Lugo Traded To The Orioles
by dan on Apr 1, 2010 9:48 AM EDT
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Not an April Fools Joke. More here (http://is.gd/b9IvO). So, what does this mean? Floppy can obviously do everything that Lugo can (except, perhaps, kill with his stare), but this makes our MIF depth a little thin. Do we keep Stav and Craig on the roster? I guess we'll have to wait and see who we get back from the O's, but where's the fun in that?!
Speculate! Speculate! Speculate!
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As I said in the main thread
I really don’t think Tony is going into the season with one middle infield utility, especially one that will spot start against lefties at 2B and really shouldn’t ever play SS. I would guess Greene will be recalled as a backup middle infielder, but maybe not at the start of the season. Probably going to depend on what happens with Hawksworth’s DL I would imagine.
Carrying those three outfielders all at the same time makes no damn sense to me at all, regardless of how well they play 3B, they aren’t going to play much there anyway.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
dunno if this has has pointed out already
probably, but here we go anyway
La Russa felt confident enough about it to have already notified outfield candidates Joe Mather, Allen Craig and Nick Stavinoha that they all have made the Cardinals’ season-opening roster.
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
nice
Allen Craig > Nick Stavinoha
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 1, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
how does this mesh with tlr saying there was nothing further the three could do
to make the roster – didn’t he say it would be two of the three?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
he said
“there’s nothing any of them can do to change our decision”
he was being clever, because, well, they’re all making the club
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
I saw that after I posted...
I still don’t think it’s going to last for too long. Where are you going to get all three of those guys AB’s? Greene just makes so much more sense for this ballclub.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
he kind of pointed at them in lieu of calling them by name
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
"He hugged first baseman Albert Pujols and remained in street clothes"
Brings a tear to my eye (via)
Testicle-exploding shit storms, to date: T.E.S.S '08, T.E.S.S '09
here's the Globe-Dem
http://www.globe-democrat.com/news/2010/apr/01/julio-lugo-reports-he-has-been-traded/
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
If Flop, Ryan, or Schu go down, there will be no one to back up SS or 2nd
I guess maybe someone is coming back from Baltimore but who? Do they still have Iz2 on their team? Please tell me it’s not him.
E
is right.
sigh.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Apr 1, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
i still remember him from his other cups of coffee
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I second that
Knowing the CBA makes me happy ;)
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
it's a ptbnl
and it won’t be a very good one. Still, if we get a C+ sorta prospect out of this, I think it’s a good move. Someone of the sort we dealt for Khalil last year (Gregerson/Worrell).
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Apr 1, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually, Gregerson was a really good prospect (who wound up pitching a solid 74 innings with the Padres last season).
nah, he was a C+ sort of prospect
who wound up having a good season. 28th round draft pick, rated him #37 in the organization in 2009 by scout.com, #28 in the org by baseballamerica, etc.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
and a year where his era at petco was around 1
and on the road was around 8. that wouldn’t really work for the cardinals.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I has a sad. I liked Lugo a lot, although I realize his shortcomings.
I created the first #BrendanRyan hashtag on Twitter
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
Come on, Felix Pie!
"What's your favorite Chuck Palahniuk book?"
"I like the one about the alienated character who finds the socially unacceptable way of coping with modernity."
no whammy, no whammy
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
yes, another outfielder!
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
my point exactly.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
We'll need him if we're still planning to swap him for Utley.
"What's your favorite Chuck Palahniuk book?"
"I like the one about the alienated character who finds the socially unacceptable way of coping with modernity."
hes our 3rd catcher remmeber?
wouldn’t you rather have Stav or Pags?
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
is that a trick question?
if not, then no.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
it is a PTBNL
this is being tweeted and reported by the Baltimore Sun
i can’t wait to hear the rumors of who the choices might be
My first memory of Cardinals baseball is seeing Darrell Porter jump into Bruce Sutter's arms on October 20, 1982!
TY WIGGINTON!!!
He rocks on fantasy baseball (or did a few years ago) because he is available for 1B, 2B, 3B, SS AND OF.
Also, kinda resembles Hoggish Greedly from Captain Planet...
= 
by The Classical on Apr 1, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't think Wigginton has ever played SS in his life (maybe a couple of innings in the minors or something?)
he played every other position, though.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Apr 1, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
my guess is the ptbnl is going to the rays
and zobrist comes to st. louis. just a guess.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I do not want Zobrist to supplant the Boog. evar.
I created the first #BrendanRyan hashtag on Twitter
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
no, zobrist would just take lugo's spot (presently occupied by stav)
he’d be the atomic bomb of secret weapons.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Red Sox, get your free Red Sox
Great, now who’s going to fill our Free Red Sock quota?
"But as the leadoff guy that inning, my job is to get on base and let guys drive me in." - Albert Pujols 8/20/09, base-clogger.
Did I read right?
WWL said the Cards were going to pay most of Lugo’s 2010 salary of 9 million. This would seem like a deal-breaker to me if it were true, especially since the Cards had Lugo essentially for free from the Bosox.
WWL isn't connecting the dots
The BoSux don’t pay Lugo directly, they pay the Cardinals. His check is written by the Cards. After the trade, the Os will pay his check. The Cards will pay Baltimore. Boston will pay the Cards. We are just the middleman.
Middle man
As the middle man do we get to keep some of the mula? That’s my question…by that I mean are we required to pay everything from the BoSox to the O’s?
most likely
but we were also paying him league minimum so now the O’s will pay that part and we replace him with league minimum Craig/Stav
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
3 PBTN Candidates
James Hoey
http://www.scoutingbook.com/players/p2303
Brett Jacobson
http://www.scoutingbook.com/players/p2534
Tony Butler
http://www.scoutingbook.com/players/p2240
Jacobson will be nice
but I doubt we could get him – I think he’s a genuine prospect. The other two are more fringey types. It looks like Butler got injured last year and was only involved in a few low A and rookie-ball innings as a reliever.
Hoey’s line looks a lot like a crappier version of Francisco Samuel’s in AA last year, and it looks like that shoulder surgery in 2008 has put his career somewhat in jeopardy. Given his numbers before that, I guess he wouldn’t be the worst lottery ticket in the world, but I’d kinda rather go for someone with a bit more chance of success.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Apr 1, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
hope we get a prospect
although cash is always nice
damn, my VEL team name is a little less cool now (The Glare)
oh well, Lugo was redundant once FLopez joined the team again
Allen Craig > Nick Stavinoha
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 1, 2010 12:18 PM EDT reply actions
man
i drafted lugo solely to have a cardinal on my team!
maybe i should drop him and pic up mather or stav
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
Generally speaking
I like this move. We got 2 decent months out of Lugo, and possibly some low-end prospect, basically for free.
I imagine Tyler Greene likes this move too because he’s presumably a good bet for a very early season call-up now.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
Here are my suggestions
Based on several factors (Lugo’s talent-level, Cards needs, Orioles depth) I suspect they end up getting either a right-handed reliever or an outfielder. Here are a few folks on the Orioles AAA club that would be pretty swell.
-Joey Gathright (CF, .329 AVG, 24 SB)
-Jeff Fiorentino (LF, .312 AVG, 12 HR)
-Jim Miller (RP, 2.64 ERA, 1.28 WHIP, 17 SV)
-Ross Wolf (RP, 3.95 ERA, 1.26 WHIP)
Of all the options, I think Miller is the least likely, as he is closing for Norfolk. Still, any of these guys seems like about the right price for Lugo. Perhaps two of them if we’re greedy…
Did Gathright get picked up by the Orioles after the Blue Jays released him? I missed that.
I created the first #BrendanRyan hashtag on Twitter
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
I like Gathright but I don't think we can use him.
I created the first #BrendanRyan hashtag on Twitter
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
But he can jump over a car!
And he’s generally a happy person!
He’s not pure garbage, but I don’t see the use of him on our team, or any team that doesn’t use running as a main strategy. He might have had a place in the Whiteyball era. Maybe.
I created the first #BrendanRyan hashtag on Twitter
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
the oakland a's of charles o. finley
they had a track guy (washington?) on the roster just to run.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Who's that kid on the Rays that they put in just to run during the postseason?
I liked him. he was awesome.
I created the first #BrendanRyan hashtag on Twitter
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
i think you mean fernando perez
switch-hitter who plays OF.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
The Ivy-League poet? Doubly awesome.
I created the first #BrendanRyan hashtag on Twitter
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
He's only useful to any team
as a pinch runner and maybe a late-inning defensive replacement.
Can’t hit, can’t get on base, and zero power.
As the old adage goes, “you can’t steal first.”
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
Ross Wolf...
would be fantastic. He grew up 2 hours east of St. Louis and was on my high school team. He has pitched in the majors before with the Marlins a couple of years ago, but didn’t have a lot of success. His numbers were really good last year until late in the year, he had a few bad outings (he threw 82 innings out of the pen which seems high).
I don't think we should get our hopes up....
The Batimore Sun report—updated less than an hour ago—says that the player to be named later could be a minor league prospect OR cash. Lugo, to be blunt, didn’t have a lot of trade value, so I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s cash.
I agree.. a lot of players would be a good deal for us, but I am sure its none of them
its probably cash or a career AA.
fiorentino went to japan, iirc.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
april fool's?
I still think this is some sort of joke…
I have a love/hate relationship with the Cardinals' middle relief corps. | Cards on Cards
The Lugo deal isn't listed on the Rotoworld sidebar anymore.
It was there earlier. Hmmm.
I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.
by The Continental on Apr 1, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
it's on espn now
and people are blasting it for the lackof investigational journalism
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=5046999
This guys so good(Pujols) He should be illegal-Pirates announcers
For a PTBNL or Cash....we probably need some more practice baseballs..you know with
all the ones Pujols and Holliday and Luddy and Rasmus hit out of the park during BP warmups,
Don't forget the ones Big Mac is launching out of there.
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
I don't think this team will miss Lugo too much.
T. Greene has had a really shitty spring, but based on his AAA season I feel that if we ever need a MIF I’m comfortable with him.
is greene ahead of gotay
in general (if boog specifically were injured then i assume it’d be greene getting the call)?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
good question, i'm not sure
I’m also not sure why the Orioles didn’t just sign Felipe Lopez, seems pretty stupid on their part.
But he was able to get a better one
Where he’d be competing for the playoffs. So he was lucky he didn’t take the first offer a last team gave him. Plus, look how bad he played when he was on the Nationals in last place.
Since he stunk with the Nats,
he’d be horrible with the O’s?
The Diamondbacks weren’t exactly the New York Yankees last year. He had arguably the best season of his career for a team that won 70 games and finished in the cellar 25 games out of first.
Besides, I don’t think there’s any evidence he was even offered a job with the Orioles.
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
Even if they just pay him an extra 500 grand, that's still a huge percent increase from his current contract
and he’d still be underpaid.
Felipe Lopez doesn’t make enough money for that kind of dough to not matter.
it might not
hell, we don’t know if he would have rather taken less to play for a team that is more likely to contend, but I bet that he would (and did)
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
playing time was a factor too
he knew he’d have an opportunity to get lots of action in stl and then hit free-agency again.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
he was coming into a great free agent season this year
and only got 1 mil during spring training.
Prospects of cashing in on free agency are slipping away from Lopez.
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
had he signed earlier i think he gets substantially more
and that with another good year he can get o-dog type deals. we don’t know exactly what happened with boras except he fired him.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I think this is a good move.
So far Mo has turned Duncan into a half season of a free-productive super-sub, and will turn that free super-sub into a prospect. It just keeps getting better!
Last year
Did anyone think we could get a prospect for Duncan? That’s effectively what’s happened here.
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
until we get cash instead
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
is this where we say
you know, Taskmaster…
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
ahahaha
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
We were going to release Lugo
so we’ll be lucky to get a B prospect. I’m guessing we take someone who had some upside at one time who has been sidelined by an injury. It won’t be a Gregorsen. Greene had much more going for him than lugo.
Just win
we were going to release lugo?
how did you divine that?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
he is right, let me find the link
The club was prepared to release Lugo this weekend had it been unable to work a trade, according to a team source
So if the source is to be trusted, it looks like he was going to be released if he could not be traded.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
ok, didn't know that they would actually do that for him
though i think it’s cool they were willing to accommodate him with a release so he could find more playing time, i don’t necessarily agree with the sentiment – sometimes you just gotta tell guys to suck it up and be the 25th man rather than weakening your ballclub.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
It does help maintain St. Louis' image as a place players want to be.
You can read it in any tone you like.
there's that
which is why i don’t mind it when it’s not a huge deal – word-of-mouth here is more valuable than the diff between lugo-stav, i suppose. trading a guy at his request is one thing, which is luckily how it turned out, but willing to outright release him, that’s good PR.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
No we weren't
He was free, there would be no reason.
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
yeah, you don't release free mlb players
he is not a AAAA player, like stav. i’m in the minority, but i liked lugo on the bench as 25th man, and don’t like this deal until i see what is returned. now if you want to argue that this allowed craig to make the team, fine, i’m all for that, but the logic stinks because craig should have made it over stav anyway.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
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