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in which i go medieval on your ass


whan that alberte with his swinges soote

the droghte of dyngers hath perced to the roote

and buryed every pycher in swich leyne drives

of which vertue engendered is the centiquid

whan colbyrus with his smoothe homrunnes

inspired in every ladie a swoon and a fluttre

ye tripel, dubbel, singel, and ye acryobatick caches

hath been solden to ye masses with flaire and grace;

thanne longen battres to goon on hytting strekes

and middel infelders to avoide the errores.

on ferne rode tryppes, yea, in sondry stadia,

from every outfeld coriner, they wende,

to batte befor the mang their ende,

befor him that hath them batten in

whan they woot erewise been lobstyres.

Star-divide

so, i hear we are going to see more of PJ walters. as of press time, no word on whether he's going to the rotation or the bullpen, or whether he is replacing blake hawksworth or brad penny (who has turned tail side up - seriously, the p-d is reporting that typical recovery time is seven weeks). whose roster spot he's replacing and what role he's taking are in fact separate questions, since either kyle mcclellan or mitch boggs could theoretically stretch out for a starting job by the next time penny's spot comes up again. 

for my money, i'd rather see PJ start than relieve, if brad is going out. he has better stuff for a long role, while boggs and kyle can dial their stuff up in a short appearance. walters "dials up" to 90 or 91 maybe.

my suspicion is, though, that he'll come in as a reliever. the cards will be very short this afternoon (game time 1:15 CDT) if they must rely on franklin and miller to get them through a kyle lohse start. motte, mcclellan, and boggs all pitched 20+ pitches, diner closed out the game, and the hawk is still twingy in his groin. historically, when they were bringing someone in to cover a spot start, they usually waited till a day or so before the start, while walters' call up was announced almost at the end of last night's game. i suspect that means that they're putting the hawk on the DL, although a further possibility is that peej is a loaner for a couple days and ottavino will come up by monday or tuesday to cover penny's start. possibilities on possibilities.

i realize as i write this that, by the time this is actually read, the decision will be out. ah well, there's my thought process, right or wrong.

he's had a fine season in a small (19.7 inning) sample. he has a 2.44 FIP, a 54.8% GB rate, a 10.53 K/9, and a 1.37 BB/9. insofar as this is not just a small sample size problem, all of his numbers are improvements over last year. unfortunately, it's almost certainly a small sample size problem. the MLE calculator likes him for a 2.69 FIP for this year, a big departure from his MLE for his career of 4.73 and his actual ML performance last year of 7.91 (in a smaller sample size that his season to date at memphis. my suspicion is that he's going to be closer to 4.73 than 2.69, but i personally like PJ and remain irrationally optimistic about his prospects. i would not be surprised if he's improved substantially this season and could at least be as good as blake hawksworth - who is neither as good as he seemed last year nor as bad as he's looked this year.

fwiw, while the gap between hawksworth's season performances in 2009 and 2010 has been huge by both ERA and FIP, his xFIP for last season and this are 4.59 and 4.64 respectively. my suspicion is that the xFIP is a fairly good depiction of what the hawk's true talent is, which is as a fairly interchangeable part at the back of the bullpen. PJ is probably much the same.

in idle news around the league, anyone who is in the market for a not-very-good 2b can get one - kaz matsui is hanging out there on waivers. rumor is the rockies want to grab him. the mets are shopping luis castillo for the 29th time, apparently hoping that dayton moore or maybe ed wade is in the market to spend way too much money on him.

also, apparently the giants are thinking about replacing our dear wellemeyer with a minor league free agent by the name of eric hacker in the rotation; that's right, he may lose his job to the san francisco equivalent of evan maclane.

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Out of suffering have emerged the strongest souls; the most massive characters are seared with scars

by gdm426 on May 22, 2010 6:24 AM EDT reply actions   2 recs

Ye olde fife

The bible declares an eye for an eye, so, let us now take our vengeance on this murderous ocean. . . You won't be hurting anyone anymore

by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on May 22, 2010 8:41 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Gife

F’ing autocorrect

The bible declares an eye for an eye, so, let us now take our vengeance on this murderous ocean. . . You won't be hurting anyone anymore

by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on May 22, 2010 8:43 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Exemplary.

Perhaps next we can see an homage to Piers Plowman. I challenge any sports blog site to compare itself to the brilliant literary minds of Viva El Birdos. Bravo, indeed, sir!

Honi soit qui mal y pense.

by p_lampe on May 22, 2010 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh little red riding peej. it's an irreverent nickname, but I saw his debut... thrown to the wolves again.

hopefully the work and the company will be good for his soul, at the very least.

meanwhile, an old feature of the man stew seems to have angered Tony and confounded Mo. we rubbed some dirt on it! we’re fine! unicorns needed.

JoeStrauss Maybe the quietest Cardinals clubhouse after a win I can remember. about 7 hours ago via Echofon

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on May 22, 2010 8:41 AM EDT reply actions  

Yeah

Def. unicornes needed

The bible declares an eye for an eye, so, let us now take our vengeance on this murderous ocean. . . You won't be hurting anyone anymore

by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on May 22, 2010 8:47 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

speaking of Evan Maclane, he got knocked down by a line drive.

i’m still trying to find unlocked posts or news items on this.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on May 22, 2010 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

whoa, Sanchez of SF had a Joey Slides moment

it’s somewhere in top plays

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on May 22, 2010 9:08 AM EDT reply actions  

Chaucer!

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

by TBender on May 22, 2010 9:14 AM EDT reply actions  

RULZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"They're so stunned they didn't even boo!"
John Rooney 5/3/10 referring to Philly fans on Cards 5-run 7th inning

by gocards62 on May 22, 2010 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

That was f'in inspired!!!

Dude! Just on the title alone you got a rec. For the rest of it, just blow the damn thing up in green pixels. I thought PJ’s best pitch was his change-up and that last year either he got away from it or they didn’t want him throwing it cuz it got pushed to the way-side? Anyone? I liked what I saw out of him last year, the results just weren’t there.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 22, 2010 9:32 AM EDT reply actions  

the grand slam reaction


Don’t flag me, bro.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on May 22, 2010 9:43 AM EDT reply actions   5 recs

ouch, my fandom.

"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5

"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.

by Tudor's Electric Fan on May 22, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wanna give up Jaime?

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on May 22, 2010 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

No whey!

But I’d give up Lance Lynn!
:=8)

Big McLargehuge!
:=8O

by The MooCow on May 22, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

In order for the Astros to trade him in the division...

I’d think they’d want a haul.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on May 22, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Haul-aday?

/nonotreally

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

by TBender on May 22, 2010 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

maybe not

not many can afford his contract over the next couple years

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going

by sportsman on May 22, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

carp, wainer, penny, garcia

at this point, he seems like a somewhat marginal upgrade in our playoff rotation (yes, I said it. Eff off GOBs). I’d rather keep all the young cheap pitching we can

by mattyp on May 22, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

We have just enough AAA depth (Walters, Ottovino, Lynn) to get by for the supposed 4-8 weeks Penny could be out. Oswalt’s contract isn’t very favorable either. I would love Oswalt but just keep the little prospects we have I’d say

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by mstreeter06 on May 22, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

whhhhaaaaaaaaaaa????

Penny out? Damn, I need to keep up more.

by mattyp on May 22, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

No one really know how long for sure

He left after the top of the inning after his grand slam. TV said left with back spasms and I’ve also read right side pain. Probably hurt it swinging for the fences. TLR seemed concerned. I hope its on the shorter side of the 4-8 weeks. I believe they’ll know a more definite timetable today.

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by mstreeter06 on May 22, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

and by concerned

’e means pissed off.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on May 22, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes

Very odd feel post-game especially for after a win. TLR looked very pissed off.

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by mstreeter06 on May 22, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

VEB's exclusive post-game coverage

starts here
and by exclusive, I mean unique.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on May 22, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's his right lat. They're currently calling it a strain.

There’s an MRI scheduled for today.

Penny has said that it doesn’t hurt when he swings and it first started bothering him after his last start against Cincy.

I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.
VEB: WWGTD

by The Continental on May 22, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

curious where the 4-8 weeks estimate comes from

Horton said 2-4 week average for a lat injury on the post-game show. I’m not trying to be disagreeable. I just actually have no idea.

by CRay on May 22, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah me neither

I believe Post was speculating 6-8 weeks but I also heard Horton’s 2-4. I hope its just more of Horton’s guess. Either way it sucks.

....my quick smells like french toast...

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by mstreeter06 on May 22, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

repeated from actual medical guys

not Rick [redacted] Horton.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on May 22, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Awesome

I really hope its on the shorter side.

....my quick smells like french toast...

Twitter: @mstreeter06

by mstreeter06 on May 22, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

What?

you mean Horton isn’t a doctor??

by CRay on May 22, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

only if you believe FSM's photoshop

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on May 22, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Didn't Carp miss some time for that as well?

I forget what year that was. 06?

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 22, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

what?

over/under for how many of carp, waino, penny, and garcia will be unavailable for the playoffs:

1.5

Tis better to lose bunting than win with dingers alone...

by guayzimi on May 22, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Under

Praying….

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by mstreeter06 on May 22, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

curd we still afford albert, with anudder

$16m salary?

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on May 22, 2010 11:35 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

The guy's owed $33 million

over the next 2 years, is 32, and hasn’t been a 4 win pitcher since 2007. Pass. Lynn, right now, is more valuable.

by chuckb on May 22, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

In all seriousness, I love these buzz-killing buckets of cold VEB water

I was starting to wonder if maybe I wanted us to trade for him, and you guys quickly dashed that with logic. Phew!

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on May 22, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

hmm...

he’s headed for 5 wins this year he was close to 4 wins during the past couple of years when his back was bothering him. That likely will re-emerge to some degree, but I think if you trade for him for 1.5 years, you will get 5-7 wins. At $4 million per win, that’s a $20-$28 million value and he’s owed $25.5 million.

I would argue the Cardinals are the kind of team that might consider overpaying for Oswalt: they are built to win now and the rotation is dangerously frail and top heavy. On the other hand, players like Lynn are going to be hugely necessary once we dedicate 40-50% of our payroll to the Holli-jols.

Tough call. I’d say pass on Lynn for Oswalt unless they pick up salary, not that the Astros would ever accept that deal anyway. Drayton is going to want an irrationally large haul.

Tis better to lose bunting than win with dingers alone...

by guayzimi on May 22, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I am not saying Oswalt is a bad pitcher

but I wasn’t even considering his cost and the face that he’s not as elite as he used to be. It would be nice to have a solid guy around so we don’t have to rely so much on Carp and Garcia (and possibly Penny if his injury is serious), but I’m not exactly jumping at it right now.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on May 22, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

fact, not face

I have not typed this much in a long time. Been very busy with moving into a house getting to actually hang out with the wife before she starts intern year. Need to get back to VEB-form.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on May 22, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

i sorta expect him to go to texas

but the nats could and should do it – the lerners are unbelievably wealthy, and they could up the value of the org. maybe only pohlads in minny have more dough.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on May 22, 2010 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fangraphs has interesting take

linky

Oswalt’s contract is in the same range as Jake Peavy’s—maybe worse. There aren’t many teams who can afford it and give up the prospects HOU would want.

"They're so stunned they didn't even boo!"
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by gocards62 on May 22, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

They'd want a haul...

but he’s not worth a haul taking his contract into account.

I’d say the Phillies, Cardinals, Yankees, Rangers, Angels, and Dodgers have the need+money to do it.

Tis better to lose bunting than win with dingers alone...

by guayzimi on May 22, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

nats

dodgers have no money. mccourt has no money. that was a bad deal to let him buy the team that way – lots of shenanigans involved.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on May 22, 2010 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Way to go FESPN

The Saturday morning lede: Brett Favres ankle. CDGAFABFA.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on May 22, 2010 10:02 AM EDT reply actions  

We'll be haunted by

Brett Favre updates on ESPN all summer. Oh how I wish he would fade into the sunset.

by jjray on May 22, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

As a cheesehead I've been waiting on this for a few years now

It’s not going to happen, it never happens, its like the movie Groundhog’s day, except more annoying. Damn you Harold Ramis and Bill Murray! (Just kidding In love you guys, but Stripes and ghostbusters were better)

The bible declares an eye for an eye, so, let us now take our vengeance on this murderous ocean. . . You won't be hurting anyone anymore

by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on May 22, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

My mother hails

from Cheesehead land so I know where you are coming from. Personally I’m just tired of the east coast worship of Brett Farve.

by jjray on May 22, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

even the anchors think it's ridic

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on May 22, 2010 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Read RR's sig,

That says everything you need to know.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 22, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wonder if you can play that acronym for a pleasing tune.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on May 22, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

If you hum a few bars,

I’ll fake it.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 23, 2010 1:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Astros beating the Rays, lol

why didn’t they keep Myers in? that was a sure no-hitter.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on May 22, 2010 10:27 AM EDT reply actions  

Saturday lineup vs. Angels via BJ Rains

Lopez 2B
Ludwick RF
Pujols 1B
Holliday LF
Freese 3B
Rasmus CF
LaRue C
Ryan SS
Lohse P

Waiting to hear back on whether Pujols and Holliday really did switch back…

....my quick smells like french toast...

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by mstreeter06 on May 22, 2010 10:52 AM EDT reply actions  

yey i get to see boog play ball again

my canon might overheat with this lineup and the 90 degrees that are going to fry me today at busch

by d-dee on May 22, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

BJ Rains confirms

Pujols and Holliday are really switched back to normal

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by mstreeter06 on May 22, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Keep changing it every other day...

that’ll work.

Tis better to lose bunting than win with dingers alone...

by guayzimi on May 22, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

so U2 effed over the Angels (and I presume other teams)

because it takes them 10 days to set up their ginormous stage thing from the deep.

so Bono just went on the DL and now they’re starting to scrap concert dates.

I really hate other media effing up baseball. BASEBALL FIRST, a-holes.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on May 22, 2010 10:58 AM EDT reply actions  

I hate stadium bands

Tis better to lose bunting than win with dingers alone...

by guayzimi on May 22, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

It took soooo loooooong
That the team could not come ho-o-ome
Sooooo loooooong
Angels of anaheim
Or maybe los angeles
Angels of anaheim

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by tom s. on May 22, 2010 12:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

PJ will both relieve and start

he’ll be a reliever today and then will move into a starting role next week, assuming Penny goes on the DL. Interestingly, the off-day Monday is followed by 9 games before the next off-day, so PJ could be given the start in the fifth game (next Saturday vs. the Cubs). Then the schedule shows only six games before an off-day, another six games before an off-day, and then a 3-game series before still another off-day. Thus, the Cards could use the fifth starter only 3 times before June 26 (5 weeks from today!). No good time for an injury but this is far from the worst time in the season. Unfortunately, I had hoped the Cards would go easily on Jaime during this period to lessen his innings for the year, but Penny going on the DL will probably keep that from occurring. BTW, on the post-game show, Horton said the average recovery time from a lat injury is 2-4 weeks, though Woods was out 7 with his.

by CRay on May 22, 2010 11:00 AM EDT reply actions  

they did point out that PJ has good numbers against the cubs

man, that must’ve been a red-eye flight. if that’s a morning flight, he’ll be lucky to get to the stadium.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on May 22, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

as I recall

PJ started against the Cubs last year in Wrigley. I remember him throwing a lot of pitches just off the plate which the Cubs took. Don’t think he lasted very long in the game but can’t remember (and am too lazy to look up) how many runs the Cubs scored.

by CRay on May 22, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

Pretty sure it was the Cubs last year at Wrigley

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by mstreeter06 on May 22, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Most Cubs took them.

Didn’t he K Soriano thrice?

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--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on May 22, 2010 11:31 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I believe you're correct

and that does bring back a good memory

by CRay on May 22, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

It was his first ML start

I was there. He K-ed Soriano thrice then once they took peej out, soriano hit an 8th inning hr to take the lead and win it for the cubs

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1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
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by albrtfn on May 22, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

the peej has landed

red-eye

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by Yadi2Second on May 22, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL

StanTheManFan
Contributes any way he can.
He's normally a nuclear physicist
Except when writing for this list.

by StanTheManFan on May 22, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

i'd rec this

if i wasn’t reading it on my phone

by d-dee on May 22, 2010 11:41 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

it's that mustache

made him look like a villian.

"...and pujols has given st louis the lead"
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by tgreenfield on May 22, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

So on March 15, Kerry Wood was scratched from a game due to a sore lat.

He was DL’d on March 20 due to a moderate right lat strain.

He came back on May 8. So 8 weeks. Then again this is porcelain china doll Kerry Wood and we don’t know how severe Penny’s is.

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by The Continental on May 22, 2010 11:35 AM EDT reply actions  

...

RT @dgoold #Cardinals flip-flop Wainwright, Garcia. Set up Wainwright with a start at Wrigley. Could buy time for Penny Linky #stlcards

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by mstreeter06 on May 22, 2010 11:38 AM EDT reply actions  

DAMN

i’m going on memorial day. got all excited when i realized that would be wainwright’s spot. though i have no problem going to see garcia pitch for a second time this year.

by stlcardinalsfang on May 22, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

So,

Wainwright starts Sunday now?

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on May 22, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Leach

has this note on Penny:

It’s more Brad Penny, of course. I have 900 words or so on the topic up on the site now, but there’s still more to go into.

Most notably, there’s the fact that Penny felt something after his last start and didn’t notify the club. Those of you who watched the postgame probably noticed that TLR said that his mood “stinks.” And when asked if Penny’s injury was the cause, he said, “Yeah, that’s part of it.”

And while the manager didn’t elaborate beyond that, it can’t have sat well that Penny pitched while knowing that he had something amiss physically.

“The first day after Cincinnati, it didn’t feel that good,” Penny said. “The second day, it felt a little better. It was getting better and better, and I didn’t feel it at all in the bullpen [on Friday evening].”

Penny threw a side session between starts, and said he felt the injury “a little bit” at that time.

Leach’s Note featurette on the Mothership is a daily must-read.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on May 22, 2010 12:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Most notably, there’s the fact that Penny felt something after his last start and didn’t notify the club.

Yet again, another “gamer” goes down. Geez, maybe the Cardinals training staff should require post-game evals.

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by gocards62 on May 22, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rooting hard for PJ

I don’t know how I could deal with the tragedy that he and his wife dealt with, and I don’t think that I have openly pulled for someone to have a success more than PJ. I hope he goes out and pitches his ass off and gets to fulfill a lifelong dream, it may help with his nightmare personal 1st half of 2010.

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by coachnick39 on May 22, 2010 12:33 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Re: Penny's injury

Let’s face it—the guy is injury-prone. He’s only pitched 200 innings in a season (and barely) twice in his career, most recently in 2007.

So if he’s out until late July/early August, and the team doesn’t fall too far behind the Reds or even manages to hold the division lead, getting Penny’s requisite injury out of the way relatively early in the season may be a good thing.

Sure, now two games out of five will now be probable losses, but the team dealt with that situation all last year. Who knows, maybe Walters will prove to be better than Lohse. Anyway, the problem with this team lies with its offense, not its pitching at this point.

I suspect TLR hangs Lohse out to dry today to save the pen. This will be the throwaway game, and TLR will play to win the series on Sunday with Carpenter. I’m fearing one of those 15-1 Interleague Beatdowns that the team received on a semi-regular basis in 2006 and 2007. Whether he miraculously throws a gem or doubles his ERA, I think we’re seeing Lohse go at least 6.

by olddomination on May 22, 2010 12:50 PM EDT reply actions  

switch Lohse to LF, bring him back to pitch.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on May 22, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

If we were in Los Angeles of Anaheim,

I would be worried about a beatdown, but the Angels have to bat their pitcher, and that makes a total trouncing more difficult, especially for a poor offensive club like the Angels (who, despite employing a DH have managed to score only two more runs this year than our hometown 9). In fact, pitching in Busch III, I think Lohse stands a good chance to pitch well and save the ’pen (knock on wood).

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on May 22, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

angels aren't a poor offensive club, per se

like the cards, they have a lot of under-perfoming players right now, and will surely right the ship

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by cardball on May 22, 2010 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

without looking, i seem to think penny typically throws

About 180 innings.

In an earlier off-season post I compared him to harden and wolf in terms of 3 and 5 year averages for innings, and he came out ahead – by a fair amount.

Injury-prone is a loaded term. he’s had injuries – so have most pitchers. I don’t think penny fits the can’t-stay-on-the-field category. Even with this injury, I bet we get a good 150 from him.

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on May 22, 2010 1:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Grade 1 / least serious lat strain.

That’s relatively good news, at least.

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by The Continental on May 22, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mo says 15

days, not weeks.

http://yourenotagolfer.mlblogs.com/archives/2010/05/penny_to_dl_but_cards_optimist.html

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on May 22, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

aparently kyle l

doesnt like to stand for the anthem either

by d-dee on May 22, 2010 2:00 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

game thread

here

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on May 22, 2010 2:01 PM EDT reply actions  

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A free ticket to one person in the Chicagoland area for Tuesday’s game at Wrigley between the Dodgers and Cubs. Please look here for details. Making my choice in the morning.

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by Solanus on May 22, 2010 10:46 PM EDT reply actions  

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