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Around SBN: Win or Lose, Boston Celtics' New Big 3 Era A Success

a return to form

whatever else may be said about last night's game, i believe the two following things should be noted:

a) we won, preventing an embarrassing cession of first place; and

b) the win was a very familiar kind of win.

familiar in so many ways, yet in ways not seen much in the last month: runs scored on dingers; ryan franklin entering the game, allowing enough baserunners to make my dining room feel crowded, yet somehow managing to pull out a save; tony la russa pulling off crazy pinch-hitter and reliever selections. what a relief from a month of heretofore unknown weirdness -- yadi stealing bases like an extremely ungainly michael bourn, runs scored exclusively on singles and sac flies, etc.

i was reflecting on tony's now notorious choice to allow mitchell boggs (lifetime OBP .045) to hit - or at least bunt - for himself, to pinch-hit joe mather for colby rasmus, and then to pull boggs for ryan franklin in the next inning. like some of the posters in last night's thread, i thought up various explanations about matchups and weird scenarios in the dugout, speculative trick play ideas canned at the last minute. then i came up with an even better explanation: tony does deliberately crazy things to keep people off their guard.

conventional wisdom is useful, but just that: conventional. conventional wisdom is that on your first day in prison, you should beat the crap out of the biggest guy in the joint; then no one will give you trouble. the problems with this conventional wisdom are many. a few of them: this presupposes your ability to beat up the guy who has been bench pressing a broom handle with six mop buckets full of water hung from it for the last 15 years; and it ignores the possibility that, even if you succeed, you may become the biggest, baddest guy in the place that all the new guys will sucker punch with a lunch tray and slice with a sharpened toothbrush to prove how tough they are.

tony instead is like the guy who drives a fork through the palm of his own hand in the lunch line and then uses the still-stuck-in-his-hand fork* to try to stab the biggest, baddest guy in the lunch room. the logic behind this tactic being that, regardless of whether he is successful, he will develop the rep of being completely insane and unpredictable. tell me that dusty baker doesn't sit in the dugout and wonder "what do i do if he sends jason larue in to pinch hit next inning. . . but batting left-handed? he could do it; after all, he is tony la russa. maybe i better save my loogy and let the right-hander pitch to rasmus."   

* i do not recommend this tactic if incarcerated. for one, prison utensils have for many years been plastic, ever since freddy "the fork" malone laid waste to 5 louisiana correctional facilities. for another, freddy the fork died of sepsis after particles from otherwise inedible corned beef hash came off his fork and entered his bloodstream at the sixth institution. think on that, tony.

Star-divide

i wanted to touch on one issue that had arisen earlier in the week. a useful stat to keep in mind - the league-wide average LOB for pitchers is 71.7%.

logically, in a large sample size, you would expect an offense to strand about the same number of runners. now, presume that situational hitting is not a skill - maybe a big assumption for a lot of people. how about, situational hitting is much more a question of luck than skill?

i like to sit down after a game, especially when we are complaining about runners left on base. we should be scoring a little less than one of three base runners. we've had a lot of bad luck in terms of situational hitting in recent games. in our 4-1 loss to bud norris, we got 7 baserunners, but only scored one. in the 6-3 loss with penny pitching, we managed 14 baserunners, but scored 3. conversely, the astros got nine hits and no walks, and scored 6 runs.obviously, this is a shamefully oversimplified system. it doesn't account for power or the non-random situational aspects of getting on base. but in sitting down to look at a game after it finishes and really try to decipher what happened, i like to use that as a very rough benchmark. 

LOB has another impact on this week's post.

i share some of the internet population's discomfort with kyle lohse's performance so far. looking at his peripherals hasn't been totally reassuring, but it's worth doing. i want to start with this one - 53.9%. that's the percentage of baserunners lohse strands on the basepaths in the course of a game. last year's most preposterously unlucky victim of bad LOB over the whole season was ricky nolasco at 61.0%. it's a pretty big leap to carl pavano at second place with 66.1%. so there's one big factor that is practically certain to regress to a more normal level. by comparison, todd wellemeyer pitched like todd wellemeyer last year with a 68.3% LOB.

his peripherals are sure worse than they were. his k/9 is running at 4.74, almost a full strikeout per nine innings below his career average. also, his bb rate is at 3.32, almost a half a walk per nine above his career numbers. most concerning, he's been benefiting from a very low hr/fb rate - about 3.8%, while he enjoys a 10% lifetime hr/fb. his xIP is 5.08. 

so, while lob regression will give, hr/fb regression will take away. 

in other areas, his gb rate remains pretty steady - he's lost  a little bit of groundball skill. he's generating more contact (on about 85% of his pitches) than the league average (80%). if he's not striking anybody out and he's not getting the contact to turn into groundballs, he's not going to have great success.

well, at least not as a pitcher. he does have a +152 UZR/150 in left field . . . (no, there's no decimal missing).

Poll
kyle lohse will finish the season:
with an FIP of less than 4.00
3 votes
with an FIP of more than 4.00 but less than 4.50
78 votes
with an FIP of more than 4.50 but less than 5.00
96 votes
with an FIP of more than 5.00
54 votes
in the bullpen
73 votes
on the DL
57 votes

361 votes | Poll has closed

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As something of a shank expert --

MSNBC runs a lot of prison shows on the weekend — I feel it’s my duty to tell everyone that you should stab with the sharpened toothbrush and not slice. Shanks are for stabbing; they get caught in the flesh as your arm decelerates pulling across someone’s gut if you try to slice. It’s science folks.

Think; It's not illegal yet.

by azruavatar on May 15, 2010 8:50 AM EDT reply actions  

You guys

know entirely too much about this. If we ever meet on the sidewalk, I’m crossing the street.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on May 15, 2010 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

touche

Think; It's not illegal yet.

by azruavatar on May 15, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

i checked birdbats
Still no official announcement what type of TBC jersey the Cards will wear for tomorrow’s Civil Rights Game, but the Post-Dispatch’s Derrick Goold wrote this morning that the style would be consistent with 1947, the year Jackie Robinson broke the color barrier.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on May 15, 2010 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

damn, I haven't read birdbats in a while.

great anecdotes.

Pujols has not used Louisville Sluggers in quite a while. Now we know why. “The final straw was some warped bats he rolled across the floor in front of the whole clubhouse (and H&B head sales rep Chuck Schupp),” Brian wrote. “We were having drying issues with our Maple and we paid dearly for it. We have made our product better since then, but the damage is done.”
Chris Carpenter used a flame-finished ash LS today with the H&B 125th anniversary logo. It looked like a Jason LaRue model. Inside the cup, you could see a blacked-out number and Carp’s #29 added.
Skip Schumaker is bucking the trend. His shirt tonight had a New Balance logo.

Oh yikes. This cap for the patriotic days?

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on May 15, 2010 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Patriotic Cap

I don’t like it when teams wear the patriotic logo caps in games. I always preferred the caps with the American flag patch.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on May 15, 2010 10:30 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

and what do the blue jays do

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on May 15, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Off day?

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on May 15, 2010 10:34 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

get their games moved to Philly

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on May 15, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

1947 uniforms ought to be pretty cool.

I am excited to see them. Are we on FOX?

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on May 15, 2010 10:32 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

MLBN

6pm

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

by TBender on May 15, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

And FSM apparently

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

by TBender on May 15, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

7:40 pm (Eastern time) first pitch

6:40 Central

(sorry, it’s a habit to put Eastern first since I live in MI)

by zoomzoomj88 on May 15, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm excited, too!

Albert wore high socks for the Negro Leagues game a couple seasons ago. I want to see if everyone joins in again tonight since it’s period-correct.

You can read it in any tone you like.

by spants on May 15, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

picked this up looking for the Civil Rights Game info

[fake blockquote] Cardinals star Stan Musial had an “off” year, hitting “only” .312 and driving in 95 runs. (He was usually good for .350 -.370 back in those days, with 120 or 130 RBI. link

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on May 15, 2010 9:25 AM EDT reply actions  

Wow

Ubaldo Jimenez has a higher WHIP compared to his ERA. Huzzah for SSS and 6 walks in a no hitter?

In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on May 15, 2010 9:33 AM EDT reply actions  

Crasnick has a good write up on Wainwright over at the WWL

Link

“I try to change the pace in my delivery and my pitches all the time, so they don’t know what in the heck is coming,

— Adam Wainwright

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on May 15, 2010 9:46 AM EDT reply actions  

Wagons custom made for any occasion.

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

by TBender on May 15, 2010 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

hehe, we're going on four mentions

http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2010/5/14/1472461/adam-wainwright-article

it’s a badass

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on May 15, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

^piece

effin sbn

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on May 15, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

I almost put in last night's overflow

but then vaguely remembered seeing it mentioned before.

I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.
VEB: WWGTD

by The Continental on May 15, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Anyone heard form akaitori?

He hasn’t posted in a few days. Hope he’s okay, maybe internet service is just spotty there at the moment.

by mattyp on May 15, 2010 10:57 AM EDT reply actions  

I was just wondering about him

my guess is he’s just got bigger stuff to deal with at the moment, but hopefully he can check in once things cool down.

by DanUpBaby on May 15, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

If I'm ever charged with a jailtime-able offense

I’m definitely drawing the trial out as much as humanly possible in order to train the shit out of some jiu-jitsu and juicing the best steroids I can buy while lifting weights like my life depended on it (because it would!). Then instead of beating someone, I’d attempt to rip someone’s arm clean off and give it back to them.

How good is Jaime Garcia?

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on May 15, 2010 10:59 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Garcia = ROY in non-Heward year

"They're so stunned they didn't even boo!"
John Rooney 5/3/10 referring to Philly fans on Cards 5-run 7th inning

by gocards62 on May 15, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

^Heyward

before the piling on begins correcting my spelling again

"They're so stunned they didn't even boo!"
John Rooney 5/3/10 referring to Philly fans on Cards 5-run 7th inning

by gocards62 on May 15, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think you just made a Heward's folly

haha, I kill myself.

Anyway, has no one seen 25th Hour. Obviously the only surefire solution is to have a good friend mash and disfigure your face into a bloody pulp.

by mattyp on May 15, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

some crazy jaime and heyward numbers...

at this point, they are tied in WAR at 1.2 (which is insane for both of them…)
Jaime has some seemingly unsustainable numbers:
i.e 3.2% HR on FB rate.
BABIP of .255
LOB% of 83.7%
though his BB and K numbers are pretty good at 3.25/9 and 7.71/9 respectively…

heyward:
well for all i dislike the piling on about heyward (basically his pre-season coronation as ROY if not more…) his numbers are pretty impressive:
wOBA: .442
for the more old-fashioned: OBP of .425 and SLG of .608
and while the OBP is helped by a .333 BABIP, it’s also helped a lot by his 16.7% walk rate

anyways… if jaime keeps pitching like he is (unlikely in my book, but fun while it lasts!!) he could give heyward a run for his money, and then we’d all get to enjoy watching the non-saber crowd fight over which is more valuable, 25 hr and a .300+ average, or 16 wins and a sub-3 era.

by duncans_army on May 15, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm no Heyward hater, what he's doing is very impressive

but I just think what Jaime is doing is even more impressive. I mean, if Jaime can keep it up (and I know he’s bound to regress), then that’s gotta be more unprecedented than what Heyward is doing, right?

by mattyp on May 15, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

in all honesty

when i decided to look it up and compare WAR’s, I was almost sure Jaime was going to be higher than heyward (jaime has just been ridiculous so far). but yeah in WAR heyward is right their with him…
oh, and with WPA, Jaime is like ~1.3 (which again is really quite good…), heyward is a ridiculous ~2.6!!
interestingly, though there is probably no way he could win as a 27 year old… Freese leads all rookies in WAR w/ 1.3…

by duncans_army on May 15, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Help my laziness

Didn’t you have some sort of metric that took defense but not “luck” out of the equation?

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on May 15, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't

Those exist (Rally’s WAR and DIRVA+ are the two best IMO) but the creators don’t calculate them until the end of the season.

by vivaelpujols on May 15, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

ahhh...

yeah that makes sense… i was almost sure jaime had been better so far.
btw, where is Jaime getting killed in the FIP calculation? they have him at nearly 3.0 which seems high especially considering he hasn’t given up many HR’s…

by duncans_army on May 15, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

oh yeah i know

but he has one of the biggest ERA to FIP gaps of any starter, was wondering what numbers are holding him back (or is his ERA just that lucky…)?

by duncans_army on May 15, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Depends on what you mean by lucky

Is the ERA-FIP gap repeatable? Probably not, but it did actually happened and a lot of it isn’t in the influence of defense.

by vivaelpujols on May 15, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Random note on this

I didn’t realize Lincecum had been as good as he has, good god 2.05 xFIP? I thought that 1.87 FIP was Pedroesque………till I saw Pedro did 1.39 in ’99. I always forget how insanely good he was.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on May 15, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Timmy is still young.

You can read it in any tone you like.

by spants on May 15, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

And . .

I got nothing. Canada?

The bible declares an eye for an eye, so, let us now take our vengeance on this murderous ocean. . . You won't be hurting anyone anymore

by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on May 15, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually, not anymore

Lincecum’s fastball is sitting in the low 90s (like 91-92). The first couple outings of his career his heater touched 100, but it’s been trending steadily downward. He’s just so deceptive and filthy it hasn’t seemed to matter. If anything, he’s a better pitcher at 91 mph than 100.

by Jon S. on May 15, 2010 12:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Less velocity, more movement?

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 15, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Garcia's FIP is in the top 10.

As is Wainwright’s.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on May 15, 2010 11:59 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Mostly timing

He’s stranding a ton of runners, and FIP takes that out of consideration. His BABIP is also .252. Some of that is defense, but he’s also allowing a lot of hard hit balls.

by vivaelpujols on May 15, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is what I would mean by luck.

His LOB% and his BABIP ought to even out a bit. He’ll still be very good, just not this great.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on May 15, 2010 12:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

yeah, although I was only talking about stats in an incidental sense

I mean, players come into the league and tear it up on offense while playing good defense from time to time. But how many rookie pitchers come in and put up the numbers Jaime is putting up? That’s gotta be a more exclusive club, I would imagine.

by mattyp on May 15, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

happ last year for philly did well

12-4, 2.93 era in 166 IP. he managed jaime’s LOB% for an entire year, at 85.2

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on May 15, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

also hanson at 11-4, 2.89 era

while stranding just over 80%. neither won ROY, finishing 2-3, but i’d take a year like that from jaime.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on May 15, 2010 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess we are spoiled in the hitting department for rookies

since we saw Pujols’s ridiculous rookie year… and Heyward is not going to do that well (he will strike out more, hit for a lower average, though his walks may be a bit higher)… but rookie pitchers just don’t have these kinds of seasons… do they?

(let’s not talk about that other STL rookie pitcher from several years ago)

Rookie pitchers just seem to need a lot more adjustment time, they have more meltdowns, mysterious terrible outings, etc. They lack the consistency that rookie hitters can have, even.

"If I'm in a slump, I ask myself for advice" - Ichiro

by Toppins on May 15, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's not a jinx

if it’s history, right?

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on May 15, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

this

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on May 15, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've come to the conclusion Cardinal baseball

would be a whole lot less fun if we didn’t have crazy Tony doing something stupid now and again. For the most part we’ve gotten sane Tony (sans the 20 inning game). Perhaps it is the set outfield, set rotation that is healthy, set bullpen. Tony has very little to tinker with. The urge to grab the controls of the jumbo jet, turn off the auto pilot and fly the mother f’er just builds up thereby ejecting crazy Tony bursts out of shadows. God love crazy Tony.

by jjray on May 15, 2010 11:09 AM EDT reply actions   2 recs

crazy tony only comes out in dire situations

re-adjust your sample. he’s come out every time it’s been close. bunt for base hit. double-switches. it’s not a promising pattern, and one hopes it’s just to plant the seeds early in the season.

just look at how many relievers have come up to bat. and they keep saying “it rarely ever happens” when i think only the LOOGYs have not had a PA.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on May 15, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not that Whitey ever let his relievers hit...

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

by TBender on May 15, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

heh heh

you gotta admit, Tony’s going through them at an impressive clip. talk about finding something new to tinker with…

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on May 15, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

K-Mac

Is it just me or is he starting to resemble Franklin more and more in appearance?

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on May 15, 2010 11:26 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

they will all eventually morph into the same person

notice Jason Motte as well

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on May 15, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

it itches!

that means it’s working.

by nota bene on May 15, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

In facial hair?

Franklin

15.1IP 16H 0BB! 8K 1HBP 1.043WHIP 0 BB/9 4.7 K/9 1.04 GB/FB 20% LD 70% Strikes. 13% Swinging strikes

K-Mac

16.1IP 12H 7BB! 15K 1HBP 1.163WHIP 3.9 BB/9 8.3 K/9 .60GB/FB 18% LD 60% strikes
16% swinging strikes

Looks pretty different to me. Franklin is allowing more hits but isn’t walking anyone and isn’t getting any strike outs. Most of his outs come on ground ball. He is also giving up a higher LD%. McClellan isn’t getting hit as often, or as hard, when he isn’t getting many ground balls this year either. (has been around 1.00 GB/FB his last two years). However, he is getting a lot more strikeouts than Franklin, slightly higher Swing and misses. I think the strike outs are because of that nasty curve ball.

by Evilfrog on May 15, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, in physical appearance.

Also, the feeling of dread I get when he is brought in. That said, I had the feeling K-Mac was striking out more batters this year. As you point out, he is, which is good. Now, if he could reduce his walks, I would be pleased.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on May 15, 2010 11:51 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

LOL

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on May 15, 2010 12:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

why no recs?!

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on May 15, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

This needs a caption.

In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on May 15, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do you frequent the Cards Talk forums

on the P-D site, and if you do, are you familiar with a Gore Vidal-like poster with the handle of “Moxie”?

by Michael_68_1999 on May 15, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

No

I avoid the forum and comments on the P-D site.

by Evilfrog on May 15, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

will I get my wish and have an all-socks team?

Goold on throwback unis

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on May 15, 2010 11:54 AM EDT reply actions  

1940s

Those Cardinals uniforms are the most beautiful uniforms ever worn in baseball history. And if anyone disagrees, I will fight them.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on May 15, 2010 12:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

Mitchell & Ness sells the '44 Musial version.

I’m not saying I would literally kill and rob a person to be able to afford the $325 tag, I’m just saying I would strongly consider it.

by mattyp on May 15, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

No jury would convict you.

Well, none in the StL area at least.

I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.
VEB: WWGTD

by The Continental on May 15, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL

You can read it in any tone you like.

by spants on May 15, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

When you have a habit of stabbing people,

the last place you want to be is in a room with officers of the law.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on May 15, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

one of my fav shirts of all time was a coopers town musial

that looked just like this…except it was a $60 one….I wore it until it literally looked like it came from the 40s.

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on May 15, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I own it.

But, I have never worn it for fear that I would besmirch it. Same thing goes for my authentic 80s O. SMITH home Jersey and my 1987 O. SMITH Mitchell & Ness away Jersey.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on May 15, 2010 12:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I would totally play in it

in a beer league softball game.

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on May 15, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is a work of art!

Art, I tell you!

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 15, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow.

I didn’t know they played with zippers?

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 15, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

buttons weren't invented then

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on May 15, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lineups

Cardinals
Rasmus CF
Ludwick RF
Pujols 1B
Holliday LF
Freese 3B
Molina C
Schumaker 2B
Waino P
Boog SS

Reds
Cabrera SS
Phillips 2B
Votto 1B
Rolen 3B
Bruce RF
Gomes LF
Stubbs CF
Hernandez C
Leake P

by zoomzoomj88 on May 15, 2010 2:52 PM EDT reply actions  

how bout that

same lineup two days in a row

by nota bene on May 15, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Still 4 hours to game time

let’s not count unhatched chickens just yet, eh?

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on May 15, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Where did you find this?

Just curious.

....my quick smells like french toast...

Twitter: @mstreeter06

by mstreeter06 on May 15, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

NVM

FSN is confirming it now.

....my quick smells like french toast...

Twitter: @mstreeter06

by mstreeter06 on May 15, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

ended up finding it on gameday

but i tweeted you that, so i guess it’s redundant now.

by zoomzoomj88 on May 15, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

prediction:

boog goes 3-4 with two doubles, one single, and 4 RBIs.

by stlcardinalsfang on May 15, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

prediction:

You will look back on this prediction with regret.

by chalk on May 15, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

i pretty much know i will

i’m just hoping more than anything. i REALLY want to see boog start hitting. as much for his own personal benefit as the team’s benefit.

by stlcardinalsfang on May 15, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

10 run Saturdays?

Leake’s been impressive. Hope he gets an ump who squeezes him.

by Willie McGee's Twin on May 15, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

he started out a little shaky his first 2 starts

with 12 bb’s, but only 5 in his last 4 starts. also 11-1 gb/fb outs last game. looks like a guy dunc would appreciate.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on May 15, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

bravo tom

“tony instead is like the guy who drives a fork through the palm of his own hand in the lunch line and then uses the still-stuck-in-his-hand fork* to try to stab the biggest, baddest guy in the lunch room. the logic behind this tactic being that, regardless of whether he is successful, he will develop the rep of being completely insane and unpredictable.”

great mental image. tony in the pen, stabbing his own hand, then attacking someone. got to keep them off guard! crazy like a fox, tony

he is a bit eccentric

by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 15, 2010 3:32 PM EDT reply actions  

well

at least he kind of messes with the other team’s manager, making them overmanage too

he is a bit eccentric

by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 15, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

i found out what

MooCow is up to

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on May 15, 2010 3:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Jaime Garcia is amazing

I love watching that kid pitch, one of the cincy announcers compared him to Johan Santana last night. he is in almost total control of his game, and that slider just makes guys look BAD sometimes. I wanted to check on how he’s doing right now after that start:

4th in the majors in ERA
2nd on the Cardinals in FIP behind Wainwright
2nd on the Cardinals in xFIP behind Carp
1st on the Cardinals in WPA
2nd in tERA on Cards to Waino

btw, why is tERA on fangraphs not in the leader boards for pitchers? it’s only on the individual pitcher listings

btw, Lohse’s tERA is 4.03, not too bad really

he is a bit eccentric

by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 15, 2010 3:47 PM EDT reply actions  

ah

I guess we are still awaiting an update on that feature of tERA

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/tra-changed-to-tera/

he is a bit eccentric

by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 15, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cubs have now lost all 5 against the Pirates this season.

I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.
VEB: WWGTD

by The Continental on May 15, 2010 3:53 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

TLI

"If I'm in a slump, I ask myself for advice" - Ichiro

by Toppins on May 15, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

hahaha nice

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on May 15, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

do they sell this flag?

i would totally hang this in my room.

"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."

by BVHeck on May 15, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

though i suppose it

wouldn’t be all that difficult to make…

"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."

by BVHeck on May 15, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

if you buy the flag from the cubs

you would either be helping them win
or subsidizing their continuing collapse

so … I’d just make it.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on May 15, 2010 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

if i'm helping them sign another soriano

then… well… idk

"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."

by BVHeck on May 15, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah it's just hard to say

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on May 15, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

i want to be optomistic that they are turnign the corner

so i hope that they continue to show life tonight..

This guys so good(Pujols) He should be illegal-Pirates announcers

by punchinjudy on May 15, 2010 3:55 PM EDT reply actions  

can't decide which game to watch right now

sf vs houston
tampa vs seattle
philly vs milwaukee

I think I’ll watch san fran cuz timmeh is pitching

he is a bit eccentric

by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 15, 2010 4:10 PM EDT reply actions  

watching the rocks/ubaldo

tornado warnings keep interrupting the broadcast from denver.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on May 15, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

actually on-topic

here’s Leach’s take in his chess match

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on May 15, 2010 5:07 PM EDT reply actions  

He doesn't even...

discuss the merits of bunting in general. And who cares if you “burn” a PH? That’s what they’re there for. We all remember the 15 inning games when we run out of position players, but those are outliers. He should manage as if the game will go 10, 11, 12…

Franklin !#@$!&*%#

by guayzimi on May 15, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

My biggest problem with the move is, well, the sacrifice bunt aspect.

But past that, there’s no even attempting to fool the Reds into thinking you may not bunt when you send a reliever in to do the job.

You can read it in any tone you like.

by spants on May 15, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

which leads us back to the conspiracy theory of relievers taking BP.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on May 15, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

the mather pinch hit PA for colby against rhodes wasn't a big deal in and of itself

the decision to bunt was stupid. the whole bench was available – send stav or greene or whoever up there to hit away.

by Willie McGee's Twin on May 15, 2010 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

but

I agree but I was also concerned about removing Colby’s defense; and sure enough a looper drops in front of the fresh Mather in CF in the bottom of the inning, a play Colby might have made. Not ragging Joey’s defense, just that if you haven’t been playing in the field for 8 innings, reading the ball off the bat is maybe just enough different.

by the Tewk on May 15, 2010 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

no, i agree that I would not have PH for colby in that situation -

perhaps if the runner was at 2nd base and all you needed was a single to score a run or if there were less than two outs – I don’t know. I just think the primary dumb decision was to bunt, regardless if it was with Boggs or not. (hitting and bunting are two different skills and Boggs may be a champion bunter for all i know; I just hate bunting with a man on first and no outs)

by Willie McGee's Twin on May 15, 2010 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'd have used greene

just to keep the bunt option open after letting him have a hack first. if the defense moves back, he might even beat it out, or force an error. to say you wouldn’t burn a bench-player in the 9th with a 2-run lead makes no sense when all five are available, or at least four if you consider mather was going to bat anyway.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on May 15, 2010 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

got phils crew in the background

Jimmy tweaked his hip

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on May 15, 2010 5:13 PM EDT reply actions  

or rib/oblique or something. during the at-bat.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on May 15, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thespos

the isle of drama queens.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on May 15, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Acting!

Or is that “Selling!” ?

I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.
VEB: WWGTD

by The Continental on May 15, 2010 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Genius!

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

by TBender on May 15, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

hey

this is a family blog

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on May 15, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lincecum is just outrageous...

I guess we have to forget about Cardinal Cy Young winners until Lincecum retires or his arm falls off or whatever..

I want the Walrus back...

by Paulspike on May 15, 2010 6:22 PM EDT reply actions  

He wasn't very sharp today.

Poor command, velo was down. Still only 4 hits and 1 run in 8. I mean…Astros, but….

by Voxx on May 15, 2010 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

he wasn't real sharp against us, judging him against himself

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on May 15, 2010 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I was at that game

He looked like shit, had no idea where the ball was going. Didn’t matter, still dominated.

by mojowo11 on May 15, 2010 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Obviously he's still fine now

But at 88-93 he’s on the verge of losing enough velo to really make it hard to be dominant. Even 87-91 would make it tough to beat people with your FB.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on May 15, 2010 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

ubaldo also will make it difficult

he and timmy both born in 1984. never knew that timmy was filipino-american.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on May 15, 2010 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can't forget Halladay.

Even if he doesn’t have the best peripherals by year end, he’ll likely have the inning lead, and a nice win total to go with the east coast media focus.

by Voxx on May 15, 2010 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

i was talking more going forward

with timmy and ubaldo going to be around awhile.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on May 15, 2010 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fair enough.

I hear the Nats have a young guy with potential, as well. Marlins have some guys who aren’t exactly old, and could put it together, too, in Johnson/Nolasco.

by Voxx on May 15, 2010 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

can't wait to see strasburg

full-count, bases loaded to matsui, 13 pitches so far, 4 fouls in a row.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on May 15, 2010 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, it's crazy.

15 pitch at bat, bases loaded, down 2-1 in the 9th, 2 outs. Crazy shit.

Wilson did what Wison does, though. He’s even more Franklin, than Franklin.

by Voxx on May 15, 2010 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Houston has them loaded in SF

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

by TBender on May 15, 2010 6:46 PM EDT reply actions  

9 pitches fouled off

wow

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

by TBender on May 15, 2010 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

ATG

Pitch #1 was not a strike. Ump called it a strike.

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

by TBender on May 15, 2010 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

giants radio announcer said the second or third to last pitch was high

but matsui fouled it off.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on May 15, 2010 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

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