Takers and Leavers
It's still very, very early in the season; early enough, in fact, that nearly every team not only feels like they're right there in the race, they're actually right in thinking so. Thanks in large part to the wild card system, even teams struggling to maintain visibility with the top of the division have a potential road to the playoffs to consider.
All that being said, we're seeing currently in the Seattle Mariners a team not in it, who knows they aren't in it. Or at least, I should say, a team which should know they're not in it. I suppose it's possible they haven't realised their season is pretty much over yet; the same sort of delusion preventing the Houston Astros from recognising the need to rebuild has to exist somewhere other than Drayton McLane's office.
It's still early, sure, but not so early we can't look around and see who's in it, who's out, and begin trying to determine who may be buying and who may be selling.
I think it's fairly safe to say the New York Yankees will always be buyers, regardless of the standings. Ditto the Red Sox, though that's not quite as sure a thing. Thus, we'll just avoid each of those teams. With that caveat, I think there are about five teams we can safely say are going to be buying as we move toward July and trading season, and only about three I feel good counting out and putting in the sellers column.
Buyers
St. Louis Cardinals -- Since this is a Cardinal blog, I figured we may as well begin here. The Cards currently find themselves in a dogfight atop the NL Central with the Cincinnati Reds, and it doesn't look as if either team is going to go away all that soon. That said, the Cards are still very much one of the top teams in the National League; they've underperformed their Pythagorean record and have the best record in the NL looking at third-order wins. Put simply, the Cards are most definitely in, and they'll be looking to improve the team as the summer goes on.
Needs -- The Cards' middle infield has been absolutely dreadful, even with Felipe Lopez providing solid offense on a nightly basis. The braintrust seems to still have faith in both Brendan Ryan and Skip Schumaker, but I wonder if that would preclude the acquisition of an upgrade in the middle of the diamond. (And no, Aaron Miles does not count as an upgrade.) The timetables on both Brad Penny and Kyle Lohse remain hazy; another starter could be a definite possiblity. The emergence of Jason Motte has made the back end of the bullpen much stronger, and relief help now looks like a much lower priority.
The problem, of course, is that the Cards used up most of their ammo for trading last summer; any upgrades they do make will be marginal at best, considering the dearth of tradeable assets.
Philadelphia Phillies -- The Phillies have struggled lately in a big way, and look much more vulnerable this season than they have the last couple. The offense isn't quite what it was, and they're fighting it out with the rest of the NL East rather than simply dominating.
Needs -- Another starting pitcher, though with J.A. Happ hopefully returning soon from injury that may be less of a need. The back end of the bullpen has been unsettled, and if the Phils plan on returning to the fall classic for a third consecutive season they may need to find some help in closing out games.
Minnesota Twins -- We expected the Twins to run and hide from their division, which hasn't really happened, but they're still clearly the most complete team in the AL Central.
Needs -- Jon Rauch has done an admirable job filling in for the injured Joe Nathan, but I still see the Twins looking for a big arm to help out late in games.
Tampa Bay Rays -- Possibly the best team in baseball (okay, probably the best team in baseball), the Rays don't have many holes, and the few they have are closer to chinks in their armour than actual holes to be filled. Still, if the Rays are serious about taking a shot this year (and why wouldn't they be?), they may want to bolster their roster somehow.
Needs -- Honestly, they don't have many. Rafael Soriano has done an outstanding job closing out games, making relief help less of a priority than for most of the other teams on this list. The lead-in to Soriano has been less stout, and there could be a need there. Beyond that, not much, as even their bench has a guy like Reid Brignac on it, whom I would take over any of our middle infielders every day of the week. The outfield has been fine, but if there's a Larry Walker out there to be had, the Rays just might be able to find room for him.
Colorado Rockies -- The Rockies are the best team on paper top to bottom in the NL West, but haven't quite lived up to expectations yet. Still, with the Dodgers uncertain finances, the Padres' likely inaction on the trade market and the Giants' tenuous position at the contender's table, the Rockies appear to me the best bet out there to try and upgrade their team to make a run at the division. There's also a bit of a pride component here as well; I think the Rockies feel they should be contending, and so will be more likely to try for an upgrade than a team which simply finds itself in the hunt.
Needs -- As bizarre as it sounds to say, Colorado could really use some help on offense. Todd Helton hasn't hit this season, and Dexter Fowler is going through some definite growing pains. (Of course, why Fowler is getting so many at-bats while Carlos Gonzalez is around is a good question, but hey.) Their bench is very strong, but a real offensive force to stick in the middle of their lineup would be huge. They also could use bullpen help (notice a pattern among the contenders?), as Huston Street's iffy health has created a hole late in games. Manny Corpas has been solid, but he's tough to trust. The Rockies could also use another starter; Aaron Cook has been awful and Jorge de la Rosa hasn't been healthy.
Sellers
Seattle Mariners -- Hey, why not start with the guys we're seeing right now, eh? The Mariners came into the season the hot pick for many people to win the AL West, but haven't come anywhere near that level of performance. (I thought they would be good, and can't quite figure out what went so wrong.) With three strong teams in their division, the M's are quickly becoming irrelevant.
Assets -- Cliff Lee is the big one, and I can't imagine he'll be in Seattle much longer. Beyond that, there's not a ton on the M's roster they would be willing to move that other teams would be all that interested in.
Arizona Diamondbacks -- The DBacks are hugely disappointing this season as well, and like Seattle came into the year as a trendy pick to contend. Unlike Seattle, though, Arizona has a fair number of usable parts they could move. They've already started dismantling, sending Conor Jackson out the door.
Assets -- You have to think Dan Haren is available, though he won't come cheap. Hell, pretty much anything not nailed down is probably available, as there are several players on the DBacks who will shortly begin to see more money. Stephen Drew and Kelly Johnson could both represent significant upgrades for teams, but both will cost the acquiring team a serious haul of talent. (Drew more than Johnson, of course.) The bullpen has virtually no assets, as it's been the biggest factor in knocking Arizona out of contention.
Chicago White Sox -- Now, this one is a little less sure, largely because they play in a weak division, but even more so because Kenny Williams, the White Sox GM, is at least a little bit insane. Still, it should be clear the White Sox aren't a very good team this season, and they're not likely to climb back into contention very soon.
Assets -- Bobby Jenks is a solid closer, and with the number of teams who need bullpen help he could find his way on to the block. Carlos Quentin has been shockingly awful in 2010, but was a legitimate offensive force in the recent past, and there may be teams who look at him as a change-of-scenery bat. Given Mark Buerhle's looming free agency, I wonder if Williams might not want to try and get at least some sort of value for the veteran lefty.
There are plenty of other teams at least close to be sellers, including both the Indians and Royals who sit below the White Sox in the standings. However, both of those teams are building for the future and may not have much in the way of talent they're willing to move, and what they would be willing to move not many other teams want. Same goes for teams like the Orioles.
The Baron's playlist for the 16th of June, 2010 -- Britzapoppin'
"End of the Century" - Blur
"Trash" - Suede
"Common People" - Pulp
"Sleeping In" - Menswear
"Alright" - Supergrass
"Here Comes a Soul Saver" - The Charlatans
"Obscurity Knocks" - Trashcan Sinatras
"Car Song" - Elastica
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David Aardsma for the Mariners, possibly
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
aw man
now no one is gonna see my awesome photoshop skills
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
By the way:
WHY THE FUCK IS JONAH HILL PLAYING PAUL DEPODESTA IN THE MONEYBALL MOVIE?!
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
I don't know.
But, if it makes you feel any better, Jonah Hill has said he won’t ruin the “Moneyball” movie. (As an aside, I think VEB had this discussion during th offseason.)
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Oh, I'm sure it was nexdef'd
But still. It’s turrible
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
speaking of penny/lohse
what are the odds lohse makes it back first? he’s already throwing and penny’s been setback
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
That sounds like a question for hazel.
I learned long ago not to make any sort of predictions about Cardinals returning from injury.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
A quibble baron
“The problem, of course, is that the Cards used up most of their ammo for trading last summer; any upgrades they do make will be marginal at best, considering the dearth of tradeable assets. "
Any trade is a function of both the players’ ability offered by both side of the table but, also, the salary of said players. The Cards can upgrade even though they lack premo prospects in AA or AAA by taking on salary. Will management take on salary to shore up middle infield? It will be interesting to see how it plays out. I suspect they hope one of Ryan or Skip rights his ship for the remainder of the season and Lopez allowing them to play Lopez at the other position. I’d rather we took a run at Stephen Drew. Drew / Lopez on a nightly basis would be a substantial upgrade over the Ryan / Skip / Lopez triumvirate.
Given the rocky relationship TLR had with JD Drew
Is Stephen Drew someone that we would even ask about? Trade requirements aside.
You know. Was there an “F You and your family” moment between the two?
"F You and your family" moment between the two?
No, I did not know it got that bad. Interesting. I remember seeing Stephen Drew take BP at Busch II as a high schooler.
I don't disagree with your assessment as to the considerations when trading.
Stephen Drew, then, who is making $3.4MM this year, being both talented and cost-controlled, has a tremendously high value. He plays a premium position. A club would have to provide a king’s ransom to pry him away from the Diamondbacks. I don’t believe that we have the talent to get such a deal done.
It remains to be seen if ownership has the stomach to add a high salary to the payroll, but it seems that such a move would have to be made only for a player who will see his contract expire after 2011 because any (hopefully forthcoming) Pujols extension will kick in with the 2012 season.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
We do have the talent
to acquire Stephen Drew. Whether we would be willing to part with it and take on the additional salary may be another question for this particular player is another question. He has two more arbitration years left after 2010 and, with Boras as his agent, you can kiss him goodbye after that. We’ll see what Arizona gets for Stephen Drew.
Stephen Drew likely costs Shelby Miller
that’s a move I’d probably be OK with, considering Drew’s above average and I don’t think we have anyone else who grades out that good in the MIF (and if Boog recovers his stroke next year we could move Drew to 2B and have the best defensive middle infield in the majors), but it’s a significant “cost” to our future chances of fielding a cheap team and keeping Albert.
I think he’s still got one year of arby left after this one, so we’d have to be pretty sure we could extend him for a fair price, too.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jun 17, 2010 5:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Sooooooooo South Africa's goalie just got a red card
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
NOGAFAS
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 16, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
igafajd, bidgafas
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
igafabjdas, sygcsi
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
by mysterui on Jun 16, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Question:
What is more difficult, pinch-hitting, or, having to enter a World Cup match as a goalkeeper to defend against a penalty kick after the first string goalkeeper gets sent off with a red card?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
How I would have worded the question:
Didn’t TLR force Joe Thurston to do that once?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
you had it right
all you have to do is guess a side and dive. 50/50 chance they kick it your way…
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
That's a big simplistic, don't you think?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
when you boil everything down, life really is simple
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
I played goalie in 2nd grade...
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
It's the World Cup!
If the question was “pinch hit in the bottom of the 9th during the WS” vs. “stop a PK during the World Cup” I would pick pinch hitting.
Regression, bitches.
loved it

"He’s in his own world out there. He says he doesn’t cuss. I disagree." - Skip Schumaker on Jason Motte
Austin Wilson, please don't be a tease!
what's that?
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by Felonius_Monk on Jun 17, 2010 5:46 AM EDT up reply actions
there is absolutely no skill involved with stopping a pk...its all luck
its an interesting question though…i think i would have a better chance of stopping a pk than i would getting a basehit, but if you hypothetically say i have the skills to be a pinch hitter and be a keeper, i’d say stopping a pk is much harder, because its all about which way you dive
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
there is absolutely a lot of skill.
there is just also a lot of guesswork. i think that’s what you meant.
"The outfield is deep and playing him straight-away, and the infield is the same, except first, second, third, and short are playing him to pull."
-Mike Shannon
any skill involved with stopping a pk is totally dependent on guessing correctly
so, as far as i’m concerened, stopping a pk is all skill…now there is a lot of other jobs a keeper does during a game that require skill, but pks are the most one-sided event in sports
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
error
meant to say stopping a pk is all luck
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
So you think if you were a goalkeeper
you’d be just as good as stopping penalties as iker casillas?
blarg
no
i think i’d move the correct way just as often
and if i was a pinch hitter, i think i’d come closer to making contact than if i were a goalkeeper
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
So why are some keepers MUCH better at stopping penalties than others?
sample size effects?
I’m not sure I agree at all.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jun 17, 2010 5:47 AM EDT up reply actions
more athletic?
could it be how quickly you can get to the corner when you happened to guess correctly 50% of the time? and i suppose length could also factor in, as in reach. i assume the goalie is picking a side and waiting as long as possible to move – right before the ball is kicked – so as to not give it away, and not reacting to the ball actually being kicked, but i know nothing about that. either way, though, i suppose i wouldn’t classify athleticism and length as a skill.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Well, "attribute" maybe, rather than skill
I wouldn’t completely exclude the possibility that it’s sampling errors, to some extent, as keepers in general face very few pens and the success rate of saving them is low (so one or two saves in a season can really skew their stats) but I think, at least to me, it’s pretty clear some keepers are much better at stopping penalties than others.
I think a lot of it is technique/skill-based as well. There is some skill in reading a taker’s run-up and there are also clearly some goalkeepers with better reactions than others, which will clearly play into penalty saving success more than just about any other facet of the game. Some may be more athletic, and some may be better at stopping shots with their legs (which happens in a LOT of penalty saves, when the penalty is pretty straight and the keeper has dived “past” it).
Lastly, there’s clearly a coaching/prep aspect which may be partly team-related but has to be a somewhat individual thing as well – the goalkeepers who have studied specific penalty takes may have picked something up in their mannerisms that leads to being better able to read the kick, or indeed something as simple as “player A takes 60% of his kicks to the right-hand side”. I’d say that aspect is not evenly distributed between goalkeepers and teams, either.
So, I’d say a lot of it is luck, but a significant proportion of stopping penalties is skill.
I’m sure you could uncover some interesting statistical stuff with a thorough evaluation over a large enough sample size, although to be honest I’m not sure if that’s been done. Football tends to lag behind other sports in those sort of areas, oddly, given the large amount of money in it, and the only things I could really find were: http://www.penaltyshootouts.co.uk/research.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/football-penalties—science-is-on-the-spot-1972678.html
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by Felonius_Monk on Jun 17, 2010 8:15 AM EDT up reply actions
that was interesting
didn’t know that, in general, the best kicker goes first. seems that’d be akin to pitching your closer in low leverage situations and your mop-up man in high – any hockey fans, do they also do it this way on shootouts, send your best guy first rather than last (or near-last, depending on what has transpired)?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
One factor: no one would expect you to stop the penalty kick
Even if you were the regular goalkeeper, you wouldn’t be expected to stop the kick.
Barring a spectacular save, a failed penalty kick is generally viewed as a failure of the kicker rather than success of the goalie.
I don't think it matters whether you've been on for 90 minutes or 1 re: saving penalties
(I’m a GK btw!). Also, against THAT penalty, two goalkeepers wouldn’t have kept it out!
Someone made an interesting point the other day on the radio that no-one has seemingly ever tried – as every team HAS to have 3 stipulated GKs in the squad for the world cup, effectively the #3 guy is never going to play. Why not, therefore, have him do NOTHING in training for the month or so that the squad is together except saving penalties? Just take 1000’s of pens at the guy, and have him study video of other teams’ main penalty takers. Then, if you get to a penalty shootout in the knockout stages and you’ve got a substitute left, bring him on with a minute to go as a “specialist” pen stopper. This would be particularly good with keepers who are already good penalty stoppers – Pepe Reina of Spain is a good example (though he’s apparently actually their #2 GK).
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by Felonius_Monk on Jun 17, 2010 5:40 AM EDT up reply actions
out of those teams
I think the only players I’d be interested in are Kelly Johnson and Bobby Jenks, but both would probably cost too much in a trade.
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 16, 2010 4:13 PM EDT reply actions
I dunno
Duncan pixie dust might work on him
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 16, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess it also depends on if both Penny and Lohse will be back in the next month or so
if one of the two doesn’t make it back, I guess we need another starter unless Ottavino or another rookie steps up. the chances of that happening seem pretty slim to me, since we already have Garcia stepping up.
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 16, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
it depends on what they want for him I guess
I’d hate to overpay for that guy
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 16, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
he's making 14 mil this year
I dunno what the Sox’ payroll looks like, but I wonder what the odds are on Mo convincing Williams to eat at least some of Buehrle’s salary….
His stats look ok this year, other than his K/9 is down. Anyway, Buehrle isn’t likely to go to the Cards, but it’d be fun to have another local guy on the team.
I agree I would like this to be the time to get him.
But, then again I am not writing the 14 mil check.
I'm really not high on Buehrle for the salary he's making
you can get equivalent marginally above-average pitchers on the FA market these days for <$10m, and he’s making something like $14m this year.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jun 17, 2010 5:48 AM EDT up reply actions
or we could roll with Suppan
but I’d rather put him back into a bullpen role if both of those guys make it back relatively soon (and dfa him if he sucks)
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 16, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I dunno about Johnson.
Wasn’t he sort of in the middle of that Carp scrap in April? Carp might luggage him as soon as he showed up.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 16, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
that was drew covering second, not johnson
and carp has already admitted he was wrong – now, as dunc might say, whether he meant it or not is open for debate (but i’m pretty sure he did – he was pissed, but once he calmed down he knew it was kind of bush league)
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
If the WHite Sawks Fire Sale Happens....
…I bet we cud get Mark Buerhle relatively inexpensively – sayyyyy, maybe a combo of PJ Walters and Allen Craig Craig Alan Allen etc for Buerhle and a toss-in.
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
We've covered Buehrle before,
and came to the conlusion that he would have to restructure his deal. If traded, his contract stipulates that the option year that is 2012 becomes guaranteed for $15MM. This on top of the $14MM salary in 2011 and the pro-rated share of his $14MM salary in 2010. There is reason to be hesitant about taking on a pitcher of his age with that much salary owed him through 2012.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
especially when his peripherals look to be dropping off
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by Felonius_Monk on Jun 17, 2010 5:51 AM EDT up reply actions
No way I would give up Craig for Buehrle
Craig has some value and Buehrle, on his current deal, has negative value. I’d give them a throw in but they’d probably have to eat a few million of his salary both this year and next.
Or you could just sign whoever next year’s Brad Penny/Brett Myers/Carl Pavano/whoever inexpensive average pitcher is on the FA market for about half Buehrle’s salary.
If we’re taking on a big salary pitcher in a salary-dump-type move, I’d much rather get Oswalt.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jun 17, 2010 5:51 AM EDT up reply actions
if the d-backs are going to be sellers, they should consider giving up haren, but not drew or johnson IMO
those guys are both relatively young and relatively cheap. i think those are the guys you want to build around.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
Johnson's only a one year, isn't he?
he’s gone next year regardless.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jun 17, 2010 5:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Question For RB
With all the talk of next year’s draft class being really good, do you think teams are more likely to trade prospects for a potential Class A rental for whom they can get some early picks?
so who do we have left to sign from the draft?
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 16, 2010 4:47 PM EDT reply actions
thnx
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 16, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
That's one more since the first announcement
Don’t know who was #34 to sign, maybe out 10th rounder?
Anyway, three of the remaining top 10 round picks are playing in the College World Series and so for sure won’t sign ‘til that’s over. I keep hearing that Arkansas is convinced Cox is leaving/signing. Austin Wilson, right now, is probably the least likely to sign (of course, I guess he always was, wasn’t he?).
by ArkansasTravs on Jun 18, 2010 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions
I know the guys from the first two rounds for sure, and then Austin Wilson in the 12th
Other than that, I’m not really sure
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
so no big news yet...
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 16, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm having a hard time imagining the Cards spending much this summer
they just absorbed the Holliday signing, Pujols is on the horizon, they have to figure out what to do with Ludwick, etc etc. Barring further injuries (knock on wood), I think they’re going to try to stand pat.
They only reach for a pitcher outside the org if they think they can’t get 4th & 5th starter innings out of Suppan + Memphis for a large chunk of the remaining season and they think Penny & Lohse will miss a lot of the remaining season as well.
The only other obvious weakness is 2nd base, but I don’t see an obvious way for the Cards to trade for improvement there. I suspect we’re going to have to hope that one of Lopez or Schumaker starts to hit.
I do think, however, that they have left themselves at least some degree of wiggle room in case of emergency before the deadline. I also think DeWitt’s smart enough to know what “win-now mode” means. If somebody makes an offer to Mo that knocks his socks off, DeWitt seems to me to be in a position to get behind it.
That, and Cincy’s due to regress like a motherfucker at some point. OPTIMISM, BITCHES.
yeah.
the only other thing i see them trading for is another bullpen piece if something pops up, just so we can get rid of Hawk and put a good arm in the last spot. but i don’t see that happening, and frankly i’m not upset about it.
i’m just hoping we can resign Ludwick, somehow.
"The outfield is deep and playing him straight-away, and the infield is the same, except first, second, third, and short are playing him to pull."
-Mike Shannon
Ludwick's under control for one more year isn't he
it’ll probably cost $8m or so but that’s a fair price I think.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jun 17, 2010 5:53 AM EDT up reply actions
I really don't think we'll do anything
and there’s not that much that would significantly upgrade the team. they just need to play better ball
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 16, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
yes
only marginal improvements are available, and really all they need is to get at least one of Lohse or Penny back, and for Holliday to go on a tear and they’ll look like a juggernaut again.
yup
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 17, 2010 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I think another pitcher would help
I’d like Brett Myers if we can get him without giving up Shelby Miller. Astros have holes everywhere and a horrible farm system so I’m sure there’s lots of opportunity to make a deal.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jun 17, 2010 5:56 AM EDT up reply actions
brett myers? really?
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 17, 2010 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions
via BJRains
2B Lopez
LF Holliday
1B Pujols
RF Ludwick
3B Freese
CF Rasmus
C Molina
P Garcia
SS Ryan
i love this lineup.
"The outfield is deep and playing him straight-away, and the infield is the same, except first, second, third, and short are playing him to pull."
-Mike Shannon
by tehzachatak on Jun 16, 2010 5:01 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Very nice.
Hopefully it can put up a serious number.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
woooooooo!
*now with more veterany veteranness and a higher grit factor
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 16, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
mariners
ichiro RF
figgins 2B
bradley LF
lopez 3B
josh wilson SS
langerhans 1B
alfonso C
saunders CF
j. vargas P
Albert's grand slam, 7/3/09
@zoomzoomj88
Boog's stache is back!
Seriously. The Mariners offense is REALLY bad
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
yeah.
you’ve got 2 very good hitters.. and you have Ryan Langerhans starting at 1B.
"The outfield is deep and playing him straight-away, and the infield is the same, except first, second, third, and short are playing him to pull."
-Mike Shannon
Better than Kotchman
who started the last two games at 1B
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
thing of beauty
I’m loving the Lego 2nd/Thudwick 4th sequencing. Seems like those roles are playing to both of those guys’ respective strengths.
HFS
™
Since when does LaRussa put a quality lineup out three days in a row? This is insanity.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
Best. Lineup. Ever.
We are so spoiled having Rasmus hitting 6th.
Let’s just not talk about the massive drop-off the B-team is and we will stay sane.
"If I'm in a slump, I ask myself for advice" - Ichiro
is Yadi ever going to get a day off?
"They're so stunned they didn't even boo!"
John Rooney 5/3/10 referring to Philly fans on Cards 5-run 7th inning
Not as down on MIF
AVG BB/K BABIP wOBA
BR
Mar/Apr .179 0.47 0.250 .232
May .217 0.56 0.240 .280
Jun .297 0.60 0.323 .367
Skip
Mar/Apr .212 0.91 0.233 .272
May .271 0.60 0.313 .297
Jun .225 0.25 0.273 .229
So BR is trending up. Skip has taken a step backwards recently but has the longer track record of wOBA 0.329 and SLG 0.386. MIF is such a pricey place to upgrade, so I wonder if focus should be elsewhere?
born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red
I wonder what the record for most middle infielders on a team is...
Cardinals Baseball 2010: Why have only one 25th man when you can have four?
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Jun 16, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Miles doesn't count.
Well, on the roster he does, but it’s just like Mo wrote “Pass” or something in the last spot on the roster list when he handed it in.
This passes the eye test, too.
And Tony clearly knows it… notice BRyan getting the increased starts, and Skip being pinch-hit for last night in the middle of the game. Skip just isn’t coming around like he should. He needs to shake things up.
Boog is back to his old self (hopefully for the rest of the season).
Lopez as our 2B w/ a Boog hitting .270 with some doubles and I don’t see a need for a MIF upgrade. It’s not going to be our strong point, but with how strong we are at every other position, mediocrity at MIF works.
"If I'm in a slump, I ask myself for advice" - Ichiro
he's hitting .297 for the month of june. i think boog is on his way back.
and he looks much better at the plate, just more comfortable. i don’t think he will finish the year at .290 like last year, but i agree that if he’s playing a good SS, .270 with some doubles is all we need from him.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
Is the team hitting an unusual number of doubles this year?
"When you play with the Cubs, it's like playing with heavy shoes on. I had to be de-Cubbed." - Pete LaCock
we're third in the league with 127
behind the dbacks (139) and the dodgers (129).
last year we finished 7th in the NL – the year before that, 11th.
so its more than we’re used to, i suppose.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
The sooner Tony starts playing Lopez every day, the better
We can handle Boog not hitting thanks to his glove, but Schu with no bat is such a drain on this team. Ryan and Lopez need to be starting, every day. Relegate Skip to PH and 5th outfielder duties.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 17, 2010 5:58 AM EDT up reply actions
if we make any moves, i think it will be to add a pitcher
that way we can push one of our 7 starters to the bullpen to take over for hawksworth, who i don’t trust as far as i can throw him
we should just sign zach cox and have him play second base right away, he can’t be much worse than skip has been this season
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
I don't recall much Smoltzie talk lately
Wouldn’t Smoltz be a good fit? Did he officially retire or something? I thought he still had his options open despite the broadcasting gig.
born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red
last i heard
he hadn’t thrown a ball since before spring training…even if we signed him today, he probably wouldn’t be ready till august…which i guess would be ok…though putting our hopes on a 42 year old with a multiple injury history scares me
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
or we can just use FLopex
"The outfield is deep and playing him straight-away, and the infield is the same, except first, second, third, and short are playing him to pull."
-Mike Shannon
when is gametime tonight?
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
8:15 Eastern, so 7:15 in StL and 5:15 on the west coast... don't know where you live
"The outfield is deep and playing him straight-away, and the infield is the same, except first, second, third, and short are playing him to pull."
-Mike Shannon
Nice playlist.
"When you play with the Cubs, it's like playing with heavy shoes on. I had to be de-Cubbed." - Pete LaCock
nothing like that line delivered by shatner in his cover of the song
after all, he’s a rocket man
a rock it……….man
And I'm gonna be.....
HIGH…..
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 17, 2010 5:59 AM EDT up reply actions
OT: Utah bolting the MWC for the Pac-10
Boise State gets SCREWED here. i feel really bad for them.. they just bailed on the WAC to make the MWC a power conference, and now the other marquee team leaves. guess i shouldn’t have expected any less.
"The outfield is deep and playing him straight-away, and the infield is the same, except first, second, third, and short are playing him to pull."
-Mike Shannon
PAC 10 WHAT WHAT
We don’t need no stinkin’ Texas
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
yeah you guys dodged a bullet there...
i wouldn’t want texas in my conference, honestly, they’re just going to try to push everyone else around.
"The outfield is deep and playing him straight-away, and the infield is the same, except first, second, third, and short are playing him to pull."
-Mike Shannon
I give the Big 12 lite 3 years, max
It’s a lame duck conference
by jd is legend on Jun 16, 2010 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions
As soon as Texas gets their network up and running they'll want to get a king's ransom or just go independent
Or ND finally decides that a conference would be good for FB and the Big10 12 goes to 16.
Not afraid to nitpick
I would hope that if Texas wants to go to any other conference after this latest episode
that every conference would tell them to go fuck themselves
by jd is legend on Jun 16, 2010 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions
completely agree
I wish Mizzou could be so fortunate as to tell them that right now.
It will be interesting to see what the Big 10 does down the road. Unless they did Mizzou dirty somehow, I am pretty sure the interest is still there. Certainly everyone outside the athletic department would be in favor and probably most of the AD except football, due to the Texas recruiting pipeline.
I don’t look forward to trading a cream puff, Nebraska, and Colorado for playing the entire south division every year. Texas probably has a special deal for Mizzou that we have to go to Austin every year…
Carry the battle to them. Don't let them bring it to you. Put them on the defensive and don't ever apologize for anything.
I'm interested
as to how the Big Ten will change it’s logo, since the current one incorporates an ‘11’

(either side of the T)
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
That's what I've been thinking all along.
It makes sense.
by jackhammerslam on Jun 16, 2010 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Too much sense actually.
So they probably won’t do it then.
by jackhammerslam on Jun 16, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions
network and what not
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
C'mon
Can’t you imagine the commercial, they show that goofy Big 10 logo with the fucking 11 in the middle of it and then in an elaborate Michael Bay inspired explosion, the only thing left standing is a shiny new ENORMOUS 12 logo. They get to call their network E12 and can market themselves as being sexy and powerful……even though they only added a sports football program that hasn’t really done jack since 2001 in a state whose population doesn’t quite reach the metro area of St. Louis.
(and in the small print there’s a consumer warning that they hold the option to convert to the ENORMOUS 16 waiting on ND)
I’m not bitter at all.
Not afraid to nitpick
haha...I was hoping they would still add Missouri
I like what Forbes has to say about Nebraska, however.
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
Eh not sure how much stock I put into that
There’s a zero percent chance they are more valuable than Ohio State. Smaller worse stadium, smaller population, smaller university, worse team for the past 10 years, less merchandise sold. They just don’t have a single advantage there, that makes no sense.
Not afraid to nitpick
In case anyone is wondering what I think...

born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red
by totalloser on Jun 16, 2010 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm thinking the same thing. I see him several times a month on MASN
And he can hit. Probably not a fielding upgrade on Shumaker, but not a significant detriment either, by the eyeball guage.
Wait, why do we need another MI?
Boog’s trending up and is the best SS in the NL, and Lopez is a good hitter who’s getting unlucky in the leadoff spot
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
if it bumps miles off the roster
its fine by me
"He’s in his own world out there. He says he doesn’t cuss. I disagree." - Skip Schumaker on Jason Motte
Austin Wilson, please don't be a tease!
Winn is better than Schumaker as on outfielder right now.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 17, 2010 6:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Bumping Miles off the roster would be a HUGE deal
Acquiring a 1 WAR player is going to be like a 2 win increase which is probably bigger than anything else we could get on the market realistically.
Not afraid to nitpick
I'm just going off this article which says
" I wonder if that would preclude the acquisition of an upgrade in the middle of the diamond. (And no, Aaron Miles does not count as an upgrade.:
good job, Captain
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
no, boog is a better hitter than hanley ramirez
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Jun 16, 2010 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
wife beating.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 17, 2010 6:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Defensively?
Hanley is bad and Reyes may only be slightly above average. Tulo is probably close to Ryan, but he doesn’t have his range. I don’t think anyone does.
by vivaelpujols on Jun 16, 2010 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Sutcliffe just called new Yankee stadium 'spacious'
'August in Kansas City is hotter than two rats in a fuckin' wool sock' - Ichiro Suzuki
Formerly known as The_teague
Franklin and Ichiro hugging. haha.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
oh. my. god. my eyes. my eyes.
the bullpen. holy gob.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
franklin just said knickers.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Brad Penny is pain-free!
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
i could see lee going to the twins
they have the prospects to get him and go for it this year, especially the catcher that seattle needs, and then they can restock with the picks when lee signs elsewhere in free agency. another move they could make would be alex gordon from kc, since 3b is a weakness for them, at least short-term in the next couple years (they have sano coming through the system). they are actually well-positioned to make both these moves and be a real threat for a world series – they were my preseason pick to fall to the cards in the series.
gordon would also be a good get for the angels, so i think the twins would have some real competition in acquiring him, especially being in the same division as kc..
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Me too
I think that’s about the ideal fit. He’d work for the Angels, too, and again they probably have the pieces to get him, but I dunno how the Mariners feels about trading within the division. I could also see the Mets expressing an interest if they’re in the race, and possibly-maybe the Dodgers.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 17, 2010 6:02 AM EDT up reply actions
this must have been posted at some point before
it’s two years old, but a good read, a scouting analysis of colby vs. bruce as prospects. colby’s arm is rated a plus tool, and a commenter remarks about being wowed by that arm at a minor league game. interestingly, k-bot is mentioned in the comments, in a michael young vs. k-bot side argument.
http://www.minorleagueball.com/2008/3/3/132913/6209
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

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