Jaime Garcia the presumptive fifth starter, again
by DanUpBaby on Mar 26, 2010 6:00 AM EDT
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PrintIf you've been keeping track... well, it probably wasn't any help. As Smoltz faded from view near the end of the offseason I assumed Jaime Garcia was atop the fifth starter race by default. Then Rich Hill signed a minor league deal and it seemed like it was a race. Then—and this is the part that threw me off—Duncan and La Russa began to talk up Kyle McClellan in the same predestined way they had once talked up Skip Schumaker. For some time it appears to be a two-man race that does not involve Jaime Garcia at all.
And now, if you believe Joe Strauss, he has just about won the job. If you were to make a Cardinals Positional Battle flowchart, as is popular on the internet, it would be impossible to navigate; there would be arrows that don't lead anywhere, boxes piled on top of boxes, inexplicable items labeled "hit the pitcher eighth?" and "can Skip play there?" and "Gallego!" It would look like the back of an audiophile's entertainment center.
But however they arrived at this tentative conclusion—Rich Hill certainly forced his hand, but the team just seemed to lose interest in either the thought of Kyle McClellan starting or the thought of the bullpen not having Kyle McClellan in it—it's an exciting one for these Cardinals. Somewhere the ghost of Anthony Reyes is smiling down on the proceedings. Somewhere Alan Benes is having his prosthetic right arm fitted with a celebratory homegrown starter patch.
Jaime Garcia succeeding in the rotation in 2010 leaves the Cardinals better off in multiple ways. For one thing, Kyle McClellan is probably a better bet at helping the Cardinals in relief in 2010 than, say, Adam Ottavino.
Certainly it's a shame that the Cardinals won't get a chance to see if McClellan can be a valuable starter at the back of a rotation; that's a position for which the Cardinals have spent several million a year in the last several years, from Brett Tomko and Kip Wells to Brad Penny, and the regrettable Braden Looper deal aside (at least the first year of it) the Cardinals have valued set-up guys at a justifiably lower rate. If a good set-up man can turn into a decent starter the Cardinals can pocket the difference.
But given the current makeup of the team, this is probably the best look they can muster. Relievers are extremely volatile year-to-year, and breakouts can occur at any time, but the one guy who looked ready to do it is in AAA camp. In the meantime, Ryan Franklin has been Ryan Franklin, Jason Motte has—stop me if you've heard this one—had decent peripherals but terrible results, and Blake Hawksworth has apparently found a place in the bullpen from which the Hawk Signal is invisible. The Cardinals could use Kyle McClellan in a situation like this, even after accounting for the risk that Dan'n'Al stand for a third consecutive year in unexplainable awe of his ability to be pretty-good.
Ideally the Cardinals could use every potentially average starter in the rotation; but since they cannot, and only one of the two people now in this race, so far as I know, can be a right-handed reliever, this is the right way to use their resources in 2010.
But the difference between establishing McClellan in the rotation and establishing Garcia in the rotation is Jaime's ceiling—he is the proverbial number three starter, and for the privilege of having a proverbial number three starter the Cardinals recently spent $41 million. This year Garcia gets the Cardinals off the Todd Wellemeyer treadmill; next year he saves them the money that could be spent, pre-Holliday, on guys like Brad Penny.
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Whatever happens, I must say it's fun to see the roster finally firming up. Spring Training is great, and I enjoy watching the guys I know as lines in box scores; if the Cardinals aired all their minor league games on TV I'd be just about out of free time. But eventually I just want to see the St. Louis Cardinals, playing games that count in the standings. However Garcia/McClellan and Craig/Mather/Stavinoha end up, it will be great to see them end.
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Gustavo is the imposter, by the way.
he’s from Venezuela.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
sounds like an old wrestler
“Gustavo the Imposter”- You’re lying if you didn’t just picture The Iron Sheik in your head
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
by scoot on Mar 26, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
McClellan a starter
With Brad Penny being less than stellar this spring and Kyle McClellan having done nothing wrong in his starts is there a chance that we see Garcia and McClellan start in the rotation? If Penny has another bad outing then do we suddenly find he has “shoulder soreness” and starts the year on the DL to get his head right, McClellan gets to start a couple of games while Penny “rehabs” and starts a couple of AAA games?
That sort of thing would not surprise me
But I’m guessing people will point out that Penny is probably still “working on pitches” or something? If that is so he’ll probably be pronounced ready to go as normal.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Spring training stats for pitchers are pretty meaningless
really, spring training stats for players are pretty meaningless. Something may be wrong with Penny. He may very well still be working on his pitches. Until he gets shelled in a couple of real starts, it’s hard to tell, unless you’re TLR or Duncan and actually trying to get him to do things and talk to him.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
Totally agree
I’m not going to pencil anyone in or out of the roster unless I hear it from the mothership.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
I Was Saying' Something like This..
….the udder day, and it wouldn’t surprise me at all. Penny has not looked good this Spring; he probably cud benefit from a mystery injury rehab assignment of a couple weeks in AAA to start the year, IMO. KMac and Garcia can hold the 4 & 5 slot, and once penny returns (assuming he’s better), KMac can go back in the ‘pen. There is a chance, though no one likes to think about it, that Penny will just be terrible this year and we will have to hang on both KMac and Garcia both in the rotation – I don’t think that’s a bad thing at all, and I have to say that the club is better off today than it has been in a few years for starter depth. Udder unmentionable possibilities (which will remain unmentionable) cud also happen, so its good that we can have a solid cowtingency plan. I will feel happier with the rotation once we’re through May, but we cud be in flux until then, depending on what happens.
:=8)
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
and then put Penny in the pen
and let him throw 145 MPH like he did in that All Star game(whenever that was)
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
Welcome your new #3 starter...
…Jaime Garcia.
If we are going to be in the busines of ranking the pitchers from Ace to 5, isn’t Garcia already the #3 or #4 starter. If we are going to start ranking guys, Penny should be out of the rotation already.
Penny alway struck me as someone who could extend his career as a closer.
I really like
the idea of Penny as a closer at some point. Maybe not in STL, I don’t like paying a lot of money to any one reliever, but one would think his stuff would transfer well as a closer.
by QuadCitiesCardsFan on Mar 26, 2010 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions
It's Spring. Training.
He’s had good velocity that is the only thing that matters. We’re talking 14 innings of practice. That is what Spring is for veterans: practice. We talkin bout practice.
Tim Lincecum has a 9 ERA and 8 BBs in 7 innings….who cares?
Not afraid to nitpick
Lincecum is sure to go on the DL with a phantom shoulder injury.
Also, perhaps Lincecum would be better suited for closer.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Mar 26, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Lincecum is getting old
At 25, it might be time for him to think about extending his career as a closer.
True, true.
That’s definitely best considering his throwing motion and body-type.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Mar 26, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
thank you, some of our fellow posters need some context.
Carp even after a very solid outing yesterday has an ERA of over 6 for the spring. are we to have him be penny’s setup man now?
carp sets up for no man
he’d obviously be the closer
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Kinda my point...
…If you are in the business of ranking you pitchers before the season starts based on performance then Penny wouldn’t be in the rotation, but because we know better that isn’t the case. Garcia could be the 3rd best pitcher on the staff by the end of the season, based on his potential.
My point on Penny as a closer is that he has been a bit fragile in the past—so reducing the mileage on his arm would benefit him; has that slightly unbalance mentality that the role requires; and in short spurts he can throw some pretty absurd stuff.
by BigJawnMize on Mar 26, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe Penny or Lincecum could make their teammates better by practicing?
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Practice
So what you’re saying is that the (little) bears are who we thought they were?
by DarkHelmut on Mar 26, 2010 12:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
what's up with his thumb?
and what pitch is that? are both pictures the same pitch? why is sean marshall so ugly?
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
pitching-face is a little unfair in terms of judging appearance
and the uniform does him no favors.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Mar 26, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I've seen way worse pitching faces than that, too
I always thought Glavine’s pitching face was oddly serene.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Ugliest pitching face...evar!
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Mar 26, 2010 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions
A face that only a mother could love...
makes Jack Clark look like a handsome man.
CALL A FAIR GAME BLUE!
by One Flew Over The Cardinals Nest on Mar 26, 2010 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I was going more off of memory from tv
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
YES
This was one of my favorite baseball cards ever – I thought the technology was so cool:
(can’t find it without that stupid Bust trophy on it)
Sliders?
Considering how close his first two fingers are to each other I am guessing slider, I bet he snap that thumb out to get a little extra spin. The ball is a little to choked for it to be a fastball.
Both shots I think are sliders.
You put your fingers on the seam
to tail a change-up too though.
Don’t you think that’s way to far back into his thumb socket and fingers to be a slider?
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
It kinda looks like he does
although it’s a big circle. Looks more like this 3 finger grip here.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
just looks very painful
and I pitched through college
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
That's a change up of some sort
he’s holding it WAY back in his hand, and having he thumb underneath like that would give him some tailing action in toward a left handed batter and away from a right handed batter. It’s not the “circle-change” grip you’d see from someone like Glavine, but it’s a similar pitch in terms of movement and speed i’d imagine.
There’s no way that’s a slider grip — it’s too far back in the hand. He wouldn’t be able to get the requisite spin required of a slider with a grip like that.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
i dunno a whole lot about pitching
but how the hell is that a change up grip? how is he gonna get it to spin the right way with that grip?
here is a google image search for “change up grip” and none of them look anything similar to that grip
my (uneducated) guess would be something like a slider, slutter, cutter, slurve or something
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
Ok...here's an image from your search
Change-up Pic
Now, if you offset the seams to a more two seam grip, that looks almost identical to the grip in the pictures above. It looks like a modified three finger grip only with the thumb a bit lower so he can get some run on the ball the moves away from right handed hitters, as I said.
how is he gonna get it to spin the right way with that grip?
What’s the “right” spin for a change-up? Most lefty change-ups move down and in to lefties, this looks to give that kind of spin…
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
i don't think
it looks like that pic at all. the thumb notwithstanding, marshall is using two fingers, pushed together, right next to the seam. that pic has three fingers spread apart laying across the seams
my understand is that the right spin for a change up is as you described. so the coming out of marshall’s hand it would break away from a rightie. which means it would have to roll out of the non-thumb side of his hand. like a circle change would. the way he’s holding it looks like it would roll out of the thumb side of the hand (like a slider, cutter, curve, etc) and break in on a righty.
to further explain, (again only my understanding which may be wrong) in the pic above, to throw it with change up action, the last finger to be touching the ball should be the ring finger. which will give it the appropriate spin as it;s leaving his hand. on a circle change, it would be the pinky. i don’t see how anything other than marshall’s index finger would be the last thing to touch the ball. making it spin clockwise (from an overhead view) and thus, break away from a lefty
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
Looking again
You might be right. It just looks too deep in the hand to me to be anything other than a change-up. He does throw a good curveball, but there’s no way that’s a curveball grip, he wouldn’t be able to keep it in his hand long enough to keep it from tumbling out the bottom while he torquing over the top of his motion. Maybe it is a slider, but I think a slider would be really hard to spin effectively from that ball position.
Is Marshall on Twitter? Maybe we could ask him what that pitch is!
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
i'm just going with screwball
seriously though, does the guy have an odd thumb? it looks like something that was surgically attached to his hand.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
after googling around a bit
it looks a lot like this grip
which i found on veb and which the consensus seemed to be that it’s his one seamer. does marshall throw a sinker?
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Mar 26, 2010 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions
They wanna kiss you
They couldn’t care less about the team strug-guh-ling.
They wanna kiss you.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Mar 26, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
That's incredibly accurate
A rec!
"There's a new sheriff in town." - Brendan Ryan
by jd is legend on Mar 26, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
they just spent $8mil or whatever on a penny
so they will start him
Allen Craig > Nick Stavinoha
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 26, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
UZR, TZ & +/- question
i know defensive data should roughly cover three years to provide a decent picture of a player’s defensive ability. but is one year indicative of what happened in that year? or are defensive stats still too rough an estimate to even provide an accurate picture of what happened in a given year?
for example, ben zobrist had a superb year in the field according to uzr, vaulting his war over pujols. does our suspicion of uzr render the 2009 data inaccurate as to 2009 (what actually happened) or is it that we need more data to effectively forecast or judge his true talent level?
hypothetical statement: “yes, zobrist was, in fact, worth 20 something runs defensively in 2009, but we cannot use 2009 alone to judge or establish his true talent level as a fielder.”
thanks.
by sra on Mar 26, 2010 7:56 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
This is an excellent question, and your hypothesis is mostly correct...
Except we can’t exactly say “worth 20 something runs” definitively. All we can say is that he had a UZR that indicated he was worth ~20 runs. I’d be getting in a little over my head with the nitty gritty if I try to extrapolate further, so I’ll let MGL take over. He talks about this point when discussing how UZR can fluctuate so wildly:
Player A has a stellar UZR (or OPS, or lwts, or ERA, or FIP, or whatever) one year and then a really bad one the next year. Or vice versa. Player is not hurt in one of those years and healthy in the other, as far as we know. How can this be! Dial 911! How can a player be fantastic with the glove one year (say, according to UZR) and terrible the next year. That just can’t be! There must be something wrong with the metric!
When a player has a good or great UZR in any time period, it does NOT mean that he is a good or great player and it does not even mean that he had a good or great year with the glove. What does it mean, you ask? Well, it doesn’t mean anything other than he had a good or great UZR. It really doesn’t. He may be a bad or average defensive player who had a good 147 games with the glove (woop-de-do_. It may be a bad or average defensive player who did NOT have a good or great year with the glove but the way we measure defense with UZR just got it wrong. That does NOT mean that UZR is a bad measurement device. It just means that it is not a PERFECT measurement device. It is the same thing with offense. People think that the measurement of offense is "perfect" because we have these neat little bins that offensive performance goes into (singles, doubles, triples). Well, guess what? For the purposes of measuring offensive talent and using that measurement to predict future offensive performance, those neat little bins are crap. A player could have a good or great year on lwts or OPS and he could be a bad player who either DID have a good or great year on offense, OR he could be an average (or bad) player who did NOT have a great year on offense, but we were fooled into thinking that he did because of those misleading artificial neat little offensive bins. If Tony Womack has a good year on lwts or OPS because he got a whole bunch of bleeders through the IF, a crapload of bloop hits to the OF, and 2 or 3 HR balls that went just over the fence on a windy day in Wrigley Field… Well, you get the idea.
You really have to read his full discussion on the topic, which can be found here. It is exactly on point for your question, and is worthy of a bookmark.
thanks
i had a feeling one of those guys had explained it somewhere, but i just couldn’t find it. thank you.
in light of the innaccuracies of one year, would it be better to use a 3 year/regressed number to discuss a player’s performance in a given year or is the single season uzr, uzr/150 or whatever other metric more indicative? i ask this one because i think i recall the fielding bible awards citing 3 year +/- ratings in their single season awards.
by sra on Mar 26, 2010 9:41 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think that in discussing a players value in that specific year,
using just one year of data is fine because we are talking about what happened that year. Is it perfect? No, but it is the best metric that we currently have, and I personally don’t think that we should count what happened in previous seasons to try to refine the results for what happened in the most current year.
All that said, that only holds for looking backwards to determine who provided the most value. If we are going to start making projections or asking “who is the better defender” then obviously we should consider more than just one year of data.
To explain a little further...
Not all of the fluctuation in UZR is directly creditable to nuances of the metric. Player performance varies wildly, just like offense does from one year to the next. Whether it is injuries, improvement, aging, or whatever, performance will change from year to year. I don’t think it is fair to normalize the metric over a longer time period any more than it would be fair to normalize a Brady Anderson-esque offensive performance when judging that singular year.
that was my thought too
i usually have a hard time confidently explaining to my non-sabr friends the difference between value (looking back) and ability (looking forward). it’s come up a lot recently with folks who discredit me for reading fangraphs or fangraphs because “they say zobrist is better than pujols.” but i usually offer something similar to your answer as my best guess.
thanks again.
by sra on Mar 26, 2010 10:16 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Thoughts
I really don’t think actual defensive player performance swings as wildly as UZR does, especially for outfielders.
The things that vary in outfielders that affect performance are speed, reads, routes and arm. That’s really all there is to it. Speed and throwing ability won’t be changing much year-to-year aside from injuries. Are a big league player’s reads/routes really going to be changing very much after playing 20 years of baseball? Maybe, but I would think they would only be getting better if anything.
I understand there will be variation in how a guy actually performs vs. his “true talent”, but this “well offense swings wildly too!” thing doesn’t do it for me because the margin of error in hitting is tiny. Defense shouldn’t have nearly the variability of offense. If Albert Pujols is a tick off in his swing, he’d barely be a major leaguer if at all. [Insert cliche round bat round ball] If you are a step slower on defense, I really wouldn’t think you go from being Carl Crawford to Adam Dunn.
If a guy ran a 4.3 40 and then a 5.0 40, we’d be having some issues with the stopwatch because running speed isn’t going to change very much. Defense isn’t as consistent is running speed, but I think it should be much moreso than hitting. A guy’s speed/reads/routes/arm aren’t going to be going from below average to the best in the game like what routinely happens with UZR.
This is not saying UZR is worthless, I’m saying you can’t just take it at face value. 1-year UZR is the best estimate we have of actual defensive performance if all we have is that one year, but we can make a better guess on Actual Defensive Performance with some logic/more information. Was Ludwick really a +10 defender in 2007 and then a +1 for the past two years, or was he really more likely just something like +5 in 2007? I’m going with the latter based on scouting and his UZR the past two years.
(I’m not talking about true talent, I’m saying Ludwick’s +10 was probably the result of some of the problems in one year of UZR. He had a good year with the glove and was a +5 actual defender, but in 2007 the inherent variability in UZR swung him incorrectly at +10.)
*This probably makes no sense but I can’t word it any better
Not afraid to nitpick
dumb question: do outfield coaches exist?
or are they just supposed to ping around like pinballs till they learn caroms or get a shot to the nuts?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Mar 26, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
he's the soft pat on a young man's back.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Mar 26, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Andy Van Slyke did double duty
as 1B coach and OF coach with the Tigers
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Mar 26, 2010 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with most of this, actually.
I think it is pretty safe to assume that UZR fluctuates more than offensive metrics while the underlying skills that determine fielding performance aren’t as volatile.
So what else could it be? I think we are overlooking opportunity. That is, how many times does an outfielder really handle the ball a game? 5? 10? And how many of those are fielding easy singles or cans of corn? More than half, I’d say. The fact is that there are very few plays (maybe 1-2 a game) where an outfielder can really separate his talents from AAA replacement guy.
I guess what I am trying to say is that since a hitter has 4-5 chances per game x 150 games, his results are going to be much “truer” than fielders who have 1-2. Fewer chances = more variation, which means that guys are more likely to put up crazy UZR in a single season.
Now, those fielders probably aren’t that true talent level. They just played over their heads in the limited sample. But when looking backwards at one season to judge contributions, its perfectly fine to include that. Just because a fielder was lucky doesn’t mean it wasn’t valuable. It’s in projections going forward that we have to clear that up.
All that said,
I do think we have to use some common sense with this stuff. UZR is still very limited. I’m definitely not saying to just hand the GG to whoever had the highest UZR as the be-all, end-all of defensive evaluation. It’s a tool in the box.
Right
Back to the thing that started this: I’m just saying that when we’re trying to figure out Zobrist’s WAR for 2009, he really almost certainly wasn’t a +26 in actual defensive performance (I’ve only seen him play a few times, but “best defensive player evar” didn’t really cross my mind). That +26 was his UZR, not his actual defensive performance, and so when people are quoting that Zobrist was more valuable than Pujols, it’s not accurate.
Not afraid to nitpick
that's why I'm not totally into WAR
you can always look at wOBA and use common sense. is Pujols a better hitter? is his defense a liability? certainly not. so Pujols is better.
Allen Craig > Nick Stavinoha
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 26, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
its tough to incorporate positional value this way though.
“Is Pujols’ defense a liability?” is a much different question than “is Pujols’ defense at 1B good enough to still make him more valuable than a really good fielder who split time between 2B, SS, and OF?”
I was thinking about that
Zobrist’s value comes a lot from him playing a lot of different positions (and he isn’t being paid all that much either). but still, it seems a little absurd that he would be more valuable than Pujols, although he is a very good player (last year anyway)
Allen Craig > Nick Stavinoha
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 26, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
With all this talk of his inflated UZR, let's not forget:
Dude hit .297/.405/.543 last year. That’s a .408 wOBA, 8th in MLB, for a guy who played 40 innings or more at 5 positions. Saying he had a great year is an understatement.
zobrist must be tony's wet dream
move over jose, there’s a new secret weapon in town
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
oh for sure
I would even go so far to say maybe he should have won the AL MVP
Allen Craig > Nick Stavinoha
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 26, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
The problem is though,
Isn’t it just as likely that Pujols’ UZR was overstated too? I guess we do have a larger body of work for Pujols, but I do think its a little disingenuous to give one player full credit but discount another using the same less-than-perfect metric.
For the record, I do think Pujols was more valuable. But who is to say that Zobrist didn’t just find a lot of snocones or have a lot of runners test or fear him? Or be positioned perfectly making an out-of-zone play routine? By splitting up his season between OF, 2B, and SS, its not crazy to think that he significantly outperformed vs. his peers in the smaller sample.
Also
UZR really only measures how many balls a fielder turns into outs too. It’s missing all other sorts of great defensive plays that good defensive players make, like cutting the ball off in the gap or playing a ball down the line out of the corner to limit the hitter to a single, charging balls hard with runners on to keep them from picking up an extra base, prepping a throw to a base prior to catching the ball, etc.
Although these don’t account for much over the course of a season, we measure baserunning for offensive players, so there needs to be some sort of “anti-baserunning” component for UZR.
Another real limitation of UZR (or any defensive metric for that matter) is that there’s no component for measuring the effect of the team on an individual player’s defense. I mean, Ozzie Smith and Franklin Gutierrez must have some sort of positive impact on those they play defense with, the question is how much impact do they actuallly have. I think this is an important field of study which is going to be important in the future. If you could add Adam Everett to your team as a SS and his effect on the 3rd baseman and 2nd baseman is a net of ~5 runs saved on TOP of the ~15-18 runs he’s going to save by himself, he’s actually worth around half a win more than he’s actually getting credit for. I don’t know if you can chain this like you do relief pitchers or lineup generators, but it would be some really interesting data to look at. If elite defenders have a positive effect on everyone else around them (like the effect that REALLY good point guards have on everyone else on the team in basketball), it’s pretty clear that they are undervalued as group.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
HI GUYS IN THE TRUCK
awesome write-up of the book by that guy in the truck
http://stlcardinals.scout.com/2/957166.html
we’re lucky sods.
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Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
wtf
"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."
aaand its up again
"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."
More importantly.....
is there yet a confirmed nickname for Mr. Garcia? If not I would like to propose one.
Jamie Garcia = Andy Garcia
Andy Garcia = Oceans 11
Ocans 11 character name = Benedict
Garcia = Benedict
Thoughts?
CALL A FAIR GAME BLUE!
by One Flew Over The Cardinals Nest on Mar 26, 2010 8:38 AM EDT reply actions
Jaime/sorry
CALL A FAIR GAME BLUE!
by One Flew Over The Cardinals Nest on Mar 26, 2010 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions
mipsellings = heading for the coffee
CALL A FAIR GAME BLUE!
by One Flew Over The Cardinals Nest on Mar 26, 2010 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions
I like me some convoluted nicknames
but I can’t even wrap my head around that one…more coffee!
and we call him Omar, right?
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
Contemplate this on the tree of woe...
CALL A FAIR GAME BLUE!
by One Flew Over The Cardinals Nest on Mar 26, 2010 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions
God I love that movie
Sometimes I just go to Youtube and listen to the soundtrack
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Hells yes!
Just watched it the other day…one of those that you “have” to watch anytime it’s on.
CALL A FAIR GAME BLUE!
by One Flew Over The Cardinals Nest on Mar 26, 2010 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Crom...
I have never prayed to you before. I have no tongue for it. No one, not even you, will remember if we were good men or bad. Why we fought, or why we died. All that matters is that two stood against many. That’s what’s important! Valor pleases you, Crom… so grant me one request. Grant me revenge! And if you do not listen, then to HELL with you!
CALL A FAIR GAME BLUE!
by One Flew Over The Cardinals Nest on Mar 26, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
:=8D
Black Lotus Street Peddler: Hey… black lotus… Stygian… the best!
Subotai: This had better not be Haga!
Black Lotus Street Peddler: I would sell Haga to a slayer such as you?
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
What is best in life?
To crush the Cubs, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women.
I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.
by The Continental on Mar 26, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Which would be this:
http://fireloupiniella.files.wordpress.com/2006/10/cubs-fan-_1.jpg
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
you're a cruel cow
keep up the good work
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
call him Señor
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I got it...I got it...
Alfredo Garcia! “Bring me the head of Alfredo Garcia”! I love it!
CALL A FAIR GAME BLUE!
by One Flew Over The Cardinals Nest on Mar 26, 2010 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions
mmm...
sounds tasty!
CALL A FAIR GAME BLUE!
by One Flew Over The Cardinals Nest on Mar 26, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Eh, the name Benedict has too many implications.
Might I suggested something Dead-related?
Jaime “Deadhead” Garcia? (or “Deadjead,” I suppose)
Jamie “Cherry” Garcia?
@aaronjscott
by musialsuspects on Mar 26, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Bud Smith throws a no-hitter
and still they ignore him…
Guys like Bradley are exactly why we can't have a pumpkin patch anymore.
For those of you who no habla espanol....
in Spanish el nino means……..the nino.
CALL A FAIR GAME BLUE!
by One Flew Over The Cardinals Nest on Mar 26, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Perhaps we should conduct a poll?
We could call it: The Jaime Garcia Tree of Woe Nickmame Poll!
It’s catchy…It’s catchy.
CALL A FAIR GAME BLUE!
by One Flew Over The Cardinals Nest on Mar 26, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
SNL References are great
Note: Above comment may contain gratuitous amounts of sarcasm.
BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS
All other tropical storms must bow
Note: Above comment may contain gratuitous amounts of sarcasm.
BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS
lol tron
Note: Above comment may contain gratuitous amounts of sarcasm.
BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS
by vexedtechie on Mar 27, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Let's call him Brian DePalma sucks.
"What's your favorite Chuck Palahniuk book?"
"I like the one about the alienated character who finds the socially unacceptable way of coping with modernity."
nicknames need to come naturally
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Mar 26, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I think it might be early to start debating a nickname
Surely there will be some event or story about him in the course of the season that will lead to organic nickname creation.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Senor Garcia
Allen Craig > Nick Stavinoha
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 26, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Jaime =
I’m me?
If you see a guy open the car door for his girlfriend, either the car is new or the girlfriend is.
can we just call him Andy?
Note: Above comment may contain gratuitous amounts of sarcasm.
BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS
OMG! Mike Gallego reference
Yesterday we played the mets and of course I remember the dodgers game where tatis took chan ho out of the park twice loaded, which lead me to remember our leadoff hotter in ‘99 was Darren Bragg, I don’t know how he was scouted but I felt like he was Brady Anderson without the speed or fluke 50 homer year. Thank god for the team makeover in 2000
The bible declares an eye for an eye, so, let us now take our vengeance on this murderous ocean. . . You won't be hurting anyone anymore
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Mar 26, 2010 8:43 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Also forgot
I don’t know if anyone remembers this but didn’t mike gallego bat like .100 in ’97 off the bench. I could be misremembering but I think he was a terrible hitting backup MIF
The bible declares an eye for an eye, so, let us now take our vengeance on this murderous ocean. . . You won't be hurting anyone anymore
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Mar 26, 2010 8:54 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
so Pagnozzi has Gallego's bat?
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
literally
… he handed it to him in a ceremony when he was inducted into the “Hall of Worst Hitters Evar”.
/did zero research to confirm Gallego’s career OPS
by QuadCitiesCardsFan on Mar 26, 2010 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Bad slashes
The bible declares an eye for an eye, so, let us now take our vengeance on this murderous ocean. . . You won't be hurting anyone anymore
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Mar 26, 2010 10:20 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Bad slash?
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Mar 26, 2010 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Bad slashes
Career .239/.320/.328
1997(not ’98 my bad) .163/.178/.209
The bible declares an eye for an eye, so, let us now take our vengeance on this murderous ocean. . . You won't be hurting anyone anymore
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Mar 26, 2010 10:21 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
wow
.320 OBP and a .328 SLG … sooo not exactly plus power then, eh?
by QuadCitiesCardsFan on Mar 26, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Bad slashes
Career .239/.320/.328
1997(not ’98 my bad) .163/.178/.209
The bible declares an eye for an eye, so, let us now take our vengeance on this murderous ocean. . . You won't be hurting anyone anymore
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Mar 26, 2010 10:21 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
My god, I triple posted
Epic failure
The bible declares an eye for an eye, so, let us now take our vengeance on this murderous ocean. . . You won't be hurting anyone anymore
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Mar 26, 2010 10:22 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
And I did say '97 the first time
Even more epic failure
The bible declares an eye for an eye, so, let us now take our vengeance on this murderous ocean. . . You won't be hurting anyone anymore
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Mar 26, 2010 10:23 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He hit .163 in 46 AB that year
And was released on July 29.
He had done reasonably well in ‘96, though, taking over at 2B and while he didn’t much then, either, he at least plugged the defensive hole there created by the first-half presence of Luis Alicea.
I do remember him laying down a perfect bunt Tom Berenger-style against the Dodgers in Septemer ’96 that scored Miguel Mejia from second base. After that game, I got into a conversation with his parents and when he finally came out of the locker room to pick them up, I was able to shake his hand and offer congratulations.
Fun fact: Gallego’s second-best comp on baseball-reference is our own Mike “Rocky” Tyson; #3 is Mark Lemke. #1 is Pete Coscarart, the old Dodger/Pirate infielder from the 40’s.
Well guys,
I will be away for a week doing some heavy partying at the beach. Best wishes from me!
GO CARDINALS!!
I want the Walrus back...
Hey guys
Im just going to drop in and rub in that Im partying at a beach.
You bastard.
The bible declares an eye for an eye, so, let us now take our vengeance on this murderous ocean. . . You won't be hurting anyone anymore
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Mar 26, 2010 10:17 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Is there anything to be said.....
For having a softer tossing lefty in the rotation, over a righty with K-Mac’s makeup? I know K-Mac doesn’t throw as hard as Carp or Waino, but I’d say he resembles those two a lot more than Garcia does. Does that logic hold up at the ML level? The logic that it’s easier to hit guys if day after day you are seeing the same type of pitchers, and the same handedness? I like the idea of having Garcia in there to mix up what the other team is seeing, all other things equal.
Matt Holliday. Nuff said.
Logical, but no
That approach works only against StL. I fear they will let Rich Hill go, and he will sport a 9.5 ERA pitching for someone else until he faces us – then he will look like Cy Young.
SD
I like having a lefty in the rotation like Garcia
Allen Craig > Nick Stavinoha
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 26, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought Garcia threw in the low 90s
Hill would be the softer tossing lefty, right?
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
Hill used to throw 93-94, touching 96
Don’t know if he’s seen that kind of velocity this year though.
Garcia tops out at about 92, and throws 88-90 most of the time. Tommy Glavine type velocity.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
i could live with
a few years of 90s tom glavine
"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."
He doesn't have Glavine's change-up though
That’s the real difference.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Did anyone else hear about derrek lee getting hurt eating
Cub=fail
The bible declares an eye for an eye, so, let us now take our vengeance on this murderous ocean. . . You won't be hurting anyone anymore
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Mar 26, 2010 10:33 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I think I linked, but I didn't read through it thoroughly
something about… a chair….
hmmm!
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Mar 26, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Stavinoha's true purpose revealed
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Mar 26, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
doesn't bode well for us
a chair that suddenly gives way
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Mar 26, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
it bodes REALLY well
for Allen Craig Allen Allen Craig Allen Craig Craig
"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."
MiL cuts
per Goold
Travis Mitchell (of Parkway Central!), Charlie Zink, and:
The other eight players released were: OF Edwin Gomez, RHP Tyler Lavigne, RHP Randy Santos, LHP Brad Furnish (a second-round selection in 2006 out of TCU), RHP Adam Veres, RHP Santo Maertz, RHP Pedro Rodriguez and RHP Yoffri Martinez.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Furnish had a poor game yesterday – 4 walks in 1 2/3 IP IIRC – but it does seem a little surprising that they’d release him after that, unless he’d been pitching poorly before yesterday as well.
and just imagine
the nickname possibilities.
by QuadCitiesCardsFan on Mar 26, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
not yoffri martinez!
noooooo!!!
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Mar 26, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
but, he's the next (really good player who plays his position)!
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Mar 26, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
sad to see my buddy
Travis Mitchell cut. I was in his HS class and played on the HS baseball team with him. Really good guy but he probably just should have gone to Mizzou on his full-ride.
....my quick smells like french toast...
Didn't all of the alleged jumping around between who was or wasn't going to be the fifth starter just exist in the id of VEB?
The Cards said it was going to be a competition and it was. They (rightfully) expressed some initial concern about Garcia because of his prior injuries but those concerns were addressed by Garcia’s performance and he won out. McClellan pitched well but ultimately fits better in the bullpen and Hill is still struggling to come back from his injury troubles. Good. Yawn.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Mar 26, 2010 10:45 AM EDT reply actions
it's almost like you're talking to yourself
(if you only look at the avatars)
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
woh
double McGee avatar
Allen Craig > Nick Stavinoha
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 26, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
not just VEB
prior to the announcement, there was squabbling among the press corps (gang?) about who really had the spot, or if it had even been named. much was unclear about the priorities – do we protect Garcia for the future, does Ottavino have a shot, which move weakens the bullpen, and when does Rich Hill succumb to his inevitable Eeyore-ness.
if anything’s typical, it’s the opaque motives of the org.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Mar 26, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
What I'm saying is that....
it wasn’t “opaque” at all. It played out exactly how the Cards (Mo/LaDunc) said it would.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Mar 26, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
and I'm ... disagreeing?
though not entirely. you’re right in that it was a competition.
I’m saying their criteria and priorities in deciding that competition were shrouded in hot air.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Mar 26, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Fine
People looking for hot air tend to find it wherever they look.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Mar 26, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm going to have to agree with Willie here
La Russa and Duncan said it would be a competition. They said it was going to be mainly between McClellan and Hill with Garcia having an outside chance. Which is how it played out.
the hot air to which I am referring
was a few days’ worth of conflicting reports from the beat writers. which was resolved yesterday when Mo spoke.
I’m mainly taking issue with “it’s all in VEB’s head.” this stuff comes from somewhere.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Mar 26, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I still don't know what they're selling
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Mar 26, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
hot air
Allen Craig > Nick Stavinoha
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 26, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
what, did I miss something?
Garcia has officially been announced to be the #5 guy?
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
tea leaves are coming into focus
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I think some of us are thrilled that a rookie won the competition
beause the last time a rookie and a Dave Duncan reclamation project special “competed” for the #5 spot was in 2006, when Sweaty Whale Ponson “won” the spot, even though Wainwright was better than him in Spring Training.
Basically, it’s nice when at the end of the day you can wipe your hands and say “The system works!”
There was a sporcle quiz today about each team's leader in starts for the aughts
The Orioles’ number one was Ponson. No wonder they were so awful this decade.
"There's a new sheriff in town." - Brendan Ryan
by jd is legend on Mar 26, 2010 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I am still not countin' my Garcia before it's hatched
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
Pujols scratched
but he’s fine. really. he’s fine. See:
Pujols actually said, "I’m pretty excited [about] the way I feel."La Russa just wants him to go easy on the playing time.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
yeah
because he hardly ever takes a day off
Allen Craig > Nick Stavinoha
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 26, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
My guess is that Pujols really likes Craig and wants him on the team,
so he’s giving Craig all the playing time he can. For those who didn’t see the FESPN broadcast yesterday, Pujols was speaking highly of Craig and his bat. Even Pujols doesn’t want to be infected with the Stav.
i think that article
says albert wanted to take some swings with the minor leaguers.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Well he's not going to come right out and say it, GEEZ!
The interview Pujols wanted to give:
“I saw that Nick Stavinoha was slotted to start today in right (field), so I decided I’d like to give Allen the opportunity to start at first and to get some at bats.” Pujols was then forthcoming of his feelings toward Stavinoha. “I’d rather not have the guy on the team. He’s a fairly poor defender, and it’s widely known that the stav that he carries is highly infectious. Now Craig (aka The Young Hitter), that’s a bat I can get behind and one I’d like to see on the bench. It’s about time for his face to be pulled off the milk carton and placed on the Cardinals’ bench.” The interview was then cut short, as Pujols vanished due to a warning from his spider sense, telling him Strauss was approaching the club house.
by stxcardsfan on Mar 26, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
no one wants Pujols infected with Stav
Allen Craig > Nick Stavinoha
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 26, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
For the record, I'm going to stay on my Gaudin soapbox until he lands somewhere....
Fangraphs take:
Gaudin shouldn’t have any trouble finding a job. He’s clearly a major-league quality pitcher, as he’s posted 4.5 wins above replacement in three seasons and 369.2 innings as a starter and 67 more as a reliever. CHONE has him projected at a 4.58 FIP, which is just above league average. Even after adjusting for his time as a reliever, Gaudin’s projected FIP doesn’t change that much, and he could be worth over 2 wins in 160 innings of starting pitching.
I hope he signs elsewhere and gets lit up
that way I can picture your avatar every time I see his numbers.
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
well of course
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
I wouldn't mind having him in the bullpen, maybe
Allen Craig > Nick Stavinoha
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 26, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Why he hasn't been signed to the bullpen
I have no idea. If nothing else he’s insurance for the back of the rotation and a middle relief candidate.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Hey, what's the speed on Garcia's fastball?
I’m not even sure where to look for this on the web.
I guess that's pre-surgery?
I’m racking my brain trying to recall if there was a tweet on his velocity this year. limited media means no radar gun readings, usually…
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Mar 26, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
awesome
thanks for the data.
Oh well, not everyone can have giddyup. heh.
other stuff going on
no attributions, mwahaha. all from twitter.
scoreboard and video board are wonky after storms at Space Coast Stadium
minor leaguers going at it in Jupiter…
Shelby is pitching for Palm Beach, Sugar is playing 2B for Memphis
Marecek has the burn
Goold has the good news from yesterday’s MiL games
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Shelby to PB
Wonder if Stock will ride his coattails there or will catch at the QC.
Guys like Bradley are exactly why we can't have a pumpkin patch anymore.
Best Tweet from CJ Beatty
I just got my spring trainning jersey #44 still stands baby! Wainwright and Molina is freaking huge….larrussa scares me! Lol
I also enjoyed:
OK I FINALLY SAW HIM UP CLOSE…………..MARK MCGWIRE IS FREAKING HUGE………FOREARMS STILL BRING ME TO TEARS………….HE IS MASSIVE!
Hey Ump!
it was entertaining at first
but now I fear the all-caps
vexed is into it, though.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Mar 26, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
gotta find some way to take playing time from descalso at memphis
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Do you guys remember the Jack Morris over Bert Blyleven HoF nonsensical arguments?
Of course you do. Well, one of the main supporting arguments for the dumb side was “Morris has 235 Opening Day starts!”
Well, Larry Granillo at wezen-ball has done his best to lay that to rest. This article lays out the worst 10 Opening Day starters by that season’s performance, and Morris makes the list at #9:
Jack Morris, Blue Jays, 1993: -2.2 WAR
How fun is this? The king of Opening Day starts shows up on our list of worst seasons by Opening Day starters. The Blue Jays won the World Series in 1992 led, in part, by Morris’ 21-6 record and league-average 4.04 ERA. They rewarded him with the Opening Day start the next season, but by then he was a 38 year old man on his last legs. After giving up seven runs in four innings to start the season, Morris would continue to decline. In 152 innings that year, he posted a 6.19 ERA. He’d retire after the 1994 season.
Holy crap
I knew Morris worked a long time without injuries, but I gotta think starting the 1st game of the season for 235 years is a record that won’t be broken.
Bosh
Old Hoss Radbourne had 277 opening day starts.
Of course, they played four seasons a year back in the salad days of the 19th century.
by Michael_68_1999 on Mar 26, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
wow, what?
wouldn’t he have to play for 235 years to have 235 opening day starts?
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Mar 26, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
oh
do i need to calibrate my hyperbole meter?
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Mar 26, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wait, no I think mine is still broken...
It says Carlos Silva is set to make $23 million over the next two years for pitching baseballs. Hit me again.
I feel like I should lend my robotic powers to let you know
that the programming sequence she is giving you will cause you to stab someone in the future at her discretion. Fair warning.
Think; It's not illegal yet.
by azruavatar on Mar 26, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I didn't hit # at the end,
which would’ve enacted the violence scripts.
You can read it in any tone you like.
The Cubs will pay Alfonso Soriano $18m to play baseball in 2014
amidoinitrite?
by all4tookie on Mar 26, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
ahahahahahah!
Allen Craig > Nick Stavinoha
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 26, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
and according to WSCR The Score
he’ll be the 4th starter, is their staff that bad?
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Mar 26, 2010 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions
well, i know lilly will still be out awhile
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Jaime nickname
If Jaime is Spanish for James…why don’t we call him James or Jim-Bo or el Jim-Bo, etc…
by CardsFanSmikema on Mar 26, 2010 12:19 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Maybe Jai-Gar?
Or HiGar. Sounds like the name of a barbarian warlord or something. Not that anybody was talking about barbarians on this board recently and it’s on my mind or something.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
I can get behind this
"There's a new sheriff in town." - Brendan Ryan
by jd is legend on Mar 26, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Jar-Jar?
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
oh? I misread...
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
i think that's perfect
"I think he's the best hitter of all time. I think there has never been a better hitter than him. And I know I didn't see them all, but I just don't think there could be." - Adam Wainwright on The Mang
you know, bmorgan, it really is
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
What about JIMMAY!!
or is it too soon?
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
everyone got Boog-envy + lineup
BJRains Holliday just hit home runs on four straight pitches in batting practice….wind is blowing out to left.
about 1 hours ago via web
BJRains Tony La Russa on Yadier Molina: “He had a good day today. He came and was feeling good. I told him that news is the beginning of a nice day”
about 1 hours ago via web
G-Dem:
Adam Wainwright will start for the Cardinals and he will throw to catcher Matt Pagnozzi.
Today’s starting lineup and batting order:
Skip Schumaker 2B
Julio Lugo SS
Allen Craig 1B
Matt Holliday LF
Ryan Ludwick CF
David Freese 3B
Nick Stavinoha RF
Matt Pagnozzi C
Adam Wainwright P
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Gag-nausea
Boooooooooooooooooooo
"There's a new sheriff in town." - Brendan Ryan
by jd is legend on Mar 26, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
NOOOO!
NOT PAGNOZZI!
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
at least Craig is in his rightful spot
after he Wally-Pipp’s that other guy…
(or is there only on ‘p’?)
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
I don't know, but I did find out there are only two P's in Rapoport
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Mar 26, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
"morning scratchings" sounds dirty
meanwhile,
Shortstop Brendan Ryan made today’s two-hour tour from Jupiter but is not in the starting lineup. (Julio Lugo is.) "Paying dues," La Russa half-joked.
happy birthday, boog.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
it's some kind of platoon
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
[Charlie Sheen/Willem Dafoe joke]
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Mar 26, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
God.
Gagnozzi and Turnip hitting back to back. Should we bat the pitcher seventh?
"What's your favorite Chuck Palahniuk book?"
"I like the one about the alienated character who finds the socially unacceptable way of coping with modernity."
Seeing as it's Waino
Yes
"There's a new sheriff in town." - Brendan Ryan
by jd is legend on Mar 26, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
:P
Spring Training Sample Size – Small
"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."
they are good men
i just wish they could play baseball better.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
good to hear about molina
/cross fingers
that lineup is horrendous thanks to Batty Gags
"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."
Leach is tweeting the Space Ghost jokes fast 'n furious-ly
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I think the * in IT at my work figured out how to block my twitter add-on in firefox
very sad day
Think; It's not illegal yet.
yeah
i just turned off mobile alerts for everyone except mlbtr, fsmw and espn 101
my phone hasn’t chimed in over 10 minutes!
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
i think this is a radio link
http://www.federalnewsradio.com/index.php?nid=8
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
the bad news is.... Craig is doomed
MatthewHLeach Wrong decision AND bad execution as Craig tries to go to second rather than home, and mugs the throw when he does.
less than a minute ago via web
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
really, really doomed.
BJRains 13-pitch at-bat ends in an RBI bloop single for Stavinoha…one of which was launched for a long foul home run
9 minutes ago via web
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Troy Glaus is swearing up a storm!
it must be baseball.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
balk on Verlander. haha.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
and... what Tony's staff does for fun is bizarre.
maybe not for baseball…. no, maybe even for baseball.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
those crazy kids
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Mar 27, 2010 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions
whats the gameday link?
gracias
Milt Thompson FTW!
had to dig up Liam's fanshot
http://liam-moran.com/links.html
Allen Craig > Nick Stavinoha
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 26, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
and right when I load it friggin Stavino is up
gah
Allen Craig > Nick Stavinoha
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 26, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Bernie states
that Joe Strauss can be perceived as a glass is half empty type guy…
by Evilfrog on Mar 26, 2010 2:09 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
2/3 empty, or 3/4?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
With Strauss,
the glass is empty, cracked and dirty.
I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.
by The Continental on Mar 26, 2010 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
What a sweetheart:
@dgoold It’s amazing @dgoold can type with Stigmata. #Martyrdom
*
I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.
by The Continental on Mar 26, 2010 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions
straussy makes gdm look like an baconpegi with rainbows coming out of his bum
Hope is the worst of all evils, for it prolongs the torment of man
The fact that Matt Pagnozzi is even up for consideration for a spot on the big league club
Gives me hope that I could make it as the last guy on the bench in low A
"There's a new sheriff in town." - Brendan Ryan
my life long dream has been to be a bullpen catcher.
probably more money than I make now and I get to hang out with all the wacky bullpen guys
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
maybe I am
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
i hope not
i’m all for wackiness in the pen, but…not that there’s anything wrong with that, of course.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Pags walks
Wainwright doubles, and Skippy get’s the ball on the ground deep enough to score Pags.
4-3 Good guys.
after today it looks like Stavino will be on the team
Allen Craig > Nick Stavinoha
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 26, 2010 2:16 PM EDT reply actions
and it will all be your fault
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
you give me far too much credit
Allen Craig > Nick Stavinoha
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 26, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah
the inevitability of Stav getting sent down will allow Craig to get even better
Allen Craig > Nick Stavinoha
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 26, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
well
I guess he probably will just be DFA’d (unless he actually starts being a good pinch hitter or something, then Craig will be up a shit creek)
Allen Craig > Nick Stavinoha
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 26, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe he did?
I don’t remember him doing that well, but perhaps he did
Allen Craig > Nick Stavinoha
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 26, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
can't believe he hit that many HRs, honestly.
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
just checked baseball reference
in 16 PA as a PH
5 hits, 3 doubles, 1 HR, 3 RBIs, 1 BB, 2 Ks, 1.108 OPS.
but he is competing for the 5th outfielder position
He isn’t going to be starting a lot. If we get Stav as just a guy riding the bench for a few months while Craig gets to play everyday in Memphis I’m not going to be worried about it to much. Best case scenario is Stav accels as the PH for 2 months or so and we get to trade him for some MiL bullpen arms.
but he does look like a good pinch hitter
Allen Craig > Nick Stavinoha
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 26, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Cause he looks like Rusty Staub?
by Willie McGee's Twin on Mar 26, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
if only he were a lefty-hitting ginger
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
wait
you really think he’s going to continue a 1.200 OPS as a PH and a .600 OPS as a starter?
i would like to introduce you to the small sample size
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
let's pray his ops as a starter is .000 this year
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
small sample size?
Everyone else is putting weight on his 91 PA from last year. That’s a small sample size. Slightly larger than his sample size as a PH, but still a very small sample size.
I’ll I’m saying is there is a good chance he can continue doing what he is doing in spring into May while Craig starts, and then hopefully we could unload him to someone else.
Larger sample size..
Like the last two years in AAA where he OPS .843 and .884 say he is a AAAA / bench player. Which is the position he is trying for this year.
thank god he didn't try out for a starting position
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
just joshing
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
SSSS
super small sample size
Allen Craig > Nick Stavinoha
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 26, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
will he be the new John Rodriguez?
Allen Craig > Nick Stavinoha
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 26, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
You know
I really shouldn’t be so hard on Stav. That’s basically the player I was in little league/Babe Ruth. Slow and lumbering, hit for average with little power, rarely took a walk. Although I actually played pretty solid defense. So maybe the comparison isn’t that apt.
"There's a new sheriff in town." - Brendan Ryan
Luckily for you, we have no way to check your UZR
by Willie McGee's Twin on Mar 26, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
You'll have to take my word for it
But I believe I was about +47.2 at 3B and +87.7 in LF in UZR/150
"There's a new sheriff in town." - Brendan Ryan
by jd is legend on Mar 26, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Shit
I always get those confused
"There's a new sheriff in town." - Brendan Ryan
by jd is legend on Mar 26, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Also, you get alot more free time in LF in little league
Got alot more plays at 3B
"There's a new sheriff in town." - Brendan Ryan
by jd is legend on Mar 26, 2010 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't have a problem with people being hard on Stav
but when people start acting like Stav and Pagnozzi are the same kind of hitters….I just think that is going over the line. That there is a insult to Stav’s minor league career.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
What if I say
“Stav and Gagz are similar in that neither are major league hitters”
"There's a new sheriff in town." - Brendan Ryan
by jd is legend on Mar 26, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
i'd say you were wrong
assuming 13 hitters per team, i’d be surprised if stav was the worst MLB hitter of all 390 non-pitchers
pagz wouldn’t be a good hitter in AA. the two are not comparable
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
What if I say
“Stav and Gagz should not be on the Opening Day St. Louis Cardinals roster”
"There's a new sheriff in town." - Brendan Ryan
by jd is legend on Mar 26, 2010 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions
i would drive to st louis and give you a high five
disclaimer: i will not actually drive to st louis
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
that's good, because i don't think jd is in st louis
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Feel free to drive to Atlanta though
I’ll even meet you there!
"There's a new sheriff in town." - Brendan Ryan
by jd is legend on Mar 26, 2010 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions
no one is trying to take away stav's minor league career
i’m all for him keeping it.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
yeah, they're not
pagz making the team is a much bigger atrocity
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
I've read a couple lines on here comparing the two
again, I do not want people to think that I am a Stav fan, but hell, I doubt Pagnozzi’s projections if he were sent back to A ball would be anywhere close to Stav’s MAJOR league projections.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
Excellent phrasing. I applaud.
“It would look like the back of an audiophile’s entertainment center.”
Honi soit qui mal y pense.
yeah
that was my favorite line as well
Allen Craig > Nick Stavinoha
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 26, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
put me on that list
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
"Go Stav."
made me laugh. “GO STAV!!” would not be funny.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Gostav
Gostav Goshel is a Biblical scholar who wrote a ponderous 173-page tome, “The Boundary of Truth.” To my knowledge, having not read the book, the author does not discuss the merits of bellowing “Go, Stav,” as our player lumbers around first with much effort only to be gunned down at second.
Although I’m sure the author would appreciate anyone in a sports crowd bellowing his obscure name.
by Michael_68_1999 on Mar 26, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
paposse sort of whispered it
i found that amusingly appropriate.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
You forgot "athletic" between "only" and "supporter."
by Willie McGee's Twin on Mar 26, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
you guys
Allen Craig > Nick Stavinoha
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 26, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
otto pitching
was waino pitching the sixth, gave up the pudge homer?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Eight strikeouts
and no walks? I know these are the Nationals, a team only Hal McRae could love, but that remains impressive.
by Michael_68_1999 on Mar 26, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Did they just lose to the Nationals again?
Stop doing that! I don’t care if it’s spring training.
by cloistermaximus on Mar 26, 2010 3:43 PM EDT reply actions
you're probably not gonna win with 3 errors
Allen Craig > Nick Stavinoha
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 26, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Now why would the Braves...
break camp with Heyward. All they have to do is send him to Richmond for three weeks and they get him for the entire 2016 season. Sure he might be a little steamed, but this is standard operating procedure for well-run teams.
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
we should have never broke camp with Pujols in 2001
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Mar 26, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
He could've used another year or two...
of seasoning…
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
by guayzimi on Mar 26, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
very nice
Allen Craig > Nick Stavinoha
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 26, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
did you just compare an overrated 20 yr old to the greatest player of all time?
Hope is the worst of all evils, for it prolongs the torment of man
no, no comparison there
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Mar 27, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
yadi2 beat you to it
(at least somebody did, and my answer is always yadi2)
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
he picks off other posters
Allen Craig > Nick Stavinoha
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 26, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
he's way ahead of the game
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
too bad he has a strained oblique
haven’t seen him on here as much
Allen Craig > Nick Stavinoha
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 26, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I've never had one before
I lost all this weight and I thought I could post faster
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Mar 27, 2010 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions
ehhh. i saw it as i was leaving work and didn’t have time to read the whole thread to see if i had been beaten. shit happens and i’m hardly ever original.
by streamman on Mar 26, 2010 4:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I agree
the whole oh that’s already posted stuff is kinda lame imo
Allen Craig > Nick Stavinoha
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 26, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
but I guess maybe stuff would get too redundant without it
Allen Craig > Nick Stavinoha
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 26, 2010 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
that doesn't surprise me, chitown
considering you once had your own verb…
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Mar 26, 2010 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
yeah
which came out of a game thread and had nothing to do with that. hence sbn’d. plus I was just messing around in that game thread, once I realized what was happening I went along with in the game thread. then all the sudden everyone wouldn’t shut up about my name for over a week so I asked for it to stop.
I guess I was just cardballed
Allen Craig > Nick Stavinoha
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 27, 2010 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm a nerd
Allen Craig > Nick Stavinoha
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 26, 2010 5:07 PM EDT reply actions
I guess that makes me a Geek?
depending on whether or not I qualify as Intelligent. And I’m really only obsessed with sports, so I guess I’m a sports geek?
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
I am Ron Burgundy?
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
by STLRegalia on Mar 26, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
yr a total sports geek if you are on here lol
Allen Craig > Nick Stavinoha
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 27, 2010 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions
who is donovan solano
and why is he still around?
"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."
i think he was a latin signee (as opposed to being drafted)
they seem to like him, maybe because he can play 2b, 3b, and ss – that’s all i know.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
played second for a couple of innings today and looked ok on one dp
his brother is a nat
beat out a top spin tapper to 3rd in his only at bat
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
that must be the third or fourth infield hit he's had this spring
in very limited at-bats.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
i think
he was actually reassigned with the first wave of cuts, but then went on the next road trip with them as insurance and has just stuck around
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
he's been playing in the minor league games
according to fr
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
i would take fr's word for it, then
i got from bvheck’s comment that he appeared in a big league game today or something
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
he did, and has been
i think he’s playing “doubleheaders”
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
another error by greene today
anybody know how otto threw (besides to a base)?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
greene's error
was on a hopper over 2nd
not an average chance, but he should have managed it
otto would have appreciated it
otto threw ok
got some swing and miss
walked one
couple bleeders and some errors
error on his throw to first, could have been caught
another punch in craig’s ticket to memphis
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
so craig had 2 e's today, but one was given to otto?
stav was 2-4 i think.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
stav also had a great at bat his first time
must have been 10 pitches, one of which was just foul and out in left
eventually singled
craig o-fered, 2 k
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
boston has a catcher named gustavo molina -
do latin catchers just change their last name to molina to get a look?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
certainly is eyecatching
"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."
no wonder there's more molinas out there
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
duh.
also: first comment.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Mar 27, 2010 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions
i know it was mentioned that edmonds made the brewers
but he then asked macha for a personal day and took off – that’s kinda interesting, considering some of his recent quotes.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
space coast stadium
section 116, row 3, seat 14 (good seat right behind first)
today’s report
stav vs craig: stav hands down in the field and at the plate
tyler greene: did himself no favors
pags II: got a hit
otto: passable, poor support in the field
waino: needs a do over
tastee: ok, did not look too good with the bat (but better than craig)
luddite: doesn’t seem to have calmed down his pre-pitch motions (o-fer)
who is #96? looked good in bp
stadium is a good bet. 1 hr from orlando airport, only about 1/2 full today, beers only $6, parking only $5, smallish and definitely minor league (can’t even keep the scoreboard lit with a line score)
oh, and we lost
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
i'm trying to find #96
I should know it, but it escapes me. it’s not Amaury Marti Cazana.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Mar 27, 2010 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions
hamilton?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
next tallest who fits is Mark Shorey
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Mar 28, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
here's a take on the pujols contract that could give you optimism, or maybe it's just delusional
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/sky_andrecheck/03/25/mauer.pujols/index.html
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
he states Albert's next contract won't start until 2012
over the next nine years, both Pujols and Mauer are expected to produce a nearly identical 40 wins.
and
In the case of Mauer, the extension does not kick in until 2011. Therefore, during the life of his new contract Mauer is expected to provide about 34 wins for the $184 million. However, since Pujols is signed for two more years, a likely Pujols extension wouldn’t begin until he turns 32 in 2012. At that point, invincible as Pujols seems today, his skills will likely have already begun to diminish. Summing up his projected wins from 2012 onward, Pujols, based on comparable slugging first basemen, is likely to produce just 23 wins the rest of the way.
but if the extension were signed, why would the Cardinals pick up the option for 2011? Isn’t the whole basis of that argument moot if the option year is scrapped? Both contracts would start in 2011.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
Hm
I love Albert Pujols and want to believe he really wants to stay in St. Louis. But I also have a feeling that if the Cardinals offered an extension like Andrecheck envisions, it could be a low enough figure to convince him to play the free agent market.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
130 is a joke if it is 7 or more years
Only makes sense if it is 5 years.
those damn statisticians are ruining baseball again
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
i agree with you about the option business
but, then again, why wouldn’t the cards pick it up, as it would be cheaper than the extension?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
The Cardinals did that exact thing with Chris Carpenter.
But it was a Jocketty move, not a Mozeliak move. So there’s still hope.
You can read it in any tone you like.
because sometimes
going the cheap route isn’t always the best idea.
I can see Albert not signing an extension unless that option year is scrapped.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
ok, that'd be fine
but it still has value to the org, like maybe 10 mil, which must be considered in the overall scheme of things. we’re talking ’bout bizness.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
yeah, it has to be considered
but I think pleasing Albert has to be weighed more. Hypothetically speaking.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
Really
I am getting errors on every video I try
by FlimtotheFlam on Mar 26, 2010 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions
no problems here
either
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
flim's been 86'd from youtube?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I think it hates you.
Because also had no problems.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
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Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
I want what this guy is smoking
Fox Sports.com is a Dreamin’ up some trades
Milwaukee has a crowded pitching staff, which is one reason I view the Brewers as a sleeper pick to win the NL Central
Did I miss something? Did the Brewers crowded pitching staff all of a sudden become a good one?
On the surface, the Padres have no reason to move Gregerson. He’s a power reliever who fanned 93 batters in 75 innings last year. But one of the quickest ways for new general manager Jed Hoyer to replenish the roster is through 2-for-1 trades. Gregerson, 25, could bring that sort of return
I like Gregerson, but am I crazy? Gregerson , who may or may not be a one year wonder. Gregerson is gonna bring back 2 players?
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
i read something on him
that gave his h/a splits in era, and it was infinitesimal at home and infinite on the road, like 1 and 8, respectively.
the brewers thing: i saw a headline today, maybe it was via mlbtr, that said something like “a good time to be a brewers fan”
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I read that too, I assumed they meant beer prices were being reduced at Miller Park
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Mar 26, 2010 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Well
They do have a “crowded pitching staff”, it’s just crowded with crappy pitchers that were good 4 years ago (Suppan, Davis), an overprice FA with past injury issues (Wolf) and Parra, who really has something to prove this year. Gallardo is a stud, but unless the rest of those guys pitch to their peak talent, their staff isn’t near as good as the Cardinals, Cubs, or even the Reds.
I agree with you completely on the second part. Gregerson was fucking awful away from PetCo, so I don’t know why any team that knows how to use baseballreference.com or look at a home/away split would even think about trading one player for him, much less two. Heath Bell might bring that kind of return, and Adrian Gonzalez would probably bring a 4 or 5 for 1 deal, but they don’t really have anyone else you’d trade 2 or 3 players for on their current roster. I love Everth Cabrera, but I wouldn’t give up two good prospects for him even if we had two good prospects.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
i like cabrera too
bell is older than i thought.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Maybe Blanks or Latos
but I see your point.
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
Don't care too much for Milwaukee...
Houston at +3500 is definitely a good buy…
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Unanimous but for one who demurred;
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By the name of stlfan;
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omg why won't my accumulators work
this is all i need to finish the code
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
Because you touch yourself at nite...
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
he has no taste in men
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
aha!
i was using the equals operator instead of the assignment operator. /faceplam
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Mar 27, 2010 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions
It happens to every programmer at some point
usually multiple points. Another favorite of mine is when I would find C++ code laced in my Matlab programs.
Think; It's not illegal yet.
yeah, c++ is all i know now
aside from a little playing around on perl. i imagine once i get better at perl i’ll start having those issues
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
That's the problem with Matlab
It is too forgiving where it encourages sloppy programming. Not that I don’t appreciate Matlab.
born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red
Jarod Washburn
How is this guy not signed yet. At this point he won’t even be ready to throw in the regular season
you gotta wonder how badly he even wants to play
he’s turned down some offers.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
because almost every team has an internal option that is better.
I mean maybe some teams could use him but is he worth the cost for a non-contending teams?
brewers are apparently flush
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Mar 27, 2010 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
in 14 spring innings liriano has walked 2 and struck out 22
and he’s their fifth starter unless they move him to the pen.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
oddly there's no caption for this photo
ClemsonGirl may be interested
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
who's that next to boog?
(on his right, before everyone says colby)
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
pretty sure that's Craig
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
(by the way...
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
then Joe
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
yeah, i knew that was the big lunk
but the guy between he and boog looks a little more olive than craig – thought it could be solano
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
the lighting's weird
it’s the profile. craig’s got the chipmunk cheeks. I thought it was solano at first, too.
solano’s a bit darker than olive, too. i’m not sure the scruff fits either.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
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by gdm426 on Mar 27, 2010 3:58 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
you don't want to find them at the end of a dark alley
Allen Craig > Nick Stavinoha
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 27, 2010 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions
here's the sights and sounds from this game
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