head-to-head matchups - rockies v. cards
since the last time i talked to you, the whole world has changed. like the cherry blossoms of spring, baseball has come back and made residents of washington, d.c., think about something beautiful that happens right in front of them for roughly 10 minutes before they return to the televised bloodsport that is american politics, or schtupping their latest interns, or counting how much money has been relayed to them in unmarked bills in a plain manila envelope, or possibly all of the above at the same time.
in washington, just like the cherry blossoms, the baseball team is eliminated within a week.
here, in sunny cardinal nation, though, life is good. it would be hard to conceive of a better start to the season.
well, i lie a little. a better start would likely involve someone other than jason motte pitching to jonny gomez, preferably one capable of throwing more than one pitch. but hey, we in cardinal nation are not greedy. we are the best fans in baseball (tm).
despite some minor headaches to face from the bullpen, i consider the first week of baseball a huge success. first, BASEBALL! second, we have had four of five starters pitch a game, each of them more or less competently and, most importantly, with each part of their anatomy apparently uninjured after the fact. cardinal fandom, much like alcoholism, is a one day at a time thing. third, nick stavinoha has now reached what i am optimistically calling the peak of his trade value. for serious, mo, you better be on the horn to dayton moore all weekend before nick goes 2 for 37 with no walks for the remainder of april. fourth, COLBY! fifth, the cardinals have a two game lead on the cubs after playing four games. sixth, the cardinals have a three game lead on the astros after playing four games.
personally, i am undeterred by the problems - at this stage in the season, i'd say potential problems - in the bullpen. it's an area of concern, and it will cost us a few games, but realistically a bullpen full of unspectacular guys will do us very little harm. the only thing about the bullpen that has ever REALLY killed the team was having a pitcher who was just unbelievably bad, because of injury, surrounded by a mostly incompetent staff. okay and even mediocre we can live with; as long as we don't drift into awful, where the highlights begin and end with russ springer and brad thompson, we should be okay.
i enjoyed this article on high strikeout rates among starters; check out who tops the list and who is at the bottom. the widely varying pitching philosophies of some teams are suggested by the article.
from the "former cardinals" and "don't look now but a danup man crush is teasing us with fine performance before inevitably crashing to the ground" categories, daric barton has a .438/.565/.563 line for a .488 wOBA. mind you, that does not approach colby rasmus, with a .400/.647/.800 line, for a .605 wOBA, but you have to like that so far. barton has staked an early claim to 1b duties in oakland in a crowded 1b/dh circle of candidates that includes jake fox and eric chavez, and until recently included jack cust.
this week, moving east on our tour of american cities most likely to host national league playoff games, we visit the mile high city.
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Name |
FANS WAR |
Name |
FANS WAR |
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4.7 |
5.1 |
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5.4 |
2.6 |
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2.1 |
Jorge de la Rosa |
3.0 |
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2.2 |
2.9 |
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0.7* |
-0.5**/3.0** |
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Total |
15.1 |
Total |
13.1/16.6 |
** WAG - presupposes something like a full season.
it's not hard to spot the source of a major discrepancy in the projected value of the colorado rotation. greg smith projects to be dreadful: CHONE gives him a 5.01 projected FIP. jeff francis has been out so long he doesn't have a WAR projection, but he has been a valuable player when uninjured. if francis really is healthy and able to rejoin the team within the next month, the rockies have a very deep rotation, a lot like the braves we saw last week. basically, a real ace in jimenez, who is a candidate to win the cy young finish behind adam wainwright and chris carpenter for the cy young award. he is a lock for the best first name in the national league award, though. behind their ace come four pitchers, each potentially worth around 3 wins. it's nice to have all that value and have it well distributed among your pitchers, so that injury to one is not disastrous.
on the other hand, if the next step down from jeff francis is greg smith, that's a huge dropoff in talent. a brief, uninformed perusal of the rockies 40-man supports the notion of generally unappealing backup starting options in colorado, with jhoulys chacin (CHONE FIP projection - 5.02) probably leading the pack. i don't know what the money situation is like in colorado, but a glance through the remainders bin of unsigned starting pitchers might not be a bad idea.
the bullpen in colorado is a real mixed bag. huston street is out until may-ish. betancourt is a tremendous reliever. manny corpas is decent. i can't think of a reason to be particularly excited about franklin morales or matt belisle or most of the other relievers in the group. joe beimel is at AAA right now, but may join the team soon.
most disturbingly, the only loogy currently with colorado's big league club is randy flores. randy flores spent much of last year in AAA ball, but did well in his few major league appearances - at least as measured by peripherals (10.5 k/9, 1.5 bb/9). he still got stuck with a 5.25 ERA. the ex-card has proved to be eminently hittable - posting BABIPs against of .377, .366, .390, and .362 over the last four major league seasons. it could be that he's somewhat unlucky, but after facing 600 or so batters in that time i begin to doubt that. i would recount this data in innings pitched (134), but randy's MO of entering a game and giving up a couple hits without an out make that number seem a little misleading.
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Name |
CHONE WAR |
Pos |
Name |
CHONE WAR |
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3.5 |
C |
Chris Ianetta |
3.1 |
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7.2 |
1B |
3.0 |
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1.6 |
2B |
1.8 |
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2.7 |
SS |
6.3 |
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1.8 |
3B |
3.1 |
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4.9 |
LF |
2.8 |
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3.4 |
CF |
2.3 |
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2.0 |
RF |
1.6 |
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Total |
27.1 |
Total |
24.0 |
the rockies have a good team on the field, with only one player projecting to be worth much more than 3 wins. they have some interesting depth, with melvin mora in the infield (probably platooning with stewart) and jason giambi, leaving a bit of a vacuum in the middle infield for depth, although the rockies have some good prospects in the middle infield should they be needed. seth smith and ryan spilbourghs round out the outfield, with at least smith probably being a better option than trotting brad hawpe out there. i don't know if smith has the arm for RF, but hawpe certainly doesn't. hawpe regularly competes with adam dunn for worst defensive OF in the majors. miguel olivo is a very capable backup at C.
like all the teams we are looking at, the rockies are a playoff caliber team. their foundation is built a little bit on sand - with 6th starter candidates only optimistically called replacement value - and the roster could be managed a little better, but the team should definitely be in the race at the end.
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Stav!!!!!!!!
That is all.
YOU ARE OUT of you kuku fufu mine craker laker Flaber baber FUNKI chunki brain-abayarde
Rockies
Hard to see how that starting rotation is even close to ours.
Ankiel tearing it up with the Royals last night. 4-4 with a GWRBI.
Only four players left from 2006 team — hard to believe there has been that much turnover. Everyone says that LaRussa plays favorites, but he doesn’t play them very long.
I’m still worried this team has too much right handed hitting and not enough table-setters/speed. I feel ike every time our big guys have an off-night we need to win 1-0 or 2-1. I’m still a fan of trying to get a speedier LH bat in the OF who can sit in the 2-hole. As much as I like Ludwick, I don’t see him as a long term feature of the team.
Just win
um . . .
“I’m still a fan of trying to get a speedier LH bat in the OF who can sit in the 2-hole”
corky ramus?
Also, what is the obsession with lefthandedness? I believe you can have too much of it and I believe a lot of good players are left handed, but unless you have no lefthanded players I think your fine
The bible declares an eye for an eye, so, let us now take our vengeance on this murderous ocean. . . You won't be hurting anyone anymore
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Apr 10, 2010 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Carl Crawford
I would think this is exactly why he’s going to be such a highly sought after free agent. A LH OF type, speed, can hit in the second spot. Those types of guys don’t grow on trees.
OT: today's pitching matchup
I thought the Cards pushed back Garcia to tomorrow night. The Cards site and ESPN both have Garcia listed as starting tonight and Carp starting tomorrow.
I...
does no one believe my trufax anymore?
Here, here’s Goold.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
SEATTLE
it’s not going well. or something.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Cameron's getting desperate:
The correlation between the winning percentage after five games last year and the team’s final record is a measly .15 (remember, correlations are between zero, for no relation, and one, for perfect relation). A .15 correlation is basically nothing. I know, this sucks to watch, but it doesn’t mean anything.
“A .15 correlation is basically nothing.” Right… And what about a starting rotation that includes the names “Rowland-Smith”, “Fister”, “Vargas”, and “Snell”. Nothing to worry about! And a 3-4-5 of Kotchman-Bradley-Griffey? A minor dilemma!
The Mariners are going to lose 105 games and give sabermetrics a huge black eye.
Franklin !#@$!&*%#
or maybe everyone can take their lips off the Mariner's front office's ass
because they aren’t the divine saints that the mariner bloggers make them out to be.
Think; It's not illegal yet.
by azruavatar on Apr 10, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
well, w/r/t to Lee, I would think sabermetrics as a whole
operates with the understanding that freak, extended injuries will necessarily undermine the numbers. Thing is, this is not exactly a “freak” injury for Lee; He’s had it before, and its sidelined him for a considerable amount of time. I wonder how much injury time, if any, was factored into his WAR calculations this year.
the prediction systems on fangraphs
thought he’d be pretty healthy. Fans thought he’d make 36 starts, Bill James and Zips, 32, and Chone brought up the rear at 30.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
Well a .15 correlation in this context basically is nothing
I’m rooting for them to win 84 games and miss the playoffs.
Not afraid to nitpick
A .15 correlation isn't terrible all things considered
The correlation between preseason projections and wins is somewhere around .6
http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2009/7/16/931675/btb-playoff-odds-july-16th
by vivaelpujols on Apr 12, 2010 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I wonder how our hitting coach felt
about Stavinoha going down to 1 knee to get his long fly ball.
hopefully it was...
Good job kid. Now then, let’s never do that again because that’s the last time that swing will produce a HR.
Not necessarily
If he was sitting changeup (and against Hoffman I find it hard to believe he really adjusted and then hit a bomb on that pitch) and get a 75 mph relatively straight pitch in a place where you can reach it, do whatever it takes.
On that note though it seemed like our guys finally looked okay against Hoffman. Rasmus obviously worked a nice AB, Freese and Ryan weren’t really fooled they just missed their pitches, Stav went bombskies and Felipe hit a bullet. I really wonder if Hoffman actually was tipping his pitches or something, it seems they got better looks than I remember them getting recently.
Not afraid to nitpick
I picture McGwire breaking down tape on Hoffman and yelling at the team.
HE THROWS 80 MPH! JUST HIT THE DAMN BALL!
by Mister Eff on Apr 10, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Also known as "joker24's alcohol fueled angry advice to the St. Louis Cardinals administered through bar TVs"
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Apr 10, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Anyone got an HD capture card on their PC?
Flim?
can someone record today’s FOX game for me? I hate regional coverage, especially since neither New York nor Tampa are in my region.
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 10, 2010 10:24 AM EDT reply actions
Sorry
My TV Tuner broke or at least works when it wants to work
by FlimtotheFlam on Apr 10, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
That sucks
I completely forgot todays game was on Fox and didn’t set it up with someone to record.
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 10, 2010 10:57 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah
What relation does New York or Tampa Bay have to Colorado? I think the nearest AL team is KC.
Silly people
You will watch your AL East and you will like it.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
No I won't
If the choice is watching the Yankees or leaving the TV off, I’ll go with the off. If we all did that, maybe they’d stop giving us this New York/Boston crap
I HATE Fox and their stupid rules...
I’m in Alabama, 1000 miles from New York, 700 miles from Tampa…so naturally, the idiots at Fox determine that the Yankees/Rays are in my region, since both are closer than Milwaukee or St.Louis. And I cant watch on mb.tv, either. Looking for an alternate stream….no luck so far….GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRr
by RollBirdsRoll on Apr 10, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
what really pisses me off
is that I’m blacked out on MLB.tv because it is a Fox national broadcast, even though I’m not in the viewing area and will only get the Yanks/Rays broadcast. What sense does that make? How is this upping the ratings? Do they really think I’m gonna spend four hours watching two teams I’m completely unaffiliated with just because my team is blacked out?
I agree. I won't even turn the Jankees and the Rays on. It's just stupid
not to mention I pay MLB for the privilege of watching the birds out of market. So far, no alternate stream locted, eithe. Damn Fox…
by RollBirdsRoll on Apr 10, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I have, and I use many of those sites.. So far, none of the usual sites has a Cards Brewers stream listed.
unless I’m missing something. i’m hopeful closer to gametime…
by RollBirdsRoll on Apr 10, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Corrected. Stream located.
Still, f’n Fox.
by RollBirdsRoll on Apr 10, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
i think you're missing something
just look at the second to newest fanpost
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
Where do you find what game you get?
I’m in Minnesota so even though I’ll likely get the Yankees I feel that there is hope because of the proximity to Wisconsin.
And in the Cities
We get Yankees Rays. Awesome
tvguide.com
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Apr 10, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
STEVE HOLT!
"There's a new sheriff in town." - Brendan Ryan
by jd is legend on Apr 10, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
beatrice!
I’m Steve Holt, and I don’t know who my father is…cut to GOB
"...and pujols has given st louis the lead"
The Best Defensive Play I Have Seen in Person
follow me on teh twitterz @greenfieldt
by tgreenfield on Apr 10, 2010 2:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
well, someone suggested they found a feed online
but never posted a link (talking about an alternative to mlb.tv)
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
those streams don't generally require steps
just one click, which is why i was hoping they’d post the link.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Anyone else think that a +3 WAR projection for Ian Stewart is optimistic?
He’s basically Mark Reynolds, but with an even lower average and a less hilarious but still high number of Ks AND he can’t steal bases (or if he can, its a very well kept secret).
But seriously, i love Reynolds and i hope he goes 50HR-30SB, could’ve done it last year if he hadn’t lost about 5000Kg due to illness…
No offense to Tom
But a large chunk of these FAN projected stats seem way off to me. FAN projections seem to be 25% to high on average. I am supposed to believe Stewart is going to be 2 full wins over his career high.
by FlimtotheFlam on Apr 10, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
these are CHONE right?
FANS has Hawpe at 2.1
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
i don't disagree about FANS - a little inflated.
However the position players are CHONE, so if you don’t like stewart’s projection, that’s not a FANS projection.
Only the pitchers’ projections are FANS.I’ll buy that they’re a bit homerish, but they should be in the ballpark, and hopefully all slanted in the right direction, making comparison at least useful.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
by tom s. on Apr 10, 2010 1:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
wouldn't Colorado FANS be a little pessimistic?
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
5000Kg
isnt that like half a pound?
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Not quite
5000 kg = 11000 lb Either Aranathor got the wrong number/unit or was using a bit of hyperbole.
by ArkansasTravs on Apr 10, 2010 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions
We do all realize that Stav's HR was super Lucky right?
The ball was no where near the strike zone. It was like 5 inch’s in and 3 inch down. That is why he had to hit it off his left knee.
Stav's ability to hit 9th inning...
home runs off hall of fame closers is critical to our success this year.
Franklin !#@$!&*%#
by guayzimi on Apr 10, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
i expect it every game now
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Apr 10, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Of such lucky events are
unforgettable moments made.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Apr 10, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
And the time when
Yadi hit a HR in 2006. The improbability made all the more amazing. It is why, when Heilman comes to town, I am always there for BP, to holler out my gracious thanks to him for giving up that dinger.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Apr 10, 2010 11:21 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Right after I explained to my daughter that there was no way he could possibly get a hit off of Hoffman.
Of such thing is fallibility known
So this was the day...
That she learned her dad really doesn’t know everything like she always thought?
sometimes its better to be lucky than good
and its better than lucky to be gnomish-career-minor-leaguer-hits-gamewinnning-moonshot-on-one-knee-off-alltime-MLB-saves-leader lucky
The question is
Does TLR realize how lucky it was or did the Stavinfection just earn multiple starts and PHing opportunities at the expense of Craig?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Apr 10, 2010 11:24 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Crazy notion for the day:
Perhaps, just as Brad Thompson proved to be a better major league pitcher than Anthony Reyes, Stav will be a better major league hitter than Craig.
Franklin !#@$!&*%#
no
The bible declares an eye for an eye, so, let us now take our vengeance on this murderous ocean. . . You won't be hurting anyone anymore
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Apr 10, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Brad Thompson was a very good
minor league pitcher. Stavi has not been “very good” at anything since high school. Tony does not get enough fiber in his diet so he supplements grit into his 25 man roster. Stavi = grit. After yesterday, it would take a crowbar and stepping over TLR’s lifeless body to get Stavi off the 25 man roster. We should just accept it and go on with life.
I'm not exactly optimistic on Stav here
But he’s the last guy on the roster. I don’t think anyone, TLR included is expecting him to be very good. He’s a pinch hitter with a little pop (and no one outside the 25-man has a higher projected SLG than Stav’s measly .412 by CHONE, so who would be a better option anyway). He’s gotten 1 AB so far and will end up with what, 250-300 tops?. This is not something to get too worked up about until he starts getting multiple starts over Craig/Mather. Even if he starts today, who cares, the guy hit a game winning bomb, rewarding that might send a decent message to the other guys.
Not afraid to nitpick
reminds me of my college coach
always rode my ass, hard. We had a little guy we called Iggy, he was about 5’9" and could hit a ball a max of 200 feet and had 2 step range (talking about 2nd base here). I came in from JUCO, started the first about 10 games, then all of a sudden I’m benched. Iggy plays for about 2 weeks straight. During one game a ball comes up and hits him right in the throat. He gets up and walks around and seems to be ok. Coach turns around and announces to the bench, “It would take a team of wild horses to drag that guy out of the lineup.” Few weeks later we split time, I end up playing a few games at first, yadda yadda yadda.
After the season coach told me I should have came to him and asked him why I wasn’t getting to play. I told him it was his decision and that its not my place to question his decisions. He says, “Well, when you get a job and you don’t get a paycheck, are you going to just keep working or are you going to talk to your boss about it? The way I see it, your playing time is your paycheck.” Man that guy was nuts!
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
did he ever give you a reason?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
honestly
best reason was he just didnt like me or the way I played. I wasn’t very vocal and pretty care free. Other than that, no specific reason was ever given.
I broke my elbow in my first fall AB (HBP) – I stayed in the game, stole second, took third on a passed ball, scored on a sac fly. Tried to bat again and my bottom had was coming off on my follow through. He loved me until then, after that, I was “hurt too much” for him. I did get to wear one of those body armor elbow guards after that.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
literally broke it?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
yep
they said on the bench it sounded like someone took a twig and snapped it. Hurt like hell for about 30 seconds, then nothing, so I thought I was good. Trainer thought I would be fine, but suggested an X-Ray just to be sure. It was fractured all the way through (If you are familiar with anatomy, it was across the olecranon process)
Bad thing was, we were playing my old JUCO, I went to high school with the guy that hit me, and I used to haul his 6’8" butt to and from practice. He threw hard, but he had no idea where it was going.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
war stories are always good
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
stav=vlad guerrero?
The bible declares an eye for an eye, so, let us now take our vengeance on this murderous ocean. . . You won't be hurting anyone anymore
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Apr 10, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
John Rodriguez?
"they make an adjustment or look into it, ultimately, somebody's going to get hurt" Carp was seen yelling at the home plate umpire
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 10, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Like I said above
I think Stav was sitting changeup the entire AB and was going to swing at any one close. He got blown away by two "fast"balls, fouled off a change and cranked one that he had no business hitting. If he’s sitting fastball or trying to react, he pulls that ball foul even if he makes contact.
Aside from that, I don’t think there’s really such a thing as a lucky homerun that lands 15 rows back in a dome. Gotta give the Stav some credit on that one.
Not afraid to nitpick
I'm praying coaches look at that and think
“Ok. He’s not gonna make it in the majors doing that crap.”
She's 28.
I think by now her Mom has made sure of that!
A pivotal moment of management last night
Last year Tony would have probably pinch hit for Colby when Narvey came into the game. And, sure, Colby struck out (good PA, though!), but he also was still in the game to work a masterful walk from Grandpa Hoffman in the 9th and let Staviecakes save the season (we would have been a .500 team!).
Good work, Tony. Thanks for staying with Colby.
I still
don’t see how he is going to manage 6 OF, and get more than 500 ABs for Floppy. I want to see Matt, Colby, and Ryan in the lineup daily.
by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Apr 10, 2010 11:27 AM EDT reply actions
Lopez and spell
Ryan, Skippy, and Freese. Mather can sub when Colby needs it. And I’m okay with Stavi staying a PH for most of the games.
Sounds
like a plan. But what about Craig?
by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Apr 10, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
I hope Ryan starts hitting
otherwise, we may see Floppy playing short (perish the thought).
This is such a better problem to have
compared to carrying a 13 man bullpen.
by Mister Eff on Apr 10, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Someone earlier mentioned 3.1 WAR being optimistic
for Ian stewart…I’d have to agree, though its not the biggest piece of nonsense in these projections
the fact that Yadi is only worth .4 WAR more than ianetta is silly…i know catcher defense still isn’t really included in WAR ratings, but it’s just wrong to think those two players are that close
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Well
If you aren’t projecting catcher defense, that makes sense. No one should take WAR for gospel till they get the defense straight, let alone Fan projections of WAR.
Not afraid to nitpick
I agree I would take Yadi
over the Iannetta/Olivo platoon even if it means sacrificing 25hrs in the process, Yadi is Mike Matheny with an actual bat. Forgive the Rockies fans we have never even had a replacement level catcher before, too many years of Kirt Manwaring and Ben Petrick.
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
Yes, I agree
That’s the point. But when you are looking at WAR, you are looking at offense + playing time only for catchers. Ianetta is a better hitter than Yadi.
Not afraid to nitpick
yeah Iannetta was a 3.8 war catcher in 2008
Yadi was 3.4 in 2009 but their really isn’t anyone in MLB that would say they are equivalent players
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
their/there eese interchangeable
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
***Ticket Discount***
word to the wise, if you’re buying through the STL Cards site, code DRURY will give you 50% for Mon-Thurs games in April, or $10 off Fri-Sun games (not valid for opener)
Is that for Drury
in Springfield?
Also, code “JERSEY” gives you buy one get one free. Was my “prize” for buying one of those damn jersey off their back tickets.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Yadi is far superior to Iannetta
Unless Iannetta figures it out with the bat and gets back to the .390 wOBA he posted in 08, Ian Stewart is not a .228 hitter and guys with 11% walk rates and .235 ISO in their 24th year aren’t that hard to project as a 3 WAR playerr. His defense is much better than the -4.9 he posted in UZR last year, and he had a .270 BABIP last year following a .362 the year before.
Jorge De La Rosa seems to me to be the most interesting piece on the staff he has added a change up that sat at 81-83MPH to go with a 94-96MPH fastball with movement and a wicked slider, that 3.7 WAR last year could be a lot lower than this year. He posted 10+ks per 9 in 4 out of 6 months last year, if he consistently produces as he did late last year he give Ubaldo a run for best pitcher on the staff.
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
I think
he is closer to the 22%K rates and 11%BB rates of his high minors than the 35%K he has posted early on in his career I see him as another Troy Glaus type which when you consider he is the 7 hitter isn’t too bad
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
Ahh yeah DLR
was dealing when that guy is on it is electric, when he is off he is Jeff Farnsworth
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
yeah the bad Farnsworth
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
Have lineups been posted?
....my quick smells like french toast...
Twitter: @mstreeter06
by mstreeter06 on Apr 10, 2010 12:18 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Another interesting comparison
Looking at the team broken down in this way, I’m having trouble figuring out why the Rockies are so beloved by the talking heads right now. It seems like they are expected to be more of a championship caliber team than us by many, despite being in what I think is a tougher division. Could just be me. They remind me of the Braves a lot. Not as much star power but more solid top to bottom than most teams.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
I meant "Not as much star power" as teams like the Cardinals
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
I think it was that they won 92 games last year without anyone being exceptional
plus that CarGo, Fowler, Stewart, Tulo, Ubaldo, Hammel are all under 26 the bench is deep and they should only progress. That and they played .600 ball from the middle of June until the playoffs. The Cardinals have more proven players and play in the central where the Stros and Cubs could implode completely this year but they have been winning for so long the Rockies make for a more controversial pick
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
Who cares what "analysts" think?
The Cardinals have a better lineup and rotation than the Rockies. We’re probably as good or better at every position and rotation spot aside from Tulo and Stewart.
Not afraid to nitpick
very true both teams
could use a few more sure things in the bullpen though
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
opening week is the land where Ankiel, Stavinoha, and Silva are really good
Ankiel wOBA: .442 (last night he basically supplied the Royals with offense going 4 for 4 with the game winning hit) http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=7357633 the 4 hits included a home run and a double HFS
Supernoha: walk off pinch hit home run. one plate appearance and an wRC+ of 1198
Silva: first start 1.5 ERA
also, Renteria OPS to start the year: 1.737
"they make an adjustment or look into it, ultimately, somebody's going to get hurt" Carp was seen yelling at the home plate umpire
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 10, 2010 1:14 PM EDT reply actions
I caught the Bob Uecker call of Stav's HR when driving to meet up with some friends last night
I think I let out an audible “Holy shit!” when he said it was a homer. No f’in way.
"There's a new sheriff in town." - Brendan Ryan
were you so shocked that you decided to log on and draft someone
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Lineups
STL
Schumaker 2B
Lopez SS
Pujols 1B
Holliday LF
Rasmus CF
Ludwick RF
Molina C
Freese 3B
Garcia P
MIL
Weeks 2B
Gomez CF
Braun LF
Fielder 1B
McGehee 3B
Hart RF
Zaun C
Escobar SS
Gallardo P
"There's a new sheriff in town." - Brendan Ryan
Beat you by about 2 seconds
It’s a game of inches, this internet thing.
by cloistermaximus on Apr 10, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
It's okay
On your deathbead, you will receive total consciousness
"There's a new sheriff in town." - Brendan Ryan
by jd is legend on Apr 10, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
until today
I though Gallardo was left handed
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
If anybody finds a way to circumvent the FOX blackout, I'm all ears.
Either mlb.tv or some tvants sort of deal will work.
by cloistermaximus on Apr 10, 2010 1:38 PM EDT reply actions
well
i thought you were the guy i just said that twice to and ignored me
i redact the “my god” part of it
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
Mon Dieu, you are prone to over reaction
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
did you ever find out that alternative someone mentioned above
in case of problems with this mlb.tv thing?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
nope
just hoping it works.
i could generally get it to work fine last season with foxyproxy, but this is my first time trying this year with the new player
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
Dios Mio you are a Rasscyst
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laneups!
cardinals -
Schumaker 2b
Lopez ss
Pujols 1b
Holliday lf
Rasmus cf
Ludwick rf
Molina c
Freese 3b
Garcia p
mil-wacky! -
Weeks 2b
Gomez cf
Braun lf
Fielder 1b
McGehee 3b
Hart rf
Zaun c
Escobar ss
Gallardo p
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
i'm shocked
maybe tony couldn’t decide between craig, stav, and bombs, so just said “f’’k it, i’ll just go with lud.”
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
if he gets bombed again
the meltdown could be epic
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I loves me some Fat Z.
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
baker ph homer
4-3 cubs in 9th.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
greetings from miller park
I shall eat a delicious chorizo in honor of Jaime today. Let’s hope Infected heroics are not needed today.
"...and pujols has given st louis the lead"
The Best Defensive Play I Have Seen in Person
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by tgreenfield on Apr 10, 2010 2:04 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
On my way to Tulane-Rice
I couldn’t watch the Cards on MLB Extra Innings, anyway, so I’m less mad about missing the game. May they win in my absence.
hey it's Mo.
Mospeak!
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
give it 50 minutes.
I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons
give it 15 minutes.
I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons
check your pants.
I'm one of those "I don't care how you killed the cow; just serve me a great steak" guys. If the results are logical and easy to understand, I'm pouring some A1 sauce on that formula and eating it. UZR qualifies. -Bill Simmons
gotta get it
got, got to get it
I created the first #BrendanRyan hashtag on Twitter
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
TWIB is still on the Yankees portion of the program.
waiting for anything interesting.
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
this is boring.
Boog and Bombs is so much better.
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
this week in baseball seems to be an awful lot about five months ago in baseball.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
oh they did not.
all the home runs of opening day… and no Albert. none of the home runs.
Colby’s D made it in.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
i'm wondering which game albert goes off
today for the rook or tomorrow for carp. it’s always been my impression that carp pitching brings out the best in apu. those are the splits i’d be most interested in – how each of our hitters has performed for each of our pitchers. i understand it’s counter-intuitive, but i think there’s something there.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
i'm watching cubs-reds on mlb.tv
harang just got his first career pickoff – lee in the role of braun.
btw, this game i’m pretty sure would have been blacked-out last year. i read an article somewhere a week or two ago about how mlb.tv has eased the blackout restrictions this year.
in other news, silva has a sore shoulder – status uncertain.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
SOON, PRECIOUSSSS.
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
WTF?
Rays and Yankees in SWMO???
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
keep calm
it’s their pre-game show. they’ll cut to everyone else shortly.
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
i'm SO GLAD I know the weather in Tampa is "indoors"
thanks, Lowes.
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
everyone went to exotic locations
McCann played Call of Duty.
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
ok, that was really smooth of JRoll.
“Brownie points.” hahaha.
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
ok
Im calm, for now. I haven’t got to watch a game yet due to all the day games(We have Dish Network at the clinic I’m in right now, but no ESPN or FSMW), the blues game last night, and other things getting in the way. My life’s been like a conspiracy against me being able to watch the games.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
clearly it's time for you to start the revolution.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
and i didnt even mention
that the internet provider at work isn’t an espn3 provider. How does one start a revolution? Listen to Rage Against the Machine?
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
i'm not sure
i’m stocking up on alcohol.
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
the Machine
not being Albert though, one would be crazy to revolt against that Machine. I would certainly be eliminated
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
I think guns are usually involved...
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
What are you talking about...
Eric Karros is nothing if not fair and balanced… just keep in mind The Cardinals aren’t this good and the Cubs aren’t this bad.
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
great. shirtless tailgaters.
must be Milwaukee.
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
we get stockton and karros.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I have a few pre-game questions...
1. Is there a misprint on STLToday, MLB.com, CBS Sports, FOX Sports, ESPN, and STLCardinals? I thought Carpenter was pitching today.
2. How did Big Z do?
3. Who is former Cardinal farmhand Jack Wilson playing for this year?
Thanks in advance for your help.
I see what you did there...
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
why is it not carpenter
i feel betrayed
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Although you have to be happy
they got Jaime’s name right…
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
....not if you're listening to the radio.
we got advance notice of that, at least. hahaha Shannon.
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
yeah the big 550
doesn’t exactly make it up here to Chicago…
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
The Big 550
barely makes it 30 minutes outside of St. Louis.
That station suffers from a weak stream.
by Ghostrider520 on Apr 10, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
the older they get...
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Why did they have to buy part of the station...
so much better when it was on KMOX
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
it depends on how many times people ask it.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I don't see why it shouldn't be.
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
see what happens, people.
kudos to ghostrider for picking up my braintwin slack.
we were busy constructing fanfic this morning.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
So is this the game thread today?
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
i like living in texas
because mexican proxies have low ping latency
woo
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
Boxee will be really nice in HD once the bugs are worked out
They used a sold H.264 codec. Much better than the browser stuff.
by FlimtotheFlam on Apr 10, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
i tried boxee earlier
and it was all glitchy and then froze up
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
probably because you were using the High feed instead of Normal
by FlimtotheFlam on Apr 10, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
ah
maybe
i did set it to go to HQ by default instead of asking
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
are there any decent alternatives other than boxee?
i don’t feel like trying it out, and so far i haven’t been able to find a stream. f’n fox.
Just look at my first How to Circumvent fanpost
by FlimtotheFlam on Apr 10, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
No Boog?
Damnit first game thread of the year and no friggin Boog.. this sucks.
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
scoot's starting the revolution above.
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Number 9
Number 9 number 9 number 9 Crap I screwed that up…
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
Skip looks really OCD-y today.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Call in with cramps...
wait that only works for chicks… I got nothin for ya.
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
migraine?
Flu-like symptoms?
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
plague
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
violent squirts...
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
works every time
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
stav infection
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
explosive diarrhea
works every time, most of the time.
I think VEB has had this discussion before and the * ended up choosing strep throat
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Thank God
finally, Cards and Brewers in 42" of high definition
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
50's better
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
for a second I was confused
“He’s a guy who can spell Schumaker or Ryan…”
and I thought, it’s written on their jerseys
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
do we? what's our comment count?
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Not high.
But I feel weird commenting on the game in a post that compares the Rockies and Cardinals pitching staffs.
by Ghostrider520 on Apr 10, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
ok, I'll take care of it.
but I expect brownies.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
yeah i agree
i don’t want to push a bunch of comments on this thread which should be used for discussion.
follow me on twitter @nickg105
by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 10, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
are we using this as the game thread?
follow me on twitter @nickg105
by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 10, 2010 3:15 PM EDT reply actions
Don't worry no one will answer you...
I already tried.
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
This is just embarassing...
on the complete coverage thing there is no VEB game thread… looks like we dont’ care. Or not. I’m not sure.
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
it's a casual care
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Do they have a parabolic on the ump?
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
Well then you're obviously not one of the cool kids...
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
wow
so that’s what that is. i was wondering what karros was doing
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
Apparently both teams
have early supper plans tonite…
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
yadi2second claims he's on it
i don’t believe him.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 10, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
at this pace
the game might be voer by the time i go to work
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
Braun's restraunt...
dress code has to require Ed Hardy or popped collars right?
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
Braun on facebook
promoting “Douchey’s” a restaurant for the douchiest douches in doucheland
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Cafe J'Douche
I’ll have the braised asparagus and a Zima.
by olddomination on Apr 10, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
douche du jour
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
y'all are so impatient
THREAD
http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2010/4/10/1414542/garcia-v-gallardo-april-10-2010
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
its about time
we almost had a revolution on our hands here!
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
I had to fight the SBN
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did you see what i did there
I was rather proud of myself
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
YADII!!!!
"they make an adjustment or look into it, ultimately, somebody's going to get hurt" Carp was seen yelling at the home plate umpire
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 10, 2010 3:30 PM EDT reply actions
that pick of skip laughing at braun has been cracking me up all day
lol!
"they make an adjustment or look into it, ultimately, somebody's going to get hurt" Carp was seen yelling at the home plate umpire
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 10, 2010 9:53 PM EDT reply actions
*pic
"they make an adjustment or look into it, ultimately, somebody's going to get hurt" Carp was seen yelling at the home plate umpire
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 10, 2010 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions
i thought he was sexily stearing into my soul
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