hacking and chasing
danup’s on his way back to north america today, so i’m sitting in. man, but SB Nation has made some upgrades to the machinery around here. where’s the ignition on this thing? where’s the clutch?
ha ha ha, get it? see, because the cards haven’t been getting any clutch hits . . . .
so they’re now 5 for their last 40 with men in scoring position dating back to saturday night, and 11 for their last 69 dating back to the home opener. it’s surely just one of those things, a blip — they’ve had some bad luck the last few days, taking good RISP at-bats and hitting the ball hard but right at the defense. but that doesn’t mean it’s entirely random, or that an adjustment or two might not be in order. i have the vague sense that the hitters, in their eagerness to drive in runs, have been taking less patient at-bats with men in RISP. i can’t back that up with any data though, and i could well be wrong. so here’s a set of questions for anybody who has access to a pitch fx database:
- during their RISP drought (ie, going back to the home opener), how often do the cards swing at the first pitch in RISP plate appearances? how often do they swing at the first strike?
- how do these rates compare to their rates in non-RISP at-bats?
- what’s their chase rate in RISP plate appearances, and how does that compare to their chase rate overall?
- what’s their walk rate, excluding IBBs?
- eliminate the walks to pujols and the #8 hitter — what’s their walk rate then?
- back to the first pitch / first strike: how often do they swing at a first pitch / first strike that’s not a fastball?
it may be that there’s nothing of interest in those numbers, but maybe there is. if anyone’s got time to lodge some / all of those queries, you’ll be doing a public service.
i did spot some interesting data pertaining to the Hombre: his chase rate is sky high this year. according to fangraphs, he’s swinging 29.8 percent of the time the ball’s out of the zone in 2010, versus a career average of 19.3 percent and a career high of 22.9 percent. rick ankiel, that paragon of indiscipline at the plate, has a career chase rate of 31.7 percent; albert’s approaching that so far in 2010. he was at it again last night, swinging at ball four in at least two of his at-bats (he eventually did walk in one of them). he seems to be chasing pitches up in the zone (maybe that elbow feels a little too good, eh?), and this would explain his atypically high flyball rate of 53.5 percent (career average: 39.8 pct). in albert’s case, some batted balls that are classified as flyballs are what i would call very long line drives; they reach on outfielder’s glove and there’s a little bit of (though not much) arc on them, ergo somebody calls it a flyout. . . .
but i digress. the elevated chase rate is the extension of a trend: albert’s O-swing percentage has been climbing steadily since 2004, when it was 15.7 percent. the percentage of strikes he has seen has decreased commensurately; his swing percentage has mostly held steady, he just has fewer strikes to swing at now than he used to. but in swing percentage, too, the 2010 number is an outlier: albert is going after 49.6 percent of the pitches he sees this year, versus a career average of 42.2 percent and a career high (set in 2003) of 44.3 percent. despite the restoration of his long-absent "protection," he’s become more hacktastic this season, not less.
i reckon he’ll make an adjustment, as he always does.
down at memphis, tyler green hit his second homer but made his 7th error of the young season; if the cards need another middle infielder, i wonder if it’ll be donny solano’s turn. meanwhile, jon jay is making quite the statement at memphis; after a tepid spring training (.231 / .279 / .282) he is just pounding the crap out of triple A pitching, with a .360 / .418 / .580 line and 7 steals in as many attempts. in his last 293 triple A at-bats, going back to july 1 of last season, jay has hit .324 / .364 / .491; he can play all three outfield positions, run the bases a little, and bat left-handed --- all of which make him a better fit than nick stavinoha. thanks to his clutch dinger vs the brewers, stavi will be around for a while, but i don’t see what he adds to a bench already populated by al craig and joe mather.
here’s a little poll to round out the post today: which of the cardinals’ minor-league affiliates do you suppose has got the most future big-league regulars on it? let’s define a "regular" as a position player who makes at least 120 starts in a season; a starting pitcher who makes at least 22 starts; or a reliever who appears in at least 65 games. it doesn’t matter if the player becomes a regular for the cardinals, nor how long he maintains his regular-hood; if you think he’ll achieve the status for just one season anywhere in the big leagues, even as the worst regular on the worst team in baseball, he counts.
i’m gonna vote for memphis, altho quad cities makes an interesting case. the memphis roster doesn’t appear to have any future stars, but it has got a lot of players who can play in the big leagues. i figure john jay, tyler henley, daniel descalso, adam ottavino, lance lynn, and tyler norrick all have pretty good shots to meet my definition of "regular" at some point by 2015, and there are a lot of dark-horse candidates down there like fernando salas, pj walters, bryan anderson (whatever happened to him, anyway?), and oneli perez. (and i haven’t even mentioned cazana.) out of that group, it wouldn’t shock me at all if three or four guys eventually became big league regulars for at least one season. i guess i’d be more shocked if fewer than three / four guys attained that status.
the case for QC roster begins with the pitching staff — shelby miller, deryk hooker, and joe kelly are all there, and all have big-league arms, plus there’s some guy named scott schneider, a 20th-rounder from last year’s draft, who has a k-bb ratio of 91 to 13 and a 9.75 k/9 in his short minor-league career. he pitched at st mary’s college in northern california, over the hill from berkeley --- anybody know the story on him? does he have legit potential, or is he just one of those guys who can dominate in the low minors but will get killed once he reaches double A? anyway, QC’s team k-bb is about 3.5 to 1, and its team k/9 is 9.6; there’s clearly some talent there that bears watching.
in addition to the arms, the river bandits have robert stock behind the plate; an interesting set of middle-infield prospects in jason stidham, luis mateo, and ryan jackson; a superior athlete in d’marcus ingram, a young and projectable talent in freddie parejo, and a couple of pure bats in matt adams and devin shepherd. there’s also the oddball niko vasquez, who is still defining himself as a player and apt to do anything.
the arms alone make this an interesting roster, but i’d like to think some of those position players will develop as well. the only reason i’m not voting for QC in this poll is because the great distance between class A and MLB increases the risk that injury, inability, or some other dysfunction derails a career. i’m almost certain that the current QC roster harbors more good big-league regulars than the memphis roster; but memphis might trump ’em in quantity.
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His strike outs are up, but his overall numbers are 4th highest in his career
maybe he thinks he has to make that adjustment considering the pitching report on Pujols is “don’t throw him strikes”. Maybe he’s making the statement that he doesn’t need strikes to put up 1.080 ops?
End result is the same….just a different way of getting there.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
And I did think about
“the de-value of a K” and how OBP is “more important” than SLG but from a RC standpoint he’s doing 11 runs per game….which is good for 3rd of his career.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
based on what?
That’s not snippy, I literally don’t know what.
Does his Pitch F/X player card have bad numbers for the O-Zone contacts, which is 75% vs career 65%? Yeah he’s swinging more but he’s hitting more too. What happens when he puts those balls into play?
Last year he saw the fewest pitches in the zone, 45% which is exactly what he’s seeing now. He’s swinging a lot more this year BUT actually making less contact in the zone while putting up Pujols numbers.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
A chase rate like that isn't usually matched with a swinging strike rate as low as Pujols has.
Sure, if you’re going out of the zone and still smoking the ball like a fiend on rocks, then you’ll put up .450 wOBAs, but that isn’t usually how it works. Usually, higher O-swing results in more ground balls, more swinging strikes, worse timing.
I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons
Plus,
if you continue to chase stuff off the plate, pitchers will just stop throwing you good pitches all together because they don’t have to. I would venture to say that Albert’s still a better hitter on balls in the strike zone that out of it, and if pitchers learn that they don’t have to come in there as often because he’ll chase a pitch up and away, he’s going to get fewer pitches to hit.
Sure, for some players (Vlad Guerrero, Pablo Sandoval) it seems like they can hit any pitch thrown to any spot and square up the ball every time.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
I could see this happening,
causing Pujols to become more selective, pushing his O-swing back down, and making the world look a lot more like normal again.
I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons
I think he's just struggling with his swing right now
and is trying to work it out during PA’s, causing him to chase some pitches that he normally wouldn’t chase. Kind of like a shooter trying to work out of a slump by taking some shots he normally wouldn’t take.
I would guess it’s going to go back to normal, especially if Holliday and Colby start raking the baseball hitting behind him.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
how is he struggling with his swing when he's
doing more with less?
His LD’s are down, and his FBs are up BUT they’re at the exact same FB/HR rate and as lb said a lot of his fly balls are poorly classified.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
and his BABIP are at career norms.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
he might be getting away w/ it for now
but i think it’s uinlikely that he can do it over time. basically, you’re suggesting that a guy can change from a very selective hitter into an undisciplined one without any change in results. i wouldn’t bet on even a great hitter like albert being able to do that.
well, that is of course,
what makes him such a great hitter is he’s so selective…I’m alluding to the fact that until things get out of hand I’m sticking with he’s just a great hitter.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
i would agree with that
that’s what i meant by “i reckon he’ll adjust, as he always does.” that’s what great hitters do - when something’s out of whack they figure it out and get back on track. when pitchers wrest an advantage, the great ones adjust and take the advantage away.
i think albert will do that. his chase rate will go down, he’ll go back to being selective, and he’ll continue to rake.
whoops, not to re-engage this argument
however, I meant to say:
Pujols is a great hitter. He is a selective hitter.
That doesn’t necessarily correlate to he is a great hitter because he is selective, even though that’s generally how it works.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
whiccchhhhh brings me to my original question
“based on what”.
Are there any sabr metrics or pitch fx data that suggest he can’t sustain this or are we just going by “it just doesn’t work that way”? again, not snippy just curious.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
we're going by
“it just doesn’t work that way” — by which i mean, i can’t think of a single precedent for it. can you? can you name a great hitter who, in response to pitchers trying to pitch around him, started swinging at balls at continued to be a great hitter? i can’t think of a single player who did that.
Just devils advocating without evidence
perhaps what’s happening is that pitchers are throwing him junkballs out of the zone trying to give him the old unintentional-intentional. He’s then getting a bead on these, and smoking them, even though they’re out of the zone.
In this case, he’s still being selective, its just not selective reasoning based on the strike zone as much as it is on pitch quality.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
here i disagree with you
i think his selective approach at the plate is part of his greatness. i don’t think he can make himself into a different type of hitter. if he maintains a 30 pct chase rate all year, it’s eventually going to catch up w/ him. not in a good way.
that's certainly possible
maybe even probable, however, he’s doing it thus far so I can’t say anything with any confidence until it does catch up with him. If his overall numbers or even his peripherals were down then ya, but….
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
For what little it's worth,
Pujols doesn’t look right up there. He’s had a few PAs of lower quality than we expect, and he seems visibly uncomfortable or fooled more often than I can remember him being.
That said, he is still hitting the crap out of the ball on balance. It’s just not in the normal Albert Pujols way we are used to.
I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons
well, I'm a HUGE fan of "eyeing things up" believe it or not
because that’s my initial thoughts too. I freak out when he strikes out and think OMG he’s so struggling and it just doesn’t “seam” the dude is still tearing the cover off the ball.
That’s why I’m open to me being totally wrong here, however, my “secondary gutshot” is he knows he’s not going to be pitched too so he’s adjusting to that….
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
I agree with this.
He doesn’t look like Pujols at the plate, like a batting tiger, crouched, waiting to pounce on a pitcher’s mistake and mutilate it.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I'm basing it on this
Every time I can remember him struggling, he does three things:
- He pops the ball up a lot. Not hard hit fly balls, but lazy pop flys. We’ve seen some of that since the start of the homestand last Monday. You also don’t see a lot of singles up the middle, which is something he does on a fairly consistent basis otherwise.
- He’s constantly practicing his swing in between pitches. When he’s feeling good, he rarely does this, but when he’s not feeling right, he steps out and does 2 or 3 half swings like he’s trying to find the right path for his hands.
- He swings through fastballs out of the zone. When he’s locked in, he rarely misses a fastball that he swings at — he’ll foul it off or put it in play, but the majority of his swings and misses are on good breaking stuff with 2 strikes.
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Wouldn't your first point be wrong
due to his FB/HR ratio being at career norms? If he was hitting lazy ones it’d be lower.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
I don't think having a career normal FB/HR ration is mutually exclusive to struggling and hitting a lot of lazy ones.
If his LD% is down, it could be as easily explained as, he is still good enough to hit a homer every so many times at the bat, but, during those other PAs, he is not making solid contact as consistently.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I don't think so either and I did mention his lowered LD
rate. I was pointing out that an observation of “lazy fly balls” was probably wrong. Not whether or not he’s struggling.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
There's no statistic that measures "lazy fly balls"
So quoting statistics to refute an observation is an exercise in futility.
I’ve seen probably 90% of his PA’s in the last week and I’ve observed that he’s hit a lot of pop-ups and lazy flys where he hasn’t squared up the ball well.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
well what you've "seen"
(as of April 12, assuming correct math) was a SLG of .600 and a OPS of 1.000.
Pretty good for a lot of pop ups and lazy flies….
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
Futility (again)
Go to mlb.tv and look at every PA over the last week. Count how many pop-ups and fly balls he’s had. Then come back and argue with me.
Short of that, this argument is over.
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well if we're getting strawman about it
my great great grandpa said that babe ruth hit a log or pop ups and lazy flies so he really wasn’t that good.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
i hit "log or popups" all the time, btw.
lol letting work interfere with my inet arguing.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
It's Log....
…its big its heavy its wood
its better than bad its good!
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Apr 20, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
everyone wants a log...
…everyone needs a log
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
Why is it a strawman argument
to ask you to go back and look at all the PA’s I’ve seen over the last week. I’ve seen nearly every game in it’s entirety over that period of time (which is saying a lot considering there was a 20 inning game in there and I have a 3 week old daughter at home) and I’m telling you, he’s popped the ball up a lot over that period of time.
If you don’t want to believe me, that’s fine, but until you can refute it with evidence, I’ll stick to my story.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
If anything
the strawman argument applies to you.
I’ve simply said he looks like he’s struggling with his swing and pointed out characteristics I remember seeing in the past when he’s struggling.
I don’t have access to the Fox or ESPN archives so that I can pull up video to PROVE this point without question, it’s just my opinion.
He’s the best hitter in the game, of course he’s going to be nearly great even when he’s struggling, but that doesn’t mean everything is right with him either.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
well if you're saying
it LOOKS like he’s struggling but he’s ACTUALLY NOT, then yes, I did pull a strawman and I agree 100%.
You’re not the only one that has seen every game including the 20 inning game in it’s entirety, including 2 games at busch.
What do I remember about all these games? Pujols striking out a lot. Why? It’s a deviation and it goes along nicely with Loss Aversion.
I just know how to get over myself and my gut shot instincts. I shit myself when I checked the numbers and didn’t believe them. But that’s the beauty about empirical evidence.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
I think he's struggling with his swing
And Albert has actually SAID that he’s struggling with his swing.
Just because he’s struggling doesn’t mean that he’s necessarily going to show up in the results.
Check his home/away splits
Pretty clear that he struggled a bit last week isn’t it? His OPS is down nearly 300 points from week one.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
FWIW, Fangraphs tracks infield fly balls.
Won’t settle the argument because it doesn’t include cans of corn in the outfield, but his IFFB% in 2010 is 13.0%, in line with his career norm of 13.3%.
I think the actual argument
is perception vs perceived reality,
Because the actual argument was whether or not pujols was struggling.
When I suggested there isn’t a number that justifies that statement it turned into whether or not he hits lazy flies/pop outs
(because even IF he IS hitting lazy fly balls it doesn’t change the fact he’s putting up Pujols numbers…so ie strawman argument, no?)
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
And......that's not true either
You’re simply cherry picking what I said above, which was three observations, not one.
I’ve noticed some things watching him over the years and when the man says he’s struggling with his swing, I tend to believe him. After all, he surely knows more about his swing than any of us here.
He has been doing all of those things the last week — numerous people I chat with and talk to during games have mentioned it.
Don’t believe me? Fine. But stop with the “perception vs. perceived reality” garbage. You sound more foolish the more you carry this on.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
i'm "cherry picking"
because I never got passed your first nonsensical bullet point.
yeah, it’s my fault for getting into the argument whether or not he’s hitting cans of corn because like I said, even if he his OPS couldn’t give a fuck.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
Perhaps...
..is a wickerman argument instead, by which I mean the good Equalizer-dude wickerman set in Scotland, and not the lame Nicholas Cage wickerman argument set in cowifornia, I mean what’s up with THAT???
:=8/
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
Burning man argument?
I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons
Wouldn't that just be
incoherent ramblings while under the influence of peyote?
"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols
Wait, that's not what this website is?
I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons
Congrats on the kid!
"There's a new sheriff in town." - Brendan Ryan
by jd is legend on Apr 20, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks
As soon as she’s big enough to fit in her Cardinals onesie, there will be pictures. :-)
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
every time I go to the store
I seem to come back with a new cards onesie
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
now that you bring it up
I need to see if I have one uploaded to FB, so I can change my avatar…
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
found one
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
what a beautiful
baby!
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
why thank you
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
If I had a dollar for every time someone on the internet demonstrated lack of comprehension of the term "strawman argument"
I’d be blowing coke out of my arse somewhere on a private island in the bahamas.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Apr 20, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Tee hee
arse
"There's a new sheriff in town." - Brendan Ryan
by jd is legend on Apr 20, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
But he's hitting MORE fly balls
Quite a bit more actually. He’s hitting the same number of homers on each fly ball as he has in his career, but that says nothing about what the other fly balls are that he’s hitting.
If you’ve watched the games in the last week, I find it hard to believe you’d disagree — he’s popped the ball up at least once a game over the last 5-6 games. That’s something he hardly ever does when he’s locked in.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
This whole thread is small sample sizes
I think everyone recognizes that.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
2 cents worth
he is pressing to do better than holliday and doesn’t like walking in front of matt and letting matt have the rbi chances. in short, having a bit of an ego issue and pitchers are taking advantage..
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
a favorite stat may also be $$$$
which he won’t gain leverage on by walking
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
I disagree
if he has a .500 OBP this season I have a feeling that’s going to get noticed in the negotiations over salary.
He’s stated numerous times that his biggest focus is to lead the league in runs every year. That requires getting on base a lot.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
i'm going to attribute
his impatience the past two games to frustration stemming from not being pitched to the entire second half of the 20-inning affair. he’s seemingly come out hacking at anything close since then, be it the first pitch of the AB or ball four.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Right.
Unless Albert suddenly turned into Vlad Guerrero, which would be a downgrade for sure.
You can read it in any tone you like.
If Albert turned into any active baseball player
It would be a downgrade for sure
"There's a new sheriff in town." - Brendan Ryan
by jd is legend on Apr 20, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
What if he turned into Tim Lincecum?
I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons
Still a downgrade
Unless he plays first base on his off days and hits like a league average 1st baseman.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Speaking of people that don't hit like league average first basemen,
Allen Craig.
I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons
allen craig has a 40 percent LD rate.
And some bad luck. I’m not worried.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
by tom s. on Apr 20, 2010 1:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
and a good eye, and patience
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Then we would be a .500 team.
I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons
Maybe it would work out better in like 6-8 years
Right now? No thank you. At least he’d get on TV more.
"There's a new sheriff in town." - Brendan Ryan
by jd is legend on Apr 20, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
If Albert's contract turned into Evan Longoria's, however
that would be, erm, good.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Apr 20, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
is that O.P.S. or is it ops?
While Spinning.
How much were yours? 34 dollars. You know you got a pay raise... right?
W.H.I.P.
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
It's a stealth ops
That’s when a player’s OPS is really high but nobody notices.
Ghostridin’ the WHIP is when a pitcher’s WHIP is really awesome but he’s not doing anything to earn it so it’s probably just luck.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Also, WAR of attrition
is when a player’s yearly WAR steadily declines
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
On the discussion on that the other day
I spell out O.P.S. and I say the whole phrase batting average of balls in play but everything else is an acronym for me
The bible declares an eye for an eye, so, let us now take our vengeance on this murderous ocean. . . You won't be hurting anyone anymore
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Apr 20, 2010 3:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I also spell out
W.P.A.
The bible declares an eye for an eye, so, let us now take our vengeance on this murderous ocean. . . You won't be hurting anyone anymore
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Apr 20, 2010 3:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think Albert is just chomping at the bit.
He appears to be a little out in front on everything. He’ll settle down a little and adjust. I hope.
You can read it in any tone you like.
I hope so too.
But man, he just looks off. No numbers here, but in terms of his approach/outcome, it just seems like he is up there looking to jack a HR every AB. LB’s data on swinging at junk outside the zone back up this impression to some extent.
He LOOKS like he just HAS to yank a HR or it wasn’t a good PA. I dunno…I just see him really looking to pull/swing for the fences every time instead of going up the middle or to RF/RC.
Guys are gonna continue pitching him away; it would be sweet if he would just look away and poke a few doubles/singles to RF to keep them honest. I mean, if one of Skip or Lud gets on base, a freakin’ walk or single so there’s 2 guys on with < 2 outs for Holliday is considerably better than GIDP and/or an unproductive out. We’ve seen A LOT of that from him this year.
It’s early….He’s got his Big Bat Protection now; just get on base, mang! The big numbers will come!
Well, he smoked a line drive up the middle yesterday, but it was right at the CFer.
I don’t know that he’s necessarily trying to pull the ball, though he obviously will hit more HRs that way. I think he’s not seeing the ball quite as well as he normally does, and so he’s guessing and swinging away. He’s looked downright silly on almost all of his strikeouts.
But yes, it is early. I think he will start seeing the ball better and stop swinging at so much junk.
You can read it in any tone you like.
He had some runs like this last year, IIRC
where he looked to be fooled on nearly everything. I guess we have to remember that (despite first appearances) he is human and he does sometimes not looks very good with a bat in his hands. He’s still got a .447 wOBA for the year.
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by Felonius_Monk on Apr 20, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Albert seems to have runs like this every so often
And, to me, this one looks about the same as the usual. They usually last, oh, a couple of weeks (if that), and then he works it out, and he’s back. If he’s still looking like this by the end of May, then we can worry. (Though I’ll be completely shocked if he’s still looking like this by the end of May.)
"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols
I wonder
if Albert is expanding his strike zone because, with Holliday behind him, AP’s expecting to get more pitches to hit. Thus, on 3-0 or 3-1, he’s expecting the pitcher to not want to walk him and to put one in the strike zone. Thus, he ends up swinging at more bad pitches. In previous years with the same count, he would expect a pitch out of the strike zone. If this is the case (I have no evidence), then AP will eventually figure it out and go back to taking his walks.
Old makes the same comment below
sorry, I didn’t read more before posting
champing, i think
i think we’ve had this discussion in a GT.
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by Felonius_Monk on Apr 20, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's frickin great.
A rec for you.
You're the fail to my win?
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Apr 20, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
then it really gets sad round midnight. . .
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
Here's hoping Yadi gets a day off
Or least a few innings. From Joe Pawilkowski’s Fangraphs entry yesterday:
Molina has not had a day off since April 13, an off-day for the team. Since then he has caught 56 innings in five days. The Cardinals travel to Arizona for a three-game set starting this evening. Because Arizona doesn’t observe Daylight Savings Time, this amounts to a two-timezone jump. Would LaRussa dare start Molina again tonight?
The answer was no of course, as Yadi played the whole game yesterday. I know LaRussa lets Molina play when he wants, but at some point, he’s gotta step in and make Molina sit instead of squat.
"But as the leadoff guy that inning, my job is to get on base and let guys drive me in." - Albert Pujols 8/20/09, base-clogger.
The mothership is claiming that Anderson will probably start tonight.
You can read it in any tone you like.
Hmmm.
So, I need to make a point of catching Anderson’s only Cardinals start tonight. I was planning on seeing “Kick-Ass.”
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
That's a tough choice
but I can vouch that Kick-Ass is a freaking awesome movie.
Think; It's not illegal yet.
Since I didn't get to see Anderson when Memphis came to Iowa last week,
it makes the decision a more difficult one. After suffering through Pagnozzi’s horrible defense, maybe I could at least see a catcher who is decent behind the plate. Sunday night, I listened to Rooney and Shannon on the radio. During the pre-game, Rooney was discussing Anderson being called up. He stated that it was for two reasons: (1) Anderson was killing the ball at the AAA, which he was; and (2) Anderson’s defense had improved. To support the second assertion, Rooney relayed a conversation that Shannon had with Mike Matheny, who has worked with Anderson and said that Anderson’s defense has “improved dramatically.”
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
And Anderson will probably only be in St. Louis for another week and a half or so
Will he get another start (other than tonight)? I’d wager no
"There's a new sheriff in town." - Brendan Ryan
by jd is legend on Apr 20, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
well, it somewhat depends on how he does tonight (assuming he's catching)
but i’d wager, so long as lohse doesn’t have a bad outing that gets attributed to anderson, that he’d also catch lohse’s next start.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I still persist that Anderson is a better prospect than most seem to think
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by Felonius_Monk on Apr 20, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree.
I don’t think one injury-plagued season destroys a player’s status as a prospect. Apparently, I am in the vast minority on this. He probably wouldn’t be in my organizational top 10, but he would be on my “prospects to watch” list as a heavy favorite to bounce back after a tough 2009. (So would D.J. Tools.)
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
He'd be about my number 11/12 I think
and I would say that the difference in quality between the guys just outside our top 5 and just inside our top 20 is small – we really don’t have more than 5 or 6 really good prospects.
That said, I think people under-rate just how young Anderson STILL is. He’s a year younger than Tyler Henley.
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by Felonius_Monk on Apr 20, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
For what it is worth,
Mo seems to agree with us on Anderson:
“It’s important that he reestablish himself as a top prospect,” general manager John Mozeliak said. “Remember, he’s 23. He’s still very young.”
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I question the rationale of any evaluator that ranks Robert Stock over Bryan Anderson right now.
Yet every major third party ranking (Law, BA, BP, Sickels) has them ranked that way. It completely baffles me.
Think; It's not illegal yet.
But he's new and shiny!
Joe Morgan would LOVE him.
Jeff Jordan's dad can beat up your dad.
by flipthebird15 on Apr 20, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
He has way more hyperventilated-over-phenom potential
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
HOPP, if you will
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by jd is legend on Apr 20, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
I could go for some morning hops
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
A breakfast stout?
I think that would be more malty than hoppy, though. I could be wrong.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Breakfast IPA.
Better.
"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols
I think Stock's a really tough one to place
he could be a top-5 guy or outside the top 10, depending on how you evaluate his college struggles, whether you consider his first half-year as a pro hitter (against very poor opposition) particularly significant, what you think of his two-way potential (95mph off the mound, but is there any chance he can be a pitcher if it takes them 3-4 years to determine that he’s not going to make it as a catcher?), and how you think the team is looking to develop him. I’m still not really sure what to make of him. At the time, I really hated the pick (and I really loved Bittle). In retrospect, I think I’m reversing my view on both.
Descalso is about the only other legit prospect I can think of who’s quite so polarising – I guess you could have him in our top 5, or well outside our top 10 coming into this year. I reckon most of our other higher end prospects are fairly easy to agree on, in terms of their relative standing in the system.
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by Felonius_Monk on Apr 20, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
The survivor bias between Memphis and Quad Cities has to be considered though.
There’s a huge gap between Robert Stock major leaguer and Robert Stock 2010. There’s a very small gap between Bryan Anderson major leaguer and Bryan Anderson 2010. The problem is that there’s a gap between Bryan Anderson All-Star projected prospect and Bryan Anderson 2010 that people can’t seem to get past.
Think; It's not illegal yet.
Yeah
I still think the chances that Bryan Anderson becomes an average major league catcher are pretty high. That’s a fairly valuable commodity.
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by Felonius_Monk on Apr 20, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
if bryan anderson were on the astros, would he be their starting catcher?
i think that’s reasonably likely. certainly, he’d be catching a lot of innings. trying to think of other teams with a nondescript catching pair – i’m sure there are others that don’t come to mind.
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Padres?
Royals (he’s probably better than any of theirs)?
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by Felonius_Monk on Apr 20, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
doubtful for the Stros...
They have a better prospect at AAA, Jason Castro, than Anderson and the Astros’ current catcher, JR Towles, who’s still young, is a career .299/.390/.473 minor league hitter and is projected by CHONE to bat .252/.332/.409 in 2010. For reference, Anderson’s CHONE .267/.328/381.
None of this is definitive (how could it be in such an exercise) but there’s not much to suggest that Anderson would be the starting catcher for the Stros.
A related question might be: Why is Castro seen as such a better prospect other than that he was a 1st rd pick (e.g., ranked in top 50 by Baseball America)? He is the same age as Anderson, at the same level (AAA), and his 2010 CHONE is .249/.313/.351. He does have a better “defensive reputation,” whatever that is worth.
The overall line for MLB backstops last season was .254/.320/.395.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Apr 20, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Castro = potential
That’s all I can figure. Most scouts see him as a guy with better on base ability and greater power potential than Anderson. Not that he’ll end up that way, just repeating what I’ve read on him.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
I don't think he would, actually
J.R. Towles has better minor league numbers than Anderson does and is a couple of years older. He also was a “can’t miss” catching prospect once upon a time, but his plate discipline and, subsequently, his power never emerged.
They also have Jason Castro at AAA, who’s one of the better catching prospects in baseball.
I would guess that either of those guys would be playing over Anderson if he were with the Astros.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
It would be a shorter list of teams. . .
that have a catcher that is descript(?).
I’m not sure, however, that I would count Anderson as descript at this point either. He’s probably a reasonable facsimile of J.R. Towles, for instance, minus the ability to play QB, of course.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Apr 20, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
At this point were he on the 'Stros, he could start at any position.
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
Wow.
If Mike Matheny approves of Anderson’s defense, that has to be good for the young man’s future with TLR, doesn’t it?
Isn’t Mike Matheny an approved approver of TLR?
by SouthsideCardsFan on Apr 20, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
and it's assuming it's all true
and not a page taken from the red sox book of disinformation – talk up the prospects you are looking to unload.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Yep
i really, really enjoyed kick-ass.
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by Felonius_Monk on Apr 20, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm pretty excited to see the River Bandits live.
I live within spitting distance of the Kane County Cougars stadium (and they just remodeled it) so I’m planning on seeing a couple of Bandits games this year when they’re in town. I was plannning on going in May since the April series is during the week and two of the games are of the “businessman special” variety, but with the roster they have, I’m making every effort to get there next Tuesday night. Just don’t want to run the risk of having some guy called up before they come back mid-May.
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
I would get there as soon as you can.
You don’t know when some of those players will get moved up the minor-league ladder.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
And of course
get there early for autographs, since those are certified MLB material….
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Apr 20, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
those "guys"
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Apr 20, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
they play in beloit like right now
seriously considering heading to see them if shelby is pitching. anyone know of his next start?
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by tgreenfield on Apr 20, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Blazek is starting today.
Shelby last started on April 16, so I’d imagine he would start tomorrow or the next day.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I will meet you there...
…I live in north Aurora. I am thinking tacos at Bien Truca beforehand though.
by BigJawnMize on Apr 20, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Please call them by their proper name...
Quad Cities Wild-West Raccoons.
Note: Above comment may contain gratuitous amounts of sarcasm.
BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS
Hey Houston,
Suck it; you suck
by vexedtechie on Apr 20, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
See?!

Note: Above comment may contain gratuitous amounts of sarcasm.
BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS
Hey Houston,
Suck it; you suck
by vexedtechie on Apr 20, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Are There Many Evil Raccoon Bandits Preying in that Area..
…that they named a team after them?
:=8/
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
Four Towns' worth
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
They should have them...
…dumping over trash cans and eating banana skins and apple cores and coffee grounds…
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
And then washing their hands in the river
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
yup
well, funny thing about the quad cities is, that there’s a lot more than 4 cities clustered together (especially on the IL side of the river)
he is a bit eccentric
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 20, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
i thought there was 5?
isn’t it davenport, moline, east moline, rock island, and bettendorf?
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by Felonius_Monk on Apr 20, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah
they lump the two molines together.
but there are smaller cities such as Milan, Silvis, etc that border on the other towns so it could be like 7 or 8 or more depending on how you evaluate it.
he is a bit eccentric
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 20, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually the original 4 were ...
Davenport, Moline, East Moline, and Rock Island.
by QuadCitiesCardsFan on Apr 20, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions
hmm
did not know that. grew up in between east moline and geneseo btw
he is a bit eccentric
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 20, 2010 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions
how would you know?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
that's the common misconception I guess
or they changed it
he is a bit eccentric
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 20, 2010 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Interesting
I grew up in Bettendorf/Riverdale and we always considered the Quad Cities to be Davenport, Bettendorf, Moline, and Rock Island.
(Though I see on Wikipedia that the original 4 included East Moline.)
by Willie McGee's Twin on Apr 20, 2010 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Moline and East Moline
“But listen, and understand: more Molines are out there…”
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by Solanus on Apr 20, 2010 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
exactly what i was thinking
but couldn’t come up with it – good job.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
keep up the good work.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Should be green by gametime
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Wiki says there are at least 5 towns now
Davenport, Bettendorf, Rock Island, Moline and East Moline, along with a bunch of other smaller communities.
In addition to the five anchor cities, the Quad Cities area also comprises a number of surrounding smaller communities. Examples of these communities include the Iowa cities of Eldridge, Long Grove, Park View, Blue Grass, Buffalo, Montpelier, Walcott, Maysville, McCausland, Mount Joy, New Liberty, Pleasant Valley, Princeton, Le Claire, Panorama Park and Riverdale. The Illinois communities are Silvis, Milan, Andalusia, Carbon Cliff, Coal Valley, Colona, Geneseo, Hampton, Port Byron, Orion, Kewanee, Aledo, and Rapids City.
Down with the serial comma!
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Apr 20, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought it was this?

Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
makers of one of the most annoying songs of all time
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Apr 20, 2010 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I need to go see a game in the qc next time I'm back there...
hopefully it will be soon before some of those guys move up
he is a bit eccentric
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 20, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
burlington
They play in burlington this weekend, looks like i need to go see a couple of games. I live an hour south i dont see near as many games as i should, tiny little park but it cheap, and the games r usually good, not well played but still good
"Chuck Norris CAN divide by zero"
by elirock83 on Apr 20, 2010 3:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
next weekend
The 29, 30,+ 1
"Chuck Norris CAN divide by zero"
by elirock83 on Apr 20, 2010 3:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i really should learn to read the damn
calendar last weekend in may the play in burlington, junk color printers
"Chuck Norris CAN divide by zero"
Says who?
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
I suspect that 95%+ of the time. . .
the correct answer to that poll for any organization would be the AAA team, for the reason that you indicate in your last paragraph, lboros.
That being said, is it just me, or does Memphis does appear to have a ton more “depth” players than at any time in recent history. And I’m not just talking about minor league veterans that can rightly be labelled as Quadruple-A guys, those guys who have already proven not to be able to major league “regulars” as you define them, but are capable of filling in for a two-week period. I mean guys who could provide major-league depth at worst.
BTW, lboros, welcome back to posting even if it is only for a day.
Albert’s chase rate is concerning, I agree.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Apr 20, 2010 10:26 AM EDT reply actions
I disagree.
I would suspect that a plurality of the time, it is the AA affiliate that has the most potential MLB regulars on its roster. AAA rosters seem to have a lot of AAAA replacement players on them, guys who will fill in for a spell as need dictates, but won’t ever start 120 MLB games. (This is coming from someone who grew up and continues to watch a lot of AAA games.)
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I agree that the Cardinals treated their AAA affiliate this way in the recent past. . .
but I think that was more out of necessity than it was by design.
I would imagine that the attrition rates increase exponentially as you go down each level in the minors.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Apr 20, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
It's interesting
that at the present time, Memphis, Springfield, and QC are all getting large numbers of votes. I interpret that to mean that folks see a lot of potential at a lot of places in our system.
The wild thing about Pujols's zone-stretching is that his swinging strike rate has stayed very low.
Rates like O-swing also regress, so hopefully Pujols and Carlos Silva will continue to have the same O-swing% all year as one gets even better and the other goes back to being awful.
Also, hitting more flies isn’t necessarily a bad thing. Despite a big spike in K rate, Pujols wOBA has stayed quite high thanks to the increased power he is showing evidenced by those hard-hit flies.
I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons
and his hr/fb ratio is at career totals
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
And his FB% is up 8% over last year.
So, his HR/PA is likely a bit higher, right?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
HR/PA career: 1:16.56
HR/PA 2009: 1:14.89
HR/PA 2010: 1:12.4
Pretty dramatic.
I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons
Quite a bit higher.
Maybe he’ll 77 homers this year and put all of this asterisk nonsense to rest.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
O-Swing isn't very predictive after 40 plate appearances.
I think the 50% regression rate is at 200.
by vivaelpujols on Apr 20, 2010 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Pujols
I think he’s struggling with his swing, which is leading him to chase a lot of pitches he normally wouldn’t swing at. He’s still crushing the baseball and one of the ways that we’ve always been able to spot Albert struggling is that he starts popping the ball up a lot. It just so happens that he’s doing it at the beginning of the season this year. I would guess if you took snapshots of his PA’s from last September and a few other 2 week periods in his career where he’s been less-than-Albert, his FB and IFFB rates have gone up over those periods and his line drive and ground ball rates have gone down.
FWIW, I’m not too worried about it. He’s extremely focused on scoring lots of runs, and with Holliday and Colby starting to get it going behind him, I definitely think he’ll begin taking more walks as the season progresses since he’ll probably score 25-30% of the time that he reaches first base. If he gets on base at his career clip, I have no doubt that he’ll lead the league in runs scored by a wide margin and that seems to be what he’s most concerned about as an offensive player.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
I wonder if its an effect of Holliday
He figures with Holliday behind him, he’ll see more strikes and is guessing more when the count goes to 3 balls. However, the pitchers have still continued to pitch around him (as they always have) which means he’s swinging at more bad pitches than in the past. I can’t see him keeping this up for much longer.
by olddomination on Apr 20, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Could be.
Go to a day-by-day database search on how much less Pujols walked after the Holliday trade last year. It’s dramatic, but not necessarily because he saw more strikes.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
In the past
When Pujols didn’t really have solid protection hitting behind him (2006-1st half 2009), he seemed to take hacks at balls out of the zone when there were 2 outs and none on/man on first or when the count went to 3-1. However, he usually ended up taking his walk when there were 2 strikes on him. This year, it seems that in some at-bats he takes multiple hacks at ball 4. Again, I’ll have to check AB graphs to prove this.
by olddomination on Apr 20, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
If there's one thing in life that I've learned over the past 10 years
It’s don’t worry about Pujols.
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Apr 20, 2010 10:41 AM EDT reply actions 5 recs
Especially 12 games into a season
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
probably the best post of this thread
unfortunately (fortunately?) it’s about all we have to worry about right now
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
Also, can we welcome Ryan Ludwick back to the living?
In that 20 inning game he played like he was on ecstasy, but the last two days have seen him bring his hitting numbers back above 2009 levels. His P/PA is one of the highest on the team, and his high BABIP is matched with a low HR/FB, so they should counteract one another as they regress. If we get anything close to 2008 Ludwick this year, our offense will probably be in the top five or ten in the majors.
I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons
apparently nearly killing David Freese in BP was all he needed
…
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Apr 20, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
He has looked locked in, that's for sure.
I think he likes batting second.
You can read it in any tone you like.
now if only he'd run the bases better than Brendan Ryan...
/tongue-in-cheek
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Apr 20, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
I can think of more than one person
who would like batting in front of Albert, even a struggling version of Albert
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
Moving him to the 2 hole was a good idea
I also think that it’s clear that Mac has had a big effect on his approach, because he’s swinging at a lot fewer first pitches than he did either of the last two seasons.
I still think he has a bad tendency to chase balls up, and he usually ends up hitting lazy fly balls or swinging through those pitches. If he can learn to lay off of the high cheese and stay locked in on the ball down in the zone, we’ll be seeing something close to the 2008 Ludwick I think. My avatar-less profile depends on it!
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
As a numbers-first poster, I generally give little credence to arguments about batting order positions,
but Ludwick just looks like a different guy when he’s hitting earlier in the order. Also, I think his batting stance affects his ability to hit pitches up and pitches away while it makes him better on stuff low and inside.
I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons
lol second time you brought up "looks like"
i feel like I’m in the twilight zone here.
Like I said earlier, I’m a hugggeeee fan of “looks like” especially in social situations (because we have a shit-ton of our brain dedicated to people reading, women more so). There are times to go with your adaptive unconscious and sometimes it’ll get you killed (literally).
How We Decide, Black Swan, and Gladwell’s books are excellent about this subject.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
I'm in a good mood,
perhaps it’s making me more prone to irrationality.
Also, thinking of picking up something Gladwell for my next book. Is one better than the others? Are the themes redundant?
I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons
Don't grab his last book...I'm reading it now...
Gladwell has the ability to make the every day so profound. He has almost no real empirical support in his conclusions, however, even the most discriminating empiricists name drop gladwell in their books. He can write an entire book about “the grass is green” and it not be a metaphor and it would be riveting.
With that verbal blowie, I’ll recommend BOTH Blink and Outliers, heavily.
Blink is all about your “gutshot” feeling. Outliers is more of a “talent is overrated” book where it even brings up the exact published studies as “talent is overrated” however, it’s just a better narrative about how why we think Mozart/Tiger Woods were just “born” great.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
The Tipping Point is also very good
I will recommend just about anything Gladwell.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Not much of a sample size before this year as a #2 hitter
I figured TLR had Ludwick all over the batting order at the start of the 2008 season, so I scanned the first two months of games. Ludwick started and batted 2nd one game early in April and went 3-5.
by olddomination on Apr 20, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
In a "numbers first" sense
Look at his career numbers when batting second. His OPS is over 1.000 there.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Yeah, the question is why is that the case.
And I’ve never heard that answered adequately.
I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons
I have no idea
The vast majority of those PA’s have come with the Cardinals and occurred in 2007 and 2008, meaning they’ve all come hitting in front of Pujols.
I guess I’m not that concerned with the “why”, I’m just concerned with the results. I guess that’s the little bit of La Russa rubbing off on me or something.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
You could have just memed:
“Because Tony La Russa”
I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons
I've actually used "meme" in a IRL convo
…I think meme is now a meme.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
meme is a pretty old concept
IIRC it relates to some richard dawkins bollocks about societal inheritance (i.e. the cultural equivalent of “gene”), and it’s been a term to describe internet phenomena pretty much as long as I’ve been on the internet…
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Apr 20, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, but the the self parody is
that internet people weren’t normal people back then…they were usually dorks and nerds (I was rocking the AOL dial up on win 3.11). Now everybody knows what a meme is.
meme went meme.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
I think I get ya.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Apr 20, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
i did that recently
and no one had ever heard of a meme. a softball team of 14 people, men and women, aged 19-36, and no one knew WTF i was talking about
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
I think it's perfectly plausible that a player would knowingly or unknowingly change his approach
in different spots in the lineup. Of course, that raises (it does not beg!) the question of whether or not it’s a good idea for a player to try to hit differently because of which spot he’s in. There is plenty of anecdotal evidence that Albert might change his approach (for better or worse) depending on how much help he has around him; it’s more or less the same phenomenon in my opinion.
Anybody (thepainguy especially, since I distinctly remember him talking about this in the off-season) have an opinion on Luddy’s jerky mannerisms at the plate? Does he seem like he’s eliminated some of that unnecessary movement and rocking back and forth? Was that even a problem to begin with?
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
I'd have to see this year and last year side by side to see for sure
But just from what I’ve noticed, his head seems to stay more stationary this year. His hands and upper body are still pretty active right up until the pitcher releases the ball, then they go quiet, just like last year.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Of course
You’re hoping he comes in at .899 in the first half and then explodes for a 1.000+ in the second half, right?
RIGHT?
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
But second half production is "the very definition" of "valuable", right?
So if this happened he’d be stealing MVP votes away from Albert.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
is it just me
or does his batting stance look different
i can’t quite place what it is. less movement? more upright? more open? something
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
Now that you mention it,
It looks more open to me than his stance from last year. Perhaps this was done to limit his head tilt?
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
If Jay Comes Up
I would assume that Craig at this point will go down. For whatever reason, this staff seems to love Stav. Craig has not been doing much at the plate and Mather has versatility.
Craig's taken more PA than Stav
and they seem VERY unwilling to have Stav out in the field, at all; he’s usually been used for one at-bat and then switched out one way or another. I still think Craig’s ahead in the pecking order.
And, even despite that Stav dinger off Hoffman, neither have really hit much.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Apr 20, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
that nice diving catch by Craig probably helps
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
According to Leach,
the Cards are “keeping tabs on Jay”:
Outfielder Jon Jay’s hot start at Triple-A Memphis has not gone unnoticed within the Cardinals’ organization. That doesn’t mean he’s on the next plane to join the team, but he’s at least on the club’s radar.
Jay, 25, entered Monday’s game batting .362 with a .412 on-base percentage and a .596 slugging percentage for Memphis. He’s a left-handed hitter, and the Cardinals don’t currently have any of those on their bench — save for switch-hitter Felipe Lopez. Meanwhile, playing time has been scarce for right-handed hitters Allen Craig, Joe Mather and Nick Stavinoha — especially Stavinoha, who entered Monday’s game with seven plate appearances.
“I think it’s flexible or fluid,” general manager John Mozeliak said when asked about his team’s bench. “One thing that we think about when looking at it is playing time. At some point, if we feel we’re just not getting enough at-bats for somebody here, it may make sense to switch.”
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Can John Jay play the infield?
If not, I don’t see how he’d be a huge change — you’d still have 6 OF’s on the roster vying for playing time, and the top three should and will play 90% of the time.
I think Jay is a better fit than Stav just because he can play great defense, play CF, and is a left handed bat. But that just means that one of Mather or Craig will get fewer PA’s as a result. There’s only so many OF PA’s to go around.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Anybody can play 2B
/old memes
"There's a new sheriff in town." - Brendan Ryan
by jd is legend on Apr 20, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
It's true!
Even lefty/lefty outfielders. Tony would do it.
Jeff Jordan's dad can beat up your dad.
by flipthebird15 on Apr 20, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
I understand the meme
And find it to be funny, but I’ve discussed this before. We could maybe try him at short, though.
I was reading about how countless species are being pushed toward extinction by man's destruction of forests. Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us. - Calvin, Scientific Progress Goes "Boink", Watterson
In many respects
if we just want someone on the bench to play OF defense and run the bases, we’d be as well calling up Shane Robinson. Garbage though his hitting is, he’s got a nice glove and can play CF adequately (or a corner spot very well), and is a decent baserunner. He’s probably less redundant than Stav in that regard.
That said, Jay’s a lefty, and there is something to be said about having another of those on the roster. Also, if we’re merely picking someone to be a defense/pinch-runner-type guy, Tyler Greene makes more sense. As you say, we’re short on infielders, Greene’s got a nice glove, can actually play SS (rather than just be a decent facsimile of a major league shortstop like Floppy), and is probably the best baserunner in the whole organisation.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Apr 20, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
but lopex has been playing very well at short this season
and greene has been erratic at short this season.
/defending the guy sporting a 0.00 ERA
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I've been playing with this idea in my head for awhile
But would a 5-day or 16-day moving average for statistics be helpful? I was thinking about Schumaker’s defensive improvements over the course of the season last year, and thought a moving average, or at least a graph of the derivative would be useful in seeing that
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
monthly splits are already really statistically noisy
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
Holy god.
Allen Craig has hit 40% line drives. His BABIP should be around .500.
I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons
Instead it
sits at .100. I’m ready for some regression.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

Jeff Jordan's dad can beat up your dad.
by flipthebird15 on Apr 20, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
TLR seems to like Stav in PH situations though
He is the go to guy right now in PH situations which is why I think that he would have a better chance to stay. Agree that Craig’s approach is much more sound and his minor league numbers much healthier but TLR is set in his ways. Craig may have more PA than Stav because Craig spot starts more. Also, Craig had a few PA in the 20 inning game where Stav had only one (I think – going off of memory.) TLR is looking for the guy off the bench to give him that hit and play the PH role and Stav seems to be the guy he likes. Again, last night he was used in the 8th.
Green Man is my Roller Derby Teams potential mascot lol
Here he is at a Roller Girl after party…

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
Green Man
…is hilarious.
Here is Green Man heckling some Kings defenseman (it may be slighly doctored,,,nah)
Here is a really really weird article about people who where spandex suits who call themselves Zentai because the head to toe Lycra really makes them feel good.
I absolutely love “It’s Always Sunny” and Charlie donning the Green Man suit is the best.
pretty sure tony knows craig is the much better hitter
as the season progresses i think you’ll see him pinch-hitting in high leverage situations as opposed to stav (if stav is still around)
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
we shall see
right now, Stav is clearly his go to guy. Don’t get me wrong, I hope that it becomes Craig soon enough.
Oh, I don't know how clear it is.
Craig has double the plate appearances of Stav.
You can read it in any tone you like.
Craig has 16 PA in 5 games
Stav has 8 PA in 9 games. Too me it is pretty clear who is being getting the most opportunities in high leverage PH roles.
Craig’s PA were as follows:
4/8 started the game and received 4 PA. Was eventually pulled in double switch for pitcher
4/11 put in a mop up role in Molina’s spot in lineup when Jason LaRue took over catching duties then Stav eventually took over. 2 PA
4/15 pitch hit early in the game against Bud Norris. Stav PH late in same game. 1 PA.
4/16 started in RF. Was replaced with a double switch – pitcher taking his spot. 4 PA
4/17 marathon game. Nobody left on the bench to pull him out. Ended up with 5 PA.
From what I can see, Craig gets the spot start and the occasional PH opportunity, hence he has more ABs. Stav gets the more high leverage crucial PH role so plays in more games and gets less ABs.
To me it is pretty clear that Stav is the go to guy. Maybe things will change and Craig will become that guy.
by Green Man! on Apr 20, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
it's only because stav has been around
and craig is a rook – that’s TLR’s way, but just give it a month. which do you think is the better hitter?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Craig IMO is obviously the better hitter
My point is that right now, regardless of reason, Stav is given the role of PH for high leveraged situations. Craig is not getting these opportunities right now.
The discussion started with Jay being called up over Stav. My point is that as of now, if Jay was called up, I would think that Craig would be sent down over Stav because right now Stav has more trust from the manager. I do understand that Mo controls the roster and I do believe that Craig is a better option but TLR is TLR and he does things his way, right or wrong. I also think that Mo would consult with TLR if there was a transaction being made and that Stav would stay. Furthermore, in the future this could all change and Craig could start raking and be given more responsibility.
maybe we could trade stav for volquez?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
only if stav will use enhancements first
then we should do it. But everyone is afraid of an enhanced Stav infection.
by Green Man! on Apr 20, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
he could claim he thought they were antibiotics
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Apr 20, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Only if they threw in Bruce
Stav is clutch! And he won’t clog the basepaths by taking a bunch of walks. It’s a dream trade for Dusty.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
I see what you're saying.
But since Craig has actually gotten starts and PAs in succession, I see him as being more of a go-to guy for TLR. Perhaps he’s not the go-to pinch-hitter, but he is a go-to sub and spot starter. I think there is more weight in that.
You can read it in any tone you like.
The game log says otherwise
of his 16 PA 5 came by necessity as one of the last players used in a 20 inning game. Another 2 came during garbage time in the MIL game where we came back to tie then lose.
He is getting some spot starts to stay fresh but is not seemingly being used in high leverage situations when he and Stav are both available. Last night was a prime example.
another way to look at it
is tony tries to get them both some time, and since craig is thought to be way better he merits a start, which sort of leaves ph’ing as the only way to get stav in, because they will not put him in the field.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
That is exactly my point.
He disagrees or doesn’t see it. Oh well.
You can read it in any tone you like.
I see what you are saying
but do not think that a manager would put a person in for PH duty in a high leverage situation just to get him some work. You do that for garbage time and pinch hitting early in the game when your pitcher works 5 innings and you are behind 4 runs.
So basically, I am disagreeing with your assessment.
Plus the fact that Craig’s defense was considered poor by the organization and that is the only thing that has kept him from a big league job. He has been hitting for a while now and this has been his first opportunity in the big leagues.
We can agree to disagree!
I am new to participating in this board and my personality is not really known. I am hard headed and have to make sure that everyone understands my point! I am also very opinionated. Oh well!
if we wait for our starter to go 5 innings
stav would never bat, because it doesn’t happen (how ’bout them starters!).
also, craig is actually a decent outfielder, whereas stav is not. he might even have a decent glove at third, but because of his arm we’re not going to find out, i guess.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
For purposes of illustration:
Allen Craig

Nick Stavinfection

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
end of discussion
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I don't think his defense is the only thing keeping him from having a
big league job. He is on the team. If Stavinoha’s defense isn’t keeping HIM from having a job, then this truly isn’t the case with Craig. And really, Matt Holliday’s contract is the thing keeping Allen Craig from having a starting job. When Craig’s BABIP falls in line – and it will – he could be seen as a starter for next season. Or maybe they’ll trade him.
The bottom line is that Tony plays small sample sizes. Stav is getting these shots before Craig because he’s got more “experience” (what with his previous call-ups and his limited “success” as a pinch hitter) and he hit that game-winning HR off Hoffman. I don’t think Tony genuinely believes that Stav has a better bat, but only that it’s a hotter bat. (It really isn’t. Stav had one good hit. But that’ s how Tony is.
I think Tony trusts Craig’s talent. That’s why he’s played nearly as much as Joe Mather. I understand the point you are making, but looking to these pinch-hitting, high-leverage situations is a limited way of looking at things. Allen Craig has a future as an everyday player. Stavinoha does not. PH-ing Stav – and giving Craig two starts – supports that view.
You can read it in any tone you like.
I think it's funny that everyone thinks Stav...
has TLR’s confidence but Craig does not. Is this based on the terrible 80 PA’s Stav had last year? Why would that engender confidence?
TLR does not control who is on the roster. The fact that he was using Stav over Craig late last year is because Stav was the roster and Craig was not. I guarantee you TLR did not look at Craig’s and Stav’s minor league offensive numbers (while craig was winning Player of the Year) and say to himself, “I’ll take the guy who is worse at hitting and defending.” Now that both are on the roster, Stav has half the PA’s that Craig has and no field time. That’s a lot more telling than these mindless TLR conspiracy theories.
Stav is the 25th man on the roster (not counting backup catchers who do not normally PH). His usage is consistent with that.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Apr 20, 2010 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree,
but I also think it’s a fallacy to think that TLR has no input on the 25 man roster. He obviously doesn’t set it, but I’m sure his voice is heard.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I agree TLR probably has input...
as he should. But he obviously can’t use players not on the roster. And now that both players are on, Craig is used twice as much.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Apr 20, 2010 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions
aha
but what if tony thinks that mo thinks that stav is better than craig, and so tony is just playing craig over stav to spite mo? as conspiracy theorists, we must consider all viable motivations.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
basically
stav sucks at defense so his only role is as power bat off the bench.
I keep making this comparison, but I’ll make it again. he’s like the new john rodriguez
allen craig is a new guy so tony isn’t going to play him that often or put him into high pressure situations.
apples and oranges, the 2 shouldn’t really be compared too much.
he is a bit eccentric
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 20, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with some of this
I agree with
1. Stav sucks.
2. Craig is new and does not have Tony’s confidence so does not play in high pressure situations.
I do not believe that the organization thinks that Stav is worse defensively than Craig because Craig has not been given an opportunity in STL because of his defensive limitations from most accounts. Craig has clearly been the better hitter in the minors.
he made an amazing play in the OF
sure, they don’t value his defense that much, but with more playing time and if he makes plays like that, they will. I guess we don’t know for sure if they think his defense is better than stav’s, but I’d wager they probably do.
he is a bit eccentric
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 20, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
see my comment above
the only reason you don’t hear about stav being limited by his defense is because there’s so much else he’s limited by that the defense will never be a factor.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Maybe Stav's potential to be the emergency catcher factors. Maybe, too, TLR likes players with multi-syllable names.
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
i doubt it
i think tony can see that craig is hitting the ball hard and not finding any holes. the number of PAs given to the 4-6 outfielders is telling
stav has half as many as mather and carig
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
Yeah
Every once in a while I have to remind myself that the coaching staff isn’t totally dumb. They know when a hitter has a good approach but just doesn’t have anything to show for it yet. I’m not too worried about Craig vs. Stav right now, but it’s still fun to joke around about, cause Tony is Tony.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Yeah and I'm pretty sure....
the coaching staff is aware that Craig won Minor League Player of the Year last year.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Apr 20, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
Yeah, I think baseball lifers are much more attuned to the reality of a guy who’s stinging the ball and hitting it right at people than most fans are.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Apr 20, 2010 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
when you put it that way....
I didn’t know big Z was doing it like this:
Carlos Zambrano’s ERA has dropped after each of his past two starts; the only problem with that is it has gone from 54.00 to 11.88 to 9.45. Zambrano has allowed 20 hits in 13 1/3 innings and has given up at least one homer in all three of his outings.– bbtn
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
What's his rate on Gator Aid demolition?
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
the Scrubs pitching staff doesn't impress me...
I still can’t believe they went with Marmol at closer…have they not watched him try to close games out the last two years?
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Apr 20, 2010 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Who else do they have?
Samardzija is their version of Motte (at least so far) and Caridad (their current righty set-up guy) is, at least this far in his MLB career, very mediocre.
Marmol’s been absolutely nails so far this year and, at least pre-2009, has been pretty awesome. Even if he continues to walk guys at his 2009 rate and go for as many dingers as he did last year (which was a bit unlucky), he’s still probably their best relief pitcher.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Apr 21, 2010 6:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Fun with SSS
4 of the Cards’ starters have FIPs under 3.10. The 5th is Chris Carpenter.
"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols
ahahahahah awesome.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
There's no problem with Albert
Even though he’s swinging at pitches out of the strike zone, he’s swinging at pitches in his hitting zone….anadhahah…ah…euuuggghh…..!!!!!
Sorry guys, I don’t know what happened…last thing I know, I was sitting at my computer, logging on to VEB, now I’m sitting here wearing what seems to be a suit that would fit a Goodyear blimp…It seems that I was possessed by the ghost of Joe Morgan.
I’d like to see Albert be more selective than he has in past seasons. He actually has decent protection now so I would think that he would actually be MORE patient, but that seems to not be the case. I wonder if he doesn’t trust Matt Holliday as much as we think he should. Anyway, he is Albert afterall, and I have no doubt that he will figure it out.
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
i have to question you credibility and inclinations for bias, albrtfn
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
why is that?
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
your screen name maybe
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Oh
I get it. I didn’t know that being a fan of Albert made me different than everyone else on this board
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
it doesn't
it just makes you as biased as the rest of us
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
ummm
I wasn’t mad. I just didn’t understand what you meant.
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
i forgive you
/now i’m being snarky
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
apology accepted
any idea what that song means?
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
no idea
i searched for “wanna fight about it?” and that came up. i listened to the first 15 seconds or so and decided it was just what we needed to salvage our relationship
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
Oh I'm so glad you two were able to use your words and the power of song to solve your problems.
Truly proud.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
Future teacher in the making...
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Apr 20, 2010 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions
BTW
1) I do NOT play well with others
2) I run with scissors
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Apr 20, 2010 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions
You're going to need some individual attention and intervention young man!
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
I love it.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
they've got one of the coolest SBN blogs out there
I think the level of memery and irreverence is similar to VEB, just with far fewer people.
Which, I suppose, is probably a fair proxy for the relationship between the Royals and the Cardinals…
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Apr 20, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
What?
They have a tagline!
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Wow.
Just when I thought I couldn’t feel any sorrier for the Royals’ fans…
"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols
like the Royals owner has any real money!
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
yeah, just half of walmart
that’s all
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
Go Springfield!
St. Louis Cardinals and Indy Colts fan. Avid fan of the Springfield Cardinals, the Cards' AA team!
oh god....i thought this was a parody site....
I almost want one of those “102nd time is a charm” cause it reeks of sarcasm…
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
...apparently the cubs are scheduled to play 167 games this year.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
But haven't you heard?
This is Year 1 for the Cubs. I guess their futility odometer only has two digits.
I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.
by The Continental on Apr 20, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
lboros!
great post… hopefully someone can do some research on those questions, very interesting insights. I think that they are going through an adjustment period with the new hitting philosophy and of course, the beginning of a new season. Pujols is probably just honing in with all of that and the post-surgery elbow.
he is a bit eccentric
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 20, 2010 1:19 PM EDT reply actions
They had a hitting philosophy before?
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Apr 20, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
B-E A-G-G-R-E-S-S-I-V-E!
he is a bit eccentric
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 20, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Anyone else worried about this??
Calcaterra confirms a National League pitcher will be suspended 50 games in the near future for violating the league’s substance abuse policy.
Well we know it isn't Reyes,
as it’s only a semi-big player.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
semi-big player
is my nickname for my johnson. Semi-big is the champ of mediocrity however I’ve decided mediocrity is underrated.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
you're lucky I lasted this long.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
TWRKS5S.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
by tom s. on Apr 20, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
yeah, usually followed by
I’m sorry, this has never happened to me before, it’s just it’s been a long time and you’re so hot…..
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
I don't know that I'd be bothered if it was Franklin.
I would be bothered if it was Penny.
You can read it in any tone you like.
I would be bothered if it were Franklin
Even after taking the juice, he still sucked
by olddomination on Apr 20, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Even after getting busted for juicing
He continued to juice
"There's a new sheriff in town." - Brendan Ryan
by jd is legend on Apr 20, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
50 games w/o franklin???
hmmmmm
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
maybe someone should spike his drink with some nandrolone...
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Apr 20, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Penny wouldn't surprise me actually
at all. But then you could probably say that for 50+ guys in the NL.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Apr 20, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
My money's on Zambrano.
"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols
maybe it's Joe Mather
nah, he’s too tall
he is a bit eccentric
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 20, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
TEARS!
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
Given our managers, hitting coach and numerous active players records on this matter
ya, that concerns the heck out of me.
Think; It's not illegal yet.
There is a decent chance it is Arroyo...here's to hoping:
From USA Today, 8/13/2009:
“I have a lot of guys in (the locker room) who think I’m out of (my) mind because I’m taking a lot of things not on the (MLB-approved) list,” Arroyo says. "I take 10 to 12 different things a day, and on the days I pitch, there’s four more things. There’s a caffeine drink I take from a company that (former teammate) Curt Schilling introduced me to in ‘05. I take some Korean ginseng and a few other proteins out there that are not certified. But I haven’t failed any tests, so I figured I’m good.
yeah
it’s probably him.
he is a bit eccentric
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 20, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
wow in the ped witch hunt that is today
that is a ballsy thing to say, regardless.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
if ballsy
is synonymous with idiotic, I agree.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
It oftentimes is
"There's a new sheriff in town." - Brendan Ryan
by jd is legend on Apr 20, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
It would certainly suck from a PR standpoint,
but it would suck slightly less if it’s really a pitcher. Imagine if a Cardinals hitter tested positive for PEDs the year McGwire became the hitting coach. The horror.
You can read it in any tone you like.
To be consistent
I couldn’t care less if Albert, Rasmus, Holliday, Carpenter, Wainwright and Garcia are all juicing. I just don’t want to lose a player for 50 games.
Think; It's not illegal yet.
i heard it's actually chuckie fick. that's how he's gotten all he's completely awesome results.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
*his
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
I heard chuckie fick is the bee's knees...
Too bad az hates him, and his whole family.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Apr 20, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not concerned in the least, actually
There’s been little movement within the organization’s pitchers at AAA that would bear out someone coming up to make a start, so it’s either one of our relievers or the club doesn’t know yet.
My guess? It’s some stupid ass supplement that somebody was taking and didn’t know what was in it. The J.C. Romero saga all over again.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
i'm not concerned
because there is 93% chance the player doesn’t even play for the st louis cardinals
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
heh
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
Hey, maybe it's He Who Shall Not Be Named!
Then we don’t have to face him tonight!
"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols
say what I didn't hear you?
Chuck Norris doesn't need a bat.
he just roundhouse kicks the ball out of the park.
by bearcatcardfan on Apr 20, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
That's why they're
waiting to announce it until tomorrow.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
supposedly it is not a NY player
he is a bit eccentric
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 20, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Thank God!
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
by ClemsonGirl on Apr 20, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
our long national nightmare is over
by DanUpBaby on Apr 20, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Don't get hasty
could be a Boston pitcher?
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
in other news, is the msnbc sports peacock at the top always green?
or is this an april 20th thing?
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
by tom s. on Apr 20, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
it might be" green" week on nbc
they did that the last couple of years
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
WAG - brett myers.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
total meth head
he is a bit eccentric
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 20, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Completely random guess
Matt Capps
"There's a new sheriff in town." - Brendan Ryan
by jd is legend on Apr 20, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Do I get any nice parting gifts?
"There's a new sheriff in town." - Brendan Ryan
by jd is legend on Apr 20, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
You get the home version of VEB
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
i sooooo scooped you and goold at the bottom of the page
get with it dude! ;)
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by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 20, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
feel bad for the guy
you know he’s just trying to get to where he can pitch
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
well
would he have even been back in the next 50 days? might not be that bad
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
The Rockies owner was found dead in a hotel room in Salt Lake City.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=5118950&campaign=rss&source=twitter&ex_cid=Twitter_espn_5118950
Sad day for baseball it looks like.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
And by owner I mean president.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
I wanna know
what was he doing in SLC? There’s no MLB team there, unless he went to see game 3 of the Nuggets-Jazz playoffs?
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Apr 20, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
They said he was there on business with the team.
And other team officials were there with him. Is there a minor league team there?
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
Nope
Colorado Springs Sky Sox: Tulsa Drillers, Modesto Nuts, Tri-City (Pasco, WA) Dust Devils, Casper Ghosts and DSL (Domincan Republic) Rockies. The Salt Lake Bees are in AAA, and in the Sky Sox’ division, but they aren’t scheduled to play each other until early June.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Apr 20, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
And answer: Yes.
The Salt Lake City Bees. I imagine that’s why he was there.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
When I re-read your post
I realized you meant any team, not just a Rockies affiliate.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Apr 20, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I assume they were checking out players.
For future trade possibilities or whatever else they would look at players for.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
Bromances.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Apr 20, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
man, that's young.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
That was big news here in my home state.
He’s from Primgahr, IA originally
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
So the cardinals are facing
Dan haren. Hmmm, that name sounds familiar. Anybody ever hearD of this guy???
by JWO on Apr 20, 2010 2:06 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Seems so long ago
Actually, I am surprised to look back and see he only appeared in 28 games as a Card. (14 in 03, 14 in 04)
His .7 WAR in 2010 already equals or betters his value to our club in those years. He really turned into a damn fine pitcher. But you all knew that.
Hey Ump!
has this been posted already? courtesy goold.

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
by tom s. on Apr 20, 2010 2:21 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
He looks like someone
Who didn’t take crap from anyone.
by JWO on Apr 20, 2010 2:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Probably took plenty of crap
from his older brothers when he was a kid. Probably an important element in his makeup now.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Apr 20, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
They have Ponderosa's there?
Also, he had the same body type back then, I see.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Apr 20, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
His eyes
are following me.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Apr 20, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
are you anywhere near second base
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Nah
on first, thinking about taking a big lead…
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Apr 20, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
for all you whisky fans
here is a summary from texts I sent out last night, I was at a whisky tasting:
Attended Whiskies of the World (whisky tasting). Irish were the first to invent it, Scots were the first to drink it. Blackbush from Bushmills was one of the favorites of the table. Talisker was very funky, almost leathery tasting with hints of tobacco (old guy liked it though). got to try the brand spankin new Crown Royal Black (yum). Sat at a table with a dude from Tennessee, a couple, and an old man that looked like John Lovitz. George Dickels Whisky from Tennessee is my new favorite (most of the table agreed). Bushmills 2nd. Crown royal black 3rd. was in a very zen zone… splurge for good whisky if you can. oh yeah alos tried Johnny Walker Green Label, pretty good too.
he is a bit eccentric
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 20, 2010 2:41 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Ooh, lovely.
Which reminds me…I should really have some more of that Glenfiddich tonight.
"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols
If you ever have a chance,
try some Middleton’s. It’s made in the old Jameson distillery, and at a minimum, 15 years old. It run’s aboot $140 a bottle out here, but, WOW!
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
would love to try that
but I won’t be buying any of that stuff, lol!
he is a bit eccentric
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 20, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
My buddy just got one in,
it’s the smoothest thing I have ever tasted.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I'll bet
I’m amazed at the variety of whiskys out there
he is a bit eccentric
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 20, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
If you're ever in a high class joint
look for it. It’s worth the $15 – $20 they’ll charge you for it. Eat the ice.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
sounds delicious
hopefully they use water filtered ice too
he is a bit eccentric
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 20, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
try Red Breast
if you like the Irish whisky. I usually drink Jamesons (when i drink whisky), and a bartender in Miami recommended it. It’s smoove. And at only $40-50 a bottle, it’s much more reasonable than Midleton – which I’ve heard good things about.
Oooh
I really like Johnny Walker green, it’s a cool blend I believe that’s actually very good. The wife got it for me for my birthday once or twice.
Talisker is awesome too, and my dad’s favorite. In fact, I have a bottle of the ten year in my kitchen right now.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
If you want a cheap, good whisky
try teacher’s.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Apr 20, 2010 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions
ESPN website
currently sponsored by CR Black
/cookies!
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
can anyone give me a good reason why all star voting starts today?
looking at stats only, ryan franklin is an all star today. vernon wells is an all star today. you could make a good case rick ankiel is an all star today. 3/5 of the cardinals rotation are all stars. pujols is not.
seriously, why start it today?
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by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 20, 2010 2:43 PM EDT reply actions
so that everybody who is just going to vote for whoever's name is on sportscenter a lot can get it out of the way?
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
To give the host city plenty of time to stuff the ballot box.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Apr 20, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
You're probably on to something there
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
To get a large enough sample of votes
"There's a new sheriff in town." - Brendan Ryan
by jd is legend on Apr 20, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Because...why not?
And, also, many of the voters won’t bother to look at stats anyway?
"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols
all it does is encourage people who won't look at stats anyway to vote.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 20, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
everything.
do you really want to see david ortiz at the all star game?
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by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 20, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
But its not up to just me.
Its also up to the 10, 11, 12 year old kids who have no idea who the fuck Ben Zobrist is but wanna see Big Papi!!!!
But they teach sabremetrics in school now. . .
right?
Isn’t that what so-called ‘new math’ is all about?
by SouthsideCardsFan on Apr 20, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
can't they just wait to see him making appearances at six flags in a couple years or whatever
retired players who aren’t any good anymore do?
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
Na, you have to watch them struggle through a few MMA fights first.
by all4tookie on Apr 20, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
rec for you
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
sad part is
i used to be like that. i would go to the game with my parents as an 10, 11, 12 year old like once a year, and was always mystified by the ballots they handed out. once i was explained what they were, i just voted for all the cardinals.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 20, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I see no problem with this.
I get that you want to vote for good players especially since it counts but being angry that most people are going to vote without looking at stats isn’t fair since that is what will make most people who watch the game happy.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
You know, I'm cool with that.
As a 10, 11, or 12 year old, to me, that’s totally what it’s all about. Let ‘em wait for a few years to figure out about advanced metrics…when you’re that age, I think there’s probably something wrong with you if you’re NOT a total homer.
"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols
yeah
the more i look back on it, the more i think it’s okay. i mean, those guys were my heros, yo.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 20, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I mean, heck, just look at my avatar.
I freaking LOVED Rex Hudler when he was with the Cards. I’m sure I probably voted for him to get into the All-Star Game.
"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols
we should pick an unlikely player to ballot-stuff for.
just one player, not a whole team like cubs fans.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Molina would be my pick
He’s been there a couple of times, but I still don’t think he gets his due.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Floppy?
Can’t get much more unlikely than a super-sub.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Apr 20, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
also -- to keep in mind... Cholly will be picking the NL bench again.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I think you let the fans pick who they want to see...
And hopefully the coaches reward the deserving guys who got overlooked. Doesn’t always work out that way, but in the end its a combination fanfest/popularity contest/MLB promotion.
Yes.
I know I don’t always vote for the best players. I vote for who I want to see.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
....that also determines home field in the World Series
Which makes me hope the Red Sox fans vote Big Papi into the game, and Royals fans vote Rick Ankiel into the game, and A’s fans vote Ryan Sweeney into the game. Just stock that AL team with a bunch of popular guys that suck please!
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
i thought we figured this out last time
the starters are all the popular guys… who get pulled after two innings. then the manager-picked players on the bench win the game.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
The pitching staffs win and lose the games the last few years
The NL manager needs to stock his staff with the best 4 closers and best 5 starters in the NL this season. FWIW, I’d like to see Tim Lincecum closing the game if possible, even if he has to go two innings.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
You don't think that Lincecum will be the starter?
I guess Doc Halliday is certianly making a case.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
I think Halladay starts and goes the first two innings
Wainwright throws the next two.
Then it’s up to the manager as to what he wants to do. You could throw Lincecum and Haren for two innings apiece and then hand it off to Jon Broxton or Ubaldo Jimenez to close it out.
You could throw Lincecum/Haren/Jimenez for three innings, and play matchups for the rest of the time. Maybe put Trever Miller and Wagner on the team just to pitch to lefties, while leaving Broxton, Cordero, and K-Rod to pitch to righties.
Either way, the game needs to be managed to win rather than to have everyone play. It’s an honor to be named, but that doesn’t mean you should absolutely get on the field. If they want that, then open substitution should be allowed for the All-Star game.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
since charlie manuel gets to pick
it will probably be halladay.
/sigh
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
we have to see
how it shakes out with the respective teams’ rotations – if doc goes 10 innings in the last game before the break, manuel probably doesn’t pitch him at all.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
And this is where making the thing "count" really fucks things up.
If you’re the Yankees and Phillies, and you’re 5-6 games up in your division around the All-Star break, aren’t you resting CC and Roy just to make sure they get to pitch in the All-Star game? Isn’t having home field for the World Series, which you’re probably the odds on favorite to play in, more important that one start in the middle of the season when you have a 6 game lead already?
It’s a fucking ridiculous argument to have about an exhibition game, but I think the argument must be made.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
I think I'm yet to speak to anyone who thinks that making the ASG the decider for home-field in the WS is sensible
It’s just an appalling idea in every way. Bleugh.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Apr 22, 2010 5:32 AM EDT up reply actions
That is actually what I was thinking
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
I thought the plural of staff
was staves?
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Apr 20, 2010 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions
actually, why don't we all stuff for those guys?
You have to vote an AL ballot anyway
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
I used to always vote for bad people in the AL when I was little.
Or people with funny names. Now I vote for good people in both leagues because I like both leagues equally. Although the DH is still stupid.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
But I agree that if the All-Star game is going to matter, then it's too early to vote.
You can read it in any tone you like.
it's never too early to vote for albert.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
If the ASG matters, Bud should make the managers manage like it matters
The ASG determining home field advantage in the World Series is my least favorite idea in sports. Easily.
"There's a new sheriff in town." - Brendan Ryan
by jd is legend on Apr 20, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
alternatives?
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by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 20, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Go back to the way it was (alternating)
Let the league that wins interleague play get home field advantage
"There's a new sheriff in town." - Brendan Ryan
by jd is legend on Apr 20, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
(Those are two separate alternatives, if you can't tell)
"There's a new sheriff in town." - Brendan Ryan
by jd is legend on Apr 20, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
your second alternative would net the al hfa every year
otherwise known as the way it is right now.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 20, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
That was rough.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
But at least those are meaningful games
"There's a new sheriff in town." - Brendan Ryan
by jd is legend on Apr 20, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Best record in the regular season gets home field.
"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols
by splhcb67 on Apr 20, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This one.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
That's a good idea.
But then the AL fans would be screaming if a NL team got it, since they believe that they have the superior league.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Apr 20, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
...which they do
"There's a new sheriff in town." - Brendan Ryan
by jd is legend on Apr 20, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
shhh. I'm not telling them that.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Apr 20, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Reasonable ones would realize it's fair.
And I don’t care if unreasonable are upset, they usually are.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
I have one word for the AL fans:
Wah.
"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols
Who the hell cares?
Maybe they should take back the Brewers and make the leagues balanced again! I get tired of this whining over who has the better league. The NFC was the best league in the NFL for two solid decades and nobody seemed to care that the Super Bowl always ended up being a rout.
For most of the last decade, the NBA’s Western Conference has always had a larger share of the good teams, so it’s harder to win the most games because you have to beat better opponents. David Stern’s take? Shut the fuck up and play basketball you crying ninnies!!!*
*This may or may not be paraphrased.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Last I checked,
In the last 15 years since interleague play started, an AL team has either won the most games or tied for the most wins 10 of those 15 seasons. What in the hell do they have to bitch about?
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
whomever has the shortest games in total.
we just spotted them a 20, though.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
regular season record determines Home field
if the teams are tied, the superior interleague record breaks the tie
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
they should wait til mid or late may to start the voting
he is a bit eccentric
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 20, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Guess it depends on why you think a guy should be an all-star
I’m fine with the voting now. I remember one interview Ozzie gave where he talked about how he thought an “all-star” was a guy whom you want to see play. It’s not necessarily a guy who’s had an amazing 3 months. That’s sort of how I see it now, and I guess we have to rely on the managers to pick the rest of the roster to reward those guys who’ve had amazing seasons through June .
"But as the leadoff guy that inning, my job is to get on base and let guys drive me in." - Albert Pujols 8/20/09, base-clogger.
I guess that's the cool part
everyone has their own definition. I would do something like this in my voting: 2/3 current stats, 1/3 experience. others may be more 50/50
he is a bit eccentric
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 20, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
who cares
It’s just an expedition game. People vote in the players they want to see. It’s not like it counts or anything.
I love me some
expedition games.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
Oregon trail?
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
until the cholera
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
It's the dysentery
that you have to watch out for.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Does anyone else
like to name their characters after the diseases that you think they will die from?
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
Gary Cooties.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Apr 21, 2010 6:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Love that game!
I want the new one so bad.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
Because the all-star game isn't about picking the best players based on this year's stats?
Good day, sir.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Apr 20, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
there should always be a place for a cal ripken farewell
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
actually one big problem with this is that sometimes the wrong person ends up on the ballot.
iirc, david freese was the cards nominee at 3b last year, and duncan in LF the year before. certainly freese did not put in any meaningful time at 3B (not that barden or thurston was going to get a lot of votes) and duncan was basically out of a job in 2008 by the time the ASB rolled around. maybe my memory is hazy, but didn’t the same thing happen with manny – he’d been out last year for a month or more and was still getting a bunch of votes?
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
do you know of any source for past ballots?
/not to collect (really), but to look at online
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
yeah
it doesn’t make much sense how it’s set up
he is a bit eccentric
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 20, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
edinson volquez has been suspended for PED use
per a joy heyman tweet.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 20, 2010 2:59 PM EDT reply actions
ooh.
sucks for the reds, though they have a pretty deep rotation.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
oy.
jon*
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by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 20, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
ah
knew it was him
j/k
he is a bit eccentric
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 20, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
there goes the reds chances
heh
he is a bit eccentric
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 20, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
He's DL until June-ish right?
So the 50 games start as soon as he’s off?
"But as the leadoff guy that inning, my job is to get on base and let guys drive me in." - Albert Pujols 8/20/09, base-clogger.
that'd be nice
unless he sucks now
he is a bit eccentric
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 20, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
would they call up chappy?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
ooooo
I hope so, he’s on one of my fantasy teams
NOCAMFT
he is a bit eccentric
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 20, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
that makes no sense
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Volquez is semi-big
true/false
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Well, to me, he'd be more on the "rather big" side of things,
but I suppose not so much to the average fan.
"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols
in the nl central: true
in the rest of baseball: false
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by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 20, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
i'd say true
Chuck Norris doesn't need a bat.
he just roundhouse kicks the ball out of the park.
by bearcatcardfan on Apr 20, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I would think true.
I’ve heard of him but I don’t know a whole, whole lot about him. Pretty much my definition of semi-big.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
2008 Big, 2009-2010 Semi-Big
"But as the leadoff guy that inning, my job is to get on base and let guys drive me in." - Albert Pujols 8/20/09, base-clogger.
true
due to hamilton trade
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
supposedly out until fall
“Sports Illustrated’s Jon Heyman reports the identity of the PED positive: It’s Edinson Volquez of the Cincinnati Reds. Volquez will be suspended for 50 games. Of course, he’s already out at least until the fall recovering from Tommy John surgery.”
Good
I like it when bad things happen to teams in our division.
Think; It's not illegal yet.
by azruavatar on Apr 20, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
haha
by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 20, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
apparently...
he can serve his 50 games while on the DL. he just won’t get paid.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 20, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
this tidbit
courtesy a jerry crasnick tweet.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 20, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
That is messed up.
Until they change that loophole, it’s still in a player’s interests use PEDs while battling a long recovery. That is, if we believe that PEDs help you heal faster.
You can read it in any tone you like.
PEDs do help you heal faster
They also help you hit more home runs, run faster, and throw a ball faster. If you sue them correctly.
ha!
your typo is ironic.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 20, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
that freud was a smart guy
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
Yeah
he was a fart smeller.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Apr 20, 2010 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions
It would be to a player's advantage
The key is to make sure you get caught at the right time so your suspension doesn’t overlap with your return date.
by olddomination on Apr 20, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
awww.
"Absolutely," Molina said, as Wainwright recalled later the next day. "I’ll be there for you. I wouldn’t even think twice about it."
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
ummm..context? sounds like a precursor to a trip to planned parenthood the way it's written.
by all4tookie on Apr 20, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Either that
or someone needs to photoshop Yadi and Waino’s heads into the title screen of Friends.
"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols
Preferably on the bodies of Aniston and Cox
for maximum comedic effect.
"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols
that's the one.
and, haha, I thought I had a link in there, but I didn’t. that’s 10@10, re: Molina catching Waino’s game.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
that's awesome
they could live across the hall from Boog and Bombs
"There's a lot of things we say that don't make sense to our viewers. Okay, primarily me." ~Al Hrabosky~
by YesWeOquendo on Apr 20, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
we are not going to discuss U.N.G.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
oh please
i’m sure they practice safe man stewing
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Apr 20, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Rec
"There's a new sheriff in town." - Brendan Ryan
by jd is legend on Apr 20, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
more 10@10 stuff
because they’re all different topics.
Said Matheny: "Some pretty critical people [in the pitching staff] noticed [Anderson’s] improvements."
…does that mean he passes the Carp test? oooh.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
calling the game
Asked Sunday night how many of the 418 pitches made on Saturday and Sunday that Molina called, Wainwright said: "High 300s. We trust him a lot. He’s good at that. That’s one of his strong points is calling a great game."
this is why I mistrust the averaged-out discussions on how much catchers impact the game. Yadi simply has more responsibilities than other catchers. that’s not the first quote out there saying the same thing.
that’s all from 10@10, which will now cause a recursive time-space anomaly, because Goold linked to this entry.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
if this were "chasing and hacking"
it would be a proper horror film.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Chasing and Hacking LOBsters from Space
isn’t that an old B movie?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
by RiverRat on Apr 20, 2010 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
only if the LOBsters are chasing and hacking
and even then…
they’d be more snapping and pinching, wouldn’t they?
then our Earth shellfish destroy their immune systems.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
so why can't he just call the game from the bench
tonight when anderson is starting?
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
anderson shakes off yadi
hilarity ensues. now all we need is the ump who hates slow games.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
write that down for the sitcom
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
How does this lboros post
have only 2 recs? Get with it VEB.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
by RiverRat on Apr 20, 2010 3:40 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I gave it rec before I even read it
he is a bit eccentric
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 20, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
we were busy with the schadenfreude
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I read it on my phone first.
Forgot to rec when I got to my computer.
P.S. Why no recs for mobile site?
You can read it in any tone you like.
the button would be super tiny?
he is a bit eccentric
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 20, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Roku owners - mlb.tv channel beta testing available
For those VEB’ers who own a Roku and have an mlb.tv subscription, I received an email that beta testing of this season’s mlb.tv channel is available. I watched last night’s finish this morning and, after the usual setup hiccups, it worked fairly well. Probably going to see some buffering issues during the live game though.
Here is a link to instructions on how to obtain the beta testing channel on the Roku
http://forums.roku.com/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=27361&start=30#p170028
interesting
he is a bit eccentric
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 20, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I've been using a hacked Apple TV with Boxee and it's been butter
Been watching Saturday games with the proxy and everything. The boxee interface is way nicer than the MLB.com experience and even remembers my password, which the .com experience strangely doesn’t do. 720p baseball for 90 bucks a year. Not bad at all.
by cloistermaximus on Apr 20, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
you like Apple TV?
I was looking for a simple system for someone else
by FlimtotheFlam on Apr 20, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Meh
I liked it a lot when I first got it a year or two ago, but I think there a better/cheaper options out there now. My biggest gripe is that it can’t handle MKV files, which means all my 720p-1080p downloaded content has to be transcoded, which sucks. Other than that it’s nice. I wouldn’t recommend it though.
by cloistermaximus on Apr 20, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
There's less issues with live games
than there are with archived games, actually, because the live game feeds go straight out rather than having to search through a database for the archives.
Overall, this is an awesome setup.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
RR
i think we were talking about this yesterday, but mlb has rescinded the cliff lee suspension.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I heard that on my way back from lunch....
any explanation behind it?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
believe i read it at d'backs site
think they went through video of the game and determined he was that wild throughout, and the trainer testified about the injuries that caused the poor mechanics leading to the wildness.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
There was just a blurb on XM
MLB dropped the suspension, but no explanation.
Thanks
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
They realized who they were messing with.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
A bit off topic:
did anyone ever find out what was with the Cubs and Mets wearing 42 after Jackie Robinson day?
"There's a lot of things we say that don't make sense to our viewers. Okay, primarily me." ~Al Hrabosky~
maybe they didn't play on that day?
did they have an off day?
he is a bit eccentric
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 20, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
no both teams played on april 15
i’ve been wondering this myself. maybe we should tweet leach?
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
The Mets still coopting Brooklyn Dodgers history?
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
that was my guess
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
MLB turning into no-fun league too?
[fake blockquote]
A league-wide ban reissued in a memo Friday reminded managers and coaches that they are only allowed to wear jerseys and outerwear that are approved by the league.
That means no Rays fleece hoodie as a trademark top layer for Maddon — the coolest manager in the majors who just doesn’t want to be the coldest.
Say, when did the fashion police who extract the fun from the NFL also start regulating our national past time? What’s next? No more big socks for Barry Zito, Juan Pierre and Brendan Ryan because all players must show the same amount of calf?
an exaggeration as usual for that last paragraph, but it’s something to think about…. will the socks be next?!
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
The socks are safe.
There’s a history there. In fact, the socks have MOST of baseball history behind them.
You can read it in any tone you like.
Saw this too
Think it’s silly. I wish managers still could wear full suits and dress hats. that’d be great.
by LandSickness on Apr 20, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought I told him to shave those sideburns.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Except they never really did wear suits.
Managers have always dressed in uniform.
You can read it in any tone you like.
Yeah
I was just looking at photos of him. Cool.
by LandSickness on Apr 20, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
(wo)man I was just about
to post a sweet connie mack pic and you ruined it for me!
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
I'm pretty sure he never wore anything but a suit.
I’d have to check this, but I don’t think he ever wore a uniform, and he was the only one.
"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols
He wore a uni when he was a player-manager with the Pirates.
And I think he only wore the suit when he managed his third team, the Athletics. Of course, he managed them FOREVER, so he wore a suit nearly all the damn time.
You can read it in any tone you like.
right
historically, we started with player-managers and evolved toward specialized managers, right?
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
That is what I found out when I was looking it up
That’s why there aren’t many suit-wearing managers
by LandSickness on Apr 20, 2010 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions
One More
that comes to mind – Burt Shotton of the Dodgers. Source: “Bums”, by Peter Golenbock, which also has a pic of Shotton in shirt sleeves and a Brooklyn cap.
George Carlin, of course, noted in his famous baseball vs. football routine that baseball is the only sport where the coaches and managers wear the same uniform as the players. “Can you imagine Bill Parcells wearing that Giants uniform?” he asked.
My $0.02
Managers having to wear the full team uniform is incredibly stupid. TLR looks ridiculous with his beer-gut and mullet, wearing a baseball uni, running out to the mound. Older guys like Cox and Piniella just look like somebody’s made their barmy old grandfather dress up for hallowe’en. It’s downright creepy.
Football (soccer) managers generally wear suits (often with a team-branded lapel or pocket insignia, or a tie) and coats, and quite often look pretty sharp (even the older guys). Some of the younger guys wear a tracksuit, but these are usually guys in their early 40s etc. Given that most mlb managers and coaches are in their 50s or 60s, and most are badly out of shape, letting them wear more sophisticated clothing would be much more sensible, and (at least IMO) make baseball look less stupid. It’s bad enough that most teams have a 1B or DH who’s grossly overweight without having a bunch of pudgy old men in the dugout dressed like children at a little league game.
Compare and contrast:
Jose Mourinho

Alex Ferguson

Giovanni Trapattoni

Tony La Russa
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Bobby Cox
Sweet Lou

If I was an umpire and a red-faced grandpa with skinny uniform trousers and his gut hanging over his belt was balling me out, I’d struggle not to burst out laughing, tbh.
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by Felonius_Monk on Apr 21, 2010 7:05 AM EDT up reply actions
so you're saying if they were hotmakers, it would be okay
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
It's part of the rules.
I don’t think it will ever change. Still, LaRussa has a beer gut? I’d say he’s pretty fit for an old dude. And Joe Girardi looks like he could still play.
You can read it in any tone you like.
Girardi only retired about 6 years ago, though, didn't he?
I can’t find any pictures, but for a 50-some year old guy, I’d say TLR looks overweight. I realise that middle-aged guys tend to come somewhat more rotund in the US than they do here and the mlb uniforms are not flattering on slightly pudgy middle-aged guys, so, you know, he doesn’t look too bad, but he’s hardly got the build of an athlete.
I guess he doesn’t look too bad

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by Felonius_Monk on Apr 21, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm pretty sure he still lifts weights, too.
Now, one dude on the staff that DOES NOT belong in a uniform is Jose Oquendo. Yeesh.
Also, Dennys Reyes.
You can read it in any tone you like.
I don't think any of those soccer coaches would look bad in a baseball uniform though.
Maybe Ferguson.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
by ClemsonGirl on Apr 21, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
is there a sticky anywhere ...
that talks about getting around blackouts on MLB.TV? i will soon be unable to get a dish and i’m going to be screwed. none of the iowa cable companies carry FSMW and at&t u-verse is not it iowa either. to make things worse, i’m pretty sure that cards games will be blacked out for me on MLB.TV. i have heard stuff about proxies but never used them for MLB.TV.
by QuadCitiesCardsFan on Apr 20, 2010 5:13 PM EDT reply actions
its true ... i live in davenport, ia and this is the mlb.tv blackout list!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Chicago White Sox
Milwaukee Brewers
Chicago Cubs
St. Louis Cardinals
Kansas City Royals
Minnesota Twins
Holy SHIT!!
This is the list from my work pc, 30miles north of where i live …
Chicago White Sox
Chicago Cubs
Cincinnati Reds
So ridiculous …. I live like 5 hours away.
by QuadCitiesCardsFan on Apr 20, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
wait wait wait
so 30 miles north of where you live is closer to milwaukee and minnesota but they both lose the blackouts. i don’t really know what’s up with the royals being randomly thrown in there though. or the reds being randomly thrown in there from your work.
follow me on twitter @nickg105
by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 20, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Why are the reds blacked out
in NE Iowa????
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
Ties to Cedar Rapids?
Used to be (might still be) a Reds affiliate there in the Midwest League.
Just guessing.
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
weak
Unless there is Reds baseball on television there, I would think that it wouldn’t be blacked out though
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
Yes
that is the only justification for blacking out games that makes any damn sense—that there is competition with TV affiliates that can broadcast those games. Even then, it’s iffy when I’m paying for MLB tv, and I can’t watch a cardinals astros game because a cable channel is carrying THAT game. I’m not going to buy cable to watch 12 games a year.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
if you buy mlb.tv, you get access to GD audio right?
I listen to Shannon every stinking game. If I can do it for 162, surely you can do it for 12 or so.
Granted, I would still be pissed if I were you, getting blacked out half the time
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
yeah, or you can go to a sports bar or whatever. I also have xm in my car
it’s more the principle of the thing than anything else.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
why is asia blacked out?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
that one took me awhile
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
The first list is from area code 52807 ...
and the second is from 52730. Assholes.
by QuadCitiesCardsFan on Apr 20, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions
flim has a fanpost
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Thanks ...
Has anyone tried the MLB.TV HD on a widescreen TV? How’s it look?
by QuadCitiesCardsFan on Apr 20, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I like the mottevatar
he is a bit eccentric
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 20, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Depends on the device you play it though
But it’s in-between a standard broadcast and high-def broadcast generally. Not quite 720p, but pretty close. It can get a little chunky at times, but it’s worth the cost in my opinion.
by cloistermaximus on Apr 20, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions
PEDS...im not one to speculate
but i was thinking today why hasn’t more people assumed Papi did them? Compare his MIn #s to the middle of Boston, to now….clear spike, slear regression. When can you say though well mayeb someone just figured it out like and then got old? Just curious..
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/5909/career;ylt=AmHiRdKpxQnNawW5cjYTdCFCLcF
This guys so good(Pujols) He should be illegal-Pirates announcers
last year he was named in a leak
as one of the players that tested positive
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
Yep
Manny and Papi were announced at the same time
by LandSickness on Apr 20, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
That was the
100 player list that was never confirmed. It just went away.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I haven't
I bring it up regularly to my good friend who happens to be a diehard Sawx fan. I keep asking for my 2004 World Series back.
Don't ping my cheese with your bandwidth.
by RosevilleRedbird on Apr 20, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions
But Ryan Franklin is on the roster.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
If we win this year... (note the strong counterfactual there)
you’re opening yourself up to the same criticism.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
Past user,
the allegations were that they were using during that series. arod last year is more of taint. No suspension after he was outted, and admitted as much, but the Yanks get to carry on like nothing happened.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I have an in-law who's a diehard
Yankee fan, and the day Papi and Manny’s names showed up on that list was maybe the happiest day of his life. I kinda know how I feel since I’ve developed such a strong dislike for the Red Sox as well.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Apr 20, 2010 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I think there are people who make that assumption.
Whether he used PEDs or not, dude fell off a cliff.
You can read it in any tone you like.
yeah my issue wasnt about world series as above
just that it seems obvious by the numbers, but it’s quiet…
This guys so good(Pujols) He should be illegal-Pirates announcers
I feel vindicated, since
I’ve been saying for years that Papi’s career would go the way of Mo Vaughn’s.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Apr 20, 2010 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I always just assumed that he did do them
he is a bit eccentric
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 20, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I kinda assumed when
he was the one complaining about the league not providing Spanish speaking players with enough help to figure out the rules.
Of course, I also thought he should have been griping at the union for that help, not the league.
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
everyone assumes Ortiz did them because he tested positive for them in 2003.
Google “David Ortiz and steroids” and you’ll get a million hits. The Boston papers destroyed him. Shit, even Bill Simmons wrote an article about it.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Apr 20, 2010 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions
yes, but c'mon
story i heard was ortiz was a victim of tainted steam in the sauna at gold’s gym.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Ever been in a men's steam room, Papi?
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Yes, and I'm sure the PEDs didn't help him hit homeruns...
he just used them to recover from being injured.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Apr 20, 2010 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions
hey, he slipped in the sauna
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Glad to see our minor leaguers
are eating healthy.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
They had a whole thing
at the start of spring training about eating healthy. But you can’t force people to eat certain things. (unless they are in prison or boot camp.)
Maybe he's not feeling well because he ordered the entire dollar menu.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
bryan anderson night??
YES!
"The outfield is deep and playing him straight-away, and the infield is the same, except first, second, third, and short are playing him to pull."
-Mike Shannon
Without Having Read...
… the other 683 posts first, I’ll just say that it’s likely to be Craig that goes down if Jay is called up, not Stavi. Gordon at the P-D seemed to be setting the stage for such a move in his chat this week, when he said twice that “Craig looks lost and needs AB’s at Memphis”, or words to that effect. Pretty obvious what the Cards will do, at least from that point of view.
And they may not be wrong in doing so – Craig still has potential as a fulltime player, possibly as soon as next season if we decide we can’t afford to bring Ryan Ludwick back; Stavinoha will probably never be more than what he is right now – a bench player of some usefulness.
This brings up the age-old debate, of course, of which is better for a young player’s development – regular play in the minors, or exposure to the big leagues even if he’s only getting a handful of AB’s a week.
No offense
but please never use Jeff Gordon to help prove a point.
by Mister Eff on Apr 20, 2010 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed.
I’m a sucker for articles about the Cardinals. I’ll read almost anything anyone writes, even if I suspect it’s similar to what I’ve already read. But I’ve successfully weaned myself off Jeff Gordon. Haven’t read a word he’s written for years.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Apr 20, 2010 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I think that's a bannable offense, no?
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
This is just not true.
Craig looks lost and needs AB’s at Memphis
by reading the other 683 posts, you would have seen that his LD rate is insane, as is his low BABIP. Craig is anything but “lost” as a hitter.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
by RiverRat on Apr 20, 2010 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
they are not going to demote their minor league player of the year
for performing well.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Apr 20, 2010 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
No offense taken
But I wasn’t using him to prove a point; I was using his quote to remind us that the Cards aren’t above using the media to “prepare” the fans for certain moves, and I suspect the sending down of Craig – to be replaced by the red-hot/lefty hitting Jay – is imminent.
It just occurred to me that the move could happen when we return from the home stand; supposedly, LaRue is due to come off the DL when we come home, which means Anderson goes back down and we’re short that lefty bat on the bench – so it could be that when LaRue is activated and Anderson goes down, Craig goes with him and Jay comes up to be the lefty bat on the bench.
If they were using the media to set up the public,
it wouldn’t be Jeff Gordon.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
didn't they use the media
to set up bringing anderson up and sending pags down? Do you really think they would need to use the media to prep sending a no name bench player who hasn’t done anything in the majors down and bringing a no name bench player who hasn’t done anything in the majors up? They don’t need to do that. No one in st. louis besides VEB cares. And even a lot of us would be ok with sending Craig down to get more ABs and bring Jay up who is a lefty off the bench.
I'd be fine with sending Craig down for Jay
Craig’s more tradeable (and more valuable to us, long term) if he has less service time. He’s not playing right now, and Jay is a much better defender (and left-handed, which is useful on a virtually all-righty bench). That makes Stav the primary right-handed OF pinch hitter (behind Mather, I suppose, who can actually field a position). If Jay/Mather are taking Craig’s starts (once every ten days) I don’t see a huge drop-off, as both as better defenders and Jay may hit equally well against RHP.
If Stavinoha is taking the majority of the RH pinch-hits in late innings that might’ve gone to Craig, that’s not really a big issue either. Craig’s started two games and had 4 or 5 ABs in that 20-inning affair, if you give those to Mather/Jay that means you’re only giving 2 or 3 PH PAs in a fortnight or so extra to Stavinoha. Stav’s projected to be a worse hitter than Craig, but over a few occasional PH opportunities, the difference is likely to be (at worst) a couple of runs over the course of a season.
I’d rather keep Craig on the roster, personally, but as long as Stav is the outfielder-of-last-resort, and Craig’s appearances go primarily to Jay and Mather, I don’t think we lose a great deal by sending him down. Apathy is probably a reasonable response unless and until guys like Stavinoha or Robinson are getting significant playing time ahead of better players.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Apr 21, 2010 7:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd venture to say that him hitting .400 in may at the MLB level while spot starting
while accruing an extra month of service time would be far more important to a team looking to deal for him than hitting .400 in Memphis in that same time period.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Yes
but also somewhat less likely. If he gets another 16 PAs (or whatever) in May and is still sub-Mendoza (which is likely, unless he gets really lucky), if anything I’d think that’d hurt his trade value. It’s also moving him (potentially, depending on how other things shake down) a year closer to free agency, which would really depress his value.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Apr 22, 2010 5:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Why not?
I understand some of us have doubts about Gordon’s bona fides, but the fact is he’s still a regular writer in the town’s only print newspaper and as such has a certain influence on the general public. Remember, we’re not the general public; not exactly.
the reply button is your friend.
The guy is a hockey writer, with Cards tidbits. Strauss is more credible, fwiw.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Whoops -
Just saw Bernie’s “extra points”, and he also speculates about a Craig-down/Jay-up scenario.
I’m convinced, now – the Cards are indeed leaking the possibility to the P-D. I wonder if the Globe-Democrat is also joining in the speculation.
Bernie saying
“we wonder” is a far cry from sources say it is being considered.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
We do wonder
if the front office would be dumb enough to demote a guy who is stinging the shit out of the ball and hitting into crappy luck.
Why assume it's because of that?
seems more likely to assume that they’re worried about getting him enough at bats. And they don’t care whether Stav gets at-bats because, unlike Craig, he has no real future with the club.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Apr 20, 2010 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions
so Craig has a future with us, therefore he won't get to play....?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I'm sure you're not unfamiliar with....
the common occurrence that young players who have futures in an organization, but are currently blocked from getting a lot of playing time, are kept in the minors to get at-bats, even if they don’t “need” them, while comparatively worse players fill the end of the major league bench. Indeed, this happens all the fricking time.
Craig’s playing time problem isn’t the presence of Stav, it’s the presence of Holliday and Ludwick.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Apr 20, 2010 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions
he wasn't kept in the minors, though
i know what you are saying, but i think there’s a difference between that and a “demotion”
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
they could have brought him up originally because...
they wanted to reward him for his performance in spring training and for him to get a taste of the big leagues, even he wasn’t going to stay up all year.
Or they could have thought there’d be the opportunity for more at-bats, but that opportunity just hasn’t materialized.
Or they could have prepared all these guys and told them there’d be a shuttle between Memphis and St. Louis and that hot players would get shuffled. Who knows?
by Willie McGee's Twin on Apr 20, 2010 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions
yes
i guess the main point is, if the club really wanted to bring jay up (as opposed to thinking they really want to send someone down), then why on earth is craig being mentioned rather than stav? i just disagree with this talk about craig looking lost at the plate and needing to go down to memphis to get it together.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Because if the last OF on the bench (Craig if Stav is sent down, Stav if Craig is sent down) is getting about 5 plate appearances a week
it almost might as well be the guy who has little future as a major leaguer. The difference between Craig and Stav over a couple of isolated plate appearances is pretty small, and might to some extent be mitigated by the fact that we now have an awesome fielder (Jay) on the bench to bring in late in close games.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Apr 21, 2010 7:28 AM EDT up reply actions
i just don't see who jay would be a defensive replacement for
yes, it should be holliday, but that’s not going to start happening.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I suppose that's a fair comment
he’s a better glove than Ludwick, I’d have thought.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Apr 22, 2010 5:34 AM EDT up reply actions
FWIW
I agree with Willie McGee! (oh, that scanned!)
If Craig’s playing barely once a week, and we have Mather (decent RH bat), Floppy (decent switcheroo) and Jay (possibly competent LH bat) on the bench, with Stav as the OF/PH-of-last-resort, I see no harm in getting Craig some extra playing time in Memphis.
Also, there may be a concerted effort (esp. now Ludwick is stinging the shit out of the ball) to get Craig some chances in RF. If Luddy’s to be traded in the off-season (hopefully after a .800+ OPS year) it’d be nice to know we have a guy who can at least make some sort of fist of playing RF. Craig only moved to the OF in the middle of last year and AFAIK didn’t really play RF at all for the Redbirds (I think Shorey and a couple of other guys were making most of the starts there), so the questions over his arm and reactions/instincts in right remain somewhat unanswered.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Apr 21, 2010 7:26 AM EDT up reply actions
just remarking on the catch-22ness of it.
ah, the old days, when you’d just wait for major leaguers to break their legs
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Put it this way...
If Holliday/Ludwick were to go on the DL tomorrow (GOB forbid), I’d bet Craig would start, not Stav.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Apr 20, 2010 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions
wouldn't jay fall into the same trap?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
it's a trap!!!
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
can a player refuse to be called up?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
run, vince, run
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
This amuses me
and yet, makes me sad.
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
not necessarily...
Craig may be seen as a future starter (e.g, as a replacement for Ludwick), while Jay is not. If Jay’s ceiling is “4th outfielder,” at least in the Org.‘s opinion, then why care if he’s not getting regular PT.
Also, there may be more PT available for Jay since he’s LH (Craig is not), is an able defensive replacement (Craig is not), and is a PR option (again, Craig is not).
by Willie McGee's Twin on Apr 20, 2010 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions
At what point does getting experience
with the big club outweigh getting at bats in Memphis?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
That's a good question...
But in Craig’s, it’s not obvious either way. The Org. clearly values him as a player (again, they named him POY last year) and they want the best Cards team now and in the future. I’m prepared to defer to them on this as they know the individuals involved better.
But I’m certainly not looking forward to all the forthcoming mindless drivel about how LaDunc and/or Mo think Stav is “better” than Craig, merely because Stav stays on the roster and Craig gets sent down.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Apr 20, 2010 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions
but it feels good
to think, “i know craig is better than stav, and tony and mo don’t, so therefore i know more than tony and mo” – i tell myself that every day, and find that my self-esteem has soared to new heights since i began.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
The budget outlook for the
near future tells me this is Luddy’s last year as a Cardinal. They might be auditioning Craig and Jay for the RF job in 2011. The 2 of them could bounce back and forth several times this year.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Apr 20, 2010 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe robot fighting league should take a hometown discount, then
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
how much?
I mean, if he did, what would be a reasonable price?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
only league minimum would save him at this point
unless lance lynn or otto does by replacing penny
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
bite your tongue
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
however, i believe in otto
does that help?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
i feel weird giving a german nickname to an italian guy
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
it's hitler's birthday
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
this is probably true
with raises to waino and yadi
waino days of on the cheap are quickly winding down
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
hmmm.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Apr 20, 2010 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Mark my words...!
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Craig/Jay could be a pretty competent platoon, I think
with Mather as backup and occasional spot starter. Henley might also be ready for some action next year (although I think one of Henley and Jay will be fairly redundant). It’s quite possible the dropoff from Ludwick would be less than a win, and, given that it’ll cost us a pretty penny ($7m+?) to keep him next year, dealing him for a B or B+ prospect arm might be a pretty smart move.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Apr 21, 2010 7:31 AM EDT up reply actions
not sure who jay would be a late-inning defensive replacement for
but if the cards want to get something for him, seems best to just let him keep raking in AAA.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
well, he'd be a better pinch-runner than craig i guess
but mather would still be option 1
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
ah
“pinch runner”
i read that as “sending down craig for jay would be a good public relations move”
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
Jay stole 20 bags last year in AAA
I think it’s probable he’s a better runner than Bombs, although the Bomby one’s success rate in the minors is pretty nice.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Apr 21, 2010 7:35 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah, i have no idea how good a baserunner jay is, stolen bases aside
and we haven’t really seen enough of bombs, but brock said bombs was a terrific baserunner
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
His minor league SB/CS ratio at least would bear that out
he doesn’t steal much but he basically gets caught out on the bases NEVER. Those sort of guys (IMO) are more valuable than the guys who swipe 20 bags a year but get thrown out 10 times.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Apr 22, 2010 5:35 AM EDT up reply actions
You could also apply all the criteria you just mentioned
to Nick Stavinoha. And Craig is the better player overall. So why would we send Craig down instead of Stav again?
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
A sign that the cubs season is careening out of control already?
http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2010/4/20/1433238/toyota-sign-mockups-at-wrigley#storyjump
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
didn't they run that last month?
including all our lame jokes… hahahha
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
FSM lineup
or: the anti-CJ BEATTY twitter
skip ludwick pujols holliday rasmus freese anderson-c ryan lohse
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That lineup has the potential
to leave 15 on base.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
by RiverRat on Apr 20, 2010 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i can't wait!
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the obvious solution
to having fewer left on is to make outs on the basepaths.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
i read that as "make out"
I was like, whoa, we don’t bring the man stew on the field like that
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that's another discussion
about how ortiz was tainted…or was that a french tennis player?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
oh yeah, it was that tennis guy.
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Dude
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
I didn't partake in the holiday
75 minute wait time!
"There's a new sheriff in town." - Brendan Ryan
by jd is legend on Apr 20, 2010 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions
That's probably what it's going to be for the next two weeks straight here.
Finals week.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
This is why I am eating a Lean Cuisine.
Also because I have no money for food left after I bought my Mather jersey.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
never order pizza on hitler's birthday, jd
now you know.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
why aren't the mets and cubs wearing 42 today?
anybody know?
big z down 2-0 in third.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
so that's how Big Z is doing... huh.
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They should move him to closer.
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
he walked the pitcher and then gave up a triple to reyes...
he’s in mid-season form
"I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out." Bill Hicks
hide, little gatorade machines
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by Yadi2Second on Apr 20, 2010 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
that trade i made to get rasmus for big z is looking better
/ncamft
"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."
yeah
people who are still living in 2006 and think that guys like Zambrano and Oswalt are still elite fantasy pitchers are nice to have in your league.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Apr 21, 2010 7:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Live look in at Houston
Late arriving crowd tonight.
Florida already up 2-0. 1st 4 batters have reached.
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
Strikethrough fail
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
They showed plenty of "crowd" shots
Wow. Whole field level sections empty.
I’m going to have no problem getting tickets this year.
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
somebody had the percentage drop for Houston
lots of other stadiums.
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Rockies lose their president
and to honor him, they pour it on v. the Natinals – 10-0 in the third
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Apr 20, 2010 8:24 PM EDT reply actions
Well, Cubs announcers were trying their damnedest to jinx Pelfrey by saying 'no hitter' repeatedly in the 5th.
And it worked. Fontenot w/ a hit. F’ing Cubs announcers. The Mets saves leader deserves better.
And anyone know if Stoner is still up? It is his day after all.
I once shot a man just to see him die...then I got distracted and missed it.
by TheDuke32 on Apr 20, 2010 8:24 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
i noticed that...
they must have said “no hitter” a dozen times in 5 minute span
"I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out." Bill Hicks
Hello, Michael Cuddyer
Still odd to see the Twins playing outdoors.
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
that old thread
with someone expiring of exposure in the outfield…. that was a good one.
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lou piniella demands hustle from soriano
On Monday, Soriano hit a ball to deep left-center with one out in the second inning against the New York Mets and did not run quickly out of the batter’s box. He ended up with a double, but it seemed that he could’ve had a triple.
“I talked to Alfonso and told him, ‘When you hit the ball, even though you might think it’s a home run, leave the box,’” Piniella said, “‘and when you recognize it is a home run for sure, then you can go into your trot.’”
piniella later demanded that a turnip produce blood when squeezed, and that the Thickburger™ place itself into his mouth so he would not have to work so hard in lifting the sandwich.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
by tom s. on Apr 20, 2010 8:30 PM EDT reply actions 8 recs
he could just place the thickburger on that natural shelf a few inches under his chin...
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I'm thinking this might be the year Pinella pulls an Elia.
>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez
i was watching that game
and he still would not have gotten a triple. the mets did not even hold him on first after he singled in his second at-bat, because soriano wasn’t going anywhere. he’s limping all over the field.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
awwww, wee Skip watching the #62 game
his parents taped it.
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this early....
its already time to fill out all star ballots.
"I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out." Bill Hicks
and yes i know it was already talked about...
"I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out." Bill Hicks
this is when it's most fun
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Apr 20, 2010 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
we have pre-game
gammmeee threaaad.
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Carp takes a shot at Cal
DELAYING HIS AIRTIME. he has places to be.
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Carp was smiling.
Be afraid, Cal.
I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.
by The Continental on Apr 20, 2010 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions
he says they "have fun"
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
he approves of the gigantor Penny
….brings a lot of comedy to the group??
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Carp and Tony going through lineup with Lohse.
sitting on the luggage….
it’s “Andy”, by the way. for Mr. Anderson.
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come to the ballpark early.... have fun with each other
now The Cat asks about his diet.
Carp says he’s not 100% on the diet. for the most part.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Gone like a jackrabbit
He came back. Cat must have some pull with Carp.
Are we on the air? Heh.
I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.
by The Continental on Apr 20, 2010 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions
The Cat risks life and limb to bring Carp back for Cal's shot back
I’m going to watch Carpenter smiling…….
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Lineup.
Skip Schumaker 2B
Ryan Ludwick RF
Albert Pujols 1B
Matt Holliday LF
Colby Rasmus CF
David Freese 3B
Bryan Anderson C
Brendan Ryan SS
Kyle Lohse P
Rangers vs Red Sox
9 steals for Texas through 5. Martinez nursing a hurt arm, and word get out? That’s absurd. Andrus has 3 steals with nary a hit.
9
really?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Yeah, and that was just through first 5 innings.
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/boxscore?gid=300420102
It’s kind of hilarious.
good thing bosox placed emphasis on D this year
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
brilliant!
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Says OldHoss.
Cody stop stealing from others.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
i feel betrayed.
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
one can steal from oneself?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Old Hoss is the Batman?!!!
i feel betrayed
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
No way.
Did we discover this earlier?
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
i feel... strangely disinterested.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I think V-Mart is a bit over-rated
his offense is good for a catcher, but it’s not really that valuable at 1B or DH. He’s getting to that stage in a catcher’s career where he misses games (or has to DH) due to being banged up, and he’s a pretty poor defensive catcher. He’s a guy I could really see falling off a cliff in the next year or two.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Apr 21, 2010 7:46 AM EDT up reply actions
And this is why the Indians traded him.
But I’m still sad.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
by ClemsonGirl on Apr 21, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
You got a reasonable return IMO
and I think didn’t you have Shoppach at the time, too, having a career year (with Santana leaping up the minor league ladder)? You could almost argue there wasn’t room for him.
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by Felonius_Monk on Apr 22, 2010 5:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Cal, you ignorant slut.
I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.
by The Continental on Apr 20, 2010 9:18 PM EDT reply actions
hahahahaha
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
these kids today.
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perhaps not just "right now"
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Boog and Bombs taking infield
Skip is there to chaperon.
hey, we could put that in the sitcom.
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
DO you think this will be posted anywhere online?
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
it's one of those lead-ins to commercials
i keep forgetting to watch those live shots.
or do you mean the sitcom? we’re considering claymation.
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
claymation for the sitcom
the movie, however, we shall cast
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
good call.
or we could get Macfarlane.
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--- ----- misses us.
the fans miss him too.
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
HE SOUNDS HOMESICK.
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
fire up the van!
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
The Diamondbacks had a catcher get hurt, right?
So Anderson jacks a dong against this….Dan fellow, tonight. And he’s subsequently traded for him. Sound good?
i was hoping to revive the old major league tradition
of pillaging and kidnap.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
i was thinking something more subtle. like leaving a body double in a haren uniform.
then having the cards sign an unknown independent leaguer named “han daren.”
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
little cosmetic surgery...
this dude we sign was bagging groceries, right?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
that carbonite thing is a george lucas™ device
it doesn’t really work
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where is the bloody game thread
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"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."





























