Ryan Howard signs enormous deal, apologizes to Cardinals fans
by DanUpBaby on Apr 27, 2010 6:00 AM EDT
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PrintWell, I guess we won't be able to trade Albert Pujols for him after all—Ryan Howard and the Phillies have agreed to a five year, $125 million contract that will begin in 2012, after he makes $20 million from his old deal in 2011. He'll get $20 million more in 2012 and 2013, $25 million in 2014, 2015, and 2016, and $23 million (or a $10 million buyout) in 2017, when he'll be 37.
Howard is an excellent player, one of the best first basemen in baseball, but as a first baseman who's spent just one season, 2005, among the top five offensive players in baseball this contract, which pays him significantly more than Mark Teixeira from 34-36, is something of a reach. Howard, since 2006, is somewhere on the huge, slugging first baseman continuum between Richie Sexson and Jim Thome, his Phillies predecessor, or Carlos Delgado; he's always one of the best hitters at his position, but he's closest, offensively, to Adam Dunn, who because of his inability to stand on first base and catch all the baseballs is doomed to spend an eternity on two year, $20 million contracts.
He's lost a lot of weight in 2010, but the worries about his longevity were never only about his figure; he's a one-dimensional slugger like Mark McGwire wasn't, walking a little less than his usual 40 homer counterparts, and as they approach 30 even the best players of that type become a little worrisome, struggling with health and effectiveness. It's not as though there's a Bermuda Age Triangle out there—Thome's best season was in 2002, when he was 31, and as a player with Hall of Fame-level gifts (or even just the one) it's wrong-headed, if not disingenuous, to suggest so early that Ryan Howard has almost certainly put his best years behind him.
But to be surprised by this contract is to say nothing about his prospects in the future—the Phillies are simply paying a lot of money for the Ryan Howard they have right now.
And as Cardinals fans, he said, gulping theatrically, we'll have to get used to that. Gulp.
That makes two players with which to triangulate Albert Pujols's eventual megadeal—Joe Mauer, who makes a nicely symmetrical $23 million from ages 28 to 35 (30 to 85, perhaps, in catcher years), and Ryan Howard, who, taking his current deal into account, is making almost the same money from 30 to 37. Mauer is younger than Pujols and similarly brilliant; Howard plays the same position as Pujols and has an MVP award because he drives Chase Utley in a lot. But whatever the metrics' opinions of these players, both belong among the very best players in baseball according to baseball fans, both local and national.
That's the difference between Teixeira (or, for some reason, Chase Utley) and Pujols or Howard or Ichiro—when the GM is sitting across the figurative bargaining table (is there a literal bargaining table?) from the face of the franchise, the one player whose absence would convince casual fans that the team doesn't care about winning, there's an added value and an added urgency to contract negotiations. Trading Johan Santana was too bad for the Twins and their fans, but signing Joe Mauer was a referendum. The Phillies are the most successful team in the National League as the decade begins, but losing Ryan Howard would disconnect the newly cutthroat Phillies—trading for Cliff Lee and then Roy Halladay—from the ones that finally shook them from their early-aughts malaise.
I can't look at the Phillies' books—though I guess I haven't asked—but that's my best guess; Joe Mauer, Ryan Howard, and Albert Pujols are worth more to their home teams than they are to any other club that might be able to afford them. Joe Mauer's energized a fanbase that's already enjoying a new stadium, and ensuring that Albert Pujols ends his career in St. Louis would prevent the Best Fanbase in Baseball from tearing their own new stadium apart, retro-styled brick by retro-styled brick, and burying it beneath Ballpark Village.
It already seemed likely that Pujols would get more than Mauer (and less than A-Rod) when the time came, but comparisons between them were always nebulous; Mauer is younger, but he's also a catcher. What's worrying about the Ryan Howard deal is that, unless we all manage, collectively, to turn back thirty years of baseball analysis between now and 2012, Pujols is so clearly better.
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i still don't believe any of it
not until pujols and his agent come out and point to mauer’s and howard’s contract and say something like “yes, this is what we’re looking for.” i refuse to believe that they won’t offer some sort of discount until they come out and say they won’t.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 27, 2010 6:06 AM EDT reply actions
i wouldn't expect to hear the word "discount"
until after the ink is dried. anyway, since he’s never going to become a free-agent, how do we really know what a discount would be?
also, dan, i know he’s not popular around here, but you should’ve had a chair for jeter around the bargaining table for faces-of-the-franchises – doesn’t he have a contract coming up?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
i can recall only 1 player
Actually taking a “discount” to sign with a hometown team and that was Griffey. But since he never hit the free market its impossible to say whether it was honestly a discount or not. Pujols will command 30+ a year and sorry, but you can’t pay pujols and holliday close to 50 mil and expect to keep payroll at 90. Either the cardinals philosophy needs to change (unlikely) or pujols is a goner in a year and 7/8.
by lopey986 on Apr 27, 2010 8:47 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Pujols won't hit the market, either
he’ll likely re-sign after this year. If we can’t get something done with him in the summer, I assume we won’t be signing him when he hits free agency. I expect him to sign for something approaching a fair price.
Just because Howard signed for a stupid amount doesn’t necessarily mean Pujols will, either. Matt Holliday is a better player than Howard and signed for a fraction of that deal. Joe Mauer is a much better player and arguably nearly as good as Pujols and signed for $23m/yr. Ben Zobrist has just signed an absolute steal of a deal for Tampa Bay. Why does the Howard deal, in particular, push up the Pujols price? It’s just one bad deal (probably the worst in baseball) signed in a climate when quite a few fair and even team-friendly ones have been signed.
Pujols is happy in St Louis. He’s said he’ll be happy to re-sign with the team and wants to stay. At the end of 2011, neither the Yanks (Tex, A-Rod, Jeter) or Sox (V-Mart, Youkilis, probably Adrian Gonzalez) will need anyone at 1B or DH, the Angels have Morales at 1B for the foreseeable future and Texas have Smoak (and possibly Davis and Hamilton) to find at-bats for. Unless Boston don’t sign Gonzalez (in which case, where does he land?), the only clubs who might be able to find $30m+ for Pujols are the Mets and the Dodgers, which really restricts his potential market IMO.
I don’t really see this making a big difference, and I also don’t see us going out and trading for Holliday, then signing him to a big extension if the cash wasn’t in place to extend Pujols. It’s just not going to happen. If they weren’t confident they could re-sign albert, I expect they turn over LF to Allen Craig this year and save up the $17m/year (or whatever it is) to add to Pujols’ current deal.
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by Felonius_Monk on Apr 27, 2010 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
The Howard deal will be Pujols benchmark
Why in the world would he take less than Howard?
That’s a slap in the face, he’s far better than Howard.
Brad Penny is better than Randy Wolf
but he still signed for about quarter of his guaranteed money this year. It doesn’t always work like that. Howard is the 2nd best paid player in baseball from 2012 onwards, and yet he’s only maybe the 50th best player or something. By that rationale Mauer, Zobrist, Holliday, and all the other players who are better than Howard should be signing for $25m+.
TBH, unless he takes a discount, I would expect Pujols to exceed $25m now (maybe with some deferred money somehow) but I can’t see him going too far north of it. Obviously if he’s “only” $25m/yr someone will find the cash for him, but if (and I suspect this will be the case) the Sox and Yanks aren’t in on him, it’s hard to see how the bidding goes north of $30m. I also expect that it’ll be a closed market as we’ll get something done in the winter, instead of letting him hit FA.
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by Felonius_Monk on Apr 27, 2010 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions
You're missing it
Mauer, Zobrist, Holliday all play different positions. Howard and Pujols have been linked since 2005. They are the two biggest run producing first basemen in the NL. Howard’s contract most definitely will be a benchmark.
Hey Ump!
I don't see why the media linking them together because they play the same position
makes a damn bit of difference.
There is absolutely no way that Ryan Howard gets that deal on the open market. That’s a ridiculous overpay. You could make the same case about Mauer, except that Mauer is the best player on his team and the face of his franchise — I’m not sure that Howard is either of those things.
As I said yesterday: The Cardinals shouldn’t have to pay the stupid tax just because Philadelphia already paid it. That’s not a “market based” deal, that’s a poorly negotiated contract by the Philly front office. They’d have been better off letting him hit free agency and then trying to sign Adrian Gonzalez who is younger and is a far better player than Howard is.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
I don’t see why the media linking them together because they play the same position makes a damn bit of difference.
You might not but every agent in the business will.
Hey Ump!
That's true, but it doesn't mean we have to pay it
and presumably the only agent who matters is dan lozano.
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by Felonius_Monk on Apr 27, 2010 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions
If he is worth his salt, this deal will most definitely increase the ask
Comp analysis is an irreplaceable part of the valuation matrix. The way I see it, there are at least 3 valuation methodologies you would use to form a salary range:
1. Discounted cash flows: Peg a $ amount on Pujols’ likely win contribution, factor in $ value of a win and inflation, plus all the off the field stuff (jerseys, tickets, nostalgia, etc).
2. Sum of the parts: Evaluate what Pujols’ skills are worth individually, factoring in scarcity and the difficulty/ease of replication (including the farm at below market rates)
3. Comp analysis: Look at precedent deals to evaluate the market rate for similar production
All of these are related, and you ideally find a number and years in a range where the three overlap. But Albert should absolutely fire his agent if the Howard deal isn’t mentioned every two sentences. Why would you ever buy or sell anything of value without looking at precedent transactions, especially with a differentiated product?
So,
if Mo says:
“Yeah, okay, guys Ryan Howard. Right. The Phillies don’t use math when they value a player, so they overpay for things like RBIs, seem not to understand age regression, and have no idea of historical comparisons, so they grossly overpaid for a strikeout machine who can’t hit lefthanded pitching and will likely wind up being forever locked in history’s eye as the club who signed the worst contract in baseball history. So, we aren’t even going to pay any attention to that contract, which, frankly, I think might be an act of general managerial malpractice, and I don’t want to open myself up that kind of liability.”
You think that won’t carry the day?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Apr 27, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Is that last question facetious?
by Willie McGee's Twin on Apr 27, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
the game
Isn’t this really the game Boras plays — go find the best comparison and negotiate from there? The Cards will have their own method, I’d guess it’s a discounted cash flows methodology.
I think Boras’ approach works better outside of the actual negotiations—he clearly tried to bring the fanbase into the Holliday talks publicly. The target audience for the comps game seems to be the fans (or even the owner), moreso than the GM.
I think the Phillies signed Howard to this deal....
because they were afraid of the deal Pujols might sign, and didn’t want Howard’s agent to use that as a comp. In essence, the Phils decided that they’d set the market, rather than having it set on them.
I don’t agree with the Phils’ decision, but I’d bet that was part of the thought process
by Willie McGee's Twin on Apr 27, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
But
In setting the market, they overvalued the market by $6M-$9M per season! It’s kinda stupid to set the market in the first place if you’re just going to set it at the second highest AAV in all of baseball!
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
It's like you're making an excuse for them doing something stupid
When the excuse used actually defends NOT signing the deal in question. They should have let Pujols sign first, because he’s the best player on the market. If he signs for 8Y$200M, then it’s pretty easy to get Howard to sign for less than that, because he’s not nearly as good of a player as Pujols is.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
But
you forgot about the RBIs…
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by Felonius_Monk on Apr 27, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
you're the one taking it as an "excuse"....
I was making a hypothesis about the Phils’ motivations and/or thought process.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Apr 27, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
And what I'm saying
is that if that was their thought process, it’s completely ass backwards. Proven more by the fact that they didn’t know where the market was because they signed a player who wasn’t on the free agent market at a $6M premium based on his WAR VALUE! Albert Pujols WAR value is about $44M, meaning a similar deal for him would be $50M. Do you think Pujols is getting $50M per season?
You don’t try and “set” a market with inferiorly talented players. You set the market with the best players and let the others fall behind. Trying to set the market with the non-best players generally leads to you overpaying for those players (see Soriano, Alfonso and Lee, Carlos).
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Actually
if you think Howard was actually worth about $19 mil, not $25 mil, and Pujols is actually worth about $44 mil, then the overpay would equate to almost $58 mil ($57.89 mil).
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Apr 27, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Ah, by percentage, yes. Agreed
I was just using the $6M figure, as in “they overpaid him by $6M a year”.
Excellent point though.
And…
Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
The absolute top dollar for Howard
based on his value and the 2009/2010 FA market would have been something like $15M per season, and even that’s probably more than he’s actually worth, considering that Matt Holliday, a better player by WAR got the same amount after deferred compensation.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
The problem is:
You, I, many other people see the Phillies as having overvalued the market.
But the Phillies, Howard, Albert, and Lozano will say that that IS the market.
Even if you settle somewhere in the middle, its still more $ than before the deal was signed.
Basically,
Are the Cardinals willing to call Albert’s bluff?
I think that the precedent makes it much more difficult.
No.
Not if “calling Albert’s bluff” means Albert hits the open FA market. The devil they know—Albert’s asking price—is known and in the room while negotiating an extensions. If they are negotiating a FA contract, they are dealing with half-a-dozen unknown devils in the form of offers from other clubs. If St. Louis signs him, it will be to an extension.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
There will be no calling of bluffs by the club
If he hits the FA market he’s probably gone, because he thinks he can get more money on the market than what was offered as an extension. The question is whether Albert thinks that there’s a better deal than what the club offers on the market. The club needs to come through with an extension offer that is fair. That’s all they need to do. I think 7Y$180M is fair. I think 8Y$200M is fair. More than $26M AAV or more than 8 years isn’t doing the club any good.
If Albert thinks he can do better than that on the market, then he’ll have to roll those dice. If he doesn’t, he’ll sign. How risk averse is Albert Pujols? Is he willing to take less than $25M per season (while moving his family, pissing off a fanbase, etc.) to try to get $27M per season?
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Yeah, I think 26, 27-ish is about where it'll be
I think he’ll settle just short of A-Rod money, and have the 2nd richest contract in the game, and sign at the end of this year. I kinda HOPE he’ll sign for fewer than 8 years or less than $25m, but I’m not exactly confident that’ll happen.
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by Felonius_Monk on Apr 27, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I really like 7Y$180M, mid-loaded
so the big money years are after Carp and Lohse go off the books (and we hopefully have Miller and another pitcher to fill the void cheaply), and we can wind the contract down the last couple of years so that the club can supplement his (probably) declining numbers with a free agent or to lock up some of the young guys through arb.
Another thing that we aren’t factoring in here is that he club is going to have to think about locking up Rasmus for the next 5-6 years this offseason. He’s going to be a Super 2 player, so we might as well buy out his arb now and try to get a team friendly deal like they did with Wainwright.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Agreed on Rasmus
Very hard for the team to lose on those types of deals, Zobrist as the most recent example.
Hopefully it's worth A LOT (of savings).
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I really think they should've locked up Rasmus last year, like longoria
he started so slowly in his first year (and has been so awesome this year) that I’m sure we’d have saved a ton of cash.
Full disclosure – I also thought extending Ludwick was a good idea last year, which I don’t actually go along with now.
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by Felonius_Monk on Apr 27, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Thing is
Longoria wasn’t a super 2 threat, Rasmus is, so Longoria was looking at another whole season before being arb eligible. I think that probably weighed in on some of the decisions.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
if anything, that should make us MORE eager to beat the starting pistol before he starts really adding value, shouldn't it?
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by Felonius_Monk on Apr 27, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes
I wasn’t disagreeing with you necessarily, but I think waiting until after the season would be prudent for the organization.
We might lose a little leverage, but then again, even his super 2 arb raise isn’t going to be back breaking.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Yeah I guess it's kinda a win for us either way
and I’d much rather he crush the shit out of the ball right now, even if it does mean he gets paid a bit more down the line.
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by Felonius_Monk on Apr 27, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
This would be a nice problem to have.
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
The Phillies signed it because they are proudly ignorant of sabermetrics.
There’s no way to get a grasp of how a team that doesn’t use math values players. They’re still using RBIs and HRs. Basically, the Phillies are a dumb team with a good scouting department.
Think; It's not illegal yet.
Look, we sign him for $30 mil
and offer to pay $25 mil of it per year, with the rest coming from $1 donations of Cardinals fans sent in….there have to be at least 5 million fans willing to do that.
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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Apr 27, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
I think that would be morally ambiguous, in a way
Even though I want him back I’m not sure I’d be prepared to do that, in principle.
Chris Carpenter doesn't give a fuck about your fantasy team.
by Felonius_Monk on Apr 27, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Well
since you’d be sending it in pounds, not dollars, it doesn’t really matter.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Apr 27, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
as long as I'm able to classify it as a charitable donation
I’ll send $200/year
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
and the Philly front office
are the ones who thought we’d trade Albert for Howard LOL
he is a bit eccentric
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 27, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I am of the belief that both
the Cards and Albert already know roughly how much money he will be paid. This contract isn’t going to affect the dollars that Albert is going to get.
I DON'T GIVE A FUCK!
I hope you're right, but I don't think that's the case
2010 St. Louis Cardinals - Sinkers and Dingers
by jd is legend on Apr 27, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
We all know your sources are
asshats matty. Get some new ones.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
They told us Albert was signing last year,
IIRC.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
your sources work in dunkin' donuts
or at least that’s what my sources report.
Chris Carpenter doesn't give a fuck about your fantasy team.
by Felonius_Monk on Apr 28, 2010 7:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I DON'T GIVE A FUCK
2010 St. Louis Cardinals - Sinkers and Dingers
by jd is legend on Apr 27, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I would just re-iterate
That’s what Pujols said.
Pujols recognized baseball is a business.
Remember: it’s not paranoia if everyone is actually out to get you.
The Mets have Davis
and he’s their top prospect.
The Dodgers and Cubs would be the two teams that worry me the most.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
I agree with this.
I’ll be watching the Derek Lee situation closely. Hopefully the Cubs give him an ill-advised extension.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I think the Soriano contract
will prevent them from extending Lee. So in that case, it works out in their favor, lol.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Hopefully he'll hop every time he tries to dig a shit throw out of the dirt.
Chris Carpenter doesn't give a fuck about your fantasy team.
by Felonius_Monk on Apr 27, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Wow.
That is easily the funniest thing I have tried to imagine in a while.
You're the fail to my win?
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Apr 27, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
ah yeah I forgot Davis
I assume he could be up this year, given their 1B struggles.
I’m not too worried about the Cubs. I guess they’ll be losing some payroll but from what I heard their ownership were wanting to cut back anyway, and they’ve still got enough payroll on the books for 2012 that I think it’d be difficult for them to make space. It also wouldn’t surprise me if they re-up Lee for a couple more years. He’s pretty popular there, still.
Chris Carpenter doesn't give a fuck about your fantasy team.
by Felonius_Monk on Apr 27, 2010 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Davis came up last week (IIRC)
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
Don't forget the White Sox
They worry more than anyone because they could make it a package deal for Larussa and Pujols if Kenny Williams soap opera with Ozzie Guillen continues.
Look for Reins to bring Larussa back and make Pujols the closest thing Chicago has seen to Jordan.
by boilertiger on Apr 27, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
I could live with it more if he went to the AL
If he ended up in a Cubs, Mets or even a Dodgers uni I think a little part of me would die :-|….
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by Felonius_Monk on Apr 27, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't see the White Sox
giving him that much money. I just don’t. That franchise has difficulty drawing well as it is, because most of the affluent Chicagoans root for the North Siders.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
I've always wondered what "affluent" meant
now I know it’s a synonym for douchey.
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
by STLRegalia on Apr 27, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Clearly you've never been to a game at the Cell
White Sox fans aren’t as numerous, but they’re knocking on the door for Cubs-level douchiness.
They're more hard-core douchiness
Like “beating up umpires” level, whereas Cubs fans are more drunk douchiness.
White Sox Fans : Meth :: Cubs Fans : Old Style
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
So Sox fans grew up and started doing REAL drugs?
Note: Above comment may contain gratuitous amounts of sarcasm.
BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS
Hey Houston,
Suck it; you suck
I've been to the Cell more than I've been to Wrigley
I don’t think that classifies as “douchiness”. just south siders and trash
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
south siders and trash
is that two separate categories? just wondering, because the good folks of flossmoor might like to have a word with you.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
not my experience
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I went to a game there once
They were kinda like how the bleacher people at Busch used to be. Blue collar, drunk, foul-mouthed. Fun guys to hang with if you’re 20-something and without kids.
Ike Davis will not keep the Mets from having Albert Pujols, if that was their goal.
Ike Davis is a good prospect. Albert Pujols is the best player in baseball, not to mention a huge marketing opportunity.
Perhaps the Mets won’t sign Pujols, but it won’t be because someone said “Well, we have the money and could sign Pujols to what we think is a good deal, but we’re not going to do that because we have Ike Davis.”
by Willie McGee's Twin on Apr 27, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
What if Davis is a 3-4 win first baseman by the end of 2011, when Pujols is a free agent?
If they can’t move Davis to a team that needs a 1B, they’re only adding 2-3 marginal wins by signing Pujols. You think they’d do that* for $30m+? At the very least, it makes the decision more difficult, and factors into their thinking, perhaps reducing the price they’re willing to pay to, say, $20m – a price we could afford. In that way, it prices them out of the market, effectively. Additionally, they might think, in that scenario, IF they’ve got $30m to spend, they might as well add two awesome arms to their awful rotation, or get a second baseman and a starter, something like that that offers more improvement to their (very hole-filled) team.
* = assuming Minaya’s gone – obviously he’d probably sign him for $50m and then trade David Wright for a hedgehog.
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by Felonius_Monk on Apr 27, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
What if Ike Davis is better than Pujols?
Then why sign Pujols, when Ike Davis is a better player? What if Pujols gets injured in the meantime? What if, What if, etc., etc.?
Your argument depends on lots of contingencies -
If Ike Davis is a 3-4 win player
If the Mets can’t move him, much less for “value”
If they value other players, who just happen to be available at the same time Pujols is, in combination with Ike Davis (who know how good he’ll be), more than Pulols and whatever his prospective contract would be.
None of this refutes my basic point that as of Pujols’ free agency, if the Mets could sign him for what they perceived as a good deal, the presence of Ike Davis on the Mets roster is not likely going to keep the Mets out of the picture.
Yes, there are of course going to be many contingencies in this argument I too can think of contingencies
by Willie McGee's Twin on Apr 27, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
None of this refutes my basic point that as of Pujols’ free agency, if the Mets could sign him for what they perceived as a good deal, the presence of Ike Davis on the Mets roster is not likely going to keep the Mets out of the picture.
Yes, but this is very unlikely. Their financial status going forward is very much unclear, there’s a better-than-average chance that Ike Davis will be a good to very good first baseman, and thus their likely perception of a “good deal” for Pujols will be below what other teams are likely to be willing to pay.
In my opinion, it seems very much unlikely that the circumstances will dictate that the Mets can sign Pujols to what they consider an adequate deal in two years. Your opinion may differ.
Your first point was, and I quote, “Ike Davis will not keep the Mets from having Albert Pujols, if that was their goal.” I’m saying that he will, if he is reasonably good, and in the very likely scenario that a large number of teams will be willing to pay more than $20m/yr for Albert. I recognise we’re quite possibly getting into semantics and arguing at crossed purposes here, however.
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by Felonius_Monk on Apr 27, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Obviously you think Ike Davis will be so good that the Mets won't be interested in Albert Pujols.
Ok, fine. Maybe Ike Davis will be a 3-4 WAR player (BTW, that’s about the range of Ryan Howard’s 2007 and 2008 seasons, when he hit 47 and 48 HRs). That’s your opinion. Conversely, I don’t hink he’ll be quite that good.
In any event, we also disagree on the Mets’ financial situation. They are the 2nd or 3rd most valuable franchise in baseball and have the 2nd or 3rd highest revenue numbers. They have over twice the operating income as the Cards. Whatever the Cards can pay Pujols, the Mets can match.
Again, I’m not saying the Mets will sign Pujols (and, in fact, think it’s far more likely the Cards sign him before he hits FA, but at an AAV above Howard’s) – all I’m saying is that I don’t think the presence of Ike Davis will preclude the Mets’ interest.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Apr 27, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Again with the crap arguments.
Why pay Pujols $25M a year when you have a capable first baseman already that may be worth 3-4 wins? You’re telling me that money couldn’t be better spent on locking up David Wright and signing a decent pitcher or second baseman?
There’s more than one way to skin a cat. It would be really stupid of them to pay $22M for 3-4 wins at 1B when they could spend $22M to pick up 6-8 wins at other positions.
The Yankees have Mark Teixeira at 1B. Albert Pujols is better than him. So I guess they should just sign Albert Pujols because he’s better than what they have?
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Again with the crap arguments.
You really do have a problem interacting with people on the internet, though I suspect it’s not cabined to this medium.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Apr 27, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
These are just personal opinions of future outcomes...
The points you’re making aren’t “logic” or “logical.” So there is nothing to “concede” because of the force of your supposed “logic.”
Nevertheless, when your opinion of whether or why a future outcome is likely to occur matches mine, we’ll be in agreement. Or, if you bring up a point that I have not previously considered, and it alters my opinion of whether said future event will happen, then I’ll change my opinion based on what you’ve offered. (And actually, we agree on many issues, like some of your thoughts on the NBA, but I don’t generally add to the discussion if I agree with what’s being said). Until then, we’ll just be in disagreement. And in those circumstances, there’s no need to get all huffy and rude.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Apr 27, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not getting huffy and rude
But to say that having a talented, cheap first baseman won’t have any effect on signing a talented, expensive first basemen is a crap argument.
It WILL have an effect, either because they won’t consider it worth it OR they’ll consider it worth it because they could trade said talented, cheap first baseman for other talented, cheap prospects to fill out the roster after the signing. Either way, that player is going to have more of an impact than not having that player at 1B.
It’s poor logic to state otherwise. Logically, having a good player at any position is going to effect whether you sign a better player who plays the same position.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Who said the Mets management was smart
(even though I agree with your argument)? Most of us would probably say that the Phillies’ FO is more intelligent than the Mets’, yet they still signed RyHo to that deal.
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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Apr 27, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
True
But if the Phillies had Ike Davis at AAA do you think they would have gotten bent over a barrel like this for Ryan Howard?
I would guess not. Davis would have provided them leverage to move him, just like Howard provided them leverage with the fanbase to move Jim Thome.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Ok
Well, we have the money and could sign Pujols to what we think is a good deal, but we’re not going to do that because we have Ike Davis."
It will be more like:
“Well, we could sign Albert Pujols. But since we have Ike Davis, we could also lock up David Wright for the rest of his career and sign Ubaldo Jimenez for the same money that Pujols will cost. Having Davis is really nice because we could spend that money better on other areas rather than just on Pujols.”
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
yes, this.
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by Felonius_Monk on Apr 27, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Fail.
You are employing logic when talking about a team GM’d by Omar Minaya.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Apr 27, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
located in a city that wants the biggest names possible
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
This presupposes that Omar Minaya will be their GM after the 2011 season...
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Ok, that's true
I’m also employing logic when talking about an ownership group that we invested with Madoff and at one time had employed Steve Phillips.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
A whole bunch of smart people were invested in Madoff
Who doesn’t like guaranteed returns?
Not afraid to nitpick
Me, for one
Especially if I’m not questioning where the hell they’re coming from. I’m going to guess that none of the people invested with Madoff actually looked at the annual report they got, because a bunch of undergrads at Harvard did and found a lot of goofy shit on the books.
If you’re getting 40% returns from an investment, better to take it and invest it somewhere else if you can’t figure out how he’s doing it or what you own. FWIW, Buffett’s Berkshire-Hathaway stock has returned 20%+ just about every year from 1965-2009 and you can find out where every cent is invested just by looking at the annual report. Why? Nearly 95% of the funds are invested in legitimate businesses, not in phony instruments like derivatives.
Just shows how easy it is to part rich people from their money I guess.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
IF they were getting 40%
They’d have been suspicious. They weren’t.
Anyway.
No, but they were
getting 10-12% from a MONEY MARKET vehicle. Seriously. How many non-ponzi money market funds have averaged 10% return?
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
are you confusing Madoff and Stanford?
(if you are, I think you are joining several other people doing so in this thread)
And Stanford used a CD fraud scheme. I’m not aware the Madoof ever purported to be using money markets as part of his scheme.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Apr 27, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
You're thinking of Allen Stanford
who was using CD’s as a fraud scheme.
Madoff was run mostly like a private equity fund.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
long story short
the reason filthy rich people were continually giving money to Madoff is because they could tell he was crooked and they wanted in on the action. They all knew he had some sort of angle….their hubris was never once suspecting Madoff was running a fundamentally simple scam like a Ponzi scheme designed to sucker them and not somebody else.
The biggest key to Pujols staying
Is Boston being able to get Gonzalez. Hopefully, Boston will get it done as San Diego’s management is transplanted Boston management.
If Boston doesn’t get Gonzalez, Pujols very well could end up in Boston.
The usual suspects (Mets, Dodgers) are in play, but I fear them much less than a Boston that lost out on Teixiera and Gonzalez.
by olddomination on Apr 27, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah
I can’t really see who else will be in on A-Gone, though, other than Boston. The Braves, perhaps,but I’m not sure they have the payroll to extend him so he’d be a FA after 2011 again anyhow. The Dodgers, maybe, but at the moment they wouldn’t seem likely to have the cash. It just seems to be a perfect fit in Boston.
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by Felonius_Monk on Apr 27, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
The White Sox want him,
but I don’t think they have the pieces that the Padres want.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
the piece that the pads want starts with g
and ends with ordon beckham.
"...and pujols has given st louis the lead"
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that would be pretty dumb
for one-and-a-bit years of A-Gone, especially when Paul Konerko is still somewhere above average as a 1B.
Beckham put up 2.3 WAR last year, in barely 2/3 of a full season, and with a .290 BABIP. I bet he’s at least a 3-4 WAR player going forward, right now. I doubt Gonzalez is much more than a 5 WAR guy. Anyone who trades 5 years of cheap Beckham for less than two years of relatively expensive Gonzalez needs to be fired.
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by Felonius_Monk on Apr 28, 2010 7:41 AM EDT up reply actions
it wont matter who teams have
If pujols hits the open market, any team with a budget north of 100 million is gonna make an offer. You think the yankees will just pass on one of the greatest hitters of all time because they already have a 1st baseman? No way in hell, one can always play DH. Saying texas has Smoak, Davis and Hamilton is even more moronic, as Hamilton and Davis have so far shown they are 1 year wonders and Smoak hasn’t proved anything at the major league level.
Calling howards deal “not a market deal” is dumb, because it definitely sets the market for 1st basemen now. Look at the comments from adrian gonzalez’ agent already, saying that’s great news because he feels his client is more well rounded than howard (and he is) and he can expect to find a deal around that level when he hits the market.
To think pujols will take less than ryan howard is wishful thinking and I’d think after all the players who leave the place they’ve played In for so long for bigger money (think johnny damon) to think someone like pujols will just accept less than a far inferior player is silly. Not to mention saying pujols loves st louis and kids and charity and blah blah blah is a bad argument. Pujols is smart and market savvy, he knows all the right things to say and do (think Tiger Woods) but who knows what really goes on behind the scenes and what he is really like, maybe he’s dying to cash in on that 35 mil per year deal, I certainly wouldn’t put it past him and I certainly couldn’t blame him at all.
by lopey986 on Apr 27, 2010 10:07 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
This would have been a solid post...
if it weren’t for the words moronic and dumb…those were insults directed at the OP, and won’t go over well here.
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by cardzfanbub on Apr 27, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
sorry if the 12 year olds cant handle it
But its the truth.
I’m all for being a delusional cardinals fan and pujols lover, but I also recognize its a business and its pretty easy to see why I don’t believe he’s going to take less than howard when all the evidence points to him getting more.
by lopey986 on Apr 27, 2010 10:49 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't see how folks being hopeful is "moronic" and/or "dumb."
It may be misguided by emotion, but I find it understandably so. You can point out the problem with the line of thinking as being that of a fan and not a businessperson without insulting the fan’s intelligence.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
if someone cant seperate
An attack on their argument from an attack against them personally, they are far too thin skinned to be engaging in any type of argument whatsoever.
by lopey986 on Apr 27, 2010 12:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
and 12 year olds don't understand that posting demeaning language to other adults will cause them to treat you like a 12 year old.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Apr 27, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Frontload the contract?
Pay premium (@ $25M/yr gulp!) for the first 4 years, then less for the remainder (3+ yrs.) Any chance Pujols considers this option?
$25M/yr...
will be somewhere closer to the lowest annual installment, or (if we’re lucky) the AAV of his deal.
If you see a guy open the car door for his girlfriend, either the car is new or the girlfriend is.
by cardzfanbub on Apr 27, 2010 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Frontloaded contract
would cripple the team as far as payload. You’ll have to ramp it up to 30 mil and lower it down to 20 mil on the end.
Saying texas has Smoak, Davis and Hamilton is even more moronic
Calling howards deal "not a market deal" is dumb
Perhaps if you stop with the sophomoric ad hominem stuff I will consider replying to you in an adult manner.
Until then, I think it will suffice to say that you smell of pee-pee.
Chris Carpenter doesn't give a fuck about your fantasy team.
by Felonius_Monk on Apr 27, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Every so often,
you post something that makes me think, “That is so British. (Or, if you like, English.)” This is one of those comments. Ya know, because it mixes “ad hominem” with “pee-pee.”
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I thought pee-pee was kinda american
we’d say wee-wee here, I think. I sometimes intentionally try to throw in a bit of americanism here and there for y’all, just so’s you can understands me.
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by Felonius_Monk on Apr 27, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
bob's your uncle
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Apr 27, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
We appreciate it.
Especially with the way the British use verbs with team names. “St. Louis are” and the like. We tend to write “St. Louis is” and “the Cardinals are” even though we are referring to the same entity.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Yeah, that's something I don't do
refer to a group of people as “is”. To me, that just looks (to paraphrase your earlier post) “so american”.
FWIW, I like some americanisms. I think it makes more sense to drop the unnecessary “u” out of “colour” and “favour”, and things like the “o” we use in “foetal” when I think you spell it “fetal” (I use that quite a lot in my job, which is why I bring it up…)
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by Felonius_Monk on Apr 27, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Ha.
I like the “u” in “Labour,” “colour,” “favour,” etc. Even if it is, as you point out, unnecessary.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I like baron's completely unnecessary adoption of some british writing traditions
not sure why but I do.
Chris Carpenter doesn't give a fuck about your fantasy team.
by Felonius_Monk on Apr 27, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
whenever I see 'labour' I never really consider it as
a way to spell labor but the Labour party
That's a lovely accent you have. New Jersey?
England! Well, then. G’day mate! Let’s put another shrimp on the barbie!
Brenden Ryan is my hero...
by pattimagee on Apr 27, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
How do you feel about
‘aluminum’ vs. ‘aluminium’. We pronounce it differently, so we spell it differently…
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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Apr 27, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I think we had this conversation on here a while back
I also think, technically, aluminum is probably “correct” (“aluminium” was a later conversion of the word, by someone in an english science journal, I think, basically to make it sound more sciencey-and-exciting, and perhaps to fit in with some other elements in the periodic table, when in fact “aluminum” was more correct by convention).
Most people here would say that saying and spelling it “aluminum” is not only a dumb americanism but factually wrong. That speaks more of the british superiority complex than anything objective, IMO.
Chris Carpenter doesn't give a fuck about your fantasy team.
by Felonius_Monk on Apr 27, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
really?
You can’t handle your argument being called “moronic” or “dumb”? Good thing I erred on the cautious side and played nice, otherwise I suppose my mom would be getting a call from your mom.
by lopey986 on Apr 27, 2010 10:51 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That's unnecessary.
Let it go. I know you have commented here before because I remember your sweet Maverick avatar. You have a point. We need to sober up as fans and approach this as businesspeople. Perhaps your feelings make impossible the notion that maybe Pujols feels an attachment to the franchise and fans, and people might disagree with you on this point, but that does not make them dumb. Believing that Chris Davis will pan out and give the (bankrupt) Rangers pause in signing a $35MM-a-year deal (because their last record-setting FA signing worked out so well for their franchise) is not necessarily “moronic.” There are legitimate differences of opinion, but name-calling is not necessary to draw the contrast.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
just drop it and flag it
he wants to break the rules, let the mods take him.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Apr 27, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
wow this place has certainly shifted to a thin skinned approach
I’ve always followed the rules on the forums and I refrain from any type of vulgar language (if dumb and moronic are vulgar to you, I suggest you get off the internet because its only gonna get worse from that).
Its hardly my fault if someone can’t distinguish an attack on an argument from an attack on an individual (which I have never done in all my years reading this site).
by lopey986 on Apr 27, 2010 12:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I actually am on your side with this one..
You pretty clearly demarcated that the arguments were dumb and moronic, not the poster.
Now, it turns out there is a lot of evidence to suggest that you are wrong in those statements (as Felonius outlines below), but “dumb” and “moronic” should be fair game in attacking arguments as long as you expound on why, which you did.
yeah, which he compounds by treating everyone who objects as too stupid to be on the internet.
this is no longer a discussion. this is one guy trolling, and if anyone thought they were mistaken in his “tone”, they can read all of his comments since then.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Apr 27, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
As you advised me, just let it go.
There’s no sense in continuing this discussion.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
my argument is open to any and all counterpoints
I never received one (until a bit of time had passed and I was already jumped for attacking an individual). I’ve followed this blog a long time and used to post and engage in discussion and argument from time to time, but my schedule has not allowed me to do this as often as I used to be able to. I’m hardly a troll bouncing from board to board to start shit and then running away. and if you please, quote where I called anyone too stupid to be on the internet. I replied to you personally, who claimed I was breaking the rules of this board, in which I said if “dumb” and “moronic” is too harsh of language and breaks the rules of the guidelines of this website, then I’d advise you not to venture of veb, as it is only worse on pretty much every other site on the interwebs.
by lopey986 on Apr 27, 2010 12:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I feel that there should be a VEP
“you’re dumb” comment somewhere in this subhtread.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I have dropped it, and it really didn't bother me
I just wanted an excuse to say someone smelled of pee-pee.
Chris Carpenter doesn't give a fuck about your fantasy team.
by Felonius_Monk on Apr 27, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought over there, everyone smelled of elderberries....
or is it only the French?
Cardinals Baseball 2010...Catch the Infection!
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Apr 27, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Just your father
OH BURN!
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by Felonius_Monk on Apr 27, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
actually, my father was the hamster
Fetchez la vache!
Cardinals Baseball 2010...Catch the Infection!
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Apr 27, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
....
Chris Carpenter doesn't give a fuck about your fantasy team.
by Felonius_Monk on Apr 27, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
also...
this is just awesome! Is it the work of our beloved fang?
Cardinals Baseball 2010...Catch the Infection!
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Apr 27, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I can handle it
it’s just not necessary, or terribly mature (or, for that matter, likely to convince someone who holds a contradictory view that your view is the correct one).
And FWIW:
You think the yankees will just pass on one of the greatest hitters of all time because they already have a 1st baseman? No way in hell, one can always play DH.
You could easily have said, about 3 months ago, “You think the Yankees will just pass on the best left-fielder, and best free agent, in baseball, when they DON’T even have a left-fielder, and have a gaping hole in their lineup out there?” Still, Holliday ended up with us, even if he was a perfect fit for them.
Tex is being paid a ton of money to play 1B in the Bronx. In about 2-3 years, A-Rod isn’t going to be a very good third baseman anymore and is going to need to move to DH, at least some of the time. Jeter will be 37 when Pujols is a free agent. Is he really going to be playing shortstop, still? And not to mention that the Yanks’ top prospect, and one of the top 5 prospects in baseball, Jesus Montero, is a defensively-challenged catcher who has absolutely DESTROYED the ball in the minors who will end up at DH or 1B in the big leagues. There are too many people in that organisation who need to play 1B or DH. A-Rod is untradeable because of his contract, Jeter is a Yankee for life, and Tex isn’t going anywhere with that huge long-term deal. It’s possible they could deal Montero, but that STILL leaves them 3 guys who likely need to play 1B or DH in the long term who they can’t move. Pujols just doesn’t make sense to them, unless it’s for a ludicrously discounted price. By the time he gets down below $20m on the open market, someone else with somewhere to actually play him will have signed him.
Saying texas has Smoak, Davis and Hamilton is even more moronic, as Hamilton and Davis have so far shown they are 1 year wonders and Smoak hasn’t proved anything at the major league level.
Texas may have the “unproven” Smoak at 1B, but they’re not made of money any more, and it’s all well and good signing Pujols but then they have a plethora of talented 1B/DH types who they either need to move on or bench. Smoak has been absolutely eliminating pitching in the minors, and has the sort of skillset that will probably make him a star player in the majors. By the time the price got low enough for them to be interested in Pujols (even if they HAVE the resources to compete with us, even) someone else would have him, such as one of the teams that actually needs a first baseman (LAD? Maybe NYM?), or ourselves. If the price on the table is $30m+ over 8 years, they’re just not going there. The last huge contract that org gave out was A-Rod, and that worked out pretty badly for them – they’re just not that sort of organisation any more.
If Albert Pujols ends up in Yankee Stadium or Arlington I will eat my hat, and any other millinery you may be willing to provide.
Chris Carpenter doesn't give a fuck about your fantasy team.
by Felonius_Monk on Apr 27, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Millinery
Heh. It is to laugh.
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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Apr 27, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm just waiting for the day
that Felonius decides to post entirely in cockney rhyming slang, just to confuse the heck out of us.
"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols
There's a lot of bad logic flying around here the last couple of days...
Calling howards deal "not a market deal" is dumb, because it definitely sets the market for 1st basemen now.
Did A-Rod’s contract “set the market” for third baseman? Did Manny Ramirez’s 2001 deal “set the market” for corner outfielders? Better yet, did the Vernon Wells/Carlos Lee/Alfonso Soriano contracts “set the market” for outfielders? HELL NO!!!
Just because some team is stupid with their money that doesn’t “set the market” for other teams to be just as foolish. This contract may be the worst in baseball, yet you think it “sets the market” for everyone else? Do you honestly think that teams are that stupid? If this contract “sets the market”, then Albert Pujols shouldn’t sign for less than $45M per season because he is that much better than Ryan Howard. Do I see that happening? HELL NO!
It WILL matter who other teams have. It would be phenomenally stupid for a team with a 3-4 win 1st baseman and below league average players at 3 other positions to spend $25M on Albert Pujols. That $25M could be spent evenly on improving those other positions with better players and the marginal gain would be probably close to double. It would be even MORE phenomenally stupid for the same team to pay Pujols $25M to DH for them. The Yankees, for all their money, won’t pay A-Rod money for Pujols just to have him DH when they can get half that production for 1/6 the price from someone like Nick Johnson. This is not 2001, there are very few Tom Hicks’ out there right now. The market itself has shown to be much better at evaluating players, which makes the Howard contract even more phenomenally stupid in hindsight.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
heh
Did A-Rod’s contract "set the market" for third baseman? Did Manny Ramirez’s 2001 deal "set the market" for corner outfielders? Better yet, did the Vernon Wells/Carlos Lee/Alfonso Soriano contracts "set the market" for outfielders? HELL NO!!!
Just because some team is stupid with their money that doesn’t "set the market" for other teams to be just as foolish. This contract may be the worst in baseball, yet you think it "sets the market" for everyone else? Do you honestly think that teams are that stupid? If this contract "sets the market", then Albert Pujols shouldn’t sign for less than $45M per season because he is that much better than Ryan Howard. Do I see that happening? HELL NO!
Is it wrong that I pictured you saying that in front on the steps of some courthouse in front of a gaggle of reporters in the style of the Wire’s Clay Davis?
Chris Carpenter doesn't give a fuck about your fantasy team.
by Felonius_Monk on Apr 27, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
LMAO -- I did get a little preachy there
I just think everyone is panicking thinking that we’re now going to have to ante up $30M for Albert. If that’s the case, and payroll isn’t going up, then I’m ok with letting him walk.
I’m a Cardinals fan, not an Albert Pujols fan. The team comes first.
If he signs with the Cubs for $300M, I reserve the right to respect him as a player and root against him for the next 10 years.
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If he signs for the Cubs for $300m, good luck fielding a team Chicago :-)
but yeah, I agree with pretty much everything you’ve said so far, really.
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by Felonius_Monk on Apr 27, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I know
and won’t it be fun to remind him that he could be playing for a competitive team for $5M less per season every year for 10 years when he comes to St. Louis?
I’m sorry, but I really take issue with players taking a strictly money based deal and then getting pissed when they get booed by the fans they jilted along the way. It’s a business, but we pay your salary, so if we want to boo you because you made a move to enrich yourself, that’s something you’re going to have to deal with.
I would never boo Albert Pujols, but thumping the Cubs every time the come to St. Louis would be fantastic.
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unfortunately the "we pay your salary"
Thing is kind of hard to defend in st louis. They consistently bank top 5 money every year yet field a team with a 90 mil budget. I’m all for fiscal responsibility but its going to be hard to appease the fans if the org isn’t willing to bump payroll to 120 to fit in pujols and field a very competitive team around him.
by lopey986 on Apr 27, 2010 12:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm not sure that's true, is it?
I didn’t think they were anywhere close to the top 5 in terms of profit, and I thought their operating revenue wasn’t actually that much higher than what they pay out in salaries (i.e. it’s plausible for us to bump payroll for a bit, but $120m would be impossible). Where are you getting your figures?
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by Felonius_Monk on Apr 27, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
In 2009,
according to Forbes, we finished 9th in revenues at $195MM, about $50MM behind the Cubs, which were 5th at $246MM.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Yeah, that's what I thought, thanks for the info
and most teams spend about half their revenue on players, IIRC, so much more than $100m on payroll is a stretch. I’d have thought they’d have to severely hike the ticket prices to get that anywhere near $120m, and/or come up with some other revenue streams, like perhaps building some sort of shopping/hotels/commercial “village” in that big hole next to Busch stadium. But obviously that’s a crazy idea.
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by Felonius_Monk on Apr 27, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Considering how bad the commercial real estate market is right now
DeWitt and Co. might be counting their blessings that nothing is sitting there right now.
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As someone who makes a living in commercial real estate...
I 100% agree with fourstick. If that village was built when they said that it was going to be built, it would be detrimental to both the city and the ownership group.
If I had a minute for every hour I wasted I would be doing fine, I would be rich in time - Jack Johnson
I feel sorry for you, man
I have a couple of friends in the market in Des Moines (where it’s pretty stable still) and they’re struggling. I can’t believe how bad it would be elsewhere.
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thanks
it has been a tough couple of years. Family development business that has been very successful for over 38 years. As we like to say, “it is what it is.” Just keep ploughing through and seeing if we can make something happen.
People who give ownership a hard time for not completing the village just do not understand a) how difficult of a deal a mixed use development is to get done in any market and b) how much the project would be struggling and detrimental to St. Louis if it were completed. A project that is 40% full is not good for anyone. Cordish is struggling with their KC Live! project from what I understand. They also own around 70% of the retail establishments. Talk about a potential for disaster. We all would love to see a successful development down there but for that to happen it is going to need to be phased and take time with heavy pre-leases.
If I had a minute for every hour I wasted I would be doing fine, I would be rich in time - Jack Johnson
I would love to see it end up like the Power & Light
district in Kansas City. Just a bunch of restaurants and bars, but I’m not sure if that was done via a developer or just materialized out of that district due to the Sprint Center under various owners. You would probably know better than I would.
It seemed to me like the thought was to turn it into something like K.C.’s Plaza district, but considering the residential real estate near the ballpark, that was doomed to fail from the very beginning. My uncle has been a residential appraiser for the greater St. Louis area for over a decade and said that the Ball Park Village idea was terrible because they tried to induce residential housing development near the site.
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It was a developer
the same ones that were supposed to do the village, actually, before centene bailed.
Perhaps that's why they couldn't get together on it?
Two different visions of the Village?
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oh, the Power & Light District
where to start….
Imagine having Ballpark Village built (forget the residential part, just commercial) but having no MLB or NHL team.
The patrons at Power & Light seem to mostly be tourists and people coming in from the outer suburbs. None of the locals are going to the restaurants and clubs b/c there are any number of other places to go to within blocks of downtown and P&L. Cordish has also gotten a rep (fairly or unfairly) as trying to exclude black folks.
This is in part related to their weird, uneven enforcement of dress codes. For example, I went down there after they had just opened and they wouldn’t let me in the bowling alley with my Cards hat on. Who ever heard of a bowling alley with a prohibition on caps? And this is immediately accross the street from the Sprint Center! If they had an NBA or NHL team there (which haha fat chance since they lost out on the Penguins and the Supersonics), wouldn’t they want to encourage merchandising?!
(I said something less than complimentary to the doorman and went back to Westport….)
Etc. All the businesses are national chains. It’s a joke. It’s going to be empty like the St. Louis Center in five or ten years. I will say that downtown KC has seen a ton of development over the last ten years, not all of it related to P&L, and that’s undoubtedly a good thing, but I’m not real optimistic that the downtown KC boom is going to last.
I've been down there twice
Once for my bachelor party last June (which we won’t get into — needless to say, that shitty strip club next to The Cigar Box is NOT awesome), and another time since then, and it seemed like the place was pretty hopping. Now, granted, both times I was there they had big concerts at the Sprint Center on both nights of the weekend, so that may have made a huge difference.
The problem I have with the P&L, though, is the chain restaurants. These things always seem to come out better when they’re done a piece at a time by individuals than when you have developers doing them, because the developer is looking at investment vs. revenue, and chain restaurants are always going to have glowing numbers because of their familiarity. That’s part of the reason I hate the commercial shit out by the racetrack as well. You have Arthur Bryants and a bunch of chain shit that race fans recognize.
All that aside, if they can convince the Kings to relocate back to K.C., which I think is a long shot now since the Maloofs survived the worst of the Vegas crunch, I think that would greatly help out the P&L district.
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heh heh
Temptations, yeah….I was a pizza driver for a while and the strippers would call up around 2pm and order $15 worth of nachos and tip $20, plus the ahem added benefits. Bazookas is much nicer and it’s only two blocks over….
P&L is often hopping. The Convention Center (the thing with the big spires on it @ 14th & B’way) is right next to it, so any out-of-towners just hang out at the chain places w/o having to pay taxi fare to go elsewhere.
The Sprint Center needs an NHL or NBA team or I’m convinced they’ll go broke. They’re not going to make it with minor league/collegiate sports and concerts.
Yup
we ended up at Bazookas later that Friday, much better, then the Fantasy Ranch on Saturday night, which was pretty awesome.
I’m not sure they’d even make it with an NHL team. I really do think that bringing the Kings back to K.C. is the best option and they should do just about anything to make that happen. They have a history there.
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i do like P&L district
but my understanding is that there are going to be problems in the future. And you are absolutely right about all the chain restaurants. As a developer though, you have to look at what has the best chance of paying rent and covering the debt service. National credit chains are a much more attractive lease than a mom and pop no credit restaurant.
As for trying to induce residential – you are correct, that is a big problem. The cost vs the revenue does not pan out when Wash Ave has historic buildings with Historic Tax credits which you can move into for a fraction of the cost. Our company speciallizes in high end multifamily urban developments and there is no way that we would build down there.
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I guess he could be talking about "perception of the fanbase".
In which case he’s probably not wrong.
I don’t think that at all matches up with the reality though. I’m not sure the Cardinals’ revenues have ever been north of $200M in any single year.
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So you think this organization is just skimming profits?
That’s crazy. Have you looked at the Forbes report? We spend less of our revenues on payroll than the Yankees do, and they spend about $200M per season. But they bank $440M or so per season in revenue. There’s no way we’re near the top 5 in revenue every year. I’ve pointed that out elsewhere in the thread. If we’re lucky, we’re in the top 10. In 2006, the year we won the series, we were 13th in revenue if I recall correctly….and that was the first year of the new stadium, when revenues should be huge. They went up, but not as much as the rest of the top 15 teams did, and just barely enough that first year to make the debt payments on the stadium.
I would guess that moving payroll to $120M would be running the team at a loss. Investing $30M in Pujols probably doesn’t bring back and equal return, and the club could not sign Pujols and probably not lose a ton of fans. The organization historically has always taken care of their own stars, which is why guys like Musial, Gibson, Brock, and Ozzie all retired as Cardinals. I think it could go as high at $110 while still turning a profit, but to make the case that they’re robber barons on par with Charlie Comiskey is crazy — my guess is that the team hasn’t turned a profit of more than $10M since Dewitt et al bought the team.
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i just really like clay davis
"...and pujols has given st louis the lead"
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by tgreenfield on Apr 27, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
so do you just show up to be naysayer?
he is a bit eccentric
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 27, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I think if you don't realize the effect of Howard's deal on Pujols' potential deal, you're being unrealistic
by Willie McGee's Twin on Apr 27, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
It has little to no effect on what Albert will get.
He was going to get paid like a top 5 player regardless. So saying that because Howard will now make $25M a year automatically means Pujols will be paid that much really doesn’t mean a hill of beans. It’s a stupid, god-awful contract that has been ridiculed just about everywhere I read about baseball.
But I guess since Vernon Wells and Alfonso Soriano make $18M and $21M per season over the next few years that means that we should sign Ryan Ludwick to that type of deal. Since, you know, he’s been better than both of those guys the last two seasons combined and will be roughly the same age as Soriano when he hits the market.
What it does do is lock Philly into an awful contract, which means there will be one less bidder for Pujols if he decides to go to free agency.
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That's an unfair comparison
You can’t look at Ryan Ludwick now in the same light as Soriano and Wells when they signed those deals.
Do you not think that Boras brought up Manny’s deal when negotiating for Holliday? Or Bay’s? Hell, he likely brought up Soriano and Wells too, saying this is the type of money “Top tier” outfielders demand, then differentiated Holliday from those and showed why his skill set is different and why he isn’t going to turn into them.
I think it is wrong to say this deal “sets the market” as no one signing can do that, but it definitely is a data point for comparison which is wrapped up into a broader valuation methodology.
I don't disagree that his contract will come up.
What I disagree with is that this is now the bottom dollar for an Albert Pujols signing. I’m just not sure that’s true. I think there are other important factors that go into the negotiation that don’t spin down to a simple dollar amount.
As I’ve said a million times that last two days, if Albert’s goal is to make $30M per season for the next 6-8 seasons, then he better be prepared to do it in another uniform, because I don’t think the Cardinals can afford that amount and remain competitive. I’m just not sure what that uniform will be or whether the team wearing it will win anything with him making that much money.
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I think the Cards' could easily afford that. . .
the question is whether they will want to do so. The Cardinals’ franchise is probably the most profitable outside of Chicago and NYC (maybe outside of the North Side and the Bronx).
by SouthsideCardsFan on Apr 27, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
question...
don’t they still owe for the stadium?
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by Yadi2Second on Apr 27, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
If memory serves, yes. . .
but if I recall, it’s not a debilitating amount. As new stadia go, it was a relatively inexpensive one, the Cards have good credit, etc. The MLBAM money that the Cards get ($15-20M IIRC) probably covers the annual stadium debt service.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Apr 27, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Um
No. It’s not. When they get the stadium paid off, maybe, or when they get their own television station to broadcast games. But in terms of “most profitable”, they’re not close to being in the top 5 and are barely in the top 10.
- Yankees
- Mets
- Dodgers
- Red Sox
- Cubs
- Angels
- Orioles (not sure how much the Nats have hurt them, though. They used to be top 5 every year)
- Atlanta
- Philadelphia
- St. Louis
You can quibble with those if you like, but you could probably put the Giants, Astros, and Rangers ahead of them in terms of revenue and profit as well.
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I think you trust Forbes' figures too much
MLB is famous for having, shall we say, creative accounting. Does parking garage revenue get considered in those numbers? Probably not.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Apr 27, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
No more creative
than the rest of the business at large. And they can’t be too creative, because of revenue sharing agreements, which is the basis for Forbes’ numbers since that’s the only data that’s somewhat public.
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I realise the situation is very different
but the marlins have managed to stay reasonably competitive with a payroll of about $30m or something ridiculous in the last 5 years (and they’ve not had an absolute plethora of top-end draft picks like the Rays had, either).
I don’t think it’s implausible, actually, that a team could pay the best part of half its payroll to two players (Holliday and Pujols) and scrape an above-average team together with the remaining $45m or so. It’s just going to be difficult to do that if there’s ANY fat in the remaining payroll – guys like Lohse (and even Carp) would likely make it impossible, and we probably don’t have the farm system, at present, to manage it either. But I don’t think it’s impossible.
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by Felonius_Monk on Apr 27, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
We're not really discussing the "market"
for 1st basemen here; we’re discussing a “market” of one guy. It’s all up to
Albert and what he’s willing to sign for. Just to be clear, are you suggesting that AP might not insist on out-earning Ryan Howard? Please say no.
This was a stupid, stupid deal for Philly; we all agree on that. But it DOES set the floor of the Pujols market.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Apr 27, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
So paying him $25,000,001 would be more right?
It’s a little ridiculous, but it illustrates the point of how silly comparing who makes what is. I don’t compare my self worth to those around me based on how much money I make compared to them — some of the richest people I know are miserable sons of bitches!
I think he’ll get around $26M per season. Tops.
There’s more important things than money, and Albert doesn’t strike me as the type of guy who gets caught up in getting the last possible cent. That’s all I’m going to say on the matter.
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There’s more important things than money, and Albert doesn’t strike me as the type of guy who gets caught up in getting the last possible cent. That’s all I’m going to say on the matter.
I think he’s said as much himself, in fact, numerous times. I’m sure Yadi2 could enlighten us as to some of the occasions.
That said, I am in no way deluded that he’s not going to be looking for a payday, and a BIG one. His salary will be going up by a good $10m/yr, at least, but I’m just not sure that, if it’s a case of taking $27m/yr or something at the end of this season as an extension, or waiting until 2012 to take $30m+ to go and play in LA or something that he’s going to be THAT interested in doing that.
He has significant concerns in St Louis, and a young family in school here. I’m pretty sure that comes into the thinking too. He’s not going to accept a serious home-town discount, but if it’s, I dunno, 8 years $200m to play in St Louis or 8 years $220m to play in New York, I can’t help but feel that keeping his kids, one of whom has special educational requirements, in the place they’ve been growing up, and playing in a competitive team where he’s the absolute top dog, adored by fans and already part of history, will be high on his agenda.
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by Felonius_Monk on Apr 27, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
i'm trying to find this one video, FWIW
but people keep calling me on the telly-phone and I’m trying to search the Post-Dispatch, so… that’s a doomed proposition.
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dangit. it's between the end-of-October Dominican interview and... probably Winter Warm Up.
i was sure it was video, but I can’t find it in P-D’s archives.
sorry guys, I got no meat today.
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I think the G-D had audio.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I think that's what we need to be ready for.
The “hometown discount” is going to still give him a salary approaching $30MM AAV, if not $30MM itself.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Oh, I don't think he's taking a "discount"
I’m saying, define “discount”.
Keeping his family rooted in a community that he likes and playing for a great fanbase may entice him to forgo an extra $20M, like you said.
If I had to make one prediction, it’s that he will not sign the richest contract in baseball history.
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I'm not sure he could pull mid-loaded 275M anyway
Or are you talking the 27.5M AAV?
Not afraid to nitpick
I think he could probably get that if he took it to FA
But the Cardinals won’t go that high nor should they.
Not afraid to nitpick
Maybe...I'd be pessimistic about that though
Thing is, if his current deal was 2 years shorter, he might be in line for a $280M deal, but his age complicates things.
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SBN'd!
If he was willing to go 5 years, I think he could get 30M. That’d take out a lot of the uncertainty for his late-30s years, and he’d very likely continue to be the 6-9 WAR type guy to make it worth it. The Red Sox would likely love to have him for that type of deal.
Not afraid to nitpick
Agreed
He’s much more likely to get $30M if he takes a five year or less deal.
TBH, if he’s going to go short, why not take a 4Y$120M deal so that you can get another contract at age 34? You’d make an extra $20M over those first four seasons and get a chance to renegotiate in a better market. Seems like a smart business decision for a position player. Horrible idea for a pitcher, imo.
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i think this will be his last contract
and if he plans to finish his career here, why not – why just go through it all again?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I'm just saying
if he truly wanted to maximize value, a 4Y deal might be the best way to go.
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true
not gonna happen from either side, but could you imagine if he took a 3 yr deal for 90 and then this had to be revisited when he’s even a year younger than on the hypothetical 4-year deal – that would be painful for the cards. that’s why i say the longer the deal the better.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I would give him 5/150, definitely
and expect to get some surplus value from that. Taking inflation into account that’s paying him to be a 5-6 WAR player, and I think it’s a fair bet he’ll be worth that by that age.
That also has Albert and Holliday’s deals finishing at the same time, which could be an interesting year for the front office…
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by Felonius_Monk on Apr 28, 2010 7:47 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't think the Cardinals will try to negotiate with Pujols, nor the other way around
Everybody knows how much he’s worth and I can’t see Pujols or the Cardinals trying to squeeze out an extra 2-3 million a year just for ego purposes.
Pujols has been a Cardinal for life. He get’s along great with Tony and the rest of the team. The management has shown a comittment to winning by raising payroll and signing Holliday. The team is playing well and will be in contention in the near and later future.
The Cardinals are going to approach Pujols and tell him exactly how much they can afford to pay him while still keeping the teams payroll situation flexible enough to stay in contention. And I see no reason why he would turn down a 20-25 million dollar a year deal just because some other guy makes more than that.
by vivaelpujols on Apr 27, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
If you think Howard's deal will have "little to no effect" on what Albert will get...
I don’t think you have a very good understanding of how these multimillion dollare contracts get negotiated and what factors are considered in agreeing to terms. You can go back to our discussion about Lincecum’s contract negotiations for further evidence of this.
In any event, we’ll only decide this when we see what happens in the Pujols negotiation and ultimately, what the terms are for his agreement (whether with the Cards or another team).
by Willie McGee's Twin on Apr 27, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Really?
I don’t think you have a very good understanding of how these multimillion dollare contracts get negotiated and what factors are considered in agreeing to terms. You can go back to our discussion about Lincecum’s contract negotiations for further evidence of this.
You’re using THAT AS AN ARGUMENT? I essentially took the position you’re taking here during that debate. You took the other side. Now you’re using that to try and make me look stupid? I was wrong on that debate, I’ll admit, but that’s why I’m taking a different point here.
Wow. What a complex mess of balls and lack of comprehension that is.
To be honest, making other people feel stupid and commenting that they “don’t understand” something that you don’t fucking understand either is a really bad way to try and win a debate. Better to just STFU and admit that neither of us really “knows” what will happen, we can only speculate.
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No, I'm not using it as an "ARGUMENT"...
I’m using it as the reason why we’re not going to agree on the effect of Howard’s deal on the market for Pujols’ services.
And my last point in the above post was exactly what you claim it was not – a recogniton that neither of us knows whether and how Howard’s contract effect Pujols’ until Pujols signs his deal (and even then, we’ll likely have a limited understanding of the effect).
by Willie McGee's Twin on Apr 27, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
You're right, we're not
Here’s how I see it:
WMT: Money is the most important thing.
Fourstick: Money is important, but there are other factors at play that will decide what he will ultimately sign for.
Am I wrong?
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Albert has said repeatedly that wants to play for an organization that is commited to winning.
You're the fail to my win?
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Apr 27, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I think if you re-read my posts...
that I have not said that “money is the most important thing.” I think I’ve been pretty consistent in arguing that Howard’s contract, regardless of whether it should be , is now an important and influential comp for Pujols that affects the “market” for his services. I also think it will have an upward effect on Pujols’ future salaries.
In contrast, you’ve argued that you think Howard’s deal will have “little to no effect” on Pujols’ contract, and that it should not have an effect, because it is wildly inconsistent with what sabermetrics broadly assesses as Howard’s real value as a player.
I obviously disagree with your first premise. Regarding the second, I agree that Howard’s contract comparatively overvalues his services according to these statistics (putting aside any monetary value a player may have to its team on ticket or merchandise sales, or other metrics), but until the actual market for players’ services is more closely correlated to WAR values, the second point, while interesting, is fairly irrelevant to the exercise of determining Pujols’ expected contract value.
In sum, because of Howard’s contract, I think there’s now no way Pujols signs for less than $25MM AAV (unless the number of years is ridiculously different). Moreover, I don’t think Pujols is likely to give a true “discount” because I don’t think Pujols makes it to free agency, and we’ll never know the other offers. In the end, and having run no numbers to support this guess, I’d say Pujols signs for 7/$185MM. I reserve the right to later complain that this is not a good deal for the Cards.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Apr 27, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I see
In contrast, you’ve argued that you think Howard’s deal will have "little to no effect" on Pujols’ contract, and that it should not have an effect, because it is wildly inconsistent with what sabermetrics broadly assesses as Howard’s real value as a player.
It won’t, because he was going to make $25M+ anyway.
It won’t, because the Teixeira deal is actually a better comparison to Albert Pujols in terms of talent.
It won’t, because it’s pretty clear that the Philly deal is a lot of money for a non-elite offensive talent.
My second point is that Howard was overpaid, by any statistical measure available, not just by WAR, and that fact will be taken into consideration when other teams are using that as a reference for their own players.
You seem to be saying that Pujols might have taken $22M AAV before the Howard contract but now that Howard is making $25M AAV he’s going to get that. My point is that he was going to get that anyway, and that he wasn’t probably going to get much more, and that he’ll end up getting about the same amount as he was getting before.
Your 7Y/$185M is pretty similar to my 7Y$180M. I think this is the best possible deal all around, and if it includes an option year of $18M with a $5M buyout, that’s fine.
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Right, I think it's ludicrous to think that any market needed to be set for Pujols
The market, however, is now set for Adrian Gonzolez and Prince Fielder.
by vivaelpujols on Apr 28, 2010 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions
The other thing about the Howard deal that no-one's mentioned
is that it’s been done at the start of 2010. If Albert makes it all the way to free-agency, he’ll be looking at deals in 2012, most likely. Even if he’s re-signed at the end of this year, it’ll still be one year after the Howard deal. Teixeira signed a year ago and no-one is now saying that his deal “sets the market” for Pujols (or indeed, for someone like Fielder or Gonzalez, who might be better comps – heh, and I wrote this before reading VEP’s comment below, which seemed to have exactly the same idea).
We’re concerned about the Howard deal because it’s freshest in our minds. It’ll be somewhat more distant for all concerned parties when albert’s re-upping, and I’d think (as you said) the Tex deal might be a better (or at least, just as important) start point for Pujols, as he’s a far more similar player than Howard.
I just don’t see how this significantly bumps up albert’s price – like you said, anyone who thought he was likely to sign long-term for less than $25m was fairly deluded anyway (I admit I fell into this category pre-Holliday; I was hoping we’d sign him this year and re-align his 2010 and 2011 salaries so we paid him for another 10 years at $200m).
Chris Carpenter doesn't give a fuck about your fantasy team.
by Felonius_Monk on Apr 28, 2010 7:52 AM EDT up reply actions
nobody said the textira deal wasn't also important
people are talking about the Howard deal because it just happened. no one said the texeira deal wasn’t also an important data point.
and, moreover, the howard deal and the texeira deal track each other in compensation aspects so, with respect to pujols, the differences in effect are few. (there are some si.com artciles that have looked at this recently)
you’re also misunderstanding “setting” the market – Howard’s deal doesn’t “set” the market for Pujols as if Pujols can’t deviate from it. Who has said that? If anything the only thing it “sets” is an absolute floor. More likely, it resets the frame for negotiation upward.
Your last point is typical hindsight. Many folks on this website were hoping for a deal less than 25AAV (especially all the “hometown discount”/“Albert loves kids” people). With the Howard deal, that’s a pipedream. The more I think about it, the more I think Albert’s deal is going to be 8yrs/216MM or something like that.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Apr 28, 2010 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Unless you've read the conversation we're talking about
Probably best you stay out of this one. WMT and I can get a little heated over some of this stuff.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
i don't see there being a discount
i imagine he will push for either the largest contract, the largest AAV or both
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
I know it sounds naive, but
I think your comment represents a larger sentiment among StL fans. This is something that seems different about Pujols. He likes kids, he respects the Cards tradition with all the Musial mugging, he does all this charity work, he’s always “team first,” he never gets in trouble… he won’t want to drain DeWitt’s bank account… right? He LOVES us!
I’m not trying to be jaded and cynical, and I do admit to having a touch of the aforementioned innocence, but I guess what I’m saying is that I just don’t know what to expect about what Albert’s asking price will be, except that it will be a lot. Also keep in mind that there will be one more off season before he either re-signs or moves on. I don’t expect his price tag will go down as a result of what happens next winter.
Honestly, if I had a guess, and this IS a guess in the most genuine sense of the word, I’d still guess he’d look for $25mil per.
They say sing while you slave but I just get bored
by Scarecrow7775 on Apr 27, 2010 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions
$25mil per year would be worth it
I wouldn’t want to go far north of that, but that would make him the 2nd best paid player in baseball, I believe. $10m bump in payroll and we can afford that reasonably comfortably.
Chris Carpenter doesn't give a fuck about your fantasy team.
by Felonius_Monk on Apr 27, 2010 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions
I think anyone not expecting at least...
$25M/year is gonna be surprised. Like you, I think it’ll be less than $30M/year…somewhere between $25-$28M/yr.
If you see a guy open the car door for his girlfriend, either the car is new or the girlfriend is.
by cardzfanbub on Apr 27, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
sounds about right to me
I don’t think he’ll sign a “hometown discount” in the sense that he’ll take some blatant pay cut to play here, but yes – I think he’ll sign an extension here for less than what he could get on the FA market.
Sorry, but to me this all seems like a lot of bother and angst over nothing....
…Pujols and the Cards will work something out; we want him, he wants to stay. If all he cared about was money he’d be a drug dealer. He’s not. He will want to make his family comfortable and get paid, but I seriously doubt he would want it so much that he would either price himself out of the team or cripple the team so it can’t win. That is not the Albert Pujols we have seen over the last 9+ years.
So relax, it will all work out.
I just wonder, cow do we get Carp back?
:=8/
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
Drug dealing isnt quite that lucrative really. The risk / reward is not the side of the dealer.
Especially long term. With swiss banks giving up names and account info now..i mean where can a thug hide his money
we've got Carp for one more year
and a (pricey) team option in 2012. I doubt we want him after that, he’ll be getting a bit long in the tooth.
Chris Carpenter doesn't give a fuck about your fantasy team.
by Felonius_Monk on Apr 27, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Denial
Not just a river in Africa!
2010 St. Louis Cardinals - Sinkers and Dingers
by jd is legend on Apr 27, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
This thread is pretty huge and epic
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Wow, seriously.
I hadn’t even noticed till now…this is, like, a 250 comment subthread.
"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols
That does make it weird.
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
The Phillies seem like they are in this weird post-World Series hangover
of signing a bunch of guys for way too much money. In the not to distant future, this is going to catch up with them when all these players get old at the same time. See Astros, Angels.
Think; It's not illegal yet.
you think utley is kicking himself for signing a 7-year deal
i feel like he could get more than his 15Mil per if he were negotiation with the phils right now
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
he also might want away from them in 4 years
when they begin to resemble the 2010 Chicago Cubs.
Chris Carpenter doesn't give a fuck about your fantasy team.
by Felonius_Monk on Apr 27, 2010 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions
In my opinion,
Utley is a superior player and value than Howard. I bet Utley is kicking himself. Slugging first basemen who don’t walk and cannot hit lefthanded pitching to save their lives are much more difficult to find than slugging second basemen who walk a lot and also happen to be slick-fielding.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
but see, no one knows who Chase Utley is.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
My second sentence was sarcasm by the way.
I should have used caps or italics.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
No. Third one. Whoops.
The one about first basemen being MUCH MORE DIFFICULT to find.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Sad...
but true. Perhaps the best NL player of the last 6-8 years not named Albert or Barroid, and I can guaruntee my wife has NO idea who he is.
If you see a guy open the car door for his girlfriend, either the car is new or the girlfriend is.
by cardzfanbub on Apr 27, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Where do you slot
Hanley, then?
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Apr 27, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
SS
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
I'd say it's pretty close between the two...
.294/.381/.524 or .315/.387/.527 for their careers to date. Utley’s done it 2 years longer. Ramirez puts up more impressive stolen base totals, but at a 77% success rate…utley steals 15+/year at 88%. The most surprising thing to me is that 2003 was Utley’s rookie year at 24 years old, and he’s already 32.
If you see a guy open the car door for his girlfriend, either the car is new or the girlfriend is.
by cardzfanbub on Apr 27, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Utley
won’t be 32 until December.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Apr 27, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
But, man
23 for 23 last year in SBs. Was not aware of that.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Apr 27, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
oops...
math fail.
If you see a guy open the car door for his girlfriend, either the car is new or the girlfriend is.
by cardzfanbub on Apr 27, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
still surprised he's that old...
he definitely has that veterany presence, just hasn’t been around long enough to be that old in my mind.
If you see a guy open the car door for his girlfriend, either the car is new or the girlfriend is.
by cardzfanbub on Apr 27, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
But remember in 2006
Howard did it “alone.”
/MVP’ed
/bitterstill
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
I think they both suck.
Chris Carpenter doesn't give a fuck about your fantasy team.
by Felonius_Monk on Apr 27, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
that is just the assertion that your mom answered in the affirmative last night
at least with her actions, anyway.
Chris Carpenter doesn't give a fuck about your fantasy team.
by Felonius_Monk on Apr 27, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Shouldn't you be classifying some Brad Penny pitches somewhere?
Chris Carpenter doesn't give a fuck about your fantasy team.
by Felonius_Monk on Apr 28, 2010 7:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Better to have a post-World Championship hangover
Than to have a pre-World Championship hangover and fuck up your franchise for the next 8 years. And, yes, I’m talking about the Cubs.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
by fourstick on Apr 27, 2010 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
+1
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Apr 27, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
The cubs are still in their post-world series hangover.
by ADMDrayson on Apr 27, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I can get behind that.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Apr 27, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
wow. wiki:
The attendance during 1908 Game 5 (6,210) was the smallest World Series crowd in history.
to be fair, attendance at the West Side Grounds was better.
17,760
14,543
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Apr 27, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
whoa. that link to 1908 should not be there.
/sbn’d
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Apr 27, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
mlb.tv question
I have subscribed for parts of 4 years and last night fired it up for the first time this season. (I’ve been busy) Anyway, why is it making my processor crank at 60% this season? Anyone see that happening? I browsed through mlb’s ‘help’ but it wasn’t very help-ful.
Hey Ump!
lowering the video quality
usually helps.
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on Apr 27, 2010 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions
i had trouble this season, too, for the first time ever.
i cleaned out my computer, removed programs, defragmented disks, etc. that helped a little bit.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
Yeah
I kind of did the same but my PC is already a bare-boned, steroid-fueled monster. I figured it must have something to do with codecs, video drivers and such. I need to investigate more.
Hey Ump!
how much RAM do you have?
I have 2GB on one computer and 3GB on my work computer. needless to say, mlb.tv works a lot better on my work computer. but my home computer does pretty good after i cleaned it out.
if you figure anything else out, please let me know. its frustrating when the service isn’t smooth.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
It's 3GB
The picture itself ended up playing fine and really looked good. I have the mid-tier 4MB cable connection and that didn’t seem to lag at all. But when looking at the processes it had IE using 60% with the fans all kicking into high gear.
Hey Ump!
try using something that's not IE
"The outfield is deep and playing him straight-away, and the infield is the same, except first, second, third, and short are playing him to pull."
-Mike Shannon
by tehzachatak on Apr 27, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah never thought of that
Actually it seemed worse in the past with Firefox. I didn’t try it last night because with mlb constantly changing their code I didn’t even know if it would work. For instance, here I use Firefox 3.6.3 but mlb highlights won’t play. I thought maybe it was adblock but turning that off didn’t help.
Bottom line, mlb media pisses me off.
Hey Ump!
It's been putting my computer into overdrive too
My processor/RAM can handle it till my laptop starts overheating and it starts to get choppy. I have to sit it on a bag of icewater to watch high quality for more than 1/2 an hour.
Luckily I have a PS3 so I can watch it on that now.
Not afraid to nitpick
How is that?
I’m thinking of purchasing a PS3 for primarily that reason, with the added benefit of getting back into games.
Any good game recs? Would want something with death, explosions, and online multiplayer.
I just said that like a grumpy old person. I really have no idea about PS3 and what I should be doing with it.
They came out with an MLB.tv app for PS3
And it’s pretty money.
I’ve pretty much only played the NHL series and Fight Night on PS3 the past few years so I’m probably a bad source on games. I’m a victim of being crazy good at those games because it’s hard to switch over and be mediocre at other stuff.
Not afraid to nitpick
bad company 2, mw2, god of war iii, are all good choices for blood n guts
sports games: always partial to tw10, fifa10, and ’hl10.
"...and pujols has given st louis the lead"
The Best Defensive Play I Have Seen in Person
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I haven't been able to get it to work AT ALL yet this year on my new netbook
seemed to be working OK on my gf’s desktop. It just seems really buggy, even more so than usual. So, sorry, I don’t know the answer.
Someone has suggested turning off the nexdef software (if you’re not running in HD) through the task manager. I think that’s probably a good starting point, if you haven’t already (I think sometimes it auto-runs it even if you’re just using basic), and there are guides online and at the mlb site to how to do that.
Chris Carpenter doesn't give a fuck about your fantasy team.
by Felonius_Monk on Apr 27, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
oh yes, i did this too. i removed nexdef completely. i don't notice any difference in video quality.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
nexdef
I had seen mention of this here prior so I did look for that and didn’t see anything. The cpu usage was all related to the iexplore process (IE). What was really annoying was during commercial breaks it would actually jump higher despite there being no video or audio.
Hey Ump!
There isn't a difference in video quality this year with the HD option.
You just have the DVR controls. Which I never use anyway so I just completely got rid of it too.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
Phillies-related
Who foresaw the Giants handing Halladay his first loss?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
uh..... Cardinals?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
do we play the Jaws theme now?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Every time Albert bats....absolutely.
Note: Above comment may contain gratuitous amounts of sarcasm.
BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS
Hey Houston,
Suck it; you suck
So what was the consensus
last night in regards to Craig being sent down for Jay? I don’t really want to wade through nearly 3,000 comments, call me lazy.
Most folks felt for Craig because of his bad luck.
Basically, he has a 30% LD rate and .058 BA, which does not compute at all. Add to that anecdotal evidence of all of Craig’s XBHs going foul (including a shot into Bonds McCovey Cove off Lincecum) and more sympathy was felt. Then everyone realized that this seems to make Stav the No. 1 righthanded pinch-hitting option for TLR, and there was much wailing and gnashing of teeth.
That said, folks understand the need for a LHB on the bench and Jay is OPSing over 1.000 for Memphis. He is a plus-plus defensive outfielder who can also steal bases. To add some anecdotal evidence of my own, I watched Jay a couple of weeks ago when Memphis visited Iowa and he looked like a different player from last year in a way similar to Razza looking like a different player from last year. Jay looks more confident and is more patient. His power was also impressive. I’m excited that the Chief Justice is a Cardinal, even after his PHing debut was a flop.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I don't like the move
I’d have rather sent Stavinoha down. if he’s out of options, DFA him. Seriously, who’s claiming his ass? Who?
Craig needs to be at the big league level. So does Jay.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
There's really no need for Stavinoha.
He cannot play a defensive position acceptably.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
(Aaron Miles)*(2.0)
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
is that a visual representation of jack clark laughing?
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
by tom s. on Apr 27, 2010 11:37 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
so now we've signed grit again
do we call them “big miles” and “little miles”?
If Grit gets a shoe deal with Nike, will his sneakers be the new “Air Miles”? I demand to know the answers to these questions!!!
Chris Carpenter doesn't give a fuck about your fantasy team.
by Felonius_Monk on Apr 28, 2010 7:54 AM EDT up reply actions
or hit, or run
and he doesn’t even have a nice ass or something.
by vivaelpujols on Apr 27, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
ah, but you haven't seen his penis.
It’s most impressive.
Chris Carpenter doesn't give a fuck about your fantasy team.
by Felonius_Monk on Apr 27, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
that was his knee
……..wait.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
x2
although I suspect that may happen after Craig gets a few weeks of PT at AAA, hopefully at 3B.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Apr 27, 2010 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Stav shoud never be on a major league team ever
by vivaelpujols on Apr 27, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
But he's currently on the team with the best record in the NL!
They obviously know what they’re doing! He’d probably start for the Pirates!
2010 St. Louis Cardinals - Sinkers and Dingers
by jd is legend on Apr 27, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
isn't this the thinking we're hoping occurs...somewhere, in some long-lost organization?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
ehh i don't know about that.
milledge, mccutcheon, and jones are all better than stav
"...and pujols has given st louis the lead"
The Best Defensive Play I Have Seen in Person
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Can't be too sure...
it is the Pirates.
They might trade one or two of those three to Boston just to make room.
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Brandon Moss probably is as well.
Chris Carpenter doesn't give a fuck about your fantasy team.
by Felonius_Monk on Apr 28, 2010 7:54 AM EDT up reply actions
it would be an interesting post topic, since Stav gets so much discussion around here, o look at the other "25th men" on major league rosters
and compare Stav’s value. Is he the worst? Is he in the middle? I would envision just comparing him to whatever the last position player is on other rosters (i.e., not the last bullpen arm or the backup catcher)
by Willie McGee's Twin on Apr 27, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
that'd be cool
hopefully we could come away saying to at least one team, “haha, our stav is better than your stav!” i mean, you’re only as strong as your weakest link, right?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I think he is the worst player in baseball right now
by vivaelpujols on Apr 27, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Yuniesky Betancourt?
"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols
doesn't qualify unless he is the 25th man
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
nope, he has some value because of his position
And he has actually had major league success in the past. And he is younger than Stav.
by vivaelpujols on Apr 27, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Check out there career stats and come back to me
by vivaelpujols on Apr 27, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
this supports what WMT proposed
this would be an interesting front-page post, and needn’t be that in-depth on each of the 30 players – just a cursory glimpse would be both informative and provide plenty of fodder for discussion.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
i take that as a no?
hey, if it’s any consolation, personally i prefer posts such as penny pitch f/x.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
unfortunately for us
I don’t believe the Cardinals consider him their 25th man. They just sent down Craig over him and I think the only reason they have Mather on the team right now is his ability to play the corner infield slots. I am not sure what this organizations love affair with Stav is.
If I had a minute for every hour I wasted I would be doing fine, I would be rich in time - Jack Johnson
mather plays cf
and i think you are misreading the org’s love affair with stav
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
so do Ludwick and Jay
If I had a minute for every hour I wasted I would be doing fine, I would be rich in time - Jack Johnson
jay is a lefty and so no good to spell colby occasionally against lefties
ludwick did one game this year, yes, but if he plays center against a lefty, then who plays right? it was craig that night, but it obviously won’t be jay.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
As much as it hurts to lose Craig to Memphis
It sure softens the blow to get Jon Jay. One of my favorite prospects the last couple years. I am really looking forward to seeing what he can do.
by FlimtotheFlam on Apr 27, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Jay has different skillsets and should be up
but his first PA last night was painful. He looked like a LH Stav. 3 whiffs, nothing but air. I am chaulking it to rookie nervousness. I hope he relaxes a bit. I am interested in knowing his perspective on legal standing of parents whose children have been injured by vaccines.
born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red
by totalloser on Apr 27, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
judging by the time in which he served as Chief Justice. . .
he would almost certainly have dismissed for the lack of a federal question.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Apr 27, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe he'll place Southwest Airlines in contempt of court
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
such blasphemies
How dost thou dare speak evil of SWA? The airline that revolutionized the airline industry and made the full service airlines compete with the low cost carriers. The air carrier that saved Lambert after TWA/United shut down the hub an is continuing to reduce flights out of STL. And remember, “bags fly free”.
born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red
they can plead weather
Jay and Greene’s Southwest flight from Oklahoma City arrived at 7:03 p.m…..they are en route to the ballpark now. about 19 hours ago via web
they were due at six acc to FSM
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
That's why I luv SWA so much
they’re such egalitarians. It doesn’t matter if they are transporting baseball players or plain joes like me. We all get equally delayed.
born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red
i might have shed a tear
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
there's Jon Jay talking about it
they got the call around 1pm, okay I was wrong – 6pm flight, 7pm arrival, got to the ballpark around 8pm.
Jon Jay barely had time to get a uni on.
i’m sorry, southwest!!!
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
i didn't get a chance to express my opinion
i think it’s probably best that he gets at bats while the non-prospects ride the bench on a team where all the starting roles are filled. if luddy or holliday hit the dl, craig comes up and starts
i like to think this is the FO’s rationale
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
yeah, and I think it's fair enough
we’re also not letting him rack up service time warming the bench. Not a bad strategy in the very likely event we’re wanting to trade him at some point.
Chris Carpenter doesn't give a fuck about your fantasy team.
by Felonius_Monk on Apr 28, 2010 7:56 AM EDT up reply actions
I think the Howard deal is a good starting point for negotiations with Albert, and a contract that mirrors it would be both fair and reasonable.
I don't think even in my wildest dreams that albert will sign for only 5 years.
Chris Carpenter doesn't give a fuck about your fantasy team.
by Felonius_Monk on Apr 27, 2010 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Did Lohse save face a bit by finishing strong?
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
I feel Lohse hate goes to his awful contract
He’s pretty good as a #4 or 5. He wasn’t hit hard last night. Bloop single here, an infield single there. He only gave up 1 2B.
born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red
But it appeared to me he had to battle his ass off to keep the game close.
Watching him made me ice my own arm down.
I agree, I consider him a 5th guy, 4th at best, and can live with 6IP/3ER. But damn, I hate that contract.
by Tom_Lawless_Bat_Flip on Apr 27, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
He he, I thought you were talking to me
when I realized that you were commenting on your own liberal use of the comma. I guess that’s what I get for having loser in my handle. At least your punctuation violations are not as severe as WCBW.
born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red
he also got some really bad calls.
or didn’t get them, i guess.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
technically they could have gone either way
i’d have no problem with them going against him except that hudson seemed to get those same pitches called for strikes. does anyone know the name of the ump who called the ball foul in LA, the one that disappeared as if it never happened?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Warning track flyouts = strong?
2010 St. Louis Cardinals - Sinkers and Dingers
by jd is legend on Apr 27, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
on the bright side
I was impressed by Matt Holliday?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
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by Yadi2Second on Apr 27, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Flyball to center...
but shallow still.
If you see a guy open the car door for his girlfriend, either the car is new or the girlfriend is.
by cardzfanbub on Apr 27, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
WTP is usually an out
and for every WTP, there is a texas leaguer
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
SSS be damned
I’m enjoying Colby having an OPS (awps if Jon Miller is reading this) of 1.199…Albert who? (1.065)
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
clearly, we need to rengotiate with albert now!
“Well, seeing as you’re the second-best player on the team . . .”
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by tom s. on Apr 27, 2010 11:40 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
$.02
I personaly think, this makes it very easy for pujols, to ask for a-rod money. I also think he’d’be worth every penny of it, as long as it isnt say a 7 year deal. He’ll almost for sure take defered monet for 0 or very little intrest. No matter how you slice al is going to get paid big, and have zero problem with it. He is easily the best player of his generation, and in the conversation of one of the best ever and would u want to be the one who said “no, i do not think he’s worth 30 mil.” The payroll will go up it has to, and i think as long as al is here the team can afford it.
Also, the money to howard is fuckin bat shit crazy, some one above put it the best when they said 2010 cubs. 3 years from now this will be talked with the all time bad deals. I read the hardball talk blog this morning, and they had up reactions, jayson stark described howard as his generations babe ruth, i throw up a little in my mouth. In honesty is howard is babe ruth
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by elirock83 on Apr 27, 2010 9:57 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
typin on black berry
Ran out of room
In honesty if howard is babe ruth, what does that make pujols?
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by elirock83 on Apr 27, 2010 9:59 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
gawd
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
Stark should be fired, if he wrote that ill-informed hyperbole.
His job is to analyze Major League Baseball. Not even Joe Morgan would make such a silly statement.
Babe Ruth career OPS+: 207
Ryan Howard career OPS+: 141
It’s like they are the same player, just in different generations!
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I'm mildy surprised
just because Stark didn’t compare him with another black man. We should be impressed an ESPN journalist got beyond a racial comparison.
“He’s the Hank Aaron of this generation”.
Hey Ump!
That's Jason Heyward,
for whom they have also co-opted another all-time great African-American player’s nickname. I cannot stand it when folks do stuff like that. It’s Willie Mays! Willie Mays!!!!! 20 years of greatness!!! Speed, power, hit for average, stupendous defense!!! Willie Mays!!! Jason Heyward, who seems like a nice guy and is fun to watch, is not Willie Mays. I’m excited to see Heyward develop, but he is not Willie Mays. Willie Mays was singularly great the way that Stan Musial was singularly great.
Can Talking Chop get on giving Heyward a new nickname that is his very own? We know that the Mainstream Media is too lazy to do so, which makes it seem like the duty of the fans.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
what are they calling him?
I actually think “The J-Hey Kid” or something would be quite cool, which I imagine is what you’re not keen on?
Nickname co-opting isn’t a new thing; see “The Giambino”, “The Mang”, “Pudge” (and that one’s just a straight copy), “Boog” etc.
Chris Carpenter doesn't give a fuck about your fantasy team.
by Felonius_Monk on Apr 27, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
It is "The J-Hey Kid" that I'm not keen on.
I was not at all a fan of “The Giambino,” “Pudge,” “El Hombre” (thank goodness Pujols himself killed it), or “The Mang.” I guess I view “Boog” for Ryan as something more comical than it was with Boog Powell, so I have differentiated it in my mind. Which is odd.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Brendan was apparently a large infant.
didn’t quite live up that, but the nickname stuck.
his clubhouse nicknames are terrible, by the way.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Apr 27, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
in other words, you can't dispute mom and dad.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Apr 27, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Well said.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
personally, it's a little bit poignant
his father never lived to see his first Major League at-bat. so I use it in that sense: a family nickname.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Apr 27, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
he's surprisingly tall, isn't he?
we always (well, I do anyway) think of him as the little guy, but isn’t he about 6 foot 3 and the 3rd tallest position player, or something like that?
Chris Carpenter doesn't give a fuck about your fantasy team.
by Felonius_Monk on Apr 27, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
6'2"
I actually made the correct guess on Opening Day at the bar as to Ryan’s height. And, you’re right, people were surprised to hear that he was that tall.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
he keeps standing next to Joe and Colby
he needs to start standing next to Skip
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
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by Yadi2Second on Apr 27, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Colby is also 6'2"
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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Apr 27, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Colby has better posture.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
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by Yadi2Second on Apr 27, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
that's how bad Boog's posture is.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
his posture is terrible.
I trust him to bounce a book on his head, but not balance one.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Apr 27, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
oh, and Kruk was impressed by how huge he is.
the note of pleased surprise that he’s actually a “big guy”. hahaha.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
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by Yadi2Second on Apr 27, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
"Ryno is one,
which is, of course Ryne Sandberg’s nickname.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
bad uncreative.
and really, a cubs player’s nickname?
almost all the clubhouse nicknames are lame. I support their right to be cheesy, but I don’t have to repeat it.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Apr 27, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
At this point do you still have a problem...
with El Homber or The Mang (other than AP’s own request to cease)? Pujols is certainly “sigularly great”.
If you see a guy open the car door for his girlfriend, either the car is new or the girlfriend is.
by cardzfanbub on Apr 27, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I have a problem with using a nickname that the player himself objects to.
others have disagreed, but the reasons Albert gives are not personal. he’s offended on behalf of baseball as an institution. if what makes Albert “singularly great” is that he doesn’t put himself above the game itself, I don’t think it’ll kill anybody to grant him this one request.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Apr 27, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed.
If his rationale were “It sounds stupid, I don’t like it, stop calling me that,” well, first I’d be miffed, and then I’d keep on calling him that. But when his rationale is “That’s Stan Musial’s nickname, there was only one Stan Musial, and I don’t want people infringing on that,” that’s another kettle of fish entirely.
"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols
I fully agree..
thus “(other than AP’s own request to cease)”.
If you see a guy open the car door for his girlfriend, either the car is new or the girlfriend is.
by cardzfanbub on Apr 27, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
aesthetically it's not that original. it kind of wraps him up in his Hispanic heritage, which is borderline weird.
not that Albert isn’t proud of being from the Dominican, but that doesn’t have much to do with this baseball identity. (not to mention, he’s lived in the Midwest as long as he lived in the D.R. now.)
the real trouble is that Albert Pujols … [whisper] doesn’t have a great baseball name. not even a good baseball nickname. nothing that’s been catchy in the last ten years, at least.
I mean, the guy himself jokes that he wouldn’t mind being called Winnie the Pu and seriously, we’ve been thinking on this that long and he has to cite Berman?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
(wait, my math is wrong. but it's not long from now.)
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Sigh...if only HIS name were Stubby Clapp...
"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols
He is absolutely singularly great,
so why give him a derivative nickname?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
This is why I just call him Albert.
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
we could call him... Just Albert ?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
i'm ust alpert okay, not a maching
"...and pujols has given st louis the lead"
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Because those that are singularly great have them...
the Bambino, the Man, the Say-hey kid…Perhaps he should have a nickname that is singularly great instead of a copycat of Musial?
If you see a guy open the car door for his girlfriend, either the car is new or the girlfriend is.
Personally,
I always wondered why “The Maching” never caught on.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
FESPN ruined it, probably.
years of typing “Mang” has made it harder, too.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Stark always has
and always will fellate the Phillies. You just can’t trust anything you read from him about the Phillies.
I DON'T GIVE A FUCK!
I also think he’d’be worth every penny of it, as long as it isnt say a 7 year deal.
Sorry to burst the bubble, but 7 is the absolute bear minimum number of years it’ll take. Most people have been mooting an 8 or even 10-year extension.
Chris Carpenter doesn't give a fuck about your fantasy team.
by Felonius_Monk on Apr 27, 2010 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
I still say they strike a joint deal that transitions to the AJ era
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
AJ!!
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Apr 27, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Am I going to name my son...
something that starts with and A, and Pujols will be playing for another 20 years?
cardzfanbub Jones.
If you see a guy open the car door for his girlfriend, either the car is new or the girlfriend is.
by cardzfanbub on Apr 27, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Well really i could live with 7 or 8, i just dont wan too. I know he’d’like 10 or 11 but i could really see it with abunch of options, with idioticly high buy outs attached. If he truly wants to win a bunch of rings, he wont get that crazy
"Chuck Norris CAN divide by zero"
by elirock83 on Apr 27, 2010 10:07 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Bear?
Bear? Really? What time is it in England?
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Apr 27, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
he he
I was referring to the market for pujols, as in the opposite of “bull”. Honestly ;-)
Chris Carpenter doesn't give a fuck about your fantasy team.
by Felonius_Monk on Apr 27, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Sorry
had to put that up. My daughter has been blogging from her 8th grade field trip to D.C., and twice she spelled “barely” as “barley”. So when I saw yours, I had to comment.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Apr 27, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Ryan Howard's Contract
Maybe expectations of future inflation are reeeally high!?
The St. Louis Cardinals- 11 time World Champions!
that was my first conspiracy theory...
the owners know something about the economy that we don’t. of course, the part where tickets to the Bank become unofficial currency may not come to pass.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Apr 27, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
There are many who believe that
Running near 0% interest rates will do that eventually. There are also many who are completely on the other end of horribly destabilizing deflation.
Not afraid to nitpick
tweets
- Ackerman1120 La Russa, on Molina: “It’s a clinic every day. If you watch him, and only him, it’s worth the price of admission.” #stlcards about 3 hours ago via web
- andrewdmoses In just 66 PA, Colby Rasmus has produced 38% of his 2009 HR total (16), 31% of his walks, and 100% of his SB. #stlcards about 9 hours ago via web
- JoeStrauss Class project: Find the last time entire Cards bench organizational players. Stave, greene, Mather, Anderson, jay made it happen Monday. about 10 hours ago via Echofon
- BJRains Kyle Lohse pleased with results after going back to old pitching motion | St. Louis Globe-Democrat: http://bit.ly/blXDng
G-Dem: Glaus, Smoltz, Anderson
Is anyone else perplexed why there would be no contact with players on the way out, not even to keep the door open? Like, not even a conversation?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
as to the joe strauss one
surely it’s happened this year when there’s been a lefty on the mound? I find it hard to believe that, when Lopez has been at 2B, we’ve not had…. ah, now I think about it, LaRue. Damn.
Chris Carpenter doesn't give a fuck about your fantasy team.
by Felonius_Monk on Apr 27, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
i think this is really cool.
all that talk about how sucky our farm system was, but they’ve made it to the big league level (if only in a bench role).
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
this is also
I’ve seen Hawks spend ages signing.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Apr 27, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
LaRuuuuueeee
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
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by Yadi2Second on Apr 27, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Bench Poll Results from the Mothership
Gnashing of teeth is right. And I did not vote for the number 1 answer.
born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red
It's painful to think that Cardinal fans are that ....um....silly?
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Apr 27, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
the Stavinohas of west county?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
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by Yadi2Second on Apr 27, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Only 117 voters. VEB could have made that poll flip on our own.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
For Amaury
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
Amaury Cazana
does not need VEB to flip the poll for him. He could do it on his own because his mind can take over computers, allowing him to cast millions of votes for himself. However, since he is slightly amused at “the fat goateed man from Louisiana” defeating him, he has decided to forego he himself from participating.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Alas, this is not altogether unrealistic
if the Beloved Leader gives him twice as many opportunities to produce as everybody else
ceterum censeo, delendo est Joe Strauss
This enstills my belief that Goold is a VEB'er...
….why else would Amaury be on there?!
Note: Above comment may contain gratuitous amounts of sarcasm.
BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS
Hey Houston,
Suck it; you suck
Because he wanted to be.
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
by TBender on Apr 27, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Touche, sir...
Note: Above comment may contain gratuitous amounts of sarcasm.
BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS
Hey Houston,
Suck it; you suck
He reads it.
I wound up here after reading his blog, like, five years ago.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
10@10
good read vs. the G-Dem notebook
I think there’s another P-D I’m forgetting. hm.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
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by Yadi2Second on Apr 27, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Bobby's in town. let's hear what Bobby has to say!
With the Philadelphia Phillies signing former MVP Ryan Howard to a whopping $125 million extension Monday, Atlanta manager Bobby Cox didn’t take long to consider the deal’s ripple effect: How much then is Albert Pujols worth?
“Fifty million dollars a year,” he said. “At least.”
Cox gave no indication his estimate was in jest.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
This tells me two things about Bobby Cox
1. He’s a fangraphs fan
2. But he hasn’t looked at Albert’s WAR since 2008.
Jobu needs a refill
Or,
this is one of those wonderful intersections of a baseball man relying on his experience evaluating talent and watching Pujols play and mathematical evaluation of baseball talent. I love it when this stuff happens because it undermines the “stat nerds vs. baseball traditionalists” faux conflict.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
what have fangraphs done to their WAR calculation recently that's pushed Pujols' up over his career?
IIRC, they used to only have him above 8 WAR for about 1, maybe 2 seasons. Now he’s got one year of near-10 WAR and quite a few above 8. They using a slightly different defensive component now?
Chris Carpenter doesn't give a fuck about your fantasy team.
by Felonius_Monk on Apr 27, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Changed UZR I think
I believe they posted something about revising the values (not just the catcher ones).
Jobu needs a refill
i think they may have added first baseman scoops?
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
by tom s. on Apr 27, 2010 12:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
which albert is insanely good at, IMO
so maybe that would help somewhat. So he’s already up about 73 WAR or something ridiculous for his career. Which means he’s a HOFer if he retires tomorrow. Heh.
Chris Carpenter doesn't give a fuck about your fantasy team.
by Felonius_Monk on Apr 27, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
No way Pujols was a +25 defender in 07
UZR is going to overrate him because he always takes Skippy’s balls.
by vivaelpujols on Apr 27, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
UZR for first baseman only records assists and not putouts
Because Pujols ranges so far to his right he will record a lot of “unnecessary” assists, meanings plays that Skip could make pretty easily but Pujols takes from him. That infates his UZR.
by vivaelpujols on Apr 27, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
That doesn't mean that skill isn't useful, though
This allows Skip to play more towards 2nd, and our overall team defense should improve
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
It has value
but the current system has no way to measure how valuable they are because of the bin system it uses.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Well yeah, that's what I was sort of implying
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
And I agree
But if you can’t figure out how much it’s worth (or not worth), then it’s really hard to say it has implied value. See what I’m saying?
FWIW, if Hit F/X delivers, we’ll have a way to measure this stuff a lot better than we do now.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Absolutely agree. When's the big unveil supposed to be, does anybody know?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
i have been struggling not to laugh at this sub-thread. really. really badly.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
what it tells me about Bobby Cox is that he's smart enough to realize that the more Albert makes with the Cards, the better off Atlanta will be
by Willie McGee's Twin on Apr 27, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
that's what I was thinking too!
after all, it’s the Phillies. he’s probably thinking they didn’t handcuff themselves enough.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Apr 27, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
bobby cox is retiring soon, so he probably doesn't
Care what the cards are paying albert in 2012.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
by tom s. on Apr 27, 2010 12:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
My statement was more offhand than anything....
I doubt that that was Cox’s exact motivation in making that statement.
But I also doubt that Bobby Cox will quit caring about acting in the Braves’ interest just because he’s retired. It’s probably pretty well internalized by now.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Apr 27, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
no, no, it's brilliant
he’ll be working in the front office. planting the seeds of destruction in other organizations would be vintage brilliance.
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by Yadi2Second on Apr 27, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
pretty sure he's officially remaining with the organization
wonder who will be their new manager – kind of a big deal after such a long tenure as cox had. talking chop wants to poach the marlins manager but fears it could be pendleton, who they prefer be fired immediately (reminiscent of hal).
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
HAHAHAHA FESPN
they quote this.
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It all comes down to what you're willing to risk.
Of course this is a business. Of course Albert should try to get what he can; this is America, and that’s the beauty of the free market system. I don’t expect Albert to take a huge discount to stay with the Cards; maybe a small one, but I’d bet that he will get a major contract on the level of an A-Rod (maybe not that many years, but probably pushing $30 mil per). If he does, maybe it hamstrings the Cards when we get to 2017, 2020, or what have you.
And you know what? I won’t care. When you have a once in a lifetime talent like Albert, you move heaven and earth to keep him on your team. And if it dooms us to a few years of 70 win seasons like the early 90s…well, I don’t think I’ll mind too much.
"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols
it is an interesting question to pose in terms of player value
how much added value does a player represent outside of the wins he generates?
how do clubs evaluate this value? how do agents?
is it possible, say, that Phillies owners will come out ahead by keeping their core together because they’re betting the phans will pay money to see them into their late 30s?
been reading too much Joe Pos, me.
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by Yadi2Second on Apr 27, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
I think there's some value to that
but it pales in comparison to putting a winning team on the field. Fans will pack a stadium to watch winning baseball, even if the players are all assholes or mercenaries with no ties to the organisation. See Yankees, New York.
Chris Carpenter doesn't give a fuck about your fantasy team.
by Felonius_Monk on Apr 27, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, see, that only works
when your fans are also all assholes or mercenaries. See Yankees, New York.
"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols
And yes, I know you have a valid point.
I just couldn’t pass up the chance to make the joke.
"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols
it's true
but what if a gigantic source of revenue is actually not butts in seats, but jerseys on backs? broadcast deals?
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by Yadi2Second on Apr 27, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
think about having Albert
being driven around the warning (in a hover car) during the opening day ceremony in 2035.
he'll walk.
bionics. and the living warning track.
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by Yadi2Second on Apr 27, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
you assume his playing career won't be over in 2035
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
well if he is still good enough to play in 2035
then he will be good enough for us to pay him until 2021.
I love this rationale...
And you know what? I won’t care. When you have a once in a lifetime talent like Albert, you move heaven and earth to keep him on your team. And if it dooms us to a few years of 70 win seasons like the early 90s…well, I don’t think I’ll mind too much.
I feel like I should copy all these quotes into a spreadsheet with your screen name and then post them all when a 39 year old Albert Pujols who has a permanent 90 degree bend in his right arm is making $30M in the last two seasons of his deal and is keeping the club from retaining two All-Star young players for payroll reasons.
I’m NOT ok with losing because we paid a guy too much for too long. He’s a once in a generational talent, sure, but I don’t want to see my favorite ball-club crippled by his mere presence on the payroll and lose a lot of games because of it. I think that a longer contract stipulates that he takes some type of reduction in salary so that he doesn’t cripple the club later on. If he wants a 10 year deal, fine, but the price isn’t going up to $250M, it goes up to $220.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
I think you mean 'favourite'.
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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Apr 27, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd rather see Albert in a Cards uniform a couple years too many,
than see him still highly productive for a number of years in another team’s uniform.
Hmmmm
Depends on who the other team is. If I think the Pirates would pay him $300M over 10 years, I think I’d be ok with that. It’s going to submarine their entire franchise, regardless of how productive he is. He’d never go to Pittsburgh, but you get my drift.
If it’s in the American League, I’m ok with that too.
My worry would be the Mets and Dodgers, who can afford to pay him a ridiculous sum AS WELL as forming an awesome team around him that we would have to go through every year in the playoffs.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Anderson airport sighting
just flew into okc and saw Anderson gtrabbing his bags off my flight’s baggae claim.
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
by StLHugo on Apr 27, 2010 11:31 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Aw
2010 St. Louis Cardinals - Sinkers and Dingers
by jd is legend on Apr 27, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
didn't get a chance
he had headphones on but had two cards duffles one labled “16 Brayn Anderson”
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
by StLHugo on Apr 27, 2010 11:40 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
he probably had a Natinals jersey on underneath.
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by Felonius_Monk on Apr 27, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Dyslexic Equipment Manager Strikes Again!
by SouthsideCardsFan on Apr 27, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
y'all are so mean to mobile posters
hahaha
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by Yadi2Second on Apr 27, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
aw, you should have introduced yourself
He’s still young enough and new enough, I’d wager he doesn’t get so many fans approaching him. Poor guy’s languished in the minors, I suspect he’d appreciate attention. He could be a really private person though, I guess.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
by tom s. on Apr 27, 2010 12:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'd have opened with
“Hey, Brian. What about that Matt Pagnozzi, eh? Guy is a BEAST behind the plate! Just awesome defense.”
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by Felonius_Monk on Apr 27, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
As a really busy guy that hasn't got to watch a lot yet...
how did Anderson look both behind and beside the plate? Was he overmatched? Were his receiving skills adequate?
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
there were veiled "eh"s about him behind the plate
reply hazy, at best. when the clearest source is Al, well.
he shook out his nerves long enough to plate someone last night. did a lot of learnin’, which is what I like to hear from a catcher who’s going to handle a Duncan staff.
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he really only had one game. and catcher d is hard to scope anyway.
i don’t know man, i think the crucial thing is that anderson ‘proves’ he can ‘hit in the clutch’. that at bat really curries some favor with TLR for him, i’m glad he got it. i’ve been a big BA guy for some time, and at the very least, we have our backup catcher next year.
"...and pujols has given st louis the lead"
The Best Defensive Play I Have Seen in Person
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he's alive!
if the machines come after him, you’ll defend him, right?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
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by Yadi2Second on Apr 27, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Did you'all think he made a good impression on LaDunc?
I hope they noticed his sweet swing. Catching the Lohse game turned out bad. I wonder how much they will blame him vs. Lohse.
born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red
it fills me with trepidation, though
one o’ the last rookies who made a good impression on the vets, got sat down to a nice talk with La Russa, and was sent down with good wishes was Jarrett Hoffpauir. and we never saw The Hoff again….
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
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I think he'll replace LaRue as the backup next year.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Apr 27, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
i agree
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
if not sooner...
If you see a guy open the car door for his girlfriend, either the car is new or the girlfriend is.
ot: if only all ... that hadn't happened to Val Kilmer
I’d put him forward as a casting suggestion.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
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just watched tombstone over the weekend
I’ll be your huckleberry
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
now that's by-the-minute news Hugo!
I’d have been in nerdy giddy mode:
“I can’t wait to tell everyone on VEB. now which pocket did i damn phone in?”
VEB finds phones, too.
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OT:
With the recent moves, changes to my quiz from the other day:
1) Which STL draft class has the most members on the current Cardinals roster?
Old Answer: 2005, with 5.
New Answer: 2005, with 6(!) – (Rasmus rd 1, Greene 1, Anderson 4 (until he gets sent down), Boggs 5, Stavinoha 7, Garcia 22)
3a) How many current Cardinals were drafted in the first round (remember, sandwich picks are considered first-round picks by Baseball-Reference)?
Old Answer: 5
New Answer: 6
3b) Can you name them?
Old Answer: FLopex 1-8, ’98, Carpenter 1-15, ’93, Rasmus 1-28, ’05, Waino 1-29, ’00 and TMiller 1-41, ’91.
New Answer: FLopex 1-8, ’98; Carpenter 1-15, ’93; Rasmus 1-28, ’05; Greene 1-30, ’05; Waino 1-29, ’00; and TMiller 1-41, ’91.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Apr 27, 2010 11:37 AM EDT reply actions
how the hell was trever miller drafted in the first round?
I assume he was a starter in college… I’d never have guessed that.
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by Felonius_Monk on Apr 27, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
The Brian Barber draft!
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Actually
he was signed out of high school as a starter, didn’t make his debut until 1996, as a 23 yr old, and didn’t pitch in the majors in ’97, ’01 or ’02. Anyone know if he went through TJ surgery?
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Apr 27, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Kevin Brown got 105M over 7 years
It was a fucking dumb deal. This did not cause every pitching contract after that to use 15M as a baseline.
Albert Pujols for 25M/year would not be a dumb contract but Ryan Howard at that rate is. Just because the Phillies can’t properly value players doesn’t mean the Cardinals have to play that game as well.
Think; It's not illegal yet.
I think anyone that expected Albert to sign for less than $25M a year was kidding themselves.
The ARod contract both in length and AAV still looks like the best comp to me.
Think; It's not illegal yet.
Would the deal start after this season or after his option year?
You can read it in any tone you like.
good question
but even if the contract started this season, it’s still a mistake to give 10 years to a 30 year old pujols
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
It would not surprise me to see something like
8 years and two option years
Think; It's not illegal yet.
that wouldn't be as bad
but i don’t want to be committing $20MM+ to any 42 year old
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
i think the options will belong to pujols
be nice if that’s the point they’re at right now with the paperwork.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
maybe 8/200 over
then 5m options for yr 9 and 10? that wouldn’t be awful at all.
"...and pujols has given st louis the lead"
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maybe Ryan Howard's deal isn't rich enough
to make the Yankees say “uh, no way”.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
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by Yadi2Second on Apr 27, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Was there a pitcher as good as Brown to hit the market?
The previous three years he averaged 242 innings and a 172 ERA+.
Not afraid to nitpick
Randy Johnson?
I skipped my high school Homecoming dance to watch Brown and Johnson face off in the Houston-San Diego NLDS.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Good call and it looks like he got 14M/year
But he also wasn’t quite as good as Brown the previous few years……I know, weird.
Not afraid to nitpick
i remember that too.
granted i was like 10. but that matchup was unreal
"...and pujols has given st louis the lead"
The Best Defensive Play I Have Seen in Person
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Is Pujols as good as ARod?
Whatever insanity was involved with Howard doesn’t void the ARod contract (which looks good to date).
Think; It's not illegal yet.
I'd say it's a much better comp
though Pujols is worth more to the Cardinals then A-Rod is to the Yanks in the “face of the franchise” department.
I think it's a fair band
25-27.5M, anything less and I can’t imagine Pujols taking it, anything more and the Cardinals can’t possibly pay it while remaining competitive and point to A-Rod.
Not afraid to nitpick
*obviously the competitive thing doesn't have to do with A-Rod
But the whole "this is the max you could probably get on the FA market for a 8+ year deal.
Not afraid to nitpick
Well that's debatable
I think they were still pretty stupid at that point, they can just afford to make $20M mistakes (Giambi, Jason).
I agree with your overall point though.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
no but it may have convinced some agents to opt for free agency
because teams weren’t offering potential FA’s Kevin f-in Brown money.
Nothing more to add
though when I saw the deal first reported on ESPN was the Phillies just cost the Cards Albert with this ass**** deal.
1.14.10, the day I went green.
your first mistake
was looking for reporting on ESPN
heh heh heh
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by Yadi2Second on Apr 27, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Whenever I see "heh heh heh", I think Moonman
Is that what you’re going for? Is that what everyone here goes for when they say “heh”, “heh heh”, or “heh heh heh”?
I hope so, that’s how I’ve always been reading it.
Jobu needs a refill
to be honest, I still have no idea what VEP means when he says "heh"
but I for one am going for the Shannon effect, yes.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
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by Yadi2Second on Apr 27, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Contracts and Stan the Man
In that cheesy St. Louis Cardinals movie from the ‘80s, there was a segment where someone was sharing a story about when Musial was being courted by the newly formed Mexican league. They showed up at his house and opened up a suitcase full of more money than Musial had ever seen in his life. And (this is the part that is probably bullshit poetic license, but whatevs) Musial looked at his young son, and then the money, and then his son again, and decided he wouldn’t be able to look his kid in the eye again if he took the offer.
Let’s play that scene for Albert, Clockwork-Orange-style.
Well, he wouldn't be able to look his son in the eye
because he’d be playing in Mexico but he wouldn’t move his son to Mexico.
AJ will have to get back to you
he’s looking at comps
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by Yadi2Second on Apr 27, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
that's after lunch
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when's playtime?
’cause AJ wants/needs to play some ball!
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Dee Dee doesn't let the boys out till homework is done.
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heyyyy.
this doesn’t look like Albert’s batting stance, does it?
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Good catch
would never have noticed that logo…no, it needs to be more crouchy, doesn’t it?
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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Apr 27, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I mean, it's a nice triangular profile
doesn’t that look better? eh, what do I know about design.
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by Yadi2Second on Apr 27, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Power pyramid, baby.
Note: Above comment may contain gratuitous amounts of sarcasm.
BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS
Hey Houston,
Suck it; you suck
Been reading around the Cards reporters trying to see if there's any commentary on albert lazily running into an out in the first
so far, nothing
anyone else get anything, or are cardinals beat reporters as gutless as I suspect?
"There's a lot of things we say that don't make sense to our viewers. Okay, primarily me." ~Al Hrabosky~
He certainly doesn't bust a gut on weak grounders, does he?
I remember him getting thrown out by 2 or 3 feet in one of the games in San Francisco when it would’ve been a very close play at first if he’d really hussled.
Chris Carpenter doesn't give a fuck about your fantasy team.
by Felonius_Monk on Apr 27, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
...what the heck, sbn...
the license is a holdover from his hammy-pulled days, imo.
the other assumption is it’s Albert’s recklessness on the basepaths.
I dunno, it’s injury-management in the long term vs. taking a base. if we wanna tweak the reporters over giving Albert wide berth, imo there are many other areas to poke that stick.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I don't think anyone expects him to beat out infield grounders
the turning a double into an out because he felt like watching it in the box seems like it’d be fair game
figures that’s the one time Hrbosky doesn’t flip out
"There's a lot of things we say that don't make sense to our viewers. Okay, primarily me." ~Al Hrabosky~
by YesWeOquendo on Apr 27, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Al was too busy putting together his notes for slamming Brendan Ryan
hey-oh!
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(fwiw, i agree with Al's not-that-clear point that it's getting to Boog's head, but the rest of it was rather poppycockish.)
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you must be getting him confused with Freese.
Don’t worry, it happens all the time. They’re basically the same player… >sarcasm<
freeze runs as hard as he can
he’s slow out of the box, but not because he’s admiring his single.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
does anyone know why he's slow out of the box?
is it anything a beating can fix?
/not actually advocating violence
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is that an answer or a suggestion...?
uh. uhm. forget I asked.
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haha
but maybe his swing, how his weight ends up, contributes? and some just have a slow initial burst, like skippy’s first step in the field.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
the guys in the truck never show him
I would just like to know. I mean, we know why Yadi is slow.
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as slow as yadi is i bet his first step is quicker than people imagine
and quicker than freeze.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
mad at the ground > glacier
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It was hard to tell from the tv camera shots
but I thought Albert thought the ball was going out initially. He sure darted like a bat outa hell on his double off of Saito.
born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red
and the crowd also betrayed it.
maybe Albert got Danny Mac’d by Busch.
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actually that makes sense to me
I think that ball might of gotten over the wall if not for the rain/humidity
but even then, IF it’s going over, it’s only just
He really needs to be running out of the box on that one
kind of a rough day in retrospect, I hope his wrist is okay
f’in chipper
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by YesWeOquendo on Apr 27, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
well the other thing is
we don’t know what the conditions on the ground were, with the rain
I saw those pesky groundskeepers watering down the field before the game, so….
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he wasn't being lazy
he was just admiring his shot off the wall and forgot to run
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
he is not a role model
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
i think he can watch as many shots as he wants
if he doesn’t get gunned down by three steps at second
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
I don't like it either
but I am alright with giving the Ridiculous One a pass from time to time
I DON'T GIVE A FUCK!
I was waiting for Al to skewer him,
but he was awful quiet. I wonder if he got a talking to last year?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
As stupid as AL can be
I think even he knows better than to rag on The Ridiculous One.
Yes, I have decided that The Ridiculous One will be how I refer to him from now on (unless he is clean shaven, then I allow myself to use Sexy Beast).
I DON'T GIVE A FUCK!
he does it on purpose
just to remind himself.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
You kinda have to give albert a pass sometimes
he’s a really awful baserunner, IMO. I know people love guys who make “aggressive mistakes” and all that BS, and it was kinda cool seeing him score from 2B on a groundout, but he runs into a hell of a lot of outs at times (/purely anecdotal opinion not necessarily supported by any numbers)
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by Felonius_Monk on Apr 28, 2010 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions
agh, I don't know if this is it.
I remember he didn’t take a shot at Strauss, but he did really…. I bet it’s somewhere in VEB archives, but it’s been a bear to wade through SBN lately.
anyway. FWIW: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OrLfgvJ-ss
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well, while I fruitlessly look for that, here's this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ub1rMuGrdas
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hrm. I did find Albert and Yadi doing a little homerun derby.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfN6BHB24PE
there’s Brendan chuckling.
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Here's a fun ranking.
2009 wOBA Top 10 1B:
Pujols – .449
Fielder – .420
Votto – .418
Youkilis – .413
Lee – .412
Gonzalez – .402
Teixeira – .402
Cabrera – .402
Dunn – .394
Howard – .392
Past 3 Calendar Years:
Pujols – .440
Teixeira – .406
Fielder – .403
Berkman – .397
Youkilis – .396
Pena – .394
Cabrera – .393
Lee – .387
Helton – .385
Howard – .385
by mojowo11 on Apr 27, 2010 1:39 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I love lists like these.
Good post.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Um...
That’s a sizeable gap between #1 and #2 on both lists.
Ridiculous
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
It's a sizeable gap
between #1 and the rest of the league…
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
fixed
It’s a sizeable gap
between #1 __#5 and the rest of the league…
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
I'm really, REALLY surprised to see Tex at #2 in the 3 year list
although I suppose he’s had a couple of good years running. I always think of him as a guy who is pretty ordinary every few years (i.e. he always seem to have a really mediocre year, for a “star” player, every 2 or 3 seasons). Pena’s another guy who it’s such a surprise to see up there, especially as he’s not embarassing on defence either. He’s going to be a real steal for somebody (might even be the Rays, I guess) for the next few years – seems he’s as good as Fielder, Howard and even Miggy but won’t make a fraction of those guys’ salaries.
Chris Carpenter doesn't give a fuck about your fantasy team.
by Felonius_Monk on Apr 28, 2010 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions
conspiracy theory! as long as the "new ad" keeps running... this will keep happening:
http://thecardinalnationblog.com/2010/04/27/cardinals-number-six-spot-not-producing/
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
arrgh! blocked at work.
what does it say? this sounds serious.
by _pistol_ on Apr 27, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
hang on a sec
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
i hope this is the meat of it....
fake blockquotes
Until Yadier Molina’s game-winning eighth-inning double Monday night, the number six hole had produced only three RBI all season, just one ahead of the pitcher’s spot for the least productive in the Cardinals lineup.
Games started, number six spot, 2010 Cardinals, through 19 games
Player Starts RBI
Yadier Molina 5 2
Felipe Lopez 5 0
David Freese 5 0
Ryan Ludwick 3 2
Colby Rasmus 1 0
and
Bonus coverage: Pinch-hitters not driving in runs, either
While Nick Stavinoha’s game-winning pinch-hit two-run home run back on April 9 in Milwaukee endeared the outfielder to fans, that has pretty much been it for the club this season. (Tom) Orf points out that Bryan Anderson’s Monday night double was only the Cardinals’ second pinch hit of the season that actually plated a run.
Overall in 2010, St. Louis pinch-hitters are 6-for-25 (.240).
/fake blockquote
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
so that's.... interesting
not really sure what the point of that was, but there you go.
Cliff notes:
“Statistical noise happens”
Chris Carpenter doesn't give a fuck about your fantasy team.
by Felonius_Monk on Apr 28, 2010 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions
hint: thread begins with "conspiracy theory!"
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I'm sure this has been debated ad nauseam already
but here’s my take
The Phillies front office is dumb dumb dumb. overpaid for Howard when they figured out they can’t trade him for Pujols
Albert has continued to say that he wants to stay in StL. the signing of Holliday was to make the team more competitive and to show Albert that they mean business. they will then be competitive in signing Pujols. Albert won’t make them overpay because he wants to be on a comeptitive team, and the Cardinals are one of the most competitive teams in the majors. factor that in with Albert having lived here his whole life and I don’t see him wanting to move to a major market. sure they Cards may end up paying close to 30 mil a year for him but I don’t think that that is out of the question, nor should it be.
he is a bit eccentric
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 27, 2010 1:52 PM EDT reply actions
*his whole baseball life
he is a bit eccentric
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 27, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
also
I think it will depend how we do this year, if we do really well I think it will have a big effect on what Albert decides
he is a bit eccentric
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 27, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Violated rule number one today
What is rule number 1?
Never argue with an idiot. You get nowhere.
I argued with a Cubs fan on facebook about Rasmus getting thrown out at the plate last night. He tried to say it was a base running mistake. It wasn’t. The contact play was on, so he went on contact, as he was supposed to. He came back with “yeah, you’re right, it’s jr high baseball.” WTF??
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Your mistake wasn't arguing with an idiot
It was arguing on Facebook.
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Well, that response seems to say
that he’s admitting you’re right. “yeah, you’re right, you learn that in Jr. High baseball.”
If you're calling me an idiot
i wouldn’t argue with me.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
was supposed to be in reply
to TBender. Damn work, taking away from my concentration.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
I have that problem a lot too
he is a bit eccentric
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 27, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Somebody try to argue this:
Playing devil’s advocate: You list Adrian Gonzalez and Prince Fielder as superior to Howard. Presumably this is based on Sabrmetrics, e.g. OPS+ and WAR. Howard has had at least 45 HR, 139 RBI, and finished in the top 5 of MVP voting four straight years. He’s in a better offense, but OPS+ and WAR don’t necessarily tell how a player projects to a bigger stage. Howard has had more opportunities, but is also a proven producer. That makes you a lot of money every time.
Put Ryan Howard in PetCo with Adrian Gonzalez' teammates
and watch his argument go to shit. Of course, short of having that time travel thing from Fringe, this would be impossible.
I really don’t have a decent argument for Fielder, in fact, I’m not so sure that you can separate them except by age, which, admittedly, is a HUGE difference. At least with Howard you have some idea of what you’re getting, with Fielder, you might get an elite hitter (2009) or an slightly above average first baseman (2008). The biggest difference, imo, is that if you sign Prince next year, he’ll be heading into his prime, whereas Howard will be heading out of his.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
This argument makes little sense.
If I ever had anyone spend $125MM of my money based on it, I would fire them. I don’t really understand what they are getting at with “projecting to a bigger stage.” Howard has had a lot of postseason PAs, so his postseason stats are really similar to his regular season stats. That’s what happens most of the time. If you make the playoffs enough times and get enough chances, your true talent level comes out in the numbers. Ryan Howard hasn’t done anything magical in the postseason. He has simply been Ryan Howard.
How about this for a comparison: the players versus lefthanded pitchers. Fielder is okay. Gonzalez is not that good. Howard has splits that are Thurstanian.
Howard: .225/.308/.442/.750
Fielder: .257/.336/.482/.818
Gonzalez: .242/.316/.424/.739
Also, Howard strikes out a ton, and often leads the league. (I don’t really care, myself, but anti-sabrmetric types tend to find this a moral failing.) I don’t know how often Fielder and Gonzalez do, but I’d bet it’s less often.
I think age is the biggest thing, to me. Howard’s more likely to decline or get injured while making $25MM.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Prediction
If you put Adrian Gonzalez in the Philly lineup and let him play half his home games at CitBank, he hits 53 homers and drives in 150 last year. He had a number of “just-missed” homers at PetCo last year that would have been no-doubters in Philly, couple that with the fact that he’d actually have other talent in the lineup, my guess is that he goes nuts.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
FWIW
I didn’t realise A-Gon sucked so much against lefties. That’s got to be a big blight on his value. Mind you, his hitting DOES seem to have improved in the last two years, so it’s possible his true talent level is a bit better than this (and his line is just about average, so it’s possible he’s a mildly above-average hitter of LHP).
Chris Carpenter doesn't give a fuck about your fantasy team.
by Felonius_Monk on Apr 28, 2010 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions
There is absolutely nothing factually wrong with that statement.
Howard has had at least 45 HR, 139 RBI, and finished in the top 5 of MVP voting four straight years.
Factually correct.
He’s in a better offense, but OPS+ and WAR don’t necessarily tell how a player projects to a bigger stage.
Factually correct.
Howard has had more opportunities, but is also a proven producer. That makes you a lot of money every time.
Factually correct.
I don’t like some of the inferences of this paragraph, but there’s really nothing you can pick holes in, IMO. And I’d actually argue that Howard is more vauable than his raw numbers would suggest, as he has a HUGE disparity (on the good side) between his production with RISP against his production without. Whether that means he’s dogging it when there’s no-one on to drive in (debatable), whether it is simply a function of random statistical variation between the two samples (possible, but he’s got a pretty sizeable sample size for BOTH situations), or whether he’s got a different approach in either situation and the approach he takes with men on base is somehow more productive (seems unlikely), you can’t debate that the numbers are there.
None of this makes him worth $25m/yr, of course, but I’d argue there’s a non-zero chance he’s worth more than his WAR would suggest because he’s historically been an absolute beast with RISP.
Chris Carpenter doesn't give a fuck about your fantasy team.
by Felonius_Monk on Apr 28, 2010 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions
FWIW, Howard's numbers:
With men on base:
.290/.404/.626 (1.031 OPS)
With bases empty:
.268/.341/.539 (.880 OPS)
Whatever you say about clutch stats, those are pretty marked differences. It’s also notable that he has basically 3 full seasons of plate appearances in both sample sizes, so it’s likely not a SSS issue.
He’s also a good hitter with 2 outs and RISP (1.004 OPS vs .955 OPS lifetime), although obviously that’s a much smaller sample size.
FWIW, Adrian Gonzalez hits slightly better with RISP, but the difference is not nearly as marked as Howard (but it’s entirely a function of OBP, which may be partially due to hitting in a shitty lineup and getting IBBed a lot with men in scoring position).
Prince Fielder is practically the same guy (with slightly higher OBP and slightly lower SLG) with men on base as he is without.
Tex is a fair bit better with men on base but nowhere near the differential that Howard has.
Pujols, again like Fielder and A-Gon, gets walked (thus a slightly higher OBP) more with men on base, but is otherwise much the same hitter.
Howard is a big outlier here. Whilst some of it might be statistical noise, I’d argue his hitting with men on base makes him slightly more valuable than his “raw” offensive stats and/or linear weights would suggest. It’s nowhere near enough to make him worth close to $25m in his mid-30s, but it’s somewhat relevant.
Chris Carpenter doesn't give a fuck about your fantasy team.
by Felonius_Monk on Apr 28, 2010 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions
it can in no way be a baserunning mistake on rasmus
because he wasn’t going on his own, as you note. if the guy wanted to argue, he could have argued that tony shouldn’t have had the contact play on in that situation, with the infield in – if they field the ball, you will be out. i was hoping for a squeeze on that pitch and with freeze at the plate.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
blue jays are looking to deal bullpen arms
but I have no idea if we actually need any bullpen help… the ‘pen seems to be in a state of flux, sometimes they are effective and sometimes they are pretty worrisome. I suppose we could use one more arm… any blue jays relievers you’d be interested in veb?
he is a bit eccentric
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 27, 2010 2:41 PM EDT reply actions
any others?
he is a bit eccentric
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 27, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
i hope he was kidding
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I like Scott Downs
he is a bit eccentric
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 27, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
plus he's off to a bad start so we might be able to get a deal on him
before this year he’s been superb
he is a bit eccentric
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 27, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I do too.
I think his pitch arsenal would fit well with the Dunc philosophy too.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
I hope we get him
any idea of who we’d have to trade for him?
he is a bit eccentric
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 27, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe daryl jones?
jones for downs? eh, not a bad deal.
"...and pujols has given st louis the lead"
The Best Defensive Play I Have Seen in Person
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that was actually the deal I was thinking of
although when downs comes over needing tommy john surgery or something, all hell will break loose
he is a bit eccentric
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 27, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah i suppose.
daryl jones is just another 4th outfielder with a slightly higher ceiling. i’d much rather get some bullpen help when we have henley, craig, mather, jay as prospects. DJ is fungible.
"...and pujols has given st louis the lead"
The Best Defensive Play I Have Seen in Person
follow me on teh twitterz @greenfieldt
yeah, I wouldn't mind that deal too much
I don’t really have much hope for DJ becoming a star, and I’m not sure that was ever really on the cards because he’s never going to hit for much power. Nyjer Morgan is his absolute ceiling (if you slightly downgrade what I’m guessing was quite likely a luck-inflated 2010 year for Morgan and say he’s a true talent 2-3 WAR guy).
Chris Carpenter doesn't give a fuck about your fantasy team.
by Felonius_Monk on Apr 28, 2010 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Why not just sign Juan Cruz for the league minimum once he clears waivers?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I guess if you think he'll be good bullpen help
but like I said, if Motte keeps things up or gets better than I guess we don’t need bullpen help as much. although I’d like some Franklin insurance…
he is a bit eccentric
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 27, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I was promised a flash card....
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I'd like to trade for Scott Downs
but who would he replace? or what role would Juan Cruz play?
he is a bit eccentric
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 27, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
oh, I was thinking of the young arms coming up
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
SANCHEZ
needs to be in AAA. And Mr Thriller not getting sent back up to AA is ridiculous. He’s clearly too good for high-A.
Chris Carpenter doesn't give a fuck about your fantasy team.
by Felonius_Monk on Apr 28, 2010 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions
I didn't see if anyone mentioned this yet
But the years on the Howard deal are perhaps more important than the AAV. Players will take a pretty big cut in AAV to get more years. Mauer’s contract is still the best comp. Mauer’s production should be valued about the same as Pujols’s production because of where it comes from. Pujols produces more than anyone in baseball, but Mauer comes close as a catcher. Offensive production from catcher is rare and special. It’s important to think about how much Philly is paying Howard to forgo the security of extra years.
by Sukafish on Apr 27, 2010 2:42 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
good point
he is a bit eccentric
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 27, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
People who are more worldly than I am:
So, I found a place to stay in Seattle, but I can’t move in until June 2nd
What, oh what can I do?!
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
any hostels there?
couchsurfing.com?
he is a bit eccentric
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 27, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
sleep in your car?
he is a bit eccentric
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 27, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
If my fiance isn't planning on coming up until June, I might actually consider this
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Have you tried a
I need a place to stay for 2 weeks ad on CL? May be worth a shot.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Yeah, that's what i'm doing right now
We’ll see… I have no doubt it’ll work out in the end. I’m not above staying in my car for a week or two, at any rate
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
maybe you could ask z for his couch?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
do you work at the Stadium?
just don’t leave after work.
Problem solved.
George F’in Costanza, people!
I DON'T GIVE A FUCK!
Is anyone looking to sublet their house for a couple of months?
I stayed out there for a summer at the house of a IT engineer who was working on a project out of town for three months. He would be home once every three weeks or so, but I just had to pick up his utilities and half his mortgage payment while taking care of the lawn and water his perennial beds. It was a pretty sweet set-up, but that was 10 years ago.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Well I have a place from June to August
But my job starts May 17th, so I need to fill in that two week gap
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
sleep under your desk
he is a bit eccentric
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 27, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
reminds me of a funny story
my brother was working in a web design office, and they had this new hire that they said was kind of weird. to make a long story short, apparently he got fired after just a few weeks when they found out that he was staying after working and sleeping in the office and drinking beer, I guess he passed out one time with all these beer cans around him and they found him in the morning!
he is a bit eccentric
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 27, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
There's got to be an extended stay hotel in the area
and those are usually weekly for around $160 or so.
That’s what I’d do.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Really?
I tried there, but they all say at least $50 a night
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Damn...that's high
There’s places like that in L.A. for $180 a week and they’re in nice locations too — not seedy rundown joints.
Fuck, for $50 a night you could probably get a regular hotel if you use hotels.com.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
I think you guys are placing too much value in production.
There are many things about a player that are just as important than WAR, especially for a team with a fanbase like St. Louis. How many asses are put in seats just by the presence of a guy like Albert? Albert is the man, the myth, the legend in St. Louis. If Fielder or Gonzalez were on this team, would it really be that much worse in terms of wins? I would think probably not. The important thing is that Albert sells tickets and brings new young fans into the fanbase. This makes the team much more money than simply the same wins that would have been made by a Fielder, Gonz, etc. For this reason StL pays Albert what he wants. I don’t really think ARod money is out of the question.
I am going to go with the number
28.5 mil/yr for like 7 years
he is a bit eccentric
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 27, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Tell me then
What is Albert Pujols worth to the St. Louis Cardinals? Specifically, if you paid Adrian Gonzalez $20M per season instead of paying Albert Pujols $30M per season, would the team lose more than $10M? Keep in mind, St. Louis has been selling out games as long as I can remember and is nearly always in the top half of the league in attendance. So how do you determine what percentage of those asses in seats are due to Albert Pujols? Simply answer is: You can’t.
People show up to watch a winning club. Those 80’s Whiteyball teams had Ozzie and a bunch of other guys we fell in love with because they won a lot of fucking ballgames. I don’t think I really remember Tommy Herr so favorably if the team’s that he was on were winning 70 games instead of 90. If the club can save $10M and expect to win a similar number of games (and with Gonzalez, we’re talking about a 2-3 win difference), then I think the marketing aspect of this decision is pretty much nil.
Put simply, St. Louis is not say, Florida, where you need a marquee player to sell your team because it has no tradition. I compare Cardinals baseball with Packers football — people will continue to come because that’s what their parents and grandparents did. The more you win, the more people will show up, but I can’t see a day when the Cardinals are in the bottom ten of the league in attendance.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
heck
I like the cards so much that I still tuned in during the 90s
he is a bit eccentric
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 27, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Seconded...
painfully seconded…
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
I think you guys are placing too much value in production.
Agreed. There’s definitely too much emphasis on paying players to be actually good at baseball. Baking ability, IQ and penis length are definitely under-rated and valuable qualities in a first baseman.
Chris Carpenter doesn't give a fuck about your fantasy team.
by Felonius_Monk on Apr 28, 2010 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions
our division pretty laughable in the latest sbn power rankings
the cards dropped from 3 to 5. then cubs 15, brewers 17, astros 25, reds 27, and pirates 30. this the cards blurb:
They managed to split a six game west coast road trip to San Francisco and Arizona, and in the NL Central that’s enough to stay on top. The Giants and Cardinals managed to combine for just nine runs over three games over the weekend in San Francisco, where the Cards suffered their first series loss of the season. Don’t look now, but Albert Pujols might be human: Even after a three hit day on Sunday, he’s hitting just .207/.257/.448 since the 20 inning loss to the Mets a little more than a week ago.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Seriously
We’re going to run away with this division unless the Reds can get it together. The Cubs and Brewers are both going to be selling at the deadline, and the Brew Crew will have a manager change at some point this season. This is Lou’s last season in Chicago too — Ryne Sandberg will be the skipper for the Cubs on opening day next year.
I think the Reds are one Dusty Baker Firing away from hitting their stride, but I’ve been bullish on them all season, Dusty just continues to not play his best lineups.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
And as soon as Sandberg takes over as manager
people will think its 1984 all over again.
Ignoring the enormous problems with that roster and payroll.
by Michael_68_1999 on Apr 27, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
And I think you're over-rating the reds, this year
but you know that. I think they can be a real force in 2011, though, and I expect them to be the 2nd best team in the division then.
I still think the Brewers are the best of the rest.
Chris Carpenter doesn't give a fuck about your fantasy team.
by Felonius_Monk on Apr 28, 2010 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions
wait, what happened to Dioner Navarro?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Everyone realised he was mediocre at baseball?
Chris Carpenter doesn't give a fuck about your fantasy team.
by Felonius_Monk on Apr 28, 2010 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Apu
given sunday and Monday is he coming out of the funk? I hadn’t had a chance to see all his at bats but he is at least getting hits…any thoughts
This guys so good(Pujols) He should be illegal-Pirates announcers
His chasing less and being more patient
I’d say so. But the SF trip was rough. Timmy, Zito and Cain are a pretty tough trio. The SF closer chucks heat.
born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red
yeah
like i said i havent seen his abs, but for sunday monday his boxscore isnt bad….i was curious as to the chasing cause it’s not typical Apu
This guys so good(Pujols) He should be illegal-Pirates announcers
His abs: not great
He’s no Gape Kapler
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
thats funny
but i meant At bats..and those shorts are repulsive
This guys so good(Pujols) He should be illegal-Pirates announcers
maybe mysterui is a 'PA' snob
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Why even bother with the shorts...
they’re not exactly hiding anything.
If you see a guy open the car door for his girlfriend, either the car is new or the girlfriend is.
are you suggesting you wish they weren't there?
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by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 27, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I wish the pic...
was cropped at waist level. I just don’t see the point in the shorts…other than the “point” he is making.
If you see a guy open the car door for his girlfriend, either the car is new or the girlfriend is.
haha fair enough.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 27, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
i left last night
and watched the comeback on tv. probably best that i did, though, for obvious reasons. i might catch some crap for it, but then again, what DON’T i catch crap for these days?
/f’n zoomzoom
Best moment I've ever seen at a Cards game in person
Felipe Lopez for closer!
Revive the stache, Boog.
well so far, you're not catching crap for what fang does
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
thanks for that.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 27, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
ot: lol
The comment section is worth reading on its own, as in-depth (and occasionally crazy offshoots) discussions take place regularly.
http://www.cardinal70.com/stlouiscardinals/the-guide-to-the-cardinal-blog.php
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I have a big, big problem with the list, though.
no Redbird Nation. even among the ‘defunct’ list. unless i’m mistaken.
I am not happy if that’s the case.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
It's a very tall order to compile such a list.
I remember when I thought Fungoes was new, and it was something like two years old. It’s tough to keep track of all the Cardinals sites.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
...well, you are talking to me...
I do know google has its own blog search…. and other nefarious internet tricks.
it’s a great list, but it’s not actually that hard.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
redbird nation is great
it’s like a wonderful time machine. and so well-written.
"...and pujols has given st louis the lead"
The Best Defensive Play I Have Seen in Person
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Redbird Nation
There’s a difference between inactive and defunct. Any blog that hadn’t posted since 2008 wasn’t added on there.
That said, I realize that Redbird Nation was an important part “back in the day”, as it were, and I’ll add it to the other sites section at the bottom.
prepare the unicorns!!
JoeStrauss
Heard some very interesting insight regarding Howard v. Pujols contracts from agent. May be reading about it this weekend. Not happy talk. 2 minutes ago via Echofon
JoeStrauss
P.S. Not Pujols’ agent.
"...and pujols has given st louis the lead"
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Alright, who's staying up until midnight with me?!
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
JUST getting ready to post that
i’m sorry, but i’m sick of his shit. if you have something to report, THEN REPORT IT JOE! DON’T SIT THERE ON SOMETHING, GLOAT ABOUT IT, MAKE US WAIT AN UNNECESSARY AMOUNT OF TIME, AND THE WRITE ABOUT. ALL YOU’RE DOING IS TRYING TO GARNISH READERS, AND IT’S THE WORST KIND OF REPORTING THERE IS. IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING, SHOW IT. OTHERWISE YOU’RE BLUFFING AND YOUR SHIT ISN’T WORTH READING IN THE FIRST PLACE.
/exhausted rant
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by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 27, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
would you like a unicorn?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
absolutely.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 27, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
But Twitter isn't for news.
You can’t just report something on Twitter! What if you don’t have the time at the moment to write a legit story but you want people to know you have a legit story… Twitter!
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
you can absolutely report something on twitter!
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by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 27, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Joe Strauss disagrees.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
obviously...
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by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 27, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Heh.....
you just said legit story in reference to Strauss.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Well Joe Strauss thinks he's legit.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
I like to think I'm a handsome man....
vanity is a bitch.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Sorry about that.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
So much so that he cannot cease
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by jd is legend on Apr 27, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
are you saying that
He’s too legit? Too legit to quit?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Indeed good sir
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by jd is legend on Apr 27, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
If it was anything interesting or worthwhile, he'd just report it
If he didn’t, he’d have the chance of getting scooped by a credible baseball writer, like Derrick Goold.
Most likely, this story is more Strauss Shit. Where’s my fucking UNICORN!!!!!!
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
-1 for large size
but thanks for the sl.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 27, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
on my shitty ass network, that's a lot
strangely, i’m never the one to bitch about overflows, so that’s a plus.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 27, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
No...the large size was needed
for the level of asshattery of that tweet.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
by fourstick on Apr 27, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
so true
"...and pujols has given st louis the lead"
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I think the large size is fine.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
Yeah after I hit post I realized that was a bad idea.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
+1,000,000
i’ve basically agreed with everything you’ve said the past week (even if i haven’t posted that i have, i agree with your viewpoints). i almost feel dirty.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 27, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I will now follow you on twitter because you seem like a decent fellow.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
sweet
i tweet A LOT, and it’s not always about baseball, so i’m sorry about that. i get unfollowed all the time, so it’s not a big deal if you can’t handle it. haha
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by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 27, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
We'll see
I don’t update them all on my phone. I do a few that I really want to see immediately and then check the rest once a day or so.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
you should be fine then
sorry for hogging your feed when we do log on that once per day.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 27, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
My twitter client is awesome
I can group different people into different columns. So if I specifically want to wait 3 days to read yours while reading everyone else’s, I can do that.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
yeah
i saw that you had one i hadn’t heard of before, i’ll need to check it out.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 27, 2010 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions
his is called "chromed bird"
FWIW, i use tweetdeck and like it for general use.
what company do you work for?
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by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 27, 2010 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions
oh come on
open up a little.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 27, 2010 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions
i'm following you too now muahaha
"...and pujols has given st louis the lead"
The Best Defensive Play I Have Seen in Person
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If you're like everyone else you'll be unfollowing him in like a day.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
if by everyone else you mean besides you.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 27, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
That's why I said else.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
i've lasted like...4 weeks now!
i don’t mind obnoxious tweeters, it’s not like i care what fang has to say about his all nighters or what have you.
"...and pujols has given st louis the lead"
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Are you going to unfollow me tonight during Glee?
Although I suppose if you survived Dancing with the Stars last night…
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
wasn't on twitter too much last night
due to my macbook being slow, i usually only have veb up while watching mlb.tv. you survived….for now.
and i’ll be tweeting like crazy during the mad men premiere so just a heads up on that
"...and pujols has given st louis the lead"
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aaand i didn't answer your question
again, i don’t care what people post, it doesn’t bother me at all.
"...and pujols has given st louis the lead"
The Best Defensive Play I Have Seen in Person
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Or someone with a fake name like Hardcore
2010 St. Louis Cardinals - Sinkers and Dingers
by jd is legend on Apr 27, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Your rant
can be used as a macro whenever Strauss posts anything on any Cardinals subject, be it Twitter, column, JSL on the P-D site, whatever.
by Michael_68_1999 on Apr 27, 2010 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
JoeStrauss
Prevailing sentiment: barring a discount or ultra-creativity, Cardinals may be squ*ewed unless they jack payroll to at least 110 million.
"...and pujols has given st louis the lead"
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I'm sure any retention plan already hinged on a 110M payroll.
This is a non-report.
Think; It's not illegal yet.
I know, but I just thought i'd cause a bit of Straussian handwringing
and looks like Fang obliged
"...and pujols has given st louis the lead"
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[rips out merit badge]
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
AYE!
nah i legitimately thought it would be good to post. if not me, someone else would’ve. i don’t need no stinkin badge. just a gold star /sheepish kick in the dirt
"...and pujols has given st louis the lead"
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I don't have any gold stars, sadly.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
i've never bitched about strauss before
and i’ve even gone along with his shit before, but enough is enough. this is just stupid.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 27, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes.
Who here thought we could retain Pujols without a $110MM payroll?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
who here thought we were getting a $110MM payroll after the 06 WS?
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
I don't know.
Did I? I don’t think I did. I wanted to implode the team rather than go for a victory lap.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Eh, I might have been guilty of that.
We were told that the new ballpark was tied to a higher payroll. I’m not sure that’s actually true at this point but I still think that they’ll move the upper bound for Pujols.
Think; It's not illegal yet.
squ*ewed?
Fuck the heck does that mean?
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
for some reason i love the phrase
“fuck the heck”
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Apr 27, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
albert pujols does not give a fuck about ryan howard
i choose to think when he goes to sleep at night he’s thinking about dingers, not dollars (or any man named howard…well, any man at all)
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
actually there was a whole article in the paper
that was basically “Hey, Ryan Howard, I’m really happy for you…”
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
...but albert pujols...
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
is the best baseball player of all time...OF ALL TIME!
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
what a team player you are
you have great intangibles, IHB.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
now if only i could up my GRIT
i might beat out david eckstein for a job next year
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
you wanna play for the pads - wut?!!
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
actually i should try to get on the Cubs so i can sabotage them
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
the slapfight begins!
- Aaron Hooks athooks @JoeStrauss Did Dan Lozano order his first born son to be cast in gold again? That guy is getting out of hand. 7 minutes ago via web in reply to JoeStrauss
- JoeStrauss Prevailing sentiment: barring a discount or ultra-creativity, Cardinals may be squ*ewed unless they jack payroll to at least 110 million. 6 minutes ago via Echofon
- andrewdmoses @JoeStrauss Im of the opinion that 110 would still cause problems. 2 minutes ago via Tweetie in reply to JoeStrauss
merit badge to tgreenfield
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
huzzah!
"...and pujols has given st louis the lead"
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I'm confused.
So, is one of those tweeters tgreenfield?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
nein. just a recap all of those ppl responding to strauss.
my twitter is pretty close to my sbn handle
"...and pujols has given st louis the lead"
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so is mine!
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by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 27, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
why dont the cards offer Apu
a Ichiro contract and pay him for like ever
This guys so good(Pujols) He should be illegal-Pirates announcers
this is buster olney internal-discussion territory
does this agent perhaps represent vaudeville acts?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Dear Joe Straus
I DON’T GIVE A FUCK.
Kisses,
Chris Carpenter.
Chris Carpenter doesn't give a fuck about your fantasy team.
by Felonius_Monk on Apr 28, 2010 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions
this is amusing
he is a bit eccentric
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 27, 2010 3:43 PM EDT reply actions
The best part of this
is looking at how much a high end Mac cost in 1997, when Apple’s stock was shit, and how much a high end Mac costs in 2010.
Like that G3 Powerbook? You can buy their BEST Powerbook now for less than that, so instead of being cool, you should have just bought $5700 in stock, waited until 2009, then bought the new Powerbook and a Ferrari instead.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Note they picked a nice little bottom
for the stock.
ode to ryan howard
there once was a player named howard
he couldn’t hit for average like mauer
he could drive in a run
but couldn’t walk like dunn
that new contract soon will taste sour
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
by IHeartBoog on Apr 27, 2010 3:57 PM EDT reply actions 17 recs
badass lyricism there
"...and pujols has given st louis the lead"
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Pujols 50 million + a year
in the world of bobby cox, no one can afford albert
he is a bit eccentric
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 27, 2010 4:00 PM EDT reply actions
we up there, dawg.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I think I was riding my bike to work at that point
did not read all the postings’s
he is a bit eccentric
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 27, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
there used to be a witty verb for that
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I DON'T GIVE A FUCK
he is a bit eccentric
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 27, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
do you remember a Carlin bit about the F word and its versatility in the english language?
I can see Carp using it as almost every word in a sentence… F*ck the f*cking f*ckers!
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Apr 27, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know if that was Carlin
It’s been universally attributed to Jack Wagner, but I’m not sure anyone really knows who actually did it the first time.
Regardless, it’s a hilarious few minutes of audio.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
hmmm
you know i dont know… i could have sworn that I heard Carlin do it but honestly i defer to anybody who actually does know for sure.
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Apr 27, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, seems like carlin to me, but i could be misremembering
related, didn’t carlin do the cheese tits and tater tits bit?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I DON"T GIVE A FUCK
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
by RiverRat on Apr 27, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
it wasn't a verb
like shanghaied…or such?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Sooooooo....kickin' it old-school and playin' All Star Baseball 2000 on my N64
…just dropped 11 runs on 12 hits against the Pirates in the FIRST INNING. 7 Homers. 2 each by McGwire and Eric Davis…
Think Alan Benes can hold that lead?
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BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS
Hey Houston,
Suck it; you suck
is it the 2010 pirates?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
One can only hope....Here's the final box score....
STL: 56/67/1 5LoB
PIT: 1/5/1 4LoB
Edgar Renteria: 7-10, 6 R, 2 RBI (6 2B)
Ray Lakford: 10-10, 10 R, 13 RBI (4 2B, 6 HR)
Eric Davis: 10-10, 10 R, 14 RBI (10 HR)
Mark McGwire: 7-10, 6 R, 5 RBI (5HR)
JD Drew: 10-10, 8 R, 5 RBI (2 2B, 5 HR)
Fernando Tatis: 8-10, 6 R, 7 RBI (1 2B, 4 HR)
Eli Marerro: 7-10, 4 R, 5 RBI (2 2B, 3 HR)
Carlos Baerga: 6-9, 4 R, 5 RBI (3 2B, 3 HR)
Alan Benes: 2-9, 2 R, 0 RBI (1 2B)
Benes: 9.0 IP, 5 H, 1 ER, 0 BB, 18 K
36 TEAM HOMERUNS
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BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS
Hey Houston,
Suck it; you suck
You really toned it down after the first inning
by LandSickness on Apr 27, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Not really.....
11, 7, 2, 2, 10, 0, 6, 6, 12
Poured it on at the end ’cause they ran out of pitchers…He was pitching with zero stamina. Mind you they were using their closer in the 6th
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BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS
Hey Houston,
Suck it; you suck
Still, I'm fascinated at 10-for-10 with 10 dingers....I'd probably poop my pants if that happened in the real world.
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BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS
Hey Houston,
Suck it; you suck
I'd poop my pants at 6 for 6 with 6
Because the world is probably ending at some point later that evening.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
i do not at all remember this carlos baerga.
guess he was one of the many rotating 2Bs?
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
The game was based off of 1999 offseason rosters, so Baerga was a Card, even though we released him pre-season
And Vina was a Brewer
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BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS
Hey Houston,
Suck it; you suck
'cause pre-internets on consoles, you couldn't update on the fly?
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BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS
Hey Houston,
Suck it; you suck
Just wait to finalize the rosters at ST and get the game out a month later.
I mean Vina wasn’t a last minute Redbird in 2000.
he was pretty good at one time
i think it was cleveland, he was sort of an uggla.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Milkwaukee, I believe?
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BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS
Hey Houston,
Suck it; you suck
HFS
Sorry for the twitter binge, but HFS
BJRains
The Cardinals have signed Aaron Miles to a minor league deal.
"...and pujols has given st louis the lead"
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I for some reason think this is awesome.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
Yeah awesome in the hysterical way.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
News?
It was given once he got his release from Cincy.
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
OMFG WHY???
you know he’s up here by june.
btw, fuck you for scooping me on the twitter news all day.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 27, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
By June?
I doubt it takes that long.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Hmm...Lopez "elbow" injury...
Miles’ minor league deal…
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
CONSPIRACY!
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by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 27, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
No way.
Lopez’s curve was knee-buckling.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I miss Schoolyard.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
grittily.
Chris Carpenter doesn't give a fuck about your fantasy team.
by Felonius_Monk on Apr 28, 2010 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions
oh jesus christ
he is a bit eccentric
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 27, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
GRIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT!!!!
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BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS
Hey Houston,
Suck it; you suck
You know, considering all the stories
about Miles being deeply depressed about having to leave the Cards, I’m actually happy for him.
That’s not to say that I want him anywhere near the major league roster, of course.
"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols
And, on that note,
if Stav and Miles are put into the game at the same time, how much of the St. Louis area would be sucked into the resulting black hole?
"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols
Can we clone an entire team of Milevinohas?
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BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS
Hey Houston,
Suck it; you suck
You're the photoshop guy.
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
miles and fat miles
on tour together – coming to a venue near you.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I can see for miles and miles and miles.....
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Apr 27, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
he should be a River Bandit for the rest of his career
heh
he is a bit eccentric
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 27, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
i never heard those stories
that’s actually really sad.
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
"Deeply" might be overstating things.
I just remember seeing something (on VEB, if I remember correctly) about how some Cards fans came across Miles in a bar after he’d been traded, and he was just going on and on about how much he missed St. Louis and the fans, and how much it sucked that he wasn’t a Card anymore.
"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols
I remember reading that
And I think it also said he was depressed, drinking a lot, and having family problems? or something like that. I also remember the whole thing being called into question because someone pointed out how fishy the article/story was. I could be misremembering, I do drink a lot.
He wasn't traded.
He signed an absurd FA contract with Chicago.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
to sabotage the cubs.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
No.
Jim Hendry is the saboteur.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
that would make too much sense
he is a bit eccentric
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 27, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
thus the depression
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
"Why can't I quit you?" - Tony La Russa to Aaron Miles
2010 St. Louis Cardinals - Sinkers and Dingers
by jd is legend on Apr 27, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
btw, need photoshop NOW
/looks at vexed
2010 St. Louis Cardinals - Sinkers and Dingers
by jd is legend on Apr 27, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm picturing tony with miles sitting on his knee
he is a bit eccentric
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 27, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
whose knee did colby sit on again, yadi2?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
i have a vague memory of whispering
and then it all gets fuzzy
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
however, they say he has a soulmate, so it's a moot point.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
seriously, when he was a kid
wasn’t there a story about him having sat on aaron’s, or somebody’s, knee – i hope it was aaron – take that heyward!
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
it was Junior.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
we play the m's this year, don't we?
a reunion.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
LFJA;LFJASKFA
probably going to that game, too.
oh. oh noooo.
(well, for one thing, he’d probably break his remaining knee)
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
junior: ahh, ahh, not that one colby
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
He wants a pony
2010 St. Louis Cardinals - Sinkers and Dingers
by jd is legend on Apr 27, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Brokeback Tony
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BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS
Hey Houston,
Suck it; you suck
by vexedtechie on Apr 27, 2010 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
That's effin disturbing.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Apr 27, 2010 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Look man...I just did what I was told to do.
I’m not responsible for it…
Also, you want disturbing? I don’t remember the context, but here ya go…Puppykicker in Drag.
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BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS
Hey Houston,
Suck it; you suck
by vexedtechie on Apr 27, 2010 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
less disturbing
much less.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Oh my goodness.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
That is just funny.
That picture will never get old to me.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Apr 27, 2010 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions
like all great works of art
perhaps it should be loaned out to the KC branch?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Ew.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
Is that a Brokeback reference I spot?
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BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS
Hey Houston,
Suck it; you suck
Indeed
Get on it
/the photoshop, that is
//no pun intended
2010 St. Louis Cardinals - Sinkers and Dingers
by jd is legend on Apr 27, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Felt the need to post this before I start....
Haha
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BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS
Hey Houston,
Suck it; you suck
Fat Miles vs. Miles.
wow.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
original vs. deep dish
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Apr 27, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
We don't need this horse shit around!
Let’s get rid of it and replace it with dog shit!
2010 St. Louis Cardinals - Sinkers and Dingers
by jd is legend on Apr 27, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions
hopefully so he can retire as a "redbird."
by Willie McGee's Twin on Apr 27, 2010 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions
jason larue plans to retire as a "redneck"
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Apr 27, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i've always wanted more below replacement level players in the system!
i’m all for this news!
follow me on twitter @nickg105
by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 27, 2010 4:18 PM EDT reply actions
Shut up, buzzkill.
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BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS
Hey Houston,
Suck it; you suck
no shit
can’t we celebrate his return?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
i plan on stopping by a waffle house on the way home to celebrate
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Apr 27, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Slightly OT:
When did google start scrolling twitter responses in a search result?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
as long as i can remember.
follow me on twitter @nickg105
by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 27, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Hi, I'm Dory.
"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols
by splhcb67 on Apr 27, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i was joking
but i believe it’s been awhile. at least six months.
follow me on twitter @nickg105
by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 27, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I generally don't consider myself a sadist, but...
I went over to Talking Chop and watched their 2nd open thread from last night unfold…. that was fun. I feel dirty now.
"If I'm in a slump, I ask myself for advice" - Ichiro
Yes. A six game losing streak makes for an angry blogospace
"If I'm in a slump, I ask myself for advice" - Ichiro
they are not liking their chances tonight
our threads were reversed last night – i’d rather be giddy at the end.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
They should obviously move Hudson and Jurrjens to the bullpen.
This message approved by BCB.
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
by TBender on Apr 27, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
AND WHAT WILL THE STAT HEADS SAY IF IT WORKS???// LOL
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Apr 27, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
the graph sorta gave up, though
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
dogging it.
Chris Carpenter doesn't give a fuck about your fantasy team.
by Felonius_Monk on Apr 28, 2010 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions
There was actually a user name I really liked in one of their threads
“McCann and McWill”
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Damn you and your
I can go to a game any time I want.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I will never watch that show
even if I did I would watch baseball instead
he is a bit eccentric
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 27, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
that's what I told myself
Then there was this girl..well long story short, she and I no longer speak, but it’s the only thing I watch on TV other than sports.
(wink nudge, they’re all available streaming online legally for free, and you don’t even have to worry about week to week wait periods!)
it's from abc
no way I’m watching that
he is a bit eccentric
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 27, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
It's a re-run this week!
(Insert Your Own Joke)
by AWolfAtTheDoor on Apr 27, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
i sincerely hope you're joking
otherwise i’m going to shit a brick and probably break something. been looking forward to tonight for days.
Re-run City
If you ever want to know if “Lost” is a repeat:
http://islostarepeat.com/
Jobu needs a refill
No more repeats after today by the way
(Insert Your Own Joke)
by AWolfAtTheDoor on Apr 27, 2010 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Off the Wall Conspiracy Theroy!:
Phillies only look like they’re giving Howard that much cash, but in reality, the franchise can actually accurately evaluate a players value, and he’s getting an reasonable salary +a little on top to go along with the story the front office leaked. All to raise market value and screw over the compition.
I’m reminded of the Braves scouting Heward from the bushes.
Anybody? Anybody?
Okay not likely, but if this was the NFL… then maybe.
"There's a lot of things we say that don't make sense to our viewers. Okay, primarily me." ~Al Hrabosky~
I think they thought that they would sign Howard for that large contract
and then pass him off to us in a trade, thus effectively miring down their main competitor in the NL
he is a bit eccentric
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 27, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed on the NFL
Like — it would make some sense for the Rams to sign Bradford to a ridiculous contract because then every team that wants to sign a franchised QB OR franchise their QB would then have that contract stipulated to certain terms by an average that’s been bumped up by Bradford’s ridiculous contract. And…..this is why the NFL is heading towards a lockout when the players get tired of this shit, lol.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
we should try that to break up the soviet union
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
lineup
skip
luddy
pujols
holliday
colby
yadi
freese
carp
boog
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
Wait...pitcher back to 8th???
"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols
in preparation for the return of miles
what, did you think he was gonna bat eighth? let’s get those pitchers accustomed now to their new place in the order – details.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
DAMMIT!
follow me on twitter @nickg105
by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 27, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Albert bats 4th!
But now Holliday is 5th Colby is 6th after the first time through.
You can read it in any tone you like.
we're gonna need a bigger herd
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
goold was amused but nicer
http://twitter.com/dgoold/status/12964324930
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
retro night, eh?
can we borrow rick ankiel to K in a high leverage situation?
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
lineup
skip
lud
pujols
holliday
ras
molina
freese
CARP
ryan
first miles, now p hitting 8th? I CAN’T HANDLE IT!
follow me on twitter @nickg105
by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 27, 2010 4:50 PM EDT reply actions
less than a minute later?
follow me on twitter @nickg105
by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 27, 2010 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions
It's not duration that counts, it's quality.
That’s not what she said.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
before midnight, anyway.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
VEB: There's a party in our basement, and no-one's invited!
Chris Carpenter doesn't give a fuck about your fantasy team.
by Felonius_Monk on Apr 28, 2010 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
dammit dammit dammit
Adam Wainwright just answered all our concerns!!
/cj beatty
it was on that * Rome’s show. i didn’t catch enough of it, and sbn effed me over.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Jim Rome
is an * among *s. Should probably use a different typographical symbol to fully capture the depths of Rome’s *itude.
it was everything, yo. how much Albert wants to stay. all that good stuff.
it helps that Adam was smiling charmingly.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Must have been the FESPN schtick....
sorry for the bad link below.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Harsh, pj.
Really harsh when it’s all spelled out like that.
You can read it in any tone you like.
by spants on Apr 27, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
don't be an asterisk about it
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Apr 27, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't see
Adam listed anywhere as a guest. But it looks like the shows are archived.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
FOUND
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=5140708&categoryid=2963048
someone grab it out before fespn kills it…..
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Who is running behind him?
I’ve got a blurry paused pic…I think it’s Bombs. 3:30 mark
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
so about this albert thing
I mean… aren’t a lot of the people who firmly believe that pujols is gone cause we won’t be able to afford him forgetting that Mozeliak and BDJ might have an idea in mind about all of this? I have to believe that all of this was discussed ad nauseum before the holliday signing. From everything I have read and heard Dewitt understands that losing Pujols is a huge loss to the organization not just from a baseball standpoint, but from a major PR standpoint as well. Am I giving the braintrust too much credit here?
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Apr 27, 2010 4:53 PM EDT reply actions
Thanks
I just don’t understand all of the armchair quarterbacking here… or maybe it should be arm chair TLR’ing
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Apr 27, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
People wanna talk and that is perfectly valid.
Albert is going to make his money, but he won’t get more than A-Rod. I was already under the assumption that he would get $25M, so I’m not sweating a bit more. First, it’s not MY money we’re spending. And second, I think the current ownership realizes they own one of the most storied and successful franchises in MLB. They’re not going to ruin it or royally piss off the fans.
You can read it in any tone you like.
by spants on Apr 27, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's fine for people to talk cause I love it when good baseball discussion happens
but this, like the mcgwire signing, almost has people going insane… i just sit back and let things happen… its easier that way
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Apr 27, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
they gotta boost the intangibles somehow
surely there is a correlation between having exhorbitant (sp?) amounts of grit in the organization and success right?
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Apr 27, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
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that looks suspiciously... british
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Nothing a little 'shopping can't fix
I’ll leave it to DJ Vexedtechie to put Albert’s head under that crown.
Jobu needs a refill
My bad; just saw this post....on it.
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BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS
Hey Houston,
Suck it; you suck
better hope they're paying you overtime
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Acceptable?
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BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS
Hey Houston,
Suck it; you suck
by vexedtechie on Apr 27, 2010 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions 9 recs
I like King Albert a lot more than K'ing Albert
I DON'T GIVE A FUCK!
by mattyfrommo on Apr 27, 2010 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
man, that's really good
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Stubled across the picture; seemed PERFECT.
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BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS
Hey Houston,
Suck it; you suck
stumbled**
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BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS
Hey Houston,
Suck it; you suck
yeah, the choice was superb
and the work, as always, excellent.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Not pleased with the crown's quality/artifacts, but it was a quick job...
…didn’t feel like vectorizin’ it.
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BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS
Hey Houston,
Suck it; you suck
This is great...I might try to do one too
But you my friend…you are the gold standard.
Jobu needs a refill
you know a picture of Kevin Bacon in Animal House would be even better
“ALL IS WELL!!!!”
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Apr 27, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
NOTHING IS F*CKED?
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Apr 27, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Shut the F*ck up Donny!!
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Apr 27, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
makes it moar fun
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Apr 27, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions
it's more
I feel like a complete VEB’er now.
My life is complete, the GOBs may take me anytime they wish.
I DON'T GIVE A FUCK!
I bet you anything heaven will have ways to quantify grit and clutchiness
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Apr 27, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously?
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
um....
yes
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Apr 27, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
...
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
by RiverRat on Apr 27, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
it's just people freaking out and hyperventilating, fredbird
I will be surprised if he doesn’t re-sign, it’s not as if we have an incompetant front office
he is a bit eccentric
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 27, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
yup
probably after that too
he is a bit eccentric
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 27, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
+a zillion
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Apr 27, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Just a heads up
It appears you can get tickets to the entire Arizona series in late June can be gotten for $4.50 if you sit in Big Mac Land.
ichiro contract
i think thats what the birds should do just mores cash probably..
This guys so good(Pujols) He should be illegal-Pirates announcers
Quite honestly I'd just offer him an ownership stake in the team after he retires
“Albert we cannot pay you and field a competitive team… but we can make you even more wildy rich than you already are”
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Apr 27, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
can't do that huh?
I must confess i don’t know what the CBA states… I’m just pulling stuff out of my ass
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Apr 27, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
The Royals did this with Brett, actually
lifetime contract with a 2% ownership stake after he retired, before the 1995 CBA agreement abolished the practice.
Probably a good thing too, because lifetime contracts would totally fuck over some franchises who’s ownership are a bunch of total morons*.
*This may or may not include Cubs ownership.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
correction
*This may or may not include means Cubs ownership.
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Apr 27, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
the mariners
gave ichiro some absurd contract that pays him for like a long time after hes done playing…i suggest the same with Apu but as i said above we have him till at least 2011
This guys so good(Pujols) He should be illegal-Pirates announcers
ha
baseball had to protect itself from its owners?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
We talked aboot this a couple of months ago....
Looking for link….But the player that got the chunk of the team, was traded, causing all sorts of headaches. IIRC it isn’t specifically against the CBA, but needs Commissioner approval, or something to that effect. I’m looking for the previous conversation.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Y2S do you remember this?
I’m having crap luck finding it.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Found it
2 subthreads, and all4tookie link to a Calcaterra article aboot the Hornsby clusterfuck.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
yup
I remember the discussion now.
I thought this had something to do with the CBA, but now that I think about it, it may have been dealing with “lifetime contracts” that I was thinking of, since there’s no distinct compensation for “lifetime” and that term itself is ambiguous in a monetary sense.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Plus Marge Schott would have just had people killed.
by Mister Eff on Apr 27, 2010 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
best comment ever
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
imagine Soriano and Zambrano owning the Cubs
by madridbend on Apr 27, 2010 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
i just did
thank you so much.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."