An Afternoon Chat
by the red baron on Jun 9, 2010 1:45 PM EDT
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PrintLadies and Gentlemen, I'm having a rather awful day. I was planning on holding a chat here today beginning some time around 10:30 or 11:00 am, just in time to start following the third day of the draft and hit that sweet spot of midday site traffic. However, as you can see, that didn't happen. Between my day job blowing up completely and the publishing software for my RFT gig just destroying about two hours worth of work somehow, it hasn't been a pleasant morning. (Actually, I shouldn't place all the blame on the software; my computer is trying my patience today, and I can't tell if the problem is with the DSL, the router, or the laptop itself. I'm afraid the computer itself is beginning to wind down. So it's entirely possible the problem is on my end. Sigh.)
So anyway, we've got a bunch of draft stuff already in the can, we've got shitty plate appearances, we've got rotation concerns, there's plenty of stuff to talk about. So let's have a little chat. I've got a couple hours, though I warn you if I continue having computer problems this whole thing may fall apart. If so, please accept my apologies and talk amongst yourselves about how tired we all are of seeing the redbirds play awful baseball against the Dodgers since last October.
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Austin Wilson
Chance of signing him? One in a million? So you’re telling me there’s a shot….
I would say better than one in a million,
but still not good. I expect the Cards to make a good run at him, but in all likelihood he goes to college. Still, they could always take the money they didn’t end up using for Wagner Mateo, add another mil on top of it, and see if he can really walk away from four+ million dollars. Personally, I don’t think I could walk away from professional baseball and four million bucks for all the campus life and stunning coeds on earth, but he might have different priorities than I.
Death needs time for what it kills to grow in.
by the red baron on Jun 9, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Well I would give my left nut to be in the Cardinals system
So Wilson’s being a jackass, taking my nuts and all.
It's a college in southern California.
I’ll bet the coeds are just fine.
Death needs time for what it kills to grow in.
by the red baron on Jun 9, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
my whole life I always thought Stanford was in either Oregon or Washington
you learn something new every day
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
Standford is in Northern California
Which means Coeds Hippies. Which means no razors.
think about it.
cal is the one with the hippies
stanford not so much.
i went to grad school at Stanford
the girls are not hot by any means. there is a saying – 9 out of 10 girls in California are hot and the other one goes to Stanford. But it is a great place and different than any other learning institution that I have been too.
"Who is the most underrated actor of all time?" - Charlie
"That's easy - Dolph Lundgren" - Mac
Whoops.
My bad. I was thinking of USC. I stand by my assertion as to the attractiveness of the population, however.
Death needs time for what it kills to grow in.
by the red baron on Jun 9, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
California girls are pretty hot everywhere.
I lived for a year and a half in Berserkeley, wandering around. And visited Stanford campus during that time (of course, this was the early 80’s). Even so, that Beach Boys song applies even to NoCal girls.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jun 9, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Even.
Sheesh.
/edit fail
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jun 9, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
if the cardinals offer him that much, he's an idiot to walk away
i used to respect athletes who wanted to go to school, but i realize now that its a very dumb move. he could get injured in his first college game and never play baseball again. you can always go back to college. you can’t always go back to MLB.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
That's much the way I look at it.
Not even so much the injury thing, necessarily, but just this: if your dream is to play baseball, then you do it. You fail, you can always go back to school. But you’ve got a chance to do what a bare handful of people, relatively speaking, ever get to do. There are almost seven billion people on earth; 750 of them play in the major leagues. You get that chance, you grab it.
Death needs time for what it kills to grow in.
by the red baron on Jun 9, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
i went to high school with a guy who had a full ride to USC, got drafted by the royals in the 4th round right out of highschool.
they offered him close to $1m IIRC. he had a girlfriend at vanderbilt, so he gave up his USC scholarship, gave up his chance to play pro baseball, and followed her there. she broke up with him 6 mos. later. last i heard he was playing football at a junior college in san francisco. that was about 5 years ago.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
Wow.
That’s awful. That’s also why you should always steer clear of females. They’re after nothing but your essence. Just say no to women! (And this so totally includes you, IHB!)
Death needs time for what it kills to grow in.
by the red baron on Jun 9, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Apparently spants gets a pass, then?
Probably because she’d get all stabby on us if not.
"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols
No.
Spants gets no pass. She’s evil and will steal your precious fluids if she gets a chance as well. And then she’ll stab you.
Death needs time for what it kills to grow in.
by the red baron on Jun 9, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The best women are the women who realize that women are nuts
And I suspect that the best guys are the ones that realize that guys are assholes.
very wise.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
men are pigs
I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.
VEB: WWGTD
by The Continental on Jun 9, 2010 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Precious bodily fluids!
Must….keep….control!
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jun 9, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
wait....are you saying i should say no to women?
or that people should say no to me?
no one says no to me.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
I say no to you!
A thousand times no!
Death needs time for what it kills to grow in.
by the red baron on Jun 9, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Who on this board hasn't made a dumb decision involving a girl?
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jun 9, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
This should be green already dammit!
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 9, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I haven't. Not one.
(please oh please don’t ever read my previously published works)
Death needs time for what it kills to grow in.
by the red baron on Jun 9, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't make dumb decisions
I make questionable choices.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
addendum
while attempting to research what happened to that dude, i learned that another guy in my high school, who was 2 years ahead of me, got drafted by the phillies in the first round! as far as i know, he never made it to the majors, but geez my school had a nice little run there.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
Brendan Ryan went to a highschool a couple of blocks away from mine
Notre Dame. A lot of my friends go there.
I went to university with ex-england cricketer James Foster
hey-yo!
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 9, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
no one cares about biology
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Jun 9, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
i went there!
"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."
Austin Wilson, please don't be a tease!
Bobby did it the right way
took the money from the Mets and made them pay his tuition to Notre Dame while he took classes during the offseason. Best of both worlds.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
im going there right now
gonna be a senior
right now our football is stacked and at least one should pop out to the NFL… maybe Wes Kemp, maybe Durron Neal (currently a sophomore, but he’s a beast)
Rasmus can hit lefties
cardinalred
St. Louis Sports blog
by stlcardsfan4 on Jun 10, 2010 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions
I think the Jason Heyward example helps us.
Wilson’s parents, like Heyward’s, are highly educated, and might be pushing him to get a higher education first. Let’s hope someone in the FO says, look at this guy.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jun 9, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, let's hope so.
Heyward is actually a pretty good comp for Wilson, except for batting handedness.
Death needs time for what it kills to grow in.
by the red baron on Jun 9, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Blasphemy
The only player allowed to be compared to Jason Heyward is Stephen Strasburg.
Jeff Jordan's dad can beat up your dad.
by flipthebird15 on Jun 9, 2010 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions
For multi-millions yeah
And we had this discussion a few days back, but #1 going to college isn’t in any way infringing on your “dream” of going to the MLB, it’s the MLB is the one that is always there. You still have just as good a chance to make the bigs if you go to college. The real college experience is not always there; I just can’t imagine that being say 28 and hanging out with 21 year olds is really the same thing.
And #2 what if the guy who signs for 500k gets injured in his 4th year of professional baseball and has basically nothing to show for it? 500k is 300k after taxes, agent, financial stuff. Still a lot of money, but IMO that’s not at all worth pissing away 4 years of your life riding buses in A-ball. Hitting .230 in the tiny towns of A-ball would not be the least bit enjoyable.
The game theory again: if you are good/healthy enough to make it, you get to go to college and then still end up making MLB. If you aren’t good/healthy enough to make it, then you’d just rather go to college. The only thing that can make up the difference is if you are getting life changing money to make up for doing what would amount to nothing good for 4-5 years of your life. And no, just “playing baseball” is not an argument, you get to “play baseball” in college too.
Not afraid to nitpick
See, I disagree with this a lot, and I'll give you a prime example of why:
The NBA Draft. Jonathan Bender was paid $30M to suck at the NBA level for the last 10 years. THIRTY MILLION DOLLARS. DeShawn Stevenson? Similar story. $19M over 7 years — SUCKS. Eddy Curry, Kwame Brown, Sebastian Telfair, Robert Swift, Dorell Wright, etc.
If any of these duds had gone to colleges, they’d have been found out, and there’s no fucking way they make the multi-millions they’ve made over the course of their careers, because they probably don’t get drafted. There’s an opportunity cost of going to college, and that cost is, basically, the value of your hype vs. the value of your talent. The NBA knows this and has instituted a rule exempting players from declaring for the draft prior to their 19th birthday, so now they either go to college (the John Wall/Demarcus Cousins route) or play overseas for a year (the Brandon Jennings route) before they can declare. If they stink up the fucking joint that first season, they’ll end up dropping in the draft or staying in college, but that means they’ve lost money overall.
Obviously basketball is a bit different than baseball in terms of having the opportunity to get drafted and work your way through a minor league system, but I also think the the marketing strength of college basketball vs. college baseball evens things out a bit.
If it’s the college education vs. the college experience, you’re probably right. But to tell a kid with top 5 talent he should “go to school and earn his degree” is ridiculous — he can put away half his signing bonus in a money market account and then go to nearly whatever school he wants to go to if his career doesn’t work out.
Plus, these guys are getting paid to play in the minors, it’s not like they’re living off a $500,000 bonus for 7 years. I’ve never seen $500,000 IN MY LIFE, yet I seem to be doing just fine. If you’re making the case that most of them will just piss away that money, then that’s a lifestyle choice, not an economic one.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
i agree with all of this
except minor league players make almost no money. most of them have to get part time jobs and they live with host families during the season. i read an article once saying they make something like $1000/month.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
oh, so my point was a lot of them have to live off their signing bonus.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
If they get the amount of money that Wilson is looking at getting as a signing bonus,
He should live quite comfortably off the interest. I’d be willing to bet that if his parents are as intelligent and educated as is stated, they’re going to set him up with a helluva financial plan.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 9, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah,
this dude needs to sign
is anyone baking any pie yet?
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
There is nothing left to make pies....
no flour, no cherries, no apples…nothing,
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Only grits left in the pantry now.
Baseball fans are junkies, and their heroin is the statistic
-Robert S. Wieder
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Jun 9, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
A little milk, brown sugar, and maple syrup and you make grits pretty tasty.
There is no way, however, to make Miles look tasty.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 9, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
nope
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
I blame the Snakepit for this
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
That's a waste of perfectly good bacon!
Repent, I say!
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 9, 2010 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh that needs more love!
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 10, 2010 5:44 AM EDT up reply actions
maybe with all that money he has, matt holliday can buy us some pies to send wilson's wa
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
wondering how ling it would take
to be fair, though, i thought it would be a lot sooner
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
with that kind of money, holliday should be able to snap his fingers and have pies appear immediately
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
He does, but all he gets are empty pie tins
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
That's really what I'm saying
The only thing that can make up the difference is if you are getting life changing money to make up for doing what would amount to nothing good for 4-5 years of your life.
If you are offered life changing money, yeah go for it. But it’s the 2nd/3rd rounders I’m talking about, 300k in the bank and not “life changing money” to me anyway—-a lot of shit it would be a lot easier, but I’m not going to be going from “doing pretty well” to “living the life” off of 300k.
In any case I basically just don’t buy the “go to college vs. chase the dream” dichotomy, you get to go to college AND chase your dream.
Not afraid to nitpick
you chase your dream
and if you don’t catch it, then you go to college
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
That's exactly what I'm saying.
If you’re a top 100 talent and can get a signing bonus of $100,000 to $500,000 I think you’re better off playing ball professionally rather than going to school, UNLESS you think that going to school can improve your chances of moving up in the draft (a la Stephen Strasburg).
I don’t think that Bryce Harper gains anything by going to college, even if he was as smart as a rocket scientist and wanted an advanced degree. He could do that at age 40 if he wanted to. You can only play baseball for so long.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
You can offer whatever you like.
The commish’s office is going to scream bloody murder, but there’s nothing they can actually do to stop it. Such is the beauty of ‘suggested’ slots.
Death needs time for what it kills to grow in.
by the red baron on Jun 9, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
to the ire of Selig...
You sure as hell bet we are! MakeitsoMO!
While Spinning.
How much were yours? 34 dollars. You know you got a pay raise... right?
12th
Wilson, 12th round.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jun 9, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Close only counts....ah, eff it.
yeah.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jun 9, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
According to Dustin Mattison, Wilson is rumored to be asking $3m to buy out his scholarship.
Baseball makes the world go 'round, or at least in my world it does.
we should definitely pay that
Hasn’t it been shown over and over again that draft picks are incredible values? Especially well built hitters.
That's it?
That’s far lower than I thought. Pay it, and pay it now, Cardinals!
Death needs time for what it kills to grow in.
by the red baron on Jun 9, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't buy that unless teams couldn't get a straight pre-draft answer from him.
if that’s all he wanted, he’d have gone in the first round. Something about that doesn’t add up.
Think; It's not illegal yet.
is it possible
the parents overplayed the stanford thing as a negotiating tool, then, fearing he wasn’t going to be drafted at all, put it out there the second day that he might be willing to sign? trying to remember where, but i read that on a draft site at the conclusion of day one. and maybe they informed only a team or two, which sort of goes along with your thinking.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
The smart bet is take the money now
Standford has a way of making you worst at baseball. I can almost guarantee he will get offered less money when he leaves Standford vs signing now.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 9, 2010 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Wilson, you mean?
Talent-wise he was a top fifteen pick, easy. Maybe top ten. Position-wise, I would put him ahead of Cox, just behind Harper and Machado.
Death needs time for what it kills to grow in.
by the red baron on Jun 9, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Position player ranks by Aaron
Harper
Machado
Wilson
Cox
Castellanos
Grandal
Colon
Sale
Brentz
That’s just off my head, so it’s possible I missed someone in there.
Death needs time for what it kills to grow in.
by the red baron on Jun 9, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, Wilson, I meant to hit reply to the 1st thread, but failed.
Hopefully we offer him money for the slot where he would have been picked (or more)and let him decide.
I hope so.
Death needs time for what it kills to grow in.
by the red baron on Jun 9, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
My ranking of those guys goes like this
Harper
Machado
Grandal
Wilson
Castellanos
Sale
Cox
Brentz
Colon
babip giveth... and babip taketh away
Actually, switch Cox and Sale
and add in Choice in front of Grandal.
babip giveth... and babip taketh away
wow, that's high for choice
I think I go Harper, daylight, machado and grandal, daylight, castellanos, cox, sale, choice, daylight, brentz, colon.
Colon 4th overall has the potential to be the worst pick of the draft IMO.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 10, 2010 6:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Worster
Baseball fans are junkies, and their heroin is the statistic
-Robert S. Wieder
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Jun 9, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Worsterest.
Death needs time for what it kills to grow in.
by the red baron on Jun 9, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
a freakin travesty
I'll leave this to Lao Tzu
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 9, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
A great hitter who needs more playing time.
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
The guy who should trade places with Jon Jay
Stupid Sexy Flanders!!!
by timmycardinals on Jun 9, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
anthony bryant
hummel says that anthony bryant, drafted in the 16th round, is a USC ‘recruit.’ rivals dot com says that anthony bryant, of pflugerville, texas has offers from buffalo, southeastern louisiana, stephen f austin, and UTEP.
what am i missing here?
I believe that USC thing
might refer to Kris Bryant. I wouldn’t swear to it, though.
Death needs time for what it kills to grow in.
by the red baron on Jun 9, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
i can’t find any usc recruit named kris bryant, either.
is it possible that hummel is just wrong on this?
Possibly.
The draft is a tough thing to cover. There’s a real dearth of information, and it’s easy to get bad intel all the time.
Death needs time for what it kills to grow in.
by the red baron on Jun 9, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
From Posnanski
“Eleven 21-or-younger pitchers since 1920 have had more than 10 strikeouts and no walks in a game. Nolan, Blue and Gooden did it twice. But one pitcher did it three times. Can you come up with the name?”
Ankiel.
Did it three times in one season, in fact.
Death needs time for what it kills to grow in.
by the red baron on Jun 9, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep.
It’s easy now to forget just how freakishly dominant he was at times, given all that came after.
Death needs time for what it kills to grow in.
by the red baron on Jun 9, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
every time this trivia question gets quoted some dust gets in my eye, this really annoying dust, man, and
I just have to leave the room for a minute.
Has it been raining?
on your face.
How sad was the table where Ankiel was not listed as a star, even though that seemed like his destiny?
Any chance we see T Greene back up?
I see he’s OPS-ing .907 at this point. Haven’t heard anything about his D recently, though.
Baseball fans are junkies, and their heroin is the statistic
-Robert S. Wieder
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Jun 9, 2010 2:02 PM EDT reply actions
God, I hope so.
He’s so superior an option to Aaron Miles (and, probably, either of our starting MIFers, too), that it’s impossible to understand why he isn’t here already.
Death needs time for what it kills to grow in.
by the red baron on Jun 9, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
and it's impossible to understand having miles on the team
and he will probably be here for the rest of the season
I'll leave this to Lao Tzu
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 9, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
He does.
And I’ve got just the spot for him to get it. It rhymes with beckoned grace.
Death needs time for what it kills to grow in.
by the red baron on Jun 9, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Are we talking about Baron Biles?
I’m so confused.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
I'm not sure if I love or hate this team, at least I'm not an apathetic fan
an infield of pujols, flip, tgreene, freese does sound like a cure for something
it could go like
lopez 2b
holliday lf
rasmus cf
pujols 1b
ludwick rf
freese 3b
greene ss
molina c
pitcher
why can’t i watch this team rb? why?
Because we live in Aaron Miles' world, that's why.
Death needs time for what it kills to grow in.
by the red baron on Jun 9, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
regarding Greene
What can he do to improve his strikeouts? Isn’t that the reason he is a AAAA ish player right now? Is that fixable at this stage?
Is he building any trade value despite his age?
slight apology if this is poor placing.
I'm not sure it's fixable.
He just doesn’t have good contact skills. That said, he’s improved his plate discipline and on-base ability to the point he can be perfectly useful even with the K’s. Rob Deer was more valuable than Tony Gwynn in at least three different seasons; it just didn’t look as pretty the way he did it.
Death needs time for what it kills to grow in.
by the red baron on Jun 9, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
And trade value?
Hmm, I don’t think he has a ton of it, for much the same reason he isn’t more highly valued by our own club.
Death needs time for what it kills to grow in.
by the red baron on Jun 9, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Rasmus at leadoff - yay or nay?
Or maybe a qualified yay when righties are on the mound? I think he’d be a WAY better option that Skip or Lopez.
Jobu needs a refill
You don't want to lose baserunners ahead of Albert and co.,
regardless of who the actual #2 hitter is. Runners on ahead of Pujols/Holly are too valuable to risk in the running game.
Death needs time for what it kills to grow in.
by the red baron on Jun 9, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Granted, he'd need to get 3 SBs for every 1 CS to break even from a run expectancy perspective
But if the base is available, and he’s “confident” (how ever you want to define that) in getting the base, I think it’s worth a shot. If Albert walks, it’s more men on base for Holiday.
Then again, Albert might want to destroy him if he’s caught stealing.
Jobu needs a refill
That's a fair point.
As far as SB value and all. However, you know perfectly well as long as TLR is running this show, there will be no running ahead of Albert. (Asinine hit-and-runs, yes. Stealing, no.) He’ll never get the opportunity to try and create that value.
Death needs time for what it kills to grow in.
by the red baron on Jun 9, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep
TLR – the L stands for “Let’s get lucky.”
Would love to see Tony at the craps table.
Jobu needs a refill
Heh.
Death needs time for what it kills to grow in.
by the red baron on Jun 9, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Rickey Henderson, anyone?
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jun 9, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I like him fifth or sixth.
Better position to drive in runs, and he can utilise his speed more fully with lower-leverage hitters coming up.
Death needs time for what it kills to grow in.
by the red baron on Jun 9, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Not lower leverage. Ah, you know what I mean.
Death needs time for what it kills to grow in.
by the red baron on Jun 9, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
There we go.
Arigato.
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by the red baron on Jun 9, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd prefer the 5th or 6th-spot
Have him alternate with Freese in these two positions. Rasmus has a bit more power, whereas Freese has a bit more average. Freese is a lil bit country – Raz is more rock n’ roll.
by JWO on Jun 9, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Lopez for leadoff and starting second baseman
why would he be that much better than Lopez?
I'll leave this to Lao Tzu
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 9, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I was under the impression that Lopez has a good OBP
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 9, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
ok
it’s only .370… thought it was higher than that
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 9, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Isn't that good?
That is well above average, and better than Skip’s has been the last couple years.
it is quite good
but not as good as Colby. my hunch is that Colby wouldn’t take well to leadoff, but it’s worth a try though
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 9, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
If he would somehow channel his ST 2008 performance,
I just might be swayed. That was the spring he had something like a .525 OBP.
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by the red baron on Jun 9, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Which is great, don't get me wrong
I just would like to see a REALLY high OBP in the top spot. Two out of 5 times we’d have a man on for Albert.
Jobu needs a refill
Best Draft Pick
Sorry you’re having a bad day, Baron. Given the recent draft, who do you think was the best “steal” from the Cardinals perspective? Also, does anyone have an opinion why Cox dropped so far in the first round?
Steals,
either Cox or Wilson, easy. Jenkins is a great value at 50 also, but you can’t argue with getting a top 10 talent at 25 and a top 15 talent in the 12th round.
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by the red baron on Jun 9, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, yes.
Much safer. Cox is close to a finished product, at least offensively. Very Wallace-like, in that he shouldn’t need a whole lot of time before he’s major-league ready. Wilson could be a monster, but he’s also a high school kid who needs to work on hitting breaking balls. The road is much, much longer and treacherous for him.
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by the red baron on Jun 9, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
i see
based on what i’ve read, though, i still think the cards should offer whatever it takes to get him to sign. if it’s $4MM, so be it.
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
Me too.
If the Cardinals actually managed to sign all the players they drafted on the first two days, this is potentially a franchise-changing draft. The draft equivalent of the Rangers/Braves Texeira deal.
Death needs time for what it kills to grow in.
by the red baron on Jun 9, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't forget to bring a towel.
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by the red baron on Jun 9, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Everytime I read that I think of Hitchhiker's guide to the Galaxy.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 9, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
i thought it would be so cool if a Baseball team had Towel day on Towel day(May 25th)
by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 9, 2010 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions
If they truly read the VEB, as they should, they would'v e come up with a brillant plan for that.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 9, 2010 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions
or just if someone was into the Hitch hiker's guide to the Galaxy
by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 9, 2010 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions
That too.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 9, 2010 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions
it'd be one of those complete 180s for a system.
combined with our increased int’l presence plus the 2011 draft, i’m already toweling
"...and pujols has given st louis the lead"
The Best Defensive Play I Have Seen in Person
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Whenever the KLaw likes the Cardinals moves
I shudder a little bit. And not in a good way.
by JWO on Jun 9, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Why?
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by the red baron on Jun 9, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Not a rational feeling
But it seems like Keith Law regularly shows contempt for teams not on the East Coast. That, and I find him to be a big of an arrogant jerk. I will say this though. Keith Law wasn’t the only one saying nice things about Cox. I think the Cards got a nice pick, especially given their draft spot.
by JWO on Jun 9, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Law can be a bit of a pill at times.
He seems to lack people skills occasionally. However, the man usually knows what he’s talking about. I tend to just try to ignore the tone when he’s coming off nasty; he was nice enough to do a couple interviews for FR, which earned him a bunch of points in my book. He’s just a little rough in his delivery at times.
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by the red baron on Jun 9, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he also likes jerking Cardinal Nation's chain. . .
and he also touts himself a bit too often as a scout rather than a numbers guy, IMHO.
All that being said, however, I think that praise from him is more positive than praise from, say, Joe Morgan.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jun 9, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
All good points.
He does seem to relish playing a bit of the maverick and poking at certain fanbases, I think.
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by the red baron on Jun 9, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
He jerks every team's chain, though.
He has no tact: That’s his shtick. What sucks is he’s actually a good analyst, he just comes off like a prick.
Much like every ESPN analyst, I’d like him a lot more if he dropped his shtick.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
I heard him once say...
…that when you’re a 5’5 guy you have to act like a jerk or no one will listen to you. I don’t know, I see where he’s coming from (I’m 6’4 myself and know it’s easier for me to walk into a room and get attention than most just because of that) but at some point you have to stop treating life like a big-winky contest.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Jun 9, 2010 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions
This is a small quote from Law's MLB Player X blog, dated yesterday
The question for yesterday was “Where I’d choose to play”
If I did get to choose from all 30 teams, I’d go in one of two ways. On the one hand, I could opt for a team that I knew was committed to winning and had the payroll to compete, like the Dodgers, Cardinals or Yankees. The Dodgers and Yankees would get a leg up because of the anonymity you can maintain in those cities, and the excitement and atmosphere that New York and Los Angeles afford. But everyone knows St. Louis is a killer baseball town. There’s something pretty cool about being a big fish in a smallish pond full of people who will never boo you.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jun 9, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
my guess is the player is not a-rod
but it is a big city. i would make every attempt to blend in. 8 mil ppl helps
"...and pujols has given st louis the lead"
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only because they closed club buca down...
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
There is
You just don’t know about them. I went to a club before that was like in the movies. You had to walk through the kitchen of a restaurant to get inside. Than it opened up to a nice sized club.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 9, 2010 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions
living in NYC for last several years,
and having spent about a month in LA, i can tell you that both cities do their very best to NOT go apeshit when they see a celeb. if someone’s eating dinner at the table next to you, at very most, a knowing smile and nod from your seat. that’s it. no autographs, no posed photos, no squealing into your phone. i think that’s what the player meant.
to some extent, sure
thing is, though, if you’re arod, you’re going to have paparazzi anywhere you go. but, like, mike mussina never showed up on page six or anything. and he played like 10 years with the yankees and is a borderline HOFer.
there are more high-end, velvet-rope, no-riffraff-no-press places in NYC where jeter can just go sit in a booth and not be bothered by fans or media than there are in most MLB cities.
I'm basically deferring to people who know more about him than me
and assuming it’s a good pick until he does something I can analyze, but the descriptions of his upside even from his big fans don’t excite me very much.
I like him, I don't love him.
I feel much the same way about him I did Brett Wallace. However, I will say this: as a value pick at 25, the Cards couldn’t have done any better than what they did. He’s not my favourite player, but he was legitimately ranked about 6th according to most boards. Even if he becomes trade bait (again, a la Wallace), the pick was an absolute no-brainer.
And if he can stick at second base, I love him. He’s a better hitter than I gave him credit for, I do believe.
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by the red baron on Jun 9, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Of course this does require that...
They sign him.
by JWO on Jun 9, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
True.
I’m very confident they will, though.
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by the red baron on Jun 9, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah
he is much like the wallace pick, maybe not quite as much a steal but very similar… he probably just doesn’t have nearly as much power, but better D
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 9, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, Cox is much more of a steal than Wallace.
The Walrus went right about where he should have; Cox should have been picked 15-20 spots above where he went.
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by the red baron on Jun 9, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
why do you think he fell?
everything i’ve read says he doesn’t have a whole lot of leverage
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
signability?
were the teams mostly picking pitchers before 25th pick?
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 9, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Just a couple teams likely to actually pay him
went in a different direction. With a guy like that, if he falls past even one or two teams, he’ll likely fall past a bunch.
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by the red baron on Jun 9, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
He's a draftable sophomore,
and wants a big payday. He has lots of leverage, though as bmorgan said, he’ll probably want to avoid next year’s class, which looks to be a monster.
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by the red baron on Jun 9, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
It reduces his incentive, perhaps,
but not his leverage. He wants to avoid next year’s class; the Cardinals have no reason to want him to avoid it. They want to sign him, regardless of what might happen to him next year.
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by the red baron on Jun 9, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
The level...
…of talent in a draft always regresses to the mean. Next years draft looks like a monster but next springs performances will thin the ranks quite a bit.
This year everyone was enamored with the number of high school pitchers available, but after it was all said and done the draft position of most of these players were not as high as I would have though.
Skip or Lopez starting at 2nd base?
what’s you opinion on the Holliday situation? just a slow start and he will heat up? bad luck? or is there something more to it?
perhaps a more concrete question: when the heck do you think Penny will be back?
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 9, 2010 2:13 PM EDT reply actions
Here's what Roto-Wire says about Penny
Manager Tony La Russa said Saturday that it would be “fortunate” if Penny (back) were to pitch during the Cards’ homestand beginning June 14, the St. Louis Post-Dispatch reports.
Spin: According to the report, a team source indicated a more accurate time frame for Penny’s return is four-to-six weeks, adding that Penny is tentatively scheduled to work from the mound as part of his rehab at some point late this week.
by JWO on Jun 9, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Penny I have no clue.
Holliday is just fine. Timing can be a bastard. Look at his rate stats, and it’s tough to understand why everyone is so frustrated with him. (Of course, having seen the games, I understand, but the point remains.)
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by the red baron on Jun 9, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
If I were casting for a remake of the movie "Twins",
I would take Miles and Stavinoha. Otherwise, nyet.
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by the red baron on Jun 9, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Related, but not...
How does a contract like Miles’ work as far as “optioning” and moving up and down from the minors? Is it a DFA situation if they’re looking to send him down?
yeah
he would have to be placed on waivers (which he would clear) and then agree to a minor league assignment
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
if mo called MLB for the waiver paperwork
I get the feeling Selig’s secretary would just laugh at him and say “Yeah, whatever, put him on the bus.”
by DanUpBaby on Jun 9, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
also
Jay over Winn’er?
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 9, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Personally, I would.
Not a fan of the Randy Winn move. Just more vetlove bullshit, as far as I’m concerned. (By the way, does anyone else taste blood in the back of their throat every time they hear the phrase ‘winning player’?)
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by the red baron on Jun 9, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Usually, yes
But I don’t know much about the dynamics of this team off the field. Do you think there could be problems with some of the younger players not having the work ethic or discipline that the management wants to see? In those instances, the veteran player who is about as valuable can be helpful in the short and long term. I think, but I don’t have any scientific support.
It's possible,
but I have no way of analysing that notion one way or the other. Because I can’t speak to its veracity one way or the other, I really have no option but to remain agnostic on things like that. Give me good players over nebulous ‘clubhouse guys’.
I don’t deny those could be factors, but I also can’t really know either way.
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by the red baron on Jun 9, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Agree
I think you are right, and I would prefer our youngsters.
I do still try to give LaDunc the benefit of the doubt, and I try to figure out what might actually be their thought process.
I just didn’t know if anyone new anything about the inside workings.
I've been in the clubhouse,
but not enough to see how it really works on an interpersonal level. (And most of the media types who tell you they do know how it works are full of shit, by the way. Joe Strauss, I’m looking in your direction.)
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by the red baron on Jun 9, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
What?!
I shouldn’t listen to everything Strauss says? Uh-oh.
While near the subject, do you think Rasmus is lazy or lackadaisical? Those accusations irritate me, but I would like some reassurance that he is not.
He is neither.
It’s just JD Drew all over again. Drew did everything easily, so it looked like he was never trying all that hard. There were plenty of reasons to find Drew grating, from shoving Jesus down your throat to constant nagging injuries, but he wasn’t lazy or lackadaisical. He just looked like it all came easy to him. Same with Clobbi.
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by the red baron on Jun 9, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Drew
I agree, but I hate that comparison on a personal level. Drew still irritates me. I love listening to Bill Simmons complain about him. It makes me unreasonably happy.
I really enjoy watching Colby. I feel like he is making a lot of adjustments and learning as he goes.
Really, though, I am not sure why I prefer Colby to Drew. Maybe it is the god thing…
That was always my biggest problem with Drew.
I tried not to let it bug me, but it did to a ridiculous degree. Also, Drew just had something in his personality that made him tough to like, I think. Some people are just that way. On the field, though, I think the complaints about him were far, far out of line.
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by the red baron on Jun 9, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe it was the injuries
If you recall, the most numbers of games that Drew played during a season for the cardinals was 135, which he played twice, and the rest of the time, he played only a few above 100.
So says, Titus Pullo (formerly The Dude)
Although the chance is slim, if they are able to sign Wilson,
should they send him directly to McGwire this offseason to let Mac help him with some of the mechanics of his swing? Could help give the kid a head start for when he enters his first full season of pro ball. It’d be nice to get the basics of his swing in line, and let the minor league system help his swing progress from there.
Also, should Cox see some time with Mac this offseason? On second thought, Cox would probably see time in the AFL.
RFL for GG!
Tough to say.
I think you’re right, Cox will likely see time in the AFL. As far as Wilson if he signs, I have no idea what would be the best path to take. Getting him some time with an instructor who would encourage him to be more selective might be just what the doctor ordered.
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by the red baron on Jun 9, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I've also heard his swing can be very off balanced at times
and his mechanics can be poor (but what raw HS player doesn’t have that problem). I think the best scenario to help him be successful is to stabilize his mechanics ASAP, to prevent an early lapse in his development.
You are right though, an instructor who can help teach him plate discipline and pitch recognition should be a priority. I think Mac adequately fulfills all those needs.
RFL for GG!
True.
His swing does need work, as he’s been able to just talent his way through until now. With his work ethic, I think he should easily be able to make any adjustments necessary, though.
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by the red baron on Jun 9, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
"Off Balance Swing"
Is usually scout speak for guys that are not recognising off-spead stuff.
True.
Get him to recognise breaking balls better, and he probably looks better at the plate as well.
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by the red baron on Jun 9, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
5th Starter
Who should be the 5th starter until Penny comes back?
Hawk
Lynn
Walters
Pedro
Smoltz
Suppan
Puppykicker
Other?
I know this may be unpopular (and I know it is not what will happen) but I think I would run PJ out there a few more times. I just don’t know what is left for him to do in Memphis.
Oy.
That’s a rough question. Personally, I would give Pedro a call, see if he could get ready any time soon. If not, um, I don’t know. I would love to say Smoltz, but by all accounts he’s nowhere near baseball shape. (Though I would still call and tell him to be ready about midseason; we need bullpen help.)
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by the red baron on Jun 9, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I think that is right
Pedro and Smoltz should be called but they are not likely available anytime soon anyway.
Is KMac simply too valuable...
in the pen to warrant a shot? He played well enough this spring to get a shot, just not as well as Garcia. Give Salas a shot at the “non-primary” set-up spot, and put K-Mac in the rotation?
If you see a guy open the car door for his girlfriend, either the car is new or the girlfriend is.
Well, I think the continued development of Motte makes the removal of KMac from the pen
more tolerable, especially with Salas available to fill in for Motte’s ROOGY role. Motte may still be too much of a ROOGY to adequately take KMac’s spot in set-up though. It’s a tough call.
RFL for GG!
That's actually an interesting idea,
and I always forget about K-Mac. Personally, I don’t think he’ll be any good as a starter either, but it would be worth a try, at the very least.
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by the red baron on Jun 9, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
My biggest concern wouldn't be McClellan's value in the 'pen,
but rather the fact he’s not at all conditioned for throwing more than about four outs at a time. Trying to stretch a guy out in-season like this is dicey business.
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by the red baron on Jun 9, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Agree
I posted the other day that going Hawksworth — Walters instead of Walters — Hawksworth just made no sense to me. Why did TLR think Hawk could be stretched out that much? Just send him down then and let him get stretched out.
I’m not that much of a fan of McClellan starting. He has been okay in his current role and I don’t think he is conditioned to start. I would prefer continuing to allow PJ to start or I guess bringing up Lynn.
Hawk's options
Isn’t he out of options? He would have to get through waivers, I thought.
He would.
Puts a real crimp in things. (Of course, they could have just used his groin pull as an excuse to send him on a rehab and stretch him out, but apparently it was more important to just go with a short ’pen for a week or two.)
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by the red baron on Jun 9, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah
he hasn’t been a starter for quite some time now
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 9, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Starter by committee
Give 2-3 innings to to 3 relievers, then close it with Franklin over 1-2 innings.
Alright, it’s not going to happen, but I’d love to see it.
Jobu needs a refill
the other thing is
at this point in the season we don’t really need a fifth starter much
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 9, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
PJ Walters
is probably a career minor leaguer, I think. He just doesn’t have big league talent.
babip giveth... and babip taketh away
i think i agree
i love the secondary stuff, but when you just cant get ahead with that horrible fastball, no-one’s going to bite on anything out of the zone and they can just sit on the 88mph cheese.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 10, 2010 6:07 AM EDT up reply actions
an FYI to all
We Drafted Benes!
While Spinning.
How much were yours? 34 dollars. You know you got a pay raise... right?
though I wouldn't kick her
out of my bed.
While Spinning.
How much were yours? 34 dollars. You know you got a pay raise... right?
Oddly enough,
Julia Dreyfuss is literally three or four times more attractive now than she was twenty years ago.
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by the red baron on Jun 9, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
i kind of think they purposely made her look frumpy on seinfeld
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
the shoulder pads
didn’t help at all either.
While Spinning.
How much were yours? 34 dollars. You know you got a pay raise... right?
add in the horn-rims
and thumbs and well….
While Spinning.
How much were yours? 34 dollars. You know you got a pay raise... right?
Yada yada yada?
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
by fourstick on Jun 9, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's possible.
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by the red baron on Jun 9, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, Courtney Cox is.
Jennifer Aniston, however, is not. (Eating a sandwich would probably help a lot, though.)
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by the red baron on Jun 9, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
i also think beauty standards change a lot over time - partially due to fashion trends
so we see a 1994 courtney cox and think she looks better now, but that’s because anyone who looks like 1994 in 2010 almost surely doesn’t look good. she was probably hot in 1994.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
This is also true.
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by the red baron on Jun 9, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, yeah. I mean no. Let's see...
What you say is not only untrue, but deliberately misleading! You appear foolish in the eyes of others! Your personal hygiene leaves much to be desired!
Better?
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by the red baron on Jun 9, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, but I never thought she was hot back in 1994 through the early 00's.
I do have a thing for older women though, so maybe that’s what it is.
RFL for GG!
I disagree
I very much prefer “kinda chubby 1994 Jennifer Aniston” to 2010 skinny Jennifer Aniston.
So there.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Definitely.
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by the red baron on Jun 9, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Although
It could be the very idea that she was “chubby” in 1994 that makes her skinny today.
Heaven has brick walls and St. Peter is a red bird.
by EinFesteBusch on Jun 9, 2010 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions
She's also LOADED
Quite possibly the richest woman alive actually.
So this makes her infinitely more attractive in my book.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
so what are your thoughts on oprah?
"...and pujols has given st louis the lead"
The Best Defensive Play I Have Seen in Person
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I have no opinion on Oprah
Outside of her taking up residence on my DVR since I’ve been married.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
I included a no Oprah clause in my marriage contract
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
Bastard
I was tricked — she never watched Oprah that year we lived together. Never even DVR’d it. I think there’s something about being a married mom that changed the dynamic or something.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
That's why I've never taught my wife how to use the DVR
Baseball fans are junkies, and their heroin is the statistic
-Robert S. Wieder
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Jun 9, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't say that.
I’m getting married in two weeks. She doesn’t even pretend to like Oprah, which has worked out quite nicely for me. Now you’re telling me that the possibility lies in wait that she may take to her since we are also expecting! Dammit! That’s not what I signed up for!
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 9, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Tread lightly, friend
You’re also going to come home one day and be asked why you aren’t following the investing advice of Suze Orman as well.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Somebody shoot me.
Just get it the eff over with and just shoot me now. Thanks for the heads up.Don’t know what I could do to fend it off, at least I won’t get blind-sided.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 9, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
My Answer:
“Sorry, if we don’t follow the investing advice of the galactically STUPID.”
Alas, my wife is not a fan of “A Few Good Men”.
Then show her our portfolio and how well we’ve done since we got married and I took over her investment allocations, compared to how cable tv nitwits have done on their investing advice
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
It's a shame she's not a fan. That was when Cruise was at the top of his game.
Not that he was ever Lawrence Olivier or Anthony Hopkins.
The one way to beat bad advice is to prove without a doubt that it is bad. and hope that the other person has enough sense to realize it.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 9, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
on another Cruise note.
Funny how his whole career got derailed by Oprah’s couch.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 9, 2010 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions
also beware the Dr's
Phil & Oz
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
Can't stand either one of them.
Luckily, neither can she.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 9, 2010 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Nowhere near it.
She’s not even in the top ten in the U.S., much less the rest of the world. The Walton family has 3 in the U.S. top 10, including #1 and #2.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jun 9, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Well $1B liquid is enough for me
apparently not enough for Elin Nordegren.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
The late 80's/early 90's were not the high point of looking hot
VivaElBirdos: Celebrating glorious mustaches since 2009
by redbirdnation8206 on Jun 9, 2010 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I disagree
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
touche
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
that's hot
…ummm, i mean, reply fail. see, i was actually replying to regalia here…sbn’d…yeah, that’s the ticket.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
That comment has so much insight to it.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 9, 2010 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I think you meant "yum."
It was either him or Antonio Sabato, Jr. I went Marky-Mark.
Regression, bitches.
honestly that outfit is totally ridiculous
i agree she’s hot, but really.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
ridiculous like albert
she was my first true love…
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
i have a feeling that
it was a definite hat tip to the family to draft him into the system.
While Spinning.
How much were yours? 34 dollars. You know you got a pay raise... right?
the next Piazza?
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
Do you think...
…that the term ‘Strasturbated’ could catch on? As in Steven Strasburg Strasturbated all over that weak Pirates lineup?
by YepYouGuessedIt...CardinalRed on Jun 9, 2010 2:49 PM EDT reply actions
We're hoping like hell.
Death needs time for what it kills to grow in.
by the red baron on Jun 9, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Gave me a Strasburgasm?
"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols
I think it was the media who was "Strasturbating"
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
Wilson
If he was eligible and everything stays status quo with him, would Austin Wilson have been a top 15 pick in next years draft? Just wondering if we are getting worked up about a good player in a weak draft.
1.14.10, the day I went green.
Most likely, yes.
He really is that huge a talent. In a draft stronger on college position players, he might have been more of a latter half of the first, I suppose, simply because of the uncertainty factor, but a guy with his tools will always find his way to the heights of the draft board.
Death needs time for what it kills to grow in.
by the red baron on Jun 9, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I think so, yes.
Just compare what three mil could buy you in the draft, and what three mil will get you on the open market, free-agent wise. Sure, there’s lots of attrition in the draft, but the possible payoff a cost-controlled star can make up for a whoooollllle lot of misses compared to one Kyle Lohse contract.
Death needs time for what it kills to grow in.
by the red baron on Jun 9, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh I agree with that.
But my question is not about draft v free agent, its about is this kid really worth 3 million compared to what draft picks would get in a good to great draft. Im all for signing him, its not my money but I was just questioning whether he was overvalued because of the overall weakness of this draft. You think not so lets sign him.
1.14.10, the day I went green.
Ah, I understand.
Yeah, I think he would be worth that money regardless of the year. We gave Shelby Miller 2.875 mil last year, and Wilson is a very comparable talent.
Death needs time for what it kills to grow in.
by the red baron on Jun 9, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
that's assuming he actually improved coming out of Stanford
Stanford doesn’t have a great reputation for that.
babip giveth... and babip taketh away
yeah, what's the deal with that?
what a lousy reputation for a school to have, especially one that recruits blue-chip talent.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
after a couple days to play with it,
i am thoroughly impressed with this evo
coolest discovery so far is a driver for a bluetooth keyboard. that couple with the fact that i have a word processing app that syncs with google docs means i can not worry about lugging around my laptop to class and i can write papers or take notes on this thing. awesome
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
more thoughts:
the music player is all right, but not as good as iPhone. the EVO keyboard also isn’t as good as iPhone. ill probably have to upgrade the battery.
still between 4g, this big beautiful display, sprint tv, cheaper plan, etc., I’m satisfied with my purchase. the differences (not including the network) all pretty much even out. but with this data plan being $20 cheaper, the phone will have paid for itself in a year
when the double twist music player was pointed out to me:
yeah, that’s a bit better so far. i guess i’ve had an iphone for so long that it didn’t occur to me that if i didn’t like a native app i could actually, you know, use something else. i’d still like someone to just completely rip off the iphone music player with the cover flow and everything and put it in the android market. it’s very unlikely i find something i like as well as the iphone’s music player
as for the battery life, i don’t think it’s quite as bad as advertised. i had it off the charger for 10 hours yesterday before it was telling me to plug it in (<15%) and there was at least 4 hours of heavy usage in there throughout the day. it’s not exactly the two hours and dead that had been reported on some blogs. probably as good as the battery on my 2 year old iphone 3G which i was well accustomed to.
another thing that i just found that’s cool is a driver for a bluetooth keyboard. i don’t have one, but it seems cool, especially if you can control the entire OS with it instead of just text input
and damn, this thing is fast. i know i only have a 2 year old device to compare it to, but this thing switches from one app to the next incredibly fast. my old iphone was kind of a back up internet browser when i didn’t have anything else. if i got a foldable bluetooth keyboard, i could see myself not even taking my laptop to work and class and just using this thing. especially since i can get on 4G
edit: i can also sync it with my google docs. holy shit i could write papers on this thing
^and this is all supposed to be in a block quote, but it won’t work. whatever
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
I don't think the battery is that bad, either.
How do you sync to Google Docs? Teach me the ways.
Regression, bitches.
quick question
can you use flash on a blackberry? if so, how do you install it?
I'll leave this to Lao Tzu
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 9, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
No.
Youtube works, usually. It will load videos in the video player. Sometimes. All you can do is try to load a video and see what happens.
Regression, bitches.
I was hoping to be able to use last.fm but it's only on droid and iphone
I'll leave this to Lao Tzu
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 9, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
me too
since pandora is available. I just like last.fm better than pandora
I'll leave this to Lao Tzu
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 9, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
There is no flash player for any mobile device.
Not iPhone, not Pre, not BB, not EVO, not anything yet.
Death needs time for what it kills to grow in.
by the red baron on Jun 9, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Not full-featured.
I should have been more specific, I suppose. I beg your forgiveness.
Death needs time for what it kills to grow in.
by the red baron on Jun 9, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Thankee-sai, milady.
Death needs time for what it kills to grow in.
by the red baron on Jun 9, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
they should get that rollin
I'll leave this to Lao Tzu
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 9, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
CloudBrowse
is an app for the iphone that lets you use flash applications in your browser. It was free last time I checked. Be warned: clunky as hell, but its good enough to, say, load a grooveshark playlist in your browser and get it going.
there was also at some point
a URL you could put in your bookmarks and when you browsed to a page with flash on it, you could open the bookmarked URL and it would (supposedly) make the flash load. i never got it to work.
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
you can also tether for free without a root
using the pdanet app. just found that after hesitantly deciding against rooting for the moment
how’s your camera? mine sucks/is very grainy, but i remember the in store model being great. maybe i should go back to the store and compare.
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
yeah, i think i'm going to
number one reason i decided not to root yet
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
When something goes wrong with a cell, they order you a refurb.
If you act quickly, there shouldn’t be any refurbs to give you so they’d have to swap for a new phone.
Regression, bitches.
i see,
cool
there probably won’t be any phones period right now. when i walked into the store the dude told me that he “just found one in the back” and that he was skipping over 30 people to give it to me since i was there, maybe this one had already been returned or something
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
oh wow
when connected to pdanet, my text messages show up on my computer
very cool
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
speakers are solid for a phone
not completely offended when listening to music on it with no headphones
’course one of the two speakers on my iphone went out pretty shortly after i got it
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
not completely offended when listening to music on it with no headphones
I firmly believe that should be a capital offence.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 10, 2010 6:10 AM EDT up reply actions
5th starter, bullpen help, or something else for trade deadline?
or make no moves?
I'll leave this to Lao Tzu
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 9, 2010 3:10 PM EDT reply actions
Hmm.
Now, I would say maybe a starter. Deadline time, I don’t know yet. Maybe bullpen. I fully expect Penny back long before the deadline.
Death needs time for what it kills to grow in.
by the red baron on Jun 9, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
personally I'd like to get closer insurance
I just don’t trust franklin in the playoffs, or even down the stretch for that matter. that said, he looks really great this season… but last season he was doing great but the last month and the playoffs I didn’t have any confidence in him
I'll leave this to Lao Tzu
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 9, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
just imagine in the playoffs
we run Waino, Carp and Garcia out there, then we have Miller, Motte and Franklin as set up guys for maybe… Heath Bell?
I'll leave this to Lao Tzu
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 9, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
or maybe even
make Penny the closer for the playoffs? now that would be an interesting idea.
I'll leave this to Lao Tzu
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 9, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
with that said
I think Penny would make one hell of a closer in about 2-3 years. Much like when Smoltz moved to closer.
RFL for GG!
I'm too lazy to look at numbers
but my white sox fan buddy seems to think Jenks is out the door soon. any value there?
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
could be
he hasn’t been as effective lately, but he’s no suppan either
I'll leave this to Lao Tzu
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 10, 2010 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions
MIF
The three-headed monster (Lopex, Skip, & Boog) has not been good. Maybe even the reason why we’re struggling to stay ahead of the Redlegs. In looking at their numbers at Fangraphs, NL average wOBA for 2b is .324, Cards .281. For SS, NL average is .313, Cards .298. Our fielding UZR & UZR/150 are both negative, which would be okay if the three were hitting like Tulo or Uggla, or Chase Utley.
I think replacing 1 or 2 of these players is more of a priority than anything else.
"They're so stunned they didn't even boo!"
John Rooney 5/3/10 referring to Philly fans on Cards 5-run 7th inning
descalso anyone?
"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."
Austin Wilson, please don't be a tease!
Eckstein anyone?
"They're so stunned they didn't even boo!"
John Rooney 5/3/10 referring to Philly fans on Cards 5-run 7th inning
Really, I can't see why Greene's not up
if it really IS a meritocracy, we’ve absolutely stunk in the MIF and our erstwhile first-round draft pick (who is also a better fielder than everyone except Boog) is OPSing about .900 in triple A. What have we got to lose? Greene strikes out a lot but, seriously, so have Ryan and Schu this year. And don’t get me started on Aaron F’ing Miles again.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 10, 2010 6:11 AM EDT up reply actions
TLR
Since we talked about "The Russian" earlier in the thread, do you think he’s back for 2011? I’m not a fan of his, and a lot of th time I think that we are winning in spite of him.
And would a La Russa departure mean a Dave Duncan departure?
Adios Esposito.
Adios Sarge. Say a prayer for Surf Boy...wherever he is.
If Albert walks,
TLR gets his walking papers.
Adios Esposito.
Adios Sarge. Say a prayer for Surf Boy...wherever he is.
Yes, I think he comes back.
Honestly, I don’t think Tony retires until his health forces him to. He might think he wants to, but I don’t think he could walk away if he isn’t forced.
And yeah, I think he and Dunc are a package deal. Maybe not both ways, but if TLR leaves Duncan is gone.
Death needs time for what it kills to grow in.
by the red baron on Jun 9, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
unless albert becomes player/manager
mwuhuhuhuh
I'll leave this to Lao Tzu
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 9, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
a brain
so, maybe he can’t manage. but he seems to be well respected and not a dumb guy. so he should be able to. plus if we sign him we will need all the extra cash to spare.
I'll leave this to Lao Tzu
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 9, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I like Duncan
I honestly think most anyone with some baseball experience could manage an MLB team. When you look at guys like Torre, Girardi, Baker, even some of the facile errors TLR seems to frequently make these days, the bar isn’t high. I actually think LaRussa is above-average or even better as a manager but, like I said, the bar is L-O-W. I don’t think we’d especially miss him, but nor do I necessarily think there’s anyone I know of who’d do the job better.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 10, 2010 6:14 AM EDT up reply actions
hey where do you usually post
can I go haze and troll them? that’d be fun
I'll leave this to Lao Tzu
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 10, 2010 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
man
that would be crazy to all of a sudden have 51 states. i’m all for it
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
monosyllabic is way too big
for me to know for sure what it means, but I think it may have made a paradox.
Suddenly the vice-president has no role.
You can’t have a tied vote with 51.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 9, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Dammit, You just had to mess up my dream world.
I need sleep.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 9, 2010 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions
your dream world is one in which we have an uneven number of senators so the VP doesn't get to break a tie vote?
maybe you need something other than sleep
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
You're probably right about needing more than sleep.
I tend to find that most of the individuals that hold the office of VP are people that I wouldn’t trust with a potato gun. Let alone to wield that kind of decision making power. Let the senators work it out for themselves which way the vote goes.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 9, 2010 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions
This is the interwebs.
I don’t take much very seriously. And this time of year, I usually need some correction on things. Stress and lack of sleep.lol
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 9, 2010 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions
but if it's multiples of two, you can have a tied vote with any number of states, by that rationale.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 10, 2010 6:15 AM EDT up reply actions
About time
I didn’t want to go through live not seeing a state enter the Union. You’re off the hook British Columbia…for now.
Adios Esposito.
Adios Sarge. Say a prayer for Surf Boy...wherever he is.
life not live
Typo City today.
Adios Esposito.
Adios Sarge. Say a prayer for Surf Boy...wherever he is.
unfortunately
69 stars is not feasible.
"...and pujols has given st louis the lead"
The Best Defensive Play I Have Seen in Person
follow me on teh twitterz @greenfieldt
I'm smelling a porn joke here.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 9, 2010 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Never...
never, ever, ever, ever, ever
Cards buy puerto rico and give it to wilson for signing? Plausible.
check out VEB on facebook...just search groups for Viva El Birdos
now THAT is creativity
"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."
Austin Wilson, please don't be a tease!
Red Baron - I'm switching my cats to a wet food diet.
Which food is the best? (I’m assuming that you are all-knowing and can help me solve this problem.)
Regression, bitches.
I buy Fancy Feast for mine occasionally as a treat,
but keep them on a dry food diet because it’s better for their teeth. As far as nutritive content goes, try Wellness brand canned food. It’s probably your best choice after a raw food diet as far as actual nutrition goes. Royal Canin is fantastic as well, and I’ve had better luck actually getting cats to eat it. (I had a cat years back with lots of health problems and had to put her on a special diet. She like Royal Canin very well, and it has excellent nutritive value.)
Death needs time for what it kills to grow in.
by the red baron on Jun 9, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
One has to eat Royal Canin Urinary formula.
I was thinking Wellness, but it’s so damn pricey. Thanks RB!
Regression, bitches.
Welcome.
Death needs time for what it kills to grow in.
by the red baron on Jun 9, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Doing the same
Vet called it a “Catkins Diet.”
Adios Esposito.
Adios Sarge. Say a prayer for Surf Boy...wherever he is.
Oh, and
Drs. Foster and and Smith is really great as well, but seems really pricey.
Death needs time for what it kills to grow in.
by the red baron on Jun 9, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Going back to Wilson
is there any precedent for a situation like this – we offer him $2m, with the proviso that he can go to college. He plays in Cape Cod in the summer, or even for the JC Cardinals or something, but he’s allowed to basically have 3 years of normal college, THEN, when he’s, 21 I guess (?) he’s under our control full time.
It surprises me that people haven’t tried that before – of course it could be that there’s a rule against it or something but it seems to make sense from both parties – Wilson gets his college schooling and gets to go to Stanford, he gets his late first round money, and he gets the security of a pro contract. Meanwhile, we get a first-round talent (albeit in 3 years, somewhat older with only some summer and short-season baseball seasoning) for relatively little money.
We could even pay him gradually over the period and/or pay for his schooling. Thoughts, or is this simply ridiculous?
Still bitching to contact.
It was done a couple years ago,
with a kid named Jake McCreary, I think. I don’t recall the club. Possibly Washington? The contract was built so that he could attend school (at Stanford, actually, come to think of it), and pitch during the summer. I don’t think he’s done much since, but the contract is certainly an interesting example of creative thinking to get a player under club control.
Death needs time for what it kills to grow in.
by the red baron on Jun 9, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Pardon me.
It’s McGeary, not McCreary.
Death needs time for what it kills to grow in.
by the red baron on Jun 9, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I think
as long as it’s understood that he won’t be able to play ball for his university (or any other sport, for that matter) , that this could work. He loses amateur eligibility, obviously.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jun 9, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
he could play another sport
at least he would be eligible to – not that we would allow it, but danny ainge did this, playing summers for the blue jays (3b, iirc) while he attended byu playing basketball.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Here you go.
Story on McGeary’s arrangement.
Death needs time for what it kills to grow in.
by the red baron on Jun 9, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd love to do that
and I think it would also keep the league’s head office off our back a little bit for shooting so heavily over-slot.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 9, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
It looks like this idea may have already crossed the the FO's mind...
"Usually, kids who have those kinds of options are seen as almost unsignable. But we’ve gotten to know him and his family the last few years. We’ll see exactly what he wants and what his family wants. And maybe we can figure out how to come to some mutual meeting of the minds.
RFL for GG!
If he works that out, I would almost kiss Luhnow on all four cheeks.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 9, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
...use the towel.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
If it works out
I imagine we don’t sign almost anybody below pick 3, and probably Jenkins will walk as well. That said, I’d rather have Wilson than Jenkins. Marginally prefer Cox, though.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 10, 2010 6:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Hopefully Wilson works out better
McGeary is going into Tommy John.
babip giveth... and babip taketh away
i'm wondering if there could be a catch
wilson was admitted to stanford as a baseball player. is it possible he wouldn’t have otherwise been admitted, and that if he isn’t going to play they could pull his admission? assuming he specifically wants to go to stanford, that could possibly pose a problem.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I would bet that if they threw enough money at it
the problem would go away.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 9, 2010 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I get the feeling with colleges
that enough money can make just about ANY problem go away….
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 10, 2010 6:17 AM EDT up reply actions
That's an excellent idea.
Death needs time for what it kills to grow in.
by the red baron on Jun 9, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Matias
Anyone hear what round Carlos Matias would have went in (approx.) if he was draft eligible?
Baseball makes the world go 'round, or at least in my world it does.
I think it's hard to tell, given much of what we've heard is rumor from a couple of scouts and some grainy video on youtube
if the suggestion that he throws high 90s WITH control and a supposed workable breaking pitch, AND he’s really 18, he’s a top 10 talent, i’d say. Definitely first round.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 9, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Impossible to say, with the age stuff and everything.
Based on talent, though, if he were a high school kid you’d have to put him up there with Taillon as having the best pure stuff of any kid in the draft.
Death needs time for what it kills to grow in.
by the red baron on Jun 9, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, that's all for me, folks.
Gotta go for now. Have a lovely afternoon, and I’ll have a game thread up around 8:30.
Death needs time for what it kills to grow in.
Royals have a gigantic speech from some old guy drafting the great-great-great nephew of Shoeless Joe Jackson
for their last pick.
wrapping up over here … see the links!
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Man, you get the merit badge Medal of Honor for that.
Nice work
Baseball fans are junkies, and their heroin is the statistic
-Robert S. Wieder
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Jun 9, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
thank y'all
it was mind-numbing towards the end. not even the names were interesting!
that Royals ramble … oh man, I wish there were a recording of that. it was senility and/or some dude on his yard with a folding chair and ten stories for every baseball card. that was the best part.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Yeah day 3 is kinda pointless
dunno why it’s even televised, really. Pretty much every even vaguely interesting name is gone by rounds 5-10 (obviously excepting Wilson this year).
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 10, 2010 6:18 AM EDT up reply actions
to be fair to the Drew Benes thing
the Cardinals picked him a full 15 rounds after the sons of all the managers were picked up.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I've never understood this I guess
Do those kids put that on their resume or something? As like an “accomplishment”?
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
not sure about this, but...
how about this for an accomplishment…
I have a love/hate relationship with the Cardinals' middle relief corps. | Cards on Cards
If that was supposed to get me to like him,
it didn’t really work.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 9, 2010 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it's more the teams who want that to be known
also, several would call back and add that previous picks were the sons-of. presumably…… somebody called and said to mention daddy dearest.
Ms Dulcet Tones had her place taken for a round so some gentleman could announce that someone taken yesterday was a Junior.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
OT: record at cardinals games
i saw something recently on espn’s website called the sports passport. i saw that you could enter what sports games you’ve been to, and after a while the site would spit back results. when it comes to cardinals games, here’s what i’ve found:
7-7 (.500) overall, 4-2 (.666) at home games, 3-5 (.375) on the road (i have regular season detroit tigers games to thank for most of the road losses).
Albert's grand slam, 7/3/09
@zoomzoomj88
Boog's stache is back!
Aaron Miles, Tony? Really?
I'm 1-1 overall!
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 10, 2010 6:47 AM EDT up reply actions
If I had to guess, I'm probably something like 35-15
or so.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Who is going to VEB day and who is going to the Tap Room on the 15th?
I know I am going to VEB day for sure and I might stop by the Tap room after work on the 15th.
I'll be there....gonna miss the tap room though,
I’ll be at the game.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Yes and yes.
You jerks will see me twice in one week.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
I don't have words...Lineup
Lopez ss
Miles 3B
Pujols 1b
Holliday LF
Ludwick RF
Molina C
Winn CF
Skip 2b
Wain P
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
wtf is that supposed to be?
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
puke
on a crap sandwich
I have a love/hate relationship with the Cardinals' middle relief corps. | Cards on Cards
indian food wrapped in a dirty diaper.
Big foot’s dick.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
it keeps getting worse
i won’t even get into the names on that list, but couldn’t tony have at least batted winn second instead of miles?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
so?
it’s just my opinion, but i think in that lineup he should bat second. i had no problem with him second yesterday either, tbh, but then again i don’t really have any problem with winn being on this team as a 4th outfielder, though i know he’s not all that popular of a choice.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
He'll be the first off the bench.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 9, 2010 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions
over under for errors by the left side of our infield tonight?
I’m gonna say 3.
Waino needs either 20 Ks
or 20 FOs tonight
"They're so stunned they didn't even boo!"
John Rooney 5/3/10 referring to Philly fans on Cards 5-run 7th inning
you're going to the game, right?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
hahaha oh that sucks.
unless you see alyssa milano. then it still sucks but atleast the spank bank would be filled.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
He's from SoCal.
He’s probably used to women that look like that.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 9, 2010 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions
i had a dream last night that waino pitched a scoreless gem
and kershaw was great but the cards managed to score a couple. then franklin came on in the ninth and nailed it down. well, tbh, i woke up before the game actually ended – there was a flyball to left and this guy next to me jumped up and screamed “game over” so loudly it’s likely that’s what woke me up. so anyway, i’d bet anything we won – even if it was only a dream, still a good omen i suppose.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
i wanted to change it up a bit
didn’t want to hurt any feelings.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
That sounds strangely like a game that occured last Oct.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 9, 2010 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions
That's some kinda bad fucking joke, right?
You’re just screwing with us, aren’t ya RR? RR, you had better be screwing with us. It’s either that or TLR has just gone round the bend.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 9, 2010 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions
That line-up is about as f'd up as a football bat.
I’m sure it could get worse, just not sure how within reason.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 9, 2010 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I would hope not.
You always seemed like a straight up individual.
Preemptive TWSS?
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 9, 2010 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions
at least it's some crappy lefty so maybe skip has a chance
never heard of the guy, anyway – kershaw…something like that.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
He won't actually be batting
as much as just standing in the box while holding a bat.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
i would have even been less pissed off if miles was at 2b, boog at SS, flopex at 3B
this is a shit storm waiting to happen
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
Right, because at least
Boog has the range to cover half of 3rd and 2b’s territory.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
now I'm paranoid
WHAT DID THEY DO TO BRENDAN RYAN
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
he's turning over a new leaf (SSS be damned!)
By Breakdown AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB HBP SO SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS
vs. Left 32 5 10 1 1 0 4 3 0 7 0 0 .313 .361 .406 .767
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
that didn't work like it was supposed to
in 35 PA he has a line of .313/.361/.406
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
since we are doing SSS
any idea what he is vs. kershaw? maybe he’s 2-5 or something so tony likes the matchup – lol.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
0-4 w/ 3 K
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
so he's due
tony really is brilliant sometimes. we should all stop and remind ourselves of that every time before questioning any of his decisions.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
i need a towel
to wipe up the vomit.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
by IHeartBoog on Jun 9, 2010 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
towels: multi-functional
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
would MUCH rather see flopex at 3B and Boog at SS
it makes so much more sense that way!
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
i mean now boog is losing playing time to aaron miles
and as bad as boog has been offensively, he’s NOT NEARLY AS BAD AS AARON MILES
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
.325/.395/.512 at AAA with +defense < .279/.362/.344 at AA with -defense
This is so fucking stupid.
Not afraid to nitpick
Miles is certainly due to regress from his .333 OPS to the .466 OPS of last year though
Not afraid to nitpick
He might have fallen off another cliff
Dude is like Wile E. Coyote.
babip giveth... and babip taketh away
Soooper Geeenius
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 9, 2010 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions
That is TLR's line
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Why is this not green?
babip giveth... and babip taketh away
by purple_haze on Jun 9, 2010 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
ok, i gave you a rec
now if five others do, then your comment will be green. (but honestly, i don’t know why it’s so important to you.)
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Jun 9, 2010 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
not my comment
JD is Legend’s
babip giveth... and babip taketh away
by purple_haze on Jun 9, 2010 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
rec
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Jun 9, 2010 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
rec'd
babip giveth... and babip taketh away
by purple_haze on Jun 9, 2010 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Has there been a worse infield defense for the Cards in the last 25 years?
I can’t remember one.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jun 9, 2010 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I would think you'd need to go back farther than that.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 9, 2010 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Cooper, Cromer, Hemond, and Coles?
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
TLR
“Here’s the lineup. Yeah, I figured since we won the first two games of this series, we’ve already got the series wrapped up, we could get some scrubs in. What’s that? You say we didn’t win the first two games of this series? We actually lost them? Well…….shit.”
After some time to mull over this lineup....
I’m afraid I’m gonna get tossed out of Busch on Monday if Tony trots this crap out there……I’ll be close enough to be heard in the dugout. Probably ruin my whole vacation, as I’ll end up being banned at Busch for life.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
parking pass?
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jun 9, 2010 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I remembered but it's probably too late to send it....
We’ll have to figure out a way to meet up on Monday afternoon or something..
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Do it. ESPN is covering the game, so we'll all get to see you.
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
he should make a big "TLR - super genius" sign so we know it's him
or he could be really clever with the spelling of “super” if, as chances are, jeff suppan is pitching that day.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
let's see
Effin
La Russa
super
genius
line up the bolds……….
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
haha
soup-er, though, to honor the man who will be on the mound just for river rat that day
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
could add some vowels to stretch it out.
(cold, man. cold!)
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
this fits well with the lineup
tony talking about adding starting pitching:
“I’m confident that Moz and our scouts are staying abreast of our situation but honestly I don’t think anything will show up before next week when we play Seattle,” La Russa said. “You just can’t give the club the vibe that things aren’t fair right now. These games still count.”
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
wow, i may not even wanna watch the game tonight. what a gross looking lineup.
Waino is literally the like 6th best hitter in that lineup.
"The outfield is deep and playing him straight-away, and the infield is the same, except first, second, third, and short are playing him to pull."
-Mike Shannon
The one thing I will definitely be rooting for though
Is Miles to go 0-4 so he could crack the .100 OPS barrier.
Not afraid to nitpick
I'm just going to go to the gym tonight and act like this game isn't happening.
…and then give in and tune into the game while I run and cry at the same time.
"If I'm in a slump, I ask myself for advice" - Ichiro
Weeping while exercising burns 150x the calories!*
*I made that up
Regression, bitches.
by spants on Jun 9, 2010 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
OT: ESPN announces Nebraska is leaving the Big 12 for the Big 10
The domino train has started.
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
do the conferences switch names now?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
It will be tough for the Big 10 to change its name
Given the branding they have done on their network and the like.
Sounds like the Big 10 might fuck Mizzou over like a Dan Haren trade
And who wouldn’t have seen that coming.
Not afraid to nitpick
but Gordo says that he can't see it ending badly for Mizzou
[sarcasm]
In that article he doesn’t explain where it is they will land if the Big 10 says no thanks yet he suggests that he can’t see a bad outcome.
Here’s your bad outcome — Nebraska to the Big 10, Big 12 South goes to the Pac 10 and Mizzou and Kansas are left to join…???
Mizzou, welcome to CUSA.
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Big 12 South minus Baylor plus Colorado
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
I still think the Big 10 gives us the invite
It’s alllllll about money and specifically getting the .70 cents a subscriber for the BTNetwork instead of .10 cents, and KC/STL along with the rest of Missouri would be a significant state to add to that region.
Not afraid to nitpick
Plus, the already built in rivlary with Illnois
by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 9, 2010 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions
It makes sense, but that gives them 13 members.
Need a 14th for balance. Iowa St?
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
I doubt Maryland leaves the ACC.
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
The ACC is pretty solid.
It’s geographically tight (save the BC silliness), and stronger in a historical sense than the Big 12 and based on basketball more than football.
It would take some serious shuffling to crack it, like space opening up in the SEC.
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Well I mean the ACC might be the bulk of things
But if ND goes to the Big 10 it almost certainly would drag a Big East player or two with it from what I hear, and that would essentially sink the Big East and leave EVERYONE scrambling.
Not afraid to nitpick
Nah
Syracuse, Rutgers, ND go to “Big 16”
SEC raids Clemson, Georgia Tech, FSU, Miami
ACC raids remainder of Big East
Adios Big East and Big 12
that makes a lot of sense
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
If Bear Bryant doesn't stop GT from joining the SEC again.
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
I disapprove of the spelling of Illinois.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 9, 2010 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions
So my high school catcher, who is now a pitcher, got drafted by the Cards
He only caught in high school, but he had a cannon arm and I suspect he’s throwing at least 90 now.
Pretty fun to have a guy I personally know in the system.
aha! I remember him
it’s a pity Ms Dulcet Tones was not charged with mentioning hometowns. I would’ve noted that.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
hey!! I know what we need — an informative yet depressing link!
http://thecardinalnationblog.com/2010/06/09/the-cardinals-bud-norris-club/
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
fantastic news
today, Randy Winn turns 36. years! yeah, I know!
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I remember when he was a wee lad with the Highlanders.
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
gotta hand it to ozzie guillen
the sox draft another of his sons, but now he’s pissed because they didn’t draft him high enough:
http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20100608&content_id=10955564
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
LaRue looks like he just got out of prison.
omg where is the stache.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
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