The Jaime Garcia Show
by DanUpBaby on May 4, 2010 6:00 AM EDT
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PrintIt's not a terrible predicament for the Cardinals to find themselves in, but it's real: Two of their rookies are performing way over their heads—Garcia is performing ahead of both a reasonable projection and his peripherals, so it's really like two and a half—but these rookies are not Bo Hart or Omir Santos or Shane Spencer but actual, real prospects, players who were expected before the season to be perfectly average contributors at their positions. That's good planning, and real improvements in player development, acquisition, scouting, etc.; the Cardinals aren't just replacing the expensive-average guys like Mark DeRosa when they bring aboard a player like David Freese, they're replacing the Abraham Nuñezes, too.
Which is why Freese's early-season Mo Vaughn impression is being viewed less as the ominous beginning of another fall back to the mean than a $50 bill that the St. Louis Cardinals collectively found on the street and decided to blow at Best Buy. If Freese is not really Joe Mauer—well, he did it for a few weeks, and this team will be fine even if he's just David Freese.
Garcia, meanwhile, and too my surprise, is getting more and more national attention. That it surprises me is probably a fair reminder that I don't pay as much attention to ERA as I did ten years ago; his sub 1.2 ERA and its attendant 3-1 record is at least as impressive as J.A. Happ's start in the rotation last season, which I also paid less attention to than Baseball Tonight.
Like Happ, Garcia is not this good, and hasn't even been this good. There have been moments in his starts where I've fully expected him to finally give up a big inning, but it never happens, and in the next moment he is striking out VictoriIno, Utley, and Howard without issue. (That's
Where Garcia is now reminds me of where Adam Wainwright was in 2007; like Wainwright he has a number of useful pitches and a third starter-type strikeout rate—and while Wainwright was a one-time ace prospect consigned to third starter-dom by a few rough years in the high minors, and Garcia a third starter from birth, each of them moved beyond that in terms of fan perception before their peripherals followed.
Once Garcia allows some home runs the ESPN stories will probably stop, and his ERA will no longer look like one of Ed Walsh's leftovers. But he's been better than anyone could have expected, better enough that even with the home runs he'd be impressing us.
One of the things that stood out about Garcia in the minors is the way he was always just excellent. Some pitching prospects put up great numbers in the low minors and suffer rough adjustments as they climb the ladder, but each of Garcia's three full seasons in the minor leagues look like a season the same pitcher could have put up. They look like lines he could put up in the majors. Given his start now, they look like lines he could put up now.
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This is one of my favorite stats, and although that means that most of you have already heard it I will read it, here, into the Blog Record. Most pinch hitters suck. It's some part the players who're doing it, and some part the situation into which they are called, but pinch hitters in the National League hit .230 last year, and .229 the year before.
Stavinoha's kneeling home runs aren't enough to make his season a success—he hit 5-15 with three doubles and a home run in the role last year—and given the construction of rosters in the 21st century the Mark Sweeney role is an increasingly tough sell. But it's good to see him contributing now, no matter how long it lasts or how ephemeral his role.
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I patiently await Freese's and Garcia's regression
“Freese’s”- it looks as awkward as it sounds. As an English teacher it is strange to hear “Freese’s” and know it is nonetheless the present tense.
Anyway, I have been assuming that these two guys are riding a wave and sanity will once again be restored. However, if (never can KNOW about these things until they happen) they do go back to “what they should be” I still suspect they will be average given their roles.
If that turns out to be true, these two are already incredible bargains.
Ride the wave! Shall she never crest! Long live the crestless wave!
They say sing while you slave but I just get bored
If this were 2001
wouldnt we have the same concerns about the mang ?
by Macarver hater on May 4, 2010 8:28 AM EDT up reply actions
+1
as long as Freese keeps being clutch with RISP, i’d be ok with him hitting .225 the rest of the time
and Garcia’s FIP is sub-3…so even though he may be out pitching his peripherals, it isn’t by a whole lot
a little regression is to be expected, but i don’t expect a lot from either
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Not exactly.
Coming out of the minors, everybody knew AP could hit. He’d established a startlingly clear pattern of that. There were concerns as to whether he could do everything else.
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by StanTheManFan on May 4, 2010 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions
My question then, I guess, is:
Hasn’t David Freese established a startingly clear pattern that he can hit? He has hit below .300 at one level (.299 at high A in ‘06) and his lowest wOBA in the minors was .387. I’m not saying that I expected this type of start, but I don’t think that him hitting well is terribly surprisingly, given his track record.
(As an aside, I’ve never really liked MLE’s, and, I feel vindicated in this gut reaction with each line drive Freese hits.)
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on May 4, 2010 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions
But
didnt Freese hit at every level so far?
by Macarver hater on May 4, 2010 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Pujols hit for 1 year in the Midwest League
1 year is not a pattern.
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
That's what I was going to bring up
Nobody knew Albert was “Albert Pujols” back in 2001. His minor league numbers are hardly eye-popping.
while spinning?
Cardinals Baseball 2010...Catch the Infection!
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on May 4, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I went and looked, cause I couldn't remember
and you are not kidding. I knew he didn’t spend long in the minors, but I forgot how brief his minor league career really was.
I mean, he skipped AA altogether, and had a whopping three (3) games at Memphis. And you can’t honestly look at his partial A-ball season and say yup, this kid with the funny name is going to be a first-ballot Hall of Famer.
What’s hilarious in retrospect: for all TLR’s rookie-hating reputation, he had no problem finding Pujols a full season’s worth of ABs his rookie year….
IIRC.....Mac suggested
TLR would be nuts if he didn’t put “the kid” on the team that year.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I've never really understood where TLR's "rookie-hating" reputation came from...
TLR coached even coached four straight rookies of the year in the late 80’s (Guillen, Canseco, McGwire, and Weiss).
by Willie McGee's Twin on May 4, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Let insanity reign
Garcia said he did not learn how to pitch until enduring the pain of TJ surgery and rehab. That which does not kill us … . His changeup is now a weapon. He is a different pitcher than we saw in the minors.
His mechanics are still problematic
I’m concerned about his shoulder breaking down in a year or two.
I’ll try to get some video of him.
Seems like he has a timing problem doesn't it?
His arm always seems to be dragging behind the rest of him…
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
There's the rub
He looks like he may be a bit better of late, so I need to get some video when they get back off the road.
True
but the world may end in 2012 so I prefer to worry about tomorrow when tomorrow comes.
apocalypse clause!
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
hmm
weren’t there some rumblings of his mechanics being different post-surgery? Or are both true (different mechanics and they’re still problematic).
by Birds on the Matt on May 4, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
They look improved, elbow-wise, and he seems to be bending his trunk more,
although he is still really throwing his arm back behind his body when he accelerates.
And I haven’t seen it in slow motion or anything.
I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons
Garcia's regression
His xFIP (with its normalized HR rate) is currently at 3.74, which is better than 2008 Adam Wainwright.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
And so should his LOB%
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on May 4, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
So, after all that,
he will experience the sameoutcome….
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on May 4, 2010 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Sounds about right to me.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on May 4, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it's a bit high
ZIPS is forced to regress his stats pretty heavily to the mean given the lack of data on him the past few years. But, IMO, Jaime’s skill set is better than league average.
by vivaelpujols on May 5, 2010 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
honest question
do the people doing these projections ever watch a player play, or is there no input other than numbers? i ask because some projections have boggled me for some time, and it makes me wonder.
admittedly, when my money is involved, i believe more in the ancient chinese method of evaluation, such as in one of salinger’s stories where a quote discusses some old horse expert who goes to look at a horse and advices to purchase the “gray mare” (or whatever, i’m paraphrasing), and the new owners discover it is not that at all, yet as fine a horse as advertised. that dude was looking/advanced beyond the details, i’d say.
so is there anything like their swing or arm slot taken into account, or are those things supposedly reflected in the numbers?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Well the guys who make the projections obviously watch the players play
But, no, they don’t incorporate anything else besides past stats and age into the projections.
ok, fair enough
i honestly didn’t know if this was done in a lab or what. sounds like there needs to be some interaction between scouts and projectors, but i suppose that’s done on a team-by-team basis, and proprietary.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Didja See.....
….Garcia strike out the side last night, including Utley and Howard? Esp. that beautiful lefty curve to Utley, it was amazing! As of this mooment we have THE rotation in baseball!!!
:=8D
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
Cud I be honest with you?
It would almost be worth paying for some kind of MLB package to see stuff like that. That’s awesome.
And now that my early meeting is over I can go check out highlights.
The $160 I drop on EI
is the best money I spend throughout the year.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I have a friend who agrees.
Alas, I don’t even cable. (Of course, last night it did not matter becaue Medicacom—ahem, fourstick—did not carry the game in central Iowa.)
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
the bastard-coated variety
"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."
Don't blame us
blame FSN-MW. They charge a RIDICULOUS amount for those surcharge games (20 or so in all throughout the season), and I’ve yet to find a good answer for why. Happily, about 5-6 of those games have already been picked up nationally or regionally by ESPN or FOX for broadcast, and most of the rest are prior to September 1st, so you shouldn’t miss many games down the stretch.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
I know it isn't your fault.
You’ve explained the contractual demands to me before. I just like teasing a Mediacom employee about it.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on May 4, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
bgh: It's not your fault
fourstick: I know…
bgh: No you don’t. It’s not your fault.
fourstick: [Serious] I know.
bgh: No. Listen to me son. It’s not your fault.
fourstick: I know that.
bgh: It’s not your fault.
[fourstick is silent, eyes closed]
bgh: It’s not your fault.
fourstick: [fourstick’s eyes open, misty already] Don’t fuck with me bgh. Not you.
bgh: It’s not your fault.
by Willie McGee's Twin on May 4, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions 10 recs
i like how it ends with a hug.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
This really bothered me for Blues games
I like watching hockey a few times a week, but half the games weren’t broadcast for me due to what I assume is FSN-MW and ____ cable/satellite being money-grubbing hoebags.
absolutely.
EI is better than sliced bread and almost as good as sex.
Currently selling signature space. All offers considered.
by RosevilleRedbird on May 4, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
you're leaving out Beer and DVR
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
What about bad sex?
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 4, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I have to disagree with that.
Cuz I’ve some rather bad pizzas before.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 4, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
there is if it leaves the taste of anchovies in your mouth
what’s that way back there? Oh, yeah, the line.
Surprised you can still see it from where you're at...
the line that is.
If you see a guy open the car door for his girlfriend, either the car is new or the girlfriend is.
2009 K%
Career K%
Ankiel: 26.3%
Howard: 32.3%
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on May 4, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
+1
"The outfield is deep and playing him straight-away, and the infield is the same, except first, second, third, and short are playing him to pull."
-Mike Shannon
The eternal question
How can anybody who watches Howard play think he’s better than Utley?
Really. Any theories?
Howard smash
That’s simply it.
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Who's Chase Utley?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
i do not understand this either.
chase utley has got to be the most underrated baseball player ever.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
yeah. dude puts up MVP numbers at the second most offensively challenged position in the sport
(maybe third, but nevertheless, there’s a lot of positional value there)
"The outfield is deep and playing him straight-away, and the infield is the same, except first, second, third, and short are playing him to pull."
-Mike Shannon
exactly. awesome 1Bs are a dime a dozen these days.
but awesome 2Bs? besides Kinsler and maybe Pedroia, i can’t even think of any others off the top of my head.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
Cano is hitting in the high .300s and has 8 HR.
I don’t know much about his defense, though.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Average, actually.
I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons
there are more; Aaron Hill, Zobrist (if you consider him a 2B)
but nevertheless, it’s an EXTREMELY hard position to find offensive talent at. and I’d guess (i couldn’t find the numbers), replacement level offense at 2B is lower than anything else except catcher. the only other position that I’d think could possibly be worse is SS, and these days i think SSs seem to hit better than 2B.
"The outfield is deep and playing him straight-away, and the infield is the same, except first, second, third, and short are playing him to pull."
-Mike Shannon
well i knew there were more
my point was that you have to think about it. but with 1B, you’ve got pujols, howard, fielder, gonzales, pena, cabrera, texiera… guys who put up huge numbers.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
Youklis, Berkman, Helton, Konerko, Morneau...
The list of slugging first basemen goes on and on and on…
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
yeah i thought about cano
but its the yankees, so…
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
And, considering the history of the position,
when all’s said and done, he might be one of the top…what, 5 or 10 2nd basemen in baseball history? Really, who else is there? Joe Morgan…and who?
"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols
Craig Biggio?
Utley got a late start so he’ll be a classic case of peak vs. longevity in arguments about evaluting great 2Bmen.
by Willie McGee's Twin on May 4, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Hornsby is a great era vs. era argument subject
because he played in an era when no-glove players were hidden at second base. By most accounts he was a lousy fielder and likely would have played left field in the modern era.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Nap Lajoie, and Rogers Hornsby, to partially answer my own question...
But going back that far just shows how few truly great offensive 2nd basemen there are.
"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols
roberto alomar laughs at jeff kent
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
And, after doing so, spits in Jeff Kent's face.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on May 4, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
that'd be awesome
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
cano is a beast
are the yankees not better this year?
by guillermozeliak on May 4, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions
and he's consistently one of the best defensive 2b in the league
has he even won the worthless award aka the gold glove?
"...and pujols has given st louis the lead"
The Best Defensive Play I Have Seen in Person
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He might give Blyleven a run for his money.
I know it took me years before I could tell Utley apart from Ryan Freel.
I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons
There seems to be a pattern there.
The question is: when do outfielders-turned-second basemen turn into pumpkins?
(Ours is 30 as we type…)
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Dewe Yew Fear...
…that he is pumkinizing before our very eyes?
:=8O
Let’s hope not! No pumpkin pie!
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
Not really.
It’s May 4th and his BABIP is in the mid-.200s or so, at last check. (I don’t know what last night did to it.) No need to sound any alarms.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Because they only see him play
when he has a month where he hits .360 with 15 homers….
They tune out the next month when he hits .200 with 3 homers and 60 K’s
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
and when he does that random bullshit of .360/15hr
in september, he robs albert of an mvp. yes, im still bitter about 06.
"...and pujols has given st louis the lead"
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Howard drives in a fuckload of runs
So it’s very obvious where he gets his value from. People aren’t going to be as excited by Utley’s solid plays in the field and high OBP.
I wonder what share of those RBI were Chase Utley?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on May 4, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
give me utley and werth both over howard
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Garcia and Freese are great examples...
of why lower ceiling, but higher performing, prospects should be more highly valued. Everyone hadf Robert Stock ahead of these guys, and it really is an apples/oranges comparison, but it just seems like the high ceiling A baller is overvalued.
Franklin !#@$!&*%#
Let's not count our chickens here.
The reason (as far as I can tell, the only reason) why Senor G wasn’t second on most lists, behind Miller (TINSTAAPP), was concern as to how complete his recovery from TJ would be — whether he would be able to pitch well, and how long he’d be able to do it. We know now that it was “complete” in the sense of restoring his arm to being able to pitch effectively, to put it mildly. We do not know, and will not know until the end of the season, whether the stamina part of the deal is also applicable.
This said, he was #2 on my own personal prospects list, and I’m not sure that I wouldn’t have had him #1. TINSTAAPP, and Garcia had already succeeded at higher levels than Miller, although I think there is every reason to believe that Miller is going to be a very good pitcher (TINSTAAPP) as long as he avoids the injury bug — or recovers from injuries, when they do occur, as well as present company.
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Except when writing for this list.
by StanTheManFan on May 4, 2010 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Except Garcia was among the top 5 in the org before he got hurt
And Freese was simply undervalued by a Padres franchise which left him in low-A ball for way too long. He essentially went from low A ball with the Pads to AAA with the Cardinals and was the minor league player of the year that season. As much as San Diego stole Luke Gregerson from us, we stole David Freese from them, considering they only got about 1 month (and it was a bad month) out of Jimmy before he asked to be let go and ended up in Chicago. FWIW, I’d rather have Freese than Gregerson.
I guess i’d say that I would agree with your point on Freese, and that if he’s successful it makes losing Brett Wallace (who’s now strictly a first baseman/DH btw) to the trade last year much less painful.
I also think that we have a couple of other players that fit this mold (lower ceiling, high performing) in our minor league system. Daniel Descalso would be one, with Jon Jay and Tyler Henley being the others.
Regarding Stock: the kid has a ridiculous amount of talent. If he doesn’t make it as a catcher, he could probably get to AAA as a starting pitcher and at the very least have a shot at a big league bullpen. He has a plus fastball on the mound with a pretty decent breaking ball that could turn into a plus pitch with some work. He’s a two way prospect with a tremendous amount of upside, and was an absolute steal in the draft last year, imo. Any time you can have a guy who might make the big leagues 3 different ways, that has to be considered a big win for the organization.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
oh and stock is 19.
he was starting for a d1 school(a good program at that) at age 17. that’s just absurd.
"...and pujols has given st louis the lead"
The Best Defensive Play I Have Seen in Person
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yeah, okay, that did sound stupid in hindsight.
he’s still 19.
"...and pujols has given st louis the lead"
The Best Defensive Play I Have Seen in Person
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I'm just not that high on Stock at all
He was a top prospect……..who then didn’t really hit well for 3 years outside of 160 PAs in rookie ball. I like the pick because he’s also a decently high ceiling reliever if he can’t re-kindle the hitting flames but….dude is hitting .182 .318 .218 in low-A.
Not afraid to nitpick
I think his future may be as a pitcher
But if they can turn Joe Kelly into a starter, they can turn Robert Stock into a starter too.
I do think they need to pursue him as a catcher for at least two full seasons. If he can’t hack his way out of A-ball, then it’s time to move him to the mound.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Gregorson?
Still not sold on him. Dude is still a much better pitcher at SD, and he is registering a .203 BABIP, whereas in 2009 his BABIP was .332. He will regress to his mean eventually, and his splits, while they may improve, will still be visible.
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
A high K/9 does not a pitcher make.
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
not if you think about hits and walks and such
but i think you are being petty.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Using only K/9 to establish a reliever as a steal
doesn’t inspire much merit.
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
This is a big issue with nation-wide lists as well.
A 21 year old who posts the same stats as a 27 year old should be valued more highly, but top prospect lists are obsessively committed to ceiling at the expense of ML readiness. A player in triple-A should have a huge advantage over an A-baller because the flame out rate is so much lower.
There is a related problem where prospects are overvalued because they are “young for their level.” Despite sucking at a level, prospects are often given a pass because they are young.
I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons
I loved the 2-out 7th inning rally (see sig)
clutch, clutch, clutch.
"They're so stunned they didn't even boo!"
John Rooney 5/3/10 referring to Philly fans on Cards 5-run inning
What did Rooney have to say
about the fan who was tazed? (sp?) Al and Dan didn’t seem like they said a whole lot, but I also tend to space out whenever they talk.
Also, Jack Clark on the post-game show is horrendous. I know this isn’t “new” news, but man, that guy…wow. Just. Awful.
They didn't say much...
unless I missed it. That cop should be made to attend a class on appropriate force, then sent to the gym. The speed differential him and the kid was unbelievable.
Franklin !#@$!&*%#
The officer is the snail in the black pants:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riCu3LJOgmk&feature=player_embedded
Franklin !#@$!&*%#
Yadi's reaction was still the best.
I am waiting for the animated gif or the video… come on… please…
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I have it, but I'm having a bitch of a time editing it down.
Linux users- What do you use for video editing?
I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.
by The Continental on May 4, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
comment of the day over at philly.com -
“the cop should have tasered brad lidge.”
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
Okay, so is it just me,
or do the shadows on that kid make it look like he wet his pants?
"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols
it does look like that
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
Tackle him,
wait til he goes down/gets tired, corner him, etc… Once upon a time, police chiefs across the country assured us that Tasers were non-lethal alternatives to guns. Now their being used on harmless teenagers for delaying a ball game.
Franklin !#@$!&*%#
I agree 100%.
The use of tasers are getting ridiculously out of hand at this point.
"When I gave up a grand slam to Pete LaCock," Bob Gibson said later, "I knew it was time to quit."
by The Classical on May 4, 2010 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
if yer on a big league field
you know how its going to end. Either you get tackled (less safe) or tased.
If a cop tases you before he gives you a chance to cooperate, or executing an illegal arrest (don’t tase me bro, being a very good example) then they’re unjustified.
In this case he totally had it coming.
that's the problem
That people know they’re going to start getting tased. People die from that stuff. I don’t know why, but tasers aren’t safe for some people as I understand it.
A fan running around the field might expect it, but they shouldn’t. It’s not like he was running at Albert Pujols with a knife and should’ve been sniped. He should’ve been tackled or cornered as guarzimi said.
shoulda been sniped...:))
does anyone know where u can find pics beyond the Ass. Press ones…such as ryan’s triple and molina
by guillermozeliak on May 4, 2010 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree 100%
You should have used “they’re” in that instance
2010 St. Louis Cardinals - Sinkers and Dingers
by jd is legend on May 4, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I believe you meant Dush
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
It is spelled Ryan Braun but it is pronounced Hipster Lemur Douchebag
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
as much as I loathe hipsters, I actually have to
come to their defense here. Whatever this is…
…it ain’t hipster
that belongs on a sale rack in a nebraska truckstop
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
what a great way to start a sentence
by alienating yourself from a certain group of people. always classy
Exactly
Tasers are used by police to prevent any kind of injury to the person being subdued. A friend of mine on the force also told me they are instructed to use TASER and pepper spray before resorting to the baton or hand-to-hand combat with a perp simply because the police force wants to avoid lawsuits for “excessive force” at all costs.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
I totally support...
the police going with the taser before they’re forced into “hand-to-hand combat”…
Franklin !#@$!&*%#
the kid was already to the infield. do we tackle him after he's got the pitcher in a chokehold?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
it was a taser shaped like a gun
so semantics i guess
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
the guy was enaging in deliberate, ongoing
criminal mischief/trespass. fuck’em if he gets tazed.
by Willie McGee's Twin on May 4, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Plus he was a Phillies fan.
Gotta keep them under control.
I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons
true. shoulda double-tapped him then.
by Willie McGee's Twin on May 4, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
as far as I'm concerned
the question shouldn’t be, “was the cop within his rights to taze the guy?” Clearly he was. If you’re dumb enough to run out there in the first place, you’re pretty much in get-what-you-deserve territory.
IMHO the right question to ask is “should cops have tazers at all?” That’s a question that probably is outside the scope of this blog.
honestly
i’ve got to agree that shooting him with a tazer is probably the safer option.
Especially with that cop, land wrong and you break the kids arm.
a well placed rubber bullet from a sniper in the upper deck could work too
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
that could work
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
this is one of the most epic pictures I've ever seen
anyone know where I can get a bigger version?
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
ohhhh man, my memory says I can answer that
my memory also says I’ve forgotten.
momup actually had some good ones of the snipers.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Can you please tell Ryan Franklin to get back into the bullpen.....
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
I choose death
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
Not the kid's broken arm...
The cop’s. Many cops are having to have surgery to repair torn knee and should ligaments from wrestling perps.
This is hard to remember, but sometimes we have to protect the people who are actually following the law…
I really take no issue with the cop using a taser
that being said, my brother got a gun pulled on him and his fellow soldiers in Baghdad by a teenager, and rather than shooting the kid my brother tackled and disarmed him. They’re not perfectly analagous situations, but I imagine if my brother can tackle a armed insurgent then a cop can tackle a drunk teenager. But then again, my brother is an extreme fucking badass so I don’t hold other people to his standards out of fairness.
This cop wasn't tackling a moving target, that's for sure.
Unless the moving target was that pink cake that tripped up Pablo Sandoval.
You can read it in any tone you like.
HA...
Probably a good idea not to lump your “extreme fucking badass” brother in with Paul Blart Mallcop.
That dude looked like he had absolutely no interest in even trying to chase down the kid…like he just got winded and said “Fuck it, I’m taserin’ this bitch!”
by goodymobb on May 4, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
the kid had already trapped himself on the field
and the keystone cops managed to turn it into a chase.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Not my perspective...
a fair and balanced summation of the video evidence…
Franklin !#@$!&*%#
by guayzimi on May 4, 2010 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
heh heh heh
i’ll rec that
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
"That put a jolt into this crowd"
"They're so stunned they didn't even boo!"
John Rooney 5/3/10 referring to Philly fans on Cards 5-run 7th inning
by gocards62 on May 4, 2010 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I wonder if McGwire talks to Stav
about this down-on-the-knee crap. I don’t remember him doing that last year, but then I don’t think I saw him hit any home runs last year.
Don't think it was planned
Looked to me like he was partially fooled on the pitch just like when he faced Hoffman. He was maybe looking fastball but credit him for adjusting and getting enough of the barrel on the ball. His normal slappy single-hitting swing does not look like that.
T. Greene for SS
I think it's more of this one
And Stav kinda said as much himself after the game.
He talked about being fooled on the pitch (both HR pitches, actually) and how in both cases he’s way out in front and just “sees the ball going down and just keeps going down so [he] can hopefully get a good swing on it” (paraphrasing, but you get the idea).
Sounds like they were two of the luckiest homeruns ever
2010 St. Louis Cardinals - Sinkers and Dingers
by jd is legend on May 4, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
He made a heck of an adjustment
He had to both get down to out and out to it.
90% of the time the result is a pop-out.
For the normal human, yes,
but not for the Stavinfection.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
How many one-knee home runs does he have to hit
to overcome SSS? I’m actually curious about people’s answers.
/no sarcasm
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on May 4, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
stav
stavinoha genuflecting to will God’ power for a HR is creative
by guillermozeliak on May 4, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought
McGwire said something about getting him to drive through the ball better.
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
After watching Freese and Garcia.....
I think both have more potential then we gave them credit for. Remember, Albert hadn’t shown anything in the minors to even remotely make anybody think he’d be anywhere close to as good as he is.
Now, I don’t expect Freese to hit .350, and I don’t expect Garcia to keep an ERA in the low 1’s, but they are both very good fundementally. Freese has a nice swing. Garcia has nice makeup, both mentally and with his pitches. I expect both to have great seasons this year, start to finish. There’ll be some bumps in the road, there always are.
As for Stav, one of the biggest reasons I like him on the bench is he seems to be able to be okay as primarily a pinch hitter. I don’t think that is something many young hitters can do. Most need to get in the box everyday in order to have confidence, and to keep swingin’ well. Stav seems to be an exception. Most of the time, it takes more veteran guys to be good at that role.
Hold the horses here Cowboy!
Albert had exactly one season in A ball, posted a .920 OPS in his first year swinging a wooden bat, and got called up from A ball to AAA to finish the season. He then got a non-roster invite to ST the next year as a third baseman, making the team at age 21 when Bonilla went down with an injury. To say that he “didn’t do much in the minors” is simply mistating facts — he had a great season, got noticed by the player development guys enough to keep Jocketty from including him in a trade and made the club the very next year. So you’d rather he stayed at AAA that first season and put up a 1.300 OPS?
Comparing him with David Freese (who had three full seasons in the minors starting at age 23, and an injury riddled 4th last year) and Jaime Garcia (who had 62 minor league starts in three seasons before getting hurt) is a really poor comparison, imo. You’re making the assertion that we just shouldn’t pay attention to minor league numbers because Albert Pujols “didn’t do much” there and that he’s turned into one of the great hitters of all time. It’s akin to saying that we should draft a catcher in the last round of the draft every year as a favor to a family friend of Tommy Lasorda’s just because Mike Piazza had a HOF career.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Ease up
All he said was “Remember, Albert hadn’t shown anything in the minors to even remotely make anybody think he’d be anywhere close to as good as he is.”
I would agree with that just because there wasn’t that long of a track record. One year. You can’t believe anyone in the org or out thought he would turn into a HoF guy based on that one year.
T. Greene for SS
yeah but
Albert was not only brought up to AAA at the end of the season, he played in the AAA playoffs, and as I recall, was named the MVP. Pretty good for someone who had played basically the entire year at low A. There was clearly something there more than the usual.
I can count on one hand
all the guys in the history of the game who were pegged as HOF talents prior to ever playing a big league game. But that isn’t the point here.
The point is that he’s comparing the starts of Freese and Garcia (and their minor league careers) to the start of Albert Pujols (and his minor league career) when they have little to nothing in common.
FWIW, you don’t jump a guy 2 levels to put him on your AAA playoff squad if you don’t think he’s special. There’s a shitload of guys how put up a .940 OPS in A ball, but only a handful would skip AA at the end of the year to be added to a AAA playoff roster. Someone clearly thought he was a special hitter, but nobody could have predicted he’d be this good.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
I think you missed my point.....
Nobody compared Pujols to Freese. I simply was trying to make the point that there are examples all over baseball where players had 1 year, or 5 years in the minors, then they make the big leagues and out-perform any predictions that could have been made based on those minor league stats.
Nobody on this blog knows for sure how good Garcia or Freese can be. I’m just saying let’s not use their minor league track records as the only guide to their expectations. I’ve seen A LOT of stuff I like about Garcia, even in previous years. Just something about the kid I like.
I think the problem is that for Pujols little statistical info existed (the scouting info said he would be great),
while Freese and Garcia both had long track records of being very good minor leaguers yet neither of them were valued particularly highly because the scouting information didn’t say they were high-ceiling players.
I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons
Note to self:
Buy off scout to write evaluation on sons. Be sure he includes phrase “has a high ceiling.”
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Throwing hard, hitting far, running fast, and being young are still overvalued by scouts.
Robots and ice-men slip through the cracks.
I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons
What about an ice-man in a robotic suit?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
The internal scouting reports on Garcia were much more positive
than the internet analysts.
Think; It's not illegal yet.
hard to see a game live from the basement?
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
Heh -- something like that.
Jeff Luhnow doesn’t actually believe every prospect is the next it thing and I think some of his comments about "the system is better than " blah blah blah this offseason were posturing. That said, I know some people were higher on Garcia internally and, personally, the internet rankings had him way to low in most instances.
Think; It's not illegal yet.
It's worth noting that Garcia isn't this good though.
He may not be what people think of as a “third starter” but he’s been very lucky so far in HR rate, strand rate, etc. He’ll fail to escape some jams at some point in the not too distant future.
Think; It's not illegal yet.
some of his peripherals are actually worse, though, than his minor league numbers - k rate and bb rate.
no telling whether that’s a feature of being exposed to a higher level of competition or if he’ll regress to his better minor league numbers.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
I think the walk rate
is a function of him being very careful with his pitches. Seems to happen more off of full counts, rather than the ‘4 straight balls’ control issues.
But that hypothesis doesn't hold for those two players
Both Freese and Garcia had plenty of success in the minor leagues, they just never got pushed up on the top prospect boards because they both had limited potential. They’ve both been awesome for the first month of this year, it’s true, but Bo Hart and Joe McEwing were awesome for a couple of months too and then faded out. I don’t expect this to happen to Freese and Garcia, but let’s temper our excitement just a little bit over one monthly sample, shall we?
I had no doubts that both would have some success at the MLB level because both have the talent to be there, but to state that we should re-tool player evaluations because of one month of success from two players seems a bit much.
Sure there are examples of this all across the big leagues, but I think it’s been proven time and again that a very small percentage of All-Star players have ever get drafted below the 3rd round, so pretty much every guy like Pujols and Piazza are going to be outliers in a statistical model of the draft. You can’t predict those outliers and you certainly shouldn’t base your entire evaluation system around finding the diamond in the rough.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Yeah but...
Allen Craig hit at every level, and look what he did…er…in…uhhh…nevermind.
BTW…I am not implying Craig is not a ML hitter.
If you see a guy open the car door for his girlfriend, either the car is new or the girlfriend is.
Craig just had bad outcomes.
And was probably pretty unlucky given his peripherals. He hit a Tim Lincecum pitch into McCovey Cove….but it was foul by about 5 feet. Dude can rake, he’s just going to need some time to get it going and work out the bugs
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
I've been perhaps overly optimistic about both Freese and Jaime.
That said, I did not expect their torrid starts to the season, but they make me happy because I am more confident that TLR will stick with them through season’s end. (Not that this proved true for Brian Barden who was sent back to Memphis in favor of Thursty Joe and never heard from again.)
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Garcia I can agree with
He’s got #2 type potential………he commands 4 pitches. I don’t see why his ceiling isn’t in the 3.5-3.9 ERA range.
Not afraid to nitpick
Ditto
He’s basically a carbon copy of Wandy Rodriguez expect with a better fastball (or two, it looks like he throws a cutty thingy and a two-seamer) and changeup. Wandy probably has a better approach in attacking hitters, but I can’t see why Jaime couldn’t learn that.
Ah, so I missed it in the video
where the guy tasered him from afar.
Brothers?
"When I gave up a grand slam to Pete LaCock," Bob Gibson said later, "I knew it was time to quit."
by The Classical on May 4, 2010 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
HA!
Speaking of, check out this chick.
by goodymobb on May 4, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
More like his father
Think about it. If hell froze over and Butthead scored 17 years ago in 1993 (when the show first aired), this could be his spawn.
It didn’t make sense to hear the father of this kid say that he essentially allowed the kid to run onto the field, but now it does.
by olddomination on May 4, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions
They Wouldn't Show it...
…unfortunately; wanted to hear him say “Don’t Tase Me, Bro” with a cheesesteak in each hand…
;=8)
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
In all serious though...
the taser was a bit much. The kid wasn’t going to harm anyone. Whatever happened to the open field tackle method that the park rent-a-cops used to apply?
"When I gave up a grand slam to Pete LaCock," Bob Gibson said later, "I knew it was time to quit."
by The Classical on May 4, 2010 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
That kid could've run circles around that cop all day...
I agree though… the trend towards more force and less fun/sense of humor doesn’t bode well.
Franklin !#@$!&*%#
Last year some dude hopped up on something grabbed a hold of my car and wouldn't let go
it was in the parking lot of my apartment complex and it scared the crap out of me. I got scared and called the police because the dude was not leaving and I didn’t know if he was going to attack me (he was that messed up). Well the police came and a struggle ensued and eventually the policeman had to taze the guy. As much as the dude scared me, and as much as I really believe that the police acted accordingly, I still felt bad for the guy watching the whole thing play out. It is a very very violent thing to see and it should be reserved for only the situations where it is unavoidable. i don’t think that a kid running around a ballpark warrants an action like that.
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on May 4, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
eh. that guy got pretty damn close to the players.
the first few seconds, maybe it was funny, but that could have gone south fast if the kid had been planning something.
it was the seventh inning, the eighth? that’s plenty of time to make a shank.
…not that I would know anything about that.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Make a shank....heh.
This is Philly, they bring em from home.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
security, and all.
they build lasers there, I mean come on.
but seriously, that is long enough to do something crazy. that’s why my beloved cotton candy buckets disappeared. hard plastic.
…not that I would know anything about that.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
all the cops called in and said they're more likely to injure the guy tackling him.
it’s only distasteful to all the people watching it.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
well, the players thought it was funny.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
because SC only gets their 'news' from the main feed
they only talk about the Phillies players thinking it was hilarious. East Coast bias serves us!
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Well, ok, I hear that
but it’s just crap.
a) so what if he’s injured
b) find me someone injured in this way on a baseball field.
It’s lawyer talk.
actually, it's law enforcement talk.
as was mentioned, it’s in the opinion of police officers that it is more likely to injure a victim in a hand-to-hand situation. and we better hope it’s hand-to-hand, because we can’t see any weapons on these guys.
or would you like a larger sample size of idiots running on to the field?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
You know how we hate SSS
Yes, that’s law enforcement talk – from law enforcement lawyers.
tackling the idiot is also much more likely to injure the police officer...
which you are not taking into account.
by Willie McGee's Twin on May 4, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
lawsuits
A burglar in my brother’s construction warehouse was injured while attacking an employee who tried to detain him. The burglar sued my brother for not properly training his employee in non-violent detention.
No kidding.
My brother would have been better off if his employee had tased the burglar.
Good thing there is the unclean hands doctrine.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
people get sued for ridiculous things all the time
it doesnt mean the burglar won.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
still takes time and money (sometimes a lot of it) to defend against ridiculous suits
by Willie McGee's Twin on May 4, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Let's not even go there,
suffice to say the sides are political and both are often prone to exaggeration.
I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons
wasn't making a tort reform comment -
just pointing out that whether the burglar won or not doesn’t mean the guy’s brother wasn’t inconvenienced/hurt by the suit.
by Willie McGee's Twin on May 4, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
It also doesn't mean he was.
Don’t tell me it’s not politics and then cite the most common political argument for a side.
There are counter arguments and I’m sure you can find someone to argue them on a politics forum if you’re itching to be argued with.
I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons
I'm pretty well acquainted with the counter-arguments since I'm mainly a plaintiffs' trial lawyer
In any event, I’m certainly not interested in arguing with you about the topic and wasn’t trying to. My comment was for IHB.
by Willie McGee's Twin on May 4, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
funny that i'm mostly defense
you think we’d be arguing the opposite positions!
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
the law is the law
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
i don't see this as a political issue, and if it is I apologize.
but there are safeguards in place for people who are the victims of ridiculous suits. if it is truly a ridiculous suit, the defendant can usually recover his/her/its fees and costs.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
can't recover fees/costs in tort suits
but even if so, you really think he’s going to recover his fees and costs against a plaintiff-burglar?
A judgment ain’t worth shit if you can’t recover.
by Willie McGee's Twin on May 4, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
For real actual fun,
mlb.com
fangraphs.com
wikipedia.com
armorgames.com
For politics:
politico.com
realclearpolitics.com
I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons
Don't censor me!
I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons
because stupid Left/Right wingers are wrong about it!!!
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
and for a little bit of both
fivethirtyeight.com oh nate silver, you dreamboat
"...and pujols has given st louis the lead"
The Best Defensive Play I Have Seen in Person
follow me on teh twitterz @greenfieldt
why I didn't bother
with anything legal after some dude kicked me in the head a dozen times. My memory of the incident was gone, nobody seemed willing to point him out, he was arrested shortly after for getting caught selling drugs on camera in Cook County, and had no money, so I just said eff it, finished my rehab, completed my classes, and moved on with my life
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
That's your best route
If he’s discovered tased and shot 15 years later, no one will suspect you.
if only I knew what he looked like
punched from behind, head off curb, head kicked repeatedly, jump started, 1 week no memory…on the bright side, I got a great view of Lake Michigan for a week while at the Rehab Institute of Chicago.
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
yes, you can
Rule 11 (federal rule, and most states have something similar) sanctions parties that bring frivolous lawsuits.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
sorry WMGT, i forgot you were an atty too
not trying to sound condescending re Rule 11
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
doubtful this would be a federal case....
but in any event, you aren’t going to get costs and fees as a sanction simply because the plaintiff is pursuing a losing/bad case. seeking sanctions is a waste of time in the vast, vast majority of cases. most judges will get upset for wasting his/her time with sanctions motions.
by Willie McGee's Twin on May 4, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
i'm coming off a case where we got a massive sanctions award against the plaintiff in what was basically an employment discrimination case
so perhaps my viewpoint is skewed.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
discovery sanctions? cause that's what will get you in trouble
or blatant perjury on the facts (always hard to get evidence of this though). But having a crappy legal case will never get you (or your client) sanctioned.
by Willie McGee's Twin on May 4, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
in fact
The insurance company defended the (bogus) claim, and settled for an undisclosed (hopefully very small) amount to avoid further litigation.
My brother was, uh, perturbed.
There was a case years ago
Where a burglar was trying to break into the mansion of some millionaire, fell through the skylight and broke his back on the owner’s coffee table. He then sued the owner of the house for failure to have proper safety standards on his skylight and won a huge settlement.
As always, the process that will incur the least amount of injuries is the favorable one, and using the TASER will result in fewer injuries to the assailant and and police officer in the long run. Therefore it is the favorable method of taking a perpetrator down by most security and police units that use them.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
i am almost positive that this is not accurate
i am pretty sure that something like this happened, but the burglar sued the manufacturer of the skylight, not the owner of the house.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
It was a high school kid, the building was a school, he wasn’t breaking in. The skylight was painted the same color as the roof and was undetectable, and there had been several incidents of workers on similar roofs falling through such skylights and being killed.
He sued the manufacturer, not the school.
I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons
thanks.
still not trying to be political, but these urban legends get spread around and give the legal system a bad rap.
like, there’s so much more to the mc donald’s coffee spill story than most people know.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
I wouldn't mind having this political discussion,
but this isn’t really the place.
Also, yes the coffee story is also quite overblown. There’s another urban legend one about a woman who sued for getting her psychic abilities messed up by a CT scan.
I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons
re: lawsuit urban legends
most of those stories about people suing over absurd things and winning ridiculous judgments are either exaggerated or completely made up to begin with.
Regarding the infamous McDonald’s/coffee story, people always forget that lady really did spend a long time in the hospital and the judge cut the jury’s award by 60-70%. (Strangely, that part never makes headlines….)
But the whole point of the issue
is that a jury found McDonalds somehow responsible for someone putting a hot cup of coffee in their lap and then spilling it on themselves.
FWIW, could that same person sue Black and Decker if they poured coffee out of their own coffee pot and into their lap causing burns?
Coffee is hot, fuckers, it can damage you if you’re not careful with it. The only reason she won that case is because she could prove that McDonalds had received complaints about their coffee being hot and hadn’t done anything about it. If anything, she’s extremely negligent for being a klutz. I still don’t see how that’s worth any award whatsoever.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
It was a jury award.
The woman sued initially for medical bills because the coffee served at McDonalds was of such low quality that it had to be served at a dangerously high temperature that was capable of severe burns.
And anyway, SSS.
I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons
the issue
was the coffee was waaaay overheated and out of the ordinary like it was not the correct settting for keeping the coffee warm……her burns were ridiculous to the point of hospitalization
by guillermozeliak on May 5, 2010 4:29 AM EDT up reply actions
and....
the that coffee cup did not contain a warning label telling her that it was hot. Which should be pretty clear, BECAUSE 98% OF COFFEE IS SERVED HOT.
If this were to happen again, McDonalds could claim that the cup says “hot” and therefore the person with the coffee assumed acceptable risk.
I’m sorry, it’s a ridiculous jury award based on the evidence in the case, and I’ve seen most of the evidence. Was McDonalds negligent in serving boiling hot coffee? Yes. Was the person in question just as negligent for dumping said coffee in her lap when it’s designed to be in the cup? Yes, they were.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Liar Liar?
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
my favorite line
is the defense of somebody breaking the law by saying “he wasnt going to (insert statement here)”. you have no idea what he was going to do.
Appropriate force is a standard that exists in policing...
Saying that no one ever knows what anyone else will ever do is just a lazy excuse to shoot someone.
Franklin !#@$!&*%#
oh for pete's sake.
1, this is getting political, 2, it’s not a gun!
you know, I’m just going to say box cutters and stop myself.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
It's interesting you think this is political...
I think it’s cultural. The tendency toward no-tolerance of any form of rulebreaking. The extreme intolerance of someone interrupting something as trivial as a ballgame. The lack of any sense of humor. The absence of sympathy toward a dumb kid. The inability to understand the idea of proportional force or moderation in policing. The attraction of a high-tech device that enhances police control.
These are all signs of a culture that’s circling the drain.
Franklin !#@$!&*%#
and your last line kind ... proves my point.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I don't think a cultural critique is necessarily political...
I’ve voted for a variety of ideologies and parties. There are politicians that say anyone who believes X about the future of the U.S. is un-American, but they don’t get to write the rules.
Franklin !#@$!&*%#
What is humorous about this?
I go to a game to watch the game. Not to laugh at some schmuck who believes he’s the center of the world’s attention.
He deliberately broke the law, so no sympathy here either.
You are a fan. You belong in the seats.
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Agree
Also, from what I understand, being tased looks much more cruel than it actually is. In this instance, notice the kid immediately falls down, and then within seconds security has him up and he is walking just fine.
Every year at work
I try to get people to put money together to watch me get tased by a girl in the office who has one she carries in her purse. so far they haven’t been willing to do it. $100 and I’m probably sold…
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
Absense of sympathy? Get off my lawn.
if that were my kid I’d slap the hell out of him.
This.
It’s illegal. I have no sympathy for anyone who breaks the law. He deserved what was coming to him. Simple as that.
Now, THIS road is precisely where we can get very political, very quickly, talking about other things that are illegal…so I’m stopping here.
"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols
Or Laz Diaz
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
heh heh
are you suggesting he wanted to harm someone in the field? who you thinking – victorino, werth, utley…?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
The reason there is zero-tolerance for these kind of shenanigans
is to prevent them from occurring on a regular basis. Would you like to go to a baseball game where a 10 foot high chain link fence is built around the lower seats to prevent this from happening? How about having a game interrupted every 20 minutes or so because some fan is streaking on the field.
It has nothing to do with a sense of humor and everything to do with those individuals putting themselves selfishly ahead of the rest of the patrons who are there to watch a game. It’s a selfish act, not a funny one, and unless it is dealt with in a zero-tolerance fashion we’d have more of them.
I suppose it would be ok for this same kid to come running through your house unannounced during dinner? Trespassing is trespassing.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
actually, trespassing isn't trespassing.
trespassing in your house is usually a felony. trespassing by, say, walking across someone’s open land is usually a misdemeanor or a violation. so, comparing running across a baseball field to running through your house is not accurate.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
doesnt mean u should be tasered
unecessary, tackling is fine…the prevention is being jailed/fined…security people in general are on a power trip especially since they are out of shape and cant run
by guillermozeliak on May 4, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions
So tackling is ok
even if 7 times out of 10 tackling someone will cause more serious injuries than being TASERED to the ground?
Why does every think being TASERED is such a traumatic experience? Has anyone here ever been tasered before besides myself? We had to do it during training for event security if we were going to have a TASER available for us to use. It’s not that bad, seriously. It just incapacitates you, it really doesn’t even hurt all that much.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
FYI...
…today is the 40th Anniversary of the Kent State shootings. Maybe they should have tazed ’em…
:=8/
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
eh, I think police actions should comport
with a standard of reasonable and appropriate force. Which is to say, i don’t think you should allow cops to use force just to “send a message,” since there’s plenty of precedent to demonstrate the pitfalls of granting cops that much leeway. That being said, I have no issue with the tasering because I don’t think it exceeded “reasonable or appropriate” force for the reaosns others have pointed out. I’m glad the kid’s not dead or seriously injured, but beyond that, F him.
to be honest,
we don’t know of what anyone at the ballpark is capable. what’s to stop a fan from throwing a d-cell battery at a player’s head? slingshot, knife, pistol…what’s it matter? we can’t possibly prepare for every contingency.
i think this debate speaks to the fact that, as a society, we are dealing with the implementation and enforcement of more zero-tolerance policies. it’s much easier to see “white hats” and “black hats” than it is to sift through the many shades of grey.
i’ll concede the fact that this was a kid on the field, (and therefore <1% of all game-attending fans), but the uncertainty of his actions does not justify an excessive use of force, nor does it exempt us from laughing at his foolishness. after all, this is a 17-year-old kid.
a final thought: how about those two guys rounding third with hank aaron? did they deserve to be tased because we had “no idea what [they were] going to do?” it certainly would’ve made for a more memorable 715.
doesn't anyone remember
the incident with the White Sox a few years ago when a fan and his father ran onto the field and attacked the first base coach. Everyone talks about how the guy in Philly was running on the field and just messing around. Who knows what he was going to do? You run on the field, I have no problem with the guy being tasered.
Welcome to the World Post-911....
…even folks who probably don’t deserve to get tazed – will get tazed. And cops/security personnel who don’t taze them will get fired/sued/second guessed if something else happens. The lawyers will circle the dregs of the situation grinning and licking their chops either way.
Best case scenario: don’t run around the field, everyone loses.
:=8/
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
Perhaps this guy getting tased
will keep some other idiot from running unto another field.
perhaps, but unlikely
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
exactly
this will absolutely change nothing…they are most likely drunk and therefore their rational is blurred also this is the first incident of on the field tasering ive seen and very few people know about this incident
by guillermozeliak on May 4, 2010 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions
and tackling does??
im sorry i don’t think that’s a good point
Rasmus can hit lefties
cardinalred
St. Louis Sports blog
Have you seen the front page of MSN, CNN,
FESPN, FOX Sports? You’d have to live in a cave to have not heard aboot this idiot.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
yeah
they’ve been debating whether this is excessive force on espn ALL DAY LONG. i’m pretty sure anyone who watches sports has heard about it by now.
so was this the first on-field case of tasering?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
in espn story
Philadelphia police spokesman said it was the first time he knew of that a Philadelphia officer had used a Taser on a fan on the field.
So i don’t know
On field...yes
a guy was tased in the stands in Oakland last year, I believe.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
i can see that as being much more likely
and necessary, considering what was likely involved and the mass of people in danger around the incident.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
general public
most people wont hear about this…casual fans…not everyone watches fespn everday….and this story wont be talked about tomorrow
by guillermozeliak on May 4, 2010 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
It's the lead on msn.com
not the sports section…Story NUMBER 1.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
touche
but really who the hell goes to msn :) but i still stand that most people dont care/hear……..more people will here abou the ny bomb
by guillermozeliak on May 4, 2010 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions
if it's indeed the first on-field tasering
it’ll get some play, because it’s a precedent that will be debated, as it was here.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I disagree.
Number one, they don’t know if the guy is armed. We can make assumptions based on the security measures at the gates, but, if I were dealing with someone who jumped onto a field during a game, I would not be willing to bet my safety on the ushers. Number two, the tackle and detain puts both the officer and the criminal in more danger than a simple tazing. I think it is perfectly reasonable. It also acts as a deterrent to the drunken projectile vomiters in the crowd who may be considering the same act.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Really. Just look at that guy.
I think I probably would’ve wanted to tase him even if he HADN’T run onto the field.
Yes, I’m joking…I think.
"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols
hangover style
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
IN THE FACE!!!11
"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."
All this law and order stuff is depressing
It’s a free country. People should be able to streak at sporting events if they’re willing to accept the consequences. Yes, it’s illegal, and we need sufficient deterrents to make sure that disruptions don’t prevent games from taking place, or from taking too long to complete.
That said, in my opinion, the willingness of the public to engage in public pranks is a signature of a free nation. You don’t see this kind of stuff in China or Saudi. (Although you might in Iran, and I bet those security forces would beat the daylights out of people).
Tasers seem a bit heavy handed. The point of tasers is to incapacitate the potentially violent. This guy was a pipsqueak wearing a World Champions shirt.
Let’s not impose the police state quite yet.
So says, Titus Pullo (formerly The Dude)
You're talking about Philly though.
Doesn’t that place have it’s own jail inside the stadium, or was that the old stadium?
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 4, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
That was the Vet
Though I think the Eagles new stadium also has a holding cell.
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
ahhh, The City of Brotherly Love.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 4, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
puts a whole new meaning to the saying
when you think of it in a prison setting….don’t drop the soap
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
to your name
May the 4th be with you!
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
It's true
You may need special rules in a city that snowballed Santa Claus . . .
Hope there’s no taser-happy security at Busch though . . . We’re so polite!
So says, Titus Pullo (formerly The Dude)
so, Titus, who knows whether or not the guy was going to be violent?
could be a public prank or he could have a knife hidden on him or he could simply try to pummel someone with his fists
It's a question of balance
Obviously, you think it’s reasonable to presume that pranksters may have violent aims, and that therefore security is justified in using tasers. Indeed, if you serious contend that this guy was a legitimate threat to knife a player, then security would have been justified in filling him with lead if he broke free to open field.
I’m proposing, however, that the determination that a prankster has violent aims be based upon objective factors before incapacitating force such as tasers be used. Here, there was absolutely no objective indication that the pipsqueak was violent, so the only way you justify the taser is either to say: (i) tasers aren’t a big deal, so taser people even if they aren’t violent, or (ii) when it doubt, presume violent intent.
I interpret you to be favoring the second statement. Since September 11, there certainly has been a sense in the country that we can no longer tolerate certain risks.
This isn’t the way that we addressed these issues in the past, however. Pranks were pranks, and I’m suggesting that the old way of dealing with pranksters, i.e. not tasering them without objective evidence of a threat, is still the better way.
So says, Titus Pullo (formerly The Dude)
TASER's provide much less harm than what might have happened to that guy 30 years ago.
What if one of the players decided he’d had enough of this shit, felt threatened, and literally pummeled the shit out of the little bastard? Would that be ok? Because I could totally see Chris Carpenter whipping the holy shit out of someone that did this while he was pitching.
Who are you to say what is “undue deterrence”. There are enough incidents of violence from this sort of thing that appropriate measures should be taken to prevent it from happening at all costs. Considering that a TASER is relatively harmless to the individual, besides momentary paid and loss of function, I’d say they acted accordingly.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
I've never heard the verb "lunched"
but it sounds disgusting, especially when followed by “on the entrails”
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
I imagine pretty much any verb followed by "on the entrails"
would sound disgusting
Cardinals Baseball 2010...Catch the Infection!
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on May 4, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
well you gotta clean and cook 'em first!
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
i agree with you for the most part, but playing devil's advocate,
do we have to wait for someone to run on the field and harm a player before we decide its okay to taser people who run on the field?
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
Not everyone who runs on the field is equal...
the examples that people have trotted out don’t really fit this case.
The kid was surrounded, and though he was able to run rings around everyone, he wasn’t showing any violent intent. Obviously that’s a judgment call and I’m not advocating that the cop be sanctioned. I’m just pointing out that this streaker was quite similar to thousands of other instances where people run on to the field and don’t perpetrate violence on anyone. I don’t think the police should tase non-violent suspects because in theory anyone could become violent.
Franklin !#@$!&*%#
Oh. come. on.
He clearly had no intention of being violent. Look at his fucking face. The cop tased him because he was too fat to catch him and tackle him.
hind sight is 20/20
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
The guy was running around like an idito when the cop tased him
Any possible threat to the players was over when he had 10 guys chasing him around ian circle.
by vivaelpujols on May 5, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
i think it's obvious that at the point tased
he was no threat. had he been tased immediately out of the stands, then that could be an argument. i love the guy running toward werth with werth set to clock him but the dude yelling “i love you, jason werth” and werth cracking up.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
That doesn't make sense
He IS able to streak at the stadium. And he DID accept the consequences.
You missed the part where I wrote
that tasers were heavy-handed. I wrote that tasers were undue deterrence. I’d say the same if the punishment were a $50,000 fine, a year in jail, or a form of physical punishment like caning.
So says, Titus Pullo (formerly The Dude)
I'm trying to ignore it
’cause, no offense meant since this is the internet, but “police state” comments are really blowing this out of proportion.
there's plenty of emerging evidence that tasers are not
as “non-lethal” as once thought, but seriously: My friends used to taze each other for fun when they were bored (I run with a pretty smart crowd)
Hmmmmm
Tasers seem a bit heavy handed. The point of tasers is to incapacitate the potentially violent. This guy was a pipsqueak wearing a World Champions shirt.
I wonder how this point would go over with Monica Seles or Tom Gamboa. You’re making the assumption that none of these incidents have ever turned violent when there’s ample evidence to the contrary.
The security teams shouldn’t have to make an assumption about what the person is going to do, they should just be given the authority to assume that every person that runs on the field is possibly dangerous to someone on the field and deal with them accordingly.
Comparing the TASING of some stupid kid from Philly trying to get on TV with mass censorship in China and Iran is really over the top, imo. My guess is that if someone interrupted an Iranian state soccer match like this they’d probably just be shot without worrying about consequences.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Hadn't the kid...
already proved a willingness to break the law? Do we have to put “stay off the field…violators will be tazered” signs up to make this ok for everyone?
If you see a guy open the car door for his girlfriend, either the car is new or the girlfriend is.
My point is that not all of these instances are harmless
and if a rule is written that allows them to use a TASER to end the situation than so be it. It’s not like the shot the kid in the leg and then dragged his bleeding body around like a trophy. They simply incapacitated him and took control of the situation. I’m guessing there are a few people who would think about doing something like this that wouldn’t want to be TASERED.
Interestingly, I don’t see many people running onto the field during a football game. Perhaps that’s because some middle linebacker might knock their fucking teeth out?
No harm was done to the idiot by using the TASER on him, and probably less harm was done than could have been done by tackling him.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
someone has actually been destroyed by a linebacker before
pretty sure its somewhere on youtube
Rasmus can hit lefties
cardinalred
St. Louis Sports blog
by stlcardsfan4 on May 5, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
???
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
he would have been better off streaking
because his intent would have been clear, so i don’t think he would have been tasered. obviously his intent wasn’t clear to the guy who shot him, which is unfortunate, since the players did not feel threatened with ill-intent – they were all laughing at the keystone cops.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Yeah.
I don’t necessarily think tasering was the best solution, but…what if the kid had stabbed a ballplayer, or something, and the cop had the means to corral the kid, but hadn’t used it? Then we’d be ripping the cop for not using the stun gun before things got dangerous.
It’s really a double edged sword of sorts, I guess, and ultimately the decision to stun the kid worked out, and no one was hurt. I guess I’d rather be a little too quick on the trigger against a lawbreaker than let it go on too long, and an innocent get hurt.
When I was a bouncer I saw a pipsqueak in a vest
break a guys jaw with one punch you can’t know what a guy is going to do by looking at him.
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
Yeah, but he was running like a loon waving a white towel. (Surrender?)
If you watch the footage, the guy in the white shirt had a good chance to take the guy out from the side or behind but he slowed down! One of the “security” guys was like 80 years old with a hunchback.
You can read it in any tone you like.
My uncle had his career on the force ended when a 135 pound guy
shattered his kneecap and destroyed ligament when my uncle was helping to break up a fight in front of a house. The guy was still ramped up and donkey kicked him when my uncle pulled him out of the fray, there is precisely one person who is at fault for that altercation in Philly and he received a reaction in line with his actions IMO.
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
I wonder if they yelled "Stop or I'll shoot!" if the kid would've stopped.
I see both sides of this argument.
You can read it in any tone you like.
Also, I have a friend who had nearly that exact thing happen to him
and he missed a little time, had some surgery, and went back to work. I’m guessing your uncle’s injury was quite awhile ago?
You can read it in any tone you like.
mid nineties
they moved him to desk work until he had reached minimum retirement age. The point is it isn’t an officers job to get hurt, it is their job to enforce the rules
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
I understand what you're saying.
But part of their job is to correctly assess threats. It was pretty clear this kid wasn’t a threat. He was whooping and twirling a towel like he’d been lobotomized. He wasn’t fighting anyone. He wasn’t even by anyone.
(shrugs) Like I said, I can understand both sides.
You can read it in any tone you like.
by spants on May 4, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Or like he was up on some drug?
Good luck getting someone in that state cooperating without force.
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LOL at that lobotomized line
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I tend to be a libertarian in most things and part of the
bargain involved in being free to be a jackass is being free to accept the consequences of your actions, which in this case may have been harsh but fair IMO.
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
if someone is fighting then they are probably in a violent mood
this kid was more of the antelope being chased by the predator variety. what if he was 12 instead of 17, or what if he was a she?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Good point.
He was just a dumb, goofy kid. Probably has impulse control issues because this sounds like something that a 10-year old would try without thinking.
You can read it in any tone you like.
If he didn't play professional baseball,
I could see Boog doing this. Egged on by Mr. Bombs, of course.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
a few years ago in Tucson
a cop tased a 9 year-old girl. no joke. and i don’t remember this level of media hype.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
I think they are used too quickly in some cases.
Wasn’t an elderly lady also tased? I seem to recall that getting a lot of attention.
You can read it in any tone you like.
wasn't that in Texas?
They’re always quick with the juice down there.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
or florida and a guy in utah in front of his family
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
Houston PD tased a member of the Texans NFL team
For what appeared to be DWB.
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Driving With Bipolar disease?
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i'm posting this link
to the story because the chief of police’s name is Molina. and that’s funny.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
A few thoughts on the incident.
1) Philly fan (in general) had it coming.
2) I bet Don Zimmer would have no problem seeing Pedro get tased.
3) Shannon and Rooney kept calling it a laser. Continuously. I think they mentioned the words “stun gun” at one point, but otherwise … ha, old guys.
@aaronjscott
by musialsuspects on May 4, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions
How awesome would it be
to be one of this dude’s classmates? I cannot imagine the fame/embarrassment he is going through this week.
If you were his classmate what would you say to him the next day at school?
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
Walk up and pat him on the back.
I’ll bet those tasers leave some pretty good marks.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 4, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Calcaterra does a great job dissecting this whole thing.
Hard to disagree with his conclusion that the taser was excessive. Too long to copy the whole thing – really should be read. Link here.
The most common response I’ve heard to this argument today is “but Craig, we don’t know what the kid could have done! There was so much uncertainty!” My response to that: every single encounter between law enforcement and the public brings uncertainty. Ask a cop and he’ll tell you: even the most mundane traffic stop has the potential to turn dangerous quickly. That’s just a fact of life when you’re dealing with people who do wrong, or who are at least suspected of such.
But we don’t allow police officers to use force at every traffic stop or whenever they encounter a drunk or a trespasser. Why? Because such force is not necessary to accomplish the goals of police work. Force — and the the use of a Taser is definitely force — is a last resort, only to be used in a manner commensurate with the threat presented and to overcome the obstacles which prevent the accomplishment of the officer’s goal. This is the law. It also happens to be a pretty good idea.
I still say tase him
there needs to start being a price for stupid
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i like to imagine how this would go down if it happened while carpenter was on the mound
i like to think he would take the taser from the cop and smack the kid in the head with it.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
Carp wouldn't need the taser, he'd just drill him with a fastball.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 4, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
hasn't worked yet
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Maybe we should shoot anyone in the face who steps on the field
Or cut off fingers for shoplifting. Those would be deterrents!
Stupidity is not going to disappear because cops ran around and tased people for stepping out of line. The punishment still needs to fit the crime.
/rant
I wouldn't be opposed to shooting in the face with a bean bag or something
might as well get some enjoyment out of the deal for us non-stupids
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but I paid 2.99 for a certificate that shows my IQ is 132...
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Shooting someone in the face with a bean bag gun is very dangerous.
Like, serious brain injury or death dangerous.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on May 4, 2010 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I know...
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I watched a demo of a bean bag gun.
And after seeing what it could do to a metal trash can…no thanks.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 4, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought that was a joke
until I saw a commercial while at BWW a while back.
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Even funnier
is the SNL take-off, with the actual commercial below it.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on May 4, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh yeah,
Pink Tanktop is totally in on it.
@aaronjscott
by musialsuspects on May 4, 2010 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, i don't think they should have even had to tackle him
they had 10 guys out there, just close him in and tell him to lay down. if he didn’t comply at that point, i’d show him the taser, and if he still didn’t i’d have no problem with tasering him.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
This is really the point to me
The point that law enforcement officials are making is that using a taser is really pretty equivalent to using other non-lethal hand to hand applications of force. I think that is probably right. The kid was evading apprehension and thus they were going to have to use force.
Yeah, but it's not really the same as tasing
Police are trained to tackle people in an efficient manner and put cuffs on them, they don’t tackle to try to knock the guy out or hurt him. The cop tased the guy because he wanted to knock him out.
why do the police have to put themselves in harms way to ensure the comfort of
guys like this? why should they endanger themselves when there are options available that keep everyone from suffering permanent damage. I am the first one to say that an officer who uses a Taser on a person who is verbally confronting them is breaking the law, but in this case they are charged with protecting people from all threats and have to use every tool at their disposal to end situations like this as quickly and safely as possible.
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
I want to know why there was only one cop on the field with them.
One cop and a few on-field personnel.
You can read it in any tone you like.
Police have to do their jobs regardless of the difficulty
Or else they shouldn’t be policemen!
Like I said, this would have been even easier if the policemen had a machine gun. It would have been a hell of a lot easier to stop the guy if he took out an Oozy.
spelling nazi just seems appropriate here
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
The Uzi was invented and produced by Israel,
so, not so historically accurate.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I'm not sure what you mean here
Were you “KIDDING” in the colloquial sense, i.e. referring to a “joke” of some kind, or were you behaving in imitation of the manner of a “KID” — a young human or goat?
you know you really have had to put up
with a lot of sass since you made your sig less intimidating
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
are you thevole?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
gdm is probably not
/just a wild guess
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
What if it's not just a deterrant?
What if it’s protection for the cop? And I don’t mean from the kid knifing him or even beating him up.
Understanding that the cop is “doing his job”, why should a 40 year old man be subjected to months of rehab from knee/shoulder/whatever else surgery because some 17 year old punk wants to be a jackass?
Why must we always protect the rule-breakers first?
To quickly catch the kid (which really should be done out of respect for the other thousands of spectators and participants) without the use of “undue” (sic) force may have required a half-dozen cops. Should the people of Philadelphia and Pennsylvania continue to pay money for 17 year olds to be allowed to be jackasses without the fear of being tasered?
Forget the police state. I’m more worried about the nanny state.
by soil_illini on May 4, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
well, they did have more than a half-dozen folks out there...
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
They should've been throwing banana peels in front of the guy.
You can read it in any tone you like.
Maybe some different colored shells while they were at it
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by jd is legend on May 4, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
perhaps just better training (common sense) for those half-dozen
like, when a guy is boxed in a corner, don’t chase him out of it.
i’m not really going to lose any sleep over the guy getting tased. i just think it’s a little over the top. and i consider good kids who have done stupid things that i have coached, and if one of them got tased i’d have a stronger opinion. in this case, the argument is much more abstract.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Calcaterra's analogies are faulty because
…at every traffic stop, people aren’t actively evading arrest. So, if he wants to make an analogy it should be to someone evading arrest, not complying with an officer’s instructions.
Also, much of the argument that a police officer should not use excessive force comes from the fact that we don’t want him/her to use force against people who are actually not breaking the law (e.g., think of the discretion to arrest in the case of public intoxication on a street, etc.)
Here, there was zero doubt that the individual was in the course of breaking the law, so the above was not a concern.
by Willie McGee's Twin on May 4, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with you wholeheartedly on the analogy to a traffic stop.
Comparing someone running around a baseball field while being pursued by police to someone who is sitting in their care after having stopped when a police officer flashed his lights is like comparing apples to fire trucks. More apt would be to compare tasing this individual to someone who pulled over for the traffic stop and then took off running down an alley and refuses to stop.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on May 4, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions
and i think, in that situation, most of us would not see a huge problem if the cop tased him.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
I think that is a different situation.
The kid was a trespasser, no doubt. But he was running around aimlessly, was not combative, and was unarmed. He was on a field with lights surrounded by team personnel, not hiding down a dark alley about to ambush.
Put another way, would you be in favor of tasing that lady that used to run on tennis courts or wherever and try to kiss people? The threat level must be a factor in the equation.
Tasers are designed to immediately assuage a serious threat. They aren’t meant to merely subdue disorderly – it is a serious use of force that has lead to the deaths of hundreds of people.
46/year seems arbitrary
The head of the U.S. southern regional office of Amnesty International, Jared Feuer, reported that 277 people in the United States have died after being shocked by a Taser between June 2001 and October 2007
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When used properly, however:
A study led by William Bozeman, of the Wake Forest University Baptist Medical Center, of nearly 1,000 persons subjected to Taser use, concluded that 99.7% of the subjects had either minor injuries, such as scrapes and bruises, or none at all; while three persons suffered injuries severe enough to need hospital admission, and two other subjects died. Their autopsy reports indicated neither death was related to the use of a Taser.25 26
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
I think we are on the same side of this argument?
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permission?
(sorry if posted somewhere else)
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
I'm starting to think Its Always Sunny may actually be a documentry.
It’s just an exceedingly terribly accurate representation of that city.
wow
"He said, ‘Dad, can I run onto the field?" Wayne Consalvi said, the newspaper reported. "I said, ‘I don’t think you should, son.’ "
I’m sure this is exactly how the conversation went…. your son asks you if he can run onto the field and you respond like this… i doubt it
Rasmus can hit lefties
cardinalred
St. Louis Sports blog
they tased the wrong guy then
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
are you suggesting they should have tased
the dad?
Rasmus can hit lefties
cardinalred
St. Louis Sports blog
yes
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
i agree
his dad sounds… not so bright… but neither does the kid
Rasmus can hit lefties
cardinalred
St. Louis Sports blog
Oh please
The kid is 17 years old, probably going to be 18 pretty soon. He’s old enough to make his own decisions. What could dad done over the phone to prevent his son from doing it?
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dad laser beams
issued to all new fathers
it’s hell reading the instructions, though
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
we know DanUp is all right? this isn't some mid-typing incident?
someone had a nightmare of Tony sitting and watching them. waiting.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I believe he's posting this from The Castle of Aaaauuuggghhhh.....
by brackenthebox on May 4, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Isn't there a St. Aaaauuggghhhves in Cornwall?
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by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on May 4, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
there's something we say after this, and I can't put my finger on it
“My cutter hasn’t been very good, so I’m not throwing it as much. It’s pretty simple,” Carpenter said. “If I’m getting hurt by a pitch, I’m not going to throw it until I straighten it out. Makes sense, doesn’t it?”
Carpenter says he has replaced reliance on his cut fastball with greater emphasis on a change-up and a curveball. He emphasized Monday that nothing is wrong with his sinking, two-seam fastball.
“It’s called pitching,” he said. “Everything’s working except the cutter. So I’m using my curve more and my change more. It’s making an adjustment.”
link
something about effing up batters. except I’m sure that’s not what we said last year…
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
the proper resopnse:
“you’re absolutely right, Mr Carpenter. I humbly apologize the for the idiotic question”
by _pistol_ on May 4, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
we got this last year, too.
I am off my game, I can’t remember how we finished it off.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
can you imagine trying to interview Carp
much less asking him what’s wrong with him?
Rasmus can hit lefties
cardinalred
St. Louis Sports blog
tim linecum would also like a word.
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by stlcardinalsfang on May 4, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
There's a bit of a line forming here....
Which is all good news for getting home field in the World Series, right?
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Until Ryan Theriot, the Cubs' lone representative, boots a potential game-ending grounder
in the bottom of the 9th, extending the inning for Paul Konerko who hits a walk-off 3-run HR
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Oddly enough
the Cubs probably deserve to have quite a few all star game representatives…and Theriot wasn’t one of them.
Their middle relief
has been top notch the last couple weeks, I hear
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Carlos Marmol has been extremely good. You seen his K/9 rate? Heh. Their entire outfield has been exceptionally productive, as well. And they have two SP (Wells, Gorzelanny) who have been stellar. Wells is suffering from a near .400 BABIP, but has a better FIP than any Cards starter.
I honestly don’t know how they’re only a .500 team with the way they’ve performed so far. Either they’ll start winning, as they play up to how they’ve actually been playing, or the guys off to good starts will start sucking properly, and they’ll regress as a whole to…still being around .500.
I like seasons where I could care less what the Cubs do
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Oh, I agree.
It ultimately doesn’t matter what they do, because we have the superior team. I was just a little shocked at how well some of their guys were doing, considering they were barely sniffing .500.
because their 3-4 hitters are sucking
the rest have padded their numbers recently against brewers pitching followed by benefiting from the wind blowing out at wrigley
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
probably not
by “the rest” i was referencing their outfielders, who i thought he was talking about.
otoh, i’d imagine some guys are more prone to walk with the wind blowing out. not sure soto is one of them, but i’d guess pitchers are a little more cautious under those conditions.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
batting in front of the pitcher helps
but kudos for showing patience
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Off Brad Lidge
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
CDGAFATASG
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
Quit killing words!
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
i'm sorry. i have participated in this blog for years. if people cannot be bothered to write out actual words,
i can’t participate in the continued murder, disembowelment, and high-altitude defenestration of the english language. to prove the seriousness of my dedication to and love of the english language, i will now stop posting on a baseball blog.
/slams door loudly on way out.
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by tom s. on May 4, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions 16 recs
"Jesus would slap the s—— out of you"
said the bumper sticker I saw the other day.
@aaronjscott
by musialsuspects on May 4, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
would jesus have tasered?
that is the question.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
pretty sure he was a Carpenter
so you have to ask yourself whether he was more Karen or Chris
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
carp probably considers tasering as wuss
i have no doubt he could’ve “barked” in the dude’s face and put him down
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
TALKSPLODE
a la Black Bolt of the Inhumans.
@aaronjscott
by musialsuspects on May 4, 2010 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Yet,
he refuses to utilize capital letters…
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on May 4, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
that's what I was thinking
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
I am going to keep lobbying for
“Where Words Come To Die” to replace “an unofficial Cardinals blog” on the front page.
Tongue in cheek?
i presume?
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
tongue in cheek?
i presume?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
seriously
Did I miss the Carp doesn’t give a f*ck rapture or is he just kidding?
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
he's kidding.
someone the other day got mad about the acronyms and left the blog. s/he said VEB is where words come to die.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
It's a reference to uh....
that hypocrite!!
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
btw, good investigating
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
"high-altitude defenestration" is a term one can only say with a tongue lodged firmly in cheek.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
That's actually the only way to get the proper pronunciation of
“defenstration,” having one’s tongue lodged firmly in cheek.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on May 4, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
i'll say it
he’s not in the same class right now as the other three.
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by stlcardinalsfang on May 4, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I would be happy
if none of the Cardinals were to participate in that sham of an exhibition.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
doesn't TLR have to go?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
oh wait, that was a coincidence from last year
well, it’s possible Cholly will choose the same pokemon. er, assistants.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
It's one of those niceties....
the game is in your park, I’d like for you to assist me.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
all these baseball rules
I’ll never spit like a baseball player, at this rate.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
if you were Cholly, which pokemon would you choose?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Don't know.....
A couple of guys who’ve never been there.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
well, i assume bobby cox will be chosen
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
This makes sense....
guys who haven’t been there, and the guy who won’t be again.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
don't know if he's been
but bud black could be deserving
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
don't let him swing the bat, nooooo!
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Garcia?
It’s in an AL park and they’re using DH for every all-star game from now on.
"When I gave up a grand slam to Pete LaCock," Bob Gibson said later, "I knew it was time to quit."
by The Classical on May 4, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
...it's a joke.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Yes, the DH is a joke.
"When I gave up a grand slam to Pete LaCock," Bob Gibson said later, "I knew it was time to quit."
by The Classical on May 4, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
don't make me
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Maybe a reason for Garcia's success
Is that he is such a ground ball dominant pitcher and this is the best defense he has ever had behind him before.
And the most pitcher-friendly home park, I'd imagine.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
hey, where did christy mathewson's ghost go? he was right here a month ago . . . .
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
Note: July 10th Cards at Astros - discounted tickets...
I have no idea how you all became aware of this
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
by TBender on May 4, 2010 11:25 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
holy crap
I’m a Cardinals fan living in Dallas, so this is actually amazing. The drive to Houston will suck, but cheap tickets help. Thanks, thanks, thanks.
I just drove from NE MO
to Austin and back in 2 days, don’t complain about Dallas to Houston for a Cards game =p
You are a saint!
I’m going to sit on that stupid LF wall and yell about how much I hate Minute Maid Park.
"If I'm in a slump, I ask myself for advice" - Ichiro
Just helping Uncle Drayton fill his ballpark
He’s going to need some help this year.
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Just a month into the season
and already BCB is blathering on about The Loss Column™
I think it was tongue-in-cheek, but you just never know with these dopes.
It probably comes from Brenly
He’s a believer in the loss column and talks about it occasionally on the broadcasts.
Not to quibble,
but isn’t the run differential column “the most revealing trend-line column,” as opposed to the loss column?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
cubs logic
I’d also point out that the Cardinals team ERA right now is 2.58. The best team in baseball usually has a team ERA around 3.50 or higher at the end of the season. For example, last year the Los Angeles Dodgers finished with a 3.41 ERA and the Giants were in second place with 3.55 ERA. In this decade, the best team ERA was the Atlanta Braves with 3.13 ERA and the Giants were in second place with 3.54 ERA.
Unless the Cardinals pitching this year is going to be the best pitching staff of all time or the offense is going to pick it up a notch, this team will start losing some games. If we were able to sweep the Cardinals (tall order for sure but possible), we suddenly would only be two games back.
i get what he’s saying, but he doesn’t know what he’s talking about… our offense has been down… skip, ryan, and holliday all could very well make up the difference
Rasmus can hit lefties
cardinalred
St. Louis Sports blog
is that Al wrote that?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
i don't understand why we think jaime will regress to a third starter guy
One of the things that stood out about Garcia in the minors is the way he was always just excellent. Some pitching prospects put up great numbers in the low minors and suffer rough adjustments as they climb the ladder, but each of Garcia’s three full seasons in the minor leagues look like a season the same pitcher could have put up. They look like lines he could put up in the majors. Given his start now, they look like lines he could put up now.
obviously, he can’t have a 1.3 ERA or whatever, but if was excellent throughout the minors, why can’t he be excellent now? and also, can you imagine if he continues to be excellent this year? we could have 4 guys who could be aces on almost any other team. that’s amazing.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
i'm just scared of his injury history, personally. and looming.
respect the GOB, y’all…
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
i think the key factor will be watching his GB% - it dropped from around 70% to 65% after last game.
if he can keep his GB% around pineiro land and limit his walks, i’ll be very pleased.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
Piñeiroland is the best of the parks
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
it's so much better than the one in Kicksavia
though you’d think it would be the opposite.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Agreed
Another thing I’m watching is his H/9. He gave up 8.3 hits per nine innings in the minors, so far this year he’s given up just over 5. Considering:
- He isn’t striking a lot of hitters out — 8.3 in the minors but only 6.47 after last night’s start in 2010
- His BABIP against is currently .220 and he’s sporting a 13.3% line drive rate, both well below average.
- He has yet to give up a homer.
I’d say that he’s due to regress at least some over the course of the year. Sure, our defense has been good, but it isn’t limiting opponents to a 13.3% line drive rate. I would guess that if his LD% regresses, his hits per 9 will go up and he’ll give up a few more runs because of it. That said, he’s still way above average for the last guy to make the staff.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
is H/9 one of those things that the pitcher has control over?
or is that governed by luck, like HR/FB?
Agreed
“He has yet to give up a homer.”
+1000 to this. Let’s go ask Chris Carpenter about home runs.
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
avoided it by inches last night
i gotta give him credit, because i thought he’d give up one in philly
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Go answer some saber baseball questions to attempt to win money:
http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2010/5/3/1453922/32-predictions-contest-v-2010#storyjump
I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons
I really enjoyed some of the pairings.
My favorite is whether Yuniesky Betancourt’s OPS will be higher than Pujols’s SLG.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Hah, yes.
I liked the Dunn-Gutierrez one.
I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons
I said Pujols SLG
Betancourt is that bad.
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
who can name all our IBB'd players?
bonus points for UIBB
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Pujols, Holliday, Rasmus
Past that, others will have to help. Did Freese or Yadi get one in front of the pitcher at some point?
"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols
I believe Yadi got 2 in one game
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
also, I have moved on from conspiracy theory to nutjob TLR suggestion
that's the one
i ask ‘cause we’re leading the league in IBBs. uh, if I read that Gooldblog correctly.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Freese makes the front page of yahoo fantasy
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
i blame this on albrtfn... which letters have been knocked out of the BIG MAC sign in the past calendar year?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I and C
shouldn’t only the first one be my fault?
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
free association. it's a disease.
actually, I don’t know the answer, because I think Matt Holliday knocked out a different letter during practice, last year. but I can’t recall which. i wanna say M or A.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
they could put some transparent netting over the sign, couldn't they? just for safety?
because I would love to see more letters knocked out… by our guys, of course.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
hmmm...
that’s news to me
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
this must have flown over my head at the time...
We have McDonald’s to blame for besmirching our glory.
The Cardinals apparently left it up to McDonald’s when the sign would be fixed and it just so happens that the bulbs popped by Pujols’ home run were replaced with bright, new, shiny yellow tubes just in time for the, oh, Home Run Derby and All-Star Game. La Russa and other Cardinals officials had championed the idea that the "I" should remain dark throughout this season (10@10)
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I think they should make it a promotion
Like for every letter that gets knocked out of the sign, you take a dollar off the big mac meal for STL area McD’s for the remainder of the season. If they all get knocked out, they can start the promotion over again. That would be a sweet deal. It would have to only include game HRs though, probably.
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
well those cheapos never even gave Albert a burger
so I’m not holding my breath
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I found it! kinda.
it’s Sept 9 (10@10)
You can read all about that in Post-Dispatch baseball writer Joe Strauss’ game story this morning – complete with a snappy lede about about another bit of damage inflicted on "BIG MAC LAND" — and elsewhere.
however it was an article, so its link goes nowhere. I have yet to dig back, but I’m almost sure it got caught in VEB.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
SSS fun, once again...
And I’ve done this before, but hey, now it’s a month into the season, and even though I know there will be regression to the mean, still:
Four of the Cardinals’ five starters have FIPs at or below 3.00. The fifth is Chris Carpenter, who, clearly, DGAFASSS.
"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols
the best part it...
the odd man out isn’t who everyone thinks it is.
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by stlcardinalsfang on May 4, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly.
Kyle Lohse, for all the gnashing of teeth, stands at 3.00. (I’m sure the gem he pitched the last time out probably helped that one a decent amount, but still.)
"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols
actually, believe it or not
his FIP went up after saturday’s outing.
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by stlcardinalsfang on May 4, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Dang. Even better!
Seriously…even assuming regression to the mean (and I’m just eyeballing this, and perhaps rounding a little in our favor as well), if (knock on wood) our rotation stays reasonably healthy through the season, the basement of our rotation is, more or less, Jason Marquis’ 2004 season. (AKA, back when we still liked Jason Marquis.)
"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols
i'm trying not to look at the numbers too seriously
because i get wayyyyy too excited when i do. it’s almost like i expect something to go wrong at some point because they can’t keep going this well consistently.
i mean, right? no way this actually happens.
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by stlcardinalsfang on May 4, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
After Joel Pineiro's season last year,
I don’t know that anything will shock me anymore.
"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols
good news for us
this makes Chris Carpenter very, very angry.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
man
nothing like seeing a 250-300 comment thread where 150 of it was about whether they should have tackled or tased the douche from last night. that was rather exhausting to wade through.
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by stlcardinalsfang on May 4, 2010 1:52 PM EDT reply actions
someone I talked to today said they should have tackled him too
I really didn’t see any reason why they shouldn’t have tased him. he knew that he was doing something illegal. and it’s different than tasing legal protesters, if that’s what the concern is.
dumb phillies fans
he is a bit eccentric
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 4, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Especially when the REAL Question....
is whether or not we should taze those racing sausages…
;=8)
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
Only if it'll cook them properly.
Man, I’m jonesing for a brat.
"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols
tazed brat
that pretty aptly describes the Phillies kid, huh?
by mattyp on May 4, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
I think the real issue, which no one has mentioned
is that this kid is obviously a big phillies fan. now he’s probably banned from CBP for life. Also, he is supposedly heading to Penn State next year. now he has a criminal record. i mean, this kid is a dumbass.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
exactly. because he never gets to go back.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
by IHeartBoog on May 4, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i've always wondered how they enforce those bans though.
like, it’s kind of obvious they’re not going to post his picture up on every gate and tell all their ticket takers to not allow him in.
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by stlcardinalsfang on May 4, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
but Butthead looked same every season?
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
that asshole is 17?
what an idiot! i can’t believe that. he can’t even blame intoxication (hypothetically).
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by stlcardinalsfang on May 4, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
according to the ESPN poll
the only state that felt the taser was excessive was the one shaped like a ‘V’
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
they claim sobriety
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
He's not going to be charged at all...
the Phillies will run screaming from the whole situation to avoid a lawsuit + more bad press.
Franklin !#@$!&*%#
Then there won't be anything on his record. Slate stays clean.
You can read it in any tone you like.
Right, but even if he is..
charged, it will (presumably) be as a minor and then that disappears too.
Franklin !#@$!&*%#
then all the more reason to tase him! there were no consequences, after all!!!
/still playing devil’s advocate
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
I (and yadi) approve of the tase all children perspective
"There's a lot of things we say that don't make sense to our viewers. Okay, primarily me." ~Al Hrabosky~
I can't wait until my son's old enough to tase
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
by STLRegalia on May 4, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
that's a good lesson for him
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
banned for life
Once the immediate publicity dies down, i wouldn’t be surprised to see charges nolle prossed in return for an agreement not to sue.
And if the ban is enforced by staff as efficient as the cop who chased him, he could probably see as many games as he likes, sitting in the owner’s box.
wtf lineup
greene
luddy
albert
holliday
freese
yadi
mather
waino
boog
wat
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
be glad he's not at second.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
The first appearance of the all righty lineup
for that handsome devil Mr. Hamels?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
tyler at second?
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
*Much* better.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on May 4, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
if not tyler, who?
boog? i wouldn’t want to mess with his 9-spot mojo. maybe freese. but he’s raking, he needs to be in an RBI spot. mather?
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
A fair question.
And one I don’t really have the answer to. He’s really as good as any other option. Maybe Freese?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on May 4, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd just stick with Greene.
Lopez will take that spot when he’s in for Skip, once he’s back, of course. So messing as little as possible with other things seems the prudent course of action.
umm... our usuall lead off man
seems to be doing okay against the lefties
"There's a lot of things we say that don't make sense to our viewers. Okay, primarily me." ~Al Hrabosky~
too bad he can't hit righties now
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on May 4, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
put him in center? he's hitting better than mather...
/full-circled
"There's a lot of things we say that don't make sense to our viewers. Okay, primarily me." ~Al Hrabosky~
that'd be hilarious
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
he must have worked so hard on lefties this off season
that he forgot how to hit righties….that and every ball he manages to hit hard is directly as somebody
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
i was actually asking a serious rather than rhetorical question.
boog has lodged some time at second in his life.
tyler at second makes perfect sense.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
i think everyone took my "greene at second?" question as incredulous or suggesting that tony was wrong.
i was really asking, informationally, “is tyler greene playing second?” as in, not at shortstop.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
I didn't take it quite that way.
But I see what you’re saying.
You can read it in any tone you like.
until it happens
never doubt tony’s imagination
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
you and me both.
when’s his return?
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
May 11 at the earliest
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Throwing off a mound tomorrow I hear.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
by RiverRat on May 4, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
rec
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
i see what you did there.
"The outfield is deep and playing him straight-away, and the infield is the same, except first, second, third, and short are playing him to pull."
-Mike Shannon
The patented (and, perhaps, also trademarked) TLR all-righties-vs-lefty-starter-lineup.
Can’t say that I’m surprised.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on May 4, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
We did this last year...
against Clayton Kershaw… Luddy let the ball get past him for a triple, then Rasmus had to save his ass in the ninth with the single to tie against Broxton. Rasmus has to be playing.
Franklin !#@$!&*%#
I agree
I was OK with him platooning vs. lefties last year, but Clobby has shown he’s better against lefties this year. Part of that was TLR’s doing, letting him start at least 1 game against a lefty this year iirc.
"If I'm in a slump, I ask myself for advice" - Ichiro
he can.
anyone can. if he can pitch, he can play 2B for sure.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
Provided that pitching doesn't cause an elbow injury.
But, given your pining above, I don’t need to tell you that.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on May 4, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
........
2010 St. Louis Cardinals - Sinkers and Dingers
by jd is legend on May 4, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i just watched the beginning of last nights game
because i missed the boog and bombs handshake, which was AMAZING.
but i told you that to tell you this: OMG Dan is FAT.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
Yes. Yes he is.
He’s way bigger than Al. Didn’t used to be that way.
You can read it in any tone you like.
I'm so sad I haven't been able to see fat Dan this year.
Anyone have a picture of fat Dan?
"If I'm in a slump, I ask myself for advice" - Ichiro
i will get you a screen shot
its really something.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
i do not know how to paste a screen shot, apparently.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
Maybe he got an endorsement offer from weight watchers
With the stipulation that he had to put on an extra 50lbs first.
"If I'm in a slump, I ask myself for advice" - Ichiro
actually he apparently had to start taking medication
for a heart condition. The meds supposedly cause bloating and weight gain.
hopefully he is never tasered
i understand that could lead to death with a heart condition.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
yeah, I was just trying to make people feel like
asses, its a favorite pastime of mine. Fatty probably just had too much glazed ham and spareribs.
by mattyp on May 4, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
rec for you
that made me laugh
"Who is the most underrated actor of all time?" - Charlie
"That's easy - Dolph Lundgren" - Mac
didn't he recently have twins or something too?
as someone who has just started taking off his pregnancy weight, I feel his pain
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
If you hit
Alt+PrintScreen instead of just PrintScreen it will only capture the active window.
Just an FYI
Albert Pujols is ridiculous.
thanks! that's what i spent forever trying to figure out.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
I assume this isn't online?
I miss all this crap you people who get the games on cable see. You bastards.
Freese
didn’t really start to hit exceptionally well until April rolled over into May. He’s been lights out the last few games. So I can’t really fault Heyward for getting the award in April, at least, over Freese. Jaime is a different story, perhaps. The app important WINZ metric worked against him, I suspect. If he’d had 3 or 4 wins, he wins the award, even with identical peripherals. Such is the life of the mainstream media.
Heyward was better than Freese
although their peripherals were fairly comparable in some regards, but Heyward just out-slugged Freese and racked up better counting stats. And don’t forget this doesn’t include the last few games. If it did (and included Jamie’s performance last night), I don’t see how you don’t give it to Jaime.
Right.
Heyward was no doubt better than Freese in April. It’s just exceptionally hard to compare a Hitter and a Pitcher. Jaime and Heyward were both worth 0.9 WAR in April, and since Heyward had the expectations on him, it was effectively the tiebreaker, I guess.
heyward was player of the month on fangraphs by, i believe, wpa
not just rookie, but player. also, jaime is a bit overshadowed by the star power on this team, whereas heyward IS the star of that team.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Not sure if this has been mentioned
David Freese on the Yahoo Fantasy Sports page…
....my quick smells like french toast...
Twitter: @mstreeter06
Regarding that Howard extension
it’s more and more of a travesty the more I think of it. Imagine how Chase Utley must feel? He’s locked up for 5 more years at like. 12 million a year. And Howard will make more than twice what he does?
yup, so in one fell swoop the Phils
front office incurred the ire of just about every other GM in baseball, managed to insult the team’s best player (Utley), brought the future signing of Werth into doubt, hamstrung the team’s financial resources for years to come, locked up 100+ million in a pretty one-dimensional player…uh, am i missing anything else? Idiots.
Added unneeded aggravation to every Cardinal fan
For this season and next, especially if you’re constantly surrounded by a large population of Yankee fans who feel the compulsion to say, “Pujols is going to look good as our DH in a couple years” every time you see them.
by olddomination on May 4, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I would just laugh at them every time
they put Albert Pujols and DH in the same sentence. APu would never consider being a dh only, unless he was aboot 50, IMHO.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
i agree, and no yankees fan will buy this.
come ON, they say. he gets to play in pinstripes and make a billion dollars. for $35MM a year he’ll be the mascot.
they don’t know Pujols like we do.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
almost certainly a repost but a search for "ribs" came up with nothing so alas
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
(spins around) 'Hi, Im Brendan Ryan...'
"So do you like 'Little Women'?"
"Yeah, I'm not too picky. Ya' know."
the intro just absolutely killed me
python-esque imo
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
by slu on May 4, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions
God damn, Jaime is such a badass at all times
Took this screencap because he’s such a cool mother trucker:
I struck out him, and him, and him.
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
sorta like this
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
by slu on May 4, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions
favorite A.D.A.M. pic of all time. screen saver for awhile.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
"I gots the curveball, you gots the briefcase"
"...and pujols has given st louis the lead"
The Best Defensive Play I Have Seen in Person
follow me on teh twitterz @greenfieldt
by tgreenfield on May 4, 2010 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
heh
they won those two games by a combined score of 37-4. i have to question the level of competition just a bit.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
still, that's awesome
didn’t mean to diminish the kid’s feat
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I saw a bumper sticker the other day that read
“WHERE THE H—— IS LAMPE
6 miles north of Blue Eye, MO”
If that gives you any idea.
@aaronjscott
by musialsuspects on May 4, 2010 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, i didn't exactly recognize any of those towns mentioned
there’s a small lutheran high school in chicagoland – knew a kid went there so he could catch varsity his freshman year, but a week into practice one kid got hurt and the team had to disband because they only had 8 and couldn’t talk anyone else into playing.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Well, guys.....
…time to install Photoshop CS5 and give it a whirl. If all works out, quality of work will be better….I’m hella interested in this “content-aware fill” they’ve worked into the program.
Note: Above comment may contain gratuitous amounts of sarcasm.
BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS
Hey Houston,
Suck it; you suck
Interesting.
Did you acquire this program the way I think you did? I had CS4 but I went back to CS2 because I liked it better.
You can read it in any tone you like.
I finally upgrade to CS4,
so I’m not switching to CS5 any time soon. Nor am I upgrading to Aperture 3.
@aaronjscott
by musialsuspects on May 4, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions
i've heard the content-aware fill is not as good as it was talked up to be
that being said… please let us know if it’s worth me going out and getting CS5 for it. i’m still using CS3 as of now…
"The outfield is deep and playing him straight-away, and the infield is the same, except first, second, third, and short are playing him to pull."
-Mike Shannon
i'm not even a photoshop person
but i watched a video on that content aware fill stuff and it looks really cool
not perfect, though:
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on May 4, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah horrible
And I’m a Family Guy fan
....my quick smells like french toast...
Twitter: @mstreeter06
he cites the run differential
but i thought the angels were the team that always outperforms their pythag – am i thinking of a different team?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
What's with
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on May 4, 2010 5:50 PM EDT reply actions
it's not fair to compare pitcher-face pictures. they're all bad.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
the worst part of this is
We’re gonna be treated to Joe Morgan et al talking about tasers all. night. long. on Wednesday.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
i just gagged a little
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
ill give u 10:1
he doesnt even mention it
by guillermozeliak on May 4, 2010 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions
jon miller likely will
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
in case anyone cares
Francisco Samuel to the #SGF Cardinals, Chuckie Fick to the 7-day DL retroactive to May 3. 35 minutes ago via TweetDeck
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
so samuel was demoted?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
if that's what the hashtag says, I guess so
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I really, really need that flash card.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
ha
why in the world was he in palm beach – did he begin the season with a demotion?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
FR says he was coming back from shoulder discomfort
and he was in extended spring training before Palm Beach
moar
B_Walton RHP P.J. Walters activated by Memphis and will start Thursday. Tyler Norrick to DL. #stlcards #hpgf 2 minutes ago via TweetDeck
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
i blame azru.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
hh
which is now short for hater’s (gotta) hate
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
That hash tag threw me off
I thought we traded him to the Giants
2010 St. Louis Cardinals - Sinkers and Dingers
justin bieber is a baller
anyone see the video?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
we don't tolerate that type of language here
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
it was at the cell
where was the father/son duo when you need them?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
oh, people care
people care a lot.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
it's like i'm eating my own face!
"There's a lot of things we say that don't make sense to our viewers. Okay, primarily me." ~Al Hrabosky~
were you the one last year
linked to a comment in the thread that was just a link back to the link?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
dangit. did anything awesome happen in the pre-game?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
the Phanatic has challenged big head to a duel.
I have never seen him so animated.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
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