Compartmentalizing
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Instead of overreacting and calling Colby Rasmus a bust, or talking about Matt Holliday not living up to his mega contract, saddling us with a massive albatross, or our offensive binge and purge cycles, or our freak pitcher (not pitching) injuries, let's talk about something happy. Let's talk about something interesting.
How about compartment syndrome?
A lot of what I'm going to put down has already been posted in daily threads, so I'd like to h/t prophetjohn, ribbij, and anyone else who has nefdex'ed this information. On the other hand, I think it's a good idea to compile it, and I think I have a few things to add.
First, a story.
My cousin was a teenager and a driven athlete. She swam competitively, raced in triathlons, and spent the majority of her free time racing and training to race. Her only problem was herself. She as too driven. She was too obsessed with pushing herself harder, going farther, faster, and she had an incredible pain tolerance. Before she was 18, she had already had rotator cuff surgery, and she had her acetabular labrum repaired in the middle of the summer at the height of her season because the pain and weakness had become unbearable. When she talked about subtle calf pains and numbness in her feet, it was just another of her stories. How was the race? What's causing you unbearable pain now?
She still has both her legs, and she's still walking and working out the way normal people do, but the peak of her athletic endeavors has passed, and sometimes I have to carry her if the kids are hanging out and she has to walk too far. Even after surgery to release the pressure built up under the tissues in her legs, she suffers symptoms of compartment syndrome or nerve injury, and it's a pretty frightening and very disabling problem for distance runners. I knew her situation was bad when she told me the doctor had recommended useless acupuncture treatments to help her get her mind off of the injury.
Zooming back out, I think the disease has been pretty well described here: Compartments exist all over the body. Your brain is inside one. Your heart is inside one that is inside a larger compartment that contains many of your organs. Muscles are grouped with nerves and blood vessels and they are constrained inside compartments of connective tissue. The syndrome is a result of the expansion of the muscle inside the fascia, which causes the pressure inside to rise. While any body compartment with confined bleeding or muscle expansion can cause symptoms, the syndrome that we are talking about usually refers to a problem in the lower legs or the forearms where anatomically the muscles are tightly confined
Usually the result of this increased pressure is severe pain during movement, along with tingling and numbness that result from restricted blood supply and compressed nerves. While the prognosis for more acute cases of compartment syndrome is usually good (stop the bleeding, heal the damage, cure the syndrome), it can be a bigger problem for athletes with chronic compartment syndrome. Conservative treatments like therapy and cortisone are not usually recommended, and often surgery is required.
Kyle Lohse has been having effectiveness problems for some time, but it's unclear how long his compartment syndrome has lasted or how severe it is. As a chronic condition it has probably been developing for months or years, and I'm not sure exactly of the relationship between his injury last season and his injury this season.
Because Kyle's problems last season started with a contusion, it's possible that his initial problems more closely resembled acute compartment syndrome, but considering the surgical intervention he is now set to undergo, I think his problem is chronic and could even be unrelated or at least not entirely attributable to his repeated contusions last season.
My cousin's surgery had them cutting straight down the fronts of her legs parallel and almost the entire length of the shin bone to create space for the muscles to expand. Kyle's surgery should be similar, but because the actual muscle involvement is unclear, it's possible that he will undergo a less invasive procedure. Because of my experience with my cousin and other runners, I can't say I'm excited about his prospects and I hope his surgery is substantially different and more successful than theirs.
Here's to happier times, and I hope Kyle makes it back from this one. If not, I'll try to forget the contract and remember things like this:
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Thanks for the explanation.
I hope for Kyle’s sake he has an easier time coming back.
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Wow....
Sorry about your cousin – I hope she still has a happy and fulfilling life. She can still swim, yes? And I hope Kyle can bounce back from his injury to regain his effectiveness. But part of me also hopes that he has been Pipped by PJ, at least as far as the rotation goes. I think he will need some time to recover from all this, and we don’t have to rush him back until he’s ready to resume his career. I’ll keep my hooves crossed for him.
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acute compartment syndrome
During a hockey game, my brother-in-law was skating along the boards near the benches and someone didn’t fully close the door to the bench and he went right into the door jamb, thigh-first. Thigh was so swollen, required surgery to relieve the pressure, several more surgeries after swelling went down to reclose the wound. Bad deal.
Anyway….what I find troubling about all this is the Cardinals medical staff’s failure to diagnose this (non-acute) condition in Lohse. It’s been couched in language about how rare it is for it to occur to baseball players, which I get.
However, the physicians have regular practices seeing all kinds of sports medicine patients. And compartment syndrome isn’t the rarest of conditions in general, particularly not for physicians with a musculo-skeletal orientation. The physician he saw in CA recognized it on day 1 with sufficient confidence to proceed directly to surgery.
Not inspiring confidence in our medical team.
It's worth considering...
…that it might not be the Cardinal’s medical staff that’s misdiagnosing or misinterpreting health issues, but rather, the information that’s flowing from the medical staff to the front office isn’t the same information that’s flowing from the front office to Goold, Straussie, and all the other media outlets.
It is unfathomable to me that, in light of the $100 million plus in yearly investment in player payroll, the team isn’t getting complete information on the status of their various players. It is far less of a stretch to think that the team is aware of the issues with, for example, Kyle Lohse, and releases information out slowly and in selected pieces, keeping the vision of a viable Lohse alive in order to mitigate fanbase disapproval of their attempt to recoup some value out of the $40 million (or whatever the total number is) contract.
I’m not necessarily saying the medical staff is the best in organized sports, just that it wouldn’t surprise me if the front office knows more than we do and is content to let faceless “team doctors” take the blame for “inaccurate” medical prognoses rather than admit that they’re aware of the full extent of the medical problems and are just going to deal with them.
Good point
there must be much better information that the FO receives than is passed on for public consumption, with the consequence that the quality of the medical staff’s ability to accurately diagnose will not be knowable by the public. That’s a helpful caution. I suppose nearly everything that doesn’t go according to plan for a company as visible as the Cardinals becomes a PR issue and handled in that way.
But there is another, more visible measure by which to assess (at least the reputation of) the medical staff: look at who the player actually relies on to perform the procedures. I know Paletta performed one of Mulder’s operations, but other than that, I seem to recall guys going elsewhere.
And that measure is probably not all that fair when you’re talking about players looking to sub-sub-specialists.
I must say
You really have no idea what you are talking about. Compartment syndrome of the lower leg is common. In the forearm, not so much.
Dr. Paletta was involved in this diagnosis. They had to find a physician who could deal with this sort of thing. The Cardinals’ medical staff ordered the MRI after exercise and diagnosed the post-exercise inflammation. From there, they sought out a specialist.
I would much rather work with a surgeon whose ego does not get in the way of accurate diagnosis and defers to a specialist in the appropriate realm.
nice to see you
I’m assuming you have been lurking by once in a while and just not posting. If we ever screw up the medical stuff, please feel free to jump in. I’m just a graduate now, I don’t have the years of experience you do.
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Thanks
Yeah I lurk and read the posts..not much time anymore to interact…livin’ the dream.
Congats on graduating…any job prospects?
yeah
working in a private practice clinic as soon as I get my temp license. Then I’m going to move over to a VA hospital when I get my actual license. I’ve been in the middle of doing all the paperwork for the VA along with trying to keep up with whats happening with my license application, as well as buying a house. I haven’t had much time for VEB lately.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
I see
I’m curious about the dynamics of players/teams determining how aggressively to treat injuries or conditions. At times there are public disagreements between player and team about whether to have surgery or to try more conservative measures first (one example would be C. Schilling at the end of his career). I was curious whether the Cardinals have dealt with this often and whether it was collaborative in Lohse’s case — good to hear that it was.
Compartment syndrome is a bitch
this is one of those things that can have a very chronic expectation….i had never heard of a major league pitcher having it, so i never considered it as a possibility for loshe…but now that i look back, it makes a lot of sense
A lot of time something like compartment syndrome begins with a trauma, in loshe’s case, it was probably the shot he took to his forearm last season….it is pretty rare for that type of thing to lead to a compartment syndrome, but it apparently did
i am usually a glass half full guy, but during my time as a PT student, i have seen 3 cases of compartment syndrome, and the outcomes/timeline of recovery were not good and slow….of course, these were conservative treatments, and loshe had surgery…hopefully it works out for him
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
just read a stat that 70%-85% of people who have chronic compartment syndrome
and have the fasciotemy surgery are able to return to pre-surgery levels of activity, symptom free
these numbers are from the leg compartment syndrome, but it should be a fairly predictive statistic…of course, most peoples pre-surgery activity level does not include ML pitching
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
by VolsnCards5 on May 28, 2010 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions
would like to see
where you found that. I’ve been meaning to look into it a bit but just haven’t had the time with moving, getting set to take state boards, and buying a house.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
here is the article
i know the source may be iffy, but its the only place i found a concrete stat on return to pre-morbidity activity levels(i didn’t have time to ebsco host and such)
good luck on your boards…i take mine in about a month and a half….in related news, i graduated yesterday and am now officially a DPT
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
by VolsnCards5 on May 29, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
congratulations Doctor
my graduation was last saturday. I’ve already got 2 jobs lined out, one in the temporary and one for when I get my actual license
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Lohse's finest hour
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/SLN/SLN200904120.shtml
Retired 24 straight Houston Astros on 3 hit shutout.
Also; that was barely a year ago yet look how different the lineup is: Rasmus hitting 8th(!), Duncan and K Greene (oh boy…), Back when it looked like Freese was a flop and Barden and Thurston could hit and/or field
/tear
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by prophetjohn on May 29, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Funny thing is,
I almost included that start, but I saw that he allowed so many fly balls, so i went with the one against the royals instead.
I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons
the royals game was appropriate
since that’s when he got hit.
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