Duncan is to contact as McGwire is to dingers
by DanUpBaby on Apr 16, 2010 6:00 AM EDT
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PrintTwo La Russa Tropes in one: Yesterday the Cardinals proved that You Can't Look Past Today's Game, losing to a team that's staked an early claim as the worst in the league, but also that if you just keep winning two out of three you're in pretty good shape as a team. 6-3, and as one Astros-Cardinals whammy, Wandy v. Pujols, falls out of the firmament it's time to induct another one: Bud "of all people" Norris v. the Cardinals in general.
Norris has pretty good minor league numbers to his credit, and a fair adjustment to Major League ball in 2009, so while it might be less cathartic than an Albert Pujols home run it seems like this whammy could end by default, when he proves effective against the rest of the National League. To the Cardinals' credit, they drew their walks; Norris's four walks per nine across AAA and MLB in 2009 would have been a nice test case for the new, Mark McGwire Cardinals, had they followed that plate discipline up with some runs batted in. Since the team failed to walk, for that matter, after Norris left the game following the fifth inning, they remain on the bad side of league average in that category, despite none other than Colby Rasmus remaining fourth in the league in it.
For Mark McGwire, to this point, middling returns, though dingers have indeed been hit at a prodigious rate—only Arizona has more. But our other coach-savant has hit all his marks so far: through nine games St. Louis pitchers have walked just 22 batters, tops in all of baseball. Everyone's pitching in (not a pun) in his own way: even Mitchell Boggs managed to have his relief meltdown without allowing a base on balls!
How good have they been so far? If the Cardinals staff, all of it, were one pitcher, the Cardinals wouldn't be able to afford him—with Lohse's walkless performance they're down to 2.47 walks per nine innings, or a little lower than Adam Wainwright's career average.
Of course, they've given some of that back in a low strikeout rate—the league average is a little high in the early going, 7.3 per nine against a 2009 mark of 7.1, but the Cardinals remain a full strikeout below it. As anybody who's calculated FIP in his head, or attempted to, knows, they come out ahead on the Dave Duncan plan by trading a strikeout for a walk, but the fact remains that they're doing it.
For the 2010 Cardinals, though, the usual story about starters who pitch to contact skewing the strikeout totals is misleading, or at least not the full story—what leaves this year's club in the strikeout dust is that none of its relievers have brought the strikeouts in the way that their job requirements demand. In the NL this year starters have struck out 6.9 batters per nine innings, relievers 8.03; for the Cardinals those numbers are 6.2 and 6.3.
It's just another way of saying what we already know: the relief pitching is not there yet. Their walk rate's high, too; 4.34, against the starters' 2.2. Yesterday they didn't take the loss, for the first time this year, but Boggs pitched as though he was looking to keep the streak alive. Boggs in particular—I'm not sure how the Astros avoided swinging through his fastball even once, but I guess you have to have at least some idea of where it's going to keep the hitters from knowing exactly where it's going.
Through half of April Boggs, for all our offseason excitement about his newly explosive fastball, is in some danger of spending part of his bullpen internship in Memphis, where Fernando Salas has thrown three strikeouts in as many scoreless innings. (While I'm playing bullpen GM, what is VEB favorite/dancing zombie Casey Mulligan doing repeating Palm Beach after ending 2009 as a completely capable Texas League reliever? He struck out 34 in 28 innings in his last trip to the FSL, and eight strikeouts in four innings later he appears to still be too good for the low minors.)
Tonight the Mark McGwire side of the Cardinals have a chance to pad their walk totals against Oliver Perez, who is looking to remain an enigmatic young left-hander for a record sixth straight year. (Even Rick Ankiel gave up and started hitting at this point.) He's been playing this same game so long, and started so young, that he first tantalized Major League GMs by striking out a batter an inning with mediocre control in 2002, as a Padres teammate of Ray Lankford. But he's still just one baseball-year older than David Freese.
For the Cardinals, it's a matter of seeing if Chris Carpenter is done being bad in his peculiar way. I'm still a week from being able to watch him on TV, but it'll be interesting, if he's still ineffective, to see how long his gameplan would remain unchanged in the face of different results.
(Dear gods of baseball: it would be more interesting still to see him effective. Yours sincerely, danup.)
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Their walk rate’s high, too; 4.34
Is that per 9? I mean thats still pretty high andall. I just wanted to know what thats per.
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
yeah, per 9.
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by Felonius_Monk on Apr 16, 2010 8:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I noticed last night
he was not in the back of a red Chevy Silverado. Jim Rapaport was!
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by musialsuspects on Apr 16, 2010 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Oliver Perez...
Well, if he does what he SHOULD do and walk Pujols every time he comes up, he should have two more walks by the time he’s ushered out early after giving up 6-10 runs.
Is it just me
It seems like this year with Big Mac our hitters are going much deeper into their counts and practicing moar patience, rather than swinging early on the assumption that the best pitch to hit will be earlier in the count. If the hitters are practicing moar discipline, maybe they are seeing better pitches to drive.
I don’t have the numbers to back that up, but I’m sure somebody in this forum would be able to confirm or debunk that assumption.
It's not just you
but while the plural of anecdote is not data, my observation is that the only player in the lineup who seems to be following the hacktastic lessons of McRae is Ryan Ludwick — and even then, maybe he only swings at the first pitch half the time.
by Michael_68_1999 on Apr 16, 2010 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions
League average is 3.85
Above:
Pujols 4.26
Skippy 4.17
Rasmus 4.17
Ryan 4.04
Below:
Ludwick 3.76
Lopez: 3.67
Holliday 3.62
Freese 3.48
Molina 2.77
Anyone know how to look up pitches/pa for batting order? ie. Leadoff spot is averaging 4.17, 2 spot is averaging 3.76 etc…)
must be a factor of SSS for Molina
he’s consistently near the top of that measure (P/PA) IIRC. I guess a high swing rate, high contact % and inability to draw a walk will do that for you.
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by Felonius_Monk on Apr 16, 2010 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm confused.
Wouldn’t a high swing rate, high contact %, and inability to draw a walk likely indicate taht you would be near the bottom of the PPA rankings?
Is it just me, or, does it seem odd that two guys who each had an OBP of nearly .400 last season are below the league average in PPA after nearly two weeks of baseball? Holliday’s 2010 walk rate is 2.6%; his career walk rate is 8.8% and he has been over 10% in each of the last two seasons. Lopez has a walk rate of 8.1%, which is well of his 2009 rate of over 10%, and below his career average of 9.2%. Yaid’s walk rate is 6.5%. His walk rates for his career has been 7.2% and he walked at a rate of 8.8% last season (but only 6.5% the year prior). So, it would seem that we are due to see our walk rates even out from three regulars, which ought to help the offense and drive up our PPA number as a team.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
hmmm, yeah I guess it would
I think Yadi is very good at fighting pitches off. Guess I didn’t make that very clear.
I’m sure the other guys will come round, walkrate-wise. 2 weeks is still a tiny sample, and as we’ve seen with Freese, Skip, and Lud, it only take a couple of good games to push a BA/OBP/BB% way up even when you’ve previously been struggling in such a SSS.
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by Felonius_Monk on Apr 16, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Holiday has 39 PAs
one more walk would put him at 5.2% and two more walks would put him at 7.8%. SSS i would assume.
Okay, someone please explain SSS
to me. I must have missed the origin story.
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by musialsuspects on Apr 16, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Ah. Right.
I always like the “Fun with SSS” figures early on in the season.
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by musialsuspects on Apr 16, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Molina
doesn’t look right to me offensively so far this year. Not exactly sure why, but he obviously is swinging at more pitches than in the past, as frog’s data shows. It’s almost as if he’s been listening to the talk that he is expected to have a big offensive year and drive in 75-80 runs, and how he’s such a clutch hitter, etc. – and trying to prove all that rather than maintain his patience at the plate. Hope he settles down.
He's swinging at pitches in the zone at the same rate as always
but he’s swinging out-of-zone (32%) a bit higher than his career rate (25%), and is making less contact than usual. Still, like I said above, it’s a tiny sample of games. Just half a dozen or so extra out of zone swings on marginal balls could’ve made that much difference, and equally, it only takes one game of stout hitting to bring his contact % back to normal. I don’t think it’s anything to worry about.
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by Felonius_Monk on Apr 16, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Anybody see Molina the other night...
It was a game this last weekend and I can’t remember who was pitching, but it looked like Yadi was trying to be someone else. He took the first two for stikes…which I never see him do…and then swung akwardly at the third. It was almost like he went up there saying to himself, “I’m not going to swing at the first pitch.”
His oblique is probably not 100% yet.
It may be affecting his approach.
You can read it in any tone you like.
Mean or median?
It’s still early enough in the season that the means can be skewed by one or two absurdly long, 10-pitch PAs.
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by StanTheManFan on Apr 16, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
there it is
at this point in the season it’s too early to be giving too much credence to any percentile stats. Granted, just about everyone, including myself, is eager to start eyeballing tendencies to get a feel for the team. This is probably particularly true of the hitting stats due to the change in coaches in that arena.
So, I agree with you and with bgh’s above comment on the numbers eventually grouping somewhere closer to the career norms of the aforementioned dudes.
On the other hand, it can be kind of cool to isolate things early on and track them over the course of the season. That’s how I took Mr. UpBaby’s post anyway
They say sing while you slave but I just get bored
by Scarecrow7775 on Apr 16, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
A few notes from Springfield.
Last night was the home opener for your AA affiliate, which means we got to see a Cardinals HOFer throw out the first pitch – in this case, the fresh-from-the-red-suit-tailor Whitey Herzog. It also means we got a chance to get an idea of what our home team will look like this season. All in all, they looked pretty good – stringing together some hits, scoring with two outs, not allowing many runs – and came away with the dub, an 8-3 victory.
• The starting matchup featured a soft-tossing lefty vs. a soft-tossing lefty – Nick Additon for the S-Cards and Richard Bleier for Frisco. Additon has the kind of delivery that makes your head hurt a little bit – pausing for a split second on the extreme end of the wind up, not the least bit fluid, but he was generally effective. The speed gun tracker was sporadic at best, displaying every fourth or fifth pitch, but I swear I saw it throw up a 59 on one of Additon’s pitches – for the most part, he was running in the upper 80s on his heat and mid-70s on his off-speed pitches. I can’t remark much about his location – we were on the third base side, just perpendicular of the catcher – but in the fourth, he was more erratic, putting a ball in the dirt that skittered past Hill and scored a run; then, in the sixth, he started running it high or in the dirt. As for Bleier, he was knocked around pretty good, but he fielded his position very well.
• Frisco has an infielder named Greene. There are scads of them, apparently. And we have a guy named Luna (an outfielder, though).
• Player of the game would go to the resident first-rounder, Pete Kozma. Kozma came into the game batting .200 for the young season but, in his second AB, sent the first pitch over the wall in left-center during the bottom of the third. He knocked in two with a nice single in the bottom of the sixth, and then reached on an error in the bottom of the eighth, knocking in Ad-Ron Chambers. (ROE are counted as at-bats but not hits, but how do you record runs scored by ROEs?) He also made some nice plays in the field, but was charged with an error after knocking down a bad hop and not making the throw to first in time. Unfortunately, that runner came around to score. Other than that, his range and velocity to first looked good.
• There were two couples behind us that talked the entire time about all sorts of meaningless drivel and even made some comment about “that’s what happens when you put a bunch of Pollocks on a plane,” or something to that effect. Thankfully, they left before the sixth, but not until they stood in the aisle right next to me, continuing to blah blah blah blah blah. Oh, and they thought the capital of Michigan was Ann Arbor, even though an in-between-inning-promotion clearly stated it was Lansing. These were middle-aged people, too. Just the worst.
• Web gem goes to Daryl Jones who went horizontal to nab a fly ball in left during the top of the seventh. He also was HBP and then RBI’d by Ad-Ron in the bottom of the sixth, and later had a beaut of a hit down the right-field line to lead off the eighth. His buddy Ad-Ron knocked him in again with a triple to right. He was batting, atypically, eighth in the order. Pop explained it was to break up his leadoff man (Ad-Ron), also a lefty, and his number two guy (DJ) to avoid a LOOGY attack late in the game.
• T-shirt slingshot + luxury suite = t-shirts on the field. I always thought throwing out free t-shirts from a luxury suite was a bit presumptuous.
• Andrew Brown had a good game as well. He had a great double that hit the wall in right center in the third, and then a bomb to deep center with two outs in the fifth.
• The girlfriend commented that sponsor Bar-S Foods sounds like Bare-Ass Foods. Delicious!
• Eduardo Sanchez came in to close with two outs in the eighth and sent the first guy he faced down looking. He was the first pitcher to crack 90 on the intermittent speed gun. I really like his delivery – especially after watching the stop-and-go of Additon. All the outs in the ninth came off of batted balls. Blake King and Matt Meyer also pitched in relief.
• Thursday nights are $1 brat nights at Hammons Field, leading to every concession stand being backed up for the entire game. My buddy Philip (who wrote the song about the S-Cards) took one home with him and almost left it in my car (I was serving as DD at that point).
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by musialsuspects on Apr 16, 2010 9:12 AM EDT reply actions 9 recs
Oh, and
one of the batboys has completely outgrown his uniform. I expect split pants by early May.
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by musialsuspects on Apr 16, 2010 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions
I believe if you reach on an error it's counted as an out, and any run scored counts as an RBI
except if the scorer deems a DP would/should have been made (as you can’t get an RBI on a GIDP). So, basically the same rules as any ground out. Correct me if I’m wrong, fact fans…
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by Felonius_Monk on Apr 16, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
basically
an RBI will be credited if there are less than 2 out and it’s a play where a runner on third would normally score. If there are two outs when the error was made, no RBI . . . or, like you said, if there are less than two outs and the official scorer deems a double play was in order = no RBI also.
and this is what i get
for not reading before posting. Didn’t see that you had answered the question already. Guess that makes me the *
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Scoot.....
did you see my answer aboot your car the other day?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
i dont think so
haven’t been on much in the last couple of days. I’ll go dig it up.
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Read further
before emailing you. Its got somewhere around 90k on it so no go on the warranty. Ive got a coworker who is willing to help me with changing the O2 sensor if we can determine which one is the problem. It does have a bit of a rattle to it when you accelerate, which I would attribute to the manifold. I’m no expert at all though. Plan is to do as everyone suggested and replace the sensor and see if that fixes things.
If the manifold is the problem, will it cause the O2 sensor to go bad? Someone said something to me about resetting O2 sensors. Don’t really know what he was talking about though.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
No, the sensor shouldn't just go bad.
Do you have a loss of power? If not, I would just change the O2 sensor, and have the code reset..(an auto zone should be able to do that for you.) If the light comes back on, or if you are experiencing a loss of power right now, it probably means you have a clogged cat converter, and the O2 sensor may be a waste of money. I’ve seen too many people throw good money away by throwing parts at the problem. Why did the shop say that the manifold needed to be replaced, is really what I need to know to give you some more helpful advice.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
oh, I don't know
wife took it to the shop and I haven’t been home to see/hear an explanation yet. I emailed you, but its basically the same as the previous post so just ignore it.
It did act like it was going to die on us last weekend sitting at a light but it recovered and hasn’t done it again since then, as far as I know.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Find out that info, and email me again when you talk
to her or the shop, and I’ll chime in before you throw any money at it. Assuming your dealing with a reputable shop, they probably both do need changed. Just make sure that they have a reason for changing the manifold (restricted flow / clogged), not just, “you need to change this.”
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Eff off SBN
that may save you some money if you need to purchase a manifold.
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A bad manifold won't cause hte sensor to go bad but it WILL
cause the sensor to trip, both of which will trip the check engine light.
right, it could be either or.
The cat being clogged won’t cause the sensor to go bad, but it will cause it to send a code. Which in the diagnostic chart (this is an assumption depending on the code) may say check the O2 sensor, if it is passing its range test, move on to the manifold/cat. It’s damn near impossible to diagnose this without knowing what codes the car has.
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What I really want to know...
is how things are in Shelbyville.
by Mr. Wilson on Apr 16, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'll rec it
this is fanpost material, imo
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Apr 16, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
good call
rec #2
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by Felonius_Monk on Apr 16, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Thanks, guys.
Thought you’d like a dispatch from Springburg.
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by musialsuspects on Apr 16, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Must have been U of Michigan grads.
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by StanTheManFan on Apr 16, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Matt Meyer!!
I want him to make the big league club so badly. My pick for shut out LOOGY in 2011 or 2012. Also, we have the same name … so there’s that.
by QuadCitiesCardsFan on Apr 16, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, a sidearm/submarine lefty is always fun.
On the other hand, last night he came in and promptly gave up a hit to the one lefty he faced. LOOGY fail.
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by musialsuspects on Apr 16, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I quite like Sam Crawford
although I think he’s injured now. Not so sure about Norrick. I guess we’ll see. LOOGYs are pretty cheap & fungible these days anyhow, so it’s debatable as to how much actual value internally derived ones have (if, for instance, you can employ Dennys Reyes and Trever Miller for a combined $3m or so).
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by Felonius_Monk on Apr 16, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
sam freeman?
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
is injured synonymous with dead?
two records crawford holds: most career triples (309) and most inside-park homers for a season (12) – he had 51 for his career, but that is only second.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I was there too
I didn’t see the same things you did out of Kozma defensively. I didn’t see any “nice defensive plays,” but there were definitely some blunders. There was that one bad hop that I can’t blame him for, but he hasn’t looked so great defensively to me (this year or last). I’ll be there again tonight and I’ll pay close attention.
The Godfather himself has decided to grace us with his presence. This is his damn house. He sleeps 20 feet away.
by thegodfather on Apr 16, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, he wasn't great,
but I would’ve expected worse from a AA-level shortstop this early in the season.
@aaronjscott
by musialsuspects on Apr 16, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
That one play was a tough error
I didn’t really see anything bad from Kozma, although nothing really caught my eye either (other than his offense).
to attempt to answer your scoring question
that is up to the official scorer, i believe. If the batter would have been the last out, no RBI is awarded and if the scorer deems that the runner would not have been able to score then no RBI is given. I think. I’m sure there’s someone here who can give a more definitive answer. I haven’t scored a game in a few years though.
On another note about the S-Cards, I know the * who got hired to allegedly keep score this year for them. He’s an * because he’s a Cubs fan. Opens up a lot of good jokes though, like ’how does a cubs fan enjoy watching good baseball? He goes to a Cardinals minor league game." Or somethin.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
had the crowd left?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Some
But that’s usually the way it is. Although, I was a bit surprised that there weren’t at least a few more people at the stands due to it being $1 brat night.
Maybe they mis-interpreted it
and assumed they could buy a snot-nosed kid for $1?
by Ghostrider520 on Apr 16, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
pedophile nite?
now that would be some promotion.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Somehow
there were 7,063 paid (pretty weak for a semi-ceremonious occasion) yet 18,000+ brats sold, methinks.
@aaronjscott
by musialsuspects on Apr 16, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Slightly less than the generally accepted 3 brat per person
average.
by Ghostrider520 on Apr 16, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah - must have been a lot of 2-brat kids
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
There were only 7,000 there?
It seemed closer to a sell out than that, but I suppose the long concession lines made it near impossible to see how full the stadium was at the beginning of the game when everyone was still there.
Seems like it would've been more logical
to bring trays and trays of brats into the stands and pass them along.
Just my “never been in charge of anything” 2 cents.
by Ghostrider520 on Apr 16, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
have the cards not been drawing?
commenters at crawfish boxes, watching on tv, were a little snarky about the turnout of “the best fans in baseball”
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Apparently 106% full on opening day was spotty turnout.
by Ghostrider520 on Apr 16, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Here's a shot midway through the game.
Those are the cheap box seats down the 3B line. A lot of empty seats for an opener.
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by musialsuspects on Apr 16, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I think that's in reference to the MLB opener......
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Also, Dave Concepcion.
the whole series
did one game not draw or something?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Yesterday afternoon
only had about 35,000.
Understandable though. Early in the season, 2 afternoon games in one week.
by Ghostrider520 on Apr 16, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm sorry
that some of the best fans in baseball ACTUALLY HAVE JOBS.
@aaronjscott
by musialsuspects on Apr 16, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
That's over 20K+
than what Cincy had in the afternoon game against us last week.
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by musialsuspects on Apr 16, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
in that verducci article i linked to
three teams have already set their club records for low attendance in a game this year – baltimore, cleveland, and toronto, who ranked 1-2-3 respectively in attendance in 1995.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
When I read that comment, I thought it
was pretty early in the game, and figured it would fill up.
They drew roughly 36K for the games on wed and thursday, compared to 47K for the opener, which for 2 day games against Houston is respectable, imo.
linki1, linki2, linki3
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dude looks strange pitching
i was talking about the big club though – crawfish boxes is the stros sbn blog
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I think it's partly
“the economy” and partly the fact we’re six seasons in now. I wouldn’t be surprised if this season turns out to be flat compared to last season.
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by musialsuspects on Apr 16, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Attendance was down last year
but I hear that attendance was down practically in all the minors last year.
i'm not reading all of that. oh who am kidding, i did.
it was my little cuzz’z first evar pro ball game. saw a couple pics last night & she looked adorable in her Cardinals shirt.
Hope is the worst of all evils, for it prolongs the torment of man
nice. i live in michigan
and have known all my life that lansing is the state’s capital. ann arbor’s a nice city though – i live not far from there.
See, Danup, you took last night's game
and made me feel not so bad about it. Hahah.
Love to win every game but that ain’t gonna happen.
what is it like?
do i need to get tickets and check it out
one of my dogs is afraid of people and i have no idea what it might do
It is great
if you have a cool dog, although I guess there were plenty of people who had dogs that were just dicks too, so maybe that caveat doesn’t even hold up.
People get all u can eat/drink (good food, beer/soda), a goody bag w/ dog stuff (last year they gave a portable water bowl, etc.), and you get to walk around the perimeter of the field w/ your pooch. Take pictures, even though they will try to herd you along.
Our logic was “Eff it, we just spent like $100 per ticket. Gimme 10 seconds to take a photo of me and my wife and dog on the goddamn field.”
Well the thing about that
is that you would obviously need to watch your dog. Last year’s actual “seat” tickets were in this seating area in the OF (near the Scoreboard Patio). So you sit at these high tables with your dog, but all the food/drink is on the concourse.
So if you’re solo it might be somewhat difficult to juggle a dog, beer, and plate of food all at once. Just FYI.
help me
sorry for reposting this but i want to ask anyone in the stl metro with dish network, if fsn mw blacks out cardinals home games
thanks
I haven't noticed it
If it’s ever blacked out, it’s b/c the game is on ESPN or maybe aired on one of the networks (usually only weekend games). I really don’t think I’ve been kept from watching a single game I’ve wanted to watch since moving here.
In other news
my new netbook came today so I’ll FINALLY get to watch some action live on mlb tv. Any day games this weekend? It’d be nice to see a Waino win vs the Pondscum.
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Saturday
The Saturday game is on Fox in the DC area for me. I think those games are usually blacked out by Fox nationally, but that might be something the work-arounds are made for in the fanpost, I think. Haven’t read it in detail though
The Sunday game is the ESPN game again
DAMMIT
I’ll be in Mexico on Sunday night. Free margaritas, but probably soccer on ESPN.
Footer claims we were defeated by boy bands
http://footer.mlblogs.com/archives/2010/04/dealing_with_a_losing_streak_t.html
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Stop! Thief!
Who is trying to take the bat out of Pujols’ hand in the photo? As if taking his bat could stop The Mang….
"I always thought he was very handsome. I liked his eyes" - My late Grandmother referring to Rogers Hornsby
Bat-Burglar,
a distant cousing of Hamburglar.
@aaronjscott
by musialsuspects on Apr 16, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Humorous tweet.
From FJM (and Parks and Rec) writer Ken Tremendous:
The Astros are paying Carlos Lee $18.5 million this year. Other years when they will be doing that include: next year, and the year after.
I will apply this to the Cubs, as well.
The Cubs are paying Alfonso Soriano $18MM this year. Other years when they will be doing that include: next year, the year after that, the year after that, and the year after that.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Small bear Chatter Has it....
…that Soriano will be dumped or traded before the end of the year if his downward spiral cowtinues. Cubs would have to much munch munch a good portion of that salary for this to be feasible, so it works out for us either way. I foresee him going to an AL club, where his crappy D won’t be as much of an issue. I might have predicted White Sox, udder than I am pretty sure he’d be run out of Chi-town by then, and not even Ozzie’s dragon wings cud protect this lil hobbit. I vote Seattle.
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
I doubt Seattle
Baltimore sounds perfect.
by Mr. Wilson on Apr 16, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Why?
do they really need to spend $5-10m a year for the next four years on a crappy left-fielder, when they’ve got a pretty nice, young outfield?
FWIW, I think Soriano is basically untouchable. There’s no way they’ll want to eat $70m+ of a $90m deal to get rid of him, and there’s no way anyone would trade for him unless they did that. Basically, I think Hendry gets canned by the end of the year, and they retain Soriano for the next 5 years, or until he’s so bad he’s out of baseball (which may come first, I think he’ll be 38 at the end of the deal). I actually think he’ll bounce back a bit, too, and be sorta average or a bit below for the next two years until finally collapsing into worst-player-in-baseball territory after that.
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by Felonius_Monk on Apr 16, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
it would have been a typical baltimore move
some years ago, but not now.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I think they should trade him to Seattle for Bradley.
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by Felonius_Monk on Apr 16, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
ah, my bad
didn’t realize common knowledge had made it sort of a running joke – so i’m going to rec that comment of yours
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I think Seattle...
will be holding their cards close to their chest until this winter when they can have a crack at Prince Fielder.
by The Classical on Apr 16, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
it'll be interesting what they do
they have lee this year only, right, so it would seem they planned on winning this year, but to do that might need to make a move for gonzalez or something (or fielder if he becomes available – is this his free-agent year – i thought he had one more?)
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
yeah, I saw that
that would be one big mother of a shit sandwich for the northsiders. Man, that would be beautiful. Bwahahahaha (fiddles with the right-side end of his handle bar mustache)!
They say sing while you slave but I just get bored
by Scarecrow7775 on Apr 16, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
will they still be paying his salary?
cause i don’t see what gm will be dumb enough to pay for that crap..
that's the thing
who could they trade him too UNLESS they picked a large portion of that ample contract? One way or another, they are going to be losing a shit ton of money on Soriano, even if they keep him.
They say sing while you slave but I just get bored
by Scarecrow7775 on Apr 16, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
at this point though
it almost looks like it’s better to remove him from the club even if that means releasing him
he’s not really even producing anything worth mentioning, is he?
really that's the problem
even if the cubs picked up all but 5 mil per year of his contract, can he be worth that – big gamble.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
for the next two or three years, I think he can
after that I think he’ll basically be worthless. So, no, I don’t think I’d want to pick him up for 5 years/ $25m.
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by Felonius_Monk on Apr 16, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
I think everyone is seriously over-reacting to a year in which he was banged up and unlucky
he’s nowhere near worth his salary, and his defense stinks, but it still seems fairly likely that he’s an average offensive player.
He had horrible BABIP luck last year, perhaps partly due to declining speed and his various knee ailments, and I think being banged up didn’t help. Whilst he’s not getting any younger, or any better, and his injuries will continue to restrict him, you have to think 2009 was a bit of an abberation.
He’s been a better than average fielder before that, and a better hitter, too. He was also worth nearly 9 wins the two previous seasons combined as a Cub. I think he’s fallen away, and a lot, due to injury, but his swing profile and batted ball profiles are much the same as they were pre-2009, so if he gets healthy and regains a bit of form and luck, I think he’ll be back to being at least an average player again.
Just canning a guy you’ve got $90m invested in because he’s had one horrible year would be ridiculous.
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by Felonius_Monk on Apr 16, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
i wasn't referring so much to the bad 2009
but also to the fact that he seems to be the club cancer.
i wonder if him and milton bradley are best buds
I dunno, he's a bit of an ego
but I’ve not really heard anything suggesting he’s any more of a “clubhouse cancer” than your average egotistical star player.
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by Felonius_Monk on Apr 16, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
me either
the fans hate him now, but he’s never been known as a loner in the clubhouse. worst i can say is he’s a bit of a prima donna, which is what i think you’re saying
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
oh yeah
and that -0.7 WAR for $18m in 2009 is pretty malignant, in fact…
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by Felonius_Monk on Apr 16, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
His fielding stats have been bolstered by his strong arm.
As teams have stopped challenging him, his numbers have gotten worse. I think he will find himself a negative value in every facet of the game, and soon. I say “soon” because, like you, I think his offense will bounce back. I just don’t know how much of a bounce it will be, though. In a couple years, he will be worthless.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Which begs the question...
Why hasn’t anyone tried him at 3rd base?
His problems in the infield were due to poor movement and range at second base, but he’s got a cannon for an arm, why couldn’t he play 3B passably?
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Generally, I don't know.
Specifically, because Aramis Ramirez plays third base passably and hits more than passably for the Cubs.
I also think that they placed him in the defensive position where you hide a no-glove slugger.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Well, looking at where he's played...
The Yankees could have done it, but they traded for A-Rod instead.
The Rangers had Hank Blalock there, and that’s before Hank Blalock became a shitty baseball player due to various injuries.
The Nationals had Zimmerman there, so that doesn’t work.
Looking at it, you can see why the clubs that he’s played for didn’t do it, but why some other team didn’t make a move for him and then put him at the hot corner is beyond me.
They did put him in the right spot, when they signed him. Now he’s turned into a no-glove, mediocre-to-crap-bat player, and he would play much better if he could be an average 3B.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Of course, given his grouchiness
about where he bats in the lineup, and before he finally moved to the OF, insisting on being a 2B, who wants to risk anything of value to trade for him on the hopes that he would entertain a move to 3B.
I echo the sentiments that he’s probably not a clubhouse cancer, but it would be a stretch the opposite way to assume that he’s going to be the consummate team player and move to yet another position.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Apr 16, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, ramirez is their best player
and i know there was talk of moving him to first (since that may be opening up), but the general consensus, in chicago at least, was that he couldn’t adequately field the position.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I imagine that they're clinging to the notion that he can turn it around.
Paying someone that much for that long tends to breed patience. Well, not patience so much as fear, loathing and the sinking realization that he’s yours forever.
I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.
by The Continental on Apr 16, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Billy Beane
he’ll probably trade 5 dead-end prospects for him and then turn around and get 4 top-notch prospects while the Cubs pick up 90% of the salary.
by Mr. Wilson on Apr 16, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The look on Cubs fan's faces if Beane got 4 good prospects for him....
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
would be like the look if dunc turned mark prior into bruce sutter.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I'm telling youall to knock on wood!
There may be a storyline exactly like this … except replace Cubs with Cards and Soriano with Holliday. I’m just sayin’.
by QuadCitiesCardsFan on Apr 16, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
at least we never expected holliday to steal bases
so there’s that
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
The more I see us talk about guys like Lee and Soriano ...
The more this contract scares me though. 7 years is a long time.
by QuadCitiesCardsFan on Apr 16, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Again, as with Lee
Soriano has never been anything like the hitter Holliday is. Soriano’s career wOBA is .357, his highest single season before he signed that $136m deal with the cubs was .378 back in 2002.
Matt Holliday’s CAREER wOBA is .400. His LOWEST year (excepting his rookie season) was .375. So, basically, Matt Holliday’s worst season is about equivalent to Soriano’s best with the bat, before each guy signed their deals. Also, Holliday will be two years younger when his deal ends. If he falls off a cliff as badly as Soriano has, it’ll be after 4 years of solid production, not 2.
He’s also being paid less than Soriano, and (taking inflation and deferred payments into account) will be being paid considerably less in his last couple of years.
Although you could probably argue their relative defensive merits either way (and I think Holliday’s D could suck in 3-4 years), Holliday might be a better left fielder now than Soriano’s been at any point in his tenure.
Anyways, there’s a lot of differences there. I think Holliday could be an albatross, too, but for at least 4-5 years I think he’ll be an above average player.
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by Felonius_Monk on Apr 16, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
This is true ...
I guess I forget just how good Holliday’s numbers have been. I even wrote about it when the contract was signed. I was a huge supporter. I stated that he was probably the 2nd best player to be hitting the market in the next few years, by OPS+ measurements.
by QuadCitiesCardsFan on Apr 16, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
danup
good job adding that last disclaimer-like line.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
anybody click on that big league stew link in the right margin
about the phillie fan intentionally throwing up on the little girl?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
You stay classy Philadelphia
I’m off to Citizen’s Bank to see the Cards play there next month…. hmmmm….
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by Felonius_Monk on Apr 16, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
...
I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.
by The Continental on Apr 16, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
hahaha
Note: Above comment may contain gratuitous amounts of sarcasm.
BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS
Hey Houston,
Suck it; you suck
I'll also be there....
Monday, May 3rd, unless I’m in Italy by then.
If I can avoid being puked on or lasered, then I’ll take that as a plus.
by The Classical on Apr 16, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
just wear protective goggles
and a trash bag.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Ach, my eyes!
The goggles, they do nothing!
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
hmmm
"they make an adjustment or look into it, ultimately, somebody's going to get hurt" Carp was seen yelling at the home plate umpire
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 16, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
i am rather confused by it
My system is under 2 weeks old and I run AVG daily. I can’t find a virus on my computer and I didn’t even click the link PJ sent me.
by FlimtotheFlam on Apr 16, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Flim
Did you send out a mass email today? I’m thinking it’s from you but there is no subject and the only content is a link so I’m weary to click it.
The Godfather himself has decided to grace us with his presence. This is his damn house. He sleeps 20 feet away.
by thegodfather on Apr 16, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't click it
I am trying to figure out how it happened
by FlimtotheFlam on Apr 16, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Gotcha, thanks
The Godfather himself has decided to grace us with his presence. This is his damn house. He sleeps 20 feet away.
by thegodfather on Apr 16, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I got one from you too, Flim.
A link to google docs.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I got one of those, but it was from vexedtechie, not PJ
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
is vexedtechie's email
a gmail account?
there might be a trend here
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
we're also all computer nerds
new spambot that preys on the gmail accounts of the tech savvy?
seems like a strange target
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
i really don't know what happened
i didn’t get anything similar to it recently. i’m not infected with any malicious software. i guess my password just gut hacked
i don’t have an sent items since changing my password
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
I did not receive anything but an apology
"they make an adjustment or look into it, ultimately, somebody's going to get hurt" Carp was seen yelling at the home plate umpire
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 16, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
from me?
i didn’t know i had your email
at least i know that everyone didn’t get some kind of weird shit from me
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
I wondered why you asked me to marry you.
By the way, the answer is yes.
by Tom_Lawless_Bat_Flip on Apr 16, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
this is gonna be a problem then
he asked me too
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
i wonder how many others are out there?
this could be of tiger woods proportions.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
sweet!
did you really get an email from me?
are you in viva el league or something? cos i don’t remember having your email
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
Not really. Just looking for a sugar daddy. Without the sex.
by Tom_Lawless_Bat_Flip on Apr 16, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
if you like it, you should put a ring on it
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Apr 16, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
if any of you bastards try & f my shiznit up with funky emails there will be hell to pay
Hope is the worst of all evils, for it prolongs the torment of man
very informative, good read
rec
"they make an adjustment or look into it, ultimately, somebody's going to get hurt" Carp was seen yelling at the home plate umpire
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 16, 2010 12:43 PM EDT reply actions
If Rasmus gets the start against the lefty Perez tonight,
I look for a bounce-back game from him. He looked pretty bad yesterday afternoon. It’s the first sign I’ve seen of him reverting to his 2009 habits.
Agreed.
Mather will be in center either tonight or tomorrow afternoon, unless Colby starts tonight and has a monster game.
by Ghostrider520 on Apr 16, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he should probably sit vs Santana.
New patient Colby seems pretty well set against a guy (like Oli) who doesn’t know where the hell the ball is going. Less so against a lefty with good control and an awesome changeup (Santana).
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by Felonius_Monk on Apr 16, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
i agree he'll sit one of the games
a good time to get bombs some playing time. i also think he’ll sit vs. santana, though if he plays i’d think santana would work him with the slider rather than the change.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Keeping up with the theme...
4 Cardinal regulars are hitless at home this year (3 games):
Boog (0-6)
Colby (0-11)
Yadi (0-9)
Holliday (0-11)
by Ghostrider520 on Apr 16, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
thank the lord for the stros
hard to take 2 of 3 from anyone else doing that (and we didn’t even face oswalt)
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
thank the Gods of Olympus
for the gift of The Centiquid.
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by Felonius_Monk on Apr 16, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
that too
even though it was the second game, it could sort of be viewed as the rubber match
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Pretty awesome performance
that said, a major league pitcher really ought to be able to shut down a AA offense….
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by Felonius_Monk on Apr 16, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
i'm hoping there was an overkill factor
in that he could’ve gotten the same results with B- stuff but threw A+ stuff that would’ve looked good even against the phils
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
it looks like career-wise carp doesn't fare well vs the mets. hopefully he turns it around
or maybe we’ll have a barn burner!
"they make an adjustment or look into it, ultimately, somebody's going to get hurt" Carp was seen yelling at the home plate umpire
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 16, 2010 1:08 PM EDT reply actions
I'm hoping for no rain.
It would be just his luck that he (Carpenter) cruises through 3 innings, only to be pulled after a rain delay.
by Ghostrider520 on Apr 16, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I really hope it doesn't rain tonight too
here’s Carp’s stats vs Mets though not horrible, he seems to not fare as well: 1-4 with a 4.80 ERA
probably good chance to change it around tonight though if it doesn’t rain.
tomorrow I get to watch Garcia again on Sat. afternoon, looking forward to that (gonna miss tonight’s game tho)
"they make an adjustment or look into it, ultimately, somebody's going to get hurt" Carp was seen yelling at the home plate umpire
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 16, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
but the mets were a pretty good team for most of those starts, i'd suppose
wonder if delgado and/or beltran gave him trouble, because he won’t have to worry about them.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
But against the actual Mets...
vs. Jason Bay … 2-for-26, 1 HR, 12 K — .077/.172/.192
vs. Luis Castillo … 7-for-23, 0 K — .304/.360/.435
vs. Gary Matthews Jr. … 6-for-12, 1 K — .500/.500/.583
vs. Fernando Tatis … 1-for-11, 3 K — .091/.091/.091
vs. Jeff Francoeur … 3-for-10, 2 K — .300/.300/.600
vs. David Wright … 2-for-9, 3 K — .222/.222/.222
vs. Jose Reyes … 1-for-6, 1 K — .167/.286/.167
nice
watch out for Gary!
"they make an adjustment or look into it, ultimately, somebody's going to get hurt" Carp was seen yelling at the home plate umpire
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 16, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
i hope he plays
he won’t be getting to balls like frickin’ bourn.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
He's only struck out Francouer twice?
That has to change
"There's a new sheriff in town." - Brendan Ryan
by jd is legend on Apr 16, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Good job
Working Ray Lankford into another post Dan. Brilliant.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
hey moocow
I’ve enjoyed the bye week in the espn league, how about you? was good timing, I have a few players who are hurt
NOCAYFT
"they make an adjustment or look into it, ultimately, somebody's going to get hurt" Carp was seen yelling at the home plate umpire
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 16, 2010 1:32 PM EDT reply actions
I got beat by an computer picked team
last week…But I’m rolling this week.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
heh
a computer picked team won my yahoo league last season… actually it did in both seasons. but I’ve customized the scoring more for that this year.
in the official VEB league, a fought fang to a standstill the first week. I can’t figure out how I’m doing against the current team I’m playing though, cbssports seems a little more obscure than espn or yahoo
"they make an adjustment or look into it, ultimately, somebody's going to get hurt" Carp was seen yelling at the home plate umpire
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 16, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
my exact same result
but that was like half the league it appears
"they make an adjustment or look into it, ultimately, somebody's going to get hurt" Carp was seen yelling at the home plate umpire
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 16, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
OT: Anyone watch the show Spartacus: Blood and Sand
I just recently started to watch the show and quite enjoy it. It is a definitely a man’s show. It is full of blood and boobs
Started it...stopped after two episodes
I kept finding myself comparing it to HBO’s “Rome”, which was one of the best shows of the last 10 years (then Kevin McKidd decided to go all pussyfoot and go on Grey’s Anatomy…GAH!).
There’s too much of Spartacus: B&S that’s just sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo fucking conceptualized. They tried to cross “Spartacus” with “Gladiator”. Just didn’t work for me.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Honestly it does kind of suck the first 3 episodes or so
It seriously starts kicking ass though the last 5 or 6 episodes
by FlimtotheFlam on Apr 16, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe I'll pick it up On-Demand
But finding the time to do that is not likely. I have at least 45 hours booked up on my DVR that I’m probably never getting through.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Is it in HD there though?
I have the cheapest available Netflix subscription, mainly for streaming older movies and television I can’t get on-demand. And for them to keep my movie ratings for me for $6 a month.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Looks good on my HD TV.
Not sure if it is Blu-Ray quality, but it’s not standard def crap.
by Ghostrider520 on Apr 16, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
That's saying something.
Since Wii is non-HD.
by Ghostrider520 on Apr 16, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Somehow the phrase
“I’ve been streaming through my Wii” doesn’t seem quite right.
by Ghostrider520 on Apr 16, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, you should really get that checked out.
@aaronjscott
by musialsuspects on Apr 16, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Aren't you supposed to stream through your Wii?
I mean, if it comes out somewhere else THAT is when you have a problem.
You can read it in any tone you like.
Or if it burns while streaming.
by Tom_Lawless_Bat_Flip on Apr 16, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm really excited about that
Got the disc in the mail the other day
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
It's pretty cool.
I’m not super thrilled with some of the limitations, but the quality of the streaming is the most important thing.
You can read it in any tone you like.
it is what it is
I didn’t go into it expecting anything, but had a few beers with a friend and we turned it on and it was like 300 the TV show..with a ton of boobs. It’s not like you’re watching for the acting or plot like Rome, you’re watching because it’s pretty badass.
And that's fine....
but I’d rather watch Sons of Anarchy and Justified (and Rescue Me is back shortly) on F/X, which are much better shows. I turn on mindless shows like this and I find myself looking for something else to do.
Breaking Bad is awesome. Treme comes out soon (new show from David Simon, creator of The Wire). Party Down is back soon. Mad Men is amazing. The Pacific has been great. Nurse Jackie.
There’s just too many other good shows to watch that I have to cut something somewhere.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Treme started last weekend.
‘twas a good opener, but I’m going to be calling Bunk and Lester’s characters Bunk and Lester for awhile.
yeah, i'm not even sure what their characters' names are at this point
and i could easily do w/ less steve zahn
I'm actually quite interested to see what Steve Zahn can do
Given some time and the natural maturation of the show, I bet all the characters flesh out quite a bit.
by LandSickness on Apr 16, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I've got the opener on the DVR
Waiting for my 3 week old to decide NOT to cry for an hour straight before I try to get through it.
So talk to me in like……August. I should be able to watch it by then.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
+1 on the tv shows you just declared.
i miss the shield.
"...and pujols has given st louis the lead"
The Best Defensive Play I Have Seen in Person
follow me on teh twitterz @greenfieldt
What he said.
a distant second is Defying Gravity. Anyone catch that last year? Had potential.
@aaronjscott
by musialsuspects on Apr 16, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Great show.
Not earth-shattering or thought-provoking, but an all-around solid show. It has gotten better and better this season, in my opinion.
How can I work another hyphenated word into this post…hmmm…mind-boggling.
by Ghostrider520 on Apr 16, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
after the gay sex scene in episode 5 i stopped watching
that was just too f’ing much to take. it was a dumb show anyway, very cartoonish violence with a sex scene thrown in once a show. they could have done a lot better, but they just went for the lowest common denominator & i find laziness like that very off putting.
Hope is the worst of all evils, for it prolongs the torment of man
they probably did it more then than now, i don't care, i just don't want to see it
Hope is the worst of all evils, for it prolongs the torment of man
That's fine, but calling it laziness and "the lowest common denominator" is weak
when it’s really all about your preference to not see it.
You can read it in any tone you like.
i was talking the show overall, not the gay sex
Hope is the worst of all evils, for it prolongs the torment of man
probably should have split it up better then
Hope is the worst of all evils, for it prolongs the torment of man
don't know the show
but if this is tony curtis campy gladiator type stuff, that’s a demographic, gdm, and an affluent one much targeted (tony curtis gladiator stuff is de rigeur in certain quarters as much as miracle on 34th street is at christmas) – get with the program(ming)!
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Joey, have you ever been in a... in a Turkish prison?
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
i've been in a turkish bath
in istanbul – does that count?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Have you ever been in a cockpit before
(Kind of ruined my question about seeing a grown man naked)
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
well, my uncle had a 5-seater
and i used to fly in the front with him, but don’t know if that qualifies as a cockpit.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I sometimes cannot tell if you are being coy or if you
actually do not catch the Airplane! references
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
i often cannot tell myself
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
i loved 300, but this show is just stupid
Hope is the worst of all evils, for it prolongs the torment of man
I don't blame you
a lot of these shows are soft core porn masquerading as Histo-dramas they play up the nudity sex angle trying to draw in an audience but in the end alienate a large section of their target audience(see The Tudors).
I may very well be a bit repressed but when I think of the dramas I have enjoyed the most(House, Mad Men, The Shield) they focused more on the internal struggle of humans and let the steamy stuff be peripheral
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
every slightly pudgy balding man likes to imagine that he is vic
that character was just so damn good, and even with some of the slightly cartoonish characters that arose in the show it was just so consistently intense
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
Right
off to my volleyball club end-of-season dinner. Which means I’ll probably be very, very drunk by the time the game starts tonight. Maybe see some of you good folks in the game threads at the weekend.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
OT
Carp had a perfect game going into the 8th against the Rangers on MLB 10 The Show and had it erased by Chris Davis. Still haven’t had a perfect game or no-no on a video game, but I’ve been no hit once before.
i think the "no one cares about your fantasy team"
encompasses video game seasons also.
/just kidding around, but not kidding (f’n zoomzoom)
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Apr 16, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
NOCAYVG
"they make an adjustment or look into it, ultimately, somebody's going to get hurt" Carp was seen yelling at the home plate umpire
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 16, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I threw a no-hitter one time
On MVP 04 I took Pedro and the Red Sox and played like the Devil Rays or some shitty team on the easiest difficulty. It was an easy no-hitter, and it would have been a perfect game if Trot Nixon (?) hadn’t dropped a fly ball in RF. You’ve never put it on the easiest difficulty just to throw a no-hitter?
Also, on MVP, I was playing my Cardinals season, and on Opening Day I had a perfect game through 6 with Matt Morris. Then I heard a knock on the door, and went to see who it was. It was the Mormons, wanting to talk to me. I politely declined, and gave up a base hit in my first pitch back. Bad omen, eh?
"There's a new sheriff in town." - Brendan Ryan
by jd is legend on Apr 16, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
fascinating, jd
and good thing it wasn’t the jehovah’s witnesses
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
i've been playing mvp way too much lately.
mvp 05 is still the best baseball video game out there.
"...and pujols has given st louis the lead"
The Best Defensive Play I Have Seen in Person
follow me on teh twitterz @greenfieldt
Posnanski discussing Wezenball HR trot timer.
It doesn’t get much better than this, and here is a section with which I wholeheartedly agree:
But, among typical players, the fastest home run trot of the year was by Scott Rolen (18 seconds exactly). … I am entirely fascinated with Scott Rolen. I’m thinking about doing a big piece on him; I just think the guy has had a spectacularly interesting career, and I love the way he plays. That quick home run trot to me sort of defines the guy.
It’s a wonderful piece that mentions Yadi, Pujols, and photos of bullpen car(t)s.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
has Luddy went deep this year?
Would be interesting to see his time around the bases. He’s a guy that gets around pretty quick too and I love it. Act like you’ve done it before!
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
the guy on cincy last year
who was traded to oakland – might be a little too fast
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
rosales?
did you read the article? His HR “trot” was faster than Stephen Drew’s inside the park homer!?!?!
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
yeah, i posted my comment and then read the article
it was rosales i was thinking of. great read (thanks for the link, bgh). as always i enjoyed many of the comments, one of which linked to this:
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0FCI/is_1_65/ai_n15971195/
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
speaking of soriano (and papi, and burrell...and big z)
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
he killed a gatorade cooler
"they make an adjustment or look into it, ultimately, somebody's going to get hurt" Carp was seen yelling at the home plate umpire
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 16, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
funny verducci compared him to piniero and lohse
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
i'd definitely take piniero or lohse
but i guess so would the cubs
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Apr 16, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
i realize they had to unload bradley
but imo, zambrano for silva would have been a better deal for the cubs
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
he might be trying to be like them this year
haven’t seen it yet though. Verducci sure seems like a Cubs fan to me
"they make an adjustment or look into it, ultimately, somebody's going to get hurt" Carp was seen yelling at the home plate umpire
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 16, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
lohse 08 and pinata 09 are markedly better than z, epecially with that contract
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
and lohse '10 should be lohse '08, unless he gets hit again
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
hoping for maybe even pineiro '09
"they make an adjustment or look into it, ultimately, somebody's going to get hurt" Carp was seen yelling at the home plate umpire
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 16, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I was thinking this morning
re: the whole not sending Lohse home on that play last game – do you really want to send him, the guy who spent half the season last year on the DL due to non-pitching-related injuries, barreling into the catcher?
@aaronjscott
by musialsuspects on Apr 16, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
No.
Especially in a game that is “meaningless”, for lack of a more appropriate word.
by Ghostrider520 on Apr 16, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
i love the optimism around here regarding lohse
i dont hold it myself but it amazes me why so many think a career year is a likely norm to expect him to reach.
i expect him to be the worst of our current 5 pitchers in the rotation.
and hopefully that works as some kind of ironic jinx
but i doubt it
he could be the worst
and still above average. i look for him to throw like ‘08 when he was healthy, which is more indicative than last year when he wasn’t – and he has a better team behind him now (also, so far, so good!)
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
so if to mean he will put up a FIP around 4.5 and be the worst then yes, thats about his career norm
he moved all the way up to 4.16 in the mythical 2008. at a cursory glance this was driven by a career low in HR/9. not sure why you assume that year is the norm and not the outlier
his FIP in '08
was 3.89. his xFIP was 4.16. which already accounts for that HR/9 discrepancy you pointed out
he also had a career high GB% and a career low FB%
i don’t think a change in approach to too far out to consider
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
you could dissect pineiro's '09 in much the same way
but it was still a damn fine year
"they make an adjustment or look into it, ultimately, somebody's going to get hurt" Carp was seen yelling at the home plate umpire
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 16, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
i think that's what he's saying
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
yup
he can refer to me as the master of the obvious, or the great summer upper
"they make an adjustment or look into it, ultimately, somebody's going to get hurt" Carp was seen yelling at the home plate umpire
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 16, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions
duncan is why
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
i was going to watch that
but forgot – f’n houston blacked out here. another reason to hate them, for their proximity to new orleans.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
i thought that silva sucked?
am i falling prey to small sample size?
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Apr 16, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Large sample size.
Large suck.
The Cubs had to take him to get rid of Milton Bradley.
by Ghostrider520 on Apr 16, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm bored here at work
1) It’s Friday 2) My job is boring today 3) It is nice outside
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Apr 16, 2010 3:26 PM EDT reply actions
that sounds like tweet material
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Ugh
I can’t even keep my facebook account up to date…
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Apr 16, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not up on my 2010 memes
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Apr 16, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
@CJBeatty44
is a player in the Cardinals system. Has some interesting tweets.
by Ghostrider520 on Apr 16, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
gotcha
what are his tweets in regards to? (don’t have to answer if you feel im being entirely too lazy here)
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Apr 16, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Life as an extremely excitable Cardinals Minor Leaguer.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
good summation
i was mulling it, but you hit it on the head.
and, fredbird…i’m a sarcastic SOB, even double-edged (it was not tweet-worthy…but then again, as a knock also on twitter, it was)
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
no problem
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Apr 16, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
best friends forever?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
sure...
you can be my lone facebook friend
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Apr 16, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Hitting tips, general randomness.
Such as:
“BEST BBQ SAUCE EVER MADE……SWEET BABY RAYS (HONEY BBQ)….THAT IS A MUST FOR THE FRIDGE…DOES THE CHICKEN RIGHT SON!!!”
by Ghostrider520 on Apr 16, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
nice
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Apr 16, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Astros just doubled off the cubs on a bunt back to the pitcher
paulino to third to get soriano… then silva wasn’t running and they through him out at first
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Apr 16, 2010 3:30 PM EDT reply actions
Reason #5,437 that "wins" and "losses" are stupid statistics.
Cleveland 3, Texas 2 F
The Indians edged out the Rangers by a run. Matt Harrison, the starting pitcher for Texas, had a shoutout heading into the eighth. His line wound up being 7 IP, 3 R, 1 ER, earning him the “Loss” as David Hoff of Cleveland threw 9 innings, giving up 2 earned runs. Because the Rangers made 3 errors in the field behind Harrison, he is the “Loser.”
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
i still think that its somewhat relevant in relation to the entire team
I agree that its way way overblown.. but I still think that you can gain some information (albeit only on the surface) from the count of wins and losses
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Apr 16, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
javier vasquez comes to mind
no matter what his overall peripherals are, there’s always that (palpable) critical moment in a game, where you own it or you don’t
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I don't even know what this means.
I know you aren’t a Yankee fan, so I’m not sure what you’re getting at. I will be the first person in the world to admit that I did not watch all 32 of Vazquez’s 2009 starts. In fact, I only watched a handful. But, he had a very good year and he seemed to own a lot of games. If by “own” you mean pitch really well.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
pitching extremely well for 7-8 innings
but not getting the one critical out when it’s on the line, will still give you excellent peripherals – that’s all i’m saying. i think he’s a good pitcher. i don’t think he’s elite, even if his peripherals are better than some “more elite” pitchers. it’s just a matter of who you want on the mound in certain situations, when it’s gut-check time, time to “own” the situation.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
i sincerely can't tell if this is satire. i'm hoping so?
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
isn't that kind of an elitist response?
so what if his opinion is different than yours… you can disagree without being overly condescending
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Apr 16, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
i wasn't trying to be condescending. i can't tell if it is satire or not. sincerely.
sometimes people post sarcastic posts. rather than respond to it, i wanted to see if it was or not.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
my bad then...
it just seems like those who are very much into sabrmetrics will not even listen to anybody (such as myself) who agrees with them but has differing opinions about the human element of the game
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Apr 16, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know that we have a differing opinion about the human element of the game.
However, I will ask you if, in Game 7 of the 1968 World Series, it was Bob Gibson not owning the game that cost the Cardinals, or, was it Lou Brock slipping? To put it another way, did Bob Gibson “lose” Game 7 of the 1968 series because he did not own it?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
i'm not really talking about wins/losses though
they can be arbitrary, though less so than many attribute, and this is because of what you mention (though i thought it was flood). had gibby given up a dinger though…
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
It was Flood.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I'm not arguing to make wins and losses the be all end all of pitching stats
i’m just saying… it is somewhat useful when determining how (on average) a team performs when a certain pitcher is on the mound… this particular situation not withstanding
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Apr 16, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
it wasn't satire tom
(don’t beat me up too much)
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
okay. i just think that there's not really a basis to say that somebody who gives up a run
in the 7th or 8th inning is less valuable than a pitcher who gives up the same run in the 2nd. the game is always on the line, really.
moreover, failure in a key situation is likely as not to be dumb luck – a bad outing that happens to anyone – as to be attributable to the pitcher. trying to isolate key situations is probably just going to create a sample size problem. chris carpenter had a really bad outing in the NLDS in 2009. it wasn’t because he isn’t a good pitcher. he was a good pitcher who had a bad day.
even if “clutch performance” or anti-clutch performance is real, javier vasquez isn’t really a good example of someone who performs poorly with the game at stake. his RISP w. 2 outs OPS against is .671. his OPS against in situations where he has the lead is .736, when he is behind .725, when the game is within one run is .729, when the game is late and close is .707.
i just don’t think there is a foundation for a lot of the labels people throw around about who is clutch and who isn’t, because people usually rely on a few games that stick in their heads (e.g., is so taguchi a “clutch” hitter? probably not, but if you’d asked cards fans a few years ago, a lot would have said yes, because of one home run). javier vasquez is a really good pitcher by any statistical measure.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
by tom s. on Apr 16, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
+1
especially to “the game is always on the line”
by LandSickness on Apr 16, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
quite honestly
as much as i love the more in depth statistics (FIP, OPS, etc…) there is, as much as you may choose to disregard it, a human element to the game (see the Red Sox closer by commitee example) and when you totally disregard another baseball fan’s opinion because you don’t agree with it is condescending.
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Apr 16, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
i didn't disregard it, i disagreed with it.
in fact, i read it carefully and responded fully to it. i can’t think of anything more complimentary than to consider someone’s opinion worth replying to.
a condescending response would have been “go back to the booth, joe morgan.”
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
ha... well at least we can agree about joe morgan's nonsense
I am reading too much into your responses and I apologize for that. I just get frustrated when somebody’s opinion gets put down on here. I read your post about the satire and i over reacted.
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Apr 16, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
hey!!! who you a callin' joe morgan, tom?
i appreciated your response.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Also,
nobody in the SABR community that I have ever read, has said that there is not a human element. What they have said, is it unquantifiable, and that that element will be represented in other stats.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
why do they have to be quantified?
Say I’m Lincecum and I ate a bad Hot Pocket the night before… I am literally going to shit my pants on the mound and I can’t concentrate… So is there a stat that can represent that? All I am saying is that the human element may not be quantifiable and never will be.
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Apr 16, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Chan Ho would have been a better example.
In your example though, that’s a one outing thing, and is not predictive at all. SABR is just trying to use past stats to project future results.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
alright
I totally agree with you on that
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Apr 16, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
sure - which is why you should judge linececum by a large body of work, not
by one game, which is why statistically oriented folks complain about small sample sizes.
because bad hot pockets happen.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
out of general curiosity
can you explain how this stuff would be quantified? Because I honestly don’t know how you would predict it
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Apr 16, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
what stuff? when people have bad food?
i don’t think you would want to quantify it. it’s not predictable; it’s not necessarily going to happen again; and its impact is not really measurable.
would i guess that pj walters won’t pitch well when he first returns to the mound? sure. that’s the human side of baseball. i’m not sure that it would be useful to try to reduce that to a statistic.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
i wasn't necessarily talking about the hot pocket
I was talking about the human element in general
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Apr 16, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Like I said before.....
let’s say that Eckstein is grittier than all the other players out there. How do you quantify it? Well, it shows in stats like obp, etc. His ability to work a count and draw an extra walk is part of a repeatable skill set, that over a large sample will normalize into the stats that he puts up.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
but having a high OBP
or a large amount of pitches seen per plate appearance has nothing to do with grit. Does this have to be a statistic is what I am asking?
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Apr 16, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
grit was a generic term
for human tendencies. Probably a bad word choice. All I’m saying, is that over a large sample, the human tendencies of a player are normalized into that players overall stats.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
but isn't baseball more fun when everything isnt about stats?
Stats are great, but if you are trying to hard to predict everything, then where is the fun? Not to be too cliche, but the games aren’t played on paper.
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Apr 16, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
i don't watch baseball with a spreadsheet in hand.
i enjoy baseball. stats help in appreciating it, but don’t take away from the drama of an individual game. when albert hits a home run, i don’t say “this is merely a statistical anomaly likely to occur every 20 to 25 times he bats” i say “WWWWWOOOOOOOOOOO!! ALBERT!”
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
do you agree that there are some who give the impression that they don't?
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Apr 16, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
i can't think of anyone i know
who doesn’t enjoy baseball like that.
some people who write articles for a national audience may try to leave their team allegiance at home when writing to avoid alienating readers who support a rival (or more likely, to avoid having the comment section filled with “omg mariners/reds/royals/red sox suck” replies).
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
Analysis upon reflection of the game's events
can – at least for SABR-oriented people – enhance their experience. If people didn’t enjoy the numbers side of the game, then they wouldn’t study it and devote so much time to it.
Obviously you feel differently, and that’s fine, too.
You can read it in any tone you like.
Exactly......my enjoyment of the game
has evolved past just watching it. And even if I did, there’s nothing wrong with that. When it comes to how people enjoy watching a ball game, or anything, each to their own.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
you should get an ipad instead of a spreadsheet to check the stats
"they make an adjustment or look into it, ultimately, somebody's going to get hurt" Carp was seen yelling at the home plate umpire
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 16, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
won't beating out an infield grounder by trying really hard
appear in your BA and your OBP? if you weren’t so gritty, you wouldn’t get that hit; you’d have an out. so, that kind of grit is already in david eckstein’s stats.
to put it another way, let’s say there is an eckstein and an anti-eckstein. eckstein has raw talent that would get him 170 hits in 600 PAs. anti-eckstein has raw talent that would get him 190 hits in 600 PAs. otherwise, their skillsets are indistinguishable.
eckstein digs hard everyday and beats out 10 infield hits. anti-eckstein is a slacker and doesn’t run as hard as an ordinary player. he loses out on 10 infield hits as a result. both players end up with 180 hits and have the same value in the end.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
define grit again?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
i think you can't; or more accurately, the human element is in the
statistics, but impossible to extract. somewhere in linececum’s stats last year are games where he pitched after staying up half the night, games after he ate dairy when he’s not supposed to, games where he was totally excited, games after he got a fan letter that made him smile, games after he had a fight with his girlfriend, etc.
all those things may have an impact on how he pitches. the best thing statistics can do is tell you how he usually pitches and assume all these things get evened out.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
tue
but what i mean by the human element is what a guy does in special situations. Guys that absolutely dominate in the post season for instance vs. guys who perform poorly
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Apr 16, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
there is no way to know whether someone who does well
in the postseason does so as a result of a particular human element or because of dumb luck in a small sample size. you could assume that someone who does well in the postseason has a particular mental makeup that allows them to do well, but it’s just a guess.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
but my question is why try to quantify it?
why not just let some things be
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Apr 16, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Those who quantify. . .
quantify because they want to achieve a greater empirical understanding.
No more, no less.
In other words, Keith Law isn’t a jerk because he’s a sabremetrician. If he wasn’t a sabremetrician, he’d probably just be your typical run-of-the-mill Cubs fan.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Apr 16, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
not sure what you mean by "let some things be."
or what i am trying to quantify. part of my point was that i don’t try to quantify some things.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
and that's a good point
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I'll wager the next time PJ pitches, he pitches poorly
but it has nothing to do with his family situation.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Apr 16, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions
but we will never know
so wager all you want.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I suspect that Hot Pockets. . .
are perhaps the least objectionable objects consumed by Tim Lincecum.
Example Fail.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Apr 16, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
no but if they are eaten as a direct result of the objectionable consumption...
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Apr 16, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
it's a little misleading to use that, though
because he could give up the go-ahead run 5 of ten times in that situation and still have a better ops against than a guy who gives it up 0 out of ten.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
i suppose it's possible that pitcher X could have a skill of allowing just enough hits
not to produce a run late in a ballgame, but that doesn’t seem likely. most pitchers will be trying to not allow hits, period. generally, i would think OPS against in late-and-close situations would correlate strongly with runs allowed.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
i think waino...will. not. allow. that. run. evar.
/big waino fan
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
hmmm...this is interesting
not thinking of any particular pitcher; let’s say a pitcher dominates a game for 6-7 innings every game (and we have been magically transported back to a time before multiple relievers enter games), and yet this poor bastard falls apart late in the game every time. is this pitcher good, great, or neither.
discuss
i expect for the great minds of VEB to have one hell of a response to me when i check back in several hours from now
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
What does "fall apart" mean?
Because, I’ve to tell you. Even in the olden days, I suspect that manager would start pulling him after the seventh as a strategic maneuver.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
well, say you strike out every single batter for the first 7 innings
but you’re team hasn’t scored either. now it’s the bottom of the 8th and the other team, after 2 more k’s, gets it’s first baserunner – let’s say it’s on an error. you walk a couple guys, give up a couple hits, and the other team scores 3 in the first time you are under duress. taking “tired” out of the equation…i just don’t see this happening much to certain guys, like waino.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
You can't take tired out of the equation when you've struck out at least 21 players.
You can read it in any tone you like.
pitch count in the 60's should not make one tired
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
so you agree
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
That's assuming he struck out each batter on 3 pitches.
Which is unpossible. I mean, striking out 21 in a row will never happen, but on 63 pitches? No way.
If you did 4 pitches for each batter, then suddenly you’re at 84 pitches. And it’s a guaranteed minimum of 9 pitches per inning, and way more if batters decide to, you know, take a few balls or foul some pitches off.
This is all too complicated, but Waino has innings where he labors, and those innings are far more taxing, especially if you’re striking everyone out and have no shot at the ideal 3 pitch, pitch-to-contact inning.
You can read it in any tone you like.
we are talking about a hypothetical
in order to take the “tired” out of the equation, which cannot be quantified – which i suppose is sort of the (and my) point. it seems everyone is happy to say certain guys are not mentally tough, and then at the same time use stats to disprove the opposite for someone else.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Everyone?
You can count me out. I’ve never made a claim like that. I think if you made it to the big leagues, you’ve likely got some pretty serious mental toughness.
You can read it in any tone you like.
hehe
change “everyone” to “many” so that one would actually have to argue the point rather than glom onto something sidetracking. and no, not everyone in the bigs is mentally tough in the bigs – some are just very talented. we all know the obvious examples, and then there are varying degrees from there. .
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I don't really have a dog in the mental toughness fight is my point.
You can read it in any tone you like.
ok, i didn't think there was anyone disputing meltdowns
just checking.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Is this pitcher good, great, or neither?
He’s tired.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Apr 16, 2010 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions
that'd be an ironic argument for a die-hard saber guy to make though
unless he has numbers to prove it.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
It seems like it's a pretty easy deduction from the scenario offered...
Pitcher dominates “every” game for 6-7 innings.
Pitcher falls apart late in the game “every time.”
Some games would be close, pressure-filled contests, while others would be no-pressure blowouts the Pitcher is winning, and yet the constant is that after 6-7 innings he falls apart. What else but endurance could explain the pattern? Is he afraid of the 8th inning?
by Willie McGee's Twin on Apr 16, 2010 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions
And it can be worked around.
If he falls apart every 8th inning, just don’t pitch him in the 8th or replace him at the first sign of trouble.
You can read it in any tone you like.
hoss radbourn does not approve this comment.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
see below
8th has nothing to do with it – pressure does – thus no tired factor, or fear of the number 8.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
i don't know what you are trying to argue
i gave an example way upthread, furthered by a sosa example, and it seems you are arguing a comment rather than a complete thought.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Maybe I misunderstood all of this.
I’ve been a bit preoccupied. Just ignore me.
You can read it in any tone you like.
haha
said knowing no one can ignore spants
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
you can try, i just wouldn't want to be you if you did
Hope is the worst of all evils, for it prolongs the torment of man
mine was sort of a compliment
for lack of a better word.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
no friggin' idea what you are talking about
please explain this.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
you are more mike piazza than ramon martinez?
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
your lucky number is pi
180 decimal degrees = pi radians
the only trigonometric function that can produce a value of 180 is cosine. (sine and tangent are [-90,90] or [-pi/2, pi/2])
looking at a triangle, cosine of a given angle can be determined by taking the length of the adjacent side over the length of the hypotenuse or:
adjacent
-————-
hypotenuse <— you
i’m gonna go ahead and reevaluate my life now
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
and a bottom
is gay lingo for someone who takes it in the pooper
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
you're in austin, right?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
i don't know what an adjacent is
but if you are trying to be funny, i am not amused. i wouldn’t trek to siberia, i’m not that unamused, but austin is another matter.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
not that the is anything wrong with that
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
i did not see an explanation
of what an “adjacent” was – i suppose it requires inner-circle access. but you’re pretty giddy for someone who would piss their pants if i was standing at their door.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
the adjacent side of a triangle
is the side, um, next to a given angle which is not the hypotenuse. this obviously doesn’t work for the angle opposite the hypotenuse because we already know it is 90 degrees
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
wow who would have thought
that using advanced geometry could lead to hurt feelings
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
wait
i thought he was just playing along
are you really mad?
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
and so, given that, you're joke is what?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
i can't tell which you are
homo or homophobic?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
or both
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
just forget it
note to self: no more using basic trig identities to make bad jokes.
isn’t this how the spanish-american war started? and i said history classes would never help me
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
don't start a land war in asia
especially with an asian.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
that's my youth
i have advanced since then.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
advanced
into other worlds
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
i don't
i do other things. although i can prove the existence of God utilizing limits, this is not the appropriate forum – yet isn’t that ironic, since all math, and therefore saber, is a derivative…
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
in some circles
it is called free will
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
haha
are you just picking out random phrases to respond to me with?
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
don't know what's random about that
it’s the god’s honest truth.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
but
how is it relevant to the fact that the derivative of e^x is e^x?
some people call that free will? i call it calculus
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
which is derived from the free will of man
no one held a gun to someone’s head and said, “give me calculus, or give me…you’re dead”
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
have never smoked pot
or done any other illegal drug. if you mean high on life, or something like that, then yes
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
wait
are you still threatening to beat me up? i’m confused
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
beat you up?
wherever did you get that idea? i haven’t “beaten someone up” since i was a kid. as i said, i have advanced since then.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
i'll stick with "advanced"
call it what you will.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
sorry,
i’m basically just trolling you now.
i can’t be the only one who finds this amusingly bizarre as a result of a bad math joke, though
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
i find it so myself
surely there are others. it is part of a larger picture for myself for today. tomorrow i may very well be pro-math and denigrate the stats guys with arcane mathematics to disprove them…i’m moody.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
which one of those is the gay one?
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
they're all gay
we just need to determine which are tops and which are bottoms. pitchers and catchers, some might say
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
POLITI*CS!!!
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
exactly
anymore, this is just a bizarre sociology experiment for me
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
See I read this one in the tone of Atticus Finch
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
all the games were pressure-packed
in my scenario. the blowouts were no problem for the pitcher in the 8th, so i don’t think it was the 8th, or tiredness. this pitcher was fine in blowouts.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I wasn't responding to your scenario and don't know what it was...
I was responding to mattyfrommo’s scenario.
If in your scenario (whatever it is), the only logical answer for the Pitcher’s failings is that “he crumbles under pressure,” then, assuredly, that’s the right answer.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Apr 16, 2010 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions
john lackey does not, though
“this is mine!” – that’s owning it.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Maybe.
But we still WON! Oh and CHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
And of course David Huff.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
I agree.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
What does my family doctor have to do with anything
"There's a new sheriff in town." - Brendan Ryan
by jd is legend on Apr 16, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
He called. Said you had the clap.
by Tom_Lawless_Bat_Flip on Apr 16, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Tell me something I don't know
"There's a new sheriff in town." - Brendan Ryan
by jd is legend on Apr 16, 2010 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions
He pitched a great game.
You should tell him the next time you have an appointment.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
get rid of W and L is what I say
well, for pitchers stats anyway
"they make an adjustment or look into it, ultimately, somebody's going to get hurt" Carp was seen yelling at the home plate umpire
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 16, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Who looks best with the trophy.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
by ClemsonGirl on Apr 16, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
any way that doesn't have javier vasquez winning it
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Strikeouts, duh.
Just like the past 2 years.
by Ghostrider520 on Apr 16, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
are you saying that Waino shoulda beat Lincecum last year?
"they make an adjustment or look into it, ultimately, somebody's going to get hurt" Carp was seen yelling at the home plate umpire
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 16, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
No....last year was an outlier,
and Timmeh was the rightful recipient, IMO. Now the 20 years before that….it was all aboot wins.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
right but it seems that now they aren't using wins to gauge the cy young
so then what is the problem with keeping wins and losses as more of a measure of team performance in relation to who is pitching? Is it not the same as an RBI count? Couldn’t you make the same case for a guy who constantly bats an entire season with nobody on base for him? Thats an individual statistic that is heavily reliant on circumstances outside a players control.
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Apr 16, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
one season does not make it a pattern.
When we hear more guys talking aboot FIP, or tERA or anything other than Wins, K’s, or ERA , then I will believe that a shift in voting philosophy has been made.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
RBI's are a terrible evaluation tool for a hitter.....
just as wins and losses are for a pitcher.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
individually yes they don't really tell the whole story about a hitter
but baseball, as is often said, is a team sport rife with individual peformance (much more so than any other sport)… so i think that those statistics are valuable… but not individually.. they are an individual statistic which does a little to explain how that individual performed on the team
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Apr 16, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
That are completely out of that players control....
I’m really not the guy that should be having this discussion with you. I’m not a stat head, but have learned a lot here. As a general rule, and somebody please correct me if I’m wrong, but counting stats are fine to look at past performance, but have very little weight in telling you what type of future performance to expect.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
i agree with you
but there are some people on here who would completely eliminate stats because they don’t have value to them. When other people (who don’t blindy go by them but actually do get something out of them) want to accept both.
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Apr 16, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Not completely out of a player's control. . .
by SouthsideCardsFan on Apr 16, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
In the sense that Albert
can’t will Skippeh and RFL on base in front of him, I would say that they are out of his control.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
In the sense that. . .
Albert (well, not Albert, but any mortal) could go oh-for-his career, striking out every time, it’s not “completely out of that player’s control”, either.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Apr 16, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
i usually look at a starter's win %
in comparison to the win % of his team – carp, iirc, dominated that differential last year (and i’m not saying this is the be-all, end-all way to look at it)
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
maybe they are starting to get it right
is all I’m sayin
"they make an adjustment or look into it, ultimately, somebody's going to get hurt" Carp was seen yelling at the home plate umpire
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 16, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
i thought carp was the best
and waino was third, but waino would have won the award if his 20th win wasn’t blown.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Wins should always be the starting place for the Cy Young
The other factors can inform the decision as they did with Linceum, but the idea of a starting pitcher is to win, not get a quality start.
Just win
Because Grienke
can control the 1* run of support that his offense gave him all year.
*number pulled out of my ass.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
for a starter, i'm sure it has to be 15 or more
some relievers have won, so i assume you’re not talking about them.
and this isn’t because of wins per se, it’s because in any given year you could find a guy who pitched great while only recording 13 or 14 wins but can also find a guy who pitched just as well with more wins. also, every pitcher when he toes the rubber wants to get a win, and some seem to keep themselves in contention for that win while others do not – as in every aspect of life, some fold before others, and sports is obviously no different.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
really, if you don't win each game in a complete game shutout by striking out every batter, thus preventing the
unearned runs, you don’t deserve a W.
and when derek lowe wins a game after giving up 6 ER, it’s because he has the veteran leadership, chemistry, etc. to inspire the braves to score 16 runs in one day. so, he deserves that W.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
Gritty performance.
It takes a real grinder to hang in there.
[Insert other generic line here.]
by Ghostrider520 on Apr 16, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
why do they have to get rid of a stat instead of just adding more stats?
I still think that in a vague vague way you can gauge how a team performs with a certain pitcher on the mound… can’t you ignore wins and losses and just focus on the stats that mean more to you?
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Apr 16, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
certainly
for example, sammy sosa put up huge numbers. just say, for sake of argument, maybe he wasn’t great in 3-2 games, but in blowouts either way he was a homer machine. then look at pitchers the same way.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Eh. . .
this should be quantifiable, and someone at BP did a study focused on Jack Morris in “look(ing) at pitchers the same way” and determined that the “skill” of “pitching to the score” was really a code for being a good but not great pitcher on an offensive juggernaut.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Apr 16, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
jack morris was not a great pitcher
i don’t know why he was used for such a study, unless it was to prove a predetermined opinion. just like the guy who did the thing on productive outs being a myth, yet used his own definition of productive out to determine RE – and suddenly these “studies” are taken for granted as proving something.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
you understand what i'm saying, right?
he did something that applies to jack morris, and jack morris only. nothing further (about any other pitcher) can be deduced from a study on jack morris.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Is Marlon Byrd good?
I really don’t know much about him
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Apr 16, 2010 4:02 PM EDT reply actions
he's an ordinary fielder and an ordinary hitter - worth about a win above replacement.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
Fun fact:
They are paying Alfonso Soriano $18MM this year to hit behind Marlon Byrd, an ordinary hitter.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Apr 16, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
and that's when soriano isn't on the bench
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Soriano's contract is the gift that keeps on giving.
It’s like Pujols’s ridiculosity (I just made this word up because it sounds more engine-like). You can find so many ways to slice up Soriano’s contract to show how bad it is that it is almost a sport.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
brilliant!
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
really?
he’s consistently been worth 2.5 to 3 wins above replacement
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
I think he'll be good with the Cubs
the stadium should help him with his homers. I’d call him an above average defender.
"they make an adjustment or look into it, ultimately, somebody's going to get hurt" Carp was seen yelling at the home plate umpire
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 16, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
everyone hits better in texas
look at what byrd hit on the road while with rangers, compared to home (same with bradley, i think). and he is not an above-average cf’er, which is where i think they play him (though someone could disprove this with numbers, and i’m fine with that)
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
meh
he’s decent
"they make an adjustment or look into it, ultimately, somebody's going to get hurt" Carp was seen yelling at the home plate umpire
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 16, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, he's decent, but that's not saying much
for the contracts involved, i’d take lopex in center and not suffer
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
So, tonight – Good Carp or Bad Carp?
I’m expecting Good Carp. You know, regressing to the mean and whatnot.
@aaronjscott
i love the fact that regressing to the mean for Carp means being amazing again
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Apr 16, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
he's going to luggage someone if he doesn't do well
"they make an adjustment or look into it, ultimately, somebody's going to get hurt" Carp was seen yelling at the home plate umpire
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 16, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe luggage himself
ala Fight Club.
@aaronjscott
by musialsuspects on Apr 16, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
ha!
"they make an adjustment or look into it, ultimately, somebody's going to get hurt" Carp was seen yelling at the home plate umpire
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 16, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
hot Carp
in more ways than one
(so two)
he’s gonna be throwing some suitcases, i bet
muddy damn suitcases
two seconds apart
they better give him some run support or he’ll be throwing those at everyone
carp isn't worried
but he knows we are…oh, he knows:
“There are expectations, I guess, of what I’m supposed to be doing,” Carpenter said. “I gave up a couple homers, and it’s turned into chaos, I guess.”
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
we're spoilt
expect perfection
he needs to keep us in check
so in my head he pitched badly on purpose
yeah, that totally works for me
i would think he would drop a pile of bricks on his ass
Hope is the worst of all evils, for it prolongs the torment of man
i'd imagine he has one at the end of each arm
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
man the astros suck bad
if only bud norris wasn’t bob uecker to the cardinals sandy koufax….
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Apr 16, 2010 4:09 PM EDT reply actions
was kinda hoping we'd sweep at least one of those first 3 series
we get another pretty easy series next though. the Dbacks should be our first good test.
"they make an adjustment or look into it, ultimately, somebody's going to get hurt" Carp was seen yelling at the home plate umpire
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 16, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Not to look TOO far ahead...
But April 26-April 29 against the Braves is going to be a great measuring stick at this point in the season.
by Ghostrider520 on Apr 16, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
weird
I was just thinking about that series too
"they make an adjustment or look into it, ultimately, somebody's going to get hurt" Carp was seen yelling at the home plate umpire
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 16, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
In fact, April 19-April 29 should be a good test.
Arizona (as you said), San Fran, and then Atlanta.
Pretty tough stretch.
by Ghostrider520 on Apr 16, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
are you talking to yourself?
"they make an adjustment or look into it, ultimately, somebody's going to get hurt" Carp was seen yelling at the home plate umpire
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 16, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions
political tequila
(that was a captcha I had last night)
"they make an adjustment or look into it, ultimately, somebody's going to get hurt" Carp was seen yelling at the home plate umpire
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 16, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
lineup!
floppy – 4
craig – 7
pujols – 3
ludwick – 9
yadi – 2
freese – 5
manly mather – 8
boog – 6
carp – 1
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
about 0-12
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
he's sick
avaliable to pinch hit
http://twitter.com/Fox_Sports_MW/status/12304479722
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
i guess i should source it up
http://twitter.com/Fox_Sports_MW/status/12303872450
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
i can feel it
we will score in droves…i like this lineup – interesting craig in the 2-spot with luddy in the lineup, who’s been raking there.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
because TLR
Someone has to protect APu. Also, he has a tendency to put rooks infront of Albert.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
this is why i like crazy tony
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
the pressure of hitting cleanup is undoubtedly too much for young Allen to bear.....
by Willie McGee's Twin on Apr 16, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions
why would he hit cleanup?
i’m not saying the pressure would be too much for him, but i wouldn’t bat him there – not sure i’m getting your point.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I was being facetious and assumed if Luddy were to hit second...
then he would swap with Craig. Interestingly, if you did move Lud to 2nd, Craig is probably the next best hitter for cleanup. I would put Craig there before the rest, including Yadi.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Apr 16, 2010 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions
well, you might be right
conceded
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Intriguing.
Apparently TLR didn’t take too kindly to the notion that he tinkers too much.
:)
TLR: I’m a tinkerer, huh? Well take that!
by Ghostrider520 on Apr 16, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
That looks like a lineup that I thought we'd have seen yesterday
with it being the whole “day game after a night game” and already having “clinched the series.” It doesn’t look bad per se, but it looks closer to TLR’s “throwaway lineup” than we’ve seen so far this year.
so you're saying
he’s trying to mix it up and lose the third game of the series instead of the third?
i know what you meant
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
JOE MATHER!
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
Scouting Dept
My roomie is a die-hard cubs fan. He was at the game on Wednesday, and Tom Ricketts was sitting one seat up and one to the left from him. Said that he clapped like a pansy. I said, well he’s a cubs fan.
Just thought i would throw that out there.
by ShannonIsn'tSober on Apr 16, 2010 4:57 PM EDT reply actions
well worth throwing out
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
In my experience, a lot of extremely wealthy individuals are socially awkward.
Save a few, like Sir Richard Branson, Mark Cuban, etc.
by Ghostrider520 on Apr 16, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
%$%^%$%^%
Anybody work on something for like 2 hours and then have the program crash as you are saving it?
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Apr 16, 2010 5:09 PM EDT reply actions
will that save pro/engineer files too?
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Apr 16, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
That's typically a standard hotkey for saving.
Much like Ctrl+P is a shortcut for printing.
by Ghostrider520 on Apr 16, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
gotcha
and yes i think that it will save pro/e files… still though… i was attempting to save when the program crashed
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Apr 16, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
but
if you did it every 5 minutes, you would have only lost 5 minutes of work
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
thats true
but sometimes you can get a lot of work done in the 5 minutes that you hadn’t accomplished in the previous hour… then that work is more valuable than the previous hour’s work… Work Above Replacement Work? WARW?
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Apr 16, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
it has become a reflex of mine
after burning through many a cpu fans, lots of screaming and swearing and lost data
you will get it too. the more WARW, the higher the crtl+s frequency
ok pro/e is nasty expensive
If I’m your manager and you’re not saving often, I’m making fun of you in meetings.
i save more than i should
but i seem to have it crash at only the most horribly inopportune times
When a reporter asked Gaylord Perry's 5-year-old daughter if her father threw a spitball, she replied, "It's a hard slider."
by FredbirdisaDork on Apr 16, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions
You can never save more than you should
But I sympathize w/you. I don’t think anybody really backs up enough except for the folks who have their networks automatically backed up.
born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red
I don't know pro/e,
but I’d check into this third-party autosave feature.
I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.
by The Continental on Apr 16, 2010 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions
If you were working in MS Office...
it should’ve been autosaving all along.
by Ghostrider520 on Apr 16, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
if he doesn't walk 4 times
he doesn’t swing at what he doesn’t like, though i suppose he’s a little anxious to do something by now, so we’ll see
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
btw, totally opposite of what i thought tony would do
but i prefer colby against santana – don’t see santana throwing a change to colby and seeing it land in the upper deck.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I bring news of forgotten trade centerpieces!
Possible breakout alert?
Daric Barton is hitting a robust .343/.489/.457 for the A’s so far. The power leaves something to be desired, I suppose, but he has 11 walks and has reached base in every game. He’s hitting in the 2-hole for the surprising Athletics.
Also, he is still, somehow, only 24 years old.
yeah, i've been watching his games
and until luddy moved to the 2-spot, have been very envious. but then, where would he play? can’t wait till walrus gets the call (if they can unload overbay) – still hate the trade, but oh well. i’d trade holliday and his contract for walrus right now and put walrus in left and have well over 100 million dollars.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
i can watch the game tonight because it's on one of my Dish channels
question is, should & i should i partake in the game threads?
Hope is the worst of all evils, for it prolongs the torment of man
I will not be in the game thread....
so somebody will have to make up for my asinine posts. Get on it. Which channel are you getting it on?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Are you sure it won't be blacked out?
/just trying to rain on your parade.
//check your email.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
no, it's never blacked out
that’s why we got the channels back in the late 90’s because back then KTLA, WPIX, KWGN, WSBK & WGN all showed MLB games that weren’t blacked out & Dish didn’t have the EI package. of course now WSBK, WPIX & WGN don’t show half the games they used to & KTLA & KWGN don’t show any, but i guess it’s better than nothing
now you check your email. you never did get back to me about the truck btw
Hope is the worst of all evils, for it prolongs the torment of man
I know.....got busy....then got drunk
I want to give you more than a 2 minute response…it probably won’t happen till Sunday though. Working on refinishing my drift boat over the next couple of weekends.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
WOOOO!!!!!
Ric Flair with a Flair chop to Jim Hayes. Too bad wrestling is fake.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
don't look at me, every time i do one you bastards bolt
Hope is the worst of all evils, for it prolongs the torment of man
gee, who'd have known Floppy would have f'ed that up?
Hope is the worst of all evils, for it prolongs the torment of man
Solid PA by Milkcarton there.
Perez not looking very sharp, though.
I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.
by The Continental on Apr 16, 2010 8:29 PM EDT reply actions
Ack.
I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.
by The Continental on Apr 16, 2010 8:30 PM EDT reply actions
Meh.
I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.
by The Continental on Apr 16, 2010 8:31 PM EDT reply actions
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