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hacking and chasing

sheesh mang, why'd i swing at that? (Photo by Christian Petersen/Getty Images)

danup’s on his way back to north america today, so i’m sitting in. man, but SB Nation has made some upgrades to the machinery around here. where’s the ignition on this thing? where’s the clutch?

ha ha ha, get it? see, because the cards haven’t been getting any clutch hits . . . .

so they’re now 5 for their last 40 with men in scoring position dating back to saturday night, and 11 for their last 69 dating back to the home opener. it’s surely just one of those things, a blip — they’ve had some bad luck the last few days, taking good RISP at-bats and hitting the ball hard but right at the defense. but that doesn’t mean it’s entirely random, or that an adjustment or two might not be in order. i have the vague sense that the hitters, in their eagerness to drive in runs, have been taking less patient at-bats with men in RISP. i can’t back that up with any data though, and i could well be wrong. so here’s a set of questions for anybody who has access to a pitch fx database:

 

  • during their RISP drought (ie, going back to the home opener), how often do the cards swing at the first pitch in RISP plate appearances? how often do they swing at the first strike?
  • how do these rates compare to their rates in non-RISP at-bats?
  • what’s their chase rate in RISP plate appearances, and how does that compare to their chase rate overall?
  • what’s their walk rate, excluding IBBs?
  • eliminate the walks to pujols and the #8 hitter — what’s their walk rate then?
  • back to the first pitch / first strike: how often do they swing at a first pitch / first strike that’s not a fastball?

it may be that there’s nothing of interest in those numbers, but maybe there is. if anyone’s got time to lodge some / all of those queries, you’ll be doing a public service.

i did spot some interesting data pertaining to the Hombre: his chase rate is sky high this year. according to fangraphs, he’s swinging 29.8 percent of the time the ball’s out of the zone in 2010, versus a career average of 19.3 percent and a career high of 22.9 percent. rick ankiel, that paragon of indiscipline at the plate, has a career chase rate of 31.7 percent; albert’s approaching that so far in 2010. he was at it again last night, swinging at ball four in at least two of his at-bats (he eventually did walk in one of them). he seems to be chasing pitches up in the zone (maybe that elbow feels a little too good, eh?), and this would explain his atypically high flyball rate of 53.5 percent (career average: 39.8 pct). in albert’s case, some batted balls that are classified as flyballs are what i would call very long line drives; they reach on outfielder’s glove and there’s a little bit of (though not much) arc on them, ergo somebody calls it a flyout. . . .

but i digress. the elevated chase rate is the extension of a trend: albert’s O-swing percentage has been climbing steadily since 2004, when it was 15.7 percent. the percentage of strikes he has seen has decreased commensurately; his swing percentage has mostly held steady, he just has fewer strikes to swing at now than he used to. but in swing percentage, too, the 2010 number is an outlier: albert is going after 49.6 percent of the pitches he sees this year, versus a career average of 42.2 percent and a career high (set in 2003) of 44.3 percent. despite the restoration of his long-absent "protection," he’s become more hacktastic this season, not less.

i reckon he’ll make an adjustment, as he always does.

Star-divide

down at memphis, tyler green hit his second homer but made his 7th error of the young season; if the cards need another middle infielder, i wonder if it’ll be donny solano’s turn. meanwhile, jon jay is making quite the statement at memphis; after a tepid spring training (.231 / .279 / .282) he is just pounding the crap out of triple A pitching, with a .360 / .418 / .580 line and 7 steals in as many attempts. in his last 293 triple A at-bats, going back to july 1 of last season, jay has hit .324 / .364 / .491; he can play all three outfield positions, run the bases a little, and bat left-handed --- all of which make him a better fit than nick stavinoha. thanks to his clutch dinger vs the brewers, stavi will be around for a while, but i don’t see what he adds to a bench already populated by al craig and joe mather.

here’s a little poll to round out the post today: which of the cardinals’ minor-league affiliates do you suppose has got the most future big-league regulars on it? let’s define a "regular" as a position player who makes at least 120 starts in a season; a starting pitcher who makes at least 22 starts; or a reliever who appears in at least 65 games. it doesn’t matter if the player becomes a regular for the cardinals, nor how long he maintains his regular-hood; if you think he’ll achieve the status for just one season anywhere in the big leagues, even as the worst regular on the worst team in baseball, he counts.

i’m gonna vote for memphis, altho quad cities makes an interesting case. the memphis roster doesn’t appear to have any future stars, but it has got a lot of players who can play in the big leagues. i figure john jay, tyler henley, daniel descalso, adam ottavino, lance lynn, and tyler norrick all have pretty good shots to meet my definition of "regular" at some point by 2015, and there are a lot of dark-horse candidates down there like fernando salas, pj walters, bryan anderson (whatever happened to him, anyway?), and oneli perez. (and i haven’t even mentioned cazana.) out of that group, it wouldn’t shock me at all if three or four guys eventually became big league regulars for at least one season. i guess i’d be more shocked if fewer than three / four guys attained that status.

the case for QC roster begins with the pitching staff — shelby miller, deryk hooker, and joe kelly are all there, and all have big-league arms, plus there’s some guy named scott schneider, a 20th-rounder from last year’s draft, who has a k-bb ratio of 91 to 13 and a 9.75 k/9 in his short minor-league career. he pitched at st mary’s college in northern california, over the hill from berkeley --- anybody know the story on him? does he have legit potential, or is he just one of those guys who can dominate in the low minors but will get killed once he reaches double A? anyway, QC’s team k-bb is about 3.5 to 1, and its team k/9 is 9.6; there’s clearly some talent there that bears watching.

in addition to the arms, the river bandits have robert stock behind the plate; an interesting set of middle-infield prospects in jason stidham, luis mateo, and ryan jackson; a superior athlete in d’marcus ingram, a young and projectable talent in freddie parejo, and a couple of pure bats in matt adams and devin shepherd. there’s also the oddball niko vasquez, who is still defining himself as a player and apt to do anything.

the arms alone make this an interesting roster, but i’d like to think some of those position players will develop as well. the only reason i’m not voting for QC in this poll is because the great distance between class A and MLB increases the risk that injury, inability, or some other dysfunction derails a career. i’m almost certain that the current QC roster harbors more good big-league regulars than the memphis roster; but memphis might trump ’em in quantity.

Poll
Which St. Louis minor-league affiliate has the most future big-league regulars on its current roster?
Memphis
120 votes
Springfield
204 votes
Palm Beach
40 votes
Quad Cities
152 votes

516 votes | Poll has closed

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hey, it's lboros again

stick around this time, will ya?

by d-dee on Apr 20, 2010 9:52 AM EDT reply actions  

His strike outs are up, but his overall numbers are 4th highest in his career

maybe he thinks he has to make that adjustment considering the pitching report on Pujols is “don’t throw him strikes”. Maybe he’s making the statement that he doesn’t need strikes to put up 1.080 ops?

End result is the same….just a different way of getting there.

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Apr 20, 2010 10:00 AM EDT reply actions  

And I did think about

“the de-value of a K” and how OBP is “more important” than SLG but from a RC standpoint he’s doing 11 runs per game….which is good for 3rd of his career.

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Apr 20, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

if his chase rates stays at 30 percent

he’ll have a hard time sustaining those numbers.

by lboros on Apr 20, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

based on what?

That’s not snippy, I literally don’t know what.

Does his Pitch F/X player card have bad numbers for the O-Zone contacts, which is 75% vs career 65%? Yeah he’s swinging more but he’s hitting more too. What happens when he puts those balls into play?

Last year he saw the fewest pitches in the zone, 45% which is exactly what he’s seeing now. He’s swinging a lot more this year BUT actually making less contact in the zone while putting up Pujols numbers.

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Apr 20, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

A chase rate like that isn't usually matched with a swinging strike rate as low as Pujols has.

Sure, if you’re going out of the zone and still smoking the ball like a fiend on rocks, then you’ll put up .450 wOBAs, but that isn’t usually how it works. Usually, higher O-swing results in more ground balls, more swinging strikes, worse timing.

I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons

by hazel on Apr 20, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Plus,

if you continue to chase stuff off the plate, pitchers will just stop throwing you good pitches all together because they don’t have to. I would venture to say that Albert’s still a better hitter on balls in the strike zone that out of it, and if pitchers learn that they don’t have to come in there as often because he’ll chase a pitch up and away, he’s going to get fewer pitches to hit.

Sure, for some players (Vlad Guerrero, Pablo Sandoval) it seems like they can hit any pitch thrown to any spot and square up the ball every time.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Apr 20, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

I could see this happening,

causing Pujols to become more selective, pushing his O-swing back down, and making the world look a lot more like normal again.

I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons

by hazel on Apr 20, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think he's just struggling with his swing right now

and is trying to work it out during PA’s, causing him to chase some pitches that he normally wouldn’t chase. Kind of like a shooter trying to work out of a slump by taking some shots he normally wouldn’t take.

I would guess it’s going to go back to normal, especially if Holliday and Colby start raking the baseball hitting behind him.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Apr 20, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

how is he struggling with his swing when he's

doing more with less?

His LD’s are down, and his FBs are up BUT they’re at the exact same FB/HR rate and as lb said a lot of his fly balls are poorly classified.

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Apr 20, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

and his BABIP are at career norms.

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Apr 20, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

he might be getting away w/ it for now

but i think it’s uinlikely that he can do it over time. basically, you’re suggesting that a guy can change from a very selective hitter into an undisciplined one without any change in results. i wouldn’t bet on even a great hitter like albert being able to do that.

by lboros on Apr 20, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

well, that is of course,

what makes him such a great hitter is he’s so selective…I’m alluding to the fact that until things get out of hand I’m sticking with he’s just a great hitter.

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Apr 20, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

i would agree with that

that’s what i meant by “i reckon he’ll adjust, as he always does.” that’s what great hitters do - when something’s out of whack they figure it out and get back on track. when pitchers wrest an advantage, the great ones adjust and take the advantage away.

i think albert will do that. his chase rate will go down, he’ll go back to being selective, and he’ll continue to rake.

by lboros on Apr 20, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

whoops, not to re-engage this argument

however, I meant to say:

Pujols is a great hitter. He is a selective hitter.

That doesn’t necessarily correlate to he is a great hitter because he is selective, even though that’s generally how it works.

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Apr 20, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

whiccchhhhh brings me to my original question

“based on what”.

Are there any sabr metrics or pitch fx data that suggest he can’t sustain this or are we just going by “it just doesn’t work that way”? again, not snippy just curious.

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Apr 20, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

we're going by

“it just doesn’t work that way” — by which i mean, i can’t think of a single precedent for it. can you? can you name a great hitter who, in response to pitchers trying to pitch around him, started swinging at balls at continued to be a great hitter? i can’t think of a single player who did that.

by lboros on Apr 20, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just devils advocating without evidence

perhaps what’s happening is that pitchers are throwing him junkballs out of the zone trying to give him the old unintentional-intentional. He’s then getting a bead on these, and smoking them, even though they’re out of the zone.

In this case, he’s still being selective, its just not selective reasoning based on the strike zone as much as it is on pitch quality.

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Apr 20, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

here i disagree with you

i think his selective approach at the plate is part of his greatness. i don’t think he can make himself into a different type of hitter. if he maintains a 30 pct chase rate all year, it’s eventually going to catch up w/ him. not in a good way.

by lboros on Apr 20, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's certainly possible

maybe even probable, however, he’s doing it thus far so I can’t say anything with any confidence until it does catch up with him. If his overall numbers or even his peripherals were down then ya, but….

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Apr 20, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

For what little it's worth,

Pujols doesn’t look right up there. He’s had a few PAs of lower quality than we expect, and he seems visibly uncomfortable or fooled more often than I can remember him being.

That said, he is still hitting the crap out of the ball on balance. It’s just not in the normal Albert Pujols way we are used to.

I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons

by hazel on Apr 20, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

well, I'm a HUGE fan of "eyeing things up" believe it or not

because that’s my initial thoughts too. I freak out when he strikes out and think OMG he’s so struggling and it just doesn’t “seam” the dude is still tearing the cover off the ball.

That’s why I’m open to me being totally wrong here, however, my “secondary gutshot” is he knows he’s not going to be pitched too so he’s adjusting to that….

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Apr 20, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with this.

He doesn’t look like Pujols at the plate, like a batting tiger, crouched, waiting to pounce on a pitcher’s mistake and mutilate it.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Apr 20, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm basing it on this

Every time I can remember him struggling, he does three things:

  • He pops the ball up a lot. Not hard hit fly balls, but lazy pop flys. We’ve seen some of that since the start of the homestand last Monday. You also don’t see a lot of singles up the middle, which is something he does on a fairly consistent basis otherwise.
  • He’s constantly practicing his swing in between pitches. When he’s feeling good, he rarely does this, but when he’s not feeling right, he steps out and does 2 or 3 half swings like he’s trying to find the right path for his hands.
  • He swings through fastballs out of the zone. When he’s locked in, he rarely misses a fastball that he swings at — he’ll foul it off or put it in play, but the majority of his swings and misses are on good breaking stuff with 2 strikes.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Apr 20, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wouldn't your first point be wrong

due to his FB/HR ratio being at career norms? If he was hitting lazy ones it’d be lower.

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Apr 20, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think having a career normal FB/HR ration is mutually exclusive to struggling and hitting a lot of lazy ones.

If his LD% is down, it could be as easily explained as, he is still good enough to hit a homer every so many times at the bat, but, during those other PAs, he is not making solid contact as consistently.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Apr 20, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think so either and I did mention his lowered LD

rate. I was pointing out that an observation of “lazy fly balls” was probably wrong. Not whether or not he’s struggling.

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Apr 20, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

There's no statistic that measures "lazy fly balls"

So quoting statistics to refute an observation is an exercise in futility.

I’ve seen probably 90% of his PA’s in the last week and I’ve observed that he’s hit a lot of pop-ups and lazy flys where he hasn’t squared up the ball well.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Apr 20, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

well what you've "seen"

(as of April 12, assuming correct math) was a SLG of .600 and a OPS of 1.000.

Pretty good for a lot of pop ups and lazy flies….

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Apr 20, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Futility (again)

Go to mlb.tv and look at every PA over the last week. Count how many pop-ups and fly balls he’s had. Then come back and argue with me.

Short of that, this argument is over.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Apr 20, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Trade Him Now...

…while we can still get Howard for him…

:=8P

Big McLargehuge!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Apr 20, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

well if we're getting strawman about it

my great great grandpa said that babe ruth hit a log or pop ups and lazy flies so he really wasn’t that good.

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Apr 20, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

i hit "log or popups" all the time, btw.

lol letting work interfere with my inet arguing.

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Apr 20, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's Log....

…its big its heavy its wood
its better than bad its good!

Big McLargehuge!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Apr 20, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

everyone wants a log...

…everyone needs a log

Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")

by STLRegalia on Apr 20, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

rec for log.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Apr 20, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why is it a strawman argument

to ask you to go back and look at all the PA’s I’ve seen over the last week. I’ve seen nearly every game in it’s entirety over that period of time (which is saying a lot considering there was a 20 inning game in there and I have a 3 week old daughter at home) and I’m telling you, he’s popped the ball up a lot over that period of time.

If you don’t want to believe me, that’s fine, but until you can refute it with evidence, I’ll stick to my story.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Apr 20, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

If anything

the strawman argument applies to you.

I’ve simply said he looks like he’s struggling with his swing and pointed out characteristics I remember seeing in the past when he’s struggling.

I don’t have access to the Fox or ESPN archives so that I can pull up video to PROVE this point without question, it’s just my opinion.

He’s the best hitter in the game, of course he’s going to be nearly great even when he’s struggling, but that doesn’t mean everything is right with him either.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Apr 20, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

well if you're saying

it LOOKS like he’s struggling but he’s ACTUALLY NOT, then yes, I did pull a strawman and I agree 100%.

You’re not the only one that has seen every game including the 20 inning game in it’s entirety, including 2 games at busch.

What do I remember about all these games? Pujols striking out a lot. Why? It’s a deviation and it goes along nicely with Loss Aversion.

I just know how to get over myself and my gut shot instincts. I shit myself when I checked the numbers and didn’t believe them. But that’s the beauty about empirical evidence.

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Apr 20, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think he's struggling with his swing

And Albert has actually SAID that he’s struggling with his swing.

Just because he’s struggling doesn’t mean that he’s necessarily going to show up in the results.

Check his home/away splits

Pretty clear that he struggled a bit last week isn’t it? His OPS is down nearly 300 points from week one.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Apr 20, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

FWIW, Fangraphs tracks infield fly balls.

Won’t settle the argument because it doesn’t include cans of corn in the outfield, but his IFFB% in 2010 is 13.0%, in line with his career norm of 13.3%.

by all4tookie on Apr 20, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the actual argument

is perception vs perceived reality,

Because the actual argument was whether or not pujols was struggling.

When I suggested there isn’t a number that justifies that statement it turned into whether or not he hits lazy flies/pop outs

(because even IF he IS hitting lazy fly balls it doesn’t change the fact he’s putting up Pujols numbers…so ie strawman argument, no?)

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Apr 20, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

And......that's not true either

You’re simply cherry picking what I said above, which was three observations, not one.

I’ve noticed some things watching him over the years and when the man says he’s struggling with his swing, I tend to believe him. After all, he surely knows more about his swing than any of us here.

He has been doing all of those things the last week — numerous people I chat with and talk to during games have mentioned it.

Don’t believe me? Fine. But stop with the “perception vs. perceived reality” garbage. You sound more foolish the more you carry this on.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Apr 20, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'm "cherry picking"

because I never got passed your first nonsensical bullet point.

yeah, it’s my fault for getting into the argument whether or not he’s hitting cans of corn because like I said, even if he his OPS couldn’t give a fuck.

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Apr 20, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Perhaps...

..is a wickerman argument instead, by which I mean the good Equalizer-dude wickerman set in Scotland, and not the lame Nicholas Cage wickerman argument set in cowifornia, I mean what’s up with THAT???
:=8/

Big McLargehuge!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Apr 20, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Burning man argument?

I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons

by hazel on Apr 20, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Burning man....

….think I saw a hygiene film with that name…
:=8P

Big McLargehuge!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Apr 20, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wouldn't that just be

incoherent ramblings while under the influence of peyote?

"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols

by splhcb67 on Apr 20, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wait, that's not what this website is?

I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons

by hazel on Apr 20, 2010 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Congrats on the kid!

"There's a new sheriff in town." - Brendan Ryan

by jd is legend on Apr 20, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks

As soon as she’s big enough to fit in her Cardinals onesie, there will be pictures. :-)

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Apr 20, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

every time I go to the store

I seem to come back with a new cards onesie

Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")

by STLRegalia on Apr 20, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

You are not alone :)

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Apr 20, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

now that you bring it up

I need to see if I have one uploaded to FB, so I can change my avatar…

Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")

by STLRegalia on Apr 20, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

found one

Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")

by STLRegalia on Apr 20, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

what a beautiful

baby!

"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby

by albrtfn on Apr 20, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

why thank you

Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")

by STLRegalia on Apr 20, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

If I had a dollar for every time someone on the internet demonstrated lack of comprehension of the term "strawman argument"

I’d be blowing coke out of my arse somewhere on a private island in the bahamas.

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Apr 20, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

straw is tasty...

…and full of fiber!

Big McLargehuge!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Apr 20, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Apr 20, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tee hee

arse

"There's a new sheriff in town." - Brendan Ryan

by jd is legend on Apr 20, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

But he's hitting MORE fly balls

Quite a bit more actually. He’s hitting the same number of homers on each fly ball as he has in his career, but that says nothing about what the other fly balls are that he’s hitting.

If you’ve watched the games in the last week, I find it hard to believe you’d disagree — he’s popped the ball up at least once a game over the last 5-6 games. That’s something he hardly ever does when he’s locked in.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Apr 20, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

2 cents worth

he is pressing to do better than holliday and doesn’t like walking in front of matt and letting matt have the rbi chances. in short, having a bit of an ego issue and pitchers are taking advantage..

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going

by sportsman on Apr 20, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

But Alberts

favorite stat is Runs Scored.

by Evilfrog on Apr 20, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

a favorite stat may also be $$$$

which he won’t gain leverage on by walking

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going

by sportsman on Apr 20, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree

if he has a .500 OBP this season I have a feeling that’s going to get noticed in the negotiations over salary.

He’s stated numerous times that his biggest focus is to lead the league in runs every year. That requires getting on base a lot.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Apr 20, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'm going to attribute

his impatience the past two games to frustration stemming from not being pitched to the entire second half of the 20-inning affair. he’s seemingly come out hacking at anything close since then, be it the first pitch of the AB or ball four.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Apr 20, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right.

Unless Albert suddenly turned into Vlad Guerrero, which would be a downgrade for sure.

You can read it in any tone you like.

by spants on Apr 20, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

If Albert turned into any active baseball player

It would be a downgrade for sure

"There's a new sheriff in town." - Brendan Ryan

by jd is legend on Apr 20, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

What if he turned into Tim Lincecum?

I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons

by hazel on Apr 20, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Still a downgrade

Unless he plays first base on his off days and hits like a league average 1st baseman.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Apr 20, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Speaking of people that don't hit like league average first basemen,

Allen Craig.

I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons

by hazel on Apr 20, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

allen craig has a 40 percent LD rate.

And some bad luck. I’m not worried.

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Apr 20, 2010 1:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

and a good eye, and patience

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Apr 20, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Then we would be a .500 team.

I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons

by hazel on Apr 20, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

heh

You can read it in any tone you like.

by spants on Apr 20, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe it would work out better in like 6-8 years

Right now? No thank you. At least he’d get on TV more.

"There's a new sheriff in town." - Brendan Ryan

by jd is legend on Apr 20, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

is that O.P.S. or is it ops?

While Spinning.

How much were yours? 34 dollars. You know you got a pay raise... right?

by streamman on Apr 20, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

W.H.I.P.

Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")

by STLRegalia on Apr 20, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's a stealth ops

That’s when a player’s OPS is really high but nobody notices.
Ghostridin’ the WHIP is when a pitcher’s WHIP is really awesome but he’s not doing anything to earn it so it’s probably just luck.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Apr 20, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Also, WAR of attrition

is when a player’s yearly WAR steadily declines

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Apr 20, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

On the discussion on that the other day

I spell out O.P.S. and I say the whole phrase batting average of balls in play but everything else is an acronym for me

The bible declares an eye for an eye, so, let us now take our vengeance on this murderous ocean. . . You won't be hurting anyone anymore

by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Apr 20, 2010 3:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I also spell out

W.P.A.

The bible declares an eye for an eye, so, let us now take our vengeance on this murderous ocean. . . You won't be hurting anyone anymore

by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Apr 20, 2010 3:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I think Albert is just chomping at the bit.

He appears to be a little out in front on everything. He’ll settle down a little and adjust. I hope.

You can read it in any tone you like.

by spants on Apr 20, 2010 10:07 AM EDT reply actions  

I hope so too.

But man, he just looks off. No numbers here, but in terms of his approach/outcome, it just seems like he is up there looking to jack a HR every AB. LB’s data on swinging at junk outside the zone back up this impression to some extent.

He LOOKS like he just HAS to yank a HR or it wasn’t a good PA. I dunno…I just see him really looking to pull/swing for the fences every time instead of going up the middle or to RF/RC.

Guys are gonna continue pitching him away; it would be sweet if he would just look away and poke a few doubles/singles to RF to keep them honest. I mean, if one of Skip or Lud gets on base, a freakin’ walk or single so there’s 2 guys on with < 2 outs for Holliday is considerably better than GIDP and/or an unproductive out. We’ve seen A LOT of that from him this year.

It’s early….He’s got his Big Bat Protection now; just get on base, mang! The big numbers will come!

by goodymobb on Apr 20, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, he smoked a line drive up the middle yesterday, but it was right at the CFer.

I don’t know that he’s necessarily trying to pull the ball, though he obviously will hit more HRs that way. I think he’s not seeing the ball quite as well as he normally does, and so he’s guessing and swinging away. He’s looked downright silly on almost all of his strikeouts.

But yes, it is early. I think he will start seeing the ball better and stop swinging at so much junk.

You can read it in any tone you like.

by spants on Apr 20, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

He had some runs like this last year, IIRC

where he looked to be fooled on nearly everything. I guess we have to remember that (despite first appearances) he is human and he does sometimes not looks very good with a bat in his hands. He’s still got a .447 wOBA for the year.

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Apr 20, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Albert seems to have runs like this every so often

And, to me, this one looks about the same as the usual. They usually last, oh, a couple of weeks (if that), and then he works it out, and he’s back. If he’s still looking like this by the end of May, then we can worry. (Though I’ll be completely shocked if he’s still looking like this by the end of May.)

"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols

by splhcb67 on Apr 20, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wonder

if Albert is expanding his strike zone because, with Holliday behind him, AP’s expecting to get more pitches to hit. Thus, on 3-0 or 3-1, he’s expecting the pitcher to not want to walk him and to put one in the strike zone. Thus, he ends up swinging at more bad pitches. In previous years with the same count, he would expect a pitch out of the strike zone. If this is the case (I have no evidence), then AP will eventually figure it out and go back to taking his walks.

by CRay on Apr 20, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Old makes the same comment below

sorry, I didn’t read more before posting

by CRay on Apr 20, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

champing, i think

i think we’ve had this discussion in a GT.

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1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby

by albrtfn on Apr 20, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

heh

Fair enough.

You can read it in any tone you like.

by spants on Apr 20, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

STAB

You can read it in any tone you like.

by spants on Apr 20, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fish swim
Birds fly
Daddies yell
Mamas cry
Old men
Sit and think
I stab

(Mary Gauthier)

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Apr 20, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

That's frickin great.

A rec for you.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Apr 20, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

then it really gets sad round midnight. . .

An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.

HL Mencken

by akaitori on Apr 20, 2010 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

And old stamping grounds

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Apr 20, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here's hoping Yadi gets a day off

Or least a few innings. From Joe Pawilkowski’s Fangraphs entry yesterday:

Molina has not had a day off since April 13, an off-day for the team. Since then he has caught 56 innings in five days. The Cardinals travel to Arizona for a three-game set starting this evening. Because Arizona doesn’t observe Daylight Savings Time, this amounts to a two-timezone jump. Would LaRussa dare start Molina again tonight?

The answer was no of course, as Yadi played the whole game yesterday. I know LaRussa lets Molina play when he wants, but at some point, he’s gotta step in and make Molina sit instead of squat.

"But as the leadoff guy that inning, my job is to get on base and let guys drive me in." - Albert Pujols 8/20/09, base-clogger.

by lightbulb on Apr 20, 2010 10:17 AM EDT reply actions  

Hmmm.

So, I need to make a point of catching Anderson’s only Cardinals start tonight. I was planning on seeing “Kick-Ass.”

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Apr 20, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's a tough choice

but I can vouch that Kick-Ass is a freaking awesome movie.

Think; It's not illegal yet.

by azruavatar on Apr 20, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Since I didn't get to see Anderson when Memphis came to Iowa last week,

it makes the decision a more difficult one. After suffering through Pagnozzi’s horrible defense, maybe I could at least see a catcher who is decent behind the plate. Sunday night, I listened to Rooney and Shannon on the radio. During the pre-game, Rooney was discussing Anderson being called up. He stated that it was for two reasons: (1) Anderson was killing the ball at the AAA, which he was; and (2) Anderson’s defense had improved. To support the second assertion, Rooney relayed a conversation that Shannon had with Mike Matheny, who has worked with Anderson and said that Anderson’s defense has “improved dramatically.”

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Apr 20, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Watch the game.

The movie will still be in theaters tomorrow.

You can read it in any tone you like.

by spants on Apr 20, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

And Anderson will probably only be in St. Louis for another week and a half or so

Will he get another start (other than tonight)? I’d wager no

"There's a new sheriff in town." - Brendan Ryan

by jd is legend on Apr 20, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good point.

You can read it in any tone you like.

by spants on Apr 20, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

well, it somewhat depends on how he does tonight (assuming he's catching)

but i’d wager, so long as lohse doesn’t have a bad outing that gets attributed to anderson, that he’d also catch lohse’s next start.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Apr 20, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree.

I don’t think one injury-plagued season destroys a player’s status as a prospect. Apparently, I am in the vast minority on this. He probably wouldn’t be in my organizational top 10, but he would be on my “prospects to watch” list as a heavy favorite to bounce back after a tough 2009. (So would D.J. Tools.)

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Apr 20, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

He'd be about my number 11/12 I think

and I would say that the difference in quality between the guys just outside our top 5 and just inside our top 20 is small – we really don’t have more than 5 or 6 really good prospects.

That said, I think people under-rate just how young Anderson STILL is. He’s a year younger than Tyler Henley.

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Apr 20, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

For what it is worth,

Mo seems to agree with us on Anderson:

“It’s important that he reestablish himself as a top prospect,” general manager John Mozeliak said. “Remember, he’s 23. He’s still very young.”

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Apr 20, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

I question the rationale of any evaluator that ranks Robert Stock over Bryan Anderson right now.

Yet every major third party ranking (Law, BA, BP, Sickels) has them ranked that way. It completely baffles me.

Think; It's not illegal yet.

by azruavatar on Apr 20, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

But he's new and shiny!

Joe Morgan would LOVE him.

Jeff Jordan's dad can beat up your dad.

by flipthebird15 on Apr 20, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

He has way more hyperventilated-over-phenom potential

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Apr 20, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

HOPP, if you will

"There's a new sheriff in town." - Brendan Ryan

by jd is legend on Apr 20, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

I could go for some morning hops

Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")

by STLRegalia on Apr 20, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

A breakfast stout?

I think that would be more malty than hoppy, though. I could be wrong.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Apr 20, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Breakfast IPA.

Better.

"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols

by splhcb67 on Apr 20, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think Stock's a really tough one to place

he could be a top-5 guy or outside the top 10, depending on how you evaluate his college struggles, whether you consider his first half-year as a pro hitter (against very poor opposition) particularly significant, what you think of his two-way potential (95mph off the mound, but is there any chance he can be a pitcher if it takes them 3-4 years to determine that he’s not going to make it as a catcher?), and how you think the team is looking to develop him. I’m still not really sure what to make of him. At the time, I really hated the pick (and I really loved Bittle). In retrospect, I think I’m reversing my view on both.

Descalso is about the only other legit prospect I can think of who’s quite so polarising – I guess you could have him in our top 5, or well outside our top 10 coming into this year. I reckon most of our other higher end prospects are fairly easy to agree on, in terms of their relative standing in the system.

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Apr 20, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

The survivor bias between Memphis and Quad Cities has to be considered though.

There’s a huge gap between Robert Stock major leaguer and Robert Stock 2010. There’s a very small gap between Bryan Anderson major leaguer and Bryan Anderson 2010. The problem is that there’s a gap between Bryan Anderson All-Star projected prospect and Bryan Anderson 2010 that people can’t seem to get past.

Think; It's not illegal yet.

by azruavatar on Apr 20, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

I still think the chances that Bryan Anderson becomes an average major league catcher are pretty high. That’s a fairly valuable commodity.

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Apr 20, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

if bryan anderson were on the astros, would he be their starting catcher?

i think that’s reasonably likely. certainly, he’d be catching a lot of innings. trying to think of other teams with a nondescript catching pair – i’m sure there are others that don’t come to mind.

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Apr 20, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Padres?

Royals (he’s probably better than any of theirs)?

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Apr 20, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

doubtful for the Stros...

They have a better prospect at AAA, Jason Castro, than Anderson and the Astros’ current catcher, JR Towles, who’s still young, is a career .299/.390/.473 minor league hitter and is projected by CHONE to bat .252/.332/.409 in 2010. For reference, Anderson’s CHONE .267/.328/381.

None of this is definitive (how could it be in such an exercise) but there’s not much to suggest that Anderson would be the starting catcher for the Stros.

A related question might be: Why is Castro seen as such a better prospect other than that he was a 1st rd pick (e.g., ranked in top 50 by Baseball America)? He is the same age as Anderson, at the same level (AAA), and his 2010 CHONE is .249/.313/.351. He does have a better “defensive reputation,” whatever that is worth.

The overall line for MLB backstops last season was .254/.320/.395.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Apr 20, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Castro = potential

That’s all I can figure. Most scouts see him as a guy with better on base ability and greater power potential than Anderson. Not that he’ll end up that way, just repeating what I’ve read on him.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Apr 20, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think he would, actually

J.R. Towles has better minor league numbers than Anderson does and is a couple of years older. He also was a “can’t miss” catching prospect once upon a time, but his plate discipline and, subsequently, his power never emerged.

They also have Jason Castro at AAA, who’s one of the better catching prospects in baseball.

I would guess that either of those guys would be playing over Anderson if he were with the Astros.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Apr 20, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

It would be a shorter list of teams. . .

that have a catcher that is descript(?).

I’m not sure, however, that I would count Anderson as descript at this point either. He’s probably a reasonable facsimile of J.R. Towles, for instance, minus the ability to play QB, of course.

by SouthsideCardsFan on Apr 20, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

At this point were he on the 'Stros, he could start at any position.

An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.

HL Mencken

by akaitori on Apr 20, 2010 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow.

If Mike Matheny approves of Anderson’s defense, that has to be good for the young man’s future with TLR, doesn’t it?

Isn’t Mike Matheny an approved approver of TLR?

by SouthsideCardsFan on Apr 20, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

and it's assuming it's all true

and not a page taken from the red sox book of disinformation – talk up the prospects you are looking to unload.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Apr 20, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep

i really, really enjoyed kick-ass.

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Apr 20, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm pretty excited to see the River Bandits live.

I live within spitting distance of the Kane County Cougars stadium (and they just remodeled it) so I’m planning on seeing a couple of Bandits games this year when they’re in town. I was plannning on going in May since the April series is during the week and two of the games are of the “businessman special” variety, but with the roster they have, I’m making every effort to get there next Tuesday night. Just don’t want to run the risk of having some guy called up before they come back mid-May.

Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.

- John Wayne

by Tackle Box on Apr 20, 2010 10:23 AM EDT reply actions  

I would get there as soon as you can.

You don’t know when some of those players will get moved up the minor-league ladder.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Apr 20, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

And of course

get there early for autographs, since those are certified MLB material….

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Apr 20, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

those "guys"

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Apr 20, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

they play in beloit like right now

seriously considering heading to see them if shelby is pitching. anyone know of his next start?

"...and pujols has given st louis the lead"
The Best Defensive Play I Have Seen in Person

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by tgreenfield on Apr 20, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Blazek is starting today.

Shelby last started on April 16, so I’d imagine he would start tomorrow or the next day.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Apr 20, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

I will meet you there...

…I live in north Aurora. I am thinking tacos at Bien Truca beforehand though.

by BigJawnMize on Apr 20, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Please call them by their proper name...

Quad Cities Wild-West Raccoons.

Note: Above comment may contain gratuitous amounts of sarcasm.

BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS

Hey Houston,
Suck it; you suck

by vexedtechie on Apr 20, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

See?!

Note: Above comment may contain gratuitous amounts of sarcasm.

BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS

Hey Houston,
Suck it; you suck

by vexedtechie on Apr 20, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are There Many Evil Raccoon Bandits Preying in that Area..

…that they named a team after them?
:=8/

Big McLargehuge!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Apr 20, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Four Towns' worth

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

by TBender on Apr 20, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

They should have them...

…dumping over trash cans and eating banana skins and apple cores and coffee grounds…

Big McLargehuge!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Apr 20, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

And then washing their hands in the river

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

by TBender on Apr 20, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

yup

well, funny thing about the quad cities is, that there’s a lot more than 4 cities clustered together (especially on the IL side of the river)

he is a bit eccentric

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 20, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

i thought there was 5?

isn’t it davenport, moline, east moline, rock island, and bettendorf?

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by Felonius_Monk on Apr 20, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

they lump the two molines together.

but there are smaller cities such as Milan, Silvis, etc that border on the other towns so it could be like 7 or 8 or more depending on how you evaluate it.

he is a bit eccentric

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 20, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually the original 4 were ...

Davenport, Moline, East Moline, and Rock Island.

by QuadCitiesCardsFan on Apr 20, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

hmm

did not know that. grew up in between east moline and geneseo btw

he is a bit eccentric

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 20, 2010 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

how would you know?

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Apr 20, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

hmmm

I always thought is was Bettendorf and no East Moline. Shows what I know.

by Mister Eff on Apr 20, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting

I grew up in Bettendorf/Riverdale and we always considered the Quad Cities to be Davenport, Bettendorf, Moline, and Rock Island.

(Though I see on Wikipedia that the original 4 included East Moline.)

by Willie McGee's Twin on Apr 20, 2010 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

exactly what i was thinking

but couldn’t come up with it – good job.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Apr 20, 2010 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

keep up the good work.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 20, 2010 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Should be green by gametime

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

by TBender on Apr 20, 2010 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wiki says there are at least 5 towns now

Davenport, Bettendorf, Rock Island, Moline and East Moline, along with a bunch of other smaller communities.

In addition to the five anchor cities, the Quad Cities area also comprises a number of surrounding smaller communities. Examples of these communities include the Iowa cities of Eldridge, Long Grove, Park View, Blue Grass, Buffalo, Montpelier, Walcott, Maysville, McCausland, Mount Joy, New Liberty, Pleasant Valley, Princeton, Le Claire, Panorama Park and Riverdale. The Illinois communities are Silvis, Milan, Andalusia, Carbon Cliff, Coal Valley, Colona, Geneseo, Hampton, Port Byron, Orion, Kewanee, Aledo, and Rapids City.

Down with the serial comma!

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Apr 20, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought it was this?

Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")

by STLRegalia on Apr 20, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

makers of one of the most annoying songs of all time

I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!

by First mammal to wear pants on Apr 20, 2010 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I need to go see a game in the qc next time I'm back there...

hopefully it will be soon before some of those guys move up

he is a bit eccentric

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 20, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

burlington

They play in burlington this weekend, looks like i need to go see a couple of games. I live an hour south i dont see near as many games as i should, tiny little park but it cheap, and the games r usually good, not well played but still good

"Chuck Norris CAN divide by zero"

by elirock83 on Apr 20, 2010 3:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

next weekend

The 29, 30,+ 1

"Chuck Norris CAN divide by zero"

by elirock83 on Apr 20, 2010 3:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

i really should learn to read the damn

calendar last weekend in may the play in burlington, junk color printers

"Chuck Norris CAN divide by zero"

by elirock83 on Apr 20, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Happy Brian Anderson Day

First start tonight, I’m excited

by riotmute on Apr 20, 2010 10:25 AM EDT reply actions  

Hooray!

"But as the leadoff guy that inning, my job is to get on base and let guys drive me in." - Albert Pujols 8/20/09, base-clogger.

by lightbulb on Apr 20, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Says who?

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

by TBender on Apr 20, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Leach

Think; It's not illegal yet.

by azruavatar on Apr 20, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Grazie

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

by TBender on Apr 20, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Anderson

Gets his first start with Dan Haren on the opposing mound. Can’t wait to see.

Hey Ump!

by paposse on Apr 20, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

I suspect that 95%+ of the time. . .

the correct answer to that poll for any organization would be the AAA team, for the reason that you indicate in your last paragraph, lboros.

That being said, is it just me, or does Memphis does appear to have a ton more “depth” players than at any time in recent history. And I’m not just talking about minor league veterans that can rightly be labelled as Quadruple-A guys, those guys who have already proven not to be able to major league “regulars” as you define them, but are capable of filling in for a two-week period. I mean guys who could provide major-league depth at worst.

BTW, lboros, welcome back to posting even if it is only for a day.

Albert’s chase rate is concerning, I agree.

by SouthsideCardsFan on Apr 20, 2010 10:26 AM EDT reply actions  

I disagree.

I would suspect that a plurality of the time, it is the AA affiliate that has the most potential MLB regulars on its roster. AAA rosters seem to have a lot of AAAA replacement players on them, guys who will fill in for a spell as need dictates, but won’t ever start 120 MLB games. (This is coming from someone who grew up and continues to watch a lot of AAA games.)

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Apr 20, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree that the Cardinals treated their AAA affiliate this way in the recent past. . .

but I think that was more out of necessity than it was by design.

I would imagine that the attrition rates increase exponentially as you go down each level in the minors.

by SouthsideCardsFan on Apr 20, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's interesting

that at the present time, Memphis, Springfield, and QC are all getting large numbers of votes. I interpret that to mean that folks see a lot of potential at a lot of places in our system.

by CRay on Apr 20, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

The wild thing about Pujols's zone-stretching is that his swinging strike rate has stayed very low.

Rates like O-swing also regress, so hopefully Pujols and Carlos Silva will continue to have the same O-swing% all year as one gets even better and the other goes back to being awful.

Also, hitting more flies isn’t necessarily a bad thing. Despite a big spike in K rate, Pujols wOBA has stayed quite high thanks to the increased power he is showing evidenced by those hard-hit flies.

I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons

by hazel on Apr 20, 2010 10:33 AM EDT reply actions  

and his hr/fb ratio is at career totals

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Apr 20, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

And his FB% is up 8% over last year.

So, his HR/PA is likely a bit higher, right?

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Apr 20, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

HR/PA career: 1:16.56

HR/PA 2009: 1:14.89
HR/PA 2010: 1:12.4

Pretty dramatic.

I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons

by hazel on Apr 20, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Quite a bit higher.

Maybe he’ll 77 homers this year and put all of this asterisk nonsense to rest.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Apr 20, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pujols

I think he’s struggling with his swing, which is leading him to chase a lot of pitches he normally wouldn’t swing at. He’s still crushing the baseball and one of the ways that we’ve always been able to spot Albert struggling is that he starts popping the ball up a lot. It just so happens that he’s doing it at the beginning of the season this year. I would guess if you took snapshots of his PA’s from last September and a few other 2 week periods in his career where he’s been less-than-Albert, his FB and IFFB rates have gone up over those periods and his line drive and ground ball rates have gone down.

FWIW, I’m not too worried about it. He’s extremely focused on scoring lots of runs, and with Holliday and Colby starting to get it going behind him, I definitely think he’ll begin taking more walks as the season progresses since he’ll probably score 25-30% of the time that he reaches first base. If he gets on base at his career clip, I have no doubt that he’ll lead the league in runs scored by a wide margin and that seems to be what he’s most concerned about as an offensive player.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Apr 20, 2010 10:35 AM EDT reply actions  

I wonder if its an effect of Holliday

He figures with Holliday behind him, he’ll see more strikes and is guessing more when the count goes to 3 balls. However, the pitchers have still continued to pitch around him (as they always have) which means he’s swinging at more bad pitches than in the past. I can’t see him keeping this up for much longer.

by olddomination on Apr 20, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Could be.

Go to a day-by-day database search on how much less Pujols walked after the Holliday trade last year. It’s dramatic, but not necessarily because he saw more strikes.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Apr 20, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

In the past

When Pujols didn’t really have solid protection hitting behind him (2006-1st half 2009), he seemed to take hacks at balls out of the zone when there were 2 outs and none on/man on first or when the count went to 3-1. However, he usually ended up taking his walk when there were 2 strikes on him. This year, it seems that in some at-bats he takes multiple hacks at ball 4. Again, I’ll have to check AB graphs to prove this.

by olddomination on Apr 20, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

If there's one thing in life that I've learned over the past 10 years

It’s don’t worry about Pujols.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Apr 20, 2010 10:41 AM EDT reply actions   5 recs

Especially 12 games into a season

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

by TBender on Apr 20, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

probably the best post of this thread

unfortunately (fortunately?) it’s about all we have to worry about right now

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Apr 20, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also, can we welcome Ryan Ludwick back to the living?

In that 20 inning game he played like he was on ecstasy, but the last two days have seen him bring his hitting numbers back above 2009 levels. His P/PA is one of the highest on the team, and his high BABIP is matched with a low HR/FB, so they should counteract one another as they regress. If we get anything close to 2008 Ludwick this year, our offense will probably be in the top five or ten in the majors.

I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons

by hazel on Apr 20, 2010 10:43 AM EDT reply actions  

apparently nearly killing David Freese in BP was all he needed

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 20, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

He has looked locked in, that's for sure.

I think he likes batting second.

You can read it in any tone you like.

by spants on Apr 20, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

now if only he'd run the bases better than Brendan Ryan...

/tongue-in-cheek

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 20, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

No seriously.

You can read it in any tone you like.

by spants on Apr 20, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

I can think of more than one person

who would like batting in front of Albert, even a struggling version of Albert

"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby

by albrtfn on Apr 20, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Moving him to the 2 hole was a good idea

I also think that it’s clear that Mac has had a big effect on his approach, because he’s swinging at a lot fewer first pitches than he did either of the last two seasons.

I still think he has a bad tendency to chase balls up, and he usually ends up hitting lazy fly balls or swinging through those pitches. If he can learn to lay off of the high cheese and stay locked in on the ball down in the zone, we’ll be seeing something close to the 2008 Ludwick I think. My avatar-less profile depends on it!

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Apr 20, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

As a numbers-first poster, I generally give little credence to arguments about batting order positions,

but Ludwick just looks like a different guy when he’s hitting earlier in the order. Also, I think his batting stance affects his ability to hit pitches up and pitches away while it makes him better on stuff low and inside.

I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons

by hazel on Apr 20, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

lol second time you brought up "looks like"

i feel like I’m in the twilight zone here.

Like I said earlier, I’m a hugggeeee fan of “looks like” especially in social situations (because we have a shit-ton of our brain dedicated to people reading, women more so). There are times to go with your adaptive unconscious and sometimes it’ll get you killed (literally).

How We Decide, Black Swan, and Gladwell’s books are excellent about this subject.

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Apr 20, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm in a good mood,

perhaps it’s making me more prone to irrationality.

Also, thinking of picking up something Gladwell for my next book. Is one better than the others? Are the themes redundant?

I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons

by hazel on Apr 20, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Don't grab his last book...I'm reading it now...

Gladwell has the ability to make the every day so profound. He has almost no real empirical support in his conclusions, however, even the most discriminating empiricists name drop gladwell in their books. He can write an entire book about “the grass is green” and it not be a metaphor and it would be riveting.

With that verbal blowie, I’ll recommend BOTH Blink and Outliers, heavily.

Blink is all about your “gutshot” feeling. Outliers is more of a “talent is overrated” book where it even brings up the exact published studies as “talent is overrated” however, it’s just a better narrative about how why we think Mozart/Tiger Woods were just “born” great.

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Apr 20, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Tipping Point is also very good

I will recommend just about anything Gladwell.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Apr 20, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not much of a sample size before this year as a #2 hitter

I figured TLR had Ludwick all over the batting order at the start of the 2008 season, so I scanned the first two months of games. Ludwick started and batted 2nd one game early in April and went 3-5.

by olddomination on Apr 20, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

In a "numbers first" sense

Look at his career numbers when batting second. His OPS is over 1.000 there.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Apr 20, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, the question is why is that the case.

And I’ve never heard that answered adequately.

I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons

by hazel on Apr 20, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have no idea

The vast majority of those PA’s have come with the Cardinals and occurred in 2007 and 2008, meaning they’ve all come hitting in front of Pujols.

I guess I’m not that concerned with the “why”, I’m just concerned with the results. I guess that’s the little bit of La Russa rubbing off on me or something.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Apr 20, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

You could have just memed:

“Because Tony La Russa”

I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons

by hazel on Apr 20, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

I've actually used "meme" in a IRL convo

…I think meme is now a meme.

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Apr 20, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

meme is a pretty old concept

IIRC it relates to some richard dawkins bollocks about societal inheritance (i.e. the cultural equivalent of “gene”), and it’s been a term to describe internet phenomena pretty much as long as I’ve been on the internet…

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Apr 20, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, but the the self parody is

that internet people weren’t normal people back then…they were usually dorks and nerds (I was rocking the AOL dial up on win 3.11). Now everybody knows what a meme is.

meme went meme.

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Apr 20, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

i did that recently

and no one had ever heard of a meme. a softball team of 14 people, men and women, aged 19-36, and no one knew WTF i was talking about

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Apr 20, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it's perfectly plausible that a player would knowingly or unknowingly change his approach

in different spots in the lineup. Of course, that raises (it does not beg!) the question of whether or not it’s a good idea for a player to try to hit differently because of which spot he’s in. There is plenty of anecdotal evidence that Albert might change his approach (for better or worse) depending on how much help he has around him; it’s more or less the same phenomenon in my opinion.
Anybody (thepainguy especially, since I distinctly remember him talking about this in the off-season) have an opinion on Luddy’s jerky mannerisms at the plate? Does he seem like he’s eliminated some of that unnecessary movement and rocking back and forth? Was that even a problem to begin with?

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Apr 20, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'd have to see this year and last year side by side to see for sure

But just from what I’ve noticed, his head seems to stay more stationary this year. His hands and upper body are still pretty active right up until the pitcher releases the ball, then they go quiet, just like last year.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Apr 20, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

So long as his OPS stays

under .900, he’s a welcome return.

Think; It's not illegal yet.

by azruavatar on Apr 20, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Of course

You’re hoping he comes in at .899 in the first half and then explodes for a 1.000+ in the second half, right?

RIGHT?

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Apr 20, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes.

Think; It's not illegal yet.

by azruavatar on Apr 20, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

But second half production is "the very definition" of "valuable", right?

So if this happened he’d be stealing MVP votes away from Albert.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Apr 20, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

is it just me

or does his batting stance look different

i can’t quite place what it is. less movement? more upright? more open? something

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Apr 20, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Now that you mention it,

It looks more open to me than his stance from last year. Perhaps this was done to limit his head tilt?

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Apr 20, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

stavinoha vs. jay

you forgot that tony loves those 3rd string catchers.

by enoscountry on Apr 20, 2010 11:06 AM EDT reply actions  

If Jay Comes Up

I would assume that Craig at this point will go down. For whatever reason, this staff seems to love Stav. Craig has not been doing much at the plate and Mather has versatility.

by Green Man! on Apr 20, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hitting ropes

just hasn’t gotten the results. I hope they give Craig a few more weeks.

Hey Ump!

by paposse on Apr 20, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Craig's taken more PA than Stav

and they seem VERY unwilling to have Stav out in the field, at all; he’s usually been used for one at-bat and then switched out one way or another. I still think Craig’s ahead in the pecking order.

And, even despite that Stav dinger off Hoffman, neither have really hit much.

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Apr 20, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

that nice diving catch by Craig probably helps

Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")

by STLRegalia on Apr 20, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

According to Leach,

the Cards are “keeping tabs on Jay”:

Outfielder Jon Jay’s hot start at Triple-A Memphis has not gone unnoticed within the Cardinals’ organization. That doesn’t mean he’s on the next plane to join the team, but he’s at least on the club’s radar.

Jay, 25, entered Monday’s game batting .362 with a .412 on-base percentage and a .596 slugging percentage for Memphis. He’s a left-handed hitter, and the Cardinals don’t currently have any of those on their bench — save for switch-hitter Felipe Lopez. Meanwhile, playing time has been scarce for right-handed hitters Allen Craig, Joe Mather and Nick Stavinoha — especially Stavinoha, who entered Monday’s game with seven plate appearances.

“I think it’s flexible or fluid,” general manager John Mozeliak said when asked about his team’s bench. “One thing that we think about when looking at it is playing time. At some point, if we feel we’re just not getting enough at-bats for somebody here, it may make sense to switch.”

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Apr 20, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Can John Jay play the infield?

If not, I don’t see how he’d be a huge change — you’d still have 6 OF’s on the roster vying for playing time, and the top three should and will play 90% of the time.

I think Jay is a better fit than Stav just because he can play great defense, play CF, and is a left handed bat. But that just means that one of Mather or Craig will get fewer PA’s as a result. There’s only so many OF PA’s to go around.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Apr 20, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Anybody can play 2B

/old memes

"There's a new sheriff in town." - Brendan Ryan

by jd is legend on Apr 20, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's true!

Even lefty/lefty outfielders. Tony would do it.

Jeff Jordan's dad can beat up your dad.

by flipthebird15 on Apr 20, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

seeing him turn double plays

would be really, really interesting.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Apr 20, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

I understand the meme

And find it to be funny, but I’ve discussed this before. We could maybe try him at short, though.

I was reading about how countless species are being pushed toward extinction by man's destruction of forests. Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us. - Calvin, Scientific Progress Goes "Boink", Watterson

by Solanus on Apr 20, 2010 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

In many respects

if we just want someone on the bench to play OF defense and run the bases, we’d be as well calling up Shane Robinson. Garbage though his hitting is, he’s got a nice glove and can play CF adequately (or a corner spot very well), and is a decent baserunner. He’s probably less redundant than Stav in that regard.

That said, Jay’s a lefty, and there is something to be said about having another of those on the roster. Also, if we’re merely picking someone to be a defense/pinch-runner-type guy, Tyler Greene makes more sense. As you say, we’re short on infielders, Greene’s got a nice glove, can actually play SS (rather than just be a decent facsimile of a major league shortstop like Floppy), and is probably the best baserunner in the whole organisation.

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Apr 20, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

but lopex has been playing very well at short this season

and greene has been erratic at short this season.

/defending the guy sporting a 0.00 ERA

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Apr 20, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've been playing with this idea in my head for awhile

But would a 5-day or 16-day moving average for statistics be helpful? I was thinking about Schumaker’s defensive improvements over the course of the season last year, and thought a moving average, or at least a graph of the derivative would be useful in seeing that

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Apr 20, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

monthly splits are already really statistically noisy

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Apr 20, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

real question

can he pitch?

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Apr 20, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Holy god.

Allen Craig has hit 40% line drives. His BABIP should be around .500.

I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons

by hazel on Apr 20, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Instead it

sits at .100. I’m ready for some regression.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Apr 20, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jeff Jordan's dad can beat up your dad.

by flipthebird15 on Apr 20, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

TLR seems to like Stav in PH situations though

He is the go to guy right now in PH situations which is why I think that he would have a better chance to stay. Agree that Craig’s approach is much more sound and his minor league numbers much healthier but TLR is set in his ways. Craig may have more PA than Stav because Craig spot starts more. Also, Craig had a few PA in the 20 inning game where Stav had only one (I think – going off of memory.) TLR is looking for the guy off the bench to give him that hit and play the PH role and Stav seems to be the guy he likes. Again, last night he was used in the 8th.

by Green Man! on Apr 20, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Green Man is my Roller Derby Teams potential mascot lol

Here he is at a Roller Girl after party…

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Apr 20, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Green Man

…is hilarious.

Here is Green Man heckling some Kings defenseman (it may be slighly doctored,,,nah)

Here is a really really weird article about people who where spandex suits who call themselves Zentai because the head to toe Lycra really makes them feel good.

I absolutely love “It’s Always Sunny” and Charlie donning the Green Man suit is the best.

by Green Man! on Apr 20, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

pretty sure tony knows craig is the much better hitter

as the season progresses i think you’ll see him pinch-hitting in high leverage situations as opposed to stav (if stav is still around)

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Apr 20, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

we shall see

right now, Stav is clearly his go to guy. Don’t get me wrong, I hope that it becomes Craig soon enough.

by Green Man! on Apr 20, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, I don't know how clear it is.

Craig has double the plate appearances of Stav.

You can read it in any tone you like.

by spants on Apr 20, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Craig has 16 PA in 5 games

Stav has 8 PA in 9 games. Too me it is pretty clear who is being getting the most opportunities in high leverage PH roles.

Craig’s PA were as follows:
4/8 started the game and received 4 PA. Was eventually pulled in double switch for pitcher
4/11 put in a mop up role in Molina’s spot in lineup when Jason LaRue took over catching duties then Stav eventually took over. 2 PA
4/15 pitch hit early in the game against Bud Norris. Stav PH late in same game. 1 PA.
4/16 started in RF. Was replaced with a double switch – pitcher taking his spot. 4 PA
4/17 marathon game. Nobody left on the bench to pull him out. Ended up with 5 PA.

From what I can see, Craig gets the spot start and the occasional PH opportunity, hence he has more ABs. Stav gets the more high leverage crucial PH role so plays in more games and gets less ABs.

To me it is pretty clear that Stav is the go to guy. Maybe things will change and Craig will become that guy.

by Green Man! on Apr 20, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

it's only because stav has been around

and craig is a rook – that’s TLR’s way, but just give it a month. which do you think is the better hitter?

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Apr 20, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Craig IMO is obviously the better hitter

My point is that right now, regardless of reason, Stav is given the role of PH for high leveraged situations. Craig is not getting these opportunities right now.

The discussion started with Jay being called up over Stav. My point is that as of now, if Jay was called up, I would think that Craig would be sent down over Stav because right now Stav has more trust from the manager. I do understand that Mo controls the roster and I do believe that Craig is a better option but TLR is TLR and he does things his way, right or wrong. I also think that Mo would consult with TLR if there was a transaction being made and that Stav would stay. Furthermore, in the future this could all change and Craig could start raking and be given more responsibility.

by Green Man! on Apr 20, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

maybe we could trade stav for volquez?

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Apr 20, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

only if stav will use enhancements first

then we should do it. But everyone is afraid of an enhanced Stav infection.

by Green Man! on Apr 20, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

he could claim he thought they were antibiotics

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Apr 20, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Only if they threw in Bruce

Stav is clutch! And he won’t clog the basepaths by taking a bunch of walks. It’s a dream trade for Dusty.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Apr 20, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I see what you're saying.

But since Craig has actually gotten starts and PAs in succession, I see him as being more of a go-to guy for TLR. Perhaps he’s not the go-to pinch-hitter, but he is a go-to sub and spot starter. I think there is more weight in that.

You can read it in any tone you like.

by spants on Apr 20, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

The game log says otherwise

of his 16 PA 5 came by necessity as one of the last players used in a 20 inning game. Another 2 came during garbage time in the MIL game where we came back to tie then lose.

He is getting some spot starts to stay fresh but is not seemingly being used in high leverage situations when he and Stav are both available. Last night was a prime example.

by Green Man! on Apr 20, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

another way to look at it

is tony tries to get them both some time, and since craig is thought to be way better he merits a start, which sort of leaves ph’ing as the only way to get stav in, because they will not put him in the field.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Apr 20, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is exactly my point.

He disagrees or doesn’t see it. Oh well.

You can read it in any tone you like.

by spants on Apr 20, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I see what you are saying

but do not think that a manager would put a person in for PH duty in a high leverage situation just to get him some work. You do that for garbage time and pinch hitting early in the game when your pitcher works 5 innings and you are behind 4 runs.

So basically, I am disagreeing with your assessment.

Plus the fact that Craig’s defense was considered poor by the organization and that is the only thing that has kept him from a big league job. He has been hitting for a while now and this has been his first opportunity in the big leagues.

We can agree to disagree!

I am new to participating in this board and my personality is not really known. I am hard headed and have to make sure that everyone understands my point! I am also very opinionated. Oh well!

by Green Man! on Apr 20, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

if we wait for our starter to go 5 innings

stav would never bat, because it doesn’t happen (how ’bout them starters!).

also, craig is actually a decent outfielder, whereas stav is not. he might even have a decent glove at third, but because of his arm we’re not going to find out, i guess.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Apr 20, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

For purposes of illustration:

Allen Craig

Nick Stavinfection

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Apr 20, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

end of discussion

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Apr 20, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think his defense is the only thing keeping him from having a

big league job. He is on the team. If Stavinoha’s defense isn’t keeping HIM from having a job, then this truly isn’t the case with Craig. And really, Matt Holliday’s contract is the thing keeping Allen Craig from having a starting job. When Craig’s BABIP falls in line – and it will – he could be seen as a starter for next season. Or maybe they’ll trade him.

The bottom line is that Tony plays small sample sizes. Stav is getting these shots before Craig because he’s got more “experience” (what with his previous call-ups and his limited “success” as a pinch hitter) and he hit that game-winning HR off Hoffman. I don’t think Tony genuinely believes that Stav has a better bat, but only that it’s a hotter bat. (It really isn’t. Stav had one good hit. But that’ s how Tony is.

I think Tony trusts Craig’s talent. That’s why he’s played nearly as much as Joe Mather. I understand the point you are making, but looking to these pinch-hitting, high-leverage situations is a limited way of looking at things. Allen Craig has a future as an everyday player. Stavinoha does not. PH-ing Stav – and giving Craig two starts – supports that view.

You can read it in any tone you like.

by spants on Apr 20, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it's funny that everyone thinks Stav...

has TLR’s confidence but Craig does not. Is this based on the terrible 80 PA’s Stav had last year? Why would that engender confidence?

TLR does not control who is on the roster. The fact that he was using Stav over Craig late last year is because Stav was the roster and Craig was not. I guarantee you TLR did not look at Craig’s and Stav’s minor league offensive numbers (while craig was winning Player of the Year) and say to himself, “I’ll take the guy who is worse at hitting and defending.” Now that both are on the roster, Stav has half the PA’s that Craig has and no field time. That’s a lot more telling than these mindless TLR conspiracy theories.

Stav is the 25th man on the roster (not counting backup catchers who do not normally PH). His usage is consistent with that.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Apr 20, 2010 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed on all points.

You can read it in any tone you like.

by spants on Apr 20, 2010 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree,

but I also think it’s a fallacy to think that TLR has no input on the 25 man roster. He obviously doesn’t set it, but I’m sure his voice is heard.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Apr 20, 2010 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree TLR probably has input...

as he should. But he obviously can’t use players not on the roster. And now that both players are on, Craig is used twice as much.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Apr 20, 2010 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Apr 20, 2010 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

aha

but what if tony thinks that mo thinks that stav is better than craig, and so tony is just playing craig over stav to spite mo? as conspiracy theorists, we must consider all viable motivations.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Apr 20, 2010 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

basically

stav sucks at defense so his only role is as power bat off the bench.

I keep making this comparison, but I’ll make it again. he’s like the new john rodriguez

allen craig is a new guy so tony isn’t going to play him that often or put him into high pressure situations.

apples and oranges, the 2 shouldn’t really be compared too much.

he is a bit eccentric

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 20, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with some of this

I agree with

1. Stav sucks.
2. Craig is new and does not have Tony’s confidence so does not play in high pressure situations.

I do not believe that the organization thinks that Stav is worse defensively than Craig because Craig has not been given an opportunity in STL because of his defensive limitations from most accounts. Craig has clearly been the better hitter in the minors.

by Green Man! on Apr 20, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

he made an amazing play in the OF

sure, they don’t value his defense that much, but with more playing time and if he makes plays like that, they will. I guess we don’t know for sure if they think his defense is better than stav’s, but I’d wager they probably do.

he is a bit eccentric

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 20, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

see my comment above

the only reason you don’t hear about stav being limited by his defense is because there’s so much else he’s limited by that the defense will never be a factor.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Apr 20, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe Stav's potential to be the emergency catcher factors. Maybe, too, TLR likes players with multi-syllable names.

An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.

HL Mencken

by akaitori on Apr 20, 2010 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

i doubt it

i think tony can see that craig is hitting the ball hard and not finding any holes. the number of PAs given to the 4-6 outfielders is telling

stav has half as many as mather and carig

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Apr 20, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

Every once in a while I have to remind myself that the coaching staff isn’t totally dumb. They know when a hitter has a good approach but just doesn’t have anything to show for it yet. I’m not too worried about Craig vs. Stav right now, but it’s still fun to joke around about, cause Tony is Tony.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Apr 20, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah and I'm pretty sure....

the coaching staff is aware that Craig won Minor League Player of the Year last year.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Apr 20, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

Yeah, I think baseball lifers are much more attuned to the reality of a guy who’s stinging the ball and hitting it right at people than most fans are.

by MdRedbirdFreak on Apr 20, 2010 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

when you put it that way....

I didn’t know big Z was doing it like this:

Carlos Zambrano’s ERA has dropped after each of his past two starts; the only problem with that is it has gone from 54.00 to 11.88 to 9.45. Zambrano has allowed 20 hits in 13 1/3 innings and has given up at least one homer in all three of his outings.
– bbtn

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 20, 2010 11:56 AM EDT reply actions  

What's his rate on Gator Aid demolition?

An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.

HL Mencken

by akaitori on Apr 20, 2010 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

the Scrubs pitching staff doesn't impress me...

I still can’t believe they went with Marmol at closer…have they not watched him try to close games out the last two years?

I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!

by First mammal to wear pants on Apr 20, 2010 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who else do they have?

Samardzija is their version of Motte (at least so far) and Caridad (their current righty set-up guy) is, at least this far in his MLB career, very mediocre.

Marmol’s been absolutely nails so far this year and, at least pre-2009, has been pretty awesome. Even if he continues to walk guys at his 2009 rate and go for as many dingers as he did last year (which was a bit unlucky), he’s still probably their best relief pitcher.

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Apr 21, 2010 6:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fun with SSS

4 of the Cards’ starters have FIPs under 3.10. The 5th is Chris Carpenter.

"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols

by splhcb67 on Apr 20, 2010 12:11 PM EDT reply actions  

ahahahahah awesome.

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Apr 20, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

There's no problem with Albert

Even though he’s swinging at pitches out of the strike zone, he’s swinging at pitches in his hitting zone….anadhahah…ah…euuuggghh…..!!!!!
Sorry guys, I don’t know what happened…last thing I know, I was sitting at my computer, logging on to VEB, now I’m sitting here wearing what seems to be a suit that would fit a Goodyear blimp…It seems that I was possessed by the ghost of Joe Morgan.

I’d like to see Albert be more selective than he has in past seasons. He actually has decent protection now so I would think that he would actually be MORE patient, but that seems to not be the case. I wonder if he doesn’t trust Matt Holliday as much as we think he should. Anyway, he is Albert afterall, and I have no doubt that he will figure it out.

"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby

by albrtfn on Apr 20, 2010 12:16 PM EDT reply actions  

why is that?

"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby

by albrtfn on Apr 20, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

your screen name maybe

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Apr 20, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

maybe i'm wrong

maybe he just thinks that albert is fun!

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Apr 20, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh

I get it. I didn’t know that being a fan of Albert made me different than everyone else on this board

"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby

by albrtfn on Apr 20, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

it doesn't

it just makes you as biased as the rest of us

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Apr 20, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

jesus christ people

take a fucking joke

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Apr 20, 2010 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well that's pleasant.

You can read it in any tone you like.

by spants on Apr 20, 2010 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

ummm

I wasn’t mad. I just didn’t understand what you meant.

"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby

by albrtfn on Apr 20, 2010 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh, i thought you were being snarky

carry on

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Apr 20, 2010 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

i forgive you

/now i’m being snarky

"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby

by albrtfn on Apr 20, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

take this as my apology, please

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Apr 20, 2010 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

apology accepted

any idea what that song means?

"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby

by albrtfn on Apr 20, 2010 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

no idea

i searched for “wanna fight about it?” and that came up. i listened to the first 15 seconds or so and decided it was just what we needed to salvage our relationship

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Apr 20, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh I'm so glad you two were able to use your words and the power of song to solve your problems.

Truly proud.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥

by ClemsonGirl on Apr 20, 2010 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Future teacher in the making...

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Apr 20, 2010 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

BTW

1) I do NOT play well with others
2) I run with scissors

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Apr 20, 2010 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're going to need some individual attention and intervention young man!

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥

by ClemsonGirl on Apr 20, 2010 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Still baseball-related, but OT:

This is amazing.

You can read it in any tone you like.

by spants on Apr 20, 2010 12:57 PM EDT reply actions  

I love it.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥

by ClemsonGirl on Apr 20, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

they've got one of the coolest SBN blogs out there

I think the level of memery and irreverence is similar to VEB, just with far fewer people.

Which, I suppose, is probably a fair proxy for the relationship between the Royals and the Cardinals…

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Apr 20, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

What?

They have a tagline!

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

by TBender on Apr 20, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow.

Just when I thought I couldn’t feel any sorrier for the Royals’ fans…

"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols

by splhcb67 on Apr 20, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

like the Royals owner has any real money!

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Apr 20, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, just half of walmart

that’s all

"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby

by albrtfn on Apr 20, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Go Springfield!

St. Louis Cardinals and Indy Colts fan. Avid fan of the Springfield Cardinals, the Cards' AA team!

by Sir Sci on Apr 20, 2010 12:57 PM EDT reply actions  

LOL Cubs

www.cubsmagicnumber.com

The question is, does it take into account the LOSS COLUMN

by Andyfantastic on Apr 20, 2010 1:03 PM EDT reply actions  

oh god....i thought this was a parody site....

I almost want one of those “102nd time is a charm” cause it reeks of sarcasm…

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Apr 20, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

...apparently the cubs are scheduled to play 167 games this year.

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Apr 20, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

But haven't you heard?

This is Year 1 for the Cubs. I guess their futility odometer only has two digits.

I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.

by The Continental on Apr 20, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

lboros!

great post… hopefully someone can do some research on those questions, very interesting insights. I think that they are going through an adjustment period with the new hitting philosophy and of course, the beginning of a new season. Pujols is probably just honing in with all of that and the post-surgery elbow.

he is a bit eccentric

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 20, 2010 1:19 PM EDT reply actions  

They had a hitting philosophy before?

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Apr 20, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

B-E A-G-G-R-E-S-S-I-V-E!

he is a bit eccentric

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 20, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anyone else worried about this??

Calcaterra confirms a National League pitcher will be suspended 50 games in the near future for violating the league’s substance abuse policy.

by all4tookie on Apr 20, 2010 1:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Well we know it isn't Reyes,

as it’s only a semi-big player.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Apr 20, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

ZING!

You can read it in any tone you like.

by spants on Apr 20, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

semi-big player

is my nickname for my johnson. Semi-big is the champ of mediocrity however I’ve decided mediocrity is underrated.

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Apr 20, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

you're lucky I lasted this long.

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Apr 20, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

TWRKS5S.

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Apr 20, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

yeah, usually followed by

I’m sorry, this has never happened to me before, it’s just it’s been a long time and you’re so hot…..

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Apr 20, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

NCAYJ

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

by TBender on Apr 20, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Hmm...

A semi-big name means it can’t be Carp or Waino.

You can read it in any tone you like.

by spants on Apr 20, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know that I'd be bothered if it was Franklin.

I would be bothered if it was Penny.

You can read it in any tone you like.

by spants on Apr 20, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Even after getting busted for juicing

He continued to juice

"There's a new sheriff in town." - Brendan Ryan

by jd is legend on Apr 20, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

50 games w/o franklin???

hmmmmm

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Apr 20, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

My money's on Zambrano.

"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols

by splhcb67 on Apr 20, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

maybe it's Joe Mather

nah, he’s too tall

he is a bit eccentric

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 20, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

TEARS!

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥

by ClemsonGirl on Apr 20, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

hahaha ouch.

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Apr 20, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

There is a decent chance it is Arroyo...here's to hoping:

From USA Today, 8/13/2009:

“I have a lot of guys in (the locker room) who think I’m out of (my) mind because I’m taking a lot of things not on the (MLB-approved) list,” Arroyo says. "I take 10 to 12 different things a day, and on the days I pitch, there’s four more things. There’s a caffeine drink I take from a company that (former teammate) Curt Schilling introduced me to in ‘05. I take some Korean ginseng and a few other proteins out there that are not certified. But I haven’t failed any tests, so I figured I’m good.

by all4tookie on Apr 20, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

it’s probably him.

he is a bit eccentric

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 20, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

wow in the ped witch hunt that is today

that is a ballsy thing to say, regardless.

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Apr 20, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

if ballsy

is synonymous with idiotic, I agree.

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Apr 20, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

It oftentimes is

"There's a new sheriff in town." - Brendan Ryan

by jd is legend on Apr 20, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

It would certainly suck from a PR standpoint,

but it would suck slightly less if it’s really a pitcher. Imagine if a Cardinals hitter tested positive for PEDs the year McGwire became the hitting coach. The horror.

You can read it in any tone you like.

by spants on Apr 20, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

To be consistent

I couldn’t care less if Albert, Rasmus, Holliday, Carpenter, Wainwright and Garcia are all juicing. I just don’t want to lose a player for 50 games.

Think; It's not illegal yet.

by azruavatar on Apr 20, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

i heard it's actually chuckie fick. that's how he's gotten all he's completely awesome results.

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Apr 20, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

*his

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Apr 20, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not concerned in the least, actually

There’s been little movement within the organization’s pitchers at AAA that would bear out someone coming up to make a start, so it’s either one of our relievers or the club doesn’t know yet.

My guess? It’s some stupid ass supplement that somebody was taking and didn’t know what was in it. The J.C. Romero saga all over again.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Apr 20, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'm not concerned

because there is 93% chance the player doesn’t even play for the st louis cardinals

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Apr 20, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

heh

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥

by ClemsonGirl on Apr 20, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey, maybe it's He Who Shall Not Be Named!

Then we don’t have to face him tonight!

"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols

by splhcb67 on Apr 20, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

say what I didn't hear you?

Chuck Norris doesn't need a bat.

he just roundhouse kicks the ball out of the park.

by bearcatcardfan on Apr 20, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

unfortunately

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Apr 20, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's why they're

waiting to announce it until tomorrow.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Apr 20, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thank God!

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥

by ClemsonGirl on Apr 20, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Don't get hasty

could be a Boston pitcher?

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

by TBender on Apr 20, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

in other news, is the msnbc sports peacock at the top always green?

or is this an april 20th thing?

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Apr 20, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

it might be" green" week on nbc

they did that the last couple of years

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Apr 20, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

WAG - brett myers.

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Apr 20, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Completely random guess

Matt Capps

"There's a new sheriff in town." - Brendan Ryan

by jd is legend on Apr 20, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do I get any nice parting gifts?

"There's a new sheriff in town." - Brendan Ryan

by jd is legend on Apr 20, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

You get the home version of VEB

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

by TBender on Apr 20, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Edinson Volquez is the culprit

per Goold tweet.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Apr 20, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

feel bad for the guy

you know he’s just trying to get to where he can pitch

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Apr 20, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

well

would he have even been back in the next 50 days? might not be that bad

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Apr 20, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Rockies owner was found dead in a hotel room in Salt Lake City.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=5118950&campaign=rss&source=twitter&ex_cid=Twitter_espn_5118950
Sad day for baseball it looks like.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥

by ClemsonGirl on Apr 20, 2010 1:58 PM EDT reply actions  

And by owner I mean president.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥

by ClemsonGirl on Apr 20, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wanna know

what was he doing in SLC? There’s no MLB team there, unless he went to see game 3 of the Nuggets-Jazz playoffs?

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Apr 20, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

They said he was there on business with the team.

And other team officials were there with him. Is there a minor league team there?

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥

by ClemsonGirl on Apr 20, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nope

Colorado Springs Sky Sox: Tulsa Drillers, Modesto Nuts, Tri-City (Pasco, WA) Dust Devils, Casper Ghosts and DSL (Domincan Republic) Rockies. The Salt Lake Bees are in AAA, and in the Sky Sox’ division, but they aren’t scheduled to play each other until early June.

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Apr 20, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

And answer: Yes.

The Salt Lake City Bees. I imagine that’s why he was there.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥

by ClemsonGirl on Apr 20, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

When I re-read your post

I realized you meant any team, not just a Rockies affiliate.

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Apr 20, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I assume they were checking out players.

For future trade possibilities or whatever else they would look at players for.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥

by ClemsonGirl on Apr 20, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bromances.

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Apr 20, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

man, that's young.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 20, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

That was big news here in my home state.

He’s from Primgahr, IA originally

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Apr 20, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

So the cardinals are facing

Dan haren. Hmmm, that name sounds familiar. Anybody ever hearD of this guy???

by JWO on Apr 20, 2010 2:06 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Seems so long ago

Actually, I am surprised to look back and see he only appeared in 28 games as a Card. (14 in 03, 14 in 04)

His .7 WAR in 2010 already equals or betters his value to our club in those years. He really turned into a damn fine pitcher. But you all knew that.

Hey Ump!

by paposse on Apr 20, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

has this been posted already? courtesy goold.

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Apr 20, 2010 2:21 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

He looks like someone

Who didn’t take crap from anyone.

by JWO on Apr 20, 2010 2:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Probably took plenty of crap

from his older brothers when he was a kid. Probably an important element in his makeup now.

by MdRedbirdFreak on Apr 20, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

They have Ponderosa's there?

Also, he had the same body type back then, I see.

by SouthsideCardsFan on Apr 20, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

His eyes

are following me.

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Apr 20, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

are you anywhere near second base

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 20, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nah

on first, thinking about taking a big lead…

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Apr 20, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

epic

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Apr 20, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

for all you whisky fans

here is a summary from texts I sent out last night, I was at a whisky tasting:

Attended Whiskies of the World (whisky tasting). Irish were the first to invent it, Scots were the first to drink it. Blackbush from Bushmills was one of the favorites of the table. Talisker was very funky, almost leathery tasting with hints of tobacco (old guy liked it though). got to try the brand spankin new Crown Royal Black (yum). Sat at a table with a dude from Tennessee, a couple, and an old man that looked like John Lovitz. George Dickels Whisky from Tennessee is my new favorite (most of the table agreed). Bushmills 2nd. Crown royal black 3rd. was in a very zen zone… splurge for good whisky if you can. oh yeah alos tried Johnny Walker Green Label, pretty good too.

he is a bit eccentric

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 20, 2010 2:41 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Ooh, lovely.

Which reminds me…I should really have some more of that Glenfiddich tonight.

"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols

by splhcb67 on Apr 20, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you ever have a chance,

try some Middleton’s. It’s made in the old Jameson distillery, and at a minimum, 15 years old. It run’s aboot $140 a bottle out here, but, WOW!

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Apr 20, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

would love to try that

but I won’t be buying any of that stuff, lol!

he is a bit eccentric

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 20, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

My buddy just got one in,

it’s the smoothest thing I have ever tasted.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Apr 20, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll bet

I’m amazed at the variety of whiskys out there

he is a bit eccentric

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 20, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you're ever in a high class joint

look for it. It’s worth the $15 – $20 they’ll charge you for it. Eat the ice.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Apr 20, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

sounds delicious

hopefully they use water filtered ice too

he is a bit eccentric

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 20, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

try Red Breast

if you like the Irish whisky. I usually drink Jamesons (when i drink whisky), and a bartender in Miami recommended it. It’s smoove. And at only $40-50 a bottle, it’s much more reasonable than Midleton – which I’ve heard good things about.

by _pistol_ on Apr 20, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

I have a bottle at home that I got as a gift. Excellent Irish whisky.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Apr 20, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oooh

I really like Johnny Walker green, it’s a cool blend I believe that’s actually very good. The wife got it for me for my birthday once or twice.
Talisker is awesome too, and my dad’s favorite. In fact, I have a bottle of the ten year in my kitchen right now.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Apr 20, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

ESPN website

currently sponsored by CR Black

/cookies!

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

by TBender on Apr 20, 2010 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

can anyone give me a good reason why all star voting starts today?

looking at stats only, ryan franklin is an all star today. vernon wells is an all star today. you could make a good case rick ankiel is an all star today. 3/5 of the cardinals rotation are all stars. pujols is not.

seriously, why start it today?

by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 20, 2010 2:43 PM EDT reply actions  

so that everybody who is just going to vote for whoever's name is on sportscenter a lot can get it out of the way?

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Apr 20, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

To give the host city plenty of time to stuff the ballot box.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Apr 20, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're probably on to something there

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Apr 20, 2010 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

To get a large enough sample of votes

"There's a new sheriff in town." - Brendan Ryan

by jd is legend on Apr 20, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because...why not?

And, also, many of the voters won’t bother to look at stats anyway?

"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols

by splhcb67 on Apr 20, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

everything.

do you really want to see david ortiz at the all star game?

by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 20, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

But its not up to just me.

Its also up to the 10, 11, 12 year old kids who have no idea who the fuck Ben Zobrist is but wanna see Big Papi!!!!

by all4tookie on Apr 20, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

But they teach sabremetrics in school now. . .

right?

Isn’t that what so-called ‘new math’ is all about?

by SouthsideCardsFan on Apr 20, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

New-hoo-hoo-math!

Tom Lehrer linkage is apt.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Apr 20, 2010 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

can't they just wait to see him making appearances at six flags in a couple years or whatever

retired players who aren’t any good anymore do?

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Apr 20, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

rec for you

"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby

by albrtfn on Apr 20, 2010 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

sad part is

i used to be like that. i would go to the game with my parents as an 10, 11, 12 year old like once a year, and was always mystified by the ballots they handed out. once i was explained what they were, i just voted for all the cardinals.

by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 20, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I see no problem with this.

I get that you want to vote for good players especially since it counts but being angry that most people are going to vote without looking at stats isn’t fair since that is what will make most people who watch the game happy.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥

by ClemsonGirl on Apr 20, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

You know, I'm cool with that.

As a 10, 11, or 12 year old, to me, that’s totally what it’s all about. Let ‘em wait for a few years to figure out about advanced metrics…when you’re that age, I think there’s probably something wrong with you if you’re NOT a total homer.

"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols

by splhcb67 on Apr 20, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

the more i look back on it, the more i think it’s okay. i mean, those guys were my heros, yo.

by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 20, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I mean, heck, just look at my avatar.

I freaking LOVED Rex Hudler when he was with the Cards. I’m sure I probably voted for him to get into the All-Star Game.

"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols

by splhcb67 on Apr 20, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

we should pick an unlikely player to ballot-stuff for.

just one player, not a whole team like cubs fans.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 20, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Freese?

"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols

by splhcb67 on Apr 20, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Molina would be my pick

He’s been there a couple of times, but I still don’t think he gets his due.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Apr 20, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Floppy?

Can’t get much more unlikely than a super-sub.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Apr 20, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

also -- to keep in mind... Cholly will be picking the NL bench again.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 20, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think you let the fans pick who they want to see...

And hopefully the coaches reward the deserving guys who got overlooked. Doesn’t always work out that way, but in the end its a combination fanfest/popularity contest/MLB promotion.

by all4tookie on Apr 20, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes.

I know I don’t always vote for the best players. I vote for who I want to see.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥

by ClemsonGirl on Apr 20, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

....that also determines home field in the World Series

Which makes me hope the Red Sox fans vote Big Papi into the game, and Royals fans vote Rick Ankiel into the game, and A’s fans vote Ryan Sweeney into the game. Just stock that AL team with a bunch of popular guys that suck please!

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Apr 20, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

i thought we figured this out last time

the starters are all the popular guys… who get pulled after two innings. then the manager-picked players on the bench win the game.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 20, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

The pitching staffs win and lose the games the last few years

The NL manager needs to stock his staff with the best 4 closers and best 5 starters in the NL this season. FWIW, I’d like to see Tim Lincecum closing the game if possible, even if he has to go two innings.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Apr 20, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

You don't think that Lincecum will be the starter?

I guess Doc Halliday is certianly making a case.

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Apr 20, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

wainwright.

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Apr 20, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

^

.

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Apr 20, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Halladay starts and goes the first two innings

Wainwright throws the next two.

Then it’s up to the manager as to what he wants to do. You could throw Lincecum and Haren for two innings apiece and then hand it off to Jon Broxton or Ubaldo Jimenez to close it out.

You could throw Lincecum/Haren/Jimenez for three innings, and play matchups for the rest of the time. Maybe put Trever Miller and Wagner on the team just to pitch to lefties, while leaving Broxton, Cordero, and K-Rod to pitch to righties.

Either way, the game needs to be managed to win rather than to have everyone play. It’s an honor to be named, but that doesn’t mean you should absolutely get on the field. If they want that, then open substitution should be allowed for the All-Star game.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Apr 20, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

since charlie manuel gets to pick

it will probably be halladay.

/sigh

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Apr 20, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

we have to see

how it shakes out with the respective teams’ rotations – if doc goes 10 innings in the last game before the break, manuel probably doesn’t pitch him at all.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Apr 20, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

And this is where making the thing "count" really fucks things up.

If you’re the Yankees and Phillies, and you’re 5-6 games up in your division around the All-Star break, aren’t you resting CC and Roy just to make sure they get to pitch in the All-Star game? Isn’t having home field for the World Series, which you’re probably the odds on favorite to play in, more important that one start in the middle of the season when you have a 6 game lead already?

It’s a fucking ridiculous argument to have about an exhibition game, but I think the argument must be made.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Apr 21, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

That is actually what I was thinking

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Apr 20, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought the plural of staff

was staves?

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Apr 20, 2010 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

actually, why don't we all stuff for those guys?

You have to vote an AL ballot anyway

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Apr 20, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I used to always vote for bad people in the AL when I was little.

Or people with funny names. Now I vote for good people in both leagues because I like both leagues equally. Although the DH is still stupid.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥

by ClemsonGirl on Apr 20, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's never too early to vote for albert.

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Apr 20, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Okay, well that example holds.

You can read it in any tone you like.

by spants on Apr 20, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

If the ASG matters, Bud should make the managers manage like it matters

The ASG determining home field advantage in the World Series is my least favorite idea in sports. Easily.

"There's a new sheriff in town." - Brendan Ryan

by jd is legend on Apr 20, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Go back to the way it was (alternating)

Let the league that wins interleague play get home field advantage

"There's a new sheriff in town." - Brendan Ryan

by jd is legend on Apr 20, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

That was rough.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥

by ClemsonGirl on Apr 20, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

But at least those are meaningful games

"There's a new sheriff in town." - Brendan Ryan

by jd is legend on Apr 20, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Best record in the regular season gets home field.

"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols

by splhcb67 on Apr 20, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

This one.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥

by ClemsonGirl on Apr 20, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with this.

You can read it in any tone you like.

by spants on Apr 20, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's a good idea.

But then the AL fans would be screaming if a NL team got it, since they believe that they have the superior league.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Apr 20, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

...which they do

"There's a new sheriff in town." - Brendan Ryan

by jd is legend on Apr 20, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

shhh. I'm not telling them that.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Apr 20, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Reasonable ones would realize it's fair.

And I don’t care if unreasonable are upset, they usually are.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥

by ClemsonGirl on Apr 20, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have one word for the AL fans:

Wah.

"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols

by splhcb67 on Apr 20, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who the hell cares?

Maybe they should take back the Brewers and make the leagues balanced again! I get tired of this whining over who has the better league. The NFC was the best league in the NFL for two solid decades and nobody seemed to care that the Super Bowl always ended up being a rout.

For most of the last decade, the NBA’s Western Conference has always had a larger share of the good teams, so it’s harder to win the most games because you have to beat better opponents. David Stern’s take? Shut the fuck up and play basketball you crying ninnies!!!*

*This may or may not be paraphrased.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Apr 20, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Last I checked,

In the last 15 years since interleague play started, an AL team has either won the most games or tied for the most wins 10 of those 15 seasons. What in the hell do they have to bitch about?

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Apr 20, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

whomever has the shortest games in total.

we just spotted them a 20, though.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 20, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

this.

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Apr 20, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

regular season record determines Home field

if the teams are tied, the superior interleague record breaks the tie

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Apr 20, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Guess it depends on why you think a guy should be an all-star

I’m fine with the voting now. I remember one interview Ozzie gave where he talked about how he thought an “all-star” was a guy whom you want to see play. It’s not necessarily a guy who’s had an amazing 3 months. That’s sort of how I see it now, and I guess we have to rely on the managers to pick the rest of the roster to reward those guys who’ve had amazing seasons through June .

"But as the leadoff guy that inning, my job is to get on base and let guys drive me in." - Albert Pujols 8/20/09, base-clogger.

by lightbulb on Apr 20, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess that's the cool part

everyone has their own definition. I would do something like this in my voting: 2/3 current stats, 1/3 experience. others may be more 50/50

he is a bit eccentric

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 20, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

who cares

It’s just an expedition game. People vote in the players they want to see. It’s not like it counts or anything.

by Evilfrog on Apr 20, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love me some

expedition games.

Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.

by Eckstreem on Apr 20, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oregon trail?

Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")

by STLRegalia on Apr 20, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

until the cholera

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 20, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's the dysentery

that you have to watch out for.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Apr 20, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Does anyone else

like to name their characters after the diseases that you think they will die from?

"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby

by albrtfn on Apr 20, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Love that game!

I want the new one so bad.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥

by ClemsonGirl on Apr 20, 2010 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

actually one big problem with this is that sometimes the wrong person ends up on the ballot.

iirc, david freese was the cards nominee at 3b last year, and duncan in LF the year before. certainly freese did not put in any meaningful time at 3B (not that barden or thurston was going to get a lot of votes) and duncan was basically out of a job in 2008 by the time the ASB rolled around. maybe my memory is hazy, but didn’t the same thing happen with manny – he’d been out last year for a month or more and was still getting a bunch of votes?

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Apr 20, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

do you know of any source for past ballots?

/not to collect (really), but to look at online

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Apr 20, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

it doesn’t make much sense how it’s set up

he is a bit eccentric

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 20, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

ooh.

sucks for the reds, though they have a pretty deep rotation.

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Apr 20, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

ah

knew it was him

j/k

he is a bit eccentric

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 20, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's DL until June-ish right?

So the 50 games start as soon as he’s off?

"But as the leadoff guy that inning, my job is to get on base and let guys drive me in." - Albert Pujols 8/20/09, base-clogger.

by lightbulb on Apr 20, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep.

Unless the Reds can get creative with activation.

You can read it in any tone you like.

by spants on Apr 20, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

that'd be nice

unless he sucks now

he is a bit eccentric

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 20, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

would they call up chappy?

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 20, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

ooooo

I hope so, he’s on one of my fantasy teams

NOCAMFT

he is a bit eccentric

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 20, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

mlbtr

says he serves it while on the dl

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Apr 20, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

that makes no sense

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Apr 20, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Volquez is semi-big

true/false

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 20, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, to me, he'd be more on the "rather big" side of things,

but I suppose not so much to the average fan.

"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols

by splhcb67 on Apr 20, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'd say true

Chuck Norris doesn't need a bat.

he just roundhouse kicks the ball out of the park.

by bearcatcardfan on Apr 20, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would think true.

I’ve heard of him but I don’t know a whole, whole lot about him. Pretty much my definition of semi-big.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥

by ClemsonGirl on Apr 20, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

2008 Big, 2009-2010 Semi-Big

"But as the leadoff guy that inning, my job is to get on base and let guys drive me in." - Albert Pujols 8/20/09, base-clogger.

by lightbulb on Apr 20, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

true

due to hamilton trade

Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")

by STLRegalia on Apr 20, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

supposedly out until fall

“Sports Illustrated’s Jon Heyman reports the identity of the PED positive: It’s Edinson Volquez of the Cincinnati Reds. Volquez will be suspended for 50 games. Of course, he’s already out at least until the fall recovering from Tommy John surgery.”

by madridbend on Apr 20, 2010 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good

I like it when bad things happen to teams in our division.

Think; It's not illegal yet.

by azruavatar on Apr 20, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

haha

rec.

it would have been more fun if it was zambrano though.

by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 20, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

apparently...

he can serve his 50 games while on the DL. he just won’t get paid.

by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 20, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is messed up.

Until they change that loophole, it’s still in a player’s interests use PEDs while battling a long recovery. That is, if we believe that PEDs help you heal faster.

You can read it in any tone you like.

by spants on Apr 20, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

PEDs do help you heal faster

They also help you hit more home runs, run faster, and throw a ball faster. If you sue them correctly.

by Evilfrog on Apr 20, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

that freud was a smart guy

Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")

by STLRegalia on Apr 20, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

he was a fart smeller.

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Apr 20, 2010 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

It would be to a player's advantage

The key is to make sure you get caught at the right time so your suspension doesn’t overlap with your return date.

by olddomination on Apr 20, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

awww.
"Absolutely," Molina said, as Wainwright recalled later the next day. "I’ll be there for you. I wouldn’t even think twice about it."

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 20, 2010 3:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Either that

or someone needs to photoshop Yadi and Waino’s heads into the title screen of Friends.

"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols

by splhcb67 on Apr 20, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Preferably on the bodies of Aniston and Cox

for maximum comedic effect.

"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols

by splhcb67 on Apr 20, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's the one.

and, haha, I thought I had a link in there, but I didn’t. that’s 10@10, re: Molina catching Waino’s game.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 20, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's awesome

they could live across the hall from Boog and Bombs

"There's a lot of things we say that don't make sense to our viewers. Okay, primarily me." ~Al Hrabosky~

by YesWeOquendo on Apr 20, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

we are not going to discuss U.N.G.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 20, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh please

i’m sure they practice safe man stewing

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 20, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

nice

"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby

by albrtfn on Apr 20, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rec

"There's a new sheriff in town." - Brendan Ryan

by jd is legend on Apr 20, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

more 10@10 stuff

because they’re all different topics.

Said Matheny: "Some pretty critical people [in the pitching staff] noticed [Anderson’s] improvements."

…does that mean he passes the Carp test? oooh.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 20, 2010 3:15 PM EDT reply actions  

calling the game
Asked Sunday night how many of the 418 pitches made on Saturday and Sunday that Molina called, Wainwright said: "High 300s. We trust him a lot. He’s good at that. That’s one of his strong points is calling a great game."

this is why I mistrust the averaged-out discussions on how much catchers impact the game. Yadi simply has more responsibilities than other catchers. that’s not the first quote out there saying the same thing.

that’s all from 10@10, which will now cause a recursive time-space anomaly, because Goold linked to this entry.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 20, 2010 3:22 PM EDT reply actions  

I prefer

hooking and Jabbing over hacking and slashing. Slice and dicing is good too. I know some here pron to biting and stabbing. I wont name names.

But try not to chase those balls out of the zone.

by Evilfrog on Apr 20, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

if this were "chasing and hacking"

it would be a proper horror film.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 20, 2010 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Chasing and Hacking LOBsters from Space

isn’t that an old B movie?

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Apr 20, 2010 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

only if the LOBsters are chasing and hacking

and even then…
they’d be more snapping and pinching, wouldn’t they?

then our Earth shellfish destroy their immune systems.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 20, 2010 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

so why can't he just call the game from the bench

tonight when anderson is starting?

"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby

by albrtfn on Apr 20, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

anderson shakes off yadi

hilarity ensues. now all we need is the ump who hates slow games.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Apr 20, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

write that down for the sitcom

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 20, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

How does this lboros post

have only 2 recs? Get with it VEB.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Apr 20, 2010 3:40 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

we were busy with the schadenfreude

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 20, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I read it on my phone first.

Forgot to rec when I got to my computer.

P.S. Why no recs for mobile site?

You can read it in any tone you like.

by spants on Apr 20, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

something to do

with the no live update?

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Apr 20, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Roku owners - mlb.tv channel beta testing available

For those VEB’ers who own a Roku and have an mlb.tv subscription, I received an email that beta testing of this season’s mlb.tv channel is available. I watched last night’s finish this morning and, after the usual setup hiccups, it worked fairly well. Probably going to see some buffering issues during the live game though.

Here is a link to instructions on how to obtain the beta testing channel on the Roku

http://forums.roku.com/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=27361&start=30#p170028

by ubeddie on Apr 20, 2010 3:54 PM EDT reply actions  

I've been using a hacked Apple TV with Boxee and it's been butter

Been watching Saturday games with the proxy and everything. The boxee interface is way nicer than the MLB.com experience and even remembers my password, which the .com experience strangely doesn’t do. 720p baseball for 90 bucks a year. Not bad at all.

by cloistermaximus on Apr 20, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Meh

I liked it a lot when I first got it a year or two ago, but I think there a better/cheaper options out there now. My biggest gripe is that it can’t handle MKV files, which means all my 720p-1080p downloaded content has to be transcoded, which sucks. Other than that it’s nice. I wouldn’t recommend it though.

by cloistermaximus on Apr 20, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

There's less issues with live games

than there are with archived games, actually, because the live game feeds go straight out rather than having to search through a database for the archives.

Overall, this is an awesome setup.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Apr 20, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

RR

i think we were talking about this yesterday, but mlb has rescinded the cliff lee suspension.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Apr 20, 2010 4:44 PM EDT reply actions  

I heard that on my way back from lunch....

any explanation behind it?

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Apr 20, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

believe i read it at d'backs site

think they went through video of the game and determined he was that wild throughout, and the trainer testified about the injuries that caused the poor mechanics leading to the wildness.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Apr 20, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

There was just a blurb on XM

MLB dropped the suspension, but no explanation.
Thanks

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Apr 20, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

They realized who they were messing with.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥

by ClemsonGirl on Apr 20, 2010 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

A bit off topic:

did anyone ever find out what was with the Cubs and Mets wearing 42 after Jackie Robinson day?

"There's a lot of things we say that don't make sense to our viewers. Okay, primarily me." ~Al Hrabosky~

by YesWeOquendo on Apr 20, 2010 4:51 PM EDT reply actions  

no both teams played on april 15

i’ve been wondering this myself. maybe we should tweet leach?

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Apr 20, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Mets still coopting Brooklyn Dodgers history?

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

by TBender on Apr 20, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

that was my guess

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 20, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

MLB turning into no-fun league too?

[fake blockquote]
A league-wide ban reissued in a memo Friday reminded managers and coaches that they are only allowed to wear jerseys and outerwear that are approved by the league.
That means no Rays fleece hoodie as a trademark top layer for Maddon — the coolest manager in the majors who just doesn’t want to be the coldest.
Say, when did the fashion police who extract the fun from the NFL also start regulating our national past time? What’s next? No more big socks for Barry Zito, Juan Pierre and Brendan Ryan because all players must show the same amount of calf?

an exaggeration as usual for that last paragraph, but it’s something to think about…. will the socks be next?!

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 20, 2010 4:57 PM EDT reply actions  

The socks are safe.

There’s a history there. In fact, the socks have MOST of baseball history behind them.

You can read it in any tone you like.

by spants on Apr 20, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Saw this too

Think it’s silly. I wish managers still could wear full suits and dress hats. that’d be great.

by LandSickness on Apr 20, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Business appreciation day!

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Apr 20, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought I told him to shave those sideburns.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Apr 20, 2010 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Except they never really did wear suits.

Managers have always dressed in uniform.

You can read it in any tone you like.

by spants on Apr 20, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

I was just looking at photos of him. Cool.

by LandSickness on Apr 20, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

(wo)man I was just about

to post a sweet connie mack pic and you ruined it for me!

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Apr 20, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

pfft. just post it!

You can read it in any tone you like.

by spants on Apr 20, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure he never wore anything but a suit.

I’d have to check this, but I don’t think he ever wore a uniform, and he was the only one.

"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols

by splhcb67 on Apr 20, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

He wore a uni when he was a player-manager with the Pirates.

And I think he only wore the suit when he managed his third team, the Athletics. Of course, he managed them FOREVER, so he wore a suit nearly all the damn time.

You can read it in any tone you like.

by spants on Apr 20, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

right

historically, we started with player-managers and evolved toward specialized managers, right?

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Apr 20, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is what I found out when I was looking it up

That’s why there aren’t many suit-wearing managers

by LandSickness on Apr 20, 2010 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

One More

that comes to mind – Burt Shotton of the Dodgers. Source: “Bums”, by Peter Golenbock, which also has a pic of Shotton in shirt sleeves and a Brooklyn cap.

George Carlin, of course, noted in his famous baseball vs. football routine that baseball is the only sport where the coaches and managers wear the same uniform as the players. “Can you imagine Bill Parcells wearing that Giants uniform?” he asked.

by Jmodene on Apr 20, 2010 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Indeed.

You can read it in any tone you like.

by spants on Apr 20, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

My $0.02

Managers having to wear the full team uniform is incredibly stupid. TLR looks ridiculous with his beer-gut and mullet, wearing a baseball uni, running out to the mound. Older guys like Cox and Piniella just look like somebody’s made their barmy old grandfather dress up for hallowe’en. It’s downright creepy.

Football (soccer) managers generally wear suits (often with a team-branded lapel or pocket insignia, or a tie) and coats, and quite often look pretty sharp (even the older guys). Some of the younger guys wear a tracksuit, but these are usually guys in their early 40s etc. Given that most mlb managers and coaches are in their 50s or 60s, and most are badly out of shape, letting them wear more sophisticated clothing would be much more sensible, and (at least IMO) make baseball look less stupid. It’s bad enough that most teams have a 1B or DH who’s grossly overweight without having a bunch of pudgy old men in the dugout dressed like children at a little league game.

Compare and contrast:
Jose Mourinho

Alex Ferguson

Giovanni Trapattoni

Tony La Russa

Bobby Cox

Sweet Lou

If I was an umpire and a red-faced grandpa with skinny uniform trousers and his gut hanging over his belt was balling me out, I’d struggle not to burst out laughing, tbh.

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Apr 21, 2010 7:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

so you're saying if they were hotmakers, it would be okay

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 21, 2010 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's part of the rules.

I don’t think it will ever change. Still, LaRussa has a beer gut? I’d say he’s pretty fit for an old dude. And Joe Girardi looks like he could still play.

You can read it in any tone you like.

by spants on Apr 21, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Girardi only retired about 6 years ago, though, didn't he?

I can’t find any pictures, but for a 50-some year old guy, I’d say TLR looks overweight. I realise that middle-aged guys tend to come somewhat more rotund in the US than they do here and the mlb uniforms are not flattering on slightly pudgy middle-aged guys, so, you know, he doesn’t look too bad, but he’s hardly got the build of an athlete.

I guess he doesn’t look too bad

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Apr 21, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure he still lifts weights, too.

Now, one dude on the staff that DOES NOT belong in a uniform is Jose Oquendo. Yeesh.

Also, Dennys Reyes.

You can read it in any tone you like.

by spants on Apr 21, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think any of those soccer coaches would look bad in a baseball uniform though.

Maybe Ferguson.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥

by ClemsonGirl on Apr 21, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

is there a sticky anywhere ...

that talks about getting around blackouts on MLB.TV? i will soon be unable to get a dish and i’m going to be screwed. none of the iowa cable companies carry FSMW and at&t u-verse is not it iowa either. to make things worse, i’m pretty sure that cards games will be blacked out for me on MLB.TV. i have heard stuff about proxies but never used them for MLB.TV.

by QuadCitiesCardsFan on Apr 20, 2010 5:13 PM EDT reply actions  

its true ... i live in davenport, ia and this is the mlb.tv blackout list!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Chicago White Sox
Milwaukee Brewers
Chicago Cubs
St. Louis Cardinals
Kansas City Royals
Minnesota Twins

Holy SHIT!!

This is the list from my work pc, 30miles north of where i live …
Chicago White Sox
Chicago Cubs
Cincinnati Reds

So ridiculous …. I live like 5 hours away.

by QuadCitiesCardsFan on Apr 20, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

wait wait wait

so 30 miles north of where you live is closer to milwaukee and minnesota but they both lose the blackouts. i don’t really know what’s up with the royals being randomly thrown in there though. or the reds being randomly thrown in there from your work.

by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 20, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why are the reds blacked out

in NE Iowa????

"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby

by albrtfn on Apr 20, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ties to Cedar Rapids?

Used to be (might still be) a Reds affiliate there in the Midwest League.

Just guessing.

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

by TBender on Apr 20, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

weak

Unless there is Reds baseball on television there, I would think that it wouldn’t be blacked out though

"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby

by albrtfn on Apr 20, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes

that is the only justification for blacking out games that makes any damn sense—that there is competition with TV affiliates that can broadcast those games. Even then, it’s iffy when I’m paying for MLB tv, and I can’t watch a cardinals astros game because a cable channel is carrying THAT game. I’m not going to buy cable to watch 12 games a year.

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Apr 20, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

So much agreeing on the cable part

by LandSickness on Apr 20, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

if you buy mlb.tv, you get access to GD audio right?

I listen to Shannon every stinking game. If I can do it for 162, surely you can do it for 12 or so.
Granted, I would still be pissed if I were you, getting blacked out half the time

"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby

by albrtfn on Apr 20, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, or you can go to a sports bar or whatever. I also have xm in my car

it’s more the principle of the thing than anything else.

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Apr 20, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

This rant also

applies to Fox Saturdays.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Apr 20, 2010 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah,

it’s all bud’s fault

"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby

by albrtfn on Apr 20, 2010 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

why is asia blacked out?

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Apr 20, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

that one took me awhile

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Apr 20, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

flim has a fanpost

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Apr 20, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks ...

Has anyone tried the MLB.TV HD on a widescreen TV? How’s it look?

by QuadCitiesCardsFan on Apr 20, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Depends on the device you play it though

But it’s in-between a standard broadcast and high-def broadcast generally. Not quite 720p, but pretty close. It can get a little chunky at times, but it’s worth the cost in my opinion.

by cloistermaximus on Apr 20, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

PEDS...im not one to speculate

but i was thinking today why hasn’t more people assumed Papi did them? Compare his MIn #s to the middle of Boston, to now….clear spike, slear regression. When can you say though well mayeb someone just figured it out like and then got old? Just curious..

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/5909/career;ylt=AmHiRdKpxQnNawW5cjYTdCFCLcF

This guys so good(Pujols) He should be illegal-Pirates announcers

by punchinjudy on Apr 20, 2010 5:29 PM EDT reply actions  

last year he was named in a leak

as one of the players that tested positive

"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby

by albrtfn on Apr 20, 2010 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep

Manny and Papi were announced at the same time

by LandSickness on Apr 20, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I totally forgot about that.

You can read it in any tone you like.

by spants on Apr 20, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

That was the

100 player list that was never confirmed. It just went away.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Apr 20, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I haven't

I bring it up regularly to my good friend who happens to be a diehard Sawx fan. I keep asking for my 2004 World Series back.

Don't ping my cheese with your bandwidth.

by RosevilleRedbird on Apr 20, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

But Ryan Franklin is on the roster.

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Apr 20, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

He wasn't in 2004.

or 2006 for that matter.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Apr 20, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

If we win this year... (note the strong counterfactual there)

you’re opening yourself up to the same criticism.

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Apr 20, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Except

Franklin is just barely hanging on with one finger to that proverbial cliff.

"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby

by albrtfn on Apr 20, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Past user,

the allegations were that they were using during that series. arod last year is more of taint. No suspension after he was outted, and admitted as much, but the Yanks get to carry on like nothing happened.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Apr 20, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have an in-law who's a diehard

Yankee fan, and the day Papi and Manny’s names showed up on that list was maybe the happiest day of his life. I kinda know how I feel since I’ve developed such a strong dislike for the Red Sox as well.

by MdRedbirdFreak on Apr 20, 2010 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think there are people who make that assumption.

Whether he used PEDs or not, dude fell off a cliff.

You can read it in any tone you like.

by spants on Apr 20, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah my issue wasnt about world series as above

just that it seems obvious by the numbers, but it’s quiet…

This guys so good(Pujols) He should be illegal-Pirates announcers

by punchinjudy on Apr 20, 2010 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I feel vindicated, since

I’ve been saying for years that Papi’s career would go the way of Mo Vaughn’s.

by MdRedbirdFreak on Apr 20, 2010 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I kinda assumed when

he was the one complaining about the league not providing Spanish speaking players with enough help to figure out the rules.

Of course, I also thought he should have been griping at the union for that help, not the league.

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

by TBender on Apr 20, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

everyone assumes Ortiz did them because he tested positive for them in 2003.

Google “David Ortiz and steroids” and you’ll get a million hits. The Boston papers destroyed him. Shit, even Bill Simmons wrote an article about it.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Apr 20, 2010 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes, but c'mon

story i heard was ortiz was a victim of tainted steam in the sauna at gold’s gym.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Apr 20, 2010 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ever been in a men's steam room, Papi?

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

by TBender on Apr 20, 2010 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

hey, he slipped in the sauna

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Apr 20, 2010 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

in case anyone was worried about CJ

he’s back.

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Apr 20, 2010 5:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Glad to see our minor leaguers

are eating healthy.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Apr 20, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

They had a whole thing

at the start of spring training about eating healthy. But you can’t force people to eat certain things. (unless they are in prison or boot camp.)

by Evilfrog on Apr 20, 2010 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe he's not feeling well because he ordered the entire dollar menu.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥

by ClemsonGirl on Apr 20, 2010 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

i am addicted to finger physics

20% battery?

dismiss.

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Apr 20, 2010 6:04 PM EDT reply actions  

bryan anderson night??

YES!

"The outfield is deep and playing him straight-away, and the infield is the same, except first, second, third, and short are playing him to pull."
-Mike Shannon

by tehzachatak on Apr 20, 2010 6:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Without Having Read...

… the other 683 posts first, I’ll just say that it’s likely to be Craig that goes down if Jay is called up, not Stavi. Gordon at the P-D seemed to be setting the stage for such a move in his chat this week, when he said twice that “Craig looks lost and needs AB’s at Memphis”, or words to that effect. Pretty obvious what the Cards will do, at least from that point of view.

And they may not be wrong in doing so – Craig still has potential as a fulltime player, possibly as soon as next season if we decide we can’t afford to bring Ryan Ludwick back; Stavinoha will probably never be more than what he is right now – a bench player of some usefulness.

This brings up the age-old debate, of course, of which is better for a young player’s development – regular play in the minors, or exposure to the big leagues even if he’s only getting a handful of AB’s a week.

by Jmodene on Apr 20, 2010 6:50 PM EDT reply actions  

No offense

but please never use Jeff Gordon to help prove a point.

by Mister Eff on Apr 20, 2010 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Agreed.

I’m a sucker for articles about the Cardinals. I’ll read almost anything anyone writes, even if I suspect it’s similar to what I’ve already read. But I’ve successfully weaned myself off Jeff Gordon. Haven’t read a word he’s written for years.

by MdRedbirdFreak on Apr 20, 2010 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think that's a bannable offense, no?

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Apr 20, 2010 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is just not true.
Craig looks lost and needs AB’s at Memphis

by reading the other 683 posts, you would have seen that his LD rate is insane, as is his low BABIP. Craig is anything but “lost” as a hitter.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Apr 20, 2010 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

they are not going to demote their minor league player of the year

for performing well.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Apr 20, 2010 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

No offense taken

But I wasn’t using him to prove a point; I was using his quote to remind us that the Cards aren’t above using the media to “prepare” the fans for certain moves, and I suspect the sending down of Craig – to be replaced by the red-hot/lefty hitting Jay – is imminent.

It just occurred to me that the move could happen when we return from the home stand; supposedly, LaRue is due to come off the DL when we come home, which means Anderson goes back down and we’re short that lefty bat on the bench – so it could be that when LaRue is activated and Anderson goes down, Craig goes with him and Jay comes up to be the lefty bat on the bench.

by Jmodene on Apr 20, 2010 6:55 PM EDT reply actions  

If they were using the media to set up the public,

it wouldn’t be Jeff Gordon.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Apr 20, 2010 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

didn't they use the media

to set up bringing anderson up and sending pags down? Do you really think they would need to use the media to prep sending a no name bench player who hasn’t done anything in the majors down and bringing a no name bench player who hasn’t done anything in the majors up? They don’t need to do that. No one in st. louis besides VEB cares. And even a lot of us would be ok with sending Craig down to get more ABs and bring Jay up who is a lefty off the bench.

by Evilfrog on Apr 20, 2010 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd be fine with sending Craig down for Jay

Craig’s more tradeable (and more valuable to us, long term) if he has less service time. He’s not playing right now, and Jay is a much better defender (and left-handed, which is useful on a virtually all-righty bench). That makes Stav the primary right-handed OF pinch hitter (behind Mather, I suppose, who can actually field a position). If Jay/Mather are taking Craig’s starts (once every ten days) I don’t see a huge drop-off, as both as better defenders and Jay may hit equally well against RHP.

If Stavinoha is taking the majority of the RH pinch-hits in late innings that might’ve gone to Craig, that’s not really a big issue either. Craig’s started two games and had 4 or 5 ABs in that 20-inning affair, if you give those to Mather/Jay that means you’re only giving 2 or 3 PH PAs in a fortnight or so extra to Stavinoha. Stav’s projected to be a worse hitter than Craig, but over a few occasional PH opportunities, the difference is likely to be (at worst) a couple of runs over the course of a season.

I’d rather keep Craig on the roster, personally, but as long as Stav is the outfielder-of-last-resort, and Craig’s appearances go primarily to Jay and Mather, I don’t think we lose a great deal by sending him down. Apathy is probably a reasonable response unless and until guys like Stavinoha or Robinson are getting significant playing time ahead of better players.

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Apr 21, 2010 7:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'd venture to say that him hitting .400 in may at the MLB level while spot starting

while accruing an extra month of service time would be far more important to a team looking to deal for him than hitting .400 in Memphis in that same time period.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Apr 21, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes

but also somewhat less likely. If he gets another 16 PAs (or whatever) in May and is still sub-Mendoza (which is likely, unless he gets really lucky), if anything I’d think that’d hurt his trade value. It’s also moving him (potentially, depending on how other things shake down) a year closer to free agency, which would really depress his value.

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Apr 22, 2010 5:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why not?

I understand some of us have doubts about Gordon’s bona fides, but the fact is he’s still a regular writer in the town’s only print newspaper and as such has a certain influence on the general public. Remember, we’re not the general public; not exactly.

by Jmodene on Apr 20, 2010 6:59 PM EDT reply actions  

the reply button is your friend.

The guy is a hockey writer, with Cards tidbits. Strauss is more credible, fwiw.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Apr 20, 2010 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

fixed

Strauss is more credible, fwiw
If they were using the media to set up the public

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 20, 2010 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whoops -

Just saw Bernie’s “extra points”, and he also speculates about a Craig-down/Jay-up scenario.

http://interact.stltoday.com/blogzone/bernies-extra-points/bernies-extra-points/bernies-5-minutes/2010/04/tuesday-bernie-bytes-bullpen-bradford-bits/comment-page-1/#comment-9832

I’m convinced, now – the Cards are indeed leaking the possibility to the P-D. I wonder if the Globe-Democrat is also joining in the speculation.

by Jmodene on Apr 20, 2010 7:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Bernie saying

“we wonder” is a far cry from sources say it is being considered.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Apr 20, 2010 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

We do wonder

if the front office would be dumb enough to demote a guy who is stinging the shit out of the ball and hitting into crappy luck.

by Mister Eff on Apr 20, 2010 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why assume it's because of that?

seems more likely to assume that they’re worried about getting him enough at bats. And they don’t care whether Stav gets at-bats because, unlike Craig, he has no real future with the club.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Apr 20, 2010 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

so Craig has a future with us, therefore he won't get to play....?

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 20, 2010 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm sure you're not unfamiliar with....

the common occurrence that young players who have futures in an organization, but are currently blocked from getting a lot of playing time, are kept in the minors to get at-bats, even if they don’t “need” them, while comparatively worse players fill the end of the major league bench. Indeed, this happens all the fricking time.

Craig’s playing time problem isn’t the presence of Stav, it’s the presence of Holliday and Ludwick.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Apr 20, 2010 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

he wasn't kept in the minors, though

i know what you are saying, but i think there’s a difference between that and a “demotion”

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Apr 20, 2010 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

they could have brought him up originally because...

they wanted to reward him for his performance in spring training and for him to get a taste of the big leagues, even he wasn’t going to stay up all year.

Or they could have thought there’d be the opportunity for more at-bats, but that opportunity just hasn’t materialized.

Or they could have prepared all these guys and told them there’d be a shuttle between Memphis and St. Louis and that hot players would get shuffled. Who knows?

by Willie McGee's Twin on Apr 20, 2010 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes

i guess the main point is, if the club really wanted to bring jay up (as opposed to thinking they really want to send someone down), then why on earth is craig being mentioned rather than stav? i just disagree with this talk about craig looking lost at the plate and needing to go down to memphis to get it together.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Apr 20, 2010 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because if the last OF on the bench (Craig if Stav is sent down, Stav if Craig is sent down) is getting about 5 plate appearances a week

it almost might as well be the guy who has little future as a major leaguer. The difference between Craig and Stav over a couple of isolated plate appearances is pretty small, and might to some extent be mitigated by the fact that we now have an awesome fielder (Jay) on the bench to bring in late in close games.

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Apr 21, 2010 7:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

i just don't see who jay would be a defensive replacement for

yes, it should be holliday, but that’s not going to start happening.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Apr 21, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I suppose that's a fair comment

he’s a better glove than Ludwick, I’d have thought.

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Apr 22, 2010 5:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

FWIW

I agree with Willie McGee! (oh, that scanned!)

If Craig’s playing barely once a week, and we have Mather (decent RH bat), Floppy (decent switcheroo) and Jay (possibly competent LH bat) on the bench, with Stav as the OF/PH-of-last-resort, I see no harm in getting Craig some extra playing time in Memphis.

Also, there may be a concerted effort (esp. now Ludwick is stinging the shit out of the ball) to get Craig some chances in RF. If Luddy’s to be traded in the off-season (hopefully after a .800+ OPS year) it’d be nice to know we have a guy who can at least make some sort of fist of playing RF. Craig only moved to the OF in the middle of last year and AFAIK didn’t really play RF at all for the Redbirds (I think Shorey and a couple of other guys were making most of the starts there), so the questions over his arm and reactions/instincts in right remain somewhat unanswered.

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Apr 21, 2010 7:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

just remarking on the catch-22ness of it.

ah, the old days, when you’d just wait for major leaguers to break their legs

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 20, 2010 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Put it this way...

If Holliday/Ludwick were to go on the DL tomorrow (GOB forbid), I’d bet Craig would start, not Stav.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Apr 20, 2010 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

of course

because stav hasn’t started a game yet this year. Craig has.

by Evilfrog on Apr 20, 2010 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

proof

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 20, 2010 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

wouldn't jay fall into the same trap?

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Apr 20, 2010 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's a trap!!!

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 20, 2010 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

can a player refuse to be called up?

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Apr 20, 2010 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's a tarp

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Apr 20, 2010 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

run, vince, run

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Apr 20, 2010 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

This amuses me

and yet, makes me sad.

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

by TBender on Apr 20, 2010 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

not necessarily...

Craig may be seen as a future starter (e.g, as a replacement for Ludwick), while Jay is not. If Jay’s ceiling is “4th outfielder,” at least in the Org.‘s opinion, then why care if he’s not getting regular PT.

Also, there may be more PT available for Jay since he’s LH (Craig is not), is an able defensive replacement (Craig is not), and is a PR option (again, Craig is not).

by Willie McGee's Twin on Apr 20, 2010 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

At what point does getting experience

with the big club outweigh getting at bats in Memphis?

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Apr 20, 2010 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's a good question...

But in Craig’s, it’s not obvious either way. The Org. clearly values him as a player (again, they named him POY last year) and they want the best Cards team now and in the future. I’m prepared to defer to them on this as they know the individuals involved better.

But I’m certainly not looking forward to all the forthcoming mindless drivel about how LaDunc and/or Mo think Stav is “better” than Craig, merely because Stav stays on the roster and Craig gets sent down.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Apr 20, 2010 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

but it feels good

to think, “i know craig is better than stav, and tony and mo don’t, so therefore i know more than tony and mo” – i tell myself that every day, and find that my self-esteem has soared to new heights since i began.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Apr 20, 2010 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

The budget outlook for the

near future tells me this is Luddy’s last year as a Cardinal. They might be auditioning Craig and Jay for the RF job in 2011. The 2 of them could bounce back and forth several times this year.

by MdRedbirdFreak on Apr 20, 2010 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

how much?

I mean, if he did, what would be a reasonable price?

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 20, 2010 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

only league minimum would save him at this point

unless lance lynn or otto does by replacing penny

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Apr 20, 2010 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

bite your tongue

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 20, 2010 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

however, i believe in otto

does that help?

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Apr 20, 2010 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

i feel weird giving a german nickname to an italian guy

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 20, 2010 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's hitler's birthday

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Apr 21, 2010 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

this is probably true

with raises to waino and yadi

waino days of on the cheap are quickly winding down

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Apr 20, 2010 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

what he's making this year

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Apr 20, 2010 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

hmmm.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 20, 2010 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mark my words...!

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 20, 2010 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Craig/Jay could be a pretty competent platoon, I think

with Mather as backup and occasional spot starter. Henley might also be ready for some action next year (although I think one of Henley and Jay will be fairly redundant). It’s quite possible the dropoff from Ludwick would be less than a win, and, given that it’ll cost us a pretty penny ($7m+?) to keep him next year, dealing him for a B or B+ prospect arm might be a pretty smart move.

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Apr 21, 2010 7:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

not sure who jay would be a late-inning defensive replacement for

but if the cards want to get something for him, seems best to just let him keep raking in AAA.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Apr 20, 2010 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

how is jay a PR move?

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Apr 20, 2010 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

well, he'd be a better pinch-runner than craig i guess

but mather would still be option 1

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Apr 20, 2010 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

ah

“pinch runner”

i read that as “sending down craig for jay would be a good public relations move”

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Apr 20, 2010 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jay stole 20 bags last year in AAA

I think it’s probable he’s a better runner than Bombs, although the Bomby one’s success rate in the minors is pretty nice.

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Apr 21, 2010 7:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, i have no idea how good a baserunner jay is, stolen bases aside

and we haven’t really seen enough of bombs, but brock said bombs was a terrific baserunner

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Apr 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

His minor league SB/CS ratio at least would bear that out

he doesn’t steal much but he basically gets caught out on the bases NEVER. Those sort of guys (IMO) are more valuable than the guys who swipe 20 bags a year but get thrown out 10 times.

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Apr 22, 2010 5:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

You could also apply all the criteria you just mentioned

to Nick Stavinoha. And Craig is the better player overall. So why would we send Craig down instead of Stav again?

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Apr 21, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Is it April already?

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Apr 20, 2010 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

didn't they run that last month?

including all our lame jokes… hahahha

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 20, 2010 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

FSM lineup

or: the anti-CJ BEATTY twitter

skip ludwick pujols holliday rasmus freese anderson-c ryan lohse

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 20, 2010 7:12 PM EDT reply actions  

That lineup has the potential

to leave 15 on base.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Apr 20, 2010 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

i can't wait!

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 20, 2010 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

the obvious solution

to having fewer left on is to make outs on the basepaths.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Apr 20, 2010 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

i read that as "make out"

I was like, whoa, we don’t bring the man stew on the field like that

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 20, 2010 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's another discussion

about how ortiz was tainted…or was that a french tennis player?

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Apr 20, 2010 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh yeah, it was that tennis guy.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 20, 2010 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

rec'd for truth

"Did you just grow a mustache?"
"While SPINNING."

by IHeartBoog on Apr 20, 2010 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mistake

Ordering a pizza for dinner on 4/20

"There's a new sheriff in town." - Brendan Ryan

by jd is legend on Apr 20, 2010 7:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Dude

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

by TBender on Apr 20, 2010 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't partake in the holiday

75 minute wait time!

"There's a new sheriff in town." - Brendan Ryan

by jd is legend on Apr 20, 2010 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I will mull this over.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Apr 20, 2010 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's probably what it's going to be for the next two weeks straight here.

Finals week.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥

by ClemsonGirl on Apr 20, 2010 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is why I am eating a Lean Cuisine.

Also because I have no money for food left after I bought my Mather jersey.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥

by ClemsonGirl on Apr 20, 2010 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

never order pizza on hitler's birthday, jd

now you know.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Apr 20, 2010 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

why aren't the mets and cubs wearing 42 today?

anybody know?

big z down 2-0 in third.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Apr 20, 2010 8:07 PM EDT reply actions  

so that's how Big Z is doing... huh.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 20, 2010 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

They should move him to closer.

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

by TBender on Apr 20, 2010 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

he walked the pitcher and then gave up a triple to reyes...

he’s in mid-season form

"I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out." Bill Hicks

by muidomi84 on Apr 20, 2010 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

incoming violent altercation?

let’s hope so

Fat Miles > Hoffman!?! WTF?!??

by kalmavet on Apr 20, 2010 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

hide, little gatorade machines

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 20, 2010 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

haha yeah

said violent altercation is most likely to occur against an inanimate object

Fat Miles > Hoffman!?! WTF?!??

by kalmavet on Apr 20, 2010 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

people who are still living in 2006 and think that guys like Zambrano and Oswalt are still elite fantasy pitchers are nice to have in your league.

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Apr 21, 2010 7:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Live look in at Houston
PLENTY of good seats available

Late arriving crowd tonight.

Florida already up 2-0. 1st 4 batters have reached.

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

by TBender on Apr 20, 2010 8:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Strikethrough fail

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

by TBender on Apr 20, 2010 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

strike through fail

is here.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Apr 20, 2010 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh no...

I’d say that was an unqualified success

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

by TBender on Apr 20, 2010 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

They showed plenty of "crowd" shots

Wow. Whole field level sections empty.

I’m going to have no problem getting tickets this year.

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

by TBender on Apr 20, 2010 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

somebody had the percentage drop for Houston

lots of other stadiums.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 20, 2010 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rockies lose their president

and to honor him, they pour it on v. the Natinals – 10-0 in the third

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Apr 20, 2010 8:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Well, Cubs announcers were trying their damnedest to jinx Pelfrey by saying 'no hitter' repeatedly in the 5th.

And it worked. Fontenot w/ a hit. F’ing Cubs announcers. The Mets saves leader deserves better.

And anyone know if Stoner is still up? It is his day after all.

I once shot a man just to see him die...then I got distracted and missed it.

by TheDuke32 on Apr 20, 2010 8:24 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

i noticed that...

they must have said “no hitter” a dozen times in 5 minute span

"I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out." Bill Hicks

by muidomi84 on Apr 20, 2010 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hello, Michael Cuddyer

Still odd to see the Twins playing outdoors.

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

by TBender on Apr 20, 2010 8:27 PM EDT reply actions  

think it's odd now

wait til a playoff game gets snowed out

by nota bene on Apr 20, 2010 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

that old thread

with someone expiring of exposure in the outfield…. that was a good one.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 20, 2010 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

heh heh heh

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Apr 20, 2010 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

he could just place the thickburger on that natural shelf a few inches under his chin...

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 20, 2010 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm thinking this might be the year Pinella pulls an Elia.

>Pitcher Change: Felipe Lopez replaces Ryan Franklin, batting 7th, replacing third baseman Felipe Lopez

by TBender on Apr 20, 2010 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

i was watching that game

and he still would not have gotten a triple. the mets did not even hold him on first after he singled in his second at-bat, because soriano wasn’t going anywhere. he’s limping all over the field.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Apr 20, 2010 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

awwww, wee Skip watching the #62 game

his parents taped it.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 20, 2010 8:35 PM EDT reply actions  

this early....

its already time to fill out all star ballots.

"I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out." Bill Hicks

by muidomi84 on Apr 20, 2010 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

and yes i know it was already talked about...

"I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out." Bill Hicks

by muidomi84 on Apr 20, 2010 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

this is when it's most fun

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Apr 20, 2010 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

we have pre-game

gammmeee threaaad.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 20, 2010 9:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Carp takes a shot at Cal

DELAYING HIS AIRTIME. he has places to be.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 20, 2010 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Carp was smiling.

Be afraid, Cal.

I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.

by The Continental on Apr 20, 2010 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

he says they "have fun"

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 20, 2010 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

he approves of the gigantor Penny

….brings a lot of comedy to the group??

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 20, 2010 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Carp and Tony going through lineup with Lohse.

sitting on the luggage….

it’s “Andy”, by the way. for Mr. Anderson.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 20, 2010 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

come to the ballpark early.... have fun with each other

now The Cat asks about his diet.

Carp says he’s not 100% on the diet. for the most part.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 20, 2010 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gone like a jackrabbit

He came back. Cat must have some pull with Carp.

Are we on the air? Heh.

I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.

by The Continental on Apr 20, 2010 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Cat risks life and limb to bring Carp back for Cal's shot back

I’m going to watch Carpenter smiling…….

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 20, 2010 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

lineup up yet?

I am the Batman .
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.

by CodyG on Apr 20, 2010 9:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Schu 4
Wick 9
AP 3
Lego 7
Raz 8
Freese 5
Anderson 2
Boog 6
Lohse 1

by nota bene on Apr 20, 2010 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

thanks, ditto to voxx.

I am the Batman .
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.

by CodyG on Apr 20, 2010 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lineup.

Skip Schumaker 2B
Ryan Ludwick RF
Albert Pujols 1B
Matt Holliday LF
Colby Rasmus CF
David Freese 3B
Bryan Anderson C
Brendan Ryan SS
Kyle Lohse P

by Voxx on Apr 20, 2010 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rangers vs Red Sox

9 steals for Texas through 5. Martinez nursing a hurt arm, and word get out? That’s absurd. Andrus has 3 steals with nary a hit.

by Voxx on Apr 20, 2010 9:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Oh.

Wakefield pitching. That explains things a little bit, but…still.

by Voxx on Apr 20, 2010 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

9

really?

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Apr 20, 2010 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

good thing bosox placed emphasis on D this year

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Apr 20, 2010 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I lol'd.

BUT CATCHER DEFENSE ISN’T QUANTIFIABLE.

by Voxx on Apr 20, 2010 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

My own solution to a weak-armed catcher like V. Martinez was simply not to allow any base runners.

I am the Batman .
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.

by CodyG on Apr 20, 2010 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

brilliant!

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 20, 2010 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Says OldHoss.

Cody stop stealing from others.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥

by ClemsonGirl on Apr 20, 2010 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

i feel betrayed.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 20, 2010 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

one can steal from oneself?

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Apr 20, 2010 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am OldHoss

I am the Batman .
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.

by CodyG on Apr 20, 2010 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Old Hoss is the Batman?!!!

i feel betrayed

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 20, 2010 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

No way.

Did we discover this earlier?

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥

by ClemsonGirl on Apr 20, 2010 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can only carry a lie so far so I'll just admit I stole it.

I am the Batman .
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.

by CodyG on Apr 20, 2010 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

the tweet that is.

I am the Batman .
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.

by CodyG on Apr 20, 2010 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am OldHoss

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Apr 20, 2010 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

i feel... strangely disinterested.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 20, 2010 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think V-Mart is a bit over-rated

his offense is good for a catcher, but it’s not really that valuable at 1B or DH. He’s getting to that stage in a catcher’s career where he misses games (or has to DH) due to being banged up, and he’s a pretty poor defensive catcher. He’s a guy I could really see falling off a cliff in the next year or two.

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Apr 21, 2010 7:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

And this is why the Indians traded him.

But I’m still sad.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥

by ClemsonGirl on Apr 21, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

You got a reasonable return IMO

and I think didn’t you have Shoppach at the time, too, having a career year (with Santana leaping up the minor league ladder)? You could almost argue there wasn’t room for him.

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Apr 22, 2010 5:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Cal, you ignorant slut.

I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.

by The Continental on Apr 20, 2010 9:18 PM EDT reply actions  

hahahahaha

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 20, 2010 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

these kids today.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 20, 2010 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

2-0 Mets over the Cubs in the 8th.

The Cubs offense is so bad right now.

by mojowo11 on Apr 20, 2010 9:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Whereas

Their pitching is equally as bad as Joe Mather. 2 runs to the Mets, after all.

by Voxx on Apr 20, 2010 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

perhaps not just "right now"

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Apr 20, 2010 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Boog and Bombs taking infield

Skip is there to chaperon.

hey, we could put that in the sitcom.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 20, 2010 9:21 PM EDT reply actions  

DO you think this will be posted anywhere online?

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥

by ClemsonGirl on Apr 20, 2010 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's one of those lead-ins to commercials

i keep forgetting to watch those live shots.

or do you mean the sitcom? we’re considering claymation.

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by Yadi2Second on Apr 20, 2010 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

claymation for the sitcom

the movie, however, we shall cast

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Apr 20, 2010 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

good call.

or we could get Macfarlane.

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by Yadi2Second on Apr 20, 2010 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

--- ----- misses us.

the fans miss him too.

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by Yadi2Second on Apr 20, 2010 9:25 PM EDT reply actions  

HE SOUNDS HOMESICK.

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by Yadi2Second on Apr 20, 2010 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

fire up the van!

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by Yadi2Second on Apr 20, 2010 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

wait

just wait until he demands a trade to stl

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by cardball on Apr 20, 2010 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Diamondbacks had a catcher get hurt, right?

So Anderson jacks a dong against this….Dan fellow, tonight. And he’s subsequently traded for him. Sound good?

by Voxx on Apr 20, 2010 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

i was hoping to revive the old major league tradition

of pillaging and kidnap.

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by Yadi2Second on Apr 20, 2010 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

i was thinking something more subtle. like leaving a body double in a haren uniform.

then having the cards sign an unknown independent leaguer named “han daren.”

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Apr 20, 2010 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

little cosmetic surgery...

this dude we sign was bagging groceries, right?

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Apr 20, 2010 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

that carbonite thing is a george lucas™ device

it doesn’t really work

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by Yadi2Second on Apr 20, 2010 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

where is the bloody game thread

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by Yadi2Second on Apr 20, 2010 9:31 PM EDT reply actions  

curtschillingisan*.com

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Apr 20, 2010 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Game Thread

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Apr 20, 2010 9:31 PM EDT reply actions  

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