of players for New Orleans. Honestly, though, the Blazers would have to take Peja or Okafor for New Orleans to consider pulling the trigger. Trading those guys with Paul is the only way to get them off the books, and the Blazers could buy either of them out with all of Paul Allen’s money and take the cap hit right away.
FWIW, I like this lineup:
Paul – Roy – Aldridge – Camby – Oden
Aldridge is the perfect Pick and Roll player for CP3, and Roy is a good offside guard who moves well without the ball.
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the worry there is that camby (if he isn't done now) will inevitably suffer an injury leading him to miss a third of the season
I don't give a fuck who you confuse me with.
You mean Oden?
Oden is the biggest worry of this entire equation. If he plays like he did this season when healthy. That team is SCARY good. I would put that team ahead of the Lakers in fact.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
i was taking it for granted that everyone realizes oden is the no.1 risk
excellent while healthy, always unhealthy. but there’s the same thing with camby – usually about sixty games per season, very injury prone (and very old). just thought i’d point that out.
I don't give a fuck who you confuse me with.
I think they would have taken perhaps James Posey
Since losing Batum would leave them with only Luke Babbitt to start since they dealt Martell Webster. Worst case, they take Peja like you said.
Actually, Aldridge is the perfect frontcourt guy to Oden. He spaces the floor out and is a pretty good shooter, while Oden lives in the paint. Although, Aldridge defending the opposing 3 of the other team would be a nightmare.
The lineup would be something like this
Paul
Roy
MLE Player (Mike Miller I really like here) or Luke Babbitt
Aldridge
Oden
With Camby playing the bench minutes for the 4 and the 5.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
that's a good five as well, and Camby coming off the bench is excellent.
And Mike Miller is going to be another interesting MLE guy this month along with Redick and Ray Allen.
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do they still have outlaw or was he already dealt?
and i really like batum.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Yeah, I doubt Orlando get's their wish in regards to Boozer
but I think that Carter would be a really good chip for a team going for Carmelo. The Washington Wizards would probably be interested, and that’s probably why they acquired Kirk Hinrich (Otherwise, I see no goddamn reason to acquire Hinrich). You are right in that they took a gamble and missed. If they were really desperate, I believe Gilbert Arenas is available…….. :)
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
That would be like trading
Vince Carter for injured-demonic Vince Carter, and Arenas doesn’t fit because you couldn’t play both him and Nelson at the same time. Gilbert isn’t big enough to guard NBA SG’s.
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Oh, Gilbert Arenas was a joke.
Nobody in their right mind would want that contract and personality in their locker room. Poor John Wall…..
Ehhh, I like Carmelo Anthony a bit more than you do it seems. The dude has SO many offensive options that’s it’s sickening to imagine what he could do if he fully develops his repertoire (Like developing his left hand and not settling for jump shots as much). Defensively, he isn’t that much of a liability as he used to be (or like Vince Carter is currently).
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
I like Carmelo
I’m just not sure if he’s got the mean streak to lift his game to the next level when it matters. He’s not proven he can do that in big games in the playoffs — when Billups stunk it up the past two years that team went down in flames.
Great talent, I just don’t think he’s got the fire in his belly to make it happen.
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See I think that's exactly what he doesn't need
He needs people who aren’t in the lane. The Celtics and Magic can still pull the “pack it in” defense with Perkins/KG or the Magic and make LeBron take jumpers he doesn’t consistently hit and eventually JJ Redick becomes the tipping point. Obviously it’s not that simple, but I see a path to beat that team.
But can you imagine if you have to pull KG out near the 3 point line? That game doesn’t even need to be played.
Not afraid to nitpick
My dream Knicks scenario is the best possible thing for him from an offensive standpoint.
Basically putting LeBron at the PG with a smaller SG that can guard opposing PG’s (Redick) and then surrounding him with shooters (Redick, Gallinari, Nowitzki, and Lee). That team’s only shot is to outscore you though, and a team like the Lakers is going to destroy them in the post — but if you hit 9-10 threes a game and shoot 50%, you’re a lock for the playoffs, and everyone has to adjust to your style while trying to keep LeBron out of the lane on offense.
The Bulls team is problematic because Rose can’t shoot, Noah can’t shoot, they don’t have a SG that can shoot either, they just traded their BEST shooter to make cap space, so putting LeBron out there with Dirk is very similar to putting him out there with Jamison, and that didn’t go very well. On the other hand, the team I mentioned will be awesome defensively, have a SG that can knock down threes consistently, so LeBron/Bosh/Rose would only have to get to 95 points each night to win consistently. I think they’re capable of that.
The other interesting scenario is LeBron pairing with Amare in what would be the leagues most difficult pick-and-roll to cover, since LeBron’s rebounding prowess from the SF position would offset Amare’s biggest Achilles heel.
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I hope you are referring to Salmons and not Kirk
Rose seems to have gotten pretty good at the mid range jumpers. I’m not sure how he and Lebron would mix, but teams would have a hard time keeping both of them out of the lane. Noah is strictly there for rebounds, ugly free throws, and ugly facial expressions while screaming.
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
I was referring to both actually
Both are 38%-40% 3FG shooters in their careers, although Hinrich is clearly the better shooter of the 2 from distance as he averages twice the attempts per game.
The only other guy on the current Chicago roster that shoots better than 30% for his CAREER from distance is Deng, and he averages a whopping ONE 3FG attempt per game in his career.
Not exactly the team you want to go to if you’re a guy who thrives on open floor basketball.
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I really like the Lebron-Stoudamire combo
just for me to watch. It would be horrific on defense (Except for chase-down blocks), but pretty much unstoppable. That’s way too much athleticism in one lineup to stop, and if you defend that, they will probably have perimeter shooters all over for Lebron to pass to.
Offensively, that’s pretty damn scary.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
lestoudemire would be pretty awesome, but i shudder to think of the defense...
I don't give a fuck who you confuse me with.
I thought defense was not allowed in a Dantoni offense anyway
So we are good :D.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
Right
But you can still get Redick with the mid-level if you get Dirk and that takes care of that problem just the same—-and you don’t have Bosh needing to get fed/taking up space down low. With Nowitzki, it’s not as good of a defensive team but I just don’t see how that team can get stopped 4/7 games and I can imagine how it happens to the team with Bosh.
I’m also not sure how much stock I’d put into Jamison’s run given that Mike Brown couldn’t recognize that Shaq killed that team when he was on the floor, I don’t really think Brown used Jamison close to optimal though that might just be the product of being a 1/2 season guy. That and Nowitzki is better at every aspect of the game vs. Jamison.
Not afraid to nitpick
Have you watched Bosh?
He’s not a back to the basket type of guy really. He’s actually better at spacing the floor and facing up, because he’s got a very good first step and a decent 15 foot jumper. He’s the perfect big guy to play with LeBron, really, because his offensive game is so flexible, he’s a rebounding machine, and he doesn’t need to get fed the basketball to score points — he can be a secondary offensive player and thrive.
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Yes I have
And he definitely likes getting the ball in the paint posted up quite a bit too. I’m not saying Bosh isn’t really good, but I think Dirk is a better fit. He’s not going to clash with LeBron/Rose slashing at all.
Not afraid to nitpick
bosh does have a good first step
seems it’s only to the left though, isn’t it?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
He can go right as well, but usually only with a rocker step and towards the baseline
I don’t think he’s a bona-fide alpha dog though, although I suppose you could say the same thing about LeBron after the Boston series this year. I feel like Bosh is a guy that is just better suited to a second banana role.
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Agreed on Johnson
Although he’ll just be stuck there in two years with nobody because they won’t be able to afford Smith or Horford with him getting the max. If he wants to win he’ll tax a less-than-max deal somewhere else.
Boozer is NOT going to be Elton Brand in a few years. Boozer is a much more skilled perimeter player than Brand ever was, can knock down open 15 foot jumpers (Brand can’t), and has adjusted better to his injury issues than Brand did — they also weren’t as severe. He’s undersized like Brand, but he can pull guys off the block and beat them off the dribble or set the pick on the pick and roll, like Karl Malone used to do. Brand can’t do either of those things. FWIW, Boozer should stay in Utah as that is the best place for his particular set of skills and if they sign J.J. Redick with their midlevel, they could be a very dangerous team in the west next year.
I don’t have a clue on LeBron other than financially going to the Knicks makes by FAR the most sense for him, the league, and his endorsement partners.
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Gordon Hayward is such a Utah Jazz player it's ridiculous
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Agreed on Boozer
The guys is much more refined than Brand, and also has a hell of a track record to fall back on, whereas you can’t say that for Brand truthfully.
Lebron is anyone’s guess. I would say that he ends up in Chicago with Bosh if anything. Don’t believe the Miami rumors, as I still don’t think they have the cap space for Wade +2 FA’s yet. They would have to deal Beasley for cents on the dollar to even come close, and even Chalmers as well, which would be ludicrous.
But if I were to be entertained, Lebron to NY would be the best one man show you could find.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
If you're Mike D'Antoni
Don’t you have a LeBron-Redick-Nowitzki-Gallinari-Lee lineup posted on the ceiling above your bed right now?
I mean, that team could score 130 PPG……and give up 120. But it would be really fucking fun to watch!
LeBron would average a triple double easily playing with that lineup for 30-35 minutes a game. Something like 30-11-12 every night could be realistic because they’d be putting up 90-100 shots a game, like D’Antoni’s Phoenix teams used to do. This is what I’m rooting for, honestly
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What's one white starting lineup
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
I know
seriously — it’s Euro basketball with the best possible guy running the show. Imagine if Steve Nash could blow by people and dunk the ball off of someone’s head, while also running pick and rolls nearly as well as he does now and playing excellent on-ball and off-ball defense. Just sickening to think how fun that team would be to watch.
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Oh, I am sure that Dantoni would sell his soul
for Lebron James at this point as well as going for Stoudamire.
That would be the true definition of an NBA game, and Lebron would get the MVP every damn year, no contest. Sorry Kevin Durant. I mean, if Lebron can put up great numbers with the shittiest team possible. Think what he could do with actual shooters and big men!
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
You could swap Nowitzki and Amare in the deal
while also adding another mid-level veteran player (like Ray Allen, or maybe even Paul Pierce if he wanted to take a pay cut and have a shot at more titles). The issue then is rebounding, because your entire front line is undersized, and Amare is the shittiest rebounding big man since Bob McAdoo.
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They could really use David Lee at that point.
I think they have about 38 million or so in cap space, so if they go for 2 max FA’s (Lebron, Stoudamire), then maybe they spend the rest of the money on David Lee rather than Redick or Kyle Korver. Then again, if Darko F. Milicic is getting 20 million, I don’t think David Lee will come cheap.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
I don't think Stoudamire is going to get a max deal
I think if he were going to get a max deal from someone, somebody (like the Knicks or Hawks) would have traded for him at the deadline and dumped a bad expiring deal to do so, knowing that they could then sign him to a max deal along with at least one other player.
I bet that Amare ends up with a deal similar to what Rudy Gay got, actually.
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I don't think so necessarily.
The Suns really want the keep Amare, but they don’t think that he is worth the risk just yet. They are currently trying to put injury clauses or shortening the contract to 4 years. They really like the guy, they just don’t like his health.
I think he stays in Arizona with a 5 year deal or so with close to a a max contract after he realizes nobody will give him a max contract.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
I don't
The Suns are fucking cheap, so unless he signs a non-max deal there, he’s as good as gone.
The only way he gets a max deal is if Cleveland overreacts to LeBron leaving and does something stupid (like giving Rudy Gay a near max deal) or the Knicks make a deal for Chris Paul and need a second banana (which is totally in play if they don’t get LeBron).
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You are correct
But the Suns are, for the purposes of even sniffing a championship, screwed when Steve Nash retires. Without Stoudamire, that team has no punch, and their best big man is Robin Lopez. They need him to stay competitive for the 2-3 that Nash has left to play.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
I think this year was their last shot.
I think they’re going into full rebuilding mode now, and Nash is either going to retire or play out his days trying to catch Stockton (which I don’t think he can do). He’s not leaving Phoenix due to their medical staff, but I think their ownership is going to blow things up rather than give Amare a 5-6 year deal.
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The other really interesting subplot here...
is that the OKC Thunder have enough cap space for ONE max contract, and a young core of players that are all under contract for at least two more seasons, and will have enough coming off the books (basically everyone on the roster save Sefolosha and Weaver who are dirt cheap) to give Durant a Bird-style max deal and sign another max player at that time in addition to a max player signed this year)
By far, the best fit for them would be Chris Bosh because they don’t currently have a post scorer on their squad and he would help them against the other big teams out West (specifically the Lakers) because he could defend Gasol or Odom while forcing other teams to double him in the post, freeing up shots for Durant. If they are serious about winning a title, they should be players in this market, and NOBODY is talking about them.
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Actually they do not.
The draft deal that sent them Cole Aldrich also sent them Peterson from the Hornets, who makes about 6.2 million. They are no longer a player in FA that they could have been. But yeah, Bosh plus Durant would be SCARY. Would have screwed Jeff Green unless Bosh plays the 5, but SCARY.
They are still the unknown team EVEN AFTER taking LA to the series of their life. Unbelievable.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
i was listening to ESPN radio last night
They were talking about how OKC is in a great position since they have so much cap room. They can rebuild by taking on bad contracts + draft picks. That this is the best way to rebuild. Take on bad contracts + draft picks to rebuild quickly
by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 1, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions
why would OKC rebuild?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
From my end, this is untrue
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
so I'm guessing by the sidebar that I should stop voting for Chase Utley?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
of course I do.
guess that explains why I was laughing earlier….
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I'll take the 2 weeks and wait for Penny at no additional cost please
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Jul 1, 2010 1:45 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
agreed
and while the rotation is stretched thin at the moment, the longterm problem is offense. Uggla please
by kalmavet on Jul 1, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He is going to be too expensive for our tastes unfortunately, iny many AND prospects.
Otherwise, I would be with you.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
maybe we are going about this the wrong way.
maybe, instead of trading our “prospects” for stars, we need to trade our “stars” for prospects!
think about it… it just might work.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
Pujols for Strasburg and Harper!
I’m pretty sure in big situations, they’d walk him [Pujols] to get to Babe Ruth.-- Matt Holliday
Let's grab Zimmerman while we are at...
Oh god, why am I speculating on this..
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
Oh I need a towel.
I’m pretty sure in big situations, they’d walk him [Pujols] to get to Babe Ruth.-- Matt Holliday
i love the guys on our team, and i would really hate to see ludwick or carpenter go
but, i think we could probably get some good stuff in return. and it might be worth it in the end.
/ducks to avoid flying suitcase
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
I dont think Strasburg can be defined as a prospect any longer...
id say he is a star.
in money*
Pardon my gibberish the first time.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
With out pitch to contact strategy, a defenseman as poor as Uggla would
be a bad idea imho.
I’m pretty sure in big situations, they’d walk him [Pujols] to get to Babe Ruth.-- Matt Holliday
yeah this is true
but he can’t be that much worse than schu
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 1, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually, UZR/150 has him as a career
-3.5, which is basically a little below average, but not horrible.
Anyway, he would be much better than Schumaker at this point, but that depends on how optimistic you are about Schumaker’s defensive capabilities.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
are the marlins even thinking about trading uggla?
aren’t they still in it?
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 1, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
they're 8.5 back
but i think that’s still “in it” at this point
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
if it was the beginning of the last month I'd be worried
but teams have come back from bigger deficits with only like 2 weeks left
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 1, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
you know looking at the standings, there are very few teams that are out of it right now
there are 4 teams in the NL west within 6 games of 1st
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
Robbie Cano!
The yanks need some salary relief.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
Remember when the Yankees wanted Adam Wainwright for Robinson Cano
Man….if I didn’t like Waino so much, I might think about that trade.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
rec'd for "Hands of Stone" Dan trade
"They're so stunned they didn't even boo!"
John Rooney 5/3/10 referring to Philly fans on Cards 5-run 7th inning
ding ding
we have a winner
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 1, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
lee would interfere with the cow tending, too
just say no to cliff lee
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
exactly
so if this cliff comes he drives off this cow and shelby miller. that’s not a package i’m willing to pay
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
But we still have a replacement level starter...
going every fifth day, even with Penny.
Fire La Russa!
1 is better than 2...
"He’s in his own world out there. He says he doesn’t cuss. I disagree." - Skip Schumaker on Jason Motte
Austin Wilson, please don't be a tease!
you know, no one said
it’s like….
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
How is that baseball news and why is it on MLB.com?
I’m pretty sure in big situations, they’d walk him [Pujols] to get to Babe Ruth.-- Matt Holliday
I think anyone who is related to baseball would be baseball news
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 1, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I disagree; if he's not talking baseball, I don't wanna hear it.
Shut up and play.
I’m pretty sure in big situations, they’d walk him [Pujols] to get to Babe Ruth.-- Matt Holliday
this reminds me of the time sean penn went looking for WMDs.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
not even Sean could find them though
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 1, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I've seen some very tangentally related articles on mlb.com
as long as you are a baseball player or manager, it’s fair game. free press and all.
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 1, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
it would be different if it was mlb aligning with some politician, but they are just getting an opinion from someone in baseball
happens all the time I’m sure
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 1, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
The press is free in this country?
adds this to evil dictator world changer list
I’m pretty sure in big situations, they’d walk him [Pujols] to get to Babe Ruth.-- Matt Holliday
yeah
I guess it’s not really, except for the interwebs
/politics
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 1, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, I was just trying to say I'd change that if I was in charge.
/snarky sarcasm hilarity.
I’m pretty sure in big situations, they’d walk him [Pujols] to get to Babe Ruth.-- Matt Holliday
I would not consider MLB.com to be "press"
as it relates to TLR.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jul 1, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
although, tony IS a lawyer...they may have been asking him about the law from a legal perspective
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
they were not
He pretty much said Arizona did what they thought they had to do because the federal govt was doing anything about immigration.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 1, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
errr
because the federal govt was not doing anything about immigration.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 1, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Well...
they’re trying to move the ASG out of Phoenix in protest and the media has been measuring support for that among players/coaches/owners…
Obviously the last thing anyone wants to read here is an immigration debate.
Fire La Russa!
So should I marry an illegal immigrant
and if she divorces me how much does she deserve?
Time is the best teacher; Unfortunately it kills all its students
Don't take it out of context
“If the national government doesn’t fix your problem, you’ve got a problem. You’ve got to fix it yourself. That’s just part of the American way.”
This is effectively what he said. I don’t think that this necessarily implicates his position on immigration. He is just speculating on a states right to make laws from what I read.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
exactly what i was thinking.
this is more of a states rights issue than an immigration issue, really.
/not trying to get political
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
by IHeartBoog on Jul 1, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I am more concerned
that his unnecessary comments may alienate some of his key players and third base coach who may not agree with his position.
TLR seems to have poor judgement in general when talking to the media.
Carry the battle to them. Don't let them bring it to you. Put them on the defensive and don't ever apologize for anything.
Well
“TLR seems to have poor judgement in general when talking to the media.”
I would have to disagree with this. TLR may be old, but he does have a law degree. He isn’t exactly the town idiot out there.
He gives the vaguest answers possible to the media in many cases deliberately in order to draw attention away from himself. What Tony was doing in this case, I don’t know, but the guy is smart, probably quite a bit smarter than we give him credit for.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
I don't understand the relevance of a law degree
he has routinely made comments that have devalued players the front office might be trying to trade and his public lust for various marquee veterans over the years can only serve to drive up the price. If he has a message to send to the owner or the front office he should man up and say it rather than use the media.
I don’t see how TLR’s expression of his views on a controversial topic that has nothing to do with his team can possibly help the team, but I can imagine a scenario where it may hurt the team.
Carry the battle to them. Don't let them bring it to you. Put them on the defensive and don't ever apologize for anything.
I agree with both of your points.
His personnel discussions in the media is not helpful to the organization at all.
I also think that it was unnecessary for him to comment on the law as it is a very controversial subject that could rub members of the organization and/or potential members of the organization the wrong way.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jul 1, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
If Scott Rolen doesn't like what TLR has to say about Immigration
Well he can just pack up his bags and head to Cincy!
Or, Toronto...
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jul 1, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Indeed
It won’t end well :p.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
sports mixing with politics
it’s not that sports figures should never take a stand or whatnot it’s just that i watch/follow/obsess over sports precisely to get away from politics
baseball players, etc have always been involved in politics and similar issues
civil rights, etc
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 1, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
personally I'd like to hear more
but that’s just me
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 1, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
like it said
it’s not that they shouldn’t have a cause, etc. it’s just that I enjoy getting away from politics using sports. i prefer them to get involved when they are retired
I don't think Tony will ever retire though
:(
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 1, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Lemme fix this
Idon’t thinkshiver to idea that Tony will never retire though
I want the Walrus back...
wat
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 1, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
it wasn't really Ton'y fault
FoxSports MW just hit him up with the question immigration laws in Arizona. Not like he brought it up
by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 1, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll blame it on Fox
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 1, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
was it fsn mw or fsn arizona
the law is a big deal around here, and the d-backs are worried about losing the allstar game next year. it wouldn’t surprise me if fsn arizona was asking all the managers and players about it
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
it had to be Midwest
It was like Pre-Pre game stuff. I was sorta watching it at the time. His comments didn’t really jump out to me at the time. And I would put my self in the camp against the Arizona law. It just seemed like a pretty obvious answer to the question. The state reacted because the Federal govt wouldn’t.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 1, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
In a team that includes latino players
who probably have immigrants in their family (legal or illegal), this is not an article that should be put on the team home page. The man is entitled to his opinion, as everyone is and should. Just don’t paste it on the team’s home page.
I want the Walrus back...
are there any teams that don't have Latino players?
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 1, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Pittsburgh Crawfords?
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
This I can support.
The whole Three Goatateers need to be gone.
I’m pretty sure in big situations, they’d walk him [Pujols] to get to Babe Ruth.-- Matt Holliday
heh heh heh
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 1, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
It's like having a mascot who can pinch hit and play second (sort of) and be an emergency pitcher....
…only with a Gritstache!
;=8)
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
Yeah, really
This is getting ridiculous.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
That's political, man
Leave that shit alone.
VivaElBirdos: Celebrating glorious mustaches since 2009
by redbirdnation8206 on Jul 1, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Woot, Just got a Russian DVDRip of the new Karate Kid
Should be acceptable movie at least. I heard the new Avatar: The Airbender is supposedly the worst movie made in the last 10 years
both Avatars and the new Karate Kid are all movies I'll never see
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 1, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
different movie
Nothing like the other Avatar
by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 1, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
It's based on an anime.
It’s about a guy who can control all 4 elements.
I’m pretty sure in big situations, they’d walk him [Pujols] to get to Babe Ruth.-- Matt Holliday
it's not an anime
cartoon was made in the USA, and quite good. not your normal kids fare. skip it live, and see the original. no subtitles needed!
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
parts of the Earth Nation season dragged, but I liked it as much as Cowboy Bebop.
this is pretty much someone butchering Cowboy Bebop.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I would have very stern words for the someone who butchers Cowboy Bebop
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.
yeah, pretty much that's what's goin' on here.
I mean, within the first five episodes, on top of the zany fun of penguin sledding and flying bison, they hit you hard with genocide, reincarnation, banishment, military backstabbing, a few impossible tasks, and some seriously meaty world-building. all that and it’s pretty much 98% perfect animation. over several seasons, so it really needed an Potter or even Twilight treatment to be successful in live action.
someone ripped the soul out of all that just to put it in 3D.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Worse than GI Joe? Worse than Transformers 2?
Worse than Matrix Revolutions?
Whoa.
I’m pretty sure in big situations, they’d walk him [Pujols] to get to Babe Ruth.-- Matt Holliday
i didn't have a problem with GI Joe tbh
T2 sucked though, if Transformers 3 is the same or worse without Megan Fox who the hell will see it?
Rasmus can hit lefties
cardinalred
St. Louis Sports blog
That Toe-Thumb girl is not really that attractive
by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 1, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn't really get the Megan Fox Mania
I do get the Megan Fox backlash.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Jul 1, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
She has weird thumbs though
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
i mean i would have sex with her
But that really isn’t saying much
by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 1, 2010 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions
What is this I don't even..
You seriously don’t know who Megan Fox is?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
you'd recognize her thumb.
It looks a lot like your big toe.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
after google imaging
i do recognize her. don’t know where from, though
turns out she was in beverly hills 90210 and then some B movies after that
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
That is nothing
My male co-worker did not know who Lebron James was.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 1, 2010 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Check out rottentomatoes
Oh it’s worse
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Blurbs from the criticsphere
“The Last Airbender is dreadful, an incomprehensible fantasy-action epic that makes the 2007 film The Golden Compass, a similarly botched adaptation of a beloved property from another medium, look like a four-star classic.” – Ty Burr, Boston Globe
“The Last Airbender is an agonizing experience in every category I can think of and others still waiting to be invented.” – Roger Ebert
“The Last Airbender is a joyless, soulless, muddled mess, but the worst part of all doesn’t come until the very end. That’s when it makes the clear suggestion that two more such movies are in store for us” – Christy Lemire, Associated Press
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
is that from filmdrunk? love that site
but Ebert actually had a better one: “The Last Airbender? Let’s hope so.” …or something to that effect
No I just copy/pasted from rottentomatoes
I love Ebert. His 0 star reviews are hilarious
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
having seen transformers 2 but not this
I’m not sure how it could be done. In this movie, a car probably does not slice another car in half and then say, not in car alienish but in slangy English, “Damnnnnn I’m good!”
You do realize the guy that made water kill aliens
Directed this movie
by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 1, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Bruce Willis was a ghost the whole time!
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
by mysterui on Jul 1, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He pulls out the crane and wins!
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.
Jesus dies and then comes back
in what was probably supposed to set up a sequel, but for some reason, it never happened
I don't give a fuck who you confuse me with.
by chalk on Jul 1, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
jesus was kaizer soze in that one, iirc?
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jul 1, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
full disclosure: I loved signs
I especially loved how there were no bumbling ethnic alien cars in it, and how optimus prime, the sovereign ruler of a nation of car aliens, did not use the word “bitches” at any point in the movie.
If you didn't know what to expect out of Transformers 2
…Frankly, I don’t know what to tell you
It’s like going to a Tim Burton movie and saying, “I didn’t know Johnny Depp was going to be in it!”
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
ahh Tim Burton
The Derek Jeter of directors
by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 1, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
this was actually the first one I had seen, but I should have and indeed did know better
I was there with some friends who apparently did not.
his movies have really, really gone downhill
i guess the village was the last good one
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
even the village wasn't really good compared to his previous work
I don't give a fuck who you confuse me with.
but yeah, he had a slew of three or four great movies with cool twist endings
and then the lady in the water happened and things have never been the same
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
6th Sense>Unbreakable>>>>>>>Signs>The Village>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The Last Airbender
Time is the best teacher; Unfortunately it kills all its students
i agree with this.
having not seen the last airbender, i can imagine its still true
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
Oddly enough I didn't hate Waterworld a movie that always
gets hammered it seemed a bit cartoonish villain wise but other than that it seemed cool in a mad max way
Time is the best teacher; Unfortunately it kills all its students
It isn't that bad of a movie
Just a super expensive one
by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 1, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I liked Unbreakable, too.
Unfortunately, I don’t think very many other folks did. It was supposed to be the first part of a trilogy, but that trilogy is dead now.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jul 1, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought people generally liked it, just not until well after it came out
Sort of like Majora’s Mask.
God Majora's Mask is so good
Check out this incredibly long article on “The Message of Majora’s Mask”
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
I still hate that game.
I refuse to play the game, even though I loved Ocarina of Time. I guess it’s the whole time thing or whatever, but I really hated it back when it came back. I tried it years later, and still hate it. No idea.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
It's actually a beautiful storyline when you get into it
The banality of what the townspeople are fretting about, etc.
(Try to) read the article I posted. Interesting stuff
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
I just could not get into it
If I can’t get into a game within a couple hours of playing then I consider it a failure, and that’s what happened with me and Majora’s Mask. Rare for Zelda games.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
We should probably fight about which of our opinions is better now
If I’m understanding how the internet works correctly.
Heh heh
I really tried to like it, I did! I love every other Zelda game I’ve ever played, even Wind Waker (man that game was awesome, I got so tired of people complaining that it looked cartoony).
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
See, I didn't like Wind Waker
Nothing to do with the graphics… Everything to do with riding on a boat for 30 minutes to my next destination
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
That game was awesome, though the early-game boat ride were tedious
Once you got the transporty song, the long boat rides ended, though.
I can understand that
I kinda found it fun though. I haven’t really played any other games where you get to control a wind-powered boat.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
i wonder what happened there
maybe shymalan should revisit that idea and stop making movies that suck.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
NO NO STOP
THIS MEME MUST STAY OFF VEB, IT’S THE WORST MEME EVER AND NOW I’VE SEEN IT TWICE IN TWO DAYS
This :D
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
The Fuckin' Magnets meme?
It’s like 5 months old
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Fucking VEB
how does it work?
I’m pretty sure in big situations, they’d walk him [Pujols] to get to Babe Ruth.-- Matt Holliday
heh, i saw you write that yesterday
i still don’t understand this.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
It's an Insane Clown Posse song
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Apparently he was quoting as saying something like,
“I hope that we broke so many rules with this movie that we created some new ones.”
Not a good thing to hear from a director unless he’s a complete genius. And that guy really isn’t, as much as I liked a couple of his movies.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
He did create a rule or two
Don’t have aliens that are allergic to water come to a planet full of water, for starters.
Or a studio from paying him for his efforts
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.
OT: Hey PJ,
got that video card, Windows performance score jumped from 4.3 to 5.9. Now to find some time to game.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I have been playing a lot of Team Fortress 2 lately
by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 1, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Solid choice.
Used to play that a lot.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
sweet
i’ve been eying a GTS 250 lately
but i also want another HDD and a better monitor and need money to spend on this stuff. we’ll see
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
My HDD is dragging my score down,
a better drive and that machine would be ticking along at 6.2.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Reds 1, Cubs 0
Top 2nd. Because I have hated the Cubs longer, I am rooting for the Reds.
But it’s like 50.1 to 49.9 percent.
Probably should root for a sinkhole to develop on the field.
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.
A tornado works for me.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
The scrubs are incosiquential this year.
The Reds need to lose.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
i kind of enjoy how the cardinals seems to rotate rivalries
the cubs are always there, but we’ve had heated battles with houston, milwaukee, and now the reds over the last decade. its fun.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
Stupid Utley getting injured and being out for weeks...
speaking of NCAMFT…
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
gonna have to say go cubs for this series
sorry
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 1, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Over on BCB
they’re complaining about not being able to hit a soft-tossing lefty making his major league debut.
Ha-ha, what a bunch of jerks.
by Andyfantastic on Jul 1, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
heh
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 1, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
He doesn't believe in regression.
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.
His walks...
are as low as ever (he’s always had awesome control), his groundball rate is good as usual, he’s getting pretty lucky, he’s stranding runners… The most glaring difference is that he’s K-ing 6.3 instead of 3.5 like he used to.
I happen to believe this is mostly a product of where the league is – strikeouts are up all over the place (as are walks). As hitters become more selective, guys that don’t walk anyone, like Silva, excel.
Fire La Russa!
he likes the NL?
he isn’t walking many people?
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 1, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Anybody need some Black leather LCD TV headrests for their car?
Just got 2 for a customer that now no longer needs them
ouch......That's why I only order that crap
pre paid. With a hefty restocking fee if they back out.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Yay NBA Free Agency
Too bad I have no team I care about at the moment, but it’s always fun to speculate on how teams are built.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
Curt Flood
I wrote a song about 6 years ago (“Curt Flood, A Mighty Man”). I emailed the guy from HBO sports that Dan linked to and told him about my song, and he said he loves it! He said he’d let me know if they decide to use it in the documentary. This may be the equivalent of “The check’s in the mail”, but what the heck, I’m excited. BTW, the song is on the Hungry For Music label on the CD “7th Inning Stretch”.
Dan, thanks so much for passing the info on.
youneverknow
Remember us little people when you make it big
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
very cool
hope they use it.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
thanks guys
here are some links to the song in case anyone is interested…
http://hungryformusic.bandcamp.com/track/curt-flood-a-mighty-man
http://www.amazon.com/Diamond-Cuts-Seventh-Inning-Stretch/dp/B0002CSARQ
http://hungryformusic.com/cds/diamond-cuts/diamond-cuts-seventh-inning-stretch/
youneverknow
from keith laws chat:
Jason (Michigan)
How fast could Swaggerty move for StL? Closer stuff???
Klaw (1:09 PM)
Could move very fast. Setup stuff, closer mentality.
link. who is swaggerty?
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
Old Spice. duh.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
memesplanation
Hence forth, Mattew Jordan Swagerty will be known as
Old Spice That is all, carry on.
by stxcardsfan on Jun 8, 2010 11:47 AM CDT on The 2010 Draft, the 2009 Draft
Later:
Look at him. Now look at VEB. Back to him.
Then it turns into a discussion on the etiquette of flatulence.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
there's a link fail there, hang on.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
correction
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
heh, i was in that thread, too
oh well, there were way too many draft names to keep up
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
we only meme'd that one, IIRC
for some reason everyone remembers Cox.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
but seriously, I may be most intrigued by Jenkins, with what little I know.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
i'm with you on that
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
also:
Tim (STL)
Klaw,What are the odds the Cards can sign Austin Wilson? How about Cox, Blair, and Jenkins?
Klaw (1:25 PM)
All I heard on Wilson leading up to the draft was that he was pretty much unsignable because of the commitment to Stanford, including his parents’ strong desire that he go to college. I expect the other three to sign. Cox really has no leverage – he shouldn’t want any part of the 2011 draft.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
guy we drafted in the early rounds of this years draft out of arizona state i believe
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
That guy we gave a lot of money in the offseason to protect albert is dead to me...DEAD TO ME
second round i believe
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
That guy we gave a lot of money in the offseason to protect albert is dead to me...DEAD TO ME
Just in case you ever get down on the Cardinals front office
be glad they aren’t the Memphis Grizzlies FO…a FO that last year traded a future first rounder away to get ronnie brewer, who only played 5 games for the grizzlies…he’s a restricted FA this offseason, but did we offer him a qualifying offer? no of course not…had we offered him one, we could match anyone elses offer for him…and if we decided it was too rich for our blood, we’d get a first round pick out of it(you know, kinda like the pick we gave up for him in the first place)…did i mention that our scrooge of an owner has promised multiple times over the past three months that we would re-sign ronnie brewer…just waiting for us to let rudy gay walk
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
That guy we gave a lot of money in the offseason to protect albert is dead to me...DEAD TO ME
Well look at it this way
You do get the distinction for being the Memphis Grizzlies fan.
Not afraid to nitpick
comes with the territory
I had a bumper sticker in high school that supported the NBA in memphis…so i have to be a fan now…right?
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
That guy we gave a lot of money in the offseason to protect albert is dead to me...DEAD TO ME
Rudy Gay is already resigned apparently for 5/82
From a few sources out there.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
he was gonna get a max deal from whoever lost out on the lebron sweepstakes
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
That guy we gave a lot of money in the offseason to protect albert is dead to me...DEAD TO ME
I was going to say either the Clippers or the Timberwolves
Both are incompetent, and have a need there.
I mean DARKO F. MILICIC for 20 million? David Kahn is quite possibly the dumbest GM in the NBA.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
that is bad
but yea…AP saying max 5 year deal for rudy…he was gonna get max from someone…might as well have been us…he’s still only 23, and averages 20 and 6…maybe he’’ll get better with a competent point guard
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
That guy we gave a lot of money in the offseason to protect albert is dead to me...DEAD TO ME
no kidding
i didn’t hear anything about mayo this year
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
league kinda figured him out
Grizz need to move him to point
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
That guy we gave a lot of money in the offseason to protect albert is dead to me...DEAD TO ME
oj averaged one fewer ppg this year
but shot a higher % from the field, his turnovers went down, and everything else was virtually the same
i meant on defense
bigger guards just backed him down all game long…another reason they should move him to point
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
That guy we gave a lot of money in the offseason to protect albert is dead to me...DEAD TO ME
Point Guards are typically smaller than Shooting Guards
In general, anyway. OJ Mayo is either too small or not bulky enough to guard 2’s.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
obviously
so then don’t have him guard a 2 on the other end, oj mayo is not an nba point guard anyway
conley was guarding the one
someone has to guard the 2…and he’s more of an NBA point guard than mike conley jr.
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
That guy we gave a lot of money in the offseason to protect albert is dead to me...DEAD TO ME
yea
its definitey an assumption…but conley/mayo gets you 40-42…mayo/henry might be better than that
conley is a backup point guard
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
That guy we gave a lot of money in the offseason to protect albert is dead to me...DEAD TO ME
conley sucks
and since he shot roughly 276 free throws in the second half of our sweet 16 game in ’07, he can suck my dick, fuck that game
haha
yea i don’t like him for that either
which is my real reason for railing against him for the past 2 years
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
That guy we gave a lot of money in the offseason to protect albert is dead to me...DEAD TO ME
But they already have a PG who is smaller.
So Mayo has no choice but to guard the 2, which he can’t do.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
not as much as you are sacrificing defense by leaving him at the 2
and i don’t think it would sacrifice that much…conley is not a good point guard, he can’t shoot, doesn’t really get into the lane with ease, and was not a great assist man
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
That guy we gave a lot of money in the offseason to protect albert is dead to me...DEAD TO ME
xavier henry is an unknown
and oj is better at the 2, so that combo could easily be worse, offensively and defensively
well yea, you don't know how it would work until you try it
here’s what we know about henry
He’s got a better jumpshot than OJ
he’s taller and has an NBA body, so there is a smaller chance he will get backed down on defense
OJ himself even said he has trouble guarding bigger guards
and there is no way you can know that oj is better at the 2
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
That guy we gave a lot of money in the offseason to protect albert is dead to me...DEAD TO ME
if griz were playing a small point guard, oj has to guard other team's 2
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
he'll be guarding the other teams 6'0 to 6'3 point guard instead of their 6'4-6'7 SG
a lot easier for him to handle…they matched him against the other teams off guard all season due to conley’s inabilities to guard anyone…he got eaten alive
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
That guy we gave a lot of money in the offseason to protect albert is dead to me...DEAD TO ME
henry
xavier henry would have to start in that scenario…or you know, the Griz could have resigned Brewer…idiotic
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
That guy we gave a lot of money in the offseason to protect albert is dead to me...DEAD TO ME
he's always been a point
until he got to USC, and most NBA guys have said that OJ should be a 1…he’s not a natural 2…i think he has about peaked in development at the 2 position
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
That guy we gave a lot of money in the offseason to protect albert is dead to me...DEAD TO ME
when there's no football on, we have to argue about something
I don't give a fuck who you confuse me with.
granted
staying on topic would be a little depressing right now.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
at least it was sports related
i never say anything about some of the topics you guys get on
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
That guy we gave a lot of money in the offseason to protect albert is dead to me...DEAD TO ME
hahaha
Just giving you guys a hard time. This thread is awesome compared to the Tiger Woods divorce thread from a few days ago.
About half way though that thread I just started to fuck with people
That was actually way worst than politics
by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 1, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, i kind of like the +/- in basketball
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
guess he just didn't get the press this year
the year before was his rookie year, right? guess that’s why there was more of a mayo watch.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
hellman's stil leading the pack
miracle whip still posing
same old
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
tropicana or sunkist for the oj part?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I could really go for a good pastrami sandwich right aboot now.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
+1
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 1, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
well thats something
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
That guy we gave a lot of money in the offseason to protect albert is dead to me...DEAD TO ME
Anybody else really amused that the Rangers had three of the top catching prospects in the game
And could not make one of them better than Bengie Molina?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
they're not named Molina
that’s their problem right there.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
good article by goold in American Way about Pujols
some touching stories in there.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
we
probably my bad for attribution fail.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Nope.
I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons
Yep.
I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons
=(
Was it the posting too many pictures of my bare ass?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
It was when you failed to ask Jack Z out.
I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons
I asked the assistant GM out! AND Tom Tango!
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
I wish I was named Tom Tango
That name is awesome.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
Unfortunately, it's a pseudonym.
I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons
It isn't the same spelled backwards and forwards?
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 1, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Wasn't that,
a malamanteau?
I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons
You asked Tom Tango to come out of his basement?
I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons
I know, I know. But I figured even sabermetricians need to go to the grocery store once in awhile
But I guess Amazon fucked that up for me…
Yeah, apparently he’s a consultant for the Mariners, so I emailed him and said that if he’s ever in town here doing his consulting thing that I’d love to take him out to lunch
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Maybe he took that the wrong way....
:D
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
Why would he do that?
I asked very politely if he liked watching the players take balls. I don’t see anything confusing about that
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
by mysterui on Jul 1, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
It's just some people have weird minds.
Don’t ask me, some people just don’t understand…
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
I was going to say
I know my writing can be bad at times but I would have thought I would have been de-mod’d before being outright banned.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 1, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
However, I can navigate to previously viewed pages in my history without problems:
Looking over Matt Swaggerty’s report again.
I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons
Yeah, if anyone needs on
try using this link
It works. The main page however says I’m banned, which is odd as I can’t imagine why you’d ban someone from reading a site.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 1, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Works for me without a problem.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jul 1, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Alright, let's get personal
if you guys can, please post who your internet provider is.
I have Comcast.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 1, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Dunno who the ISP is, I'm at work
But I’m using Chrome, if that helps
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
I have no idea.
I’m at work.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jul 1, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Sounds like you're going to get fired
then! Being clueless at work is grounds for dismissal promotion.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 1, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Try it with my Proxy
Either the one in my sig or FlimtotheFlam.com
by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 1, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
tried it with your website
got the same result.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 1, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
hmm can you screen cap it
Normally proxies get through it. I would try (Ctrl+Shift+P) for private browsing in firefox.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 1, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Works with the Proxy
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
And it is back working
not sure what happened but the ban is gone.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 1, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
The website was having issues
but it looks like it’s redirecting everything to www.futureredbirds.net. Originally the URL with the “www.” was generating the IP banned message.
I have no idea what caused this.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
cubs just tied it up at 2
bottom 8, 1st and 3rd, one out, d lee
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
Any word on when Ludwick will return?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
at the moment of our greatest need
*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 1, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Turn on the Signalwick
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.
[dramatic music!]
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Judgement Day?
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
2012 is too late
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
hopefully it's a 20 inning game and the cubs win
*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 1, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Tonights lineup via FSN tweet
Ryan SS
Lopez 3B
Pujols 1B
Holliday LF
Stavinoha RF
Rasmus CF
Molina C
Hawksworth P
Schumaker 2B
....my quick smells like french toast...
Twitter: @mstreeter06
I'm still angry that Stavinoha is on the team
that’s months of rage now
*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 1, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
very unhealthy
very understandable. He may be even more useless than Miles.
Miles vs Fat Miles…it’s an EPIC showdown!
I think I need some beer just to watch him play tonight
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 1, 2010 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions
haha he's not even close to miles territory
he has his own dimension….. there are people who don’t deserve to be on the roster (Stav) and then Miles….
Rasmus can hit lefties
cardinalred
St. Louis Sports blog
by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 2, 2010 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Meh. Ryan shouldn't lead off and Stavi shouldn't be 5th
But after these past few weeks… shudders
Remember when Dr. Thunder hit cleanup?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Nick Stavinoha hitting 5th
makes me cry.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 1, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
him starting makes me go WTF
Jon Jay should be on the team instead of him. or just about anyone really.
*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 1, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Remember last year when it was a fight
just to get Chris Duncan off the team?
We’re going to go through that again to get Miles, Suppan and Stavinoha off.
LaRussa is in the last year of his contract. Wonder if he’d like to replace Ozzie Guillen, or return to managing the A’s?
by Michael_68_1999 on Jul 1, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
that would be hillarious if he becomes the ChiSox coach
I’m not sure why, but it would be funny.
it’s funny that you mention Chris Duncan, I was just thinking about him. it’s like Chris Duncan pt. 2 with Stavinoha
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 1, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
And replace Suppan with whom?
Is anyone actually distinctly better than him? He’s a replacement level starter along with all the other options.
Not afraid to nitpick
Replacement
with an arm from Memphis, or Ottavino, at least has the salutary benefit of allowing the younger pitchers in the organization some major league experience so that they may learn and grow to become a part of the next winning team.
At this point they all may be replacement-level, but at least they can learn something for the future.
by Michael_68_1999 on Jul 1, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Anyone willing to finish their 5 innings
within a 2.5 hour timeframe.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 1, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I have less problems with Suppan right now
But would like to see him off the team by July 31st. Miles and Stav though is horrible
by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 1, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Millwood or Westbrook
It shouldn’t cost more than 2 C level prospects.
....my quick smells like french toast...
Twitter: @mstreeter06
Is that how long Penny is still out supposedly?
....my quick smells like french toast...
Twitter: @mstreeter06
July 15
"They're so stunned they didn't even boo!"
John Rooney 5/3/10 referring to Philly fans on Cards 5-run 7th inning
Well in that case
Prolly wouldn’t be worth it. They would be a better #5 than Suppan though, right?
....my quick smells like french toast...
Twitter: @mstreeter06
Heh
What would 2 C level prospects look like? Erik Manning suggested the Millwood/Westbrook idea he other day.
....my quick smells like french toast...
Twitter: @mstreeter06
Well damnit it helps to read
I was seriously SBN’d
....my quick smells like french toast...
Twitter: @mstreeter06
Millwood and Westbrook are both pitchers
whose names remind me of surburban neighborhoods or something. Or maybe bed and breakfasts or something like that.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
hey
at least Rasmus is in the lineup
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 1, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Dear Tony,
The doghouse is not located on the leadoff spot.
Otherwise, please enjoy breaking Hawksworth’s spirit. He’s Canadian and all.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I enjoy the hawksworth starts
keeping aside my indiscriminate Hawksworth fandom, I don’t think there’s reason to believe he’s any less equipped to start in the majors right now than, say, Ottavino.
Tonights lineup via FSN tweet
I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons
I believe it merits more of a
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
by Taskmaster on Jul 1, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
is that suppan?
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
But they'll still win.
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.
Well, sure
They’ve got a bunch of young and hungry players on that team.
Just like the Cardinals did in April.
by Michael_68_1999 on Jul 1, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
so i've been on jury duty last two weeks
what the hell are miles and stavinoha doing playing everyday?
All these 25th men are well and good, but when you have two injuries, all of a sudden you’re putting a vacuum of merciful suck on the field…
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jul 1, 2010 5:18 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
They have juries in Britain?
I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons
by hazel on Jul 1, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
The jurymen and jurywomen have to wear wigs. I'm pretty sure.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Jul 1, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
yep
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
see avatar>>>>
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jul 1, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously, that picture is priceless
Coolest dog ever.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Do you get to wear the powdered wigs?
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Adam Wainwright reaches on force attempt, throwing error by Aaron Heilman. Jaime Garcia scores. Brendan Ryan to 3rd. Adam Wainwright to 2nd. None out.
no
the lawyers and judge do, tho. Except the one guy on the case i’m currently on who presumably hasn’t “earnt the hairpiece” yet or something
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jul 1, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah
have to flush out the witches somehow.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jul 1, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
And yet there we have
five players in Memphis with OPS of .843 and higher.
by Michael_68_1999 on Jul 1, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
ARGH!!!
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 1, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Want to make it even worse?
Descalso is the only member of the starting lineup in Memphis with an OPS below .839. Check out Ruben Gotay’s line and tell me he shouldn’t be up with the big club.
by Michael_68_1999 on Jul 1, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
anyone but Miles and Stav!!!
please!!!! hopefully they’ll realize they don’t actually need Larue next year
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 1, 2010 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Descalso is on the DL
you know what? the Redbirds have plenty to play for. at this point, they’re like, f* you, we know how to get to our championship game. they want payback.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I would so take him over Miles, just to give him a try
Or Greene. Or Craig.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
I don't think miles is playing that much
Stavino gettin extra playing time because of Luddy calfy
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 1, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I witnessed a game where Aaron Miles started as the Designated Hitter.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jul 1, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
it was a few years ago
that Adam Kennedy batted 4th (ie cleanup). It was one of the games of a double-header, but still.
I’m saying this stuff has precedent. LaRussa
I personally always felt bad how Adam Kennedy got run out of town
He wasn’t that bad
by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 1, 2010 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, that was weird
His hitting in 2007 was atrocious, but you’d think there would have been plenty other stuff for people to be mad about that year. He almost managed a .700 OPS the next year… not sure about his overall values either year but I remember his defense being really good.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
mo needs to grow some balls, seriously.
SERIOUSLY. He has to see what’s going on here! TIME TO START A PETITION.
man, i am PISSED.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
i'm not that pissed
Stavinoha over WInn isn’t hat huge of a deal. Any day Miles isn’t starting is a good day.
i'm pissed because i suddenly realized the level of crap on this team.
and i remembered what april was like and how it was exciting to see allen craig and joe mather taking ABs and how WE WON GAMES.
i can’t fathom why craig and tyler greene have not been given another chance, given the injuries. without the injuries, i was okay with it. but without ludwick and freese, this lineup looks like ASS. (mostly b/c freese brings the sexy) but anyway. yeah i’m done now
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
okay okay
let’s not get irrational here. jay + greene and/or mather + craig over miles + stavinoha + a 13th pitcher probably equals maybe 2 wins over the course of an entire season.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 1, 2010 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Good thing this NL Central race isn't close
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
by mysterui on Jul 1, 2010 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
two wins might be the difference between the post season and not.
the key thing here is, by putting miles and stav out there, we are not fielding the best team we could be when we are in the middle of a very close pennant race. short of necessity (i.e. guys being hurt) i just don’t feel like there’s ever any justification for that.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
i guarantee you the cardinals win the division by more than two games.
guarantee.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 1, 2010 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions
don't tempt the GOBs
interesting thought i just had. lets say the season ends in a tie and we have a one-game play off with the reds, and game 1 of the nlds the next day. who do we want starting in that one-game playoff: carp, or waino?
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
Cliff Lee.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
by RiverRat on Jul 1, 2010 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
pretty stupid comment. dont tempt the GOBs
....my quick smells like french toast...
Twitter: @mstreeter06
I'm gonna assume this was a parody of a certain VEB regular
who often takes contrary opinions. If so, awesome.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Yeah that's come up in recent threads
It hasn’t been pretty.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Jul 1, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
wow
1-1 pitch to colvin was 8 inches off the plate…strike 2
gidp to end the game on the next pitch and he is clearly safe
the reds’ good fortune is comical
LaRussa comments
about the Arizona immigration laws/controversy was just discussed on PTI.
It’s strikes me as much ado about little (LaRussa weighing in, that is) but I wonder why he opened his mouth either way.
He has a right to, of course, but we don’t have to exercise every right we have.
Perhaps to distract
from how inconsistent his managing and ballclub have been this season?
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 1, 2010 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Describing it as "inconsistent" is putting it politely.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jul 1, 2010 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Just another payment
on the LaRussa Tax
Carry the battle to them. Don't let them bring it to you. Put them on the defensive and don't ever apologize for anything.
Looks like Utley is out for awhile per Peter Gammons
Chase Utley is going to require surgery on his injuredd thumb, very bad news for the Phillies
Quick trade them Skip and Miles for Doc...
:)
You fit into me
like a hook into an eye
a fish hook
an open eye
Incredible use of the block quote
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
damn
guess I was right about him not playing in the Allstar Game
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 1, 2010 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions
man
i’m so pumped i’m going to be sitting in the best seats i’ve ever had tonight when hawksworth is pitching and stavinoha is batting fifth. le sigh.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 1, 2010 6:13 PM EDT reply actions
Effin larussa...
is amassing negative manager WAR. I don’t want to hear about his stupid win total. As far as I’m concerned his MWAR is going down every day.
Fire La Russa!
i told this to a friend the other day...
i’ve defended larussa most of my life. i think his management philosophies are decent and his typical in-game managing style is very good (sans the borderline-chaotic righty/lefty matchups he overplays to the death). however, this year i’ve just got nothing. he still is a decent in-game manager, but his roster construction this year is just piss poor. i know people say this falls on mo, but that’s simply not true.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 1, 2010 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions
do we believe him?
because i sure as hell don’t.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 1, 2010 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions
And we have all seen
what TLR does when Mo puts players on the 25 man that TLR doesn’t want.
Carry the battle to them. Don't let them bring it to you. Put them on the defensive and don't ever apologize for anything.
sit them on the bench
Carry the battle to them. Don't let them bring it to you. Put them on the defensive and don't ever apologize for anything.
if he's going to keep saying that he sets the roster, then he should expect to be fired soon.
new petition: get carpenter to luggage mo.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
I personally am not that high on Mo
He gets about a C in my book. The only thing I like about him is not acquiring any bad contracts between Lohse and Holliday.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 1, 2010 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions
WHOAAAAAAA
calling the holliday contract bad today is like calling harry potter 7 a shitty movie today.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 1, 2010 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Lopez is a pretty big plus as is Ludwick
Undoubtedly Tony wanted to keep Ankiel. I’d give Mo a solid B.
Not afraid to nitpick
yes, mo gets a B from me because he almost certainly took care of the chris duncan and anKiel situations
i really thought his ballsiness would continue
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
With the March and April developments,
I think we all did.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jul 1, 2010 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't forget
he also got us a season of Glaus after TLR, Hee Sop Choi, and that schmuck from the dbacks had totally destroyed Rolen’s value
Carry the battle to them. Don't let them bring it to you. Put them on the defensive and don't ever apologize for anything.
I want him to get drunk again like the night he traded Chris Duncan
by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 1, 2010 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions
best trade evar.
i wanted the cardinals to keep lugo on the roster this year simply because of the fact boston was paying him.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 1, 2010 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions
what we honestly need to do is get lucky
I see it over and over again. Someone gets a super high/lucky BABIP for the month they get called up than NEVER get sent down regardless of after the fact.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 1, 2010 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions
better be a good one
Jay’s .364 wasn’t good enough to save him
Carry the battle to them. Don't let them bring it to you. Put them on the defensive and don't ever apologize for anything.
Looking at his performance in Baltimore, I'm sure glad we didn't...
Sadly, he’s not as bad as Aaron Miles and cost the exact same amount.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
same here.
TLR is surly and not at all personable. but i remember the joe torre years and they were awful. the cardinals have won consistently with la russa here, so i respect him for that. and albert likes him, which is saying something. but this year… this is bad.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
I wonder how many games TLR would have won
with the rosters Torre managed in his time here.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jul 1, 2010 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions
that's a fair point.
but i do credit him for some things – like keeping the team in the race for the first half of last year when our roster had been mauled.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
ownership made a lot of difference in the Torre years.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
i'm sure it did.
my original point was, we’ve been winning a lot, and sometimes with teams that aren’t great, since TLR became manager, so i’ve never had much reason to complain.
this year, with this roster, with these options, our team should be near the top of the entire NL and we’re not even in first place.
injuries aside, i now have cause to complain about TLR. because i do think that we have the pieces to be better and we aren’t using them.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
Considering how many games he won in Oakland from '93-'95, probably not to damn many.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Aaron Boone thinks the Cardinals will acquire Dan Haren
Hardcore Legend thinks Aaron Boone doesn’t know what he is talking about but hopes he gets lucky on this one!
go QC!
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 1, 2010 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions
good, our offense needs help
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
he's a better hitter than most of our bench
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 1, 2010 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions
What if we sent the entire rest of our farm system and kept Shelby Miller?
Because that’s about the only way we get Haren and keep Miller, lol.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Somebody should tell La Russa...
that pretending that Stav is a good hitter is not the next best thing to him actually being a good hitter.
Fire La Russa!
Where does his .320 wOBA rank amongst bench players?
Sure, he has a .354 BABIP, which is rather high, and a 27.5% K rate, but he is giving us results. It is working. Therefore, it is not a bad move by TLR. So what if his OPS is dipping into Miles territory.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jul 1, 2010 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I expect the further away we get from that first pinch hit home run, the worse and worse he'll become
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 1, 2010 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions
it doesn't bother me that Stavinoha is on a major league roster
because there are much worse bench hitters/fifth outfielders out there. It only bothers me that he’s on a roster instead of Allen Craig. So I can’t really get too worked up about it.
or John Jay, Tyler Greene, etc
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 1, 2010 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions
not enough seasoning yet I guess
to be a seasoned veteran… except that still doesn’t really explain Stav. I think Tony just thinks it’s cool that he has a big dude to pinch hit.
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 1, 2010 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions
So which is better...
Guys that actually get results? Or guys that don’t but should have, just have “bad luck”?
It’s also odd that Jay gets so much love here, considering he has a freakishly high BABIP (.364) and has no plate discipline (41% O-swing %, which is no surprise he hasn’t walked)
Heck, even Freese has a huge BABIP (.374). Should he be demoted in favor of Craig?
I'd just like to see Jay get a chance
sometimes your BABIP is high when you are just lacing the ball. that one home run from Jay was a blast, my own interior baseball scout sees him as a guy with good speed as well as some pop, along with plus defense. why wouldn’t you want to give that guy a chance if that’s what you’re thinking. apparently tony doesn’t see him similarly. I just don’t see Stav being that good of a player at all.
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 1, 2010 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions
that K rate
probably only helps suggest that that BABIP is more likely to be sustainable. he swings as hard as he can, doesn’t always make contact, but makes hard contact when he does
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
google is slowly but surely starting to failboat.
documents removed all the options I use.
news just became a yahoo clone with an aggressively cluttered layout.
I am not happy.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
huh. i haven't used google news in a while - indeed it has become unexpectedly crap.
I don't give a fuck who you confuse me with.
there's a whole bank that's gone
but edit as html was missing last time I checked, which is tragic. it’s now like the loser cousin of Word.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
when it was faster with the features I needed right away.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
but he's a blur!
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
good news, everyone—!
…wow, The Cat is taller than Aaron Miles.
“The Cardinals are 1-0 when Aaron Miles is DH!”
dude. AARON MILES IS NOT BIG ON AARON MILES.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Aaron Miles, seriously, sounds like he would trade Aaron Miles out of his fantasy team.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
No one ever claimed he was dumb,
just bad at baseball.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
it just proves that no one is listening
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Aaron Miles wisely says that the bench is ready... if any of them break, it's Tony's fault.
er, call.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Yadi in BP
does not even look like a Molina. I still double-take.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Shannon is *pumped* about that open bar in the Champions Club
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
more on Cal and Tony filling out yesterday's lineup card.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
OT, but not quite
I found this in the local paper about LaRussa supporting our (I’m an AZ resident) state’s SB1070 law.
http://www.azcentral.com/php-bin/clicktrack/email.php/9346471
If this delves into the political, I apologize up front, because my question isn’t on the merits of the law and whether you support it or not, but is a two-parter about the role of athletes/coaches in politics and the role of politics in sports.
First, is it appropriate for LaRussa as a representative of StL baseball to make these comments?
Two, Is it appropriate for baseball to make decisions based on these local politics (meaning the move to try to get the ASG taken from AZ)?
Normally I don’t think an athlete/coaches opinion matters much on politics. I know I was frustrated when the Suns did it, not because of the stance they took, I feel they are fully able and within their rights to support or not-support a piece of legislation, but I was pissed because it distracted from the tough job of trying to beat the lakers. Jesus, save the politics till at least after the playoffs (Insert Mora’s way of saying playoffs). In Tony’s case, I feel it’s at least a little more appropriate because of the political pressure being put on MLB to get the ASG out of AZ, so in that sense it’s a little more appropriate for Tony to weigh in (no matter which way he came down on the bill)
2nd, unless there is a bill that is clearly and egregiously and universally denounced, I believe MLB should try to avoid the issue as best they can and not sway to political pressure one way or another, just like the MLB as an organization doesn’t go out and support political candidates.
Sorry again for the “political” post, but I figured it was on-topic because it deals with LaRussa, the All-star Game, and baseball in general, plus I didn’t get into the merit or lack thereof about the law, and didn’t go pro-con on the law itself. I’d prefer if no one gets into the actual politics unless it forms their opinion on whether it’s appropriate for TLR or baseball to be involved at all. Thanks
its been hashed out above, actually.
touchy subject. i think we agreed that athletes/coaches generally shouldn’t be involved in political shit. in this case, its a bit different because of the all-star game and the fact that there is a movement to take it away from Arizona.
while i would have liked tony to just say “no comment” i think we also agreed that he was asked that question by a reporter and he managed to give a pretty innocuous answer.
i’d say we did a pretty good job of avoiding the merits of the law itself.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
it's
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I basically find anyone's opinion that's in the public eye that I actually follow regularly fascinating
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 1, 2010 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions
regardless of if they align with my views or not
it doesn’t really tarnish their image for me, unless it’s like something on the level of michael vick or other NFL insanity, that stuff is really lame.
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 1, 2010 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions
why? i have less than no interest in who wainwright voted for or what pujols' opinion of tax cuts is
i’m interested in them because of baseball, the political stuff, or religious stuff, or whatever is just uninteresting (as well as much more likely to lower my opinion of them than to raise it)
I don't give a fuck who you confuse me with.
just a novelty/trivia factor
curiosity, too much time on my hands, etc
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 1, 2010 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions
You have a good point
However, since there is an organized move to get the ASG taken away from Arizona, it’s a little more relevant what the players/coaches think. Imagine what happens if MLB decides to try to be apolitical and doesn’t want to do anything and leaves the ASG in AZ and then a vocal group of hispanic players decides they are going to boycott the ASG. Then were are we? It’s headline news and it becomes all we talk about for a couple weeks in baseball. That would suck. So some side bar talk about it now, isn’t delving into what the players think other than to get a reading on how the players/coaches will react next year when the ASG comes up. Also since it’s just around the corner, it’s a little more relevant than just a blatant political post.
Post Fail
My bad on bringing it back up, I don’t know how I missed that huge subthread. My bad, won’t happen again
oops.
http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2010/7/1/1548268/game-79-open-thread-brewers-at
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