They can't hit, but neither can they
For once, at least, the Cardinals' problem wasn't leaving too many runners on base; it was not putting runners on base, and then not driving them in. It's not often I say this, but after a few games like that I miss the runners left on base. But take a look at these small, ill-gotten sample sizes: through the Cardinals' five series two-out-of-three streak they scored 75 runs while hitting .251/.330/.438, which the roughest version of Runs Created estimates at 78 runs. Even hitting .219/.276/.281 during the Giants series yields seven RC in 96 at-bats, instead of the three that they actually got.
Well, no matter—until the basement-watching cabal finally passes legislation positing that the game really is played on paper we have to deal with offenses that underperform and overperform their perfect, beautiful robot counterparts. With the exception of Brendan Ryan, whose .250/.344/.357 line since the 20-inning game (and breaking the .100 BA Al Leiter line) is acceptable but no slump-buster, and Yadier Molina, whose .245 BABIP is even lower than his speed suggests it should be, there aren't yet any pieces of the offense that are worrying in isolation; all there is to do, aside from forfeiting games against left-handers who do not throw very hard, is wait for the pieces to interact better with each other.
Luckily for the Cardinals, the Giants' hitting problems are more structural; only Pablo Sandoval is a sure bet to be a better hitter than his positional average, and the starting lineup as currently constructed is startlingly reliant on thirtysomethings with question marks. Mark DeRosa patching left, Bengie Molina holding a prospect's spot at catcher, Aubrey Huff and Edgar Renteria coming off underwhelming seasons—this is the kind of bad offense the Cardinals, in signing Matt Holliday, ensured they could never have again; if the team fails to hit between now and 2016, it'll be with young players who aren't ready.
As for Brad Penny—it's just fun to watch him pitch like this. Like Joel Pineiro he's home run lucky despite throwing everything inside the strike zone; unlike Joel Pineiro, he is one of the five hardest throwers in baseball. I'd like to see his strikeout rate a little higher as the season progresses, but the pieces are already there; he's getting more swinging strikes than his career averages, and he's certainly throwing enough strikes to begin with.
The difference, to this point, has as much to do with batters getting themselves out before two strikes are on the board as it does with getting fewer strikeouts when the time comes; the 15 strikeouts he has in 46 two-strike plate appearances is, at 33%, only barely lower than his career rate, but the 46 two-strike plate appearances in 109 plate appearances overall is six percent lower than he's seen in his career. With so few deep counts—he's allowed three balls in just 12 plate appearances—there aren't a lot of strikeout chances to go around. As his walk rate creeps up from Mathewson levels, so will the strikeouts.
After the jump, another game of series-opening Five Questions, this time with Scott, aka mvhsbball, of Braves sister-blog Talking Chop. You'll find my answers to his questions here.
1. Much has been made of Jason Heyward's great start and Melky Cabrera's terrible start. What do you think the Braves' outfield will look like in May?
As of May? I think it'll look pretty similar to how it has looked in the month of April. Heyward has been in RF since day 1 and will continue to be there. As for CF and LF, I think we'll continue to see the 3 man platoon of Matt Diaz, Melky Cabrera and Nate McLouth out there. I don't really see the Braves making a deal for an Outfielder in the near future, but no one really saw the Nate McLouth trade coming either, did they?
2. Speaking of Melky Cabrera, what did you think about the Javier Vazquez deal?
The Vazquez deal was one that really threw non-Braves fans off, especially with Vazquez coming off a phenomenal season. Most fans think that Melky Cabrera was the big return for the Braves, but in reality it was the clearing of $12MM and stud prospect Arodys Vizcaino. The Braves used this money to essentially sign their closer, Billy Wagner, and set-up man, Takashi Saito, along with former Cardinal Troy Glaus. As for the trade itself, I wish we could've held onto Javy, but no one was willing to take Derek Lowe's nightmare of a contract and the Braves had to move a starting pitcher.
3. What do you think about Derek Lowe's chances of justifying his contract over the next three years?
Basically none. That contract (4yrs/60MM) is a nightmare and Lowe has already shown that he's a 37-year old who's quickly losing command of his pitches. I'd love it if the Braves could hand that fat contract off to another team, but really don't see it happening for at least another year.
4. What's the Braves' most worrying trend through April?
The offense and hitting in clutch situations. The Braves came into Monday's game with the lowest team average in baseball and don't really hit the longball either. There have been bright spots in the lineup like Martin Prado and Jason Heyward (with the exception of the past few games), but almost all of our hitters are hitting way below their career average. Another issue for the Braves' offense has been production from their leadoff hitters. As of yesterday, the leadoff hitters have hit .062. That's pretty bad.
5. Finally, are you tired of hearing about Jason Heyward yet? Because I wouldn't be.
This is a really good question. Do I get tired of hearing grown men on ESPN and MLB Network drool over our 20-year old rookie? Of course not. I could listen to it all day. But when I hear "experts" comparing Heyward to some of the greatest hitters in baseball history such as Hank Aaron and Ted Williams, I just shake my head. These are some of the greatest players in the 120 year history of Major League Baseball and they're comparing them to Heyward after three exciting weeks? That's just silly. Could Heyward turn into one of the best hitters in baseball? You bet. He has the work ethic, desire and skills to become a truly incredible player. But to hear comparisons to legends like Aaron and Williams is a bit much.
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What? Where is everyone????
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Apr 26, 2010 5:23 PM EDT reply actions
I assume
you’re talking about Craig to Memphis, and Jay up for his cup-a? Also, Lopex to the DL and Greenie back up, too? Will we miss Lugo for a few days?
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Apr 26, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
i like the moves on the whole.
I’d rather see stav down than craig, but maybe there’s some logic to it. Like showcasing stav for a trade.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
by tom s. on Apr 26, 2010 7:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
wonder how many times stav and trade have been mentioned in the same comment
since the roster was set…
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I hear the Giants need somebody to replace Chris Duncan
by DanUpBaby on Apr 26, 2010 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
c'mon people, why isn't this green?
Don't ping my cheese with your bandwidth.
by RosevilleRedbird on Apr 26, 2010 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions
hahaha
"...and pujols has given st louis the lead"
The Best Defensive Play I Have Seen in Person
follow me on teh twitterz @greenfieldt
The big news is obviously
Howard’s 5-year, $125 M extension. Take this and add it to Mauer’s contract and Teixeira’a contract, and what do we think Pujols is gonna re-sign for now?
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Apr 26, 2010 5:25 PM EDT reply actions
That contract is awful
Yikes, and it kicks in after 2011 when his current 3yr/54 million contract ends.
I suppose it will have some impact on future Pujols’ contract, but then again Pujols in WAR terms is equal to 1.5 Howards + 1.5 Teixeras, so who knows what number Albert will get (or I guess how many millions over 25 it’ll be).
Jobu needs a refill
so about $125,000
per strikeout, huh? Not a bad gig, if you can get it.
by mattyp on Apr 26, 2010 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
How horrible of a contract is that?
Really? The second highest contract in baseball? For a guy who plays a mediocre 1st base – one of the easiest positions to play (I say one of the easiest because DH is still an actual position in the majors for some reason) – is a three true outcomes player, and is on the wrong side of thirty?
Geez. Not good for the Phils’ future…
That could very well turn out to be one of the worst contracts in baseball in 2 or 3 years.
Chris Carpenter doesn't give a fuck about your fantasy team.
by Felonius_Monk on Apr 27, 2010 4:12 AM EDT up reply actions
to clarify
2 or 3 years into the deal, which is in about 4-5 years actual time as his current deal still has another 2 years to run.
Ryan Howard, the overweight Ryan Howard, will be a 37-year old, earning $25m in the last year of that contract, if he’s still even playing baseball at 37. Howard, so far (and in his peak years), has been worth $25m precisely once in his career.
Oh, but at least there’s a team option for $23m to take him through to 38. So that’d good.
Holy shit that is a dreadful deal.
Chris Carpenter doesn't give a fuck about your fantasy team.
by Felonius_Monk on Apr 27, 2010 4:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh, and
they couldn’t afford $9m to keep Cliff Lee this year and run out the best playoff rotation in baseball, crushing everyone in the path to the world series whilst they have 4 or 5 genuine star players at their peak, but they could afford to give Ryan Howard about fourteen times that amount of money to (presumably) be an overweight, crappy first baseman on a team that’s well outside its actual winning window.
Looking at the context, I think this is actually the worst deal in baseball, bar none. Even worse than Soriano.
Chris Carpenter doesn't give a fuck about your fantasy team.
by Felonius_Monk on Apr 27, 2010 4:22 AM EDT up reply actions
tell him it's JAIME GARCIA
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Weirdly enough, he got it right on first mention and then messed it up from then on
After Jair Jurrjens I’d think any pitcher’s name would be easy to spell and remember.
The good thing about Jason Heyward
Jose Reyes is now no longer the most exciting player in baseball.
I am glad this thread came into being
the other one is turning into yet another " I KNOW MORE THAN YOU!" one.
I DON'T GIVE A FUCK!
by mattyfrommo on Apr 26, 2010 5:40 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
tell it like it is much, matty?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
So, Ryan Howard, eh?
Howard (age 26): .313/.425/.659
Vaughn (age 26): .310/.408/.576
Howard (age 27): .268/.392/.584
Vaughn (age 27): .300/.388/.575
Howard (age 28): .251/.339/.543
Vaughn (age 28): .326/.420/.583
Howard (age 29): .279/.360/.571
Vaughn (age 29): .315/.420/.560
I loved the Greg Vaughn thing
I wanted so badly to see the Ray Lankford/Greg Vaughn Three True Outcomes platoon come to pass.
I linked in the other thread,
so have I nexdef’d myself? But Calcaterra rips the contract pretty well with some other historical comps. Definitely worth a read.
He’s big and he’s slow and despite that extra work he’s put in, it’s more likely than not that he’s going to age poorly.
Don’t believe me? Here’s a list of Ryan Howard’s most comparable players through age 29 — his age for the 2009 season — according to Baseball-Reference.com: Richie Sexson, Cecil Fielder, Mo Vaughn, Willie McCovey, David Ortiz, Tony Clark, Mark McGwire, Carlos Delgado, Fred McGriff and Norm Cash. The only two guys on that list who didn’t fall off a cliff before age 36 are McCovey and McGriff, and they were a heck of lot skinnier than even Ryan Howard v.2.0 is. The rest of those names should constitute nightmare fuel for Phillies fans.
Further fueling a nightmare would be including Mo Vaughn on the list. But, Mo Vaughn was such a better hitter than Howard is (going by average) that Vaughn is not a top 10 historical comp.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
so no way they can resign werth, right?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I don't think so.
A friend and I were discussing this earlier. Of course, as a late bloomer, Werth will be 32 next season, so that might not be the worst thing in the world (which Howard’s extension just might edge out Soriano’s contract to be).
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
4 years 50 mil for werth still looks a lot better than...many contracts
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I actually think they'll re-sign Werth
and have planned on doing so all offseason. They traded away a good outfield prospect in the Halladay trade. I’m not sure they would have done that if they didn’t have intentions of keeping Werth in town for the next few seasons.
My guess? They offer him a 4 year deal worth $50M or so and he takes it.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
good guess
and where do the phils get all this money? talking chop answers:
“Must be nice knowing that 20 mil a year won’t cripple your club. I am guessing they get money because their fans actually attend the game, eat and drink tons of stuff and promptly vomit all over the nearest small child.”
by DogDaysofSummer
(i see you’re around, dog days, so let me just say we’re all on the same page when it comes to phillie fans)
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Fixed
we’re all on the same page when it comes to phillie Philly fans.
Let’s make sure we include the Eagles, Sixers, and Flyers. I don’t think much of any fans in Philadelphia actually.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
i could go with that
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
You can read better than I can.
How embarassing.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
It's really not that embrassing that I can read better.
Think of it like coming in second in a race against Usain Bolt.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Apr 26, 2010 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions
And it's not only not embrassing, it's not embarassing either.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Apr 26, 2010 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I apologize
That was a terrible comment. I did not mean that you being a better reader was embarrassing. I meant that my inability to read was embarrassing. Sorry.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Apr 26, 2010 7:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
ROFLCOPTER
2010 St. Louis Cardinals - Sinkers and Dingers
by jd is legend on Apr 26, 2010 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions
The question is:
Is it worth being in salary hell at the end of that contract if you win the pennant 3 of the next 4 years AND win at least 1 more World Series?
Clearly the Phillies think that it is. They’re going to get killed on the last 3 years of this deal, I’m sure of it, but they’re going all-in to try and keep the band together while adding awesome pieces to it every year (Lee, Halladay, etc.)
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
what i was wondering.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
That's a great question...
The way the deal went down, I wonder if some exec in the Philly front office didn’t look at the deal, hungover, the day after they completed it and go: “Hey, wait just a minut…..” and then go running down the hall towards the GM’s office.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
by fourstick on Apr 26, 2010 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Can you foresee the future?
Because that won’t happen til tomorrow!
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Apr 26, 2010 7:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
they have to mull it over first
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
maybe it is, maybe it isn't
but the timing on the deal is absolutely horrible, they still had him locked up for this year and next and there was absolutely no reason to sign him to an extension, especially an extension that they didnt even get any type of discount on.
I agree, although it doesn't look like Howard is teetering of the cliff yet
I’d have still waited until this current deal was winding down before I’d offer him a new one.
Does this contract show that the Phil’s front office really does think he is every bit as good as Pujols?
I DON'T GIVE A FUCK!
thus the internal discussions?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
we could ask Al
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Lineups per Leach
Cardinals
1. Schumaker 2B
2. Ludwick RF
3. Pujols 1B
4. Holliday LF
5. Rasmus CF
6. Molina C
7. Freese 3B
8. Ryan SS
9. Lohse P
Braves
1. Escobar SS
2. Prado 2B
3. Jones 3B
4. McCann C
5. Glaus 1B
6. Heyward RF
7. Cabrera LF
8. McLouth CF
9. Hudson P
And from Maraceks Twitter…The Chief Justice is wearing #15
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
But...that's what Holli...errrr...Edmo....errrr
Jon Jay – The next premier outfielder.
Oh yeah.
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BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS
Hey Houston,
Suck it; you suck
Every time I see that lineup,
I actually think to myself how much I like it.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Needs more Felipe.
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
The DL got a lot sexier today.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
by ClemsonGirl on Apr 26, 2010 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm sorry.
I missed the Floppy as sex symbol discussion. Out of curiosity, I have to ask if the neck tattoo is a contributing factor in Lopez’s sex appeal.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Not for me.
But I’m sure to others.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
Fair enough.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
So....floppy is sexy?
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BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS
Hey Houston,
Suck it; you suck
Yes.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
....but floppy just doesn't get the job done.
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BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS
Hey Houston,
Suck it; you suck
I thought we decided on Flip.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
I never capitalized anything.
No proper nouns were used in my wording.
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BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS
Hey Houston,
Suck it; you suck
Do you have a mouse in your pocket,
or are you using the Royal we now too?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I thought VEB was calling him Flip.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
VEB is.....
…i made no mention of any names. I simply asked…“floppy is sexy?”
To which you responded in the affirmative.
The joke is dead now.
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BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS
Hey Houston,
Suck it; you suck
I got it.
But I had no response.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
I'm pretty okay with the .300-hitting Freese.
After all, the XBHs are going to start manifesting themselves sometime in the near future, and that will make this lineup all the better.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Felipe is better than Skip in my view
but Skip probably plays (or eventually will play) better D than Felipe atm.
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
Actually
I think Skip is a better hitter against RHP than Felipe, but I don’t think the Skippy’s defense will ever be as good as second as Felipe’s, in terms of being able to pick it.
Now, in terms of doing the little things right, like APPLYING A FUCKING TAG, Skip has him beat into submission.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Agreed
I think Skip is a better baseball player, if that’s the right term, but Lopez is the better hitter overall, in my view.
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
ditto
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
by tom s. on Apr 26, 2010 7:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
the weird part is how often we've seen it this year
maybe Tony’s lineup machinations are an indication of how confident he feels in his roster.
Or lack of machinations?
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Apr 26, 2010 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions
You should start a petition
Clearly, the front office knows about you and your player preferences.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
I'm thinking he hasn't crawled out of
that bottle of bourbon yet.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
that seems to be our most usual lineup
me likey
he is a bit eccentric
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 26, 2010 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Glad to see that lots of VEBers have been voting on their poll
The poll at the Braves SBN site has the Cardinals winning the series. I think this may be more of an exercise in which team has the higher active membership rather than which team has the higher chance of winning the series, though I think the Cards will win!
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
They think we have 600 comments just about Felipe Lopez.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
Atlanta has lost five straight
and looked terrible in the process. There might be some of that voting as a result from Braves fans.
by Michael_68_1999 on Apr 26, 2010 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions
i think you're right
considering a recent front-page post was devoted to quelling the negativity. this exchange gives you the general idea:
“Thank you for saying this.. perhaps we can have a separate gameday thread for the cut-and-run-with-90%-of-the-season-left folks… although I fear a mass suicide. The question then becomes.. would anyone try to stop them?”
by BMacAttack
“Hell of an idea, a positive thread and a negative thread. How about we all sign an agreement that if we whine unendingly we accept a 7 day ban once the Braves win 8 out of a 10 game stretch.”
by bighop
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
i was going to link it in the other thread
but when i came back over here dan had this one up.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
By the way
Titcombs(Dan) 21-8-10
Sweeds(Me) 19-8-12
Dan is in first place, but I will catch him…….
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
NCADFR.OYE
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
IDKWTFTGDACPSF;SIWMOLTTWWUITPP
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BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS
Hey Houston,
Suck it; you suck
i was thinking results, but record fits as well
i was paraphrasing (can you do that in this new language form?) RR, so i figured he knew what i meant.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I udderly wrecked moocow a few weeks ago.
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
the commish in first place
hmmmmm
j/k
he is a bit eccentric
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 26, 2010 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions
He snuck that "GO BRAVES" in right under your last answer
Made it look like you said it, not him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHoNWwhzh3M
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No one is under the impression the he said it.
That’s how that dude end’s all of his series previews.
by DogDaysofSummer on Apr 26, 2010 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I know, it was tongue-in-cheek
Also, just wanted a reason to post the clip
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by jd is legend on Apr 26, 2010 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions
So at the Braves blog they say they would take Manny, Kemp, and Ethier over Colby, Holliday, and Ludwick.
Would you?
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
Manny's on the DL, isn't he?
So, right now, I’d take our OF.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Apr 26, 2010 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions
hm
so they’d take the Dodgers one, two and three over our two, three and four? and it’s a close call?
i’m okay with that.
by longhornscardinals on Apr 26, 2010 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Just outfielders
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by jd is legend on Apr 26, 2010 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions
probably still pretty close to their 1-2-3
maybe Loney/Martin is in there…
by longhornscardinals on Apr 26, 2010 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe not
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
you're right.
i was just being nice to them. they always look so happy. or not.
by longhornscardinals on Apr 26, 2010 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Loney is deeply mediocre
I think he’s about their worst full-time starter.
Martin’s not very good either.
Chris Carpenter doesn't give a fuck about your fantasy team.
by Felonius_Monk on Apr 27, 2010 4:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Tough call
I’d go with the Cardinals, plus, Either and Kemp are going to get expensive real quick, and Manny makes 20 million at the moment.
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
^ the right answer
"...and pujols has given st louis the lead"
The Best Defensive Play I Have Seen in Person
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yeah, i'd say right this moment it's a push
but going forward…of course they probably don’t have manny next year. (and right now he’s on the DL, so i guess, on second thought, i’d take ours right now – we win!)
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I don't get it.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
?
wut
"...and pujols has given st louis the lead"
The Best Defensive Play I Have Seen in Person
follow me on teh twitterz @greenfieldt
It means you push all of them
and whichever group of players has less guys to fall down is the better pick
by LandSickness on Apr 26, 2010 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh.
I’d never heard that before.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
pretty obscure decision making technique
by LandSickness on Apr 26, 2010 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions
But it's how we won the Spanish-American war.
by Mister Eff on Apr 26, 2010 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
really?
i thought it was relevant only to baseball, like ducksnort and baltimore chop.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
oh, now i know that game
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
CG, don't listen to these *
it’s a poker term, mostly used in blackjack. When you and the dealer finish with the same number on your cards, without going over 21, it’s often considered a tie, or a “push”. A very few casinos will consider a “push” a win for the customer, in order to try to lure more players to their blackjack tables, but I believe it’s more commonly considered a tie.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Apr 26, 2010 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I am very upset with everyone else for taking advantage of my lack of card playing knowledge.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
you're on notice, people.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
What else do you have lack of knowledge on?
by vivaelpujols on Apr 26, 2010 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Wouldn't you like to know.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
But it's a term that's mostly made its way into regular language
When I hear it, I don’t think cards
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by jd is legend on Apr 26, 2010 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I've never heard it before.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
Sorry about that
The opportunity was too apparent.
Won’t happen again
by LandSickness on Apr 26, 2010 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Have you ever played washers?
If so, what do you call it when both teams throw the same score and cancel each other out?
I do not play washers.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
Just remember not to get angry when someone beats you on the river.
Also be careful about chasing those inside straights after the flop.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
My dad taught me, when I was 3 or 4,
to never chase an inside straight. Best advice he’s ever given me.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I reckon
Holliday and Ramirez are perennial All-Star level talents. Kemp, Ethier, and Ludwick are all reasonably close together talent-wise, and Rasmus is one of those rare high-upside, cheap (for now), club-controlled guys.
But Manny turns 38 next month. I wonder how long he can keep hitting like a Hall of Famer. Over the long haul I take our boys, but it’s close.
Do the Dodgers have an heir apparent to Manny’s spot? Maybe this discussion should include that guy as well.
Kemp is a lot better than you think he is
by vivaelpujols on Apr 26, 2010 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions
re: Kemp
wasn’t trying to underrate him by grouping him with Ludwick & Ethier. That was more of a way of saying the two OFs are pretty similar talent-wise. Kemp would look pretty good wearing the Birds on the Bat….
Yeah
I think that Holliday is better than Manny by the same margin that Ethier is better than Ludwick (very little). I think that Kemp is better than Rasmus now, but only by a little bit.
by vivaelpujols on Apr 26, 2010 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions
is that taking defense into consideration?
I hear people say different things about Holliday’s defense, but Manny is pretty much universally considered a bad fielder….
The big knock on Rasmus so far (now that he’s raking) seems to be the arm.
Raz has a good arm I think
Actually, you are right. The gap between Manny and Holliday is larger than that between Ludwick and Etheir.
by vivaelpujols on Apr 26, 2010 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Holliday is quite a bit better than Manny
Holliday’s been a consistent 5-6 WAR guy the last 3-4 years (without looking it up).
With the exception of 2008, Manny’s not been a start player for about 6 years (in WAR terms), obviously mainly because of his crappy D, and he’s 38 and looking increasingly injury-prone. I think Holliday’s a lot better, anyhow.
Chris Carpenter doesn't give a fuck about your fantasy team.
by Felonius_Monk on Apr 27, 2010 4:47 AM EDT up reply actions
That should read
Manny’s not been a “star” player. He’s only broken 4 WAR once since 2003.
Chris Carpenter doesn't give a fuck about your fantasy team.
by Felonius_Monk on Apr 27, 2010 4:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Kemp is awesome.
Exponentially better than Ludwick. (Oh, how it pains me to type this…)
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Apr 26, 2010 7:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
And he looks half asleep all the time
Imagine how good he would be if he just drank a cup of coffee before every game…
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
He is a wizard.
Chris Carpenter doesn't give a fuck about your fantasy team.
by Felonius_Monk on Apr 27, 2010 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
I think they're about equal
although I’d probably lean towards the LA side on that one. I think we sort of know how good their three outfielders are, whereas Colby and Ludwick are more questionable – if they’re both the 3-4 win players they’ve looked so far this year, our outfield is definitely better.
Chris Carpenter doesn't give a fuck about your fantasy team.
by Felonius_Monk on Apr 27, 2010 4:43 AM EDT up reply actions
ot - SI has a great story about mike leake.
He’s pitching to stanford as a freshman and gives up four runs in the first two innings. Then he throws a shut out for the rest of the game.
Asked by a teammate what happened, leake said he was having a trouble getting lefties out, so he decided to start throwing a cutter. His teammate asked if he’d been working on it. Leake said, no, he’d just decided to try to throw a cutter in the third and it started cutting.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
by tom s. on Apr 26, 2010 7:20 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
JASON LARUE WITH T-SHIRT THAT SAYS "OHYEAH!"
it’s orange.
it’s… I think it’s an orange Kool-Aid shirt. someone find out.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
now on about his deep friendship with Carp.
I feel like I’m intruding on this private moment.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
...no, really, he's spending a good two minutes on this question.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
"It's killer instinct. [grins]"
and another two minutes.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I just missed Dennys Reyes in a wrestling mask.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I want to see that
he is a bit eccentric
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 26, 2010 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions
me too!
all I saw was it was green and white
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
was he swinging a six-foot sub menacingly?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
well they're showing wrestling legends footage right now, but that's for the convention center....
I only got a glimpse, srsly. it was the back of his head, though, so it did go all the way around.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Or has 671 become 671-1?
I am confused.
by Ghostrider520 on Apr 26, 2010 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions
noticed the
change when I turned on the tv. Usually they merge channels in the middle of the night.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
well that was worth the wait til after work
rec’d
he is a bit eccentric
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 26, 2010 7:44 PM EDT reply actions
inspiring feature on Yadi. etc.
where are all the “Yadi is a hottie” people? come on.
FSM should never, ever, use any fonts whatsoever.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Good Gob
Bobby Valentine might be the worst baseball guy ever on ESPN, and that’s really sayin’ something
I DON'T GIVE A FUCK!
he should always wear the groucho disguise
i’d take him more seriously
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
background music
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
that is the best footage of Clark, hahaha.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Will the Thrill, yeah?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Hot damn............
That’s impressive.
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
Glavine and Maddux were masters
at changing their position on the mound relative to where they were pitching the hitter. Glavine especially. He would move to one side to create a different angle toward home plate, effectively making an outside pitch that was 2 inches off the plate look like a strike.
Sounds like Anderson was trying something like that but that it wasn’t effective for him, at least this year.
I wish umpires would start enforcing the rule that states that entire foot must be in contact with the rubber.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Tony's brief comment on Lopez
I didn’t really listen, it was mostly “he only needs a little time”, but he was kneading that fungo bat.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
He can swing left-handed, but can't throw.
by Ghostrider520 on Apr 26, 2010 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions
he at least they see he's hurt
and didnt let him sit on the bench waisting a spot for weeks when they could DL him…btu that never happens
This guys so good(Pujols) He should be illegal-Pirates announcers
+ a million
man, at least Lopez isn’t being run out there everyday for two months and stinking it up, only for the club to finally admit he’s hurt in freaking July as he goes for season-ending surgery. If he’s hurt in April, no big deal; DL him and get Memphis on the phone.
I am encouraged that they’re not trying to simply bluster their way thru this like they have in years past.
I thought you meant Tony, for a second.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
um no
haha speakign of the past..Rolen, Ank..
This guys so good(Pujols) He should be illegal-Pirates announcers
We're not here to talk about the past.
by Ghostrider520 on Apr 26, 2010 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i knew when i posted it
that someone would say that
This guys so good(Pujols) He should be illegal-Pirates announcers
Re: McCann v. Molina
Danup, let me remind you of this. Yes, his defense is mostly unquantifiable statistically, but really, all you have to do is put together a highlight reel (Yadi2, time to get on this), and you won’t have to “quantify” it, you’ll have the proof in front of your eyes.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Apr 26, 2010 8:00 PM EDT reply actions
I'm not gonna fight DanUp
baby Yadi can take him
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
What???
Fight the Power!
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Apr 26, 2010 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd rather have McCann, all else being equal
but I think it’s very close. Yadi consistently comes highly in pitch-framing metrics, and does pretty well in pitch blocking stats, as well as adding about a quarter win every year JUST by picking guys off first. I’ve never rated catcher defense very highly but I think it’s looking increasingly likely that I’m wrong on that. McCann seems to do well on most proprietary metrics, too, so it seems fairly unlikely that Yadi can make up the near 3-win difference in their hitting stats, but I guess it’s not impossible.
Chris Carpenter doesn't give a fuck about your fantasy team.
by Felonius_Monk on Apr 27, 2010 5:32 AM EDT up reply actions
reading the braves blog
they consider mccann’s ability to throw out base-stealers on par with posada and v-mart. haven’t looked at any numbers, but they are fairly gaga over yadi and his prowess. it’s pretty likely the cards brass would take yadi and the braves mccann, just due to different circumstances. in a vacuum. i’d probably take mccann. but other than he and mauer, i’d be hard-pressed to take any other catcher in baseball over yadi.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Yeah I think I agree
Mauer’s way ahead of anyone, McCann is pretty good, and I guess you could make an argument for V-Mart, but I’d say Yadi’s the 3rd best, overall.
Chris Carpenter doesn't give a fuck about your fantasy team.
by Felonius_Monk on Apr 27, 2010 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions
is he better than kemp?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
it's not a Carp start
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
THER IT IZ
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by jd is legend on Apr 26, 2010 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions

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