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I'm battling a U-Verse router and Microsoft Vista at the moment and they are winning.  There's a decent chance that I will re-enact the printer scene from Office Space with the part of PRINTER being played by my desktop computer.  I think desktop can admirably act the part.

As I sit down to write, I must commit myself to not writing about Colby Rasmus for another week in a row.  I won't do it.  You derserve better. . . Did you know he hit a 3 run HR yesterday and has 8 HRs this month. BOOM!

Star-divide

I don't think I can sufficiently criticize the managing process with Aaron Miles right now.  The idea that he should be the DH in any game is beyond ridiculous regardless of the results.  Tyler Greene, 27 in August, continues to languish in Memphis despite a .300/.368/.464 line for the season. If we're really wanting to compare the two players though, the best way to do so would be a projection that incorporates the season's work to date. 

Fortunately for all of us, CHONE has recently updated the projections for both players. Aaron Miles, listed as a 2B, comes in at a -22 per 150 games offensively and -1 defensively. Tyler Greene is listed at -14 and 0 as a SS.  So the differential between those two players is 14 runs per 150 games. 

There's a couple further points to consider as well.  Tyler Greene's projection has a higher degree of variability given his limited time in the majors.  That means that not only is Greene better than Miles on average but his high end projection is considerably more than a 14 run spread.  I'd contend that the worse case scenario is that the 10 percentile tails of the distribution are roughly equal. (Admittedly, I'm pulling that out of thin air. The point is, if you accept the higher variability, that only furthers the argument for Greene.)

It's important to capture the positional difference as opportunity cost as well. The Cardinals roster already has a player well suited to platooning with Skip at 2nd. What it doesn't have is a player well-equipped to platoon with Brendan Ryan at SS. Tyler Greene is that player.  Neither Felipe Lopez nor Aaron Miles is a plus defender at short. Given the groundball tendencies of the staff, defense in the infield is critical. You couldn't build a roster where Tyler Greene would be a better fit than the one the Cardinals have now. Seriously.

Undoubtedly some will argue that there are non-quantifiable points in Aaron Miles favor. I'd agree with them.  By all accounts, he's a tremendous person and a great addition to the clubhouse. He's willing to accept a diminished role on the team without complaint and is eminently a 'company' man.  He's a veteran and I'd count that in his favor.  I do not take issue with acknowledging the intangibles are in Miles favor. The difficulty is that we have substantial evidence that indicates a) Miles is not a major league and b) he's simply not as good as Tyler Greene based on the objective, quantifiable evidence.  In the face of such evidence, the default position should be to err toward the tangibles and the quantifiable because when you're at the plate, with a split second to react, being a good guy doesn't help you swing the bat faster.

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Chris Carpenter is 31 innings shy of pitching 1000 in Cardinal red.  I'm not a baseball historian so I can't do his St. Louis career justice but I hope someone takes up that mantle because I feel like we can write 2010 down as the beginning of the end.  His velocity is down significantly this year.  Not only is it down on average but his fastball peak is down  a great deal as well. Carpenter seems to have lost that extra bit of fast. 

Amazingly, he's still exceedingly effective despite the downturn in speed. With a 3.73 FIP and a 3.59 xFIP, it may seem foolish for me to wet my pen for the obituary of his career. Perhaps I should redact the word "amazingly" because this ability to pitch despite not having his best stuff is how I'll remember Carpenter.  When he's healthy and dealing, he's on par with any pitcher in the game. When he's injured or has diminished stuff, he still manages to not only keep his team in the game - the addition of Jeff Suppan in 2010 has taught me that keeping one's team in the game is not a terribly high standard as it is being applied this year - but to gut out an eminently satisfying performance.

The Cardinals owe Carpenter a cool $15M next year and have a $15M club option (I love club options and you should too!) in 2012 with a $1M buyout.  When the contract was first offered, I was against it. Not in the categorical sense but rather in the confused sense. Carpenter still had a year on his contract and an injury history that reads like a who's who of body parts.  In the first three years of the contract, 2007-2009, the Cardinals paid Carpenter $33M for 6.2 WAR in performance.  They overpaid though not exorbitantly. There's a good chance that Carpenter could match his contract for performance after this season. 

Regardless, Chris Carpenter has been a critical part of the 2000s Cardinals.  As he approaches 1000IP, I think it might be time to say he's simply been a critical part of the Cardinals' franchise.

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Five promotions that I would like to see from the St. Louis Cardinals:

  1. Colby Rasmus bobblehead night - I want a Colby Rasmus bobblehead.
  2. Kyle Lohse sling night - The first 5000 fans get a arm sling with the STL logo and Kyle Lohse's signature stamped on it.
  3. Goatee Night - Be your favorite member of the parent trap: Aaron Miles, Nick Stavinoha or Jeff Suppan.  Which one do you want to be?
  4. Seat Cushion night - When I'm banging my head against the wall because Aaron Miles is placed in a critical situation during a game, I'd like something authentically Cardinals to soften the blow.
  5. St. Louis vuvuzela night - I want a vuvuzela. C'mon, you knew this was coming.

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I think the Marlins showed the

vuvuzela in the US is not going to work. If it was annoying to the majority of 30-some fans at a Marlins game, imagine how much a crowd of 30,000 at a Cardinals game is going to hate every person tooting their own horn.

"He’s in his own world out there. He says he doesn’t cuss. I disagree." - Skip Schumaker on Jason Motte
Austin Wilson, please don't be a tease!

by BVHeck on Jun 27, 2010 2:10 AM EDT reply actions  

Someone had a Vuvuzela at the AC St. Louis game tonight...

But he was afraid to pull it out anymore after all the menacing looks he got the first time he blew it.

by oplaid on Jun 27, 2010 2:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

topical

Albert Pujols is ridiculous.

by stlhulsey on Jun 27, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

does this mean

we have to move all our MacBeth riffs over here?

as for promotions, I have already stated that I am all for towels.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 27, 2010 2:11 AM EDT reply actions  

i will advocate again for stirrup night at the park

and the whole team will wear them that night, even apu. the fans can slip theirs on if they wish.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 27, 2010 2:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

And riding crops, too!

What? Oh.

I'm out of champagna. How about some 7-Up and Mad Dog 20/20?

by The Continental on Jun 27, 2010 2:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

that's not what they mean by 'riding that horse', t_c.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 27, 2010 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hey, that last one was Hamlet.

I don't give a fuck who you confuse me with.

by chalk on Jun 27, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

so whose fault is that, yorrick?

heh heh heh

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 27, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

1000 innings?

go carp

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jun 27, 2010 2:18 AM EDT reply actions  

That's a lot of dialog to get in

while they’re smacking around KCs catcher.

I'm out of champagna. How about some 7-Up and Mad Dog 20/20?

by The Continental on Jun 27, 2010 2:26 AM EDT reply actions  

unless i lose about 40 lbs., i think i'll have to go as stav.

Also, since azru restrained himself, I’ll say it.

Colby is fucking awesome.

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Jun 27, 2010 2:50 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

unless i lose about 40 lbs., i think i'll have to go as stav.

Also, since azru restrained himself, I’ll say it.

Colby is fucking awesome.

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Jun 27, 2010 2:56 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

sbn'd or just trying to make sure everyone got it?

yes, cheese is awesome
i wish he’d strike out less but still pretty awesome

by d-dee on Jun 27, 2010 2:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

i dunno, they're 6 minutes apart

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jun 27, 2010 3:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

if he could improve his k-rate he would really be something -

get more balls in play when you have the speed, give yourself a chance. the pitcher made a mistake and got the ball inside on him today and paid, but colby is going to have to hit the outer pitch or rely only on mistakes. tony says he could develop into a .300 hitter, so there’s that.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 27, 2010 3:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Neither Felipe Lopez nor Aaron Miles is a plus defender at short.

Please don’t even mention Miles and SS in the same sentence. Not even towel nights would make that one better to watch.

I also think you are probably right about Carp beginning to decline but I hope you’re wrong. Greinke e.g .also hasn’t quite been the pitcher this season that he was last year but that doesn’t necessarily mean he’s declining, he’s just having that kind of year so far. Same thing might be happening to Carp.
Of course, the fact that Carp is entering the second half of his 30s isn’t exactly something that can be ignored

by d-dee on Jun 27, 2010 2:56 AM EDT reply actions  

carp has one more year

the club will decline the option, but hopefully can work something else out for another year, or two – see how it goes. greinke has been old greinke the last two starts after a change in his mechanics, but i don’t know what it was – 14/2 GO/FO followed by a 16 GO/FO against us is pretty impressive.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 27, 2010 3:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

I am more worried

about batting AM as the DH. Maybe I have missed some threads, but I cannot fathom that we cannot put a better bat up there, although I guess if I say Stav, that will not go down well. I have been in the field for a week with little internet, but where is Luddy? I saw one thing about calf cramps. Going back to previous discussions, my view is Greene for Miles, Craig for Stav. But I have no numbers to support that assertion, in part because I think that it has already been discussed ad infinitum.

by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Jun 27, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Alas, the real question is...

how do we get rid of Miles?

I think probably everyone reading agrees that he’s, well, terrible. So much so even Tyler Greene is an upgrade.

It’s like watching a wreck about to happen, you just watch it, helplessly, unable to do anything.

I think the terrible thing is he’s probably going to be able to hit around .260-270. Almost all singles and no walks. Decent enough (in Tony’s eyes) so that he will stay on the team for the rest of the year.

by DiscoJer on Jun 27, 2010 3:08 AM EDT reply actions  

god bcb is going crazy right now

this is ridiculous, they need to get their head out of their ass and stop thinking so reactionary…..

Carlos Zambrano, by no means, has lived up to his contract, but its fucking stupid to say that he’s been their worst player….. im not even sure he’s their worst pitcher when going by FIP

and i love how everyone is like… we need to get rid of him, i don’t care how much of the contract we pay is hilarious…. screw getting bang for our buck, let’s just pay him and trade him anyway for what is undoubtedly crap players….

Rasmus can hit lefties
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by stlcardsfan4 on Jun 27, 2010 3:16 AM EDT reply actions  

I wouldn't give their troubles to a monkey on a rock.

Because, seriously, it’s more fun when the BCB crew piss and moan, and what would a monkey know about baseball anyway?

I'm out of champagna. How about some 7-Up and Mad Dog 20/20?

by The Continental on Jun 27, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't give their troubles to the rock under the monkey.

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

by TBender on Jun 27, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

and they are kind of right

he has to go, and soon, so they will basically eat that contract. there is no way he can redeem himself for the umpteenth time, and his value is not going to increase in the pen or while suspended. plus, the cubs cannot add a player in his place, so as long as he’s suspended they play a man short. oh, and he has a no-trade, so they’re going to have to play it just right to get him to agree. otherwise they can’t even trade him for a bag of balls while eating most of his contract.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 27, 2010 3:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

why does he HAVE to go?

here’s why he won’t be able to go…
1) his contract is unmovable – there’s no way somebody will trade for him while paying the full salary
2) he’s not even doing bad
8.57 K/9, 4.15 FIP, ..377 BABIP (!!!!), 4.04 BB/9 (which would be 4th worst)
anyway point being, he’s getting extremely unlucky right now and his K/9 is career high, his BB/9 isn’t anything he hasn’t done before, and his ERA projected for the rest of the season is 3.77 FWIW
3) he’s been a 3 WAR player consistently for a while now – why the hell just trade him for probably C grade prospects while eating more than half his salary – that’s just stupid

of course, any trade would suck for them right now – and if you’re suggested just flat-out dropping him, well that’s retarded – i hope the cards pick him up if he’s available for free otherwise they won’t trade him for anything good and its not worth it in the end
 
bad contract or not, Zambrano will be a good player and its stupid to trade him away for nothing

Rasmus can hit lefties
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St. Louis Sports blog

by stlcardsfan4 on Jun 27, 2010 4:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

i guarantee you the cards would not trade for zambrano if the deal was

chicago paid the full salary and we only had to send them miles. but some teams probably would, so chicago should just pick up his full salary and trade him for something, anything, or just release him. it’s pretty clear he’s never going to be in the rotation again, they’ll stick him in the pen and only use him for mop-up if he doesn’t waive the no-trade, so if he wants to pitch it would be better for both sides if there was a trade, just like with bradley. perhaps they could even get a bad contract in return – unfortunately for them, the jays would never trade wells for him and let him around their stable of young pitchers, the cubs can’t trade soriano for him since they are on the same team…maybe they could eat enough and get the astros to take him while ridding themselves of carlos lee’s contract, but i doubt it. we’re talking about a pitcher who would be our 5th starter and makes 19 mil per year for the foreseeable future.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 27, 2010 4:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

i didn't say anything about the cards trading for him

i said if the cubs just flat-out dropped him, i would want them to sign him to a major league minimum which could happen if they dropped him cause he wants to shove it in the ass of the cubs probably

nobody would take on that salary…. not even for free…. and i have no idea who would trade good prospects for him with his temper

and they can’t really do a bad contract for bad contract unless you have a good example…. lee wouldn’t work cause they have soriano locked up at LF and Lee can’t play anywhere else

for the record, the reason i said i would sign him at major league minimum if the cubs flat-out drop him is because the worst that can happen is that he sucks and we release him

can we both agree that it would stupid for the cubs to flat-out drop him?

Rasmus can hit lefties
cardinalred
St. Louis Sports blog

by stlcardsfan4 on Jun 27, 2010 4:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

no, i don't agree

if they can’t deal him, or if he won’t agree, they should just drop him.

and, like i said, the cards would not take him for ml minimum, which is the example i gave of them trading miles (nothing) for him and the cubs paying the entire salary. he will never ever get near the card dugout so long as larussa is here, so i think that is a moot point. you do realize this isn’t a one-time thing with z, right, that it’s a recurring nightmare? they have to hope someone is desperate at the deadline and will take him for peanuts, and that z will ok the deal. if a team did take him for nothing, then they could just drop him after the season or not, but it will not be the cards – not only from our perspective, but from theirs too.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 27, 2010 4:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

hmm... well he's better than anybody we have in the 4th or 5th spots now easily

also the change of scenery onto a good club would definitely change things IMO – i mean if he completely whacks out again, then we release him… i really see a huge reward with a relatively minor risk tbh

they won’t be able to deal him and if they do, you can bet they got fucked so i really don’t get the point of dealing him

they should get some bang for their buck in my opinion…. and he’s proven to get 3 WAR which is about 10 million….. if they release him he’s getting you 0 million

also i really don’t get what releasing him would do… the cubs suck already so a division title’s not at stack and if you keep him he’ll raise his trading stock (probably not enough, but there are some dumb GMs)… his trading value is at its lowest right now so i say put him on the field where he’ll get lucky and his value will go up

Rasmus can hit lefties
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St. Louis Sports blog

by stlcardsfan4 on Jun 27, 2010 4:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

forgot to mention the miles thing is wayyy different

we’d be paying him 19 million so its nowhere near the same…. that’s why i thought you and I were on the same page

Rasmus can hit lefties
cardinalred
St. Louis Sports blog

by stlcardsfan4 on Jun 27, 2010 4:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

realized you said free... wow

they should take it… getting rid of miles is a positive gain plus we get zambrano… (im assuming you meant they would pay the rest of next year too)

Rasmus can hit lefties
cardinalred
St. Louis Sports blog

by stlcardsfan4 on Jun 27, 2010 4:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

no, we wouldn't be paying him anything

less than league minimum – nothing. the cubs would pick up the entire tab in the miles deal. you can trade for someone, like lugo, and have the other team pay everything you know.

i don’t think you understand. although he makes 19 mil, that means the other 24 are making about 120 mil – that is a big number that trumps 19, and those other 24 making 120 do not want him around. nor does the manager, gm, pitching coach, bench coach, etc. and do you think, considering this is probably lou’s last year, that the cubs want z around when they bring in a fresh manager and start over, someone like sandberg? no way.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 27, 2010 4:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

isn't that how we like it?

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 27, 2010 5:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

i just read this

a couple of the links are tweets by ozzie and his son oney as they dined with fat z and family after the big game:

http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2010/06/26/cubs-sorting-out-zambrano-aftermath/#cntnt

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 27, 2010 6:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would love to have Zambrano instead of Miles.

He is a better hitter, a better pitcher, and he’s probably a better defender at 2B.

I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons

by hazel on Jun 27, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just like last winter

The Cubs traded one overpayed headache to the Mariners for another. And amazingly it worked out well, with Silva pitching great. They should do it again. Trade Zambrano straight up for… Milton Bradley!

by bobohilario on Jun 27, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

reds AAA louisville bats tonite

chapman pitched in relief again, shut them down. gary matthews jr, signed for depth after they let chris burke go to pursue a big-league gig elsewhere (cincy outfield pretty stacked for now and the future), had 5 k’s!! and the louisville bats ultimately lost in extras on a wild pitch during an IBB. that’s the second time i’ve seen that this year – just go to your mouth on the mound, get the ball called and don’t throw a pitch!

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 27, 2010 4:05 AM EDT reply actions  

well

what’s worse? Miles at SS or DH? and don’t ask me. I don’t even have the answer for that. my head feels like it’s going to explode just thinking about it.

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by madding on Jun 27, 2010 4:15 AM EDT reply actions  

at ss

either way he bats, so at least dh keeps him off the field, especially off of ss.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 27, 2010 4:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

i didn't watch yesterday's game

but if miles keeps up these 2 for 3 appearances, sadly we’ll be seeing a lot more of him. sigh.

by zoomzoomj88 on Jun 27, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well

If he manages to keep hitting a putter up the middle and hitting a ball with so much authority that even though it was square in the gap, the CFer cut it off 30 feet from the warning track, I will change my sig to I <3 Miles.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jun 27, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

on Carp's velocity

According to Fangraphs, he’s averaging 91.7 mph this year, which is on par with every season in his career (since 2002) except for last year (93.0). He’s actually outperforming his career average (91.6).

His HR/9 is also right where you’d expect it to be, based on his history (career .94, .90 this year). And his K/9 is the second highest that it’s been in his career, next to only 2005.

The one thing that says “problem” to me is the increased walk rate. But his K/BB is still in the top 20 pitchers in MLB.

In other words, lets not hasten to bury the man because his FIP is an “awful” 3.73. He’s outperformed his FIP every year as a Cardinal, in most cases significantly.

Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers

by SleepyCA on Jun 27, 2010 5:27 AM EDT reply actions  

that's good news

i just wish he’d get the cutter working. makes me nervous when he’s so reliant on the curve, considering his elbow – at least it’s not a slider. his control has definitely been uncarp-like, but more so his command – he grooves more pitches, to my eyes and recollection, but i’d accept evidence that he doesn’t.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 27, 2010 5:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

and I think his velocity goes up as the year progresses, doesn't it?

the only real problem is he hasn’t found his cutter yet, which leads to an over-reliance on fast balls.

and also I have yet to see a proper picture of his new badass tattoo.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 27, 2010 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

wtf, brain!

curveballs. curveballs.
how the eff did I think curveball and type fastball. these are the ones that leave the park, effin y2.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 27, 2010 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

So we added Pinto

And he’s going to memphis. Whats the odd’s we see him on the Major League roster at some point this season?

The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun

by mob16151 on Jun 27, 2010 7:03 AM EDT reply actions  

If Reyes or Miller don't get hurt

I would say pretty slim. Royce Ring was a pretty dominant LOOGY in Memphis last year and they never called him up

by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 27, 2010 8:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

From what I can tell about Pinto

Apparently he’s more effective against righty’s than lefties though. So wouldn’t that make him a more, versataile bullpen option, rather than just a LOOGY? And increase his odds of being called up? I’m a Pinto fan btw.

The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun

by mob16151 on Jun 27, 2010 8:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well played sir

Well Played.

The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun

by mob16151 on Jun 27, 2010 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

He's been "more effective"

but that requires a pretty loose definition of effective. His increased effectiveness is mostly BABIP-driven as he has a career BABIP of .240 vs righties and .340 vs lefties.

I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons

by hazel on Jun 27, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

so, luddy hits righties better than lefties

pinto is a lefty who throws like a righty – who has the advantage in that matchup?

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 27, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I used to

do that for fun until I turned 52 (arbiitrary cut off point). Then I used to do it on memory, but the body didn’t accept the consequences. Now, at 59, I am still trying to follow the same agenda, but I don’t have to go to work until 10. Grace time! Ah, quasi-retirement is great!

by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Jun 27, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thats what she said.

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Jun 27, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I'm not a Cardinal historian either...

but since WWII the only pitcher who was clearly better was Gibson. I’d put Carp second. The Cardinals really haven’t had very many good starters.

Fire La Russa!

by guayzimi on Jun 27, 2010 10:18 AM EDT reply actions  

carlton?

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by sportsman on Jun 27, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

aside from that one 164 ERA+ season

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by SleepyCA on Jun 27, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Miles DHing, Stav batting clean up

Fdedor getting tapped out….Azru’s whole little robo world is collapsing all around him

by mattyp on Jun 27, 2010 10:30 AM EDT reply actions  

.....wow soccer refs are worthless

which makes FIFA worthless, which basically makes the game worthless, when the score doesn’t reflect what happened on the field but what the ref happened to see on the field. Stupid.

by mattyp on Jun 27, 2010 10:40 AM EDT reply actions  

How do you not have video review..

on whether the ball went in the net. These problems almost never happen in hockey, and that’s way more difficult to judge.

Fire La Russa!

by guayzimi on Jun 27, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

especially when one goal is routinely the margin of victory

one goal in soccer is way more important than one goal in hockey, yet….

by mattyp on Jun 27, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Germany should stand aside and let England put one in...

what’s the glory in winning on such a terrible referee error?

Fire La Russa!

by guayzimi on Jun 27, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

The refereeing in soccer...

makes baseball’s problems seem trivial.

This is a absolute joke.

Fire La Russa!

by guayzimi on Jun 27, 2010 10:41 AM EDT reply actions  

Jason LaRue should be more of a target than Aaron Miles.

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by greenback06 on Jun 27, 2010 11:03 AM EDT reply actions  

OT: dad's b-day today

my dad’s b-day is today. i decided to do some research on the cards’ record on every june 27 since 1959 (the year he was born).

the cards are 23-25 on his b-day. there have been 5 off days on june 27 (1981 being a strike year). since i was born in ’92, the cards have gone 6-11 on june 27. in the last 9 years (2000-09), the cards have won on june 27 just 3 times, the last time being last year.

in the 4 times the cards have won the ws in my dad’s lifetime (64, 67, 82 and 06), they are 1-3, the only win coming in 64.

by zoomzoomj88 on Jun 27, 2010 11:15 AM EDT reply actions  

per marecek on twitter

winn will start in LF today and holliday will DH & bat 4th

by zoomzoomj88 on Jun 27, 2010 11:40 AM EDT reply actions  

and now the lineup, per marecek

schu RF
lopez 2B
pujols 1B
holliday DH
freese 3B
raz CF
winn LF
molina C
boog SS

garcia on the hill for the cards

by zoomzoomj88 on Jun 27, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

royals lineup

Podsednik LF
Kendall C
DeJesus CF
Butler DH
Guillen RF
Callaspo 3B
Aviles SS
Betemit 1B
Bloomquist 2B

Chen on the mound for KC

by zoomzoomj88 on Jun 27, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Skip vs. LHP (Chen)?

uh-oh

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by gocards62 on Jun 27, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Skip in RF

uh-oh

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by BVHeck on Jun 27, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm kind of glad we're finally taking advantage of his positional versatility

but kind of worried about what the results will be

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by chalk on Jun 27, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

don't mind that lineup

ludwick is still hurt so putting skippy in there in his spot isn’t the worst move larussa could make, and it gives us a hell of a pinch hitter in the late innings. getting holliday a rest from the field is always a good thing, especially if it’s for a plus defender.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jun 27, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

luddy being out has moved holliday back to cleanup

i hope when luddy is back holliday goes back to 2.

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by cardball on Jun 27, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seriously

we couldn’t see Miles at 3B today?

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by gocards62 on Jun 27, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Miles is not great

but the team is winning since he joined and he’s performing reasonably well. Just enjoy 2 out of 3 each series. Aaron Miles is the least of our problems. More concerned about getting Penny and Lohse back before Garcia goes ka-put or Carp gets hurt and finding some one to set the table at the top.

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by The Duke on Jun 27, 2010 11:47 AM EDT reply actions  

existent problems > hypothetical problems

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by BVHeck on Jun 27, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

A more

than tolerant viewpoint, with which I can agree, especially about the pitching, but from any metrics, AM is not as appealing as some of the guys on the farm.

by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Jun 27, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, he's not performing reasonably well

Even with yesterday’s “explosion”—-a slow grounder up the middle and a double that got stopped 30 feet from the warning track—-he is still below replacement. I guess that’s pretty high above what I would expect from him, but the guy just isn’t a major leaguer and won’t perform like one. A guy getting 200 ABs isn’t our biggest problem no, but they are essentially donating runs every time he steps to the plate for no reason.

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by joker24 on Jun 27, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fangraphs has him at 0.0 WAR

Isn’t that the definition of a 25th player? La Russa seems to think he adds value — I’ll go with that until its obvious he is as bad as everyone thinks he is.

Just win

by The Duke on Jun 27, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well he's technically -.2 RAR but yeah I guess 0 WAR

That’s about the top end of his expectation seeing as how he’s a career below replacement player which is just dumb to be hoping for.

And he was as bad as everyone thinks he is until he hit two balls with the authority of a 12 year old that happened to be placed perfectly. Plus, you really don’t need to wait for the .500 OPS to know that there are three guys playing at Memphis who are better.

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by joker24 on Jun 27, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

the problem is that this is about his best result and things are bound to go down

he’s batting .273 with a .316 BABIP which is bad cause his BABIP skill is probably closer to below .300 right now…… his OBP is just .304 right now which is godawful , his walk rate is 4.2% (he’s about 5% for career) so that’s not going to raise and if his average takes a hit, so does OBP

he has a .281 wOBA, which is pretty bad especially when again you consider he’s getting sorta of lucky if anything

so he’s bad offensively, and he SUCKS defensively… wait 25th men normally have some value and he provides neither

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by stlcardsfan4 on Jun 27, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

too bad Miles can't have Stav's smooth

.357 BABIP

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by gocards62 on Jun 27, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

The issue is that there's nothing to be done about....

Penny and Lohse. They are recovering from injury, but there’s no definitive decision to be made or act to be taken that will help that process along. They simply need to heal.

However, there is a decision that can be made and an act that can be taken concerning Miles. He can be cut today and replaced with a better player that is already on the 40-man roster.

So, you may right that Miles’ presence, one way or another, does not impact our won-loss record as much as other things, like the health of our starting pitching or whether Pujols is in a slump, etc.. But the problem of Miles’ presence can be “fixed” through action in a way that these other issues cannot be.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Jun 27, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

TLR has looked at replacements

and prefers Miles. He knows what Greene can do and I assume he and Mo hae discussed other alternatives. What is the problem with letting TLR have someone he thinks is a better fit? Miles will either be a decent bench player or will play himself off the team. As long as the team seems to be on a streak — I’m happy to live with Miles.

Don’t get me wrong — I’m a bit surprised they can’t find a stronger upgrade. I’d prefer that Schu play Miles’ role and that they go with Ryan/Lopez full-stop and have Craig on bench, but TLR thinks differently.

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by The Duke on Jun 27, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

and he's wrong

and it’s our job, as the real brains behind the team, to convince him.

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by SleepyCA on Jun 27, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Aaron Miles IS and HAS played himself out of baseball

And yet, strangely, there he is pinch hitting and DHing for the Cardinals, a very talented team with World Series aspirations. Just because the team’s manager thinks that Miles is a better fit doesn’t make it so. This is the real world not hopalong fucking wishland. I can’t seem to understand this defense of Miles… “Well, he’s really quite bad, but the organization is okay with him so whatever…” I call bollocks on that. If he’s not the best guy it doesn’t matter, get his butt out of here and quit preventing the organization’s younger players from playing.

In all honesty, Tyler Greene is probably no great shakes either. But he’s at least a decent fielder at a couple of positions and has a little pop in his bat. He’s 27 and if he’s not going to stick now he never will, so the FO should have him on the ML roster or get him out of the system and quit wasting his and everyone else’s time. And as for Miles, well, I respect the guy for a lot of reasons but the fact is he’s not an ML caliber player.

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by redbirdnation8206 on Jun 27, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I often defer to TLR's decision-making when I think there is any reasonable argument to be made for it.

But in this case, I think there is no reasonable explanation for his preference for Miles. Rather it is some sense of misguided loyalty or nepotism and it results in the Cards being a worse baseball team. It is really quite awful, and if TLR is incapable of knowing any better (as in the situation of Chris Duncan last year), then Mo needs to sack up, do his job, and replace Miles on the roster.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Jun 27, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly

To suggest this is nepotism, or loyalty is stupid. TLR has let plenty of his “kids” walk way. He let Miles walk away. We probably could have had Eckstein back a couple of times. The list goes on and on. Heck, we probably could have had Miles back before we actually got him back.

Fact is, IF there is a difference in Miles and say, Greene, TODAY, it’s minimal. I don’t care about projections. I don’t care about AAA stats. We’ve seen enough of Greene, this year even, at the ML level to know that he is going to struggle. Last year and earlier this year a lot of you said that Greene had major issues to work out in his swing. You really think he’s done that in 2-3 months, regardless of his stats?

by SoonerfanTU on Jun 27, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nope

I think that despite the holes in his swing, he still is a better player than Aaron Miles.

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by azruavatar on Jun 27, 2010 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Aside from "projections".....

There isn’t much factual, actually happened stuff, that proves you right. At best, I’d say you can prove it’s a wash.

Like I said, I really don’t care if Miles is on the team or not. I really don’t. I just don’t see a big difference in what is going to be produced at the ML level. That, and it probably would’t hurt Greene to play full time at AAA for a bit longer. He is is hitting well in 6 weeks, maybe we have more to talk about.

by SoonerfanTU on Jun 27, 2010 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Except in this case...

…even if they’re even, Greene should be the guy. They’re both bad hitters but Greene can play a few positions better, has upside, and can run. There is absolutely no reason to have Miles on the team and just because the usage of either is minimal does not mean that it does not matter.

But in any case, we all know you have not really thought this out. If Greene were called up tomorrow, Miles released, and TLR made some comment about how Greene was ready you’d be the first guy to back TLR. You’re an apologist for the man, plain and simple.

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by redbirdnation8206 on Jun 27, 2010 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

It wouldn't be the first time in this world someone made a decision based on some sense of loyalty or pseudo-nepotism.

So I hardly think that’s a “stupid” rationale to explain TLR’s decision-making. Making decisions based on loyalty/nepotism is all too common across all kinds of spheres of endeavor and I don’t think TLR is immune from these motivations.

And we can just disagree about the difference between Greene and Miles being “minimal.” Notwithstanding Greene’s flaws (e.g., high K rate), and not relying on any projections at all, Miles is a much, much worse player in an apples-to-apples comparsion as of today’s date.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Jun 27, 2010 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just think that is nonsense.....

For two main reasons:

First, TLR answers to at least two people above him, the GM and the owner. If they thought TLR was making decisions that were bad for the team, they’d do something about it. This make believe world where everybody is scared to death of TLR, and scared to run him off, or stand up to him is ludicrous. Mo is a big boy, and his job is dependent on a lot of things. He isn’t going to let TLR cost him that.

Secondly, the nepotism or loyalty claim is lame b/c it’s impossible to prove, and on the flip side, impossible to disprove.

by SoonerfanTU on Jun 27, 2010 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

i look at it as loyalty and trust rather than nepotism

consider this: if tony didn’t know miles from adam, and looked at his stats and history, and then went and scouted him, would he think miles could help the team and ask mo to pick him up? if so, tony is a terrible talent evaluator, and likely not a very good manager.

now, i have no problem with loyalty to your players. knight and parcells both had tremendous loyalty, and it was reciprocated. certainly a team appreciates a manager who is loyal to his players, and this can have many benefits for the club. however, one can carry it only so far. if your guy is equal to another, or even slightly inferior, then ok, there is reason enough to choose your guy. but this is akin to putting your favorite nephew on the team when he doesn’t belong, and when it is so extreme, players tend to raise an eyebrow to that.

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by cardball on Jun 27, 2010 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Regarding your two points -

1. I agree that TLR answers to Mo, and the owner. And I place more blame for the Miles decision on Mo than TLR, precisely because Mo should know (and, I think, does know) better.

2. Whether I can “prove” TLR’s internal motivations without him out-and-out admitting them is a silly, nonsensical standard. Shit, I prove intent in a courtroom all the fucking time, and that sure isn’t the standard there.

More relevantly, I am giving TLR credit by hypothesizing that Miles is on the team because of some sense of loyalty/pseudo-nepotism. Because if TLR objectively thinks Miles is the best player for the job, he’s a complete idiot.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Jun 28, 2010 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

La Russa never "let Miles walk away"

Mo let him walk away and La Russa threw a fit over it. It was Mo who wouldn’t sign Miles to the 2 year deal and Tony was extremely upset about it.

by chuckb on Jun 28, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Miles is not great

he is simply awful, horrendous, atrocious, etc

*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 27, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Everything I could say about Miles has been said ad nausium

So I’ll just say…I have a Colby Rasmus Bobblehead Doll. It’s was a Springfield Cardinals giveaway!

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by albrtfn on Jun 27, 2010 12:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Gamethread!

I'm out of champagna. How about some 7-Up and Mad Dog 20/20?

by The Continental on Jun 27, 2010 1:31 PM EDT reply actions  

So i'm voting for the all star game...

I thought you could only vote 15 times…it keeps letting me go. Does it only count the first 15? Also how come we cant get Rasmus in this game he is in my opinion better than Heyward as I’m sure most if not all of you would agree.

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by Red Blazer on Jun 27, 2010 1:36 PM EDT reply actions  

You can vote up to 25 times.

I'm out of champagna. How about some 7-Up and Mad Dog 20/20?

by The Continental on Jun 27, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh...

I will continue.

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by Red Blazer on Jun 27, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

how about a Franklin Beard Night?

that would be awesome.

also, I think it’s a bit early to tell if Carp is going to drop off that much. He could still put together a season close to last year’s, it’s just too early in the season. and he’s not even doing that bad so far.

*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 27, 2010 2:09 PM EDT reply actions  

I would never stop laughing if that happened

*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 27, 2010 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's one reason it will never happen

though i suppose we could acquire him from whoever originally acquired him. the other reason it will never happen is tony.

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by cardball on Jun 27, 2010 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

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