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Tony La Russa and family and Dr. Katrina Warren. (Catalyst PR)

For this late, stop-gappy post I offer you this remuneration: a picture of Tony La Russa and family with Dr. Katrina Warren (left), host of "the hit reality-based cat TV series, Cat Chow's Housecat Housecall." Do you like press releases that talk about cats like they're people?

"The third season of Cat Chow's Housecat Housecall continues our mission of providing cat owners with actionable tips and tools to help them create a well-balanced home life for the whole family, including the cat," said Dr. Katrina Warren. "It is extremely rewarding to watch a family finally realize the true joy of having a cat after we've been able to help them work through all their cat's behavioral challenges."

This season of Cat Chow's Housecat Housecall tackles issues revolving around household integration as in the case of Star, a cat trying to adjust to a household dominated by dogs, or Mia and Peaches, two cats in need of coaxing to warm up to the man of the house. Other stories involve a cat named Tuxedo, who has developed inappropriate scratching behaviors, and Taz, a cat who started to act out when his teenage caretaker left for college. In the case of St. Louis Cardinals Manager Tony LaRussa, Dr. Katrina worked side-by-side with him and his family to identify and train "therapy" cats for an animal-assisted therapy program run by ARF, the animal welfare organization founded by LaRussa. And, Dr. Katrina's abilities are put to the test when she visits Carrie Ann Inaba's home and provides the busy professional and owner of five cats with insights on how to successfully juggle a multi-cat household.

It's on Animal Planet; the episode airs Saturday at 9:30 AM central, so I can only hope somebody has this DVRed. 

So: The Cardinals enter their first series in an AL ballpark without a clear designated hitter on the bench.

Edit: The Cardinals enter their first series in an AL ballpark without a designated hitter on the bench that Viva El Birdos would ever want to see start three games in a row.

Nick Stavinoha is still hitting .308/.345/.462, having righted his May-into-June slump in such a way as to make it look, to inexperienced split-watchers, that he'd never slumped at all. On teams with worse systems and less depth—the teams that John Gall could have played on, for instance—his AAAA slugging ways would be appreciated a little more than they are, but as the guy who is not Allen Craig we must watch even his most successful back-kneed exploits with a mix of admiration and contempt. 

So the news that the Cardinals would go into the extraleague part of interleague without a set DH has come as a disappointment only to the most Craig-centric of inveterate Future Redbirds readers. But today's lineup, just tweeted, features the deep knee-bender himself, thanks to the Blue Jays' left-handed starter. Tony La Russa: he'll get you, even if the getting involves suggesting an entirely different strategy to the mothership

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Tonight's Lineup reposted

Lopez 2B
Holliday LF
Pujols 1B
Ludwick RF
Freese 3B
Stavinoha DH
Molina C
Winn CF
Ryan SS

(Garcia SP)

....my quick smells like french toast...

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by mstreeter06 on Jun 22, 2010 3:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Heheh

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by mstreeter06 on Jun 22, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'm fine with this, other than colby not starting.

although maybe he needs a breather. he’s like 0-17 since he hit that last home run.

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jun 22, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

DH?

I thought that was a breather

check out VEB on facebook...just search groups for Viva El Birdos

by Dttl89 on Jun 22, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

its not a breather in terms of hitting

its a very good LHP and colby isn’t hitting well right now. i’d rather see him in there, but i understand the rationale

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jun 22, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Colby is the #16 hitter in the league by wOBA.

His wOBA vs lefties this year is .367, which would be the fourth best wOBA on our team if it wasn’t attached to his over .400 wOBA vs righties.

If you want to see a CF who should sit vs tough lefties, look at Curtis Granderson or Julio Borbon.

I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons

by hazel on Jun 22, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

like IHeartBoog said...

Colby isn’t hitting very well against anyone. We are facing a tough lefty.

Now, Colby is going to get some off days. He hasn’t been healthy all the way through a season for the last two years. Would you rather him get his off days against a tough lefty, or a righty?

by Evilfrog on Jun 22, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Colby is one of the top 20 hitters in baseball.

Unless he is actually injured, there isn’t a reason to sit him. We just had an off day and his time off should be saved for times that it is actually necessary.

I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons

by hazel on Jun 22, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Colby has been one of the top 20 hitters in baseball

But probably wouldn’t project that going forward…

/BKillington

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jun 22, 2010 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah,

I’m more concerned that his replacements in the lineup are Nicky Winnovha of the hopefully average wOBA.

I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons

by hazel on Jun 22, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

sitting Colby

and having Dr. Thunder DHing are two separate decisions and should be looked at two separate decisions.

by Evilfrog on Jun 22, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

It IS permissible to..

…independently conclude that both decisions are bad ones, right?

by dronemc on Jun 22, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Since they occur on the same lineup and are made using similar personnel,

I don’t think they can be considered completely separate.

I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons

by hazel on Jun 22, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

well why is he sitting then?

i’m not trying to argue – i want him to play – i’m just saying he’s slumping right now, so maybe TLR thinks this isn’t the game that will get him started again. i can’t think of any other reason why he’s not starting.

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jun 22, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because Tony Larussa

He’s been unlucky for a few games, but that is a dumb reason for him to sit. He is sitting because Tony continues to love making inscrutable decisions.

I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons

by hazel on Jun 22, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

inscrutity is in the eye of the beholder

Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")

by STLRegalia on Jun 22, 2010 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tautology is in the vision of the eye of the beholder

I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons

by hazel on Jun 22, 2010 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

by the same rationale, he's due then, right?

problem is, winn is probably not better defensively in right, center, or left than the guys manning those spots. so we gain nothing from having him play the field for any of them and allowing them to dh. and winn is not an acceptable dh himself. neither is stav, or anyone else on the bench. so back to square one, why didn’t we call up somebody? mather would be suitable, and can play the field also. i can see a case why they didn’t bring up craig, though he’s the best option. is hamilton hitting anything? but then we have the lefty tonite, so stav probably gets this one anyway. but there are other games. the problem, then, is miles occupying a roster spot that should go to a possible dh.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 22, 2010 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

High five!

I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons

by hazel on Jun 22, 2010 9:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Surely Randy Winn is better in this situation.

What’s that you say? He’s got a .327 career wOBA against lefties? Hmmmm . . .

Think; It's not illegal yet.

by azruavatar on Jun 22, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, no, no.

See, Az, you forgot that Randy Winn is a switch-hitter. This always gives him the platoon advantage, despite what your wOBAIDDTSOA “statistic” might tell you. USE YOUR EYES.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jun 22, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not even that angry about this decision.

It’s not surprising at all. I’m more angered by people attempting to justify it.

I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons

by hazel on Jun 22, 2010 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

to be clear

i wasn’t trying to justify it. i think i said i would rather see colby start. i just don’t think its that big of a deal.

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jun 22, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

By angry, i mean of course,

mildly annoyed and bemused.

I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons

by hazel on Jun 22, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

well be angery then

It’s what VEB does. Every day Cobly sits we get angery. Nevermind if he is in a slump, or never mind if he is injured (or sore) like he was several times last year. Nevermind that he hasn’t been healthy for a whole season the last two years, we expect him to start 162 games a season. And we get angry if he doesn’t .

I don’t see what the off day has to do with it. We just set Molina and Freese so they were able to get two days off in a row and only miss one day.

LaRussa hates Cobly and we should burn down Busch because of it.

by Evilfrog on Jun 22, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions   4 recs

that last sentence made me laugh out loud

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jun 22, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

People take games off because they are have nagging injuries or other issues.

If Colby is healthy and mechanically straight for 162 games, then he should start all of them. Most players don’t start 162 because they run into injuries or other problems, and there is no indication that Colby is having such a spell at the moment.

I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons

by hazel on Jun 22, 2010 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Me fail English?

I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons

by hazel on Jun 22, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's fair

But I’m of the opinion that giving people several off days throughout the year increases their chance of staying healthy for the rest of the whole year. Muscles need time to rest. I’d be Okay with Albert getting 4 or 5 more days off a year than he has been getting.

by Evilfrog on Jun 22, 2010 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

i just realized that if albert dh's

stav is our backup first baseman.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 22, 2010 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yadier would play 1st in that case I would think.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Jun 22, 2010 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, I am personally prejudiced to giving Molina any more work than is necessary.

I would put LaRue at C, just because he is almost as good defensively, and is much more fresh than Yadi.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Jun 22, 2010 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm guessing Freese would probably play first

And we’d see the old Floppy-Boog-Schu infield.

by mojowo11 on Jun 22, 2010 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

That probably works better.

Just think that TLR would go with Yadi in that situation, since he’s played him at 1b before.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Jun 22, 2010 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

you do?

i think tony would go with stav, without a doubt.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 22, 2010 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmm, I've never heard that veiwpoint before

So you are actually opposed to a good player resting just for the sake of it.

Don’t you think that playing more will increase the liklihood of injury though?

by vivaelpujols on Jun 22, 2010 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Physiologically speaking,

a player can play and be productive for 162 games, as long as he isn’t injured and his body is up to the task.

Pitchers and catchers obviously fatigue differently because of their more demanding positions, but other than those players I don’t see anything necessarily wrong with a position player playing every game. On the other hand, I think a lot of the off days that players receive are for actual twists, jams, and other nagging problems.

This is just my view: I don’t think rest is necessarily good for its own sake, and this is just my opinion based on the facts that I know. I’m not sure it’s really a falsifiable position either, given that we never really get the whole story on most player injuries.

I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons

by hazel on Jun 22, 2010 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're fine with Stavinoha as DH?

You know that stands for “designated hitter”

DFA Miles, Call up Cox

by guayzimi on Jun 22, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought Dr. Thunder

Was a “Professional Hitter”

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by mstreeter06 on Jun 22, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

When I saw that Stavinfection was the DH,

I thought to myself, “Nick Stavinoha, Professional Hitter.”

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jun 22, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Heheh

I got me a fever and the only prescription is from DR THUNDER

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by mstreeter06 on Jun 22, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm get up in the morning...

…and get dressed like any other guy. Then I go hit kneeling homers.

by dronemc on Jun 22, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

buster olney tells me he leads the league in pinch hits

(including 2 homers and a double)

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by STLRegalia on Jun 22, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

We need to keep him from getting regular starts,

to make sure we don’t disrupt his PHing groove.

I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons

by hazel on Jun 22, 2010 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

dh'ing is like ph'ing, 4 or 5 times a game - it's almost cheating

to let stav ph that many times in one game.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 22, 2010 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

the guy is hitting .308

While slugging .462.

Would you prefer Miles?

by Evilfrog on Jun 22, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd prefer we didn't use 55 PAs

as indicative of what we’d predict him going forward. The only point in quoting 55 PA is to distract from the huge mound of evidence we that he’s not that good of a hitter.

Think; It's not illegal yet.

by azruavatar on Jun 22, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

so you do prefer miles then.

Or maybe skippy since he is also not starting?

by Evilfrog on Jun 22, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

You've proposed a false choice

I’m speaking for AZ here, and probably shouldn’t, but I’d imagine he’d rather see someone like Allen Craig on the club than Stavinoha and used fairly regularly.

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by redbirdnation8206 on Jun 22, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Allen Craig is a false choice

he’s not on the roster

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by STLRegalia on Jun 22, 2010 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's on the 40 man.

I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons

by hazel on Jun 22, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes

I would further venture to say that AZ would rather see Craig on the ML team too. Evilfrog has argued that the choice is between Stav and his MiniHe, Miles. I would say these aren’t the only two options and therefore Miles vs. Stav is a false choice. The Cards had an offday yesterday, and even if they hadn’t they could get on the horn with Memphis and call up anyone they wanted and get them to Toronto by game time. I would argue that even if Stav were still on the roster (which he shouldn’t be) the Cardinals best option is to call up Allen Craig and use him in some fashion. That won’t happen though, and we’re really only talking about a couple of games here so it’s not the end of the world. But it’s still a wee frustrating.

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by redbirdnation8206 on Jun 22, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd prefer Rasmus.

I’d also prefer you didn’t distort the issue or choices to try and elicit the response you want from me.

Think; It's not illegal yet.

by azruavatar on Jun 22, 2010 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

you'd prefer

Rasmus DH over Mather? If I was going to have Rasmus DH i would put him in CF personally. And I still leave Stavinoha in to DH and keep Winn on the bench incase I need late defensive replacement or a PR.

by Evilfrog on Jun 22, 2010 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

The only justification I can see for having Rasmus

sit is he needs rest. I rest him in the DH spot and play Winn in center. If I need a replacement CF, I switch Rasmus there. Stavinoha shouldn’t be the first choice in any scenario with Rasmus on the bench.

Think; It's not illegal yet.

by azruavatar on Jun 22, 2010 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

who would you rather have?

(other than colby)

stav is our best non-starter option for DH. he’s hitting .300+

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jun 22, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Colby Rasmus

Allan Greg
Joe Mather

DFA Miles, Call up Cox

by guayzimi on Jun 22, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

he's hitting well in memphis, as is craig

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 22, 2010 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

craig and mather aren't on the team right now, are they?

joey bombs was unimpressive at the beginning of the year. i know craig was the victim of very bad luck, but that doesn’t change the fact that stav is actually having a pretty good season for a bench guy. i love mather and craig too and wanted them on this team, but i’m not going to make many complaints about keeping a guy on the team who is batting .308 and slugging .462.

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jun 22, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

If we are going to talk about luck,

we would be retiscent not to mention Stavinoha’s .412 BABIP with a 16.7 LD%.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jun 22, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

*reticent

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jun 22, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

No. It's "remiss," but I'm stretching its use, so give me a break.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jun 22, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'm not saying stav isn't getting lucky.

but until he starts regressing, why not ride the luck train?

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jun 22, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well

In a similar vein “the housing market is overheated, but why not buy more houses!” was not a very good move in 2006

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jun 22, 2010 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Eh

A “he’s been getting lucky” player is different from a streaking player #1, and usually by the time you can actually recognize that a player is streaking, the streak is already over.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jun 22, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

so they should send stav down now and call up craig?

just because eventually things will even out?

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jun 22, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

hmmm

then maybe that’s why they’re sitting colby.

/full circle

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jun 22, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Look what Seattle did last year to Jarrod Washburn

He had a lucky first half, based on all the peripherals

Sold high on his performance, got a decent return, and he imploded in the second half

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jun 22, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

They got Luke French.

The one horrible lefty we could actually hit…..

That doesn’t bode well for French. :D

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Jun 22, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because luck is not something that is repeatable in any sense.

His luck to this point has no bearing on his luck going forward.

by ViperLjs on Jun 22, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because there is no way of telling how long the luck train will go.

Stav’s stinkitude could return yesterday, or his hot play could continue. There’s no particularly good way of telling. Therefore, playing time is best determined by health and ability, meaning the best healthy guys should play. If someone’s gassed and needs a day off, then so be it. But riding hot streaks isn’t a particularly good idea.

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by redbirdnation8206 on Jun 22, 2010 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

in general though...

we should not equate a gambler’s fallacy with riding the “hot streak” of an athlete in an athletic endeavor. There may be variations over short periods of time that lead to hot streaks (confidence, a change in mechanics, etc.) but here is no such thing in coin flipping.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Jun 22, 2010 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I cannot stand fans like you.....

Craig, Mather, and Stavi have all seen ML time this year. Stavi is the only one that has produced.

But yea, lets beg/whine/plead for the other two guys to get AB’s.

by SoonerfanTU on Jun 22, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

And before someone brings up power, or OPS

Stavi is OPS’ing at about the same level against ML pitching as Craig and Mather are against AAA pitching. And Stavi doesn’t play everyday, while Craig and Mather pretty much do.

by SoonerfanTU on Jun 22, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope that Stavinoha's good luck continues, because we could surely use it.

He’s had a charmed 55 plate appearances this year, but I would not use that to declare him to be the better hitter moving forward. Despite hitting nearly 85% of his hits for flyballs and grounders, he has a .412 BABIP. So, he hits a below average number of line drives—those hits most likely to allow a batter to reach base safely—yet his BABIP is over 100 points higher than average. This probably means that his success is unsustainable. Even if Stav duplicated his career-high BABIP, his BABIP will drop over 60 points by season’s end. That will be difficult to watch.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jun 22, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not only needlessly antagonistic, also, um, wrong.

yes, Mather wasn’t great; however, Craig was very good – hit a ton of line drives – but very unlucky.

blarg

by chalk on Jun 22, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

In a sample size of 55 PA, it is fairly likely that Neifi Perez will outperform Albert Pujols

Does that mean we want Perez to start over Pujols for the rest of the season?

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jun 22, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do you think that Stavinoha is a better hitter than Allen Craig?

Because, I’ve got to tell you that I’ve seen each play dozens of games and there is no comparison. Just watching them play, Craig has power to all fields, hits more liners, and takes a tougher at-bat.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

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by bgh on Jun 22, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think.....

that today, in the role of pinch hitter off the bench, with the occassional start, that yes, Stavi would probably out-perform Craig over the course of a season, or half season.

Or at the very least, they’d perform at a nearly identical level, which is why I think Craig should stay in AAA, and get everyday AB’s.

I’ve never said that I’d want Stavi starting over Craig for a full season, nor have I ever said that 3 years from now, Craig doesn’t have a good chance to be a better hitter than Stavi.

I just think sitting on the bench for a week, then getting one or two AB’s is a REALLY tough thing to do, and be good at.

by SoonerfanTU on Jun 22, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the point is that it's not really clear that Nick has actually been good at it.

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by hazel on Jun 22, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Too bad luck doesn't matter.....

results do. And right now, he is getting results, and his “growth” isn’t being stunted by sitting on the bench.

by SoonerfanTU on Jun 22, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

WHAT?

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by STLRegalia on Jun 22, 2010 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

What hazel is saying

is that his results are not likely to continue because he has been incredibly lucky. Thus, luck does matter.

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by bgh on Jun 22, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Luck matters

Yes it does. It’s just a fact. You are simply lying to yourself if you say luck doesn’t matter how you make your decisions going forward. We have undeniable quantitative facts that Stavinoha has had unsustainable luck contribute to his “results” so far that completely color how we should view what his contribution will be the rest of the season.

If we are going to be having Stav DH more than one game, it would have made more sense to switch out Stav for Craig.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jun 22, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Based on what?

What has happened THIS year that makes you think Craig will out perform Stavi?

by SoonerfanTU on Jun 22, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Please tell me you are kidding

As though THIS year is literally the only time Craig/Stav have ever played baseball for which we have records.

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by joker24 on Jun 22, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hell I'll do it anyway playing by your rules

With a .300 BABIP, Stav is hitting something like .235/.270/.380. You think Craig could top a .650 OPS?

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jun 22, 2010 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're wrong. Craig would be quite a bit better than Stav.

That’s the fact of the matter, and you can’t disguise it with your empty justifications.

blarg

by chalk on Jun 22, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

And you cannot prove it....

with any kind of factual information.

by SoonerfanTU on Jun 22, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Like Craig's LD% and superior minor league numbers

Also Stav’s middling OPS despite ludicrous luck (.414 BABIP) and his low line drive percent and poor plate discipline numbers, all of which suggest that Craig is a much better hitter? Or is that not good enough for you? Perhaps you could take a look at Stav’s career stats, which you may be forced to acknowledge just aren’t that great?

blarg

by chalk on Jun 22, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

he said factual,

not nerdy

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by STLRegalia on Jun 22, 2010 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

It doesn't matter if you can prove either statement

The issue at hand is, using past results, which player is more likely to be useful to the Cardinals going forward… Stavinoha or Craig? We’re dealing with probabilities here, and when you’re dealing w/ baseball probabilities you are better off using bigger sets of data than small.

In your case, you’re putting more stock in Stavinoha’s 55 PA and Craig’s 21 PA this season than you should. Those are pitifully small samples that are subject to all kinds of funky luck in one direction or the other. In his 55 PA, Stav has whiffed an insane percentage of the time and never walks indicating the same poor plate discipline he’s always shown. He’s hitting a ton of GBs and FBs. And despite all this his numbers have been good. You say “Well, he’s just performing.” And I say no… no he’s not. He’s been fortunate. His GB’s have found holes and his FB’s have fallen safely to the ground. That’s not skill, that’s not performance, that’s fortune. I tip my cap to the guy, but actual results show a guy whose carriage is minutes from turning into a pumpkin.

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by redbirdnation8206 on Jun 22, 2010 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

craig is a really good hitter

too good to be sitting the bench. i think he could be starting every day in left and we wouldn’t miss a beat. however, he will never play right for this team, and he has trade value if he is raking. other teams couldn’t even scout him if he’s doing the stav role – they might attend a whole series and not see him once. that is not conducive to trading him at some value, and is why i don’t mind him in memphis, in general. however, for an AL park series, he should be up and dh’ing. i guess the only problem is it’s a lot like ph’ing, and not everyone can do it. i doubt albert would hit as well as dh over a season as he does playing the field. i have no doubt craig would outperform stav over the full series, but would that really showcase him at all? i say this because i see no future for craig, unfortunately, except as trade bait.

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by cardball on Jun 22, 2010 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

i just don't think they will let him play right

that spot will hopefully be lud, and if not then mather has first shot. craig is, imo, a really good hitter, and has trade value beyond what he could contribute on the bench. if only he had arm enough for right, but i see him playing a lot of first in memphis, so i don’t think right is in the org’s plans. and i really like craig, so it sucks.

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by cardball on Jun 22, 2010 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Accepting your argument,

I still don’t see why we don’t DFA Miles and call Craig up to be the everyday DH for the next six games. Or, to move in and out of the DH slot and the OF, to spell other players. Heck, he can even play first base and give Pujols a break at DH. This would be the time to do it, IMO.

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by bgh on Jun 22, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

that makes too much sense

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by STLRegalia on Jun 22, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's not what we do here in STL

We mix reasonable, shrewd decisions with wild rampages of decision-by-dart-throw, all to keep it interesting.

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by redbirdnation8206 on Jun 22, 2010 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have no idea

why we don’t DA miles and call up Craig or Jay either.

by Evilfrog on Jun 22, 2010 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sure, Mather's probably not very good

But Craig’s had 21 PA. Twenty one. That’s a pitifully small sample size to make any kind of judgment. Deep down I know you know that too.

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by redbirdnation8206 on Jun 22, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

hey now, mather is not very good?

are you saying that because of the wrist?

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by cardball on Jun 22, 2010 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

hitting-wise, he's kind of right

post-wrist, he has not proven to be a good hitter

Rasmus can hit lefties
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by stlcardsfan4 on Jun 22, 2010 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

looks like he might be getting healthy/limber

doing pretty good in memphis. let the weather heat up a bit. i think we see him up, and before september – he’s beyond a september callup (unless things are still tight)

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 22, 2010 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

If it takes a .412 BABIP to get to .308 .345 .462

We’ve got issues. I’ll bet you an internet dollar he doesn’t come close to that line for the rest of the season. The dude swings at 40% of the balls OUT of the strike zone and strikes out in 30% of his ABs. He’s not QUITE as bad as some here like to say, but if he cracks a .750 OPS the rest of the year I’d be mighty surprised. His plate discipline is horrible.

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by joker24 on Jun 22, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm a sucker for a bad bet

YOUR ON!

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by STLRegalia on Jun 22, 2010 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

C'mon sooner...

I know you understand this stuff.

Craig hit four line drives in 21 PAs and three were caught. None of his six grounders found a hole.

Stav hit seven line drives in 55 PAs and all but one dropped for a hit. He’s 7-15 on ground balls.

I know you can understand the principle of sample size. I believe in you.

DFA Miles, Call up Cox

by guayzimi on Jun 22, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Adam Wainwright

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by Dttl89 on Jun 22, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

"How to juggle a muli-cat household"

…and then I started to take it seriously.

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by Dttl89 on Jun 22, 2010 3:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Now, if it were "how to juggle multiple cats,"

then I might watch.

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- Albert Pujols

by splhcb67 on Jun 22, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Shall we call this one a tie?

"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
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by splhcb67 on Jun 22, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'm going to record this show for tips on how to get my cat to like my boyfriend

then i will sue tony la russa if it doesn’t work.

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by IHeartBoog on Jun 22, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

needs moar eel.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
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by Yadi2Second on Jun 22, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

You can'tstop Stav

You can only hope to contain him.

The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun

by mob16151 on Jun 22, 2010 4:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Where is the best place to get average fastball velocity by league?

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by bgh on Jun 22, 2010 4:11 PM EDT reply actions  

this reminds me

that I’d kill for fangraphs to just introduce an AL or NL line at the end of its league reports.

by DanUpBaby on Jun 22, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

That was the first place that I looked.

I was surprised that the league lines were not at the bottom. It seems like an obvious thing to do.

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by bgh on Jun 22, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

...

RT @JohnMarecek Shelby Miller and Eduardo Sanchez to rep the #stlcards org in the @MLBFutures game #hpgf.

....my quick smells like french toast...

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by mstreeter06 on Jun 22, 2010 4:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Quad Cities represented by 3 all-stars in the Midwest League All-Star Game in Fort Wayne tonight

Starting 1B – Matt Adams
P – Eric Fornataro
OF – D’Marcus Ingram

…I REEEEALLY wish I didn’t have to work tonight. I’d absolutely be at tonights ASG with a synopsis and tons of photos.

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by vexedtechie on Jun 22, 2010 4:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Still in my probationary period, seeing as I started only 3 weeks ago.

…Trust me…If I were outta the 90-day period, this day woulda been a paid vacation in a heartbeat.

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Suck it; you suck

by vexedtechie on Jun 22, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Where you working at?

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by mstreeter06 on Jun 22, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

At a warehouse loading trucks. Totally puttin' my degree to good use. Heh

But it is what it is. Thankful to have a job, at least. Truth be told, I don’t mind the manual labor, plus my boss is a Cards fan…awesome.

Also, I get to speed around on motorized pallet jacks.

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by vexedtechie on Jun 22, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sweet

I used to work for UPS as a loader.

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by mstreeter06 on Jun 22, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just called your boss

He said you’re off for the night and that you should go to the game. He’ll be busy the rest of the day though, so you don’t need to call him to confirm

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by mysterui on Jun 22, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Awesome! Thanks!

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by vexedtechie on Jun 22, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can't go either.

So I will wallow in sadness with you :P while watching the STL game.

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by Taskmaster on Jun 22, 2010 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh man

jarret hoffpauir is starting for toronto, but at 3b

Signatures are overrated.

by hr on Jun 22, 2010 5:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Good for him. I hope he stays up in the big leagues

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by mysterui on Jun 22, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

i liked him

hated to see him leave…now we’re left with miles T_T
but i do hope the best for him in toronto

Signatures are overrated.

by hr on Jun 22, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

See, this kind of thing bugs me

Hoff and Miles are both 2nd base only guys. However, TLR seems to think Miles is versatile b/c he stood at SS when Eckstein was out and other such pinches and didn’t, well, fall over and seize or something, so therefore he can play SS in a pinch. I think Hoff would happily do the same, if given the opportunity. So they’re both position-limited and, in this meaningless sense, versatile. And yet we have Aaron Miles on our team and the Jays have Hoffpauir. One’s a known mediocrity and the other is probably the same, but we’ll never know because he never got his shot.

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by redbirdnation8206 on Jun 22, 2010 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Known mediocrity" is pushing it

He very well might be the worst player in MLB history at this point, we don’t really know what happens when replacement players fall off a cliff because usually THEY AREN’T IN THE BIG LEAGUES.

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by joker24 on Jun 22, 2010 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Known Black-Hole-of-Suck-crity?

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by redbirdnation8206 on Jun 22, 2010 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

we do have descalso though

i guess the org had too many 2nd base only guys.

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by cardball on Jun 22, 2010 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

OT - Pickoffs

Yadi’s pickoffs are my favorite plays in the game. Is “look out for Molina – i mean REALLY LOOK OUT – when you’re on first” recited by every opposing manager before each game? He hasn’t had one yet this year after having 8 last year, and even LaRue, in eight starts, has 1. Do you think he’s been figured out, or has that facet of his game deteriorated (I can think of several times he double clutched or lost the handle on the ball)?

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by BVHeck on Jun 22, 2010 5:43 PM EDT reply actions  

I think he was robbed on a few pickoffs,

and he is throwing runners out at a much higher rate than in previous seasons. He’s still got it.

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by hazel on Jun 22, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pornstache

looked nasty on sunday

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by Dttl89 on Jun 22, 2010 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

when his pitchers don't put anyone on first base...

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by Yadi2Second on Jun 22, 2010 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

jaime has done so plenty

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by BVHeck on Jun 22, 2010 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I recall Yadi trying it a couple of times during Jaime's starts.

it’s probably not recommended because Jaime needs to focus on the batter, not the runner. the problem is partly because Yadi has been over-tired. the pick-off opportunities came up when he was making his errors. the pitchers have also done a good job holding runners on.

still scratching my head over Brian Barden trying to run on them…

I’m not particularly worried. the screenname’s not changing yet.

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by Yadi2Second on Jun 22, 2010 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

ha

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by BVHeck on Jun 22, 2010 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

he had an easy one the other night at first

but made a poor throw high and into foul territory.

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by cardball on Jun 22, 2010 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think I may be the only one that thinks this, but....

Wouldn’t this be the perfect opportunity to use Yadi as a DH? Yadi’s workload this season has been pretty hard on him, as shown by his substandard offensive numbers this year. I mean, Jason LaRue is certainly not better than Stavinoha or Craig, but I think Yadi getting some rest would be much more beneficial for the club in the long term.

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by Taskmaster on Jun 22, 2010 6:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Hopefully he'll DH a game or two this trip.

I def. agree although whether his offensive value is better than that of another guy who could DH (e.g. lopex or skip or maybe winn) is questionable. (I say that without the benefit of any statistics or even a cursory look at Fangraphs)

blarg

by chalk on Jun 22, 2010 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree.

All of his offensive stats are either not far off his career numbers, or are likely a direct result of fatigue as he has experienced (Such as Z-Swing%). Why not throw him out there, as he is not that big of a liability against LHP (As far as career statistics go)?

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
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by Taskmaster on Jun 22, 2010 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did I hear someone mention my name?

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by spfldbird on Jun 22, 2010 6:58 PM EDT reply actions  

dude, use the standard milk carton.

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