The 2010 Draft, the 2009 Draft
by DanUpBaby on Jun 8, 2010 6:00 AM EDT
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PrintHousekeeping: I'm excited to be able to finally announce this, because it's been in the works for a while: This month SB Nation is launching its new regional hubs—here's Arizona, as an example—and I've been tapped to edit the St. Louis edition. It launches June 15. The immediate goal is to offer more breaking news and broader pieces there while keeping VEB (as well as our sister-blogs, Turf Show Times and St. Louis Game Time) free to do less SEO and more analysis, long-form work, and doggerel.
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Day one of the Cardinals' 2010 draft offered something for all temperaments.
Do you like hitters who fall due to signability issues? Zach Cox was all over the place in mock drafts, and Keith Law liked him, so there's that. He falls into the distinctly unexciting subset of top draft hitters that in previous classes has produced Brett Wallace and Daric Barton (who managed to be exciting anyway because of his borderline Dominican age relative to league)—he hits line drives but shows off less power than his size and skill would indicate, he's worked a lot on his strikeouts, etc. But production takes a lot of different forms, as even Daric Barton himself has recently proved. Hitting for a high average with a lot of doubles and 15 or 25 home runs, like, say, the 2008-2009 version of Matt Holliday holds as legitimate a claim on a .900 OPS as any other method. If he can stick at second base he will have made Daniel Descalso's day much worse.
As for what happens if Cox ends up a third baseman for good, Freese seems like a fixture right now but drafting for need is bad news for baseball teams. So much can happen—to players on each side of the divide—between a draft and a Major League debut that it makes sense to pick the best player available and worry about blocked traffic at a position when it comes to that. And while it's nearly as foolish to choose based on prospect-list need, I'm happy most of all that the Cardinals have a top position-player prospect to replace the departed Wallace, the graduated Rasmus, and the faded Jones.
Do you like traditional Cardinals draft picks? Are you looking for another in the long line of Ottavinian, Lambertian right-handed college pitchers with "electric" fastballs, grounder tendencies, and spotty command for a collegian? To the members of this refined admiration society the Cardinals offer Seth Blair, the 46th pick in the draft, who sits 90-93, has thrown mid-to-high-nineties at least once, and struggles with command of all three-to-four of his pitches.
He's small for a right hander, so no matter how successful he is we'll always have to deal with the possibility that he gets Jess Todd-ed sometime in the high minors. But as the most signable of the Cardinals' three day-one picks this trip to their traditional stomping grounds was necessary for the more adventurous picks that sandwiched it. My hope—and presumably the Cardinals'—is that he signs quickly, blows through the low minors with his stuff, and then gets the chance, in the high minors, to correct it. (Secondarily, I hope he's more successful upon blowing through the low minors than Chris Lambert or Adam Ottavino.)
Do you like exotic high school pitchers? Tyrell Jenkins, replacer of Joel Pineiro, has a chance to be the second guy in Major League history named Tyrell and has a football scholarship offer on the table from Baylor. He's tall and skinny, he throws hard or will In The Future, etc. With high school pitchers we are at the mercy of scouts and projectability; I can tell you what he's supposed to throw now, but what I'm really saying—and what the Cardinals are really drafting—is that when people watch him it looks like he will be better than he is now. I can't tell you much about the player, but I approve of the draft mindset that produced his selection. I also dig the leg kick.
But for now, we wait. For the usual look into the Luhnow mindset I offer this link from the Globe-Democrat.
After the jump, a look at a draft we've now officially had one year to evaluate. Ladies and gentlemen, the Shelby Miller Draft: Year one.
Round one, pick 19: RHP Shelby Miller: Immediately after Moneyball came out, featuring the incomparable Billy Beane laughing at teams so foolish as to acquire Jeremy Bonderman, et al, high school pitchers were a pariah. Since then, scout acceptance at stathead birthday parties has increased by 200%, and the selection of signability-worries Miller with a first round pick usually devoted, in my mind's eye, to college pitchers who throw 88 mph fastballs directly at hitters' bats, was a cause for widespread Viva El Birdos celebration.
Two months into his full-season debut he's done nothing to spoil our fun. His last two outings, coming at the end of May, were both mediocre and short, which brought on a mild case of teenaged pitcher-derived injury paranoia, but according to Luhnow-via-Rains his rushed starts (and the scrubbed one thereafter) were less about his arm than reordering the rotation and working through some bullpen sessions.
That aside, he's doing all the things a young flamethrower is supposed to do. His control is imperfect, and he's been hit around on occasion, but his walk rate's just 3.3 per nine innings and his strikeout rate is all that was promised and more—12.6 per nine innings, 54 in 38 and two-thirds.
He's just 19, and as a pitcher that means his main problems are matters of survival, and not development: he needs to stay healthy and hard-throwing for another three years.
(Say, let's feel terrible for a minute! Remember the Cardinals' last great high school hope, Rick Ankiel? At this moment in his career he had struck out 75 batters against 16 walks in 49 innings. In AA.)
Round two, pick 67: Catcher Robert Stock: Of course, Ankiel was a year younger than Shelby Miller was at draft-date—he was Robert Stock's age when Stock decided to head, early, to college. Subsequently, a rough time at USC left Stock, an ex-super-prospect, on the board for the Cardinals' second pick, and given his excellent start in Johnson City we should be glad that we had Niko Vasquez busily pointing out how treacherous the full-season debut could be for a rookie league superstar.
Life in the Quad Cities hasn't been great for Stock, whose prospect status as a position player comes with the warning that continued struggles will lead the Cardinals to convert him into a pitcher, which is where many teams saw the most potential coming out of college. After his .322/.386/.550 start in Johnson City he's hit .211/.335/.286 in low-A Quad Cities; his catching continues to receive excellent marks, and he's just 20, but he should be advised that those are Jason Motte/Casey Mulligan numbers.
In May he finally hit the ball with a little authority—seven doubles, against his two in April—but a .211 batting average is just untenable, even if he were slugging .300. The one thing keeping his line from disaster is a massive jump in his walk rate. He's now walking more than twice as often as he did before in Johnson City, 25 times against 133 at-bats. That would be a concern if he were striking out a lot, but at 21% his strikeout rate is almost identical to his stint in rookie ball. Stock's got a reputation as a good percentage player—he calls a great game, he's an excellent catcher, he was a precocious leader in high school and college—and having noticed that the ball doesn't do anything when he swings his bat at it he appears to have gotten less aggressive.
He's 20 years old; all there is to do now is hope he improves, because it's too soon to draw any long-term conclusions from his performance to this point. The Cardinals can give him another year after this one to work on this hitting thing; if it doesn't work out he'll only be a year older than the average college pitcher draftee.
Round three, pick 98: Joe Kelly: The Baseball America quote blockquoted by Future Redbirds when Kelly was drafted has some great hindsight material in it: "Strictly a short relief man, Kelly is an aggressive hurler who wants the ball in pressure situations."
The Cardinals may still think this in the long run—he's too innings-limited right now to really tell about his stamina—but for the moment Kelly is a part of the Quad Cities' tandem starter system. As a short college reliever, as opposed to just a college short reliever, the immediate Cardinals comparison is to Jess Todd, who looked like a solid starting prospect in the minor leagues until the team abruptly made him a full-time reliever. But Kelly's a short guy with high fastball velocity, which makes him a more stereotypical short reliever.
Wherever he ends up he's been effective in 2010; he's got 36 strikeouts against 10 walks in his 44 innings to go with a 2.54 GO/AO ratio, and at 22 (a young 22) he's probably too good to spend all year in low-A.
Round four, pick 129: Scott Bittle: Well, you can't get them all right. Bittle's the closer with the borderline-Mariano fastball who the Cardinals picked up for a song because his shoulder was about to fall apart. This Spring, his shoulder fell apart! It was decided he didn't need surgery after first experiencing shoulder inflammation in February, but by April things had apparently soured and the surgery—on his joint capsule— was performed anyway. His return time hasn't yet been estimated.
I still like this pick—it was aggressive, it was a risk, and because of the small bonus the Cardinals' only loss was the opportunity to take a fourth rounder, who might not sniff AAA anyway.
Round five, pick 159: Ryan Jackson: In an interview this year for the mothership Jeff Luhnow called Jackson a "throwback shortstop", which is Luhnovian for "the team isn't sure he can hit."
And they're right to not be sure he can hit! At 21, coming out of college, he entered short-season Batavia and promptly hit .216/.297/.241, with five extra-base hits in 245 at-bats. He still isn't hitting for power this year, having made his full-season debut in the Quad Cities, but he's at least drawn some walks; he's up to .263/.374/.354. Slap-hitters with good walk rates tend to lose those walk rates as they move through the system, so Jackson, a one-tool player, needs to develop at least a little power or average to stay in consideration as a future starter. For now, he looks like a defense-first utility infielder if he hits enough to stick in Memphis.
Beyond the first five picks lay still more interesting players, among them third baseman Matt Carpenter (13th round), who's flirted with .400 since being moved to AA Springfield last month. Right now, between Palm Beach and Springfield, he's hit .332/.439/.472, with more walks than strikeouts. He's not without his concerns—he's 24 already, so his hitting makes him something of a homegrown David Freese, and that's not a lot of power for a third base prospect—but his .380/.436/.540 introduction to AA has given him the momentum a college hitter needs.
Scott Schneider (20th round) is another short right-hander taking full advantage of the Quad Cities' tandem starter system. After crushing Batavia upon signing in 2009—47 strikeouts to 25 hits and 8 walks in 39 innings—he's been excellent in 2010; he's got 53 strikeouts, one an inning, to 15 walks.
But 2010 is too soon to know about most of the players the Cardinals picked; many of the players are just now getting ready to populate the rosters of rookie league Johnson City and short-season Batavia, who begin play on June 22 and June 18. By the end of the season we'll know which of the undifferentiated short-seasoners have already begun to make us hyperventilate.
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After Hawk and PJ last night.....
…expect us to look for a veteran starter – Mark Buhrle, if the White Sox really are gonna blow up their team.
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hawk definitely needs to remain in the pen
I’d certainly like to see them get buehrle (though what is his contract status? Is he a free agent after this year?) I think its more likely they will pick up someone like sheets (beane will gladly take some more prospects off our hands) or westbrook from cleveland.
Those would be kneejerk reactions though and I fear it would be telling to how long penny is lost for. If penny isn’t far away then they have no need to add another starter because ottavino can suffice as the 5.
One other option would be to get jarrod washburn, assuming he’s stayed in shape and wouldn’t need a long time to be game ready.
Sheets would be great
but Oakland are in a pennant race, possibly their last for the foreseeable future. I’m not sure they’d sell low on (potentially) one of their better pitchers.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jun 8, 2010 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Mark Buehrle
If traded, Buehrle’s gets an additional year—2012—at the salary of $15MM. He is paid $14MM for 2010 and 2011.
Even though Joe Posnanski believes that Buehrle will be pitching in St. Louis “someday soon,” I don’t see how it happens with Buehrle’s salary and Pujols (hopefully) forthcoming salary increase.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jun 8, 2010 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions
this is when we fire up the van and call up Fredbird
he’s gonna need a bigger net
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He's have to renegotiate his deal, like Oswalt has said he would do.
Take, say, an extra year or two while downgrading his salary to around $10-$12M per season. I think this could be a good deal for the Cardinals, but I don’t see who we would trade to get him.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
wha?
You want to add an extra year or two @ 10-12 mil/yr to what buehrle already has? Thatd be a 3-4 year deal at 10 mil/yr. There’s no way in hell the cardinals could afford that and keep pujols and wainwright. If the cardinals get anyone it better be a guy on a 1 year deal (a la Westbrook).
Yeah
I just think Buehrle’s being paid too much. He’s decent enough, and he’s worth it now (I’m always amazed how much younger he is than I assume – I don’t even think he’s much over 30 yet, is he, 30 or 31, and he seems to have been around as a “grizzled vet”-type forever), but 3 years down the line I just think a slightly soft-tossing lefty is a potential for a Derek Lowe-esque cliff dive. Maybe when his current deal ends, if he really wants to play for us, we can get him on a cheap 1-year deal.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jun 8, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
If we're acquiring anyone that can truly help us
then payroll is going to have to go up. Period.
This is what happens when you pay a Kyle Lohse $40M.
If I’m trading a top prospect (and I’d guess that we’d have to do that to get Beuhrle anyway), I sure as hell would like more than one year (or 2 months as it may be with Westbrook) out of him.
BTW, getting Beuhrle for the same that we’re paying Kyle Lohse? Huge steal in terms of market value. Oh, and Adam Wainwright is under club control until 2013 as his option years will almost certainly vest at this rate, so extending Buerhle 2 years (and he already gets one of those automatically) would make them both free agents after that season. Considering that Carpenter is off the books for sure after 2012 (and the Cardinals could buy him out after next season for $1M) and that Penny may not come back next season, Beurhle would only represent a $2M-$3M increase (if his contract is renegotiated, obviously) over what we’re paying Brad Penny for 2010. If you could get him without giving up Miller I think that’s a deal you have to make.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
What woud it take, though?
Stock?
I guess the good thing about the Cards’ system right now when you’re talking trade is that it doesn’t have that guy that everyone is going to ask for (other than Miller, of course). I still think that some systems rank their success in trading for prospects as “Hey, we got their best (or second best) prospect!!”, even if that best or second best prospect is fringe-y at best.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jun 8, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Probably more than Stock...
I would guess Lance Lynn and another player at the very least.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Ugh
I think that would be horrible FWIW. Buehrle now is pretty much what Kyle Lohse was when we signed him, except two years later. Would you sign a healthy Lohse, NOW, to the 4 year contract we gave him a couple of years ago?
Buehrle’s K rate has dropped each of the last two years, and he’s rocking a 4.87xFIP this year. I think Lance Lynn will probably be better than Buehrle in years 3 and 4 of that deal, and possibly year 2 as well.
I dunno that he’s that much better than Jarrod Washburn, who we could presumably add on a shorter-term deal and for less money and no trade. The only real differences between the two soft-tossing lefties who usually seem to out-perform their FIP is that Buehrle is more of a groundball guy.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jun 8, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm not saying "Do that"
I’m saying that’s what I would expect it to take. You’d be dealing for Beurhle hoping that a change of league would boost his numbers and that he would revert to 2007-2008 form.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
And comparing him to Kyle Lohse?
Seriously, that’s fucked up.
Lohse had exactly one year with an xFIP below 4.40 in his entire career before signing that contract. Beurhle’s had 5 of them. They aren’t even close to being comparable pitchers, imo.
I think if you move Beurhle out of the Comiskey, which is a homer haven, and put him into Busch III, he’s almost certain to improve.
I wouldn’t pay him $14M per season, but I’d pay him $10M certainly.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
The four years before Lohse signed that deal
He FIPped about 4.4. xFIPped about the same.
Last four years, Buehrle’s FIPped about 4.4. xFIPped about 4.4. His recent performance is WORSE than Lohse’s most recent performance when he signed his deal. He is 3 years older than Kyle Lohse was when he signed his deal.
Buehrle’s a better pitcher historically, but right now he’s older and about as good as Lohse was when he signed that albatross contract.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jun 8, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
And FWIW I'd pay Buehrle $10m, probably, for a year now, age 31
I certainly wouldn’t want to pay him that age 34 or 35. And I think there were better pitchers than Buehrle who signed $10m/yr (or less) contracts in the off-season.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jun 8, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
soft tossing lefty
how much worse would he get?
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
that probably didn't come off right
I think he’ll age well, and as fourstick mentioned, should be better in Busch and in the NL….another perfect game up his sleeve perhaps? seems to be the theme for 2010
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
Ask Randy Wolf
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by Felonius_Monk on Jun 8, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
don't forget the hometown effect
wolf has always been NL, hasn’t he?
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
pretty much i think, yeah
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by Felonius_Monk on Jun 8, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
He's a far different pitcher than Randy Wolf, though
He’s a groundball pitcher when at his most effective.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
i agree buehrle is way better than lohse
But you make my counterpoint all your own. We are already paying lohse. Unless we are gonna swap lohse for buehrle there’s just no way we can afford to add another 10+ mil pitcher (nor do we need to, but that’s another argument in itself) and still keep payroll below 100mil mark.
hopes are that the payroll will play red rover and bust through to the 100M+ side
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
Essentially,
they would be giving the Penny rotation slot to Buehrle for 2011, 2012, and 2013. If they were able to keep the total amount of the contract at about the same level, it could work, if they drop the AAV to something around $9MM or so. Keep in mind that Pujols is most likely going to play the 2011 season for $16MM, extension or not, and Lohse comes off the books after 2012. Wainwright’s club options kick in in 2012 ($9MM) and 2013 ($12MM). My guess would be that the club rolls them into his eventual extension.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Do you really think Buehrle will be worth $9m per season age 32-35?
4.87 xFIP this year aged 31…
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by Felonius_Monk on Jun 8, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes
In fact, I think he’s a good bet to be worth more than that. The guy only has one season below 3 WAR for his entire career.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Do you not think it's possible he's falling off a cliff?
and would you want to bet another Lohse-like deal (or a Derek Lowe) that he won’t at any point in the next 4 years? The guy’s 31, and putting up the worst peripherals of his career this year.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jun 8, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
He's really not
He’s been far worse to this point in the season 2 different times in his career, only to reel off 8 straight quality starts to bring his numbers back down. FWIW, Zips projects his xFIP for the rest of the season to conform to just above his career average.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Yeah, I do.
He will be moving from the AL to the NL and from a great hitters park to a great pitchers park. What’s more, he is a lefty and they tend to age better than righties. Given his repertoire, I believe Buerhle will be around and effective through the middle of the decade, at least.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I'm pessimistic about pitchers. . .
but I, too, agree with this.
And just to get all unsabremetric to the max, I also think that Buerhle is the type of personality that will age pretty well.
I don’t know however, that he wants to pitch that long. Maybe it’s posturing, and having millions of dollars thrown at you can change a lot of minds, but he’s been pretty public about saying that he wants this to be his last contract.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jun 8, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
I think he'd stay around for a few seasons in his hometown.
The chance to win a world series or two and live in his hometown? I think he’d sign another contract…no problem
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Maybe some Chris Duncan baseball cards?
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by RosevilleRedbird on Jun 8, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
If the FO starts asking it's male fans...
…to start blood and semen to pay for Albert, that’s when I’m done with this team.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Jun 8, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
hawk in pen better than rotation
sorry, but hawk’s just not a starter. in my mind, neither is walters.
the injuries that penny & lohse have obviously mean that we have to go after at least one SP. hopefully whoever we trade for wouldn’t cost us much.
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Aaron Miles, Tony? Really?
doggerel!!
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
programming note
apparently we can watch Blair and Cox on Saturday’s NCAA Super Regional game.
they are also BFF.
i will now twitch in a corner, as it seems Rob Rains does not believe in the serial comma.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
My quick thoughts (kinda semi-posted in the other thread):
1) I quite like the draft. If Cox signs for anything other than crazy money, well, he looks like he was probably the best player on the board at that point. Lower upside than some (I liked Brentz, Castellanos (who I thought would be well gone by 25), Wilson (ditto) and Cole, two of whom are still on the board!) but the combo of solid-enough-already toolset and decent upside makes this a good pick IMO.
I thought the supplementals were a little uninspiring, given the number of projected first-rounders still on the board, although Blair looks like he fits the traditional Cardinal early-round-pick very well, and Jenkins sounds intriguing, but both seem to be slight signability picks (although both from what I’ve heard were probably top 100 picks) and there was a lot of talent still on the board then. I’d have liked one real risk pick and maybe a more sensible, signability guy. I think we could’ve got either of these guys in round 2. Overall, though, two hard-throwing arms, which is nice.
2) I’m amazed at the amount of projected high-end, round 1 talent still on the board. I counted something like 8 guys who various projections had in the top 20, who are STILL there after pick 50. I guess this happens when the Astros and Cubs take a bunch of guys who are nowhere near first round talents in this round.
I guess some of them have no chance of signing now (Allie and Wilson), but there are some other guys I really hope fall to us in round 2. And, given Blair and Jenkins will hopefully more or less sign for slot, we can reach a little bit and get someone like Eibner or Gyorko in round two.
3) I love, love, love the Red Sox draft. They got Brentz, who might’ve been my pick at 25 if guys like Wilson, Castellanos and Cox (who I thought would all be top 20) weren’t on the board. Vitek is a little uninspiring at 20, but he seems like he’ll move quickly, and to get Ranaudo AS WELL in the supplementals, well, it seems like they might’ve got three arguably top-20 talents, despite not having a single pick higher than 20.
I also love the Tigers picks, the Rangers draft and the Rays seemed to do well, too. Sadly, the Reds getting Grandal at 12 is a good coup for them. The Royals, Cubs and obviously the Astros seem to be the big losers in this draft. The Stros and Royals in particular make you wonder if they’ll ever be competitive again with their uninspiring picks.
4) I wonder if anyone thinks we’ll go for one of the first-round talents left on the board in the 2nd round, or whether the money just isn’t there? My dream pick would be Cole, but if he’s wanting first round money, we can’t afford him can we? RB’s favourite, Kevin Gausman, might be a nice pick, and I think Jedd Gyorko (who I hated as a first rounder but who fits our needs in the latter rounds and who might sign for round 2 money) makes sense too. What pick do we have? And does anyone take Stetson Allie, Cole or Austin Wilson now? Someone with a bunch of cash (Sox?) could really clean up here.
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2: bcb opens with this (on their minor league wrap)
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I want to stress that I do occasionally get messages from family members of Cubs prospects. They do read this blog, and I can promise you that they’re going to stop reading this blog if they read stuff like what was written tonight.
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Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Hilarious and typical Al Yellon quote from BCB about the pick:
A lot of players who have success “at the highest levels of college baseball”…
… never make it in the pros.
Well, yeah. Drafting players who’ve had success in crappy college leagues who no-one’s ever heard of COULD work out. And you COULD move Carlos Zambrano into the pen, it COULD work out.
There’s nothing wrong with drafting Hayden Simpson. There is something wrong with drafting him with the 16th pick with a ton of top-end talent on the board, when Simpson will still be available with the 216th pick.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jun 8, 2010 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions
FWIW
Simpson sounds super-excited (as you would be if you were projected as a 3rd/4th/5th round talent and you got taken 16th overall) and seems like a nice guy. I hope he has some success.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jun 8, 2010 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions
fwiw (not much)
The cubs scouting director said they had assurances that simpson would be gone before their next pick so they had to take him early.
heh, yeah
he phoned Billy Beane and asked him if he was taking Simpson in round two.
Beane replied “Sure, we’re taking, ermmm, Jason Stimpleton, yeah, 100%. We’re all over that kid. He looks like he’s going to be awesome at, ermm, playing baseball”.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jun 8, 2010 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think our two "slight signability" picks in the bottom of the first round left us with the ability to go after a talent in Round 2.
I think Gyorko or Gausman would be good targets, but Gyorko would be strictly a “best player available” pick at this point, since he profiles to be a very similar player to Zach Cox.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
From what I've heard it's still possible Gyorko might just stick at SS, if unlikely
and it’s quite possible Cox doesn’t make it as a 2B and has to switch back to 3B, so I suppose there might be room for both.
I’m guessing he’s not there at 75, though, as he’s one of the better guys left and won’t cost as much to sign as guys like Allie or Wilson (who I guess don’t get drafted now), or Cole (who might just be a big over-slot stretch for someone who cheaped out in round 1). Gausman would be great, three live-armed righties in the top 4 picks would be excellent after the disappointments of picks 4 and 5 last year (I don’t think Jackson makes it to AAA, and I don’t think Bittle pitches again).
I’m sure we might be a bit gunshy on injury risk fallers after Bittle, but what about Hahn? Possible top 20 guy, but might need TJ now. Maybe spring him as an upside pick in round 2 or 3. I’m guessing if he’s really hurt and needs surgery, better off getting it in a pro sports team (and banking 800k or something) than trying to wait it out and see if he can go higher next year. I also wouldn’t mind it so much if he never threw a ball, as we’ve got a couple of live pitchers in the supplementals.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jun 8, 2010 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions
I think the Hahn speculation is interesting, simply because we'd get a really good talent for a small signing bonus most likely.
Agreed on Allie or Wilson — I don’t think they’re getting drafted unless someone like Detroit (who loves to pay way over slot for studs like them) decides to take them in the second round and pay them 1st round money. In all seriousness, I could totally see this happening with Allie. The Tigers love them some power armed guys, and they seem to be made of money as well.
I don’t see any way Gyorko sticks at SS, and if he does, he’ll be vastly uninspiring defensively. I’m not sure he can hit enough to put him there long term. I’d imagine that he’d be well below average on defense, meaning that his bat will have to be worth 3-4 wins to make him playable as a SS. I don’t see that happening. If we can’t keep Brian Barden (a much better athlete) at SS, we’re not leaving Gyorko there. I love the kid, and I’d love this pick (especially if Matias signs with us), but I didn’t think there was ANY WAY we were getting Zach Cox in the first round either.
Gausman would be a very, very good choice for us, and it’s the way that I’d lean if pushed to make a prediction. In this particular draft, we’ve already gotten one of the best bats available, and getting three pitchers who project as mid-90’s throwers with good off speed offerings would be a huge coup. Add Mattias to the mix, and all of the sudden we have some really ridiculous pitching upside in our system, something we haven’t had since 2005 when Reyes and Wainwright were tearing up minor league hitters.
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If the Tigers get Allie in the second
they’ll have had one hell of a draft without having a single first round pick. Castellanos and Allie are both top 20 players, and Chance Ruffin is a good bet to be a major league closer if he stays healthy, you’d think.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jun 8, 2010 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Not clear to me
that they’ll go as ridiculously far over slot as Allie will be demanding, though.
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by StanTheManFan on Jun 8, 2010 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions
That's true,
but it wouldn’t be unprecedented for them either. They’ve paid out some HUGE signing bonuses to pitchers in the last 4-5 seasons, nearly all over slot.
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yeah he'll want top 10 money, i think
Realistically, I think we’ll end up seeing Allie again next year and he’ll probably go undrafted until someone takes a pop at him in the 8th round or something. If the Cubs wanted to placate their fans they’d take him in the 2nd but I guess they have no money, judging by their 16th pick.
I’ve heard rumours he’s projected as a top 3 or 4 talent next year (Allie) so I can’t see him signing for less than $2.5-3m even in the 2nd round.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jun 8, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Allie is a UNC recruit and won't be drafted for another 3 years idf he doesn't sign
Not afraid to nitpick
Which might be good for him
The knock against Allie is that he’s pretty raw as a pitcher right now—incredible velocity on his fastball, but really doesn’t know where it and his slider are going. He also has a change-up that he doesn’t use a whole lot. That’s part of the reason why too many scouts right now see Allie as a future closer than starter. Three years of college would help him refine his control, develop his pitches, and seriously raise his value if he maintains his velocity.
john smoltz on mike and mike. talking about strasburg
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Also Dan
Nice post. I was going to do something of a “minor league season so far” recap for those who don’t follow the prospects at all (though I am under no illusions that I am the most qualified person for this at all!), this seems a great look through last year’s draft.
I’m very excited about Schneider. He’s done nothing wrong so far, and I think he could’ve been a real sleeper last year. In a way the most exciting thing about him is that not only has he dominated, but he’s not really pitched much before – not a lot of stats or scouting to go on before he was drafted, so it makes it more possible (to me, at least) that a real talent slipped through the net to the 20th round.
What you didn’t note was that he also has an excellent GB/FB ratio and (unlike a few older pitchers who excel in short-season and low-A ball) throws a legit 90+. I think he’s legitimately one of our top 20 prospects at the moment and could sniff the top 10 if he continues to throw like he has so far this year.
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I like Schneider, too...
…but he probaby won’t be a top 20 prospect unless he’s promoted to at least Palm Beach this season and starts starting rather than being in the piggyback rotation. He’s a bit of a long shot prospect right now, and we really need to see what he can do against better competition than what he’s seeing in Quad Cities.
Last years draft lives and dies on Shelby Miller
as you can see, everyone else is a fringe guy, while Shelby has the ability to step in and be a frontline pitcher.
What I will be interested in is something we don’t cover at FR.net and that is the international signing players. They guys playing in the Caribbean leagues. I think this is where the Cardinals real talent will come from in the next few years.
hopefully, mattias will be ok to sign
any idea on how that’s going, hl (or anyone else?). He’s still in the DSL AFAIK so presumably it’s not all ironed out yet and it could still fall apart. I’m guessing Mattias AND the three guys from this years draft so far all instantly make our top 10, which is nice, but obviously dependent on signing all four guys.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jun 8, 2010 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions
I thought Matias had already played for
the Cardinals Dominican summer league team already.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
he has
as i said
He’s still in the DSL AFAIK
I don’t think that necessarily means he’s got a work visa to play for us in the states, or that the deal has totally gone through yet.
Anyone got any insight into this?
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by Felonius_Monk on Jun 8, 2010 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
I thought you were talking about a South American separatist guerilla group...
You’re right, though, that there is no reason for his playing in the DSL AFAIK to mean that he will be able to play in the U.S. for a Cardinals affiliate.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I don't buy this at all.
Both Stock and Kelly profile as fantastic bullpen arms if they can’t make it at catcher and starting pitcher, respectively.
It’s not like major league bullpen arms just grow on trees — if we can get two serviceable relievers out of every draft, we can use those guys to keep our big league bullpen costs to a minimum, while using the excess to make trades, like we saw with the Khalil Greene and Mark DeRosa trades.
Bittle was a high risk/high reward guy, but that’s a great pick in the 4th round. If he’s healthy he’s a second round talent taken 75 picks later. I hated the Jackson pick at the time, and I hate it even more now — the guy can’t fucking hit. Period. No amount of defensive wizardry is going to get him to the next level if he can’t muster a .750 OPS in A ball.
Other than that, we have a 13th round pick who’s absolutely mashing the baseball at AA already (Carpenter) and a 20th rounder who’s pitching very well at A ball (Schneider).
There’s little reason to think that there aren’t at least one or two other potential MLB players out of this draft, so stating that the entire draft lives and dies with Miller is simply untrue.
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So if we get one average bullpen arm
and one MLB bench player out of the draft, it was a successful draft? Cause that’s what we are looking at here if Miller doesn’t succeed.
This Cardinals organization needs young talent badly in the coming years. With Pujols and Holliday gobbling up probably $35 M worth of payroll each year, the Cardinals are going to need cheap, talented position players.
Without Shelby Miller progressing into a front of the rotation, I don’t see how you could claim this draft would be anything better than average at best. And if the two players who aren’t playing the positions you say they ‘profile fantastically’ at turn out to be nothing more than throwaway relievers, this wasn’t a good draft at all.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 8, 2010 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions
So what you're saying is
if everyone we drafted completely sucks, it was a bad draft? Wow, don’t go out on a limb or anything…….
I would venture to say that there isn’t a team in baseball that could have two draft picks in the top 100 of a draft and claim that their draft was a total failure if both of those picks didn’t work out. You can make that claim, but I’d venture to say that any time you can get 2-4 useful players out of a draft where all but two of your picks are outside of the top 100, then you’re doing pretty damn well.
You hate Robert Stock, we’ve established this before, but you yourself bitch about not taking “high upside” guys in the draft, then you come back and bitch about taking “high upside” guys when they don’t work out. Must be nice to live in a world where you can always be critical of decisions, even when you supported the rationale for those decisions at the time.
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Never said that.
I hate Robert Stock? When did I EVER say that? Ever?
You’re tilting at windmills here, fella.
I’m not sure if you’ve been deemed resident ‘Draft Defender’ or not, but you seem really animated about the fact that I said if our Top draft pick falters, our draft wasn’t very good. You’re rationale to it was that two guys who aren’t even doing what you say they will be MLB players doing will somehow save the draft. That’s a tad too optimistic.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 8, 2010 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Unsubstantiated...
You’re rationale to it was that two guys who aren’t even doing what you say they will be MLB players doing will somehow save the draft. That’s a tad too optimistic.
My “rationale” was that we took two players with high upside. Shelby Miller, a top 10 talent that we acquired at pick 19 and paid accordingly, and Robert Stock, who was a top 10 talent in high school, struggled with the bat in college but showed very good stuff on the mound, and could be a huge steal if he could make it as a catcher, while providing a very nice backup plan as a pitcher if he can’t.
You seem to be saying that those picks are bad if they don’t work out. Well NO SHIT! Conversely, what the hell would you have the team do? You’re grading a draft before half the players in it even have 300 pro-AB’s or 200 pro innings under their belt. Sorry if I think your rampant pessimism is a bit unseemly.
I’m simply looking at the talent we drafted with an understanding of why they were taken, and being optimistic that it will work out in the long run. That’s about all you can do at this point. You can’t really grade this draft until the end of 2011 anyway, so why be pessimistic about it?
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You seem to be saying that those picks are bad if they don’t work out. Well NO SHIT
Yeah, that’s kinda all he said, and you said you disagreed. TBH I think Luhnow did a reasonable job with the resources at hand (mid-first round pick and no supplementals), but I think the draft looks light if Shelby doesn’t pan it. That’s no real knock on the draft, or the org.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jun 8, 2010 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Stupid SBN....
I disagreed with the fact that the ENTIRE DRAFT IS A TOTAL FAILURE
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If those guys don't work out.
I don’t believe that’s true, as I think we might have two or maybe three possible MLB players out of this draft that weren’t top 100 picks.
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Hmmmm possible but they're very marginal
Kelly profiles as more of a reliever and is by no means certain to make it (I like him a lot FWIW) and then it’s a couple of long shots (Schneider, Stock, ?) and a guy who might if we’re lucky end up as a decent backup 3B or a starter on a mediocre team (Carpenter).
Those guys are all nice to have, and they’re decent pieces to assemble in a relatively difficult draft (in terms of the picks we had), but there’s not a whole lot of upside there and not a lot of guys who are very likely to make it. On the balance of probability, i’d be surprised if there’s more than one future major leaguer in that list.
I’d say that’s more or less a failed draft then, if Miller alone doesn’t make it, UNLESS we get very lucky with 2 or 3 of the other guys. I’m not saying it’s a BAD draft but I think I largely agree with HL that (as you’d usually expect in any draft) it kinda lives or dies with the top couple of picks.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jun 8, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm not being pessimistic
about it, I’m trying to be realistic. I think Shelby Miller will be a phenomenal MLB pitcher. I also think that guys like Carpenter and Stock will be fringe MLB players. That isn’t to say that is a bad thing. But as I said, the greatness of this draft lives and dies with how well Shelby Miller does. If Miller is a starter in the rotation, you look back at the draft and say “We got a starter and a few bench guys out of that draft. That was a great draft, considering”. If you Miller fails (not saying he has any reason to), you look back at the draft and say “We got a few bench guys out of that draft. Kind of a lost year.”
Is there someone that could break out? Absolutely. Stock could get his stroke back. Stock could also pick back up pitching and become a reliable reliever.
But looking at the draft 1 year out, it appears we got a future piece of the rotation and some fringe guys with the picks where we had them.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 8, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Right
and considering where our picks were, we did pretty well. You don’t see many draft boards for any team filled with non-fringe guys from picks 150 on down — if they did they either got lucky with the injury bug on a player that fell due to those concerns (Bittle), or got lucky with a player that nobody saw coming (Pujols, Piazza, etc.)
85% of MLB players come from the top 150 picks, which in this day and age is about the first four rounds plus the supplemental round. So if your top two picks don’t pan out and you still get 3-4 fringe major leaguers out of your draft, how is that not a “good draft” by definition? It seems to me your expectations are a bit high if you’re “just being realistic”.
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First of all
I doubt we get 3-or-4 fringe major leaguers out of the draft if Miller and Stock don’t pan out.
Second of all, you are arguing semantics.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 8, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Schneider could be the real gem from the lower bunch
but otherwise I’d say last year’s draft was just OK. Not good, not bad, somewhere in between. We got a top-10 talent with our first pick, and, really, as HL kinda alluded to, it’s a bad draft if (all of a sudden) he has a career-ending injury or something, but there’s upside elsewhere.
I think it looks a lot better if Bittle was fit, FWIW, but that’s what sometimes happens when you take an upside risk. The people claiming Jackson might once have been a 1st or 2nd round talent were crazy, though, and there’s not too much outside the top 5 to get excited about. Really, outside of Carpenter and Schneider no-one’s done anything yet (Conley looked good last year as a 22-year-old in short season ball but has been abysmal since moving up to A-ball).
We still need to see what Stock’s got, likewise guys like Virgil Hill (did he even sign eventually, actually?), and if Schneider’s as good as he’s looked so far, I think it could turn into a solid draft. That said, I tend to agree (in terms of upside talent) it does kinda live or die with Miller. Kelly’s still going to end up in the pen IMO, and at best we might see maybe one more average major leaguer out of the rest of them.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jun 8, 2010 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Hill signed, but has been uninspiring in rookie ball so far.
He’s shown his speed though — 11 SB’s in 51 games, despite only reaching base 55 times.
You’re right, it’s short on high upside talent. But when you only have 2 picks in the top 100 players, that’s going to happen every time. It’s not like you can get Jameson Taillon or Aaron Crow type arms at pick 120, and if you do, there’s something wrong with them, like their was with Scott Bittle.
I just seems like a “hindsight is 20/20” argument to state that we’re “low on high upside talent” and then bitch that we took two guys who had high upside talent like Stock and Bittle at positions where they were among the best players available.
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Yeah that's probably fair comment
FWIW I was a bit down on the Stock pick at the time but I absolutely loved Bittle before, during, and after the draft. Obviously I was overjoyed with Miller, because he really should’ve gone in the top 6 or 7, talent-wise.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jun 8, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
As for Carpenter
I would hope he would be mashing in AA. He’ll be starting AAA next year, if he is lucky, as a 25 year old 3B which is getting into the ‘older for his league’ range. He is hitting the ball well as a more mature player in AA. The promising thing is he took the step up and still continued to succeed.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 8, 2010 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions
I think he ends up a slightly less powerful David Freese
good average, decent OBP 3B with a solid glove. Shame he can’t play in the middle because he’d have a shot as a starter there. I’m guessing he either ends up as a AAAA-type or he takes some balls in the OF and becomes a Spezio for a year or two. I think he’s the sort of player TLR would quite like, actually, from what I hear. He just has very little upside – I think 2 WAR is probably his MLB ceiling, and that’s arguably pushing it. I suppose we said the same about Freese, and he was a late developer too.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jun 8, 2010 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't see any reason he couldn't end up like
Late bloomer. Good OBP. Gap power.
Carpenter probably wouldn’t hit that many homers, but he might hit as many or more doubles and get on base at a higher rate.
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Andy LaRoche might not be a bad comp either.
TBH if he pans out like either of those guys, or even just turns into a 3B-only version of Brian Barden (probably more likely), you’ve got to say it’s a good result for a 300-something pick.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jun 8, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
All that is true
But, did you really expect a 13th round draft choice to be OPSing .900 in AA one year after he was drafted? Forget the age factor — that’s got to be a win for the organization doesn’t it? You’re also poo-pooing the fact that he’s had to transition to wood bats just like any other younger guy, and that transition has gone well.
By all accounts he’s excellent defensively and looks like he could be a high average/high OBP guy with limited power potential. He’s a good athlete and could probably be a Spiezio type with better average and less power at the big league level if he continues to hit. How that is a huge win for the org in round 13 I don’t know.
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You assume that the draft being below average
had anything to do with the Cardinals. It was not as if the Cardinals made bad picks. But with the draft picks they had, the top end talent needs to produce. That’s all I said.
I would call Scott Spiezio, unless we are referring to his 3 year peak in LA, a fringe MLB player. Which was all I said.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 8, 2010 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
And if you get a fringe MLB player in round 13
you’re doing pretty damn good.
That’s all I’ve said.
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That's not even close
to all you’ve said.
You’ve put words in my mouth, claimed I’ve hated players that I’ve never said any such thing and done so in a condescending, uncalled for manner.
You flew off the handle for no reason. I don’t think I’ve been pessimistic about last years draft at all, lest I can remember. You are upset about something, not sure what, but it surely can’t be because I called a light hitting catcher and a 24-year old AA 3B ‘fringe’ guys.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 8, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Um...calling the whole draft a "total failure"
if Shelby Miller doesn’t work out is what I would call pessimistic. You may call it being grumpy. In that case we’re parsing phrases.
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When did I call it a "total failure"?
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 8, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Ahem
Last years draft lives and dies on Shelby Miller
Perhaps that’s hyperbole, but when you say “lives and dies on Shelby Miller”, it sure seems like you’re saying the whole draft is a failure if he doesn’t pan out.
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It means the greatness of the draft
lives and dies with the only truly great prospect we got from that draft. MAYBE Stock as a pitcher becomes a great prospect from that draft but otherwise, the greatness of the draft lives and dies with the best player we drafted in it.
Which is of no fault of the Cardinals. They just didn’t have the picks to get many high upside guys.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 8, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
I think we went with a couple of high upside guys and a three more "known quantities" in the top 5
Of the high upside guys, Stock is struggling and Bittle was hurt, so they didn’t really pan out (you could add “yet” to Stock).
Of the known quantities, well, they’re all doing what we thought they would. Shelby is a good, slightly raw, top of the rotation prospect, Kelly is a solid looking pitcher who may end up in the pen, and Jackson is a short stop who can’t hit.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jun 8, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Even if Stock fails as a catcher, don't forget that
the plan is to Motte him.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
From what I've heard he has a 95mph fastball and not much else
and he’ll be, what, 22 by the time they’ve decided he can’t catch and move him to pitch?
That’s one of my problems with 2-way players; by the time you figure out they can’t play the field, they’re old for their level, having not thrown a pitch for a couple of years, and without any of the polish of other guys who’ve been pitching professionally for two years.
I’m not saying he CAN’T do a Motte, just that if Stock fails as a catcher, he is no longer a prospect. At least, not a particularly interesting one. He’s a guy, old for his league, with a fastball, who may one day make a major league pen in middle relief, if he’s lucky.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jun 8, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Jason Motte was 24 when he began pitching in A ball.
Also, bear in mind that Stock pitched in college, and did so well. Here’s the Future Redbirds post on him, and a quote from Erik:
As a pitcher, Stock was the ace of the staff. He posted a 2.90 ERA with 86 K’s to 39 walks over 77.2 innings pitched. The bonus is he’s only 19 years old, and there is still some reason to believe there is some upside with this pick.
Here is BA’s assessment, as passed along by Erik in the above-linked post:
The Trojans turned to Stock as a starter this year, and he has delivered. He made his first start March 29 and beat Arizona State, striking out 10 in five innings, and hasn’t looked back, registering a complete-game win at Arizona and showing surprising polish. His delivery is fairly easy, giving him good control of an 88-92 mph fastball that can hit 95 and a surprisingly good changeup that some scouts consider a plus pitch. His low-80s breaking ball also grades out as average, and Stock now figures to go out in the first three rounds as a pitcher—if he proves signable.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Hmmm I didn't know he had a changeup
I stand corrected.
I still think that, at 22 (likely, maybe 23) in short season or low-A, he’s not going to be a top end pitching prospect. A prospect, but nothing special.
Motte can touch 100 and there’s no indication that Stock has that sort of raw talent, even if he is more polished.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jun 8, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I actually think there is greater reason to believe
a Stock conversation will work than the Motte conversion. Stock has three average-to-above-average offerings. Motte had, and still only has, one: his fastball. While it can touch 100 mph, it has not often done so while with the Cardinals:
Stock could move quickly through the system as a reliever, because he already has a three-pitch repertoire.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
would we not use him as a starter if there's any reason to believe his change and breaking ball are legit?
I can’t really see a guy with three average-ish pitches being more suited to bullpen work.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jun 8, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
I would begin him as a starter,
but I probably would never have moved Jess Todd from the rotation, either. I don’t know what the organization would do. I would hope he would start…
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I was a big debbie downer on the todd move as well
although his success in the pen did make that somewhat moot. I really thought the Indians would make him start again, but seemingly not. Has he been up this year?
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by Felonius_Monk on Jun 8, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Not that I am aware of,
but I am not sure.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
there'll be a need for towels.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Once again as Official Stock Haterade Drinker
He didn’t hit in college and is currently slugging .286 in Low-A. It’s too early to completely switch him off of hitting because of the upside of finding a regular, but I don’t think we’re too far off from letting him start working on his pitching in side sessions or something…
Not afraid to nitpick
when is the Strasburg show?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
because I want to see what that park looks like full.
I bet the Pirates will enjoy the novelty as well.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I believe it starts @ 7.
I will be traveling so I won’t get to record that game like I would normally like to. It will be on MASN, FSN Pittsburgh and MLBNet.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 8, 2010 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions
too bad you don't have Direct TV. then you could set your recording from your phone.
(or so the commercial told me)
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
I just mean I don't have the DVR space
being out of town the rest of the week, with the Cardinals taking precedence.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 8, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
The commercial is correct.
It’s kind of sweet when I’m running late and forgot to record the game.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
DISH can do that too
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
I can do that with Uverse as well
It’s not a stand-alone app, but the Yahoo page has a widget to record shows
Albert Pujols is ridiculous.
All three can and there's an iPhone app for each one
The bible declares an eye for an eye, so, let us now take our vengeance on this murderous ocean. . . You won't be hurting anyone anymore
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jun 8, 2010 5:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
6:00 central
the only timezone in Albertofstan.
that means they’ll be doing special coverage at… what, 3? haha.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
And the networks think the 69th of Albertofstan
Will forever be Strasburg day. Idiots.
The bible declares an eye for an eye, so, let us now take our vengeance on this murderous ocean. . . You won't be hurting anyone anymore
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jun 8, 2010 5:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Dan, I'd love to drop by and see you at the tap room,
but I’ll be at the game.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
"Signability picks"
might take on an oddly reversed meaning this year, if the assessment that I’ve read of the 2011 draft crop as much better than this year’s is accurate. There might actually be incentive to make picks this year who are NOT signable, with the goal of carrying the slot over to 2011. I was already wondering if the Jenkins pick might qualify, and I wouldn’t be surprised to see a second- or third-round pick that also is a tough sign. That’s as far into the draft as the payback for failing to sign a draftee works, right?
StanTheManFan
Contributes any way he can.
He's normally a nuclear physicist
Except when writing for this list.
are the supplemental picks protected?
I can never remember.
FWIW I hope we sign Jenkins. The more I read about him, the more I like. He seems a bit like a Stetson Allie-lite.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 8, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes, they are.
Baseball makes the world go 'round, or at least in my world it does.
by Whiteyballer on Jun 8, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
From the G-D article linked above,
it sounds good.
Luhnow said Jenkins had told the Cardinals he wants to sign and play baseball, much like the Cardinals’ first pick in last year’s draft, another Texas high schooler, Shelby Miller, who had signed to play baseball at Texas A & M.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
that's probably good news
although I wouldn’t sniff at a supp pick next year, either (hopefully we get at least one, from Floppy, and probably two, if Penny is back pitching soon).
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 8, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
HOLY SHIT GUYS
That was my agent on the phone. Apparently the Cubbies are seriously looking at drafting me in the second round.
I’ll keep you updated.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 8, 2010 10:15 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
what about your cricket commitments?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Anybody else find Blair's arm slot odd?
The MLB video isn’t the greatest, and of course it’s not slo mo, but it looks somewhere in between 3/4 and sidearm to me.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jun 8, 2010 10:22 AM EDT reply actions
I would describe it as very sling-y
which makes me worry about injuries, of course. But all else being equal, I think it also makes you less hittable.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jun 8, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
No one wants to talk about last night
But I just wanted to say that it felt like Crazy Tony at work again.
I don’t understand why you start a pitcher who hasn’t started a game but has pitching in relief for the last year. Then you bring in to relieve him a guy who has only been starting (with decent success) in the minors.
If you want Hawksworth to be a starter fine, but maybe then you need to send him down and let him have a couple of AAA starts to stretch his arm out. If you want PJ to relieve, fine, but why don’t you prepare him for that position by having him throw some relief innings in the minors.
I don’t buy into the LaRussa/Duncan view that starters and relievers are necessarily interchangeable. I think they must believe that if you are a MLB pitcher you should be able to get ready and pitch out of the bullpen, but I’m not sure that is the case and the anecdotal results often seen poor.
Who knows if it would have been any different, but I think we should have had PJ starting last night and the Hawk ready to be the short leash relief.
Also, I was thinking last night, if you are going to pick up Randy Winn, why didn’t you just sign Edmonds in the offseason? I don’t hate the Winn pick up, but if you are not going to give Mather/Craig/Jay the opportunity to be the 4th OF, I would have much preferred just going with Jimmy from the beginning. Maybe Jimmy wasn’t that interested based on the likely playing time?
because Jim Edmonds insisted on everyday play.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I dunno that he did?
I might be wrong but I thought it was basically that we lost interest in him.
I don’t think it made sense at the time, mainly as he’s a lefty (like Rasmus) but I really wanted it to happen.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 8, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm still digging elsewhere
but essentially both parties said there was no way to guarantee at-bats for him with Colby around. there was interest, though.
if the rumors of Ankiel kicking up dust last year are at all true, it could be they chose to shield Colby, clubhouse-wise.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
All I know is that at one point
I was watching the game (probably 7th inning) and saw the on-deck batter was #40 and said “I thought PJ Walters was #40, I wonder why he switched numbers” and then saw with 2 on and 1 out PJ FREAKING WALTERS WAS BATTING FOR HIMSELF!
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 8, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
haven't you heard
the relievers take BP
/sick, sick joke
but really, I think we still lead in reliever PAs this year. I think only the LOOGYs have not swung the lumber this year. so to speak.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
And Evan MacLane
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
LaRussa is over-rated as a game manager IMO
he makes quite a lot of seemingly pretty facile errors. I think the one thing he does extremely well is keep the team motivated and playing hard, but I’ll not miss his game management, I don’t think. It really should be a pretty damn easy job, too.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 8, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
It had the feel to me of a game TLR had conceded
And maybe you have to do so over a 162 game season, but it is not fun to watch.
However, Vin Scully made it better, much better.
Where was Yadi?
throwing in the towel
I was at the game, and lettng Walters bat was a slap in the face to everybody wearing red. It said, “This one’s over. We’ll save the bullpen.”
Then Stav replacing Holliday said, “Seriously, go home, I want this one to be over.”
Stav was embarassing.
at least I was able to get some extra sleep...
especially since my son decided he wanted to eat at 5 am
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
My friend texted me during the game:
“This is a joke. Why even play the game if we’re going to use all these [effing] jobbers.”
I decided that I would not watch the game when TLR announced it would be a WonderGame with relievers piggybacking one another that would feature Winn as the starting center fielder, and, perhaps, Miles at second base. The draft was more than enough to keep me busy until bedtime. I would be very disappointed if I had purchased tickets only to have TLR run the job squad out there.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
HAHA
yeah I’m in exactly the same boat. First thing this morning I checked out the draft info and have been reading about it all day.
I saw we lost but I didn’t even bother checking the score, or who did what, after seeing the lineup (and some of the frustration on here).
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 8, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
at least Hawksworth and Walters were equally as bad
4 IP 6 R 3 BB each.
Hawk had more K’s and didn’t allow a homer at least
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
Winn was signed because he can hit right-handed.
(Well, he can kind of hit right-handed, I guess. Okay, okay. He can swing a bat from the right-handed batters box.) And he can play all outfield positions. (Well, he can play center field, if you put him out there and give him a mitt, but who knows how could the 63-year-old can range out there.) The point is that, while he is 63, Winn has proven that he could hit and play the outfield when he was in his twenties and early thirties. So, we will be fine with him playing in the outfield and getting pinch-hitting PAs.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Mather is broken
possibly beyond repair.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 8, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Going back to draft talk
Levon Washington in rd 2 anyone?
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
pictures and stuff
draft is srs bznz!
Zack Cox (k.law vid) | local coverage | video interview
Seth Blair (warmup vid) | opposing team
Tyrell Jenkins (vid) | interview
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
bj rains is better when he's covering news.
full coverage, etc. try to imagine Luhnow’s exclamation points.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I seriously hope that
they dont call Suppan
This guys so good(Pujols) He should be illegal-Pirates announcers
I think we're all going to be disappointed
at least for a start or 3
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
to be fair
at this point he can’t be worse than any of the other 5th starter options. i hope they give lynn a chance first, though.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
Lynn. . .
hasn’t been particularly impressive in AAA thus far this season.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jun 8, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
he's not been there long
I don’t think he’s mlb ready yet.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 8, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Has there been any word on Colby's calf today?
I am curious as to when he will be able to return to the lineup. Randy Winn is best taken in small doses.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Dan and Al said last night
that Colby could’ve played yesterday, but the team wanted to be cautious. I’m sure he plays today.
Regression, bitches.
Hopefully!
we could do with stringing together a couple of wins.
Any word is Cox is starting today ;-)?
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 8, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Where is MooCow when we need him?
He is the go-to guy for all bovine related news.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 8, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i wouldn't trust MooCow anywhere near
Colby’s calf.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I've been waiting for someone to comment on his daughter...
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
that was so last month
we all know she doesn’t know her own strength.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Ankiel as a pitcher references...
ouch. That’s all I can really say. Please don’t make that a habit, DanUp. My heart can’t take it.
"And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is ALBERT when I lay my vengeance upon thee." -The Bible
as long as it's an arm comparison and not a psyche comparison
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
I'll be interested to hear RB's take on our picks
I really like Cox FWIW but there was kinda an embarassment of riches at that point, with Castellanos (who I know he liked better than Cox, and who most mocks had as a top 20 guy), Bryce Brentz and Austin Wilson still there as positional players, and a bunch of great pitchers too.
I’m really not sure who I’d have taken. I think, given the four quality hitters there, it’d have been one of them. I was really high on Brentz and Wilson before the draft, though I thought they might both have been gone (really disappointed we didn’t spring Brentz with the 1st supp pick, FWIW), but in retrospect probably the two third basemen were the best picks, probably. Either way, I think we had a pretty good day, all in all. I’d love to see a power-hitting prospect in the 2nd round (any chance Brentz makes it?), although I think if AJ Cole’s available and will sign for anything remotely close to slot (late first round money might be OK), I’d take him, but obviously with two potentially tough signs in the first round, I guess we’ll probably struggle to do that, which would be a shame.
I just hope if there’s a top talent available at 75, we take him, though. We REALLY need to build up this farm system and I think if we spend any extra cash this year, it should be landing guys like Cole or Brentz, instead of signing a washed up pitching retread for the major league team.
Still bitching to contact.
Double check the draft results -- the Red Sox nabbed Brentz in the Sup. Round
I like Cole though.
"And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is ALBERT when I lay my vengeance upon thee." -The Bible
by Cardinals645 on Jun 8, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
oh lol
yeah I know that, whoops. I was lauding the Red Sox for their draft in this same thread, I think. They had a terrific draft. Three good players. That really is a well-run franchise.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 8, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
The Rays were impressive as well, I thought.
Sale, O’Connor, Kettleson. All nice picks; different from the Red Sox in that they’re all HSers instead of Collegians, but similar in talent.
Tigers also showed everyone up, considering they didn’t have a 1st round pick, by nabbing Castellanos so late.
"And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is ALBERT when I lay my vengeance upon thee." -The Bible
by Cardinals645 on Jun 8, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
I think if they go over slot in round 2 they could have a superb draft, better than ours even, without a first round pick.
I really like Chance Ruffin as well, he’s quite similar to our pick of Scott Bittle last year but (yet) without the injury problems. I think he’ll be a good major league closer/set-up guy, sooner rather than later.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 8, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe because of damon?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I thought you lost a second rounder for
signing type a/b’s, but I guess that would make sense.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
or was it valverde?
"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."
draft coverage has resumed.
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/events/draft/y2010/draftlive_app.jsp
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
when does round 2 start?
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 8, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
hahaha. "listeners do not have access to this call"
…I hear.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
it begins now.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Jeff Gordon says Cards should sign Suppan.
I agree with the idea of “what’s there to lose?” but I think there are better options out there. Thoughts?
http://www.stltoday.com/sports/cards#stl-masthead
Gamethreads suck.
they're right
I have no sanity left.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Come on
Aaron Miles has suffered enough. That’s not fair to him.
Jobu needs a refill
by lightbulb on Jun 8, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Gordon also wrote last week that the cards were lacking veteraness
And then they called up Miles and signed Winn.
"what’s there to lose?"
Lots and lots of baseball games. Ohhhhh yeah, a hell of a lot of baseball games. An absolute FUCKLOAD.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 8, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
we can roll for the next 3 weeks without walters or hawksworth
if TLR had just done the sensible thing and used the off-day to keep the other four starters on regular rest, we’d have had Carpenter starting yesterday (I think) with opportunities during the next couple of weeks to reset the rotation on off-days. Walters would have to make maybe 2 more starts before Penny’s back.
Also, Suppan is awful. He’s just as bad as Hawksworth or Walters, or anyone in our minor league system. If we’re picking up a dumpster dive might as well at least go for someone like Jarrod Washburn, who’s been so-so lately.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 8, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
worried about carp game tonite
iirc, he doesn’t fare well with the extra day off, which is even more baffling why he didn’t start last night.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
It makes as much sense as signing Aaron Miles.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
+1
like i said, he can’t be any worse. at least he’s actually had success at this level, once upon a time.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
The only thing that is a possibility of hope with Soup is
getting him back together with Dunc, Mason, and Carp. I’m sure they could find out how he’s tipping his pitches in a matter of a few bullpen sessions.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 8, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
he rears back to pitch
you ask the batter what’s coming
he says “some 80mph slop”
so, at least in that respect, i suppose he is tipping his pitches…
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 8, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
hahahaha
I actually meant to come back and finish that thought like that.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 8, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
slop? that's French onion!
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Interesting tidbits on Jenkins from that BJ Rains article
I hadn’t really heard of him much tbh but he sounds like a real upside pick. A bit like Stock last year, I’m liking this more and more as I find out more about the guy:
The most intriguing pick of the night appears to be Jenkins, a three-sport star who has signed to play quarterback at Baylor. He was ranked as the 39th best-overall player in the draft by Baseball America If the Cardinals are able to get him under contract and into their system, Luhnow believes he could join last year’s top pick, Shelby Miller, as anchors of the Cardinals starting rotation in a couple of years.
"Jenkins is a physical specimen, he’s a tremendous athlete," Luhnow said. "It’s a long drive from Dallas Fort-Worth airport to Henderson, Texas, but we did it all spring. The day I saw him pitch, he ran a track meet, and then came over and changed into his baseball clothes and pitched and was still hitting 93 in the sixth inning. He’s got four pitches, and it’s very rare that you see a high school kid who has four defined distinct pitches. Often times they will think they have different pitches, they will call them a slider and a curveball but they are really the same pitch. This guy has a slider, he has a curveball, he has a changeup, and he has a fastball with sink and movement."
Still bitching to contact.
Thats a lot of money to turn down
To get your degree.
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
It's his job. Pimp up the prospects, trade them when they're overvalued
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
FWIW
From klaw: I heard Allie turned down a $2 million offer from a team I won’t name during the draft last night.
Looks like he’s going to UNC.
Or Pittsburgh
The ‘new’ Pirates — getting aggressive.
"And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is ALBERT when I lay my vengeance upon thee." -The Bible
by Cardinals645 on Jun 8, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
They need to
The Pirates have been bad for a long time
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
maybe the Pirates should consider giving out college degrees
to players, as they are already basically a college/minor league team at the major league level. They’d get a lot of interest from high schoolers. "Here at the University of Buccos, we offer not only a chance to play ball on a nationally recognized team, but we also offer one of the finest educations a poorly run franchise can give. "
honorary degrees from Pitt?
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
it's possible he wanted to play for them
we’ll see.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Draft thread
Nats – Sammy Solis
orly!
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Buccos
Stetson Allie
ORLY.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Braves
Todd Cunningham
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
KC
Brett Eibner
as a pitcher
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Indians
LeVon Washington
who is apparently Boras’d and indifferent.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
D-backs
James Bradley
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Sauks
Brandon Workman
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Stros
Vincent Velasquez
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I dunno if replying to yourself is the best way to make this thread very readable FWIW
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 8, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
it's in order
jerk
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Padres
Gyorko.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
yeah really.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
A's
Yordy Cabrera
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Jays
Griffin Murphy LHP
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Reds
Ryan LaMarre
CF
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
White Sox
Jacob Petricka
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Brew crew
James Nelson
giant RHP from Alabama
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Small bears
Reggie Golden
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Rays
Jacob Thompson
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Solution to our current rotation woes
SIGN JOHN SMOLTZ!
"And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is ALBERT when I lay my vengeance upon thee." -The Bible
It will take him too long to get ready.
I really wish they would have signed Pedro or Smoltz as soon as they knew something was wrong with Lohse. Then the guy would have been ready to pitch by the end of June, instead of now, late July. We’ve basically lost a month w/ a free agent, which really doesn’t help us.
dear mlbn
SHUT THE FUCK UP.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
zomg can someone shoot this guy
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Royals
Bree Ivner
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
Brett
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
i'm up there
and i’m spelling it rite.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Hookt on fonix
didnt work 4 mee
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
Damn
Solis and Eibner gone. Two guys I’d have really liked. Solis at 75 would’ve been really nice, even though I kinda want a hitter now.
Still bitching to contact.
Nitro High School
Greatest name ever
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
Wow
the Buccos took Allie? Surely they can’t pay him?
Mind you if they get Allie and Taillon, they might have the two nastiest RHPs in the whole draft, arm-wise. That would be an awesome effort for Huntington. I bet Allie doesn’t sign though, which is a bit of a waste.
Still bitching to contact.
The bigger question is. . .
even if they do have the cash/make the offer to sign him, does Allie sign for that. With the Buccos.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jun 8, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Workman to the RedSox
holy shit they’ve had an incredible draft. FOUR potential first round talents now, if they can sign him.
The crowd of decent talents is thinning
Still bitching to contact.
Gyorko gone
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
damn
I suppose we got the real infield prize in Cox. Of the guys I wanted in the 2nd round, there’s pretty much only Cole left. Not a lot of signability picks going now – I guess that’s the way it goes after all the teams with multiple picks are done in round one, all the teams who only had one pick can spend more $$$ in round 2.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 8, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Sounded like a late riser
On Mlb network
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
Yordy Cabrera to the A's
he’s a VERY Beane-esque guy, I’d have said. Good glove and a lot of potential is about all I remember.
Still bitching to contact.
At what slots do we pick today?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Griffin Murphy gone
so I guess no LHP. Actually, is Walton a LHP? He’s still there, right?
Still bitching to contact.
Bryan Harper is still on the board to
As a LHP
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
Ahhhh, the OTHER Harper....
a few over at FR were keen on him. I’m not too high but thats only going on what I’ve heard. He’d be an intriguing pick though.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 8, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I like him
He hits 92- 93 and looks to have a frame that can fill out a bit.
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
Padres lie to themselves by calling Gyorko a SS
A’s are a bit more honest, drafting Cabrera as a 3B
"And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is ALBERT when I lay my vengeance upon thee." -The Bible
The padres requested
That Gyorko be listed as a 2nd baseman.
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
Ah, it says SS online.
"And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is ALBERT when I lay my vengeance upon thee." -The Bible
by Cardinals645 on Jun 8, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Its kool.
I heard it during the call.
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
Golden gone now
not too many of the guys who were possible first rounders left.
Come on Cole, PLEASE….
Still bitching to contact.
Teams have really gone to work, picking up the best talents left
From KG’s Top Ten Remaining list from last night only 4 are left:
Cole
Wilson
Stanek
Hahn
"And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is ALBERT when I lay my vengeance upon thee." -The Bible
Hahn would be OK
but I think he needs TJ. He’s a BIG injury risk but would probably sign for slot in round 2. Wilson won’t sign so I guess he’s out, dunno about Stanek. Cole is the guy I want. I doubt we have the money as he wants first round cash apparently, but he’d be a great sign. Maybe Hahn, on balance, would be a nice risk for little cash.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 8, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I could live with Paxton for sure
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 8, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Yup
"And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is ALBERT when I lay my vengeance upon thee." -The Bible
by Cardinals645 on Jun 8, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Jays
Kellen Sweeney
as 3B
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Braves
Andrelton Simmons
from Curacao
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Twins
Cartier Goodrum
SS switch hitter
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Rangers
Cody Buckel
who is apparently wee and scrappy.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Fish
Robert Rasmussen
who is an actual person!
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Giants
Jarrett Parker
CF
((sorry, my bad … several previous were LHPs.))
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
aight, MLBN is just putting up some nonsense
their feed does not match what’s being said, nor what’s being aired.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
two more to go.... one of Cole or Paxton almost guaranteed to be there...
Still bitching to contact.
And now, just regular guaranteed.
"And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is ALBERT when I lay my vengeance upon thee." -The Bible
by Cardinals645 on Jun 8, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
yup
i guess we don’t take on, though. Too much money.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 8, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea...we're just being greedy
we’re not Red Sox fans, after all. we can’t expect too many great picks.
"And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is ALBERT when I lay my vengeance upon thee." -The Bible
by Cardinals645 on Jun 8, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Jarret Parker OF
To Giants
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
Matther Swaggerty?
Another catcher/pitcher?
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
That's a sweet fucking name
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
More Stock than Motte, I'd say.
Or, perhaps, the bizarro Stock? Drafted more as a pitcher than a catcher, I’m thinking; whereas, Stock was drafted more as a catcher than a pitcher.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
...closer of the future?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
His mechanics look funky, yeah?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
ours: Jordan Swagerty
redraft
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Seth Blair's teammate at ASU
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
How was ASU's baseball program?
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
Thats cool then
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
Mike Leake came from there
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
okay, there is something deeply wrong with MLBN
hang on.
Matthew Swagerty.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
He's been listed as both
Probably a middle name being used as a first name thing
"And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is ALBERT when I lay my vengeance upon thee." -The Bible
by Cardinals645 on Jun 8, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
this calls for a nickname!
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Swagger Stick
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
Yeah. Matthew Jordan Swagerty
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Man the cards must not like there pitchingdepth in the minors
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
I don't know how a team could ever like their pitching depth.
Depth becomes the shallows at a rapid rate when it comes to pitching.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Fair enough
It just seems like the Cardinals are loading up on pitching
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
I like this.
Maybe I should do a Fanpost on this, but I think that giving pitchers multi-year deals is riskier than doing so with position players. With Holliday and Pujols taking up such a large share of future payrolls, we will need three-fifths of our rotation and 100 percent of our bullpen to be cheap, cost-controlled players that were internally developed. Also, keep in mind that we have traded away and promoted a fair amount of pitching in the last few years.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
unimportant details
a young woman announced our draft pick.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
she sounded more clear than the other (two?) women who got to announce.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I did update the first draft thread
with links to the Christmas party pics.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Angelo Gumbs. hehe.
Yanks’ pick.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
so who else are we looking for? lots of LHP off the board.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Yeah
I think he got caught up a little bit last year in trying to get drafted, but he can hit. Not sure he can hit for enough power to play 1B and he’s pretty rough in the OF though.
Not afraid to nitpick
Put him in LF once Holliday gets DFAed
He has very nice opposite field power swing mechanics, so nice that I use him as an example of what a good swing look like for my clients.
He’s got The Swing.
I would definitely take Hahn if he's there in round 3
seems Swagerty is kinda a low-ceiling type who might be a reliever, might as well shoot for the moon with a high-upside injury risk.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 8, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
from a scouting report from 2007, FWIW, I guess from high school:
Jordan Swagerty is a 2008 C/P with a 6’1’’, 175 lb. frame from Sachse, TX who attends Prestonwood Christian Academy. He has a lean and athletic build with a good combination of looseness and strength. Swagerty is one of the top 2-way prospects in the country. He didn’t catch in HS this past spring because he played on the same team with 2006 Aflac All American catcher Cameron Rupp, but Swagerty is an All American catcher himself. He is very quick and athletic behind the plate. His throw/pop times in Cincinnati can be disregarded as he pitched the day before they were recorded. Swagerty is a switch hitter who shows better hitting mechanics and bat speed from the left side. He has very quick wrists and a fluid, easy swing and shows gap to gap type of power. As good as he is catching, he was probably more impressive on the mound in Cincinnati. Swagerty showed three average to plus pitches and great command and feel for the strike zone. Some of the best hitters in the country took some really poor hacks against him and he dominated. Swagerty’s fastball was 88-92 mph with excellent life at the plate. His curveball was nasty up to 78 mph with sharp downer break and very tight spin. His change up had heavy sinking action and very good deception as well. Swagerty just toyed with the hitters and overmatched them. Scouts aren’t going to look at a slender 6-1 pitcher quite the way they would at a switch-hitting catcher, but they’ll have to make some sort of decision. Swagerty is a good student off the field. Selected to 2007 Aflac All-American team.
Still bitching to contact.
Hence forth, Mattew Jordan Swagerty will be known as
Old Spice
That is all, carry on.
by stxcardsfan on Jun 8, 2010 12:47 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I like it. I hope it sticks.
"And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is ALBERT when I lay my vengeance upon thee." -The Bible
by Cardinals645 on Jun 8, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
hopefully he gels with his teammates
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
waa waa waaaaaa
hasn’t he played with a bunch of them?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Old Spice
Blocks Odor
Blocks breaking balls in the dirt
by stxcardsfan on Jun 8, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
FWIW
I hear Swagerty was projected a “low second round” talent. So probably a kinda signability pick.
I really don’t like 2-way prospects, but we’ll see how this pans out. Scouting looks interesting.
Here’s his official SunDevils page:
http://thesundevils.cstv.com/sports/m-basebl/mtt/swagerty_jordan00.html
Still bitching to contact.
Is it wrong that last night I thought someone drafted
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 8, 2010 12:49 PM EDT reply actions
Yeah, looks like my Cole fix will have to wait a year or two.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 8, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
University of miami
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
I heard he was still looking for 1st round money
so given we’re nearly through the 2nd, I’m guessing he’s going to college. Where, I dunno.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 8, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Swaggerty
Like the mechanics, LOVE the curveball.
Probably a plus pitch and with some tutoring from Waino could end up plus plus.
And given that he apparently has a plus changeup
Has a shot to be a starter if the preconceptions on big/tall/strong pitchers don’t get in the way.
Not afraid to nitpick
Astros need a new speaker phone.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
meanwhile, the A's are calling from the 80s.
on a giant cellular phone.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
"And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is ALBERT when I lay my vengeance upon thee." -The Bible
by Cardinals645 on Jun 8, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
dude, the Red Sox are calling from a walkie-talkie in a hurricane!
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
That's exactly what I thought of when I read that
man, I loved me some Trigger Happy TV
Baseball fans are junkies, and their heroin is the statistic
-Robert S. Wieder
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Jun 8, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Houston pick up ANOTHER speedster
isn’t Bourn enough? DeShields and Wates now.
Still bitching to contact.
seems like the Stros may be stealing from Mo's projected needs for the draft
Next they’ll be chasing LH pitchers. They are trying to sabotage us!
FR Has a great wrap on swagerty:
http://www.futureredbirds.net/2010/06/08/round-2-pick-75-matthew-swagerty/#more-5248
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 8, 2010 12:56 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Meanwhile, the sun rises in the east, the Cubs lose,
and the Astros make terrible draft picks…
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Sauks get Addison Reed
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
wait wait.
Red Sox or White Sox?
I simply do not trust MLBN
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
cubs cannot resist
guys named Micah
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
rays draft a david eckstein!
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Interestingly
Cubs second round pick was way higher on most boards than their first, I think. Pretty sure some had Golden going in the first or the supplementals. On BCB they’re saying most had their first round guy as a 4th-7th round type.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 8, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Ditto Gibbs actually
I think he was one of the top 3 or 4 catchers, supposedly. They’ve had a much better day 2!
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 8, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Sounds to me like Swagerty is almost 100% certain to be a reliever
He’s only really caught spot starts and hasn’t really hit a lick (although is a switcheroo).
Still bitching to contact.
i wasnt really talking about that
and I agree.
http://www.futureredbirds.net/2010/06/08/round-2-pick-75-matthew-swagerty/#more-5248
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 8, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Stanek to the M's.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Rays pick up a SS who MLB regard as "Scrappy". That's always a good sign.
Meanwhile STANEK FALLS TO THE MARINERS. They’ve had a quiet draft but that’s a hell of a pick in round 3 if he signs.
Still bitching to contact.
do we cut to our VEB special correspondent now?
bloody production values!
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Noooooooooooo lol
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
Why hello there!
I have absolutely no news on this… I saw the Baseball Ops guys in the copy room the other day, but when I asked if I could glance at their notes, they immediately shot me down
Jerks
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
make something up
we’ll believe you
it’s on the internet
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Well, my sources in the front office tell me that they view Stanek as a future #1 pitcher in the mold of Roy Halladay
They’re hoping to bypass the minors for him, and make the ever so rare HS-to-MLB transition
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
thanks mysterui. back to you, Monk.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
SENSATIONAL NEWS HERE AS KEN GRIFFEY JR IS DRAFTED BY THE CINCINATTI REDS IN THE THIRD ROUND....
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 8, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
From MLB Draft Tracker thingy,
this is the COMMENT on Stanek:
Stanek committed to the University of Arkansas.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jun 8, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
not including wilson
who are some guys left we like?
"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."
isn't walton still there?
somebody further up liked the other Harper (Bryan). Both lefties I think, so if that’s what we want…
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 8, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd love Cole
but realistically after they got Swagerty in rnd 2 there’s no way we go a bazillion dollars over slot in rnd 3.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 8, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
i believe we're up next.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I'm not spelling that lol
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
wow thats a mouthful
"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."
see? I told y'all she has dulcet tones.
better phone connection
better enunciation.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
SAMUEL TUAVIAVIAVIIVAVIVAIVIAVAIVIVAVIIIIIAAAALA!
awesome. That’ll be fun for a few years.
Still bitching to contact.
Sam TV
Done.
"And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is ALBERT when I lay my vengeance upon thee." -The Bible
TV
Sounds like the wrong type of porn lol
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
we're on fire
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
It's the Moonman.
Everybody knows it’s coming, you just chuckle, shake your head and move on.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 8, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Kinda like if Harry Carey were around to say Kaisake Fukudome everyday.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 8, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
a line that Dennis Miller came up with.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 8, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep, You can't beat him, just join the cult, it's inevitable.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 8, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Tuivailalalalalala
"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."
Samuel Tuivailala
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Man
I bet Tyrell could
take him lol’
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
ok ok!
when’s it our turn again??!!
"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."
He's a highschool SS
think he’s pitched a little too. Also plays basketball AND football! Sounds an interesting athlete.
Still bitching to contact.
where's he from?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Aragon HS
Cali
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 8, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
he sounds badass
Tuivailala allowed six hits and one walk and struck out six in 6 1-3 innings.
"He was a great pitcher, probably the best we’ve faced all year, definitely the hardest throwing," said Aptos’ starting pitcher, sophomore Jordan Talbot.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
same game
May 21—APTOS — When 6-foot-3, 200-pound Aragon High ace Sam Tuivailala stepped on the mound Thursday afternoon, it was an impressive sight. So much so, that a handful of professional scouts jostled for position behind the backstop and pointed their radar guns his direction.
Armed with a 90-mph fastball and a hard-biting curve, Tuivailala was poised to lead the No. 14 seed Dons to an upset of Aptos in the teams’ first-round Central Coast Section Division II playoff game.
Tuivailala, who has signed to play for Fresno State next season, was everything he was billed to be.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
also
“The loss hurts, but it’s still been a [heck] of a season,” Tuivailala said. “We’ll come back next year and get it done. You just have to tip your hat to all those guys [at Aptos]. They’re a good-hitting team and very disciplined.”
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
sounds like he's essentially virtually unknown
but might be a nice uncovering. I bet he wasn’t that high on anyone else’s draft board but he sounds like a project.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 8, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
he sounds like Carp, essentially.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
i hope he's been picked for ss ability
and not as a pitcher.
not sure what you mean about carp – he was a number one.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
...ace of staff? that sounds like a number one?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
well, many of these guys are aces of their high school staffs
but are drafted to be position players. i meant carp was number one pick, and as a pitcher.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
gotta line up Boog's replacement(s)
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Sean Coyle
to BoSox
"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."
I can't find nothing on the guy through google
guessing FR will have an update and some BA quotes etc. soon enough.
Anyway, time to go home for me. See y’all later.
Still bitching to contact.
peace
Have a good one monk
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
the sb nation hubs look awesome
i can’t wait until st. louis’ launches (after looking at arizona’s). looks pretty sweet. and congrats, danup.
a little curious that the cards didn’t draft a middle infielder, considering that’s where we’re weak imo (plus kozma hasn’t done a thing since we drafted him).
Albert's grand slam, 7/3/09
@zoomzoomj88
Boog's stache is back!
Aaron Miles, Tony? Really?
2 position players; 2 MIFers...
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jun 8, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Just did.
Samuel TV, a HS SS, athlete.
"And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is ALBERT when I lay my vengeance upon thee." -The Bible
I'm not taking the position switch for granted
There’s a decent chance, but it’s not a slam dunk. I’d rather be pleasantly surprised.
"And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is ALBERT when I lay my vengeance upon thee." -The Bible
Cox
Projects as a 2b
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
I'm skeptical
He’s not all that quick and hasn’t played the position much.
babip giveth... and babip taketh away
...to be fair, he can't be worse than Skip
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
oh
well… i stand corrected.
Albert's grand slam, 7/3/09
@zoomzoomj88
Boog's stache is back!
Aaron Miles, Tony? Really?
but also as an outfielder
which there’s maybe a better chance of
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
he was projected to go around the third
so it’s a fine pick. I don’t think he sticks at 3b, but he sprays line drives with the best of them. He hit .434/.516/.788 this year for Tulane.
Don't like that walk rate
ISO’s nice though
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
i was curious when he'd go
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
ah, that's the kid you went across the lake to see
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
i'm curious what's the deal with paxton
injury, boras…? wouldn’t have minded taking him with our last pick.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
sorry dudes.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
btw, i just asked Andy Seiler
and he said that Paxton was rusty this spring and never had great results.
ok, thanks
still a little strange he fell so far.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
seeya Cole
"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."
Nats take AJ Cole
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
the cole pick was the last of the supp 3rd
but yes, now its the 4th
"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."
ok, so the pick is protected then?
If they had taken him in the 4th round, it’d no longer be a protected pick, right?
From NBC Sports: Notable first starts
Young Carp – May 12, 1997
http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/37556369
WARNING: There is a certain heart breaker included in that slideshow.
"When I gave up a grand slam to Pete LaCock," Bob Gibson said later, "I knew it was time to quit."
interesting, i expected the heartbreaker to be ankiel
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
So far, not a huge fan of the Card's draft
only pick I really like is Tyrell
babip giveth... and babip taketh away
and at this point
I’m not really familiar with the rest of the draft
babip giveth... and babip taketh away
what about Brett Wallace Jr.?
we should be able to use him to trade for DeRosa next year to play 2B
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
Pads take Chris Bisson
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
A's take Chad Lewis
"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."
Jays take Sam Dyson
"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."
so here's something awesome.
the cardinals are in phoenix this weekend and i splurged to get tickets right above the cardinals dugout and right behind home plate. then i look at the pitching probables for friday and saturday, and they are both “to be announced.” just awesome.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
whoever pitches saturday goes against haren
maybe they should pitch jaime saturday and otto friday
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
If it matters that much.....
maybe you should have looked at the pitching probables BEFORE buying tickets.
Right, because the pitching schedule hasn't got all fucked up
in the last week.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I honestly can't figure out what the schedule will be for next week.
I’m going to 5 games, with an off day in between, and an off day this Thursday. My best guess is I’ll see Waino twice, or maybe Carp.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
exactly. i would have gone to the games no matter what
just wanted to vent for a minute about how the matchups don’t look favorable. at least i might get carp on Sunday.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
I selfishly hope you don't get
to see Carp on Sunday.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
i'd actually rather see waino since i just got a wainwright shirsey (is that the right word?)
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
But Waino throws after Carp,
So you’ll either get Carp on Sunday, or Jaime, Otto, PJ (Soup?)
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
if i have to watch PJ pitch i will be sad.
rooting for the guy, but he’s not ready.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
I am still hoping that the 14th is Chris F. Carpenter day.
If not, Waino day will suffice.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Reds take Brodie Greene
"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."
ChiSox take Matthew Grimes
i know a matt grimes…
"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."
Any relation to Frank "Grimey" Grimes?
Baseball fans are junkies, and their heroin is the statistic
-Robert S. Wieder
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Jun 8, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I think I want
Hunter Morris
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
is it me or are all the brew crew picks
huge guys?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Brewers take Hunter Morris
"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."
There on my crap list now lol
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
So I was at the Dodgers Cardinals game last night
Holy fuck that was a shitty experience. I went with two friends, one was a fellow Cardinals and the other liked Los Doyers, and it was just not pleasant sitting there watching Hawksworth and Walters give that team battting practice all night.
Pujols had a fucking 0-4 night with a bad play in the field, and people behind me we’re like “apparently he’s the best first basemen in the game… ptsh”. And then their was the steroids talk. GOD. I cannot wait until I go back Wednesday and Waino pitches a shutout.
I fucking hate going to Chavez Ravine
USC’s like 3 miles away, and I’ve never gotten to the stadium in under 2 hours
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
its the worst layout of any stadium i've ever been to.
2 hours to get in, another 2 just to get out of the parking lot. and also dodgers fans are the worst
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
They're talking shit about steroids?
With Manny on their own fucking team?
by mattisnotfrench on Jun 8, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah if i were VEP, i may have turned around and mentioned that.
and then ducked, for flying beer bottles come shortly after that
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
Cubs take Hunter Ackerman
"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."
Rays take Austin Wood
"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."
Mariners take James Paxton
"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."
effin Canadian
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Tigers take Cole Green
"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."
Mitch Cole Green
"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."
Braves take David Fitak
"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."
Twins take Eddie Rosario
"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."
they do NOT take Rafael Lopez...
"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."
yes, that is the high school.
who is this guy in the middle?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
klaw on Swagerty:
Cards take another Klaw favorite in Jordan Swagerty – I think he’ll be a fan favorite too, little guy with attitude
i think of inspector gadget when I hear that.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
so basically
Boog’s replacement.
hahahaha. they’re everywhereeeee.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Boog can never be replaced.
Not in my heart, anyway. His bat definitely could…
The first thing that a pitcher has to understand is that Albert is better than you.-- Jim Palmer
...don't watch the last three months, then.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Oh, he's been pitiful.
But he still has that happy-go-lucky attitude, right?
The first thing that a pitcher has to understand is that Albert is better than you.-- Jim Palmer
essentially
I did not see him smile at all until the last game at San Diego.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Found it.
Ahaha. WOW.
The first thing that a pitcher has to understand is that Albert is better than you.-- Jim Palmer
if you're reading the man thong thing
no one could believe The Cat was saying what he was saying.
Dan even made a joke.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I would also like to see his throws replaced
He has solid arm strength, but I feel like he is constantly pulling AP off the bag to one side or another.
he was *really* bad last year
he was on track this year, then after he went off the rails, that went too.
so hopefully it’s something he can drill back into his game.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Rangers take Drew Robinson
"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."
Marlins take Alvin Toles
"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."
Giants take Seth Rosin
"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."
We're on the clock!
The first thing that a pitcher has to understand is that Albert is better than you.-- Jim Palmer
We take Cody Stanley
"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."
a catcher!
thank you, Dulcet-toned Lady.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
threw out about 30% of baserunners
we’re drafting us.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
or the bane of us
"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."
too much of a good thing....
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Well, Cody Stanley.
huh. We like catchers.
The first thing that a pitcher has to understand is that Albert is better than you.-- Jim Palmer
The more important question is
how’s his fastball?
Baseball fans are junkies, and their heroin is the statistic
-Robert S. Wieder
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Jun 8, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Rox take Russel Wilson
"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."
speaking of qb's
funniest draft-day projection i read was on the clemson qb, who is projected to be limited to left field because of his arm.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Rox take Russell Wilson.
No picture on MLBN…
The first thing that a pitcher has to understand is that Albert is better than you.-- Jim Palmer
Just glancing at some scouting reports
Stanley doesn’t look like a major leaguer
babip giveth... and babip taketh away
Need some career minor leaguers,
I guess. Oh well.
in ten years, Stanley slugs 40 home runs and proves us wrong
I can hope, anyway.
The first thing that a pitcher has to understand is that Albert is better than you.-- Jim Palmer
Sorry...
the second day instant analysis strikes me as sort of silly. They’re not going to draft guys with lots of talent and lots of leverage with every pick.
DFA Miles, Call up Cox
it's like a game thread.
let us have our fun.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
It's next to impossible to really...
have anything intelligent to say about these guys… I can see the first 50 picks or so, but Tuivalala? The evidence is a couple paragraphs by the usual draft dudes and a grainy you tube video.
DFA Miles, Call up Cox
so have fun making comment after comment about how it's silly!
enjoy yourself
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I don't think I've made "comment after comment"
about any such thing. I just think declaring that Stanley “doesn’t look like a major leaguer” five minutes after he was drafted is sort of ludicrous.
Hyperbole much?
DFA Miles, Call up Cox
keep going!
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Actually, here's a report that likes Stanley
Stanley gets the edge over Rupp due to better athleticism, but, really, the two are similar prospects in many respects. Both have plus power potential, both have plus throwing arms (Stanley’s isn’t as strong, but better footwork and a quicker release helps narrow the gap), and both profile as solid big league defenders behind the plate. Pretty similar, right? So what exactly gives Stanley the advantage as a prospect? Well, we’ve already covered Stanley’s superior athleticism, but the UNC Wilmington catcher also bests his Texas counterpart in baserunning (Stanley has great instincts and is an average runner for a catcher) and track record with a wood bat (Stanley killed it on the Cape this past summer). Stanley over Rupp by a hair; the proof is in the parentheses.
babip giveth... and babip taketh away
i don't know rupp either
taking it he hasn’t been picked yet.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
rupp went a while back
100 or so. He had a write up on the mlb draft site, FWIW.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 8, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Phillies take Bryan Morgado
"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."
Dodgers take James Baldwin
"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."
James Baldwin III
"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."
the
third
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
don't you forget it.
"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."
James Baldwin....
THE THIRD!
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
he might be the third, but he's only their second james baldwin
didn’t they have a pitcher by that name? maybe this is his son, or maybe i’ve got the name wrong.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
yep. second gens abound.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I believe you're thinking of Adam.
or is it Alec? F’n Baldwins.
Baseball fans are junkies, and their heroin is the statistic
-Robert S. Wieder
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Jun 8, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
no, just checked b-r
it was james baldwin, so very well could be his son. james played a while, had some decent years.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Yeah, i looked him up too.
Just making a bad Baldwin brothers joke.
Baseball fans are junkies, and their heroin is the statistic
-Robert S. Wieder
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Jun 8, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Is it the Baldwin brothers that are bad...or the joke?
Because it works either way.
by Ghostrider520 on Jun 8, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
BoSox take Garin Cecchini
"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."
'Why, hello.
Yes, I’m James the third’s butler. Oh you’ve drafted him. I see. Yes, I shall inform him post haste.’
The first thing that a pitcher has to understand is that Albert is better than you.-- Jim Palmer
by ilrosso on Jun 8, 2010 1:48 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Angels take Max Russell
"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."
Not to break up the draft talk...
but I just wanted to make a comment on Matt Carpenter.
While he’s a bit older, the kid is hitting like a mad man and his defense ain’t nothing to sneeze at either. I’ve been watching him everyday since the jump to Springfield and have not once been unimpressed with what he’s brought to the team. His consistent hitting really isn’t very luck-based, he seems to have an amazing eye for the strike zone and quick enough hands to react on it. I watched him foul off seven consecutive pitches last month before finally turning one around for an RBI double (something he’s not unfarmiliar with this year).
At any rate, I have embarassingly strong man-crush tendencies and Matt Carpenter is filling the role quite nicely this year.
by mynameistyler on Jun 8, 2010 1:49 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Yanks take Mason Williams
Mason is an awesome name.
"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."
Cody Stanley page
has videos in
http://www.uncwsports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=19800&ATCLID=1357845
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this is now Round 5.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Round 5
Nats take Jason Martinson
"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."
Bucs take Tyler Waltrip
amirite?
"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."
O's take Connor Narron
"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."
Royals take Jason Adam
"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."
committed to Mizzou
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
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Indians take Cole Cook
"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."
DBacks take Cody Wheeler
"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."
Mets take Matthew Decker
"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."
err Dekker
"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."
dammit, I was going to reply to someone, and I lost it.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Stros take Ben Heath
"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."
little to no info on him
poor ’stros
"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."
Pads take Joblonski Noel
"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."
looks like they did a little transposing there.
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A's take Tyler Vail
"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."
why is that name so familiar?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Jays take Dickie (teehee) Thon
"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."
from Puerto Rico
another second gen
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Why would anybody want to stick their kid with that name?
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 8, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
what parent would stick their kick with Dickie?
that’s messed up man.
"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."
did they say what position he played?
wondering if he’s like pops.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
y'all will have to google it up yourselves
it’s hard to keep track of the speed round.
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Thon
Word is that his dad thought that he was twins for the first 5 years of his life.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jun 8, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Reds take John Mugarian
"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."
I was *kidding* about the Strasburg coverage.
it’s 1pm ct and they’re already live and going.
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coverage, not the game.
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ChiSox take Andrew Wilkins
"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."
Brewers take Matthew Miller
there’s a pun in there somewhere…
"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."
Cubs take... someone way before they were supposed to
!
"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."
haha
Szczur
it’s even more bizzaro draft than the Stros
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Awesome scrabble name.
I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons
by hazel on Jun 8, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
sounds like a local kid from the hungarian neighborhood
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Cubs actually take Matthew Szczur
"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."
how is this even pronounced?
"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."
like "cesar"
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crazy
"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."
prolly Czech .
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 8, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
hungarian is my guess
the non-americanized pronunciation would be more like scherzer. lots of those names in hungary, anyway, and that’s how they say it.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Prolly so. I'm not too up on my Eastern European names. Just went to school with some kids that were Czeck descent
and their last name was F’d up like that.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 8, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
football, eh?
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yeah
Villanova won the national championship in the FCS and Szczur was their best player. I have no idea of his baseball acumen.
so.... college football players with surnames beginning with S and are unspellable?
do I have that right?
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if only he was a wide receiver and gets a guaranteed deal with ntc
any idea what position he played – running back, qb? didn’t brian westbrook come out of nova?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Rays take Ian Kendall
"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."
Mariners take Stephen Pryor
"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."
Tigers take Alexander Burgos
"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."
Re: Stanley
“He was a high school punter at Clinton High…” Not this again.
The first thing that a pitcher has to understand is that Albert is better than you.-- Jim Palmer
Braves take Philip Gosselin
"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."
Twins take Nathaniel Roberts
"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."
Rangers take Justin Grimm
"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."
Marlins take Robert Morey
"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."
apparently they all know each other
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
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Giants take Richard Hembree
we’re on the board!
"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."
Zach Cox on Bernie's show at 1:30
I will provide cliff notes as best I can (barring my boss coming to my desk)
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
we salute your efforts
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my small contribution to VEB
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Jun 8, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
We take Nicholas Longmire
"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."
i take it that we no nothing about this guy
"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."
am limited by the sbnness of this sbn.
speed is way down.
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fortunately not a pitcher
that’s a lot of L’s in his name.
http://pacifictigers.cstv.com/sports/m-basebl/mtt/longmire_nick00.html
he enjoys working out and long walks on the beach…
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short video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Vi1_x0-jQs
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Rox take Joshua Slaats
"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."
Phillies take Scott Frazier
"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."
Dodgers take Jake Lemmerman
"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."
BoSox take Henry Ramos
"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."
Isn't he already on our team?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
by RiverRat on Jun 8, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
he's was a bust - dfa'd
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Puerto Rico?
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Angels take Jesus
"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."
by BVHeck on Jun 8, 2010 2:24 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs
*Jesus Valdez
sbn’d
"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."
you sure it was sbn?
the lord works in mysterious ways.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
....I'll rec it.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
yeah, reads better the first way
Baseball fans are junkies, and their heroin is the statistic
-Robert S. Wieder
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Jun 8, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Yanks take Thomas Kahnle
that’s all i’m good for guys – see ya at gametime
"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."
thanks dude
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apparently the next round is the speeeeeeeeeeed round.
so if you’re still around, I’ll assume these are the names we’re still watching for.
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Bernie gives
us a Duncanian Byte today, as a follow-up to yesterday’s post:
Just as I speculated in Monday’s "5 Minutes," yes, I think it’s safe to say there will be a push coming from the dugout level to acquire a veteran starting pitcher to reinforce the Cardinals’ instability at the back end of the rotation. Confirmation came in the form of this quote from Cardinals pitching coach Dave Duncan, who told Joe Strauss, "I would say there’s a possibility somewhere down the road that (Adam) Ottavino or (Blake) Hawksworth or (P.J.) Walters will be a starting pitcher somewhere in the big leagues. But there are certain things you have to do to be a successful starting pitcher for a championship team. And they haven’t shown the ability to do those things yet consistently."
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Yeah, I definitely noticed the operative word in Duncan's quote, right off the bat...
“I would say there’s a possibility somewhere down the road that (Adam) Ottavino or (Blake) Hawksworth or (P.J.) Walters will be a starting pitcher somewhere in the big leagues.
Somewhere…as in “not here”…
by Ghostrider520 on Jun 8, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
ha, somewhere as in not on a championship team
no need to lump otto in there though, imo. he’s been decent enough in his first taste of the bigs, and shown potential. the other two have been around, and not so much on the potential, at least starting-wise
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Does KC have anything we need?
PJ and Hawk would fit in there.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 8, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I was meaning anything we can afford.
Wish lists are for X-mas.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 8, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd love to get Brian Bannister
solid #4/5 type. I dunno what it would take, though. More than PJ or Hawk. Maybe Allen Craig?
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 8, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
assuming all will be well with penny, i wouldn't trade otto
for a #5 – just pitch otto in that spot. i think we could use descalso next year. tyler greene would probably work for kc if we really need bannister.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
He also explains how craptastic Suppan has been
since the start of the 2008 season, his ERA of 5.35 is the second-worst in MLB among qualified starting pitchers. No qualifying MLB starter has allowed a higher onbase percentage (.379) or slugging percentage (.505) over that time. And the .310 batting against Suppan ranks 92nd among the 93 MLB starters.
Let’s call Pedro. Or explore some trade possibilities. No on Soup or Loop.
Phone call order:
1) Smoltz
2) Pedro
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jun 8, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
What's it going to cost to get Pedro?
I’d give Smoltz first dibs, but an unlikely scenario, I think. Pedro would be pretty good for the back half of the season and pen arm for post.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 8, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
last i heard pedro was getting pretty comfortable under the mango tree
might take a little more to entice him than it did last year.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Here's hoping Mo took some notes from
Baseball fans are junkies, and their heroin is the statistic
-Robert S. Wieder
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Jun 8, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
SIGN PEDRO MARTINEZ
i’d prefer smoltz, but i dont know that he wants to come back.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
.310 BAA
holy hell. I want nothing to do with SUppan.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 8, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Also from later in that article,
thank goodness we passed on “Plan B”
It’s the wrist, again. Offseason surgery didn’t fix the problem.
Baseball fans are junkies, and their heroin is the statistic
-Robert S. Wieder
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Jun 8, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Rangers just took Brett Nicholas from Mizzou
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Giants - Mike Kickham from Missouri State
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Cardinals: LHP John Gast
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
that's pick #199, by the way.
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Can't wait for Shannon to say "Man, that kid looks Gast out there today..."
by Ghostrider520 on Jun 8, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
he's also a painter of giant landscapes associated with Manifest Destiny
I think I’ve actually seen some of his work, though I can’t be sure.
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Saw that.
Maybe a giant mural of where Ballpark Village should be.
I’m sure it’ll still be a softball field in 2015 when he makes his MLB debut.
by Ghostrider520 on Jun 8, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe he'll
paint the corners
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clearly John Gast got to you
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Left handed pitching obviously such a priority we waited until the 6th round to get it...
Luhnow, you wily old hound!
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 8, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
are these all going to be loogy's?
not that we don’t need some.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
NEWS: scary accident off Russell Martin's bat
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Houston goes second gen with catcher Peña
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there are other wiseass things I could say about the other NL Central picks
but it’s moving too fast.
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Giants select Charles Jones from Booneville MO
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long pause. maybe St. Louis wanted them.
OH NOEZ WE HAVE LOST SAINT LOUIS.
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I do know how to spell Boonville
brain burp
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Cardinals: Greg Garcia
shortstop from U of Hawaii.
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I've always been skeptical about athletes from Hawai'i.
by Ghostrider520 on Jun 8, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
depends on his cultural mix
I’d take someone with lots of Pacific Islander warrior makeup, totally.
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I wonder if he ever trained with Captain Lou Albano.
by Ghostrider520 on Jun 8, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Like a Wild Samoan
Boy a frosty cold Budweiser would be great about now"…long pause…then an "aahhh". --Mike Shannon
Zach Cox interview with Bernie notes:
Has a smooth, subtle, southern drawl and is very polite.
1) Crowd behind him yelled “Cox is a Cardinal!” while he was in on-deck circle during Super Regional game when he was drafted.
2) Played in same Cape Cod league with Blair who pitched to Cody Stanley. Small world that he knows so many other players drafted by the Cardinals.
3) Says that he doesn’t think that the Cardinals would have picked him if they didn’t understand what it was going to take to get him to sign and commit to organization. However he is not going to worry about it untill his participation in the college playoffs is over.
4) Says he wanted the Cardinals to pick him. Says he is very fortunate and very happy that they did pick him. This is due to the reputation that the organization has in regards to winning and “first class” approach.
5) Admits that he doesn’t show as much power during games as he does during BP because he doesn’t try to hit homeruns. Says that he is trying to put solid and sound contact on the ball but also says that no one can hit the ball farther than him in BP.
6) Will play wherever they put him. Just wants to contribute to a winning ball club.
7) Likes to go fishing. Admires Albert not just because of his ability, but because of his outspoken faith (to which he relates as a devout Christian)
From listening to him he seems like a really nice guy who sounds very well grounded. Please go easy on the spelling and grammar of this post as I am having an off day in terms of my writing ability.
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
He's got his interview skilz down anyway.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 8, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
He's from Louisville
Not too far from St. louis….a 4 and a half hour drive…..who knows maybe he has been a Cards fan growing up. There are still a few of those here even though the Reds are trying to make Louisville their own.
Boy a frosty cold Budweiser would be great about now"…long pause…then an "aahhh". --Mike Shannon
Bernie asked him if that was a reason why he wanted to be drafted by the cardinals
but his response was more along the lines of proximity to his family rather than regional affiliation growing up
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Jun 8, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
It a short drive that's for sure
His family should be able to make several games with no problem.
Living near the Louisville area myself….I am always amazed how some of the locals think St. Louis is far away. It’s not even a half a day drive. I could leave here at 2pm and make it in plenty of time for a 7pm start at Busch.
Boy a frosty cold Budweiser would be great about now"…long pause…then an "aahhh". --Mike Shannon
Well, Louisville was our AAA team for a long time.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 8, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Wish it still was
I would be at almost every game if it was.
Boy a frosty cold Budweiser would be great about now"…long pause…then an "aahhh". --Mike Shannon
when i was growing up the AAA team was in Springfield IL
We used to go to games all the time… it was awesome
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Jun 8, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
5) Admits that he doesn’t show as much power during games as he does during BP because he doesn’t try to hit homeruns. Says that he is trying to put solid and sound contact on the ball but also says that no one can hit the ball farther than him in BP.
Sounds like an approach deal, 2-0 3-1 you should be trying to hit it to the moon.
Not afraid to nitpick
i guess he took a lot of crap last year over his k's
dropped him in scouts eyes, so he consciously went to a more contact-approach – hopefully he finds a happy median.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Everything i've heard about Cox's makeup has been positive
and he’s clearly got a bat that will play somewhere in the bigs. Count me as a big supporter of this pick!
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 8, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
i hope he's a closer
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
He's a closer,
if you call slaying the dark lord to save the kingdom of Philadelphadon a save situation.
I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons
by hazel on Jun 8, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Yankees pick up Taylor Anderson from La
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Brewers get Austin Ross (rd 8)
LSU
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Pittsburgh cannot follow directions.
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oho! son of Leyland goes to Detroit.
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nepotism...
he sound call dunc and see how to handle it
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Jun 8, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
For anyone who thinks Strasburg made too much money for someone who has "never played a game in the big leagues"
The Nationals have sold about 20,000 extra tickets for his debut. Their average ticket price is $30 for a bump of $600,000…..before concessions and parking.
This is game #1.
Not afraid to nitpick
Is that a widely held belief?
Seemed like a steal at $15 million or whatever the bonus was.
DFA Miles, Call up Cox
Cardinals: #258
another delay
redraft: Daniel Vibona (sp?)
there is massive technology fail going down…
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Bibona, sorry.
UC Irvine, LHP
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So you're saying Bibona doesn't get it up there hard enough?
by Ghostrider520 on Jun 8, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
he's very much a soft tosser
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 8, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
that really only works for about 3 people on this blog...
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 8, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Nah, we get it
tosser=wanker=jerk off=onanist=Master Bator, etc., etc., etc.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jun 8, 2010 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Thomas Shirley (to Stros)
…don’t fail me now, VEB.
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I am serious
and don’t call me shirley
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Jun 8, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Knighted in 1573.
So he’s got that going.
by Ghostrider520 on Jun 8, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Rays pick up Jake DePew of Granite City
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love their draft
of course you need a backlog of talent in your system to do what they do – they don’t need or want any players that can get to the show within a year or two of being drafted.
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Twins pick up a U of M guy... from New Jersey. lol
Knudson, he’ll blend right in
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Cardinals: #289
redraft
Tyler Lyons LHP Ok State
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could be
could be
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i guess all the speed will come next, in bunches
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I think I blogged all the ones we were watching for
are there any other names to keep an eye out for?
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a Lewis & Clark product - Kawika Emsley-Pai to Dbacks
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there's been a good number of Canadians this year.
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This is how it starts...
Their plan to take over the world…
by Ghostrider520 on Jun 8, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
small bears get Aaron Kurcz
…no really, are they just getting names that sound cool?
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Aaron Senne to Fish!
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Mizzou, someone was asking.
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hopefully for him
Miami
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Angels pick up Aaron Meade of Missouri State
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Cardinals: Reginald Williams, CF
Georgia
looks like a switch hitter
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Reggie, the somewhat harried Dulcet-Toned Lady said.
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Ok everybody chant
“REGGIE….REGGIE….REGGIE”
Boy a frosty cold Budweiser would be great about now"…long pause…then an "aahhh". --Mike Shannon
the Yankees get.... THE BROTHER OF MAT
there are 2 Gamels?
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10 minute break
now you can watch the countdown clock to Strasburg…………
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Is it a name with one less T than there should be?
Scot, maybe?
by Ghostrider520 on Jun 8, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
i'm shocked. he's named Benjamin
it seems to be spelled correctly.
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apparently the Cape Cod League is where to go if you want to become a Cardinal.
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Smart strategy on the Cards part, really
Scouting is a very, very, very, very hard job. Using wood bats takes one variable out of the equation, which is very valuable
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The best players are also likely to be picked before we get there, yeah?
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Seth Blair
apparently we stole one from cubs country.
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Cody Stanley
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Oh god Felipe Lopez is a type A free agent?
EASILY the best deal from last winter then
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Yeesh
I almost feel bad for him, no one would give up a first rounder for him and it’s debatable whether they’d give up a 2nd rounder. I guess that’d give us the inside track for sure on re-signing him which I wouldn’t be opposed to at all.
Not afraid to nitpick
that's what i'm thinking
too bad for him, but good for us to resign him.
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Round 11 has begun, btw.
Michael Freeman of Clemson (ss) goes to Dbacks
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Jeremy Sy
any of you draft junkies come across this name?
it’s my brother-in-law’s future brother-in-law. they said something about hoping he could get drafted. I think he was a SS somewhere is Louisiana or something.
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
do a search for "LSU" here
I tried to blog all the Louisiana people.
also… mention that earlier than round 11. :p
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I'm pretty sure he'd be a late rounder
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
have you heard the cubs and astros picks?
who knows
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nevermind
he signed with ULM after 2 years at a Juco to try and increase his draft stock going forward.
.366/.477/.561 would be a good line for Div I probably, but not too earth shattering at a juco. not sure how his D is at SS.
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
could someone do a favor
and collect a list of the drafted guys for the Cards?
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Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
...what do you think I'm listening to?
either way, I’m unable to google while I’m tracking and searching and blogging. there is not a list out there, that I can find.
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...
1st round – Zach Cox
1st round supp – Seth Blair
1st round supp – Tyrell Jackson
2nd round – Jordan Swagerty, RHP, Arizona State, 6-1, 175…2.05 ERA with 14 saves in 32 relief appearances
3th round – Sam Tuivailala, SS, Aragon High School, San Matero, Calif, 6-2, 185…Fresno State signee played shortstop and was ace of HS pitching staff.
4th round – Cody Stanley, C, UNC-Wilmington, 5-10, 190…left-handed hitter led CAA with 22 runners caught stealing.
5th round – Nicholas Longmire, RF, University of the Pacific, 6-2, 210…High upside outfielder with ‘plus’ raw power. Compared to Diamondbacks CF Chris Young.
6th round – John Gast, LHP, Florida State, 6-2, 195…Had Tommy John surgery after senior year of high school, 5.61 ERA in 19 appearances this year.
7th round – Greg Garcia, SS, U of Hawaii, 6-0, 175…Hit .358 with a .450 on-base percentage for Rainbow Warriors, starting 62 of their 63 games at SS.
8th round – Daniel Bibona, LHP, UC Irvine, 6-0, 170
9th round – Tyler Lyons, LHP, Oklahoma State, 6-2, 205
10th round – Reginald Williams, CF, Middle Georgia College, 6-4, 190
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oh
I’m only single-tasking, so shows up just fine for me
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
Christopher Franklin
SE Louisiana State
to Padres
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small bears continue "trend"
Eric Jokisch
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Cardinals: #349
Benjamin Freeman LHP
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jebus, this is getting unbearably slow
but they’re going too fast for me to restart.
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150!?!?
Jeez. He needs to stay in the Molina house for a few years.
by Ghostrider520 on Jun 8, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Cleveland... inept.
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wow, Mets took someone right out of Twins country. Mankato
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the cubs have thus far drafted a Wells and a Reed
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So they are exclusively drafting names that can't be pronounced and random things found in the country?
Who’s next…Jose Prairiedog and Mike Picketfence?
by Ghostrider520 on Jun 8, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
cubs names
……….meanwhile the Phillies draft room sounds like a bar. heh.
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Tyler Knigge btw, from Lewis & Clark
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probably discussing a pujols trade
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Cardinals: #379
Austin Wilson
RF
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high five
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You need to update your sig to Sign Austin Wilson.
by Ghostrider520 on Jun 8, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
very nice.
Albert's grand slam, 7/3/09
@zoomzoomj88
Boog's stache is back!
Aaron Miles, Tony? Really?
about
damned time
While Spinning.
How much were yours? 34 dollars. You know you got a pay raise... right?
now he can get on with having fun playing
college ball at Stanford.
While Spinning.
How much were yours? 34 dollars. You know you got a pay raise... right?
SERIOUSLY?!
YESSSSSSSSSSSs
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I don't joke about liveblogging.
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LOL
think he’ll sign for slot???
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 8, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Now that’s something I can get excited about…
NOt that there’s any chance he’ll sign.
DFA Miles, Call up Cox
He should just go to Stanford and have fun...
But I guess there’s always a chance.
DFA Miles, Call up Cox
they should offer him what they would have in the first round
he’d be a steal that way, considering we got cox in the deal too. hell, play hardball with cox (although i think he’s a fairly easy sign), and if he doesn’t take the offer just add the money on to the wilson deal to get it done
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Yeah...
it’ll take first round money at least to sign him… It’s not clear, from what I’ve read, that he’s willing to forgo college for any (realistic) amount of money.
DFA Miles, Call up Cox
well, we can't change that
but i like that they’re giving it a try – i just hope they try really really hard.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
What's the point, though?
to sound the guy out about what he’ll want in college? It’s obvious he won’t sign so, why bother? Isn’t it just a wasted pick? Surely they must have someone on their board they actually want at this stage.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 8, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
that, and next year is supposed to be a far better draft
which should also help bring cox to the table.
i think wilson obviously has a price or he wouldn’t have anyone representing him. i’m not as big on him as most here, but if the cards are as high on him as this board is, they should break the bank to get it done. in a deeper draft next year, they can draft accordingly to not have to go over slot, and get some higher-floor lower-ceiling types. they were willing to give mateo 3.5 mil – how does wilson stack up to mateo?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
No clue about Mateo/Wilson...
but it seems like high ceiling prospects are undervalued at the $2-3 million range.
I’m sure there have been analyses done of this, but if Wilson has a 10% chance of averaging 3.5 WAR over his first six years and his bonus is $3 million… You pay him around $28 million for 21 WAR over six years. That’s about a $70 million value over having to go out and sign a free agent like Holliday… and it costs $2-3 million?
DFA Miles, Call up Cox
i agree it's much cheaper this way
that bonus isn’t real big when spread over all the years. it’s almost what we have to do, i think. if his price was 4 mil and the FO thinks highly of his chances, they should do it.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Surprised PJ hasn't been sent down yet..
Figured he’d be shipped back to Memphis today for a fresh arm.
Gamethreads suck.
rd 13 ...Cleveland gets RHP Michael Goodnight
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This is a FANTASTIC name draft
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just like the gauntlett kid
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small bears select Pierre LePage
see!
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Gaaawstab's fellow countryman, I presume?
by Ghostrider520 on Jun 8, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Connecticut
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the butler probably had to interrupt his croquet match to inform him
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by cardball on Jun 8, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Cardinals: #409
formula is….
Colin Walsh 2B from Stanford
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seems to be a switch hitter
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Their strategy:
Use Walsh to talk to Wilson about how shitty his experience at Stanford was.
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by mysterui on Jun 8, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
brilliant!
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Just remind him that Tiger Woods went to Stanford...
And how that turned out for him…
Wait a minute…probably not the best strategy…
by Ghostrider520 on Jun 8, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
THEIR MASCOT IS A TREE FOR CRYIN' OUT LOUD....
A TREE!!!!!
by Ghostrider520 on Jun 8, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
he only went a year though, didn't he, like john mcenroe?
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Rangers pick up Nick Tepesch of Blue Springs, from Mizzou
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Tepesch isn't signing in round 14, I guess
wasn’t he slated to go in the first two rounds?
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 8, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
forgot about him
quite a few here liked his potential.
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Cardinals: Cesar Aguilar RHP
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Remember that time that we drafted Austin Wilson?
That was pretty cool
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small bears pick up Soto
see!! part 2
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meanwhile a bar with porn has broken out in the background
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Cardinals: catcher Geoffrey Klein
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He would've caught that line drive last night.
No doubt.
by Ghostrider520 on Jun 8, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
While Spinning.
Jeff Jordan's dad can beat up your dad.
by flipthebird15 on Jun 8, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe, maybe not
he could have weird proportions
the guy’s 6’7’’ and a catcher, maybe he has tinny little person legs
like five feet of torso and a really long head
That'll work when they turn Ballpark Village into a sideshow act.
by Ghostrider520 on Jun 8, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
He's Gumby?
You're the fail to my win?
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 8, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
he'd be great at robbing homers
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another switch hitter
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How can he squat down far enought to not get hit by the bat?
You're the fail to my win?
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 8, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
seems our late draft stratagey is to just pick up the largest baseball players possible
see: albert pujols
We're preparing for a war.
Didn’t you read Yadi2Second’s astute observation of the influx of Canadian players in this draft?
by Ghostrider520 on Jun 8, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
i'm not sure about 'astute'
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[...smile-and-nod]
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Brief write-up on Austin Wilson from The Commissioner...
Outfielder Austin Wilson, considered one of the most multi-talented players in baseball’s first-year player draft, lasted until the 12th round before the Cardinals chose him today. The reason is that Wilson seems very committed to attending Stanford.
But the Cardinals took the chance anyway. Wilson, a righthanded hitter at Harvard-Westlake school, batted .526 with six homers and 27 runs batted in during a short season. The 6-foor-4, 215-pounder also stole 11 bases in 12 attempts.
look at this list of college student-athletes from Harvard-Westlake
[link]
they don’t fuck around at junior college
the local picks seem to be going now. backyard picks.
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Rays pick up Jordan Shipers from S. Harrison MO
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Clinton Dempster LHP from La to Twins
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Cardinals: #499
CF Anthony Bryant L/R
Texas hs
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Any relation to...
Kobe?
Paul “Bear”?
Lane?
by Ghostrider520 on Jun 8, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
At least we're not the only ones witnessing the problem with our team.
You're the fail to my win?
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 8, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I saw that.
I was wondering about this more generally earlier on, and I was thinking it could be the lower incidence of the use of four seam fastballs and the growing use of sinkers and cutters since the contact percentage hasn’t gone down, meaning pitchers may simply be pitching to try to get weak contact more often.
This would be quite difficult to check, however.
I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons
But the big swings in those stats also make them suspect.
I wonder how stable we can expect them to be.
I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons
I'm guessing it's almost entirely a change in the way the stat is calculated
If BIS or FanGraphs decided to make the strike zone .5 inches narrower for whatever reason that would explain all of the changes in the stat.
You almost never see massive league wide changes in one year just based on pitching strategy I don’t think. Especially because K/9 and BB/9 have remained exactly the same in 2010 vs. 2009. Average and HR’s are down though.
What about swinging strike % and GB%?
I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons
round 17
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Ryan Hafner of Lee Summit goes to Pirates.
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Ryan Jenkins, Auburn catcher, goes to Royals
there was at least one other Auburn pick previously
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Chad Sheppard rhp NW State, Louisiana to Mets
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Cardinals: #529
Corderius Dodd RF, TN hs
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So Mark Grudzielanek was DFA'd
There truly is magic in this team.
I want the Walrus back...
round 18
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#538 Baltimore Orioles select RHP Sebastian Vader
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settle for cox
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Is that what you tell a lesbian who has no luck with the ladies?
by Ghostrider520 on Jun 8, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
by definition, they'd be bi
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Hoshua Ashenbrenner goes to Tigers. another Lewis & Clark
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I'm just dreaming of a game a few years from now...
guy on first, no outs… Batter hits a come backer: “Groundball to Bibona, to Cox, on to Pujols, DOUBLE PLAY!!!”
DFA Miles, Call up Cox
Cardinals: # 559
rhp Whiting Boone from Louisiana college
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yeah, the browser was killing me as I corrected it, then the phone rang.
I opted to post.
needs moar comma!
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back to back picks:
Chadwick Arnold
Dallas Chadwick
Ryan Broussard also went
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brewers take Rowan Wick
canadian
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Cardinals #589: lefty CF Chad Oberacker from TN college
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oberacker undersized
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almost had cheese and crackers in center
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Angels pick rhp Bobea
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round 20
Nats: Chad Mozingo
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We need Mozingo...
Captain…I’m giving it all the zingo we’ve got!
by Ghostrider520 on Jun 8, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Any USC players drafted off the top of your head?
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Cubs drafted a guy from my wife's high school
Hartman from Mt. Zion
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
#501 Arizona picks up SON OF BEN HUR.
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Red Sox: Roderick Shoulders
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broderick shoulders would be better
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oddly there was no weight listed.
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Cardinals: # 619
Trevor Martin ss from West Seattle
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son of Bochy went to SF
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they should trade him to detroit for son of leyland
to avoid any nepotism charges
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round 21
KC picks up ss Michael Liberto from Mizzou
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the... tiny Michael Liberto.
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You, sir, are a champion
Thanks for doing this
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
at this point, it's not exactly useful information
though the small bears did finally get themselves a Cox. Cody Cox.
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Red Sox pick up Mason Justice.
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one thing i certainly liked about our pick of cox
was that on bcb it pissed them off after their no-name pick, as did the red sox and rays picks
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Anything to piss off the BCB.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 8, 2010 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions
they all wanted o'connor
not sure why, particularly, so it was nice when the Rays got him.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 9, 2010 5:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Cardinals: # 649
redraft rhp Joshua Lucas FL college
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Fuuuuuuuuuckkkkkkkkkkk I just walked by Jack Zduriencik without asking him to lunch again
Why is this so hard?!
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
practice in a mirror
but don’t kiss it or anything. could get caught.
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Hmm... Might give that a try
Though, I guess it could get me fired
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Keep it to a couple of shots.
And use plenty of breath mints.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 8, 2010 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions
simple
invite him for a drink, and after a few quick shots, invite him lunch with, “i’m afraid i brought you here under false pretenses, jack ole boy. what i really wanna do is invite you to lunch” then order more shots and drink on it. i think that should work, and he should admire your honesty.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
By the way, I don't know who the fuck is making these picks for the Mariners now
Because it definitely isn’t Jack. He was just leisurely walking around the office
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
he's picking with his mind.
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who's the m's luhnow?
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Director of amateur Scouting is Tom McNamara
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you happen to know if he came over with jack?
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They were hired within a couple of days of each other
I’d assume so
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they did it! White Sox picked up Son of Ozzie
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^ round 22
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for about the tenth time, cubs spell out the name
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Son of Moyer selected by Twins
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odds on Jamie pitching to Dillon.... hahaha
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that would be amazing though
does he try to strike the lad out, show him who’s still boss, or throw him fastballs right down the middle?
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remember what Jamie considers a 'fastball'
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Bet the kid knows how to hit soft tossing leftys.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 8, 2010 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, we should've drafted him
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batting practice
would he want the kid to do well, and help him out, or try to get him out?
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Son of Tracy goes to Rox.
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that's four now
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Phillies get themselves a Quebecoi
spelling…?
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other names
Red Sox – Trace Tam Sing
M’s – Steven Landazuri
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is that the third managers son selected by his team?
could be a three-way trade now with bochy and leyland.
i bet it pained kenny williams to pick another guillen. hell, even the cards only took one duncan brother.
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duncan brother number one wanted to be a yankee, bad.
probably the only reason.
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didn't know that
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Cardinals # 679: Steven Ramos, RF California college
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Is he related to Colby?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
round 23
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Xorge Carrillo to Pads
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Oakland still sounds like they're inside a hot air balloon
and I think maybe the White Sox are in a truck stop and they’re using the CB. in a hurricane.
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meanwhile the nine year old in Milwaukee can't pronounce "Boca Raton"
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small bears.... rhp Matthew Loosen.
really.
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M's pick up Jandy Sena
check out his height/weight.
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Holy fuck.
Now there’s a topic of conversation at work
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that can't be right, can it?
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it turned over again for next round.
sorry. my memory can’t hold it.
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no lineups yet?
can i assume, for fantasy purposes, that colby is playing tonight?
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
what kind of fantasy are we talkin'
/punchy
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the last walkoff, after Boog tried to tackle him or... bellyhug him
I did catch them doing their cheek-touch thing. after the pile-on, when everyone walked away. almost like “hey, you didn’t forget we do this!”
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Cardinals # 709: rhp Dyllon Nuernberg
western nevada CC
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What round is it?
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 8, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions
round 24
no word if Jack Bauer is involved
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Pirates have been fading for hours
they are so very far away … or have no volume control
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Houston=desperate
lhp Adam Champion
next, Pads pick up catcher Rocky Gale.
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rocky gale sounds like a career minor-league catcher
future manager
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Reds, after not announcing a lot of hometowns, make it a point to select
rhp Patrick Doyle, Missouri State, hometown Saint Louis, Missouri.
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wtf! small bears select Geiger!
!!!
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nooooo it's the cubs!
you’ve fallen for their ploy
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seriously!!
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Tigers pick up Tyler Clark, rhp from Mizzou
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Cardinals #739: OF Patrick Biserta, Rutgers
L/R
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Angels pick another Jesus
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round 25
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back to back picks
Vincent Zazueta
Merritt Sosnoskie
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Cardinals: # 769
Richard Mendoza, rhp Puerto Rico hs
S/R
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wow, I want to see what "Chance" Gilmore's real name is.
that sounded dorky
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the next Pinata?
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
meanwhile... in the Big Show
BJRains As I predicted yesterday, the Cardinals have optioned pitcher P.J. Walters to Memphis and recalled righty Fernando Salas. #stlcards 6 minutes ago via web
Fox_Sports_MW Lineup (although no positions listed on card)
Lopez
Winn
Pujols
Holliday
Ludwick
Skip
Molina
Ryan
Carp
(guessing Flip at 3rd, Winn in CF) 19 minutes ago via web
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sat last nite too
pulled from the game before in stl – tight calf.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Gotta be happy with Salas
I hope he gets a nice run. He’s been good in Memphis this year and he has a big league arm IMO.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 9, 2010 5:44 AM EDT up reply actions
round 26
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Cory Hahn to Pads
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Fish take another Lewis & Clark
Todd Muecklisch
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His last name sounds like something you don't want to step in.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 8, 2010 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions
lot of dudes from there - juco powerhouse
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Astros took a guy with first name Yazy
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Cardinals #799
redraft Victor Sanchez 3B (it’s listed as 1B… whaaa) University of San Diego
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No way they bring him back.
I mean, that would too stupid for words.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 8, 2010 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions
hahahaha
Potential sub-replacement level ex-Cards to bring back: Soup, Puppykicker, Little Grit, Grudz, Bloop
I don’t know how you order these. If one is possible, then any of the others seem plausible as well.
DFA Miles, Call up Cox
My head hurts from the mere possibility of bringing any more of them back.
I would have to drink myself to sleep every night and I haven’t tried to do that for years.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 8, 2010 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions
i hope tony hasn't been on the phone again
maybe we can get him busted for tampering or something, if he convinced brad to be a free agent. of course, the royals would have to care…
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Round 27
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son of Gallego goes to Arizona
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Oakland hollers "Quiet!"
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This is real yeoman's work you're doing Y2S.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 8, 2010 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions
i would rather do this
than think about the lineup.
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Carp's on the mound and no Miles in sight.
Besides, we’re getting Salas back up. It’s not so bad.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 8, 2010 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions
oho! cubs select Bryan Harper!
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Tigers pick up Leslie Smith from St. Louis Community College... Meramec
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I have been thrown off the entire draft day
the Twins guy sounds like Leyland. but he’s the Twins guy.
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they probably can't believe he fell so far
every mock draft had him going first. probably partying in the cubs draft room.
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Cardinals # 829: Aiden Lucas from Denison, rhp
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is the other Harper also Boras repped?
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haha
yeah, boras just shows them the contract with bry (“that’s what he likes to be called”) harper, and the cubs pony up millions for the 800+ pick.
bryce harper is boras.
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Dodgers pick up Yimy Rodriguez
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strasfest
http://twitter.com/NateLatsch/status/15738405980
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Strasburg about to throw his first ever pitch at MLB
quite exciting.
ESPN says… lock for Cy.
I want the Walrus back...
he'd be a good bet for multiple cys
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love the details, y'all.
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First batter - L-6
Second batter – 3 unassisted
Throwing hard. I think the ump missed calling a strike on the curve to the second guy.
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
And he K's the third guy, swinging on the curve in the dirt
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
gimme some crowd details
what’s it look like packed?
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Like there's a lot of people there.
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
do they look bewildered by this? haha
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I think they're bewildered by the fact that they have a bad-ass young pitcher wearing one of their unis
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 8, 2010 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions
name spelled right?
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Standing room only
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 8, 2010 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions
And was booing the ball calls (and they weren't close to being strikes)
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Give em a break. It's not like they've had much to cheer about.
You're the fail to my win?
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 8, 2010 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I would say
Bryce Harper, Ryan Zimmerman and Strasburg is neough to be excited
I want the Walrus back...
Jordan Zimmermann coming back from injury too
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
do you recall their second pick this draft
was it a young stud pitcher?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
cole was who i was thinking of
thanks
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Yeah
they could be awesome in 3 years. Solis should move quickly. Not sure about Cole, mind you, I think he’s more like a 4 year guy.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 9, 2010 5:47 AM EDT up reply actions
young ss is good too
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Let me rephrase.
They haven’t had much like this to cheer about. Yes they have some very good pieces, but nothing in the stratosphere of what this kid could do in his career.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 8, 2010 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions
And they are on!
Cheering everything Strasburg does. They even booed the ump for not calling the first pitch ever, a strike. even tough it was clearly a ball.
A World Series ambient, for sure
I want the Walrus back...
they were on their feet like it was the bottom of the 9th when he k'd millage
like he just pitched a complete game or something
A two-seamer @ 98?
Holy Fucking Balls Man!
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 8, 2010 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Kerry Wood movement
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
That's Wainwright territory.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 8, 2010 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions
That's beyond Wainwright territory
Wainwright tops out at about 2000-2100 RPMs from what I’ve seen, those were at about 2200-2250—-and 82 mph.
Not afraid to nitpick
Thanks for that.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 8, 2010 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Alright the ones since then haven't been that insane PITCHf/x wise
But my god, 98 with a hammer curve and a changeup and command.
Not afraid to nitpick
Not just 98.
A two-seamer @ 98. That’s like a ship’s anchor of a hard sinker.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 8, 2010 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Nasty, Nasty, Nasty
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 8, 2010 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
MLB Network
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
MLBN
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 8, 2010 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm surprised (and disappointed) they're not showing it on ESPN.
by BTown Birds fan on Jun 8, 2010 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions
just a score
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
It looks like MLB is showing it for free online when he pitches
but I was hoping to go watch it while I was at the gym. Bastards.
by BTown Birds fan on Jun 8, 2010 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions
got a link?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Just go the the Nats page and a little dropdown ad for it will show up in a few seconds
by BTown Birds fan on Jun 8, 2010 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions
uh, I am liveblogging and hamstrung
link, anybody?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Oh, that's too bad.
Well, there’s still a couple innings left. I guess he probably wasn’t going to go too far past that anyway.
Did anyone hear anything about a pitch count for him?
by BTown Birds fan on Jun 8, 2010 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Round 28
Nats sound oddly… distracted… hmmm
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Rangers pick up John Kukuruda
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
the zombie woman for the Giants announces Gaspar Santiago
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Cardinals # 859: John Black
U of Kentucky ss
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
How many ss's is that for us now?
3?
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 8, 2010 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe 4 but i lost track
pretty sure one kid was a ss who pitched some for his high school team, but not sure how they listed him
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Tuvaivala, the 3rd round guy
think he was a pitcher, a basketball star, and a quarterback for his high school! And runs 60m in 6.8s…
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 9, 2010 5:49 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah, i'm pretty sure he's not actually a pitcher
could be wrong, but i’d say 95% chance i’m right – most of these guys were probably the aces of their high school teams when not playing their position, and then probably the stars of other sports. i actually find him kind of interesting, but as a ss – i see no way he was drafted with pitching in mind, but as always could be wrong.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Yeah I think you're right
he’s really an upside pick I suppose. Chances are we never really hear of him again. I think we took some cheaper, easier signs in rounds 2-6 (some unknown upside guys, like Tuvaivala, and some uninspiring guys who profile as role players, like the catcher and Swagerty), which is kinda a shame but understandable given the picks of Cox and Jenkins and the fact they’re paying $1.5m to Mattias, most likely.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 9, 2010 6:48 AM EDT up reply actions
certainly mattias has to factor in
despite the proclamation that they are two separate budgets. it’d be nice if mattias could clear his check and land on american soil, and then we can take it from there.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
In the highly unlikely event wilson signs
we get all our first rounders, AND Mattias is cleared to play in the US, we’re a top 5-10 system again. Pretty big turn around.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 9, 2010 7:48 AM EDT up reply actions
bold strokes bookended by steadiness and reason
would be a good line of attack, to use totally crazy language – evident the wash!!
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Zimmerman hits a HR to help out Strasburg
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Zimmerman just hit HR
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 8, 2010 7:14 PM EDT reply actions
round 29
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Cardinals # 889:
Christopher Patterson rhp from Appalachia St
Viosergy Rosa to Fish
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Patrick Lala to Phillies
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Jesus Christ he has good stuff
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
99 on the gun?
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
LaRoche singles
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 8, 2010 7:22 PM EDT reply actions
He's a flop
Gave up a single
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Imagine what Motte could do with a curve like that with his heat.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 8, 2010 7:24 PM EDT reply actions
Which would make it more devastating.
The change of pace would rip holes in the other team.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 8, 2010 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I wish we had a stud young pitcher
wait lol
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Psh. Unsustainably large K rate in a SSS
He’ll no doubt regress
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Let the domination begin.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 8, 2010 7:25 PM EDT reply actions
Backdoor righty righty changeup niiiiice
His change is basically a good sinker. Dave Duncan would be happy with that pitch alone.
Not afraid to nitpick
But can he hit, TLR would ask.
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Stanton singles in his first AB
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
strasburg in progress seems to be coming to fespn
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Everybody knew Matt Bush was going to fail
The Padres were STUPID STUPID STUPID
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
i hear homer simpson
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
The Rays are going to turn him into a reliever...
he throws high 90’s believe it or not…
DFA Miles, Call up Cox
round 30
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
whaaaa... Arizona picks up Ryan Zimmerman
rhp from Louisiana
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
astros and cubs get a couple of vikings
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
there are some bizarre ones in this round
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Cardinals #919: redraft lhp Iden Nazario
U of Miami
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Giants took Ryan Bradley SIU Carbondale
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
The press box is that high up?
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Dibble talking about dap and fisting
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Jaramillo says "But I don't have an Uncle Charlie!"
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Wait, I thought Strasburg got called up today
Why’s he pitching to a AAA team?
Thank you, thank you, I’ll be here all week!
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
6 fucking strikeouts already
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Welcome to the Strasburg KKKKKK show.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 8, 2010 7:39 PM EDT reply actions
Starsburg!
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
And it's not even July yet.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 8, 2010 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions
This must be an especially bitter pill for the Pirates..
With all their suckitude over the past 15 years, where’s there Strasburg?
Here’s there last 15 first round picks by career WAR:
11.1 (Benson)
7.5 (Maholm)
3.1 (McCutch)
0.9
-0.2
-0.5
-0.9
-3.4
-4.9
2 never made it
2 never will
2 are looking good
12.7 total WAR for 15 first rounders
DFA Miles, Call up Cox
they picked taillon, right?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
i'd think if we had the second pick we'd've taken taillon
considered the best high school arm in awhile, so that would include shelby.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I don't think he's more highly regarded than Porcello
His ceiling might be higher but Porcello was pretty clearly considered the best HS package since Beckett.
Not afraid to nitpick
it's arguable i guess
i just wondered if you’d have taken taillon with the second pick
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Not unreasonable
isn’t there a thought Machado moves to 3B, though? Alvarez is a 3B IIRC…
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 9, 2010 5:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Taillon and Allie
I think they had a good draft, if they sign both. Both BIG bust chances but could both have ace potential if they pan out.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 9, 2010 5:52 AM EDT up reply actions
allie intrigues me
in a behind-the-scenes, closed-door sort of way, but only if he does sign with pitt. there’s something there that i won’t and needn’t get in to if he doesn’t sign, but i am very curious right now about certain phone calls and who this kid grew up a fan of.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
well that's very cloak-and-dagger
tbh Allie wasn’t a guy I was very excited about and I’d have been a little disappointed with him at 25. He maybe was higher in my mind than Jenkins for one of the supps but I’d have prefered Cole over either of them. Ultimately, now I’ve read a bit more about Jenkins, I’m really liking the pick and it sounds like he might be cheaper and easier to sign than Allie anyhow.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 9, 2010 6:53 AM EDT up reply actions
i wouldn't have taken allie at 25
but as time went on i would have. i like the jenkins pick a lot, but not so much the one before it, where i would have tried to slot allie, if he was willing to sign with the cards (unless of course my boy vettleson hadn’t been grabbed by the rays)
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
oh, and by the way
i get all my draft info from KFL – he’s an insider, not sure if you have the subscription, monk, but he is a brilliant evaluator/analyst of talent.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Law was really big on Cox, and the Cards draft in general, I thought.
I think the 46th pick (Blair) was to get a fast-moving, live-armed guy who’d be an easy sign. I think having ONE reasonably low-ceiling, high floor, easy sign type was fair enough and let them shoot a little bit harder on Jenkins, but my only criticism would’ve been I’d have liked them to go a bit harder for the first rounders who were still sitting on the board in round 2 and 3. I thought the 2nd day was a bit conservative, tbh, Swagerty seems a typical Cards pick and looks like a middle reliever when there guys like Cole (my guy) and even the likes of Paxton (who might’ve gone for slot in the 2nd round) still on the board.
That criticism will be moot if they somehow get Wilson to sign, but still, I think I liked the mix in the first round, I’d have just rather gone for a second top-20, top-30-type talent in the 2nd round, perhaps. Still, we don’t know the money situation.
I’m not blown away by rounds 2-5, but I think of the three or four LHP they eventually took, we’ll probably get something out of one of them, and I’m glad they went a bit more heavy on the high school arms rather than picking college guys who profile as middle relief in these rounds. In the late rounds, Dodd, Oberacker and definitely Pat Biserta look interesting. Biserta looks like he might be Mark Hamilton mk2, which isn’t great, but pretty intirguing in the 20-something round. He just won’t have a position in StL anytime soon.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 9, 2010 7:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Victor Sanchez looks interesting too
actually, picks 21-30 seem to have more going for them than a lot of the earlier ones…
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by Felonius_Monk on Jun 9, 2010 7:59 AM EDT up reply actions
agree with that, some interesting picks in the later rounds
as to the insider comment, not sure if you got it or not, but KFL = kyle fucking lohse, my supposed friend/family member/something or other that makes me wcbw under a different name…allegedly. i may have delusions of grandeur, but i shall never aspire, or be able to convince myself to aspire, to the level of genius of wcbw.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Oh, I thought you meant Keith Law
actually I’m not sure what you’re talking about now (though I remember WCBW).
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by Felonius_Monk on Jun 9, 2010 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions
by the subject line of your post i figured the keith law thing
thus the rest, but it was just fun – forget it. (though i do like some of those picks – that part was serious business)
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Ken Burns joining the Nats radio announcers next inning
Please tell me it is not to discuss the historical significance of the Strasburg start.
man, herb score must have been something if he's who strasburg reminds of
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Looks like he was pretty filthy for two years then got hurt according to B-Ref
Not afraid to nitpick
yeah, his career ended with a liner to the face
i knew everyone thought he’d be one of the best ever if hadn’t gotten hurt, but he must have had gas.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
If he hits a HR here...
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Cedeno almost gave up on that one.
You're the fail to my win?
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 8, 2010 7:43 PM EDT reply actions
So how's the Nationals payroll?
Will they be able to hold the contracts of Stras, Zimermann, Harper, Willingham?
I want the Walrus back...
They're under team control for 6 years
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
I believe the Nats owner is one of the richest out there and has professed a willingness to spend
There just hasn’t been a reason to do so.
Not afraid to nitpick
the lerners
they own the cleveland browns too. only pohlads of minny are listed richer, last i saw.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Zimm is being paid nothing, relatively
And Stras and Harper will be incredibly cheap for the first few years.
and the ss is looking pretty good too, and is obviously cheap
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Costas..."Pirates are on their way to their 18th consecutive losing season"
It’s June 8th.
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Fixed.
Costas…“Pirates are on their way to their 18th consecutive losing season”
It’s June 8th.
I want the Walrus back...
Erm... Fix fail.
Costas…"Pirates are on their way to their 18th consecutive losing season"
It’sJune 8tha fact.
I want the Walrus back...
the draft is over for today
25 – Richard Mendoza, rhp Puerto Rico hs, S/R
26 – redraft Victor Sanchez 3B (it’s listed as 1B… whaaa) University of San Diego
27 – Aiden Lucas from Denison, rhp
28 – John Black, U of Kentucky ss
29 – Christopher Patterson rhp from Appalachia St
30 – redraft lhp Iden Nazario, U of Miami
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Fastball, Curveball, Changeup, and Awesome
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
The Fourth Pitch?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Probably, unless someone is being fooled by him changing speeds on the breaker.
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
But good at scorebook design
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
leadoff hit
he sucks!
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
another hit
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
OMG
After signing off after the 3rd round or so, I just started scrolling through the picks to see
AUSTIN WILSON
as the 379th pick!
I know I’m late, but that’s awesome. Let’s dream big and hope we sign him.
"And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is ALBERT when I lay my vengeance upon thee." -The Bible
something about Cox doesn't look right to me
so I kind of hope we sign Wilson over him and get 1st round picks next year.
Then again I’m no scout so whatever happens happens.
draft is supposed to be more loaded next year
so that’s certainly an option – the same pick could net a better player. and if nothing else, it gives us at least equal the leverage of cox – in my mind, even a little more.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
huh?
no comprende. would you rather have cox and no wilson, or wilson+a top pick next year?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Well
If it’s Cox at 2.5M or whatever vs. essentially a supplemental round/2nd round talent + Wilson at say 3.5M, I’d probably take Cox and try to figure out somewhere else to spend a mil.
Not afraid to nitpick
i'd probably take wilson at 3.5 and another pick next year in a better draft
i’d still try to sign cox too, but he’d have to decide how much he wants to wait another year – it’d either be a nice bargain (the cash saved could be considered as applied toward wilson), or cox could go back to arkansas and i can pick another cox next year.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Isn't the new compensation just the same pick+1 from last year?
the supplemental compensation picks are only for FAs, right?
Example, Pick 14 in 2009: Texas picked Matt Purke, failed to sign him
This year they had the 15th pick for it.
"And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is ALBERT when I lay my vengeance upon thee." -The Bible
by Cardinals645 on Jun 8, 2010 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
that's what i think
and in a deeper draft, next year’s +1 pick will net a better talent than this years x-pick.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Cox fell to us for signability concerns
and we could pick him as it’s a protected pick. Not sure we’d get an equivalent talent next year.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 9, 2010 5:58 AM EDT up reply actions
i do not believe the signability concerns
i could buy that, like in an nfl draft, if a certain team decides to pass on you then you might go as much as a round later, but i think this is a fairly easy sign for anyone that wants him – that’s different than wanting him at a price dictated by slot, and just thinking he’s not worth it, which i do not lump in to the “signability issue” pile – that’s saying the kid is not worth it, it being the money, rather than saying you are worried to not be able to sign him.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
not sure why you aren't buying signability issues
because draft-eligible sophomore HAVE leverage whether you want to believe so or not….
would he be stupid not to sign? probably, but he will still be a touggh sign
Rasmus can hit lefties
cardinalred
St. Louis Sports blog
I think he means
the comp pick is unprotected. So there’s no way we could take a Cox-type talent next year (realistically) in the mid-20s who’s fallen due to signability concerns. We NEED to sign whoever we take with that pick, so realistically it’s more likely to be a 30th-50th best player-type talent who we know we can sign for slot.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 9, 2010 5:58 AM EDT up reply actions
but we can and should do that
plus, in a deeper draft, it wouldn’t be so bad, if it means this year signing wilson, if he’s such a stud (not my guy, but i defer to conventional wisdom)
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I like Cox better than Wilson
and I like Wilson a lot. If it’s for the same money, and we keep the pick, I ‘d prefer to sign Wilson, but I think it’ll cost more and we might have to, say, let him go to college in some creative arrangement that’ll probably set back his ETA.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 9, 2010 8:00 AM EDT up reply actions
well even if he isn't the caliber of cox
it’s still cox for wilson + 2011 pick. So cox would have to have more value than 2 potential 1st round talents.
haha, you're faster than me
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
how so?
in a deeper draft, the 26th pick of this year might be equivalent to the 40th pick of next year, or more.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
See above
it’s unprotected. We need to pick someone we’re sure we can sign. Someone like Cox is VERY unlikely. Think more like Blair.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 9, 2010 5:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Thinking about it
I think it’s a decent pick. No way we sign him but if Cox wants $3m+ we can just say, “look, here’s our final offer, take it or leave it, and if you don’t want to play we can give that cash to Austin Wilson”.
There’s no chance we get Wilson but it might save us $1m or so on Cox, which is decent value for a 12th round pick.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 9, 2010 5:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Jocketty also tried to shove it in our faces
Reds took Patrick Doyle, and quite a pointed “Saint Louis, Missouri” listed as the hometown.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
baby's first jam
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Oh well
of to Salsa lessons and a soccer game. See you later, let’s hope Carpenter gets ’em
I want the Walrus back...
Man his FB has some movement to it
it’s like if Mitchell Boggs through harder and had awesome command.
Delwyn Young disagrees
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
I like how Dibble says he "hung" a changeup that was at the bottom of the strikezone
Not afraid to nitpick
baby's first homer
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
who hit the homer?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
really?
I mean I hate the media hype, but I’d be pretty excited to see a guy with this kind of stuff succeed, and outside of Elijah Dukes the Nats aren’t a team I disdain.
Just reacting to the hype...
anything that throws a wrench into FESPN’s narrative is good.
DFA Miles, Call up Cox
Johnny Mac's has Freese t-jerseys.
And now, so do I.
I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.
VEB: WWGTD
How much was it?
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 8, 2010 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions
$22
I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.
VEB: WWGTD
by The Continental on Jun 8, 2010 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
The sac flies work like that...
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
b/c we like to put hit and runs on when someone is struggling at the plate
to try to get guys jumpstarted, but it just leads to extra fail in most cases.
So 70 pitches in
We can say he basically throws Ubaldo’s fastball with Wainwright’s curve except at 82 mph and a changeup that is probably too stiff at 89-91 (Delwyn Young should not be able to be fooled yet still hit a bomb on a knee high change) though it does have good movement and has command. Can I sign up to get that somewhere?
Not afraid to nitpick
Riggleman broke Wood?
I’d forgotten that. Thought it was Dusty.
Keep Strasburg away from the manager.
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Wood said that he already had problems before he got to the majors anyway.
Not an excuse, just and eventuality.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 8, 2010 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions
he was abused in high school already
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
anyone else find it curious that 100 mph is about the limit for how fast a pitcher can throw a baseball
strange that it’s such a pretty number.
zumaya 103
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
JR Richards threw one at 107
I think Ryan threw one about 105. Of course that was 30 years ago, so who knows how accurate it was.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 8, 2010 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Where have you seen either of those??
In any case I severely doubt the accuracy of that, Zumaya is a massive freakshow with regards to velocity, pitches out of relief and still “only” hits 103.
Not afraid to nitpick
Answers I found were all over the board.
Some had Nolan as officially clocked at 104. The Military clocked Bob Feller at 107 but that was in the 30’s. I know good and well I read that Richards threw one that hard. It was in SI a long time ago. But as I said that was in the 70’s and the radar guns weren’t as accurate, but I know what I read. Which is why I put in the caveat about it being that long ago.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 8, 2010 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I mean Strasburg just hit 103 on the TV gun and 98 on PITCHf/x so....yeah
Not afraid to nitpick
Any way you slice, they all throw/threw harder than I can catch up to.
which is why I’m sitting here typing about it instead of playing.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 8, 2010 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions
i bet you can type way faster than any of them
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
What a dubious fucking honor that is.lol
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 8, 2010 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions
i kept thinking of jr richards last nite when we picked the qb in the supp
then found out he doesn’t throw quite that hard, or project to throw in motte range. one reason i liked allie is a high school kid already throwing as hard as strasburg – pretty unheard of.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
what?
I'll leave this to Lao Tzu
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 8, 2010 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions
what a jerk
I'll leave this to Lao Tzu
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 8, 2010 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions
MLBN has it.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 8, 2010 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions
this game should be a wakeup call to the pirates
if you are going to suck, make sure you are the absolute worst team so that you can get the really good phenoms
I think so?
His changeup is too stiff, he needs to figure out how to dial it down to 86-90 IMO.
Not afraid to nitpick
probably 12-13
how many does strasburg have?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
He's at 11 right now, and probably has one more inning if the ~95 pitch count is right.
I just found a site claiming that Bob Feller has the record with 15. It was in his first start, although not his first appearance. A few starts after that he struck out 17.
by BTown Birds fan on Jun 8, 2010 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't imagine Strasburg will get to 15 tonight if the pitch count is accurate,
but it’s pretty easy to see him tying or breaking the record of 20 in a 9 inning game before too long.
by BTown Birds fan on Jun 8, 2010 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions
he looks all herky jerky at the plate when I watch him
but the guy was thought to go in the top 10 for a reason.
And if converting to a 2b is possible the pick gets like twice as good.
i really think left field is more likely than second base
he’s been noted to lack range at third, so not sure how that would play at second.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Me and Cardball
are the only Zack Cox downers in the crowd, I think/
babip giveth... and babip taketh away
only because we wanted a different toy for christmas
you wanted wilson, and still may get him (i hope you do, btw), and i wanted vettleson, who the rays have added to their stockpile of talent. i will continue to believe, though, that we would have taken vettleson with our first supp if the rays hadn’t already snagged him.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I think there was enough of a chance of Vettleson falling to 46
at least with the amount of talent left on the board when we picked at 25, that it was a fair risk to leave him, even if he was TOP of our draft board. There’s no way Cox was still there after about 30.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 9, 2010 6:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Red Baron isn't high on him either
at least, not top-10 high, I don’t think. FWIW I liked other guys better in the top 10 but I think he’s a nice pick at 25, very nice.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 9, 2010 6:03 AM EDT up reply actions
If we sign no one in this draft but Cox and Wilson
I would be fine with that.
babip giveth... and babip taketh away
I like Tyrell
and I’d love to sign him. But I’d rather have Wilson.
babip giveth... and babip taketh away
Ask DeWitt
Makes zero sense to me why they wouldn’t try to sign as many premium guys at what amounts to a huge discount as they could, but obviously Selig has some sort of credible threat.
Not afraid to nitpick
The threat is you have to listen to a lecture from him
about the importance of the slotting system.
babip giveth... and babip taketh away
I mean if a backup catcher is worth like 1-1.5 mil to the cards
this is a much more solid investment.
definitely
they sign both and they don’t even need to worry about next year’s draft. take some easy signs who can be role players in the bigs in the not-too-distant future if this year breaks the bank. those two with the dominican pitcher would be a great year, or two.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Yeah
I don’t see how they could go about 10x over slot for Wilson (which I imagine it will take), I think he’s just Cox insurance.
There can’t be many more horrible misfortunes than losing your Cox, I suppose, so it’s fair enough.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 9, 2010 6:05 AM EDT up reply actions
bud would surely understand the tragedy of losing cox
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
yep
hoping we sign him even if it means not signing cox and taking a pick next year. who knows the conversation luhnow had with his camp, but last nite he was apparently on the phone with someone but it fell through, and so we picked the qb in the supp – could have been the qb they were on the line with, but i sort of doubt it. they would have had a good feel for him already if he was on their board that high, probably higher than he was with anyone else.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I think if they had any real intention of making a play at Wilson
or, indeed, if ANYONE thought he was signable, he’d have gone in the 2nd or 3rd round.
If there was any way we could afford two first-round talents, I guess we take one of the first rounders who was still on the board in the supplemental or 2nd round. There is zero chance Wilson ends up signing.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 9, 2010 6:07 AM EDT up reply actions
blasphemy, monk
but seriously, i disagree. i think there IS a chance that wilson signs, even if it’s at the expense of cox. other than that, so long as we sign the hs qb, i’m good – and i think he will sign, and not be very expensive.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Yeah I'm not sure Jenkins is as big a signability risk as some say
He didn’t play that much football in his last year apparently and was concentrating more on baseball. I think he’s leaning that way. Not sure how he projects as a QB mind you, but I bet his talent for baseball is higher.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 9, 2010 8:02 AM EDT up reply actions
baylor qb's don't play pro football
all well and good if he just loves football and saturdays, but if he wants to get paid for playing something, and it’s likely he does, then i think he’ll chance a line drive at his head over a texas or oklahoma linebacker at his knees. and i really like the pick – my favorite, tbh.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
ha, you serious?
someone said he was having a sucky year when i suggested we go after him
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I think I was against it
but not for the reason that he’s having a sucky year. He’s just not put it together yet. That was over a month ago, I think, so maybe he’s doing better now. Some of our relievers have pretty sick ERAs, though…
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 9, 2010 6:08 AM EDT up reply actions
starting the strasburg game right now
i know he had struck out 6 through the first three, but his location isn’t that great so far in the first
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
It gets better.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 8, 2010 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions
on a related note,
this is the first cards’ game i’ve been able to sit down and watch in its entirety in a long time
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
I'm happy for ya!
I'll leave this to Lao Tzu
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 8, 2010 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions
13 ks for stras
I'll leave this to Lao Tzu
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 8, 2010 8:50 PM EDT reply actions
91 pitches, 13 Ks
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Why such a strict pitch count?
is Stephen such a delicate flower?
babip giveth... and babip taketh away
This kid's good.
"A good catcher is the quarterback, the carburetor, the lead dog, the pulse taker, the traffic cop and sometimes a lot of unprintable things, but no team gets very far without one." – Miller Huggins
holy shit Strasburg.
"The outfield is deep and playing him straight-away, and the infield is the same, except first, second, third, and short are playing him to pull."
-Mike Shannon
HFS....14 K in 7 IP
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
oh dear god.
that was FILTHY.
"The outfield is deep and playing him straight-away, and the infield is the same, except first, second, third, and short are playing him to pull."
-Mike Shannon
14 through 7...
WITH UNDER 100 PITCHES.
that’s the insane part.
"The outfield is deep and playing him straight-away, and the infield is the same, except first, second, third, and short are playing him to pull."
-Mike Shannon
i want to see him against the phils in that division
14 is amazing, but it is the pirates, who likely lead the league in k’s
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Strasburg
if he is not currently the best pitcher in baseball, he will be.
Sorry if that seems like hyperbole but holy Jesus.
babip giveth... and babip taketh away
Strasburg has Waino quality breaking stuff
with a 100+ fb to go with it
babip giveth... and babip taketh away
he'll give ubaldo a run
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
money - my favorite metric.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Like I had been saying
He has the best stuff in baseball right now, that doesn’t necessarily mean best pitcher. But jeez he is good.
Not afraid to nitpick
i think that's a little hyperbolic
but i’m pretty sure he just went to #1 in the rookie of the year voting.
"The outfield is deep and playing him straight-away, and the infield is the same, except first, second, third, and short are playing him to pull."
-Mike Shannon
that's a little hyperbolic too
he has a lot of catching up to do
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
in terms of deserving it? yes.
but that’s not how the media works. i’m pretty sure he just went to #1.
"The outfield is deep and playing him straight-away, and the infield is the same, except first, second, third, and short are playing him to pull."
-Mike Shannon
oh, ok
but the chances of him actually getting it are not real high compared to heyward
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
no, i'm saying the chances of him actually getting it are very high
i think the media just forgot about heyward. but maybe i’m wrong, i dunno
"The outfield is deep and playing him straight-away, and the infield is the same, except first, second, third, and short are playing him to pull."
-Mike Shannon
i'd say it's 75-25 heyward over strasburg
everyone else battling for third
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
If he continues striking out 18 per 9 innings
he is a shoe in for MVP, not just ROY…
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 9, 2010 6:09 AM EDT up reply actions
three of the last five ROYs were...
late callups.
Obviously there hasn’t been a Heyward to contend with, but his game is falling apart. He’ll be looking up at Freese pretty soon.
DFA Miles, Call up Cox
ha
i love freeze but he’s not gonna hit over .300 etc. heyward i think must be streaky, because this is his second cold spell this year.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Freese is hitting 47 points...
higher than Heyward. Point that out to a member of the BBWAA and some votes will change.
DFA Miles, Call up Cox
they don't vote till the end of the year
but i’ll point it out then.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
keepin mind
it’s the pirates and there is pretty much no scouting report on him
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
I'm just basing it on the pitches he's making
this is literally the most filthy pitching I’ve seen all year.
babip giveth... and babip taketh away
Scherzer's 14 K 5.2 IP game against Oakland gives it a run for the money IMO
He didn’t even have command and was breezing through that lineup like butter with fastballs down the middle.
Not afraid to nitpick
My prediction?
He carries the Nationals all the way to the playoff, when he breaks down in the most spectacular fashion possible. He goes on the DL and then gets sent back to the minors for years where he converts into a strikeout heavy outfielder. He resurfaces on the Nats when he keeps taking playing time from Bryce Harper.
babip giveth... and babip taketh away
by purple_haze on Jun 8, 2010 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
rec'd
"The outfield is deep and playing him straight-away, and the infield is the same, except first, second, third, and short are playing him to pull."
-Mike Shannon
funny stuff
but hey, don’t be such a cynic – did you hear we’re going to sign your guy? and here you thought all was lost.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
14 k's in 14 k's
many great pitchers have faced the pirates and haven’t achieved that.
AND IT’S HIS 1ST START!
Wainwright has never had 14ks
for reference
I'll leave this to Lao Tzu
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 8, 2010 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions
that surprises me
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
i was surprised he just got hist 1st CG Shutout recently
I thought for sure I’d seen him toss a few of those
yeah
I thought he had a few them already too
I'll leave this to Lao Tzu
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 8, 2010 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions
halladay is the active leader, with 18
carp i believe second with 13. all shutouts are complete games, btw.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
What's the scouting report?
Well you can’t sit on the breaking ball because he has 98 with life, well you can’t just sit fastball because he’ll beat you with curveballs all day, hope his control is off?
Not afraid to nitpick
so if it was against us it would be 15?
I'll leave this to Lao Tzu
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 8, 2010 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions
On 42 pitches
(They’d find a way)
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
27 K on 81 pitches.
Go for broke.
I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.
VEB: WWGTD
by The Continental on Jun 8, 2010 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions
He struck out those last two batters on six pitches.
14 K, no BB, almost 70% of his pitches for strikes. Just for entertainment’s sake they should bring him back in the 8th and let him keep going until someone doesn’t strike out.
his pitches were freakin crazy
I'll leave this to Lao Tzu
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 8, 2010 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope MLB Net replays this.
Sorry I missed it.
I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.
VEB: WWGTD
fuck the bottom halves of the innings
i’ll be caught up soon at the rate he’s working at
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
Humor me...it breaks upward?
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
No. It's got sink to it
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
it *appears* to break upward from the batter's perspective.
"The outfield is deep and playing him straight-away, and the infield is the same, except first, second, third, and short are playing him to pull."
-Mike Shannon
or, never mind, i'm stupid
"The outfield is deep and playing him straight-away, and the infield is the same, except first, second, third, and short are playing him to pull."
-Mike Shannon
yeah,
go think about what you’ve done
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Jun 8, 2010 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i'm sitting in the corner
with one of these on.
"The outfield is deep and playing him straight-away, and the infield is the same, except first, second, third, and short are playing him to pull."
-Mike Shannon
Thanks...
Had me thinking he’d figured out how to throw the riseball.
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
The most coveted pitch
told in legends by the great apple hurlers of yesteryear.
babip giveth... and babip taketh away
what does ubaldo's have?
i know ubaldo’s is better, but it’s also at 90
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
in ubaldo's last start
his changeup had +3.15 vertical
at a couple mph slower than strasburg’s.
"The outfield is deep and playing him straight-away, and the infield is the same, except first, second, third, and short are playing him to pull."
-Mike Shannon
in his last start
so i guess split the difference?
change: 87.01 +3.15
splitter: 89.21 +5.03
"The outfield is deep and playing him straight-away, and the infield is the same, except first, second, third, and short are playing him to pull."
-Mike Shannon
i love what tomcat put up
that clip of the change was nasty, like a wiffle ball. last game he threw them at 90, according to the tv gun.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
if the nats bullpen blows this
there are no GOBs. there, i said it.
"The outfield is deep and playing him straight-away, and the infield is the same, except first, second, third, and short are playing him to pull."
-Mike Shannon
actually
that proves their existence
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
There ain't no devil of baseball, there's just god of baseball when he's drunk.
(to paraphrase Tom Waits)
by BTown Birds fan on Jun 8, 2010 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions
not sure they need any of those
maybe oswalt, sure, but they need a right fielder, either dejesus from kc or corey hart…or luddy i guess. if zimmerman is back the second half of the year, could make respectable run.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
usually it's been mccutch
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I think they just gave Strasburg a different uniform and let him get back out there.
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
strasburg's k/9 is 18
I'll leave this to Lao Tzu
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 8, 2010 9:07 PM EDT reply actions
SSS...
or, Pittsburgh.
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
file that under
no duh
I'll leave this to Lao Tzu
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 8, 2010 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions
And is K:BB is infinite. That's pretty good too.
by BTown Birds fan on Jun 8, 2010 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions
heh
yeah
I'll leave this to Lao Tzu
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 8, 2010 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions
jazayerli
1. (Greg Maddux once struck out 13 batters and threw just 81 pitches.) 10 minutes ago via TweetDeck
2. According to baseball-reference.com, no P has ever struck out 14+ batters on so few pitches. Javier Vazquez threw 96 pitches on 4/9/03. 11 minutes ago via TweetDeck
3. Uh, everyone? Strasburg may have done something tonight that’s never been done before: he struck out 14 batters and threw just 94 pitches. 12 minutes ago via TweetDeck
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
yeah... nuts.
"The outfield is deep and playing him straight-away, and the infield is the same, except first, second, third, and short are playing him to pull."
-Mike Shannon
Maddux did that just to show people he could strike batters out.
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
nice little niche stat
but he’d probably rather have the record for k’s in first start
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Genius to start him against the Pirates...
Now the legend is exploding all over the place.
DFA Miles, Call up Cox
I hope SBN has enough towels tonight.
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
i'm gonna load this PitchFX page again
but first, a towel.
"The outfield is deep and playing him straight-away, and the infield is the same, except first, second, third, and short are playing him to pull."
-Mike Shannon
The Bucs have six guys in their lineup...
that are about as good at hitting as Brendan Ryan.
DFA Miles, Call up Cox
Yeah but still 14ks is 14ks especially in your first MLB game...
You fit into me
like a hook into an eye
a fish hook
an open eye
Freese and Garcia are screwed..
with all the hype between Heyward and Strausburg good luck getting the ROY.
You fit into me
like a hook into an eye
a fish hook
an open eye
Ya..that's for sure...
I finished third to this generations Clemens and Hank Aaron…
Maybe only time will tell.
You fit into me
like a hook into an eye
a fish hook
an open eye
battle for third includes leake and ely as well as garcia and freeze
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Buster Posey in there as well.
Mike Stanton, maybe. I guess we’ll see soon, eh?
I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.
VEB: WWGTD
by The Continental on Jun 8, 2010 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Stanton is going to struggle IMO
If he hits above .250 this year I’ll be surprised given his K-rate.
Not afraid to nitpick
Also ...
Google chrome rocks. 1500 comments and no hitch in my pc…
You fit into me
like a hook into an eye
a fish hook
an open eye
google chrome is insanely fast...
it’s like im the first poster…everything is wicked fast.
It’s like the ferarri of web browsers although I’ve never tried firefox
You fit into me
like a hook into an eye
a fish hook
an open eye
check out sdrware iron
I’ve never had problems with gamethreads that I used to have. it’s basically the same as chrome but even sleeker
I'll leave this to Lao Tzu
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 8, 2010 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I just updated safari to 5.0
I’m loving the Reader function, the comments are humming pretty well, too.
apparently it was a useragent problem
apple forgot to tell everybody safari 5 existed. it works today, I just watched some arrested development.
breaks as in it's good or breaks as in it stops shit?
You fit into me
like a hook into an eye
a fish hook
an open eye
regardless this chrome is silky smooth.
almost no delay between hitting the key and appearance of typed characters on screen.
You fit into me
like a hook into an eye
a fish hook
an open eye
haven't tried safari this is my first try at something else other than the norm.
tried the chrome back in the beta test faze and it sucked.
You fit into me
like a hook into an eye
a fish hook
an open eye
Why is this years rookie class so insane?
Like, six rookies from this year would have won the ROY last year.
babip giveth... and babip taketh away
Managers are giving the young guys a chance...
In past years Heyward would just now be coming up, Freese would be sitting behind an Abe Nunez clone, Garcia would be behind Sidney F Ponson like TLR did to Reyes a few years back, Ely would be no where near the Dodgers rotation…
DFA Miles, Call up Cox
he'd be nowhere near the chisox rotation this year
but the dodgers had little choice.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Chris Coghlan has been shit this year too, I think
haven’t looked at his stats for a while but it was looking like he might get sent down in April…
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 9, 2010 6:16 AM EDT up reply actions
and people questioned my drafting of strasburg
and “wasting” a bench spot for two months
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
Well, I'm ready to buy a 37 T-shirt.
"A good catcher is the quarterback, the carburetor, the lead dog, the pulse taker, the traffic cop and sometimes a lot of unprintable things, but no team gets very far without one." – Miller Huggins
who has 37?
I'll leave this to Lao Tzu
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 8, 2010 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions
besides colonel
I'll leave this to Lao Tzu
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 8, 2010 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions
(He's on the Nationals)
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
ah
so both welley and strasburg has #37 (my favorite number btw)
I'll leave this to Lao Tzu
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 8, 2010 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Some kid with Washington
I hear he throws good.
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
How about a cardinals tshirt jersey with 37 and straussburg on the back?
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like a hook into an eye
a fish hook
an open eye
why am i still watching this game
flipping over to the rays for the next half hour
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
I'm watching padres vs mets
tied at 1 in 9th
I'll leave this to Lao Tzu
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 8, 2010 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions
sf-cincy
sf up 3-0 in the 8th
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
sweet
I'll leave this to Lao Tzu
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 8, 2010 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions
if they think as much of him as they did mateo, they should pay wilson that money
wilson wasn’t my favorite hs outfielder, but he seems to be considered somewhat a lock with huge upside, so i can’t imagine that mateo was better regarded.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
they did
imagine if they somehow get all those guys to sign contracts
I'll leave this to Lao Tzu
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 8, 2010 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions
HOLY FUCKING SHIT
Everybody check out this clip of a potential Mortal Kombat remake
How badass is this?!
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
well, mlb.tv is not loading onmy ps3
i guess strasburg struck it out, too. asshole
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Jun 8, 2010 9:40 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
can we get a game thread... or is there one?
also…
BJRains Just got off the phone with Jeff Luhnow….calls chances of signing Wilson “a long-shot” 12 minutes ago via web
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
i enjoy the lack of links.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
good answer
don’t box yourself in a corner, don’t set yourself up to fail in the fans’ eyes, and put the onus on his camp, as in “we’re not really counting on him”
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
What was up with Strausburg and the shaving cream dangling off his ear...
it reminded me of something about mary.
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like a hook into an eye
a fish hook
an open eye
Delwyn Young just gave a great interview on baseball tonight...
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a fish hook
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