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Around SBN: The Gift Of The 2003 Tigers

A collection of statistics and a brief discussion of the draft

The Cardinals have the best starting staff in the majors right now (prior to yesterday's game) with their starters accumulating 66 RAR.  They've recorded a 2.97 ERA to date and a 3.59 FIP. That FIP trails only the Padres and I'm inherently mistrustful of pitching stats in PETCO as I was of hitting stats from the 90s in the Rockies ballpark.

With the #2 (Garcia), #4 (Wainwright) and #20 (Carpenter) ERAs in the majors, only the Yankees have more than one pitcher in the top 20 with the #15 & #16 slot. The Cardinals have assembled an impressive collection of defenders and pitchers but time and again, as evidenced by Wainwright's first complete game shutout on Friday, it comes back to the troika of those three starters as they scythe through the league.

Carpenter Garcia Wainwright
ERA 2.76 (20) 1.32 (2) 2.05 (4)
FIP 3.89 (46) 3.02 (9) 2.61 (4)
xFIP 3.39 (11) 3.72 (18) 3.07 (2)

 

With the exception of Carpenter allowing an unusual level of HRs, that is one dominant trio of starters. Wainwright and Carpenter combine that ability to shut down the opposition with the ability to go deep into games. Carpenter is averaging just under 7 IP a game with Wainwright averaging 7.1 IP. They have to be considered a significant part of why the bullpen has been as good as it's been this year and can absorb outings like Ottavino's 5 IP yesterday to pitch 6 innings.

As Jaime Garcia continues to emerge this season, there seems to be some confusion about why he's this good and why no one recognized it in the minors. I consider myself among the group that's somewhat surprised by how good he's been thus far though I thought he could be more than a simple innings eater. In the minors, control was an issue. While that hasn't been corrected (he's still walking nearly 4 batters per 9 IP), the command of pitches has been very much improved.

If Garcia has a weakness thus far in the majors, it's been right handers who, unsurprisingly, strike out less and walk more often. Garcia's weakest pitch is his changeup and the curveball, both of which are key weapons against opposite handed hitters. The curveball in particular can be better than what we've seen so far this year. It was, by far, his best pitch when I saw him in minors. To wit, Garcia was actually better against right handers throughout the minors.

Star-divide

Mirror, Mirror on the wall, who is the most valuable of them all? If you want an estimation of how things have corrected themselves on the team as of late, your most valuable position players are Albert Pujols and Matt Holliday according to Fangraphs WAR. There's an argument to be made for Rasmus depending on how you want to value his defense (UZR is displeased currently though +/- is more neutral) but the point stands in large part. The Cardinals brought Holliday on to be a substation part of this offense and he's done that. With the additions of Colby and David Freese (.370 wOBA), the offense has a healthy collection of superstars and well above average offensive players.

* * *

Back to yesterday's game for a moment. Adam Ottavino pitched reasonably well across 5 innings culminating in a questionable decision to remove him in the 6th. For various reasons, I think that was a defensible decision. 1) He had struggled through the previous two innings needing 20+ pitches in the 4th and the 5th to finish off the inning. 2) He was coming up against a pair of left handers (Fielder and Edmonds) who should be susceptible to a LOOGy.

Aside from that though, I want to show a couple of interesting graphs from his game yesterday.  The first pitch is simply the clusters of pitch types - fastball, changeup, slider. The second shows the outcome of those pitches - strike, ball, in play.

Horzspeed

Horzspeed

Take a look at the fastball cluster. Besides the fact that he's throwing quite a few of them (over 66%), they're getting put in play often as well. The changeup is fairing better with just thee of 15 in play and a healthy number of them going for strikes. The other noteworthy item is the lack of sliders. Ottavino has long been billed as a fastball/slider pitcher, leading some to believe he should be in the pen, but he's thrown considerably more changeups in yesterday's game. It's likely nothing more than a blip (the slider was more prevalent in his first outing) but I'm curious to see how the slider is used moving forward.

* * *

Tomorrow is the Rule IV draft and the Cardinals will have the chance to restock a weak farm system. At pick 25, there are too many unknowns to do more than guess at who the actual pick will be. We can say with some certainty that the team has some players it likes but whether those players will reach the Cardinals is a huge unknown.

Admitting that uncertainty, I'd peg three players as the most likely outcome for Monday. They are Austin Wilson, Matt Harvey and Stetson Allie . For the Cardinals to get Wilson, my personal favorite, they'll need to have the feeling that they can sign him and they'll need about a dozen other teams to be unwilling to take on that risk. If Wilson falls out of the first round, it's entirely about signability and whether a team thinks they can offer him enough to keep him from going to college. There's really no way to be angry if they don't pick Wilson and they or someone else does.The pitchers are a pair of power arms, the former in college the latter in high school. Both have command issues but feature the raw stuff and velocity that get teams excited.

The draft is, unfortunately, heavy in pitching this year. Pitching is extremely difficult to predict and, historically, those picks have the lowest rate of return. With the Cardinals having three top 50 picks this is something of bad timing given the composition of their system right now.  The farm system has a significant number of arms in the minors that project well and are performing well particularly the Quad Cities staff led by Shelby Miller and Joe Kelly. The position players throughout the system are quite the opposite with a large contingent of fringe role players and toolsy players who aren't producing.

Expect some additional vague statements about the Cardinals' intentions for Monday. The truth is that they're an extremely tight lipped club and the media has difficulty predicting them or eliciting meaningful information. But that's part of what makes it so fun.

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part of me is excited for the draft tomorrow

the other part wishes the draft were in the off-season.

"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."

by BVHeck on Jun 6, 2010 7:34 AM EDT reply actions  

I agree on pitchers, very risky bet

would like to see more position players early and arms later. Although Kozma hasn’t worked out yet, I like this style of drafting. If pitchers like Garcia can routinely be had in later rounds then I’d take my chances on that.

What is the bet on the Walrus, he looks to be tailing off a bit on the OBP this year. Is he as hot a prsopect as he was this time last year?

Just win

by The Duke on Jun 6, 2010 9:31 AM EDT reply actions  

Garcia and Hanson are very much the exception rather than the rule

of course, you could say that (to a lesser extent) about the early rounds as well. I don’t think a position player would be a bad idea either, though. There are a couple of two way players (like robert stock last year) who could probably be had with the picks we’ve got too.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jun 6, 2010 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm a big fan of best available that late in the 1st round.....

You can always trade prospects, or trade ML players to create room for prospects that are doubling up on talent ahead of them.

It would seem that we could use some positional depth, but again, if the best player sitting there at 25 is a pitcher that we can use, take him.

by SoonerfanTU on Jun 6, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

agreed

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jun 7, 2010 7:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's only 222 ABs

But his K/BB has gone to total shit at 58/16 and he’s not really hitting for power considering the monster hitter’s league/park. That K/BB almost makes me think he is playing hurt and he obviously can’t be successful with that kind of rate. In any case, he really didn’t dominate last year at all and isn’t doing so this year either while being a “3B”/1B type player—-so yeah I’d say it’s safe to say his prospect status has taken a hit.

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by joker24 on Jun 6, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

people should just stop dealing with them all together

"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."

by BVHeck on Jun 6, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

seriously, I thought that Taylor/Walrus trade was as dumb as a box of rocks from the Jays

they’ve already got a whole heap of 1B/DH types, why add another one at the expense of a good OF prospect?

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jun 7, 2010 7:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

i don't know

they need a first baseman right now, and walrus is front of the pack (as soon as they can get rid of overbay), so they didn’t have someone to fill that spot, it appears. but it does seem they are chock-full in the outfield – don’t they have some young stud outfielder around colby’s age?

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by cardball on Jun 7, 2010 7:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

the balls to the wall were all, without exception, scary.

if the wind had been gusting like it had been just an hour ago, it would have been nothing but homers for the Brewers. (the Springfield flag over the third base side was blown off, hanging by a thread.) instead, the wind died around gametime.

meanwhile the heart of our order had some monstrous pop-ups.

biggest cheer of the day was for Ludwick against the wall. and the crowd was already hyped by Mottie. the applause went on and on and on. he was stoicwick.

and since you people suck at liveblogging, I will say I was most impressed by Boggs. he regularly went down for 87mph then the next pitch would be 95mph with that beautiful pop into Yadi’s glove. I’m not big on Boggsy, but damn, son.

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by Yadi2Second on Jun 6, 2010 9:34 AM EDT reply actions  

i have moar, but my time's short again today

will probably stick it in the overflow.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
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by Yadi2Second on Jun 6, 2010 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

owait. overheard between strangers:

paraphrasing.
“Colby better hit it hard — that’s our two slowest baserunners.”
“Miles would never make it on a grounder.”
“Look at that. Yadi can’t even steal with Miles at second!”

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by Yadi2Second on Jun 6, 2010 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

yesterday is the first time i remember thinking

“boggs may just be learning how to pitch,” the change in speeds and the semblance of locating his fastball and breaking ball was exciting to watch…as was motte and franklin’s performance

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by VolsnCards5 on Jun 6, 2010 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Boggs was impressive.

After Colby’s poor play and Miles’s horrendous throw, I was certain Milwaukee would score. After all, we gave them 5 outs. It would have Bern easy for Boggs to crumble, but he bore down and got us out of the jam. It was good to see.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jun 6, 2010 10:22 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Very much so.

I really like our bullpen, minus the ‘last’ slot. Franklin, Motte, K-Mac, Boggs, Miller, Reyes give us 6 arms that are performing quite well. Flexibility as well as depth. I like it.

by Voxx on Jun 6, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Speaking of that last bp guy

Was I completely out of it, or did Straussey actually tweet that he thinks Hawksworth
 gets a start Monday?

I am pleasantly pleased, thankyouverymuch

by mattyfrommo on Jun 6, 2010 12:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

He really is becoming the new Wonder reliever.

WonderHawk.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jun 6, 2010 2:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

god i hope not ill be at the game

sigh just pitch carp on normal rest please

by FunkeeC on Jun 6, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

can he be worse than walters?

scratch that, i guess the real answer is can he be BETTER than Walters?

Rasmus can hit lefties
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by stlcardsfan4 on Jun 7, 2010 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think they're pretty comparable actually

Hawk’s FB is a bit harder and his change is a bit less nasty.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jun 7, 2010 7:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Franklin was filthy.

His outing was my favorite. That sinker he threw to strike out Deputy was awesome.

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by tgreenfield on Jun 6, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

some fun on franklin

after yesterday’s outing, he’s now second in the league in WPA. he was first for most of the last week or so, but some dude named bard has really taken some jumps in WPA this past week. also, franklin is now worth as much WAR as he was ALL of last year, and his FIP is a full point lower than it was last year. his xFIP it still a tad high at 3.76 thanks to the 0% HR/FB rate, but is still impressive at 3.76, which is a whole half point lower than it was last year. he’s striking out half a batter less per nine innings but isn’t walking ANYONE (0.36/9, which is absolutely absurd), which is the reason for the spike in FIP and WAR.

either way you put it, franklin has been flat out dominant. i realize he’s probably due for some regression and will probably fudge up in the playoffs again (when regression hits), but he’s been pretty freaking good the first third of the season. on pace for about 2.5 WAR, which is pretty unheard of for a relief pitcher (unless you’re eric gagne).

also, jason heyward no longer leads the league in WPA. so haha for him.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jun 6, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I looked at it yesterday

This is year 4 of beating his xFIP by >1 run, it’s always something to be worried about, but it certainly looks like that is some kind of skill. Throwing 70% strikes and not giving up home runs is a good recipe.

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by joker24 on Jun 6, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

i've been arguing for a bit that franklin somewhat controls his low hr/fb rate

and that we shouldn’t be too worried about his FIP (or ERA) approaching that of his xFIP. he somehow is able to manage to keep the ball in the ballpark, causing his FIP and ERA to be lower. obviously, his HR/FB ratio won’t be 0% at the end of the year (or will it?), but it wouldn’t surprise me if he was able to duplicate last year’s 3.2% hr/fb rate.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jun 6, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

nope.

neither is WAR (which uses FIP as a component), which is why WAR for relievers is on a much lower scale.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jun 6, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

cool, thanks

Do you know if there is a systematic bias in FIP/ERA differential for relievers then (i.e., does FIP under/overestimate reliever ERA on average)?

by brackenthebox on Jun 6, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

i do not know, no.

but, i would guess that FIP is almost always going to be higher for relievers than ERA. at least, that’s the way it’s been in my experience.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jun 6, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

ERA is bad for starters

But it’s even worse for relievers. It almost never reflects their true talent level because the sample size is so small. A couple earned runs here and there skews their ERA by quite a bit

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by mysterui on Jun 6, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

exactly--but FIP can be a poor measure as well

most reasonable people would argue that dennys reyes has been an effective pitcher this year that has been good at getting lefties out and at the very least been an effective bullpen pitcher.

however, according to fangraphs, he’s been worth -0.1 WAR because of his 4.69 FIP that’s almost singularly due to his 5.82 BB/9 rate that has been inflated because of the small sample size. his ERA is starting to regulate (it’s up to 2.65), and i believe that’s a better measure of how reyes has pitched this season.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jun 6, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

this is true

the fact that there’s a new reliever valuation stat every week, i think, helps point out how little we still know about evaluating relievers

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jun 6, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

i evaluate by how angry they make me.

and currently, there’s only one pitcher in the bullpen that makes me angry. so that’s good.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jun 6, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

i evaluate them

based on how angry at the batters they look. a quick glance to the right should confirm who my favorite reliever is

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jun 6, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

In his mind

babip giveth... and babip taketh away

by purple_haze on Jun 6, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

He saved his nonsensical yelling for off the field.

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by The Continental on Jun 6, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Al did.

Actually, he just stalked around the mound yelling.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 6, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would say if Reyes' only job is getting lefties out

and he’s walking 6 of them per 9 innings, he is most definitely NOT doing his job. Of course, it’s slightly dependent on how many of them are IBBs to righties in order to get to lefties.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jun 7, 2010 7:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

FIP is not a great measure as well

If you are looking for “true talent”, a projection is your best bet.

by vivaelpujols on Jun 6, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

There is

Relievers will have a lower HR/FB and a lower BABIP on average. One of the reasons I don’t like FanGraphs WAR for relievers.

by vivaelpujols on Jun 6, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

i agree.

i used to do fangraphs as a catch-all for everything, but i’ve noticed i hate the way it evaluates relievers.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jun 6, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hate the chaining concept, personally.

Hate, hate, hate it. It’s logically faulty, arbitrary and completely indefensible. I have no idea why it doesn’t attract more heat in the sabr community.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jun 7, 2010 7:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Also, FWIW

I didn’t realise they had lower HR/FB and lower BABIP. I thought the discrepency was mainly due to the whole specialist relievers/inherited runners thing (i.e. if a RP gives up baserunners, it’s easier to remove them by swapping him out for a better matchup). Any thoughts as to why reliever HR/FB and BABIP are lower? Just better stuff?

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jun 7, 2010 7:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pretty much

There’s a discussion of this at BtB. Basically, BABIP is correlated with anything you look at. Location, sequencing, etc. So if you have a guy like Rivera who never pitches the ball over the middle, of course he is going to have a lower BABIP than average.

Or if you have a guy like Brian Wilson who is literally unhittable, it’s not like batters are mkaing solid contact off of him when they don’t strike out.

by vivaelpujols on Jun 7, 2010 7:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

relievers just really aren't that valuable

compared to a starter or an every day position player

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jun 6, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

well, obviously

because they don’t accrue the stats that starters do.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jun 6, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

i was refuting the notion

that reliever WAR was on a different scale

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jun 6, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

no

because the best reliever in baseball isn’t as valuable as the best starter in baseball

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jun 6, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

cool,

but WAR is still on the same scale.

just like WAR is on the same scale for starting 2Bs and pinch hitters. one just has more of an opportunity to accrue it than the other

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by prophetjohn on Jun 6, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

i knew i poorly worded what i was trying to say

i meant that if you would see a reliever with a 2.0 WAR you would probably say “WOW, that guy had a great year.”

however, if you had a starter with the same WAR, you would probably think he was average at best.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jun 6, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

okay, yeah

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jun 6, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

But the high-leverage relievers do have a disproportionate effect on game outcomes. That doesn’t make them any more valuable from a money standpoint because you can find a lot of guys who can get the job done, just that a reliever doing well is going to have a bigger impact than fangraphs WAR is going to give them IMO.

Especially in Franklin’s case as it seems he has the magic ERA < FIP ability. I would imagine that if we have a 4 ERA/FIP closer, he would have cost us more than just 1 game so far.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jun 6, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

that might be the case

i’ve had a hard time finding anything that explains the math behind LI so i can look and see if i think it actually is worthwhile. i think i have a pretty good idea of how it’s calculated and what it represents, but i don’t know for sure

just saying that reliever WAR is slightly different than starter WAR i think

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jun 6, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

my line of thought, though

is that LI is very closely ties to WPA which i don’t put a lot of stock into

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jun 6, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

in theory, LI should make WPA more meaningful, as a normalization

hits and at bats are closely tied to each other as well (in that if you have more at bats, you’ll have more hits), but combining the two (batting average) gives tells you a lot more than either alone.

by brackenthebox on Jun 6, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

i actually found those,

but hadn’t read the THT thing yet. there’s also a part 2 and 3 for crucial situations

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by prophetjohn on Jun 6, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is year 4 of beating his xFIP by >1 run, it’s always something to be worried about, but it certainly looks like that is some kind of skill.

I dunno. 3 and a bit years in the bullpen is about equal to one year as a starter. Starters have absurdly lucky years of HR/FB all the time. I have a hard time believing it’s not just luck. He doesn’t even have an especially high IFFB rate, so it’s not like he’s inducing lots of weak contact in the air.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jun 7, 2010 7:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think his BABIP is for real

HR/FB … not so much, his career rate is 10.0.

by vivaelpujols on Jun 7, 2010 7:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

My draft preference

is a philosophical choice based on very little knowledge of the actual players available. My first choice is for a high-upside HS pitcher who may have signability issues a la Shelby. Failing that I would like to see a college position player, hopefully a shortstop with a serious bat who could rise through the system quickly and be moved over to second. I am really tired of the never-ending stream of near replacement level crap that the Cardinals have thrown at that position ever since the Vina days.

I can’t imagine there will be a college pitcher worthy of a first-round pick who will still be available at #25. Overdrafting of college pitchers has been the single biggest flaw with the Cardinals draft strategy since Luhnow arrived.

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by giveml on Jun 6, 2010 11:09 AM EDT reply actions  

Help with player comparison

I’m working on a FanPost comparing the new bench (Miles, Winn, Stav) with the former one (T Greene, Jay, Mather/Craig). What’s the best stat(s) to use? How do you suggest handling major league equivalents for the Memphis gang?

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by gocards62 on Jun 6, 2010 11:17 AM EDT reply actions  

my two cents

Offensively, wOBA is the way to go. You can get MLE’s from minorleaguesplits (normalized for ball park) and then calculate the wOBA off of those raw numbers.

Defensively, total zone at minor league splits is the (only) stat to use. There’s really no other choice. Some combination of UZR, DRS (+/-) and TZ at the majors is probably the best bet — certainly the first two.

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by azruavatar on Jun 6, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Question for those who follow the draft

It’s not really my cup of tea to analyze college and high school players, or project where they may be drafted or their pro careers, but what is the consensus on Garrett Wittels? He’s the guys with the 56-game hitting streak as a sophomore for Florida International. He’s been getting alot of press, but is he considered a top or even decent prospect? Will he get drafted on Monday?

by jd is legend on Jun 6, 2010 12:14 PM EDT reply actions  

From what I remember

KLaw said he’s a fringe prospect and while he’s likely to get drafted, he’s not a first day pick.

I’ll try to find where I read that, maybe a KLaw chat.

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by tgreenfield on Jun 6, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

boom an answer--i was half right

Matt (Tampa)
Is the college kid with the hit streak a legit prospect. I know it’s an inferior conference, but that many games in a row with a hit is still impressive.

Klaw
  (1:09 PM)

Not really – and he’s not eligible till ’11.

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by tgreenfield on Jun 6, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

He has 2 bombs and hasn’t really walked.

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by joker24 on Jun 6, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Harvey won't be there

From everything I’ve been reading, Harvey is likely to go in the 7-12 range as teams like the Mets have shown significant interest. Even if Harvey slips into the 17-20 range, I don’t see him getting past the Red Sox. Allie offers an interesting case to see if there is a widespread shift in philosophy amongst teams. Allie, with his raw tools and lack of polish, could fall if teams that have a lot of needs prefer low ceiling high floor types of college arms like Workman, Wimmers, Loux, etc. I could definitely see him being there at 25, and I think the Cardinals should take him. He offers 2 plus pitches, a very nice frame with clean mechanics.

We all pine for Austin Wilson, but if we’re looking to re-stock our organization, I don’t want to have that be predicated on convincing Wilson’s parents to forgo Stanford(all indications are that they are VERY pro-college) with a big enough bonus check. If we’re willing to shell out the bucks to sign a high upside type of player, let’s look in the direction of Nick Castellanos.

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by tgreenfield on Jun 6, 2010 12:28 PM EDT reply actions  

This is a very good point

“I don’t want to have that be predicated on convincing Wilson’s parents to forgo Stanford(all indications are that they are VERY pro-college) "

This also implies that Wilson himself is very intelligent, and may value schooling above athletics, as athletics will always be there (injury is possible I guess) whereas a Stanford education will not be.

In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Jun 6, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree with that notion

Standford will always be there, while athletic ability or health will not. He can always set money aside from his bonus to go towards a Stanford education IF injuries end his career early. If he doesn’t set that money aside, he can always earn it like the rest of us, using loans and such. I think if you have that much talent coming out of HS, you pursue the more fragile path first, which would be the path of a professional athlete.

by stxcardsfan on Jun 6, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do you seriously think

that any team drafting him will want him going to college? Keep dreaming.

In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Jun 6, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

huh?

my point was that when he signs for the rather large bonus he will command he can go to school any time he pleases, whether its during the offseasons or after his playing career

by FunkeeC on Jun 6, 2010 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I doubt he could go back to Stanford.

If he hasn’t been to school in 5 years, do you think a prominent school will want him after that. I doubt it.

In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Jun 6, 2010 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good college essay perhaps?

In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Jun 6, 2010 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

actually, they might be pretty accepting of "nontraditional" students

I go to a fairly similar school, and one of my classmates is a 60 year old British guy.

blarg

by chalk on Jun 6, 2010 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

does he play another sport?

he could pull a danny ainge, who played basketball at byu and spent summers playing for the blue jays. being pro in one sport doesn’t affect your eligibility in the other.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 6, 2010 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure.

But I would prefer baseball over basketball or football. Much longer period of playing, contracts are more secure (football is horrible in this regard), and he seems to have a lot more hype as a baseball player, so he would be advised to play in the sport he is best in.

In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Jun 6, 2010 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

just saying after he signs, if he busts and goes back to college

he could always play something else for a free ride, although i don’t know why he’d need a free ride at that point, being a millionaire.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 6, 2010 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

He may get less scholarship money as a non-athlete,

which could make going to Stanford unrealistic.

Regression, bitches.

by spants on Jun 6, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

which is why I said he should set aside money from his bonus

as insurance money to pay for an education if injuries occur.

by stxcardsfan on Jun 6, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually most "elite" colleges are now surprisingly affordable

(and anyway, if he goes pro he’ll already have enough money)

blarg

by chalk on Jun 6, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh yeah?

Stanford is$13,000 a year. Not the most expensive, but certainly not the “affordable” track for many people.

Regression, bitches.

by spants on Jun 6, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I go to the 4th most expensive college in the US!

Scholarships FTW

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jun 6, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

i would think

i know tulane is that much.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 6, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know where you got that number...

but stanford, like harvard, yale, etc. have a ton of financial aid for people from non-rich families. To the extent that yes, it is “affordable”. I would say that without financial aid grants, it’s probably more like 50k per year.

blarg

by chalk on Jun 6, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

13,000 a year would be amazing

Even shitty colleges in Maine cost like 45,000 a year.

by vivaelpujols on Jun 6, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

as someone who attends college in maine, i'm offended by that statement

my college is not shitty!

"The outfield is deep and playing him straight-away, and the infield is the same, except first, second, third, and short are playing him to pull."
-Mike Shannon

by tehzachatak on Jun 6, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bates

"The outfield is deep and playing him straight-away, and the infield is the same, except first, second, third, and short are playing him to pull."
-Mike Shannon

by tehzachatak on Jun 6, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

bates?

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jun 6, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

since everyone is piling on,

i should point out that i’ve never even heard of this school and would have reacted like that no matter what you said just to be an ass

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jun 6, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I looked at that one

And Colby. My mom liked bates but i didn’t.

by vivaelpujols on Jun 6, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Colby sucks.

"The outfield is deep and playing him straight-away, and the infield is the same, except first, second, third, and short are playing him to pull."
-Mike Shannon

by tehzachatak on Jun 6, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bates has that problem too, but we're getting a lot better.

my real problem with Colby is that their school president’s name is Bro Adams. I’m not making this up.

"The outfield is deep and playing him straight-away, and the infield is the same, except first, second, third, and short are playing him to pull."
-Mike Shannon

by tehzachatak on Jun 6, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

a bust some might say

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jun 6, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

seen his ops lately?

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 6, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why not just go to one of the UCs?

If I were a California resident, I’d be at UCLA and not USC

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jun 6, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dude I hate LA

I wanna go to Colardo or Boston or Vermont.

by vivaelpujols on Jun 6, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

where do you go to school?

"The outfield is deep and playing him straight-away, and the infield is the same, except first, second, third, and short are playing him to pull."
-Mike Shannon

by tehzachatak on Jun 6, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

ah

"The outfield is deep and playing him straight-away, and the infield is the same, except first, second, third, and short are playing him to pull."
-Mike Shannon

by tehzachatak on Jun 6, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

What do you wanna major in?

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jun 6, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you do major in Econ

Make sure you minor in something specific. Stats/finance/sociology/polisci, whatever. Econ’s too general of a field for employers to know what you’re really about

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jun 6, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I took a writing intensive poli sci class

Having come from econ/finance and then taking a poli sci class, it seemed to me we were learning about a pretend world. Unless you really want to end up in politics and/or love politics to an unhealthy degree, the practical value on poli sci is about that of learning how to make ice sculptures from what I can tell. Might be wrong, but that was my experience.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jun 6, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

good point

I’m all for practicality.

The problem is I am just really good at statistics, but statistics is limited and kinda boring.

by vivaelpujols on Jun 6, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

just wait till you start doing metrics instead of "statistics"

the limited thing kinda starts to disappear.

"The outfield is deep and playing him straight-away, and the infield is the same, except first, second, third, and short are playing him to pull."
-Mike Shannon

by tehzachatak on Jun 6, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

econometrics

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Econometrics

"The outfield is deep and playing him straight-away, and the infield is the same, except first, second, third, and short are playing him to pull."
-Mike Shannon

by tehzachatak on Jun 6, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fucking love Econometrics

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jun 6, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh, I've read a lot of stuff about that

I hate those guys. Their overeliance on the models is analogous to Dave Cameron’s Mariner’s homerism.

/generalization based off of a few selected memories.

by vivaelpujols on Jun 6, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

those guys?

it’s not really a “those guys” thing… it’s kind of what you do in academic economics to test things…

"The outfield is deep and playing him straight-away, and the infield is the same, except first, second, third, and short are playing him to pull."
-Mike Shannon

by tehzachatak on Jun 6, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm thinking about the JC Bradbury, Dave Berri types

Who do sports economics using statistics techniques. To be fair though, I don’t think those guys are the creme of the crop.

by vivaelpujols on Jun 6, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dave Berri

is hilarious but I liked him better on Night Court

Time is the best teacher; Unfortunately it kills all its students

by TomCat009 on Jun 6, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know what models you're talking about

But the intro to the course is how to do regressions with specific assumptions, and as you learn more about heterosketadicity, multi-collinearity, etc, those assumptions are relaxed

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jun 6, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmmm, that's what I'm doing with my statistics teacher this year

But, like I said, from what I’ve read online, a lot of econometricians abuse regression coefficients and correlations to prove their points.

by vivaelpujols on Jun 6, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

btw lets stop this thread

it’s way too far to the right

"The outfield is deep and playing him straight-away, and the infield is the same, except first, second, third, and short are playing him to pull."
-Mike Shannon

by tehzachatak on Jun 6, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

seconded.

"The outfield is deep and playing him straight-away, and the infield is the same, except first, second, third, and short are playing him to pull."
-Mike Shannon

by tehzachatak on Jun 6, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

you're just a little guy?

crazy

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jun 6, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

top 25 liberal arts college in the country

but no, i guess it’s not in the top 5 schools in the country.

"The outfield is deep and playing him straight-away, and the infield is the same, except first, second, third, and short are playing him to pull."
-Mike Shannon

by tehzachatak on Jun 6, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

isn't that where mcinerney went

or was it bowdoin, or bennington? i get all those preppy new england liberal arts colleges confused.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 6, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

williams, i believe

"The outfield is deep and playing him straight-away, and the infield is the same, except first, second, third, and short are playing him to pull."
-Mike Shannon

by tehzachatak on Jun 6, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

ah yeah, i always get those 2 confused

think they lived together for awhile in louisville or some such place.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 6, 2010 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Isn't that a scary motel?

Tis better to lose bunting than win with dingers alone...

by guayzimi on Jun 6, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

i make my parents stay far away when they visit me.

"The outfield is deep and playing him straight-away, and the infield is the same, except first, second, third, and short are playing him to pull."
-Mike Shannon

by tehzachatak on Jun 6, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

bates is a great school.

Did you manage not to get arrested in the fracas last week?

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Jun 6, 2010 7:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Why? And how?

Does your family have ties to Maine? I mean, you’re literally about as far away from Maine as anywhere in the continental US.

by jd is legend on Jun 6, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

how were the camp instructors?

my sister used to work at a big camp in maine in the summers when she was in college. she had a blast, but i don’t know how it was for the kids.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 6, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

MU and UT aren't much less than $13K/yr

no way that’s right

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jun 6, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

private schools are usually at least 40k+

my school is 53k…. not that i have to pay most of that, but…

blarg

by chalk on Jun 6, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I went to the website.

That was what it said. LINK That does NOT include room and board.

(shrugs)

Either way, I dispute the notion that elite colleges are “affordable.”

Regression, bitches.

by spants on Jun 6, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

that would be per quarter. Assuming a student attends 3Q per year

(which is expected) that would be nearly 40k tuition, add 10-15k r&b and there it is. But as a student at another so-called “elite” college, and not being wealthy myself, I’d say they are actually quite affordable. I actually am paying less at my “elite” college than I would have to pay to go to MU.

blarg

by chalk on Jun 6, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's cool.

But it doesn’t always work out that way. And he may not have the grades/test scores to get in without baseball.

Regression, bitches.

by spants on Jun 6, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I haven't seen any indication that he would have gotten into Stanford

had he not been a great baseball player. So, unless he’s a national merit scholar and/or valedictorian of his high school class, I will not assume he would have gotten into Stanford anyway.

My point is that it’s not really true that “Stanford will always be there” – if he doesn’t go there now, it very likely won’t be. Of course, he can always go to some other school.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Jun 6, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

It'd be tough to turn down >2 mil or whatever his value is

2M turns to 1M after taxes, agent, financial stuff, but that’s still 1M in the bank. But the “college will always be there” argument never really does it for me:

1. If you really are good enough to make the majors, then if you go to college, you end up getting drafted in 3 years and you still get to make the majors.

2. If you aren’t actually good enough to make the majors, then…….you’d much rather just go to college. If anything, it’s baseball that is always there, you don’t really get to be a freshman when you are 24 years old and being 28 coming out of undergrad is not a great situation.

The money is what you have to consider worth going through the 2nd situation, which would in fact blow.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jun 6, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

1. Unless you get injured.

2. Maybe you’d rather get rich, then you could go to college after toiling in the minors for a few years and retiring.

You have to realize that aspiring baseball talents are usually not wealthy, so money is important to them and their families. It certainly doesn’t equal happiness, but it makes life a lot easier.

blarg

by chalk on Jun 6, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

not only get injured

which is a concern and why pros take guaranteed long-term deals for security in return for a “discount”, but he could also not pan out at stanford and never get a big offer again.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 6, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's literally what I'm saying

If you don’t pan out, then you’d much rather live the life of going to college than not pan out in Davenport, Iowa.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jun 6, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

but minus millions of dollars?

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 6, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right

MillionS is a different story, that’s too much money to pass up, but the number of guys signing for 100k out of HS to me is absolutely insane.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jun 6, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

considering mateo got 3.5

he’s likely looking at 4 anyway, and i don’t think he passes it up.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 6, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

4.5 is a hell of a lot for a 25th pick

isn’t that slot for like the low top-10?

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jun 7, 2010 7:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

i think he goes around top 10

he’d sign for 4 i believe.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 7, 2010 7:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

1. If you get injured, you are still in the 2nd boat

2. That’s exactly what I’m saying. You have to pick a dollar amount that would be worth the probability of living the shit life that is the low minors instead of college. That wouldn’t be anything short of 1M for me anyway.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jun 6, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really don't know where you're coming from...

1M is a lot of money. Maybe you’re already rich, but I would sure as hell take, say, 500k to play minor league baseball instead of college.
Also, what if he blows out his knee and ends his career? You hear about this all the time… usually in football. A star decides to come back for his senior year, then suffers career-ending injury. What do you do then? You’re just an average person, no longer do you have the athletic meal ticket.

blarg

by chalk on Jun 6, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry, but $1MM just isn't that much money.

Maybe it is or maybe it isn’t a good financial decision to go to college rather than play in the minors right away, but it isn’t obviously a good decision just because $1MM is thrown your way.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Jun 6, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is a lot of money. In the US the average personal income is something like

40-50k. So that’s 20 years’ salary. Or enough to pay for 20 years of education at Stanford. In other words, a lot of money.

blarg

by chalk on Jun 6, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

you should be able to make 30-50K/year on interest alone

on a million dollars, if managed conservatively. And that is assuming he’s a complete failure as a baseball player.

The risk/reward calculations just don’t support going to college, I don’t think. Even if you can’t get into Stanford in 4 or 5 years, you can get into any number of good schools.

Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers

by SleepyCA on Jun 6, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

he's gonna get a lot more than a million

otherwise he might as well go to stanford.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 6, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

read the full thread

that’s a million take home, after taxes etc.

Anyway, can you explain WHY would he be better off to go to Stanford?

Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers

by SleepyCA on Jun 6, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

to up his value

it’d be worth the risk to him, especially since he’s not really opposed to college and is not poor. but i think he gets more than mateo, and signs.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 6, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

????

1 Million dollars may not be enough for you but it would drastically alter my lifestyle…

You fit into me
like a hook into an eye

a fish hook
an open eye

by Red Blazer on Jun 6, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

What if he blows out his knee in the minors?

Then he effectively will have wasted his time for years and would have been much better blowing out his knee in college.

1M is a lot of money, so is 4 years of your life (although I’m saying I would risk it for a mil). Some people are going to have lower thresholds, but not me. And comparing it to football is a VERY different situation, as you get to the NFL immediately.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jun 6, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

if he blows out his knee in the minors

he skips his happy ass to college with a million dollars (probably more) in his pocket

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jun 6, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know about you

But going to college right now and not when I was 18 would have been a terrible experience in comparison.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jun 6, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed, BUT

you have to realize that attending college as a highly hyped sports prospect is going to be very, very different than the average college experience anyway. i’m sure there are a lot of perks, but i’m sure there are also a lot of cons.

"The outfield is deep and playing him straight-away, and the infield is the same, except first, second, third, and short are playing him to pull."
-Mike Shannon

by tehzachatak on Jun 6, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really?

I would have preferred to have been a highly hyped sports prospect if for no other reason, my knowledge of college aged females…

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jun 6, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

how about not being able to drink for probably half the year?

and generally not being able to have quite the disregard for just about anything that is one of the wonderful parts of college? he doesn’t want to screw up his future, and i imagine that restrains one pretty heavily.

"The outfield is deep and playing him straight-away, and the infield is the same, except first, second, third, and short are playing him to pull."
-Mike Shannon

by tehzachatak on Jun 6, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Heh

The thought of college baseball players not drinking for half the year is funny.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jun 6, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Never stopped any that I knew of.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 6, 2010 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think we are talking multiple millions

which is the question i posed below. otto got about a mil, and he wasn’t as big a contract and had little leverage being a college player. i’m guessing 4 mil neighborhood.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 6, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

contract = prospect

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 6, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

i really don't see

any inherent need to blow through college as fast as you can just for the sake of being done with it when you’re 22

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jun 6, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

ya

i feel sorry for those guys that do that

"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."

by BVHeck on Jun 6, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

maybe it's just me

but i can’t imagine that i would have gotten from college what i’m getting from it now at age 18 or 20

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jun 6, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'll get my undergrad when i'm 26

and even including the fact that i couldn’t have finanacially afforded it when i was 20, i’m much better off doing it now than then

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jun 6, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

i probably would have been even less mentally ready for college

i definitely would have signed if i were drafted

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jun 6, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

You wouldn't have been mentally ready for college

But would have been for being the richest person on a baseball team full of 18 year olds in a small city performing in a world that has a much higher level of responsibility than “you can’t get drunk EVERY night”?

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jun 6, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

i don't really understand this

i was pretty responsible at that age, just had no understanding of “hey, josh, you are paying for this shit and it’s actually really going to help you. stop failing classes like ‘college orientation’ because you think they are beneath you”

and stuff

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jun 6, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

personally i think he'll sign, and so be gone before we pick

not saying the stanford talk was a total ruse, but it is good negotiating to get it out there. however, there’s a fine line where you could take it too far and cost yourself. i’ve read several places that his camp has recently intimated that it’d be possible to sign him – if teams thought he wouldn’t sign at all they wouldn’t pick him, but knowing it’s all a matter of money will get him picked high by someone willing to pay the price.

say no team in front of us is willing to pay up and he’s on the board – what is the best offer the cards should make? we did try to give mateo 3.5 mil. i’m curious what people think it will take and if we should go that high. if he doesn’t sign we get that pick again next year, right?

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 6, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think he'll sign too.

his parents have money (they already pay $30K/yr to send him to his private high school). it’s just a smart negotiating policy.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Jun 6, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

That probably explains his willingness to choose college over the pros.

If he’s already got family money, the monetary reward of signing may not outweigh the Stanford experience in his mind.

blarg

by chalk on Jun 6, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great photo caption, AZ

"He ran hard, but he didn't run fast. He runs like he's mad at the ground." - opposing broadcaster describing Yadi's speed.

by TNTinCO on Jun 6, 2010 12:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Absolutely.

"When I gave up a grand slam to Pete LaCock," Bob Gibson said later, "I knew it was time to quit."

by The Classical on Jun 6, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

You fit into me
like a hook into an eye

a fish hook
an open eye

by Red Blazer on Jun 6, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Morrow has totally filthy stuff good god

Why in the world would the Mariners have tried to put a 3 pitch pitcher who can hit 98 as a starter in the bullpen.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jun 6, 2010 1:30 PM EDT reply actions  

*4 pitch

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jun 6, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Health

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jun 6, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

They put him in the 'pen even before the diabetes diagnosis

He was in their pen the first year out of the draft.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jun 6, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think it had anything to do with his diabetes

I thought it had to do with them not trusting his mechanics. But I could very, very well be making stuff up

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jun 6, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

He wanted to be in the pen

a-la Papelbon, I think. I guess that would be at least part of it.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jun 7, 2010 7:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

LaRussa said on the radio this morning

that he’s leaning toward starting Miles over Skippy at second, but he’ll make that decision when he gets to the ballpark. He also said that Boog would probably be back at SS, and that Freese is out (Floppy starting at 3rd).

by BTown Birds fan on Jun 6, 2010 1:32 PM EDT reply actions  

And so it begins...

"And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is ALBERT when I lay my vengeance upon thee." -The Bible

by Cardinals645 on Jun 6, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wonder just how long

Miles can maintain that nifty .000 fielding percentage?

Carry the battle to them. Don't let them bring it to you. Put them on the defensive and don't ever apologize for anything.

by giveml on Jun 6, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

DanUp looked it up

Miles had the 4th worst OPS for any >30 year old non-catcher to have received any playing time in the next season. It’s a joke he’s on the team.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jun 6, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

But he scored the winning run yesterday?

How could we have won if wasn’t on the team to do that for us?

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 6, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

interrupt for a tweet.

 cjbeatty44 Its sooooooo good to be alive! Proud to be an American! Baseball is life baby!!! Lol about 4 hours ago via Echofon

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 6, 2010 2:11 PM EDT reply actions  

thanks

this fills my inane social networking quota for the day

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jun 6, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cards-Browns WS highlights on MLB Net now.

I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.
VEB: WWGTD

by The Continental on Jun 6, 2010 2:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Rasmus slash line this year: .291/.401/.552

That’s a .404 wOBA, which would be 18th in baseball. Of those seventeen ahead of him, 5 are first basemen, and 6 are corner outfielders (although Werth and Rios are both very good defenders).

by vivaelpujols on Jun 6, 2010 2:29 PM EDT reply actions  

should be at least one hand raised, but not many more
As for optimists, we had one 48 homer projection and one .301/.410/.595 line

from the community projection

I think the juxtaposition of those two predictions puts his current line in perspective

by brackenthebox on Jun 6, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

and if he can keep the strike outs down

it should stay that way. These last few weeks he has been striking out a lot less. And he has again been productive.

by Evilfrog on Jun 6, 2010 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Nationals need 3 outs to make this an official game...

Leading 2-1 and about to get pounded by rain, it appears.

I’m guessing that, with the Reds’ luck, the delay will come with 2 outs.

by LukeMP1186 on Jun 6, 2010 2:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Official game now.

"A good catcher is the quarterback, the carburetor, the lead dog, the pulse taker, the traffic cop and sometimes a lot of unprintable things, but no team gets very far without one." – Miller Huggins

by vico on Jun 6, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

just graduated high school

and i feel awesome right now. i’ve been waiting for this day for a long time, and while i’m sad to leave in some ways, i’m very happy to be moving on to the next chapter.

Albert's grand slam, 7/3/09
@zoomzoomj88
Boog's stache is back!
Aaron Miles, Tony? Really?

by zoomzoomj88 on Jun 6, 2010 2:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Congrats!

"A good catcher is the quarterback, the carburetor, the lead dog, the pulse taker, the traffic cop and sometimes a lot of unprintable things, but no team gets very far without one." – Miller Huggins

by vico on Jun 6, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Congrats...

90% of all the fun you’ll ever have in your life has already occurred.

Tis better to lose bunting than win with dingers alone...

by guayzimi on Jun 6, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ummm

I’d say a solid 80% of the fun I have had in my life occurred in the past 4 years of college.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jun 6, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's been accepted...

to a university that actually requires him to submit work that has to meet a minimum standard of quality, ie not Mizzou.

Tis better to lose bunting than win with dingers alone...

by guayzimi on Jun 6, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kidding!

Tis better to lose bunting than win with dingers alone...

by guayzimi on Jun 6, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha.

between out of state tuition and Mizzou being 6 hours away, no chance. would’ve liked to though

Albert's grand slam, 7/3/09
@zoomzoomj88
Boog's stache is back!
Aaron Miles, Tony? Really?

by zoomzoomj88 on Jun 6, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

seriously

I’m finally entering the real world after 22 years in school, and undergrad was definitely the fun part

by brackenthebox on Jun 6, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

high school sucked

college is way more fun

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jun 6, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have had both a good high school and good college experience

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jun 6, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

High School wasn't bad

But college was just amazing. The best thing I ever did in college was buy my own tuxedo to go to formals.

by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 6, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

same here

I had a lot of fun my last two years in high school, but the 6 years I spent as an undergrad blew high school out of the water

I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!

by First mammal to wear pants on Jun 6, 2010 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

was the commencement speech any good?

but congrats bud

"...and pujols has given st louis the lead"
The Best Defensive Play I Have Seen in Person

follow me on teh twitterz @greenfieldt

by tgreenfield on Jun 6, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good job ZZ!

Enjoy the next phase. It get’s significantly more difficult after. It can be just as much fun, it just takes more work to make it so.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 6, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Garcia in NY Times: It's all Duncan

“has an excellent slider and is working to regain the sharp curveball he had before his injury. But he credited Duncan with showing him the importance of using a sinker, a pitch he said he had never thrown before. Garcia said that Duncan, a former catcher, has emphasized theory and mind-set more than mechanics”

Duncan: Anthony Reyes thought he was a hot-shot and could live on the heat. You want to end up like him? Throw MOAR sinkers!

Garcia: Anthony was a a very bad rookie, I’m a good rookie.

Just win

by The Duke on Jun 6, 2010 2:54 PM EDT reply actions  

i had to read that book

for a literature class in college. seriously, wtf is right.

by bmorgan on Jun 6, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

seriously?

that was a great book

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jun 6, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

i mean

pedophilia isn’t cool if that’s what you’re asking

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jun 6, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

not really

i knew what the book was about when i started reading it

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jun 6, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

The writing is awesome.

Nabokov’s command of English (not his native language) was incredible.

Regression, bitches.

by spants on Jun 6, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

How do you feel about Polanski?

Time is the best teacher; Unfortunately it kills all its students

by TomCat009 on Jun 6, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

There's a bit of a difference, surely...

between writing about paedophilia and raping a child?

blarg

by chalk on Jun 6, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Polanski made amazing films

Nabakov wrote amazing books, Gary Glitter made the best arena rock song of all time…

Time is the best teacher; Unfortunately it kills all its students

by TomCat009 on Jun 6, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

nicholson was around all those polanski parties

that got him in trouble.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 6, 2010 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Supposedly Mick Jagger had sex with a 16 year old Mackenzie Phillips

Time is the best teacher; Unfortunately it kills all its students

by TomCat009 on Jun 6, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

So too aparently did Mackenzies dad...

poor girl

You fit into me
like a hook into an eye

a fish hook
an open eye

by Red Blazer on Jun 6, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

wat?

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 6, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

he wrote it probably 30 years after leaving russia

he actually studied in your neck of the woods – cambridge – and ended up a professor over here, where he eventually wrote lolita.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 7, 2010 7:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't read the book

But the way the movie plays out is a little wtf. Especially with Peter Sellers.

by vivaelpujols on Jun 6, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

but it's not just about pedophilia

The point of the intro is that humbert humbert got snagged – mentally – on this girl who died when he was young. He’s hung up on being that age and romanticizing what that age was and what it meant. He’s locked in an emotional cul-de-sac and fails to find his way out.he’s a little more complex than just a pervert. That doesn’t make him less destructive, just complicated.

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Jun 6, 2010 4:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Kind of a lewis carroll thing

Time is the best teacher; Unfortunately it kills all its students

by TomCat009 on Jun 6, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

i thought that carried over into real life?

funny that lolita is considered somewhat dicey. hasn’t it been a pretty common theme in roles played by young brooke shields and drew barrymore, and numerous movies like american beauty, etc?

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 6, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, i know there's some question

but just the fact there’s question – i’ve never heard something like that about nabokov.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 6, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Plus, the writing in the book was playful and very much a game.

The writing itself is another example of his emotional stuntedness.

Regression, bitches.

by spants on Jun 6, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'm not condemning the book

the subject matter is the wtf part

by bmorgan on Jun 6, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Matt Capps blows the fucking save...

Back to back doubles from Stubbs and Gomes.

by LukeMP1186 on Jun 6, 2010 3:51 PM EDT reply actions  

rolen is killing this year

trading for him was dissed at the time, but walt is looking good on that one right now. i think scotty even restructured his contract.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 6, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

including WJ

Carry the battle to them. Don't let them bring it to you. Put them on the defensive and don't ever apologize for anything.

by giveml on Jun 6, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly...

I think they were trying to dump Edwin Encarnacion more than anything else.

by LukeMP1186 on Jun 6, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

rolen 2 run job

capps blew it big time

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jun 6, 2010 3:56 PM EDT reply actions  

YEAH NATIONALS!!!

did NOT see that coming after capps sucked it up

"The outfield is deep and playing him straight-away, and the infield is the same, except first, second, third, and short are playing him to pull."
-Mike Shannon

by tehzachatak on Jun 6, 2010 4:10 PM EDT reply actions  

i have no idea who any of these players are

but i’m glad they are putting up a good fight against the reds

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jun 6, 2010 4:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Lineup

Lopez 3B,
Ryan SS,
Pujols 1B,
Holliday LF
Ludwick RF,
Molina C,
Rasmus CF
Miles 2B,
Garcia P

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jun 6, 2010 4:16 PM EDT reply actions  

ugh

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jun 6, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm more worried about Ryan in the 2-hole

Pre-emptive TWSS

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jun 6, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

when the worst lineup you've ever seen

Has pujols, holliday, rasmus, and ludwick in it, you need to see more lineups. Our friends in san diego probably have one from an adrian gonzalez day off.

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Jun 6, 2010 4:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Well, he IS like 8 years old

Anyways, here was the Giants’ lineup from last night

CF Torres
2B Sanchez
SS Uribe
C Molina
RF Huff
LF Burrell
1B Posey
3B Sandoval
P Wellemeyer

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jun 6, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

...

why did sandoval hit 8th? am i missing something? is he in the midst of an incredible slump?

"The outfield is deep and playing him straight-away, and the infield is the same, except first, second, third, and short are playing him to pull."
-Mike Shannon

by tehzachatak on Jun 6, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

.280/.333/.450

…I really don’t know

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jun 6, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

from WWL

News: Sandoval is back to hitting third in Sunday’s lineup against the Pirates, the San Jose Mercury News reports.
Spin: He hit eighth Saturday with lefty Paul Maholm (he’s hitting .246 against southpaws) on the hill for the Bucs.

…. still fucking weird. Maybe Tony isn’t so bad.

"The outfield is deep and playing him straight-away, and the infield is the same, except first, second, third, and short are playing him to pull."
-Mike Shannon

by tehzachatak on Jun 6, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

pretty sure he's hit eighth at least one other time this year

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 6, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL

JUAN URIBE hitting 3rd? Jesus Mary Mother of God…

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jun 7, 2010 7:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

gonzalez

discovered only yesterday that the marlins drafted him and traded him to texas who shipped him to san diego. i always thought he’d come up with texas, since trading him is always pinned to them.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 6, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

They traded him (a #1 overall pick), and two other guys for Ugueth Urbina!

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jun 6, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

he wasn't doing much to look like a number one, though

i remember when urbina was all the rage.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 6, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

the Astros got Bagwell for 22 innings of Larry Anderson

from his hometown team of Boston,,, and he was hitting .377 in AAA

Time is the best teacher; Unfortunately it kills all its students

by TomCat009 on Jun 6, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Plus side:

Urbina helps the Marlins win the WS that year.

Down side:
Adrian Gonzalez does not go on to attack several farm workers with a machete and set them on fire.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jun 7, 2010 7:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dunno if you followed the Cards in '07...

but we used to bat Miles 6th with Taguchi and Kenndy setting the table and Spiezio at cleanup…

Tis better to lose bunting than win with dingers alone...

by guayzimi on Jun 6, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Of course I followed the Cards in 07

The difference is that year our team kinda sucked, and we didn’t have the talent we have now. There is no reason for us to be trotting out a lineup like today given our current roster.

by vivaelpujols on Jun 6, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed...

but what are the problems? Ryan is good, Lopez is good… It would be nice if Skip could field better and hit lefties. And Rasmus and Ludwick should be moved up.

The only glaring weakness is Miles.

Tis better to lose bunting than win with dingers alone...

by guayzimi on Jun 6, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ryan shouldn't be batting second, he should be batting eight

Rasmus, with his current OBP should be batting much higher, 5th at the least. Miles should no way be on the roster.

by vivaelpujols on Jun 6, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'm more worried about goddamn

fucking aaron miles taking at bats away from legitimate baseball players

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jun 6, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm seeing that as a sunk cost at the moment

And only evaluating with the mindset that he’s going to be on the roster, no matter what

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jun 6, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Now this

is a well-reasoned, thoroughly researched and carefully considered retort to LaRussa’s lineup decision.

by Michael_68_1999 on Jun 6, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Was predicted here last night

after the single.

"A good catcher is the quarterback, the carburetor, the lead dog, the pulse taker, the traffic cop and sometimes a lot of unprintable things, but no team gets very far without one." – Miller Huggins

by vico on Jun 6, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

i actually really don't have a problem with this lineup

Boog’s been hitting a lot better and I’m happy to see Ludwick behind Holliday so he gets protection even with Freese out. the only person we could start over Miles right now is Skip and I’m ok with him getting a day off.

to be clear, the only reason I’m even remotely ok with Aaron Miles in the lineup is that Freese is hurt, but this is actually a fairly sane lineup compared to things we’ve seen from Tony.

"The outfield is deep and playing him straight-away, and the infield is the same, except first, second, third, and short are playing him to pull."
-Mike Shannon

by tehzachatak on Jun 6, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tyler Greene, meanwhile

is hitting the Everloving Jehovah out of the ball in AAA

babip giveth... and babip taketh away

by purple_haze on Jun 6, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

my opinions on the roster are very different from my opinions of the lineup.

with the 25 man as it is, i am happy with this lineup.

"The outfield is deep and playing him straight-away, and the infield is the same, except first, second, third, and short are playing him to pull."
-Mike Shannon

by tehzachatak on Jun 6, 2010 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

tg

is not a 2nd baseman.

Albert's grand slam, 7/3/09
@zoomzoomj88
Boog's stache is back!
Aaron Miles, Tony? Really?

by zoomzoomj88 on Jun 6, 2010 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

huh?

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 6, 2010 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you can play SS, you can play 2nd

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jun 6, 2010 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

not to mention he'd be the best defensive second-baseman on the team

by a long shot.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 6, 2010 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

boog 2nd? MILES AT 2ND?

i don’t like boog hitting 2nd. i hate miles being the starting lineup!

Albert's grand slam, 7/3/09
@zoomzoomj88
Boog's stache is back!
Aaron Miles, Tony? Really?

by zoomzoomj88 on Jun 6, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

being in*

so much for graduating high school today. don’t know how i passed english!

Albert's grand slam, 7/3/09
@zoomzoomj88
Boog's stache is back!
Aaron Miles, Tony? Really?

by zoomzoomj88 on Jun 6, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

with Freese hurt, who goes there?

I think the only person you could make an argument for hitting there with who’s available is Colby, and against lefties i’m happy with him hitting a little lower.

"The outfield is deep and playing him straight-away, and the infield is the same, except first, second, third, and short are playing him to pull."
-Mike Shannon

by tehzachatak on Jun 6, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

molina

though he’s not hitting well, i admit

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jun 7, 2010 7:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wow...

just wow.

Tis better to lose bunting than win with dingers alone...

by guayzimi on Jun 6, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

at least garcia is in the second-leadoff spot, and not miles

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 6, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

ubaldo strikes out drew on a 90 mph changeup to start the game

after 99 heaters. wonder why the d’backs sit upton against ubaldo – second time this year.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 6, 2010 4:23 PM EDT reply actions  

He's really struggling...

maybe they didn’t want to make it any worse.

Tis better to lose bunting than win with dingers alone...

by guayzimi on Jun 6, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

they don't seem to be able to get on the same page

i think young is doing ok now, so upton has struggle i guess. at least dontrelle was pretty good for them yesterday. i know his numbers weren’t pristine, but most gave him pretty good grades. and he slid head first into home – was always my favorite pitcher to watch hit and run the bases when he was with florida.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 6, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

indeed

someone (i think here) made some comment about how he should be converted to outfield if he keeps having pitching issues… why not? the dude can absolutely rake with no attention to his hitting.. what if he actually took BP all the time?

"The outfield is deep and playing him straight-away, and the infield is the same, except first, second, third, and short are playing him to pull."
-Mike Shannon

by tehzachatak on Jun 6, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

ha, i think that someone was me

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 6, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

willis has a career .277 wOBA

great for a pitcher but terrible for a non-catcher position player.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jun 7, 2010 7:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

if he hit every day, and that was his focus

i think that number would be different

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 7, 2010 7:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dontrelle wasn't good

4 BBs and 3 Ks as a non-SuperGroundball pitcher=ticking time bomb.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jun 6, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

as i said, his numbers weren't pristine

but he was effective and got a lot of praise – rocks are a damn good lineup too. did you see the game?

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 6, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

You don't need to see the game to know that 4 BBs and 3 Ks is a bad game

You really don’t. There has never been a pitcher in the entire history of the big leagues to be consistently successful with that kind of line over any amount of time.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jun 6, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

As it happens it was a bad game...

but such a game could be pretty good… if he were getting squeezed, if he were walking someone like Pujols, if he were ahead of all the other hitters, if he got lots of ground balls, etc etc…

Tis better to lose bunting than win with dingers alone...

by guayzimi on Jun 6, 2010 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

He didn't get lots of ground balls

He walked Spilborghs, Melvin Mora, Carlos Gonzalez with no one on, and Ianetta with a man on 1st. It was a bad outing with good luck.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jun 6, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

wow

Mora still exists?

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jun 7, 2010 7:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

i'd take him in a hearbeat over stav or miles

he can play all their positions combined better than them, and hit better too. of course he makes a little more, but i don’t think that much.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 7, 2010 8:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

not talking about over time

just talking about that one specific game. i didn’t see any of it, and so asked if you had is all. first-hand accounts thought he was pretty good, deserving of praise. maybe the bar was low, i don’t know, having not seen it myself.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 6, 2010 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

The whole team is going to be blown sky high...

big disappointment… I thought that group of guys would win multiple pennants.

Tis better to lose bunting than win with dingers alone...

by guayzimi on Jun 6, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'd imagine

watching the dodgers and you’d love it – scully talking about the upcoming series, praising carp and waino up and down. hudson beating my guy 1-0 in the bottom 4th – frikkin heyward.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 6, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

thank you troy glaus

bases loaded for dodgers – now tied, and bases still loaded with one out.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 6, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

C'mon

it’s the Nationals. It’s not like they’re a real major-league team.

by Michael_68_1999 on Jun 6, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

they're decent

you must be thinking of the astros

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jun 6, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cincinnati has

only nine home games in July — and in those, they get Colorado and Atlanta. Let’s see where they are August 1.

by Michael_68_1999 on Jun 6, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

man, Ryan Zimmerman is a hell of a player

i’d give an arm and a leg for him to be on the cardinals, even with Freese looking as good as he is.

"The outfield is deep and playing him straight-away, and the infield is the same, except first, second, third, and short are playing him to pull."
-Mike Shannon

by tehzachatak on Jun 6, 2010 4:33 PM EDT reply actions  

He's one of my favorite players.

And almost as underrated as Chase Utley.

In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Jun 6, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Unless Schu is hurt I can't see how Miles batting

right handed is better than Schu batting left handed against a lefty. Although mini-stav did infect the basepaths last night and score the game winning run.

You fit into me
like a hook into an eye

a fish hook
an open eye

by Red Blazer on Jun 6, 2010 4:34 PM EDT reply actions  

he also hasn't had a day off in a week, and he's still not hitting unbelievably well.

i’m ok with it.

"The outfield is deep and playing him straight-away, and the infield is the same, except first, second, third, and short are playing him to pull."
-Mike Shannon

by tehzachatak on Jun 6, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

/facepalm

Okay, Skip sucks against lefties and Miles might actually be better, but Miles shouldn’t be on the fucking roster and Tyler Greene would be better.

by vivaelpujols on Jun 6, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

absolutely agreed

"The outfield is deep and playing him straight-away, and the infield is the same, except first, second, third, and short are playing him to pull."
-Mike Shannon

by tehzachatak on Jun 6, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was gonna make a joke that TL wants him on the team

so there is actually someone shorter than him but i was amazed to find out Tony is 6ft tall. He doesn’t look that tall on tv.

You fit into me
like a hook into an eye

a fish hook
an open eye

by Red Blazer on Jun 6, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'm going to have to agree, even if the

Original flip-out when he joined the roster was a little over the top. Once freese was going to be out more than a day (and with boog’s groin being twingy), they needed to make a move for a credible starter capable of playing SS, almost certainly greene.

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Jun 6, 2010 5:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

oh god i forgot we have to deal with Joe Morgan tonight.

someone shoot me. maybe I’ll just listen to Mike.

"The outfield is deep and playing him straight-away, and the infield is the same, except first, second, third, and short are playing him to pull."
-Mike Shannon

by tehzachatak on Jun 6, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

They keep fucking putting us on national tv

would they stop that?

babip giveth... and babip taketh away

by purple_haze on Jun 6, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

the last time we were visited by Miller and Morgan

they said “Yankees” 27 times in one inning. Anyone think they can beat it tonight?

I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!

by First mammal to wear pants on Jun 6, 2010 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

If cronyism is Tony’s modus operandi, then he should relegate it to places where it won’t screw the team over.

babip giveth... and babip taketh away

by purple_haze on Jun 6, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

effin desmond

"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."

by BVHeck on Jun 6, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Some Reds' BABIPs:

Gomes: .360
Rolen: .279
Votto: .368
Hanigan: .362
Bruce: .326
Hernandez: .344

by mattisnotfrench on Jun 6, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

probably not

I bet he’s elevating his swing more this year which would cause more home runs and a lower BAIBP.

by vivaelpujols on Jun 6, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Word. Albert's been doing the same thing these last 2 years

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jun 6, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's not really hitting more flyballs on a whole though

Oddly enough, his longest home run is 420 feet this year, he hit several that were longer than that last year so I don’t really know if it’s fair to say he’s actually got more raw power this year. The thing that looks like it’s returned is his ability to go opposite field, 5 oppo home runs already vs. 0 last year.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jun 6, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

how many of those oppos were in cincy?

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 6, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's also pretty slow these days

that said, nearly 2 WAR already. He’s on course for ANOTHER 5+ WAR season, and his UZR has been abberrantly low (don’t expect that to continue). Actually, I’m kinda routing for him – a good year this year, and another one next year, and I think that might just put him over the edge for the HOF, which I’d like to see, especially if he goes in in a Cards cap (which I think he would, given he’s popular here and Philly hates him).

Now the Brewers are fucked I’d love to see Edmonds go on a tear too.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jun 7, 2010 8:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

i definitely want to see him get in

would be quite a comeback – he was a lock before the injuries.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 7, 2010 8:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Anybody else heard Five Finger Death Punch's cover of Bad Company's "Bad Company"?

I like.

Note: Above comment may contain gratuitous amounts of sarcasm.

BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS

Hey Houston,
Suck it; you suck

by vexedtechie on Jun 6, 2010 4:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Pearl Jam recently covered Van Halen's "Ain't Talkin' Bout Love" in Hartford

haven’t heard it yet, but will definitely download that show soon.

I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!

by First mammal to wear pants on Jun 6, 2010 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mike Stanton was called up today

Will join team on Tuesday

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jun 6, 2010 4:46 PM EDT reply actions  

yeah, he almost lost the streak in the first

after a tulo error and a hit put runners on first and third with one out.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 6, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tulo made it up to him on that one

Time is the best teacher; Unfortunately it kills all its students

by TomCat009 on Jun 6, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

He is a beast!

You fit into me
like a hook into an eye

a fish hook
an open eye

by Red Blazer on Jun 6, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

It appears that after Pujols home planet blew up there was another

male child who escaped destruction and turned up on earth.

You fit into me
like a hook into an eye

a fish hook
an open eye

by Red Blazer on Jun 6, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Awesome

What will happen when they face each other?

by boilertiger on Jun 6, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

35 pitch AB?

Time is the best teacher; Unfortunately it kills all its students

by TomCat009 on Jun 6, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

longest*

babip giveth... and babip taketh away

by purple_haze on Jun 6, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

good question

don’t know how far back that data would go. must be a 20 pitch ab somewhere though.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 6, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I remember Ankiel of all people having a 17 pitch at bat a couple years ago.

lboros wrote a nice post about it. I gather from what he says in that post that you could probably get the answer at Baseball Reference (at least as far back as their data go).

by BTown Birds fan on Jun 6, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

Here’s a screenshot of that PA in gameday (that was old school gameday, before it had the strike zone box):

No idea how he hit some of those… and he started the PA 0-2.

Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers

by SleepyCA on Jun 6, 2010 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ankiel WALKED!?!?!?!?

START THE PRESSES!

In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Jun 6, 2010 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm sure it'll be longer than 20

I’m betting it’ll be nearer 40.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jun 7, 2010 8:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

40?

how far back you think they go?

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 7, 2010 8:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Can Jiminezs new nickname be Nintendo ?

You fit into me
like a hook into an eye

a fish hook
an open eye

by Red Blazer on Jun 6, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tracy calls him the Chief

but that one is kind of taken

Time is the best teacher; Unfortunately it kills all its students

by TomCat009 on Jun 6, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like Nintendo.....

But apparently he is broken as often happens to mine.

He gave up 2 runs? unreal.

You fit into me
like a hook into an eye

a fish hook
an open eye

by Red Blazer on Jun 6, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah that AZ lineup has a lot of power in it

still that raises him to a .93 ERA

Time is the best teacher; Unfortunately it kills all its students

by TomCat009 on Jun 6, 2010 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

DFA!

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jun 7, 2010 8:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hey guys, sorta OT baseball question but it does pertain but not really but kinda does in some ways.

How useful is an Econ degree in baseball? Just curious as to my options, as I am pursuing a Master’s (possibly a Dr., but unlikely).

Any input is appreciated.

In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Jun 6, 2010 5:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Hmmm, never considered that.

What makes you say that out of curiousity?

In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Jun 6, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know a couple of internet writers who have been hired by teams with degrees in statistics

And some of the applications I’ve seen online ask for that. Programming skills (even if they aren’t that extensive) will help a lot as well.

by vivaelpujols on Jun 6, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting

Not sure if I am interested in writing as much though, but it’s an option :). Thanks again.

In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Jun 6, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

It depends on what you want to do

I’ve met more or less everybody at the office, and I would say only 5 of them deal specifically with baseball statistics

The other people in Baseball Operations do scouting, whether by video or whatever, and if they need stats, just use baseballreference or Fangraphs

Everybody else is what you would see at a normal business: Marketing, Communications, Purchasing, Accounting, etc.

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jun 6, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, I think you and I would have different goals

I’m looking for a job as an analyst/advanced scout, what are you doing this summer?

by vivaelpujols on Jun 6, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm an intern in the Purchasing department, so a lot of Excel stuff

But this definitely isn’t what I want to do. I got picked to be an intern in this department, and I sure as hell wasn’t going to say no to baseball team who wanted to hire me

Ultimately, the end-goal is to be a GM. I don’t think I have to have a particularly strong background in statistics, I just need to prove that i’m capable of making difficult decisions on the fly. I’m trying to network as much as I can.. I’ve met Jack Zduriencik already, and I’m planning on asking him to lunch whenever that situation comes up next. So, we’ll see where this goes

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jun 6, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, but I thought I saw someone resembling Dave Cameron masturbating furiously in the corner

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jun 6, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Oh yeah, they know

I’m thinking about wearing my Cards jersey when we play the Mariners in a few weeks

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jun 6, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

HaHA!

brilliant

babip giveth... and babip taketh away

by purple_haze on Jun 6, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Umm clear that with you boss first

Time is the best teacher; Unfortunately it kills all its students

by TomCat009 on Jun 6, 2010 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

you should be seen wearing a griffey jersey first

just to be on the safe side.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 6, 2010 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you get fired

you will know the reason :D

In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Jun 6, 2010 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I went to Wrigleyville at 2:30 in the morning Friday night

wearing my Pujols jersey.

No fear, Mysterui, no fear.

babip giveth... and babip taketh away

by purple_haze on Jun 6, 2010 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

by that time in the morning, they're all half-cocked on shitty, overpriced beer

that they probably can’t even read

I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!

by First mammal to wear pants on Jun 6, 2010 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well played, hahahaha.

In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Jun 6, 2010 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hope it goes well for you.

I’ve heard from several people that if you can’t network well, you won’t get anywhere in the sports business.

Thanks for the insights.

In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Jun 6, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

What do (or did) you do with the Mariners?

In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Jun 6, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

See above

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jun 6, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm currently a junior majoring in Econ, and I've working for the Seattle Mariners this summer

Sooooo for me, it was very helpful

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jun 6, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

just found out

i don’t need to pay a deposit to sign up with sprint

must fight temptation to go get evo 4g

hey spants! how you like?

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jun 6, 2010 5:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Don't do it! Stay strong! Who else am I going to discuss sweet Sleep Cycle apps with?!

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jun 6, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'm gonna give apple a chance

we’ll see what they announce tomorrow

i know the new iphone will have a higher resolution than anything else. i also know it won’t have 4g coverage

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jun 6, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Check this out

Link

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jun 6, 2010 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOVE

Regression, bitches.

by spants on Jun 6, 2010 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

4G isn't in St. Louis yet, but I've found the 3G speeds to be pretty damn fast.

I got the body glove case for it – it’s really thin but just thick enough to keep the phone from resting on the camera.

Overall, the phone is fast, slick, and I’m really liking Android’s OS. Buh-bye BlackBerry.

Regression, bitches.

by spants on Jun 6, 2010 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bettery life?

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jun 6, 2010 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not the best.

I’m going to get a 1750 mAh battery soon and use the stock battery as a backup.

Also, I’ve read that power cycling the battery does a good job of adding life to the battery. I haven’t power cycled yet.

Regression, bitches.

by spants on Jun 6, 2010 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I should point out that my old BlackBerry Curve had much better battery life than my new one.

Same batteries, same screen, same settings, same usage. I used that phone quite a bit, and I’ve used the EVO quite a bit since I got it. It’s held up OK, but not great.

Regression, bitches.

by spants on Jun 6, 2010 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

The discussion I've seen in the Android forums don't have a lot of good things to say about those.

Especially the sub-$100 ones. How shitty is that hardware, you know? Plus, some of those devices are running a very outdated form of Android. Buyer beware.

Regression, bitches.

by spants on Jun 6, 2010 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have seen

This model on ebay for sub $100

It is running Android 1.6 and not 2.2 yet. It only has 128mb memory and horrible battery life currently. Waiting for one with at least 256mb memory and 2.2

by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 6, 2010 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

did you see the demo of one on engadget today?

that touch screen looks nasty, the one on my razr 2 is more responsive.

by DanUpBaby on Jun 6, 2010 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I do not

It currently sucks. A better one will be out in the future that sucks less but still cheap.

by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 6, 2010 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you find a good one, I'd be more than happy to hear about it.

Because I am not spending $500 on a tablet.

Regression, bitches.

by spants on Jun 6, 2010 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

it seems like netbooks would be a good deal on the used market

having never actually shopped for one. A relatively large number of unsatisfied customers, a relatively small spec bump from generation to generation.

by DanUpBaby on Jun 6, 2010 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

momup went netbook shopping last christmas

I comparison shopped for a while, but they all had the exact same specs. have things finally fragmented a little?

by DanUpBaby on Jun 6, 2010 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah they were like 500 Mhz with 128MB ram when they first came out

Essentially they were that Tablet I posted above but with a keyboard. Now they have Intel Atom 1.6Ghz CPU’s with like 2GB of Ram. Pretty solid with around 4 hour battery life. For something like this would go for $250

by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 6, 2010 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

is the media player

as good as your ipod touch?

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jun 6, 2010 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's one of my favorite things about my iphone

it’s so intuitive and the cover flow is great. i also use it as a media player a LOT

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jun 6, 2010 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I actually haven't loaded any music onto it yet.

Do you want me to try and get back to you?

Regression, bitches.

by spants on Jun 6, 2010 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just checked and it came pre-loaded with some shitty music.

I like the media player. Lots of options and pretty intuitive. If it’s not as good as the iPhone/iPod Touch, it’s not far off.

Regression, bitches.

by spants on Jun 6, 2010 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's good to hear

i didn’t expect it to be as good as the iphone, but that’s pretty much apple’s thing

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jun 6, 2010 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

sure

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jun 6, 2010 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

OT: Watching Texas A&M vs Miami.

Miami CF’s knee locked up while diving for a fly ball at the warning track. That looked like it hurt…a bunch.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 6, 2010 5:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Now the A&M centerfielder just ate the wall.

Who knew college baseball was so rough?

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 6, 2010 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

His observations are right up there with Millar's.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 6, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Millar does analysis?

I thought he just went on about his career for 99% of the telecast.

In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Jun 6, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just said observations.

I don’t think “analysis” had anything to with it.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 6, 2010 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Was using analysis in as loose a way as possible. ;)

In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Jun 6, 2010 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know you were.

As was my comment, in that there was absolutely no analysis to his observations. We were agreeing in totally different terms.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 6, 2010 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm still trying to decide who's worse?

Millar or McCarver

I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!

by First mammal to wear pants on Jun 6, 2010 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

mccarver has had many more years to improve

that was millar’s debut

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 6, 2010 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

So Millar could just develope into repetitiously bad?

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 6, 2010 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

probably

but i’d have to give it to mccarver for now – he’s a proven failure.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 7, 2010 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just a Cracker-Jack analysis.

In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Jun 6, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well when that happens Watch Out!

Time is the best teacher; Unfortunately it kills all its students

by TomCat009 on Jun 6, 2010 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

...

This guy

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jun 6, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's cold

Time is the best teacher; Unfortunately it kills all its students

by TomCat009 on Jun 6, 2010 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ooof.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 6, 2010 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

sad Curt Schilling is sad

babip giveth... and babip taketh away

by purple_haze on Jun 6, 2010 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Staying away from today's gamethread.

People will be rooting against Miles and ripping him every chance they get. If he goes 0-4 everyone will be pissed. They’ll be equally as pissed if he goes 2-4 because they actually think that will pencil him in as a starter.

See signature.

Gamethreads suck.

by stltrav09 on Jun 6, 2010 6:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Maybe it's just because I'm at work on a Sunday

but people bitching about gamethreads irritates me as much as people bitching about LBoros not writing Frontpage any more. If you don’t like it, fine, but the only point of a comment like this is to troll. I wish everyone liked the gamethreads — personally, I think they’re 90% great — but that’s not the case.

Think; It's not illegal yet.

by azruavatar on Jun 6, 2010 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

And stltrav09 it isn't just you

I’ve come to the realization that not everyone is going to be happy with all aspects of VEB. There’s simply nothing to be done about that. I just don’t understand why people want to bait posters that they acknowledge as angry at a situation.

Maybe a more constructive way would be to argue why Miles starting is ok. If you can’t do that, then maybe people are justified in their frustration with the situation.

Think; It's not illegal yet.

by azruavatar on Jun 6, 2010 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

otoh, being frustrated with the situation

and hoping he injures himself, are very different. Some of the stuff said in the past few days has been way over the line.

Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers

by SleepyCA on Jun 6, 2010 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

Think; It's not illegal yet.

by azruavatar on Jun 6, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Double agreed.

babip giveth... and babip taketh away

by purple_haze on Jun 6, 2010 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not baiting anyone.

It’s been made pretty clear that Miles is hated around here. I’m not going to change anyone’s mind on that. I just think it’s a pretty pathetic sight, that’s all. I’m not even looking for an argument. I just want to make it clear that at least one person here is pulling for Miles to do well. I think it makes more sense for him to be on the bench and for T Greene to be playing everyday in AAA.

I think it was AWESOME that he got a standing ovation the other night. I hate gamethreads, I hate that lboros doesn’t write more, but more than anything else I hate working sundays. Hang in there azru and I hope you’re off by 7 CDT. Cheers

Gamethreads suck.

by stltrav09 on Jun 6, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm probably higher on Tyler Greene than most

but I think he should get the call up to get a week’s worth of consistent play. He could fight his way onto the team.

babip giveth... and babip taketh away

by purple_haze on Jun 6, 2010 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think the hatred has been towards Miles especially

(at least, in most cases, and where it has, it’s been unreasonable). The annoyance and incredulity has been directed towards TLR and Mozeliak for bringing back a ball player who was considered washed-up by 29 major league baseball teams, who was mediocre even when he was at his peak, and who is clearly, objective worse at his job than a large number of other players who’ve been on our books in the last year, and who are in the system right now.

Most people, I think (me included) have a very negative gut reaction to clear cases of nepotism, cronyism, favoritism, call it what you will, which this is a VERY clear case of.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jun 7, 2010 8:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

d'backs announcers loving ubaldo - "it's like facing an elite closer every single inning"

scully talking about dodgers reliever named miller being cherokee indian, and how the family changed the name to fit in: “you kidding me? you’re american indian – it’s the rest of us gotta fit in.”

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 6, 2010 6:09 PM EDT reply actions  

kelly johnson just missed an oppo dinger off ubaldo to lead off 8th - off wall for double

scoreless string on the line here.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 6, 2010 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

and there it is

2-run dinger by connor jackson

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 6, 2010 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's getting Prior'ed

7 starts of >115 pitches.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jun 6, 2010 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, rode him a little long maybe

taking him out now after 118. that’s the third time this year he’s given up 2 runs in a game – slacker.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 6, 2010 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Scully wins that one

babip giveth... and babip taketh away

by purple_haze on Jun 6, 2010 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Aaron Miles is starting today.

FFS, Freese out unti Friday.

I want the Walrus back...

by Paulspike on Jun 6, 2010 6:13 PM EDT reply actions  

friday?

pretty good sprain.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 6, 2010 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Crap!

I was hoping it would be Lopez, Boog, and Schu today w/ Freese out. Now I have to go watch Miles for a full game as if the last few innings yesterday weren’t bad enough!

Oh well, I am excited about getting to see Garcia after watching Waino mow em down Friday night. Here’s hoping for a sweep.

by ArkansasTravs on Jun 6, 2010 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

When it comes down to it...

After bashing the little guy I appreciate his effort. He comes up with a hit or a play once in awhile i just wish Tony wouldn’t start him.

You fit into me
like a hook into an eye

a fish hook
an open eye

by Red Blazer on Jun 6, 2010 6:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Some funny quotes from Bernie

and the newest moves in the Cards bench.

A grade-school bench is now an old-school bench. Is it time to bring back Chris Duncan? How are Preston Wilson’s knees?

Hey, and if Winn and Miles can’t cut it, La Russa can always activate one of his personal favorites — infielder Red Schoendienst, age 87.

I want the Walrus back...

by Paulspike on Jun 6, 2010 6:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Doh! he went there...

You fit into me
like a hook into an eye

a fish hook
an open eye

by Red Blazer on Jun 6, 2010 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Okay so

Aaron Miles or Yuniesky Betancourt?

babip giveth... and babip taketh away

by purple_haze on Jun 6, 2010 6:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Yuni

He’s actually playing well this year, and has gotten into better shape.

by vivaelpujols on Jun 6, 2010 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yuni

he’s > miles.

Albert's grand slam, 7/3/09
@zoomzoomj88
Boog's stache is back!
Aaron Miles, Tony? Really?

by zoomzoomj88 on Jun 6, 2010 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gimme Miles.

Betancourt’s contract is terrible and awful, or as Shaq would say, terriawful.

In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Jun 6, 2010 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

wtf?
I think most people would acknowledge that Rolen can flash leather. I doubt too many would think he is as good as Adrian Beltre.

http://www.fangraphs.com/community/index.php/is-scott-rolen-a-hall-of-famer/

Does anyone else think this?

by vivaelpujols on Jun 6, 2010 6:48 PM EDT reply actions  

in his prime,

scott was the best. dunno if he’s as good as beltre today

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jun 6, 2010 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Adrian Beltre is ::really:: good.

i’m not sure i agree with the tone of that statement, but Beltre has probably the best infield arm i’ve ever seen. Rolen’s glove was definitely better, in his prime, but Beltre’s is damn good too.

"The outfield is deep and playing him straight-away, and the infield is the same, except first, second, third, and short are playing him to pull."
-Mike Shannon

by tehzachatak on Jun 6, 2010 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

beltre's arm is better than rolen's?

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 6, 2010 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rolen has a fricking cannon

I’ve not seen that much of Beltre, and I agree he might be a bit more limber today, but I don’t think I’ve seen an arm on ANYONE as good as Rolen’s in his prime, with the possible exception of Ank.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jun 7, 2010 8:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

No kidding

I’m pretty sure the debate in his prime was “Rolen or Brooks Robinson?”

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jun 6, 2010 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think it's rolen

but i understand it’s at least debatable. that person is definitely wrong in saying not many people would think he’s as good as beltre – i think in a poll rolen would likely come out ahead.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 6, 2010 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

11-1 on June 8th

36.6% of the way there, with only 35.2% of the season completed ;)

Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers

by SleepyCA on Jun 6, 2010 6:56 PM EDT reply actions  

ubaldo?

broxton just blew one by heyward – was ball 4.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 6, 2010 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

broxton got that call against helton

Time is the best teacher; Unfortunately it kills all its students

by TomCat009 on Jun 6, 2010 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

damn

it was pretty high

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 7, 2010 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm predicting...

he’ll finish 18-12 with a 3.44 era.

Tis better to lose bunting than win with dingers alone...

by guayzimi on Jun 6, 2010 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bit pessimistic

Decent team, excellent pitcher. It’s reasonable to expect him to regress, but just because he’s been lucky up to now doesn’t mean he’ll be unlucky ever after. Chances are he’ll have maybe a 3.0 – 3.5 era the rest of the way, which means he’ll still end up around 2. I doubt he’d lose that many games either

blarg

by chalk on Jun 6, 2010 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just kidding...

sort of. He can be wild, and the manager leaves him in too long.

Tis better to lose bunting than win with dingers alone...

by guayzimi on Jun 6, 2010 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

biggest issue is the bullpen

their bullpen is terrible, and it only takes one or two blown games to make the 30-win season unattainable.

The team is 18-26, or ~.409 winning pct, when ubaldo isn’t pitching. ugh.

Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers

by SleepyCA on Jun 6, 2010 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

lot of injuries though

including huston street, but have lost key guys for a lot of games. when fully assembled, it’s a very good team.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 6, 2010 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Even if Helton is washed up?

I’m not seeing a great team here…

Tis better to lose bunting than win with dingers alone...

by guayzimi on Jun 6, 2010 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think they are a playoff team

they always start a little slower, it seems – maybe because holliday, tulo, others are notorious slow starters. compound that with all the injuries this year.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 6, 2010 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

21 wins I reckon

I think one of Halladay or Waino will make 20 as well.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jun 7, 2010 8:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

more money?

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 6, 2010 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

ah, ok

think his first preference would be the cards though.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 6, 2010 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Home

Think; It's not illegal yet.

by azruavatar on Jun 6, 2010 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

too bad

was really hoping he’d get a call-up, for fun if nothing else. that article says he might be 4 years younger than he is listed – i somehow doubt that.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 6, 2010 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

they are actually very similar players

low BB%, pretty high K%, decent average in the minors, bit of power.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jun 7, 2010 8:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

It was a victimless crime until now.

babip giveth... and babip taketh away

by purple_haze on Jun 6, 2010 7:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   2 recs

rec

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 6, 2010 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

who is barrett loux?

law saying the d’backs could take him with the 6th pick.

also from mlbtr, nats will pick harper – no surprise – and he will be moved to outfield, which i think boras has been pushing for.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 6, 2010 7:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Seems a tad rash...

to decide that now… Mauer would be 1/3 to a 1/4 less valuable playing the outfield. I believe that’s about right…

Tis better to lose bunting than win with dingers alone...

by guayzimi on Jun 6, 2010 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hard to say

They are figuring he could get to the big leagues at least a year earlier and then wouldn’t have the wear and tear of catching. Mauer had some injury problems he otherwise wouldn’t have really had if he was in the OF.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jun 6, 2010 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

depends how good he is and where he plays

catcher to LF/RF is 20 runs, catcher to CF is 10 runs, per fangraphs WAR adjustments.

Only reason you’d ever want to do it is if he is just an awful catcher or if you didn’t think his knees would hold out, but I’d still try him at 3B first.

Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers

by SleepyCA on Jun 6, 2010 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think rf is the plan

also mauer was probably considered a much better catcher than harper at this stage.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 6, 2010 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

also, they have a third baseman who's pretty good

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 6, 2010 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sportscience did the sliding vs. running through the base

A perfect dive is still .01 seconds slower (3 inches) and if you dive too soon you really slow down.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jun 6, 2010 7:42 PM EDT reply actions  

It's one of those things...

that shouldn’t take a study… It’s self-evident.

Tis better to lose bunting than win with dingers alone...

by guayzimi on Jun 6, 2010 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Like the fact that all men are created equal?

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jun 6, 2010 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

no man is equal to aaron miles.

Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers

by SleepyCA on Jun 6, 2010 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

all men are better?

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 6, 2010 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

im at the airport and just caught the bottom of the third

How in the fuck are aaron miles, boog, flopex, and skippy all starting in the same game?!

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jun 6, 2010 9:02 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Excited

I live near Springfield, Missouri and have season tickets to the Cardinals games there, so I always like to see new guys and some old guys in St. Louis, like Freese and Rasmas

by DMan83 on Jun 6, 2010 9:49 PM EDT reply actions  

welcome to VEB!

Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers

by SleepyCA on Jun 6, 2010 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

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