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Romanticizing the Present with the Past

I've spent the better portion of this road trip thinking about how much I simply enjoy this team.  Winning is almost certainly a part of that but the atmosphere the team generates is immensely fun too.  Even the players that I don't care much about don't engender the same response as guys like Sidney Ponson (ya, he played for us) or Juan Encarnacion (who was over-hyped by the front office effectively sabotaging any chance he had with me).  The last time a Cardinals team was this likable was 2004-2005.  The combination of incredible performances and players that I liked in excess of their talent (I'm looking at you Larry Walker and Reggie Sanders) was a blast. The more I thought about my feelings both past and present, the more I wondered how 2010 compares to the last 100 win seasons the Cardinals produced.

Star-divide

The Cardinals in 2004 were built on the back of the MV3. Albert Pujols, Jim Edmonds and Scott Rolen all produced 8+ WAR seasons.  The last time that happened was, well, I can't find another club that did that for three position players. The obvious culprits like the Yankees and Red Sox have some monster seasons from individual players (A-Rod posted some 9 WAR seasons) but never have they combined to create the same kind of offensive chimera as what the Cardinals experienced in 2004.

As has seemingly been the case in much of recent Cardinal history, the Cardinals were blessed with good pitching that was, above all else, stable. The club in 2004 had all five starting pitchers toss 180+ innings.  Those pitchers only contributed about 10.5 WAR, which would be about half a win less than what Wainwright and Carpenter produced in 2009.

2005 was a tremendous season but so swiftly on the heels of the 105 win club it seems the season is under appreciated in my recollection.  The Cardinals offense was diminished by regression and a Scott Rolen injury. Albert Pujols as his usual tremendous self and the position players were a motley collection of aging veterans who were still average players. Jim Edmonds tossed in his final peak season before the deterioration of time caught up with him.

Chris Carpenter in 2005 made a tremendous resurgence after being laid up for the 2004 playoffs (of which we shall mention no further). My dim memory of 2005 failed to recall that Carpenter managed a 240 inning season. The starting staff was once again Gibraltian with every starter topping 190 innings.

So where does that leave us?

2004 2005 2010
Batting/Fielding WAR 31.1 26.3
Team wOBA .344 .331 .330
Pitching WAR 16.3 15.8
Team FIP 4.17 4.09 3.36

 

Even before looking at the rates, the 2010 iteration of the Cardinals reminded me a lot of the 2005 one. (Please don't be fooled by the 2010 FIP; it's headed up.)  The common reverberation throughout all these seasons is the tremendous Albert Pujols. In 2005, he had Jim Edmonds has his primary sidekick. Now, it is Matt Holliday. In 2005, Chris Carpenter led a good pitching staff of Morris, Mulder, Suppan and Marquis. Now, the staff seems much improved relative to that club with a dominant Wainwright following Carpenter, an emerging Garcia and pitchers in Penny and Lohse who should be stable stalwarts. It's ignorant to predict a 240 inning season from Carpenter but the overall quality of the staffs seem comparable.

The wild card between those two teams would seem to be the collection of rookies the Cardinals have. Players with a limited track record have a higher degree of variance in their projections and the Cardinals have two rookies in 2010 who would seem to have the talent to be significant contributors.

Jaime Garcia has far exceeded my expectations thus far though I'd contend we've seen the best of what he has to offer and likely not the norm.  He's shown excellent command of his pitches snapping off sharp breaking balls and featuring an advanced feel for his changeup.  His control has been a little better than expected (ignore the walk rate, it will come down; look at the strike%) and his ability to generate groundouts while not unexpected has been superb. Garcia showed the ability to strikeout batters in the minors and the preseason projection systems (more predictive than what he's done thus far) indicate that the strikeouts should come. Really any pitcher with his collection of above average breaking pitches is going to generate strikeouts. Garcia features all the tools to be a very good pitcher and his emergence has been a revelation -- that was a short lived Rich Hill experiment, no?

The other player is, of course, Colby Rasmus.  While unlikely to match Matt Holliday's offense, the re-invigorated plate discipline last seen in the minors and the outfield defense make him a respectable bet to be the second most valuable player on the team. (Prior to Saturday's game, he led the position players in WAR.) An underdog in Vegas odds? Sure, but not unreasonable.  I've written more words about Colby Rasmus than any player in the system and my affection for him is no secret but his skillset lends itself to being a tremendous player who can field well above average, get on base and drive the ball really freaking far.

So when I watch the Cardinals this year and am reminded of seasons when everything went right, maybe it shouldn't be surprising that I think back to tremendous seasons in recent history. There's a ton that could go wrong (avert your eyes if you want to stay optimistic - Albert's elbow, Lohse's command, Carpenter's right arm, 3rd base, the bullpen) but, on balance, John Mozeliak and company have assembled a tremendous amount of talent.  Having followed Garcia and Rasmus since their draft in 2005 makes this team a little extra special for me but the reality is that this team looks superb with some top heavy talent to bore it's way through a weak NL Central.

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I feel ya

I have been looking forward to 2010 since 2007. Been waiting for our talent in the minors to start reaching the majors and it is starting to happen. This is a young team that will essentially be the same team next year. I honestly believe the next 2 years will be our best shot at World Series for the foreseeable future.

P.S

Happy to see early Sunday post since I am up

by FlimtotheFlam on Apr 25, 2010 8:15 AM EDT reply actions  

Great post

This team reminds me of those teams, too, in a lot of ways. Any time the team can win over a 100 games if everything goes right and there feels like there is any modicum of a chance of that happening, it’s gonna be a pretty fun year.

by LandSickness on Apr 25, 2010 9:12 AM EDT reply actions  

So with a post this early

does that mean we get the rare double dip with the Penny pitch f/x?

"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Apr 25, 2010 10:02 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

what's bothering me on this giddy sunday morning is

what’s with apu?
trying too hard to be better than the 120M man by hitting rather than taking the walk and allowing holly the rbi opportunities
too much contract talk, and his competitive side says he has to hit moar dingers and more rbi’s to get the contract the best player should get (thinking of switching to boras?)
it’s physical, not mental
?????

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going

by sportsman on Apr 25, 2010 10:07 AM EDT reply actions  

it's funny that I made this comment in jest yesterday.

we decided he didn’t want the other guys to feel bad while they were K’ing. that Albert, always a giver.

if y’all want serious Albert dirt, check strauss and bernie’s twitters.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 25, 2010 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

No dirt. Just stats.

You can read it in any tone you like.

by spants on Apr 25, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

stats can't be gritty?

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 25, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

There is nothing gritty about those stats.

Ugly, sure.

Anyway, dirt implies that there was some inside information. But they’re just stats that anyone can access. It was quite informative.

You can read it in any tone you like.

by spants on Apr 25, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh

well I probably said ‘dirt’ because it’s strauss and bernie’s tweets. there’s other stuff in there.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 25, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha

You can read it in any tone you like.

by spants on Apr 25, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree that this team

has a better feel than many of TLR’s earlier teams but, as an older fan, I have to say that that’s not really saying much. I’m sure you younger guys are way tired of hearing this but there is just nothing in my baseball experience that matches being a Cardinal fan in the eighties. TLR is obviously a great manager but he, and his teams, tend to be tight and relatively joyless. Home runs are certainly more important than stolen bases but not as much fun to watch. Tony belatedly learned the value of a good defense but no team in my lifetime based their winning edge around defense the way Whitey’s teams did. The eighties teams were fast and free wheeling and made a lot of mistakes that would have put players in Tony’s doghouse for life. Willie McGee and Lonnie Smith couldn’t have played for him but they played for Whitey, won some pennants and were a pleasure to follow even in the losing seasons. I can’t deny that Tony has to be considered the better manager just on the basis of winning percentage but as far as in game decisions there is no contest. More often than not, when Whitey made a decision that had me screaming at the radio he turned out to be right or at least he somehow made it work. Tony, not so much, never has. The recent 20 inning loss was a great example. Whitey woulda won it in the 16th by having his third string catcher steal home.

by easy on Apr 25, 2010 10:22 AM EDT reply actions  

I loved those 80s teams

but trying to watch the 83 (I barely remember this team, but remember it sucked my wee little soul) and the 86 team were definitely not fun.

I DON'T GIVE A FUCK!

by mattyfrommo on Apr 25, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Willie

Did play for LaRussa, in 1990. And as far as in game decisions, there was a stat floating around either last year or the year before that showed that LaRussa was THE BEST in all of baseball at appropriateness of intentional walks. Now, all the double switching and matching up pitchers may not agree with the way you think, but the better winning percentage that you quoted seems to disagree. If Tony was so bad at in game decisions, he wouldn’t have lasted as long as he has. Sounds to me more like a bit of selective memory. Yeah, we all bemoaned the 20 inning head scratcher, mainly because of the double switch to get the pitcher hitting behind Pujols. But, in Tony’s defense, who makes a decision based on the notion that a game MAY go 20 innings?

In short, I’m happy with Tony. You can have the 80’s, I’ll stick to the present.

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Apr 25, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, was making my way back up

to post the link to baseball-reference. Sorry, please don’t yell at me! I don’t do well under pressure!

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Apr 25, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

we should have known scoot wouldn't get it done in the clutch

if he can’t handle the pressure of spring training, what about a big game

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 25, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm really Juan Encarnacion

or Rick Ankiel. Your meaningless solo home run in a blowout is coming right up

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Apr 25, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

at least you're not rich hill

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 25, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're right, those meaningless homers are worthy of scorn.

As I’m sure you know, reall Winners hit to the score. That’s what the Hall of Fame is all about.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Apr 25, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

exactly

like David Eckstein and Skip Schumaker and Gary Bennett hitting walk-off homer grand slams

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Apr 25, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's like you're reading my mind!

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Apr 25, 2010 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

You forgot Aaron Miles

and the third-unlikeliest walk-off grand-slam in cardinals history against the Pirates two years ago…

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Apr 26, 2010 7:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

to answer your question, tony makes decisions based on the notion

that a game may go 20 innings when he has his relievers bat twice with bases loaded rather than use his spare catcher to pinch-hit.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Apr 25, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

those decisions came late into extra innings

when the bullpen was almost barren. The decision to double switch Holliday came much earlier, not to mention that Holliday was ill and probably shouldn’t have been in the lineup anyway.

But, yeah, I see your point.

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Apr 25, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

My bad for not remembering

that Willie played for TLR but I disagree about the in game decisions. Tony is an extremely hard worker and is a great manager because he does all of the preparatory work to get his teams ready to play and to win. As far as in game managing goes though he strikes me as average. The fact is that in game decision making is NOT the most important aspect as far as managing as team to wins. It is, however, the most obvious and most fun part for fans to evaluate, criticize and argue over. Since the original post was about a fan’s feeling for the current team vs. previous teams I thought it appropriate to go back a little further for comparison. Tony is a great manager. I just don’t feel as good about his teams as some others.

by easy on Apr 25, 2010 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

ok, but

my faves were the 63-68 teams
80’s were good, but i agree that basically, i just don’t like tlr’s style of ball and i’m not convinced he gets the most out of his players

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going

by sportsman on Apr 25, 2010 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

If Whitey had this pitching staff, what would he have won ? 120 125 maybe

by Macarver hater on Apr 25, 2010 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

in oakland and st. louis

put that in yer pipe and smoke it, cardinal purists…

"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5

"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.

by Tudor's Electric Fan on Apr 25, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

There is a lot to like in 2010

And if all goes right, 95 wins seems a real possibility in a mediocre division. The lineup is considerably improved over 2009 with the addition of Holliday, an improving Rasmus, and the elimination of the offensive black hole and third base. Which gets to my main point: Felipe Lopez. For a utility guy, I think he’s a huge addition (especially at his price). He’s certainly capable at 2B or 3B, and he’ll be useful off the bench when he does not start. He obviously won’t carry a team, but I think he makes this roster a lot deeper.

by Hungry Jack on Apr 25, 2010 10:46 AM EDT reply actions  

great post

"How can a Mexican lose the ball in the sun" ? Harry Caray

by bigchieftootiemontana on Apr 25, 2010 10:50 AM EDT reply actions  

sbn is killing me.... anyone else having problems?

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 25, 2010 11:17 AM EDT reply actions  

I was

now it seems to be working better.

"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Apr 25, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

same here...looks to be cleared up now?

"you know how you pitch mike schmidt? Hard fastballs inside, sliders down and away. you know how you pitch henry aaron? willie mays? hard stuff inside, soft away. you know how you pitch willie stargell? hard stuff inside, soft away. you know how you pitch god? hard stuff inside, then down and away, and if you get it there you'll get him out. even though he'll know it's coming. or at least they say he knows." -jim lefebvre

by el_duderino on Apr 25, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's on and off

503 errors

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 25, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I tried to get in ealrier, and got a 503 error

I finally get in and click on the read more link, and damn if SBN hasn’t marked about half of the comments as read. Randomly placed marked comments…that’s a new SBN’d for me!

I DON'T GIVE A FUCK!

by mattyfrommo on Apr 25, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's happened to me before.

You can read it in any tone you like.

by spants on Apr 25, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is it wrong. . .

that the first thought that popped into my head when I read your message without context was a Jeopardy-contestant’s “answer”:

“What is Matt Holliday’s season error total?”

Sorry.

by SouthsideCardsFan on Apr 25, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

'e's gettin' better!

only one ball bobble so far. not so sure about the arm, but if he can hit Brendan Ryan, Boog might make up for it.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 25, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't mind losing a couple games in a row...

while frustrating it’s to be expected time to time. What I absolutely can’t stand is losing to a team with a shoddy equipment manager. That’s just embarrassing.

"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Apr 25, 2010 11:23 AM EDT reply actions  

Kick Ass

Kicked Ass. That is all I have to offer to this thread at this time.

by Evilfrog on Apr 25, 2010 11:27 AM EDT reply actions  

Kick Ass

Kicked Ass. That is all I have to offer to this thread at this time.

by Evilfrog on Apr 25, 2010 11:29 AM EDT reply actions  

you can say that again

"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Apr 25, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

evilfrog's going to heat up soon

sure he’s been taking some uninspired hacks early on, but he’ll be putting up 2+EAR (entertainment above replacement poster) before the summer’s over.

"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5

"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.

by Tudor's Electric Fan on Apr 25, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

trouble is, being a frog, he'll need more hydration as the summer wears on

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 25, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

i too enjoy this team

having been forged in the crucible of “the cardinals weren’t great in the 90s/living in minnesota meant i watched so much terrible baseball in the metrodome/really ‘getting sports’ in the 2000s”, i must say, this team will have potential to be my favorite. the 2000/2002 cardinal teams were my first taste at the fountain, and the 04/05/06 stretch was some of the most glorious baseball i’ve ever watched. i didn’t know then what i know now about all the moving parts required for a successful team, but with age comes knowledge. as i will probably watch as many games of this team as i can, the potential to love this team also comes with the increased risk of unreasonable aggravation when they don’t execute. so there’s that.

which of course means whiskey every night, good times and frown times

"...and pujols has given st louis the lead"
The Best Defensive Play I Have Seen in Person

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by tgreenfield on Apr 25, 2010 12:11 PM EDT reply actions  

I still need to find Twin's game to go to, now that the monstrosity has been vacated

but it won’t be next weekend. Woot! First trip to Busch!

I DON'T GIVE A FUCK!

by mattyfrommo on Apr 25, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

i too enjoy this team

having been forged in the crucible of “the cardinals weren’t great in the 90s/living in minnesota meant i watched so much terrible baseball in the metrodome/really ‘getting sports’ in the 2000s”, i must say, this team will have potential to be my favorite. the 2000/2002 cardinal teams were my first taste at the fountain, and the 04/05/06 stretch was some of the most glorious baseball i’ve ever watched. i didn’t know then what i know now about all the moving parts required for a successful team, but with age comes knowledge. as i will probably watch as many games of this team as i can, the potential to love this team also comes with the increased risk of unreasonable aggravation when they don’t execute. so there’s that.

which of course means whiskey every night, good times and frown times

"...and pujols has given st louis the lead"
The Best Defensive Play I Have Seen in Person

follow me on teh twitterz @greenfieldt

by tgreenfield on Apr 25, 2010 12:11 PM EDT reply actions  

god bless it

"...and pujols has given st louis the lead"
The Best Defensive Play I Have Seen in Person

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by tgreenfield on Apr 25, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think this will be the first year

that I will truly be able to “appreciate” how good this team can/hopefully will be. Back on 05/06 I watched a lot of baseball but I was also concerned with being cool in high school, so my priorities weren’t following it like I do now. Even though last year was pretty good, I think this team can be so consistently good when all cylinders are firing.

by LandSickness on Apr 25, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Priorities

I am glad to hear that you are no longer interested in being cool and have moved back into your mother’s basement like the rest of us. But, haven’t you heard that we do not actually watch baseball. We just look at stats from the games on websites.

In all seriousness, I think college class schedules re-ignited my being a Cardinals fan. In Iowa, our high school baseball is played from April til August and then football starts right up. That schedule made it very difficult to watch a lot of baseball in high school for me.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Apr 25, 2010 1:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I originally was going to say

that I was outperforming my true CP (cool potential) in high school and early college and that I have since violently regressed to the mean.

by LandSickness on Apr 25, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

thanks for this post...

it’s very welcome after losing this series. =)

"you know how you pitch mike schmidt? Hard fastballs inside, sliders down and away. you know how you pitch henry aaron? willie mays? hard stuff inside, soft away. you know how you pitch willie stargell? hard stuff inside, soft away. you know how you pitch god? hard stuff inside, then down and away, and if you get it there you'll get him out. even though he'll know it's coming. or at least they say he knows." -jim lefebvre

by el_duderino on Apr 25, 2010 12:54 PM EDT reply actions  

so Timmy K is talking about Ichiro's remarkable math abilities

and I’m thinking… that’s that Gauss formula for summing consecutive integers. I learned it in grade school. I can’t do it in my head, but it’s not fantastically remarkable. Other than Ichiro doing math for fun.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 25, 2010 12:54 PM EDT reply actions  

It's probably the fact

he’s being measured against baseball players. So the ability to do any math is the equivalent of pressbox hot…

"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Apr 25, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's the second time Timmy's gone voice-breaking over that

where was he for Brian Barton? WHERE WAS HE

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 25, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

he was all "he added half the floors on one side of the elevator panel!"

I blinked.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 25, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

must've been the side that wouldn't have included 13

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Apr 25, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

it should also be pointed out

that this team could (should?) easily improve over the course of the year, as some of the youngsters get more experience. That was less the case than the 2004 and 2005 teams, though both teams do feature a key core of hitters and a deep starting pitching staff.

by CRay on Apr 25, 2010 1:02 PM EDT reply actions  

will! see that was an easy fix

this team will get better. the lines drives will fall, we’ll start hitting into luck instead of out of it, and the K’s will fall. I still have a ton of faith in this team.

I DON'T GIVE A FUCK!

by mattyfrommo on Apr 25, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're such a homer.

This season is clearly over.

THIS IS A SINKING SHIP.

by Mister Eff on Apr 25, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

DOOM

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 25, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

WOE IS US

"...and pujols has given st louis the lead"
The Best Defensive Play I Have Seen in Person

follow me on teh twitterz @greenfieldt

by tgreenfield on Apr 25, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

but seriously, what's with David Freese

I have yet to see him react quickly enough to a hard-hit ball
I have yet to see him square up to a medium to medium-fast grounder
I have yet to see him run hard down the line, out of the box

I absolutely suck at seeing these things, but to my eyes his footwork is crappy. his favorite defensive play is running flat out towards second and throwing the ball fast… essentially a do-or-die play. can he be fixed? should he be fixed?

Boog can cover a lot of ground, but he is meant to be a backup, not actually covering 2.5 positions.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 25, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'm not sold on freese

i think felipe should be getting more playing time at 3B. and not just because iheartfelipe, but also because of everything you said. i know that freese is cheaper and we need to give him a chance to succeed because we won’t be able to afford felipe next year, but still. someone else mentioned that ’10 and ’11 are our best chances to win the WS, and I agree with this. starting ’12 all bets are off. when flopex starts a game over freese, i feel like he gives us a better chance to win.

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Apr 25, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

it begs the question, if we had fredbird's van, which third baseman would we take?

that would fit into our system? who’s hot at the hot corner?

(I fear the fantasy answer is Scott Rolen. sniff.)

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 25, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

He resides in DC,

and his last name starts with a Z.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Apr 25, 2010 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you meant "Tampa"

and “L”, that is the correct answer.

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Apr 26, 2010 7:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

(also, Felipe is too short for full-time third base.)

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 25, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

bob barker does not understand your

Post, but to the question of “should he be fixed?” He gave an enthusiastic yes.

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Apr 25, 2010 4:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I prefer the term dinger

I’m such a dinger, thankyouverymuch

I DON'T GIVE A FUCK!

by mattyfrommo on Apr 25, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

occurs to me

you’re lucky it’s not the preceding term

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 25, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

you might be

a dongjacker

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 25, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

though it's probably the shorter version.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 25, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Waino to the bullpen!

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Apr 25, 2010 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

The thing that upsets me most about Juan being out of the game (outside of the horrfic injury)

is that one of my most favorite photoshop jobs of all times seems to have disappeared from the internet.

I DON'T GIVE A FUCK!

by mattyfrommo on Apr 25, 2010 1:38 PM EDT reply actions  

the

JUUUUUUUUAAAAAAAANNNNN!!!!! one.

Capt. Kirk was not happy with some of his fielding hijinks, either.
  

I DON'T GIVE A FUCK!

by mattyfrommo on Apr 25, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fangraphs doesn't go back to 2001 for WAR

But the offensive trifecta of Bonds, Kent, and Aurilia had wRC of 201, 111, and 125. Of course, must of the heavy lifting was done by the insane seasons Bonds had (13 WAR seasons don’t exactly show up every decade).

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by jctGamer on Apr 25, 2010 1:50 PM EDT reply actions  

switching to baseballprojection.com

In 2001 – Bonds 12.1, Kent 5.1, Aurilia 6.5

It’s reallllllllllly hard to come up with an 8 WAR season. Much less three of them. But some of those Bonds combinations have a good change of matching the overall production.

Think; It's not illegal yet.

by azruavatar on Apr 25, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I had forgotten that Rich Aurilia was once quite good at baseball.

I guess in a year or two people will be saying that about Andruw Jones and people like that.

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Apr 26, 2010 7:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

i was thinking that as well.

the central is faring far worse in the early going than the rest of baseball. oh well, not really our problem now is it?

/2006’d

"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5

"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.

by Tudor's Electric Fan on Apr 25, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

so, reading some cj beatty

hardest maples known to man! Hop onboard with me

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 25, 2010 2:37 PM EDT reply actions  

what are the odds CJ makes it to the majors?

I’d love to see a post game interview with him

I DON'T GIVE A FUCK!

by mattyfrommo on Apr 25, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

him and Boog in the same shot.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 25, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

well

for one thing, he’s addicted to french fries. so there’s that.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 25, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Okay, what's going on?

Wasn’t the game supposed to start at 2 Central? TV guide say. So, but there’s some show about hurricane Katrina on…which, when you think about it, is really the opposite of baseball.

"There are three things in my life which I really love: God, my family, and baseball. The only problem - once baseball season starts, I change the order around a bit." ~Al Gallagher, 1971

go cards.

by thecoolalonzo on Apr 25, 2010 2:48 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

3 central.

You can read it in any tone you like.

by spants on Apr 25, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

2:30 for pre-game.

You can read it in any tone you like.

by spants on Apr 25, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

never trust tv guide

the mothership says 3 Central

I DON'T GIVE A FUCK!

by mattyfrommo on Apr 25, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks.

Hopefully the weather doesn’t get bad in a 100 mile radius, I want the game uninterrupted.

"There are three things in my life which I really love: God, my family, and baseball. The only problem - once baseball season starts, I change the order around a bit." ~Al Gallagher, 1971

go cards.

by thecoolalonzo on Apr 25, 2010 2:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

i thought that the game started at 3:00 central time.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Apr 25, 2010 2:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

agreed. when baseball disasters strike:

hilarious.

"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5

"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.

by Tudor's Electric Fan on Apr 25, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Brewers just fold over when they play the Cubs

Sickening.

Boy a frosty cold Budweiser would be great about now"…long pause…then an "aahhh". --Mike Shannon

by KYCards on Apr 25, 2010 2:53 PM EDT reply actions  

not to fret

in the early going, the untuckers were the cards’ closest rival in the standings. in fact, they still are despite the no-show against the cubs.

"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5

"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.

by Tudor's Electric Fan on Apr 25, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, i have no problem with the cubs beating the brewers

unless my thinking changes to the cubs are the bigger threat

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Apr 25, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Cubs get a heavy dose of playing the Nationals and Pirates

over the next week and a half. They could catch up with us pretty quick with their easy schedule. I view the Cubs as the bigger threat with their pitching staff…..which despite the Big Z troubles….has been very good thus far.

Boy a frosty cold Budweiser would be great about now"…long pause…then an "aahhh". --Mike Shannon

by KYCards on Apr 25, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

And when the Scrubs

start playing actually major league teams that can hit, throw and run with consistency, their winning percentage will plunge. Their April schedule is the easiest in MLB, so that they’ve gone only 9-10 to date (pending completing the sweep this afternoon against The Untuckers) is a real indication of how mediocre they are.

And the Nationals and Pirates aren’t as terrible as they used to be.

by Michael_68_1999 on Apr 25, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Unless the Brew Crew gets some

semblance of starting pitching, they will be a non-factor. Wolf and Gallardo bear a heavy burden. Milwaukee simply must win when they start to compete for a playoff berth.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Apr 25, 2010 3:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

speaking of big z

al at bcb couldn’t resist with his headline “lilly, zambrano lead cubs to 5-1…”

and he has a theory as to why so many think it a stupid move:

“You’ll never convince the nay-sayers…I wonder how many of those people have Z on their fantasy teams.”

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Apr 25, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

that last part made me laugh

cause all the sportswriters, intelligent people all have managed to get one guy on their fantasy team

"You’ve got to play every game like it’s your last because it’s definitely survive-and-advance or don’t survive and school," Tiller said.

by stlcardsfan4 on Apr 25, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

should it?

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Apr 25, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's ok, we understood what you meant?

"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5

"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.

by Tudor's Electric Fan on Apr 25, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Personally, I'm not getting it.

It might help if he diagrammed the sentence.

I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.

by The Continental on Apr 25, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

it takes some effort to appreciate the subtleties

kind of like iambic pentameter, but with mistaken punctuation.

"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5

"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.

by Tudor's Electric Fan on Apr 25, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

menin aeide thea peleiadeo achilleos

See, I still remember something from my Illiad class, sort of… Principal parts are long forgotten.

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by totalloser on Apr 25, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Arma virumque cano?

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Apr 25, 2010 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry, I only do greek and not latin

Was Aeneid also iambic pentameter?
BTW. Illiad >> Aeneid (IMHO).

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by totalloser on Apr 25, 2010 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll always cede the floor on Sundays to pitch f/x of any variety

otherwise, yes, you’ll probably see me writing on a regular basis here again.

Think; It's not illegal yet.

by azruavatar on Apr 25, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Even though he was the "losing ptcher"

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Apr 25, 2010 3:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I agree

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Apr 25, 2010 3:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

While I agree

I’d be willing to bet if you asked Wainwright, he’d tell you that the loss is on him. Not that he’d be correct, either, but I like guys with that mentality.

by Mister Eff on Apr 25, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh i agree

the loss isn’t on him, but if him losing motivates him to work harder/whatever, i’m sure as hell not going to stop him.

by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 25, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

we can only wonder what would've happened if the guy had been able to bunt

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Apr 25, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I still have a soft spot for the 1996 team

Only because it was the first year I started following regularly. The Benes brothers, Gant/Lank/Jordan in the outfield and John Mabry at 1st…ahhh…those were simpler times. Makes me miss Jack Buck.

by Kind_Al on Apr 25, 2010 3:30 PM EDT reply actions  

oh, man, i was gonna jump all over that

/this comment is impervious to innuendo

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Apr 25, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1 for john mabry

probably my all-time favorite non-obvious cardinal.

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Apr 25, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

My first ever autograph was from John Mabry

I was so excited every time he’d come back to play for the Cards (so I was happy quite often, considering he left and came back to play for the Cards about 200 times in his career).

by stxcardsfan on Apr 25, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mabry and Grudz went to the same batting school

I am glad that Boog is no longer imitating them.

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by totalloser on Apr 25, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Edmonds, Mabry cap biggest 9th-inning rally in Cards history

Cards vs.Reds – Recap. May 02, 2005. I think Mabry single-handedly destroyed the Red’s season.

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by totalloser on Apr 25, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

update cheesecake is in the fridge

it shall be delicious. who all dibsed a piece?

"...and pujols has given st louis the lead"
The Best Defensive Play I Have Seen in Person

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by tgreenfield on Apr 25, 2010 3:39 PM EDT reply actions  

you suck

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Apr 25, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah he does

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Apr 25, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

we saw your tweet about sucking

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Apr 25, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions   5 recs

haha

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Apr 25, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 25, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I found out Mascarpone is great for cheesecake, IMHO

much better than cream cheese. I was making tiramisu, and made cheesecake with leftovers. At least my wifey appreciates it.

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by totalloser on Apr 25, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

how about ricotta, as is in cannolis?

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Apr 25, 2010 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cannoli are so awesome

It’s hard to eat just one cannolo

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Apr 25, 2010 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Leave the gun, take the cannoli

born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red

by totalloser on Apr 25, 2010 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

not the one

who wrote about pedro sandoval’s DP turn last night?

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Apr 25, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

hmmmm.....

besides the fact that he is 3 for 10…. he has never shown consistency to do this

"You’ve got to play every game like it’s your last because it’s definitely survive-and-advance or don’t survive and school," Tiller said.

by stlcardsfan4 on Apr 25, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

you only need three legs for a stool

and Stav only needs one knee for a hit

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 25, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

wow

the logic now totally makes sense!

"You’ve got to play every game like it’s your last because it’s definitely survive-and-advance or don’t survive and school," Tiller said.

by stlcardsfan4 on Apr 25, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

i have no doubt that with his ability to hit changeups for dingers

had he played the last 2 games he would have dominated lincecum and zito and we’d be looking at two wins.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Apr 25, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

we gotcher beaker

http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2010/4/25/1443136/st-louis-san-francisco-game-18

lineup is the same, except Freese got kicked up one.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 25, 2010 3:59 PM EDT reply actions  

warning: randolph and horton look like the jumbo mustard and the regular mustard

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

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