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head-to-head matchups: giants v. cards

i just want to start by saying that, while i came into the season with high hopes and great expectations for the cardinals, the team has really exceeded my wishes. april has been a great month for cardinal baseball so far. a few slightly worrisome trends - chris carpenter's home run rate, the bullpen's performance, some early errors by david freese - have been sighted (and some are on the wane already), but the team has never looked outclassed even in its losses. i have not yet watched a game with a sense of futility - a sense i felt many times in each of the last three seasons. i'm pleased with the hitting, pleased with the defense, and pleased with the rotation. i'm pleased with the bull. . . well, with dennys reyes. 

* * *

i spotted this feature and noticed something that got overlooked . . . .

before you proceed, though, i just want to say that i don't want discussion of this item to become political. i hope discussion of this article is interesting because of baseball, and not anything else.

the philadelphia daily news sat down with, of all people, justice samuel alito of the united states supreme court, a huge phillies fan. alito had these comments:

DN: So do you take your children to games?

Alito: I do, although they're both grown up. My daughter is a senior in college and my son is in law school . . . My son is a very rabid baseball fan. He's really into the sophisticated baseball statistics. He does computer programs, analyzing everything. My wife accuses us of talking only about baseball. [Laughing] Once the season begins, she gets tired of hearing us.

DN: So you're more of a sabermetrics guy than a traditionalist?

Alito: Well, I'm very interested in it and I'm attracted to it. I can't say I really understand it all that well. But it makes a lot of sense to me. I guess it has its limits. But the nature of baseball just lends itself to a statistical analysis.

DN: So if you had a choice of having dinner with Bill James or a top scout, you'd go with Bill James?

Alito: I don't know. It depends on what the scout would tell me. I think they know things but either they don't want to tell ordinary people or they have trouble explaining it.

I don't think you can look at a high school kid, or even a college kid, and tell how that player is going to do in professional baseball. So the scouts have to be able to see something in a very nascent form, which I think is very, very difficult to do. I don't know what the secret is.

further down, he mentions pete rose and the "intangibles" rose brought to the game. so let's not be too quick to declare our first sabermetrician on the high court. he does clearly appreciate the intellectual side of baseball. he compliments tony la russa as a great tactician and identifies chase utley and roy halladay as great baseball "thinkers."

also, a brief survey of the remainder of the court yields two yankees fans, a red sox fan, and a (soon-to-retire) cubs fan. for those counting at home, that's a narrow majority for high-profile, big-budget clubs. somehow, i suppose it's unlikely ruth bader ginsberg is a big baseball fan. no word on who, if anyone, roberts, thomas, and kennedy support. 

no word on whether alito has ever been projectile vomited on (or, for that matter, projectile vomited on anyone) at a phillies game, but i think both are frowned on, at least where supreme court justices are involved.

* * * 

speaking of the phillies, jimmy rollins is out with a calf injury, potentially for quite a while. anybody recall hearing the phillies infield depth criticized recently? well, now they've got a less-than-replacement player, juan castro, filling in at short. over a full season - which, lucky for the phillies, it won't likely be - this would be a drop of four whole wins. the phils are sufficiently dominant they'd still be the favorites in the NL east, but having rollins out any substantial period of time would diminish whatever margin for error they have between themselves and the braves. 

Star-divide

last week's story gave us a poll on who to have in our last installment. i was leaning towards last year's division winners, the dodgers, who return a position player contingent mostly similar to the division-winning team of last year, though the rotation got dodgier in the offseason. instead, we have a majority of readers wanting to see the giants. give the people what they want, i always say.

speaking of dodgy rotations, the giants have brought a familiar face to their rotation, one who just gave up seven runs to the dodgers in the first two innings of his second start of the year. luckily for bay area folk, there are a couple pitchers on the team slightly better than our kentucky fried friend. 

tim lincecum, as much as it caused great distress in st. louis and, in some quarters, irate rantings against intellectual pinheads poring over spreadsheets, won the 2009 NL cy young. matt cain, barry "my contract is like 50 pound lead boots on this team" zito, jonathan sanchez, and todd "boom headshot" wellemeyer round out the rotation. which of these is not like the other? 

Name

FANS WAR

Name

TOM WAR*

Chris Carpenter

4.7

Tim Lincecum

7.0*

Adam Wainwright

5.4

Matt Cain

3.5*

Brad Penny

2.1

Barry Zito

2.0*

Kyle Lohse

2.2

Johnathan Sanchez

2.5*

Jaime Garcia*

0.7*

Todd Wellemeyer

0.5*

Total

15.1

Total

15.5*

*sadly, fangraphs removed both the FANS and CHONE WAR calculations posted at each player's profiles that I used in earlier calculations. now, only the ZIPS calculations remain. i've tried to provide a semi-faithful extrapolation based on prior valuation and the projected FIP by ZIPS. needless to say, this makes the whole process a lot more questionable. the idea is to give a general notion of how the teams stack up, so while the loss of the projections is unfortunate i don't think it's fatal to the exercise. 

even with the best pitcher in baseball at the top of the rotation, the giants' rotation is just good, not extraordinary, comparable to the phillies' or cardinals' rotations and behind the deep atlanta rotation. cain had a fine year by ERA but his FIP barely nudged, suggesting much of the improved results were not due to improved pitching on his part (his groundball rate improved somewhat from 2008 to 2009). he did benefit from a very high (81%) strand rate. look for him to regress to an ERA in the high threes.  zito and sanchez look like pretty ordinary pitchers. and, well, you know todd.

the bullpen has some high points. brian wilson is a decent closer and jeremy affeldt projects to have a decent 2010. 

the position players are much more concerning.

Name

CHONE WAR

Pos

Name

TOM WAR*

Yadier Molina

3.5

C

Bengie Molina

2.0

Albert Pujols

7.2

1B

Aubrey Huff

1.0*

Skip Schumaker

1.6

2B

J. Uribe/F. Sanchez

1.0*/2.0*

Brendan Ryan

2.7

SS

Edgar Renteria

1.0*

David Freese

1.8

3B

Pablo Sandoval

4.0*

Matt Holliday

4.9

LF

Mark DeRosa

2.5*

Colby Rasmus

3.4

CF

Aaron Rowand

2.0*

Ryan Ludwick

2.0

RF

John Bowker

2.5*

Total

27.1

Total

16.0*/17.0*

there are a bunch of average or slightly less than average players, with one standout in sandoval. with a lot of aging players - derosa, rowand, renteria, sanchez - there's not a ton of chance of a pleasant surprise from these guys. sandoval remains interesting and bowker is a player to watch. the remaining outfield depth is not overwhelming, with nate schierholtz projecting as an okay player and two other players (velez and torres) looking like replacement parts. with mark derosa and uribe (velez allegedly pulls a schumaker and plays second, too), the giants will be able to cover gaps in the infield. as they are doing with sanchez out right now. unfortunately, most of the existing pieces are not that interesting as is. 

in short, the position players on the giants are subpar for a playoff contender. the rotation is good, but very heavily dependent on a single pitcher. an injury to lincecum would absolutely doom the rotation, because almost half its value is vested in him.  the sixth starter would likely be bumgarner, who impressed the giants so much in spring training they started todd wellemeyer instead.

i stick with my earlier instinct; the giants look like a third or maybe second place finisher, not likely to take a wild card slot from anyone. on reflection, i don't know that they look better than the dodgers, or the diamondbacks (should brandon webb get healthy).

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If we are going to talk baseball and Supreme Justice's

We should tip the hat to retiring John Paul Stevens. Who was at the game that Babe Ruth called his own shot. Now that is old school. 90 years old and still hasn’t seen the Cubs win the World Series yet.

by FlimtotheFlam on Apr 17, 2010 8:53 AM EDT reply actions  

Mr Stevens

thinks the Cubs will win a WS when bow ties come back in fashion. I think that’s about right.

Just win

by The Duke on Apr 17, 2010 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah right!

the Cubs haven’t won a world series since the Lochner era!

by mattyp on Apr 17, 2010 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe they'll finally win in 2015

When we all have flying cars and hover boards and self-drying jackets.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Apr 17, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

GAH!! living in the future is such a rip

Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.

by TomCat009 on Apr 17, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

At this rate

I’m gonna have a heart-attack before I even get my jetpack.

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Apr 17, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

thanks old guys

where is my moon condo????

Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.

by TomCat009 on Apr 17, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Where's my flying car??

They promised us flying cars!

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Apr 17, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, but

I’d still rather not face the Giants in a playoff series.

They say sing while you slave but I just get bored

by Scarecrow7775 on Apr 17, 2010 9:40 AM EDT reply actions  

very true.

they show up in the playoffs and suddenly lincecum & cain can simply will them into a WS, just like johnson & schilling did in 2001.

"The outfield is deep and playing him straight-away, and the infield is the same, except first, second, third, and short are playing him to pull."
-Mike Shannon

by tehzachatak on Apr 17, 2010 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

so from someone who didn't watch yesterday's game or read the gamethread...

cliffs notes on yesterdays game? i gather from the box score Carp was overwhelmingly better than last time, nobody could hit except floppy and freese, and the bullpen (franky, anyway) almost blew it again.

"The outfield is deep and playing him straight-away, and the infield is the same, except first, second, third, and short are playing him to pull."
-Mike Shannon

by tehzachatak on Apr 17, 2010 9:44 AM EDT reply actions  

yep, you bring up worrisome issues

1. The past two games (sans Floppy) that reminds me of the offensive ineptitude from end of last season
2. The Rolaids bullpen (Franks, Boggs, even McClellan)
But I remind myself that this early in the season:
1. TLR is trying to get everyone going, thus the sharing of limited PAs does not result in early offensive stability, hopefully for long term game
2. We need to find out what we have in players under K, before signing folks outside.
So I console myself.

born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red

by totalloser on Apr 17, 2010 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

OTOH, the good news..

I have never been a Lopez fan and when he was at bat last night with the bases loaded, I looked over at my husband and said, “ok, grand slam here and I will take back everything bad I ever said about you Lopez”.

Well, I spent the rest of the inning doing the “I’m not worthy” in Felipe’s honor. If I see something that I might consider a mental lapse I will just look the other way. Actually he’s been good on defense this year, compared to what I remember.

by spfldbird on Apr 17, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed on the defense.

He made a couple of plays in the hole that I thought he had no chance at making. Specifically the play where he backhanded a ball hit in the hole by Reyes and had enough on the throw to get him at first. Was that in the 9th? Mets announcers were saying Reyes was not running that well but still Floppy looks much improved in the field.

1.14.10, the day I went green.

by njnick on Apr 17, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Lopez to me

seems to be the type of player who plays much better on a winning team. With no real evidence, I think he loses interest if his team isn’t very good and it shows on his defense. But Albert and others won’t let him slack off here.

by CRay on Apr 17, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Offense last night

Remember that Holliday, Skip, and Colby sat. I’m not saying that Skip and Colby would’ve made a big difference against a lefty, but that is still one-third of our everyday starting lineup on the bench. Plus, without Holliday, shouldn’t our offense remind us of last year (except for third base, where, unlike last season, we’ve gotten decent production ).

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Apr 17, 2010 11:02 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yes. Our regular lineup should be formidable.

Sometimes I wish TLR would keep that regular lineup as I am sure many others are sick of his tinkering. But I understand how he is giving valuable opportunities to new guys (Mather, Craig, and Stav(argggghhhh, winning hit not withstanding)) and taking a good long term approach.

born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red

by totalloser on Apr 17, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bench

How nice is it to have Floppy as a bench player? I’m not just saying this because of the grand slam he hit last night. We have a player who put up a .383 OBP last year as an INF fifth man. This was a very smart move by Mo. I also like having Mather on the bench and we all know that I am a Craig fan. With the way TLR operates, this is going to be a fun team to watch every game.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Apr 17, 2010 11:26 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Concern #1 is my primary concern also.

The offense all through ST seemed to be in neutral and that’s carried over somewhat. FSNMW showed last night that the Cards had scored 56% of their runs this year on homeruns. And that just went up after last night. We may be leading MLB now (Cubs were before yesterday at 60%). If Albert (or Lopez) doesn’t hit a dinger, we’re not scoring and letting the likes of Bud Norris and Oliver Perez shut us down.

Hopefully item #2 is contributing to this and things will pick up soon. (I’m not very optimistic about today’s game)

by ArkansasTravs on Apr 17, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

hopefully Mac knows

we’re joking about dinger camp

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 17, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Carp

got much much better starting in the third inning. In the first two innings, the ball seldom went where Molina was set up. In fact, I think the Mets missed some very hittable pitches. Looked like a long day for a while, but carp righted the ship.

by CRay on Apr 17, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ben Bernanke, Fed Reserve Chairman, is also a big sabermetric fan.

Also, I don’t think Sanchez is just an average pitcher. Has nasty stuff and it could be the year he consistently puts it together. If he does, then I would be worried about the Giants. Otherwise, as has been said, probably a 2nd place team.

by thp0344 on Apr 17, 2010 9:47 AM EDT reply actions  

Good morning to Tom S. and all the early risers

I don’t think anyone is going to have an issue with quoting a Justice on VEB as long as it’s about baseball. I do like Alito’s very soft spoken demeanor. I saw him speak with another attorney once, and the other guy talked a lot more which annoyed the heck out of me because I wanted to hear the Justice speak. Note to talk sponsors: when you bring in a Scotus Justice, give him/her all the focus and time. /end rambling.
I know it’s been beat to death, but I think it is a false dichotomy: SABR vs. intangibles. I think SABR folks acknowledge that certain factors are difficult to measure (or there are significant measurement or discretization errors) or isolate (even by using instrumented variables). So honest SABR folks openly acknowledge limitations. On the other hand, just because something is not measurable right now, it does not mean it automatically exists and should be given equal weight to otherwise contrary measurable evidence.

born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red

by totalloser on Apr 17, 2010 9:49 AM EDT reply actions  

VEB is global

for some of us it is 10PM… or whatever

They say sing while you slave but I just get bored

by Scarecrow7775 on Apr 17, 2010 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

I protest!

I thought this was about Jon Jay!

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 17, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

I really hope Jay makes the team some day as a backup OF, defensive sub type

In Jon Jay’s court, the defense never rests.
Bailiff! Please escort the batter back to the dugout.
Etc. etc.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Apr 17, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

As do I.

I saw Jay play this week. He played well. Jay looked like a different and more confident player at the bat. He worked the count well. I was impressed. Plus, I really want to call a Cardinal “the Chief Justice.” Wonderful nickname.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Apr 17, 2010 11:15 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

heh

"they make an adjustment or look into it, ultimately, somebody's going to get hurt" Carp was seen yelling at the home plate umpire

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 18, 2010 2:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oops, my bad

the global conspiracy that is VEB.

born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red

by totalloser on Apr 17, 2010 10:01 AM EDT reply actions  

VEB: really big in Nepal

This space for lease. Contact within.

by TBender on Apr 17, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

we are also

Big In Japan

Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.

by TomCat009 on Apr 17, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Huh

Are you referring to me sir? If so, yes, I am here and at 9 pm, enjoying my Franklins. It was about 8 am here when he got the save giving up 2 runs. I didn’t go to the game thread to see the angst freud, or whatever you call a blown save that was a save. Spent the day on a run in the country with what is called the Hash House Harriers (no relation to illegal substances). Good run, lots of beer, chang (local beer), and rakshi (local hooch) provided by my sister-in-law. My nephew ran the entire 10 km in chapel (flip-flops, Sherpa mountain goat as I call them). All the news that’s fit to report (ATNTFTR)!

by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Apr 17, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Favorite teams: Kennedy likes the Mets. No, make that the Yankees! er..the Mets

No, Yankees! Scalia doesn’t have one. The framers didn’t mention baseball in the Constitution, so it shouldn’t exist. Thomas concurs, duh. Stevens was asked about his favorite team, but opted instead to write a 90 page dissent about who’s not his favorite team. Roberts said the issue is not ripe for judicial review. Breyer sneaked out during deliberations. No one noticed.

by mattyp on Apr 17, 2010 10:17 AM EDT reply actions   3 recs

yeah but when he likes the Yankees

I think he is a right wing kook, when he goes Mets I think he is a left wing activist.

Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.

by TomCat009 on Apr 17, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

so..... what'd I miss?

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 17, 2010 10:36 AM EDT reply actions  

The Viva El Birdos Conspiracy

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Apr 17, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

birdosgate

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Apr 17, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

is that the third base side?

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 17, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'm reading the Joe Pos about home run trots

and just picured Coffey running alongside a giant sausage car.

quick what do i do to get that out of my head

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 17, 2010 11:07 AM EDT reply actions  

I have to blockquote this sucker.
0 Molinas — Incredibly fast movie; you find yourself desperately hoping the movie is not about to end yet. A rare experience. Raiders of the Lost Ark, the first one, was a 0 Molina movie.
1 Molina — Crisp, fast-moving movie; did not look at my watch once.
2 Molinas — Good quick-paced movie, maybe a drag scene here or there.
3 Molinas — Some good and quick scenes but maybe you find yourself thinking three or four times during the movie, "Hmm, this thing is moving along pretty slowly."
4 Molinas — Plodding movie that feels like it will never end. That latest Raiders movie with the 847 year old Harrison Ford, yeah, that was a 4 Molina movie.
5 Molinas — Tess (or A.I.).

link

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 17, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

sbnation press access

So as a DC resident, i follow the nats a bit in addition to the cards. Today i looked over at federal baseball, sbnation’s nationals site. apparently the nationals have given them press credentials for the entire season. That means their bloggers will be at the pregame and postgame interviews and will have a seat in the press box for every home game. link

it seems as though they are one of the first teams in the mlb to do this, and in my mind it’s pretty cool. it brings to mind a couple questions, though. for example, one of the biggest themes of sports sites in the early 00s was that by NOT having access or having to maintain relationships with teams, they could be more objective than their mainstream press brethren. is federal baseball sacrificing something by becoming closer to the team?

secondly, is that something the cardinals would do? if so, is it even something vivaelbirdos would want? i’ve noticed that federal baseball does a lot more game summarizing and recapping than el birdos, so actually being there might improve their coverage. i’m not sure that fits with the editorial model that exists here (not to mention our fearless bloggers’ schedules).

anyway, it’s pretty cool for federal baseball, and it’s food for thought here.

by spencegrif on Apr 17, 2010 11:09 AM EDT reply actions  

Yes VEB would want it

you may be more independent as a person not employed by an automaker, but you also start writing about cars to be able to drive them. I for one would love the additional original content greater SBN access would grant the blogs… plus I would love to see a guest interview series with Cgirlie with Coby or Spants grilling TLR.

Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.

by TomCat009 on Apr 17, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was thinking that

better you than me

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 17, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Springfield News-Leader?

Dan lives in Springfield?

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Apr 17, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

he's doesn't have four fingers?

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 17, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

^'e.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 17, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

...

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Apr 17, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

gave them press credentials?

I’m surprised they didn’t ask the guys at federal baseball if they could pitch in relief.

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Apr 17, 2010 2:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

good point

i’ve often wondered when i’ll get the call-up from the stands.

by spencegrif on Apr 17, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yesterday's discussion on walks and PPA

Holliday’s walk raised his BB% to 5% from 2.8%. It makes you love the volatility of April stats, doesn’t it?

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Apr 17, 2010 11:12 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

So he went from christian guzman to bengie Molina

I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons

by hazel on Apr 17, 2010 11:23 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yes

And in today’s game, he could go from Bengie Molina to 2009 Yadier Molina…

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Apr 17, 2010 11:28 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

this game thread's real chippy.

I’m gon’ go read the box score.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 17, 2010 11:21 AM EDT reply actions  

though apparently I was traded to the Padres.

how does that package have any value? the pads would never do it.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 17, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not to mentions you

were the PTBNL on the Bell/GDM deal

Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.

by TomCat009 on Apr 17, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

it was a package with me and gdm.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 17, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

It got better in the bottom of the 7th.

I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.

by The Continental on Apr 17, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

not particularly

all the fast food places were closed.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 17, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

OK,

it got better for most of us.

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by The Continental on Apr 17, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

somebody spilled some booze

that’s like a universal travesty, right?

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 17, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

what kind of booze

if it was Boones or MD 20/20 I am not weeping

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by TomCat009 on Apr 17, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dunno

I didn’t even skim-read.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
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by Yadi2Second on Apr 17, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would think that Lohse starts are

more the Fortified Wine Nights, Carp deserves some form of Single Malt

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by TomCat009 on Apr 17, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Capt. Morgan, IIRC

and well before FLopez’s grand slam which made us all friends again.

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by The Continental on Apr 17, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

this?


larger

or perhaps… the most amazing walk in the world?

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 17, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

stuff I'm gonna forget

stupid headache.

  1. I watch the grounds crew a lot. I don’t know. It’s one of the highlights of a live game for me. Anyway, I’ve seen Albert casually avoid the grounds crew more times than I can count. Tonight, he didn’t. He just stood there at the edge of the dirt taking the warmup throws, and didn’t get out of the way until they were already halfway done with the area. The alert crewman didn’t skip a beat; he just swept around Number 5.
  2. It’s bad when Felipe Lopez misses a throw during warmups, right? Got into the outfield. Thankfully he more than made up for it.
  3. Caught David Freese startled and/or sneaking a peek at his own interview on the big board.
  4. We did not have good seats… even then caught Boog not-happy at being pulled for Skip. Wasn’t demonstrative body language, but it was obvious like Holliday’s head.
  5. Boog did hit the seeds pretty hard all game long. Is that a bulge in his back pocket or did Matty give him a bag again?

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 17, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh yeah.

Mets fans kept catching foul balls.

Fredbird even frickin’ threw a shirt to one. WTF, Fredbird.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 17, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

NIce imbeded reporting

3. I can’t begin to imagine what Freese is feeling. He missed a huge opportunity last year to take over 3rd, although it was his fault for not revealing his car crash and resulting med condition. So there is the pressure of the 2nd chance along with all the typical pressures on rookies. Being from STL probably has its +s and -s. Every one of his friends is probably trying to get free tickets. So him sneaking a peek is an expected human reaction. After his excellent game last night, he has every reason to be proud. A good start for Freese so far, errors notwithstanding.
5. Seed >>> dipping. No apologies to the dippers out there. It’s bad for you and it’s gross.

born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red

by totalloser on Apr 17, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

well to be honest

it was as good as not going to the game. had company over, and pretty much an older relative didn’t dress for the weather, so we spent some time in the concourse.

also, i told them Carp wouldn’t appreciate being late, but did they listen? noooo.

5. I say it with an amount of fondness for the unsanitaryness of it all. When they planned the IBB, the Mets looked like they were just up there giggling about it. Talk about backhanded compliment. Boog didn’t have much fun — only one good throw that was all his.

3. Anybody would. They turned up the volume on that sucker, and it went on a while. Just noting that it was a Moment.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
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by Yadi2Second on Apr 17, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

(we were pretty shocked by the number of infants in the bitter cold. cover their heads!!)

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
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by Yadi2Second on Apr 17, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought the same thing!

I saw one wearing just a long-sleeved onesie. It was 60 degrees with wind!

You can read it in any tone you like.

by spants on Apr 17, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's CRAZY.

there were all those babies. it’s like they knew Az wasn’t coming. and not one of them looked bundled up enough.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 17, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh, there is some other stuff I didn't forget

but I’ll save it up for later. spants probably had a better view … and better composition skills.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
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by Yadi2Second on Apr 17, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

The people around me tried to blame Yadi for the play at the plate.

It was clearly a poor throw by Boog, but they were muttering about Yadi’s supposed Gold Glove skills. It pissed me off.

The crowd wasn’t much better smarter in the richy-rich seats. The guys behind me were discussing how Dave Duncan is a masterful pitching coach and that he made Jeff Weaver a “phenomenal” pitcher while he was with us. I reminded them that Weaver was pretty awful for us until the post-season.

You can read it in any tone you like.

by spants on Apr 17, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

He really has.

The funniest part was that the guy who was talking about Weaver the most wasn’t even a Cardinals fan! The legend has bled into other fandoms.

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by spants on Apr 17, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

one day I really hope

Dave Duncan gives that tell-all interview, and reveals he was just trying to get great seats at restaurants. The legend!

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 17, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

You guys hear what happened to Jared Weaver

Apparently when the Angels were in town against the Yankees. A guy committed suicide by jumping off a building right in front of Jared Weaver.

by FlimtotheFlam on Apr 17, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

and former

Three Rivers Community College star Matt Palmer (he was there 1 year before I was)

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Apr 17, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I sincerely hope this is not a new meme.

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by Yadi2Second on Apr 17, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

old news that keeps getting brought up

as new news is what yadi2 means.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Apr 17, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

WE'VE LANDED ON THE MOON!!!!

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by TomCat009 on Apr 17, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

good for you for setting them straight

I just get pissed off and mumble under my breath to my wife about how stupid the * sitting in front/behind/beside me is.

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Apr 17, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did the throw glance off of Francouer?

It looked like it in one replay but Dan ’n Al never said anything about it so I supposed not.

by ArkansasTravs on Apr 17, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think so.

I was sorta far away when it happened, though.

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by spants on Apr 17, 2010 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

One great thing about the game last night:

Kosher hot dogs are back! They were serving nasty Hunter dogs last season after years of serving Kosher dogs. This year they’re serving Hebrew National hot dogs. I hate myself when I eat hot dogs, but I have to get one at the Cardinals game about once, maybe twice a season.

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by spants on Apr 17, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've only had nachos at the ball game like twice.

What was different?

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by spants on Apr 17, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

The we're the circular kind

And corn tortillas, rather then flour tortilla chips. Held up to the cheese a ton better.

by Mister Eff on Apr 17, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

They're not like that now?

The guy next to me ate yellow, round corn chip nachos last night.

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by spants on Apr 17, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

we had the impostor nachos.

the real ones must be on the lower levels

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by Yadi2Second on Apr 17, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

They looked dark. Either way, their both corn chips.

One would be white corn and one yellow. I don’t think they’ve ever served flour chips.

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by spants on Apr 17, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

UGH They're you fool!

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by spants on Apr 17, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

"obvious like holliday's head"

the hollihead is one of the wonders of the (baseball) world.

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by cardball on Apr 17, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I had heard that it had filed a petition to be granted it's own tax district

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by TomCat009 on Apr 17, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Carpenter still has me worried

He threw a ridiculously low number of fastballs and was really relying on the curveball. His FB velocity was down and he had no control over it. If the Mets hadn’t been swinging through the curveball so much, the box score would have looked a lot different. I’m very concerned we are going to see the words “MRI” and “Carpenter” in the same story soon.

by chris13 on Apr 17, 2010 11:26 AM EDT reply actions  

meh

he was touching 92-93 on the FB. Not to mention the curveball was nasty. Hard to believe he’s injured and its only noticeably affecting the FB.

by mattyp on Apr 17, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

velocity

Brooks baseball had him topping out at 91, which was pretty consistent with what the gun on the fox broadcast was showing (at least the part I saw). And his % of FB thrown was in the single digits. He averaged 93+mph last year (admittedly high for him vs. his career norms), but this is still low and he has always pitched off of the fastball. He’s not Blyleven.

Obviously, I don’t want the guy to be hurt, but when velocity is down, control is bad and he’s having to use a pitch selection he’s never used before, it is a little concerning.

by chris13 on Apr 17, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

I do hope he is fine

Wainwright was a little bit of a mess at the beginning of last year and we’d all be happy if he had exactly the same year agian this year.

But the only reason I bring up the Carp – injury issue is that, if he is hurt, I would rather see the Cards address it now rather than have them dick around with it for weeks/months first (as is their custom with injuries). If he has something fixable, do it now and hopefully you get the guy back on the mound in the fall. The Cards are strong enough to win the Central without him. We will really need him come playoff time.

by chris13 on Apr 17, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nah

Brooksbaseball had him averaging 91 and topping out at 92.7 (sinker). I disagree that he’s always pitched off his fastball—-at least as compared to other pitchers—-he establishes that he can throw it but I think he’s always used the cutter to set everything else up more than anything.

In any case, he couldn’t get the FB going last night yes, but that’s going to happen……..the man still had 10 Ks.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Apr 17, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I do wonder if it's an injury

but I also wonder why in the hell he was topping out at 96-97 last year, too. He had never done that in the past, so maybe his arm was just extra hot for a period last season.

Plus, the increase in IPs from 07/08 into 09 may be tiring on him. And, he’s not spring chicken (whatever that means) anymore. Lots of possible theories.

Or maybe he’s just off cycle. /ducks!

by Mister Eff on Apr 17, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

It also takes a while to ramp up sometimes

hopefully as the season wears on he will return to late july form

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by TomCat009 on Apr 17, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

And a thing to remember is

that Carp was just coming off rehab for the arm. It was bound to be stronger last year. Thankfully he didnt have to rehab at the end of last year, so his arm is probably a little weaker.

by brindled on Apr 17, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Concern

I am always concerned about seeing “Carpenter” and “MRI” in the same story. But, he had the same lower velocity on his FB in his early ‘09 starts. I missed the first part of last night’s game, but Leach’s game story at the Mother Ship noted an increase in velocity last night as compared to Sunday.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Apr 17, 2010 11:39 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

possible element

it was cold in the stadium. the wind wasn’t hard, but it was cold. at one point the catcher coming out for warmups had a jacket on.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 17, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

It was cold.

And when we moved down to the lower level, it was far more windy than our seat in the 200s level. Josh didn’t have a jacket and he went from a little bit cold to nonstop goose bumps in the better seats.

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by spants on Apr 17, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

and it would flux from chilly to really cold, too. depending on the wind.

I’m wondering if that would affect results.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 17, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Isn't the wifey supposed to provide heater duties? (a nice game long hug?)

Or are you’all adverse to PDA

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by totalloser on Apr 17, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I did my best!

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by spants on Apr 17, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

This worries me as well.

The fact that he is still pitching despite consistently lower velocity is heartening, but changes in velocity are a huge red flag because they are obvious evidence that something is definitely changed. Mechanics, muscles, or just conditioning, something is different.

I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons

by hazel on Apr 17, 2010 12:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I don't know about the supreme court,

but Carl Kasell is a Cards fan.

I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.

by The Continental on Apr 17, 2010 11:45 AM EDT reply actions  

Wait, Wait Don't Tell Me from St. Louis

comin’ up in 5.

I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.

by The Continental on Apr 17, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Or you can just hit their

podcast.

I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.

by The Continental on Apr 17, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

The giants look like a third place team to me,

The list of terrible moves by their gm is too long to recount, but its highlights include the zito, rowand and Molina contracts in addition to awful trades and waiver fiascoes. Lincecum is great and that’s about it.

I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons

by hazel on Apr 17, 2010 11:54 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Cain and Panda are very very good

Zito, Renteria, Huff, Posey, and Rowand are wild cards if they get good to great production from three of those they are very dangerous

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by TomCat009 on Apr 17, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fat Kids tripping is funny no matter how old they are

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by TomCat009 on Apr 17, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

If by wild cards you mean below average players,

then yeah they’re wild cards. Posey is the only person on your list who could be above average, and he’s not on the Giants roster. Three decent players does not a playoff team make.

I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons

by hazel on Apr 17, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Zito is back to at least decent already

they won 88 games last year with one starter having an above average OPS+, they could easily challenge.

Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.

by TomCat009 on Apr 17, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

what's the deal with f. sanchez?

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Apr 17, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

still limping along on the DL

Thank god for bryan sabean, can you imagine if the Zito money was spent on Wolf, Garland, and a couple of high upside guys like Bedard?

Add maybe Floppy, Chone, Damon and let the farm develop that would be a wicked team

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by TomCat009 on Apr 17, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

at least five league average and a decent swing man

Bedard would be a wicked BP guy

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by TomCat009 on Apr 17, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

They were lucky to win 88 last year,

and they only got older in the offseason. In his best season in five years, Zito was an average pitcher.

I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons

by hazel on Apr 17, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

true but your 3rd starter doesn't have to be more than average to challenge

Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.

by TomCat009 on Apr 17, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're changing your argument, however.

An guy who is lucky to be average is not a wild card, and their offense will be fighting the Astros for last place this season.

I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons

by hazel on Apr 17, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Zito has every chance to be well above average he is the same age as Halladay

obviously Doc is an ace but Zito is certainly a better pitcher than almost any 3 in the NL. To make a run you have to be in it and solid starting pitching is the best bet to be there at the end of the year.

Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.

by TomCat009 on Apr 17, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's the same age as Halladay,

and Halladay is probably the best pitcher of his generation while Zito has been average once in the last five years. So, yeah, that totally makes sense.

I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons

by hazel on Apr 17, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'm the same age ass allen craig

i think i could tear it up in AAA

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by prophetjohn on Apr 17, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm the same age as Lebron,

see you in the Finals!

I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons

by hazel on Apr 17, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lebron is suspended

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by TomCat009 on Apr 17, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

thus the indians definitely won't make the world series

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by cardball on Apr 17, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Zito has been below average once in the last five years

if you are saying the Giants aren’t great I agree, neither were the post MV3 cards and they took a title. I would say that the NL west is so wide open other than the Padres finishing fifth no final standing involving the other four would surprise me.

Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.

by TomCat009 on Apr 17, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

The post MV3 cardinals were killed by bad injuries,

but they still had the actual MV3 on the team along with a Cy-caliber pitcher, a good defense, and a good bullpen.

The Giants aren’t injured greats- they’re a team over never-were players with one awesome pitcher and one good position player. Meh.

I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons

by hazel on Apr 17, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess you could see it that way

or you could see it as a team that had Yadi hitting .216, and Eckstein, Taguchi, and Miles getting a lot of ABs. Not to mention the fact that Marquis, Mulder, Suppan, Weaver, and Reyes were hardly on par with Cain, Sanchez, Zito..

Albert was the only guy in 06 with an OPS higher than Panda had last year if you think Huff can be better than Garko, Derosa better than Winn, Sanchez better Eugenio Velez, and Renteria better than the worst he has ever been it isn’t to much of reach to see them in contention.

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by TomCat009 on Apr 17, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

sanchez is the third best starter

and most teams would take zito as a number 4

the giants will contend

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by prophetjohn on Apr 17, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe Bumgarner finds that exrtra 6mph?

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by TomCat009 on Apr 17, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

i suppose one of the above could go

Tony womack on the giants, but I wouldn’t bet on more than one of them. Those players are all well past their primes.

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by tom s. on Apr 17, 2010 2:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

i don't know who john bowker is

but luddy always seems to come out on the short end of the stick in all these projection comparisons.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Apr 17, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

ditto

"they make an adjustment or look into it, ultimately, somebody's going to get hurt" Carp was seen yelling at the home plate umpire

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 18, 2010 2:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

nobody better flag this as politics

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by TomCat009 on Apr 17, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Only if someone promises to photoshop Alito's face onto Ryan Braun's body.

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by hazel on Apr 17, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Isn't there a difference b/t a douche and a douche bag?

Or should I automatically assume that “douche” is short for a douche bag?

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by totalloser on Apr 17, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh no I would argue that a Douche is slighly more offensive than a Douchebag

I would like to categorize the ASS… hierarchy at some point I would assume that an asscaptain is ranked ahead of assclown but behind asshat

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by TomCat009 on Apr 17, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

well

he’s a supreme justice, I think it goes with the territory. but yeah

"they make an adjustment or look into it, ultimately, somebody's going to get hurt" Carp was seen yelling at the home plate umpire

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 18, 2010 2:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Despite all our worries, it’s interesting that the Cards still lead the NL in ERA at 2.84, and Franklin, for all our worries, is 4-for-4 in save opportunities.

Oh, and the “reason-to-be-concerned” Carpenter did have 10 K’s last night. Darn him, if he had his fastball he might have had 20.

by Jmodene on Apr 17, 2010 1:01 PM EDT reply actions  

i feel more comfortable when frankie's save opportunities

are of the 3-run-lead variety. i think he inherits eckstein’s old nickname: Just Enough.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Apr 17, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

starting to sound like

joe borowski for the indians in 07, with a 5.04 era and 45 saves. no thanks.

"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."

by BVHeck on Apr 17, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

perhaps instead of "more comfortable"

i should have said “less agonized”

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Apr 17, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

that works

"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."

by BVHeck on Apr 17, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Excuse me, did you just say no worries because of 4/4 in saves?

Do you not fear the VEB stat patrol?

born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red

by totalloser on Apr 17, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

[turns up Der Kommissar]

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 17, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

i love you, falco

i don’t care who knows it.

"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5

"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.

by Tudor's Electric Fan on Apr 17, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

you're in an 80s mood today

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 17, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's a special occasion

in that it’s a day that ends in “y”.

"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5

"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.

by Tudor's Electric Fan on Apr 17, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Aaron Rowand suffers two fractures to his cheekbone

after he was hit in the face with a pitch by Vicente Padilla.

Good lord. Get well soon, Aaron.

I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.

by The Continental on Apr 17, 2010 1:09 PM EDT reply actions  

he's lucky to be alive, yo.

damn.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 17, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

damn.

he’s lucky in a way, it could have been much worse (rest in peace, kirby puckett).

"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5

"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.

by Tudor's Electric Fan on Apr 17, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

So the Indians and probaby the Cardinals are going to be blacked out for me.

I can’t figure out the Proxy things that Flim posted. Help?

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥

by ClemsonGirl on Apr 17, 2010 1:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Did you install Foxy Proxy?

You can read it in any tone you like.

by spants on Apr 17, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha, whoops.

Forgot that he’s using Boxee instead. Hmm…

I think someone on here is still having success with the old method which requires installing foxy proxy.

http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2009/6/6/901164/how-to-circumvent-mlb-tvs-blackout

You can read it in any tone you like.

by spants on Apr 17, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

The old way was still working for me...

I have moved over to Boxee, though.

Fuck Flash.

by LukeMP1186 on Apr 17, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

foxyproxy works better

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Apr 17, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

depends on the proxy

if you can’t find a good proxy real quick, the video starts out bad and doesn’t adjust. with foxy proxy, you can just get it going, disable the proxy and readjust the video quality

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Apr 17, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have foxyproxy

but how do you find a good proxy? Last time I went to that site Flim linked and tried like 10 proxies, only one of them worked, but only for a second. It was way too tedious. Is there some better way than this trial and error?

by mattyp on Apr 17, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah I instaled that.

I tried the other one too. I have no idea what I’m doing. it’s just a mess.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥

by ClemsonGirl on Apr 17, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's not what Boxee looks like for me.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥

by ClemsonGirl on Apr 17, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

It keeps saying Invalid password/username.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥

by ClemsonGirl on Apr 17, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

OT: Royals up 2-0 on an Ankiel homer

In a related story: he always sends my phone calls straight to voice mail and called the cops on me when I stood outside his window blaring Peter Gabriel.

"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5

"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.

by Tudor's Electric Fan on Apr 17, 2010 1:35 PM EDT reply actions  

heh

Just found my Ankiel t-shirt jersey today. I don’t know what to do with it.

You can read it in any tone you like.

by spants on Apr 17, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

donate it to the hall of fame

just send it to them with a letter, and then claim a big write-off.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Apr 17, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

quite a dilemma

save it for the day he becomes a bench coach for the cards? show of support/ironic accessory to wear at cards/royals games? dress up for halloween as “zombie rick ankiel”?

"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5

"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.

by Tudor's Electric Fan on Apr 17, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think this is the plan.

You can read it in any tone you like.

by spants on Apr 17, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

yup

"they make an adjustment or look into it, ultimately, somebody's going to get hurt" Carp was seen yelling at the home plate umpire

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 18, 2010 2:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

wear it!

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Apr 17, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

My daughter and her cousin just bought Ankiel jerseys

The $40-50 kind at a local sporting goods store for $20. (Cards jersey, that is)

by ArkansasTravs on Apr 17, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it is a cool knick knack

"they make an adjustment or look into it, ultimately, somebody's going to get hurt" Carp was seen yelling at the home plate umpire

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 18, 2010 2:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

holy shit

"they make an adjustment or look into it, ultimately, somebody's going to get hurt" Carp was seen yelling at the home plate umpire

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 18, 2010 2:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

archive question

I have MLB-TV for the first time: for how long are the past games archived? And how do you access one after the “schedule” gets too far ahead of an older game you want to see again?

by the Tewk on Apr 17, 2010 1:43 PM EDT reply actions  

ps

watching yesterday’s game again now; and Carp looks better than he did last night, Ha

by the Tewk on Apr 17, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

i picked a random day in 2006

and there were archives for all the games that day

click on “open calendar”

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Apr 17, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

thanks

if I wasn’t a subscriber in past years, can I still access ’09, ’08, etc?

by the Tewk on Apr 17, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Apr 17, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I watched...

Albert’s 3 HR Easter Sunday on MLB.TV the other day.

That was 2006.

by LukeMP1186 on Apr 17, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

"those occurred in april and therefore do not count"

-mvp voters, circa 2006

"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5

"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.

by Tudor's Electric Fan on Apr 17, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Has everyone Youtubed "Marlins will soar?"

Because it’s hilarious.

"There are three things in my life which I really love: God, my family, and baseball. The only problem - once baseball season starts, I change the order around a bit." ~Al Gallagher, 1971

go cards.

by thecoolalonzo on Apr 17, 2010 2:02 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

look, scott stapp happened ok?

let’s just admit it and move on.

"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5

"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.

by Tudor's Electric Fan on Apr 17, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

we're not here to talk about creed

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 17, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

here's what I think of creed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipy58SaIRhs

"they make an adjustment or look into it, ultimately, somebody's going to get hurt" Carp was seen yelling at the home plate umpire

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 18, 2010 2:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

ank homered again

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Apr 17, 2010 2:13 PM EDT reply actions  

best meme ever.

/ glossary

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 17, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's funny 'cause it's not true

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Apr 17, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

look who got up on the bitter side of bed

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 17, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

easy guys

we only have so many floppy grand slams to lighten the mood around here.

"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5

"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.

by Tudor's Electric Fan on Apr 17, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha

did you mean “better”? just to be clear, though, my comment was in reference to NCAYRA.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Apr 17, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

i know

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Apr 17, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

eh, ank just played a ball into a triple for morneau

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Apr 17, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

ank's bid for his third homer went foul

grounded out to short right vs. the shift.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Apr 17, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

where was that?

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Apr 17, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think i felt the smile here

thought it was the sun.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Apr 17, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

sbn'd

"they make an adjustment or look into it, ultimately, somebody's going to get hurt" Carp was seen yelling at the home plate umpire

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 18, 2010 2:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oswalt and his merry men

beating the baby bears 3-0 through 5

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Apr 17, 2010 2:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Feliz knocked out

Gorzelanny with a liner to the forearm

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Apr 17, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

this would be an ideal time for houston to catch fire

"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5

"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.

by Tudor's Electric Fan on Apr 17, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

hey now

they already had a hurricane snafu

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 17, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

astros score another

lead 4-0, going into the stretch. oswalt batted for himself in the top of the 7th, so i can only assume he’s on to pitch in the bottom half.

"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5

"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.

by Tudor's Electric Fan on Apr 17, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

like perez last night?

commenters on the mets site are not amused with manuel’s moves, or minaya. David G sez:

“…Felipe Lopez basically peed on Minaya’s head tonight. I admit I kind of liked it. We had to sign a scrub backup like Cora while Lopez could’ve helped. Imagine a 2b who can hit a home run? Does a Mets fan know what that even feels like anymore. I hope as Lopez rounded the bases he yelled out to Castillo, "THAT HOMER IS A SUNK COST, BITCH!" Ok, that would not have made sense, but I’m kind of drunk.”

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Apr 17, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Poor Boog

Lineups, per Goold

    1. Skip Schumaker, 2B

    2. Ryan Ludwick, RF

    3. Albert Pujols, 1B

    4. Matt Holliday, LF

    5. Yadier Molina, C

    6. David Freese, 3B

    7. Felipe Lopez, SS

    8. Colby Rasmus, CF

    9. Jaime Garcia, LHP

by Mister Eff on Apr 17, 2010 2:44 PM EDT reply actions  

boog :(

"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5

"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.

by Tudor's Electric Fan on Apr 17, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Book should be in over Schu at least.

Damnit.

I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons

by hazel on Apr 17, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Book, heh.

I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons

by hazel on Apr 17, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

boog 0 for 7 vs. santana

skip at least has a couple hits

by TIII on Apr 17, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I suppose we should never start Pujols against Bud Norris as well.

I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons

by hazel on Apr 17, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

dingerz

http://stlcardinals.scout.com/2/963087.html

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 17, 2010 3:05 PM EDT reply actions  

we were 3rd best in walks in the NL last year?

"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."

by BVHeck on Apr 17, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 17, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

touche

"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."

by BVHeck on Apr 17, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

does that suggest we'll be around 3rd again this year?

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Apr 17, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

classique.
"[Holliday] says he’s better," La Russa said. "I don’t think he’s 100 percent, but he says he’s ready to go, so he goes."

link

Holliday was sick the previous day, too. Houston series. played anyway.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 17, 2010 3:15 PM EDT reply actions  

then there's this from rosenthal
La Russa on Holliday playing with cold-flu: “He’s just weak enough to slow him up for the (Johan) Santana changeup.” #Mets #Cardinals #MLB


linky

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Apr 17, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

[headslap]

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 17, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

^

http://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/12351973221

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 17, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did I do it wrong?

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Apr 17, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

main twitter account vs. specific twitter

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 17, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

twitterpated

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 17, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh cool

mets and cards are on my fox

too bad i have to leave for work 30 minutes after it starts

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Apr 17, 2010 3:47 PM EDT reply actions  

explosive diarrhea

we’ve discussed this. Shame you don’t feel well on such a beautiful day.

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Apr 17, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's rainy and nasty, actually

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Apr 17, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

just eat a bunch of Fiber One pancakes you won't even have to lie

Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.

by TomCat009 on Apr 17, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

that doesn't matter

you will still get to watch it

"they make an adjustment or look into it, ultimately, somebody's going to get hurt" Carp was seen yelling at the home plate umpire

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 18, 2010 2:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

not news: Albert gets some TWIB love

second straight week, Colby gets his Selling It moment.
and Joe Mather gets a big chunk of airtime, complete with gritty aw-shucks smile.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 17, 2010 3:58 PM EDT reply actions  

huh

Buerhle likes Kauffman Stadium.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 17, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

who are these chumps?!

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Apr 17, 2010 4:06 PM EDT reply actions  

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