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The Dismantling of a Rotation

The Cardinals have gone 1-1 against the Angels so far. Unfortunately, the news out of each game is more about their starters being 0-for-2.  Brad Penny was placed on the DL with what initial reports are labeling a minor lat strain. The Cardinals called up PJ Walters to supplement the pitching staff. Walters had a tragic personal story take place at the beginning of the season. He and his wife lost their daughter after she was born 14 weeks premature. In his abbreviated time at Memphis, Walters was striking out more than a batter an inning exhibiting excellent control.

The concern with Walters, as it has been from day one, is the get-me-over fastball velocity. His fastball averaged 88.8 mph in 2009 and he failed to touch 90 mph in the 4 innings of work yesterday. Comically, Gameday classified a significant number of fastballs as changeups in addition to the mid-70s changeup that Walters has become known for while in the minor league system. While it's not impossible for Walters to be effective at that velocity, the attrition rate for pitchers with that kind of velocity is high. The attrition rate for that kind of pitcher who is also right handed is even higher.

Star-divide

Prior to the Little Red Riding Peej appearance, Kyle Lohse got hit hard for 6 runs in 3.1 innings. It turns out that Lohse has been experiencing the same feeling of forearm discomfort that landed him on the DL last year.  The ongoing debate about whether Lohse's peripheral pitching indicators (FIP, tERA) might be more indicative of his actual performance to date than his ERA or simply his game by game results seems moot at this point. For the sake of my (and expect others) sanity, Lohse has a positive WPA in exactly 2 of 9 starts this season. (While I share many of the same reservations regarding WPA as danup does, I thoroughly enjoy abusing it when it suits my preconceptions, as it does in this instance.)

So with Lohse likely headed for the shelf -- and I know I expect a period of ill-fated rehab to take place before any surgical cutting ensues -- the Cardinals will again dip into the minors to supplement what was, for the first quarter of the season, a simply dominant starting rotation. On the positive side, we still have Chris Carpenter, Adam Wainwright and Jaime Garcia to be dominant in the short term. This all leaves me with some uneasy future trepidation towards Garcia's workload but let's live in the present trepidation for the moment.

Adam Ottavino seems likely to be the next callup from the minors.  Ottavino's command has been impeccable in Memphis with just 7 walks in 36 innings. Even more encouraging has been the continued ability to strike out batters with nearly a K an inning. Ottavino's command was traditionally the item holding him back. The stuff, a low 90s fastball that he can dial up to 94/95 combined with an excellent slider are both quality major league pitches. He's fiddled with third pitches periodically but whatever he comes up to the big leagues throwing is going to be a show-me pitch at best.

I'm disinclined to call Ottavino a finished product at this point. Even with the steps forward this season -- and they're significant -- he still has a tendency to elevate his fastball too often and the lack of a third pitch could be an inhibitor the second or third look batters get at him.  It's unrealistic to expect Ottavino to be the next Garcia. Ottavino's repertoire has always been more specialized and has led some to believe his eventual place is the pen. Ottavino still has the kind of arm that can make scouts take notice and with a little more coaching, it's possible he could grow into something more.

The one small blessing in this situation is an off day on Monday.

* * *

The offense has shown some small signs of life over the last two days (Matt Holliday hit a freaking homerun, people) which is encouraging. This would become doubly important as our rotation finds it's collective and metaphorical body of work falling apart and additional stress is placed on the bullpen. In my dreams of running the team (which alternate with my nightmares about a shorter Stavinoha being in our farm system), there's one other callup I would make. 

Blake Hawksworth is also dealing with an injury - note the article's picture with hung head that is indicative of an injured pitcher - and the bullpen is likely to get real thin real quick.  Rather than letting Hawk valiantly battle through this, I'd give him some retroactive DL time to get better.  I'd also call up Fernando Salas and his 17-to-3 K:BB ratio. It's unlikely to happen but I think it would be in the best interest of a team that seems short on effective, healthy pitchers at the moment.

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oswalt.

c’mon. Given that he’s owed $31M the next two years, shouldn’t even be too expensive.

Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers

by SleepyCA on May 23, 2010 3:35 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

i wish

it were monopoly money…but i believe molina, wainwright, and lohse are all owed more in ’11 and that doesnt include ludwick

plus i think oswalt might have to be paid in ’12

by guillermozeliak on May 23, 2010 6:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Buyout

I believe Oswalt has $2.5MM buyout for 2012.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on May 23, 2010 11:20 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

that only he can take, I believe.

It’s an opt out clause.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on May 23, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

This season,

I believe we could absorb Oswalt’s salary. Next year, I don’t see how it would work with aforementioned raises, which includes Lohse officially reaching Ten-Millionaire salary status.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on May 23, 2010 11:23 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I'm assuming lohse is insured

if he needs TJ, that would theoretically clear up around $10M/year…

Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers

by SleepyCA on May 23, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

We need to work out some sort of trade where they take Lohse,

for that deal to be financially doable. If that means we give up someone who is an actual prospect, I could still get behind it.

I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons

by hazel on May 23, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

too bad bp hit the dl

they could have had bp to cover oswalt this year and salary relief for next
we have had to throw in one prospect (lynn?), but there will only be a few clubs willing to take on roy’s salary commitment and give much of anything in prospects

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going

by sportsman on May 23, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

thanks for shedding some light on the pitching situation

I was not real sure what they would do, the 2 starters going down 2 days in a row is a little hard to fathom right now. good to know that ottavino is doing very well is encouraging. I just wonder what the heck could be wrong with Lohse’s forearm, seems like a slightly odd injury if it is going to be recurring.

RFL

by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 23, 2010 3:37 AM EDT reply actions  

we have

a jpg for that

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on May 23, 2010 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

that's just the first section before the commercial break

Richard Vaughan will later break down the reactions of Dave Duncan and Kyle Lohse, in between the interview segment with Chris Carpenter. There will be a lot of CG of Brad Penny.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on May 23, 2010 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

i agree on all accounts - put walters in lohse's spot, otto in penny's spot, and call up salas to spot hawksworth for

a bit.

it’s nice to have these players and not feel like we’re calling up randy keisler or something.

the shoulder surgery for robinson gives us a little more flexibility to put him through waivers and gain the extra 40-man space for salas.

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on May 23, 2010 4:25 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

prefer

kmac to rotation and otto up, but to the pen

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going

by sportsman on May 23, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

strauss's mystery story about why tony was angry fri night was that albert threw a small fit after luddy was caught

stealing to end the inning.

not much to see here.

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on May 23, 2010 5:19 AM EDT reply actions  

FJS.

fuck joe strauss.

"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."

by BVHeck on May 23, 2010 5:29 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I still

can’t quite understand why Albert was annoyed. Stealing disturbs the at bat, or what?

by kkkkathmandubirdsview on May 23, 2010 7:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ended inning (game?) with Albert up to hit.

Albert wanted to hit, go annoyed by it, especially considering how badly Luddy was caught.

by Voxx on May 23, 2010 7:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

*got.

I think it was mostly as simple as that, and probably ‘threw a fit’ was overblown a tad.

by Voxx on May 23, 2010 7:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

i threw a fit.

I don’t know what luddy was thinking there. Best case is that he steals the base and then they IBB Pujols.

by Evilfrog on May 23, 2010 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

he pulled a Boog.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on May 23, 2010 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Boog was picked off

when he was trying to steal. The call came from the dugout. I doubt that Ludwick was given the steal sign. If he was, then Pujols should be mad at Tony.

by Evilfrog on May 23, 2010 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

no, I mean Boog in general.

there were a few of those last year. with lots of photos.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on May 23, 2010 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

just read the story

forgot my unicorn. Apparently Pujols was mad at Tony and not at Ludwick.

by Evilfrog on May 23, 2010 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

FESPN has picked it up.

East Coast is already sharpening their knives.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on May 23, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

uh yeah

if you haven’t already, y’all might want to avoid FESPN for a while.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on May 23, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

reruns

I did stop to see the blood coming out of Buster.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on May 23, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Did Tony call for the steal?

I seem to have missed this entire story.

In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on May 23, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

here

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on May 23, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ahhh thanks.

In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on May 23, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Luddy was pissed

that he just got hit. Wanted payback is all I can think.

"They're so stunned they didn't even boo!"
John Rooney 5/3/10 referring to Philly fans on Cards 5-run 7th inning

by gocards62 on May 23, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

strauss reported - and thus take with a grain of salt -

That albert knocked two racks of gum over in the dugout and got into a loud argument with tony, ending in toný shouting “I know how to fucking manage!”

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on May 23, 2010 2:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

hahaha

You can read it in any tone you like.

by spants on May 23, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Accented tony!

Toný!!!

Note: Above comment may contain gratuitous amounts of sarcasm.

BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS

Hey Houston,
Suck it; you suck

by vexedtechie on May 23, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

obligatory

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on May 23, 2010 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Like last year with Ankiel,

as the final batter in a game we were losing but with the tying/winning run on base, Albert on deck

Ankiel had a 3-0 count and swung at ball four for a weak popup, nothing more infuriating

by Aranathor on May 23, 2010 7:59 AM EDT reply actions  

maybe it *is* the Curse of Ankiel.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on May 23, 2010 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

K-Mac or Boggs to starter?

Would either fill Lohse’s spot?

And how about bringing up Rich Hill?

"They're so stunned they didn't even boo!"
John Rooney 5/3/10 referring to Philly fans on Cards 5-run 7th inning

by gocards62 on May 23, 2010 8:20 AM EDT reply actions  

just say no to Rich Hill.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on May 23, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Memphis already has,

relegating Hill to the bullpen (at least before injuries led to St. Louis raiding their starting pitching pantry).

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on May 23, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

glossary check

for little red riding peej. this is actually the first one, since i’ve been the lone user (with maybe one or two instances besides) till recently.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on May 23, 2010 8:56 AM EDT reply actions  

OT but,

Has anyone seen this over at FESPN?

by Evilfrog on May 23, 2010 9:03 AM EDT reply actions  

hahaha

[fake blockquote]
LOCKE: … But I finally found someone who can explain everything that happened to us over the past couple years. The only person with the necessary genius to adequately explain the concepts of alternate dimensions, time travel, religion, mythology and philosophy. A man who insists he knows everything.
JACK: You mean Daniel Faraday?
LOCKE: No, Tony La Russa.
[The stunned survivors watch as palm fronds shake at the edge of the beach and LA RUSSA emerges like a 1919 White Sox walking from the cornfield. He takes a pose in front of them, leaning slightly on his fungo bat.]
LA RUSSA: If you have any questions, make it quick. I’ve got to make another couple pitching changes before the inning is over.
[/ fake blockquote]
Amaury Marti Cazana!

and this aside:
“I won’t bore you with the details — you would no more comprehend the physics involved than the reasoning behind my batting the pitcher eighth in the lineup — but suffice it to say, YES Network engineers came up with a device capable of creating a wormhole and going back in time.”

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on May 23, 2010 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

That was friggin hilarious.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 23, 2010 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pitching has carried this team so far

It’s time for the Bats to pick up. Holliday has been better this week. With three walks and three extra basehit. (OMG, a Homerun to tie a game, and an double with RISP?! In one game!) Giving him an OPS of .883 for the time frame.

Unfortunately Pujols is OPS at a .697 rate. Which would be a lot lower if not for a few IBBs. It would be great if both of these guys could play like Holliday and Pujols for a few weeks while our pitching struggles huh?

by Evilfrog on May 23, 2010 9:31 AM EDT reply actions  

can we take out the IBBs and look at the adjusted numbers?

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on May 23, 2010 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

I've got my flameproof suit on.
The data confirms the suspicion. No Cardinals pitcher has delivered more starts of four innings or less in the last 4 ¼ years than Lohse. It isn’t close. Including Saturday’s outing, Lohse has a dozen "short starts" compared to now-San Francisco Giant Todd Wellemeyer’s eight such games.

See also the paragraph that starts “Putting aside those pitchers with just a handful of starts during that time, Lohse isn’t actually the worst.”

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on May 23, 2010 9:31 AM EDT reply actions  

To beat a dead horse

A mid-70s change-up thrown off of an 89 MPH FB is NOT a change-up.

A change-up works by looking like the fastball but coming in 10% slower.

89 – 8.9 != 70-something

The only way that a mid-70s pitch thrown off of an 89 MPH FB pitch works is if it moves a ton. If a pitch is too slow to be a change-up and moves more than a change-up, then it’s not a change-up.

by thepainguy on May 23, 2010 9:32 AM EDT reply actions  

Can anybody teach him to throw a knuckle ball?

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 23, 2010 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Call him up, TPG.

Teach that boy something.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 23, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

anyone have the video...

Of Jeff Suppan explaining what a change up is?

by Evilfrog on May 23, 2010 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

those were fun.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on May 23, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wow, really?

Does it really matter if it doesn’t meet your somewhat arbitrary “definition” of the “perfect” changeup? You’re telling me that if he grabs circle change (or whatever grip he uses) in his glove, and throws it with fastball arm speed, and it comes out at 74 mph, then it’s not a changeup? C’mon.

That being said, whatever it is, seems to have worked okay for the guy. He is pitching for money, after all.

by Jhusk on May 23, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually, data has shown that more than 10 and less than 6 MPH difference results in less effective changeups.

I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons

by hazel on May 23, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jhusk is still suggesting that it's a change up.

I think he’d agree that it’s a crappy change-up.

by Evilfrog on May 23, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

The difference is basically semantics,

but I think TPG is probably arguing that it should be called a screwball. They both move in the same direction and slower than the fastball, but I guess once it goes slow enough you can call it a screwball and if it goes too fast you can call it a splitter or sinker.

I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons

by hazel on May 23, 2010 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

hmm. yeah i'm blabbing a lot, but it's an interesting post. odds on

P.J. Walters becoming the next Jamie Moyer?

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on May 23, 2010 9:35 AM EDT reply actions  

Unless he learns to pitch with his left hand

those odds are roughly 10^95/1 against.

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by StanTheManFan on May 23, 2010 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

be moar crafty!

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on May 23, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

So you're saying there's a chance?

In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on May 23, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

nooooo

it can’t be true. Jack Wilson thinking of hanging it up.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on May 23, 2010 10:48 AM EDT reply actions  

Walters's velocity doesn't necessarily preclude him from consideration as a big league starter.

He throws about as hard as Arroyo, harder than Shaun Marcum and his stuff is similar to a younger Dave Bush.

I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons

by hazel on May 23, 2010 11:12 AM EDT reply actions  

I'd feel better if he was all of those things and a lefty.

Oh wait….he’s pitching for and not against us. Never mind, prolly wouldn’t work then.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 23, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

I made sure to only give comps who were right handed.

I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons

by hazel on May 23, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's certainly still possible.

But the odds are very much against him. In 2009, there were 10 starters that qualified for the ERA title with a fastball of 88.8 mph or less. Of those 10, 7 were left handed. That’s saying that there were 3(!) pitchers in the bigs last year who are right handed and throw softer than PJ: Livian Hernandez, Bronson Arroyo and Zach Duke.

I’m not proposing some kind of velocity litmus test, I’m just saying the empirical evidence doesn’t favor soft tossing righties.

Think; It's not illegal yet.

by azruavatar on May 23, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

2009 was a pretty low year.

2010 is on course to have at least double that many.

In 2008, 14 right handed starters with fastballs at average speeds slower than 89 MPH each broke 150 innings.

I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons

by hazel on May 23, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because he does pitch against the Cardinals at some point....

In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on May 23, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

because a percentage of hitters

are so utterly enraged by his leg-kick that it throws off their timing.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on May 23, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Carp on the clock

    1. Skip Schumaker, 2B
    2. Ryan Ludwick, RF
    3. Albert Pujols, 1B
    4. Matt Holliday, LF
    5. Colby Rasmus, CF
    6. David Freese, 3B
    7. Yadier Molina, C
    8. Brendan Ryan, SS
    9. Chris Carpenter, P

P-D

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on May 23, 2010 11:41 AM EDT reply actions  

Gee, that Pujols hits fourth idea didn't last long

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

by TBender on May 23, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

it was eliminated.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on May 23, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

he batted 3rd yesterday

It was done to get Holliday going. Seems to be going. At least that’s the word.

by Evilfrog on May 23, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

so i guess boog earned his starting gig back with a 2/4 day yesterday?

also, i added skippy to my fantasy team today. so i apologize for the inevitable 0/4 showing.

by stlcardinalsfang on May 23, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

These pitching injuries suck but I am kinda of excited to see some of these

rookies get a shot. I hope I still feel that way after a few weeks.

I’m not sure if they should mess with the bullpen, if it ain’t broke don’t fix it, but would it make sense to plug in Kmac and Boggs for starters and send Otto and Walters to the pen?

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by Red Blazer on May 23, 2010 12:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Does anyone know if there

is a video feed today? Apparently they don’t broadcast Angels games on Sunday either. KSDK or whichever local it is that ruins my Sundays can suck it.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on May 23, 2010 12:40 PM EDT reply actions  

OT: HFS

Jose Lima, dead at 37 from heart attack

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

by TBender on May 23, 2010 1:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Wow, that is incredibly sad.

Five kids. Terrible news.

I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.
VEB: WWGTD

by The Continental on May 23, 2010 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Completely OT, but I've gotta share

6:45 mark. Don’t tase me, bro.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on May 23, 2010 1:09 PM EDT reply actions  

i learned this on VEB

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVCLA8t3zpI#t=6m45s

http://youtubetime.com/#

also, wtf.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on May 23, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

My dog is so good, he gets a new present....

I was shopping, and that made my morning. Also, I forgot how to timestamp, thanks.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on May 23, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Damnit Indians

Can’t you at least make the game close? You suck.

by cloistermaximus on May 23, 2010 1:15 PM EDT reply actions  

he look...

It’s a Duncan sighting!

by Evilfrog on May 23, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

indeed.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on May 23, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just poppin' in to say I LOVE today's lineup...

…I smell good things today.

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Hey Houston,
Suck it; you suck

by vexedtechie on May 23, 2010 1:47 PM EDT reply actions  

I smell cinammon rolls.

Are you in my house tech?

In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on May 23, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe.

…Did you cut the grass recently? I smell freshly cut grass. Some moran probably has a bogged down mower now.

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BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS

Hey Houston,
Suck it; you suck

by vexedtechie on May 23, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

something a little concerning

saw something on espn saying that there was trouble for the cardinals. i went to the insider page and it said something about lohse may be heading to the dl. i can’t read any more of it b/c i am not an insider. does anyone here have espn insider?

by zoomzoomj88 on May 23, 2010 1:47 PM EDT reply actions  

haven't read the FESPN article,

but on 550’s talk with Tony this morning he said they don’t know yet. Lohse is scheduled to have an MRI tomorrow on the elbow. He specifically mentioned Ottavino and MacLane has possible call ups if Lohse does need to go on the DL.

by DarkHelmut on May 23, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nothing that we don't already know

“Kyle Lohse felt pain in forearm Saturday, and told reporters after the game that he is “very” concerned about it.

With Brad Penny landing on the DL Saturday, the Cardinals could look to the minors for some temporary assistance, with P.J. Walters having already been summoned to St. Louis. "

by kyle3776 on May 23, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

ESPN is just regurgitating the Globe-Democrat story.

Unfortunately, I can’t link to it on my phone. But, it said that Lohse is very concerned. It felt like a cramping in the way it tightened up when pitching. The plan is to rest today and get an MRI Monday. A decision as to treatment and DL will follow.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on May 23, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

When worlds collide

McCarver interviewing Joe Morgan on the Tim McCarver show. I’m afraid my TV may explode

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on May 23, 2010 2:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Very slowly and quietly press the mute button

No sudden moves.

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

by TBender on May 23, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

funny thing

when they came back from commercial break the screen just went black for 2-3 minutes. I thought, “HFS, they DID break my TV!”

Then they came back on for a minute before the broadcast thankfully came on in the middle of Morgan explaining where the stupid elbow flap came from.

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on May 23, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

TO THE GAME THREAD!!!

See you suckas there

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BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS

Hey Houston,
Suck it; you suck

by vexedtechie on May 23, 2010 2:06 PM EDT reply actions  

again summoning car people

i tried to take off my starter. i unscrewed the nutes that were holding it on, but the starter didn’t come off! the bolts didn’t come out. the bolts look like they are just threaded all the way through with no head on them. one end is open and threads into the starter and the other end is open and has nut on the end (which is what i unscrewed). so, basically, how the f do i get these out?

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on May 23, 2010 2:16 PM EDT reply actions  

update!

i couldn’t figure it out, so i reassembled it and then beat on it a little with my ratchet and now it works fine!

we’ll see how it goes

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on May 23, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just saw this....

But that was the correct usage of rule number 1…When in doubt, use a bigger hammer. Email me if you need any help.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on May 23, 2010 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

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