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An Aaron Miles Fixed-Verse Spectacular

UTILITY INFIELD LOVER—

A baseball team without utility
is sandpaper worn smooth by stathead cries;
slide rules and spreadsheets warn putatively
that on this side replacement level lies.
But I've a new split in life's great fangraphs—
math major's terror, a science of art;
final affront to statistical satraps,
my new creation: an xFIP of heart.
Take innings played and divide it by two,
add grit and hustle, subtract cheers from scouts;
garnish our twenty-five plates of man stew,
offer to bunt when the game's been blown out.

Though "Do without!" is what GM Mo says,
things weren't the same with Felipe Lopez.

UTILITY INFIELDER BELOVED—

Time's mitt exceeds NL regulations
and no one's yet held fast to his webbing.
Aging infielders, men without nations,
grounders to short, utilities ebbing.
I am that grounder, one hop up the middle,
the third out of some cosmic ninth inning,
and you a pebble, the shortstop's riddle,
my service time's final beginning.
Retired in Chicago and paid as a Red,
these Redbirds reminders of my useful past,
I play out the string with Time's words in my head:
"An E6 today's a delay that can't last."

With one out remaining, retirement stayed—
with you in speed-dial I'll always be paid.

Star-divide

The rest of baseball kicked and screamed through last night, but the Cardinals game was an ideal affair. For all Chris Carpenter's perceived laboring he's on pace, per ESPN, to go 21-3 with a 2.76 ERA. His strikeout to walk ratio is a step down from Perfect Carpenter but, at 3.7, above the likes of mere mortals, and his worrisome home run count has started to moderate. His strikeout rate is high as ever—perhaps he's changed the way he pitches badly

Meanwhile, the Cardinals continue to hit, including the question marks. Brendan Ryan's gift triple nearly completed the process of turning his horrifying pitcher-line into something that resembles a really bad hitter's season—.211/.291/.316 is, in fact (and finally), the second-worst season of his career, after the lost 2008 that facilitated his surprise 2009. Matt Holliday's sixth home run brings his season projection all the way to... 18, so we're still a ways from full-on Warren Harding normalcy. 

The only other real projection concern, as the Cardinals get a third of the way through their season and briefly make projecting really easy, is something you're likely to hear about from Al Hrabosky over the course of the next several weeks: Colby Rasmus's 178 strikeouts. Ready for a meaningless stat? 178 would leave Colby Rasmus second on the all-time single-season strikeout list for center fielders, behind our friend Preston Wilson (187) in 2000. It would also leave him out of the top ten; the top seven belong to active players, two each for Reynolds, Howard, and Dunn, and one for Jack Cust. I'll take 178 strikeouts if he also ends up with the projected 87 walks and 25 home runs.  

So the Cardinals reach their off-day doing the Tony La Russa-approved sensible thing: winning two games out of three, and against the division leaders. Today, a little more doggerel:

#

Aaron's Miles: A Clerihew Cycle

Ray King,
ex-G-U-B fling,
wore out his good graces
and found pitcher-unfriendly places.

Larry Bigbie,
like Eleanor Rigby,
lost-and-forgotten
friend of the rotten.

Mark Grudzielanek
a spell-checker's tonic,
he left in 05.
Jock: "He's too old to drive."

(Aaron Miles's
time-earning styleses—
stay in the back,
watch for keystone-time slack.)

Ronnie Belliard's
late-season disregard
for Aaron Miles's status quo
worked better than Jose Vizcaino.

(O Aaron Miles!
Lesser Russophiles
would Belliard hate,
but he just lay in wait.)

Adam Kennedy's
fan popularity
when he wasn't earning Edmond
was like Cupertino's in Redmond

(Aaron F. Miles!
His La Russian wiles
paid off like The Prince
after Kennedy's wince.

The Chicago Cubs
sensing paystubs,
Miles hunted the division
on a wallet-based decision.)

Tony L.R.—
after passing the bar—
could persuade Mo, heaven save us,
to sign up Miles Davis.

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Excellent work DanUp

Love the Larry Bigbie and Ray King references, I sometimes forget about them. And I smile when I remember them.

Formerly known as The_teague. F'in SBN.
'You're playing like Betty White out there!'
'That's not what you're girlfriend said.'

by Heisenberg on Jun 3, 2010 4:50 AM EDT reply actions  

I love it

Its like the replacement level version of this spectacular poem.

babip giveth... and babip taketh away

by purple_haze on Jun 3, 2010 5:07 AM EDT reply actions  

Miles Davis

was all kinds of gritty in his own right….

by nota bene on Jun 3, 2010 5:31 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

+1

the King of the Cool

"They're so stunned they didn't even boo!"
John Rooney 5/3/10 referring to Philly fans on Cards 5-run 7th inning

by gocards62 on Jun 3, 2010 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

That damn sasquatch

The bible declares an eye for an eye, so, let us now take our vengeance on this murderous ocean. . . You won't be hurting anyone anymore

by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jun 3, 2010 10:25 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

That's assault, brotha!

… do you double dare me???

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Jun 3, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

sooo hot

want to touch the heinie

Cardinals Baseball 2010...Catch the Infection!

by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Jun 3, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

no... no we didn't

but you can imagine what it would be like if we did!

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jun 3, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

"YOU KNOW WHAT?

“THERE REALLY IS NO EASTER BUNNY! THAT’S JUST A GUY IN A SUIT!”

;=8)

Big McLargehuge!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Jun 3, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

A bunny bathing suit?

Like, say a bikini?

/recallfrompreviousthread

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

by TBender on Jun 3, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

With actual bunnies. (tm)

The first thing that a pitcher has to understand is that Albert is better than you.-- Jim Palmer

by ilrosso on Jun 3, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dangit.

The first thing that a pitcher has to understand is that Albert is better than you.-- Jim Palmer

by ilrosso on Jun 3, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Random notes:

1) I love Chris Carpenter and, if medical science advances to a degree that makes it possible, want to have his babies.

2) Regarding our high post-counts: Bless You Boys, the Tigers’ SBN site, has a post up about Galarraga’s “perfect” game and the botched call, which as of now has 63 posts. I can only imagine if that happened to, I dunno, Jaime Garcia, we would literally be on our tenth 1000-post overflow by now…

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jun 3, 2010 6:18 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

You're a geneticist.

Get to work on #1.

Think; It's not illegal yet.

by azruavatar on Jun 3, 2010 7:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

and those 63

probably are not all regular Tiger fans.

by WyoCardsFan on Jun 3, 2010 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Angry mob

VivaElBirdos: Celebrating glorious mustaches since 2009

by redbirdnation8206 on Jun 3, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

send them to Bristol

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 3, 2010 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Connecticut

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 3, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Angry mob

You rang?

The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun

by mob16151 on Jun 3, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

how angry are you?

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 3, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well

considering the massive fight I’m having with a car dealership IRL, I’m pretty pissed lol

The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun

by mob16151 on Jun 3, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

sorry to hear that

well we can give you some GPS directions and some pitchforks
good luck

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 3, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'll take the GPS direction

I supply my own pitchforks, and torches ;-)

The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun

by mob16151 on Jun 3, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nice

VivaElBirdos: Celebrating glorious mustaches since 2009

by redbirdnation8206 on Jun 3, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Another called for instant replay

Denkinger

"They're so stunned they didn't even boo!"
John Rooney 5/3/10 referring to Philly fans on Cards 5-run 7th inning

by gocards62 on Jun 3, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

TLR reportedly said the call should be overturned

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 3, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

i'd like to hear his thinking on that

he’s apparently in favor of instant-replay then, which kind of surprises me. i disagree with him on the overturn. you can use this to make a case for instant replay if you want, but since it doesn’t exist you can’t use it to change calls. they would have to change the call that ended the twins-mariners game last night, too, which would mean a continuation.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 3, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

well: "reportedly"

I don’t exactly trust FESPN, and I missed the post-game.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 3, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

They would have to overturn a certain call in a certain WS, too.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 3, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

My quick take on instant reply

the main argument seems to be that it will ruin the continuity of the game. I think simply doing it in the style of the cricket (or, I think(?), NFL) authorities and giving the managers of each team, say, two or maybe three “appeals”.

If you appeal a decision it can go to the TV replay (I think you’d probably need a 5th umpire sat in a box somewhere, rather than doing it on the field of play, which means adding one guy to each crew, but I think it should be a “specialist”, rather than rotating a regular ump in and out, so as not to dilute the quality (or lack thereof) of the on-field crews).

If your appeal is upheld, you keep it. If it’s not, you lose it. That should keep it to one or two close calls per game. Field umpires have the final say over what the ultimate result of the play is, if there’s any contention about players taking extra bases etc.

If they’re still concerned about making the games too long (which I think they are anyhow), they need to start working on minimising the gap between innings, and perhaps getting rid of the 7th inning stretch. TV companies won’t like it for advertising reasons, but it would improve the game a lot IMO.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jun 3, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

if they bring in instant replay, they should have fewer commercials.

Carp hates those artificial breaks, for one. makes him angry.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 3, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

What aspects of the game are reviewable in cricket, Monk?

I curious as to how they go about it.

I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.
VEB: WWGTD

by The Continental on Jun 3, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Only out calls, I believe

There are two umpires on the field. Replays get referred to a third umpire who watches video replays to determine the true outcome and his decision is either radioed down to the on-field umpire or aired on the stadium’s video board.

by bailorg on Jun 3, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks, bailorg.

I just pulled this from the Wiki (all hail!)

It is used in the areas of run outs, stumpings, doubtful catches and whether the ball has crossed the boundary for a six or short of a four.

Also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_umpire An interesting system.

I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.
VEB: WWGTD

by The Continental on Jun 3, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

that wiki entry needs updating really

as per what I said in the post below. The referral system is a fairly new thing, however, and I suspect there’s probably a separate article.

ah, here we are:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umpire_Decision_Review_System

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jun 3, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I knew you'd set me straight, if need be.

You da man.

I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.
VEB: WWGTD

by The Continental on Jun 3, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

actually, that's far from the full story

It is used routinely for run-out and stumping calls. These are the equivalent of groundout situations in baseball.

It can also be used for contentious catches where the contention comes from whether or not the ball carries – the equivalent in baseball is a short flyball hit over the infield, where an OFer has to run in and either catches it cleanly or “traps” it with the ground in his glove. These are, in practice, quite difficult to rule on in cricket, and are usually given “not out”.

It is also used routinely for checking whether a ball has crossed the boundary rope. This is the equivalent to using it for checking if a HR is foul/fair, or above or below the line.

These two examples above are what bailorg describes. This has been used for about 10 years now, at least, and is available in most professional games.

However, in the last 2 years they have pioneered using it in some matches for ALL decisions, where the bowling team OR the batting team appeal against a decision (in conjunction with technologies like “hawkeye”, which shows where the trajectory of the ball would likely go after it hits a batsman and is reputedly very accurate, and “hotspot”, an infra-red camera which shows when a ball has tipped the edge of a bat by showing up, as the name suggests, as a hot spot on the bat, although I think this has only been used once or twice as the tech is expensive and not widely available. They also use video replay and super-slo-mo cameras).

This is a VERY major change as it essentially takes all decisions out of the umpire’s hands; they still make all the decisions, but, as the batting and fielding team each have three appeals or “referrals” to the video umpire, in practice, any contentious decision is referred, and it should more or less minimise mistakes. The rule is that the video ump can only overturn an obviously wrong decision, but, with the technology above I described, they probably get it right 99%+ of the time.

The equivalent in baseball would be unworkable, as it would have an umpire STILL calling balls and strikes, but the pitcher or hitter could query/refer any decision and the decision would either be looked at by pitchFX or some other tool to see if the pitch was a strike or not, or it would be referred to a TV umpire with an auto strike zone drawn (or some sort of technology). I think in baseball it would have to be more immediate, and you would have to basically have a robot calling balls/strikes.

The cricket version has, in my opinion, worked VERY well when it’s been used (one or two errors but mostly I think it’s improved decision making), however, there is/was some opposition to it. For instance, I am going to the match between England and Bangladesh tomorrow, in Manchester. The two captains of the teams decided NOT to use the referrals/3rd umpire procedure in this series, so it will not be implemented. Any bad decisions will therefore stand as per the on-field umpire. In practice, this is probably worse than baseball, as, in a typical test match, I’d say there will be at least 3 or 4 instances when a batsman is given “out” incorrectly, and probably many more close calls when they’re given the benefit of the doubt when in fact they should’ve been out (benefit of any doubt goes to the batting team). I think, in baseball, a few balls and strikes are missed but there probably isn’t the sheer number of close/difficult decisions that there is in cricket, due to the complexity of the rules on giving a batsman out, and the foibles of the umpires.

Sorry for the length of post. Basically I think the cricket system I described for ALL decisions would work for baseball on bang-bang calls and contentious catches, as well as fair/foul balls, BUT I do not think it is workable for ball/strikes calls. I think it should be implemented as I described above. I think it’s also quite similar to the thing when the football coaches throw their ickle yellow handkerchiefs on the field, but I know next to nothing about that game.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jun 3, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Guess I'm going to have to read up on cricket,

just to find out what the hell stumping is.lol

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 3, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Careful. Sounds like it could be NSFW.

(Yes, I’m kidding.)

"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols

by splhcb67 on Jun 3, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

there is no baseball equivalent

the bowler bowls (throws w/ a straight arm) the ball at a batsman. The batsman stands in a box, as in baseball (called the crease). He has a wicket (some sticks) behind him the bowler tries to hit (like a strike zone, i guess). The wicketkeeper is like the catcher, he stands behind the wicket. If the batsman comes out of his crease to attack the ball, misses it, it goes through to the keeper and he breaks the wicket with the ball, he is out stumped. Youtube “cricket stumping” for further info.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jun 3, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the explanation.

Sounds like an interesting game. Bill Bryson tried to describe listening to a cricket game on the radio while in Australia. He likened it to listening to golf on the radio for someone that knew nothing of golf.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 3, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's a great radio game, if you know what's going on in general

many of my formative sporting experiences involved listening to test cricket on longwave radio in the middle of the night broadcast from australia. Kinda like the experience many of you probably had with listening to Shannon or whoever on your local sports broadcast station in the US.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jun 3, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah, Test cricket.

I miss the tea breaks.

blarg

by chalk on Jun 3, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd have to see it played first to be able to play the game in my mind whilst listening to the radio.

Otherwise, you might as well be describing cribbage.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 3, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

St. Louis Cricket! Since 1958!

(no, I haven’t been to one of their matches yet)

I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.
VEB: WWGTD

by The Continental on Jun 3, 2010 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

TL;BA

Too long; British Accent

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

by TBender on Jun 3, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Rather!

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jun 3, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

But seriously, thanks for the breakdown

Ultimate Frisbee has a “captains’ agreement” built in to the rules as well.

The teams can decide to throw out parts of the rulebook if both sides agree. They’ve done this mostly with adjusting rules for Co-Ed games (number of men/women per side) and also with the somewhat newly implemented officials and observers.

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

by TBender on Jun 3, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've honestly never heard of this agreement

And I play at a fairly high level

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jun 3, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Used to be in the opening paragraphs of the rules.

Still is. Introduction, paragraph 3.

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

by TBender on Jun 3, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, I guess since we generally play in UPA (USA Ultimate?) sanctioned tournaments

The rules never change.

Funny story: We were playing in a tournament at San Luis Obispo against a SLO Alumni team. There was an argument on the field, and after awhile, one of their players asks, “Wait… what edition of the rules are you using?” When we inform him that we’re using 11th, he exclaims, “Fuck! I’m still using 8th edition!”

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jun 3, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

It doesn't come up often (or didn't when I played).

The rules are simple enough that they don’t need a lot of adjustment.

Just those two previous points and the occasional shorten/lengthening of the game, is all I ever saw.

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

by TBender on Jun 3, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

College and club also used to be considered differently

The 11th edition is the official UPA wide acceptance of the Callahan (college) rules.

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

by TBender on Jun 3, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting.

I didn’t realize the cricket replay was so comprehensive. Thanks.

I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.
VEB: WWGTD

by The Continental on Jun 3, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Okay, since you've gotten me thinking about it...

There have been several times in my life when I’ve wanted to try to understand cricket. Every time, I start looking at all the rules and whatnot, and it makes my head hurt. Baseball seems, to me, to be a much easier game to grasp…but then I wonder if that’s just because, being an American, I grew up with it. As someone who has knowledge of both games, am I way off base (no pun intended) here, or is cricket actually as insane a game as I think it is?

"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols

by splhcb67 on Jun 3, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it's as easy to pick up as baseball, from a formative point of view

and yet the complexities and nuances of the game are equally as complex.

I have taken english friends to baseball games (in japan and the usa) who didn’t understand the game at all, beyond the simplest of rules, and they’ve really struggled to pick up on the intricacies, too.

In many ways I think cricket might be easier to get into from a purely aesthetic standpoint – there’s kinda “more to” the simple aspects of the game; you can appreciate the good shots and good balls with even a very limited understanding of what’s going on. With baseball, I think it’s aesthetically slightly less easy to grasp, because of the apparently nebulous nature of the strike zone, and the idea of the “count”, which is harder to appreciate from a batter vs thrower contest point-of-view. You have to able to appreciate pitching dominance or hitting skill in different ways in baseball; I think in cricket those aspects are more immediate.

The main barrier to getting into cricket is really the sheer length of the game (even T20 cricket lasts about as long as a baseball game, and it’s derided by a lot of old timers for being a bastardised, meaninglessly short version of the game, though I quite like it and I think the T20 world cup would be the easiest way for a baseball fan to get interested).

Baseball seems, to me, to be a much easier game to grasp…but then I wonder if that’s just because, being an American, I grew up with it.

Yes, that’s definitely the case. I think also baseball has an unfair advantage in that regard as it’s internationally more famous; a lot of the slang terms from baseball are known worldwide even if the game isn’t (covering all the bases, three strikes and you’re out, etc etc) and people in england are broadly aware of the most basic rules and have heard of Babe Ruth and Joe DiMaggio. Cricket is, I would say, basically unknown outside of the nations that play it, even though it’s probably more widely played AND watched internationally than baseball is.

What you describe above is also a barrier to getting an interest, of course – when I started watching baseball, I was vaguely aware of what the rules were and what everyone was trying to achieve. I assume for an american, this is not so much the case in cricket. As with my interest in baseball, the easiest way to learn anything about cricket is simply to watch a lot of it, but again, like I said, the length of the game (one of its great strengths IMO) makes that difficult. I think T20 is going to be the version of the game that gets more countries involved, FWIW.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jun 3, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also FWIW

Cricket is, in some ways, a much better game to watch live at the venue because you see more of the game from an “imperfect” vantage point than you do with baseball, and the bigger grounds have replays that actually show all the important stuff happening. Not having live replays at MLB games is a real shame IMO. I guess if you know nothing about baseball, attend a live game and sit somewhere other than behind home plate (which you realistically will unless you’re a millionaire), you would be utterly baffled by it. I know I’ve had this experience with people I’ve taken to ballparks before.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jun 3, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why pick that insect to naem the game after?

why not fire ant, or wolf spider, or Notiocryptorrhynchus punctatocarinulatus (a weevil)? Heck, why not weevil?

Big McLargehuge!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Jun 3, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

OIC...

hard to keep calling people Notiocryptorrhynchus punctatocarinulatus-ers…
:=8/

Big McLargehuge!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Jun 3, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting.

I have what I’d consider to be a vague awareness of some of the rules of cricket…I think part of my difficulty with it, honestly, probably lies in seeing it in comparison to baseball. From the little that I know (and you can feel free to correct any misconceptions I might have), it seems that batting is, far and away, the most important part of the game, with fielding basically non-existent and bowling of greatly reduced importance as compared to pitching in baseball. And, though I know they’re two different games, and need to be appreciated as such, they’re similar enough that comparison, at least within my own brain, is inevitable. And, yeah, the length of test matches is a bit hard for me to wrap my head around when we’ve got people in America complaining that 3 hour baseball games are too long.

Oh, also: I think there are at least some MLB parks that have live replays. I’ve seen them at Busch a number of times. And yes, I can see how it would be tough to get anything about baseball unless you sit behind home plate…though you don’t necessarily have to be a millionaire. My favorite seats in a ballpark are directly behind home plate…in the upper deck. You can get a great overview of the game there, and it’s upper deck prices.

"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols

by splhcb67 on Jun 3, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, I went to Old Yankee last year and sat behind home plate right at the top of the top deck

I realise there are probably closer vantage points in smaller stadiums, but I still felt a long way from seeing what was going on in terms of pitch location (with binoculars I think you could manage it better).

From the little that I know (and you can feel free to correct any misconceptions I might have), it seems that batting is, far and away, the most important part of the game, with fielding basically non-existent and bowling of greatly reduced importance as compared to pitching in baseball.

I think it depends somewhat on the format of the game. If you’ve seen 20-20 or T20 cricket (the form closest to baseball), batting is by far and away the most important aspect as it’s difficult to bowl teams out (get all their batters out) in the short time-frame of the game, so it just becomes an exercise in damage limitation, from a bowling point of view.

Conversely, fielding is probably more important in some respects in the shorter versions of the game (at least, ground fielding and throwing) as run prevention is the name of the game. In the longer form (test cricket), fielding is important, but only mainly from the point of view of CATCHING the ball. There is an old adage, “catches win matches”. You will never win if you drop everything although, realistically, I think the difference between good and terrible fielding sides in cricket is probably closer than in baseball.

Test cricket, however, (the five day version) makes bowling VERY important, just as much so as batting, because you NEED to take 20 wickets (get 20 guys out, or, basically, get the other team all out twice) to actually win the game. It is not possible to win otherwise. Sabremetric-type stats are not as advanced in cricket in any way as they are in baseball, but I’d imagine that having a world-class bowler is actually BETTER than having a world-class batsman in some cases in the longer form of the game. A bowler can almost win a game on his own, whereas you realistically need 2 or 3 batsmen to make big scores to win a game from that point of view.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jun 3, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think also re: batting vs bowling

in baseball there’s only one pitcher at any one time, and the SP is basically critical in any one game. In cricket, each team usually has 4-6 bowlers, who will rotate on and off through the game. So from that point of view, they’re INDIVIDUALLY less vital than the SP in baseball, but collectively as important. Also, the SP only takes the ball one day in five, so that ultimately dilutes his importance to be equal to that of a cricket bowler, at least in test matches.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jun 3, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Okay, I can see that.

Again, I think I just need to stop seeing everything through baseball eyes…I mean, when you talk about five day long games, and needing to get 20 guys out (as compared, of course, to 27 guys out in around 3 hours)…it just sounds like a hitter’s game to my baseball-attuned ears. But I can totally see how a top-notch bowler, in that sense, can be far more valuable than a similar starting pitcher in baseball.

And that video below is hilarious.

"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols

by splhcb67 on Jun 3, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

there was a book by a guy called ed smith who played briefly for england about 10 years ago

he’s a big baseball fan too, and spent some time with a couple of MLB teams in spring training. It was about comparing the two games in various ways. Quite interesting if you’re (like me) a fan of both, although also quite basic in a way if you actually know about both games.

One of the major (obvious) conclusions is that the “onus” of success is on the opposite force in both games – when a pitcher pitches, he’s “expected” to get the hitter out. When a batter bats in cricket, he’s “expected” to NOT get out.

Thus, in cricket, runs are less valuable and less of a big thing (like, say, outs in baseball) but if the home team takes a wicket (gets a guy out) it’s a big thing and everyone goes crazy. You just have to realise the advantage in cricket, from that respect, is with the offensive side (hence scores in the hundreds, rather than a couple, of runs).

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jun 3, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

So, taking a wicket is the home run of cricket.

Well, now driving on the left and Westlife make so much more sense: everything’s backwards in the UK!

"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols

by splhcb67 on Jun 3, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Westlife?!

well I never. I’m not sure I could name one of their songs. They’ve had a lot of number ones I think.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jun 3, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, I can't, either.

I just know that they’re some crap pop boy band that’s been huge over there, but they’ve never done a thing on the US charts.

"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols

by splhcb67 on Jun 3, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

same with most UK bands these days

it’s odd the ones that “make it” vs those that don’t. I imagine, culturally, it might be quite interesting. I’d never have thought the Spice Girls would be big in the US, but there you go. Likewise Bush, who I think were pretty big over there, are basically unknown here. Odd.

I guess it’s more the case with pop groups, who are “tailored” quite cynically to an audience’s tastes. If the audience they’re aiming for is the UK under-13 girl market, you’d imagine that it might not fly so well in the States.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jun 3, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

True.

And, yes, Bush was rather big over here. Glycerine is probably one of my favorite 5 or 10 songs from the 90s.

"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols

by splhcb67 on Jun 3, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sixteen Stone was/is awesome

Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")

by STLRegalia on Jun 3, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think

Led Zeppelin would be the canonical example of a British group that did better in the States than in the UK….

by nota bene on Jun 3, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Conversely, you had artists like Hendrix that had to go to the UK to find initial success.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 3, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

And the Ramones!

:=8)

Gabba gabba we accept you, one of us one of us!
Gabba gabba we accept you, one of us one of us!

Big McLargehuge!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Jun 3, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I completely forgot about them.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 3, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really?

I dunno, Led Zepp are pretty enormous here too. The big groups that tend to do better in the US than the UK IMO are mostly what I’d call “US Radio rock”. The only example of a british band (that ended up being mostly american) that are huge in the states but less so here would be Fleetwood Mac.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jun 3, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

was speaking about during their heyday

the British critics hated LZ in the 60s & 70s IIRC

by nota bene on Jun 3, 2010 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oddly enough,

I know a bunch of people that can’t stand them now. And Page really gets ripped for being a 3 chord player. Even though he started out playing for the Yardbirds, which were a blues band. And blues, oddly enough, is 3 chord music. Wonder why nobody beats up on blues players for playing 3 chords?

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 3, 2010 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

The meme of a thousand uses.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 3, 2010 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

IMHO

I would not describe Page as a “three-chord player”.

by nota bene on Jun 4, 2010 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

I can't stand 'em....

…F’n hippies!
:=8P

Big McLargehuge!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Jun 4, 2010 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

the only thing that rhymes with UZR

is Loo-zee-arr

or you’re doing it wrong.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jun 3, 2010 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

A five day game?

No shit? I don’t think I could take that. I had read an article some years back talking about professional cricket and the extreme pressure that they were under. Pressure to the point that some of them killed themselves from it. I think I remember a passing reference to the games being days long. I thought it was a typo of some sort.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 3, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's true.

of course, with modern media cycles that’s way too long, so they have shorter versions (limited overs cricket, Twenty20) but the highest level of international competition is still five day tests.

blarg

by chalk on Jun 3, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

to me

that’s just like a playoff series in baseball. Takes same number of days but they’re not out there all day. And the individual games aren’t really what’s important, it’s who wins the whole series.

by nota bene on Jun 3, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

and

during a day they actually only play 6 hours. Given the average baseball game is 3-4 hours (and american football’s long too, isn’t it, I’m sure the superbowl is usually more than 3 hours long) that’s not a crazy amount of time. There are two short meal breaks, so if you’re at the ground you just go for something to eat then.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jun 3, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think that article sounds very hyperbolic

outside of the indian subcontinent (India and Pakistan mainly) there’s really not that much pressure on cricketers. They play every day more or less like baseball players but they aren’t under as much scrutiny (or, indeed, paid as much, which might be part of it).

One of the mental issues that has affected some players (only 2 or 3 I can think of, and they’ve mostly dealt with it in some way) would be overseas tours – mostly pro international players will, in the winter, be away from home on cricket “tours” of another country, ofetn for 2-3 months. Some people don’t like being away from families that long and it can create pressure. However, I think they’re very much in the minority. England seem to have had more players with problems of that sort than most but, really, it’s no worse than people who (say) work away from home or overseas a lot, and families can always come out to visit if they want.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jun 3, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're right, FM

cricket is not that difficult to pick up, at least the T20 version. I am an American but lived in Australia in the 1990s for 6 months when a cricket World Cup was going on there. A friend explained the basic rules to me while we were watching a match and I picked up the game fairly quickly.

by CRay on Jun 3, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

when I was in England & Ireland in 07

a few times we walked into a bar pub when they had cricket on. (Usually it was soccer or rugby.) I stood there and watched a good half hour of it one time. It was cool, if more than a little confusing.

I did come away with the impression that it is a much less violent game than baseball.

by nota bene on Jun 3, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would say the opposite, violence-wise

it’s just more sanctioned. There is no charging the mound, no fist-fights (although I can’t remember the last time I saw that in a baseball game), but, unlike baseball, you can and are in fact encouraged to try to physically hit and injure the batsman with the ball.

It’s a pretty hard ball, bit like a baseball but slightly smaller and bouncier and with a single hemispherical seam that is very raised, and it hurts to get hit with (hence all the protection). I don’t think it’s as bad as getting beaned in baseball due to the fact the ball bounces, but it’s still being bowled at 90+mph by some guys.

See
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPJg3kZCpGs&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJ70wtD-fLA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-NNkbFS6FE&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChB2nqwfRzA

All legal and very much encouraged.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jun 3, 2010 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

you can get replay in darts?

Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")

by STLRegalia on Jun 3, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

no. The players are so fat they actually bend light

thus TV cameras are useless.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jun 3, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

nice

I just got some odd looks from my staff as I could not suppress a laugh

Cardinals Baseball 2010...Catch the Infection!

by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Jun 3, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's the kiss of death right there

I dunno how even someone as out of touch as Bud Selig can just blithely ignore the need for replay any longer.

by nota bene on Jun 3, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks

for bringing back the nightmares that I had just got over in 2006

by Macarver hater on Jun 3, 2010 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, and Bud....

If you want to retrospectively alter that call, that would be……
Perfect…..

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jun 3, 2010 6:20 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

....

"They're so stunned they didn't even boo!"
John Rooney 5/3/10 referring to Philly fans on Cards 5-run 7th inning

by gocards62 on Jun 3, 2010 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Whoa, I just heard about Carlos Matias

If this guy is REALLY eighteen, high 90s velo, good control AND a he’s already developing a change… thats the best pitcher besides Taillon in the draft.

babip giveth... and babip taketh away

by purple_haze on Jun 3, 2010 7:36 AM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, I dunno...

second best high school aged arm, at least.

babip giveth... and babip taketh away

by purple_haze on Jun 3, 2010 7:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

in any case

Pomeranz doesn’t have high 90s velo

babip giveth... and babip taketh away

by purple_haze on Jun 3, 2010 8:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

I hope this signing doesn't mean we have to tread lightly for our first round draft pick

I still have my eyes on Austin Wilson…

babip giveth... and babip taketh away

by purple_haze on Jun 3, 2010 8:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think it increases the likelihood that they take a risk

as the Cards have already signed a very young, high ceiling player for the farm, they may be less concerned with the signability of a guy like Wilson. If they don’t get the guy signed, so what… they already got Matias. They’ll just get that pick back next draft.

by stxcardsfan on Jun 3, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

that was my thinking too

and also that it increases the chances of taking wilson specifically (if they really like him) because they might be less-inclined to take a pitcher than they would have been.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 3, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think (hope) that our activity of the last 12-18 months means that we're nowhere near as "risk averse" in terms of drafting and development as we were a few years back

We’ve taken the best player, regardless of position, left on the board in the last two drafts, and have spent money on high-upside international signings the last two years. I’m pretty confident we won’t see any more Kozma-type picks, especially with the financial commitment on the major league roster long-term meaning we NEED to produce quality players from the farm. We’ve got more mid-level, projectable talent esp. in the high minors than most seem to think (as Luhnow himself has complained) and I think the org realise the need to make high-upside picks to supplement this with real talent.

I almost wonder if the Kozma pick isn’t a slight blessing in disguise, in that it was (hopefully) the final nail in the coffin of uber-conservative, under-slot first round selections.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jun 3, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

one of the best fastballs at any level?

color me interested.

At 6 feet, 165 pounds, Matias has a loose delivery and an electric fastball that can sit in the mid-90s and routinely hits 97-99 mph, according to several scouts from other organizations. Between the velocity and cutting action on his fastball, it is a true 80 pitch on the 20-80 scouting scale, already one of the best fastballs at any level of baseball.

by jeff_abs on Jun 3, 2010 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

according to mlbtr

he was originally signed by the red sox for 160k, but then suspended one year after failing the mlb investigation – no idea why, but could have been an identity more than an age problem.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 3, 2010 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's the best part of the signing,

the Red Sox are apparently pissed that there contract was voided after the investigation. And in looking for particulars of the investigation, all I can find are references to age and identity. Nothing too specific.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jun 3, 2010 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

the kid had a good year

made well over a million bucks for himself for the suspension. of course, he didn’t have that same fastball when the sox signed him.

i don’t know where that quote above comes from, but if it’s really an 80 fastball already then that’s really amazing, and a bargain. michael ynoa (or inoa), who the a’s signed a couple years back for 4.5 mil, was a monster at that age – 6’7" i believe – with a fastball scouts thought could eventually hit 100 mph, and it graded 55/70 (present/future).

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 3, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

from what I hear he has a ton of movement, too

almost like a mid-high 90s cutter. Colour me sceptical for now…

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jun 3, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Didn't the term "color me"

go away in the mid-90’s too, with Living Color?
(sarcasm)

;=8)

Big McLargehuge!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Jun 3, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

he's referring to a popular american comedy from the 90s

called “In Living Color”

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jun 3, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Or the band Living Colour

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

by TBender on Jun 3, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

It Preceded stuff like

“Word Up” and “Peace Out”, and “Living Large”, and “Da Bomb” and “Kickin it” and “Dawg” and (my personal favorite) “All that and a Bag of Chips”

Big McLargehuge!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Jun 3, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Homey don't play dat.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Jun 3, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I use "Word up" and "Dawg" all the time.

As well as “homey”. I think it works better with an english accent.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jun 3, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Depends on which English accent.

I know a guy from Manchester who often uses such words, and hearing it just makes me want to commit suicide.

blarg

by chalk on Jun 3, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

perhaps that's why he persists?

Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")

by STLRegalia on Jun 3, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

I can assure you it’s 100% ironic, dawg.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jun 3, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

And the monocle

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

by TBender on Jun 3, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

hard to get away with those catch phrases...

…while dunking crumpets into a spot of tea…
;=8)

Big McLargehuge!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Jun 3, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

i am a coffee drinker, personally

and I don’t like my toast done on one side (I have no idea where Sting even got that from, FWIW, i’ve never heard of it…)

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jun 3, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Where do you stand...

on shepherd’s pie and bangers & mash?

Big McLargehuge!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Jun 3, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love bangers and mash

I’m not very keen on shepherds pie.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jun 3, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

i've been searching in vain

for what exactly he was investigated for.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 3, 2010 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Everything I've seen seemed to indicate it was just a standard age investigation

except that he failed it.

"And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is ALBERT when I lay my vengeance upon thee." -The Bible

by Cardinals645 on Jun 3, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think it all depends on the date that the Red Sox signed him as the kid had lied about his age.

If they signed him before the July 2nd international signing date and he was not 18 or older, then the contract probably had to be voided. That’s my guess. The fact that he is now 18 (hopefully) allows us to sign him before the July 2nd international date.

by stxcardsfan on Jun 3, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

dominican player lying

that he is older than he actually is? weird

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jun 3, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

i had the impression he passed himself off to the sox as 16

when he was really 17, and now after a year’s suspension he’s 18…unless he’s 19, in which case add a year to each of those.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 3, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

if we just wait long enough, he'll be old enough, right?

haha

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 3, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

...wait.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 3, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Now I have this image in my head

of Timmeh Lincecum getting paddled in the butt by Ben Affleck.
Damn you, VEB.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Jun 3, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Never picture anything you read on VEB

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

by TBender on Jun 3, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

wut

how did tim linecum get in there?

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jun 3, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's what...

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 3, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

she said.

badum tiss

The first thing that a pitcher has to understand is that Albert is better than you.-- Jim Palmer

by ilrosso on Jun 3, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

well done sir

 a rec for you

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jun 3, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was thinking he had said he was older than what he is

so I thought maybe he did it so he wouldn’t have to wait for the signing date to get a contract. I’m probably getting things mixed up. You’re right though that it would be weird for a dominican player to claim he is older rather than younger.

by stxcardsfan on Jun 3, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was under the impression he was '18' now

but just read (at the P-D?) that he was ‘19’.

Just checked. Goold’s article says the club understands he is 19, but it then cites an article that says his birthdate is 9/2/1991 (which would make him 18 now, and 19 in September).

Geez, we can’t even get his declared age straight; I hope he gets approved.

"And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is ALBERT when I lay my vengeance upon thee." -The Bible

by Cardinals645 on Jun 3, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

how's his vision?

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 3, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

people should constantly ask him his name, too.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 3, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

if he spelled carlos as calros...

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 3, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

cralos!

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 3, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

ah, yeah, that's the one

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 3, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

release the cralos!

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jun 3, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions   3 recs

nickname?

potentially?

babip giveth... and babip taketh away

by purple_haze on Jun 3, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's a little early

shelby doesn’t even have one

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 3, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know

but Cralos is just too good.

babip giveth... and babip taketh away

by purple_haze on Jun 3, 2010 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

grabiel agrees

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 3, 2010 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Chicagoland and Comcast

Last night was at least the second time that my cable provider here in the northern burbs has decided to avoid showing ESPN baseball games featuring the Cardinals.

The first was opening day when Tiger had his news conference, which overrode the CIN v STL game. This would have been understandable for the couple minutes that he was at the podium, but they continued to talk about it for the next two hours, pre-empting my game, while the exact same thing was being broadcast on three other ESPN channels at the same time. Technically, this wasn’t a real issue, as EI had their free deal going.

The latest was last night for no apparent reason. Comcast just decided that nobody wanted to watch our tilt with the Reds and we would prefer to have our choice of two channels showing ESPN news. Again, not really a problem for me, as I have the MLB.tv package. I’m pretty sure that the cable company has done it at least one other time switching programs on the MLB Network as well, plus a couple Blues games on Versus. Mind you, not switching to another actual game in progress, but just random crap or nothing at all.

If Comcast ends up bumping Cardinal broadcasts because they’re playing Chicago and they have to give preference to the local cable options, that’s fair and fine with me. But it seems like they take delight in pulling games for no good reason. [/irrational rant]

I was reading about how countless species are being pushed toward extinction by man's destruction of forests. Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us. - Calvin, Scientific Progress Goes "Boink", Watterson

by Solanus on Jun 3, 2010 8:28 AM EDT reply actions  

Weird....

…the game was on MLB package and ESPN last night; I stuck with Dan & Al, and suffered through the strange local St. Louis cowmmercials (you folks shop at a place called Shnook’s???). it was GREAT to see Carp pitching moore like his old self, and I had to smile a bit when he plunked Johnny “the Lesser Big Donkey” Gomes. And has anyone else noticed Skip’s new approach at the plate these days? Moore willing to go the udder way and showing a bit moore pop (couple of SFs to deep center). Watching Lesser Big Donkey blow Boog’s line drive was a chuckle too, but Bruce looked damned good tossing out Skip at second. Good idea, bad result – he forced Bruce to come up with a perfect throw, which he did.

Good game, glad I sat and munched on Pizza Hut thin-crust while I watched it. Cinnamon bread sticks with icing rock!

:=8D

Big McLargehuge!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Jun 3, 2010 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

what do you mean you folks?

Gomes is quickly climbing in my hated player rankings. I think I met him when I took a wrong turn in a trailer park one summer

Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")

by STLRegalia on Jun 3, 2010 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Was Gomes in a ninja costume and kicking ass?

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jun 3, 2010 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

I take it you saw my comment that the same guy

then told me Ozzie wasn’t a Hall of Famer, that Ozzie could not do anything well on a baseball field except gymnastics, that Ozzie only stole 430 bases and was caught stealing 340 times (which I called B.S. on), and that Dave Concepcion and Omar Vizquel were better at defense. (I am only making sure of this because of your signature.)

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jun 3, 2010 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

I told him that Ozzie Smith was in the top 100 in career WAR,

and he looked at me and started to talk, but I interrupted him, saying, “I’m a gonna let you finish, but in Wins Above Replacement. Ozzie Smith is in the top 100 of ALL TIME.” The bartender laughed at this. He then asked what the hell that stat was and told me I was making it up and that no .262 hitter should be in the Hall of Fame.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jun 3, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Did you get a chance to pull your shades off

and go all out Caruso on the guy? It could have been the VEB meme trifecta.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jun 3, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Everyone but Bob Gibson.

/too lazy to actually check and see if his average actually was above .262

"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols

by splhcb67 on Jun 3, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

.206

but still, better than boog

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jun 3, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

no it's worse now

boog’s batting .211

/moral victories

Rasmus can hit lefties
cardinalred
St. Louis Sports blog

by stlcardsfan4 on Jun 3, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Booged!

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 3, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

After that play,

I told my new friend that Gomes did not look very ninja-like on that play.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jun 3, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Perfect

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

by TBender on Jun 3, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

red reporter even posts that one

apparently they enjoy it as much as we do, even though they love gomes

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 3, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

If it were legal, I would have sex with this picture

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jun 3, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

dude

use the towels.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 3, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

(Obligatory South comment)

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

by TBender on Jun 3, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure that's legal.

Mechanically inconvenient, but legal.

I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.
VEB: WWGTD

by The Continental on Jun 3, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

...

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jun 3, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Execution to the max

VivaElBirdos: Celebrating glorious mustaches since 2009

by redbirdnation8206 on Jun 3, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

*Gets joke*

*Also, is the one who made that picture for FJM

by mojowo11 on Jun 3, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I got a huge kick out of that mini-meme

Here it is.

My personal favorite part can be seen after a bit of scrolling, in the middle of the disection of the José Mota article. Take it away, José and Junior…

Traditional National League style means a manager not sitting with arms crossed and waiting on the homer to win ballgames.
It means a manager wildly flailing his arms around and loudly shouting at his team to “STOP FUCKING HOMERING ALL THE GODDAMN TIME,” and then having Adam Dunn attempt to bunt repeatedly.

Every time I hear an announcer say something to the effect of “They’re scoring runs, but they’re all HR’s!” I picture that team’s hitting coach and/or manager sitting in the dugout “wildly flailing his arms around and lously shouting at his to team to STOP FUCKING HOMERING ALL THE GODDAMN TIME!!!” I would love to actually see that happen too. Like if Pujols got on a tear and Mac went up to him and told him to knock that shit off and move runners better or something like that. We need FJM back.

VivaElBirdos: Celebrating glorious mustaches since 2009

by redbirdnation8206 on Jun 3, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ken Tremendous et al

are off to bigger and better things, like producing hilarious TV comedies for my personal enjoyment!

but yes, FJM was fucking God.

"...and pujols has given st louis the lead"
The Best Defensive Play I Have Seen in Person

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by tgreenfield on Jun 3, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Everybody knows the story of how Ryan from the Office got his name, right?

It’s pretty known that Ken Tremendous is a writer for the show, but more importantly, is Mose Schrute. Being the huge baseball fan he is, he looks at AAA Scranton’s best player, who happens to be slugger Ryan Howard. He then names BJ Novak’s character “Ryan Howard”

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jun 3, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

At least, that's what my friend told me

shrug

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jun 3, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

i did hear that

other fun fact about ken tremendous: he’s regis philbin’s son in law!

"...and pujols has given st louis the lead"
The Best Defensive Play I Have Seen in Person

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by tgreenfield on Jun 3, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's the word on the street

We’ve not seen Mose on the show recently, that I can recall.

VivaElBirdos: Celebrating glorious mustaches since 2009

by redbirdnation8206 on Jun 3, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

he's the writer of parks and recreation, isn't he?

i thought people liked that show (i’ve never seen it).

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jun 3, 2010 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is it?

See, I sort of ditched early this season after that weird Sister Cities episode. I don’t know, it just didn’t seem to click. But that’s what I said after the six-episodes they call “‘The Office,’ Season One,” and that rallied pretty well. So, should I give it another shot then?

VivaElBirdos: Celebrating glorious mustaches since 2009

by redbirdnation8206 on Jun 3, 2010 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like it.

That episode was uneven, but when they’re on they’re really good.

Regression, bitches.

by spants on Jun 3, 2010 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

My understanding is Schur and Greg Daniels were the show’s creators, and Wikipedia is backing me up on that one. Daniels was “The Office’s” (US) main developmental guy too.

VivaElBirdos: Celebrating glorious mustaches since 2009

by redbirdnation8206 on Jun 3, 2010 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

damnit i didnt know any of these things

that is amazingly awesome.

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jun 3, 2010 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

ohhhh how i miss FJM

can’t we have a spin off or something? dawson’s creek kept going, even after kevin williamson wasn’t a writer anymore.

um yeah, that’s the perfect analogy.

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jun 3, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

LOL

Except now that damn theme song is in my head.

Regression, bitches.

by spants on Jun 3, 2010 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I DON'T WANNA WAIT

FOR OUT LIVES TO BE OVERRRRRRRRRR

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jun 3, 2010 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

was that the show that started to list all the music used?

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 3, 2010 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I believe so.

Brilliant, really.

Regression, bitches.

by spants on Jun 3, 2010 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Miami Vice list

was in newspapers every week back in the Stone Age.

"A good catcher is the quarterback, the carburetor, the lead dog, the pulse taker, the traffic cop and sometimes a lot of unprintable things, but no team gets very far without one." – Miller Huggins

by vico on Jun 3, 2010 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just ignore the glaring typo

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jun 3, 2010 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's a great picture.

The first thing that a pitcher has to understand is that Albert is better than you.-- Jim Palmer

by ilrosso on Jun 3, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

i miss schnucks

and steak n shake.

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jun 3, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

steak n shake now has a more varied menu

it’s kind of awesome.
i wish they’d bring back the old commercials, though. the current ones are just two ticks from the new 6 travesty.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 3, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

when i had MLB extra innings

there were so many steak and shake commercials. mmmmm i may need to plan a trip back to the old stomping grounds. cards game, steak n shake, six flags, and stl bread company

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jun 3, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

they're Paneras, now.

I think there are a few that are still branded with the old BreadCo, but I haven’t checked lately.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 3, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

The one by my house is.

FWIW

The first thing that a pitcher has to understand is that Albert is better than you.-- Jim Palmer

by ilrosso on Jun 3, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

The ones in St. Louis didn't change.

I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.
VEB: WWGTD

by The Continental on Jun 3, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

i was about to be severely disappointed

raspberry cream cheese croissants are my favorite!

i miss stl. :-(

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jun 3, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bingo.

Regression, bitches.

by spants on Jun 3, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Steak & Shake = yum

they do have more stuff on the menu. Last time I was at one I had a jalapeno patty melt or something. Delish.

by nota bene on Jun 3, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I used to go to a Parkmoor - heart attack central on buns. . . 45 years later still miss it

An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.

HL Mencken

by akaitori on Jun 4, 2010 2:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

it's a walgreens now

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 4, 2010 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

In-n-out > Steak n Shake

They’re slightly different, but I only get burgers and shakes from SnS anyways. And in those aspects, In-n-out is superior

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jun 3, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Amen.

In-n-out > pretty much any other fast food burger joint. ’Course that could just be my California sneaking in.

The first thing that a pitcher has to understand is that Albert is better than you.-- Jim Palmer

by ilrosso on Jun 3, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know

I really love Steak N Shake cheese fries and the burgers are pretty unique. It’s a toss up for me really. I do love the In N’ Out. I may have to stop for a Double Double on the way home.

by OCCardsFan on Jun 3, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

People keep doing that...

but in my mind, there isn’t really a fair comparison between the two. Five Guys is a low end “gourmet burger” place; In n Out is a drive-thru. The burgers are different because they’re geared towards different purposes. In n Out is way faster than Five Guys.

That said, I like In n Out’s burgers better than Five Guys, but Five Guys’ fries are the bomb.

Eh, we’ll always disagree one some things, and you know what? I’m okay with that.

The first thing that a pitcher has to understand is that Albert is better than you.-- Jim Palmer

by ilrosso on Jun 3, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

i LOVE five guys fries

the regular doused in malt vinegar, the cajun just by themselves. oh man, i might have to go pick some up after i go to the gym in an hour or so (yes, yes, defeats the purpose, blah blah)

"...and pujols has given st louis the lead"
The Best Defensive Play I Have Seen in Person

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by tgreenfield on Jun 3, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Boo....

:=8/

Big McLargehuge!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Jun 3, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

love In n Out

but you know, its a nostalgic thing

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jun 3, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I moved from California to Missouri 4 years ago

And one of the things I was most anxious to try was Steak N Shake. I had been watching Extra Innings (the FSMW broadcast) for a couple of years and they kept showing all those commercials about the shakes. I gained 10 pounds in about 6 months.

In N Out does not have those great shakes.

"Have you ever thrown a ball 100 miles an hour? Everything hurts. Even your ass hurts. I see pictures of my face and say, 'Holy shit', but that's the strain you feel when you throw." ~ Bob Gibson

by spfldbird on Jun 3, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

True, true.

I love Steak n Shake’s shakes, but not their burgers…that’s like the only place where a triple cheeseburger is all that’ll fill me up and is also the only place where that burger will be 8 bucks.*

*price is a guesstimate.

The first thing that a pitcher has to understand is that Albert is better than you.-- Jim Palmer

by ilrosso on Jun 3, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

In-n-out:

Clockwork-Orange inspired Adult Entertainment eatery?

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jun 3, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Thanks, Felonius.

Now I’m going to think of that next time I’m gnawing on a delicious double-double.

The first thing that a pitcher has to understand is that Albert is better than you.-- Jim Palmer

by ilrosso on Jun 3, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

awesome

that book was such a difficult read…

"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."

by BVHeck on Jun 3, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

moloko vellocet?

real horrowshow in your guttywuts!

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jun 3, 2010 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I loved that book. And the movie.

And the 30-second Bunnies re-enactment.

Regression, bitches.

by spants on Jun 3, 2010 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

For those who have been to both...

How does In ’N Out compare to Burgerville? Burgerville is like the awesomest thing ever…

by mattisnotfrench on Jun 3, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Less cheese

More ultraviolence.

It’s a good tradeoff, I think.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jun 3, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was in the Bay Area last weekend

And I wanted to stop at the In ‘N Out Burger but my ever-loving fiancee talked me out of it because she said “they have nothing for vegetarians” (which I am). Burgerville’s Southwest Black Bean burger is the greatest veggie fast food ever invented.

by mattisnotfrench on Jun 3, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

They have a grilled cheese, which I've heard is quite good

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jun 3, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah.

They don’t have anything on the menu for a vegetarian. But as a general rule, they’ll make anything they can with the ingredients they have. So, you could order a grilled cheese, for example.

There aren’t too many good veggie fast food options, now that I think about it.

The first thing that a pitcher has to understand is that Albert is better than you.-- Jim Palmer

by ilrosso on Jun 3, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

burgerville shakes ftw

and walla walla onion rings. burgers…eh.

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jun 3, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wasn't terribly impressed with

the S&S’s up by us (northern Chicago burbs). I’ll take Culvers over them any day of the week. Just got done with a Bacon Deluxe Double Butterburger and an order of Chipotle Cheese Curds (snappy!).

Ms Bitters (Invader Zim): Children, your performance was miserable. Your parents will all receive phone calls instructing them to love you less now.

by Rejuvenile on Jun 3, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

hell yes culvers

got to love all that wisconsin has to offer. i, myself, like the custard.

"...and pujols has given st louis the lead"
The Best Defensive Play I Have Seen in Person

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by tgreenfield on Jun 3, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

culvers is pretty good

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jun 3, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

S&S has the Wisconsin Butter Burger.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 3, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yummy,

But no better than Ted Drewes.

"A good catcher is the quarterback, the carburetor, the lead dog, the pulse taker, the traffic cop and sometimes a lot of unprintable things, but no team gets very far without one." – Miller Huggins

by vico on Jun 3, 2010 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

deluxe double butterburger?

Do you live in suburban chicago or at hogwarts?

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Jun 4, 2010 2:07 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

SnS hates me.

SnS locations in Austin and Dallas. Not Houston. Bastards.

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

by TBender on Jun 3, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah that blew

I cant figure out the reasoning there.

by sdrone on Jun 3, 2010 9:04 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yeah that sucked.

Thankfully I had Extra Innings as a backup but I was really looking forward to watching the game in HD.

Gamethreads suck.

by stltrav09 on Jun 3, 2010 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Apparently, they did this on Sunday in Des Moines for the TBS broadcast,

despite the fact that no channel on our cable provider was carrying the Cards-Cubs game. (I defer to fourstick as to whether that is true.) I did not experience it, however, because I was at Wrigley.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jun 3, 2010 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

With the exception of Sunday Night Baseball...

Both ESPN and TBS national games are blacked out within the teams’ television territories.

So what you described in Des Moines was the case everywhere within the Cardinals’ very large TV territory, a large portion of which does not have access to KSDK broadcasts.

by LukeMP1186 on Jun 4, 2010 2:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Again, not really a problem for me, as I have the MLB.tv package.

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jun 3, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

lovely verse

grit and hustle = gristle

by awpierce on Jun 3, 2010 8:59 AM EDT reply actions  

Chris F. Carpenter.

miklasz Carpenter now 15-1 vs. NL Central since start of last season. about 10 hours ago via web

and I believe that makes Carp 75-25 as a Cardinal.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 3, 2010 9:50 AM EDT reply actions  

Perfection?

If you look at the ump’s eyes, you can see that he’s looking at the glove when he should be looking at the bag.

The ball will always make a sound when it enters the glove, so you look at the bag and see when the foot lands relative to when you hear the ball enter the glove. If you’re looking at the glove, you won’t always hear the foot on the bag, especially if the runner doesn’t hit the bag cleanly.

by thepainguy on Jun 3, 2010 9:55 AM EDT reply actions  

The ump blew it.

And, refreshingly, he admitted it to Galarraga and the press, tearfully. I feel for the guy because he made a mistake and he clearly is pained by the mistake. It’s too bad this happened to both Joyce and Galarraga. I don’t really remember ever having heard Joyce’s name before, which I suspect means that he is a pretty good umpire as I tend to only remember the bad ones.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jun 3, 2010 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

That was good to see

I don’t expect umpires to get every single call right. I do expect them to be men and own up to mistakes. I personally detest the macho-BS that a lot of umps like to pull, where they’ll never admit to being wrong and will make themselves part of the game with posturing and ejections and stuff. Joyce was willing to say that he blew it, that the replay showed he blew it, and that he was sick about the whole deal. Good, all of those things were true, and thank you, Jim, for doing the right thing. Do we ever hear from Angel Hernandez if he’s in that spot?

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by redbirdnation8206 on Jun 3, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

i watched the last two innings on mlb.tv archive

galarraga just smiled when the call was made. leyland came out but didn’t really argue, just asked for an explanation, nodded his head, and went back to the dugout. and the tigers broadcasters, after the replays, were basically “that’s a shame, darn it”. but cabrera jawed with joyce at first during the entire next at-bat (the runner took second, then third) and i thought he’d get tossed. i think the only reason he didn’t was joyce had a sick feeling in his gut already that he’d blown that one, and he definitely knew it walking off the field when leyland accosted him with “wait’ll you see the replay i just saw, you so-and-so…”

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 3, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

...
galarraga just smiled when the call was made.

by mojowo11 on Jun 3, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Looped like that he looks kind of creepy

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by redbirdnation8206 on Jun 3, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

he had the same exact smile looking out to center

after that great catch in the 9th.

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by cardball on Jun 3, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

This

The bible declares an eye for an eye, so, let us now take our vengeance on this murderous ocean. . . You won't be hurting anyone anymore

by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jun 3, 2010 10:59 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Or, even worse...

…if it was Joe West, I’m betting he’d somehow find a way to throw the entire Tigers team out of the game, declare a forfeit, and award the game to the Indians.

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by splhcb67 on Jun 3, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

the weirdest thing is

when guys are on their way to a PG or something like that, the umps nearly ALWAYS seem to get uber-liberal in their decisions in regard to the pitcher. I remember Braden had a couple of generous strike calls, and the Halladay game was LUDICROUS, the outside strike he was getting about 8 inches off the plate. Seems so strange that, on a bang-bang call, the 1B umpire wouldn’t give a close one to the pitcher on the FINAL OUT.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jun 3, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, that part was weird.

and I wonder too, if this is part of Detroit’s PFP curse. our pitchers automatically break to first base. Galarraga seemed surprised Cab took it for himself.

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by Yadi2Second on Jun 3, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

cabrera did pull a pujols

he never moves that much for a ball – he was the most upset of everyone, too. and it didn’t even qualify as bang-bang, imo – relatively, it wasn’t even close.

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by cardball on Jun 3, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

almost makes me wonder

if all the MLB umpires got a memo after the Halladay game saying “don’t do that, k”?

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by SleepyCA on Jun 3, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's what everybody on Bless You Boys was saying

before this happened, Joyce had a reputation as a good ump.

by nota bene on Jun 3, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Umpiring mechanics-wise

I don’t even think he’s in the right position to make the call. Especially since the ball ranged in between the 3 and 4 hole, Joyce should have angled a bit more and probably should’ve crouched. I’ve seen many umpires(including the 1B in the Cards game the other day) crouch to make those bang-bang calls and that would probably allow him to get eyes on both the bag and glove. Ugh. Just a bad call.

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by tgreenfield on Jun 3, 2010 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

to be fair to the guy

it’s probably pretty natural that your mind will wander when you’re umpiring at 1B and the 27th hitter is up in a perfect game….

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jun 3, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

when i work in the field

i’m usually mentally checked out by the 2nd inning. so, i guess you’re right

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by tgreenfield on Jun 3, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

amazing how hard it is to officiate

when i’m playing volleyball, I see the ref making a ton of mistakes. When I’m reffing, somehow I just struggle to see everything and I’m the one making a ton of mistakes that I’d be criticising if I was playing.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jun 3, 2010 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

BLS has what won't go into the record books:
• Fewest pitches (88) in a perfect game since Addie Joss’ 74 in 1908

• Shortest perfect game (1:44) since Koufax’s 1:43 in 1965

• The third perfect game in the 2010s, which would have put them one behind the 1990s for most perfect games thrown in a decade — one year into it.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
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by Yadi2Second on Jun 3, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Joe Pos must feel like a prophet

I gotta check him too, hmmm.

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by Yadi2Second on Jun 3, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Joe Pos is awesome.

this is not news…

A few headlines would label the call, "Questionable." It was not questionable. It was wrong. There was no mystery. There was no haze. There was no second opinion. There was no doubt.

There was only the harsh of reality: Jason Donald was out but he was not out. Galarraga had thrown a perfect game that would never be recorded. Jim Joyce had just made the call that would splatter his Wikipedia page and mark his baseball legacy forever. Twitter was about to light up like the Vegas strip at dusk.

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by Yadi2Second on Jun 3, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Joe Posnanski sums up (spoiler!):

“Dallas Braden’s perfect game was thrilling. Roy Halladay’s perfect game was art. But Armando’s Galarraga’s perfect game was a lesson in grace.”

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by Yadi2Second on Jun 3, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ah Poz

Always ready with the perfect words.

by mojowo11 on Jun 3, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

The next Jim Murray

An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.

HL Mencken

by akaitori on Jun 4, 2010 2:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

88 pitches

goodness. Seems to me Cone’s had some comparatively tiny number of pitches in it too. How many would it have been without pitching to the 28th man?

1:44 holy shit. That’s silly.

by nota bene on Jun 3, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

You cite the general rule correctly. . .

but FWIW, the exceptions to the rule are:

(1) when the crowd is too loud to allow you to hear the ball hit the glove, which could have been the case last night, and

(2) when the throw is a shorter toss that you would not expect to make an audible sound.

Both were reasons that Denkinger blew the call in the ’85 Series, BTW.

by SouthsideCardsFan on Jun 3, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

to your second point

i would add a good many bounced throws.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 3, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

on the bright side

a blown call is why Skip doesn’t slide in head-first anymore.

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by Yadi2Second on Jun 3, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed that there are exceptions

But if I had to choose, I would still choose the foot over the glove. You can check for control of the ball after the fact, but the same isn’t true of the foot. Either the foot was on time or it wasn’t.

It’s also easier to see the ball with your peripheral vision than the foot hitting the bag.

by thepainguy on Jun 3, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, but if the foot is down

and he’s still waiting for the ball, or doesn’t have control of the ball, then it doesn’t matter where his foot is.

i mean, i watched that play live (thanks to FESPN), and i assumed that the reason he missed the call was not because of where galaraga’s foot was, but because of where the ball was.

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by IHeartBoog on Jun 3, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

we should note how frickin' classy Galarraga is about all this. he was very zen.

 BJRains RT @beckjason: Leyland having Galarraga bring out lineup card and shake hands with Joyce, who’s plate ump today. #Tigers 12 minutes ago via Seesmic

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by Yadi2Second on Jun 3, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'd like him to survive, personally.

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by Yadi2Second on Jun 3, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

I thought I heard at least one report that MLB was considering not using him behind the plate today.

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by The Continental on Jun 3, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think I recall

him specifically asking to be allowed to continue his rotation normally.

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by ilrosso on Jun 3, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

He said "I deserve what I have coming"

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jun 3, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also, his family is getting threats...

he said to deal with him and leave his family out of it. That’s where it gets ugly unnecessarily. Leave the guy’s wife and kids alone, people.

The first thing that a pitcher has to understand is that Albert is better than you.-- Jim Palmer

by ilrosso on Jun 3, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

imagine if it was philly fans

the city would have rioted.

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jun 3, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

dont underestimate Philly fans

they would have murdered thousands by now

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by First mammal to wear pants on Jun 3, 2010 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

What?

You got a source? I’d be curious to read about this.

The way he handled, Galaragga handled it, and the way MLB’s handled it makes it seem like everyone is being an adult about it.

Jobu needs a refill

by lightbulb on Jun 3, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Looking it up for you...
Joyce told reporters Thursday morning that his family had taken some of the negative reaction. “I wish my family was out of this,” Joyce said, “and I wish they would just direct it all to me. It’s a big problem. My wife is a rock. My kids are very strong. But they don’t deserve this. I’ll take it. I’ll take whatever you can give me, and I’ll handle it like a man, and I’ll do the best I can.”

From this article.

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by ilrosso on Jun 3, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

See above

Found the same thing, you were right.

That’s a bummer for him.

Jobu needs a refill

by lightbulb on Jun 3, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Joyce's problems will not diminish significantly with the above characterization of his wife. . .

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by akaitori on Jun 4, 2010 2:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

i think the furor is over

leyland handled it well today, which is one of many reasons he’s my favorite manager in baseball. i was also happy they won big, because i bet on them – didn’t watch the game so don’t know how the strike zone was, but i at least knew it wouldn’t hurt the tigers.

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by cardball on Jun 4, 2010 2:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

There was another blown call at first against the Tigers in that game.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 4, 2010 3:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

but the man behind the plate i was more or less betting on

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 4, 2010 3:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

hoooboy.

 BJRains RT @jonmorosi: Just spoke with #JimJoyce. He’s still teary-eyed. No need for him to suffer like this. Selig must overturn this. No-brainer. 4 minutes ago via Seesmic

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by Yadi2Second on Jun 3, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

that's an interesting take

overturn the call for the sake of the umpire.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 3, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

he's not the only one saying it

a lot of people have said that. that’s not just a career-killer, that’s a soul-breaker.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
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by Yadi2Second on Jun 3, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think don denkinger has suffered enough...

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 3, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Man cries, rules must change

While he’s overruling that, he should also invalidate Halladay’s perfect game because of the home plate ump’s ridiculous strike zone.

Jobu needs a refill

by lightbulb on Jun 3, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is why people should be forgiving.

Nothing any person could or will say will maike Joyce feel worse than he already does. That much is clear from his reaction last night.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jun 3, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah.

I was pretty irrationally in favour of crushing this guy’s soul last night, but from the interviews I’ve seen and read, his soul is already crushed. He admitted he got it wrong, which was the right thing to do (albeit fairly obvious; everyone and their mom saw the replay and could see the call was blown), and he was really classy about it.

Galarraga was really classy as well: just smiling when the call was blown, not in Joyce’s face at all afterwards (which Joyce said he appreciated), and really forgiving in the interviews he’s had since then.

For the sake of those involved, for the sake of the game, MLB needs to overturn the call. It was the last out in a game whose outcome remains mostly the same—aside from the perfecto—either way.

The first thing that a pitcher has to understand is that Albert is better than you.-- Jim Palmer

by ilrosso on Jun 3, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd bet you can't hear that glove pop

75% of the time due to crowd noise, etc. The ump is screwed either way.

Like I’ve said, the sooner umps are eliminated hte better off we are.

by sdrone on Jun 3, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

When I read that Cardinal fans gave a Miles a standing O

I couldn’t decide whether to laugh or cry. So I laughed so hard I cried.

by Hungry Jack on Jun 3, 2010 9:57 AM EDT reply actions  

Tony staged it

brought him in for a high leverage situation in a close game. I daresay a lot of people were already standing.

it was Brendan Ryan who came through.

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by Yadi2Second on Jun 3, 2010 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Miles had a

-.140 WPA in that PA alone. Thank the GOB that Brendan came through where Miles could not.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jun 3, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

one could argue

the crowd rattled Miles. Brendan Tothedoghouse Ryan asked him on the on-deck circle if he thought there would be a standing o; Miles thought he was crazy. then he was annoyed that Boog was bothering him.

then the last line of that article Happened.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
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by Yadi2Second on Jun 3, 2010 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm glad that he was genuinely touched by the ovation,

because there are a lot of folks who genuinely are pleased that he is back in The Birds On The Bat and they cheered him because of that sentiment. Whether or not one believes he deserved it, I believe it was an ovation from the heart of those in attendance. I wonder if TLR clapped…

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jun 3, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

he cackled madly and said 'Your move, LeCure!'

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
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by Yadi2Second on Jun 3, 2010 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

and added

mwahahahahahaha

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jun 3, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

REcall Larry Walker's astonishment that the Cards fans gave him a standing O after his first plate apperance . .

  . . a K

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by akaitori on Jun 4, 2010 2:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

He was equally astonished at the fact that they wanted a curtain call after his first HR.

In all the years in Colorado and after all the HRs he hit there, he’d never gotten a curtain call before, I think Rolen had to push him out for it.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 4, 2010 3:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Actually, Larry got a standing O all the way to the plate before the K, and then all the way back to the dugout.

You're the fail to my win?
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 4, 2010 3:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

so standing O's cause K's?

can we get some stats on that?

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
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by Yadi2Second on Jun 4, 2010 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

to be fair

I wouldn’t blame Miles. He is comfortably and by some distance the worst hitter on the roster, and TLR brought him in for a crucial at-bat with massive leverage? Chalk that up to another TLR fuck up this year. And there’s been 2 or 3 pretty monumental ones.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jun 3, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

which have cost us games.

it’s like defensive indifference: i hate that.

now look where we are. if TLR had given the team a better chance to win over those few “gimme” games, we’d be two or three games in first place instead of tied.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
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by Yadi2Second on Jun 3, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

if "gimme" games means the same as throwaway games, then definitely

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 3, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Think that some of the pitchers might be worse. . . but I'm not sure

An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.

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by akaitori on Jun 4, 2010 2:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't get why the ovation is pissing so many people off

I don’t want Miles on the roster any more than anyone else here, but the fans gave the guy a warm welcome before he’d done anything, meaning they were applauding him cause he was, for better or worse, on a championship Cardinals team.

I don’t think he’s going to get any more ovations, but still, if he’s going to be up here wasting a roster spot, let the guy have his one moment in the sun.

/unpopular opinion

by nota bene on Jun 3, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, but scott rolen got no such ovation

and he was part of that same championship team. totally unrelated, actually, but i am mad at STL for not doing that for him.

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jun 3, 2010 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

and rolen was actually awesomely good for us for several years. Instead of being a mediocre bench player.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jun 3, 2010 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

he wasn't on the field for his first series.

I bought tickets for it, too. I don’t think I’m the only one.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 3, 2010 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

was there one ... this year? I think that was the next opportunity.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
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by Yadi2Second on Jun 3, 2010 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

first Rolen AB at Busch?

hmm.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 3, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

there was no standing O this year

which was the first chance for STL fans to do it. it was widely discussed on VEB, so i was surprised that people didn’t remember.

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jun 3, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I want to see the game thread.

there are sometimes mitigating circumstances.
like someone’s first appearance was a pinch-running situation, so their name wasn’t announced.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 3, 2010 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

and as I said, I really think the situation riled everyone up for Miles

when he came back for the cubs, they paused the fsm broadcast to hear absolutely nothing. I don’t think it was too much about him.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 3, 2010 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think there was a rain delay maybe

i’m looking

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jun 3, 2010 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

no discussion of it in the game threads

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jun 3, 2010 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

which game?

it’s also dependent on the broadcaster. they might plain not show any extra time.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 3, 2010 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

see i would buy that in almost any other city

if people don’t forget aaron miles’ existence, then they can’t forget that rolen hasn’t played in a series at busch yet

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jun 3, 2010 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rolen left here under shitty circumstances.

If he was less of a cry-baby, he’d still be here. Maybe people are still sour.

(kicks dirt)

Regression, bitches.

by spants on Jun 3, 2010 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

our staff is just better at tackling

and the guy on the ground’s face looks photo-shopped in

Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")

by STLRegalia on Jun 3, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

I know.

When I saw the photo I thought, “People, this isn’t Philly!”

by cardsgirl95 on Jun 3, 2010 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

one more reason to pull hairs out over that crowd....

 BJRains A fan just ran on the field at Busch Stadium….crowd cheered him on as he ran past ushers. Flashbulbs everywhere as he walked off.#stlcards about 13 hours ago via web

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 3, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Mo taser (or laser) though

So . . . There’s that I guess

The bible declares an eye for an eye, so, let us now take our vengeance on this murderous ocean. . . You won't be hurting anyone anymore

by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jun 3, 2010 10:36 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

*no

The bible declares an eye for an eye, so, let us now take our vengeance on this murderous ocean. . . You won't be hurting anyone anymore

by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jun 3, 2010 10:36 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

where are you, Lugo!

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 3, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Lugo's death stare

would keep idiots in the stands where they belong!

by cardsgirl95 on Jun 3, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

miles might bite him, though

/old joke

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 3, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

we should send him a postcard

we miss you, julio!
don’t kill us!

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 3, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

when a guy did that two nights after the tazed guy at the game I went to in Philly

the crowd were totally merciless. “Beat the shit out of him”, “Taze him” and “You fucking asshole” were three of the more pleasant chants/catcalls from my position on the concourse…

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jun 3, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

this was after I was just telling some cubs fan that we were classier

I'll leave this to Lao Tzu

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 3, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

i can't believe Carp didn't tackle him.

that dude is lucky to be alive.

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jun 3, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

The luggage is patient.

His time will come.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jun 3, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

at least

he didn’t bumrush the Reds first base coach or anything….

by nota bene on Jun 3, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Speaking of bad, blown calls

The call that cost(!) the Twins the game out west will get little to no press coverage, but it was just as egregious. Of course, one could even argue it was ‘worse of a call’ than the Galarraga/Joyce fiasco, because at least the Tigers still won.

Here’s a good HBT link that describes the travesty. http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/06/jim-joyce-wasnt-the-only-one-who-blew-a-call-last-night.html.php

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by tgreenfield on Jun 3, 2010 10:15 AM EDT reply actions  

i'd say that was worse

the indians would have had to come back and win it for the galarraga call to be worse – what’s funny is jason donald, the batter, put both hands to his helmet on the safe call, like batters do when they’re called out and think they are safe. i don’t think he wanted that hit, tbh.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 3, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

That one was worse

And the runner at home probably would have still been safe but why the fuck did the pitcher cut off the throw?
Anyway I like the comment made about replaying ‘85 and I don’t like all these replays. If I can’t do my job I get fired, not corrected by replay. All of these baseball minds praise Angel Hernandez and Joe West for making shitty calls and throwing out everyone they can find. Now you have the umpire disciples of thiers and everyones making shitty calls and throwing everyone out. We need to start by firing those two and in these cases they were just mistakes do let Joyce and the Seattle guy go but fire the umpires tht jaw at players all the way into the dugout and always have inconsistent k-zones becase umpiring as a whole is awful this year and replays aren’t going to fix it

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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jun 3, 2010 10:52 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

the problem here

is that Jim Joyce is actually one of the better umpires.
who takes his place? someone who’s probably worse.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 3, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

"who takes his place?"

Robots.

"And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is ALBERT when I lay my vengeance upon thee." -The Bible

by Cardinals645 on Jun 3, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

now that's different

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 3, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Stevie Wonder

An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.

HL Mencken

by akaitori on Jun 4, 2010 2:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't want Joyce gone he made a mistake and one mistake is masking

The several bad call this year and the insane amount of ejections. I want Angel H, West, the assholes ho try to be the game gone instead of replays. I just bring it up because f the replay discussion in the linked blog. If I make a mistake at my job I still work there. If I consistently can’t do my job I get fired, not looked up to and assisted by a camera. That’s all I was saying. I don’t even want Joyce punished, hell I hated everyone ripping Hochuli, a longtime great NFL ref, for one mistake, when in the end the chargers won that division anyway. It was fucking stupid. I just want everyone to stop calling for replays and the heads of guys making mistakes while praising guys who do a shitty job. Fire bad umps and get over it, and Jim Joyce is not a bad ump

The bible declares an eye for an eye, so, let us now take our vengeance on this murderous ocean. . . You won't be hurting anyone anymore

by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jun 3, 2010 11:06 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

...I'm not sure anyone likes Angel or Joe West.

Angel Hernandez is a curse word in my family.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 3, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Mine too, I'm talking th media

FESPN, Dan’n’Al, even deservingly respected SI writers. I don’t know what’s with him but he’s a media lovechild

The bible declares an eye for an eye, so, let us now take our vengeance on this murderous ocean. . . You won't be hurting anyone anymore

by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jun 3, 2010 11:12 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

your first mistake

is watching the media. there’s maybe three reporters who aren’t mulling.

they have no leverage on the crazy mind of Bud Selig.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 3, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks Y2S

You are always there to steer me from grave error like listening to the media, f’ing cubs lovers

The bible declares an eye for an eye, so, let us now take our vengeance on this murderous ocean. . . You won't be hurting anyone anymore

by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jun 3, 2010 11:21 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

now hang on a second while I check the reporters' tweets and repost them all over.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 3, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

ha

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 3, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

same here

fucking angel hernandez. the only time I hear my dad say “fucking” is in reference to Don Denkinger and Angel Hernandez

"...and pujols has given st louis the lead"
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by tgreenfield on Jun 3, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Colossal Tool

P.S. I hope nobody is offended by this.

by thepainguy on Jun 3, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

the shovel may have issues being compared to Joe West

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Jun 3, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good point, LOL

I apologize to the shovel and to all who love it.

by thepainguy on Jun 3, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

my favourite line, i think

used it in a bar once to much confusion.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jun 3, 2010 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

heh

Regression, bitches.

by spants on Jun 3, 2010 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mr. LaRussa...

Minor leaguers can be promoted and DEMOTED …

Ms Bitters (Invader Zim): Children, your performance was miserable. Your parents will all receive phone calls instructing them to love you less now.

by Rejuvenile on Jun 3, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I got done posting that

and then had to think who on the Cards would be Dr. Strangelove, figured it had to be Mo, and then laughed myself silly imagining him with the wild hair, sunglasses, the alien arm movements, and referring to LaRussa as “Mein Fuhrer!”

Ms Bitters (Invader Zim): Children, your performance was miserable. Your parents will all receive phone calls instructing them to love you less now.

by Rejuvenile on Jun 3, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah don't insult...

…the honorable shovel by comparing it to a dreadful man like “Cowboy Joe” West.

You could at least compare him to a pencil sharpener, which is trapped in an office and is rendered kind of useless by any one who prefers pens and mechanical pencils.

Now the shovel… that’s a great tool right there.

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by redbirdnation8206 on Jun 3, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

FWIW

I study I saw not that long ago about balls/strikes calls actually had Angel as one of the better/more consistent umps in MLB. Still a douche, I guess.

West is bad AND an asshole.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jun 3, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, might as well let the throw go through - nothing to lose

the out at second ended the inning, though.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 3, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Umpires on umpiring

Baseball Almanac

“[Fans] expect an umpire to be perfect on Opening Day and to improve as the season goes on.” – American League Umpire Nestor Chylak

"They're so stunned they didn't even boo!"
John Rooney 5/3/10 referring to Philly fans on Cards 5-run 7th inning

by gocards62 on Jun 3, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

From the comments:

‘Why would you overturn that call? The Twins lost, so it was clearly the right call.’—A Tigers Fan.

The first thing that a pitcher has to understand is that Albert is better than you.-- Jim Palmer

by ilrosso on Jun 3, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

i don't think any calls should or will be overturned

but if a call were overturned, it’d make more sense in many ways if it was the one that affected the outcome of the game rather than the one that didn’t.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 3, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's pretty close

Way closer than the Galarraga game

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jun 3, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

And the ump can't see the ball.

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

by TBender on Jun 3, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

They really miss the show.

It’s for Griffey. Although I would think a 24 mowed out in CF would be more appropriate. Not enough time, perhaps, to do that yet.

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

by TBender on Jun 3, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, it was a really quick turnaround

I got the company email at like 4:35, and the game started at 7:10. The mowing usually gets done in the morning, so there’s no way it could’ve been done in CF

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jun 3, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

you could have sprinkled female dog piss on the outfield in the shape of a 24.

bleaches the hell out of a lawn pretty fast, and it has an added bonus in that it’s an ideal analogy for the last 5 years of Junior’s career…

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jun 3, 2010 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

your avatar makes it.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 3, 2010 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Carpenter's 8th Inning AB

Can anyone explain Mad Tony’s decision to send Carp out there for one pitch?

by OCCardsFan on Jun 3, 2010 10:25 AM EDT reply actions  

...it amused Carp?

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 3, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

that would explain so many decisions

“Hey, Carp. Watch this….”

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 3, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

jay was in the bathroom

or, as rr explained last night, tony said he didn’t have his hitter ready

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 3, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah... um... Why, Tony?

It was like he changed his mind mid-AB or something. Very, very weird.

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by redbirdnation8206 on Jun 3, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

poor boog

tony was expecting an out? i don’t know why the double matters – whether he singles, walks, triples, or makes an out, there’s no scenario in which carp bats there.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 3, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

that old LOBster look

Matt and Albert

meanwhile, here’s Carp teaching the kid a thing or two.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 3, 2010 10:28 AM EDT reply actions  

there are a lot of caption-worthy pics in that set.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 3, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

re: #1

“regulators! mount up!”

#2: INVISIBLE BANANA PEEL

by nota bene on Jun 3, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh, re: Miles. I might have forgotten to live-blog this.

the day of his arrival, on the pre-game show, sirens erupted and continued for several minutes.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 3, 2010 10:29 AM EDT reply actions  

does anyone else suspect

we can pay Brendan Ryan in Shannon’s gift certificates?

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 3, 2010 10:43 AM EDT reply actions  

Yes....

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jun 3, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

better

we can pay him to hit

he does the defense for free

…save money for Ryan F. Ludwick!

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 3, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

i very much do not want to see luddy go after this season

however inevitable it may be.

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jun 3, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe he will stay because of the Steak N Shake milkshakes.

"Have you ever thrown a ball 100 miles an hour? Everything hurts. Even your ass hurts. I see pictures of my face and say, 'Holy shit', but that's the strain you feel when you throw." ~ Bob Gibson

by spfldbird on Jun 3, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

he'll be here next year

he’s got one more year of arb left. He’ll be expensive, though, probably around $8M.

Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers

by SleepyCA on Jun 3, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Operation MWN, v 2.0

Find a way to keep Ludwick around for a reasonable rate.

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by redbirdnation8206 on Jun 3, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

We're out of pies.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jun 3, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

we're gonna need a whole factory

for Operation MWN v3.0, the Albert Pujols Delicious Baked Goods Spectacular edition.

by nota bene on Jun 3, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

i see where you get your reputation for stabbing.

without raspberry cream cheese croissants, life has no meaning.

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jun 3, 2010 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

i appreciate it

why would they do that to me?

WHHHYYYY

next thing i know you’ll tell me renike road is a five lane highway

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jun 3, 2010 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know that road.

But I looked it up and they definitely don’t have that pastry. They had a strawberry and cream croissant a few years ago, but that’s gone too.

The last time I had a pastry from BreadCo, I got a Duet cookie and my tongue and throat swelled and felt fuzzy. I’m not allergic to walnuts, so I have no clue what was in that cookie.

Regression, bitches.

by spants on Jun 3, 2010 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

whoa

so okay, maybe its a good thing that the croissant is gone…

reinke road is in ballwin.

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jun 3, 2010 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

it intersects with manchester

and i think new ballwin road (is that a road?)

there’s schnucks like 1/2 mile down.

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jun 3, 2010 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or Sonic shakes?

With Affliction shirt bonuses?

The bible declares an eye for an eye, so, let us now take our vengeance on this murderous ocean. . . You won't be hurting anyone anymore

by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jun 3, 2010 10:55 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

he has too many Nike shirts to be paid in them.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 3, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

oh man the radio ads

whenever I hear one, I just want audio of a conversation (like the ad, only real) between Boog and Skip. they’d sound like a 13 year old and a 14 year old.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 3, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

which do you think, haha

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 3, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

They're also hitting like a 13 year old and a 14 year old this year

And I really want them to come out of it. Especially Boog, I love his glove and his personality with the shoulder licking, impressions, etc. He’s just fun to watch. Please hit Boog

The bible declares an eye for an eye, so, let us now take our vengeance on this murderous ocean. . . You won't be hurting anyone anymore

by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jun 3, 2010 11:09 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

uh.

did you watch the last three series?

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 3, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

TBH

Some but not nearly as much as I’ve wanted to. Though I did see skip was on fire the other day and BRyan hit a scorcher or two past Rolen

The bible declares an eye for an eye, so, let us now take our vengeance on this murderous ocean. . . You won't be hurting anyone anymore

by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jun 3, 2010 11:15 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

so you didn't see the game when Boog went 4-for-4 with a home run?

Skip had 3 RBIs this series, I think.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 3, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Damn it, I would have LOVED to see that

Because boog is my second favorite next to Fire burning (CFers always seem to be my favorite players). I’ve been busy planning my wedding and getting a house built(carpet just got laid!). I did catch the last two games and Im happy to see us scoring and tied for first

The bible declares an eye for an eye, so, let us now take our vengeance on this murderous ocean. . . You won't be hurting anyone anymore

by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jun 3, 2010 11:25 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

and he did a DeNiro in San Diego.

it was like old times.

the stache is coming back, by the way. no foolin’.

good luck on your new stuff being built.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 3, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, have to love DeNiro and the stache

And thanks, we close this month!

The bible declares an eye for an eye, so, let us now take our vengeance on this murderous ocean. . . You won't be hurting anyone anymore

by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jun 3, 2010 11:29 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

EXCELLENT! Congrats!

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by redbirdnation8206 on Jun 3, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Unless your talking the 4-4 game against SD

Then I did see that but didn’t realize he stayed hot afterward

The bible declares an eye for an eye, so, let us now take our vengeance on this murderous ocean. . . You won't be hurting anyone anymore

by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jun 3, 2010 11:28 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

oh yes, that one.

he wobbled for a few games, and sat a few, but he looks relaxed at the plate, now. and he’s taking walks. apparently “putting his body where his eyes can see the ball” works…

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 3, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sweet!

The bible declares an eye for an eye, so, let us now take our vengeance on this murderous ocean. . . You won't be hurting anyone anymore

by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jun 3, 2010 11:35 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

yeah

i think he’s moving back towards being replacement level for the year. His hitting certainly looks more measured lately, there’s been encouraging signs of a bit of power, too. From what i recall of April and much of May, he barely hit a ball in the air out of the infield.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jun 3, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

it was a rollercoaster

he came out of an abbreviated spring training, so it was going to be a slow start either way.
he got severely BABIP’d.
then came the Philly series, when he could’ve had a triple and a single and both were taken away by the umps.
then he got Lidge’d and not in a good way. after that, he just went off the rails. the stance changed every game. the balls were being swung at. the desperation was frickin’ painful.

I noticed it as a curiosity early, and then it was a trend — I never caught him smiling at anything until San Diego.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 3, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

I figured it was a combination of

the return of the stache, and the fact that he’s back to doing his pre-swing OCD routine

by nota bene on Jun 3, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

when DanUp did an entire paragraph in the front page

saying it was wonderful to see Boog lick his shoulder and finally stand still…

I knew. I just knew.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 3, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've always reckoned a lot of successful athletes are probably OCD

especially baseball players, because there’s so much endless repetition in baseball.

by nota bene on Jun 3, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, but Boog has the ADHD going too

look at us, diagnosing without a license! boom!

in any case, I assume that baseball players are a shade of crazy, and baseball players in the bullpen are all the way nuts.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 3, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

poor K-Mac.

Izzy put his name and number on it, too.
wonder what they’ll do to Ottavino. usually carrying the water bottles is standard.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 3, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

does the carpet match the drapes?

Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")

by STLRegalia on Jun 3, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

the carpet got some action, that's for sure.

"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."

by BVHeck on Jun 3, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

TWSS?
carpet just got laid

babip giveth... and babip taketh away

by purple_haze on Jun 3, 2010 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

damn, i missed it.

babip giveth... and babip taketh away

by purple_haze on Jun 3, 2010 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

in bed

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jun 3, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

LOL

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jun 3, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I enjoyed ESPN's broadcast last night

Which is strange. And did you guys find Rasmusgirl last night?

The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun

by mob16151 on Jun 3, 2010 11:18 AM EDT reply actions  

I wonder

how much VEB really should be ‘looking’ for a high school girl. Esp. when we all adore our favorite teenage girl, Brendan Ryan.

"...and pujols has given st louis the lead"
The Best Defensive Play I Have Seen in Person

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by tgreenfield on Jun 3, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

HA!

I doubt teenage girls are obsessed with not showering. but what do I know.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 3, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

There's a hunt for a teenaged girl and I'm not involved?

I have my candy and van ready to go

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Jun 3, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Teenage Girls....

…does Justin Beiber cownt?

;=8)

Big McLargehuge!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Jun 3, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

teenage girl

not preteen

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jun 3, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

1/2 a dozen or six

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Jun 3, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

nah, they have pretty distinctly different meanings

i’m talking about 19-year-old girls and that method will attract girls that are around 10. not my style, personally

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jun 3, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

You'd be suprise who puts out for a Twix.

then again you wouldn’t be suprised when I say I’m one of them.

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Jun 3, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

so, hey, uh,

ah, fuck it, i’m too nervous

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jun 3, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Whoa

VivaElBirdos: Celebrating glorious mustaches since 2009

by redbirdnation8206 on Jun 3, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Explain Rasmusgirl, please.

I’ve been out of the loop for a long time. Is this the girl who did the ‘colby fire burning in the outfield’ song? And she has graced us with her presence?

The first thing that a pitcher has to understand is that Albert is better than you.-- Jim Palmer

by ilrosso on Jun 3, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, she was on here quite regularly towards the tail-end of last year i think

has appeared once or twice since. It’s legit.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jun 3, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Amazing.

That makes me so happy. Does she realise how horridly awesome her music was?

The first thing that a pitcher has to understand is that Albert is better than you.-- Jim Palmer

by ilrosso on Jun 3, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

...you do know they put it on the scoreboard at Busch?

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 3, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

No...

Geez. I go to France for 7 months and everything falls apart.

Really?

Also, preemptive question: is there anything else in that time period that has developed here at VEB, or with the Cardinals in general, that I should be aware of?

The first thing that a pitcher has to understand is that Albert is better than you.-- Jim Palmer

by ilrosso on Jun 3, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

a lot of people liked the boog and bombs videos

errmmm, we signed matt holliday?

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jun 3, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well I heard that second one.

Linky linky to the first one please?

The first thing that a pitcher has to understand is that Albert is better than you.-- Jim Palmer

by ilrosso on Jun 3, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I suspect yadi2 will be able to fix that shit up for you

he will have a comprehensive list, he’s balla like that.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jun 3, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah.

He’s our scribe and treasurer. Has the glossary been updated recently?

The first thing that a pitcher has to understand is that Albert is better than you.-- Jim Palmer

by ilrosso on Jun 3, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

no

the last time I had time to do it, a 20-inning game broke out. the other times, SBN has been bloody impossible. I need it to work for a few hours on end to do a proper survey.

however, right now I am going to have a life outside the basement (however briefly), but you can occupy your time at fox sports midwest’s video site. I’m not sure you can find all of them by searching for “Brendan”, so usually I click on the Cardinals tab and go through it manually.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 3, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

also

how long were you gone?

lots of people are popping up again, and I never know how far back to recap them.

also for god’s sake people, make some gifs, already. the handshake dance was on BBTN, and KSDK had a better angle on the slapfight of joy.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 3, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

About 7 months.

I tapered off towards the end of last summer because of work responsibilities and then I was in France up until last week.

I’ll look up those vids on FSN’s website, then. Thanks for the tips.

The first thing that a pitcher has to understand is that Albert is better than you.-- Jim Palmer

by ilrosso on Jun 3, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

same

make it happen, interwebz

"...and pujols has given st louis the lead"
The Best Defensive Play I Have Seen in Person

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by tgreenfield on Jun 3, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

the WHOLE handshake dance

not the brief clip.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 3, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Welcome back!

Think; It's not illegal yet.

by azruavatar on Jun 3, 2010 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

i remember that one

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 3, 2010 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks.

Glad to see this posted for everyone’s amusement. Again.

Three too many times, now.

and no, if anyone cares who didn’t see it last time, that is not me in the picture…i got it from a random google search.

The first thing that a pitcher has to understand is that Albert is better than you.-- Jim Palmer

by ilrosso on Jun 4, 2010 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

sure, keep denying

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 4, 2010 2:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh.

Well that’s slightly different.

The first thing that a pitcher has to understand is that Albert is better than you.-- Jim Palmer

by ilrosso on Jun 3, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

But they used some version of Fire Burning in the Outfield

as the phrase of the day on the scoreboard.

I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.
VEB: WWGTD

by The Continental on Jun 3, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rewatching the video.

I’m nostalgia-ing so hard.

This is a music video I made about Colby Rasmus (my favorite baseball player) for his birthday August 11th. I made it from facts and observations that I already knew about him and I really hope all enjoy it.

Facts and observations indeed.

The first thing that a pitcher has to understand is that Albert is better than you.-- Jim Palmer

by ilrosso on Jun 3, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did she include his UZR?

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jun 3, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

the line

“the triple, single, double, the smooth home run”

was originally

“he has a plus fif-teen UZR (small sample war-ning)”

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jun 3, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

hahahahah

i’m sure if we racked our brains, we could come up with a delightfully nerdy parody of Fire Burning.

"...and pujols has given st louis the lead"
The Best Defensive Play I Have Seen in Person

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by tgreenfield on Jun 3, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I need something that rhymes with UZR

Something other than “boozer”.

Or maybe, “Let’s hope he’s not a boozer,” would be apropos.

by thepainguy on Jun 3, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

loser?

none of these rhyme with uzr, though, to my ears. “star” does, however.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 3, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

How did I miss this?

Clearly I need instant replay.

Regression, bitches.

by spants on Jun 3, 2010 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is it bad that I forgot our constantly referencing Rasmus's smoothness is from RasmusGirl?

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jun 3, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

i didnt even know that

i thought it was a selling it/jim edmonds reference

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jun 3, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think I had actually adopted this origin story myself...

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jun 3, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

selling it is the jimmy edmonds reference

it’s actually kind of antonym-ish of smooth.
except sometimes Colby sells it smoothly, so it gets conflated.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 3, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

is there a game on August 11 this year?

last year the crowd sang to him.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 3, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sadly, away at Cincy.

They’ll have to wait until (gasp) Friday the 13th against the Cubs.

I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.
VEB: WWGTD

by The Continental on Jun 3, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

all of the beat writers knew the reference.

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jun 3, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

ocassional poster, yep.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 3, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

i cant spel gud

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 3, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Okay, that's a

little stalkery.

The first thing that a pitcher has to understand is that Albert is better than you.-- Jim Palmer

by ilrosso on Jun 3, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

stop watching FESPN

they have the Denkinger feature going.

god.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 3, 2010 11:43 AM EDT reply actions  

From the Director of Public Information:

“FYI, we still plan to go forward with the remaining Ken Griffey Jr. promotional events on the schedule: the Ichiro-Griffey Cooperstown Bound bobblehead on June 18th, and the Griffey Backwards Cap night on July 8th.

 

And in case fans ask, Ken will let us know when he is ready, and we will have an appropriate tribute to him here at Safeco Field."

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jun 3, 2010 11:55 AM EDT reply actions  

Also: Griffey remaining with the Mariners in a front office role

Means I have a MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH better chance at meeting him

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jun 3, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

sweet!

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 3, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

if i mail you my pair of these

http://nicekicks.com/images/ken-griffey-3.jpg

could ya get em autographed for me?

(only half-kidding)

"...and pujols has given st louis the lead"
The Best Defensive Play I Have Seen in Person

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by tgreenfield on Jun 3, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

You can mail those to me

But you ain’t getting them back

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jun 3, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Translation:

“Please please PLEASE continue to come see our crappy team that can’t score runs even though the hometown hero is gone!!!”

"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols

by splhcb67 on Jun 3, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Basically. You guys have no idea how spoiled we are, getting to watch the games at Busch

Growing up, I never experienced an empty stadium, even when the Cards were bad. I was at the game last night, and it was MAYBE half full. And they had $2 hot dogs!

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jun 3, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, totally.

My formative years as a baseball fan were the early 90s (so, you know, not exactly high quality baseball going on)…and, of course, Busch was always, if not full, then at least 75% or more filled. I just figured that was how it was everywhere…I remember being very confused when I finally got old enough to realize, “Wait, there are places that barely get 10,000 people a game??”

"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols

by splhcb67 on Jun 3, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

same here

actually I never became a full-blown Cards fan until I moved around and subsequently pined for Busch

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 3, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

erroneous

unless you are a lot younger than me.

i was a kid in the pre-TLR 90s and HFS there were some desolate games. i remember one game the guess the attendance game answer was about 8500.

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jun 3, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess I'm talking from 1999 on, and I suppose we've been pretty successful since then

I’ve just never attended a game so barren as the Mariners game last night. We have some interesting series coming up, against the Yanks, Red Sox, and Cubs, and I’m guessing it’ll be a lot fuller for those

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jun 3, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

the pre-TLR 90s were teh suck.

except i was a kid so i didn’t know any better

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jun 3, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

I always chuckle when I think of Joe Torre, Champion Manager. The whole period between Whiteyball & La Russa is like the Dark Ages for the Cards.

by nota bene on Jun 3, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

The first Cards game I attended was

this one. They were literally giving away tickets. Three of us (18 and highly intoxicated) rode Mel Rojas for all 9 innings, and he never even got in the game.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jun 3, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yuck

Not a .800+ OPS to be found in that lineup

by jd is legend on Jun 3, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

heh, attendance was 12,000

the first game i ever went to was this one.

incidentally, attendance was 28,000.

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jun 3, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

since no one has noticed i will just tell you

ozzie smith got his 2000th hit that game. so…there.

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jun 3, 2010 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

its how i became a cardinals fan, and a baseball fan, honestly.

not only my first live game, it was the first professional baseball game i ever saw in any format. i was hooked. i dont see how you can walk away from a game like that and not love the game and the city and the team.

/tear

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jun 3, 2010 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Amazing.

I wish I could remember my first game. I know my dad took me to a few games, and I saw so little of him that my attentions were usually focused on him rather than the game.

But I’ve loved baseball as long as I can remember. My mom said that from a very young age, I talked about all sorts of crazy stuff that I had no business knowing.

Regression, bitches.

by spants on Jun 3, 2010 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

very cool. you were all, why don't we trade gilkey already, he can't even OPS above .700?!

girls who like baseball at a young age are the best girls.

when i was kid, i made a scorecard on my printer and kept score at home while i watched the games on TV. the joe/jack buck tandem was awesome.

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jun 3, 2010 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I kept score, too!

But I hand-drew the score cards.

Regression, bitches.

by spants on Jun 3, 2010 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's ultra gritty

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jun 3, 2010 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

When I was a kid

I kept score of every game for an entire season, mostly by listening to Jack Buck on KMOX. Then my mother threw it all away.

"A good catcher is the quarterback, the carburetor, the lead dog, the pulse taker, the traffic cop and sometimes a lot of unprintable things, but no team gets very far without one." – Miller Huggins

by vico on Jun 3, 2010 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

my family drove out to STL from NC--first Cards game

in the summer of 1977 when Brock was chasing Ty Cobb’s SB record.

We sat through a hour or so rain delay, then watched the Cards win.

"They're so stunned they didn't even boo!"
John Rooney 5/3/10 referring to Philly fans on Cards 5-run 7th inning

by gocards62 on Jun 3, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

they had cars that could drive that far in 1977?

I thought you had to use a hot air balloon to travel that kind of distance

Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")

by STLRegalia on Jun 3, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Zeppelins.

Regression, bitches.

by spants on Jun 3, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

kept score on stone tablets

ESPN stands for Extremely Swift Pigeon Network….

by nota bene on Jun 3, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Holy cow!

that’s quite a drive. Good thing the game wasn’t rained out. Dad would have had a time explaining that one to the kids…

youneverknow

by floodOfLove on Jun 3, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Their total attendence figures in those years was good though

The worst they did in the late 80’s/early 90’s was in 1995 when they finished seventh in attendence in the NL. And that’s the worst the team’s done. Imagine being a Royals, Marlins, Pirates, or A’s fan when you’re the practically the only one there every single night.

VivaElBirdos: Celebrating glorious mustaches since 2009

by redbirdnation8206 on Jun 3, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I grew up in Minnesota

watching the Twins pre-2001 was awful. I went games on Thursday afternoons for like field trips where our elementary school contingent would be 1/5th of the attendance.

"...and pujols has given st louis the lead"
The Best Defensive Play I Have Seen in Person

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by tgreenfield on Jun 3, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

As far as I can surmise, it's like a regular hat night

Only the fans wear it backwards?

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jun 3, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

So they give the fans a hat and the fans are supposed to wear them backwards

I get the tribute to Griffey aspect, but it sounds like a whole bunch of fans looking like jerks to me.

by OCCardsFan on Jun 3, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

junior was known for wearing his cap backwards when he came up

in sort of a fun-loving way. articles were written on “the kid”, and a a smiling junior with the backwards cap was typically the photo. griffey will always be remembered as the kid in the backwards cap.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 3, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I remember a few get-off-my-lawn types griping about it.

Never understood how it was disrespect since when it was game time, The Kid respected the game in the best way possible — he played it very well.

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

by TBender on Jun 3, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't read all of that, but I always rec 15 line run-on sentences

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jun 3, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

You must've liked

WCBW then.

The first thing that a pitcher has to understand is that Albert is better than you.-- Jim Palmer

by ilrosso on Jun 4, 2010 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Difference is that your's made sense.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 4, 2010 3:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

was that before or after the amphetamines?

(question goes for both the players and the poster)

Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")

by STLRegalia on Jun 3, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Both

I’ll let you unwind that one. I was literally tired after typing all of that, so maybe I needed some greenies.

VivaElBirdos: Celebrating glorious mustaches since 2009

by redbirdnation8206 on Jun 3, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Al?

The bible declares an eye for an eye, so, let us now take our vengeance on this murderous ocean. . . You won't be hurting anyone anymore

by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jun 3, 2010 3:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   2 recs

i've got some extra greenies

anyone want some?

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 3, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nah,

this red juice is going down smooth today. No need for the pills.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jun 3, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

i wonder what the prevalence of greenies usage was

it was such common knowledge that i always thought of it as nearly 100%, which is why it never bothered me much as it sort of equaled out – each player may have gained a competitive edge, but the net effect was no competitive advantage gained.

this is why steroids are far higher on my list of “sins” – if only 15% of players were using them, then they had a distinct competitive advantage over 85% of the league. that’s all that matters to me with the steroids issue – how it affected the level playing field, not the morality or the numbers/records (because we can’t really compare ruth’s homer totals to aaron’s anyway, or either’s to bonds’, with so many factors being different – better to compare each to his peers of that particular era to determine who most out-performed his contemporaries).

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 3, 2010 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

15%

were did you get that number?
15% of players have been caught which leads me to believe its closer to ken caminiti’s 50% estimation

Rasmus can hit lefties
cardinalred
St. Louis Sports blog

by stlcardsfan4 on Jun 3, 2010 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

i have no idea what percent used either steroids or greenies

just making a larger point, that if everyone or no one was doing either, then it has no net advantage – it’s still a level playing field. the smaller the percentage doing it, the greater advantage those players have.

since greenies were sitting around in candy dishes in clubhouses, i figured perhaps a greater percentage of players took them, as it was accepted practice. steroids had to be done behind closed doors, so intuitively i’m thinking they were less prevalent than greenies. i’m not stating this as fact, just as an explanation of why i think greenies and steroids do not exactly equate when discussing ped’s, and why i think steroids were “worse” – because they were less common.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 3, 2010 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

ahh i get what your saying

but its hard to argue one way or the other how many people did this or that, since there is hardly any evidence

Rasmus can hit lefties
cardinalred
St. Louis Sports blog

by stlcardsfan4 on Jun 3, 2010 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wasn't alive back then

I have lived only in the tragically sordid last 20-some years. It’s been tough, I tell ya.

by mojowo11 on Jun 3, 2010 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh my goodness.

Classic. Rec’d.

The first thing that a pitcher has to understand is that Albert is better than you.-- Jim Palmer

by ilrosso on Jun 4, 2010 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

I suppose that's one benefit of having a backup team now

From one dreamy centerfielder to another

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jun 3, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can't rec this hard enough.

Simply amazing, Danup.

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jun 3, 2010 12:36 PM EDT reply actions  

I, too, rec'd it.

Tremendous post.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jun 3, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I ran it through my SBN Front Page Post Recommendation Analyzer

and it said that it should get 37-42 Recs. Get with it, VEB.

I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.
VEB: WWGTD

by The Continental on Jun 3, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Does your SBNFPPRA account for Cody?

If not, it could be underestimating by 50%.

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

by TBender on Jun 3, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's OK

but there’s not enough Penny PitchFX for my liking.

Oh what the hell. Rec’d.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jun 3, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Moyer must be proud of killing those three rallies in the same inning against Milwaukee

link

“The good thing about a home run is it clears the bases. It can be a rally killer. When you give up a hit, a hit, a hit, a walk and then a hit, you think, ’When’s it going to end?’”

by THerr on Jun 3, 2010 12:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Well, there's at least some anecdotal evidence that it's true

But it depends on the situation. It’s been documented (by Curt Schilling, among others), that pitching with men in scoring position is MUCH more taxing than pitching with the bases empty or just a man on first. Yes, home runs suck a lot and are never good for the pitcher, but I can see how it might “relax” a pitcher a little bit

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jun 3, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Relax them, maybe

I can buy that it may cool a pitcher off and get them back to the windup and all of that…

But to say that a multi-run HR is a rally killer is dumb. A three or four run HR IS a rally in and of itself.

VivaElBirdos: Celebrating glorious mustaches since 2009

by redbirdnation8206 on Jun 3, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think of it like puking after drinking too much

you feel worse, and worse, and worse, and then HUAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGG and now at least it’s over. Whew.

I guess that makes giving up more than one dinger in an inning like the dry heaves….

by nota bene on Jun 3, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gibby once gave up 4 HRs in a game and still won.

Those were the only 4 hits he gave up and they were all solo shots.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 3, 2010 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

damnit

i burned the bacon again

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jun 3, 2010 1:21 PM EDT reply actions  

if I can't break the bacon in two with my fingers, it's not cooked enough

Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")

by STLRegalia on Jun 3, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

i prefer it crispy,

but i’ll definitely take it a little chewy over burnt any day

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jun 3, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hate chewy bacon

sometimes I just order it “burnt” at restaurants just to be safe

Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")

by STLRegalia on Jun 3, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1000

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jun 3, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I do that with pizza, at least down here in Virginia..

…where the local savages haven’t a clue what proper pizza is…
:=8/

Big McLargehuge!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Jun 3, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't get bacon on my pizza too often

lately I’ve been on a Hawaiian plus black olives, green peppers, & red onions kick

Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")

by STLRegalia on Jun 3, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

same here!

minus red onions.

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jun 3, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

proper bacon

exhibits a delicate blend of crunchy and chewy.

by nota bene on Jun 3, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

i had the burner on 5

after having it on like 7 yesterday morning when i burned it

i am a kitchen noob

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jun 3, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh please!

if you’re frying it, fry it medium hot. Say, 7 on an electeric stove.

If you’re cooking it, for say wrapping filet or scallops, sure take your time. heheh

I’ve got a cool bacon appetizer recipe – 200 degrees, I think, for an hour.

by sdrone on Jun 3, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Reccity Rec Rec Recerson

Nice post Dan, I recommended it.

Jobu needs a refill

by lightbulb on Jun 3, 2010 1:48 PM EDT reply actions  

i'm sure you've been twitter'd

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jun 3, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice comment whatver the source. . .

An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.

HL Mencken

by akaitori on Jun 4, 2010 2:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rec'ing this post means approval of an Aaron Miles post being at the top of the page all day due to the off day.

Hmmm…

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

by TBender on Jun 3, 2010 3:26 PM EDT reply actions  

aaaaaaah

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 3, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can someone with ESPN Insider summarize this for me?

http://3.ly/D4wK

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jun 3, 2010 3:33 PM EDT reply actions  

????

Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")

by STLRegalia on Jun 3, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

So there's actually a higher correlation using original slot, rather than signing bonus?

I wouldn’t have thought that

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jun 3, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

15 appears to be the magic number

but I honestly don’t know what this graph is telling me….look at all the pretty colors…

Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")

by STLRegalia on Jun 3, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

The blue represents the WAR total as a function of draft order

The red represents WAR total as a function of reordering the draft based on signing bonus

The log (I think), acts essentially as a smoothing line

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jun 3, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I left my 3D glasses at home

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

by TBender on Jun 3, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Looks like we're sitting pretty at 25.

"And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is ALBERT when I lay my vengeance upon thee." -The Bible

by Cardinals645 on Jun 3, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

the good reporter's take

 on joyce

whenever goold mentions that he likes RBIs, i feel like he’s really saying “Hi VEB!”

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jun 3, 2010 3:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Joycean

Nice.

“That was quite the Joycean call.”

A new one for the toolkit, right next to Duncaned.

“He really Duncaned that ball.”

by thepainguy on Jun 3, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

goold's poll
  1. Yes. (56%, 150 Votes)
  2. No. (27%, 72 Votes)
  3. Robots. (17%, 47 Votes)

the robot contingent is disappointing. Azru, a call to action for your peoples.

by _pistol_ on Jun 3, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I voted Robots.

But I’d accept Yes.

Regression, bitches.

by spants on Jun 3, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I clicked yes,

then kicked myself because I didn’t scroll down enough to see the robot option.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jun 3, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I voted yes

cause Bud’s not going to go for it just yet. We’ll get the robots eventually once MLB realizes that a video ump or whatever isn’t going to kill the game.

by nota bene on Jun 3, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

But didn't video kill the radio star?

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 3, 2010 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry.

I just can’t walk away from one set up on a tee like that.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 3, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

oooh oooh.

here you go, kids. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iwuy4hHO3YQ

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 3, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

hahahahahaha

That is f’in great!

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 3, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

we can't rewind, we've gone too far

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 3, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

nota's gunna hunt you down for that if he watched it.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 3, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

live salvo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlPjxz4LGak

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 3, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gotta luv that pink sports coat.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 3, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

check that.

The pink f’in suit.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 3, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'm a sucker for slowhand

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 3, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

here's the music video

for you punks on my lawn
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5ZEzWwKJnY

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 3, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, so am I.

But that suit’s a little too much.lol Thanks for linking that by the way.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 3, 2010 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Azru will love this.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 3, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I want a 3D scan of the field

I'll leave this to Lao Tzu

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 3, 2010 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

didn't they start testing that system at ATT?

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 3, 2010 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dunno

sounds cool though

I'll leave this to Lao Tzu

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 3, 2010 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

What I take from that poll

73% are against the status quo. MLB needs to do something.

by jd is legend on Jun 3, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

problem is, President-for-Life Generalissimo Selig is accountable to nobody. Maybe the owners, but certainly not the fans. And I bet even he does opt to implement something, he’ll still screw it up or hamstring it somehow. I have no faith in Selig to do anything right.

by nota bene on Jun 3, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hope you read this, NB

It was your idea to add the numbers of the starters in in the Wlaters good game in order to purchase a lottery ticket here. The sum was “245” – you can pick the last two numbers, so I bought 45. Winning number – 54 . . . sigh

An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.

HL Mencken

by akaitori on Jun 4, 2010 2:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

but he's off the bench a lot.

dgoold Since the start of 2009 season, Brendan Ryan’s plus-35 fielding rate (per plus/minus system) ranks second, behind J-Wilson’s plus-39. about 2 hours ago via web
dgoold Since Lopez came off the DL, Brendan Ryan is batting .393 with a .679 slugging percentage and a .452 on-base percentage. #stlcards about 2 hours ago via web

I think he’s comfortable, but I don’t buy that he’s all the way back. Mentally he always seems to trail right behind Skip, who gnaws at his own psyche more quietly.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 3, 2010 5:00 PM EDT reply actions  

sort of baseball-related

Nate Silver’s political blog is getting picked up by the NY Times. Congrats to him.

Hopefully they let him moonlight on the sports page now and again too….

by nota bene on Jun 3, 2010 5:02 PM EDT reply actions  

i'm guessing he wouldn't have fallen to the Cards either way
The Royals claimed pitcher Kanekoa Texeira off of waivers from the Mariners and designated right-hander Brad Thompson for assignment to make room for Texeira, according to a team press release.

mlbtr

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 3, 2010 5:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Too bad for the Puppy-kicker.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 3, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

flag'd

Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")

by STLRegalia on Jun 3, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Y'know,

I was reading his one liner posts and chuckling at how funny they were when joined with his sig until I actually clicked on the link. I cannot unsee that.

The first thing that a pitcher has to understand is that Albert is better than you.-- Jim Palmer

by ilrosso on Jun 4, 2010 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

We need a long man as insurance for Walters and Ottavino.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jun 3, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought that's what Hawk and Boggs were for?

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 3, 2010 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Strausburg sounds like a Carp-type who likes tea.

he could take down Youk, I bet.

http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2010/06/03/meet-stephen-strasburg-lover-of-tea-phenom-with-temper-and-sen/

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 3, 2010 5:06 PM EDT reply actions  

I keep putting that 'u' in there

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 3, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

The "u" or the "o"?

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 3, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

blame strauss

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jun 3, 2010 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

need moar unicorns

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 3, 2010 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rick Porcello tossed Youkilis like a child while backpedalling and being tackled

Bald/beard and liking to yell does not make one tough.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jun 3, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Brewers will throw at us:

Wolf
Narveson
Bush

this weekend. Two soft tossing lefties (one a former Cardinal) and a guy with a nice beard (did he shave it?). We throw Wainwright, Ottavino, Garcia Im guessing.

Colby is 1-7 off Narveson, 1-4 off Bush, and has never faced Wolf. Does he sit against one of the lefties? Which one?

Formerly known as The_teague. F'in SBN.
'You're playing like Betty White out there!'
'That's not what your girlfriend said.'

by Heisenberg on Jun 3, 2010 5:09 PM EDT reply actions  

maybe narveson cause he is more left-handed specialist

that’s the role he had before he moved into the rotation

Rasmus can hit lefties
cardinalred
St. Louis Sports blog

by stlcardsfan4 on Jun 3, 2010 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rumor mill in Mariners World

We play Cincinnati June 18-20, which would be a PERFECT time to honor Griffey.

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jun 3, 2010 5:45 PM EDT reply actions  

I always suspected bj rains was a needy creep.

 BJRains Starting a new feature next week called ‘Way back when’ where I interview a high school friend/ex-girlfriend, etc. of a Cardinals player.. about 1 hour ago via web

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 3, 2010 6:26 PM EDT reply actions  

God, that is SO one hour ago

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jun 3, 2010 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

HAHA

Regression, bitches.

by spants on Jun 3, 2010 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm really channeling my pubescent teenage girl today

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jun 3, 2010 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Today?

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jun 3, 2010 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

don't worry

he’ll re-tweet himself in another hour

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 3, 2010 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

bahaha

Strauss mocks him

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 3, 2010 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Strauss is the last person that should mock anybody.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 3, 2010 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

huh

sounds kinda neat

I'll leave this to Lao Tzu

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 3, 2010 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hate that I follow him on Twitter, but sometimes he has good info.

Same with Strauss. Strauss is 95% asshole commentary, though. Rains is never a dick, just hapless.

Regression, bitches.

by spants on Jun 3, 2010 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

i thought so too, but I don't think he has the sense to keep out of tabloid territory

i bet if some ex-girlfriend said something about first dates and clown clothes, he’d print that.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 3, 2010 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly. Utterly hapless.

He thinks it will be good, but it really will just make the players dislike him.

Regression, bitches.

by spants on Jun 3, 2010 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't get the feeling the ex-girlfriend angle is the best one to take

I certainly would not like to have that one done to me.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jun 3, 2010 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

But we could have the oft-wondered question of

“Who’s the biggest” answered

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jun 3, 2010 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

like he'd really go through the trouble of researching

or he would, but then tweet his progress every three hours.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 3, 2010 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

verily

like clockwork

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 3, 2010 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

i like how BJ is all about the players' personalities

the walkup music article was awesome.

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jun 3, 2010 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

and the uniform numbers one

he’s good in his own area.
cribbing off others is the other thing, though.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 3, 2010 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

ah great

sbn just decided to eat about 40 mins worth of my posts. Curse this basement!!!!

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jun 3, 2010 6:30 PM EDT reply actions  

damn

I wanted to read that. was it a fanpost?

I'll leave this to Lao Tzu

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 3, 2010 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

it might have autosaved

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 3, 2010 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

rectastic

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jun 3, 2010 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

nice

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 3, 2010 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh hey - I took my 80 year old grandma to lunch with some of her friends.

She’s friends with a woman whose uncle is Terry Moore. So I talked a bit of baseball history with an 80 year old woman today! She said that Musial told her that Moore was the best CFer he ever saw. Maybe Stan was being nice, but looks like Moore was quite a valuable player for about half his career.

Regression, bitches.

by spants on Jun 3, 2010 6:32 PM EDT reply actions  

hey spants

are there any good free games to download for blackberry that don’t require connecting to the internet? I need something for the subway.

also, have you ever listened to a game on radio or mlb.tv on the blackberry? I am taking amtrak tomorrow, might need to catch the first part of the game that way

I'll leave this to Lao Tzu

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 3, 2010 6:35 PM EDT reply actions  

On my old Curve I had the MLB Gameday app for BlackBerry but they've since overhauled the app.

It’s probably better now. But yes, I’ve used that.

I’ve never listened via radio on the BlackBerry. Not sure how you would do that, but if you find a way let me know. My husband will still have the phone even though I get my Evo tomorrow.

Regression, bitches.

by spants on Jun 3, 2010 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

It purports to let you do it through the gameday app

But when I went to log in the other day, it told me I was going to have to pay some additional mobile fee which ticked me off because I have already paid for the internet audio through MLB. So I didn’t proceed.

by OCCardsFan on Jun 3, 2010 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

OT: In all the talk yesterday about Oswalt only wanting to be traded

to one of 3 teams, of which the Cards are one, no one mentioned how cool it would be to have the #1 and #2 vote-getters for the 2001 ROY award on the same team. Just for that privilege, I think we ought to go and get him, cost be damned.

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jun 3, 2010 6:36 PM EDT reply actions  

I wonder if they would take Skip, Stav, and Miles

plus our entire farm system. probably not.

I'll leave this to Lao Tzu

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 3, 2010 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

You know,

if he really wanted to be traded he’d give them back some of their money just to get outta town.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 3, 2010 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

true

I was being hyperbolic. we wouldn’t include miller or lynn

I'll leave this to Lao Tzu

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 3, 2010 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I figured.

I was just being somewhat facetious towards him wanting out but not making it easy on the teams he wants to go to.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 3, 2010 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

still pretty early

poor guy will be on the astros for another month probably, or more

I'll leave this to Lao Tzu

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 3, 2010 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

It would be disheartening to have been on that team when they were good,

and to be on it now when they’re terrible. It’s not like he couldn’t still be a productive pitcher, but that price tag is just way too high right now.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 3, 2010 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would think it'll be a deadline deal

that’s when his price would be the highest, I would think.

by nota bene on Jun 4, 2010 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

well, it works both ways

if they traded him now, they effectively get ~$5.5M additional salary relief, + whatever they get in return, + the $6M he’d earn after the deadline. And he would pitch almost twice as many games for the team he’s traded to, compared to what would happen if he was traded at the deadline, so he’d have more value to a wealthy team.

I’m guessing the net return to the Astros, when salary relief is considered, stays about the same between now and July 31, and his value to a team like Toronto or Boston goes down daily.

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by SleepyCA on Jun 4, 2010 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

i still see a good fit with the nats

a wealthy ownership about to bring up a young mentor-able stud, and building a fan base with harper on the horizon – hell, one bat in right too and they might be looking ok…not that i’m advocating trading lud but we do seem to be giving plenty of auditions, and the nats have been sniffing around corey hart all year already.

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by cardball on Jun 4, 2010 3:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

they'd certainly take our entire farm system

but would balk at the inclusion of stav and miles (they might accept skip).

once oswalt is dealt, they’d likely deal berkman, so i’d bet allen craig could probably get it done, so long as we are paying all that salary (which of course is the problem for us). if we included hamilton and descalso, then we could get them to eat salary.

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by cardball on Jun 3, 2010 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

have you seen some of the guys they run out there every day?

Manzella? Blum? Miles and Stav might be right up their alley…

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by madding on Jun 3, 2010 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

If they would take the top three

…then they might as well fold the Houston tent. The McLane/Wade team is not a good one, but if they went that far they’d deserve to lose their team.

Seriously though, what would it take? Miller, for sure, then probably some mix of DJ Tools, Lynn, Anderson, and some other fringy major leaguer or something would probably be a starting point, right?

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by redbirdnation8206 on Jun 3, 2010 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anderson, gosh me, it's not 2007 anymore

I meant Descalso. Idiot.

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by redbirdnation8206 on Jun 3, 2010 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

they aren't going to get a prospect anything like miller

unless they eat all of oswalt’s contract. i think people are overestimating the value of oswalt – not even pujols is the most valuable trading asset in baseball – that would probably be longoria. money factors in, and so it depends on how much the stros are willing to pony up of oswalt’s contract. if they eat the entire thing, they get better prospects. if they eat none, they get someone like craig. and then there are all the shades in-between.

iirc, the dodgers in the past few years made a big blunder, but i forget who it was for – maybe blake? in any event, they wanted the other team to pay the salary (even though it was nowhere near oswalt’s, but mccourt is/was really in it for the money, and strapped), so they were willing to give up a top catching prospect to get the salary relief.

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by cardball on Jun 3, 2010 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, thanks

so i’m thinking it must have been the blake deal.

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by cardball on Jun 3, 2010 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

You could toss in the Gateway Arch and not be successful if you included Miles

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by akaitori on Jun 4, 2010 3:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

heh

   #mlb #nationals It’s official. Bryce Harper is suspended for 2 games, meaning that he very well may have played his last amateur game. about 20 hours ago via web

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by Yadi2Second on Jun 3, 2010 8:48 PM EDT reply actions  

What in the hell is on that boy's face?

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by The Continental on Jun 3, 2010 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's been all the rage in little league for a while

it’s kind of tribal. I think they usually flush that out in the minors. but I’ve seen LaRue with modest ones, just recently.

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by Yadi2Second on Jun 3, 2010 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I always picture kids watching the Frosted Flakes ads while they stripe up

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by Yadi2Second on Jun 3, 2010 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmm, I haven't seen it in ours.

Maybe that’s for kids that know which way to run the bases?

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by The Continental on Jun 3, 2010 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

suspended by the coach or the league, and for what?

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by cardball on Jun 3, 2010 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

The editing on the video is kind of weird...

http://minors.mlblogs.com/archives/2010/06/harper_ejection.html

The pitch seems to be way outside.

Tis better to lose bunting than win with dingers alone...

by guayzimi on Jun 3, 2010 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

that was pretty bad

and it’s the world series. had he stood there and deliberately drawn a line, that’s one thing. but scraping the bat while walking away?

the same exact thing happened to a kid i was coaching, two years younger than harper. everything exactly the same – the outside strike, the reaction, no words, his importance to the team, etc. it was the semifinals, and he was ejected in the fifth inning with us down a run (3-2) and he was our best player in all of hitting, pitching, and fielding, and supposed to pitch the 6th and 7th. we came back in the bottom of the 7th to win the game, but he was suspended from the championship game, where he was supposed to pitch 5 innings, and which we lost 4-3 in a game we win handily, probably 5 or 6 to 1, with him in there. i didn’t give him a break, and made him apologize to his teammates, but i swore if i ever ran across that ump somewhere…

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by cardball on Jun 3, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

In Babe Ruth we had an ump that called really low strikes, like ankle high.

A friend of mine went up to bat in the first inning with a 3 iron, he got tossed pretty quickly.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 3, 2010 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha

is that true? if so, he was prepared, huh? can’t believe the coach would allow it though, unless there were playing-time rules and he was the worst player.

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by cardball on Jun 3, 2010 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, it's true alright.

The coach was on 3B and my friend’s team was in the 1B dugout and the coach didn’t see it until he was already up at the plate. I think he hid it with a bat until the last second. And he wasn’t the worst player.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 3, 2010 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'd think the coach was displeased

it’s funny though – what was this, like 13-14? that’s when i’ve usually noticed some funny things.

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by cardball on Jun 4, 2010 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't remember all the details to it. This was 25 yrs ago man.lol

Babe Ruth was 13-15. I doubt the coach was too happy but once Chris got an idea in his head, there wasn’t much that was going to stop him.lol

You're the fail to my win?
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 4, 2010 3:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, at that age i usually let them pull stunts

by acting like i don’t know what’s about to occur, just so i can pass on some wisdom from my father: do anything you feel big enough to do, and then be willing to pay the piper. i’ve had to let some plots unfold just so i could come down on some guys.

( a couple other fatherisms: don’t have a bigger mouth than your ass can handle, and, if you think like everyone else you can look however you want, but when you don’t you better at least look like them).

also, perhaps inspired by the galarraga saga, my nephew tossed a no-no tonight. he’ll be in 8th grade next year, but is playing with high schoolers. been a good year for my pitchers so far (perhaps motivated also by john ely, who like all the old guys who’ve come through the pipeline works with the young ones – like a good kid should)

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by cardball on Jun 4, 2010 3:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Congrats to your nephew.

I’ve got a nephew that got picked by a traveling college team for the summer that needed a lefty middle reliever. I think he was planning on working this summer and was really surprised he got the call.

You're the fail to my win?
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 4, 2010 3:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

where abouts are you, and/or your nephew -

aren’t you in southern illinois somewhere? and do you have any specifics on your nephew’s team – name, where they play, etc?

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by cardball on Jun 4, 2010 3:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm down around Salem, IL.

My nephew is playing out of ,I think, Owensboro, KY. It’s made up of college age kids from IN, IL, KY. I’ll try to get more specifics. I’ll have to nail my nephew down on FB. Unfortunately his JuCo hasn’t updated his stats. The line he had was:
7games, 19 2/3 innings, 21 hits, 27 SO, 10 walks, 8ER. then they had 16 runs, I have no idea if that was inherited runners or if they were including runs scored due to errors. And he pitched a lot more than that.

You're the fail to my win?
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 4, 2010 4:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

owensboro is a hotbed of baseball

man, those kentucky teams were always tough, usually the cream of the crop in tourneys. and they usually divided kentucky into two parts, so you could get stuck playing two of them (i think the other was always lexington, unless that’s anywhere near owensboro and thus in the same “half”).

does he go to juco in kentucky? a buddy of mine (pitcher) roomed with joe blanton at u of k and in the minors, and they are best pals. i got a lot of feedback on our series in philly this year, though most of it i’d have to kill you if i repeated it.

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by cardball on Jun 4, 2010 4:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Lexington is about halfway across KY. It's about 3 1/2 hrs from here.

Owensboro is probably about 1 1/2 hrs from Lex. it’s prolly a good 2 from here.

 He goes to Rend Lake in IL. I think he did better as the season went on, he had some growing pains at the beginning. They usually start out playing southern teams in Alabama, Miss, etc… And a lot of JV teams of 4 yr schools. So he found out real quick that he wasn’t in HS anymore. He was used to just mowing them down in HS.

You're the fail to my win?
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 4, 2010 5:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, everybody starts out with their southern swing

due to the weather. and the southern teams are happy to greet them. where’s rend lake jc, around carlyle?

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 4, 2010 5:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rend is south of Mt. Vernon about 10 miles or so.

Kaskaskia College is closer to Carlyle.

You're the fail to my win?
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 4, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

oh, and as for my nephew

i’d give him a pat on the back and say, “congratulations, you must have a helluva coach”

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 4, 2010 3:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

LOL.

You're the fail to my win?
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 4, 2010 4:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

That was a runable action.

Dust flew up towards the ump, and after seeing this link to Ichiro last year, and reading the accompanying article, it’s just one of those things you don’t do. An unspoken magic word.
Money quote

“He was ejected for drawing a line,” crew chief Jerry Layne told a pool reporter. “Even his manager said, ‘I can’t take up for him when they draw a line like that.’ It was kind of a cut-and-dry thing.”

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jun 3, 2010 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

i don't know

they look pretty different to me. ichiro first had words with the ump, and then deliberately (as in slowly) stood there and drew a line in the dirt. harper didn’t say a word, and swiped the bat at the dirt as he was walking away, which could have just as easily been taken as frustration as showing up the ump, no different than a bat slam – had he been in the first base dugout it might be different, but he was walking toward his dugout.

it’s not pertinent, but ichiro’s looked like a strike, and harper’s was way outside. also not pertinent, but the stands sure looked packed – i wonder who they were there to see?

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by cardball on Jun 3, 2010 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't disagree that there are differences.

The underlying point however, is that you don’t draw a line in the box with your bat.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jun 3, 2010 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

until you mentioned the drawing the line

i didn’t even think that on the harper video. having now read the article with it, they say the same thing, and i can see that may be. when i watched it initially i saw it as just a bat slam type thing. i know my kid definitely didn’t draw any lines, yet what he did looked pretty much like harper. he was batting righty and had to walk to the first-base dugout and swiped at the dirt around the plate as he crossed.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 4, 2010 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

mostly OT

i had my senior class night at the high school tonight. i got two scholarships – one for $10,000 ($2500 a year) that was for people w/ disabilities and one for $1,000. hard to believe that i’m graduating on sunday.

…as for the cards, i thought they had a game… and then i remembered that today was an off-day.

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by zoomzoomj88 on Jun 3, 2010 9:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Congrats on graduating. :)

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by Taskmaster on Jun 3, 2010 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Congrats all around, zoomzoom

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VEB: WWGTD

by The Continental on Jun 3, 2010 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know if that goes to disabilities.

Is certifiably insane a disability?

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 3, 2010 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

is ADD?

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 3, 2010 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

What were we talking about?

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 3, 2010 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

ha

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 3, 2010 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

i have a disability, moran.

Albert's grand slam, 7/3/09
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Boog's reviving the 'stache!!! Woohoo!
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by zoomzoomj88 on Jun 4, 2010 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Congrats ZZ.

And good job on the scholarships. Every little bit helps.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 3, 2010 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

i just sent my boss

a relatively long email and at the bottom gave him a tl;dr version. is this win?

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jun 3, 2010 9:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Orioles manager Dave Trembley to be fired.

Raise your hand if you knew that the Orioles manager was Dave Trembley.

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by The Continental on Jun 3, 2010 9:40 PM EDT reply actions  

It's tough to keep track of the shitty teams that keep firing their managers...

I don’t even know who manages the Pirates. McClendon? He got canned about three managers ago.

Tis better to lose bunting than win with dingers alone...

by guayzimi on Jun 3, 2010 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

russell

and i’ll raise my hand to the above. i’m not sure who manages the royals though – was it yost took over? if so, and if riggleman is the nats guy, i think i know them all.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 3, 2010 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Toronto?

Tis better to lose bunting than win with dingers alone...

by guayzimi on Jun 3, 2010 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know that one, though!

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by The Continental on Jun 3, 2010 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

same as it ever was

with a break in-between, cito gaston, i’m pretty damn sure.

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by cardball on Jun 3, 2010 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Neddly is, indeed, the Royals interim skipper.

You’re a better man than I, cardball. I’d be hopelessly lost trying to name all 30.

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VEB: WWGTD

by The Continental on Jun 3, 2010 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nelly?

That’s awesome.

I was wondering what he was doing. Hasn’t had an album in a while.

by thepainguy on Jun 3, 2010 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

let's see how many i can name

cards – tony la russa
reds – dusty baker
cubs – lou piniella
phillies – charlie manuel
yankees – joe girardi
mets – jerry manuel
angels – mike sciocia
white sox – ozzie guillen
braves – bobby cox
dodgers – joe torre

yeah

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jun 4, 2010 2:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

you are just forgetting the teams

not the managers. you know the red sox, and rays, and rangers, and astros for sure.

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by cardball on Jun 4, 2010 3:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

I couldn't remember Pittsburgh

but I can remember pretty much all of them.

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by Taskmaster on Jun 3, 2010 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

there must have been someone between lloyd m. and russell

was jim tracy ever there – maybe got fired and became a coach with rocks before taking over for hurdle?

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 3, 2010 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, Jim Tracy was fired

right around the time Nutting and Huntington came into power.

In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Jun 4, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

there should be a time period

in which you are required to fire your GM based on having X number of managers in Y time. say… more than 3 in 5 years… something like that.

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by madding on Jun 3, 2010 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

this actually makes sense

of course the gm would stop firing them at the breaking point, but…

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 3, 2010 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

so he never fires a manager, because that could be it for him?

or he assumes everyone gets one, but after that he stands pat.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 3, 2010 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

just kidding

i wonder how many gm’s get fired, though, without ever having fired a manager?

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 4, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

BBTN showing Tim Bogar is trying to outdo Jose Oquendo

In sending lemmings to slaughter.

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

by TBender on Jun 3, 2010 10:20 PM EDT reply actions  

who is bogar with?

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 3, 2010 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Boston

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

by TBender on Jun 3, 2010 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

not exactly speed merchants over there as well

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 3, 2010 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha

manny fall down

I'll leave this to Lao Tzu

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 3, 2010 11:43 PM EDT reply actions  

uh

yeah, of course I have heard them. I was referring to the retarded arm motions he’s making! that weird roundhouse shit looks freakin hillarious.

but yeah, Zach Hill is insane. I especially like the songs Dull Fangs and World Series

I'll leave this to Lao Tzu

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 4, 2010 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

I mean

cmon, a cover of Wipe Out with drum solo featuring the singer of the band playing drums off an audience member, what’s not to like.

I'll leave this to Lao Tzu

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 4, 2010 2:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks in large part due to Azru

and the curiosity that his avatar generated, I started watching Futurama. One of the better decisions of viewership I’ve ever made. Nearing the end of season 3 now and it’s been great. I highly recommend the show for anyone who hasn’t watched it.

The first thing that a pitcher has to understand is that Albert is better than you.-- Jim Palmer

by ilrosso on Jun 4, 2010 1:04 AM EDT reply actions  

a little behind, huh?

babip giveth... and babip taketh away

by purple_haze on Jun 4, 2010 1:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think his derriere is an adequete size

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by mysterui on Jun 4, 2010 1:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Kevin Butler

(the guy in the PlayStation commercials) has a twitter feed with a bunch of #3yearslatetoLOST tweets. Good for a laugh if you’ve got the time.

Think; It's not illegal yet.

by azruavatar on Jun 4, 2010 8:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah.

But the 6th season starts soon, and I wanted to be caught up by then so I can actually watch at least one of the seasons as it airs.

The first thing that a pitcher has to understand is that Albert is better than you.-- Jim Palmer

by ilrosso on Jun 4, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Matchups dawg

umm Brendan Ryan should start Friday and Sunday for sure
he’s 4-7 off Randy Wolf and 3-8 off of Dave Bush

Yadier Molina by the way has THREE homers off Bush in just 18 at-bats (a fourth this weekend?)

Everybody loves Bush (don’t even!) – Holliday is 6-14, Schumacher is 7-17

Also Pujols is batting .350 against Wolf, 2-4 against Narveson, and .300 against Bush so that should be a good weekend for him

Overall I like our matchups (for the record, Waino pretty much owns every guy on the Brewers except Counsell (batting .300) and Escobar (.333 with 6 at-bats though), and Ottavino and Garcia have a short track record to grade on

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by stlcardsfan4 on Jun 4, 2010 1:50 AM EDT reply actions  

Those are all incredibly small sample sizes

They’re really not predictive of anything

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by mysterui on Jun 4, 2010 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wonder how Lopex is doing

and Luddy, hope their respective digits are feeling well.

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 4, 2010 2:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'd like to see Boog at short most of the time, and Lopex at second

I would be very proud of that mif. one hits really well, the other fields extremely well. then Freeser kinda balances out the two over at the hot corner. and well, Albert is Albert. our outfield kicks ass. Yadi rules. 2010 Cards is probably my favorite incarnation

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 4, 2010 2:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

for the record

Here’s how I would do MI based off matchups
Friday – Lopez at 2B, Boog at SS
Saturday – Lopez at SS, Schu at 2B
Sunday – Schu at 2B, Boog at SS

Just me but Schu rakes Bush (17 at-bats)

Luddy by the way is ehh this weekend… .267 (!5) against Bush, .167 (12) against Wolf, and 0-3 vs. Narveson

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by stlcardsfan4 on Jun 4, 2010 2:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dude, you gotta stop with the small sample size thing

You think 12 at bats is meaningful?

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by mysterui on Jun 4, 2010 2:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

who cares?

its the only stuff we have….. not to mention this is what tony does… matchups whether right or wrong

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by stlcardsfan4 on Jun 4, 2010 4:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

that seems pretty fair

but I’d probably not play Lopez at short unless there’s no other options. but then again, I’d use skip as a utility guy, dfa miles, bring up greene to give boog a day off every once in a while, etc. I’d make Lopez the starter, let Schu play there when Lopez gets a day off or when Lopez fills in for Freese

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 4, 2010 2:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Any chance of commercial products with the TLR/Miles and Krispy Kreme illustrations?

Classics each. . .

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by akaitori on Jun 4, 2010 3:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

hmmm

might be copyright issues, no? not sure about krispy kreme illustrations? must have slipped my mind

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 4, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

im not in the Schu should be benched camp

mostly cause i think he’ll come around and be .300 hitting Schu (or close to it)

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by stlcardsfan4 on Jun 4, 2010 4:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

so you think he's a better overall player than lopex?

or you think his offensive upgrade over boog is worth more than boog’s clearly substantial defensive upgrade, taking into account that would then put lopex at short? or you think lopex should be on the bench?

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by cardball on Jun 4, 2010 4:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

i think it should be like i have above

in a 3 game series, each player gets 2 starts….
with the way boog was playing (.160…)(not sure if his slump is over but good signs!), you can’t possibly have him play everyday…… felipe was only other option

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by stlcardsfan4 on Jun 4, 2010 5:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

if you bring Skip in as a defensive replacement

(it’s happened!) and he gets a hit, he’ll get to .300 faster, and if he doesn’t, it won’t his average too much.

of course, we don’t know if that’ll cost us the game, but that’s not any different from the ways Tony finds to do so.

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by Yadi2Second on Jun 4, 2010 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

that's not necessarily true

doesn’t skip SUCK when not given regular playing time… and lol at the defensive replacement

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by stlcardsfan4 on Jun 4, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

the only way that skip is better at 2nd base than Lopex

is he probably has a better arm. other than that, he’s too unreliable imo

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 4, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

huh?

obviously if he raises his average up, im assuming his OPS raises too….

btw his OPS for his career would be .741… so I’m guessing I’m saying I expect his OPS to return to normal too….

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by stlcardsfan4 on Jun 5, 2010 3:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

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