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Cardinals Pre-Draft Minor League Update

We're three days from having a new set of players to worry and wonder about; if you can't get enough Future Redbirds, this is good news. But as those same prospect hawks discuss here, the Cardinals have started faberge egg season a few days early: Carlos Matias, a young (apparently!) right-handed flamethrower whose four-seamer has been described as "one of the best fastballs at any level of baseball"—I originally typed that quote without realizing I'd accidentally engaged caps-lock, and it was almost fitting—has signed, or at least attempted to sign, a $1.5 million deal with the Cardinals. 

Baseball America writer Ben Badier describes the issues like so:

The Cardinals have Matias under contract and under reserve, but he still has to clear a few hurdles before his bonus will be paid. Matias had previously agreed to a $160,000 deal with the Red Sox but he did not pass his investigation with Major League Baseball, which suspended him for one year in March 2009. Matias still has to have his age and identity cleared by MLB and receive his visa from the U.S. consulate for the deal to be completed and to receive his bonus.

Matias has presented himself to teams as an 18-year-old with a Sept. 2, 1991 date of birth. 

Apparently he was 16 last year, but you know what they say about pitchers' weird aging patterns. Meanwhile, according to Goold, the "club's understanding is that Matias is 19 years old." While he's sent away to get his eyes examined the team should take a look through his family Bible. 

So don't get too attached—to the name on his passport and his alleged birthday, at least—but the scouting reports are making it hard to avoid irrational exuberance. (He's even played with the Dominican Summer League Cardinals already—six strikeouts in three innings!) The Cardinals going with a low-upside college guy in the first round of next week's draft will be much easier to stomach if it comes on the heels of a successful contract with a major Dominican talent. 

Right now, with Matias showing a high-90s fastball to multiple scouts, I have no idea why he would lie about his age, which is not to say he isn't still doing it. Young pitchers aren't like young hitters; teams are terrified of the way they might develop, not excited about it, and once Matias flashes the golden fastball it's to his benefit to be older than 18. He'll get to the Major Leagues faster, he'll be on a less-restrictive pitching regimen, and he's likely to get paid more from teams leery of their teenagers losing velocity a la Madison Bumgarner or Deolis Guerra.

It's to a hitter's benefit to be as young as he possibly can be relative to a given league; as Richard Castillo has proven in the Cardinals system, it's not nearly as useful for pitchers. If Matias insists on continuing to forge his documents he should consider trying to remain 23 for two or three years in a row; that seems like the young-pitcher sweet spot. 

After the jump, a progress report on the Cardinals' draft classes to date. 

Star-divide

2004: Prospect mavens take heart: We may never get rid of the ghost of Chris Lambert—he is under some kind of spectral contract with SB Nation—but the 2004 draft has almost entirely vanished from the Cardinals' minor league system. Lambert, the first rounder, made six appearances last year between Detroit and Baltimore; after the season the Orioles outrighted him to AAA, and while he appeared to be a lock to join the Norfolk Tides's rotation he retired to pursue a degree in Economics

Mike Parisi (ninth round) opted to stay with the Cubs after being selected in the Rule 5 draft and failing to make their 25-man roster; he's currently in AA, pitching his way back for the former Cardinals-affiliated Tennessee Smokies. Mark Worrell (12th) has begun rehabbing with the Padres' AAA squad following his 2009 elbow surgery and has 25 strikeouts in 25 innings pitched. And Jarrett Hoffpauir (sixth), perhaps the most popular 2004 pick of all, is killing the ball for the Blue Jays' AAA squad: he's got a .321/.385/.536 line with 19 walks against 11 strikeouts. The Cardinals were so sure that they had no need for a short, scrappy, defensively challenged backup infielder that they let him go on waivers last November. 

And that's it: those first four guys, who collectively might have five months of Major League service time, are the only members of the Cardinals' 2004 draft to make Major League rosters. This draft looked bad in 2004 and looks even worse now; if the Cardinals are looking for a blueprint to not follow it's this attempt to combine high thriftiness with low risk. 

Finally we come to Matthew Scherer (16th), a right-handed reliever who spent some time on the Cardinals' 40-man roster before being removed last year. He's still plugging away in Memphis, having been solid and uninspiring at every level in the system thus far; he combines good control with not enough strikeouts to impress anybody as a reliever. He's got a lot of bodies in front of him for his cup of coffee, but as the last man standing in a cursed draft whose second rounder retired in 2007, whose tenth rounder is a budding CCM star, he's already accomplished something. Congratulations, Matthew Scherer: this 2004 draft post-mortem is for you. 

2005: Once upon a time this draft was front-loaded with outstanding young arms—there was Mark McCormick's 100 mph fastball, Tyler Herron's excellent prep command, Nick Webber's sinker, Josh Wilson's... I'm not altogether sure what his thing was, but he was a Texas high school type, so fill in the blank. McCormick never stayed healthy; Herron was dumped (by the Cardinals and then the Pirates) for some shady non-baseball reasons; Webber's sinker got hit 331 times in 321 innings; and Wilson needed shoulder surgery almost immediately, retired in 2008, returned in 2009, and then retired again. And that's what happened to the Cardinals' last four first and second round picks. 

Colby Rasmus makes this draft a clear win for the Cardinals, but even after the silence of the arms this draft has additional depth to offer. Tyler Greene, the second of the Cardinals' four first rounders, has emerged from bustdom to put up some interesting seasons at Memphis; were it not for Brendan Ryan he'd have competed for the starting job two years running. Daryl Jones (third) looked like a bust, ran up the prospect lists, and is struggling now to stay on them; Bryan Anderson started high, fell off, but finally made his Major League debut this year; both look like they could be, at least, useful bench players. 

Mitchell Boggs (fifth) made the jump from hittable starter to fire-breathing reliever in the major leagues; Nick Stavinoha (seventh)... well, he's also in the major leagues. But the real prize of the back of the draft is Jaime Garcia, the 22nd rounder. (Trivia question: the only other player from that round to make the major leagues is Tommy Hanson, chosen by the Braves three spots ahead of Garcia.) 

Other players still remain in the Cardinals' system. Among them, Blake King's (44th) command is finally improving; he's struck out 33 against 17 walks in 27 AA Springfield innings. Without counting the two future MLB players the team drafted but didn't sign—Daniel McCutchen (12th) and Ryan Rohlinger (21st)—the 2005 draft has graduated six players, all of whom have a chance to carve out significant roles in the big leagues. Considering the failure of their pitching reinforcements, that's an impressive achievement. 

2006: Of course, with Adam Ottavino's debut in the books the 2006 draft has already graduated seven: Ottavino, Chris Perez (first), Jon Jay (second), Shane Robinson (fifth), Allen Craig (eighth), P.J. Walters (11th), and Luke Gregerson (28th.) (Lance Zawadzki, an infielder who debuted with the Padres last month, was drafted in the 15th round but didn't sign.) 

Ottavino's high-minors nightmares seem to be moderating, finally, but he's still been disappointing to this point; Perez and Gregerson are gone for veteran reinforcement. But this draft seems to have been designed (successfully) to fill the Cardinals' bench and bullpen. In addition to Perez, Gregerson, Walters, Jay, and Craig, this draft brought the Cardinals sleeper reliever/Thriller dancer Casey Mulligan (22nd), who's got 40 strikeouts in 25 minor league innings this season; poor man's Allen Craig Mark Hamilton (second), who could not have appreciate being drafted by Albert Pujols's team; and Tyler Norrick, a wild but strikeout-happy LOOGY currently in Memphis. 

It's also generated weird internet-watcher circus prospects at an astounding rate—this one draft produced, take a deep breath here, thirtysomething musclebound god-king Amaury Cazana (I'll never forget his listing on the MLB.com draft board, which read, simply, perfectly, NO SCHOOL); colossal high school tools goof Jon Edwards; over-the-over-the-top arm angled starter Eddie Degerman; two catchers who became relief pitchers (Mulligan and David Carpenter); and wild groundballer Gary Daley, still of Springfield, whose 2008 might be the worst season ever.

It's also the draft that brought us the eminently frustrating Tommy Pham, whose four tools are the ones that don't mean anything if you can't hit .200. Following his huge Spring Training, during which he dominated the Vuch report, he's hit .244/.362/.372 in Palm Beach, which is an improvement; I'll be interested to see what he does in a hitter's league. 

2007: Rick Porcello's spotty 2010 makes this one easier to stomach, so far. The two graduates, Clay Mortenson and Jess Todd, have begun 2010 back with their new AAA clubs; Mortenson is 6-2 with a 4.50 ERA in Sacramento, and Todd has 27 strikeouts in 24 innings for Columbus. 

Meanwhile, Pete Kozma finally appears to have recovered from being thrown into AA a year too early; after a terrible April he's brought his season averages up to .269/.332/.441, matching last season's six home runs in 250 fewer at-bats. The problem people saw with this pick from the beginning still exists: he's far away, and the upside seems low. But after his lost 2009 any return on this investment is exciting. 

Daniel Descalso, their third rounder, a level ahead of Kozma, is looking like a possible future second baseman. His huge half-season in Springfield—in 2009 he hit .321/.396/.531 there, while his 2010 AAA season-to-date line is .274/.349/.413—is probably the outlier in his spotty career, but if he can climb back toward it while playing adequate defense he could be a league-minimum version of Skip Schumaker by 2011. 

Speaking of versions of Skip Schumaker, left-handed outfield tweener and internet favorite Tyler Henley (eighth) was off to a rough start in Memphis when he was placed on the DL with an elbow injury. Backup outfielders have to just get hot at the right time; he's behind Jon Jay on the depth chart right now, but another few months of his .300 with power routine could get him on a roster for good or nowhere, depending on what's going on with the Cardinals when he does it. 

Like the 2006 draft, this one seems light on upside but has a chance to deliver some average-ish players on the cheap, always useful in a post-Holliday payroll world. Adam Reifer (11th), the flamethrower who had an awkward 2009 in Palm Beach, looks exciting again—he's got 24 strikeouts against five walks in 21 innings at hitter-friendly Springfield. David Kopp, an injury-prone starter and the Cardinals' second round pick, has made 10 starts without incident there, which is also good to see. They're joined by Adron Chambers (38th), who climbed onto the back of prospect lists by hitting 16 triples in Palm Beach last year; he's having a similar 2010, hitting .268/.362/.390 with four of them, but he seems strangely unable to turn his speed into stolen bases. 

2008: Out come the other two prospects offered up to the 2009 season. Brett Wallace, the man who would be Matt Holliday, is hitting .276/.342/.505, which is honestly a little disappointing in the PCL in Las Vegas; for all his vaunted plate discipline he has 16 walks against 55 strikeouts in 214 at-bats. Shane Peterson (second), with the Athletics' AA affiliate, is off to a slower start; he's hitting .244/.333/.314. 

What's left at the top of the draft is Lance Lynn, one of the starters left on the Cardinals' depleted depth chart. He adjusted poorly to Memphis at first, walking 17 in his first five starts, but since then he's struck out 34 against 13 walks. He seems to be right on schedule in his pre-ordained trip to the fourth or fifth spot in some future Cardinals rotation; he's one of the most successful subjects in the Cardinals' long-standing, maligned experiment with "polished" college starters. Scott Gorgen (4th), an undersized changeup artist, was doing well himself, carrying a 1.17 ERA through eight starts in Springfield until he went down with an elbow strain; there's no timetable for his return, but his stock had gone way up until he hit the DL. 

It's still a little early for the sleepers to come out in force in this draft. Aaron Luna has moved off second base, seemingly permanently, but continues to do his low-average slugger thing in Springfield's outfield; Charles Cutler (14th), basically a version of Bryan Anderson we haven't tired of yet, has gotten off to a bad start in a platoon with Steven Hill. Niko Vasquez, 2008 Future Redbirds champion, still isn't hitting for average, but after his brutal 2009 (a .562 OPS across two low-A stops) his second experience with full-season ball at the Quad Cities has left some room for optimism. He's hitting .247/.427/.461 with 47 strikeouts and 47 walks. I've always longed for a version of Jack Cust that plays shortstop; maybe this is my chance.

That brings us, finally, to the present. On Monday I'll take a look at the 2009 draftees, just in time for us to talk about the 2010 picks. 

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Chris Lambert will one day run the economy!


Gah!

"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."

by BVHeck on Jun 4, 2010 7:42 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I still like Curt Smith

But did he get hurt? I see he has only 70 PA. Another man with no position, he’s undersized and somewhat slow by scouting report right? But he keeps hitting when healthy.

by paposse on Jun 4, 2010 8:08 AM EDT reply actions  

i like him too

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 5, 2010 2:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

preference

I would much prefer Jarrett Hoffpauir’s scrappiness to a certainly other scrappy middle infielder’s scrappiness.

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by jroman on Jun 4, 2010 8:43 AM EDT reply actions  

Amen

"That Wainwright guy is really good, isn't he?" - my 9-year-old daughter.

by Futility Infielder on Jun 4, 2010 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Switch-hitting, I believe, is an automatic scrappiness trump card.

At least, to some people.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jun 4, 2010 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Aaron Miles

The bat of Cesar Izturis (from both sides!) and the glove of Skip Schumaker

by jd is legend on Jun 4, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

The Hoff!

I was told his defense was nothing to write home about. true/false?

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 4, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

true

but he’s hit, hit, hit at AAA for nigh on two years now. Hard to see him being anything less than an average MLB 2nd baseman, offensively, even if his glove is poor, which is probably better than a few starters here and there around the league (moving to a team that features Aaron Hill was probably not smart, though).

Players we had in the spring who can play second base and are better than Aaron Miles at it:
1) Skip Schumaker
2) Daniel Descalso
3) Tyler Greene
4) Jarrett Hoffpauir
5) Felipe Lopez
6) Julio Lugo
7) Brendan Ryan
maybe even
8) Donovan Solano

Mother of fuck.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jun 4, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

sod it

Kozma, Vazquez, Aaron pissing Luna, the groundstaff dog in Davenport, Pop Warner. They’re all better second basemen than Aaron F’ing Miles.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jun 4, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh, Brian Barden too

’spose he counts, as a hangover from 2009. If we had picked up Miles in the spring he might literally have been the tenth best second baseman in the system.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jun 4, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh yeah

I’d say thurston is clearly better than miles. He put up a replacement level season last year (which Miles didn’t come close to) playing out of position somewhere he clearly struggled with (3B). I think he might’ve been a sniff above replacement at 2B.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jun 4, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

by that accord,

gotta include thurston

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jun 4, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

gotay

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jun 4, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

ah, I knew I'd forgotten someone obvious.

So, the 9 I listed, Thurston, Gotay, are we gonna say Aaron Luna (given he only moved off 2B last year and is probably a better hitter than Miles, albeit likely a godawful 2B)? I could buy that argument. I’m really not sure about Kozma, he put a Milesian line up in a hitter’s league in AA.

So, looks like Miles is unlucky 13th best second baseman in the system, had we not given away all the guys we dumped from the spring onwards????

Yeuch.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jun 4, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

FWIW I think you could seriously argue against Luna and Solano

but other than that I’d say the other ELEVEN guys are pretty much unarguably better baseball players than Aaron Miles.

And Soonerfan will tell us that LaRussa doesn’t play/lobby for favourites…

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jun 4, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

And I made the mistake of arguing this point with the Tony posse over on Cards Talk. I’m locking the doors tonight just in case they come to burn me at the stake after the sun goes down.

by jjray on Jun 4, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would imagine he'd be alot lower than that, if you consider people who aren't 2B in the system

You could probably move, say, Matt Holliday to 2B and he’d be better than Aaron Miles. Brett Wallace would likely be better at 2B than Aaron Miles. Just, shit.

by jd is legend on Jun 4, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

craig

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 4, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gotay is .277/.410/.410 at Memphis right now

Amazing that that’s not good enough to get him on the team before Aaron Frickin’ Miles.

by mojowo11 on Jun 4, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

gotay is kind of odd

he can’t really hit righty at all, yet he walks a heck of a lot more from that side, which really drives his bb%

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 4, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha

well, if he’s a pull hitter from one side and an oppo field hitter from the other, could make a damn good guess which eye is dominant, but in this case i think it’s more likely a matter of he’s one of the rarer natural lefty hitters who decided it’d help his cause to bat righty too.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 4, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

So let me get this straight.

1. The Red Sox discovered Matias, possibly before anyone else and possibly before his fastball made people drool.
2. They signed him to a $160k contract but that fell apart
3. Then Bob Gibson had a phone conversation with the kid or something
4. Either everyone else discovered the kid, or his fastball suddenly became droolworthy
5. Now he’s worth a $1.5m contract.

Is that about it?

by sdrone on Jun 4, 2010 8:45 AM EDT reply actions  

My understanding is that the Red Sox contract fell apart

because the Red Sox thought he was lying about his age, which turns out may have been true, and that he would have difficulty getting a visa to the U.S. if his age couldn’t be documented.

I found a scouting report on him from 2008 (which has now strangely disappeared even from Google Cache, hmmmmmm) and this scout had rated his fastball at a 70 on an 80/20 scale, now it’s rating as an 80. My guess is that he matured a little bit in the last 18 months and now throws a legit 97.

Either way, you can never have too many awesome arms in your minor league system as far as I’m concerned, and if we end up with this guy AND Stetson Allie (in the supplemental round, which I think is more than 50% likely) we’d have two legit 100 mph fastballs in our minor league system.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jun 4, 2010 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

According to Goold's article

The deal with the Red Sox was voided because he presented false papers during the mlb investigation and was then suspended by mlb for 1 year. Also in that article it says that Matias is a converted infielder with less than 2 years experience as a pitcher. So, the Red Sox were either signing him as an infielder or as a complete projection for the 160k.

by stickman179 on Jun 4, 2010 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

And

It’s not really worrisome that he picked up velo like that no matter what his age. Even if he’s 21, a raw college aged pitcher with an 80 fastball is still pretty good business in the 1st round. So long as he isn’t like 24, you gotta love this signing.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jun 4, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

aka OMS

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 4, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

yah

and, apparently, he has control. In which case, he’s a mildly unpolished version of Jason Motte, with more movement on his heater.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jun 4, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Miller, Matias, and Motte.

We gotta come up with something for this.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 4, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

don't forget

Salas,Sanchez,Samuel

I am the Batman .
@CodeeG

by CodyG on Jun 4, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

The S & M Squad?

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 4, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

um,

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jun 4, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

gonna go with 'no'

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jun 4, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 4, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, squad has to be brothers or boys instead

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 4, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

you can't doubt it now

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 4, 2010 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

actually, I was going at it from the "our pleasure is other teams' pain" angle.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 4, 2010 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sounds pretty hot.

I like the direction this franchise is moving.

by mojowo11 on Jun 4, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

in bed

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jun 4, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

"unpolished version of Jason Motte"

that can’t be right

such a thing doesn’t seem possible

by YesWeOquendo on Jun 4, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I hear that it's 97

with excellent control and movement.

sounds too good to be true but he’s got supposedly good arm action on his changeup and he’s also got a curve he’s working on. If Matias is as advertised, he is instantly fighting Miller for the top spot in our system.

babip giveth... and babip taketh away

by purple_haze on Jun 4, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I heard that he's a bulldog on the mound with a rubber arm

He’s also long, wiry, and projectable

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jun 4, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Does this mean he can be in The Show?

His babalu rates at least a 70 according to what I’ve read.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Jun 4, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

...but he won't throw it until he finds someone who can hit the heater

Based on the scouting reports in this little subthread, it’s not looking good for cancer.

by mojowo11 on Jun 4, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah, I guess

they’re saying he’s only 6 ft tall, so I’ll take the Lincecum/Oswalt comps.

babip giveth... and babip taketh away

by purple_haze on Jun 4, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh I was joking

Trying to use as many scouting cliches as I could

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jun 4, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tense agreement fail

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jun 4, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

i heard he struck out amauri marti on 2 pitches

won a staring contest with Chris Carpenter, and beat John Mozeliak at poker…

Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers

by SleepyCA on Jun 4, 2010 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

He was in talks with Scott Boras,

but he rejected him as an agent, calling him “too soft”

I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons

by hazel on Jun 5, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah,

it’s supposed to be more of a 97-99 cutter than just a plain ole 4 seam fastball

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jun 4, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

which when i read that of course thought of mariano rivera

which wouldn’t be a bad thing, but hopefully the kid becomes a starter. i guess because of size i saw some pedro comparisons, but maybe he has a little ubaldo in him.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 4, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

i heard

that he’s actually left handed, but throws righty so that he can feel more challenged. if he ever faces off against amaury marti in an intrasquad game, god help us all

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jun 4, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

He was actually a hockey punter.

He and Amaury Cazana once got into a fight with Strasburg, Wieters, and Bryce Harper. They won the fight using only their left feet, and then took the three so-called “top prospects” out for ice cream because mercy is the greatest tool of all.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Jun 4, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Actually I was wrong

The greatest tool of all is forgiveness. Your stats can’t calculate that, now can they!

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Jun 4, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

you see there's a petition

for strasburg, virginia to change their town name to stephen strasburg? the author of the article predicts harper’s ferry is next, and he might be right.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 4, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

It does sound too good to be true

which is why I’m kinda hanging fire on this guy. It sounds super exciting but I’ve got to believe there’s a 50%+ chance the deal falls through and a 50%+ chance his abilities have been exaggerated (even if only slightly, and despite being seen by at least 3 scouts lately from what I’d heard).

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jun 4, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I laughed out loud.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 4, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry,

didn’t mean to break the golden rule of rec’ing

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 4, 2010 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Would work better if Marti were a pitcher?

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jun 4, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

he can be both catcher and pitcher. he teleports.

bamf

I'll leave this to Lao Tzu

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 4, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love you

bamf is the sound that nightcrawler makes when he teleports. duh.

I'll leave this to Lao Tzu

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 4, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought it stood for badassmothaSHUTCHOMOUTH

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jun 4, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

well huh

i was actually joking with my comment above.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jun 4, 2010 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

you were correct

I used to read the x-men all the time during the 80s. and he always makes that sound. just as wolverine goes snikt with his claws

I'll leave this to Lao Tzu

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 4, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

my favourite comicbook noise

is that people generally say “AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEEE” when in the middle of a presumably fatal fall.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jun 4, 2010 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've got the scoop on the kid. Here's his story.

While defecting from Cuba, Amaury Cazana lost a piece of a finger nail off his right hand while fighting a great white shark. The finger nail washed ashore on a Dominican beach, where it quickly grew into what is now the hard-throwing righty, Matias. This is the source of his age and identity issues. He really has no date of birth, and is pretty much a clone of Cazana. Through telekinesis, Cazana convinced Matias to sign with the Cardinals, to join him in his rise to power within the organization. Now with Matias by his side, Cazana will be unstoppable.

by stxcardsfan on Jun 4, 2010 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Awesome summary...

thanks DanUp…

Gary Daley’s 2008 campaign – 36 walks, 14 HBPs, and 21 wild pitches in 13 innings – was one for the ages. It actually mirrored my own 1983 season with the purple team in the Creve Coeur league. In my defense, the NW field of Stacy Park was a very hitter friendly environment in those days.

Tis better to lose bunting than win with dingers alone...

by guayzimi on Jun 4, 2010 8:59 AM EDT reply actions   2 recs

The Amazing Thing...

…to me is if u look at his 17 Gulf League appearances, including 11 starts) – only 10 and 1/3rd innings pitched!!!
:=8O

So, he averaged less than an inning pitched over 11 starts!!! No wonder he lugged a cumbersome 24.39 ERA (and u gotta think that was all him) like an anchor and chain behind him! 4.55 WHIP! 13 hits/9! 28 BB/9!!!! 0.16 K/BB!!!!! 34 earned runs in those 10.1 innings, including 15 hits and 32 walks!!! but hay, he gave up 0 HRs (because he was walking everyone!), so there’s your silver lining.

I’m just in awe!
:=8D

Big McLargehuge!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Jun 4, 2010 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

and..

And he was in the GCL as a 22 year old. He was 3-4 years older than all the other players!

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by jroman on Jun 4, 2010 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

I've been trying to wrap my head around this

36 BBs + 14 HBPs + 16 Hs = 66 baserunners in 13 innings. With 21 WPs.

No need to swing, really. Stand there and be alert, preferably while wearing your Biggio/Bonds monster elbow guard.

by nota bene on Jun 4, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I believe those are now mandatory in the minors.

Perhaps because of Daley?

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jun 4, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do they still play Khoury League ball

in St. Louis, instead of Little League?

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jun 4, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've never heard that term...

but I arrived on the scene in the early 80’s.

Tis better to lose bunting than win with dingers alone...

by guayzimi on Jun 4, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I played one season of Khoury league in the early 90's in Decatur, IL

they started pitching a year earlier, so I wanted to get a leg up on the competition for the following year

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by STLRegalia on Jun 4, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I played small town Little League.

We started playing at 9. A 9 yr. old facing a flame throwing 12 yr old is a little intimidating.lol

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 4, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

damnit, i played tee ball against the s-cards

when i was 5!

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jun 4, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sounds like it.

14 would’ve been HS for us. So it wouldn’t have been a helluva lot different from some of the HS teams here.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 4, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

/thinks back

well I turned 14 in middle school, 15 when I was HS… I guess it depends if I thought of myself as a Highschooler without a single day in class.

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@CodeeG

by CodyG on Jun 4, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think they had different cutoff dates when I was in school Cody.lol

I was actually 4 when I started kindergarten and I was 13 when I started freshman year.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 4, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

yep that's definitely different than it is now...

I started Kindergarten at 5-6, so does that mean you graduated at 16?

I am the Batman .
@CodeeG

by CodyG on Jun 4, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

17

You must have gone to a middle school where it was grades 7-9? Here HS is 9-12.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 4, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's just the difference in 20+ yrs then.lol

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 4, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just meaning that they've changed the ages of school and kids can't start as early as they used to.

Which, in most cases, is probably a good thing. I think my mother would’ve found some place for me to be if I hadn’t started school that early.lol

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 4, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is the league I started playing in

in St. Louis, back in the late 60’s.
link

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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jun 4, 2010 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

There's a Khoury league park near my house

The bible declares an eye for an eye, so, let us now take our vengeance on this murderous ocean. . . You won't be hurting anyone anymore

by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jun 4, 2010 3:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Talk about a demarcation point:

2004: Jocketty
2005: Jocketty/Mozeliak/Luhnow
2006: Jocketty/Mozeliak/Luhnow
2007: Mozeliak/Luhnow
2008: Mozeliak/Luhnow

If you go back to 2000-2003, other than Albert, there were very few picks that did much of anything. Since Luhnow was brought in as scouting director (now VP of Amateur Scouting and Player Development), our drafts have been much better at the top, and we’ve gotten much better quality later in the draft. That’s how much of a difference he’s made in our drafting. Considering we’ve had just one protected (top 15) pick in that span, I find our drafts to be pretty impressive.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jun 4, 2010 9:00 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Yes

I agree…with some of the Luhnow bashing that occurs over at PD one would fail to realize that he appeared on the scene as fully-formed, good baseball executive. He very much hit the ground running with the 2005 draft.

And the strategy of drafting players to fill out the “scrubs” portion of the “stars and scrubs” roster is proving itself to be sustainable and make good baseball sense.

by BigJawnMize on Jun 4, 2010 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

He's like the front office version of Albert Pujols!

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jun 4, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

and re: Pujols

seems like they kind of just tripped over him. Like finding a $100 bill on the floor at a McDonalds or something.

by nota bene on Jun 4, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

More like a $1,000,000 bill.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jun 4, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

or a 10/300m bill.

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jun 4, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

i don't know

if accidentally stumbling upon a 42-year-old making $30MM is all that lucky

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jun 4, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ruth had a .985 ops as a 40 year old

Bonds had a 1.045 as a 42 year old so maybe Albert is headed to a 10 year contract after all

Stats are like a girl in a bikini, both would agree that Joe Morgan is an idiot

by TomCat009 on Jun 4, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

not really comparable

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jun 4, 2010 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

You weren't kidding about Daley's 2008 season...

wow – it’s hard to believe he’s still on the payroll

by riotmute on Jun 4, 2010 9:01 AM EDT reply actions  

Anyone Remember Glass Jaw Charlie...

….from the original Punchout? The easiest and first guy u get to clomp around, and who pretty mooch goes down if a stiff breeze blows his way? That would be our Daley, at least in ’08…

;=8)

Big McLargehuge!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Jun 4, 2010 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

KNOCK HIM OUT!

One of the greatest games ever!

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"That's easy - Dolph Lundgren" - Mac

by Green Man! on Jun 4, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Green Man!

The un-official official mascot for the St. Louis Men’s Roller Derby Team!

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Jun 4, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

he's got the stuff

great movement, but at some point (like now) he needs to turn that “stuff” into results.

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by jroman on Jun 4, 2010 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

ot from other thread - hypothesis: standing O's correlate with K's

who wants to put some numbers on that?

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 4, 2010 9:44 AM EDT reply actions  

any word on Sugar Shane? was it a season-ending injury?

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 4, 2010 9:51 AM EDT reply actions  

y'all will like this. someone changed his twitter avatar.

http://twitter.com/andrewdmoses

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 4, 2010 9:55 AM EDT reply actions  

more posts like this

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jun 4, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Milwaukee

The Brewers are 10 games under .500 at this point and a half-game back of the Pirates. It goes to show the importance of pitching. They are second in the division in runs scored, behind the Reds, with 270, but have allowed the most runs in the division at 308. For comparison, the Cardinals have allowed 192 runs so far this season. To me, this poses an interesting question: Will the Brewers allow twice as many runs as the Cardinals this season?

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jun 4, 2010 10:21 AM EDT reply actions  

Brady Toops

I loved the factoid about Brady Toops. (I like how the article is under the mlb.com/Entertainment category.) Maybe his upside is to create a new jingle for “Six Is a Serious Numbah.”

by redmatter on Jun 4, 2010 10:32 AM EDT reply actions  

Leach has a Draft-centric piece up on the Mother Ship

It’s worth a read for the Mo and Lunhow quotes. Here is a taste:

Shopping list
The top two areas of need, according to Mozeliak, are left-handed pitching and speed. The club has drafted players based on performance in recent years, sometimes at the expense of “toolsy” players. It’s reasonable to expect a few more picks trending toward athletic, projectable but less predictable players this time around.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jun 4, 2010 10:37 AM EDT reply actions  

Outside of Garcia,

The Cardinals have been terrible with left handers. Simply awful.

I’m really not a fan of targeting the speed skill as it seems so secondary to the overall offensive or defensive package to me. I don’t think they’ll do this beyond an assessment of the overall tools of a player including speed.

I’m desperately hoping for Austin Wilson at 25.

Think; It's not illegal yet.

by azruavatar on Jun 4, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good Fastball--Command of Fastball

I have said it on FR many times that I consider these items at the top of the list when considering pitching prospects. If a kid has a good fastball, command of fastball, and is left handed he is a top 10 pick. Many more of kids with these skills fall to the bottom of the first round are right handed, this year is no different with Allie, Harvey, Gausmann, etc…

by BigJawnMize on Jun 4, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with you wholeheartedly on targeting speed.

I don’t understand why a club would do that as I, too, consider it a secondary skill. And I’m someone who grew up idolizing Ozzie Smith, Willie McGee, and Vince Coleman.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jun 4, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

This video of Austin WIlson is so out of control that everyone should watch it

i’ve never seen such a loaded-tailor-made-for-veb video clip

clearly it’s fate

Master of Typos

by YesWeOquendo on Jun 4, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

infact i’ve changed my sig

/test

by YesWeOquendo on Jun 4, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

i remember watching that live

the kid can hit for power no doubt.

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by jroman on Jun 4, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Kid knows how to mull

That’s an important secondary skill in the majors.

by mojowo11 on Jun 4, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

my gawd

that echoed through wrigley! man, he launched that

by mikey_mac on Jun 4, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

fuck

that stayed hit!

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jun 4, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

wow, wood bat with a metal bat ping

talk about having “a different sound”.

Kid does look like he’ll be something, though.

Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers

by SleepyCA on Jun 5, 2010 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Man, I've been saying we should draft Wilson since

I started following this years draft class.

The guy reminds me Alfonzo Soriano but without the inept fielding.

babip giveth... and babip taketh away

by purple_haze on Jun 4, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

don't know if you read this latest

but wilson might not be around to pick, or even that stetson allie kid some would like with a sandwich pick:

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=11070

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 4, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

The main thing with Wilson

is that if he falls to us, it’s because of signability concerns. The kid wants to go to Stanford. As for the sandwich picks, I will bet you a thousand internet dollars that Delino DeShields Jr. is one of them. Speed is apparently a concern for Lunhow and DeShields has the Cardinals bloodlines.

babip giveth... and babip taketh away

by purple_haze on Jun 4, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

The kid can go to Stanford after he makes a few million dollars.

Hell, he could probably buy a degree if he’s that good.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 4, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

maybe his signability is overblown a bit

this writer seems to know a lot about this draft, and the fact he has the rays taking wilson after not getting their pick signed last year suggests it’s just a matter of money – it does behoove wilson to talk up stanford, right?

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 4, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it gets talked up

because he’s a good student and his parents are pushing it. Obviously, its a good negotiating tool but it’s also Stanford. It’s not like he’s talking up Arizona State or something to squeeze a few more bux for his signing bonus.

It’s hard to gauge signability concerns because obviously, lots of people go to college but very few play pro ball. So, on some level, all the college committments are basically leverage. But I think that some kids honestly want to set themselves up in the long term with school. It’s hard to say, really.

babip giveth... and babip taketh away

by purple_haze on Jun 4, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah I think we end up with DeShields too

FWIW I’m not sure I’m that keen on him. I guess as the 2nd sandwich he’d be ok.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jun 4, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dan...

 or anyone else for that matter, as a draft primer… do you have any thoughts on local catching prospect Jake DePew?

I know he just recently received the gatorade player of the year award for the state of Illinois, the last player to win that award locally was Jake Ordorizi from Highland.

While Spinning.

How much were yours? 34 dollars. You know you got a pay raise... right?

by streamman on Jun 4, 2010 10:57 AM EDT reply actions  

Nice Quote on Jaime

From Jayson Stark’s Article, a scout described Jaime:

On Jaime Garcia: “This guy really impresses me. His stuff is real good. He’s got two breaking balls that are both above average. But what’s jumped out at me is he’s very competitive. He’s a nasty competitor. He has this aura like, ’I’m gonna beat your rear end.’ Like when he faces the Pirates, he doesn’t just want to beat them. He wants to embarrass them.”

by OCCardsFan on Jun 4, 2010 10:58 AM EDT reply actions  

My question is

Was he like this in the minors and people didn’t notice? Has he learned this attitude?

by sdrone on Jun 4, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

no, that's Boggs

I wasn’t all-capping JAIME GARCIA for nothin’.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 4, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think he was

People were talking about how he really carried the AAA team to the championship game

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jun 4, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

i just never expected him to be this good based on what we heard about him in the minors

and i do think, now that we’re in june, we can agree he is THIS good.

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jun 4, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I remember him from his cup of coffee in the majors.

and he came back strong for Memphis in a playoff situation, at a time when I was anxious about his post-surgery. he was comin’.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 4, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Depending what we're talking about with THIS

3.7 xFIP I can believe, 3.00 FIP not so much, 1.32 ERA yeah…no.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jun 4, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Which is based on his 3.02 FIP

Which is based on his 2.4% HR/FB

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jun 4, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

some still doubt the greatness of Jaime

excert from www.feelingdodgerblue.com

Garcia is a great story. Coming back from Tommy John surgery to pitch in the Minors last year and make it up to Big’s this year. This being his fifth pro-season, I don’t think tiring out is as big a concern for him. However, his track record which is a high WHIP and an ERA usually around 4.00 means that he is living a charmed life right now. Garcia, above any player in basbeball, is due to come back to Earth very, very soon.

I am the Batman .
@CodeeG

by CodyG on Jun 4, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

You, with the 3.72 xFIP,

back to Earch with thee!

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jun 4, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

So for those that follow this...

who are the Rick Porcello types in this year’s draft that we should be getting excited about? I know Austin Wilson will want a big bonus… who would be another agressive, high-upside type pick at number 25?

Tis better to lose bunting than win with dingers alone...

by guayzimi on Jun 4, 2010 11:21 AM EDT reply actions  

From the Leach story I linked to above:
First-round buzz
It’s tougher to project what a team will do at No. 25 than at, say, No. 10, just because it’s harder to know who will be there. But the Cards showed an increasing willingness last year to spend on amateur talent, so if a player with signability issues falls to them, they might take the risk. Mozeliak said, though, that it doesn’t appear there will be many of those players this year. It seems to be still fairly wide-open at this point.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jun 4, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

astounding insight from leach there

that’s what he’s paid for…

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jun 4, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd rather he say he doesn't know

Than start making shit up about who he thinks we’re going to get.

by mojowo11 on Jun 4, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

my preference to BOTH of those scenarios would be

that he tells us he knows something, claims he’ll reveal it at midnight in a tweet, and then punks out our collective asses like the bad boy he is.

THAT’S fucking journalism, my friend.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jun 4, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Karsten Whitson is rumored to fall down to the 20s. As is AJ Cole

Both would represent the pitchers who fit the Shelby Miller mold of “hey, how the fux did they fall this far!?”

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by tgreenfield on Jun 4, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cole would be awesome. I've heard he could drop to 25

Him, Gausmann (who I really like), Harvey or Wilson would be great. Maybe Wilson would be my favourite but I don’t think he reaches 25 tbh.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jun 4, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

wow, BP have Harvey going at SIX.

I don’t think I’ve seen anything previously that had him higher than the late teens.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jun 4, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

and has us taking the two-way player - eibner?

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 4, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

I’m a bit down on two-way players, although i don’t think i’ve got any huge rational argument for it. I think there’s a danger you get a guy who could be OK at either side of the game when I feel instinctively it’s better to go with someone with higher upside on one end, although from what I hear Eibner (like Stock last year) does seem to have a decent ceiling. I’d just probably rather go for someone else.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jun 4, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Since we bought Matias already

I’d like to see a position player from our top pick. Christian Colon or Yordy Cabrera would make good picks at SS. Austin Wilson, as has been discussed multiple times, is the prize.

babip giveth... and babip taketh away

by purple_haze on Jun 4, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Undoubtedly, this will excited MooCow.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jun 4, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

dunno if i'm that big on the high end two-way guys in the draft

they both sound to have a lot of warts to me, though i suppose that’ll be the case in the 20s. BP has us taking Eibner, who I don’t think I like the sound of at all.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jun 4, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

He was a Brewer, I'm pretty sure

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jun 4, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

better check yo' self....

He was a 1st RD draft pick by the Cubs who was one of the greatest collegiate players of all time. Was a two-way player who didn’t hack it as an outfielder so he came back as a reliever in the early 2000’s with the brewers.

The joke was about great two way players who were first rounders who never cut it, hence the relationship to Eibner/Cowart.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Jun 4, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

he came back as a reliever/outfielder with the brewers

I wish some other team would realize how awesome that role is, maybe after Micah Owings is down to NRI offers.

by DanUpBaby on Jun 4, 2010 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Didn't he mostly throw a knuckler as a Brewer?

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jun 4, 2010 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

anything that we do that can piss off the Red Sox

is something that I fully support…..( i guess him becoming a potential ace ain’t so bad either, eh?)

Rasmus can hit lefties
cardinalred
St. Louis Sports blog

by stlcardsfan4 on Jun 4, 2010 11:41 AM EDT reply actions  

i can't view it @ work

but it can’t be any worse than ‘that smooth swing’

by _pistol_ on Jun 4, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

lyrics

“He left a good job in St. Louis,
Working for Larussa night and day,
Traded to the Jays, making all the plays,
Came to Cincinnati, I hope he stays,

Red Legs keep on winning,
Proud Dusty keep on grinning,
Rolen, Rolen, Rolen on the River,

Brandon and Johnny and Votto,
Getting clutch hits in the nick of time,
Along with Jay Bruce, this team is so loose,
Always coming through when it’s on the line,

Red Legs keep on winning,
Proud Dusty keep on grinning,
Rolen, Rolen, Rolen on the River,

Leake and Arroyo and Cueto,
Making all the starts that you need to win,
Going to the mound, shutting them down,
Handing off to Rhodes and Cordero then,

Red Legs keep on winning,
Proud Dusty keep on grinning,
Rolen, Rolen, Rolen on the River"

I am the Batman .
@CodeeG

by CodyG on Jun 4, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Holy ... what ... no ...

Okay … Is this so lame that if this wreckage could be personified, little kids would stop, stare, point and ask their mommy loudly “Mommy, what’s wrong with him?”

Or is it just me?

by Michael_68_1999 on Jun 4, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

i thought he was fine singing wise

but it was kind of used when Rolen was here so its not that original (well he changed lyrics, but hasn’t anybody else heard “Rolen on the River”) and he probably decided to do it because of Rasmus Girl…..

Rasmus can hit lefties
cardinalred
St. Louis Sports blog

by stlcardsfan4 on Jun 4, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

wasn't

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jun 4, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

FSBN.

anyway, wasn’t “rolen on the river” a st louis thing? there was a poster or something…

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jun 4, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have that poster hanging in my garage

Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")

by STLRegalia on Jun 4, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I used to have that poster in my bedroom.

Every night, I’d…….oh wait, that was Cindy Crawford.

Cardinals Baseball 2010...Catch the Infection!

by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Jun 4, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

rasmus girl > john fogerty wannabe

Albert's grand slam, 7/3/09
@zoomzoomj88
Boog's reviving the 'stache!!! Woohoo!
Aaron Miles, Tony? Really?

by zoomzoomj88 on Jun 4, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

YOU'RE SO WELCOME! hahaha

Note: Above comment may contain gratuitous amounts of sarcasm.

BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS

Hey Houston,
Suck it; you suck

by vexedtechie on Jun 4, 2010 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

D Goold says

The Cards might be going with a 3 man rotation for the next few weeks. Carpenter, Wainwright, and Garcia could pitch the next 14 of 18 games all without doing so on short rest. 10@10

....my quick smells like french toast...

Twitter: @mstreeter06

by mstreeter06 on Jun 4, 2010 12:03 PM EDT reply actions  

If that's the case

the Cardinals easily could go 12-6 in those 18 games, without even breathing hard.

by Michael_68_1999 on Jun 4, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Looks like we get

Waino for VEB day, but I’ll only get to watch Carp once while I’m out there. 2 Waino appearances though, so it’s not all bad.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jun 4, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ugh

No thanks. Just because they’d stay on normal rest doesn’t mean that extra rest wouldn’t be good for them long term.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jun 4, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

if the options

are running the top 3 out there on normal rest or giving them extra rest and starting pj walters, i’m taking the former

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jun 4, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ottavino?

give him another shot maybe?

Rasmus can hit lefties
cardinalred
St. Louis Sports blog

by stlcardsfan4 on Jun 4, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

just pitch Ottavino the fourth day of each week or whatever

that way we get more of Carp, Waino, and Garcia and they all have some rest in the between

well this is pending on his results on Saturday but otherwise I would go with the four man

Rasmus can hit lefties
cardinalred
St. Louis Sports blog

by stlcardsfan4 on Jun 4, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

depends on how he does sat.

I'll leave this to Lao Tzu

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 4, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

that sounds like a fantastic idea to me

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jun 4, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

ughh...

that means off days, and lots of ’em. I HATE off-days.

If you see a guy open the car door for his girlfriend, either the car is new or the girlfriend is.

by cardzfanbub on Jun 4, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

spelling bee!

“Using Bayesian techniques, Nate Silver correctly predicted he would have a burrito for dinner.”

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 4, 2010 12:27 PM EDT reply actions  

That can't be real, right?

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jun 4, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just heard it.

unfortunately she got it wrong, because it’s got a “z” sound and it’s named after a dude. so it sounds like “bay-zian”.

two words before it was a greek-type word for fart.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 4, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really? Bayesian is pretty common in advanced math, but I guess these kids ARE like 12

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jun 4, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly.

Most of them probably haven’t even heard of Bayesian before because, even if they are in advanced math, they likely aren’t in that advanced of a math class.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jun 4, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

the ones who trip on Japanese roots drive me crazy

there’s only one way to get those wrong — miss the double vowels. it’s spelled how it sounds.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 4, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think that's only for "vowel-s+k-vowel" words, right?

so one can figure that out from hearing it.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 4, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

desu.

"A good catcher is the quarterback, the carburetor, the lead dog, the pulse taker, the traffic cop and sometimes a lot of unprintable things, but no team gets very far without one." – Miller Huggins

by vico on Jun 4, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

not borrowed into English, though.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 4, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

???

What’s this mean?

"A good catcher is the quarterback, the carburetor, the lead dog, the pulse taker, the traffic cop and sometimes a lot of unprintable things, but no team gets very far without one." – Miller Huggins

by vico on Jun 4, 2010 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

we were talking about a spelling bee in American English.

it’s used in Japan, but to my knowledge it is not in U.S. dictionaries.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 4, 2010 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

And "daisuke" is?

"A good catcher is the quarterback, the carburetor, the lead dog, the pulse taker, the traffic cop and sometimes a lot of unprintable things, but no team gets very far without one." – Miller Huggins

by vico on Jun 4, 2010 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Which makes no sense

Presumably it was English speakers who came up with the spellings, why would they add in random letters for no reason?

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jun 4, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

there is a reason.

I’ve forgotten the exacts of it, but it’s probably in the explanation of romaji.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 4, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

It probably dates back to British imperialism in Asia,

and we all know the British have been adding extra letters to words in American for years.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jun 4, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

motherfuckourre?

babip giveth... and babip taketh away

by purple_haze on Jun 4, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Or Welsh.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jun 4, 2010 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey there

Please curb that colourful language. This is a family bloug.

by mojowo11 on Jun 4, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

We should give them a TKO from Tokyo.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Jun 4, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

this kid right now wants to be a statistician

he gets bombed on a French word that means “whistler.”

meanwhile the girl from Puerto Rico gets a Spanish word.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 4, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's just the luck of the spelling gods

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 4, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

HFS they let this one girl back in because they effed up the Q&A with the panel

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 4, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

heh....rec'd

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jun 4, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

her mom protested

I don’t think there was any contact

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 4, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha

Albert's grand slam, 7/3/09
@zoomzoomj88
Boog's reviving the 'stache!!! Woohoo!
Aaron Miles, Tony? Really?

by zoomzoomj88 on Jun 4, 2010 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

she's out on some astronomy term anyway.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 4, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Couple notes on SS

Peter Kozma actually leads all SS in OPS for AA. Also, Ryan Jackson looks like he can take a walk down in Quad Cities with 33 BB: 41K.

by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 4, 2010 12:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Jackson: Brendan with better plate discipline?

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jun 4, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

I personally liked the pick a lot. He is kind of like if Kozma went to college and was black.

by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 4, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Shhh

Jackson is full of explosive blackness and Kozma is trying to grind his way to the big leagues. Not comparable.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jun 4, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

yeah

Jackson’s exciting, electrifying. He keeps the guys loose. Kozma’s gritty, blue-collar, he’s a guy who plays the game the right way. They aren’t similar in any way at all.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jun 4, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

A black shortstop? (He's black?)

Hey—it worked in Blazing Saddles!

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Jun 4, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

A .757 OPS leads all AA shortstops?

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jun 4, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah I'm excited about "matias" as well.

don’t see why he would lie anymore with the way his arm has matured…

I am the Batman .
@CodeeG

by CodyG on Jun 4, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Goold goes on to debunk Tony's usage but HFS
In the past two seasons, the Cardinals are 83-50 when Brendan Ryan is in the starting lineup. They are 25-13 this season. (When he’s not in the lineup, the Cardinals are 39-44.) link

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 4, 2010 1:12 PM EDT reply actions  

that seems like a totally predictive stat

kind of like the stat that al loves that says that when carp is healthy, the cards make the post season

correlation is awesome

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jun 4, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

it is

I wonder how much the correlations get to the pitchers, though. it’s one thing to look at win-loss with Yadi, because one’s actively doing the game plan with him. but with Boog, what if they go out with the mindset of “I can make 3-5 mistakes.” vs. “I can make 1-2 mistakes” vs “eff this, I can’t make any mistakes with these jokers behind me.”

well for one thing… when Carp is healthy… per Bernie he’s 15-1 against the NL Central since the start of last season. as useless as W-L numbers are, mowing down one’s own division every fifth start is a good way to get into the playoffs.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 4, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hate patronizing scoreboard operators

Oakland does this worse than any stadium I’ve ever seen, but they put up absurd stats like “Against Lefties in the 8th Inning or Later in 2010” and show something like:

.333 average
1 2B
1 RBI

Wow. Illuminating. Thanks for that.

by mojowo11 on Jun 4, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's like in Mr. Baseball, when Tom Selleck says

“Last year I led this ball club in ninth inning doubles in the month of August!”

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Jun 4, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's the best kind of stat

because it can’t be proven right or wrong

Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")

by STLRegalia on Jun 4, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Goold goes on to take it apart, yes.

call it a factoid.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 4, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

bruce wayne looks good

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 4, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

is this shit for real?

i remembered him more of a badass
THIS GUY shut us down?

by d-dee on Jun 4, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I KNOW!

He’s not even wearing an Affliction shirt!

by YesWeOquendo on Jun 4, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

i took this one


but we should probably contribute some of the bad assness to the robot in the background

by d-dee on Jun 4, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh, c'mon

he’s squishing a puppy. That’s even worse than kicking.

Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers

by SleepyCA on Jun 5, 2010 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think he's a cutie

"Have you ever thrown a ball 100 miles an hour? Everything hurts. Even your ass hurts. I see pictures of my face and say, 'Holy shit', but that's the strain you feel when you throw." ~ Bob Gibson

by spfldbird on Jun 4, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

wow just to make sure

I’m talking about David Freese, not Bud Norris.

Although his dog is kinda cute

"Have you ever thrown a ball 100 miles an hour? Everything hurts. Even your ass hurts. I see pictures of my face and say, 'Holy shit', but that's the strain you feel when you throw." ~ Bob Gibson

by spfldbird on Jun 4, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

towel, please.

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jun 4, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

very "cool"

although, red hot.

is this magazine nationwide or more of a st. louis or midwest local mag?

I'll leave this to Lao Tzu

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 4, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

fanshot it

there’s probably next to nothing in David Freese’s player tag.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 4, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

AGH does every baseball player just listen to over-processed, over-compressed post-grunge/hard rock?

For once, I want a player to say he listens to, like, early 90s math rock or, like, Steve Reich or something.

babip giveth... and babip taketh away

by purple_haze on Jun 4, 2010 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

My friend linked this on facebook

and I read it without looking at the author. If I had known it was a Curt Schilling article, I never would have read it. Money quote:

Think about it. What if in today’s world an umpire blows that call and costs a team a World Series? Riots? Likely. Death threats? For sure. Now what if someone loses their live in a riot due to something this stupid.

by jd is legend on Jun 4, 2010 2:29 PM EDT reply actions  

I didn't know one could lose their "live."

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jun 4, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I once lost my Live,

it was on CD.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jun 4, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

must have been a sad day for you

Live was awesome

Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")

by STLRegalia on Jun 4, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Live WAS awesome

too bad Ed was a total dickhead and screwed the rest of the band.

by DarkHelmut on Jun 4, 2010 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Editing

Think about it. What if in today’s world [as opposed to what world?] an umpire blows that call and that costs a team a World Series? Riots? Likely. Death threats? For sure. Now what if someone loses their live life in a riot due to something this stupid-.-?

by mojowo11 on Jun 4, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah crap

Nevermind the “that” edit. Read that part wrong.

Still, atrocious writing.

by mojowo11 on Jun 4, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

three straight lefties

wolf, narveson, and parra replacing bush – apparently macha knows the cards are OPS’ing .674 against lefties.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 4, 2010 2:43 PM EDT reply actions  

felipe lopez

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jun 4, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

lefties this weekend...

perhaps Flip @ 2nd and Boog @ ss?

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jun 4, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like it!

If you see a guy open the car door for his girlfriend, either the car is new or the girlfriend is.

by cardzfanbub on Jun 4, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

For me to poop on!

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jun 4, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'd take that

over any lineup w/ miles in it any day.

Albert's grand slam, 7/3/09
@zoomzoomj88
Boog's reviving the 'stache!!! Woohoo!
Aaron Miles, Tony? Really?

by zoomzoomj88 on Jun 4, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

and because it's our best lineup

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 4, 2010 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is that written by Andy Van Slyke, former MLB outfielder?

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jun 4, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

That plane shadow is very ominous...

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jun 4, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Speaking of ominous shadows,

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/02/miami-living-magazine-fea_n_597716.html

"A good catcher is the quarterback, the carburetor, the lead dog, the pulse taker, the traffic cop and sometimes a lot of unprintable things, but no team gets very far without one." – Miller Huggins

by vico on Jun 4, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

You forgot "and Cardinal favorite.".

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 4, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Miller: "I love the human element."

That’s because you weren’t on the 1985 St. Louis Cardinals, Trever.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jun 4, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

i love strontium.

what’s everyone else’s favourite element?

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jun 4, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

krypton

its a real element!

babip giveth... and babip taketh away

by purple_haze on Jun 4, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought surprise was a weapon?

link

“Amongst our weaponry are such elements as fear, sur…I’ll come in again” I guess it’s both?

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jun 4, 2010 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Fifth

no, actually, that one kind of sucked

Cardinals Baseball 2010...Catch the Infection!

by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Jun 4, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

of surprise?

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jun 4, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

NOBODY expects the element of surprise!

among our weapons are strontium, krypton, surprise again, earth, heart, and a shit film with Bruce Willis and….. wait, let’s go out and do that bit again

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jun 4, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

evo on 4g

i get that on my iphone on at&t’s 3g

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jun 4, 2010 5:18 PM EDT reply actions  

3 more days until iPhone announcement omg

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jun 4, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

pretty excited about this

this might be what gets me to go smartphone.

by DanUpBaby on Jun 4, 2010 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

usually when i run it (in austin)

it’s arround 2 mbps down. i’ve seen it break 3 before

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jun 4, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol thats hopefully running on evdo

or someone has overloaded their wimax networks with 20 people on it lol

by FunkeeC on Jun 4, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

i've read pretty lackluster reviews

of the 4G network so far today

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jun 4, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Battery reviews have been bad as well, yeah?

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jun 4, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah,

but that’s kind of gotta be expected. i’m not usually very many places where i can’t charge my iphone, so i doubt that would change my life a whole lot

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jun 4, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

i mean,

i was expecting like 6-8 mbps download speeds. 4G is the biggest draw for me switching to sprint. definitely waiting on the new iphone right now

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jun 4, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Everything I've heard about 4G

Is that it’s basically just 3G with a tiny speed boost. It’s not really that different.

by mojowo11 on Jun 4, 2010 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

well then they havent done something correctly

cause the point of 4G is increased bandwidth. Ill wait til we get some LTE loving here stateside as att and tmob still have headroom to improve 3g speeds until then. in fact tmob is working hard on building out their 3.5g network currently and att starting to do the same. and att is already the fastest.

by FunkeeC on Jun 4, 2010 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

i dont think 5g standards exist

LTE hasnt launched full time anywhere in the world and there isnt a retail phone that offers LTE yet and EVO is the 1st wimax one.

but according to wikipedia, they are funding research into 5g

and yes, having such a huge country with so many users as the USA does makes tech like this harder here than places such as korea

by FunkeeC on Jun 4, 2010 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah,

4G is available in my area, it’s just not looking like it’s gonna be that amazing

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jun 4, 2010 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

nice

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jun 4, 2010 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

same for me

i guess i should start doing some research on how easy it is to crack android 2.2

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jun 4, 2010 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

well,

i got a game going on mlb.tv here, so i’ll stop complaining for now. still not getting the speeds i used to in austin, though

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jun 4, 2010 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

and now that i complaina about this,

i realize that i’ve been getting about 0.5 mbps on my iphone since moving to san marcos

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jun 4, 2010 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

So...LaRussa is managing the Brewers??? Their pitcher is batting 8th tonight.

Also, Captain Morgan is throwing out the first pitch. LETS GET DRUNK!

Note: Above comment may contain gratuitous amounts of sarcasm.

BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS

Hey Houston,
Suck it; you suck

by vexedtechie on Jun 4, 2010 5:25 PM EDT reply actions  

no pressure, Sam Bradford.

none at all.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 4, 2010 5:49 PM EDT reply actions  

oho

Franklin and Holliday may wrestle.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 4, 2010 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

HAHAHA

RFL!!

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 4, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

they're lucky Penny's on the DL

OK dude too. he might be able to take two of them at a time

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 4, 2010 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kid just needs to learn how to fall...

He’d be fine if he knew how to take a hit.

Note: Above comment may contain gratuitous amounts of sarcasm.

BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS

Hey Houston,
Suck it; you suck

by vexedtechie on Jun 4, 2010 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

honestly, i think its just a coincidence that he got hurt

he got injured once, came back too quickly, and re-injured himself

i think he can take a hit (we’ll find out of course)

Rasmus can hit lefties
cardinalred
St. Louis Sports blog

by stlcardsfan4 on Jun 4, 2010 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

he's effed if it bounces

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 4, 2010 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

he'll probably toss it up there about 70

if he’s gonna throw 90 i hope he warns holliday

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 4, 2010 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

so in the past three days, how many of the 2006 WS squad will have played at Busch?

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 4, 2010 6:01 PM EDT reply actions  

...there are a lot of pictures of hands holding things up in front of greenery

in this post.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 4, 2010 6:03 PM EDT reply actions  

also, dan

nice post. Love to see some prospect talk on here now and again.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jun 4, 2010 6:11 PM EDT reply actions  

I just want to pop in to report that the top half of this thread is one of funnies on record

my gawd i laughed hard…thanks boys and girls…you broke up the monotony of studying for boards

now, back to work

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

by VolsnCards5 on Jun 4, 2010 6:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Does anyone else not care about the Pre-Draft talk?

For me I just don’t have it in me to follow College/High School baseball players. I mean don’t get me wrong I love the draft and finding more about the guys after we drafted them. It is just that whole before thing. It is nice to go back over RB’s draft analysis after the fact. But I honestly haven’t read any of the pre-draft stuff on individual players. Just too much of a crap shoot to project what we need in 4 years. I just let the draft happen and enjoy it.

by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 4, 2010 6:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Agree

I want to know about them after we draft them, but pre-draft it doesn’t excite me.

But I do appreciate all the work these guys are doing putting together scouting reports.

by OCCardsFan on Jun 4, 2010 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I read RB's stuff

because the barrier for me into college/high school isn’t interest, it’s the difficulty that comes with trying to find and sift through all the information.

by DanUpBaby on Jun 4, 2010 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I typically either glaze over or don't read the draft preview stuff

Just not my thing. I’m not knocking it or saying it shouldn’t be on VEB — this is obviously the forum for it — I’m just not that interested. /shrug

by mojowo11 on Jun 4, 2010 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah,

i can’t really get into it

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jun 4, 2010 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

TWHS

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jun 4, 2010 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

no, i really enjoy it

there’s not enough baseball stuff for us to talk about as it is, so i think it’s a refreshingly interesting extra bunch of stuff for us to get anal about, which I welcome.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jun 4, 2010 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

the worst pitcher i've ever seen

honestly, I could pitch better than this guy (at least I could do that job better)

Rasmus can hit lefties
cardinalred
St. Louis Sports blog

by stlcardsfan4 on Jun 4, 2010 6:49 PM EDT reply actions  

That's.... just...

what.

babip giveth... and babip taketh away

by purple_haze on Jun 4, 2010 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

man, that dude needed to go to his mouth four times on the mound

get the 4 balls called without throwing a pitch – that was the perfect time for that move.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 4, 2010 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow

Our projected runs allowed is the lowest in the league by 60 something runs. The only ones below 700.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Jun 4, 2010 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Sawx are also

below….686.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jun 4, 2010 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oops. I meant in the NL

Still, 639 runs allowed. That is awesome.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Jun 4, 2010 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

indeed.....

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jun 4, 2010 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe they've massively outperformed their Pythag thus far in the season

Which is “in the books,” so to say

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jun 4, 2010 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

they've actually underperformed pythag so far

per B-R, going into today, Scored 283 runs, Allowed 239 runs. Pythagorean W-L: 32-23.

Actual W-L, 31-24.

To finish with that record they’d have to score 496 runs, give up 551 runs, (.441 pythag going forward) and go 54-53.

Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers

by SleepyCA on Jun 5, 2010 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

so now i really don't get this projection

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 5, 2010 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, the stuff that already happens doesn't necessarily follow the pythag record type pattern

So maybe that’s just the rest of season projections differing wildly from the games that have actually happened up to this point?

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Jun 4, 2010 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

let's go livan!

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jun 4, 2010 7:09 PM EDT reply actions  

"and the errorfest continues"

thanks, nats

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jun 4, 2010 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

cow has him and Waino going

against me tonight in ESPN league. I could really use for Livan to get lit up……

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jun 4, 2010 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

i would rather

the team that the cardinals are fighting for first place lose

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jun 4, 2010 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

i thought he was in the bullpen?

who am i thinking of then – somebody with philly?

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 4, 2010 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Calls his child Jesus

’cause he likes the nameeeeeeeeee

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jun 4, 2010 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh this is too good

going to have to pick one or two of these up

by LandSickness on Jun 4, 2010 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

i believe that's the jim-joyce-detroit-winter-public model

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 4, 2010 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm betting Joyce is going to be anyplace but Detroit in the winter.

Hell, I’d want to be anyplace but Detroit in the winter.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 4, 2010 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

These douches at BCB are assailing the honor of the mang...

they make the rabble at RedsReporter seem reasonable.

Tis better to lose bunting than win with dingers alone...

by guayzimi on Jun 4, 2010 7:45 PM EDT reply actions  

brewcrewball not the other BCB

Tis better to lose bunting than win with dingers alone...

by guayzimi on Jun 4, 2010 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

As soon as you said "douches", we should've known.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 4, 2010 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow a whole 57 comments?

They really tear it up over there don’t they?

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 4, 2010 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

compared to the barren marlins site

that’s a big count.

the bleed cubbie blue crowd is becoming disinterested, it seems i guess it mirrors the attendance at wrigley, which is dropping. they’ll probably make some move soon, try to get people interested again.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 4, 2010 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'm not going to get a virus am i?

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

by VolsnCards5 on Jun 4, 2010 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

At least, the singing isn't as hard on the ears as Rasmus Girl was.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 4, 2010 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

interesting...

who made this?

Formerly known as The_teague. F'in SBN.
'You're playing like Betty White out there!'
'That's not what your girlfriend said.'

by Heisenberg on Jun 4, 2010 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL

‘Jaime, without you and carp, and waino we’d fall apaaaaart’

Formerly known as The_teague. F'in SBN.
'You're playing like Betty White out there!'
'That's not what your girlfriend said.'

by Heisenberg on Jun 4, 2010 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

ian desmond looks a bit like jeter at times

so strasburg is set for tuesday it sounds, with pudge catching.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 4, 2010 7:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Hope the whole National's fanbase has a supply of towels.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 4, 2010 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

They'd better do that or else it could get messy.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 4, 2010 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

from the looks of it, they have a good crowd tonite

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 4, 2010 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

A lot of people were guessing

that today was going to be Strasburg day.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jun 4, 2010 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

is that it, really?

i was hoping they were getting some support. they should pick up oswalt and/or a right fielder – they can afford it, and it would build the fanbase and add value to the franchise.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 4, 2010 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Damn my inability to screenshot and maybe nexdef

but Boog is number one under who’s hot on the fantasy updates on yahoo

Time is the best teacher; Unfortunately it kills all its students

by TomCat009 on Jun 4, 2010 7:55 PM EDT reply actions  

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