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Jeff Suppan Watch: short starter is at least more useful than long reliever

That's two games in which Suppan has been about as good as Tony and Duncan could have expected and two games in which he's left before getting himself in line with the win. Honestly, as someone who was neither a Suppan fan nor a self-immolater, I've enjoyed watching Suppan to this point—he's very obviously working within the La Russa/Duncan framework, and he's done pretty well, if you like that Tom Glavine just-off-the-plate fastball. 

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He even had some swinging strikes on those please-don't-swingballs, mostly when he brought his fastball or curveball a little lower and out of the zone. He's avoided the walk, he's thrown a few strikeouts, he's got an obvious gameplan; that's about all I can ask for in the Cardinals' sixth? seventh? starter. And La Russa and Duncan are perfectly willing to take him out before the fifth inning is complete (and replace him with a youngster, no less!) For all their bluster, I think the two of them have perfectly reasonable expectations for Suppan's performance, and I appreciate that. 

Bringing out Hawksworth for a third inning, though—that was the product of unreasonable expectations. La Russa's famous for putting his players in position for positive outcomes as often as possible; he did that earlier in this same game with Jeff Suppan. To bring out the Cardinals' embattled long reliever, get two scoreless innings out of him, and then come back to him for a third is overreaching both in terms of the game situation and Blake Hawksworth's psyche. It's a bad move and it didn't work out. 

But speaking of perfectly reasonable expectations, mine involve Matt Holliday hitting two home runs every day. Of course, he could consider doing it with runners on base...

Star-divide

At the mothership newswire, some bullet-pointable news and decisions—

  • Lohse will take extra time before throwing. The Kyle Lohse rehab to this point has been surprisingly fast and transparent; I was expecting the Troy Glaus situation, where we just don't hear about him until September and then he pitches three innings in long relief, but he's remained in the news every step of the way and now it's news that he's not throwing yet. With Suppan in the fourth starter role and Blake Hawksworth seeminly La Russa's choice for the fifth starter, when it's necessary—this is one of those weird La Russa decisions where Hawksworth isn't good enough to be an important part of the bullpen, so he can throw six innings every five days instead—Kyle Lohse's rehab is suddenly worth watching. Lohse: "The reason they gave was that originally they were just going to [operate on] the one muscle that showed up in the MRI, but just to make sure there wasn't any further problem, they did all the muscles. So they just want to make sure, because [the surgery] was a bit more intrusive." Well, alright.
  • Motte looks strong in earning third save. Motte looks strong just about all the time, it seems; he's striking out 11 per nine innings, his walk rate is down, and his ERA is good enough that the bad taste in Cardinals fans' collective mouth is just about washed out. What's impressive is the way he's done it; he began the season seemingly reliant on an unclassifiable Second Pitch, and has now moved directly to throwing 98 and only 98. These last few weeks—this must be what he looked like in Memphis in 2008. 
  • Cards will use DH role to spell regulars. This should not come as a huge shock, but it's bad news to the remaining contingent of Allen Craig fans. 
    "You look and see who needs to get off their feet," La Russa said. "Like a Ludwick might need to get off his feet one of those games. Who plays in his place? I don't know. That's the one plus I like about the six games, is that it gives our bench players [some chances to play]. Somebody's going to play."
    I'm glad to see newly superhuman Ryan Ludwick on La Russa's list of DHs, and I hope Albert Pujols can be convinced to take a game or two off. Since calling Craig up was as fantastic an option as Matt Holliday hitting second, I like what it is I think this means: more Randy Winn starting in right field and less Nick Stavinoha starting at DH. 

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Is how do we bat Albert in front of Albert in order to kick start Albert?

by Macarver hater on Jun 21, 2010 6:43 AM EDT reply actions  

Amaury Cazanza is involved.

"He’s in his own world out there. He says he doesn’t cuss. I disagree." - Skip Schumaker on Jason Motte
Austin Wilson, please don't be a tease!

by BVHeck on Jun 21, 2010 6:59 AM EDT up reply actions   3 recs

It's going to involve time travel, molecular biology, and quantum physics.

None of which I know anything about.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 21, 2010 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

For those of you familiar with the "Ender's Game" quartet of books:

Jane will need to be involved. Of course, Albert will need to pay attention to both of his bodies and thus not be quite as good in either body. I’m hoping a .900 OPS from the two Alberts would be okay with everyone. :)

by stlfan on Jun 21, 2010 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dave Duncan always tells his pitchers,

“Remember, the enemy’s gate is down… in the zone.”

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Jun 21, 2010 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions   4 recs

Anyone want to grow a set of Beans for our farm system?

Sounds good to me.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Jun 21, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

I never finished the entire Ender series

Stopped at Children of the Mind I think. Finished the Bean saga though, which I thought was very well done.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Jun 21, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Um, I think he is "jump-started."

Since June 14, 2010 (or, over the last week), Pujols is hitting .389/.560/.611/1.171. It would seem that a double-kick-starting has occurred.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jun 21, 2010 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

If Albert was right

He would have homered in the 8th yesterday, at least thats what we have come to expect.

by Macarver hater on Jun 21, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am very impressed with what Soup has done.

He did exactly what he was supposed to do. No more, no less.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 21, 2010 8:42 AM EDT reply actions  

Dennis?

Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")

by STLRegalia on Jun 21, 2010 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

nice

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 21, 2010 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'd like Soup to go 5 innings now

It’s great he isn’t killing us with runs. But if he did go 5 innings yesterday than we more than likely we wouldn’t have had 3 innings of Hawks worth. Salas would have still be able to come out of the pen and Tony would(er, should?) have been quicker with the hook. I doubt if Franklin and Motte were available to throw.

by Evilfrog on Jun 21, 2010 9:04 AM EDT reply actions  

I see this a little differently

The Cardinals should have been able to score more runs. It would be really good if Hawk could pitch at least 3 innings when he starts. No time like the present to start on this. The bullpen starts are going to be exciting.

There were many of the starters yesterday that went 0-fer.

"I've had pretty good success with Stan (Musial) by throwing him my best pitch and backing up third." - Carl Erskine

by spfldbird on Jun 21, 2010 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

The WonderGame will be decidedly exciting for Royals fans, I fear.

What’s worse is that the bullpen game may occur as our lineup attempts to hit the ball off of Greinke.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jun 21, 2010 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nooooooo!

I will be in attendance…

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jun 21, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

hey bgh... et al...

cj beatty may need your help

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 21, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I mean moving forward...

Yesterday’s lost I pin on the offense. Pretty much no one came through expect for Holliday. I mean, we had 5 hits. 3 of which were Holliday’s, and one of the two hits by other people were erased by base running mistake. Any time your 4th, 5th, 6th, or 7th starter is out there, you need to score more than 2 runs. More than likely to 5 or 6.

But going forward I would like Suppan to go 5 innings. I understand he was a reliever and hasn’t started since April. But after his first two games I think we really need 5 innings out of that rotation spot.

by Evilfrog on Jun 21, 2010 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, I am fairly sure that he will pitch that amound,

but I don’t think that going from the bullpen to starting is a quick fix in terms of endurance and arm strength. I see 5 innings in his next start fwiw.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Jun 21, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

At this point...

I’m not complaining about Soup…I’d say many people might have expected a TOTAL of four innings in his first two starts.

If you see a guy open the car door for his girlfriend, either the car is new or the girlfriend is.

by cardzfanbub on Jun 21, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, he should be able to make it through 5 innings

I hope he would eventually make it to 6. That is good for warmed over Soup.

"I've had pretty good success with Stan (Musial) by throwing him my best pitch and backing up third." - Carl Erskine

by spfldbird on Jun 21, 2010 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Excellent

Just in time to remind us we’re playing Skip.

by paposse on Jun 21, 2010 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Negative.

But I liked Hoff and hated to see him go.

by paposse on Jun 21, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's likely because Skip's wOBA last year was .336,

which made his poor defense less of a problem. League-average offense from the keystone is a nice thing to receive. This season, however, Skip’s wOBA is .284, which is well below league-average and makes his poor defense an even greater liability. I’ve pleaded for patience with Skip and even stated that he should still start. Skip’s slashes since May 17th, the day I published that Fanpost, has been: .288/.324/.336/.689. This is below average for an MLB second baseman, let alone an MLB player, this season and makes his defense an even greater liability.

That being said, when we released Hoffpauir, there was no reason to think that we didn’t have a .330ish wOBAing second baseman for 2010. And even this version of Skip may or may not be as good offensively as the Hoff.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jun 21, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

On the anecdotal evidence side...

It’s just the seemingly endless slow choppers to first and second off his bat that drive me insane.

by paposse on Jun 21, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Skip has always been a groundball hitter.

He hits groundballs over 58% of the time in his career with rates of 58.1% in 2008 and 61% in 2009. This season, it is 56.9% and his LD rate has risen to 19.3%, which is 2% higher than last season. It’s odd then that his BABIP is .288 this year, after being .341 last season and sitting at .325 for his career.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jun 21, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

We have reason to believe that Skip will return to form.

That being said, his lack of power is concerning. He is slugging a Miles-like .320 this season (actually, Miles has slugged .355 for his career, which is not at all good and shows how light-hitting Skip has been this season). Skip has slugged .388 for his career, slugging .393 last season while posting .406 SLG % in 2008. Better luck and more pop in the St. Louis summer would be a great remedy for Skip’s ailing production.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jun 21, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Most of the diff...

in SLG is BABIP/AVG dependent, too. His ISO this year is .069 compared to .090 last year and .095 for his career.

If you see a guy open the car door for his girlfriend, either the car is new or the girlfriend is.

by cardzfanbub on Jun 21, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

his LD% is 23.9 on the year

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jun 21, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thank you.

I read the wrong column, and thought it seemed rather low because he had been on pace for a career high LD% earlier this season, when last I looked. Thanks for catching my mistake.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jun 21, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

but hey check this out

his BABIP is .037 points lower than his career,
LDs are up,
 FBs are down,
BB/K is down,

this dude be gettin’ some bad luck as evidenced by .326 wOBAr

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jun 21, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

um

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jun 21, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Hoff!!!

don’t hassle him

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 21, 2010 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

there was a posting of a Passan *cle this weekend, and your sig wasn't there to remind anyone.

zoomzoom stepped into the vacuum.
there were also rabid dogs involved, but I skipped over most of that.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 21, 2010 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fair enough....

Internet access was spotty, as the wireless adapter crapped out while we were in STL, and I was getting bent over by the hotel for service. What did the * say this time.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jun 21, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

In a nutshell...

“I hate St. Louis food, and St. Louisians, and St. Louis.”

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

by TBender on Jun 21, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

I am really upset I missed this.....

also, the guy obviously never ate at Charlie Gitto’s……Everybody needs to have their Osso Boco at least once before they die.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jun 21, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wish people would just ignore Passan

He clearly just enjoys messing with people who complain about his anti-St. Louis bias. Which fuels more complaints, which fuels more provocation.
I don’t particularly like the guy, but I also wish people would get over the Best Fans In Baseball® conceit. I think Cardinals fans are among the best fanbase, but people have to stop believing we are somehow uniquely worthy to sit atop the Throne of Most Wonderful and Enlightened Fandom.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Jun 21, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

oh sure, now you tell me to get over it

once I’ve already gotten the BFIB face tattoo

by mattyp on Jun 21, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

My hatred for him has nothing to do

with the BFIB moniker. He thinks we all have this tattooed on us when we come out of the womb. The guy is petty and a hack.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jun 21, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

he gave us shit for having the Arch!

i mean, that’s just ridiculous and screams intentional baiting

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jun 21, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly.

I stopped reading him long, long ago.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jun 21, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

my bad RR

but there was something that really irked me in a recent article of his. i just had to show my displeasure in some shape or form.

by zoomzoomj88 on Jun 21, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wow

That’s just so pointlessly antagonistic of him.

Guys like Bradley are exactly why we can't have a pumpkin patch anymore.

by liam on Jun 21, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

on the one hand

i think some of what he’s saying is funny. on the other, he should be able to let it go. full disclosure: i don’t live in stl

by mikey_mac on Jun 21, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

ot: wtf federer

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 21, 2010 9:54 AM EDT reply actions  

I accidently....

Read the comments on Goold’s article over at the PD site.

Stupid people really piss me off. I understand why old me are bitter. Over time you just get more bitter dealing with people.

by Evilfrog on Jun 21, 2010 10:29 AM EDT reply actions  

and now i've done it.

i like how whenever commenter A says hey, stop whining we’re in first place and our key guys are starting to heat up, things are looking better, etc., the other commenters are like “oh, commenter A must work for the PD!” asshats.

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jun 21, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or, they work for the Cardinals

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

by TBender on Jun 21, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

IHeartBoog...

must work for the PD or something!

If you see a guy open the car door for his girlfriend, either the car is new or the girlfriend is.

by cardzfanbub on Jun 21, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jun 21, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

People Suck....

…but cows rock!
;=8)

Big McLargehuge!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Jun 21, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

cows do rock

between a bun with cheese & bacon, cooked medium well with some Lea & Perrins, with a taco…

Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")

by STLRegalia on Jun 21, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

:=8P

Heart disease is cow revenge!

Big McLargehuge!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Jun 21, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

just got my heart & cholesterol checked not too long ago

perfect bill of health…bring on the beef!

Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")

by STLRegalia on Jun 21, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cows

rock producing nutritious milk, which gets turned into all sorts of wonderful products like yoghurt, ghee, paneer, ice cream, lassi, and so on?

by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Jun 22, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Something interesting

The Reds actually have a negative record in third order wins right now. Is this relevant? As someone who doesn’t even truly understand how third order wins work, I can reply with a resounding “maybe!”
Also, at MLB.com our expected win/loss is now at 41-28, which clobbers the Reds’ 36-34 mark.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Jun 21, 2010 10:32 AM EDT reply actions  

Basically

That’s saying they’ve exceeded their BaseRun expectation on offense/defense (they “should” have scored/allowed fewer/more runs than they have) as well as their pythagorean expectation.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jun 21, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Does third order wins take into account strength of schedule?

SRS at BP does; by SRS, we’ve been ~5 wins better (49 runs) than CIN this year. They’ve been below average there, too.

Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers

by SleepyCA on Jun 21, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

erm B-R

Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers

by SleepyCA on Jun 21, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, all I know is that it is one of those "this is how they should be doing" things

Eliminating luck and whatnot.
Anybody care to gander at what the best one of those is?

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Jun 21, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

my main concern with the reds would be jocketty pulling off a trade

they seem better situated than us to do so. i would doubt they’d be in on a lee rental when they have bailey and volquez coming back and harang throwing well. the pen is ok and can add chapman. but they could seriously upgrade their weakest link, cabrera, who is old in the field and can’t hit, which hurts them more since dusty bats him leadoff.

they have alonso to trade, since i can’t see them moving votto off first nor the need for alonso in left field with 3 young outfielders in bruce, stubbs, and heisey who all came up as centerfielders. plus they have an option on gomes. if they traded alonso to the d’backs for drew that would be a pretty good infield in cincy, probably the best in the league.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 21, 2010 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

They don't need to trade anymore

They just signed Gary Matthews, Jr. to a minor league deal. Problems solved.

by mojowo11 on Jun 22, 2010 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

ha

i doubt they stop at minor-league depth. the owner is apparently willing to spend, and that’s all trader jock needs.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 22, 2010 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

I bet other hitting coaches hate Dave Duncan...

He’s the rumpelstiltskin of MLB…

"I don't like to sound egotistical, but every time I stepped up to the plate with a bat in my hands, I couldn't help but feel sorry for the pitcher." Rogers hornsby.

by pattimagee on Jun 21, 2010 10:38 AM EDT reply actions  

Probably more the pitching coaches hearing it from their GMs and fans

saying, “why couldn’t you get these results out of (insert name of otherwise mediocre pitcher here)?”

by bailorg on Jun 21, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Motte had his cup of coffee in 2008, didn't he?

because I’m still burning up from those appearances.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 21, 2010 11:49 AM EDT reply actions  

yes

 appearances in September.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jun 21, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

i had to throw out those towels....

http://stlouis.cardinals.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=3422287

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 21, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

I loved that game.

I remember Grace gushing over Motte.

Also in that highlight, Flip playing left field.

by paposse on Jun 21, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

the highlights that aren't on there are Motte's Busch appearances

that’s where I, uh, threw in the towels.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 21, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Grace

I remember him lauding over Motte that game. Every time Motte threw the heat, Grace would lower his voice to a raspy groan, “GAAAS” he would say. Then he would remark at how Motte would “Attack the catcher” as he charged toward Yadi to get the throw back.

*subject to my memory and could be a bit off. but hey, its my memory.

C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!

by yer dog first on Jun 21, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

From what I've watched mostly of Haren/Webb....Grace says GAAAS all the time

Dan Haren’s 85 mph cutter has received the GAAAAS treatment.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jun 21, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dont usually listen to the AWAY feed, unless its Scully.

but, MLB.tv was acting up that night and I had to listen to their broadcast. It was the first time I heard Grace call a game and the first time Id actually saw Motte throw.

C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!

by yer dog first on Jun 21, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

also

85 is not GAAAAS, that starts at 87.

C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!

by yer dog first on Jun 21, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

maybe

too much GAAAAS is what is ailing the Big Sweat.

Carry the battle to them. Don't let them bring it to you. Put them on the defensive and don't ever apologize for anything.

by giveml on Jun 21, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

maybe

C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!

by yer dog first on Jun 21, 2010 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

he says it whenever anyone swings and misses, basically

But yeah, they are awful.

IIRC, Motte came close to having a negative FIP in 2008- that was fun.

Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers

by SleepyCA on Jun 21, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Toy Story 3

1) Great, great movie. It was perfectly geared towards my generation, who was Andy’s age during the first movie, and experienced the move-away-to-college thing of the third movie. I honestly almost cried at the end.

2) I absolutely cannot believe that the original movie came out in 1995! If I made a guess without looking, I would have said 1999 or 2000 at the earliest, but nope; 15 years ago is right. And it was the first of just an incredible run of movies: Toy Story 2, Finding Nemo, the Incredibles, Cars (ehhh…), Monsters Inc, WALL-E, Up! What a fantastic studio

3) Seattle is infinitely cooler with my fiance, who flew up yesterday, here. More reason to go out and do stuff. In fact, we’re gonna head up to Vancouver next weekend, spend the nights in my car, and live how a 21-year-old couple in a foreign country should: like bohemians

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jun 21, 2010 11:58 AM EDT reply actions  

My uncle (younger than me) lives up in Seattle, I and my brother and my dad visited

and took a kayaking trip in the San Juan Islands.. VERY COOL. I fully recommend. We got to be within 100 ft. of a pod of Orcas that we kayaked through dense fog to find. It was a trip Ill never forget.

by ADMDrayson on Jun 21, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

If the weather were to get nice, I would love to do that trip

There’s so much I need to do here; hike Mount Rainier, bike to the Red Hook Brewery on the other side of the lake and back, see a lot of festivals…

But those are conditional on two things: spare time and nice weather. The only spare time I have, due to work, is on the weekends, which means that the weather has to be nice on the weekends. Asking for nice weather is difficult enough, let alone requiring to be on two specific days of the week.

I suppose I prefer it to 100 degrees and humid, like it was growing up in Missouri, but at least then, I could still go out and play tennis during the day

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jun 21, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

im not ashamed to say

That I did cry at the end, but holy hell pixar can make some fantastic movies. Our theatre was pretty packed and I noticed most of the 20 somethings and even the old crowd were the ones oohin and aahing and laughing more than any of the little kids. You really hit it on the nose that this movie was geared towards the 20somethin generation because I remember seeing this movie when I was 9 years old and it truly is insane that was 15 years ago.

by lopey986 on Jun 21, 2010 12:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Don't forget A Bug's Life, and Ratatouille.

Seriously, it gets said over and over, but it’s true: Pixar is in the midst of the single most brilliant sustained run of excellence in movie creation any studio has ever had. They have not put out a single bad movie. Not one. They’ve all been, at the very least, good, and, at best, absolute masterpieces. Honestly, they’ve deserved at least one or two best picture Oscars at this point. (I mean, come on, how do you not at least nominate WALL-E?? You’re telling me that freaking Brad Pitt aging backwards is more deserving than that work of art?)

"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols

by splhcb67 on Jun 21, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

The five minute scene at the start of Up! was one of the most beautiful scenes in film

I truly believe that.

This one

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jun 21, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Amen.

And (MINOR SPOILER WARNING) I think they may have just created its counterpart with the closing scenes (beginning with the “holding hands” sequence…those who have seen the movie, I think, will know what I mean…and going through the final scene.

"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols

by splhcb67 on Jun 21, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh man, yes

However, Mr. Tortilla Man was poignant in that it represented the perseverance and sacrifice that the toys endure in order to get back to Andy

Wait…

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jun 21, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also: Sid is the garbageman

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jun 21, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wait, seriously???

I did not catch that! Now I need to watch it again…because if that’s true, it’s absolutely perfect on so many levels.

"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols

by splhcb67 on Jun 21, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep. Look at the shirts

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jun 21, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

And this is why I love Pixar.

Thanks for the screencaps!

"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols

by splhcb67 on Jun 21, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I also really liked the montage in Wall-E with

Louis Armstrong singing La Vie en Rose. It’s not even that Pixar is making the best films these days, its that they seem to be the only major studio even trying to come up with original, creative ideas. Instead, the rest are content to make Saw XII, or turn some shitty board game into a movie, or allow Michael Bay to direct a film. DIAF Michael Bay, and let your untalented, uncreative ashes be forever swept away from this earth.

by mattyp on Jun 21, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

And the hilarious thing is

that we’re talking about Pixar being original and creative as they’ve just released a second sequel…and there’s no hint of irony, nor should there be.

"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols

by splhcb67 on Jun 21, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm trying to think of another company

That I have complete 100% blind faith in whatever they do. If they released a Toy Story 4 (which they absolutely shouldn’t, and won’t), I would still watch it, just because it’s Pixar

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jun 21, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Coming soon from Pixar studios:

Man Reading The Phonebook, The Movie!
It would still be good.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Jun 21, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

You forgot re-makes.

Hollywood seems to be re-making anything they can get their hands on these days.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jun 21, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Gritty, realistic take on _______________"

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jun 21, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't forget sequels of remakes....

Oceans 28 coming to a theater near you.

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by RiverRat on Jun 21, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Stopped reading at Neil Patrick Harris Unveils

I’m watching it.

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jun 21, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Communism was a red herring

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

by TBender on Jun 21, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

No love for Jumanji? Clearly Oscar caliber.

Monopoly: The Movie would be interesting, in this Tough Economic Times.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Jun 21, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ugh thanks.

That clip of Up… I can’t watch it. Since having my own children I can’t watch those kinds of clips without crying like a school girl.

What a great movie though. You all have got me excited to see Toy Story 3.

by paposse on Jun 21, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

There is unquestionably a bit of Academy snobbery toward animated films.

And I agree 100% that Pixar should have been nominated at least a time or two. After all, each of their films has been better than Avatar and The Blind Side, in my opinion. Hopefully, with the 10 nominations for Best Picture, Pixar will earn a nomination in the near future.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jun 21, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, they did get a nomination for Up with the expanded category this past year.

But even that just felt like a token pat on the head. Sure, they’ve got their Best Animated Picture award, but that’s not even a competition at this point.

"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols

by splhcb67 on Jun 21, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

They should just change that to the Pixar Award

Except when effing Shrek stole it. Ludicrous.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Jun 21, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

No...the worst one

Was Happy Feet winning over Cars. Now, granted, Cars is one of Pixar’s “merely” good movies…but Happy Feet is an okay kiddie flick that, for no reason whatsoever, decides halfway through to bludgeon its viewers over the head with environmentalism. You want to make a statement in your movie, fine…but for crying out loud, do it artistically.

"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols

by splhcb67 on Jun 21, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Huh. I didn't realize that movie won an award

Probably wasn’t paying attention because, like you, I thought Cars was one of Pixar’s weaker movies (which means it is still quite good). It has really grown on me though.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Jun 21, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

To be honest, I didn't either until today.

This thread led me to just search around on Wikipedia, and I noticed that while looking at the winners in the Best Animation category. Seriously, Happy Feet??

"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols

by splhcb67 on Jun 21, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

The academy voters are a fickle bunch.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Jun 21, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

The best part of Cars

is at the end, where they’re at the drive-in watching all the parodies of Pixar movies with cars as the main characters. And John Ratzenberger’s character in Cars makes fun of all the John Ratzenberger characters in the other movies.

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by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Jun 21, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or the spinoff Mater-toons

Well shoot buddy, you were there!

Pixar Short Films FTW

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

by TBender on Jun 21, 2010 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

There was a Pixar short films marathon on the Disney channel last night

It was pretty awesome. Amazing to see how far the animation has come from the really early ones to current technology.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Jun 21, 2010 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's kinda wierd

in animated films you have an unlimited ability for special effects, but where pixar accelerates is story. All of their stories are, intelligent, thought provoking, emotional, funny, a just down right entertaining. You care about the characters, even if they are just old toys. You care about the story, even if it is about a house being carried away by balloons.

Movies tend to just be able special effects any more. At least the ones that win the awards.
Who really gives shit about a bunch of overgrown smurfs?

by Evilfrog on Jun 21, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's funny.

The most compelling characters in WALL-E were robots, and the cast of Avatar might as well have been made of cardboard.

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by hazel on Jun 21, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well put.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jun 21, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Go Robots!

Think; It's not illegal yet.

by azruavatar on Jun 21, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree Pixar does make some great movies..

My family went to see TS-3 on Sat. and it was my kids (almost 2yr old and a 3 yr old) first movie. It helped that we got them Buzz and Woody and Jessy and Slinky and Rex toys and they loved the first 2 movies. It was really good. The greatest thing Pixar has done better than most animated films/cartoons, is to make movies that adults can really enjoy as well as kids, so I can actually really enjoy bringing my kids to the movie rather than just having to take one for the team.

by ADMDrayson on Jun 21, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

i love ratatouille.

just throwing that out there.

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by IHeartBoog on Jun 21, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know I know, I left it out because I wasn't sure how to spell it haha

And A Bug’s Life I always get confused with Antz

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jun 21, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmmm? Why's that, Mooster Cow?

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jun 21, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Goddammit I should've gone with "How now brown cow?"

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jun 21, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just not into 12 dollar cartoons...

:=8/

Especially since Hollybore decided that adult ‘R"-rated moovies aren’t profitable since parents can’t take their squealing brats to watch them. We’ll never have an-udder Blade Runner, but we’ll have oodles of expensive, mindless cartoons in the theaters. Moore proof that teens and tweens rule the world…
:=8/

Big McLargehuge!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Jun 21, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did you see Up! ?

That movie is a child film in animation style only. That movie’s themes are, uh, deep and very adult

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jun 21, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pixar doesn't make kids movies

They make movies that anyone, literally anyone, can get something out of watching. There’s a huge difference.

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by redbirdnation8206 on Jun 21, 2010 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeh saw toy story 3 today

it’s pretty sad and full of adventure – of course is also hilarious (which was surprising)

pretty much the best way to end the movie i think

Rasmus can hit lefties
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by stlcardsfan4 on Jun 21, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

FESPN's Cy Young Predictor

sorry if i’m nexdef’d here. thought i would point out that ubaldo is ranked #1 in the NL (and should be), Waino is #2, and Carp is #6. JAIME GARCIA, with his 1.59 ERA is not in the top 10 (i guess probably because he’s low on IP).

linky

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"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jun 21, 2010 1:17 PM EDT reply actions  

His win count and winning percentage are pretty pedestrian too

Every starter on that list has at least 8 wins compared to his 6, and only Halladay has a worse winning percentage. But hopefully last year was the beginning of the end for using those stats for Cy (not that I think Jaime deserves it; I definitely agree that it should be Ubaldo’s if the season ended today).

by BTown Birds fan on Jun 21, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

That predictor needs an overhaul....

Relievers are not going to get extra cy votes for having a good won-loss record in 2010.

DFA Miles, Call up Cox

by guayzimi on Jun 21, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

no cliff lee, greinke, lincecum, or even felix makes for an odd list

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 21, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it's mainly IPs

going 5 or 6 innings isn’t going to win a CY Young even if you are only giving up 1 or 2 runs a game. (Ok, if you pitch 5 innings every game without giving up a run I’d might listen to your argument on why you should win the Cy Young.)

Not saying that going 5-6 with only giving up 1-2 runs isn’t good. It is good. 6 innings of 1-2 run ball is good. But it’s not Cy Young caliber.

To seriously be in the Cy Young Conversation Jaime is going to have to start going 7+ innings consistently.

by Evilfrog on Jun 21, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Frankly, the fact that Jaime's anywhere NEAR the Cy Young discussion

at this point in the season is quite something, I’d say.

"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols

by splhcb67 on Jun 21, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not trying to take anything away from Jaime

The guy is having a Great Rookie Year and he should be in the Rookie of the Year running. He is a very very good young pitcher. But the Cy Young is the best pitcher. And he isn’t the Best pitcher this year. (so far).

by Evilfrog on Jun 21, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, of course not.

I’m with you, totally.

"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols

by splhcb67 on Jun 21, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

to clarify, i wasn't saying that Jaime should win the cy young.

i was just surprised that he’s not listed in the top 10 for that predictor, which awards a huge amount of points to ERA and wins.

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jun 21, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Does Rookie of the Year count players coming in part season...a la Strasburg.

If he dominates the way he has been or gets better…it’d be hard to deny the hype and give it to him.

by ADMDrayson on Jun 21, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes.

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

by TBender on Jun 21, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

TLR as frustrated as us.

According to Bernie, in a byte from today:

Tony La Russa was steamed Sunday, much more than he let on publicly … he really wanted the Cardinals to win that game and sweep Oakland. La Russa knows the Cardinals have squandered an opportunity to open up a good-sized lead in the NL Central, and it really bugs him.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jun 21, 2010 1:29 PM EDT reply actions  

I told the Mariners to do as best as they could

They swept the Reds. I did my job.

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jun 21, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fuck yeah Mariners

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jun 21, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sixth-best Organization in Baseball!

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by redbirdnation8206 on Jun 21, 2010 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I certainly hope so...

Seattle and Oakland are two craptacular teams… That said, we did get pretty lucky missing Lee and Felix while the Reds caught both.

DFA Miles, Call up Cox

by guayzimi on Jun 21, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's the difference-maker.

We caught the offensively inept Mariners without facing their incredible one-two pitching punch, while the Reds caught the one-two pitching punch right on the chin.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jun 21, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

then why didn't he pitch boggs in the 8th - he could have even gone two

he hasn’t pitched in a week – is he hurt?

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 21, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think he might have just been trying

to stretch him out a little to get ready for the bullpen game this weekend. Just a guess.

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by RiverRat on Jun 21, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

k-mac

and if the game continues, all hands on deck. our pen was full anyway. i love how the rays try to win the game at hand – saturday they pitched the whole bullpen and then shields on his throw day and had tuesday’s starter davis warming up to come in.

i think boggs must have some issue though to not have pitched in a week.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 21, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

we still wouldn't have won the game

issue was all the non-Holliday Offensive players refusing to hit or get on base.

Bullpen pitched 4 1/3 innings of 1 run ball. Issue was not the way the pen was used.

by Evilfrog on Jun 21, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

well, i don't know if we would have won or not

but i would have liked to find out. hawk did fine, i’m just talking about the decision to push him that last inning, which perhaps is because, as RR suggested, they were stretching him for his start. otherwise, would have been nice for boggs to shut them down a couple innings and go to the bottom of the 9th tied 2-2, where we likely don’t see that closer they have, who is pretty good. so, we had a full pen, just wondering why he sent hawk out for the 8th, which i thought was going to the well once too often.

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by cardball on Jun 21, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

good news alert

it’s been over a week since miles last had a PA. did anyone even remember he was still on the team?

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by prophetjohn on Jun 21, 2010 1:41 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

I was so happy that I only had to see

him once this week.

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Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jun 21, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

in other hardly getting used complementary pieces news

fernando salas is perfect through 2.1 IP

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by prophetjohn on Jun 21, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm hopeful

that Salas coming into situations and not allowing inherited runners to score will earn him points with TLR and possibly lead to Salas being used later in games later in the season.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jun 21, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

#hpgf?

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jun 21, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

So dumb

It’s great news that we are just not using the 25th roster spot relative to the actual horror of using the player actually put there.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jun 21, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Sad, but true...

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jun 21, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

The horror...

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by redbirdnation8206 on Jun 21, 2010 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've noticed this and am really happy about it

although, it makes you wonder why he’s even on the team. veteran presence I guess, make sure boog doesn’t goof around too much.

*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 21, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

What Miles brings to the club,

literally does not show up in the box score.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jun 21, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions   4 recs

grit

*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 21, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Voldershort is too evil

to have grit. He instead uses angst

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by Dttl89 on Jun 21, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

...nothing?

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jun 21, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

his wNothing+ is off the charts at 0!

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jun 21, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions   3 recs

and he has to have a GVAR of what, 6 or 7?

*Gritty Veteraness Above Replacement

Cardinals Baseball 2010: Why have only one 25th man when you can have four?

by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Jun 21, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Needs moar abbreviation

wNth+

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

by TBender on Jun 21, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

who?

oh, you mean Dr. Thunder.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
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by Yadi2Second on Jun 21, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

good read, danup

a rec for you. especially since it has pitch f/x, it complements your writing style well. well, it complements any post that has a review of a pitching performance. it does look like he is getting his swinging strikes by the Duncan ordnance. this Suppan thing isn’t bothering me nearly as much as I thought. I think I was just still mad over the Miles call up so that he can ride the bench.

I find it a little odd that we are hearing so much about Lohse’s progress, which seems to be not very useful information, and haven’t really heard much of anything about Penny, who I thought would be back by now.

also, it was a real thrill to be standing with the crowd at Busch stadium watching Motte mow down batters with 98+mph heat. I’ve kind of had a hunch that he is going to steal the closer job from Franklin by the end of the season, and this seems to back it up a tiny bit. I’d prefer that this situation doesn’t arise too much, but if Motte can continue to progress I don’t see why he couldn’t be a better closer than Franklin come September.

*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 21, 2010 2:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Dan and Al talked about Penny yesterday

Seemed to imply that he wouldn’t be back until after the break.

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by SleepyCA on Jun 21, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

man stew... out of control?

I am usually amused by man stew reports, but the specific way in which they’re losing games vs. the loose clubhouse are making me slightly… uneasy. just a touch. not enough to go all-caps or anything.

granted, this is mostly via bj rains, who investigated shelby miller’s sitting out a spell by calling his mom.

  1. [corrected tweet, the first “loose clubhouse” one was deleted]
     Not sure why I said Wedding Crashers….La Russa was watching Step Brothers. Tuesday, June 15, 2010 4:41:10 PM via web
  2. Another loose clubhouse today….players were laughing and joking while Ryan Franklin tried to catch popups from the pitching machine.
    The pitching machine shoots out 100 MPH knuckleballs straight into the air, which make for harder fly balls than they will see in the game.
    The infielders and even Ryan Franklin wanted to get in on the fun today and try to catch a fly ball. A lot of laughs and cheers all around.
    Tony La Russa finally stepped in and said “that’s enough” and ended the drill before somebody got hurt.
    - 4:49 PM Jun 16th via web, 4:53 PM Jun 16th via web, 4:54 PM Jun 16th via web, June 16, 2010 4:58:08 PM via web
  3. video (warning: bullpen)
    screencap (no, really. bullpen.)
  4. VERY loose clubhouse again. Dance party to ‘Thriller’ and then Molina dimmed the lights when ‘My heart will go on’ by Celine Dion came on. 1:20 PM Jun 20th via web
  5. Fortunately, Chris Carpenter is the same.
    Carpenter needed all of six minutes to warm up in the bullpen….must be a hot night. 7:09 PM Jun 18th via web
    Often seen in the company of small children and Jeff Suppan, fwiw.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 21, 2010 3:26 PM EDT reply actions  

unwound - leaves turn inside you

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jun 21, 2010 3:26 PM EDT reply actions  

that album is fantastic

*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 21, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes

there was a missed exit involved and some late night strasburg viewing. drank a shot when I got to the crash site. not the best idea.

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 21, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

i don’t know how i had never heard of it before, but i just found it and it is pretty awesome after a second listen through

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jun 21, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I saw that band live before knowing them very well

I was absolutely blown away. that particular album sounds a bit different than the rest of their discography but I like it a lot. their other mandatory listening is ‘Repetition’, get it.

New Plastic Ideas and Fake Train are also great. one of my favorite bands, very underrated. when you are in the right mood for their music, it’s hard to beat listening to them, they’ll put shudders up and down your spine.

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 21, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

do you have RYM?

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jun 21, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

expound

what is rym

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 21, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

whoa

rateyourmusic.com

at the very least it’s the best source for getting ratings and reviews on albums, but you can also sign up and, well, rate your music. you can write reviews or just rate albums, etc

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jun 21, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

that is a great website, I always look at year end lists and I like that one to balance out the other ones that have critics or even people telling them what to review. rateyourmusic is kind of like the people’s rating system, and you see a lot of highly rated metal albums on there so I think it’s more fair, since metal is a popular genre but it often gets censored or whatever. I also like checking out sputnikmusic.com periodically to see what people are rating highly. I don’t really always agree with any of these sites but sometimes it will give me an idea of what to check out if I am stumped on what to listen to next.

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 21, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Atomic Bitchwax

for me. Although I have never figured out what the group name actually means. New Jersey boys, saw them live in a bar in the worst part of Vancouver finishing off a night of stoner rock groups….or whatever.

by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Jun 22, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

they're pretty good

I like the standard stuff like Clutch, Fu Manchu, the Melvins, and Kyuss. and Orange Goblin is really good, one of the loudest bands I’ve heard live. actually all of those bands I mentioned are really really good live, except I haven’t seen Kyuss.

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 23, 2010 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hey, I'm a twitter star!

Apparently one of my tweets made a “news article?”

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jun 21, 2010 3:27 PM EDT reply actions  

remember us when you make it big

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 21, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's awesome

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jun 21, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like how they quote

Will Lietch like he’s just some random guy and not, you know, sorta famous.

Albert Pujols is ridiculous.

by stlhulsey on Jun 21, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

My great Uncle that I really didn't know passed away in March

Just found out he failed to mention to the family he won the Congressional Medal of Honor in Korea. We are just now finding out about it. WTF! I would be wearing that shit to get free drinks and girls.

by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 21, 2010 3:38 PM EDT reply actions  

my condolences

I was just thinking yesterday, that all the older males in my family have passed away, save one uncle I never see who lives on an Indian reservation. that just leaves my brother and I I think with the family last name.

it’s funny how even though your family is very close to you, you are always finding out new things about them.

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 21, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I met/learned of my brother at my dad's funeral

Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")

by STLRegalia on Jun 21, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

wow.

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 21, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

i

am the only one of my generation carrying the family name, but I have 4 sons to carry on the legacy – does it really matter? But they are all great sports fans, which is comforting. Now, speaking of all this family tradition stuff, my grandfather and his 3 brothers all fought in France in WW1. So I fugure, the modern equivalent is me going to Kandahar next month for 2 months to consult on ag. development. Call me crazy.

by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Jun 22, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

are you saying you're going to kandahar?

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 22, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

The answer

is yes. I need an examination, but I others are there in much more precarious positions. Being naive, I would hope that whatever I contribute developmentally wins the hearts and minds so girls can go to school, instead of guys bombing schools full of grade 3 girls. This stuff happened when I was in AFG for 3 years 2005-2007. Sorry to digress from baseball, but I guess I do use this site somewhat to raise development issues to intelligent people. If it is inappropriate, I will desist.

by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Jun 23, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's not inappropriate

i just wanted to make sure i understood that this was happening, or just a consideration.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 23, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

My Grandfather that I knew very well

was awarded the CMOH, Bronze and Silver Stars w/Heroism, a Purple Heart and a Presidential Citation during WW2. We had no idea until after he had passed that he was so decorated. All we ever knew of his military service was that he was a “Good Soldier”.

C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!

by yer dog first on Jun 21, 2010 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Your Grandfather was an Ass Kicker

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Jun 21, 2010 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

So who is starting on Saturday and Sunday?

The world wide leader says we are starting Garcia and Carp on short rest. I can’t imagine that TLR would do that to Garcia, and I don’t feel comfortable extending Carp like that. Does this mean that we are starting Hawk again? I would feel much more comfortable calling up Ottavino or Walters (I prefer Ottavino). Also, the Cards next off day is July 5, so a 5th starter really is necessary in the upcoming weeks.

As a fan of baseball, I am excited that we are seeing two of the Jays best pitchers this week, Cecil and Romero. Although after looking here, they appear to have a very balanced rotation. I wish for the Cardinals sake, we bring our bats. Maybe the homer happy ways of Toronto are contagious.

"I told you, I don't like to be manhandled!"

by jacksonian on Jun 21, 2010 4:06 PM EDT reply actions  

I heard Hawk is starting on Saturday I think

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 21, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

P-D said there would be a WonderGame

with Hawk and his merry band of bullpenners covering all 9 innings.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jun 21, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

hmmm...
Hawk and his merry band of bullpenners covering all 9 innings.

Calling it now. Hawksworth pitches the whole 9.

by Evilfrog on Jun 21, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

and the cardinals lose 14-0

with Toronto hitting 14 solo home runs

Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")

by STLRegalia on Jun 21, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t like that Salas hasn’t gotten into many games, either, but the reason for sending Ottavino and Walters down was so they could get regular starts at Memphis and, theoretically, be “ready” to start when needed, rather than having them pitch garbage relief at the major-league level.

Not sure I necessarily agree with that, but that’s probably what they had in mind.

by Jmodene on Jun 21, 2010 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually, regular rest

with the off-day today, Carp and Wainwright and Garcia would be going against Toronto on 4 days’ rest. It says something, though, that we’re starting to think of four days as “short rest”.

Anyway, to continue, short of obtaining or calling up another pitcher, we’d likely see Suppan on Friday and the bullpen start on Saturday in KC, with Carp going on Sunday, again on four days’ rest. It’s possible, though, that they could flip the Friday and Saturday starters in hopes the extra day could result in Soup going six innings instead of just five.

by Jmodene on Jun 21, 2010 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

nice

 MLBSTLCardinals Matt Holliday wins NL player of the week. .435 avg, 4HR, 8RBI, 1.000 slg #stlcards 8 minutes ago via txt

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 21, 2010 4:30 PM EDT reply actions  

And jumped his season OPS from .815 to .870

/the stupidity of being too concerned with stats before mid-season

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jun 21, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

If we're talking the life of Holliday's contract?

About mid-season next year before I’d get too worried.

Otherwise the bullshitting answer is that it depends on context. It’s obviously indicative of something that Rasmus has dominated—-do I think he’s a .950 OPS type player going forward? Not really, but it seems clear that Rasmus as a player is more 2010 than 2009, that shit doesn’t happen by accident. Likewise a 32 year old replacement level 2B then hitting .188 .225 .241 in his past 180 PAs means something—-oh wait he’s in the big leagues still. On a more positive spin, does it mean anything that Pujols is “only” at .306 .426 .548? Not really. He hit .327 .429 .568 for all of 2007. Making definitive statements on 1/3 of a season is just dumb unless what you are looking at jumps off the page—-you can barely make judgments off of one season.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jun 21, 2010 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

we do know that Rasmus has a lot of power

so it will depend more on how often he connects, adjustments, etc. batting average basically. we know he can take a walk. I could see him being around .900 OPS

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 21, 2010 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

what are his updated numbers w/RISP?

i know yesterday he never batted w/risp, but he must have this series.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 21, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Player of the week!!!!

MVP

check out VEB on facebook...just search groups for Viva El Birdos

by Dttl89 on Jun 21, 2010 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

was that all in the a's series?

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 21, 2010 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can get on that train of thought

is he veteran enough though? Has it ever been done anyone other than a washed up white guy?

Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")

by STLRegalia on Jun 21, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

was he released or something?

looks like he’s having a pretty solid year

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jun 21, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah he's back to being good...

Marquis 2004 good. Dunc can take him to Pineiro 2009.

DFA Miles, Call up Cox

by guayzimi on Jun 21, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

how do we get him to our team?

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jun 21, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dunno if he's available...

he signed one of these Ian Snell/Adam Wainwright type contracts back when he was a great 23 year old – the kind with multiple escalating club options. Now it’s unclear if those options will be picked up. He’s making $5, 6, 7, 9, and 11 million 2010-2014.

DFA Miles, Call up Cox

by guayzimi on Jun 21, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

i doubt they trade him

unless it’s just an offer they can’t refuse.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 21, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

You think it'd cost...

more than DeRosa? I can see maybe a little more, but not much. Maybe a Jay/Henley in addition to Todd and Perez.

DFA Miles, Call up Cox

by guayzimi on Jun 21, 2010 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cox/Lynn for Carmona?

Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")

by STLRegalia on Jun 21, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

cox hasn't even signed

and if he had, he wouldn’t be eligible for a trade. not that i understand why you would want to trade him

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jun 21, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

outside of us having no right to trade cox

i’d say that’s the type of talent package it would take, although maybe otto instead of lynn.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 21, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

wha?

They won’t get a top prospect for Carmona. No way.

DFA Miles, Call up Cox

by guayzimi on Jun 21, 2010 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jun 21, 2010 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

we probably rate cox a bit differently

but i said talent package – they aren’t going to get a team’s top-end talent or a recent first-round draft pick, but talent-wise i think they get this type of package. if you like replace cox with craig as the hitter in the package. carmona is pretty young and has a workable contract.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 21, 2010 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

cox != craig

not even close

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jun 21, 2010 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

similar talents

the difference is age and the sheen of first-round pick

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 21, 2010 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

whatever "similar talents" means

cox’ ceiling is much higher than craig’s

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jun 21, 2010 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

if he can play third or second it is

if they both played left i think it would be fairly equal, though craig might have more power.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 21, 2010 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

i hate off days because they force me to do things i wouldn't normally do...like read the PD

i enjoyed this gem from gordo:

bryancathey: Hi Sir. If interleague play is to show the National League cities how the American League plays & to show the AL cities how the NL plays WHY dont they use the DH in NL cities & let the pitchers bat in AL cities during intreleague play???? That way the FANS from both leagues could see how the other league plays baseball. THANK YOU. Bryan
Jeff Gordon: The fans see the differences when AL teams play in NL parks and vice-versa. That is sufficient.

that’s basically the worst answer EVER.

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jun 21, 2010 5:55 PM EDT reply actions  

wat

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jun 21, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

geez, these answers are awful.

i’ve never read his Q&A before. its really, really bad.

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jun 21, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why is Jeff Gordon employed at the PD?

He doesn’t really do reporting. He doesn’t have any specific expertise. He isn’t particularly funny.

DFA Miles, Call up Cox

by guayzimi on Jun 21, 2010 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

fixed

He doesn’t really do reporting. He doesn’t have any specific expertise. He isn’t particularly funny.

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jun 21, 2010 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

You remind me of an old history professor of mine...

We’d lose points for every unnecessary modifier. Any version of the verb “to be” was also banned.

DFA Miles, Call up Cox

by guayzimi on Jun 21, 2010 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

passive voice = the root of all evil

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jun 21, 2010 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's just because you took legal research and writing.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jun 21, 2010 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

down, CJ.

"He’s in his own world out there. He says he doesn’t cuss. I disagree." - Skip Schumaker on Jason Motte
Austin Wilson, please don't be a tease!

by BVHeck on Jun 22, 2010 2:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

CJ?

is VEB going with… actual names now?
god help us

by d-dee on Jun 22, 2010 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

cj beatty

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 22, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

LOL

Regression, bitches.

by spants on Jun 22, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

"Omit needless words."

That was my dad’s writing mantra.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Jun 21, 2010 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

That question has been asked many times before.

The answer may never be found.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Jun 21, 2010 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

It's a great question....

I’ve that they should do this since the inception. I was hoping it would lead to the DH going away.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jun 21, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

^ I've felt

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jun 21, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

i agree. and i don't think we're alone in that regard.

i’ve heard discussion of putting the DH in NL parks, taking it away in AL parks for awhile. and that was kind of my point. It’s a GREAT question. the answer is fucking worthless. and wrong.

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jun 21, 2010 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

stupid answer

but i agree with the question (if that makes sense)

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 21, 2010 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know.

That questioner makes it sounds like people in Seattle don’t have any idea how the pitcher batting affects the game, or, that people in St. Louis have no idea that if we had a DH, TLR would not make seven double-switches that wind up forcing the relief pitcher to bat behind Pujols in a 20-inning marathon game. We have cable television. We can watch the AL, if we so choose.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jun 21, 2010 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Bud Selig truly thought this,

interleague would have never been put on the table in the first place.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jun 21, 2010 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I always thought it was a gimmick to provide a mid-season attendance spike.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jun 21, 2010 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

There was a style of play argument,

as well as the AL fans would get to see the NL stars in their park as well. But yes, it was a money move.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jun 21, 2010 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

true, but a lot of fans don't watch or follow baseball besides their team

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 21, 2010 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

holy shit

there’s some other serious gems in there, more from the questions than anything. my fav so far:

Nick N: Would you endorse the Redbirds acquisition of Scott Podsednik? I see that he will turn age 35 next year and will be a free agent in 2011 with the Royals holding a $2MM club option with a $100K buyout but it can be voided with 525 PAs?

It seems like with the Royals out of contention, the Cardinals could benefit greatly from adding such a savvy veteran who has speed, could bat lead off and be in the mix as a legit 4th outfielder. Also, what would it likely cost us to obtain such a player, and could cash be added to sweeten the pot versus a higher touted minor league player?

SCOTT F. PODSEDNIK? yeah, we need another outfielder… good point nick n

"The outfield is deep and playing him straight-away, and the infield is the same, except first, second, third, and short are playing him to pull."
-Mike Shannon

by tehzachatak on Jun 21, 2010 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cliff Lee

Two things:
1. How is he not in the top 10 of ESPN’s AL Cy Young prediction?
2. Apparently his real name is Clifton Phifer Lee. Um…so…yeah.

blarg

by chalk on Jun 21, 2010 7:06 PM EDT reply actions  

probably because he missed some time.

IP scores you a lot of points on that thing (so do saves, which is how closers end up there)

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Jun 21, 2010 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

indeed.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jun 21, 2010 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

even better than last year

amazingly enough. he’s becoming quite the pitcher

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jun 21, 2010 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

no early-season arm slot problems this year

"He’s in his own world out there. He says he doesn’t cuss. I disagree." - Skip Schumaker on Jason Motte
Austin Wilson, please don't be a tease!

by BVHeck on Jun 21, 2010 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

same reason carp missed winning last year

injury, so fewer games/innings/numbers.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 21, 2010 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you haven't had enough World Cup

Lego Football England v. USA

"They're so stunned they didn't even boo!"
John Rooney 5/3/10 referring to Philly fans on Cards 5-run 7th inning

by gocards62 on Jun 21, 2010 7:24 PM EDT reply actions  

some chris duncan photos from red reporter

he’s playing for the nats AAA in syracuse vs. the reds AAA louisville team. it was throwback day, so the unis were baggy, but dunc seems to have slimmed down a lot. there are four pics of him, just have to scroll through (#16, 1B):

http://www.redreporter.com/2010/6/20/1527488/wood-chops-chiefs-wood-vs-mandel

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jun 21, 2010 7:52 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm not sure if he's slimmed down

or wasting away. He looks pretty thin in a couple of those shot.

The guy’s gonna have a tough time finding playing time with the big club, it looks like. He’s not even on their 40-man now.

I'm out of champagna. How about some 7-Up and Mad Dog 20/20?

by The Continental on Jun 21, 2010 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

hopefully that convinces DD that Mo wasn't out to get him

its pretty embrassing that he though CD was getting unfairly treated, yet no other team valued him highly enough to put him on their 40 man….

i like to compare this to Izzy, although Izzy sort of was getting mistreated and the scrutiny was much higher

Rasmus can hit lefties
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by stlcardsfan4 on Jun 21, 2010 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

He looks about the same.

It’s the giant helmet that’s throwing you off.

Regression, bitches.

by spants on Jun 21, 2010 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whilr I was in the authentic store,

I noticed some broken batting helmets….Yadi is a 7 3/8, Matt is a 7 5/8. Giant fooking head!

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by RiverRat on Jun 21, 2010 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

the big head must be the secret to his power

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by Yadi2Second on Jun 22, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

i wear a 7 1/4

so matt’s head is only 3/8" bigger than mine? and yadi’s 1/8"

seem bigger

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by prophetjohn on Jun 22, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

ThinkGeek told it can

no longer sell unicorn meat.

Joe Strauss could not be reached for comment.

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by The Continental on Jun 21, 2010 9:04 PM EDT reply actions  

i just tweeted this, but noticed no one had really said anything about this

matt holliday is now at 3.0 WAR according to fangraphs. this is 0.6 more WAR than albert and translates to roughly 7.0 WAR over the course of the 162 game season. this made me thing of two things:

1. STUD

2. obviously, he was hitting at least well enough to still be a good player before he broke out of his “slump.” after that though, he’s been absolutely dominant. he’s showed that he can carry a team when he’s hot, something the cardinals have been lacking outside of pujols since edmonds-rolen. if holliday hits 7.0 WAR this season, he’ll be worth every bit of that 17 million, “bad” start and all.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jun 21, 2010 9:26 PM EDT reply actions  

i think UZR is just falling over itself this year

to get some of matt’s balls. i’d take it with a grain of salt. maybe give or take a win

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by prophetjohn on Jun 21, 2010 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh, wow

yeah, just noticed that crazy UZR. but, still.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jun 21, 2010 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, still

even if we assume he is a neutral defender – while he has been around a 1 win defender (off the top of my head) throughout his career – that’s a 5 win season

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by prophetjohn on Jun 21, 2010 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's my understanding

and the +20 UZR/150 he’s showing would be over a full season, so i just knocked 2 runs off the 7 WAR you came up with

i kinda half assed it cos i’m at work and doing a lot of other stuff right now, but that should be about right

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by prophetjohn on Jun 21, 2010 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

let's say he's a 1 WAR defender on fangraphs...

and only gets a 0.1 WAR boosts from his defense for the rest of the year. that puts his current hitting numbers at 2.1 WAR which figures to be 4.9 WAR for the year + the 1 win for defense and he’s still a 6 win player.

also, i think his hitting numbers will be better in he second half. however, his defense numbers could just as easily fall back. either way, i think holliday will be somewhere around 6 wins.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jun 21, 2010 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

i hope so!

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by prophetjohn on Jun 21, 2010 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

i don't think there was much doubt about him being worth that 17 mil this year

but he’s not on a one-year contract.

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by cardball on Jun 21, 2010 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

well i'm looking at just this year

and it all honesty if he’s worth 7.0 WAR this year, he’ll be worth well more than 17 million this year, so he’ll bank some.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jun 21, 2010 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

well, i guess he could have a 7 WAR year

he’s had one before. according to b-r, his WAR in ’06 was 3.8, in ’07 was 7.3, in ’08 was 4.8, and in ’09 was 5.0, which averages to 5.2, which i think the club would be happy with. they have him currently at 2.2, which puts him on pace for 5.1, which is close enough.

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by cardball on Jun 21, 2010 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah--i'll concede this point

as i sort of missed the obviously high UZR on fangraphs. however, i still think he has potential to be worth 6 wins this year.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jun 21, 2010 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

if he has a second half like last year, don't see why not

and i wish the WAR was standardized.

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by cardball on Jun 21, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

what do you mean by standardized

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by prophetjohn on Jun 21, 2010 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

i mean fangraphs gives him one value, b-r another, etc.

so you always have to note which source you are using. i think it should be one number.

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by cardball on Jun 21, 2010 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think, on VEB at least, it's safe to assume

that it’s fWAR unless otherwise specified

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by prophetjohn on Jun 21, 2010 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

i agree with this

though i’m liking b-r’s more and more. i might have to check out some of their other stuff.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jun 21, 2010 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

statcorner has tRA WAR for pitchers

i like it because it says my favorite player is the best pitcher in baseball

i’ve always had a bit of a soft spot for t(E)RA, though

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by prophetjohn on Jun 21, 2010 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Meh

Just as we basically toss out Rasmus’ UZR, we can toss out Holliday’s.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jun 21, 2010 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

wonder if they are related

We had some awful defenders in LF last year, before the Holliday trade- aside from Ankiel, the team was -14.4 runs in LF, and Rasmus jumped off to something like +10 runs in the first month.

I’ve seen Holliday catch a lot of balls that Colby could have caught this year, so maybe he’s stealing some of the cheap UZR by shading the gap a bit?

Actually, come to think of it, Luddy (who’s at 2.6 WAR already) could be taking some from the other gap, as well. I really wish UZR was less black-box-ish so we could see where the numbers come from.

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by SleepyCA on Jun 21, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

tim (greenfieldt) mentioned this on saturday

basically theorizing how outfielders calling each other off figures into their UZR rating.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jun 21, 2010 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

and once players start to figure out that

being the one to catch a can of corn affects their perceived “value”, IE, pocketbook, they’ll start fighting each other for easy fly balls ;)

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by SleepyCA on Jun 21, 2010 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

it would be hilarious if

colby came sprinting in on high popups behind home plate and called off yadi, for the sake of thisheredingdangoleuzrmakinfolkstalkbadboutmycatchinskills

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by BVHeck on Jun 21, 2010 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I really hope so

really really really

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by Dttl89 on Jun 22, 2010 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

some more supporting evidence

per a main post by vivaelpujols, Colby was at a +11.6 UZR on June 11th of last year. link

He finished at +10.2 runs, so between 11 Jun and end of season he measured worse than average.

Interesting, in that thread I linked to above, I actually posted about this very same subject.

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by SleepyCA on Jun 21, 2010 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

hmm...

you have made a decent point. it also brings up a point of holliday’s positioning. could he possibly get to more balls down the line that he currently isn’t getting to because he’s shading too far into the gap?

by stlcardinalsfang on Jun 21, 2010 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

MGL has pretty much said that the overlap is almost non-existent

It certainly isn’t to the tune of 15 runs over the course of 1/3 of a season.

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by joker24 on Jun 22, 2010 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

This

(insightful I know)

Reminds me of the Granderson/Gardner CF/LF problem.

by all4tookie on Jun 22, 2010 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

what's that problem?

haven’t heard anything about it.

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by cardball on Jun 22, 2010 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

it's old..

beginning of the year. there was a debate over which combination of granderson/gardner would be optimal – turns out the overlap vs. the line doesn’t make a tangible difference that we can yet measure.

Sorry I don’t have the source. Fangraphs or The Book blog though.

by all4tookie on Jun 22, 2010 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

here's the thread (probably)

link.

What MGL actually said was (#34) "I don’t think it will make much difference, at least the way that I do it, but I am not sure. " From that, at best you can say “MGL made an educated guess that…” unless he went on to show his work somewhere else.

Anyway, 5 runs of the difference with Colby is arm, and there’s another run or so of “error” (IIRC- fangraphs is down, so I’m going from memory). Anyway, assuming that’s true, we’re talking 9 runs over about 150 games. That’s what, 10-15 extra catches, over 140 games? well within the realm of possibility, if you’re swapping Matt Holliday in for Chris Duncan/Nick Stavinoha.

As far as measuring it- it might not make a difference to the team, but I would be shocked if it didn’t make a difference to the relative value of the individual players.

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by SleepyCA on Jun 22, 2010 1:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

and I'm not saying it is the ONLY factor

just that it MAY have a measurable effect. There’s definitely an shift in the data distribution, and while it could be any number of things (including random variance), completely ignoring a clearly observable phenomenon because some guy (even a smart guy like MGL), states without proof that he doesn’t think it has an effect is pretty bad science.

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by SleepyCA on Jun 22, 2010 1:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

UZR isn't really black boxish

It’s just the inside of the box is too large to display. UZR is just going to make different zones and count total outs above average in each zone. With that information it should be pretty easy to tell if someone is getting “lucky”

by vivaelpujols on Jun 24, 2010 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

oakland just tied cincy 1-1 after 5

could have had more, maybe, but barton overslid third and got nabbed by rolen to end the inning. had rolen gotten the tag down on the pick-off of davis at third just before the hit that would have ended the inning, so i guess a’s were a little fortunate to score.

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by cardball on Jun 21, 2010 11:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Draft week signings

Have we signed any of our draftees yet? And is there a link to an updated site for this?

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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jun 22, 2010 12:05 AM EDT reply actions  

There's a blurb in one of the front page post from

Dan the other day, I think 35 have signed, last heard.

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by RiverRat on Jun 22, 2010 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Here you are.

I'm out of champagna. How about some 7-Up and Mad Dog 20/20?

by The Continental on Jun 22, 2010 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks.

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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jun 22, 2010 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

top of the 9th stubbs steals second and bruce ph's him in, reds up 2-1 (off bailey)

bottom 9, kouz hits first pitch from closer for homer to tie it, 2-2.
top ten, reds still batting. hernandez hit first pitch for homer off wuertz, and now votto has added a two-run shot and rolen followed with another dinger, and now nix just put one off wall that they gave 3-base error to davis on.

a’s announcers said the reds hit 10 balls in seattle that would have been homers in cincy, by way of explaining their lack of scoring.

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by cardball on Jun 22, 2010 12:55 AM EDT reply actions  

a's tried a comeback

cut it to 6-4 in the bottom 10 with cust the tying run at the plate, full-count, k

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by cardball on Jun 22, 2010 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rick Porcello demoted

and I still don’t feel any better about it…

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by Dttl89 on Jun 22, 2010 1:05 AM EDT reply actions  

well, it's the year of the rookie

and he’s not. tigers do have a good looking rookie, saw him play a couple times – boesch, something like that. big strong athletic outfielder – don’t know how old he is, but looking as good as heyward and stanton, both of whom are only 20 though.

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by cardball on Jun 22, 2010 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

I saw him earlier this year

and he didn;t do much, but he’s had a good season…could be at least partially to him being a 25 year old rookie

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by Dttl89 on Jun 22, 2010 1:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

ok, i figured he was older than the others

especially since i didn’t hear anything about him, phenom-wise, prior to his arrival in the bigs.

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by cardball on Jun 22, 2010 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

He was a 3rd rounder

In 06. High babip and hr/fly

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by Dttl89 on Jun 22, 2010 2:17 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

wow, i looked up his stats on b-r

they looked a bit like colby’s profile, so i compared a few numbers (colby’s listed first):

ISO: .276 to .280
LD%: 20 to 20
HR/FB%: 15.5 to 15.4
OPS: .930 to 1.001
WAR: 1.6 to 2.7
BB%: 13.8 to 6.8
K%: 28 to 19.5
BABIP: .347 to .380
BA: .276 to .337
colby has 13 hr’s and 34 rbi’s in 239 PA’s and boesch has 10 hr’s and 36 rbi’s in 190 PA’s (i suspect he was called up at some point, or maybe just not a regular to start the season – first time i saw him play was a fox saturday vs. the dodgers and i’ve only seen him one other time, tbh, against pitt, and had no idea he had these numbers, but he looked good, full of potential, like a keeper. maybe it’s just because he was playing right field and bats lefty but he kind of reminded me of larry walker, although i don’t recall any challenging plays he had to make in the field, so i don’t know how he rates defensively, but he runs well, not a lumberer like most big guys, like dunc)

so his numbers look much like colby’s until we get to the BB%. colby walks twice as much, but also strikes out considerably more. so boesch puts a lot more balls in play, and it appears may hit for a higher average than colby – if we adjust boesch’s BABIP to match colby’s, he would still be hitting .304 to colby’s .276. i’d think unless he falls off a cliff boesch has a genuine shot at the all-star game, and certainly ROY – can’t think of any other AL candidates right now.

also, discovered he went to cal, meaning he played there with craig. that’s a decent 1-2 punch, like walrus and ike davis at asu.

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by cardball on Jun 22, 2010 4:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

did no one watch the D-backs kill the Yankees and wipe them off their shoes?

I was hoping to log in and find eels.

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by Yadi2Second on Jun 22, 2010 10:33 AM EDT reply actions  

Aj Burnett happened :P.

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by Taskmaster on Jun 22, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

combination with Posada

I have never seen a catcher get into so many catfights with his pitchers.

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by Yadi2Second on Jun 22, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's really weird.

Wonder why they didn’t put Cervelli in.

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by Taskmaster on Jun 22, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, i thought they had a problem last year

and burnett’s catcher was whoever the backup was?

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by cardball on Jun 22, 2010 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Burnett used Jose Molina last year?

And was very good with him actually. I don’t think they have really solved any problems if these starts keep happening, especially against the K-happy D-backs and their free-swinging ways.

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by Taskmaster on Jun 22, 2010 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

so we get to face brett cecil tonite

in the 2007 draft the cards took kozma over porcello, as everyone knows. in the supplemental we took mortensen, and a couple picks later the jays took cecil, a pretty good 23 yr-old lefty in his second year as a big-league starter.

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by cardball on Jun 22, 2010 11:11 AM EDT reply actions  

i have cecil and JAIME on my fantasy team

is it okay if i hope for a 1-1 game through 7 and then toronto’s bullpen blows it while JAIME is still the pitcher of record? (and that the 1 run comes from Colby’s HR)

it would be a miracle if i could make this matchup work.

/ngafamft

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by IHeartBoog on Jun 22, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

the battle of 23-yr old lefties

sounds like a good matchup. toronto hits a hell of a lot of homers, so i hope colby and some of his buddies are in the mood for dingers.

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by cardball on Jun 22, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

i wonder if i should bench him

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by prophetjohn on Jun 22, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

is toronto considered a hitter's park?

i know they’ve been racking up dingers. our offense seems to like hitters parks – not so much LA or san fran, but arizona and cincy are fine. so i’m wondering how toronto rates as the last of the totally indoors.

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by cardball on Jun 22, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

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