The Good News Weekend

i didn’t read the name on the post before commenting, though

thanks buddy!

(but i’m not giving you any of that money, in case you were wondering)

i had no idea of that fact either.

I don’t have a fundamental problem with BABIP because of this.

BABIP, fundamentally, shouldn’t include home runs, because they are balls that can’t be fielded, and the equation does take them out of both sides, effectively eliminating them in large samples. However, it needs to be noted that players how have a high HR/H ratio (guys like Dave Kingman and Adam Dunn come to mind, as well as a lot of other 3TO players) are always going to have a well below average BABIP in small samples sizes (and in Kingman’s case, over his whole career) because both sides of the equation are not equal in their adjustment of home runs.

As long as we use BABIP in the context of HR/H and with available batted ball data, we can avoid these type of issues. I’m a big believer that BABIP by itself shouldn’t be used to determine whether a player was “lucky” or “unlucky” over any size sample of at-bats.

so, some rough, in my head math, under those assumptions would put him around .250-.275 BABIP if all 12 of those HRs stayed in play.

But the underlying mechanics of the whole thing are nearly impossible to know. Without fences, defenses might be forced to play an entirely different style of defenses in order to limit as many extra base hits as possible, while giving up more base hits. Or they might play closer to the infield, knowing that most of the home run balls hit now would probably only go for triples in a park with no outfield fences, since they could relay the ball in quicker than most players could circle the bases.

I was merely pointing out that saying he’s been “unlucky” because his BABIP is only .197 is a misstated due to the context of where his hits have been.

Doc: “Why look Darlin’! It’s Johnny Ringo, faaaaaaastest gun out West since Wild Bill they say! What do you think Darlin’? Should I hate him?”

Kate: “You don’t even know him…”

Doc: "Yes, that’s true, but still, there’s just somethin about him. Kinda reminds me of………me!
“Nope, I’m sure of it, I HATE ’IM!!”

people have been calling him one of the worst pitchers in baseball due to his ERA and K/9.

well, after his saturday appearance he lowered his FIP to an extremely low 2.98 and raised his K/9 to 4.66 with is 8 Ks. so, i’m not worried.

…to the above article vis a vi mechanics:

 Greg Judy 11303 Gameday_dump_ge5k6693_comment posted about 1 year ago 1238006069 701734 Greg

    Here are my theories: Year round baseball hurts pitchers. Now-a-days, most major leaguers played travel year round baseball when they younger, mostly starting at the age of 7. This hurts pitchers’ arms because they need a break. They cannot be expected to pitch year round. Look at Tom Seaver, Nolan Ryan, Bob Gibson, and the other pitchers you mentioned in your article. These players pitched before the time of year-round travel ball. They simply played baseball in the summer and concentrated on other sports in the winter.

    Also, kids now are taught to throw a curve ball around the age of nine. I just finished a college course called “Prevention and Care of Sports Injuries”. In that course, I studied the mechanisms of arm injuries. I found that pitchers should not start throwing a curve until they are of the high school age. By the way, Whitey Ford said he never threw a curve until he was 16.

    Another factor as to why modern pitchers do not last as long as previous pitchers is mechanics. Look at the windup style of Seaver compared to most pitchers today. Seaver used all legs; arms were secondary. Today, it is the other way around. Pitchers put too much strain on their arms, and do not use enough leg.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=148

Pitcher Abuse Points (PAP)

You really can’t. I think that was a condition akin to Sandy and Sandy alone.

…is better treated now. Not saying the outcome was necessarily different, but who knows? Shame because KC had quite the club in the mid-late 70’s and early 80’s.

In the good ol’ days, the pitchers were not paid near as much as they are today, which means that low-cost, young pitchers have a lot of value to teams because they are undervalued by the salary structure. There is an incentive to be more cautious with them and hold down their work loads.

Gibson quote:

"Have you ever thrown a ball 100 miles an hour? Everything hurts. Even your ass hurts. I see pictures of my face and say, ‘Holy shit’, but that’s the strain you feel when you throw.

plus to get FA pitchers to come there they may need to start cheating their balls like Colorado does