2010 Draft Preview part Sieben: The Arms Race, High School Edition
You know, I just can't quite figure out what the deal is with Jason Motte. For a guy who supposedly only throws one pitch at one speed -- fast -- Motte seems to have gone in almost the complete opposite direction. I'm sitting there watching last night's game, and every pitch Motte threw seemed to be some sort of offspeed offering. His first pitch clocked at 94.3, and looked like a typical Jason Motte fastball. The low end of the Jason Motte velocity spectrum, that is. After that, though, things just got weird.
The rest of the eighth inning, Motte failed to throw a single pitch faster than 93 mph, and the classifications are just all over the place. I couldn't tell what several of his pitches were supposed to be, so I checked the Pitch f/x data, and they don't seem to know either. He threw a pitch at 79 that was called a slider; he threw a pitch at 89 that was classified a slider as well. He threw a pitch at 86 the system read as a changeup, and one at 87.8 it read as a four-seamer. I'm pretty sure he tried to throw a curveball to Chipper Jones, a pitch which, to my knowledge, Jason Motte has never thrown before.
Then, suddenly, after facing three hitters in the eighth and two in the ninth, the real Jason Motte decided to pop his head back in. In the middle of Brian McCann's at-bat, Motte throws a pair of fastballs at 97 and 96, virtually out of nowhere. Up comes Troy Glaus, and Motte just starts blasting him with heat. Motte threw nine pitches to Glaus; one slider, one thing that looked like either a changeup or a flat sort of two-seamer, and seven fastballs. The slowest fastball he threw registered 95.6. Three were over 97.
The only thing I can figure is that Motte has been instructed by the powers that be to throw two-seamers, which would account for all the 88-93 mph fastballs we see. Sometimes they sink nicely and look like changeups, but most of the time they just look like slow versions of normal Jason Motte pitches. He still has the slider, which has actually looked fairly decent lately for the most part, and I guess is trying to throw a curveball. I don't know what else you would call that upper-70s thing he bounced to Chipper.
I have to admit to being intrigued by this new approach. It's clearly a page taken directly from the Duncan Manual of Pitching, as Motte appears to be Sacrificing Velocity for Movement (ch.3, pg. 17-54), but I'm not sure if it's actually making Motte any more effective or not. He doesn't seem to have much control over what his two-seam thingy does, but manages to throw strikes more consistently at higher velocity. I suppose it's all a part of the process of turning Applesauce into a Pitcher instead of a Thrower. At the very least, it's fascinating to watch a pitcher who is so clearly just making it up as he goes along out there on the mound some nights.
Last week I promised I would get around to starting on the gigantic mound of pitchers we should pay attention to in this draft, and that's just what I'm going to do. This week's installment features three arms, all from the high school ranks.
We've all heard the tidbit by now, I'm sure, that when the Cards called Shelby Miller's name in the first round last year it marked the first time they had drafted a high-school pitcher with their first pick since the immortal Brian Barber in 1991. So there's no possible way the Cardinals are going to pick another high-school arm in the first round again so soon, right? I understand that line of thinking, but I don't think I particularly agree with it. The Cards' willingness to pick Miller (and pay him), last year said to me they've learned a valuable lesson from a few of their misses in years past (Phil Hughes, Brett Anderson, and Rick Porcello come to mind), and would be willing to go any direction now if they believe in the player enough. So do I expect them to take a high-school arm this year? Not necessarily. Unlike years past, though, it would certainly no longer surprise me if they did.
Kevin Gausman, RHP, Grandview High School (Colorado)
6'4", 185 lbs
DOB: 6th January, 1991
So, what's so great about this guy?
Kevin Gausman is one of my very favourite players in this entire draft class. He throws hard, already has a good feel for his secondary offerings, and I really like his mechanics. (Well, I kind of like his mechanics; more on that later.) Honestly, if I'm making up my own personal Big Board of players I would like to see the Cardinals take, Gausman might very well be number one. (I'm not including Bryce Harper, because it just makes me sad to think of the Nationals drafting him.)
Gausman's stuff is excellent, beginning with two fastballs, a two-seamer he leans on most of the time in the low 90s and a four-seamer he can pump up to 96. His slider is his go-to breaking ball for now, and it's a pretty good one, though it gets slurvy at times. He has a usable changeup as well, somewhat unusual for a high schooler, but I can't honestly say I've seen a clearly identifiable one in what limited video I've seen of him. He's got a great pitcher's frame, with plenty of room to get stronger and fill out. Okay, that's the good stuff.
Here's the bad stuff: Gausman just hasn't really been the same pitcher this season he was in 2009. There have been reports all spring about inconsistent velocity, command problems, and he seems to be fighting his delivery. In one start at the beginning of April, his velocity reportedly peaked at 92, and he had no feel at all for his slider. After coming into the 2010 season as one of the more highly-touted prep arms in the whole draft, Gausman has definitely taken a hit.
Which brings me to what I said earlier about his mechanics. I've seen video of him from both 2009 and 2010, and it looks as if he's made some adjustments to his delivery which are not helping him at all. Compare the following two videos, the first from last August and the second from January:
Look how much quicker and more fluid his delivery is in the first video. His hands stay high throughout his leg kick, and he smoothly accelerates through balance and into release. Now in the second video, from this year, he brings his hands down, then raises them with his leg and seems to have slowed the whole delivery down considerably. A slower tempo is by no means a bad thing necessarily, of course (look at Dan Haren, right up until his leg starts down), but in this case I think someone, either a coach or parent or someone, has tried to get Gausman to slow down deliberately, probably in hopes of improving his control. Unfortunately, his whole delivery looks much more mechanical and stiff now, and he doesn't look nearly as fluid delivering the ball. I still like his arm action, and think getting him into a system where athleticism and momentum in the delivery are stressed could do wonders for him.
In a strange way, Gausman pitching poorly this spring has made it much more likely he'll get to the where the Cardinals are drafting, making his struggles oddly appealing to me.
Stetson Allie, RHP, St. Edwards High School (Ohio)
6'4", 225 lbs
DOB: 13th March, 1991
So, what's so great about this guy?
Stetson Allie has the one of the best arms in the 2010 draft, high school or college. He's capable of throwing his fastball up to 98 mph, and has at least one and possibly two plus offspeed pitches as well. So why, you ask, do I think he has even the slimmest of chances of getting to the Cardinals at 25?
That's a good question, and I'm glad you asked. The reason, my dear friends, is that Allie is nowhere near as consistent as even his fellow high school pitchers. His control comes and goes not only game to game, but occasionally inning to inning. He throws as hard as anyone in the draft, and has the makings of plus complimentary pitches, but has fallen clearly behind other prep arms such as Jamieson Tallion, Karsten Whitson, and A.J. Cole.
Still, the repertoire is impressive, as Allie features a fastball he pumps consistently in the mid-90s and occasionally a little higher, a nasty slider, and a changeup that's unusually good for a high schooler. I've seen parts of two games he pitched in, and while I saw little command of the slider, it did have good movement, and I did think his changeup was a solid pitch. He slowed his arm to throw it, but it had nice sinking action and clearly overmatched high school hitters.
Despite the quality of his stuff, there's already been talk of Allie's future ultimately being in a major league bullpen, largely because of his lack of consistency and his demeanor, which is much like the Jason Motte of old: come in, throw as hard as possible for as long as possible, go sit down. No planning necessary.
I think Allie is a very interesting case study, as his stuff is top-shelf but the overall view of him as a pitcher is much more mixed. I have to believe some team out there will buy into his ability to tone down his approach and make it as a starter; if so, he should go early on.
Dylan Covey, RHP, Marantha High School (California)
6'2", 200 lbs
DOB: 19th July, 1991
So, what's so great about this guy?
Covey is a little bit different breed from the other two pitchers I've covered today. He's a big, physical guy on the mound, and has plenty of stuff, but isn't really in the fireballing mold. He's been clocked as high as the mid-90s at times, but sits more comfortably in the 91-93 range. What really jumps out at you about Covey's stuff is the quality of his breaking ball. He throws a true hammer curve in the upper 70s that may be the best breaker of any high school pitcher in the draft. He's shown a change, but hasn't needed it very often in high school.
Covey is also much more polished at this point than either Allie or Gausman, as he features strong command of both his fastball and curve and good mound presence. His fastball has nice sink on it as well, enabling him to generate plenty of groundball outs as well as empty swings. He's a big, strong kid who maintains his stuff deep into games better than most pitchers his age. Put it all together and you have a very enticing package for a high school arm.
Of the three pitchers here, I think Covey has the least chance of falling to 25. I think Gausman's rough spring will push him down into the Cardinals' draft range, and the talk of Allie being too intent on throwing the ball past the hitter, through the catcher, and through the backstop as well make him a wild card that could easily drop lower than his talent would seem to dictate. Covey, on the other hand, is the sort of guy who could actually go higher than where he rates on pure talent, because his maturity is well known and his performance has been consistent. He's much closer to a finished product than most in his age group, and I think he could actually be this year's Matt Hobgood, who went early in the first round last year to the Baltimore Orioles. Hobgood went fourth overall on the basis of a mature, strong body, a well-developed feel for pitching, and a willingness to sign for around slot money. Covey has the first two down; I don't have a clue about the third.
The Baron's Playlist for the 28th of April, 2010 -- Couples Skate
"For Agent 13" - The Besnard Lakes
"Motel Room in My Bed" - X
"Think Long" - Mates of State
"I'm Confused" - Handsome Furs
"Bull in the Heather" - Sonic Youth
"I Am a Gun" - Parker and Lily
"Thrown Down" - Fleetwood Mac
"That Old Black Magic" - Louis Prima and Keely Smith
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Motte
At the very least, it’s fascinating to watch a pitcher who is so clearly just making it up as he goes along out there on the mound some nights.
my thoughts exactly last night.
untrue
Yadi called for all those pitches. the Glaus at-bat was entirely orchestrated by Molina.
I’m still scratching my head that some pitchers who clearly (as in: shown on television and so blatantly that even Al can follow it) rely on the Yadi/Dunc Plan are characterized as pulling it out of their ass.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Apr 28, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Well they have a lot of input into that plan I'd imagine
If they guy tells the catcher he has no confidence in his slider, I wouldn’t think that the catcher would be putting down the III anytime.
Not afraid to nitpick
also untrue
last night Yadi called and called for the fastball, and Carp kept shaking him off. Carpenter knew it was off, he wanted the curveball, which had been more effective. Yadi, who’s handling the batter, wanted to stick with the plan.
as much as I don’t want to believe that there’s a plan, and these pitchers are brilliant in and of themselves, there’s too much anecdotal evidence that there’s the system plus what the pitcher decides to do with it. unless they’re Carp, I can’t look at Cardinals pitching anymore as anything other than a team project.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Apr 28, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
All the events in the universe
unfold according to the plan that’s laid out in Papa Dunc’s binder of multi-colored pages.
born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red
dunc has merely transcribed the thoughts of amaury marti
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
that's the one.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
i was referring to his fastball
and how hard to throw it. Sauce is able to get 3 or 4 mph extra when he wants, but his control seriously suffers.
he was hitting his spots later on, though
and when he missed, he missed in non-dangerous places. he’s not like Boggs, who misses in Wellemeyer territories.
someone else will have to figure whether or not it’s straight, though, ‘cause I’m terrible at seeing that.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Apr 28, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Glaus was overmatched the entire time
it was like extended punishment for 2009. on another batter, yes. for Glaus, even I could see he wasn’t going to catch up to it.
I should clarify, though, Welley territory = we have no idea. Motte misses his spots in the same way. Boggs, I never know. it could be in Indiana.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Apr 28, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Overmatched?
He just missed the ball he flew out on. Just. Missed. If that was just a tiny bit more over the plate it’s in Big Mac Land. He missed twice on the inside half to Glaus and he missed both pitches. I’d call that more “luck” than “overmatched”.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
96-97 mph has nothing to do with it?
honest question
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Apr 28, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
I mean, Glaus's timing just looked off. he looked like he was missing because he couldn't turn on it fast enough.
which is something the Cards would’ve known.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Apr 28, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
He turned on that last one pretty well
and got a damn good swing on it. I don’t think the velocity had as much to do with the first pitch that Motte missed location, I think he got in just in enough that Glaus couldn’t get the head of the bat on it.
The pitch he flew out on though? He just missed that ball. Even major league hitters aren’t going to square the ball up every time, but I wouldn’t call that lined shot to left being “overpowered”. He put a good swing on it but just missed it.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
The velocity
allowed Motte to miss and it got in on Glaus. Glaus couldn’t quite get the bat head through and onto it, so the ball struck down, closer to the label, and Glaus flew out.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
the coolest thing i thought though
was that on the two pitches he fouled off, it looked like Glaus was kissing his bat. The Braves announcers said that he was smelling it, because the pitch and contact were so fast that smoke was coming off the bat. I don’t know if that’s even physically possible, but it is pretty cool.
I'm pretty sure Bugs Bunny could do it
Or cartoon Roger Clemens
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Bugs would've put the ball through the bat.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Apr 28, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Glaus smelling the bat was to counter
Motte smelling the cap. The game has to be fair.
born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red
I believe it is physically possible.
I remember reading about Glaus doing the same thing in 2008, as a Cardinal.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
ted williams is most noted for this
he said it often happened with him, that he could smell burnt wood after fouling off a pitch, but that it was the rare hitter who could manage it. i don’t know if glaus would qualify, but i heard the story first in relation to some cardinal williams was talking about, and i believe it was big mac. anyway, iirc, ted said he was watching him hit in the cage during spring training and smelled it, and it brought back memories.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I think the story goes...
It was the year that the ASG was at Fenway, and they had a big celebration of Ted Williams as part of the festivities. All the players were going up to and talking to Ted, and when it was McGwire’s turn, Ted leaned in and asked “Do you smell it?” McGwire looked back astonished because he was the only person he’d ever known who smelled the burning wood when he hit the ball.
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by jd is legend on Apr 28, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
good job
knew i probably had some of the facts wrong. still thinking glaus probably just sniffs his bat, smells nothing.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Haha
He wants to smell it
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by jd is legend on Apr 28, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
odorless = bat slam + f-bomb
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Sure there's some player who smells the glove
Greatest album cover ever.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
I think you are both right
early in the AB, Glaus was overmatched with the low, outside fastballs. He couldn’t catch up to them. But once the count went full and Motte had to throw more over the plate, Glaus certainly did catch up with that last pitch. I thought it might make it out when he first hit it.
by ArkansasTravs on Apr 28, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
Once he had it timed and knew it was coming, he just missed sending that one into Illinois.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
everyone is wrong
c’mon, haven’t you been listening to AL this week? AL says Glaus doesn’t have a bat that can catch up to a good fastball, the only way he ever hits one is by cheating, and luck.
carry on
I DON'T GIVE A FUCK!
Everything I ever learned about baseball
I learned from Al. Or that Little League coach I had that looked like Al…
/sarcasm
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
He was also as coherent as Shannon
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by jd is legend on Apr 28, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
what was the velocity on that last fastball?
i’m thinking it wasn’t of the 98 variety.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
i was sure it was gone off the bat
in ’08, glaus would have hammered that pitch out
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
Right
I think Yadi called for 2-2 curveball as well, to which even Al said something along the lines of “Okay, haven’t seen that all night.” Based on what I (and Yadi2) saw at the end, Yadi told him what to throw, and Motte threw it.
I think we got really lucky. On that 3-2 fastball to finish, Motte missed his outside spot and Glaus just barely missed hitting it out.
Jobu needs a refill
it makes that Cinci game suspect
that was LaRue calling for all those fastballs, IIRC.
and really, as fast as Motte throws, does he actually have any time to shake anything off? imo, the catchers are ridin’ this bronco.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Apr 28, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Seems that way
I don’t if it’s a thing where isn’t “vet-enough” yet (in Tony or Dunc or Yadi’s opinion) to shake pitches off, or does he not have enough confidence in himself to make the decisions about which pitches to throw in a given situation?
Jobu needs a refill
Because Motte is crazy.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Apr 28, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I mean, this is the guy who has no recall of what he was doing between pitches, and couldn't see first base and still threw the ball to Albert
get on that mustang till it throws you.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Apr 28, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought the 2-2 curveball call was terrible
Motte was certain to miss with it and run the count to 3-2, putting Glaus in a situation where he knew he was getting a fastball. If Motte had put that 3-2 pitch a little more over the plate, the result would not have been good. Why not keep pumping fastballs at 2-2 and keep a little bit of doubt in Glaus’ mind?
you know, it's funny
all through the minors, I heard that Perez had more pitches but was wild with them, whereas Motte had only the fastball but could spot it a lot better. I continue to wait for that Motte. I think there’s a decent chance that next year Boogs might become the closer, assuming he can get his pitches to go where he wants them to more frequently.
Wait what?
Motte has infinitely better control than Perez. Perez has less than no idea where the ball is going.
Not afraid to nitpick
still, not what I expected from Motte
last night, until the last few batters, if he tried to throw 95-97, the ball missed Molina’s glove by a good distance – to hit the glove, he had to throw 92-93
Pitchers have nights like that.
And he battled through it. If the trend continues, it will become worrisome.
But, lets be clear. Chris Perez is walking over 8 batters per nine. Motte is walking batters a rate about half of that (which still is not good, but Motte’s control is much better than Perez’s).
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I guess I'm not being clear
from what I heard in the minors, I thought Motte had very good control of his one pitch, not just better control than Perez (though that was always the comparison made). I just haven’t seen the control from Motte that I expected. He doesn’t seem to be able to regularly throw his fastball where he wants. Now, no pitcher does so all the time – all I’m saying is that I expected better control from Motte than what I’ve seen in the last year plus.
my theory is it might be related to them getting him to think and breathe before his pitches
I mean… let’s take that throw to Albert last night. pure instinct. didn’t even know where it was going, yet it was a perfect throw.
his location on his fast-fastballs seems to suffer the more he works on adding pitches. they may need to simultaneously teach him how to pick pitches to get guys out and keep him in the zone where he automatically locates his fireball. I don’t envy Yadi if he has to do that.
if the camera shows enough of his body language, I usually have a good feel for whether he’s going to have a good outing or not. I think he has to be amped up to locate his First Pitch.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I honestly agree with that
his walkrate in the minors was absurd. I expected more hits and more dingers, as major league hitters can catch up to a 96mph fastball better than guys in AAA, but I thought the low walkrate and K’s would make up for that up to a point. That his velocity is also (at times) oddly lower than advertised is another concern.
This weird 2-seamer he’s using is a step in the right direction, I think, but I’d like to see him hitting the glove a little better and finding that extra 2-3mph on his four seamer earlier in his appearances. He’s still a ways off, IMO.
Chris Carpenter doesn't give a fuck about your fantasy team.
by Felonius_Monk on Apr 29, 2010 6:14 AM EDT up reply actions
did he throw any 95+ in the eighth?
i think many of his 91-92 are the same pitch as the 96-97 and thrown with the same effort – in other words, he’s not trying to take something off (in order to locate), there’s just not anything there yet. seems it takes a few batters to get up to speed. also, his velocity seems to be down on the second of back-to-back appearances. this is just recall from observation, so i could be wrong.
also, about him making it up out there, i didn’t take that to mean what pitch to throw – as has been pointed out, yadi calls it – but rather how such pitch was thrown. i could easily imagine motte experimenting with grips and such as the inning is in progress.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
i think many of his 91-92 are the same pitch as the 96-97 and thrown with the same effort – in other words, he’s not trying to take something off (in order to locate), there’s just not anything there yet. seems it takes a few batters to get up to speed.
That’s definitely the conclusion I’ve drawn. That game against cincinatti where he got in trouble then out of it (think it might’ve been opening day, actually) was very much in that mould. It looked like he physically COULDN’T hit more than 93mph for the first two batters.
Chris Carpenter doesn't give a fuck about your fantasy team.
by Felonius_Monk on Apr 29, 2010 6:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, he tried that
and it produced ball 2 (or was it 1?)
by ArkansasTravs on Apr 28, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I like Covey.
If someone is touching 91-93 with command, that’s better than a wild mid-nineties, imo.
Think; It's not illegal yet.
I like him too
but I don’t see anyway he’s getting to our spot in the 1st round. He’s going in the top 20, I’m certain of it.
To be honest, I’d rather have Harvey from UNC, who would be closer to the majors and projects to fall to us in a number of mock drafts. They look like pretty similar pitchers to me in terms of stuff and polish.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Harvey or Gausman
I’ve been high on Gausman for a bit now, and I think he would make for a good value selection at 25. My problem with Harvey, I think is that his secondary stuff might only be good enough to make him a power arm out of the bullpen. Which is fine, but if we are trying to replenish our farm system with high-end talent, I don’t think Harvey is the place to start.
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by tgreenfield on Apr 28, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Harvey doesn't have good secondary stuff?
He had a great curve in high school and has replaced it with a plus slider. I also think that he could probably learn to sink the ball fairly well since his fastball already seems a little heavy. Outside of Pomeranz and McGuire, he’s the next best college pitcher in a draft full of great pitching talent, unless you’re a fan of Wimmers, and I am not a believer in him due to his size.
I would guess that Harvey would have been a legit top 12 pick in last year’s draft. The only reason he’s fallen off is because of the amount of great pitching talent in this year’s crop of players.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
That was last year
It’s been back up this year, in the mid-90’s where it was during his HS career. It looks to me like he’s moved his arm slot towards 3/4 too, which might explain the drop last year. He used to throw straight over the top.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
okay, well, i guess i should've been more clear
so he has 2 pitches? that doesn’t portend well to a top line starter. i agree that he’s a top college pitcher in the draft, but I don’t know how good his command is of those 3rd and 4th pitches that are crucial for a starter. but maybe that’s just me being skeptical of our college arms development.
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by tgreenfield on Apr 28, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Almost no pitcher has 3 legit pitches coming out of college
Lincecum had a fastball he couldn’t control, a killer curveball and rudimentary change and slider—-obviously he’s developed the changeup to maybe be the best RHP change in the game. David Price still hardly has a changeup, etc. The only reason to have a refined changeup in college is because your other stuff, usually fastball isn’t really special.
(This is part of why Strasburg is so amazing)
Not afraid to nitpick
Are we talking straight changeups or changeups in the context of other pitches
by vivaelpujols on Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Little bit of both
If Hoffman had a plus changeup and not the 80, he’d have been out of the league 10 years ago, if Lincecum had a plus changeup and not the 80, he’d still be damn good. So I’m not really sure whose is better on its own.
Not afraid to nitpick
This.
Some pitchers can get by with two plus pitches at the major league level too. Not many, but some.
I would guess whoever drafts him is going to work on developing a good sinker and a decent change-up to go along with his above-average fast ball and slider.
Trust me, tgreenfield, it would be AWESOME if every pitcher was Tommy Hanson (3 plus pitches and a better than average 4th and command of all 4), but they just aren’t.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Fair enough.
So we buy into teaching a college arm command of a 3rd pitch or 4th pitch, where he’s already been inconsistent at UNC and where the track record of developing command for college pitchers (see: ottavino, adam) within the organization is EH at best. I don’t know, I think if he’s there and no high ceiling HS arms are there(or Berentz), you take him and live with it. But if we want top end talent in the organization, and kids like Gausmann are there, you take Gausmann. But that’s just my opinion.
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I just don't see why you'd take Gausmann if Harvey is on the board.
Harvey has the better breaking ball, and if Gausmann can’t pump up his velocity to 96 (and he hasn’t much this year as RB pointed out), then I’m not sure he even has the better upside.
Harvey would be the better candidate to move quickly through the organization as well.
If we want top end talent, we need to lose more ball games or Type A free agents, because we’re never going to get ball-busting top enders drafting 1 or 2 guys from picks 25-50 every year. Most guys that fall that low have some sort of issue to go along with great stuff or great makeup or a great bat. You just have to decide which guy has a better shot of hitting his potential. In this case, I’ll take the college pitcher who hasn’t had some injury trouble over the high schooler that has.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
do guys still fall for signability issues?
can’t we get those guys, or the guys they push down? cards don’t seem to have any issues with boras, either.
since you seem to follow this stuff, where do you see ranaudo going? i’d heard second, after harper. the pitching duel between he and pomerantz didn’t exactly materialize last week, with ranaudo lasting less than 2 and pomerantz 3 – dingers and walks galore.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
There are some that may fall due to signability
Aaron Sanchez and Austin Wilson are two guys who are probably top 15 talent that will fall due to those circumstances, although more and more teams seem to be ignoring the slotting system as the Cardinals did last year.
Ranaudo is going to be a top 6 pick (Seiler has him going to the D-Backs at #6) and some people have him as high as 2. Thing is, if he doesn’t go second, he probably doesn’t go until at least #5, because the Royals and Orioles have the 3rd and 4th picks and I don’t think they’re passing on Machado and Taillon. Outside of Harper, I think Taillon might be the best player in the draft.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
allie sounds like he could turn into
Francisco samuel.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
by tom s. on Apr 28, 2010 11:17 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Be still my beating heart
Miller with 5 more Ks in 3 innings, although that drops his K/9 to 16.7. 26/6 K/BB in 14 innings with a 4.00 GO/FO.
Not afraid to nitpick
Schwing!
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by jd is legend on Apr 28, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Miller should be the closer in case of Frankie unavailability
and good matchups. How are our minor league LOOGY’s doing, BTW?
born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red
On board with the matchups part, as long as it's lefties
From B-R:
Career tOPS+ vs Lefties – 79 (1107 PAs)
Career tOPS+ vs Righties – 118 (977 PAs)
I’m surprised he’s even gotten that many appearances versus righties.
Jobu needs a refill
this shift from shelby to trevor spun my head momentarily
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
this was posted in another thread
but apparently miller complained of shoulder tightness after the game.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
trever, right?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
i am misspelling it?
i know i wrote it as trevor above. but if this isn’t just an amusing continuation of the confusion above, no, it is shelby – think he only went three last night.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
during the game he is trying to slow down and breath
But he said it in an interview after the game
by FlimtotheFlam on Apr 28, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
I believe Motte said four or five times that Yadi told him to do so.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Obviously You're Not A Golfer
Leach is on Motte needing to breath:
I asked one Cardinal veteran about Motte’s performance, and he was impressed but noted that Motte needs to “breathe” out there. Then, when Motte was asked about the difference between closing a game now and closing last April, he said exactly the same thing.
“I’m just trying to breathe, I guess, a little bit more. just trying to relax, go out there and do my mything. I’m always kind of high-wire, energetic. But I’ve got to try to breathe a little bit more, and that’s what I’ve been trying to do all year.”
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Motte reminds me a bit of Percy in terms of high-wire
In Percy’s case, it was caffeine induced. Maybe Motte drinks too much Mountain Dew?
born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red
he's thirsty!!
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Every time I've ever seen Motte pitch (which is about 3-5 times, honestly)
It seems that at some point Yadi stands up and puts his hands down in a motion like “calm down bro” to try and settle him down. Dude must be amped like crazy if Yadi has to tell him EVERY TIME (that I see him) to calm down.
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by jd is legend on Apr 28, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Personally,
I kind of wish Yadi wouldn’t calm him down. I miss the old Motte when he was clearly yelling at himself, Charlie Manson-style, and walking halfway to home plate to get the ball back after every pitch. You could almost see him beginning to froth at the mouth at times. It was riveting.
We all have ways of coping. I use sex and awesomeness.
by the red baron on Apr 28, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
agreed!
in the same way that Franklin’s meltdown “throw the ball to first base twenty times before throwing a pitch”, as if he was trying to delay the inevitable, was captivating, in an entirely more horrible way.
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by Felonius_Monk on Apr 28, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
THIS
it was the effin’ highlight of the year (granted, that was a bad year). I suppose they wanted him to work on The Second Pitch.
they did let him lose the goggles, so I guess there’s that.
the thing is, like…. who would scare Yadier Molina? now that’s effin’ scary.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Apr 28, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
What Yadi should be telling Motte
is to bite his own tongue as hard as he can. Then the taste of blood will finally awaken the berzerker rage that is the bequest of his Valhallan heritage.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Apr 28, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
That was awesome no doubt
But I just want Motte to be in the frame of mind that makes him the best pitcher he could be. If that means he has to wear a monocle and discuss Dickens with the batter, then so be it. If he’s a better pitcher after chugging eight red bulls and snorting three lines before coming out, then let him do that.
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by jd is legend on Apr 28, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
What would be even better is if he wore a monocle AND snorted three lines
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by jd is legend on Apr 28, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
he would be the best mascot ever for planters peanuts
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by tgreenfield on Apr 28, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I am deeply against any form of GOGGLES.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Besides, the goggle do nothing
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Apr 28, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I can't let that slide by without a rec...
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by Felonius_Monk on Apr 29, 2010 6:26 AM EDT up reply actions
I sat behind the Cardinal bullpen during VEB Day last year.
I don’t think Motte stopped talking the entire 9 innings of the game. He was chatting up K-Mac, then Mason, then Miller. Talking, talking, talking. He just seems spastic pretty much all of the time.
Like RB says though, I’d like him to embrace his inner-Mad Hungarian and the club should let him do it. I think he pitches better when he’s amped up and throwing gas.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Motte was also
pacing in the dugout between the 8th and 9th innings. He had a jacket on and just looked hyper, waiting to go back out.
i'm so mad i missed that shot.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Apr 28, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
picture
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Apr 28, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm starting to come to the conclusion that Motte seems to need a few pitches, thrown at full speed, on the mound to "warm up" to the high-90s
I’ve seen him three times in extended appearances this year, I think, and each time his FB to the first couple of batter was sitting at 93, 94 and it took a good 20 pitches or so before the 97 and 98 ones started to appear. I’m not so certain it’s just an “approach” thing, I wonder if there’s some specific reason that he CAN’T throw a harder fastball in his first few pitches?
Chris Carpenter doesn't give a fuck about your fantasy team.
Like a combo meter in a fighting game?
Interesting…
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by the red baron on Apr 28, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
exactly like that
limit break?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Apr 28, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Ooh, maybe he'll get a satellite beam thing later on!
We all have ways of coping. I use sex and awesomeness.
by the red baron on Apr 28, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
it's not really like the video games, you know
those microwaves are invisible.
there are still the twitching, head scuffing, and glove-talking effects, though.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Apr 28, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
I think it would be more appropriate for Motte to hurl a meteor from outer space
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
it took me a while to find the exact screencap

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Apr 28, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I remember exactly what that is, too.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
there are not that many screencaps of it, anymore.
half my time was image searching.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Apr 28, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
disclaimer: does not game. talks to many people who do.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Apr 28, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
FINISH HIM
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by Felonius_Monk on Apr 28, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Friendship
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by jd is legend on Apr 28, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
I always kind of hoped
after the babality they would have introduced a Banality finishing move in the next MK game, where you invite defeated opponents back to your house for rice krispie squares and dull small talk.
This has been Aaron’s Brilliant Idea of the Day.
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by the red baron on Apr 28, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
(Busts out Calculator)
jluhnow: Accepting nominations for minor league player and pitcher of the month (April)… with supporting evidence, please!
This is too easy....
Jon Jay: .347/.420/.542 at AAA Memphis.
Deryk Hooker: 11.6 K/9, 3.60 K/BB, 0.64 ERA at Single A Quad Cities.
Done and done.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
i replied
Casey Mulligan 10 IP, 19K, 2BB, 6 H, That is domination. That strikeout to walk ratio makes my heart soar.
by FlimtotheFlam on Apr 28, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Mulligan's been moved down a level, though
and is a little old/advanced for A-ball. I think you have to take that into account. If you dropped Pete Parise down to single-A he’d probably be striking out more than every other batter too.
But yeah, he’s been awesome. It boggles the mind that Sanchez isn’t at Memphis and Mulligan’s not in Springfield. Time those two got moved, I think.
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by Felonius_Monk on Apr 28, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
did Mulligan fall down or something?
it was like I heard rumblings that he was good, then rumblings that he got knocked back in his development. am clueless.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Apr 28, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
he's had success at every level, and does a pretty good Thriller
although he struggled a bit more when promoted to AA last year, with his walkrate going up, but he was still K’ing guys and he was only there he still did broadly fine to stay at that level and I’d have expected him to improve a bit more.
The knock on him has always been a lack of raw stuff – he’s K’d batters at the lower levels by having decent control and an apparent ability to paint the corners with so-so stuff, but has never wowed scouts with a mid-90s FB or a killer breaking pitch or something (I think he’s a changeup guy, actually), so most seem to think he’s a middle reliever in MLB. But he’s certainly done enough in the minors (and the K’s are certainly impressive, even for a 23-year-old in A ball) to suggest there’s some upside there.
From what I hear, most expect the K’s to start tailling off as he hits AAA and the bigs, though.
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by Felonius_Monk on Apr 28, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
The K's are even more impressive
when you consider he’s only been pitching for, what, two years? Three maybe? He throws hard enough, but he gets all his strikeouts because he changes arm angles all the time and has a couple good offspeed pitches. Sort of an Orlando Hernandez type guy but in relief.
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by the red baron on Apr 28, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
I wonder if he couldn't maybe work out as a righty specialist, eventually
you’d think that sort of deceptive arsenal would be much better (at the top level) against same-side hitters, but that good lefties might find him out.
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by Felonius_Monk on Apr 28, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Russ Springer
Would be the comp I would use. Late bloomer, righty specialist.
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Yes, but
what is his GB/FB ratio?
/sarcasm
by ArkansasTravs on Apr 28, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Scott Schneider, in terms of "coming out of nowhere" appeal
has to be puching Hooker close.
And then of course there’s Shelby Miller and his 3000K/9 start (though a few walks and hits in his last start will have hurt his ERA).
Looking beyond the obvious Jay, you’ve got to like Niko vazquez’s apparent new-found patience, and the way Matt Carpenter just seems to be hit, hit hitting… I didn’t like him much last year as he looked to me like he was going to turn into an empty average guy, but he’s had (I believe) a few more xbhs this year and I hear only good things about his glove. Just needs to find some power and it wouldn’t surprise me to find him in our top 10 at the end of the year.
Chris Carpenter doesn't give a fuck about your fantasy team.
by Felonius_Monk on Apr 28, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
I like Carpenter, but he's going to have to hit with more power if he's going move up much.
6 of his 17 hits this year are for extra bases, but 3 doubles, 2 triples, and a homer. Still, he’s slugging just .450 at Palm Beach, and he’s 24 years old, which would make him one of the oldest guys at A+.
His walk rate is fantastic, nearly 13% in 317 minor league PA’s, and his defense is supposed to be above average at 3B. I just don’t think an ISO of .119 in the low minors is going to get it done. He’s an older Brian Anderson that plays 3B…
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
yeah, that's what I thought last year, and I was very down on him as a prospect
some others have won me round (plus his solid start this year). He’s probably going to end up being Brian Barden with less positional flexibility, ultimately, but I think there’s a chance he moves quickly this year and will be knocking on the memphis door by the end of it.
I know RB is a believer, and I think there’s someone else here who’s a big Carpenter fan.
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by Felonius_Monk on Apr 28, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
and FWIW I didn't realise he was that old
he turns 25 this year as well. Why’d he get drafted so old, guess he missed a year then went to college or something?
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by Felonius_Monk on Apr 29, 2010 6:27 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd like to think
That I was the first on the Deryk Hooker bandwagon. Now for that tricky part of advancing three levels and make the majors….
Not afraid to nitpick
I like him...if he can just keep his ass out of trouble.
That seems to be his problem.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
I believe RB built the bandwagon
in the 2009 Maple Street Press Annual…
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I did.
Hooker then took a bunch of mescaline, stole the bandwagon, and crashed it on his way to Burning Man. Sigh…
We all have ways of coping. I use sex and awesomeness.
by the red baron on Apr 28, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Ironically
His crash-and-burn did not have anything whatsoever to do with actual hookers.
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Hooker and Reifer
out together for a night on the town spell trouble.
by jjray on Apr 28, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
i'll take
what i would do if i won the powerball for 600, alex
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by tgreenfield on Apr 28, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If you have that much money they're called "escorts"
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by fourstick on Apr 28, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
quantity over quality
"...and pujols has given st louis the lead"
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by tgreenfield on Apr 28, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I got trunks and closets full of quantity I want quality dammit
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
by TomCat009 on Apr 28, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Slowly...walking...away from this thread....
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by fourstick on Apr 28, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
seriously you can come over and play with them anytime
I am not possessive or anything
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
by TomCat009 on Apr 28, 2010 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
"Quantity has a quality all of it's own"
Or so my Middle European History teacher used to joke. We always assumed he was talking about essay lengths, but now I realize…
Easy
Player- Nico Vasquez : Because.
Pitcher- Niko Vasquez: Because.
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 28, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, he's in quad cities, I think?
having a really solid start to the year, mainly because he’s been walking quite a lot, which is something he definitely did not do last year.
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by Felonius_Monk on Apr 29, 2010 6:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Wow...feel old now.
Kids that were born in 1991 are throwing 97mph.
Top Single was Bryan Adams (Everything I Do) I Do it For You, Home Improvement Premiers, Street Fighter II is released in Arcades, and Terminator 2 is the top grossing movie.
And the Cubs world series drought is only 83 years.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
No kidding
- Barry Bonds was still a Pirate with a normal head size.
- The Braves hadn’t yet won a division title.
- Terry Pendleton was the MVP……in a Braves uniform.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
And was just starting to mature
at the age of 31.
I just bought Street Fighter II on my 360 for like $4
Sweet
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by jd is legend on Apr 28, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
a while back I bought it at wal*mart
…one of those games that you just hook directly into your TV.

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
fang was one year old
zoomzoom, cody, and rasmusgirl weren’t born.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 28, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Youngster....I was 4.
Note: Above comment may contain gratuitous amounts of sarcasm.
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Hey Houston,
Suck it; you suck
sonuva....
I was a H.S. junior – playing baseball, chasing girls (mostly unsuccessfully), and worring about flunking my ACT’s
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by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Apr 28, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Ha!
you guys make me feel ancient. In ’91 I was finishing up my doctorate (which took a long time, BTW) we had our second kid, and I started my career. Oh, and the Cards WS appearance “drought” was only four years old at the time.
by ArkansasTravs on Apr 28, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Pshhhh, ACT's were cake
34 out of 36, suckas.
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BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS
Hey Houston,
Suck it; you suck
How many times could you take it?
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
Haha
Cumulative over 3 tries, right?
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by jd is legend on Apr 28, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice...
I’m taking that with a grain of salt due to your byline though.
I got a 33 myself and a 1450 on the SAT.
The problem is that my employer doesn’t give a shit how I did on standardized tests or what my college GPA was. Ahh the things that high school counselors tell you are the key to your future.
We had one kid in my high school class that scored perfect on the ACT and SAT. He’s in prison for dealing drugs….
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
that's math skills for you!
i got a 32 on the act, 25 math. so…maybe i should become a drug runner, because i certainly can’t be trusted with the count.
the whole “graduating from college in 7 months and probably being poor/homeless because i did what i loved in college and what im interested in” thing is really starting to drag me down. it’s like a terrible combination of fear, anxiety, and helplessness. huzzah.
"...and pujols has given st louis the lead"
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do they still give your percentile on the ACT?
someone was telling me they scored a 32 and couldn’t get into U of I – there was a time when a 28 put you in the 99th percentile.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I knew folks who scored 26 on the ACT
and walked into UIUC easily.
(1995)
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
i think the test has probably changed drastically over the years
scores keep getting higher – that 26 is probably a 29-30 today, percentile-wise. inflation.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
my percentile was definitely up there.
think it was…99 or 98.5. not sure what it is. a 32 got me into UW, a far superior school anyway (apologies for the smug), but I don’t think an ACT makes or breaks admissions anyway. I had a few co-currics that I did really intensely and looked good on college admissions.
"...and pujols has given st louis the lead"
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Yeah most colleges will tell you ACT/SAT doesn't make or break admission.
It can make or break scholarships though.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
smugness not serious.
don’t get so full of yourself, u of i.
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I was in the 99th percentile
Which got me access to a lot of grants and scholarships. Helped take the burden off of my college expenses, that’s for sure.
Anything over 25 will pretty well get you universally accepted at any school outside of the most prestigious ones, and a lot of the Ivy League schools end up taking the kids of people who went there anyway.
Had I gotten the National Merit scholarship I might have thought about applying to Stanford or Princeton, but there’s no way I was affording that without having it paid for.
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Yah...probably why I'm so statistically oriented.
Funny thing though: I love statistics, I hate high end mathematics. In the words of Chris Carpenter, I don’t give a fuck what happens as we get closer and closer to 0.
What is it you like to do that’s giving you such anxiety about graduating? I really hated college, tbh, because I always felt like I was paying to play a game, now I get PAID to play the game and paid well.
You really can’t fuck up your career too bad if you show up, work hard, and make sure you get credit for your accomplishments.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
I am still the most proud
Of the first time I took the act and scored a 26. I was dealing with the most insane hangover of my life and probably still the worst one ever. I puked in my sleep, puked in the morning, and puked during the math section. Which I only finished a 1/4 of. I had to turn my test in to go puke.
by FlimtotheFlam on Apr 28, 2010 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
dang... who's removed bj rains from their twitter feed?
the G-Dem has its own sports feed. he’s not just RTing one story every ten hours, it’s the entire Cardinals page.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
FWIW, Gausmann,
even if he has the surname of a B-movie scientist, looks a really interesting case to me. A little like some of our 2nd and sandwich picks in recent years, he looks like a guy with first round talent yet some “but’s…” that might just lower him to our sort of level. If his issue really is that he’s altered his mechanics detrimentally, it really shouldn’t be too hard (especially at his age) to correct that.
Chris Carpenter doesn't give a fuck about your fantasy team.
sounds more mathematician, personally
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Apr 28, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
My draft post this year shall be called
Waiting for Gausman.
We all have ways of coping. I use sex and awesomeness.
by the red baron on Apr 28, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
But..... Professor Gausmann....
WHAT HAVE YOU CREATED?!!??
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by Felonius_Monk on Apr 28, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Nice.
We all have ways of coping. I use sex and awesomeness.
by the red baron on Apr 28, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Allie is a really intriguing kid...
And it’s not just because of the fact that we could have a Stetson, a Shelby, and a Hooker on our pitching staff in 2014. That would just be icing on the cake.
He throws a legit 100 on the gun according to multiple scouts, and from what I’ve read, multiple people have also seen him throw some pretty wicked breaking stuff too, enough that a couple of scouting reports mention that he may have the potential for multiple plus pitches. The caveat, though, as RB points out, is that he literally has no idea where the ball is going most of the time.
To me, it depends on what falls to us in the draft. If the Cardinals can take a polished college pitcher with a good amount of upside (like Matt Harvey, although he’s a Boras client so this is unlikely, or Jesse Hahn) I think they’ll do so. Short of that, and with the complete lack of good position player talent near the end of the first round, I think they might roll the dice on someone like Allie late in the first round, hoping he can develop some control. Back-to-back high upside high school pitchers would be a first for the Cardinals, but I wouldn’t put it past this front office, who will have two more picks in the top 50 to add some depth.
FYI, in his Mock #5, Andy Seiler has us taking Gaussman, for whatever that’s worth.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Speaking of Harvey,
have you seen he is currently sporting the worst mustache ever grown by a human being? That lip sweater alone should be enough to knock him down substantially on any sane draft board.
We all have ways of coping. I use sex and awesomeness.
by the red baron on Apr 28, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
That's hilarious!
Seiler has the Cubs taking him, and that mustache reminds me of the one that Gary Busey wore in “Rookie of the Year”.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
I disagree
If I were batting against him, I’d be fixated on it until it was too late to even attempt to swing the bat
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by jd is legend on Apr 28, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
If Gausman falls to us
I think he’s my favourite so far (of the people we could legitimately possibly get, that is).
Chris Carpenter doesn't give a fuck about your fantasy team.
by Felonius_Monk on Apr 28, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
I would guess he's be the pick
if he’s available, and it seems likely he will be. Seiler is pretty damn good at this stuff and his Mock for the 1st round and supplemental for 2009 was incredibly accurate.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
I would be very happy with that
seems a nice balance of risk and polish.
Chris Carpenter doesn't give a fuck about your fantasy team.
by Felonius_Monk on Apr 28, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
well I'm sure you all want to know about the itinerant days of Brendan Ryan
of course, my fears about his shoulder-gnawing are confirmed. I do hate being right about this stuff. I wish I’d saved that one interview where he was spooked about Eckstein still blocking him, ‘cause it’s gone now. constant theme.
he’s gotta believe that he’s a starter, come ON, Boog!
Shortstop Brendan Ryan was one of many Cardinals excited about the signing before Tuesday’s game. Ryan lived with Miles when he first broke into the big leagues in 2007.
"He let me move in," Ryan said. "His wife was having a baby so they all went back home and I just moved in to one of his open bedrooms.
"He had some injuries last year but that’s a guy that played on a championship team off the bench. He’s got great experience coming off the bench. He’s a proven role player, utility guy, whatever you want to call it. He’s a great teammate, great in the clubhouse. You can go on and on about how good of a Cardinal he was."
Ryan talked with Miles several times the past few days, including Tuesday after he heard that the deal had become final.
"He is definitely excited," Ryan said. "I talked to him in San Francisco and he said they were talking, but it was kind of at a standstill. He’s excited. I think he was wishing the kids well and saying goodbye. I think he was on his way to the airport (today).
"Hopefully we’ll see him here. I don’t want it to cost anyone a job or anything, especially me. But no, I am very excited."
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I've seen Aaron Miles play SS,
and he is not a SS.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I've seen Aaron Miles hit
and he is not a major league hitter. Ergo, Brendan Ryan should not be losing his job any time soon.
Chris Carpenter doesn't give a fuck about your fantasy team.
by Felonius_Monk on Apr 28, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Although his walkoff grandslam against the pirates 2 years ago is, bizarrely
one of my fondest and most vivid recent Cardinals memories.
Chris Carpenter doesn't give a fuck about your fantasy team.
by Felonius_Monk on Apr 28, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I liked the strut out of the box
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by jd is legend on Apr 28, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
i thought it was the padres?
one of jaime’s starts?
"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."
jaime had only 1 start, iirc
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
yeah it looks like you're right
that’s really weird because i could’ve sworn it was the pirates. Strange how your memory can play tricks on you. It was an awesome moment though (even though I think we had the bases loaded with either 1 or 0 outs, so if we HADN’T walked off it would’ve really sucked).
Chris Carpenter doesn't give a fuck about your fantasy team.
by Felonius_Monk on Apr 29, 2010 6:36 AM EDT up reply actions
i'll never forget it because as he walked to the plate
i was complaining to my younger bro about how much he sucked & how TLR was giving the game away having him hit. then the dude launched that ball into the pen & my bro looked at me & said i didn’t know anything about baseball.
i’ll never forgive Mini Me for that
Out of suffering have emerged the strongest souls; the most massive characters are seared with scars
this is EXACTLY why Brendan Ryan is irrationally paranoid about losing his job.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Apr 28, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I wonder if constantly seeing Stav in the clubhouse gave the organization a hankerin' for some Miles
If Miles does make his way back up to St. Louis, I doubt we will see both Miles-big and Stav-little on the bench together. I’d guess that Miles-big would be released to make room for him. It looks like with the Lopez’s recent elbow issues finally got the FO thinking, maybe an extra infielder would be more appropriate than 3 OF.
Also, I wonder if this move is meant only to give T. Greene a bit of a push. Dating back to the begining of last season, T. Greene has been our only legit minor-league MI back-up, which doesn’t say much for our MI depth. He’s had no real pressure from other players or from the FO. He’s been unreliable due to either poor fielding or poor results with the bat (sometimes both). Maybe this is there attempt to get Greene to put it all together and prove that he can adequately make it as (at least) a back-up MI in the majors.
Yay my first official warning
apparently The Onions obscenity laced humor is not always welcome here
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
I wonder what Carp is like as a dad.......
Sam: “Dad, the school bully kept making fun of me at school today!”
Carp: “Did you beat the shit out of him? Break his nose?”
Sam: “No, Mom says not to fight.”
Carp: “I DON’T GIVE A FUCK!”
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by jd is legend on Apr 28, 2010 11:28 AM EDT reply actions 7 recs
Carp: "Son, do you know what Sam is short for?"
Sam: “It’s Samuel, dad.”
Carp: “No, son, it’s short for Samsonite. Now fucking act like it.”
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by Felonius_Monk on Apr 28, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions 19 recs
rec'd
If I had a minute for every hour I wasted I would be doing fine, I would be rich in time - Jack Johnson
sam is short for sam bradford
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by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 28, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
"That's odd, Chris....
…why does you son have 4 sets of suitcases?"
"Honey will you take out the trash already?"
“I DON”T GIVE A uh, um, well sure I guess so."
by sdrone on Apr 28, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Could his newfound variety of "pitches" be what is so effective.
The hitters have absolutely no idea what is coming at any one time? It’s not like they can sit fastball. Kind of a Crash Davis"I wouldn’t dig in there if I were you.". Not that he’s wild, just that they can’t get a bead on him now.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Apr 28, 2010 11:31 AM EDT reply actions
No...because they're still sitting dead red.
He can’t throw strikes with anything else. Maybe the change of speeds helps, but that slower fastball usually gets whacked pretty good…
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
That's what I thought, I figured a goodly amount of luck had to be figured into it.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Apr 28, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
If we start seeing guys swinging over top of the slider
I’d be more inclined to agree you. About the only time they even offer at this breaking stuff is if it’s hanging over the middle of the plate early in the count or they’re fouling it off with two strikes.
I’ve been impressed with his ability to get outs so far this season though. But I’d just rather he cranked up the 4 seamer to 98-99 like he used to against guys like Glaus and Ricky Vaughn ’em.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
he was hitting low and away well with the heat
now if he could master up and in with that same heat – think he would’ve blown glaus away at that point. of course, the danger is if he misses and it’s not at 97.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
"Now he's not gonna wanna load the bases, so look for low and away....
…..but watch out for in your ear…" — Shoeless Joe Jackson, “Field of Dreams”.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
by fourstick on Apr 28, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
that's great
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Nice reference.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Apr 28, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
It looked to me like several of his pitches that were supposed to be low and away got put over the middle of the plate.
There were a couple that I really thought looked like meat pitches and was really surprised they didn’t get blistered. Which is why I asked if it was the fact that he was all over the place with speed and location that was throwing the hitters off, hence he’s been kinda lucky so far. But I haven’t gotten to see that many games, I think last nite was only the second time I got to see him pitch.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Apr 28, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
he hit that low and away
half the time – missed that last time.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
i basically have no idea what to say about motte
but damn, he’s fun to watch. i can’t tell you how much fun we have with motte when i’m watching with my buddies. if he throws in the 80’s, we yell. if he throw in the low-80s, we yell louder. it’s a fun exercise.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 28, 2010 11:47 AM EDT reply actions
In case anyone missed it,
Ricky Horton made my official * list last night.
99% of Sabermeticians need to get a life.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Can we get a peek at the official list?
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by jd is legend on Apr 28, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
trust me
no one missed it.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 28, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Doesn't know how to make friends well, does he?
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Apr 28, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
there was the mom's basement mention, too.
which, again, I find a little suspicious.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Apr 28, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, you know all basement dwellers are independent of each other.
No friends, just occasional alliances. He’s probably in denial.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Apr 28, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Zing
He got me. That’s it, I’m out. What am I doing with me life?
Time to stop worrying and love the RBI.
Jobu needs a refill
by lightbulb on Apr 28, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
ArrrggggghhhhhhhhBI
A pirate’s favorite stat
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by jd is legend on Apr 28, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
I laughed.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Apr 28, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Arrggggggggghhhhhhhegression based analysis
just doesn’t have the same flow.
Think; It's not illegal yet.
by azruavatar on Apr 28, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That is a cool fact on Wagner!
“As a youth, Wagner was a natural right-handed pitcher, but after breaking his throwing arm twice, he taught himself how to use his left arm by throwing nothing but fastballs against a barn wall. " per http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_Wagner
That would've been a Herculean task. I've tried throwing left-handed it's a bitch.
I can shoot a basketball from any range with either hand, but trying to go against your natural make-up like would’ve been a monumental undertaking.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Apr 28, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Reminds me (in a vague way) of Phil Mickelson
Who, as is well known by this point, does everything right-handed except swing a golf club.
"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols
True, but there's a valid competitive reason to learn how to hit left-handed in baseball.
There’s no advantage to be gained in golf from playing left-handed as opposed to right-handed, with the possible exception of learning to putt from both sides. My point being, it’s not something that gets done every day, and would generally only happen under extenuating circumstances (Wagner breaks his arm, Mickelson learns a golf swing by mirroring his right-handed father).
And, like I said, it’s a vague comparison at best, anyways. (I’m a big golfer, in case you couldn’t tell. I like to talk golf when I can.)
"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols
I didn't know that's how he learned to swing.
If that were his natural swing motion though, then it would be like a lot of the rest of us.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Apr 28, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
But there are a lot of guys like Ludwick/JD/Stephen Drew who are just better from the opposite side. Just sayin that seems a lot more natural than throwing.
I’m just getting into golf and am getting past the “fuck this game I’m never fucking playing this fucking game again” stage after every round. I’m in the “holy cow am I terrible, but at least I hit a few decent shots and if I keep playing I’ll get better!” stage that I will probably be in for the rest of my life. It feels much better to focus on the beautiful 7 iron shot to a few feet instead of the 9 on a par 4. My big problem is that I’m worthless with anything higher than a 5 iron, I’m better than my beginner friends at the mid/short game, I just can’t get out of the tee box—-I can’t even pick up the driver. 18 years of baseball swings have produced a vicious slice on those and I have no idea how to fix it.
Not afraid to nitpick
I have the same problem, and even after being out of baseball for 18 years, it hasn't gotten any better.
18 years of baseball swings have produced a vicious slice on those and I have no idea how to fix it.
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by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Apr 28, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I got your drift.
And yeah, I do think swinging from the other side makes for an easier transition than throwing…possibly (though I’m just pulling this out of my butt) because you’re using both arms anyway, so it’s not as drastic a transition, as opposed to throwing, which moves the action entirely to the other side of the body.
And…well, I’m starting to tread dangerous ground without having actually SEEN your swing, but I’d wager that the baseball swings have taught you to keep your right arm/elbow (I’m assuming you swing right-handed, here) up a bit…which is a little thing we call a chicken wing in golf. Maybe trying to keep that elbow closer to your body would help, if that’s the case?
"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols
Yeah
I’m better when I keep the ‘bow down, still slices, but then I’ll also forget about that trying to work on other stuff. I guess that’s gonna be my thing to work on today at the range.
Driving range I can hit probably 15% straight, 30% fade, 25% slice, 25% vicious slice and 5% I’ll actually hook. I like it when I hook because I’d like to think that’s how I’ll eventually figure out the difference between when I slice and hit it straight…….swing obviously feels much different I just don’t know what is different. On the actual course however, it’s pretty much just vicious slice.
Not afraid to nitpick
Sounds like a swing path thing.
Slices, of course, come from cutting across the ball (“out to in” swing path)…keeping that back elbow down, and the whole right elbow closer to the body, should help with that. Another thing that I remember learning to kind of encourage a better swing path was imagining that the ball was a clock, and thinking of feeling your clubhead going through the ball from 4 to 10 (as opposed to straight through, 3 to 9). That could possibly help a bit.
And, if it just makes things worse, well, you get what you pay for. ;)
"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols
4 to 10 from the golfer's POV or 4 to 10 from behind the ball?
I thought the latter at first, and thought NO NO NO, but I guess it makes more sense if it’s the former. Also, this advice is for righties, if you’re a lefty and slicing, go 8 to 2.
Also, whenever something is happening in my swing (usually hooks), I look at my grip first. So many times I’ve tried radical changes in my swing when all I had to do was get my grip right.
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by jd is legend on Apr 28, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, golfer's POV.
Should’ve made that more clear, sorry.
And, yeah, I agree about the grip (for me, sometimes as well, it’s ball placement in my stance that’s often the culprit, but that’s just me)…I just kinda figured, since joker said he’s just getting into golf, that a few more mechanical ideas might be in order right now.
And, of course, lest this all be forgotten, I’m just some yokel on the internet offering free swing advice, which may or may not be BS. Do what works for you.
"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols
Last line is key
Your swing should feel comfortable and natural. If you’re fighting your swing, the results are gonna be bad.
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by jd is legend on Apr 28, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
And, like JD said below,
just keep working. As with everything, practice makes perfect.
"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols
Sounds pretty normal
Keep working, you’ll get it
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by jd is legend on Apr 28, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Have you tried any Hybrid long irons?
I have the hybrid Cleveland HiBore’s in my bag for my 4 and 5 irons and I love ‘em. I also use a Ping G10 7 wood instead of a 3/4 iron for a lot of the longer shots. I’m about the 20-25 right now but steadily improving, so I feel like we’re at about the same level.
You can go online and get some used or discounted mis-matched sets for the Hi-Bore’s for about $40 a club right now at a lot of different places.
Also, if you’re really, really struggling with driver, take 2 lessons from a pro. It’ll cost you around $25-$30 a session, but it’s TOTALLY worth it.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Difficulty hitting high irons reminds me of a joke
“What do you do if you’re playing golf and get caught in the middle of a huge thunderstorm? Hold a 1-iron in the air, because even God can’t hit a 1-iron.”
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by jd is legend on Apr 28, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Yup...I've heard that one a few times for sure
Those Cleveland Hi-Bores have literally taken 5 strokes off every round I play. I find myself teeing off with them on short par 4’s that have a dog leg left or right because I hit them a lot straighter consistently then my driver or 3 wood.
Best $100 I ever spent.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
I have some new Mizuno MX-200s on their way now
Which as I understand it are about as good of clubs you can get for a beginner player (but not a “never played sports and can’t hit the ball” type)………..but more importantly they are free—-long story. Obviously clubs aren’t going to fix a swing path problem, but from what I gather that should help somewhat.
I’ve hit a hybrid 4 a few times and…..I hit the regular irons better. I don’t think I need a professional coach just yet for where I am on the learning curve, I can hit the long clubs well at times, I just can’t do it with any kind of consistency. I’d just rather tinker and figure some stuff out myself before I go and try enhance a totally crap swing. It’s a brutal experience to deal with but the GF has been playing forever and knows enough to get me on the right path—-I think.
Not afraid to nitpick
Golf Magazine
rated those MIzuno’s pretty high as “Player Improvement” Clubs.
I guess the other thing that helped me a lot with my long irons is choking up a bit on them. My problem was always with striking the ball properly, so I just choked up a bit, went up a club, and added the 7 Wood to my bag to make up the difference for the 3 Iron.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
What pisses me off
is that I can hit a ball being thrown at me at 90 mph really well, but can’t hit a ball teed up on the ground worth a shit.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
I'm gonna have to bookmark this little subthread
for when I buy my new clubs this summer. I love golf, almost as much as baseball, and I really wish I could get decent. It’s like my dream ambition.
"...and pujols has given st louis the lead"
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Easiest way to get better at golf
Spend an hour a day on your short game. 30 minutes chipping/pitching, 30 minutes putting. For the bad-to-average golfer, this shaves 6-8 strokes off your round (after awhile, of course).
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by jd is legend on Apr 28, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
that's what I did last summer
the St Paul city courses had an amazing deal where you could pay either 15 or 13 (depending on the course) for 18 holes, which really is a steal.
Thus, I played like 45 to 50 times. I’m at the point where I can put decently enough, chip okay, and hit good approach shots from about 150 in. Went from shooting ~high 90s to low 90s high 80s. baby steps.
But it’s off the tee where my accuracy and contact is horrible. Part of it is playing with the same clubs I’ve had for like 8 or 9 years now. I need good ones, or at least not shit ones.
We should have a VEB golf tournament!
"...and pujols has given st louis the lead"
The Best Defensive Play I Have Seen in Person
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I'm there
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by jd is legend on Apr 28, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Heck, make it a benefit scramble
All proceeds go to the Albert Pujols New Contract Fund.
"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols
You'd be amazed
at what a new set of grips will do for an old set of clubs.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
interesting.
well, i’m buying my cousins’ old ping irons and cleveland woods which i tested out over spring break and really enjoyed. might have them regripped next summer. but i’ve never really heard a lot about how grips impact the swing or whatever, but I’ll have to look into it.
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Supposedly
A thicker grip means more fades/slices and a thinner grip means more draws/hooks. I don’t know why this is, but it’s something I’ve been told several times before.
2010 St. Louis Cardinals - Sinkers and Dingers
by jd is legend on Apr 28, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Sounds like wrist control
Thicker = less ability to roll them through (and roll the clubhead through) the shot.
Guessing
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Makes sense
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by jd is legend on Apr 28, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
But darn it, it's just so fun to hit the long ball!!
File this one as a corollary to the Big Mac Simpsons appearance: “Do you want to do the real work necessary to improve, or do you want to see me hit 300 yard bombs??”
"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols
Oh I agree
There are few feelings in golf better than crushing a drive straight down the center of the fairway
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by jd is legend on Apr 28, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
My goal is to get my handicap down to 15 by the end of this summer
I’m at 22 right now.
As soon as I get my next bonus check (2 weeks) I’m getting fitted for some Ping G15 irons to replace my 5-9 Irons. Considering that most of the reviews for them have guys getting an extra club in distance and better loft that should help me a great deal.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
I've had my Ping I3 irons for about 10 years, and am in no rush to get new clubs
Good choice (both you and tgreenfield)
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by jd is legend on Apr 28, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I hit the same clubs......got them,
in my size, at a garage sale for $50 aboot 5 years ago. The guy hit them once, decided he couldn’t hit them, and tossed them in a corner.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
wut
Lucky
2010 St. Louis Cardinals - Sinkers and Dingers
by jd is legend on Apr 28, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
can't wait then.
"...and pujols has given st louis the lead"
The Best Defensive Play I Have Seen in Person
follow me on teh twitterz @greenfieldt
you are like...exactly me.
i need new clubs, mine are shite.
"...and pujols has given st louis the lead"
The Best Defensive Play I Have Seen in Person
follow me on teh twitterz @greenfieldt
Notah Begay III!
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by jd is legend on Apr 28, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd point out that
young men living in their mom’s basements have not yet beseiged the game of golf. 10 years from now we could know exactly what advantages a lefthander has.
Intriguing thought.
But just thinking about it right now, I can’t imagine what advantages there would be to be discovered. The vast varieties simply in the playing fields that golf takes place on, as opposed to any other sport, would, to me, seem to make finding anything statistically useful a Herculean task. Add to that the fact that doglegs to either direction favor a different kind of shot shape, and different pros tend to favor certain shot shapes (fade or draw) over others, average wind speed and direction on each different course playing a bigger factor in the game than in other sports…well, let’s just say it’d take someone far smarter than I to pull all this together.
"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols
THAT"S IT!
A switch hitting golfer. Then you can hit from whichever side is best for a particular shot.
What’s that you say? You can only have so many clubs in your bag? It takes different clubs for a lefty vs. a righty?
Oh, my bad. nvm
by ArkansasTravs on Apr 28, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Heh.
Yeah, there’s that whole pesky “Rules of Golf” thing. What can you do?
"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols
Well, usually
I just ignore them.
‘course I don’t play much and then it’s with family or other jokers like me that don’t care about silly rules .
by ArkansasTravs on Apr 28, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Somewhere, someone is working on golf clubs
with pivoting heads to accommodate switch-hitting golfers.
by Ghostrider520 on Apr 28, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Except Rickey.
Rickey be doing it Rickey’s own way.
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
I still think it's
cool that Ludwick is already 2nd only to Rickey in some career hitting stats among the tiny bats-right throws-left crowd.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Apr 28, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
That is my natural way of hitting.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Apr 28, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Eh
I think if you have enough dedication/time you can make it happen. I can throw with decent mechanics (read: don’t throw like a 6 year old girl) lefthanded, I just have no strength in that side or a feel for the release. If I put in 6-12 months I think I could effectively throw from the left side probably 90% as well as from the right side. It’s insanely impressive that he was able to throw 100 mph there though.
Not afraid to nitpick
That's what I was getting at.
I can throw left-handed, but the amount of time it would take and the ability to get to his level is beyond me.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Apr 28, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
But if you are a bored 10 year old and can only do stuff with your left arm, I can sorta see how it happens
That he was able to get premium velocity with that is nuts though. This just proves that righties are naturally smarter than lefties.
Not afraid to nitpick
Maybe that's why I didn't make it to professional baseball.
I wasn’t allowed to be a bored 10 yr-old.lol
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Apr 28, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
of course, there's the distinct possibility he was a lefty thrower all along
and was initially just doing it wrong – this is not uncommon. he does bat lefty, which doesn’t mean a lot, but does mean something. it would be interesting to see him play catch righty now. it should be natural…yet he never went back to it.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I was able to teach myself to play ping pong left-handed in college
It was great if the only other person in the dorm who wanted to play wasn’t quite up to my skill level, because I was definitely not as good with my left. Also I could pull an Inigo Montoya on people if I underestimated them.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
That's what you get
for wearing yellow stickers on the back of your jersey.
excellent write up about Motte RB!
enjoyed reading that. also, I like all the video on the pitchers, got something to do later on after work.
as an aside, I used to have this roommate that had a phd in indie rock (which was his own focus in the field of ethnomusicology). anyway he would hang out with mates of state and interview them or something.
he is a bit eccentric
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 28, 2010 12:27 PM EDT reply actions
the sign guy has a twitter?
And people laugh
when I say Twitter isn’t a good thing
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
in more serious tweets
JohnMarecek RT @metsgrrl: if MLB wants to censor writers, let’s stop using team hash tags so mlb doesn’t get free content: http://bit.ly/9Awqva about 1 hour ago via Tweetie
fyi free content is their new widget on their box score / game recap pages.
Dailies:
10@10
chess
and ten million tweets on the same four G-D’m articles.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Apr 28, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
that Mothership censorship is a big deal, yo.
they don’t know how twitter works, for one.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Apr 28, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
i completely agree with that girl's writing
censoring writers is just absurd.
follow me on twitter @nickg105
by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 28, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
shut up
/shoves
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Apr 28, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
good argument.
follow me on twitter @nickg105
by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 28, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Just a Quick Aside...
which local kids would you say seem to have the best draft prospects come June.
While Spinning.
How much were yours? 34 dollars. You know you got a pay raise... right?
1. AJ Pujols
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
by TBender on Apr 28, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
No...
he’ll be an international signing for the cards, thanks to his dual citizenship! ;)
While Spinning.
How much were yours? 34 dollars. You know you got a pay raise... right?
seriously... does he in fact have dual citizenship or are y'all just trying to lock him up in your fantasy team?
there’s no reason for him to have dual citizenship as a native St. Louisan.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Apr 28, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know if he does...
but it looks like it would be pretty easy for him to get it if he doesn’t already have, for 40 bucks none-the-less. I’m sure the cardinals could afford to pay for him to get dual citizenship there, go to a Dominican boarding school for a year or two and sign him after he had been a “resident citizen” for a few years. I’m not sure if this would work for mlb or not, but i’m down. Also are we sure Carp was actually born in New Hampshire and not Canada, I’d like to get an early look at Sam.
While Spinning.
How much were yours? 34 dollars. You know you got a pay raise... right?
Just checked the standings
the Cards are at the best record in the NL of 13-7. The worst record in the NL, held by 3 teams, is 8-12. A lot of parity so far.
Cards' schedule has been soft
other teams, not so much. we’ll see.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Apr 28, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Well you might
argue the Mets were a “soft” opponent 10 days ago when we played them; now they have the 4th best record in the NL. For me it’s a little early to be worrying about this.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Apr 28, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
exactly
or heaping the pie on ’em.
or cheesecake. I am told there is no more pie.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Apr 28, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Time to start baking
some pies for Albert.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Apr 28, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
i think he prefers chicken dinners
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Apr 28, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't you mean "the 1st place Mets"?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
That just sounds wrong.
Doesn’t roll off the tongue at all.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
live in the now!
oh wait… weird
"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."
How is that parity?
Isn’t that about the normal distribution of wins/losses, where the best teams win about 100 games and the worst teams lose about 100 games?
by Willie McGee's Twin on Apr 28, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
you're right in the long term
but usually some team gets out to a huge lead and some other team sucks, such as the AL where the Rays are 15-5 and the Orioles are 4-16 (or something like that). Just surprising that everyone’s so close this early.
the nationals have a better record than the cubs
heh heh heh
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
someone posted about Ryan Ludwick's offense?
But it’s Ludwick who tops the charts at his position. Ludwick’s plus-6 is one more than Justin Upton in right field.
and I was right about Holliday looking better. good work, big head.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
This will probably turn into a huge, stupid 80 reply thread
But being +4 may or may not mean a thing, and we have no idea 20 games into the season which one.
Not afraid to nitpick
it might
but mostly because I have no idea what you just said in that second clause…
moar coffee for me…
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Apr 28, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Here's a case
where I’m gonna go old-school (i.e., using my eyes only) and say congrats to Luddy for being a fine right fielder.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Apr 28, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Luddy is our 3rd best hitter
behind Colby and Albert
he is a bit eccentric
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 28, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
something about this photo
makes me want to say something about Southwest Airlines
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Bags fly free?
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
by fourstick on Apr 28, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
RIVERRAT, PAGING RIVERRAT
Finally got that code read. Cat converter is plugged up. No code for O2 sensor came up. Guy told me to see if they could order a cat for it at NAPA. Guys in there told me to just take it to a muffler shop, that they fabricate them and will be able to replace it much cheaper. What is your opinion?
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
I don't know aboot the muffler shop since it
is fused to the manifold. Your best bet would probably be getting one off of the ebay links that I sent you. Do a new search, I just did a quick search. Check with a muffler shop though. Your O2 sensor is probably ok, so it can be transferred to the new cat.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
As a side note,
I’m not a big fan of the universal cats that a lot of muffler shops use. They don’t last nearly as long as a factory setup.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
ok, thanks
I’ll probably order the manifold and cat combo from E-bay and take it to the shop I went to today. Guy seemed reasonable and he didn’t give me any bs like the shop my wife took it to.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
The bane of my existence
Is a belt squealing that I can’t figure the source of. I have been replacing stuff in hopes of stopping it. It will not stop
by FlimtotheFlam on Apr 28, 2010 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Still fighting that, huh?
Have you tried the long scree driver trick?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
not sure what that is
But replaced my idler pulley today and that did nothing to help the problem. I think it is the bearings/brushings of the alternator
by FlimtotheFlam on Apr 28, 2010 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Take a long screw driver and place the metal end
on the suspected culprit, hold your ear to the other end. It will magnify the sound so you can isolate it. Check the rotating parts until you find it. Obviosly stay clear of belts and fans.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I doubt that guys at a muffler shop
are fabricating the combo of chemicals that make a cat work.
Get a replacement at Napa.
its funny because
it was the guys at Napa that recommended it
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
dgoold in your iPhone
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
You're only a shill
if you get paid…
"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols
i knew i had gone wrong somewhere
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
some people hate their browser
Specifically, Fuck Windows Mobile.
$3 is worth it since the new phone I had to buy after bouncing mine off of the wall waiting for IE Mobile to load cost me $60.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
you could have just loaded...
Opera Mobile 10 onto your phone. I have a windows mobile phone (I may be backwards but I actually really like it), I did and it works just fine for me. It’s my experience that if you play with and tweak windows mobile, it is actually a decent set-up for a phone.
I have a VZW Samsung Omnia and have loaded
SPB’s mobile shell (which makes everything interface wise a breeze)
Opera Mobile 10 ( is a nice smooth mobile browser)
and I have no complaints about my phone
While Spinning.
How much were yours? 34 dollars. You know you got a pay raise... right?
Sweet!
I have the VZW Omnia as well (use Opera and like it, too) and just checked out the SPB Mobile Shell. Thanks for the tip, I’ve been griping about the Today screen interface since I got the phone. This SPB shell looks much better!
Cardinals Baseball 2010...Catch the Infection!
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Apr 28, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
it really is...
its just a skin but it makes accessing the phone’s menus and functionality so much easier. I highly recommend it.
While Spinning.
How much were yours? 34 dollars. You know you got a pay raise... right?
the best thing about it is
that it combines the style of user interface and tweaks that made the HTC touch and touch pro nice phones in a much deeper and more integrated way, while being much more intuitive. And it still retains all of the functionality of what makes windows mobile a nice option if you have to use outlook on a regular basis for work.
While Spinning.
How much were yours? 34 dollars. You know you got a pay raise... right?
they've apparently had mercy
2-1 nats
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
No, it's the Cubs
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
yes, and of course the gob's have no mercy
2-2
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Nats out of a jam
3-2 Nats after 5
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Harold Reynolds:
NL Central is wide open.
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Just said on MLBN
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Well that's true
There’s a WIDE OPEN gap between the Cardinals and everyone else.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
pretty easy to say in april
with still a few days left to go in the month
he is a bit eccentric
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 28, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
are the other divisions already locked up?
i’d think our division is the least wide-open.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
he's talkin out his ass
he is a bit eccentric
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 28, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Harold, talk to me in August.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Quick recap of lboros on the Closers show
Apparently, lboros is a regular on the Closers AM1580 in Columbia. Quick snippets:
For Apu, he thinks it will take a minimum of 7 or 8 years and min. $200M.
Management might argue APu can’t have it both ways. They signed Lego, and that took some change.
On what Stan should be paid in present value if he were a player today? $30M/yr. He mentioned the business side (vs. the player side) of how much a player is worth to the franchise.
I didn’t catch the whole thing, as I was driving home from work.
born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red
I have my guess at roughly 28.5 for 7 years
he is a bit eccentric
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 28, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Quality tidbit from Joe Strauss about a field trip
some Cardinal players took while in San Francisco.
Schu and some teammates visited San Quentin the day after his fielding gaffe. An inmate known as Monster asked the group who committed the previous night’s costly error. Schumaker timidly admitted it was he. That might have been worth more than the price of admission.
Classic.
where have you been?
monster is our new team mascot.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I missed all comings and goings during the SF series.
Had company in town.
/apologies
by Ghostrider520 on Apr 28, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
FYI - the San Francisco game threads are must-reads
really, y’all. next to “We signed Miles?!”, there were shocking occasions somewhere between the new 6 “ads” and Colby’s soulmates. this one should suffice… I’ll see if I can find EvilFrog’s hot tub play.
unfortunately, the game was rather umptastic.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
here is EvilFrog's dialogue
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Hoffman gives up HR in the 9th
Vargas gives up HR in the 10th.
Brewers bullpen is wheelin’ n’ dealin’.
Note: Above comment may contain gratuitous amounts of sarcasm.
BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS
Hey Houston,
Suck it; you suck
I'm sure Hoffman's services will be in high demand
come Home Run Derby time.
by Ghostrider520 on Apr 28, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
he'll be asked by prince?
man, someone posed the question, and i took the push, but i’d much rather have franklin than hoffman now.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
saw it while doing homework on my couch
and giggled quite a bit. trevor might not make it to may. he might just retire today.
"...and pujols has given st louis the lead"
The Best Defensive Play I Have Seen in Person
follow me on teh twitterz @greenfieldt
Wow
Looks like Hoffman is throwing his fastball (well, fast compared to the other pitches) almost 70% of the time now, whereas he threw it only about half the time last year.
Maybe guys are just sitting on the fastball now, which is something you just couldn’t do against Hoffman in years past.
Jobu needs a refill
Said it last night, I'll say it again
Hoffman is D-U-N done
2010 St. Louis Cardinals - Sinkers and Dingers
by jd is legend on Apr 28, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Anyone watching the Barca Inter game?
"...and pujols has given st louis the lead"
The Best Defensive Play I Have Seen in Person
follow me on teh twitterz @greenfieldt
Who's pitching?
/kidding
What channel?
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
not sure, I'm at work, hahah
but probably fox sports net or whatever. defs not FSC or ESPN.
"...and pujols has given st louis the lead"
The Best Defensive Play I Have Seen in Person
follow me on teh twitterz @greenfieldt
ended 1-0 right?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
And Pittsburgh is giving it back
Braun doubles, scores on a single.
2 on, 2 out still for Brewers
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
haha
talking about the 20 inning affair because two teams are waiting to play in milwaukee too.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Edmonds out at home in the 13th
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Get some Natinals....

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
by RiverRat on Apr 28, 2010 4:45 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Howard goes yard off of Lincecum
New contract gives him free sandwich
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
The free sandwiches don't kick in until the extension does...in two years.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
He's gonna pissed at all those stale sandwiches then.
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Grammer FAIL
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
did you see it?
just wondering if it was a fastball.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
No
Was at the computer. TV in the other room with MLBN on.
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
But ATG
Fastball, outside, 90 mph
Hit to LF
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
how i envisioned it
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
11-9 now in denver
and maybe we should be happy to take a game in frisco – they are just shutting the phils down.
poor jimmy. probably just cost the game there. he looks very tired.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
The Roxs had been down 6-0 with no outs in the 1st
now up 8-6 first and third one out in the fourth
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
bases jacked for Stewie
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
the eels must not have worked
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
And they're tied at 11
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
just saw that
should have never doubted the power of the eel.
in frisco, major molina fail – man scores from third when he can’t catch the strike.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
12-11 on a Dback HR
Then some starting pitcher pinch hits for the reliever…and singles.
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
ha
just posted that below. looks like frisco cooked – lincecum gets baked tonite.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
FFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
I guess when 60% of your starters, and your Closer are on the DL games like that are going to happen
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
what do you think of street?
i always thought of him as an ideal eighth-inning guy – the former mr. jesse todd reminded me a lot of street.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
The blurb
• The Seattle Mariners have 16 total bases from the DH spot. St. Louis Cardinals outfielder Colby Rasmus generated 11 total bases in one game last week.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
genius
http://www.mcsweeneys.net/links/lists/15petzold.html
death metal lyric, or william blake quote?
he is a bit eccentric
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 28, 2010 5:32 PM EDT reply actions
timmy going for the complete game
4-1 giants
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
i can't spell worth a damn
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
just pulled lincecum
one on, one out, wilson in – surf’s up.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
utley hit, howard up looking to tie it
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
oh, MAN
werth clears the bases after howard walks, ball catches chalk in right – timmeh beside himself in the dugout – tie game, but two on now.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
sandoval
professional hitter.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
sad when the cleanup hitter has to bunt
strikes out.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
vexed, or anyone else
this seems like a contest open to all:
http://www.talkingchop.com/2010/4/27/1448313/how-about-some-laughs
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
See, Cardinals fans?
Closers on other teams blow games, too.
by Michael_68_1999 on Apr 28, 2010 6:09 PM EDT reply actions
we didn't give him a chance?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
does anyone know who the brewers' set up guy is?
is it todd coffey? i’ve got to drop hoffman from my fantasy team, he’s terrible.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
thing is
i don’t know if they will move hoffman from closer. not sure how fantasy works, but coffey or parra might not get save opportunities, if that’s the thing. hoffman has to get to the magic number – he might just kept getting run out there until he does – hell, might even be in his contract.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
this is true
they’re not gonna give up on the all-time saves leader that quickly, fortunately for us. the best pitcher in their bullpen has been carlos villanueva, but he’s not going to see saves chances anytime soon.
interesting.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
give us some options available
i’d drop hoffman, just don’t think you will score points with anyone on milwaukee other than him.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
i was just trying to stay ahead of the curve and guess who might be the closer if they do take hoffman out of that role
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
is motte owned?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
no
not sure he’s a great candidate for me to have. he’s either great or awful.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
gamble a bit on great
/wink
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
ah, this could be
don’t know much about scoring in fantasy
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
what about hawkins?
they paid him a lot of money if he’s not pitching the 8th…
Chris Carpenter doesn't give a fuck about your fantasy team.
by Felonius_Monk on Apr 29, 2010 7:04 AM EDT up reply actions
reminder that we have Boog and Bombs Show in pre-game today
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
My mom is recoding it for me.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
Vexed can recode things if necessary
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
wow, kelly johnson has 8 homers
gives d’backs lead in top 10, then haren ph’s with a single – announcers say he’s hitting .800 on year (are they being facetious?). and kris benson started for d’backs – haha.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
oh darn it, my recording started a second too late for their dramatic slo-mo teaser.
I love those things. I’m such a sucker.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

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