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2010 Draft Preview Chapter Nine: In Which There Will be Talk of Strategery

Hype Williams directs a new documentary on the St. Louis Cardinals' 2010 season.  (Photo by Dilip Vishwanat/Getty Images)

Another game, another night of the Cardinals' vaunted offense making a pitcher with mediocre stuff and worse results look like a potential ace in the making. All just part of the great mystery the 2010 edition of the Cardinals has become. To wit: what does it mean when I can comfortably say I feel far, far more confident in the ability of a pitcher with less than 100 total innings in the major leagues and still less than two years removed from elbow reconstruction to throw up a line of zeroes than I do the capability of an offense featuring both Albert Pujols and Matt Holliday to score more than three runs on any given night? 

John Lannan came into last night's game with an ERA of 6.51 in 37.1 innings; he managed to drop that number a full half run over the course of the evening. He also came in sporting a K/BB of 13/22 (and no, I didn't switch those by mistake), and struck out only two Cardinal hitters, but that was still good enough for a 2/1 ratio on the night. It was only the second outing in 2010 for Lannan in which he allowed fewer hits than innnings pitched. 

In other words, the Cards once again looked less than stellar at the plate. 

Oh, well. I still believe this team is better offensively than they've looked. Don't get me wrong; that belief is getting harder and harder to hold on to with each passing game featuring a lineup playing the majority of the night on autopilot, but I'll make it work. I believed in Santa Claus until I was 20, and only then because my mother decided, following a pregnancy scare with my then-girlfriend, that I should know the truth before I irreparably scarred my own children with promises of gifts that would never come. 

Draft stuff after the jump. So pack it up and pack it in, seeing as how I'm ready to begin. 

Star-divide

Up until now, I've focused on the players in the draft themselves, writing reports only from the perspective of evaluating the players. Today, though, I wanted to look a little bit at the strategy of the picks the Cardinals will have, and what players might best fit into those spots. I'm going to do only the first three rounds, because a) those are the protected picks the Cards have, meaning there's an extra element in thinking about the picks, and b) because beyond about round three I don't know enough about the draft class as a whole to confidently discuss many of the players who should still be available and would actually fit in a given range. I can toss out individual names of players I find interesting, but I just don't have enough context. 

Anyway, the picks will, of course, hinge largely on my own preferences and biases, but I am going to make a concerted effort to think through the picks from the perspective of the Cardinals. 

The Cards will pick at #25 in the first round, #46 and 50 in the supplemental first round, #75 overall in the second round, and #106 in the third. Three picks out of the top 50 isn't a huge haul by any means, but it's certainly enough extra picks to hopefully bring in a nice load of talent to help bolster what is, at the moment, a rather thin system. 

Needs 

First off, we need to consider the Cardinals' needs in this draft. Now, I'm not really a big fan of drafting by need in the MLB draft; the players take far too long to develop for a team to key in on one position. That's how you end up reaching for a player based on where he stands on the field. (Pete Kozma, anyone?) Still, it's instructive to look where a system is weak, as teams often use position as a tie-breaker at the very least. As I see it, the Cards' current farm system needs are as follows: 

 

  1. Right Field
  2. Starting pitching (especially of the impact variety)
  3. Middle Infield
  4. Left-handed pitching, of any variety

 

Now, obviously, this isn't a complete list. After all, you can pretty much always find room to cram in a bit more talent at any given position, regardless of how much you may already have. Still, these are the areas I think the Cardinals should focus on if at all possible. Right field is a problem long-term, as the Cards have very few players who project out to be major leaguers in right, much less possible impact players. Starting pitching could really be on every team's list, every single year; but I think it's a legitimate area of emphasis for the Cards. They have Shelby Miller and a couple of intriguing arms at Quad Cities, and a few innings-eater types in the upper minors, but nothing that's lighting the world on fire in the near future. Middle infield has to be a point of emphasis, both just in general but also specifically at the moment for a team who has seen how quickly things can go south if you aren't solid up the middle of the diamond. The system is still thin on lefties, though there have been a few intriguing sinister arms brought in the last couple years. 

Round One, #25 Overall

Personally, I tend to be of the mind you draft the best player available in the first round, almost regardless of what position he plays. Even in an organisation with first base so thoroughly occupied for the foreseeable future, we've seen Brett Wallace have solid value based on his hitting ability. What I'm trying to say is even if the player doesn't have a clear road to the majors in your own system, the value of a pick in the first round is too high to go with a positional pick if there's a clearly better player available. 

There's an additional issue to be considered here, and that's the issue of signability; specifically, players with talent above the 25th pick but who may fall due to perceived difficulty in signing. 

It's really unclear who exactly will be available here to begin with, but there are plenty of good options. Given the players I think are likely to still be on the board for the Cards, Austin Wilson would be my first choice. He fits both the Cards' needs, in that he projects as a right fielder down the line, and passes the 'best player available' test, as if Wilson is still sitting there at 25 he's almost guaranteed to be the most talented player left on the board. 

The other two players I would most hope for at this spot are Kevin Gausman and Matt Harvey.  Both are right-handed pitchers; Gausman is a high-schooler from Colorado and Harvey is coming out of the University of North Carolina. Both are extremely talented; either one could very well project at the top of a major league rotation one day. Given the choice between them, I like Gausman a little better, That's strictly a matter of personal preference, however. Both are brilliantly talented, and I would be thrilled to get either one. 

In the end, I believe Wilson has a pretty good chance of still being around with teams scared off by his Stanford commitment and perceived price tag. If he is, I think he has to be the pick. 

Pick: Austin Wilson, OF

Supplemental Round

Going in to the supplemental first round, I think it's important to be aware that at least one of the two picks will likely have to be a bit of a budget picks. I know that isn't a particularly sexy thing to think about, or to have to deal with, but them's the facts. 

That, of course, means the Cards will be looking to save a little money with at least one of their supplemental picks, which points toward a college pitcher being taken with one of the two, and quite possibly an arm that profiles better in relief than starting. I know there are plenty out there who find it very frustrating to watch the Cards draft boringish right-handed college pitchers round after round, and I tend to agree. The Cardinals have, in the past, been one of the most risk-averse of teams in the draft, and it's annoying. Most of the Cards' major misstepps, in recent seasons at least, have come when they went with a supposedly 'safer' player over the one who they seemed to really want. 

Still, in this case, I'm okay with one of the two supplemental picks being a college reliever/ college arm who probably ends up in the bullpen anyway.  

#46 

I will say I'm hoping to avoid going cheap here. Somehow I get the feeling there will be at least one relatively expensive upside guy still sitting around here, and I would love to take him first. James Paxton could very well be that guy, considering his Scott Boras affiliation and the fact teams haven't really seen him pitch much this season. Paxton is really my dream scenario, though, and I expect him to be gone, but recently. So instead I'll go with another college arm, one I think could be had fairly reasonably. The other option, and one I would take if available, would be Jedd Gyorko out of West Virginia. I think he's already gone, though. So I'll take an arm I loved at the beginning of the season that has fallen some this spring while struggling with command. 

Pick: Alex Wimmers, RHP, Ohio State

#50 

Now here I definitely have to save a bit of cash, so here I'll go with another college arm, probably a relief one. Chad Bettis, Addison Reed, Asher Wojciewski, and Chance Ruffin represent the most likely suspects. Bettis has the best arm of the four and could very well be gone already. Reed is a back-and-forth convert guy, in college no less. Asher has a big arm already that could play even bigger once he moves to shorter stints. I would be happy with either Wojciewski or Ruffin (who I like more than most), and I'll go with the one I like better. 

Pick: Chance Ruffin, RHP, Texas

Round Two, #75 overall

In this round, I'm going to go back to the well of signability and go after a guy who's slipping as teams pass on his price tag or a college commitment. There are plenty of guys who fit this bill; Zach Alvord is one of my favourites of this type. I believe in the bat, I like the athleticism, and I love the second base projection. Middle of the diamond hitting potential is big-time valuable, and I'm going to bet on it. Problem is, he probably won't still be here next time I pick, and he isn't going to be cheap. Oh, well. 

Pick: Zach Alvord, SS/2B

Round Three, #106 overall

This is the final protected pick for the Cardinals, meaning none of the picks after this one will carry over into next year's draft if they fail to come to terms with the player. Thus, with my final protected pick, I want to take another tough sign, knowing if I can't get him into pro ball I'll have another shot at the pick. A draft-eligible sophomore, a prep product with a strong college commitment, or just a high-schooler with bigger bonus demands, that's the sort of player I'll be targeting here. 

One name that stands out to me here is Taijuan Walker, a right-handed pitcher out of Yucaipa High School in California. Walker has very good stuff, with a fastball up to 93 and a plus curve at times. He's very raw, though, and hasn't had a great spring, so I could easily see him still on the board at this point. If he is, he's just the sort of player I'm looking for. 

Pick: Taijuan Walker, RHP, Yucaipa High School

Now, from this point on, I just go with whatever player I like at any given spot in the draft, trying to accentuate those positions of need if at all possible. I like Nick Tepesch possibly in the fourth round, seeing as how his performance never has come around. I still believe he'll benefit from a change to wooden bats and proper coaching could make all the difference in the world. (That's not to say the coaches at Missouri aren't doing a good job; only that they don't seem to have been able to figure out how best to help Tepesch get more out of his arm.) 

So that's my strategy. It's probably a bit on the aggressive side for what the Cardinals will do, but I don't think it's completely out of line. They've publicly spoken of the need to spend in this draft, what with the extra picks, and I honestly believe they've learned their lesson from some of their misses in recent years. I tried to take some risks with my protected picks, seeing as how any failure to sign a player doesn't carry as much of a penalty in the first three rounds it would later. (The mistake the Cards made with Kyle Russell a few years back, if you'll remember.) 

What sort of strategy would you like to see the Cardinals pursue on draft day? Safer or riskier? Tools or production? Signable players or shoot for the moon? Discuss. 

The Baron's Playlist for the 19th of May, 2010

"Feelin' Good" - Nina Simone

"Artificial Flowers" - Bobby Darin

"Love Me or Leave Me" - Lena Horne

"Comin' Home Baby" - Mel Torme

"Heaven and Hell" - Black Sabbath

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Bryce Harper

Don’t worry, I’m not naive enough to think he’ll be around. I’m just curious if the informed posters here think he’ll go #1. It seems there are some who think he is overhyped and will fall. Thoughts?

by mike-h on May 19, 2010 2:20 PM EDT reply actions  

If he doesn't go #1

find shelter, because the sky is falling.

There’s such a big gap between him and anyone else in this draft. The only comparable upside guys to him in terms of talent from the past 10 years were Mauer, Prior, and Strasburg.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on May 19, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

what about them upton boys?

did they both go #1 overall?

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on May 19, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

at the time justin upton definitely seemed more hyped, in terms of upside, than mauer was

though he didn’t have to compete with Mark Prior. Delmon Young also got a lot of hype, and justifiably so, until he actually appeared in the Major Leagues.

by DanUpBaby on May 19, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't think about Upton and Young

But I also think that there were a LOT of good players in the top 10 of those drafts. You had Clement, Zimmerman, Braun, Bruce, Tulo, Romero, Pelfrey, Maybin, and McCutchen in the top 15 of the draft with Upton, and you could make the case that 5 of those guys have actually outperformed him so far in the big leagues although he is far younger than most of them.

There weren’t as many good players in the ‘03 draft with Young, but I also think that’s why he went #1. I don’t think he was a better bet than, say, Rickie Weeks or Ryan Harvey, but there was a lot of mystique surrounding his unreal numbers in high school and everyone thought he was the next great 5 tool guy. Even the Twins fell for this when they dealt for him 4 years later.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on May 19, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't see why...

He doesn’t have Griffey’s sweet swing, but he’s got everything else….

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on May 19, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

wow

impressive rb… going to read this after work!

rip dio

RFL

by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 19, 2010 2:22 PM EDT reply actions  

ot: scott rovak

the evil genius with the lens that he is, has captured boog had a sad from last night
i hope he gets going again soon, because with that face, i can’t even imagine what’s going on in his head

by d-dee on May 19, 2010 2:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Aw, Boog.

Looks like he wants to beat his head with that bat and mutter “Stupid! Stupid! Stupid!”

by Andyfantastic on May 19, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Austin wilson

I would be quite stoked if he fell to the cards at 25

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by Dttl89 on May 19, 2010 2:41 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

You know what I like about that picture?

Look who’s the first guy to greet Ludwick. I know everyone makes comments like “no one’s happier than Brendan Ryan that Ludwick hit a homerun.” That’s just false. Ryan’s pissed because he just dug himself a bigger hole. He had every right to just say F it and go pout in the lockerroom. But he didnt. Signs of a good teammate. I know intangibles are shrugged off here a lot but I think it’s worth nothing.

Gamethreads suck.

by stltrav09 on May 19, 2010 2:50 PM EDT reply actions  

That's kind of a weird high-five though.

The body language says “Sigh. Here’s my hand. Slap it. Slap it, if you would. I shall maintain maximum distance, so as not to transfer the microbes of my suckitude unto you, Mr. Ludwick.”

by Andyfantastic on May 19, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha

he should’ve been the happiest about the homer – after getting picked-off, it sort of bailed him out. (i suppose it was bittersweet since it cost us a run, if we assume luddy still homers with boog on first.)

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on May 19, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

this is interesting actually

i wonder if RFL would have hit a homerun with boog on first? i mean, i’m guessing a lot of pitchers pitch differently when there’s a guy (guys) on base. and not just from the stretch, but different pitch selection, etc. say he threw over and didn’t pick off ryan, then threw over a another time. maybe now his head is in a different place. maybe now he walks luddy, holliday GIDP, and we score 0.

i’m just saying…what if we actually won the game BECAUSE of boog’s mistake?

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on May 19, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

i would say this is actually pretty likely

but i’m a bit of a determinist

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on May 19, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting.

The pitch wasn’t a strike, though. I don’t think they were trying to give him something good to hit.

You can read it in any tone you like.

by spants on May 19, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

maybe luddy isn't swinging for the fences on a pitch out of the zone with a runner on first

maybe brendan steals second on the next pitch and they IBB luddy. all sorts of possibilities. maybe nothing would have changed.

just pointing out that some people (not you, not most of the posters here) should not be so quick to kick b ryan when he’s down.

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on May 19, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, I agree. I'm big Brendan Ryan fan.

I actually thought there was very little wrong with him until recently. He just had bad luck. But he clearly went off the rails at some point.

As for Ludwick, I’ve never not seen him swing for the fences. :)

You can read it in any tone you like.

by spants on May 19, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

re: ludwick

touche, spants. touche.

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on May 19, 2010 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

we don't know what would've happened

the pitcher could’ve been relieved the runner was gone and let up momentarily, but if i was boog i wouldn’t try to sell that story.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on May 19, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

to play devil's advocate...

boog could have been selfishly relieved because RFL’s homer removed the spotlight from his bone-headed mistake.
I’m pretty sure this forum would have a few more ‘send boog to the minors!’ comments if we’d loss the game last night.

by _pistol_ on May 19, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good stuff, RB.

I really think a team like that Cards, that continually seems to draft at the bottom of the board, needs to go aggressive, like you suggest. Best talent available, despite the club’s need.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on May 19, 2010 2:52 PM EDT reply actions  

When is Carlos Silva going to come back to Earth?

You guys promised me his early-season performance was unsustainable! Well here we are starting to approach June and he’s still not sucking!

The thought of the Cubs actually getting something good out of the whole Milton Bradley debacle sickens me. Sickens me, I tell you!

by Andyfantastic on May 19, 2010 3:05 PM EDT reply actions  

It looks like

HanRam will be in the lineup tonight. Damn.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on May 19, 2010 3:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Well, awesome.

He does not hustle, ergo he sucks.

by Andyfantastic on May 19, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wonder what an all-no hustle team would look like

Or, at least, a team full of players who have had various coaches/members of the media chastise them for a lack of hustle.

1B – Adam Dunn
2B – ?
SS – Hanley Ramirez
3B – ?
LF – Manny Ramirez
CF – ?
RF – ?

Help me out here, VEB. It has the makings of an explosive offense whose defense is god-awful!

by jd is legend on May 19, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

brandon phillips at 2b?

dusty recently called him into the office to discuss his hustle.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on May 19, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yadi at catcher

Wasn’t Al displeased with his lack of hustle at some point last year?

by mojowo11 on May 19, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

he might just be slow getting started

especially when he pulls the ball.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on May 19, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

no doubt in my mind that freese is thrilled to be in st louis and giving it everything he has

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on May 19, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

floppy, soriano

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on May 19, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

CF - Andruw Jones

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

by TBender on May 19, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

milton bradley deserves a spot in the OF

or at least DH.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on May 19, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

when did steve kline not hustle

running in from the bullpen?

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on May 19, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

you're right.

i’m off the rails. I lost track of the the topic here.

by _pistol_ on May 19, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

threw his glove at him if i recall...

…nevermind, that was something else.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on May 19, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Adam Dunn on the all-no-hustle team?

But, he is white and that bucks a trend.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on May 19, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'd somehow forgotten about bj upton

he’s had to apologize several times

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on May 19, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Juan E?

JEd was always accused of being lackadaisical in Anaheim

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on May 19, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

JD Drew might fit in CF or RF

He certainly has a reputation as a non-hustler, although I’m not sure how earned it is.

by BTown Birds fan on May 19, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Andruw Jones got pulled from a game in Atlanta for lollygagging.

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

by TBender on May 19, 2010 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

i had minimal problem with the lack of hustle

i was more bothered by the lack of mea culpa afterwards and the asshole comment he made about his manager.

by _pistol_ on May 19, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

i had just as much problem with the hustle as i did the aftermath

he went full-speed for the ball while it was in the air, and then jogged? surprised his own pitcher didn’t plant one in his ribs. the other guys didn’t even want to look at him.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on May 19, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

he was probably just pissed off

not and excuse, but the comments afterward are a much bigger deal

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on May 19, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

the story on mlb.com says he will apologize to his teammates first

and that he claims the stuff about fredi not playing in the majors was misconstrued – he meant something about how there are cameras all over mlb parks, but not in the minors…whatever that means.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on May 19, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

this is a great read, especially the linked article that is quoted from

with albert pujols making an appearance. hanley obviously didn’t want a piece of the hawk:

http://www.fishstripes.com/2010/5/19/1479376/hawk-stages-intervention-with

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on May 19, 2010 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

in the story linked, here's a nice quote from pujols
Dawson said he reminded Ramirez about his episode from March 2009, when he demanded a trade because he was told to follow team rules by getting a haircut and no longer wearing jewelry on the field.

A week after that incident, Dawson heard Ramirez talking in Jupiter to his friend, St. Louis Cardinals slugger Albert Pujols.

“Albert said, ’Don’t change,’ ’ Dawson recalled. "And Hanley looked at him and smiled. And Albert said again, ‘All I ask is that you don’t change. You’re changing.’ ’

oh mang

Rasmus can hit lefties
cardinalred
St. Louis Sports blog

by stlcardsfan4 on May 19, 2010 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes, see how hanley took the meaning wrong initially?

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on May 20, 2010 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

rb great stuff, and you know that i think very similar to you.

Here’s how I would do your draft differently. I totally agree that signability shouldn’t really matter, I just think Wilson is not the person we should look at 25. The Stanford commitment scares me, his track record on anything other than fastballs scares me, he’s had a slow start to spring and I don’t know if I agree that RF is a huge organizational need. By the time Wilson would be considered ready, any one of our OF prospects like Craig, Henley, or jay would be there.
Where should we look then? How about Nick Castellanos. Plus power projection, good compact swing(see Klaw’s video), good arm and range, and generally grades out as a 55-60 type of prospect. He’ll end up at 3rd, and we’d have to buy out a Miami commitment. But give him 4 years, he’ll be 22, replacing a hypothetical league average 31 year old David Freese. Fits both rubrics for need and talent. Cost controlled power, good glove, and youth? Umm yes sir. Between a rf and a 3b(or rf himself if he somehow loses athleticism or range), I always take the best positional value.

Now of course, if Wilson, castellanos, and Gausmann are all there, that’s a wonderful problem to have. Loved the supplemental picks, I like wimmers too(and curse my B10 school for not having a baseball team so I could watch him and kvasnicka). Speaking of Kvasnicka, I would like to take a look him in the 2nd round if he’s available. Certainly a better hitter than Stock, and based off my personal experience umpiring behind the plate when he was catching, has a cannon. Small sample, though :)

"...and pujols has given st louis the lead"
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by tgreenfield on May 19, 2010 3:21 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I don't think Castellanos makes it that deep and if he does, he's going to Miami.

In two years, he could fill out, mash in college and be a top 5 pick.

FWIW, I’d rather have Zach Cox, even though he’s not likely to be there either.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on May 19, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like your optimism....

I don’t think that the Cardinals are going to take any players with signability issues after their first pick. I just don’t think that the ownership group wants to invest those type of dollars into players and they certainly don’t want to use a pick on someone that might end up going to school and get nothing for that pick. That said:

Round #1:

I don’t think Wilson is going to be there, but if he is the team should definitely take him and pay him a bit over slot to get him in the fold. If he’s not there, I think it will be Gausman. Harvey just seems to have too many issues and hasn’t been dominant enough at the college level.

Supplemental:

I think Wimmers and Ruffin are very good possibilities and would be good additions. I, too, still like Wimmers and don’t understand why he’s fallen so much. I’m a huge Gyorko fan, but he’ll be gone long before #46. Ruffin has a chance to move through the system quickly, just like Huston Street did, although I think he’s got the same injury potential as Street, considering his workload at Texas and the fact that he played for Augie who has a long history of abusing pitchers with large workloads.

The other thing I think the Cardinals need to think about here is taking Stetson Allie if he’s still on the board. The kid has a ridiculous arm and a tremendous amount of upside, but might cost a bit to sign. It would be an out of character pick for the Cardinals and it probably won’t happen (due to them taking Wilson in the first round and paying him, or taking Gausman or Harvey and not wanting another pitcher). But they could also take Allie at #46 and then hedge that bet by taking someone like Addison Reed or Asher Wojciechowski at #50 since both are likely to be there and both would be fairly cheap signs and are college kids that would move in the system quickly.

I really don’t have any opinion on the other two picks. If Alvord is there in the second round, it’s probably a waste to take him as you’ll have to pay him first round money to keep him from going to Auburn. Don’t know who else you would take here though, unless Rick Hague is still hanging around (and his comp would probably be Tyler Greene, not sure if we want another one of those…).

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on May 19, 2010 3:24 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't agree, but I'll comment on the philosophy of pinching pennies in the draft.

The Pujols extension looms over this franchise’s future and should inform every decision we make. Because of this, I think the club needs to shift away from pinching pennies in the draft. I know that the organization will say that the MLB payroll and draft budget (as well as the budget for signing Latin American players) are separate pots and that one does not have an effect on the other. And maybe they don’t. But, if we are going to tie up as much payroll in two players as we seem poised to do, we need to re-think our draft strategy and start going after those players with signability issues and going after top-talent picks. We should not be drafting NCAA righties who project as bullpenners. We will be in desperate need of low-cost, high-impact talent come 2014 and beyond.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on May 19, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

a boulevard wheat van

just turned around in the driveway across from my house in texas. this makes me happy

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on May 19, 2010 3:57 PM EDT reply actions  

must have just realized where he was and tried to get out of there as fast as he could...

this here be Shiner territory.
Man, now you’ve got me craving some Boulevard…

by stxcardsfan on May 19, 2010 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Still marveling at the job Carp did last night

with much less than his average stuff. By all accounts, we should have lost that game something like 6-3. Striking out Harris in the 7th with two on, one out, and getting Bernadina in the 8th to end the inning on pure fumes was awesome. Carp would certainly lead my “all-guts” team.

by Iowa on May 19, 2010 4:16 PM EDT reply actions  

That's good.

Because TLR left him out there to throw the most pitches he has thrown in a start since 2006 (which was before Tommy John Surgery and his nerve transposition surgery). It’s always smart to ask that much of one of your co-aces who has been experiencing numbness in his fingers to beat the Washington Nationals on May 19th. Great long-term thinking by the field manager there.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on May 19, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dunc did visit the mound in the 8th

I suppose Carp would be expected to say, “I’m fine”…….

by Iowa on May 19, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, no, no.

Carp would be expected to say, “Get the f—- back in the dugout. So I have two baserunners and just gave up the tying run? I don’t give a f—-! I’m going strike this motherf—-er out!”

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on May 19, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think i read something about it

it was intermittent and pretty far between

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on May 19, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seems like it has been continuous.

Here is the story from Strauss:

Carpenter also acknowledged he occasionally still feels the effects of scarring that caused a shutdown in nerves running to his right arm in 2004 and 2008. Insisting the sensation has not affected his pitching this season, Carpenter said he has awakened to numbness in his right hand or arm. Carpenter continues to perform an exercise regimen to lessen the frequency and severity of the condition, which doctors believe could eventually return.

“It’s an ongoing process,” Carpenter said. “Everybody knew coming into last season (there was some uncertainty),” Carpenter said. “We didn’t know what to expect or what was going on. We wanted to see how it worked out and do everything we could to keep it strong. That’s what we’re doing this year.”

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on May 19, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Strauss. That's why I missed it.

You can read it in any tone you like.

by spants on May 19, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

grit and guts is great after you’ve let a bunch of guys on base, but all things considered I’d rather be bored.

by DanUpBaby on May 19, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

fwiw, here's mlb.com's mock top-ten draft board:

nats – harper
pitt – taillon
bal – machado
kc – grandal
cle – sale
ari – pomeranz
nym – brentz
hou – mcguire
sd – vitek
oak – cox

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on May 19, 2010 4:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Tonights Lineup via Miklasz tweet

Lopez SS
Ludwick RF
Holliday LF
Pujols 1B
Rasmus CF
Freese 3B
Molina C
Schumaker 2B
Garcia P

....my quick smells like french toast...

Twitter: @mstreeter06

by mstreeter06 on May 19, 2010 4:46 PM EDT reply actions  

i'm lovin' it

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"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on May 19, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I look at this line-up and it just baffles me that it has such a hard time scoring

hopefully tonight will be the end of my baffl…baffling? Bafflement? Baffleation? Er…I won’t be baffled anymore.

by mattyp on May 19, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

baffleupagus?

Cardinals Baseball 2010...Catch the Infection!

by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on May 19, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

term used to describe ryan ludwick's facial expression

when tony larussa sends relief pitchers up to bat, originally coined when brendan ryan pinch-hit in lieu of mr. ludwick in an actual mlb game.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on May 19, 2010 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I won free tickets today on Twitter.

Hope my 100% winning percentage extends another game!

You can read it in any tone you like.

by spants on May 19, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

what contest is this?

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on May 19, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

the contest was

who sounds the most intimidating when threatening a stabbing

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on May 19, 2010 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I never said it was a contest.

Just said I won free tickets.

You can read it in any tone you like.

by spants on May 19, 2010 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

busy day...

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on May 19, 2010 6:29 PM EDT reply actions  

hey, how does it work in fantasy with starting pitchers?

do you only start one of your staff any given day, and what happens if none are actually pitching? was just wondering if you planned on starting ely saturday, assuming he gets that fox game.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on May 19, 2010 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Depends league to league.....

my espn you just have x amount of pitcher spots, and they can be filled with whatever combo of relief and starters you want. When they pitch, you get points. Viva el league is 4 or 5 starters and 3 relievers. I picked up your boy in VEL, but for some reason CBS has him as a reliever.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on May 19, 2010 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

so you just pick your top pitchers to play

and have a few backup plans in case of injury or ineffectiveness? can you change it out daily, or do you set it for a week at a time?

funny, because he’s never pitched in relief. does that prevent you from starting him?

last question: that reliever on the nats, with the 7 wins. is he a good fantasy guy to have, even though he gets the wins by blowing saves?

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on May 19, 2010 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nats reliever, I would say no.

I would say that he’s just as likely to rattle off 7 losses in his next decisions…..Too volatile for me.

The rest of that is correct.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on May 19, 2010 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry had to do some work.

You can set your roster daily, as well.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on May 19, 2010 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also, yes,

I can’t put him in the starter slot.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on May 19, 2010 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

well, that's too bad

hopefully they’ll change his designation or else he’s worthless. and hopefully they change it before he starts getting blown up (anti-jinx).

last year he started for AA birmingham of the chisox, and this year made 3 starts for the dodgers triple A before getting flown in to new york to start when padilla went down. then he stuck around for his next start in LA against the brewers, went down for a few days on some sort of roster move, then came back up to make his next start against arizona and remained on the roster to pitch in LA vs houston on monday. he’s still there and supposed to pitch saturday. so it must be just some clerical-type error at cbs – dodgers don’t have any plans to put him in the pen.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on May 19, 2010 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

you didn't pick him in VEL,

i did

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on May 20, 2010 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Funny, cause I seem to have him on my

roster as a reliever, I f you have him as well I call shenanigans
Viva el Sellout league that is.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on May 20, 2010 3:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

proof


Suck it.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on May 20, 2010 3:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

this is some fucked up league y'all are in

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on May 20, 2010 5:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

i take it back

i thought two guys had the same player, but it seems now it’s two different leagues…although it still may well be fucked up.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on May 21, 2010 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

oh

chitown’s yahoo league is also called viva el league

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on May 20, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

in the league i'm in

all stats are compiled weekly

right now, i’ve got six SPs and five spots. so after j// sanchez’ start last night, i put him on the bench and took ely off. i will get credit for his stats on saturday

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on May 20, 2010 1:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

but do you or RR have him?

and is he listed as a starter? i will probably get excoriated for this in the end, but if i had him i would really like him on saturday…like really a lot, though i don’t even know who the opposing pitcher is for detroit. but he beat haren and wandy already, and he doesn’t really give a fuck…livin’ the high life.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on May 20, 2010 5:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

he's a starter in my yahoo league

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on May 20, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

so, i am sure this has been posted somewhere already

but i just grabbed these numbers to make a point to a friend:

Matt Holliday with the bases empty: 361/.410/.542 (awesome.)

Matt Holliday with runners on: .214/.304/.343 (yikes)

Matt Holliday with RISP: .163/.255/.184 (WTF?!)

unbelievable. and depressing as hell.

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on May 19, 2010 6:35 PM EDT reply actions  

I see this and I think

Why isn’t he batting leadoff?

"And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is ALBERT when I lay my vengeance upon thee." -The Bible

by Cardinals645 on May 19, 2010 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I need a drink.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on May 19, 2010 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

me too

sorry.

…or, you’re welcome.

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on May 19, 2010 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm stuck at work for another hour,

So the former is appropriate.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on May 19, 2010 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was mostly kidding,

but since his contract IS a sunk cost, if this is an actual trend (as opposed to small sample size noise) leadoff becomes the best option.

But again — kidding, I’m pretty confident that this will balance out.

"And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is ALBERT when I lay my vengeance upon thee." -The Bible

by Cardinals645 on May 19, 2010 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

do you mean sunk cost or fixed cost?

sunk cost, i thought, meant when you just DFA a guy and eat the salary.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on May 19, 2010 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sunk

You have to pay it whether you put him on the roster or not. They can’t get out of it.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on May 19, 2010 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I meant sunk

but by that I don’t mean he should be DFA’d. A ‘sunk cost’ just means that the money is already committed, so we should do whatever gets us the most benefit regardless or original plans or intentions.

In some cases that means you DFA a guy, but I just mean he should bat in whatever spot in the order that yields the best value to the team. If that’s leadoff instead of cleanup, we should bat him there.

"And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is ALBERT when I lay my vengeance upon thee." -The Bible

by Cardinals645 on May 19, 2010 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

huh

i always thought sunk cost, in the baseball sense, had a negative connotation. so everyone under contract is actually a sunk cost?

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on May 19, 2010 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Technically, yes.

But you’re right, it’s most often used in a negative context in baseball.

"And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is ALBERT when I lay my vengeance upon thee." -The Bible

by Cardinals645 on May 19, 2010 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

ok

i was worried about holliday being a sunk cost in terms of how i’ve heard it used – we’re not even a year into the contract yet!!

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on May 19, 2010 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

i don't know if it's yikes

it could be yips, imo. hopefully it’s just something random going on – i’m just not entirely convinced of that. and i believe if tony thought it was just something random, hollihead and apu wouldn’t have been switched…but it’s futile, as we know, to try to get into the master’s noggin.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on May 19, 2010 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

i was willing to let it go for a long time, but we're approaching the end of may

 any randomness should have worked itself out by now….

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on May 19, 2010 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

but it works with nobody on!!

that number with RISP is discouraging, but the one with runners on must be all-encompassing, because i think spants posted a number the other day with only a man on first, and it was good. so we know that with no one on or only a man on first, holliday is our guy. just don’t let that man on first advance to second while he is batting, or we are doomed. i don’t care if the pitch goes into the stands, we should refuse the base.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on May 19, 2010 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lineup Construction

Joe Sheehan says that the Albert batting cleanup decision doesn’t make sense.

He suggests this as an optimized lineup:

Ludwick, R
Rasmus, L
Pujols, R
Holliday, R
Freese, R
Lopez, S
Molina, R
Pitcher
Schumaker, L

I think that lineup looks pretty good. And I agree that TLR should return to the pitcher batting 8th and Albert 3rd. If you want to go to Rasmus, Holliday, Pujols, I could deal with that too.

by OCCardsFan on May 19, 2010 6:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Not sure I see Ludwick-the-leadoff-hitter

I think the two Cardinals power hitters most optimized for the early spots in the order are Rasmus and Holliday—high on-base percentage, excellent baserunning.

by DanUpBaby on May 19, 2010 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

a problem i have with that is it's based on lopex being a .316 obp guy

not sure if he’s really had enough ab’s yet this year to use that as the number. i’d like holliday 2 though, and apu 3, with the pitcher 8th.

an interesting number is that each spot in the lineup is worth 18 ab’s per year, or roughly 4 games – apu could do a lot of damage in 4 games, but i’m not sure how to really calibrate it when it’s spread though the season – that’s about 3 ab’s per month.

someone was wondering about this the other day, thinking apu moving one spot in the order could be worth 3 wins either way, which seemed pretty excessive, but you can draw your own conclusions from this:

“The difference between the best and worst possible lineups is about 50 runs a season, and the range among the reasonable options is a third of that. On the other hand, 15 runs is worth a win-and-a-half…”

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on May 19, 2010 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey Monk,

What the hell are you guys doing to the Olympics?

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on May 19, 2010 7:08 PM EDT reply actions  

we really don't "get" mascots over here, I think.

Apologies to the rest of the civilised world.

Chris Carpenter doesn't give a fuck about your fantasy team.

by Felonius_Monk on May 20, 2010 4:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

apparently

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on May 20, 2010 5:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

RB, I largely agree with your outline, but if I could quibble...

I’d list our needs as:
1. SS
2. Bat (realistically, at either RF or 3B)
3. SP
4. 2B/3B
5. LHP

I think our need at SS is HUGE, with Brendan’s struggles. I’m not giving up on him yet, but even if he figures it out (and I hate to say it, because who doesn’t love Boog?) we can’t rely on him to be the starter for more than a season or two into the future. And we don’t really have any other internal options, especially with Kozma’s struggles.
That said, there aren’t going to be any high-upside SS at #25. I agree that I wouldn’t want a guy like Colon (even if he fell to us) in Round 1, so I think we should look at someone like Josh Rutledge in maybe the 4th round.

With the Bat vs. RF thing, I think we’re generally thinking the same thing. Obviously a LF/1B type won’t work so a RF is ideal, but I want to emphasize that our need is someone who can mash, and not necessarily a RF.

"And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is ALBERT when I lay my vengeance upon thee." -The Bible

by Cardinals645 on May 19, 2010 7:17 PM EDT reply actions  

they could also look to find a SS in the latin market

i was hoping they went after sano instead of mateo (who was maybe that RF guy) – don’t recall what the cost differential was, and maybe we didn’t rate sano so high, idk, but i believe the twins got him, and they don’t usually throw money around unless they’re pretty sold on a guy, and they don’t make too many mistakes as far as i know.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on May 19, 2010 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Kevin Goldstein over at BP was saying that Sano would fill out in the long run

He might even have to play LF, if I recall correctly.

Not sure how widespread the consensus is on that, but I’m pretty sure he said he wasn’t likely to be a SS in the majors.

"And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is ALBERT when I lay my vengeance upon thee." -The Bible

by Cardinals645 on May 19, 2010 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

ok, didn't know that

3b maybe?

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on May 19, 2010 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just took a look at KG's Twins Top 11 Prospects

3B or RF makes sense for Sano.

I’d love to have him, but we definitely need a true SS, and soon.

"And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is ALBERT when I lay my vengeance upon thee." -The Bible

by Cardinals645 on May 19, 2010 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

i agree

unless you want to put your faith in kozma or niko, which i do not.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on May 19, 2010 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Even if I wanted to, they're not really giving me any choice.

Kozma’s got a sub-.700 OPS

Actually, Niko’s OPS is .871, but he’s at 3B now according to MiLB

"And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is ALBERT when I lay my vengeance upon thee." -The Bible

by Cardinals645 on May 19, 2010 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

grabiel hernandez!

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by prophetjohn on May 20, 2010 2:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

what's his story?

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on May 20, 2010 5:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

enormous left testicle.

Chris Carpenter doesn't give a fuck about your fantasy team.

by Felonius_Monk on May 20, 2010 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure I've ever heard of a HS, college or latin SS

who scouts DIDN’T think would have to move to 2B or 3B at least…

Chris Carpenter doesn't give a fuck about your fantasy team.

by Felonius_Monk on May 20, 2010 4:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

I trust you if you say Wilson

But I want Gausman. Imaging if he turns out to be a strong pik and we don’t let Waino walk soon a rotation of A.D.A.M., Jaime, Miller, Gausman,(insert cheap, innings eating vet here). 4/5 of which would be cheap.

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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on May 19, 2010 7:52 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Whoa now

Even Miller is way too far away to be planning on him being a big leaguer. In a perfect world he’d be in High-A by the end of the year, in AA to end next year and start 2012 in AAA. A shoulder “twinge” or “forearm tightness” or “I’m not sure where the velocity went but we’re working on it” in there and who knows.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on May 19, 2010 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

i wouldn't mind if they were just a little more aggressive

like high-a sooner this year, and then take it from there for where he starts out next year.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on May 19, 2010 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I haven't had a chance to sift through the comments

but I very much disagree that the farm system is short on starting pitching. Given pitching’s high volatility of return in the draft and the lack of impact position players, the Cardinals would be much better off going after a bat than arms. The system lacks more in terms of position players than it does starters, imo.

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by azruavatar on May 19, 2010 8:44 PM EDT reply actions  

I didn't say the system was short on starting pitching.

I said I thought it should be an area of emphasis. When I look through the Cards’ system, I see very few guys who I think have a chance to be impact starting pitchers at the big league level. There’s lots of depth, yes, but not a lot of guys I think have the potential to be much more than #5 types. The one exception is the Quad Cities rotation, where there are several arms with the raw talent to be more.

Perhaps it was poor wording on my part, but I didn’t mean I thought the system was lacking starting pitching and they needed to shore it up. I meant I thought the Cards need to put an emphasis on finding at least one or two more high ceiling arms in this draft if at all possible.

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by the red baron on May 21, 2010 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

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Two Trades That Set the Cards Back in the 70s
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Cardinals Offense vs. Reds Offense - 2012
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Cardinals Rotation vs. Reds Rotation - 2012
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Best Cardinals by Position - Center Fielders

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