Surgery in the cards for Kyle Lohse. Motocross surgery.
by DanUpBaby on May 27, 2010 2:30 AM EDT
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PrintJoe Strauss and Kyle Lohse are two points often used to triangulate bad news, but this is even more absurd than I was expecting. From the Post-Dispatch:
Hand and wrist specialist Dr. Steven S. Shin met with Lohse for less than an hour at the Kerlan-Jobe Orthopedic Clinic about 90 minutes north of San Diego. Shin found Lohse to be suffering from extreme compartment syndrome, a condition in which the sheath covering a muscle in the pitcher's forearm fails to allow it to expand.
The condition is more closely associated with distance runners and motocross riders.
What?
The condition is apparently more common in not just motocross riders, but European motocross riders.
The Cardinals can't be allowed off the hook for a bad contract just because of the bizarre circumstances under which it fails, but an injury like this is strange even for pitchers. The first hit for '"compartment syndrome" baseball', unpleasantly enough, is this article about Noah Lowry:
March 07, 2008|By Henry Schulman, Chronicle Staff Writer
Tempe, Ariz. - Manager Bruce Bochy tried to put the best face on Thursday's news that Noah Lowry will undergo surgery on his throwing arm today. Bochy termed the procedure minor, said Lowry might begin throwing "in two, maybe three weeks" and could return to the mound in late April.But the truth is, Lowry has been diagnosed with a very unusual injury for a baseball player, called exertional compartment syndrome. The Giants have not been able to find another pitcher who has had the same surgery, and their prognosis is more of a guess.
Lowry's injury—fortunately, I guess—was misdiagnosed, as it turned out; he had a different shoulder problem, and his agent later blamed his career derailment on the Giants' failure to get it right the first time. So provided the Cardinals got this one right it might not mean that he misses two and a half years. In the meantime, the Cardinals will look for somebody in America who's even done this before.
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European motocross???
Like FIM racers? Those guys are crazy
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by gdm426 on May 27, 2010 2:36 AM EDT reply actions 12 recs
wow
hopefully this is the low point of the season. we lose two of our starters in one weekend, one because he hit a grand slam, and the other one because of an extremely rare condition that we have no idea how long it will take for him to recover. and then we score all of 2 runs in 2 games, YAY!
at least Waino and Garcia are a nice silver lining. now either tell McGwire to use a different approach to offensive strategy, or find someone else, plz
I'll leave this to Lao Tzu
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 27, 2010 2:59 AM EDT reply actions
meh
;-)
"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."
actually, i think we've scored all of 1 run in 2 games
both to home runs from a middle infielder with a .303 slugging percentage.
I think this is actually the low point of about the last 3 seasons, and that’s saying something.
Fuck that Lohse contract. Fuck it in the eye.
Chris Carpenter doesn't give a fuck about your fantasy team.
by Felonius_Monk on May 27, 2010 3:19 AM EDT up reply actions
that should say "both lost".
Chris Carpenter doesn't give a fuck about your fantasy team.
by Felonius_Monk on May 27, 2010 3:19 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah
it was super late and I was very tired. 1 freaking run!!! wtf
I'll leave this to Lao Tzu
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 27, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd repost my lovely graphic
but I can’t find it right now, and it would be obnoxious.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Joke em if that can't take a fuck.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 27, 2010 4:17 AM EDT up reply actions
it's also a rather large graphic
i don’t think we can take much more, at this point.
esp. since we’re all awake at this hour….
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
LOL.
Yeah, I hear ya. I think I’m going to have to try to battle my insomnia here in a minute.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 27, 2010 4:23 AM EDT up reply actions
re: low point of season
we’re one (1) game out of first place. In the last week of May. If this is the low point of our season….hot damn!
the thing is, we keep saying that
and then … stuff keeps happening.
maybe we should just hold our breath for a realllly long time….
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I'm still thinking that series in Philly
was the wake-up call/rude awakening that the team found out they might not be the best team in the NL and have been pressing ever since. Things started to sprial from that series…they showed signs of coming out of it the last homestand though. These first two gamesof this roadtrip is not helping this team’s morale right now though I bet. I am praying the bats come alive in Chicago especially Albert’s.
Boy a frosty cold Budweiser would be great about now"…long pause…then an "aahhh". --Mike Shannon
imo the series in philly was when they were screwed out of a really good shot to split a series.
many, many breaks did not go their way, and I think some of the hitters pushed too hard to do too much.
the most mentally-adjusted of our batters is the one who pretends he’s Batman, for pete’s sake… /tongue-in-cheek.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
eh
seems to me TLR’s teams usually have a tough time in May. Not worried. We’re getting 2009-quality pitching. The offense just can’t possibly be this bad all year.
it can if the underlying problems aren't fixed.
my chief worry is that there’s an underlying problem that we don’t know about.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
speculating
I mean, this post itself is so left-field.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I see what you did there.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 27, 2010 4:56 AM EDT up reply actions
it's a seed to second base!
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I would love to see that happen.
Instead of the wet noodle.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 27, 2010 4:57 AM EDT up reply actions
hey, Holliday has improved
and Colby is finally throwing to third.
as an aside, Colby worries me. he gets a little fixated on simplistic directives. I thought only Boog got hung up on that, on our team. I’m starting not to buy how he’s quietly a clubhouse leader if he’s having trouble taking charge on the field and making sound baseball decisions, besides.
and if it’s not on Colby, but rather on Tony — in the just followin’ orders sir sense — I have to wonder about that deceased equine, too.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I know Holli has improved, I just have a hard time liking him.
I didn’t like the trade, I didn’t like the contract and we’ve got his ass for at least 6.5 years. I’m sure I will come around eventually, and then I visualize that ball hitting him in the nuts.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 27, 2010 5:10 AM EDT up reply actions
me too
I think I may just be misunderstanding his big head.
and in any case, it doesn’t matter what I think. i’d worry more about whether he’s truly a fit in that clubhouse. even the lack of rib-destroying chestbumps with Boog is worrisome, though to be fair there have been few opportunities for it.
also, visualizing that is probably not good for your overall wellbeing. especially in a loop.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
in any case, now that frickin' west coast baseball has destroyed my life, I'm going to attempt to sleep
don’t everybody break everything at once.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
and remember
save the good pitchforks for Bristol.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
i agree
the whole bouncing throws to second plus him going on weak contact last night makes it seem like he has a hard time determining when he should abandon the instructions he was given
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
Like Mac perhaps?
I doubt it, but we have just been floundering. Then again, we were floundering at the end of last year too.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 27, 2010 4:52 AM EDT up reply actions
I doubt it too.
it’s just an easy out. who knows what it could be. someone’s pet chicken. subliminal messages in the mix tape.
I dunno, it’s just that nothing surprises me anymore. they are very old-school about their clubhouse confidentiality, and the stuff that we find out later fails to shock me anymore.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Is this really that surprising in this bizarro world season?
In a season where we should be tearing it up, we’re not. Our power tandem in the middle of the line up has been just about anything but. But to look on the brightside, at least our bullpen hasn’t been as bad as we had feared.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 27, 2010 3:02 AM EDT reply actions
we learned no lessons from the cubs last year.
it’s not last year anymore.
what’s more, the team has basically taken all the pressure that we mock in wrigley and stuck it between their ears. we’re certainly party to that.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
hum, that should be capitalized somewhere.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Unfortunately, that's very true.
How did we get so flipped? What kind of reverse jinx do we come up with for this?
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 27, 2010 4:27 AM EDT up reply actions
I warned y'all.
I was laughed off, somewhere around the time everyone ripped their clothes off when we signed Lopez.
which thus far has worked out. I’ve been cool on him, but he’s been a bright spot.
in any case, the baseball will always find you — don’t think it won’t be hit to you.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
The problem hasn't been that the ball has been hit to us.
We just can’t hit it away from anybody else. I remember thinking that Floppy was a good signing, I really didn’t think that it was going to have any negative effects.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 27, 2010 4:34 AM EDT up reply actions
nah, just conincidence
the … dare I say irrational exuberance of the moment kind of swept away the new-season smell. at least, IMO.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
how are "we" party to that
what pressure, i’d like to know? being the clear, runaway favorites in a division is pressure? i’ll go with it’s a lack of pressure that is our downfall at the moment. if it was a team that was fighting to stay above water like last year, we’d be seeing a different quality of baseball, urgency-wise.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
oooh we're going to argue about the nature of reality. it's just like bcb.
pressure to live up to expectations is what’s making them try too hard. do too much. expand the zone. are you saying they just don’t care? they’re taking it for granted? really? where are you getting that, pray tell.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
haha
all really good teams have a problem with focus, not taking other teams lightly, sense of urgency, etc – i just thought everyone knew that. that’s why in the coaching world there are coaches known to get the most of an overachieving bunch, and those known to be able to motivate/not motivate a dominant bunch (or player(s), which is sometimes the same thing)
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
so the general applies to the specific, eh?
and everybody’s supposed to know that. hmm. like I said, does this have any bearing on the events thus far?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
well, that's sports
did i not state it clearly, because i don’t understand what the hell you said?
we are an unmotivated bunch, with no sense of urgency, and it is very apparent on the field – if that helps.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I disagree
what is apparent to you flies in the face of the evidence. if it’s so apparent, give us some instances.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
sloppy play
you may think it’s from pressing. i think it’s the opposite, a symptom of lack of focus/sense of urgency, which occur when a team in not motivated.
i think if they were pressing they wouldn’t be listless and uninspired but rather hyper and edgy and i don’t see that on the field.
just because they get frustrated doesn’t mean they are pressing.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
i like kyle, but if i had to have a starting pitcher go down with a nasty and bizarre-sounding injury, i guess there are
worse options than him.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
i think it'd rather it be penny
at least he’s an incentives deal and done after the season]
lohse might end up injured for around 80% of a 4/40 contract
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
Lohse's injury is TLR's fault
Lohse’s hbp which injured the forearm occurred 5/23/09 v KC. The now infamous plate appearance took place in the bottom of the 8th w/runners 1st & 3rd, 1 out. Cards led 4-0 at the time at home and having thrown 98 pitches in 8 innings of 4 hit SO ball. Is it that important to get him the CG shutout that you punt your chance to tack on more runs and make your starter throw extra pitches in a game that is decided? No way he should have taken that plate appearance. That’s on TLR. $40 million dollar hbp.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/SLN/SLN200905230.shtml
"I learned a long time ago if you keep checking your stats all year, you're going to end up in the toilet." - Chris Carpenter, 2009.
by indakind on May 27, 2010 3:33 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
the medical staff should have found this
they brought him back too early initially (skipped one start), and then after 5 weeks out after that, when he got hit again there while rehabbing in the minors, they brought him back, which led to another couple weeks out – the guy was never right, and it was this continued pitching-injured that either caused this condition or the condition was already existing the whole time. either way, if i could never pitch again and i was KFL, i would sue the shit out of the team for costing me earnings after this current contract is up. it’s apparent now how badly mishandled it was, and i feel for the guy, especially having given his all throughout and hearing boos from idiots who had no idea. and this is not such a surprise to the club as it is to the fans.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Disagree
Lohse would have been (rightly) pissed if TLR takes him out there. Chances of a pitcher getting injured whilst batting are miniscule.
Chris Carpenter doesn't give a fuck about your fantasy team.
by Felonius_Monk on May 27, 2010 5:48 AM EDT up reply actions
And yet it's happened three times since the beginning of last season
by jd is legend on May 27, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Oops, I didn't see who I was replying to
And yet it’s happenedthree timesthrice since the beginning of last season
by jd is legend on May 27, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
verily, motherfucker!
Chris Carpenter doesn't give a fuck about your fantasy team.
by Felonius_Monk on May 27, 2010 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
So I wonder how long it will be before
Looper is wearing the Birds on the Bat again?? I know not a great option…but he really can’t be any worse that Lohse has been for us this season. Looper really wasn’t that bad for us a couple of years ago….not great by any means but not horrible. He is usually good for 10-12 wins and that’s not too bad for a #5 starter. Although not pitching so far this season I wonder how long it would take for him to be ready?
If not Looper what other options do we have….(if they decide to go outside the organization) that won’t cost much??
Boy a frosty cold Budweiser would be great about now"…long pause…then an "aahhh". --Mike Shannon
Pedro or Smoltz
"I learned a long time ago if you keep checking your stats all year, you're going to end up in the toilet." - Chris Carpenter, 2009.
by indakind on May 27, 2010 3:45 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think Pedro would also help loosen this team up.
No doubt they need something/someone like that.
"I learned a long time ago if you keep checking your stats all year, you're going to end up in the toilet." - Chris Carpenter, 2009.
by indakind on May 27, 2010 3:48 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Pedro would be good
but he will come with a larger price tag. I’m not real sure DeWitt is ready to fork over some more cash right now…..and to be honest I don’t blame him. I would like to see Pedro. But I bet they give the likes of Looper a call first.
Boy a frosty cold Budweiser would be great about now"…long pause…then an "aahhh". --Mike Shannon
Pedro might get Albert to laugh again.
He hasn’t laughed much since he lost his lil buddy Lugo.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 27, 2010 3:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Good point
Albert seems like he needs sombody to “hang with”. This past week has made me worry about the way Albert feels about the club and the guys he plays with. He has seemed really unhappy of late and Pedro might be of help.
Boy a frosty cold Budweiser would be great about now"…long pause…then an "aahhh". --Mike Shannon
pedro's just a couple million
not saying he’s the best option or the one they go for, but he’s well within reach financially.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I don't know as that it has anything to do with the club or the guys.
I would bet that a good deal of it is he’s frustrated with himself. He’s not used to being in a prolonged slump. it may be making him edgy.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 27, 2010 4:10 AM EDT up reply actions
this indeed
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
or a decline dating to mid-july last year
this is more than a slump.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I don't think it's a full-blown decline.
I think he’s pushing way too hard. He was in overdrive last year and burned out down the stretch. This year he’s clearly been pushing the issue. something’s off, and I’ll be damned if I can see what it is. Maybe he just needs to get laid.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 27, 2010 4:45 AM EDT up reply actions
unicorn-bane said it was a foot injury.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
It might have been.
But I remember the look in his eyes during all the stuff at the ASG. The man just looked wiped-out.
He actually looked like that in Chicago, but really did after the ASG. To me anyway.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 27, 2010 4:50 AM EDT up reply actions
my God, if we could just hire a load of babysitters and send them on a road-trip, we would.
you know that, Albert, don’t you??
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
and sadly
unicorn-bane said that recently. like… for want of a foot…
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Hmmm.
Maybe it was the foot then. I just don’t remember him being especially gimpy last year and unless he’s a tougher SOB than I am when my feet hurt, I get gimpy.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 27, 2010 4:55 AM EDT up reply actions
aye, this is communication fail on my part
I’m not talking about last year
I mean this year’s struggles.
I dunno, I feel slimy just reading Strauss’s twitter.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
That I might could buy then.
He hasn’t been getting around as good lately. I heard knee, but then again, one can affect the other. Just like his back, if there’s a nerve out of whack that can cause a lot of other problems. I have three vertebrae that compress together on my right side and it feels like somebody is sticking and icepick in my hip. It’s just that kind of thing where one can affect the rest.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 27, 2010 5:02 AM EDT up reply actions
a foot would make sense
and he’d better do something about it, my GOB. a foot problem can go all up and down his body.
(conspiracy theory: notice how his best plays are from his back… with all the weight off his feet! aaaaah! …. heh.)
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
haha
You do come up with some obscure insights man. It’s frickin great.
If his fascitis is back, that hurts like hell. I can attest to that. It will throw his gait off, and make him put pressure on the rest to try and compensate.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 27, 2010 5:07 AM EDT up reply actions
I know this is terrible, but I almost hope it's a vision problem.
just in terms of correcting it. it doesn’t look like one, though. everything looks right until he pulls the trigger. hell, even while he’s pulling the trigger.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
has Gaudin been signed yet???
Chris Carpenter doesn't give a fuck about your fantasy team.
by Felonius_Monk on May 27, 2010 5:49 AM EDT up reply actions
and PS
I’d rather just turn it over to Walters for the year than sign Looper. I guess there’s very little difference between them now and (the way Looper threw last year) Walters might even be better.
Chris Carpenter doesn't give a fuck about your fantasy team.
by Felonius_Monk on May 27, 2010 5:50 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
yankees again
so he should be available probably after the all-star break.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
weird
they dump him, then sign him? Not really sure why they didn’t keep him in the first place given that he was excellent for them last year.
Chris Carpenter doesn't give a fuck about your fantasy team.
by Felonius_Monk on May 27, 2010 8:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Don't know much about him.
But would Dana Eveland be an option? I know he showed some promise at some point and maybe a good candidate for a Duncan reclamation project.
it didn't already?
we just won’t know about it till the end of the year.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I thought it already had.
Isn’t he supposed to be out for an extended period of time?
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 27, 2010 4:11 AM EDT up reply actions
the lede is buried.
or, part of the lede is buried.
Dr. Steven S. Shin has already operated on someone in the Cardinals lineup: Brendan Ryan.
http://stlcardinals.scout.com/2/945910.html
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
The good news is that he's competent.
The bad is that he’s doing something nobody knows anything about it.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 27, 2010 4:15 AM EDT up reply actions
let's hope lohse comes out with better results than boog
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I'd say Boog's probs are between his ears.
He’s always been quirky.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 27, 2010 4:19 AM EDT up reply actions
the cause-and-effect, ur doin' it rong.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
and it's the correct place here maybe to explain your statement
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
evident the wash.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
hahahahaha
I wish I had been around when SouthernRedbird was here. That musta been a riot.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 27, 2010 4:28 AM EDT up reply actions
I love those old threads
of course, I have a terrible memory for them, but they’re good for some vintage reading.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Between him and WCBW I can see why.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 27, 2010 4:40 AM EDT up reply actions
i'll take that to mean you made a rather insensitive, inglorious -
i’ll let you choose the adjective – statement, but are not man enough to admit it. funny how you won’t address it.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
which is it gonna be, mr. doesn't read his own comments?
say what you want, but don’t ever get on me
you don’t want to hear it. why should I waste my time getting on you, then?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
you keep doing that
funny. i mean, lame, but pretty funny. you clipped something about one specific thing – which was right in that you were wrong – and are using it to avoid answering, as if in doing so would be “getting on me”. so you are sparing me – thank you so much. just don’t come off high and mighty after what you said and continue to avoid, making it a “thing” – i suppose now you will accuse me of badgering you?
a simple explanation, when asked for, would have sufficed. you had no problem explaining your comment about the quality of fans at half-priced ticket night or whatever the fuck it was, so i don’t know why you have such a problem with this, which, just hanging there, seems much more offensive.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
persons who yell "you owe me an explanation, you childish hypocrite! man up and give it to me!!!" generally do not actually want an explanation.
that’s not asking for an explanation, and there’s plenty in this thread to point to you not bothering to listen even if I gave you one. I certainly don’t owe you one, and the more you comment, the more you convince me that you just want some kind of vindication that you’re right and I’m wrong. what would it have sufficed? to satisfy you? I’ve been called out plenty of times, and nobody’s taken more personal, backhanded shots than you just did in the space of a few hours.
there is an explanation, by the way. the response has a lot to do with, oh shocker, your comments. ‘cause like I said, I call out behavior, not people. let me give you a hint: keep on going down this road, and you’ll keep getting the same results.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
you wrote something i took as crass
i replied, saying so. you then implied that i had misconstrued your meaning. i asked how so. and here we are. anyway, i guess the answer is in the non-answer.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
the shortness of these visits are a bit alarming.
at least, to me, with no other information to go on.
it’s a little late for me to quote-hunt, but I’m pretty sure he told everyone in that first presser outside the Jupiter clubhouse that he basically picked somebody who was close to his place in L.A.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
could be worse
if you google extreme compartment syndrome, the second thing that comes up is:
In its most extreme cases, compartment syndrome can lead to death of the limb and will require amputation.
I needed to read that, actually. Puts things in perspective and makes me realize that maybe I shouldn’t feel quite so bad this morning….
maybe lohse can throw with his left...
Chris Carpenter doesn't give a fuck about your fantasy team.
by Felonius_Monk on May 27, 2010 8:27 AM EDT up reply actions
or be converted to LF?
Stats are like a girl in a bikini, both would agree that Joe Morgan is an idiot
we could use another lefty bat?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I thought I was just having really bad shin splints in college
they sent me to an orthopedist and they said something about compartment syndrome, but once they mentioned the testing for it included shoving a needle the size of a pencil in my leg I said I would just deal with the pain.
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
I've been fat ever since...
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
This is very bizarre
Usually compartment syndrome happens in people like distance runners who push themselves too far. The muscle swells too much and the fascia don’t, so the muscle gets trapped and compresses other tissue like nerves and blood vessels. Very bad to not get blood supply to your limbs, which is why it can lead to amputation in extreme cases or when it’s neglected (I think). I have asked my newly minted Dr. Wifey (graduated from SLU med school this month, awesomeness) is kind of confused about how a pitcher could get this in his arm, but it’s not a good thing to have. Usually requires a fasciotomy.
DO NOT LOOK UP FASCIOTOMY ON WIKIPEDIA YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED.
Anyway, this may be far from a typical case of compartment syndrome so who knows what the solution will be here.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Also, wikipedia tells me that athletes who sustain "one or more serious impact injuries" are among people who tend to need the procedure.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
well he did sustain the same impact again while rehabbing in the minors
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
is the fasciotomy
where they cut the muscle open and leave it that way for a day or two?
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
another reason I decided not to get the test
hopefully it was just a scare tactic and I was being a hypochondriac, because I would hate to lose a leg now that I’ve started running again
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
perhaps
repeated use of the forearm while gripping the ball could cause it?
you would think Dusty Baker would lead the league in compartment syndrome pitchers.
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
Possible
You can get compartment syndrome from overuse
Cardinals Baseball 2010...Catch the Infection!
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on May 27, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Hopefully Lohse spends his time motocrossing in Europe in the offseason
And that is somehow an activity banned in his contract, which becomes voidable.
And then, also, the Cardinals void it.
"And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is ALBERT when I lay my vengeance upon thee." -The Bible
"Compartment Syndrome"
sloppy reporting by strauss…
usually seen in “distance runners and motorcross riders” — yeah, compartment syndrome of their lower extremities. Like was mentioned above, the “compartments” are all over your body. They are trying to describe the taught fascial band that surrounds the muscles, nerves, blood vessels in ALL of your extremities. You can get compartment syndrome in your leg (like a runner or a motorcross rider), your butt, your thigh, your hand, your forearm as a result of anything that causes something inside the taught fascial band to expand — there’s only so much room.
The thing that suffers is the nerves (don’t like being squished) or in extreme cases the muscles can die themselves as a result of the pressures being so high it’s like a tourniquet. This happens all the time after big trauma, and not infrequently after repetitive microtrauma. Military recruits and other running athletes get “exercise induced compartment syndrome” as a result of overtraining — there are fascial compartments that need to be released in the forearm.
While this may not be well described in throwing athletes, conceptually I have no difficulty believing that what Lohse is experiencing is a form of this — his musculature is already hypertrophied from being a professional pitcher and he’s suffered repeated trauma to the area. Not to mention that nerves don’t tolerate repeated compression well. Anyone here dealt with carpal tunnel syndrome? That’s a nerve being compressed in a fixed area under a ligament… same kind of pain that is reproducible with certain activities that can cause permanent damage/deficits.
Hopefully it’s clear enough where the compression is coming from because I doubt from my experience that it will be possible to release enough extra space to allow for him to go out there and throw a hundred pitches at max effort. Color me pessimistic.
ribbij, orthopaedic surgery resident
by ribbij on May 27, 2010 1:04 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs
good explanation, doc
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Well, I think it's time for Mo to go to the store, and pick up some Mark Buehrle.
But in all seriousness, I think some roster moves are in order. I’d like to see Mather shipped out for Craig. Craig’s bat is heating up and Mather has been all but useless with the bat. It’s apparent that the wrist issues have sapped him of all his power. I don’t think his value as a RH backup CF is worth it, as Ludwick can adequately fill in while also supplying some offense at the same time. I’d honestly like to see if Craig can make the appropriate adjustments at the MLB level, to possibly make RFL a trade chip if needed. I know people don’t want to hear RFL and trade mentioned in the same sentence, but I think it has to be a consideration if the Cards need to make a move for a pitcher (like Buehrle).
Also, I’d like to see the Hawk head to the DL, and Salas replace him. If we are going to have to have 2 rookie replacements in the rotation, we are going to need a full arsenal of arms in the pen. This BS of keeping Hawk in the pen, when he’s not able to pitch, needs to stop.
Lohse should hit the DL, with Ottavino replacing him.
The Cards should consider sending Stav down and bringing up Hamilton as a LH PH option. This one is not nearly as important, but should be a consideration. It may also benefit a struggling Pujols, giving a LH bat option at 1st to give Albert some rest until he gets the ship righted. We are at the point that we need some fresh blood on the bench to help jump start a struggling offense.
a couple of your wishes were granted
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
So instead of "you'll go blind"
can we say “you’ll get extreme compartment syndrome in your forearm” ??
Looking for a good picture of Skip putting on his batting gloves to make an Avatar
by Skips OCD on May 27, 2010 9:33 PM EDT reply actions 6 recs
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