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Rehearsing the Albert Pujols deal

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I can think of at least one fanbase that was following the Joe Mauer contract negotiations more closely than the Cardinals', and maybe two or three, depending on how closely the Yankees and Red Sox were already scouting him. But few teams have more in common with the St. Louis Machings than the Twins, who have operated for the last two or three years under the unshakable worry that Joe Mauer would eventually be calling a press conference to announce to a grateful press that he'd always wanted to be a [Yankee/Red Sock], ever since he'd fallen in love with the sweet swing of [Jorge Posada/Jason Veritek]. 

For Bill DeWitt it had to be a vaguely unsettling press release, like getting a message from Future Bill with a note attached saying "Only worse!" in his own handwriting. Eight years, $184 million will pay Mauer $23 million a year until he's 35, which is a lot of money and old for a catcher, respectively, but they couldn't not make this deal; there is being financially prudent and there is being the Marlins, and while the latter option might net two World Series victories nobody will be around to watch the second one. 

A deal that might not be financially perfect but is necessary to maintain the fanbase to which you've become accustomed—I've heard something like this before. 

Star-divide

One of the deals this contract most closely resembles is C.C. Sabathia's deal with the Yankees, which pays him the same $23 million from 2010-2015, and I think that's fitting; a long-term deal with Mauer has some of the same risks that come with extending a pitcher. He's most valuable as a catcher, but he's also at greater risk of injury, and the questions about when he'll move are going to float around until he finally does. (Like any good free agent pitcher, he's also coming off an incredible career year.) 

One thing definitely didn't come into play for Mauer, a St. Paul native who was probably miffed about Target Field being built in Minneapolis: a hometown discount. As teams look increasingly to lock young players up early and through their arbitration years, and grow more wary about overpaying second tier free agents, the first tier that's left become more valuable; once you realize Jason Bay isn't the same as Matt Holliday, it becomes more important to end up with Matt Holliday. Joe Mauer was the most valuable potential free agent this side of Albert Pujols, and he got paid like one; I can't imagine he'd have gotten much, if any, more as an actual free agent in 2011. 

Where does it leave the Cardinals and Pujols? Somewhat short of the two Alex Rodriguez superdeals, if that's any consolation. Pujols is better than Mauer, and as a first baseman doesn't have any further to slide along the defensive spectrum, but he'll also be four years older than Mauer when his contract starts. He's not better-enough than Joe Mauer, I think, to get a contract that runs until he's 42 and pays him an addition 50 or 60 million dollars. 

An eight year contract for Albert Pujols would—let's be honest, it will—take him through his age-40 season, which is no more reasonable than the Twins' recent acquisition of a 35 year-old catcher on a one year, $23 million deal. It's just how these contracts have worked lately—there is a little wish-casting at the end to make up for the fact that these guys are being undervalued in the prime of their careers by accepting even $23 million. Whatever you think of Fangraphs and its valuation of Pujols and Mauer, general managers, owners, and talk radio phone banks aren't prepared for the idea that a player can be worth $40 million in one year; until that changes, and some combination of team and player front-loads a shorter-than-expected contract for an incredible amount of money, there's no way around it. 

Of course there's a point at which the dollar value of a deal, whether measured by Fangraphs or the amount of angry letters to the editor it generates from local doctors, teachers, and firemen (and admirers of same), becomes secondary to the other concerns that become entangled with keeping Joe Mauer or Albert Pujols around. The Twins are opening up a new park, and they probably just sold a few more season tickets; certainly they quieted the inevitable post-stadium whining about opening up the BillPohlad, at least for the time being. 

The Cardinals, who have a larger baseball market and a longer run of best-satisfied-fandom-in-baseball upon which to draw, may not have as much to lose as the Twins if the Pujols negotiation gets contentious. But they have the same extracurricular benefits of a Pujols deal to think about, and because of that I can't see them getting any nearer a Hometown Discount. The Twins needed Mauer and the Cardinals need Pujols, and that's a difficult place from which to start negotiating. 

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Great article

Maybe we should have a groupthink guesstimate as to the Pujols deal (as we do with the “community projections” for individual players’ next seasons)?

I’m going to go for a nice, round 8 years, $200m, with some of the cash deferred.

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Mar 22, 2010 6:18 AM EDT reply actions  

Or youcould go with a 6 year deal of like 150 million

Then have 2 option’s tacked on to it. Say a player option in year 7, then a player and team option in year 8. At least that’s how I’d handle it.

by mob16151 on Mar 22, 2010 6:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

+100

This is exactly cow I predict things will go. Pujols may be worth 30 mil a year, but I just don’t see it happening, not in this financial environment, and also since Pujols isn’t repped by Scot Boras. 25 mil a yea for 6 years, but option in year 7 & 8 seems very reasonable to both sides – Albert gets his moolah, and we don’t pay ARod prices, and have moore flexibility as Albert ages and (maybe) declines. I think signing Holliday has gone a long way to showing Albert that the FO is serious about winning now while he is still at his peak, and they should cowtinue to show such aggressiveness until a new deal is signed (locking up Wainy, for example, would be the next good moove).

My tail isn’t twitching too badly over this, which tells me that one way or an-udder, it will get done and we will keep our Manster.

:=8)

Big McLargehuge!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Mar 22, 2010 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pujols is worth $30m/yr now

he sure won’t be when he’s 39 years old.

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Mar 22, 2010 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

destroy him, Albert

Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")

by STLRegalia on Mar 22, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Depends on $/Win inflation too though

I'm not a player, I just mouth-breathe a lot

by all4tookie on Mar 22, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

that's probably fair

assuming $3.5m/WAR now and 10% inflation (completely WAG), that’ll be about $7m/WAR when Albert’s 39. I guess it’s quite possible he’s a 4/5-win player at that age.

I wonder if FA values won’t kind of plateau for a couple of post-recession years, though, so they might only have bounced back to pre-recession levels by then. I suppose it’s all very expensive guess work!

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Mar 22, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

There are a lot of assumptions that go in to the model, for sure

$/win environment, positional scarcity (more of a problem with the Mauer negotiations than Albert’s), revenue growth forecasts, cost of debt, etc., and these are only the things I imagine, sure there are many more (likelihood of on-field success?).

With all that said, I’m sure there are monkeys for our FO that model the worst- best- and base-case scenarios and valuations are done at those ranges as a starting point. Then comparable players precedent deals are factored…by then the team should have a pretty good idea of what would be accretive.

I'm not a player, I just mouth-breathe a lot

by all4tookie on Mar 22, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

30M based on WAR values, right?

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Mar 22, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

hate all you want folks, but, I gotta say this.

Dude, the fucking cow shit, its fucking retarded, what are you, 8?? grow the fuck up and join the real world you goddamn goofy bastard.

by MO'toole on Mar 23, 2010 2:54 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

LOL

can you do the tomahawk chop and the wave at the same time?

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 23, 2010 3:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

this isn't talk radio

comments that start “hate all you want” do not go over well here.

by DanUpBaby on Mar 23, 2010 3:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

It effectively puts a neon sign pointing to the comment

that says… nothing to see here move along…

"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Mar 23, 2010 3:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

well, you made your first comment here a doozy.

you really joined just to say that?

i don’t think that any site on sbn allows personal attacks like this, and this site is no exception.

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by tom s. on Mar 23, 2010 3:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Some do, not that that’s the point.

by ol Pete on Mar 23, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

....

Hope is the worst of all evils, for it prolongs the torment of man

by gdm426 on Mar 23, 2010 4:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

I really, really, really hope that you actually

have the word tool in your name, it would be delicious.

Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.

by TomCat009 on Mar 23, 2010 5:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think they do.

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by ClemsonGirl on Mar 23, 2010 7:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

:=8P

Don’t be a self-hater – its 2010, you can come out of the closet now. Join us!

Big McLargehuge!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Mar 23, 2010 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

MO'toole?

More like MOO’toole

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Mar 23, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

rec'd!

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Mar 23, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nuttin' Worse Than a Big Fat Hairy Ol' Cow Ashamed of His/Her Heritage...

…and striking out at udders.

We are cow, hear us moo!

:=8D

Big McLargehuge!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Mar 23, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Of all your comments

this has been the only one that sparked this in my mind…

"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Mar 24, 2010 5:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

hilarious

moo-staches and che both in that clip.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 24, 2010 5:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

someone doesn't have a clue

eat the cow’s shit

Allen Craig > Nick Stavinoha

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 23, 2010 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

rec

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 24, 2010 2:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

any player options are likely to be picked up, no?

he’ll be 38 in year 7; any sort of decent player option ($20m+) is surely going to be at least as much as he’d make on the open market, and a 2-year deal seems unlikely even for a very awesome 38-yo.

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Mar 22, 2010 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Manny?

"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."

by BVHeck on Mar 22, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

That seems about right

The Cards love deferring money. Depending on how much money gets def’d that could push the actual/real value of the contract closer to 30mil. Albert could still be getting paid by the Cards when he is a very old man.

I don’t agree with the talking heads that say it’ll be ~30mil deal. That would basically be counterproductive and I think Al realizes that.

Option years would be the factor that I am most interested in.

They say sing while you slave but I just get bored

by Scarecrow7775 on Mar 22, 2010 7:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

i wonder what number he has in mind

and how willing he’ll be to keep negotiating if he feels like he’s being low-balled
i also wonder how big of a deal i’d be for him to move away from st louis, considering he has his foundation, restaurant etc here
i just wonder how many shots we have with him to hand him a number

by d-dee on Mar 22, 2010 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

how

is deferring money gonna make the real value of the contract closer to $30MM?

or am i just misunderstanding you?

i imagine he’ll get about 25 AAV with deferred money bringing the actual AAV paid out to around 22-23

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Mar 22, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was envisioning around 25mil annually

with def’d money on top of that

They say sing while you slave but I just get bored

by Scarecrow7775 on Mar 22, 2010 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here's my 2 cents.....

8 years 216 milllllllion dollars (insert diabolical laughter). However, I seriously doubt that we have to worry about it until after this season. I say the Mang drags his feet to get a sniff of what offers could possibly be out there.

CALL A FAIR GAME BLUE!

by One Flew Over The Cardinals Nest on Mar 22, 2010 8:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

8yr/200mil sounds about right to me

"If you don't have outstanding relief pitching, you might as well piss on the fire and call the boggs." -WH

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 22, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

10 yr 200M with 5M/yr defered

why not?

Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")

by STLRegalia on Mar 22, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

It may be

a stroke of genius luck that the markets time out that the next contract is significantly smaller than if it had been done in 08 rather than in 2011. Would you rather have Mauer at this price or Tex?

Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.

by TomCat009 on Mar 22, 2010 7:48 AM EDT reply actions  

wow engrish major I am not

Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.

by TomCat009 on Mar 22, 2010 7:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

I love engrish

make sure to sign up for the cbs league, tomcat!

"If you don't have outstanding relief pitching, you might as well piss on the fire and call the boggs." -WH

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 22, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do It Mo

I think we are all going to agree on @ $25 million per year. Question is how long? 6 to 8 seems reasonable. Dear Mo, just do it!

SD

by Gibby45 on Mar 22, 2010 8:03 AM EDT reply actions  

Value to Pujols

In these things there are a lot of intrinsic benefits to Albert aside from the cash so I don’t think it unreasonable that Pujols will sign for an amount that does not cripple the franchise.

First of all he wants to win. He knows that every dollar he absorbs above a certain level means that Joe Thurston is likely to be sending errant missiles at him from 3B. It is in his best interests to get both a salary that works for him AND one that works for team.

Second, those great photos of the Stan the Man with Albert certainly must resonate with him. If he stays with us until Age 40, he knows that he will be an icon in St. Louis for the rest of his life. He won’t get that if he moves to another team. Every one is different, but that would seem to be a powerful attraction.

Third, he likes playing for TLR so to the extent that they keep TLR in the fold, he is more likely to want to play out the final 8 years here than anywhere else. I have never bought into the TLR might quit thing. He’s like Brett Favre. He’ll keep on ticking.

Fourth, better the devil you know than the devil you don’t. A lot of teams make great pitches that they will sign players (see Rangers for A-rod or the Dodgers now) and things change on a dime. Cards have been very consistent and have proven they are in for long haul.

If I were the Cards, I would sign him for $15-20 a year and give him a cut of the gate receipts that could max him out at $30-40 million. Therefore, his salary goes up with their ability to pay and is still pretty good if they have some off seasons. Albert gets a chance at maxxing his whole value without crippling team.

Just win

by The Duke on Mar 22, 2010 8:06 AM EDT reply actions  

I'll be the bad guy.

But you have more faith in players then I do. I do think he will re sign but I think your reasoning is off. Players think of money #1 and #2 and then everything else. Fans and players have different needs. I think the money will be there, or close enough, for your points to be valid but only if the money is close.

Given all your points would he take 15 mill a season? I don’t think so. The only way I see him signing for something way under market is if his contract includes some “marketing deal” type thing that pays him after he retires. Or deeds over to him the arch so he can get a percent of each ticket sold to ride in that capsule to the top.

And what about a no trade clause?

by Tom_Lawless_Bat_Flip on Mar 22, 2010 8:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

And what about a no trade clause?

I’d give him one. No trade clauses could be worked around, if the need be.

by mob16151 on Mar 22, 2010 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

He is 10 & 5 after this season,

so he already has a no trade clause.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Mar 22, 2010 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

CBA prevents the team from giving him a cut of gate receipts

That would be deemed and “ownership stake” and is illegal by baseball’s labor rules.

Also prevents the MLB from giving him a cut of his jersey sales and things like that.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Mar 22, 2010 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

that's what i was thinking

it would make zero sense for that to be allowed

by d-dee on Mar 22, 2010 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Actually

I believe that it was up until 1994. I think George Brett had a lifetime contract with the Royals that included a percentage of the team, but I could be wrong on that.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Mar 22, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

that's an excellent deal

however, what does lifetime mean? he can’t transfer it to anyone and it’s done with after he kicks it?

i just think that, even if it were allowed, dewitt would probably be reluctant to give part ownership to anyone, be it albert pujols or god, who in this case might be regarded as the same person

by d-dee on Mar 22, 2010 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Topical and timely:

Today, via Calcaterra:

Why players can’t own a piece of the team

I'm not a player, I just mouth-breathe a lot

by all4tookie on Mar 22, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hate CTB's Google Reader feed because it does not denote what posts are authored by Calcaterra.

I do not really care to read AP news stories or posts by the other authors. I wish I knew before I clicked on the link that opens a new tab who the author is.

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by bgh on Mar 22, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

What about beer distributorships?

Are those still fair game?

"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Mar 22, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree a little.

But why do agents let players defer money with zero interest?

by Tom_Lawless_Bat_Flip on Mar 22, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

15M now or 13 now 4 later?

While taking the 15 now and investing it might make you the extra 2 in the long run that isn’t gaurenteed and if the team can only afford 15 you can’t just ask for 17 up front.

"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."

by StLHugo on Mar 22, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

If I were the Cards, I would sign him for $15-20 a year and give him a cut of the gate receipts that could max him out at $30-40 million.

I’m fairly sure that’s against the CBA; I don’t think such a proviso is plausible.

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Mar 22, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

ah.

nex def’d

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Mar 22, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think the TLR factor could be very important.

Because I don’t think TLR is leaving STL unless its to retire or because the FO has made some very poor decisions. If its the latter, Albert probably goes, too.

"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR

by IHeartBoog on Mar 22, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

give him a cut of the gate receipts that could max him out at $30-40 million.

I like this idea. But is this allowed under baseball’s CBA?

by mob16151 on Mar 22, 2010 8:08 AM EDT reply actions  

How, specifically, is it banned?

Can he get a bonus based on attendance?

I’m no expert on the CBA, but if you can get a bonus for winning an MVP or Cy Young, I’d be surprised that you can’t get a bonus based on other things that would approximate gate receipts even if a cut of gate receipts is prohibited

Just win

by The Duke on Mar 22, 2010 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

i'm pretty certain you can get an attendance bonus

which is just another way of saying a percentage of the gate. i think this happened in the last two years, but having a hard time coming up with who it would have been, unless it was manny in LA. for that matter, though, i may be thinking of beckham in soccer.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 22, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah yes the MLS...

the sport where all players are paid from the home office… gotta love it.

"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Mar 22, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

it was griffey

last year. now i remember. def an attendance bonus…i believe.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 22, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Griffey's deal with Seattle last year had an attendance bonus,

Why not 6 years $150 mil (with some money deferred) and a couple club options at $25 mil per year that become player options at something like $20 mil if the club options are declined. That way, he’d make Bankasaurus Rex and he protects his club by giving them the option to pay him less if he’s no good when he’s old.

by Sukafish on Mar 22, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

options

what about transferring a percentage of ownership in the franchise to Pujols?

that keeps him around for life, and could cut down “dollar” cost of the deal couldn’t it?

or what about the idea of signing him for years beyond his playing days at a reduced $/per/year amount – and simply stating that Albert will be a part of the franchise forever whether playing, coaching, performing as spokesperson and/or living legend?

by Mr.B4567 on Mar 22, 2010 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

I dunno this is all interesting option's

But IIRC all contract’s both have to not violate the CBA, and be approved by the league. So that put’s a little bit of a dent into being to creative.

by mob16151 on Mar 22, 2010 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

distributorship

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Mar 22, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

hipster

Note: Above comment may contain gratuitous amounts of sarcasm.

BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS

by vexedtechie on Mar 22, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

you took the words right out of my mouth

Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")

by STLRegalia on Mar 22, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

You have tasted it right???

You know it tastes like stale cat pee… and don’t ask me how I know what stale cat pee tastes like it was a dark time in my life…

"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Mar 22, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

good thing budweiser is overseas now

or my and my Budweiser ‘B’ tattoo would be offended

Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")

by STLRegalia on Mar 22, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

PBR may be the worst beer I've ever tasted

that or High Life Light

I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!

by First mammal to wear pants on Mar 22, 2010 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

fmtwp,

me the beast

beast, fmtwp

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Mar 22, 2010 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

meet*

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Mar 22, 2010 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

the beast is pretty horrid

but drinking a kegsworth of it in college has given me immunity to its suckiness…damn T-Towners.

I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!

by First mammal to wear pants on Mar 22, 2010 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I knew some people from T-Town in school...

the loved Natty Light for some reason. I can only assume the drinking water there is very polluted to get them geared up to drinking it.

"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Mar 23, 2010 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Beast is mildly better than Beast Lite.

…Beast Pong was always the worst.

Note: Above comment may contain gratuitous amounts of sarcasm.

BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS

by vexedtechie on Mar 23, 2010 3:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

All Lite Beer is an Anathema to Me...

…its just beer-flavored soda. but as far as actual bad beer goes, Carling Black Label is just about the worst slop I ever tried. We cudn;t even give it away. Tequiza is pretty bad too, dunno if they still make it.

Big McLargehuge!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Mar 23, 2010 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think I'm related to half of T-Town

Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")

by STLRegalia on Mar 23, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pablo Sandoval...

…got a Dunkin’ Donuts factory as part of his deal…

;=8)

Big McLargehuge!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Mar 22, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Maris didn't get a share in the team itself

Anheuser-Busch and the Cardinals were considered separate corporate entities, even though the Cardinals were a subsidiary.

by Michael_68_1999 on Mar 22, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

maris didn't get a share in the brewery either

he was given a distributorship. anybody know where?

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 22, 2010 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

sad

i’d never heard about that.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 22, 2010 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

That rule makes no sense to me.

"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Mar 22, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did you see my link above?

Actually makes a lot of sense when its laid out due to potential conflict of interest.

I'm not a player, I just mouth-breathe a lot

by all4tookie on Mar 22, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hornsby'd

But my point is I don’t see anyone in today’s game making a Godfather offer like that then trading the player away… However I was playing my old NHL 2K6 a few months back and tried to trade for Lemieux and it cut it off saying that Pittsburgh would not trade it’s owner which I found humorous…

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by ducttape16 on Mar 22, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

the top post is pretty dreamy today

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 8:29 AM EDT reply actions  

so dreamy i had to wait all day just to post in it

Hope is the worst of all evils, for it prolongs the torment of man

by gdm426 on Mar 22, 2010 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hahahaha

Now that you mention it, so do I.

by mob16151 on Mar 22, 2010 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Is Prior Still Pitching...

…or is he grilling dogs along side the likes of Brien Taylor and Matt Anderson?

Big McLargehuge!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Mar 22, 2010 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

I heard a blip about him last year

then he was gone again

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

You could still make that argument I think.

The Twins with Mark Prior in 2002-2004 might have had a shot at winning a World Series. Those teams were missing that second stud starting pitcher and Prior could have been that guy.

Perhaps if you take Prior away from Dusty Baker early in his career he avoids injury.

I, for one, thought Mauer was an excellent choice for them at the time. He was clearly the best position player in the draft and the Twins had a pitching rich farm system already that was graduating 1 to 2 starting pitchers to the majors every other year.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Mar 22, 2010 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Don't forget that he is from the Twin Cities, too.

I thought Mauer was a good pick, but I’m pretty skeptical of projecting pitching talent.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Mar 22, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think Catchers

are also very hard to predict. Think about the best catchers of the last 25 years. Piazza was a 63rd round pick. Charles Johnson was a middle round pick. Pudge didn’t get a huge signing bonus. There aren’t a lot of great catchers who were first round type talent at one time — they seem to come out of nowhere.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Mar 22, 2010 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

But his swing has always been a beauty to behold.

I guess I figured that third or first could be in his future, if the whole catching thing didn’t work out. Of course, this could just be a contrarian view that hardened in the face of Cub fans constantly touting Prior, and frequently taunting Twin fans about their franchise’s choice.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Mar 22, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think that this was the case decades ago, but now.

Look at the best catcher prospects.
Buster Posey – 5th overall
Matt Wieters – 5th overall
Jesus Montero – 1.6m signing bonus
Carlos Santana – Traded in package for Casey Blake.

But I think this speaks more for how far scouting has come rather than catchers themselves.

In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Mar 22, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

also, the examples fourstick mentioned above were somewhat isolated ones (I realise it’s three in a span of a decade or so, but that doesn’t necessarily prove anything – you could say the same about first basemen, Albert Pujols drafted 402nd overall, Kevin Youkilis drafted 243rd overall, etc)

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by Felonius_Monk on Mar 22, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ok

But Wieters, Posey, Montero, and Santana really haven’t done much yet. They’re great prospects, but so was Rick Ankiel once upon a time. Non-Cardinal fans aren’t even going to remember who he is in 5 years.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Mar 22, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

He's Euclis. The Greek God of Walks

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Mar 22, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Moneyball'd

"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Mar 22, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would agree on the scouting

If all of those guys pan out, it would be the second Golden Age of catchers, after the ’65 – ’80 era that had Bench, Berra, Fisk, Munson, Simmons, McCarver, Porter, and Boone.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Mar 22, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

You can't really include Berra in that group

His last year was ‘65, it was his age-40 year, he only had 9 PAs, and he didn’t even play in ’64

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Mar 22, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Berra was in the same generation as Garagiola

I remember a story my dad told me about Garagiola (Joe G. and Berra both grew up at the same time on The Hill in St. Louis).

Some season (I’m not sure which) Garagiola was having a really great year and some reporter asked Joe how it felt to be the “best catcher in baseball”.

Joe responded….“The best catcher in baseball? Hell, I’m not even the best catcher on my block”.

Or something like that….

Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.

- John Wayne

by Tackle Box on Mar 22, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yah...that was a stretch I guess

I thought he played until ‘68 or ’69, but I didn’t bother to look it up.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Mar 22, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's not from the Twin Cities

he is the twin cities. lebron is to cleveland as mauer is to MSP

"...and pujols has given st louis the lead"
The Best Defensive Play I Have Seen in Person/a>

by tgreenfield on Mar 22, 2010 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think taking a position player over a pitcher in the draft is EVER *necessarily* a bad move

I think there’s even a reasonable argument to be made that the Nats wouldn’t have been totally stupid to make Ackley the #1 pick last year. Smaller signing bonus, less risk, more money to blow on other draftees etc etc. No, I wouldn’t have done it, but it wouldn’t have been completely ridiculous.

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by Felonius_Monk on Mar 22, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Tom House ruined Mark Prior

more than Dusty Baker ruined Mark Prior

Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")

by STLRegalia on Mar 22, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think if you take Prior away from the ball that zinged off his elbow

he avoids injury

"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Mar 22, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks fer the Tip....

it was a field work weekend, which means I worked 7 hours on Sat and 6 on Sunday, which meant I really had no weekend, and I can’t access fantasy stuff at work (stupid government!), so I will go to CBS tonight git myself ready.

Big McLargehuge!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Mar 22, 2010 9:24 AM EDT reply actions  

at least 'Nova played well....

Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")

by STLRegalia on Mar 22, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

are you signed up now, Moo?

"If you don't have outstanding relief pitching, you might as well piss on the fire and call the boggs." -WH

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 22, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not Until I Get Home After Work

which is after 5 Real Time (Eastern Standard)…
;=8)

Big McLargehuge!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Mar 22, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmmmm....

…all I see are mock fantasy drafts for baseball – cud the league info be sent to me again? Pretty please????
:=8.

Big McLargehuge!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Mar 22, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

stupid govt, HA!

so are you saying if i get this tsa job i applied for i won’t be able to still sit & talk on veb all day?

Hope is the worst of all evils, for it prolongs the torment of man

by gdm426 on Mar 22, 2010 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hate to Break it to Ya, Kid....

VEB is in, but anything relating to fantasy, games, or, oddly enough, rpg, es verboten.

:=8/

Big McLargehuge!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Mar 23, 2010 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

today's lineup against Boston

1. Schumaker 2B
2. Ryan SS
3. Holliday (no position listed — LF or DH)
4. Rasmus CF
5. LaRue C
6. Jay RF
7. Gotay 1B
8. Henly LF or DH
9. Solano 3B

by d-dee on Mar 22, 2010 9:48 AM EDT reply actions  

mystery lineups are up

Albert not in for reasons to be explained later. or something.

via Goold

The lineup vs. Boston (just posted here in Jupiter):
    1. Skip Schumaker, 2B
    2. Brendan Ryan, SS
    3. Matt Holliday, ??
    4. Colby Rasmus, CF
    5. Jason LaRue, C
    6. Jon Jay, RF
    7. Ruben Gotay, 1B
    8. Tyler Henley, ??
    9. Donovan Solano, 3B

Starting pitcher: Brad Penny. Also scheduled to pitch: Adam Ottavino.

The team La Russa had written out Sunday evening to come north and meet him in Kissimmee [positions logic’d out]:

    1. Felipe Lopez, 2B
    2. Tyler Greene, SS
    3. Allen Craig, 1B
    4. Ryan Ludwick, RF
    5. Yadier Molina, C
    6. Nick Stavinoha, LF
    7. David Freese, 3B
    8. Joe Mather, CF
    9. Kyle Lohse, P

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 9:50 AM EDT reply actions  

I believe the Astros will be on tv, and the Red Sox will be on radio

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

who's carrying the game

on the telle box?

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Mar 22, 2010 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

FSM

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

i'm tempted to watch and listen at the same time

though not sure if i have the opportunity to do this buzzed….

who’s with me?

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

cool...now to jump online and set the dvr

in order to watch tonight. This technology crap is pretty cool.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Mar 22, 2010 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

from your hovercar?

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

no...it doesn't have 3g.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Mar 22, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

i dont think red sox are on the radio.

or, if they are, gameday audio isn’t carrying it, which pisses me off.

"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR

by IHeartBoog on Mar 22, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm listening to it right now, though.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

on gameday audio??

"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR

by IHeartBoog on Mar 22, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

on KTRS

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

.....time to panic!!

per Leach

Albert Pujols was initially slated to play in the Cardinals’ Monday afternoon game at home against the Astros, but instead has been scratched due to a recurrence of tightness in his lower back.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

heh

G-Dem

Ruben Gotay will play first base for the first time in his career in Pujols’ absence.
"Only in practice," Gotay said of first base.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

mlb

does anyone have the gameday link?

by thecdude on Mar 22, 2010 9:51 AM EDT reply actions  

New meme!!!!

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Mar 22, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Chris Duncan to minors

http://espn.go.com/mlb/blog//name/mlbspring_training/id/5017619/march-22

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 9:54 AM EDT reply actions  

and I'm guessing this link is broken. one sec.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

n/m, it works.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Chris' career is just

about over. He needs to mash the ball ASAP just to earn ABs at AAA.

by jjray on Mar 22, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, man... he takes my idea

At least you did it better. I posted mine using a phone, so quality control was almost nonexistent.

by Sukafish on Mar 22, 2010 9:58 AM EDT reply actions  

This deal is a very good sign

I know this is a big deal, but I think its a very good sign. Albert and the Cardinals were not going to start to negotiations until they knew what Maurer’s deal was going to be worth and now the Cardinals have a frame work to start from. Not to mention Albert is 2 years older. So its not under reasonable to think that this is would what we should be able to sign Albert for.

I would hope that that Cardinals could get a deal done for $192M/8yr ($24 per), but I think the deal will have to be closer to $200/8yr to get it done, and frankly I think the cardinals can afford that assuming that they raise the payroll by $10M to keep him.

The best contract for the Cardinals might be a $150M, 6 year deal with 2 or 3 option years at around $22.5 or $20M per, but I really don’t think that would get the deal done unfortunately

by thoran85 on Mar 22, 2010 10:11 AM EDT reply actions  

FWIW

I am of the school of thought that this deal doesn’t really impact significantly on the Pujols negotiations. It’s maybe a rough framework of what our deal might look like, but I think we sort of knew that already, anyway. I think the two situations are really quite different.

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by Felonius_Monk on Mar 22, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Quite Different?

I just don’t see that big of a difference. In both situations he have a franchise player for a mid-market team up for a new contract. In both situations the player is the most popular player on a winning team and is the best player at their respective positions.

No question that Albert is more consistent and has done it for longer, but Teix and Mauer have now set the market for which the Cardinals can use those frameworks and up the deal a little to get Albert done. If Albert rejects a contract which comes in slightly ahead of $23 or $24 a year then he will look like a huge bad guy and I just don’t think he wants that

by thoran85 on Mar 22, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Albert's older and signing his 2nd post-arby deal

and I think, to some extent, has more ties with his club than Mauer did (I realise that’s arguable). He also (as you said) has a much longer run of excellence than Mauer, who’s actually been quite inconsistent in his career so far – there are questions over whether 2009 was an unsustainable career year, or whether it’s a measure of Mauer just hitting his peak at 27 (I think it’s a little of both), whereas with Albert we pretty much know what we’re going to get for the next 3-4 years, barring injuries, before he starts to really decline.

The positional difference is quite marked, too – Albert will continue to be a 1B for his contract, and will probably continue to be a pretty serviceable one for the length of it, too. With Mauer it’s a much bigger question mark – as others have said, he gains 2-3 wins a year by being a good defensive catcher, and the impact of a likely future move to 1B (or even 3B) or DH remains something of a nebulous one to predict and project, value-wise.

I also think there’s a major fear (from the Twins’ point of view) that Mauer would’ve been guaranteed a monster deal from NYY at the end of 2010 – they’ll likely be in need of a catcher (presuming Montero has to move to DH/1B), and willing to pay for the best in the game. In contrast, they don’t really seem to have a spot for a 1B, going forward, as it would mean getting rid of Tex (and, potentially, A-Rod, who might ultimately end up there). As for the BoSox, well, they’re probably well enough set at both 1B and C, although I get the feeling Adrian Gonzalez ends up there this year. I can’t really see where Albert ends up, other than as a lifetime Cardinal, unless the Dodgers or Mets got involved, and it’s probably fair to state there were more possible big market suitors who would/could pay Mauer’s price (LAA, NYY, ?Bos, NYM) and have a spot for him than was the case for Pujols (NYM, LAD).

You’re right that the Mauer deal is a fair framework, but I think we already knew the rough ballpark it’d take to keep Albert (somewhere north of $20m and south of $30m, and a contract that lasts likely 6-8 years), and I think there are enough differences between the two situations that this news doesn’t really crystallise the likely Pujols deal to any great extent.

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by Felonius_Monk on Mar 22, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's quite possible he declines in after 3-4 years

but it isn’t a given.

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Mar 22, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

true

but we’re sort of doing a risk analysis here, aren’t we? The most likely scenario is that he starts to decline (possibly as soon as 3 years from now, as I’ve seen a few curves suggesting position players peak around 29-32 and it’s a gradual downhill slope from there, before really picking up pace in the late-30s). Obviously how much, how soon and how precipitously is a question, but it’s one we can answer with some degree of predictive accuracy by looking at the careers of his nearest comps, factoring in his health history, looking at projections, looking at the way various attributes (eye, power, speed, defense) generally age in similar skillsets etc.

I have no idea how to put all of this together, but that’s basically what we’re guesstimating when we’re trying to determine what he’ll likely be worth, going forward. I would assume that the vast majority of likely scenarios would have him starting to decline in his early-to-mid-30s (personally, I get the feeling I’m slightly more pessimistic than most Cards’ fans on his ageing curve going forwards, and I feel he’s also more likely than not to have a serious injury of some sort in his 30s, as most players do).

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by Felonius_Monk on Mar 22, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

I thought I saw a study recently that HOF caliber players

have a later start to their decline phase (32-33) and that it’s a lesser slope. Anyone else recall that?

Think; It's not illegal yet.

by azruavatar on Mar 22, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, i think it was bounced around a little bit during the Holliday negotiations

I’m a little hazy, though. Still, that only gives Albert another 3 seasons at his peak.

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by Felonius_Monk on Mar 22, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure if I have read that before

But, considering that a decline by Albert would mean a few years of 6 WAR instead of 8-10 would not exactly be devastating to this team.

On a side note, if you are the cardinals how many more years do you predict 8-10 WAR seasons from Pujols? I would think 4 and then hopefully a gracious slide from 8 to 4 WAR per year over his 35-38 year old seasons.

Especially when you consider that he bats for a high average and plays a less then rigorous defensive position which may help the aging curve as well

by thoran85 on Mar 22, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

He's only exceeded 8 WAR 3 times in the last 8 seasons

and has never hit 10, and he has been unusually healthy (i.e. you have to factor in a few more days on the DL, going forward, than he’s had in the past) so I think you’re a little excessive on the 8-10 WAR valuation. I’d say he’s probably a 7-WAR guy (projections-wise) going forward, and, if Azru’s assertion of 33 as the start of his decline phase holds true, he should produce another 3 years of that.

This is assuming no major injuries, although of course the 7 WAR (which is a bit below his current very consistent 8 WAR production) probably factors in a bit more time on the DL than previously.

If he’s going to decline at a 0.5 WAR/yr rate (which is also very optimistic, I’d imagine, but possible) we’d be looking at:

yr1: 7 WAR
yr2: 7 WAR
yr3: 7 WAR
yr4: 6.5 WAR
yr5: 6 WAR
yr6: 5.5 WAR
yr7: 5 WAR
yr8: 4.5 WAR

total = 48.5 WAR

That’s worth about $170m at today’s FA values.
Assuming a 5% inflation in FA values per season, it’s $204m
Assuming a 10% inflation in FA values per season, it’s $267m

However, if we’re more aggressive on the ageing, and knock off 1 WAR per year (which is probably closer to a “normal” ageing profile, but still a totally wild-ass guesstimate):

yr1: 7 WAR
yr2: 7 WAR
yr3: 7 WAR
yr4: 6 WAR
yr5: 5 WAR
yr6: 4 WAR
yr7: 3 WAR
yr8: 2 WAR

total = 41 WAR

That’s worth about $145m at today’s FA values.
Assuming a 5% inflation in FA values per season, it’s $173m
Assuming a 10% inflation in FA values per season, it’s $226m

So, you pays your money and takes your chances….

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by Felonius_Monk on Mar 22, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry

I should have been more specific about which WAR rating I was using. I normally use Sean Smith’s database for my WAR data instead of Fangraphs. I find that the other sites i visit normally use it, like beyond the boxscore.

anyway fangraphs and Sean smith are close but Sean Smith’s WAR seems to be a higher scale so under Sean Smith’s ratings Pujols has 7 straight years above 8 WAR and that is what i was referring to.

http://www.baseballprojection.com/war/p/pujoa001.htm

by thoran85 on Mar 22, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Examples

2003: FG 9.1 – SS 10.9
2008: FG 9.0 – SS 9.6
2009: FG 8.5 – SS 9.2

by thoran85 on Mar 22, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm so biased, but I see Pujols aging well

He’s so good at every aspect of hitting that I think he’ll be able to compensate when his athleticism starts to dry up. I could very easily see him at age 40 still being .290/.420/.550 guy to be a 4-5 WAR player.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Mar 22, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

tbh, I think that's a very distinct possibility

I think he’s the best right-handed hitter I’ve ever seen, so it’s kinda hard to determine comps for him. He is the dictionnary definition of an outlier, pretty much.

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by Felonius_Monk on Mar 22, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

if Julio Franco can play until he's eligible for social security

then so can Albert

Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")

by STLRegalia on Mar 22, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Julio Franco makes me think

of this. That’s a lot of egg whites.

STAB STAB STAB

by spants on Mar 22, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

ew

what all do you have to eat for 5,000 cal/day?

by d-dee on Mar 22, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

breakfast

Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")

by STLRegalia on Mar 22, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

would be interested in having a link to that study, az, but

consider a player like Hank Aaron – in his age 30 year (1964), he had an OPS of .907 – in his age 39 year (1973), he had an OPS of 1.045 – in between these years, his lowest ops was .852 and his high was 1.079 (indeed from his age 21 season, his OPS was in that range) – very consistent year in and year out, though he did begin playing noticeably fewer games in 1971 – he finally shows a decline in his OPS in his age 40 season – now I have no idea if Aaron is any sort of comp for AP, but it is far from a given that HOF’s begin to decline anytime before their late 30s – and factor in that conditioning is taken much seriously these days

by CRay on Mar 22, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

FWIW

Pujols’ top comp up to age 30 at BR is Frank Thomas.

The Big Hurt is something of a cautionary tale, as he fell away somewhat precipitously after age 30 and only broke 4 WAR twice after that period. Obviously, I’m not saying that WILL happen to Albert, but that possibility has to be factored in – if there’s, say, a 10% chance he succumbs to nagging injuries over the latter part of his career in the way Thomas did, that’s still a distinct possibility for his future.

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Mar 22, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

thanks, FM

The Big Hurt is a scary comp for Albert – but he was some player in his prime

by CRay on Mar 22, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ummm part of Bonds

would be an optimistic view. I really don’t want a surly jackass running around for the last 5 years of the contract.

"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Mar 22, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

beat me to it.

.609 OBP in 2004, his age 39 season. Gimme gimme gimme.

I'm not a player, I just mouth-breathe a lot

by all4tookie on Mar 22, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I also don't wan to have to defend

the magic growing head to my friends. I’m also a guy who would rather root for decent guys who aren’t on the front pages than a bunch of creeps and cheaters. Really I just enjoy people who Play the Game the Right Way ©

"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Mar 22, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

But you're an emotionless robot...

You can’t feel the joy of rooting for people who Play the Game the Right Way ©. You can only feel the cold results of a binary win or loss system.

"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Mar 22, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's nice when they coincide

but I’ve never been one who cared when players took steroids. Just me though.

Think; It's not illegal yet.

by azruavatar on Mar 22, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nor have I...

I just don’t want to have to defend the players I root for. I personally don’t care what they do I just don’t like them making my life more difficult because they wear the laundry I root for.

"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Mar 22, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

not just you

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Mar 22, 2010 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Big Hurt in his prime

is as bout as close to Pujols as anyone has been

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by STLRegalia on Mar 22, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

juan gone also crops up in a list of comparables, iirc.

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by tom s. on Mar 22, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great rundown!!

Throwing in my $.02…I think the per annum for Pujols is pretty well set at $25M…it’s a fair number for both parties. The question remains how many years. I think the team is looking at 6 and Pujols at 8. Perhaps a 7/$175M with a mutual option for 1/$25M is quite likely…?

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by cardzfanbub on Mar 22, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good Points

Of course you cannot argue with the fact that Mauer is younger, less consistent and has a positional question mark in his future.

My point though is that this contract and Tiex’s contract give the Cardinals a nice framework to use, and importantly puts the number per year closer to $23M then $30M and I think that is important for the Cardinals. The closer the Cardinals can get to have this contract avg out to $23M/year the better. Without these deals the Cardinals would simply have A-Rod’s deals to compare to and the Cardinals simply cannot pay that type of money

by thoran85 on Mar 22, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

but I really don’t think we can pay (or would ever have to pay) $30m in any case. I also don’t think the Yankees need him enough to make that a realistic possibility. I think it was always going to be in the $25m/yr ballpark, and I dunno if this changes that too much. We’ll see, I guess!

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by Felonius_Monk on Mar 22, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yep

I see 23-25/year as the best estimate as well and maybe the Mauer deal didn’t change that, but I just see it as cementing the price. whether that is good or bad for the Cardinals I am not sure

In terms of teams we would be worried about, I would think the Red Sox would throw everything they have at Albert to sign him, considering they need a 1B. Also remeber teams like the Dodgers and Giants might also reach to spend crazy amount for a player like Albert

by thoran85 on Mar 22, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

I dunno about the Giants

but I think you could definitely be right about the Dodgers – I think both they and the Mets might be players for Albert, although that somewhat depends on their recent issues in terms of the finances of their respective ownership.

Dunno about the BoSox – I think it sort of depends on where they have Youk pencilled in long-term, and whether they make a play for Adrian Gonzalez this year (which I think they will), but you’re certainly right that there’d be nothing totally restricting them from making a play for Pujols. FWIW, I’d rather see him move to the AL (in fact, if we couldn’t agree a deal, I’d rather they just traded him to Boston next off-season for, say, Buccholz and Bard or something).

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by Felonius_Monk on Mar 22, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

My guess

a 7-year, $189mil deal, paying out 30, 29, 28, 27, 26, 25 and 24. With perhaps an option for an 8th year.

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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Mar 22, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

And, do you want them in your uniform when they retire?

The thing is either you lock up Pujols for ever or the last 2 years of his playing career will be withTampa Bay and Pittsburgh.

by Tom_Lawless_Bat_Flip on Mar 22, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

This may be a real risk

but I’m going to take it:

I predict that Albert Pujols will never play for the Pittsburgh Pirates. There. I said it.

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by Felonius_Monk on Mar 22, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Michael Jordan couldn't be reached for comment.

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Mar 22, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'm so behind in basketball (i thought the sonics were still in seattle)

but what do you mean?

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Mar 22, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

If a team played defense now

the way the Knicks and Pistons (among others) did when Jordan was in his prime, they would be kicked out of the league.

by Mister Eff on Mar 22, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Handchecking rules outlawed, "hard fouls" are flagrants

Prime Jordan would score 40 a game now.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Mar 22, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I blame the European players

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Mar 22, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I blame $$$

Flopping is all on the Euros though and the worst part of those douches flopping is that it’s made refs hold on to their whistle for normal fouls that someone doesn’t try to sell. The NBA is lucky Dwight Howard is an overly happy guy because if he wasn’t, he’d snap and beat a referee to death on the floor for the pussy calls that go against him.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Mar 22, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually, I shouldn't just confine it to Europeans

Manu Ginobili is one of the worst. I’d say the players who come from a country where soccer is their number one sport are the chief culprits.

Also, re: the refs choking on their whistles, I was watching Hawks-Spurs last night, and Tim Duncan was blatantly fouled and nothing was called. In real time I couldn’t tell, so I thought he was just being a crybaby like usual, but when they showed the replay, Marvin Williams (I’m pretty sure) grabbed his arm on the shot, and even he thought it was a foul (based on his body language after). It was…interesting (and went for the Hawks! Yes!)

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Mar 22, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ginobili isn't european?

blame it on the non-northern americans and non-asians.

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by STLRegalia on Mar 22, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's Argentenian (an Argentine?)

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Mar 22, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

you don't count....

you’re just a foreigner who won’t tell anyone where you’re from.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Mar 22, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

well i'n not american or canadian

and also not asian
so i have to be offended

by d-dee on Mar 22, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

do you play in the NBA?

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by STLRegalia on Mar 22, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

who cares

the people that were overly-offended at my gay comment weren’t gay

by d-dee on Mar 22, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

your gaydar must be incredible

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 22, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

i can also tell

fortune, past and what you’ll have for dinner

by d-dee on Mar 22, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're not Russian, either.

Or so you claimed the other day. Which makes me think you’re Ukrainian.

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by spants on Mar 22, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

cat fight!

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by STLRegalia on Mar 22, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL

This means you’re Slovakian.

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by spants on Mar 22, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm going with

Swedish
(for optical cat fight reasons)

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by STLRegalia on Mar 22, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

i don't know enough

national stereotypes to keep playing this game

by d-dee on Mar 22, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

just google image

Swedish women, and you’ll know why Regalia went there.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Mar 22, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

brazilian would be fine

likely better fighting skills too.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 22, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

with this, i hope the "guess my national origin" game is over.

if d-dee doesn’t want to say – if she did, she would have, guys – she doesn’t have to, and i hope you’ll respect that.

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Mar 22, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Holstein??

;=8)

Big McLargehuge!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Mar 22, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

fez?

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by STLRegalia on Mar 22, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is a ridiculous argument

I think Jordan would actually have a tougher time scoring now than he did back then, especially pre-triangle Jordan who didn’t have a post up game. The zone defenses make it really difficult to attack the basket with any regularity since you can just put two defenders on one side of the floor without having them guarding anyone as long as they aren’t in the lane.

Also, the league has evolved defensively to the point where you can isolate scorers who have trouble shooting from long range and don’t have a post game. Jordan had a nice mid-range game, but he’d have to be able to stretch you out to the three point line in today’s game, like all the great scorers in the game right now can do. Kobe, ‘Melo, LeBron, Durant, Wade can all extend out to the three and hit it at better than 36%. You never had to cover MJ out there, but the defensive rules at the time maintained that you had to actually “guard” him — you wouldn’t have to do that now. I don’t think that ‘87 MJ averages 37 a game in today’s league. I do think that ’91 – ’93 MJ would have lead the league in scoring and that ’96 – ’98 MJ would have led the league in scoring as well. The guy who would really benefit from the new rules in his prime would have been someone like Karl Malone or Bernard King because they were impossible to defend on their own or off the pick and roll.

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by fourstick on Mar 22, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'd go with benoit benjamin

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 22, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seriously

This is what pisses me off — that isn’t at all what he said, actually.

He said he’d average 40 a game. He would NOT average 40 a game in today’s environment with a similar team that he had in the 80’s, when the league had much higher scoring than it does now. Kobe is a better offensive player at this point than Michael Jordan ever thought about being. He can beat you in every conceivable way, yet in his prime he only average 35 a game. That’s about the peak that you can average in today’s game. You’re also not factoring in how much MJ lived at the foul line in his glory days. He took 10 to 12 FT attempts every game, and a lot of that had to do with the rough play at the time. Back off his FT attempts to 7 or 8 a game and he’s going to struggle to average even the 37 that he did in ’87.

Would he lead the league in scoring? Probably, because of his force of will to do so. It has nothing to do with the rules. He would have averaged 55 a game in 1965 due to the fact that he would have taken 20 more shots a game and would have been the best athlete in the league at the time, but he didn’t PLAY in 1965, did he?

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by fourstick on Mar 22, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

i notice you failed to address benoit benjamin

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 22, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

rec'd

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by Felonius_Monk on Mar 23, 2010 6:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Who's the only person who could keep Michael Jordan under 20 points a game?

Dean Smith

/rimshot

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Mar 22, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually

I would bet that Scottie Pippen would have frustrated the holy hell out of Jordan had Scottie played for the Knicks or Pistons. Pippen was the best defender of his era and probably a top 2 or 3 defender all time.

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by fourstick on Mar 22, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just enjoy watching you argue against yourself.

You say something is “ridiculous” then agree with the basic premise.

by Mister Eff on Mar 22, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

I didn't agree with the premise

The premise was that he would average 40 PPG.

There’s no “basic premise” involved. I do not think he would average 40 PPG and I put my reasons out there as to why I think that way.

I’ve yet to see a good argument as to why he would, just a couple of jerks giving me shit for having a position on the subject.

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by fourstick on Mar 22, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

jerks is a little strong

but if i am included, i prefer to be called a prick

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 22, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's why I hope you never become a front page poster with mod powers

there’s no need for the jerks comment.

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Mar 22, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yes, there is

If you’re being a JERK, then you deserve to be called a JERK.

If you don’t want to be called a JERK then don’t be one. Period.

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by fourstick on Mar 22, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

not you either.

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by fourstick on Mar 22, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are you referring to me?

"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Mar 22, 2010 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

is this still about basketball

or should i read it?

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Mar 22, 2010 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

tl;dr

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Mar 22, 2010 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

i just want to know what ppg is

pitches per game?

para ple gic?

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Mar 22, 2010 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

points

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 22, 2010 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

no, there isn't

if that’s the case you would deserve it on a daily basis.

Try to be civil for a week, I bet you can’t do it.

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Mar 22, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wait

See, I was perfectly civil until MisterEff decided to go here:

So you’re saying Jordan in his prime would lead the league in scoring…
Which is pretty much what joker and myself were implying.

Incorrect argument — plus, he inserted himself into a conversation that he wasn’t in to begin with. Get your facts right, or don’t post.

I just enjoy watching you argue against yourself.
You say something is "ridiculous" then agree with the basic premise.

Same thing. He has no idea what the argument is because he either hasn’t read the original post or he’s just trying to be difficult when there is a good debate going on. Either way, that’s not civil.

He’s not providing anything to the conversation, so I called him a jerk, because he’s being a fucking jerk. I could have used harsher language, but then again, I’m always the fucking bad guy even though I was attacked personally first.

You know what. Go fuck off. Seriously. I get tired of being pigeonholed for not being “civil” when I have just as many civil debates as everyone else does — I get all the shit for it, which allows everyone else to give me a hard time because I can’t respond without being labeled as the instigator. The proof is there, go read it.

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by fourstick on Mar 22, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not gonna get into the middle of this,

but I think the point is, there has to be a more civil way to say

You know what. Go fuck off.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Mar 22, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

and I actually think I was out of line with the

“in that case you deserve it on a daily basis”

I don’t actually think you do. And even after this whole thingamajig, I still like most of what you bring here.

 I’ll never understand why you feel the need to get pissed off enough to tell people to go fuck off though.

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Mar 22, 2010 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mainly because

I get tired of getting cast as the bad guy. All I’m trying to do is have a civil conversation and then the put downs start.

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by fourstick on Mar 22, 2010 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

you get cast as the bad guy

because you won’t ever walk away from an ugly argument, and you call people jerks and tell them to fuck off when they have neither used profanity nor any sort of ad-hominem attack that I can see.

Seriously, if EVERYBODY thinks “you’re the bad guy”, as you put it, do you not conceive of the even vague possibility you might’ve once or twice done something to deserve that reputation? Or do you think that everyone has just randomly taken a dislike to you, despite the fact no-one knows anything about you, where you’re from, what you do, or much past anything other than your name and what you post on here? Which is the more likely explanation, all subjectivity aside?

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by Felonius_Monk on Mar 23, 2010 6:58 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

meh.

actually, this isn’t really any of my business. Might as well disregard that.

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by Felonius_Monk on Mar 23, 2010 7:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

back off brit!!! before we strip the Falklands away too!!!

and Wales!!!

Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.

by TomCat009 on Mar 23, 2010 7:28 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

rec'd!

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by Felonius_Monk on Mar 23, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

hey my first rec,

 thanks man I forgive you for that whole Namibia thing

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by TomCat009 on Mar 24, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Where did I say to absolve me of all blame?

My point is that I’m not the ONLY one to blame, and that’s generally how this crap gets started. If everyone is going to allow people to make drive-by comments and start crap with other posters that they have no business getting involved in, THAT DOESN’T FURTHER THE DEBATE ON THE SITE.

Look back through the comments — I get personally attacked just as much as I attack others. You’re right — nobody knows me personally except for a select few people on this site, yet I’m always cast as the asshole. I’m simply trying to have debates on topics. No, I’m not going to walk away from someone challenging my ideas or thoughts without proper evidence and I’m certainly not going to drop arguments when others make a point that can’t be backed up. Isn’t that what we’re here for? To learn more about the game? Why does everything have to be so politically correct that we have to tiptoe around those members who are clearly here only to raise a ruckus all the time?

I told someone to “fuck off” only after being personally attacked . It shouldn’t have to get to that level, and I’m sorry for that, but I’ve yet to see others in this particular thread get a warning from anyone when they’ve been less than civil as well. Passing judgment on my character is a PERSONAL ATTACK regardless of whether it’s profane or not.

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by fourstick on Mar 23, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

First of all, we're here for baseball, not what-if basketball talk.

Second, tom s. already explained to you that you were not personally attacked. Third, we all know you don’t see it. There’s really nothing more to say about any of this.

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by spants on Mar 23, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks

I wasn’t talking to you, but thanks for reiterating everything so clearly.

Mister Eff’s comment can be taken personally, it was, therefore I am not the only one to blame here.

End of story.

If we’re going to have a conversation about civility, then we need to be consistent.

Thanks.

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by fourstick on Mar 23, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anything can be taken personally.

You came in throwing sharp elbows and you got one in return. You didn’t like it and you freaked out. Then, post-freak out, you cry “It’s not all my fault,” point your finger at the other guy, and never take responsibility. That’s what happened. It’s what happens every time.

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by spants on Mar 23, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Flagged.

This conversation is over.

You clearly have personal issues with me, and you don’t even know me.

I’VE NEVER ABSOLVED MYSELF OF BLAME ON THE ISSUE. I’VE EVEN APOLOGIZED. I’VE YET TO SEE ANYONE APOLOGIZE TO ME FOR MAKING A PERSONAL ATTACK ON MY CHARACTER. THAT’S MY PROBLEM.

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by fourstick on Mar 23, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I have a problem with your behavior on the board.

I don’t know you personally.

And I’m okay with you flagging me. It’s completely personal and not based on anything I’ve done wrong, but that’s fine.

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by spants on Mar 23, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah

now you know how it feels.

My behavior is directly related to the behavior of others. I don’t just go off half cocked all on my own. I get tired of people making a stupid argument and then personally attacking me when I refute it, especially when it wasn’t even their argument to begin with.

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by fourstick on Mar 23, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

It doesn't matter if there is instigation.

You’re trying to justify your actions by blaming the instigator. You don’t have to react. You choose to hit “post.”

And no, I don’t care if you flag me. You’ve been flagged 19 times BEFORE telling someone to fuck off yesterday. Pretty sure one flag from you isn’t going to get me banned, especially when I’ve been nothing but reasonable.

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by spants on Mar 23, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

So now you want to ban me?

Awesome. Thanks.

That’s not very respectful of you.

I shouldn’t have to even have the choice — instigators should be punished as well, that’s also in the community guidelines.

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by fourstick on Mar 23, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't say that.

You like to put words in people’s mouths.

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by spants on Mar 23, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

You clearly don't care

what anyone else has to say. And the banning was implied in your comment. You should be more careful when you type, someone might take offense to it and flag you over it.

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by fourstick on Mar 23, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

It wasn't implied.

I was saying that I’m not too worried about being flagged by YOU.

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by spants on Mar 23, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh I see

Because I have a bad reputation my flags don’t mean anything.

Dangerous precedent your setting there.

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by fourstick on Mar 23, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

As far as I can tell,

I haven’t set any precedent.

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by spants on Mar 23, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually

this whole entire thread is you’ve set the precedent that

  1. I have been and always will be in the wrong, no matter the reaction from anyone else.
  2. That you don’t need to worry about being banned when someone flags you.
  3. That flags given by people who have more flags than you don’t really count.

Funny, I don’t find any of those in the community guidelines.

Keep being pithy, this is kinda fun.

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by fourstick on Mar 23, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Forget it

You’re right, I’m wrong.

Let’s just drop it.

Sheesh.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Mar 23, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

This has been addressed privately twice now.

This conversation is closed at this point. I don’t want to see any more comments on it.

Think; It's not illegal yet.

by azruavatar on Mar 23, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thank you azru

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Mar 23, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

You Can't Flag Spants!

She has girl parts!

:=8O

And, you know, girls are nice.

See, this is why I do my cow-thing, too many people take themselves too seriously on the internet.

Big McLargehuge!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Mar 23, 2010 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

you're the only one here

i take seriously, moocow.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 23, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

WHAT???

so, you’re not a real cow???

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Mar 24, 2010 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is not true at all
That’s what happened. It’s what happens every time.

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by fourstick on Mar 23, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

and I don't really wanna start a whole argument about this

I just hate the name calling on here. You mostly post great stuff, and then stuff like this negates a lot of your value. You can disagree without the name calling, agreed?

You have the potential to be a fantastic blogger, but you let these rants bring you down.

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Mar 22, 2010 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have such the perfect reply.

But I’m using my better judgment not to post it here.

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by spants on Mar 22, 2010 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions   3 recs

Aw

Don’t hold back a stabbing!

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Mar 22, 2010 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

well send it to my email already!

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Mar 22, 2010 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am off to do so

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Mar 22, 2010 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

A vicarious rec for you

I'm not a player, I just mouth-breathe a lot

by all4tookie on Mar 22, 2010 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL...rec'd

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Mar 22, 2010 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

find what? where?

Hope is the worst of all evils, for it prolongs the torment of man

by gdm426 on Mar 22, 2010 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

But telling someone that you “like seeing them arguing against themselves” is pretty much name calling itself, would you agree?

Sorry man, but it seems like I’m always the guy that gets told to calm down even when someone else starts it. Nobody’s telling Mister Eff to cool it, and he’s just as culpable here — he’s just not going to come out and tell me where to stick it. Sorry, I’m more direct. If I think you’re being a jerk off, then I’m not going to pussy foot around it. I don’t see the problem with that.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Mar 22, 2010 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

you just seem....

awfully tense all the time. You shouldn’t take life so serious. You will never get out of it alive

by FlimtotheFlam on Mar 22, 2010 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

the problem is there is a problem with it, whether you see it or not.

having an intense conversation, saying that someone is playing fast and loose with the facts, saying their argument is ridiculous is like having sharp elbows. i wish it wouldn’t happen, but intense and enthusiastic debate is part of the site.

saying "fuck you, jerkoff’ is not argument and there is no way that it enhances the content of this site or makes anybody (including you) want to come read it.

it’s not okay, and i don’t care if you don’t see a problem with it.

it needs to stop.

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Mar 22, 2010 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fine, I'll stop

I then expect the mods to have these conversations with the other person involved in this argument, not just me. Singling me out doesn’t solve the problem, it just makes it easier to blame one person, and frankly tom, I’m sick of being the one blamed.

I made a good argument that was responded to with: “I love seeing you argue with yourself”. That’s a personal attack any way you slice it. I’ve yet to see anyone tell Mister Eff he was out of line. You have to be consistent, and you haven’t been on this issue.

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by fourstick on Mar 22, 2010 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

there's a difference between flat-out name calling and argument.

the gist of mister eff’s comment was – even if it was tinged in less-than-convivial terms – was aimed at your argument, not at you; namely, that it was a phony argument or that you were picking at straws, creating an argument where there was none.

there is a difference between saying, “oh, not this lame argument again” which is not particularly nice but at least partially addressed at an argument, and “fuck you, you fucking jerk.”

there’s a line there that you’re missing where you devolve, not other people, into exclusively insulting people in ways that have nothing to do with argument.

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Mar 22, 2010 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like both of those guys

"If you don't have outstanding relief pitching, you might as well piss on the fire and call the boggs." -WH

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 22, 2010 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

who cares who you like?

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 22, 2010 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I simply called him a "jerk" tom
fuck you, you fucking jerk.

Never said that. mattyfrommo decided to judge me inappropriately. I should have sent him an email I guess instead of airing it on the site. We’re clearly too politically correct around here to solve our problems in the open.

That’s exactly how he was acting. Like a jerk. What am I supposed to do? Just let my character get demolished?

You’re right, I could have handled it better. But so could everyone else. It’s clear that there’s an instigator here. My argument was not phony or grasping at straws — which is what I said afterwards. He could have left it at that, but NOOOOOOOOO — it’s got to go farther so we can all save face. It’s stupid and juvenile, but most of it goes back to getting involved in an argument for the sake of pissing off another poster, which was exactly the intent of the post that started all of this.

Here’s the problem: You either deal with these things consistently as a mod or you don’t. I would have been perfectly fine with both of us getting warned and letting that be that. But I’m NOT going to stand for getting typecast as the “troublemaker” all the time when others are instigating and have been involved in negative arguments just as often as I am.

His comment had absolutely nothing to do with the argument at hand and everything to do with personally attacking me. Sure, it’s more polite, but I’m never going to win a war with the PC police, and that’s not the issue here. If you can get away with sniping at people by using polite language, how is that any better than just being direct about it and getting it over with?

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by fourstick on Mar 23, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

How 'bout you worry about following the guidelines?

This isn’t some weird internet duel. You don’t have the “right” to counter-attack your opponent.

I’d like to point out that this shit is ruining VEB. It creates a hostile environment that inhibits true debate.

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by spants on Mar 23, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I will follow the guidelines

as long as everyone else follows the guidelines.

I’VE CREATED A HOSTILE ENVIRONMENT?

That’s laughable. I tried to have a true debate on the issue. Someone decided to chide me about “arguing with myself” How is that part of the debate? That’s personally attacking me. Why can you not see the forest through the trees?

You clearly have a personal problem with me. If I wanted to handle this like everyone else, I’d just flag every comment of yours.

I guess that’s how I’ll go about doing things from now on. If you are attacking me you will get flagged. Bet on it. I’m tired of being the scapegoat for all of VEB’s problems.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Mar 23, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't say that YOU have created a hostile environment.

See, this is what we’re talking about. I said “This shit” is creating a hostile environment.

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by spants on Mar 23, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh give me a break

You talk about me, then talk about a hostile environment. You’re saying you’re NOT talking about me?

How would you see that comment?

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by fourstick on Mar 23, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

You claim to care about the community,

and then you call people names and tell people to fuck off. How do you not see the incongruency there?

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by spants on Mar 23, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

YES

I’ve apologized in about four different places. I was out of line.

Mister Eff hasn’t apologized to me, and he set the whole thing off.

Why do I have to apologize and he doesn’t? His comment was clearly personal as I’ve pointed out numerous times.

If nobody else had to apologize for their actions why the hell should I have to? Why am I always the guy who has to throw in the towel and admit blame?

Just be consistent. That’s all I’m asking.

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by fourstick on Mar 23, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

You don't have to do anything,

apparently. Not even follow the guidelines.

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by spants on Mar 23, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seriously

You have a problem with me. Fine.

I follow the guidelines as much as anyone else, but I shouldn’t be the only one that has to apologize when others break the guidelines.

Period. End of discussion.

I’m not above the law here, nor have I ever said I was, anywhere in this thread or any thread. You believe what you want, I know where I stand.

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by fourstick on Mar 23, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who else has called someone

an asshole and told someone to fuck off on this board? Within a week for that matter! You’re clearly above “the law.”

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by spants on Mar 23, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't keep track of that type of stuff

I’m sure it’s happened. I’m sure it’s happened in the same comment before.

Maybe you should police all of us since you are clearly above the fray and never get upset or out of line.

I’m clearly the douchebag here, so let’s just leave it at that.

happy?

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by fourstick on Mar 23, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow

I’d flag this, but I just don’t care anymore.

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by fourstick on Mar 23, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you don't believe in being fair,

then I have nothing more to discuss with you.

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by fourstick on Mar 23, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I judged you inappropriately?

I said I thought that calling someone a jerk was uncalled for. I then got out of line and said thatI bet that you couldn’t be civil. I called myself out on that and then apologized.

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Mar 23, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wish I would have read this whole thing first

disregard this comment, I am pretty sure that coming into this thread again is a bad idea. We need to get over it and let our heads cool.

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Mar 23, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really have no issue with your comment at this point

I overreacted and I apologize. The immediate apology was appreciated.

I fully realize I can be abrasive at times, but my point throughout this thread is that there are others on here that make personal attacks that are never called out, mainly because everyone seems to focus on the person MOST to blame in the situation. Usually that ends up being the person doing the direct name calling. Drawing the line there allows people to get away with a lot of things that are not ok just because they are being in-direct about it. What Mister Eff said was no ok, and I don’t think anyone else would like to be addressed in that tone either. Should I have walked away? Probably, but I thought there was an interesting debate to be had and he wasn’t interested in that at all.

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by fourstick on Mar 23, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

hahaha

funny.

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by fourstick on Mar 22, 2010 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Next time

I’ll just say: You’re argument has not merit. Then walk away.

I don’t see what that does to further conversation or debate on the site. If someone wants to post opinions that don’t hold up to scrutiny that should be pointed out.

That is merely all I was doing, and Joker and I had a nice little debate about it — I have no issues with the debate itself, just the intentional person jabs taken by someone who isn’t invested in the argument at all.

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by fourstick on Mar 22, 2010 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Being able to walk away is important

Sometimes people are unwilling or unable to see your perspective in an argument (this is not to be taken as a comment on anyone here, or even this particular argument). When that’s the case, it can be ridiculously frustrating. Infuriating, even.

That said, there’s never an excuse for anyone — you or otherwise — to attack someone personally in a debate. You can say that you think their view is stupid (and explain why), but once you’re calling them stupid, it’s just a flamewar. And a flamewar doesn’t help ANYTHING — it doesn’t make them understand your point any better (any may, in fact, make them more resistant to it), it makes you look like the bad guy, and it brings down the overall quality of the site. So why go there? At some point, if you feel you’ve spelled out your argument and they are incapable of seeing your point (for whatever reason), you just have to be willing to walk away knowing — or “knowing” — that you’re right.

Anyway, that was probably redundant of what others have said, and I like you a lot as a user, fourstick, so don’t take this as an indictment—it’s just a statement of how I see the flamewar issue. Just thought I’d throw in my $0.02.

I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...

by mojowo11 on Mar 22, 2010 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

funny link

tagline?

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 22, 2010 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here's the thing

Joker and I had a nice debate about the issue, and I think we both respect each other’s positions on the matter.

It was another poster sticking his nose in to needle me that ignited the flame war, and justifiably so. That was clearly the intent of the post “I love watching you argue with yourself”. That’s just as personal as me calling him a jerk.

I have no problem walking away, but me walking away while being labeled the “asshole” just doesn’t sit well with me, because those who know me personally know I like a good argument but that I’m not arrogant or prickish about making an argument. I feel like in these situations I become labeled, unfairly, for not being civil, when generally the other poster isn’t being civil either and he just gets away with it.

I’ve had problems with VEP and azruavatar arguing really complex issues where things have gotten out of hand. The difference is that those two are willing to admit that we’re all kinda emotional about some of these issues and that perhaps we take things too far sometimes because of that passion. It’s mutual. When I’m getting blamed for everything I say and everyone can just attack me at will, which seems to be happening a lot here lately, then how does that add to the quality of the site?

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by fourstick on Mar 23, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

You could've walked away when he made that comment,

and you most definitely wouldn’t have looked like an “asshole.” You made a choice.

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by spants on Mar 23, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Again,

wrong.

I’ve walked away from many arguments. I’m still the scapegoat every time this shit comes up. I’ve had it. Be consistent.

I made the choice to debate someone one a comment. I did not make a choice to get personally attacked.

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by fourstick on Mar 23, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Where does it say in the guidelines

“If attacked personally, vehemently defend your internet personal honor using any means necessary, including violating community guidelines?”

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by spants on Mar 23, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are you serious?

All I’m asking for is that other people who break guidelines get addressed the same as me. I don’t see what the problem is with that.

I will now flag comments instead of responding and I expect the mods to deal with it accordingly.

This debate is over. You clearly have personal issues with me and I’m not going to debate your personal feelings on the matter.

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by fourstick on Mar 23, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve made no assertions. I’ve simply asked that everyone be treated fairly and that community guidelines be applied to everyone consistently.

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by fourstick on Mar 23, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

By having this conversation

you are violating community guidelines.

Just so you know.

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by fourstick on Mar 23, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

not to butt in here

but would it be more productive for everyone to give this topic a rest for a while? This clearly isn’t going anywhere good.

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Mar 23, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

All I've done is outlined my position

If spants has a problem with that, fine. I really don’t care one way or the other.

If spants wants to act all high and mighty and above the fray about it, well, spants has a right to do that too.

I really don’t care.

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by fourstick on Mar 23, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't like being talked down too

Clearly, neither do you.

There’s no reason to be patronizing.

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by fourstick on Mar 23, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Clearly and directly

patronizing.,

You don’t care what I have to say, so why do you keep engaging me? What’s the point? To beat me up and make me feel bad about myself? How is that civil?

This is exactly what I’m talking about. I suppose I should just apologize for the 6th time in this thread. Then maybe you’ll get off my back.

I’m sorry. So sorry for having a position on the matter. I was clearly in the wrong and have nobody to blame but myself.

Can we drop this now? It’s really exhausting to continue to type when nobody fucking cares what you have to say.

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by fourstick on Mar 23, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Done

dropped. Over.

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by fourstick on Mar 23, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's not over

till the cows come home

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 23, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

and a "well done, sir" for you

Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.

by TomCat009 on Mar 23, 2010 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's clear who likes to go back and forth the most about nothing

that’s what I’ve learned lol. that said, both of you bring a lot to the site so just chill out, sheesh. we’re all Cards fan here!

Allen Craig > Nick Stavinoha

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 23, 2010 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I forgot we're not allowed to have opinions around you.

I think Jordan would score more points in today’s game. The end.

by Mister Eff on Mar 22, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

You can have an opinion

i’d just like you to back it up with some evidence, which you won’t do, because you post in all one liners and then poke fun at others when the disagree with you.

I disagreed with you, brought up reasons why, then you said I was agreeing with you so you don’t have to backup joker’s ridiculous assertion that I was disagreeing with.

It’s fucking nonsense that I don’t allow you to have an opinion. You’re entitled — just don’t get all snooty when someone makes your opinion look foolish and shortsighted with actual evidence.

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by fourstick on Mar 22, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think you made anything look foolish.

You have an opinion. I have an opinion. I’m not sure why either of us has to be wrong. They’re just opinions; nobody has to win them.

by Mister Eff on Mar 22, 2010 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Again

My argument has actual research behind it, yours looks like Joe Morgan rattling off crazy theories.

I’m not saying I’m right, I’m saying provide me evidence that I might be wrong. I don’t think you can for two reasons:

  1. You don’t know what you’re talking about because you clearly haven’t looked at the scoring trends of the league.
  2. You’d rather paint me as the asshole and walk away than have an actual debate.

I’m tired of this attitude around here. There’s very little debate anymore, just people making a statement, calling it opinion, then getting all pissed off when someone refutes their ill-gotten opinion with actual research and facts.

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by fourstick on Mar 22, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's just, like, your opinion, man.

And you’re right, I don’t to debate. I just want to make comments on a blog.

by Mister Eff on Mar 22, 2010 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fine

Then stay out of conversations that are “debates”.

And don’t make personally jibing comments if you don’t bother to back up your assertions and statements.

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by fourstick on Mar 22, 2010 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh for fucks sake

Hope is the worst of all evils, for it prolongs the torment of man

by gdm426 on Mar 22, 2010 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

So,

why do you think this way? Because there’s less defense? Teams, on average, score 8 – 12 fewer points per game the last 4 years than they did in the four years of Jordan’s prime. So, your premise is faulty for one.

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by fourstick on Mar 22, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

You are going to the mat to argue over

whether MJ could squeeze an extra 3ppg out? T hat seems like it is a pretty reasonable assertion, certainly not one that inspires ridicule, if MJ had never managed 35ppg I can see the argument.

Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.

by TomCat009 on Mar 23, 2010 7:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's not a reasonable assertion actually

and it goes back to the assertion that scoring is wide open in the league now and that they played better defense back then. That’s simply not true. The average PPG in the league do not bear that out factually. Teams average about 8 points fewer per game the last 3 seasons than they did during Jordan’s prime scoring years in ‘86, ’87, and ’93. The fact that the league, as a whole, plays worse defense now than they did then is simply not true, and I think the rules changes would make it more difficult on MJ to score as much as he’d need to in order to average 40 PPG. The best scorers in todays game have a difficult time getting to 35 a night on average, but he’s just going to show up and drop 40 a night? It’s just not realistic.

The reason I’m going to the mat on this is that only one player in the history of the game averaged better than 40 PPG in any season of professional basketball EVER. Wilt Chamberlain, and he did it twice: 50.36 PPG in ‘61-’62 and 44.83 PPG in ‘62-’63. The reasons he was able to this are these:

  1. Teams took 20 more shots per game during those seasons than they do now, so there were 20-25 more possessions per game then then there are now. That’s a lot more shots and a lot more opportunities to score points.
  2. At the time there were only two other 7 foot tall players in the entire league. Bill Russell was only about 6’8". If you sent Shaq back in time to replace Wilt, he’s probably average 50 PPG too. Same with Hakeem Olajuwon in his prime. If those guys were as selfish as Wilt was, they’d be able to score at will.

Sure, Wilt was a great player, but those Warriors teams didn’t win much, although the other guys on the team were pretty talented. He was probably the most selfish player in the history of the game and was obsessed with this statistics. This is what allowed him to average 50 a game, get 100 in a single game, and sleep with 20,000 women. I mean, what non-stat obsessed guy keeps a “number of women I’ve doinked” journal?

I don’t see MJ the same way I see Wilt. MJ was obsessed with winning, Wilt was obsessed with himself. MJ just happened to be the best player on those Chicago teams of the mid to late 80’s, so nobody could convince him to share the ball with guys who weren’t as talented as he was. Phil Jackson convinced him that he couldn’t beat teams like the Pistons, Celtics, and Lakers unless he involved his teammates. Phil knew he’d still be able to get his points, but doing it within the framework of the offense kept his teammates involved and they were then willing to do what was necessary on defense to get the win. Could Jordan have scored 40 a game in 1962? Probably. Could he score 40 a game now? I really highly doubt it.

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by fourstick on Mar 23, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

There you said it

“Could he score 40 a game now? I really highly doubt it” if that had been the whole of your statement you could have gotten some laundry done today. I am not saying you don’t have a good reason to believe what you believe but at the end of the day it is a belief. If I remember Logic class correctly the things people cannot productively argue about are Facts, Opinion, and Beliefs.

Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.

by TomCat009 on Mar 23, 2010 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

i disagree

i think it was an opinion, not a belief.

and are you suggesting that no matter how well an opinion is supported by facts, at the end of the day it’s still an opinion and hasn’t become a fact? you, sir, are the spitting image of audacious.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 23, 2010 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

and you argue with him?

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by TomCat009 on Mar 23, 2010 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not anymore.

That guy sucks.

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by spants on Mar 23, 2010 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

not productive?

Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.

by TomCat009 on Mar 23, 2010 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nope.

But sometimes, arguments can be illustrative. So, for instance, if my husband found his brother to be reasonable, witnessing one debate with me indicated otherwise. Everything always came back to “in your opinion.” Which – DUH. Why even ask what I think? Anyway, there was never any true debate or understanding. Just him asking me something, me answering, and him being incredibly skeptical even when he had no knowledge of the matter.

Playing Scrabble with him was loads of fun as he never knew any of the words I played. I’d memorized a bunch of Scrabble words, and rather than trust that I had more expertise than him, he’d challenge. I counted on it.

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by spants on Mar 23, 2010 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

personally, i've never heard an opinion i shared

or had one i didn’t, but i’ve realized i had to fake it/tone it down in public.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 24, 2010 2:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

absolutely it isn't about whether

or not you have the right to say what you want to say, rather it is whether you think saying it will do any good. I think a lot of things I don’t say because I can see the road they would take me down and don’t want to inspire bad feelings in those I argue with.

Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.

by TomCat009 on Mar 24, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

And sometimes you have to play the bad guy.

My husband understood my frustration with his brother following that situation. I’ve mentioned before that he was living with us and wouldn’t get the hell out, so I was spending far more time with him than I wanted to.

You can read it in any tone you like.

by spants on Mar 24, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would say that it is unproductive to argue about those three things

not passing judgment on the quality of your analysis, rather saying that unless you can bring someone around to your point of view, you are just banging your head against a wall. All I was saying is that if you like the blunt force trauma by all means continue take offense at what you deem to be others stupidity.

Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.

by TomCat009 on Mar 23, 2010 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

ok...?

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 24, 2010 2:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

How Dare You Sir!!!

Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.

by TomCat009 on Mar 24, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't make a claim like "He would average 40 a game today!!!"

And then say that “leading the league in scoring in the same thing”. It’s not. There’s a handful of players in the history of the league that have averaged 40 a game for an entire season. That’s elite company.

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by fourstick on Mar 22, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't follow the NBA now

but I have seen enough Jordan games in my day to throw out a grossly misinformed opinion… I think that Jordan was so competitive that with the relaxed defensive efforts put forth today he would have worked his ass off to find a way to exploit it to the tune of 40 per game. I remember a quote for when he came back to the Wiz about him scoring 20 a game that was basically “I’m Michael Jordan. You don’t think I can score 5 points a quarter.” That type of bravado would probably have him destroying players and teams in today’s buddy buddy we’re all here to have a good time and get money for the next Bentley league it’s become…

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by ducttape16 on Mar 22, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I loved his HOF speech

no BS.

“I’m Michael Jordan. You suck. I’m better than you. You wish you were me.”

to paraphrase

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by STLRegalia on Mar 22, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

But you gotta know the back story

He bet his buddy $500K that he would actually say that.

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by jd is legend on Mar 22, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

which makes it even better

Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")

by STLRegalia on Mar 22, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I never saw it

I heard from so many people they were disappointed so I steered clear.

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by ducttape16 on Mar 22, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

when people hate something

I tend to want to see it more

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by STLRegalia on Mar 22, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

that last line sums it up, ducttape

bird and laimbeer going at it, pippen getting headached by detroit, rambis being put down, the chief sneaking in a couple cuts at laimbeer, coop squaring up, mahorn being mahorn – that was the golden age. guys weren’t even ejected. the problem became that another generation entered the league, and they’d fight over trash talk, which the preceding guys never did, even though they were huge talkers. it became a “your mama” would be considered being disrespected and result in a punk fight (high schoolers and one-and-dones may have factored in). so stern had to clean up the corporate image, and the result is your last line.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 22, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

The thing I don't understand

is how so many of the pro fans say the product is so much better than the college game. To me it seems like the pro games I end up watching are basically obstructed lay up line drills. It seems like there aren’t nearly as many fast breaks which is due to better shooting I suppose, but seems to be boring to me. Also I think the fact that all the players now have been in AAU ball since they were zygotes and know each other from them makes the buddy buddy thing much easier.

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by ducttape16 on Mar 22, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok

but then watch what happens when that stud college shooter comes into the league and can’t get his shot off. JJ Redick, prime example. I don’t enjoy watching most college teams play. I love watching most NBA teams play. It’s the best players playing each other. The NCAA hasn’t had that since the early 1990’s. If you have two future NBA players on your team in college, you’re headed to the final four now (Kentucky)

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by fourstick on Mar 22, 2010 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you have 4 NBA Caliber players, you're a lock for a national title.

UNC ’09

Note: Above comment may contain gratuitous amounts of sarcasm.

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by vexedtechie on Mar 22, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

What about UNC '08?

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by jd is legend on Mar 22, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

What about UNC '05?

Oh it hurts… and worst of all it was self inflicted…

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by ducttape16 on Mar 22, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Only 3 in 2008

Danny Green didn’t emerge as a potential 2nd rd draft pick til the next year.

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by vexedtechie on Mar 22, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Uhhhh

Kansas ’10?

In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Mar 22, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Name the 4 NBA Caliber players on the Kansas team...

Collins will be a backup PG at the next level. He’s not nearly as good as Felton or Lawson were as college seniors.

Aldrich is a poor man’s Eric Montross. He’ll be a quality big body for someone, but he’ll never average 20 a game. He’s not near as skilled as players like Raef LaFrentz and Nick Collison were at KU, and they were never all-star players at the next level. His ceiling is probably as a backup center in the league.

They have a couple of other players that might be NBA caliber, but nobody else on that team is getting drafted this summer even if they left school early.

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by fourstick on Mar 22, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I enjoy the wording of the last sentence

as if you leave school early you somehow improve your draft status than staying four years. I think this may be one issue the NBA should look into…

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by ducttape16 on Mar 22, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Xavier Henry would definetely get drafted in the 1st

He struggled early, but lit it up in conference and especially in the tourney, but my point was that most of them have NBA futures. Even if you don’t think Henry is ready, he will be in a year or 2 at the most. Tyshawn Taylor looks good despite being behind Sherron Collins.

You are correct, there is no sure fire NBA talent, but I see a lot of potential in most of them.

In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Mar 22, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'd have to think henry would be first round

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 22, 2010 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe in a year or so.

I dunno though — there are a lot of good players in the first 15 picks of this draft. Henry might go as a high upside pick late, but I think there are going to be a lot of those in the draft this year. Moot point though, as I think he’ll stay in school.

They do have a lot of potential talent there, I just think that most of it is a couple of years away yet, and I think the Aldrich is vastly overrated because he never has to play against guys his size and he doesn’t have a jump shot. He got shut down pretty well the other night by a 6’6" kid who pushed him away from the basket and by a 7’ guy who can’t move. I just don’t see him having a lot of success at the NBA level.

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by fourstick on Mar 22, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with you, he is a bit overrated.

But some desperate team like the Thunder will say, “What the hell” and draft him anyway. I think that maybe his ceiling is Joel Pryzbilla? SOlid defensively, not a great offensive threat, smart, etc.

In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Mar 22, 2010 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

that would not be a bad ceiling for him

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 22, 2010 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, it isn't

The Rockets will kill for a guy like him right now.

In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Mar 22, 2010 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think we're talking about the same point

probably cause I did a crappy job of articulating it. To me it seems the NBA teams don’t have any offense other than isolation and trying to break your man down for a pull up jumper or drive to the basket. In college you see offenses where the other guys are running around and giving something to soothe my ADD. And I don’t know what you’re trying to say with the Redick example… there are tons of college players that haven’t panned out the next level in all sports. Ryan Leaf for one…

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by ducttape16 on Mar 22, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree

Have you watched Phoenix play? Golden State? Dallas? The Lakers? The Knicks? They all run complicated offenses designed to put players in a position to get a good shot or a layup. Even the Thunder are very good at executing offensively.

If anything, that’s more the case at the college level. Ohio State pretty much puts the ball in Evan Turner’s hands and goes to a 1-4 low set to spread things out and let him go to work. Same thing with Kentucky with Wall and Cousins. The only teams that run offenses are the mid-majors like Butler and Cornell, and teams like Duke who don’t really even run an offense, they just have like 600 different set plays.

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by fourstick on Mar 22, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm really only entering this with knowledge

of the college game that I can use to make points. So I’m going to bow out now and concede this to you.

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by ducttape16 on Mar 22, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

cornell runs the most efficient offense

in the tourney – very impressive.

i guess i’m spoiled, but nba offense sucks compared to the bird-magic era would those teams would have 7-8 crisp, quick passes per possession to and from guys cutting. way too much dribbling now, which is boring. also, the fast breaks back then were a thing of beauty, and the other team actually tried to stop them, which is necessary for the thing of beauty to occur.

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by cardball on Mar 22, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

There's less cutting now

because there’s more help defense and zone defense. You can’t just back cut to the bucket like you did back then, there will be guys waiting for you. You’re also talking about the two best teams of that era. The ’Nique Hawks played a lot like most of the teams now. Lots of isolation plays and pick and roll plays for Spud and Wilkins. Same with the Nuggets of the era, the Suns with Kevin Johnson and Barkley, Barkley in Philly, I could go on and on. The only two teams that played super efficient offenses were the Lakers and Celtics because they had amazing depth and had 5 players who could score on the floor at all times. Hell, the Celts could have started 5 HOF level players in ’86 (Walton, Chief, McHale, Bird, and DJ who should be in) and still had All-Stars like Danny Ainge coming off the bench. Same with the Lakers with Magic, Kareem, and Worthy along with Byron Scott and Michael Cooper.

I think if you go back and actually watch those teams though you’re going to see just as many isolation plays as you do now. The Celts used to iso McHale on the block dozens of times a game, and the Lakers always dumped it into Kareem when they needed a big bucket.

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by fourstick on Mar 22, 2010 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

true about the post iso

i guess i was talking about the perimeter iso with all the dribbling.

back then it was all lakers and celts on tv – you didn’t get all the other teams, so who cared how they played? oh, and the pistons. so yes, my perception is undoubtedly tainted.

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by cardball on Mar 22, 2010 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I watched a lot of LA back then

they used to run ISO plays for Worth on the wing and a two man game with Worthy and Magic pick and rolls when Kareem was sitting down.

I think the offense has gotten more innovative in today’s game because you can defend in so many different ways now.

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by fourstick on Mar 22, 2010 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eh, I don't think this is really a fair assessment.

There are still tons of NBA teams with an iso-heavy offense, and plenty of top tier college basketball teams that don’t just get out of the way (georgetown, tennessee, big ten in general, etc). In fact, most teams don’t have a player good enough to run everything through and be successful.

I don’t think it is fair to pick out three of the best players in all of college basketball and use them as examples – of course you should isolate those guys when they are so much better than everyone else on the floor. For instance, it wouldn’t be fair to say that the NBA is all isolation just using the Hawks as an example.

I'm not a player, I just mouth-breathe a lot

by all4tookie on Mar 22, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sure there are

but not everyone runs it. I don’t see many college teams these days running the motion offense (Indiana) or the Princeton offense (Pete Carril’s offense, which Cornell runs perfectly) which are team oriented offenses. Most run top of the key pick and rolls or some version of the flex offense with cutters. The reason? You have to play in those offenses for more than one season to get a solid flow with them and you have to trust your teammates to make the right play for them to work well.

The best college offenses right now are Duke’s offense (designed by Mike D’Antoni during the USA basketball practices in 2006) and the Dribble Drive Motion offense that Calipari uses. They open up tons of options and create multiple scoring opportunities.

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by fourstick on Mar 22, 2010 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

kentucky has to beat w. virginia

cornell has perhaps two guys that will get there – final four?

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by cardball on Mar 22, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think Cornell has an NBA player on their roster

maybe a 12th man, but none of those guys are getting drafted.

Kentucky will throttle West Virgina because of their athleticism. I hate Calipari, but that Dribble Drive Motion offense is fucking DEATH with a talented PG like Wall running it. Remember when they went to the final on the back of Derrick Rose who never met a free throw (or an SAT) that he liked? Well Wall shoots 75% from the line and is a better perimeter shooter than Rose was. I’ll be shocked if anyone can give them a game for a full 40 minutes.

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by fourstick on Mar 22, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

South Carolina did

It can be done (and I hope it will be!)

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by jd is legend on Mar 22, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yah...

I think if you played that game 100 times, Kentucky would win 95 of fthem though. That was a total fluke and probably the worst game they’ve played all year.

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by fourstick on Mar 22, 2010 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

God, I really wanted to see

Kansas and Kentucky face each other. It’s a shame, they matched up well I think.

In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Mar 22, 2010 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

Kentucky was far and away the better team. But the fact that they lost to a pretty poor South Carolina team shows that they’re not perfect. So I’d wager that any team remaining in the tournament can give them a game for a full 40 minutes, considering that a team that probably every remaining team would beat >50 times out of 100 did just that.

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by jd is legend on Mar 22, 2010 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dunno

Duke can’t defend them.

Ohio State can’t play that pace with only 6 guys who play significant minutes.

West Virginia isn’t athletic enough to stay with Wall or Cousins.

Syracuse might be the only team that could give them a run for their money, mainly because they play great zone defense and Kentucky doesn’t have a lot of good shooters. Wesley Johnson can also score from anywhere on the floor and is a matchup nightmare for Kentucky.

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by fourstick on Mar 22, 2010 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope the stars line up right for upsets then

I won’t be able to make myself watch a Kentucky-Syracuse matchup.

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Mar 22, 2010 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd like a Cornell - UNI matchup

Actually.

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by fourstick on Mar 23, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

GO CORNELL!

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by STLRegalia on Mar 23, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

love cornell

uni has the far better chance to advance, though, even before the injury..

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by cardball on Mar 23, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe

but I want an all Big Ten Elite 8 matchup and have a bracket with Cornell winning it all.

best case scenario for me this year is for Duke to win

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by STLRegalia on Mar 23, 2010 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'd like to root for you

but duke is a deal-breaker.

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by cardball on Mar 23, 2010 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

you don't think cornell's 7-footer will get drafted?

i don’t know, because i haven’t really followed much this year, but in the tourney i’m trying to think of a better legit center for the nba. the guy looks like a young ilgauskas (is the kid foreign?) and is much better than sam i am ham.

after that it’s a long-shot, but i’m most impressed with the pg – without him they’d be dead. he won’t get a shot, but wittman certainly will.

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by cardball on Mar 22, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe in the second round

He doesn’t move very well. I think the kid from Montana has a better shot at getting drafted than he does, and the 7 footer at Marshall is on most experts top 10 lists.

The Cornell kid reminds me of Pittsnogle at WVU a few years ago. He can step away from the basket but he isn’t a great rebounder or shot blocker and he’s too slow to guard guys like Nene at the next level. Those guys nearly always get an NBA contract, but they rarely turn into much. He doesn’t rebound near as well as Ilgauskus and he doesn’t play with his back to the basket very well either.

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by fourstick on Mar 22, 2010 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

he's played well with his back to the basket

in the tourney is all i know. i don’t know the marshall kid, but i meant centers in the tourney. tulsa also has a big man, but they weren’t in the tourney either. and the syracuse kid has been out. the northern iowa lumberjacks are just that. samham will get a shot – could be a scola-type on the upside. but i’m struggling to think of a better center in the tourney.

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by cardball on Mar 22, 2010 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Montana kid is better

and they were in the tourney. The Center from Gonzaga is also pretty good. Sartre I think his name is? I would guess that both of those guys have a better career than the kid from Cornell, but I could be wrong. I guess I just don’t see it.

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by fourstick on Mar 22, 2010 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, i didn't catch the montana kid

so can’t speak to that.

sacre (i think it is) – not sure if he would be an nba center.

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by cardball on Mar 22, 2010 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's only a Soph now...

so he has some time to improve.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Mar 22, 2010 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

montana kid or sacre?

if sacre, i mostly meant he would project as a 4, i think.

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by cardball on Mar 22, 2010 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's 6'10"

so he could play the 5 in the NBA — it helps that he’s physical too.

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by fourstick on Mar 22, 2010 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm hoping Cornell wins

because they’ll be one step closer to making my bracket with them winning it all look really good

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by STLRegalia on Mar 22, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe

but his teams would have suffered for it, and he put winning above all else. It just took a zen-master to get through to him that he couldn’t do everything himself and win consistently.

Again, I don’t know what is so “relaxed” about the defense today. No hand checking? They had that in the ’60’s and 70’s and that didn’t help scoring any. Defensive 3 seconds? That’s less dithering than the old illegal defense rule from the 80’s and 90’s. Look at the scoring averages from the late ’80’s. The overall league scoring was much higher than it is today, even in the early 90’s it was higher. You just remember the Knicks and Pistons being tough, but you don’t remember that the rest of the league didn’t play much defense at all, including the Lakers championship teams from the late ’80’s.

League average PPG: 2006-2009: 100 PPG
League average PPG: 1990-1993: 107 PPG

So, who had the “relaxed defenses”?

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by fourstick on Mar 22, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I did qualify my statement

with grossly misinformed opinion. But what you are saying sounds right with the Pistons and the Knicks.

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by ducttape16 on Mar 22, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jordan's best playoff performances

scoring wise, came against two teams that were awful defensively. Kobe would have carved up the ‘93 Suns and the ’92 Trail Blazers. Even the ’91 Lakers didn’t play much defense, they just outscored everyone with Magic creating shots on offense.

Those two teams are the only teams to make the Finals in the last 20 years with team defenses that weren’t in the top 12 of the league in FG% against. The Suns were 20th in the league in ’93 but got by because they averaged a league leading 110 a game.

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by fourstick on Mar 22, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

the offenses were much better in the celtics-lakers

era, and so that would account for scoring. i’d say because of the pace of the passing that they averaged more shots per game back then, too. there wasn’t all this mind-numbing dribbling and one-on-one isolation that has made it virtually unwatchable.

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by cardball on Mar 22, 2010 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

the shot clock is 11 seconds shorter

so I don’t know how that doesn’t help your ADD more

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by STLRegalia on Mar 22, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

?

The NBA shot clock has always been 24 seconds.

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by fourstick on Mar 22, 2010 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry

I was more replying to one of his earlier comments about NCAA basketball being better for his ADD, since they dribble more in the NBA. (or something like that)

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by STLRegalia on Mar 22, 2010 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ahhh...my bad.

I think there are a lot of college teams that try to take the air out of the ball. Most of them play in the Big 10, lol

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by fourstick on Mar 22, 2010 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

i don't think i said exactly that

but i definitely do not have ADD, nor have i ever claimed to for any reason.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 22, 2010 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

My point is that it seems to me

that there are more guys running around doing stuff in the NCAA than in the NBA. Aka don’t see as much isolation in the NCAA… now would be a good time to put in the disclaimer I’m an Illinois fan thus spend more time watching Big Ten ball than other conferences so take that as you will.

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by ducttape16 on Mar 22, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

i agree totally

no idea how our paths could have seemingly diverged, but i’m not going back to figure it out…i’ll leave that for better, more curious minds.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 22, 2010 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's been a long crazy day...

full of me watching NIT games… 6ly not a good sign for your life.

"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Mar 22, 2010 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was too young to watch basketball regularly during Michael Jordan's prime

though I collected everything relating to the 95-96 team, like every other elementary schooler on earth, but it seems obvious to me just from watching the game now (and watching it in the slow-down nineties) that teams play far more defense now than they did in the eighties.

Which sucks for me, because I’d much rather watch 125-117 games all year long.

by DanUpBaby on Mar 22, 2010 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

Although watching Phoenix and OKC of late has been a pleasure. There’s simply no way to guard those teams on certain nights when everything is clicking.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Mar 22, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Meh.....

He was no Magic Johnson. Or Wilt the Stilt. or Oscar Robertson. And I might be able to lead the league in scoring if I was allowed 12 steps to the rim and had every call go my way too.
:=8P

Big McLargehuge!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Mar 22, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

12 steps?

is that 3 cow steps?

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by STLRegalia on Mar 22, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

?

Wade is a bad 3 point shooter, Carmelo is no better than Jordan was and LeBron has made 3P shooting a focus and still is stuck around/below 35%. In any case, if MJ had really needed to stretch the floor by getting better at 3s: he would have (see ’89, ’93 and 95-97 when he randomly decides to shoot more 3s at a higher %). He picked a part of the game he wanted to get better at and then got better.

I agree that ‘87 Jordan from what I’ve seen wouldn’t put up 37 a game now given the zones, but 90-93 he would have been untouchable. MJ’s killer postup game would have been completely unstoppable now. There isn’t a player in the league who could defend him without being able to manhandle push him like they used to be able to do. I’ve spent way too much time watching ESPN classic just marveling at how much they were allowed to get away with…..and Jordan still beat the life out of everyone. Post-up Jordan would have destroyed the 2010 league and a >40 point a game career year—-when he doesn’t have to worry about getting hacked going down the lane or pushed off the ball—-would be well within sights if he wanted to do that.

Kobe has been smart enough to figure that out and get his own back to basket thing going there, but he’s done it when he’s lost his explosiveness and hops. Jordan was way more athletic to begin with and figured out that game when he was still a physical freak.

Side note: LeBron is an idiot for not developing a back to the basket game. He’s bigger than a large majority of the guys who guard him and he still settles for 3s and pull up jumpers way too much. He has the tools but we’ll see if he puts them to work.

Durant might end up being the best scorer in recent times though, love watching him play.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Mar 22, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

durant seemed a no-brainer number 1 pick at the time

but i guess not.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 22, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you saw Oden play it definitely wasn't

I made it to a couple OSU basketball games that year and he was unbelievable defensively and athletically. He owned the paint.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Mar 22, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

But the Blazers knew the risk they were taking when they selected a 45-year-old #1 in the NBA draft

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Mar 22, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

i only saw them both on tv

but that was a lot. no way do i pick oden over durant. to me there was a wide gap. and i think even if oden wasn’t hurt, this would have held true in the nba. durant’s skill in college far outweighed oden’s size.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 22, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would have

He dominated Florida in that NCAA title game at both ends of the floor, made Al Horford (who’s been a pretty good pro) look average.

Look, there were people comparing him to Hakeem Olajuwon at the time, and he’s one of the best 5 or 6 players ever to play the game. The total package: scorer, rebounder, good from the FT line, blocked shots, great defender, great passer. Oden looked like all of those things and the injuries are probably going to prevent him from ever getting to his true potential.

I love Durant, but you have to hide him defensively. He’s kinda like Dominique Wilkins in that way. Can score on anyone, but you want him guarding the other team’s worst offensive player if possible. Oden had the potential to be a franchise center at both ends of the floor. Those come around about once in a generation.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Mar 22, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Again from my limited knowledge

I heard he has one leg that is like an inch shorter than the other. To me that seems like it may affect you negatively being an NBA center over time.

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by ducttape16 on Mar 22, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

i didn't see any offensive game like hakeem

or potential thereof. i don’t know who was making this comparison, but that’s ridiculous. and defense can be improved, as durant has proven this year. it’s just my opinion, but i ridiculed the pick at the time, and i get to keep doing it, at least for now, and i suspect, forevermore.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 22, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eh

Oden even after microfracture was still pretty good when he was on the court. If Durant’s knees blow out instead of Oden’s it’s probably the same thing in reverse.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Mar 22, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are you kidding?

Dude, EVERYONE was comparing him to Hakeem in ‘84 after than NCAA Final performance. EVERYONE. It was either him or Ewing, and I thought the Ewing comparisons were unjust because Ewing was an awful offensive player in college. We’re not talking ‘94 Hakeem, we’re talking ’84 Hakeem who was raw offensively but had fantastic footwork and touch around the basket while being a dominant defensive center.

If Oden is ever healthy, he has the skills to be a 25/12/4/2 (pts/rebs/assts/blks) guy in the pros. That’s Hakeem-esque.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Mar 22, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

i disagree

not everyone was, because i certainly wasn’t, and several nba people agreed with me, one of whom was a head of player personnel – we had pretty much the same opinion of oden, and were both a little chuckled by durant being passed over. if by everyone you mean announcers or talking heads on tv, i don’t listen to them. the only one i ever listened to was majerus.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 22, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I totally agree

Oden still has great potential. The good thing for him is, his team doesn’t need to depend on him. He can just gel right in and be a great defensive center.

In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Mar 22, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

they have to decide about his contract first

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 22, 2010 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

In retrospect

I’d say Oden’s potential was a better version of Howard. A little taller, somewhat longer and somewhat more refined offensively but never really going to be the dominating 30+ point guy.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Mar 22, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think that's probably his ceiling now

Dwight Howard + a 10 foot jumper.

I don’t think he’ll ever fully recover from all the leg injuries to reach his true potential.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Mar 22, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think they'd be happy with half of howard

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 22, 2010 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

TWSS

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by STLRegalia on Mar 22, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

"good from the FT line"?

Oden shot 62.8% on FTs in his season at OSU and has shot 66.6% (yikes!) on FTS in the NBA. That’s not Shaq-bad, but it ain’t good.

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Mar 22, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

In fairness on the college ones

He was shooting left handed for the first 2/3 of the season.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Mar 22, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

He shot 2/3 of his college free throws

left handed.

Go to the gym and shoot left handed for an hour and see if you make 63%…

He’d be better in the pros, but he’s never healthy enough to work on his game. He shot 75% from the line in high school, FYI.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Mar 22, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wasn't aware of that

But 66.6% in a larger sample size doesn’t exactly inspire confidence for me

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Mar 22, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Indeed, he broke his right wrist

and couldn’t shoot off of it. So he switched to his left. Some scouts say that him breaking his wrist was the best thing that ever happened to his career. It made him able to use both hands.

In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Mar 22, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hakeem shot about 70% for his career

I see no reason why Oden couldn’t shoot at least that or better if he’s fully healthy.

There aren’t too many stud centers that were great foul shooters. Ewing became one but he wasn’t when he came into the league. Shaq, Wilt, and Moses were/are awful.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Mar 22, 2010 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

how soon rik smits is forgotten

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 22, 2010 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mike Tisdale?

Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")

by STLRegalia on Mar 22, 2010 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

yao probably has a decent percentage

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 22, 2010 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess that's where we disagree

I don’t consider shooting 70% being a “great” foul shooter

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Mar 22, 2010 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Would you consider a SS that hit 20 homers to be a

great power hitting SS? You have to adjust for position in the NBA just like you do in the MLB. Most centers don’t shoot well from the stripe, so if you can shoot 70%, that’s pretty good for your position.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Mar 22, 2010 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good point

I dunno, I guess 70% would be on the right side of the bell curve for centers for me, but I’m not sold on the word “great” to describe it. Yao Ming has shot 83.2% from the stripe for his career. If Oden is great, what does that make Yao?

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Mar 22, 2010 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's not a bust yet

but I do agree with you, his potential is not as high as it once was. The good news is, the Blazers don’t necessarily need a dominant offensive Center, they already have Aldridge and Roy to score for them. They just need basically a younger version of Marcus Camby (Kind of funny to me that they acquired him). A guy that can block shots, be a defensive presence in the paint, etc.

But yes, Durant is a bad defender. I personally hate the people that claim Durant should have gone over Oden just because he scores more.

In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Mar 22, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bah you beat me to it...

stupid doing other things than this…

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by ducttape16 on Mar 22, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well played sir

Well played….

In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Mar 22, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

i guess you personally hate me then

but i take durant all day. and he has improved in every facet of the game, so it’s not just scoring at this point.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 22, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ahhh, bit of an exaggeration.

But he’s redundant for Portland is what I mean. They needed a dominant defensive center. Where does Durant get his points if they have Aldridge and Roy. There’s only so many shots to go around.

I would still take Oden everyday, it’s just a tragedy that he ended up the way he did. If he was healthy this year (and maybe the rest of the team too), Portland is probably a 2 seed right now.

In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Mar 22, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmmmm...
Side note: LeBron is an idiot for not developing a back to the basket game. He’s bigger than a large majority of the guys who guard him and he still settles for 3s and pull up jumpers way too much. He has the tools but we’ll see if he puts them to work.

Maybe — I think he would be far more effective playing PG for Mike D’Antoni. He’s probably as good a passer as Nash is, only nobody recognizes it, and he’s an effective scorer from 17 feet on in. If he was taking fewer pull-up threes than his percentage would improve quite a bit, but in Cleveland he has to handle the ball all the time and nobody else on their team can get their own shot, save for Shaq on the block.

Honestly, I think the “Jordan Rules” were actually GOOD for Jordan in the sense that he was bound and determined to outwork everyone else. The physical play allowed him to attack the basket with regularity, get to the foul line, and get tough baskets in traffic, while the defensive rules of the time allowed the Bulls to spread things out so that nobody could play offside help in the lane area. Instead of relying on his jump shot, which wasn’t a consistent weapon until after his first retirement when he dedicated himself to becoming a better shooter from range, he was able to shoot 15 footers and attack the basket, the same way that LeBron does now. But watch how LeBron struggles against teams that play good team defense, like San Antonio. Even without Bruce Bowen they can frustrate him.

Jordan never would have been a consistently good shooter from distance. His flat jump shot pretty well prevented that. He never took more than 300 threes in a season
(he only came close once) because he knew that this was his weakness, so he developed a post game so that defenders wouldn’t be able to take advantage of it. He knew his weakness and structured his game to avoid having to use it.

Durant has a chance to be the best scorer in the history of the game, imo. He can kill you in a ton of different ways. He’s got 2-4 inches on every other small forward and can kill you from three to prevent you from guarding him with power forwards. I think he’s the only guy in the league right now who has the ability to put up a 50-40-90 season in the near future and if he does, there’s an outside chance that he averages 35 or 36 a night doing it. He’s currently leading the league in FT’s made this season and shot 42% from three last year and he’s only 21 years old.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Mar 22, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

mcgrady can hit threes nicely with a flat shot

but i agree with your point – the more arc, the more clearance.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 22, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed on all but Jordan's shot

If the man wanted to do something on the basketball court he made himself do it.

LeBron as a D’Antoni PG would be fun, I like it when they put him at #4 and go small too. If LeBron ever gets with a mobile big man who can still handle defensive end it’s lights out.

Durant’s peak should be fun.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Mar 22, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think LeBron + Bosh this summer

would be an unstoppable combo, especially if both of them ended up on the Knicks AND they were able to keep David Lee somehow.

You’d start LeBron – Gallinari – Lee – Bosh – FA Shooter/Giddens

Then have Wilson Chandler coming off of the bench along with whatever two veterans want to follow LeBron to the Big Apple, since the Knicks will have two mid-levels to use.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Mar 22, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

i don't know why he'd go to ny

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 22, 2010 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nike

That’s why.

I think Nike may have a lot to do with where he ends up. He wants to be a world dominating media figure. The only places he can do that AND make sense would be NY and Chicago, and Chicago can’t add two max deals and have a coach who’s awful. In NY, he plays for D’Antoni, in who’s offense he might actually be able to average a triple double playing in due to the number of shots that get hoisted, and he’ll be able to bring someone like Bosh along with him.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Mar 22, 2010 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

i don't know how he could be bigger in ny

than in cleveland. just living and playing there isn’t making him more famous. madison avenue travels, and as a player and competitor, i’d think he’d want to try to win championships with his team rather than do one of these malone-end-of-career moves.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 22, 2010 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

He could do more marketing if he was based there

and there would be more opportunities to market him if he played in the biggest media market there is.

And the Knicks haven’t won a championship in 30 years. He’d be the biggest thing in town and maybe in NY sports history if he delivered a title there.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Mar 22, 2010 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

including baseball history?

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 22, 2010 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

more potential for championships in NY

..due to larger budget to add additional players. I suspect in Cleveland, the Cavs are always going to be on the edge of being able to field a championship level team.

youneverknow

by floodOfLove on Mar 23, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Especially

if they are paying him a max contract.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Mar 23, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Imagine if he hadn't retired twice

How many rings would the Bulls have?

I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!

by First mammal to wear pants on Mar 22, 2010 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

The average career is under six years long if I recall.

No idea of the age.

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"I like the one about the alienated character who finds the socially unacceptable way of coping with modernity."

by hazel on Mar 22, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

well baseball's physical peak is at 27

take that for what it’s worth.

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Mar 22, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've been holding on to this one for awhile

But in honor of Spring Training, I have gotten into the best shape of my life at 22.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Mar 22, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

ya...18 then I turned to the drink

drunken coma til 22, then best shape of my life :)

then got into a boring relationship, yada yada yada, now I’m a party gurl that can’t lay off wheat beer.

now worst shape of my life….to the point I missed my roller derby franchise opener where we trounced Indy, 125-17. Woulda been fun bullying those guys :-(

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Mar 22, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'm physically stronger and healthier than I've ever been

and 29 on Tuesday. Still, I have been hitting the gym, doing more running, and playing more volleyball in the last year than ever before…

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Mar 22, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I try to stay over 200

to make it fair for the rest of the rec league softball players

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by STLRegalia on Mar 22, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

dgoold
The legend continues. Outfielder Amaury Cazana was 2-for-4 with an RBI.

link

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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 11:03 AM EDT reply actions  

And Curt Smith continues to rock.

Is it possible Amaury has taken him under his wing?

Hey Ump!

by paposse on Mar 22, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

i don't think a pujols deal gets done

until we know how much it takes to lock up amaury – priorities.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 22, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I tried to draft Amaury in an auction keeper league

he wasn’t to be found

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by STLRegalia on Mar 22, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think in fantasy he goes by the name manny ramirez

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 22, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Marrissa Tomei

but she doesn’t have your number.

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Mar 22, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

If they ever would win a spring game on TV in 2010

then I would have a collection of them worthy of hooking up HL. They’re 0-for-3 in games available on DirecTV.

by Michael_68_1999 on Mar 22, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm getting it

so I’m sure we can work out a deal or something.

by Michael_68_1999 on Mar 22, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

If you or someone can tell me

how to rip off of my DVR, I could help you out.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Mar 22, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Does you DVR have a USB port?

Dish Network does…you can dump onto an external HD.

Not sure what file format they are when you dump them, as I’ve not tried yet.

If you see a guy open the car door for his girlfriend, either the car is new or the girlfriend is.

by cardzfanbub on Mar 22, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's where the problems start......

I haven’t had any luck finding a way to convert the file format.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Mar 22, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thank GOB Albert isn't a Scott Boras client

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Mar 22, 2010 11:39 AM EDT reply actions  

+10000004

Lucky for us, the Brewers have to deal with him and Fielder. Mwahahaha

In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Mar 22, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cardinals Classics replaying the 15 innings

currently

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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 12:01 PM EDT reply actions  

FSM, I mean.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

the production values are terrible

but I can still see how shiny Blake Hawksworth’s arms were.

what did he put on it? like a keg of oil?

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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha, boom

I got Boog’s FSM spot. sweet.

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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

a-maz-ing

the video problems that were there in the first airing weren’t because of the weather.

it’s in the MASTER. same blip I saw last time. good job, FSM.

I KNOW YOU CAN HEAR ME, GUYS IN THE TRUCK.

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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

is it just me

or do people go ga-ga over Hawksworth for just that game.
Still not impressed with Hawksworth.

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

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by mattyfrommo on Mar 22, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

on VEB, I think it was that DanUp liked him

then he got a great nickname.

this is why Allen Craig should have been named Rocky.

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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

that very, very clever w the rocky reference.

the EYE-talian stallion.

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Mar 22, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Off topic

I’m looking for one more fantasy baseball player. Anyone interested? I can send and invite to your e-mail. I’ve run this league for several years now and I seem to have a couple of new people every year. It’s not ultra competitive and it’s mixed league. I get rid of people each year who stopped paying attention, so I always have a good group of baseball fans who are paying attention. And, yes it’s all Cards fans..

by Carps on Mar 22, 2010 12:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Carps

send me an email…i’m in.

rdf922at aol dot com

by RDF922 on Mar 22, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

baseball!
BJRains Tarp is off the field, players stretching…..we will have baseball today from Jupiter.

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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 12:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Rick Horton on FSM

I know which one’s getting muted…

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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Red brings the lineup card vs Red Sox

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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

aaaannnnd Matt Holliday is not playing.

Jon Jay is in

meanwhile game on vs. stros

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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh okay, he's DHing

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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

MH is the DH? or JJ?

"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR

by IHeartBoog on Mar 22, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am however waiting until they actually get to bat

because Shannon is describing this … they’ve got their wires crossed…

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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

really poor video quality, too.

c’mon people, its 2010.

"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR

by IHeartBoog on Mar 22, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's a better description.

And we’re using shitty binoculars.

STAB STAB STAB

by spants on Mar 22, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

lying

so… post nutshot?

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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

girls have those?

"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."

by StLHugo on Mar 22, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's a metaphor

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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

is this the Red Sox game?

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by mattyfrommo on Mar 22, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Astros.

The camera keeps shaking, too.

STAB STAB STAB

by spants on Mar 22, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes it does

are both games televised?

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by mattyfrommo on Mar 22, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

shot past Solano; be taller!

meanwhile Greene Tea seems to have gotten on base.

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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 1:07 PM EDT reply actions  

and another. Red Sox score

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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol double play

booing the out at first

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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Penny does not seem to have recorded a strike out.

contact on all his pitches.

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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey guys I need help with depth charts

What’s the percentage of playing time at 3B that Freese will probably get?

by vivaelpujols on Mar 22, 2010 1:08 PM EDT reply actions  

In St. Louis or Memphis?

/burn
//freezer burn

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Mar 22, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions   3 recs

1%

do i win the showcase?

by FunkeeC on Mar 22, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Cool, you get a pair of lamps.

In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
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by Taskmaster on Mar 22, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

40

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by mattyfrommo on Mar 22, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

St Louis winning 2-0

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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 1:11 PM EDT reply actions  

LOL

at this comment right below Evilfrog’s.

STAB STAB STAB

by spants on Mar 22, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was attempting my little slice of evil.

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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

bwahaha. that'd be 'stros.

anyway, that was a double by Ludwick. Yadi up.
vs. Wandddyyy.

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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 1:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Sox rob Skippy.

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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 1:14 PM EDT reply actions  

The camera work is lacking

but they must have the microphone built into the plate for the Cards-Astros game

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by mattyfrommo on Mar 22, 2010 1:14 PM EDT reply actions  

let us know if there's any swearin'

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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

three run homer for David Freese vs stros

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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 1:15 PM EDT reply actions  

And the astros' unis/hats are even uglier this year

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by mattyfrommo on Mar 22, 2010 1:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Holliday at bat vs Sox

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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 1:15 PM EDT reply actions  

he gets shark music too

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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's not similar to Carp's start, Ricky Horton!

The Cardinals have had far better contact.

STAB STAB STAB

by spants on Mar 22, 2010 1:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Well SOB

things would be much better for me if Stav would have signed with the Astros when they drafted him

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by mattyfrommo on Mar 22, 2010 1:17 PM EDT reply actions  

in the carnival park, he'd have a million homers

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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

(that's the math of the carnie)

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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

i has one million teeth.

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Mar 22, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's Joe Mather, everyone

vs Stros

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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 1:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Wearing 22

Which looks strange to me.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Mar 22, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Joe Mather nearly takes out the Stros pen!

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

have any of Pawtucket *not* made contact on Penny?

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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 1:19 PM EDT reply actions  

a bit better, I guess. all fly outs.

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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's Kyle Lohse!

long one to LF, nearly guns down Towles at second.

I can’t tell if Lopez was just not trying.

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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 1:24 PM EDT reply actions  

The throw bounced. He did his best with it.

And Towles’ giant noggin hit his knee.

STAB STAB STAB

by spants on Mar 22, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, I was going to mention his big head

then they showed a bizarre angle and I doubted my first glance

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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Funny

I thought “oh jeez someone will probably get on Lopez for not tackling Towles to make the tag.” What more could he have done?

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Mar 22, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

see above

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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

is he reading his bat?

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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 1:27 PM EDT reply actions  

ow. just now.

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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh, oh DON'T SHOW THAT IN SLOW MOTION

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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

on the other hand, that's going to be somebody's screenshot

pretty soon…

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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

no kidding.

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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

No matter what, eat snack cake."

fixed

In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Mar 22, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gotay's weird hop goes for someone's head?

or something. a minute ago they were talking about mustard in one’s pants.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 1:30 PM EDT reply actions  

big hit for Kyle Lohse!

I mean, he hit it.
vs stros

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 1:34 PM EDT reply actions  

I looked away

was that ‘stros fail?
because that looked like it must’ve been special.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

never mind

anyway, Lopex steals, high throw from the catcher and/or not much ducking
man on second, 2 outs

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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

MLB.tv is not working for the Astros game

Figures, when the Cards put a five spot on the hated Wandyman in the first inning.

I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...

by mojowo11 on Mar 22, 2010 1:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Woot, feed is back

I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...

by mojowo11 on Mar 22, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

sounds like a Penny K

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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 1:36 PM EDT reply actions  

I AM CENTIQUID

HEAR ME ROAR!

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Mar 22, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

he's settling, but still leaving stuff up

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

that was his MO for most of his unhappy time in Boston last year

still, I’m pretty optimistic Dunc can sort that out. I almost wonder if he’s over-throwing and trying to overpower hitters too much.

If only there was some sort of electronic analysis of his pitch type and placement that we could somehow apply and someone could publish on this blog to look into that possibility…

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Mar 22, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I think that is unpossible

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by mattyfrommo on Mar 22, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

RELAESE THE

FAT SKINNY BEAKER!

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Mar 22, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

3-0 Sox

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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 1:41 PM EDT reply actions  

5-2 Stl v Houston

a home run

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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 1:43 PM EDT reply actions  

twas Pedro Feliz

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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

4-0 sox

infield signal off of penny

by Evilfrog on Mar 22, 2010 1:43 PM EDT reply actions  

and ball hits Penny's foot

no play for Skip

can someone tutor Penny in the fine art of the kick save?

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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 1:44 PM EDT reply actions  

bases loaded

Penny’s kind of stinkin’.

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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

5-3 stl vs houston

into CDunc territory

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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 1:48 PM EDT reply actions  

LaRue calls time in the Boston game

ya think, Jason.

finally a ball to Boog, force out by Skip. geez.

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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 1:48 PM EDT reply actions  

i feel like some popcorn.

Ludwick up vs Houston.
Solano up vs Boston.

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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 1:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Solano lucks out vs. Hall

E off the glove

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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Another dubble for Doublewick

He looks mighty fine this ST.

I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...

by mojowo11 on Mar 22, 2010 1:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Dubblewick?

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by mattyfrommo on Mar 22, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Double your pleasure, double your-wick

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Mar 22, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Schumaker hits a double to right field! Ludwick hits a double to left field!

SIMULTANEOUS

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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 1:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Boog sac flies, Solano scores, Skip is safe at third vs Sox

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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 1:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Announcers in the Astros game don't know why Pujols isn't playing

Press box fail.

I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...

by mojowo11 on Mar 22, 2010 1:54 PM EDT reply actions  

well it was Horton who said that

so it’s understandable

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by mattyfrommo on Mar 22, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Holliday.... really big bounce, apparently.

RBI double vs Sox

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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 1:55 PM EDT reply actions  

meanwhile Yadi was battling Wandy. had some good contact.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

odds that tony la russa completes a sextuple switch by swapping players from one game to the next?

3-1?

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Mar 22, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

wow, I heard that. shot to right by Colby (Sox)

HAHAHAA SIMULTANEOUS
Ludwick stop-sign at third vs stros
Holliday stopped, then sent vs Sox

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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 1:57 PM EDT reply actions  

that was Freese vs Stros with a shot to right

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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Colby steals from Sox. ball hits him, safe

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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 1:58 PM EDT reply actions  

LaRuuuuueeeee

RBI double into the no duncs land vs Sox

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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

vs Stros, we have men first and third, Stav batting with 1 out

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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 1:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Stav strikes out

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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

vs Sox, Pettini is third base coach, Dave Duncan is in fact there.

in Jupiter. not Seattle.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 2:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Who's managing if not Joe P?

Jose?

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Mar 22, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Joe Mather vs Wandy 2 out, 2 men on

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 2:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Wandy throws at his feet, advance to second

with 2 strikes

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

meanwhile LaRue advanced to third as pitcher handles it at first, with a little dance.

vs Sox

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

6-3 out.

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Mar 22, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

is this bluebell commercial the worst commercial ever? the producer of hee-haw thinks it's a little kitschy.

god, is this what living in houston is like?

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Mar 22, 2010 2:03 PM EDT reply actions  

My friend lived in Houston for a summer

And based on what he told me, no, that’s not what living in Houston is like. It’s worse.

I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...

by mojowo11 on Mar 22, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

no....

see Avocados, Hass.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Mar 22, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

both innings now over

5-4 Red Sox
5-3 St. Louis and Houston

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 2:04 PM EDT reply actions  

5-4 Redsox

Cardinals bat around and close the gap.

by Evilfrog on Mar 22, 2010 2:04 PM EDT reply actions  

NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! not lohse!!!

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Mar 22, 2010 2:05 PM EDT reply actions  

lohse has some sort of magnet in him that attracts hard-hit line drives.

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Mar 22, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

damn it bubbles.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

holy sheeet, Lohse

ball hit him on the cheek

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

batted ball.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

line drive to the ass cheek.

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Mar 22, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lopez has crazy-stupid throw to first vs Stros

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 2:09 PM EDT reply actions  

or maybe it was just a crazy throw

I can’t figure this camera work

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

vs Sox, LaRue firing to first, but rule HPB

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 2:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Penny continues to stink

2-RBI double by Tug Hulett

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 2:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Does this sound like a good idea for a post?

Who else would like to see a leader board for all time recs? I would be curious to see which person has the most recs of all time

by FlimtotheFlam on Mar 22, 2010 2:15 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm for it

This will only lead to increased rec whoring, but whatever.

I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...

by mojowo11 on Mar 22, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I find some of my most reced comments

Have a few flags mixed in also. If you are not offending someone than it is probably not that funny.

by FlimtotheFlam on Mar 22, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is this something only mods can see?

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Mar 22, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ya

I’m not sure why they don’t add it to each users profile. Maybe they don’t want to create a whoring fest. I can understand not letting every user see WHO gave them a rec or flag but why you can’t see just the #s is unknown to me. The only thing I can suggest is that you make a request with the SBN developers for it.

Think; It's not illegal yet.

by azruavatar on Mar 22, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have had a few conversations with the developers

They are actually pretty good about getting back to you about problems. Unfortunately they have not fixed any of my problems yet.

by FlimtotheFlam on Mar 22, 2010 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

The jumping comment screen is a pain......

Game threads are gonna suck.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Mar 22, 2010 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

My screen never does more than a little blip.

Comment scrolling is great for me.

Think; It's not illegal yet.

by azruavatar on Mar 22, 2010 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mine usually does the blip.

But it’s also gone BSI before.

STAB STAB STAB

by spants on Mar 22, 2010 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

ya, it's usually not too bad,

but I’ve been typing a reply and just had it completely throw me out of the box and scroll all over the place.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Mar 22, 2010 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's the worst because you have to figure out where you

are on the page without accidentally making your comment box disappear.

STAB STAB STAB

by spants on Mar 22, 2010 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

or posting.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Mar 22, 2010 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's what is really annoying

especially those rare times when I have a couple paragragh long comment to post, and it gets zapped. and then it gets zapped again.

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Mar 22, 2010 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am pretty sure I have flagged everyone

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Mar 22, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I only flag myself

Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")

by STLRegalia on Mar 22, 2010 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

i should flag you for saying that.

"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR

by IHeartBoog on Mar 22, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's much better than what my mind wanted to say

but my fingers wouldn’t let me type

Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")

by STLRegalia on Mar 22, 2010 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

0, 230

Think; It's not illegal yet.

by azruavatar on Mar 22, 2010 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

awesome.

"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR

by IHeartBoog on Mar 22, 2010 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

that is a 16.4% rec rate!

what do I win?

"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR

by IHeartBoog on Mar 22, 2010 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

i wanna know gdm's recs and rate

with close to 30,000 comments, i’d think at least 1000 of them have been rec’d

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Mar 22, 2010 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

2, 1279

Think; It's not illegal yet.

by azruavatar on Mar 22, 2010 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

there's no disctinction by comment or fanposts

he has 2 inappropriate flags and 1279 recs.

Think; It's not illegal yet.

by azruavatar on Mar 22, 2010 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think I'm wording myself properly.

Lets say gdm has 1279 comments which have all been rec’d one time. Is that recorded the same as gdm having 1279 comments which have all been rec’d twice? Or does the latter scenario give him 2558 recs?

Also, why do I care?

Please show your work.

by Mister Eff on Mar 22, 2010 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's 1279 individual recs

I have no idea how many different comments that comes from.

It’s the latter scenario you are describing.

Think; It's not illegal yet.

by azruavatar on Mar 22, 2010 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

If gdm has 1279 comments rec'd twice

he’d have 2558 recs.

Think; It's not illegal yet.

by azruavatar on Mar 22, 2010 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

So he has 1279 recs

and that is broken up among however many comments and fanposts, right?

STAB STAB STAB

by spants on Mar 22, 2010 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

correct

Think; It's not illegal yet.

by azruavatar on Mar 22, 2010 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

HFS

®

Hope is the worst of all evils, for it prolongs the torment of man

by gdm426 on Mar 23, 2010 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

so far it looks like you are second

to the 2 incarnations (or whatever) of Mr Eff

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Mar 23, 2010 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

second is still the first loser though right?

Hope is the worst of all evils, for it prolongs the torment of man

by gdm426 on Mar 23, 2010 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

well it took him two profiles

HE’S A CHEATER!

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Mar 23, 2010 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

so i'm the ken griffey jr of VEB

since all my rec’s are pure

Hope is the worst of all evils, for it prolongs the torment of man

by gdm426 on Mar 23, 2010 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

only 2 flags? wow

Hope is the worst of all evils, for it prolongs the torment of man

by gdm426 on Mar 23, 2010 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

wha???, I have more flags than gdm(i suck).

I am the Batman .
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.

by CodyG on Mar 23, 2010 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

well what are the average recs per comment

who leads this?
from what I know gdm is 4.3%
my average is 4.3%(weird)
RiverRat’s is 8.0%
Chitown’s is 0.9%
mattymo’s is 2.47%
spants 5.5%

I am the Batman .
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.

by CodyG on Mar 23, 2010 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

well it's more of a percentage of recs/comments

I am the Batman .
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.

by CodyG on Mar 23, 2010 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

honestly, i can see this taking a bad turn

i don’t try to get rec’s or flags. it they happen they happen, if they don’t, they don’t. if you come on here & try to get rec’s, then you’re not going to be a very happy poster

Hope is the worst of all evils, for it prolongs the torment of man

by gdm426 on Mar 23, 2010 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions   3 recs

Rec'd.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥

by ClemsonGirl on Mar 23, 2010 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

agreed

I am the Batman .
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.

by CodyG on Mar 23, 2010 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Is my math off??

610 recs/3515ish comments is approx 17.4%

Note: Above comment may contain gratuitous amounts of sarcasm.

BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS

by vexedtechie on Mar 23, 2010 3:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

I average about one rec given out

for every 3 comments I make.

so most of you can thank me for havin so many recs

/pats back

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Mar 23, 2010 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Oh shit

I come in at a cool 8.32%! Something must be wrong

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Mar 23, 2010 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

0, 228

Think; It's not illegal yet.

by azruavatar on Mar 22, 2010 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I posted in the penny thread.

Shockingly you have 0.

Think; It's not illegal yet.

by azruavatar on Mar 22, 2010 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

cursing! you are flagged, sir.

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Mar 22, 2010 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

what abou me!

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Mar 22, 2010 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

4, 320

Think; It's not illegal yet.

by azruavatar on Mar 22, 2010 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

As a note --

I’m just counting the inappropriate flags. There are some automate spam flags for any post with +5 links (Yadi2S has like 2 dozen of these) and the troll flags are usually inane.

Think; It's not illegal yet.

by azruavatar on Mar 22, 2010 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

How many troll flags for me

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Mar 22, 2010 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

0

Think; It's not illegal yet.

by azruavatar on Mar 22, 2010 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Aw

Nobody ever thought I was a troll

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Mar 22, 2010 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

yadi2's flags just crack me up

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 22, 2010 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

sweet

i offend people less than 2% as often as i please them

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Mar 22, 2010 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

As with fortune cookies

this comment is better if you append the phrase “in bed”.

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Mar 23, 2010 7:22 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

but that would make this a false statement

Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.

by TomCat009 on Mar 23, 2010 7:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

if we're talking articles?

I do. or rather, the glossary does.

and you can check the fanpost page for that. http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/fanposts/popular/all_time

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

you could always disqualify the glossary.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

yo, i'm real happy for you and ima let you finish, fritz,

but the glossary was the greatest fanpost of all time! of ALL TIME!

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Mar 22, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Apparently my Mr Redbird account was more popular

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Mar 22, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

from West Virginia

Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.

by TomCat009 on Mar 23, 2010 7:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

don't you have to do it by %

considering time “served”
and total comments

by d-dee on Mar 22, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Make it a recs-per-post.

That way we can see the quality of our output

Note: Above comment may contain gratuitous amounts of sarcasm.

BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS

by vexedtechie on Mar 22, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

should there be two categories

one for the written word, and one for the visual?

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 22, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Comments are comments.

Posts are posts.

STAB STAB STAB

by spants on Mar 22, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

recs per comment, then...

…jeesh

Note: Above comment may contain gratuitous amounts of sarcasm.

BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS

by vexedtechie on Mar 22, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Overrall recs, too.

I want to know who the Pete Rose of recs is.

by Mister Eff on Mar 22, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

The most recs seem to be for pics.

So I bet vexed wins that, too.

STAB STAB STAB

by spants on Mar 22, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry Flim.

Pics get double-digit recs on a routine basis. Witty one-liners quite often don’t even go green. Which is a damn shame, people. A DAMN SHAME.

STAB STAB STAB

by spants on Mar 22, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions   3 recs

Rec'd

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Mar 22, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

some of us can't find the words to say what a pic says

we shouldn’t be punished for that

Hope is the worst of all evils, for it prolongs the torment of man

by gdm426 on Mar 23, 2010 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

they can be resized, though

most VEB’ers aren’t blind
and if they are, they’re using text readers, and without alt-tags it’s lost on them anyway

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 23, 2010 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Damn, you're on to my grand scheme of winning the Internet.

Note: Above comment may contain gratuitous amounts of sarcasm.

BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS

by vexedtechie on Mar 22, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Have there been any recs in this post yet?

Other than the one I gave DanUp just now for the post itself? (Brown-noser).

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Mar 22, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I rec all the time.

If something is funny, I rec it. If something is really funny, I rec it and I’m vocal about it.

STAB STAB STAB

by spants on Mar 22, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

me too

if i laugh, i rec, even if i’m the only one
it’s not like you can only rec so many times and you have to ration it
i’m not even in the contest but i’ll give credit where credit is due

by d-dee on Mar 22, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

You being vocal about something???

Never

"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Mar 22, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dang...I was flagged?

Boooo.

Note: Above comment may contain gratuitous amounts of sarcasm.

BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS

by vexedtechie on Mar 22, 2010 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

so was I

I know not why, can’t correct it

"If you don't have outstanding relief pitching, you might as well piss on the fire and call the boggs." -WH

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 22, 2010 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

So not rec'ing this.

I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...

by mojowo11 on Mar 22, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

for the record

i dont write the limericks for the recs.

"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR

by IHeartBoog on Mar 22, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's not about the money

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 22, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

i did my dick ankiel rhyme thing for the love of the rhyme

i was genuinely shocked & honored it turned green

Hope is the worst of all evils, for it prolongs the torment of man

by gdm426 on Mar 23, 2010 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

somewhat related

we should have a post where we vote on comment of the year. There have been way too many that have been ricockulous and they need recognition.
My favorite is Monk’s about the interrobang

Some people have their own bowling ball and their own bowling shoes and no friends.
You must be the change you wish to see in the world.

by jacksonian on Mar 22, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha, then someone ELSE

review the thousands of comments made all year.

I’ve picked through six months of them and I’m unlikely to do that again.

if there’s no review, it would be as useless as an MVP vote.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

...

tom s.‘s response to this comment is still probably my favorite comment ever on VEB. Paulspike’s editing of vexed’s photo in this thread may be my favorite pic.

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Mar 22, 2010 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

tom's comment about the naughty bits

is still my all time favorite VEB comment

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Mar 22, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

that was a good, well-argued thread

sorry i missed it the first time around

I'm not a player, I just mouth-breathe a lot

by all4tookie on Mar 22, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I keep that thread bookmarked

it has some great stuff in it

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Mar 22, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can't even remember the interrobang quote! What was that in relation to?

I think tom s and mattybobo (occasionally jd) might be the posters I’ve most rec’d for amusing comments. The Morrissey one above was a favourite of mine, too, JD.

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Mar 23, 2010 7:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

cant believe i didnt rec it

http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2009/11/16/1158754/wainwright-for-carpenter-carpenter#25739870

Some people have their own bowling ball and their own bowling shoes and no friends.
You must be the change you wish to see in the world.

by jacksonian on Mar 23, 2010 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

We don't see a leaderboard.

just the numbers for individuals.

Think; It's not illegal yet.

by azruavatar on Mar 22, 2010 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

how many flags will it take to be the leader?

Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")

by STLRegalia on Mar 22, 2010 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

one less.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Mar 22, 2010 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

7-4 Redsox

Penny has given up 10 hits.

by Evilfrog on Mar 22, 2010 2:15 PM EDT reply actions  

maybe it wasn't such a good idea to sign penny

hmmm

"If you don't have outstanding relief pitching, you might as well piss on the fire and call the boggs." -WH

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 22, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, it's just Pawtucket.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not again welleme...excuse me...penny

In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Mar 22, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Chief Justice slams into side wall with awesome catch vs Sox

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 2:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Greene easily steals second, advances to third on throw

He was safe by nineteen miles at second. His SB skillz are intriiiiguing.

I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...

by mojowo11 on Mar 22, 2010 2:17 PM EDT reply actions  

who are the opposing catchers in these games

that suddenly we’re running like a whitey team?

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 22, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Towles is catching for Houston

I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...

by mojowo11 on Mar 22, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dude's to stoned to throw the ball.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Mar 22, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

You're a towel.

In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Mar 22, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wanna get high?

"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Mar 22, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're the worst character EVAR!

"They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time."

by CardHawk on Mar 22, 2010 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Part of it may be that Tyler Greene is an amazing basestealer

have a look at his fangraphs page – his SB/CS ratios in the high minors are astonishing. He may otherwise be pretty sucky but in a full season he could easily add half a win with his baserunning.

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Mar 23, 2010 7:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

I really hope Dave Duncan

is watching the Red Sox game. Penny has been hammered… I thought he said it was time for results!

I want the Walrus back...

by Paulspike on Mar 22, 2010 2:21 PM EDT reply actions  

I believe he's present.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

technically, getting shelled IS a result.

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Mar 22, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

smart ass

"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."

by BVHeck on Mar 22, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

everybody has to have a role in life.

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Mar 22, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Skip hits it off second baseman vs Sox

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 2:25 PM EDT reply actions  

lucky fan gets a Boog souvenir

bows, hands it to a kid.
yeah, it’s a Red Sox fan

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 2:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Boog has a long foul

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 2:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Josh Kinney's Shoulder

I just read that Josh Kinney is having shoulder problems. He’s a victim of the Inverted W in his arm action…

His Inverted W isn’t as bad as Mark Prior’s, but is pretty bad and screws up his timing.

For further reading…

- Analysis of Josh Kinney’s Pitching Mechanics

by thepainguy on Mar 22, 2010 2:28 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Sucks for him.

But I’m glad he’s been optioned.

STAB STAB STAB

by spants on Mar 22, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Correlation,

plus another C word.

"What's your favorite Chuck Palahniuk book?"

"I like the one about the alienated character who finds the socially unacceptable way of coping with modernity."

by hazel on Mar 22, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was personally thinking cornhole...

I was WAY off.

"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Mar 22, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

(superfluous subject line)

I'm not a player, I just mouth-breathe a lot

by all4tookie on Mar 22, 2010 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seriously,

XKCD is just so clever and funny on a consistent basis it amazes me.

Think; It's not illegal yet.

by azruavatar on Mar 22, 2010 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do you read AmazingSuperPowers as well?

I think its just as good

I'm not a player, I just mouth-breathe a lot

by all4tookie on Mar 22, 2010 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

that place is awesome

thanks for that link

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Mar 22, 2010 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

No problem...make sure you read the "secret comic" on everyone too...

on the outside of the comic on the top right hand corner a question mark will appear…click it

I'm not a player, I just mouth-breathe a lot

by all4tookie on Mar 22, 2010 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

that's so great

you get a rec

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Mar 22, 2010 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's funny

and there’s a lot of funny webcomics out there but I guess I like that XKCD requires readers to be smart for a lot of the comics.

Basically, I’m elitist.

Think; It's not illegal yet.

by azruavatar on Mar 22, 2010 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

SMBC!

Yes!

"What's your favorite Chuck Palahniuk book?"

"I like the one about the alienated character who finds the socially unacceptable way of coping with modernity."

by hazel on Mar 22, 2010 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

and what about cyanide and happiness?

I am the Batman .
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.

by CodyG on Mar 22, 2010 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

of course you are

and

SMBC huh? Looks like I won’t get much accomplished for the next hour or so

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Mar 22, 2010 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

SMBC-theater.com too.

This one is my favorite.

Comedy lovers need to click that link!

STAB STAB STAB

by spants on Mar 22, 2010 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

And then of course there's the PBF

This is probably my fave but there’s just so many!

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Mar 22, 2010 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

damn you people

it’s a good thing I am on vacation this week

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Mar 22, 2010 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

You people?

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Mar 22, 2010 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

is this what you were trying to do?

what do you mean you people?

Hope is the worst of all evils, for it prolongs the torment of man

by gdm426 on Mar 23, 2010 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nah, I was going for

this

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Mar 23, 2010 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Mattyfrommo

does not just hate one group of people, he is an all out misanthropic bastard

but I love all you people here

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Mar 23, 2010 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

except cody, no one loves cody

Hope is the worst of all evils, for it prolongs the torment of man

by gdm426 on Mar 23, 2010 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

damn when did cody hate become a meme?

I am the Batman .
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.

by CodyG on Mar 23, 2010 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

or are you guys just uber 6 about hating me?

I am the Batman .
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.

by CodyG on Mar 23, 2010 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

wouldn't you like to know

Hope is the worst of all evils, for it prolongs the torment of man

by gdm426 on Mar 23, 2010 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

oh for fucks sake

Hope is the worst of all evils, for it prolongs the torment of man

by gdm426 on Mar 23, 2010 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think gdm is serious.

And remember he uses the royal we so he may or may not be speaking for all of us.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
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Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥

by ClemsonGirl on Mar 23, 2010 8:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

You are an intricate and valuable addition to VEB

,but we are going to need you to move your desk into the basement

Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.

by TomCat009 on Mar 23, 2010 8:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

my stapler stays with me.

I am the Batman .
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.

by CodyG on Mar 23, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why the hell

is his desk not in the basement in the first place?

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Mar 23, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I believe that on this board

space in the basement is at a premium

Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.

by TomCat009 on Mar 23, 2010 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

we've got that one too

Hope is the worst of all evils, for it prolongs the torment of man

by gdm426 on Mar 23, 2010 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

stros' Gervacio is weird.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 2:32 PM EDT reply actions  

was that Blum? eff him.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yadi has a stand up double!

my screenname, wooo! vs stros

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 2:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Yadi threatening to steal is awesome

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Stav and Freese strand him

effin LOBsters

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Freese has an excellent throw across the diamon vs Houston

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 2:42 PM EDT reply actions  

oh Mather for shame. sell that one next time.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

vs Sox, Gotay has two men on

Castro is pitching

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 2:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Yadi has quite a talk with Lohse, still in in the 5th vs Stros

and Mather gets that one. inning over

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 2:46 PM EDT reply actions  

I have a feeling Lohse's five innings will look much better....
dgoold Penny goes five innings, allows 10 hits and seven runs (all earned). He threw 84 pitches, 54 of which were strikes. #stlcards 1 minutes ago via web

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 2:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Gotay at first base is apparently an adventure vs. Sox

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 2:50 PM EDT reply actions  

blum interviewed

told to stay under the radar, “story of my career,” he replies.

talking about untucking and edmonds.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 22, 2010 2:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Tyler Henley lead off double vs Sox

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 2:53 PM EDT reply actions  

what's the score, inning?

i’m watching houston on mlb.tv

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 22, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

now 7-5, thanks Skip

bottom sixth? I think

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

big mac taking notes as lopex k's

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 22, 2010 2:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Solano beats throw vs Sox

Skip’s up

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 2:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Shannon amused as balk goes un-called.

over and over.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

someone's yelling about it.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

his obp must be about .900 in spring

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 22, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

jaime!

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Mar 22, 2010 2:56 PM EDT reply actions  

ouch, what was that

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

shelton leads off with double on jaime

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 22, 2010 2:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Boog leaps out of the way, vs Sox

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 2:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Boog's not havin' a good day.

now Holliday with his “savage cuts”

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think that was Feliz with a broken bat

wow, that shattered
vs Stros

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 3:00 PM EDT reply actions  

those outs are scarily long flies, Jaime.

out of the inning.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Colby walks! LaRue has bases loaded vs Sox

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 3:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Has he started regrowing

his pornstache yet?

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Mar 22, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's the radio one

I think I saw it already

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

YES!

Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")

by STLRegalia on Mar 22, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

LaRue would've been better served getting hit by the pitch.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh I'm psychic

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Houston has a Lopez pitching

for those… uhh… following along.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 3:05 PM EDT reply actions  

they also mistakenly called garcia "lopez" today

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 22, 2010 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

anyone seeing this interview on houston game?

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 22, 2010 3:08 PM EDT reply actions  

who was that?

she had an interesting take on how wide-open the central is, but i’m glad she’s not counting the cardinals out.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 22, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

whoever she is, i'm not looking to follow her

sounds like an astros pr person in that interview.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 22, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

she is, but she's funny

no problem calling it as she sees it, from what little I’ve read

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

of course

i just wouldn’t follow a cards pr person either, for the same reason

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 22, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

we follow Leach

he has nice playlists

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

who's our counterpart?

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

innings over simultaneously.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 3:08 PM EDT reply actions  

great line from craig calcaterra
For all of the excitement about the moves the Mariners made this winter, the fact remains that there ain’t a heck of a lot of pop in that lineup. And with Casey Kotchman (a slow, groundball hitter) and Milton Bradley (Milton Bradley) going 3-4, you’re going to see a lot of innings like this:

Ichiro: single;
Figgins: walk;
Kotchman: 4-6-3 double play;
Bradley: strikeout looking, ejected after blinking;

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Mar 22, 2010 3:09 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

Trever to Pags Lite

Boog out of the game… and other stuff happened, talking too fast vs Sox.

However, the batter is Bubba Bell.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 3:11 PM EDT reply actions  

a nice play on the run by Greene vs Stros

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 3:11 PM EDT reply actions  

redeem yourself, tyler.

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Mar 22, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

another scary long fly from Jaime's pitch

2 outs

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

that throw was a little high but job done.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jaime has changed his arm action

I don’t have side by side video, but it seems pretty obvious.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Mar 22, 2010 3:12 PM EDT reply actions  

12 years ago.

Note: Above comment may contain gratuitous amounts of sarcasm.

BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS

by vexedtechie on Mar 22, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pre-TJ

Hadn’t seen him till today really.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Mar 22, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

That different even extends to throwing the ball too which is encouraging

He’s throwing with “safer” mechanics it looks like at full speed anyway. Always a risky maneuver (see Liriano, Francisco) but it seems his stuff has actually come back.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Mar 22, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

JAMIE!!

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Mar 22, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

JAIME GARCIA

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Colby sells it on a high fly vs Sox

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 3:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Trever is once again badass.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like Garcia...

Quick inning for him

I want the Walrus back...

by Paulspike on Mar 22, 2010 3:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Gotay works his magic and walks vs Sox

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 3:19 PM EDT reply actions  

OT: Saw this on Doghouse Diaries today...

Note: Above comment may contain gratuitous amounts of sarcasm.

BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS

by vexedtechie on Mar 22, 2010 3:20 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

...okay?

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BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS

by vexedtechie on Mar 22, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hahaha, easy folks...

…‘cause rec’s matter in real life.

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BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS

by vexedtechie on Mar 22, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

whats "in real life?"

is that kind of like IRL?

I'm not a player, I just mouth-breathe a lot

by all4tookie on Mar 22, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

maybe a "second life" knockoff?

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Mar 22, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's second life inside of second life.

…pretty cool concept, really.

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BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS

by vexedtechie on Mar 22, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

FLAGGED

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Mar 22, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

HAHA, quality.

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BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS

by vexedtechie on Mar 22, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Now with six official recs

This baby deserves to be green.

by JWO on Mar 22, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll only rec original, modified pics

just throwing a pic up and expecting it to be rec’d is lazy….I’m looking at you vexed!

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

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by mattyfrommo on Mar 22, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

WTF?! Why is everyone assuming I wanted this rec'd?!

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by vexedtechie on Mar 22, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's just awesome is what that is

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by gdm426 on Mar 23, 2010 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

seriously, you guys, those gifs/pngs should be barely 20K

they’re 200K and 60K

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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh, shut it

and go get to work on the glossary update

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by mattyfrommo on Mar 22, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

....

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by gdm426 on Mar 23, 2010 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

that's right.

that’s me, the fun-taker.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
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by Yadi2Second on Mar 23, 2010 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

at least you're not a close talker

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by gdm426 on Mar 23, 2010 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

f'n gdm

size = 212.99 KB

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Mar 23, 2010 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

numbers give us a headacke, we don't really know what they mean

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by gdm426 on Mar 23, 2010 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Tejada fail, Skip now has two on vs Sox

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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 3:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Freese's bobble-panic-throw near-disaster

but he has been saving Garcia’s butt, generally. vs Stros

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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 3:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Craig looked real athletic catching that shot, too.

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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jaime barely justifies all the PFPs

bouncer to first, poor Craig.
they’re out of the inning but Yadi has some words with Jaime. vs Stros.

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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

pitcher fielding practice

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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

how we won 2006

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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

craig scooped

no problem

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 22, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

they made Craig work

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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

and nice play to end game

looked agile all day.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 22, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

and jaime rebounded well

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 22, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Let's see if Pagnozzi can get Descalso to the plate."

vs Sox. (Rooney)

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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 3:27 PM EDT reply actions  

"Ryan Franklin, the Cardinal closer, is getting ready in the bullpen."

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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

the only way he'd get descalso to the plate is if he turns an ankle and descalso is the backup catcher.

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Mar 22, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

it's funny cuz it's true

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by mattyfrommo on Mar 22, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

joey bombsquad!

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Mar 22, 2010 3:30 PM EDT reply actions  

if only Strauss had been watching the game
Standing in security line at lambert. Horror show. 3 minutes ago via Echofon
http://twitter.com/JoeStrauss/status/10887091835

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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

that wait...

is some how Pujols’ fault.

by Evilfrog on Mar 22, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

but Tony completely defends it

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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

the faa has ruled that pujols must check his bats and that they must be carried in a separate airplane entirely when he flies.

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Mar 22, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

note to strauss:

if it’s not baseball related, no one cares!

by d-dee on Mar 22, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

bombs!

"There's a lot of things we say that don't make sense to our viewers. Okay, primarily me." ~Al Hrabosky~

by YesWeOquendo on Mar 22, 2010 3:30 PM EDT reply actions  

BRB Batting Cages.

I gotta hankerin’ to get my swing back to normal.

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by vexedtechie on Mar 22, 2010 3:30 PM EDT reply actions  

dead center

thank god, i was actually starting to fret about stav.

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by cardball on Mar 22, 2010 3:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Bombs away!!!

"If you don't have outstanding relief pitching, you might as well piss on the fire and call the boggs." -WH

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 22, 2010 3:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Frankie doesn't get the call vs Sox

Henley catches the next one, with a little help from Skip

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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 3:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Solano has nice play at SS vs Sox

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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

pitch up -> line drive bh

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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

btw, LaRue is at first base.

since some of you like that.

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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

swinging K for Frankie.

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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

damn, Craig

running catch to end game vs Stros

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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 3:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Jaimito Garcia for MLB!!!

Rich Hill for DFA!!

I want the Walrus back...

by Paulspike on Mar 22, 2010 3:41 PM EDT reply actions  

JAIME GARCIA

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

JAIMITO

I want the Walrus back...

by Paulspike on Mar 22, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

JAIME OMAR F. GARCIA

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by YesWeOquendo on Mar 22, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

they call him

Señor

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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

You gotta love

Señor García

I want the Walrus back...

by Paulspike on Mar 22, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

cardinal's b-squad wins in texas.

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Mar 22, 2010 3:41 PM EDT reply actions  

in texas?

"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR

by IHeartBoog on Mar 22, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes.

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Mar 22, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

well, it was more clearly the b-squad when both pujols and holliday were on the other team. with pujols scratched,

it’s not a stark a distinction.

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Mar 22, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Shannon makes crack about TJ Large

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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 3:42 PM EDT reply actions  

it's a SNOWCONE!!!!!

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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 3:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Jason LaRue

Roger Dean erupts!

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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Chief Justice on base

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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gotay's workin' his stat magic

ball four

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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tyler Henley's up

go Memphis!!!

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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I (heart) Gotay

Anybody who walks as much as he does is worthy of it.

by Michael_68_1999 on Mar 22, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did you know

iTunes Radio has a St. Louis Sports Talk station?

I want the Walrus back...

by Paulspike on Mar 22, 2010 3:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Never mind

Its just Rams bla-bla-bla

I want the Walrus back...

by Paulspike on Mar 22, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

baaa-baaa-baaa, you mean.

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Mar 22, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions   3 recs

I thought "baaaa" was something that lambs sa....ohhhhhh I get it

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Mar 22, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

no one at first!

Everyone is safe, run scores!

by Evilfrog on Mar 22, 2010 3:48 PM EDT reply actions  

no one at first! ball gets away from Tejada!

Jay scores! Ruben Gotay is in safe!

PARTY!

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 3:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Ottavino warming up, per Goold

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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am really starting to get curious

With what the Cardinals are going to do with Jaime Omar Garcia. He is having a strong of a Spring as any Cardinal pitcher. But on the flip side McClellan is having a decent enough Spring to probably but him the 5th starter spot. But is it really in the best interest of the team to stick him in Memphis?

by FlimtotheFlam on Mar 22, 2010 3:49 PM EDT reply actions  

You play the hot hand

Garcia looks pretty dang acceptable as a fifth starter. Another four innings with only two hits and one run? If he can stretch out another inning or so per start, I can live with that.

by JWO on Mar 22, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think he would suit us best

as a setup man. He has done it before and he knows how to do it. Otherwise, you would leave Motte or Boggs to do this job, which sounds risky to me. I say, put Garcia in that 5th spot

And Craig at third… Just sayin’

I want the Walrus back...

by Paulspike on Mar 22, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mixed feelings on Craig

Not sure his bat overcomes his defense as a regular. But I’d love to have Craig on the bench, getting 7-10 ABs a week.

by JWO on Mar 22, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think I agree with you

But the one thing that stands out about Craig is his consistency. He has provided quality offensive seasons every year in the minors. I am sure Oquendo can do a Glaus-type job with him.

But yeah, definitely, have him at least as a bench ultra-PH

I want the Walrus back...

by Paulspike on Mar 22, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

he's a lot more nimble than glaus

the problem seems to be his arm

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 22, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes, from what ive read this spring, its his arm that has moved him off 3rd, not mobility or hands

that being said, he apparently has the arm for the OF too, so maybe its just an accuracy issue

by FunkeeC on Mar 22, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

At this point

seeing this spring what Penny is capable of doing may make McClellan the 4th starter and Garcia the 5th by June.

by Michael_68_1999 on Mar 22, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Every year

the Cardinals have in their rotation (other than maybe 2004) someone befitting the promotion “Automatic Loss Night.” In previous years, it’s been Garret Stephenson, Jason Marquis, Kip Wells and Todd Wellemeyer. I hope nobody in the rotation has that role this year, even Penny.

by Michael_68_1999 on Mar 22, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

Lets remember these games mean very little in the grand scope of things. If Penny is hitting his velocity and feels comfortable with his mechanics, I think he’ll be fine.

At least he better.

by JWO on Mar 22, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

doesn't look real comfortable to me

link
link

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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

waino's on it

the new carp?

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 22, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Waino worked with Hawks before

they had their own pet projects

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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

waino's been the one around garcia too

would guess carp talks a bit to shelby. and ottavino, his delivery is now somewhat carp-like, so maybe a connection there.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 22, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

we play fantasy baseball

they play fantasy baseball with a twist

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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dunc has thoughts

fake blockquote
"I know if he had pitched the first four innings the way he [pitched the last inning, they wouldn’t have put anything up on the board. It looked to me like all of a sudden his focus came in there and he looked like a pitcher. I think that’s a very good way for him to pitch, the way he pitched the fifth inning."

-Dave Duncan, on starter Brad Penny

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

from Leach

tweet
MatthewHLeach Duncan on Penny: “I’m not concerned about him. You know why? Because physically he’s really strong and he’s healthy. He’s working hard.” 6 minutes ago via web

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

you know who else was really strong?

Welley

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by gdm426 on Mar 23, 2010 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

why did it take 6 hours for someone to make this comment?

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by mattyfrommo on Mar 23, 2010 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

we were going to say garrett stephenson,

but we didn’t think some of the younger kids would get it

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by gdm426 on Mar 23, 2010 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

everytime I hear/read that name

I black out for a little bit

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by mattyfrommo on Mar 23, 2010 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

the white hot flashes of rage still appear when we here his name

every once in a while

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by gdm426 on Mar 23, 2010 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think you know my feelings on this

McClellan = bullpen, Garcia = 5th starter

"If you don't have outstanding relief pitching, you might as well piss on the fire and call the boggs." -WH

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 22, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's fine with me

"If you don't have outstanding relief pitching, you might as well piss on the fire and call the boggs." -WH

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 22, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am sooooo on board with this

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by mattyfrommo on Mar 22, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

we've always been on this train

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by gdm426 on Mar 23, 2010 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Whaaaaa?

I would think most of VEB would be on board with this. I know I am!

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Mar 22, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

i keep hearing people saying jaime should spend the year (or at least start) in the minors

but i think he’s our best option for the 5th starter, so it doesn’t make sense not to have him there.

"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR

by IHeartBoog on Mar 22, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I understand that

I think I’m more on the Garcia-for-5th-spot because I don’t want K-Mac starting

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Mar 22, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

exactly.

i would probably want jaime to finesse his skills in AAA if there were some other viable option for 5th starter. to me, it just seems like there isn’t. k-mac would be disasterous.

"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR

by IHeartBoog on Mar 22, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

the 5th starter is a myth

read fangraphs recent article.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 22, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't believe everything I read at fangraphs

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by mattyfrommo on Mar 22, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's just numbers, so nothing not to believe

i think he was going to make a larger point today, but haven’t checked

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 22, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's more than just numbers

I like fangraphs, but it is definitely more than just numbers

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

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by mattyfrommo on Mar 22, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

you read it?

i didn’t see a point, though i read it late late. he just laid out some numbers, and said he’d be making a larger point later.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 22, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I read it

it’s his opinion. Sure, he might have some numbers to back up his opinion, but #5 starters can exist. He picked out a seemingly arbitrary number of starts that defined his idea of a #5 starter. He even threw in this line:

This may not be the most scientific way to look at the situation, but it’s quick and dirty and gets the point across.

That post is numbers & opinions. It’s one of my least favorite articles over there.

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

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by mattyfrommo on Mar 22, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

like i said, i read it very late

and didn’t pay attention to much but the numbers, because he stated that the article shouldn’t be taken as gospel, that it was merely a precursor to a point to follow, which i assumed was some sort of proposed 5th spot by committee, which is in actually what a lot of folks are advocating here

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 22, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I heard Sabean posts there.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Mar 22, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

is that like how the closer is a myth?

bwahahahahaha give me a break. I’ll admit the position is overrated, but it’s not like it’s unimportant.

"If you don't have outstanding relief pitching, you might as well piss on the fire and call the boggs." -WH

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 22, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes, the closer is more important than the identity of the 5th starter

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 22, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

The closer is a myth

People seemed to have confused “it’s not important to throw your best relief pitcher in the 9th inning” with “it’s not important to have a great relief pitcher”.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Mar 22, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

ah cmon

there is added pressure at the end of the game, you can’t have a rookie closer unless he’s something very special.

"If you don't have outstanding relief pitching, you might as well piss on the fire and call the boggs." -WH

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 22, 2010 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

bingo

I think K-Mac will be overexposed as a starter and might even get hurt again. plus he’s one of the few consistencies we have in the ’pen. plus Jaime is making it very very hard to send him to memphis

"If you don't have outstanding relief pitching, you might as well piss on the fire and call the boggs." -WH

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 22, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

kmac bullpen

=no

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going

by sportsman on Mar 22, 2010 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

No way.

That is a growing sentiment here, me included.

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Mar 22, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

ok i stand corrected

guess fourstick is in the minority here.

"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR

by IHeartBoog on Mar 22, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'm in that minority

and anyway, i think it’s already preordained.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 22, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

how so

"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR

by IHeartBoog on Mar 22, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think the gameplan for garcia was memphis for awhile

and the only real competition was between hill and mac, which seems to have been decided. i don’t think they are looking at otta for the bullpen if mac didn’t already have the 5 job. and i don’t believe garcia would seriously be in the pen in stl. tony and dunc say a lot of stuff, but that’s how i see it – so of course it’s all conjecture.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 22, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

TLR has said that Garcia is starting whether thats Memphis or St Louis

so that does raise the question, why stick Ottavino in the pen if you were going to have Mac there?

by FunkeeC on Mar 22, 2010 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really? Why the fuck...

haven’t we been calling this guy “Omar”?

Not only is it funny, it will drastically cut down on all the Jamie’s.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Mar 22, 2010 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

in-DEED.

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Mar 22, 2010 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

we don't get this at all

Hope is the worst of all evils, for it prolongs the torment of man

by gdm426 on Mar 23, 2010 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

and who is that?

Hope is the worst of all evils, for it prolongs the torment of man

by gdm426 on Mar 23, 2010 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

oh, yeah never seen that

but have always heard it’s the best show in the history of tv

Hope is the worst of all evils, for it prolongs the torment of man

by gdm426 on Mar 23, 2010 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

is it really that good?

it can’t be better than the Sopranos can it?

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by gdm426 on Mar 23, 2010 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Both shows are amazing.

But The Wire at its best (a hotly contested thing) is better than The Sopranos. I’d say that The Sopranos had more even seasons than The Wire.

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by spants on Mar 23, 2010 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

what makes it so good? the writing, acting, the story?

all of the above?

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by gdm426 on Mar 23, 2010 1:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

all of the above

The fourth season just about broke my heart. Watch it.

by peach concrete on Mar 23, 2010 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

And I thought that one was the weakest.

Though quite necessary in terms of story. The pacing was just way too slow.

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by spants on Mar 23, 2010 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

The third and fourth seasons just hit a nerve - I work with middle schoolers.

And working in schools all the testing stuff hit home. But I loved the first season too – I just didn’t get as caught up on the second and last.

I suppose the show is technically about the two sides of the law in Baltimore, but I tend to think of it as a story about the relationships between institutions/systems and individuals. Or something like that.

by peach concrete on Mar 23, 2010 1:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's definitely about institutions/systems and individuals.

Like I said, for me it was just poor pacing. I liked the characters and the arc of the season. It was just drawn out. The first 6-7 episodes should’ve been the first 4 episodes. The last 3 episodes were fantastic.

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by spants on Mar 23, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

we'd probably have to agree to disagree on this one

but as you know season 4 is probably my favourite, along with #2. I thought the pacing was really good, and all the child actors were sensationally good in it. I think (as in season 2, to some extent) the pacing had to be a little slower to allow you to adjust to all the new characters and the radical change in setting.

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Mar 23, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

what's the show about?

why did it almost break your heart?

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by gdm426 on Mar 23, 2010 1:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

how the real world is infinitely more

Fucked Up than anything anyone can just make up out of thin air

Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.

by TomCat009 on Mar 23, 2010 5:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Gotta love that I read

show in the above comment… then Real World in yours and did that math which didn’t work out… then read further and saw what you were talking about. This could be due to the fact I’ve been watching some Real World I’ve missed tonite…

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by ducttape16 on Mar 23, 2010 5:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

since I randomly capitalize words I can understand the confusion

Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.

by TomCat009 on Mar 23, 2010 6:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

moost?

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 23, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

ooh gotcha

Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.

by TomCat009 on Mar 23, 2010 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Skip lines to center, base hit

damn Skippy!

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 3:52 PM EDT reply actions  

4 hits!

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Solano safe at home

ball gets away from catcher, advance to third
1st and 3rd

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Descalso gets to second

two score
sloppy infield play again

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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

ironically enough for DanUp

Rappoport bats for Rasmus

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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

he also gets himself a fair ball

woohoo!

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

did boston just give up?

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Mar 22, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

they put in a guy named TJ Large.

then buttered up their gloves.

Jason LaRue at the dish!

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

His name is really Large?

I hope he weighs a buck fifty

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Mar 22, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Shannon made a medium and extra joke

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

If anyone asks...

Tell em Large Marge sent ya.

by JWO on Mar 22, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think he's raised his batting average about 40 points today...

At this rate, he will be batting his typical .300 by Friday.

by JWO on Mar 22, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

For all the talk about bullpen weakness

Mr. Miller has still given up ZERO runs this spring. Another inning pitched today with no hits and two strikeouts. This piece of the pen looks pretty dang solid.

by JWO on Mar 22, 2010 3:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Trev is awesome

possibly even underrated

"If you don't have outstanding relief pitching, you might as well piss on the fire and call the boggs." -WH

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 22, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ottavino for closer?

just halfway kidding?

"If you don't have outstanding relief pitching, you might as well piss on the fire and call the boggs." -WH

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 22, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

With a six run lead

I would even trust Brad Thompson to close it out.

by JWO on Mar 22, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Shannonism

http://twitter.com/JohnMarecek/status/10888445055

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love me some in mid-season form Mike Shannon

no surprise really, the beer is also fresh in ST

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Mar 22, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

what's the deal?

Is Otto showing great velocity or something?

by sdrone on Mar 22, 2010 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know. it's the radio.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

LaRue HBP again

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 3:58 PM EDT reply actions  

it is, so far, a 7-run eighth innning.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

pity-clapping for catching Jay's high fly

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

we have a Smith?

taking over at first base

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 4:02 PM EDT reply actions  

You know what's better than a Cardinal victory?

Two. Cardinal victories…

I want the Walrus back...

by Paulspike on Mar 22, 2010 4:04 PM EDT reply actions  

nice

"If you don't have outstanding relief pitching, you might as well piss on the fire and call the boggs." -WH

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 22, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

jinxing jinxer.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

ok, now you can post it.

/future.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was a victim of premature counting

Next time I’ll wait for the Seseme Street Thunder.

by JWO on Mar 22, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

20 hits so far by Cards

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 4:06 PM EDT reply actions  

maybe Mark is having a good effect

"If you don't have outstanding relief pitching, you might as well piss on the fire and call the boggs." -WH

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 22, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's more that some of the pitchers sucked

and the infield buttered their gloves.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

so Mark isn't making a mark?

"If you don't have outstanding relief pitching, you might as well piss on the fire and call the boggs." -WH

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 22, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

crowd clapping

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 4:09 PM EDT reply actions  

molina in at catcher for boston.

it’s a good thing they’re not both in the same game.

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Mar 22, 2010 4:09 PM EDT reply actions  

double chicken dinner!

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 4:09 PM EDT reply actions  

two chicks at once?

/hat tip to flim

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Mar 22, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions   4 recs

Go go gadget threesome.

Note: Above comment may contain gratuitous amounts of sarcasm.

BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS

by vexedtechie on Mar 22, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Heh

Love xkcd

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Mar 22, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hahaha, heck yeah. Today's was notably chuckleworthy.

Note: Above comment may contain gratuitous amounts of sarcasm.

BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS

by vexedtechie on Mar 22, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is a little light on the rec's

"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Mar 22, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

typo

not Tejada,
Tejeda

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 4:12 PM EDT reply actions  

how did ottavino finish up the game?

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 22, 2010 4:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Pujols contract extension

The Cards to be patient here. The possibility of a hometown discount is already up in smoke. AP is getting older, has numerous nagging physical problems. The Cards are in a win/win situation by not panicking and waiting for him to be a free agent. If they wait, they can’t pay much more on the up side and they might get him for a lot less if his body doesn’t hold up. i love the guy, hope he has record years for the rest of his life, but realistically, I think they should wait it out.

by Frankx5 on Mar 22, 2010 4:37 PM EDT reply actions  

oh hell no

if they want to sign him, they need to get it done before he hits FA.
My heart couldn’t take it.

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Mar 22, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't like Goold's newest

tweet:

Cuts coming. Relievers like Salas and Parise and infielder Ruben Gotay

I want Salas to make it over Hawksworth.

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Mar 22, 2010 4:42 PM EDT reply actions  

he won't make it over hawksworth

but there is still a spot up in the air for now

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 22, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

dude

just be glad that Gotay is in that sentence

"If you don't have outstanding relief pitching, you might as well piss on the fire and call the boggs." -WH

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 22, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

meh

I have this eerie suspicion that Stav is going to make the team, and I’d probably prefer Gotay to Stav.

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Mar 22, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Mather keeps hitting bombs, and Craig keeps hitting like Pujols Jr, we have nothing to worry about

well, I suppose TLR is pretty unpredictable…

"If you don't have outstanding relief pitching, you might as well piss on the fire and call the boggs." -WH

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 22, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gotta love that Stav

is the lowest rated player on the Cards in MLB10… I swear more and more that game is magical

"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Mar 22, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Trade him!

His value may never be higher!

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Mar 22, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

take nick stavinoha...

please.

"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR

by IHeartBoog on Mar 22, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

But see

That’s still a better pitch line than Mo’s been used to giving. It used to be “I will [redacted] if you take Nick Stavinoha!”

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Mar 22, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

These actually don't make a lot of sense to me

How is Salas cut when their is an obvious opening in the bullpen and he has had a strong spring. Also, Lugo is not even off the DL yet so why cut Gotay?

by FlimtotheFlam on Mar 22, 2010 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

no gotay, but still greene

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 22, 2010 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

paaaaanic
BJRains Pujols had an MRI and a shot today per GM John Mozeliak, still day-to-day, not concerned about it. 2 minutes ago via web

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 5:03 PM EDT reply actions  

F YOU, SPANTS

why why why

I'm not a player, I just mouth-breathe a lot

by all4tookie on Mar 22, 2010 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's even on-topic

[breathes into paper bag]

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

at least you are breathing on your own

I'm not a player, I just mouth-breathe a lot

by all4tookie on Mar 22, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can't afford the ventilator

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

no shit, those suckers are f'ing expensive

Hope is the worst of all evils, for it prolongs the torment of man

by gdm426 on Mar 23, 2010 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

good possibility they find some changes

in a disc. I bet if we took a survey of VEB’ers, we would find that well over half of us would have some sort of disc pathology. It is not uncommon for asymptomatic issues in discs. Just because albert is having some stiffness in his back and, if he did have some disc pathology, doesn’t mean that the disc is causing the discomfort. I have seen several people who have had back pain and stiffness that a MD sent them for an MRI and found degenerative joint disease or bulging discs or even slight tears that conservative treatment has completely eliminated their symptoms.

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Mar 22, 2010 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

If it's keeping him out of games, it's probably not good.

He plays through all sorts of pain. Of course, it could just be that it’s spring training and that’s why they’re being so cautious.

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by spants on Mar 22, 2010 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would go with the latter

and the earlier explanation that because Albert’s elbow is feeling so much better this spring he has been overdoing it in the cages.

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Mar 22, 2010 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have seen several people who have had back pain and stiffness that a MD sent them for an MRI and found degenerative joint disease or bulging discs or even slight tears that conservative treatment has completely eliminated their symptoms.

This is me.

Think; It's not illegal yet.

by azruavatar on Mar 22, 2010 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope

you haven’t been persuaded to get cut on and have went with conservative approaches. Back surgery is nothing to sneeze at! (or after for that matter)

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Mar 22, 2010 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wish that work comp would've been more conservative with my husband's spine.

Instead he had the surgery, which took forever to heal from.

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by spants on Mar 22, 2010 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Back stregthening exercises corrected almost all my back problems.

I did some PT and they started me out with really low level stuff. Then I started doing more compound exercises that require core stability (squats, lunges, deadlifts). When I slowly raised the weight (with my ability to maintain form always the guideline), I’ve made huge gains in core stability and I haven’t thrown my back out in quite some time. I’m too young to have back surgery (fingers crossed).

Think; It's not illegal yet.

by azruavatar on Mar 22, 2010 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

core stability is the key

you should be fine as long as you keep up the good work on the stabilizers. But keeping your fingers crossed cant hurt; except for when you try to type!

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Mar 22, 2010 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

if y'all can tear yourself away for a moment... here's some baseball.
  1. BJRains Pagnozzi optioned…Gotay, Parise, Salas, Sanchez and Perez reassigned to minor league camp. Cards now with 31 players in camp. 2 minutes ago via web
  2. dgoold Cardinals cuts, official: Optioned Pagnozzi, reassigned Gotay, Parise, Ed. Sanchez, O. Perez, Fernando Salas. Now 31 in #stlcard camp 32 minutes ago via web

More → http://interact.stltoday.com/blogzone/commishs-hot-stove/commishs-hot-stove/cardinal-beat-updates/2010/03/pujols-has-mri-receives-shot-to-address-back-soreness/

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 5:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Kind of have a basketball hangover.

Might as well get some baseball in.

In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Mar 22, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gah!

Possibly the two best relievers of the spring get sent out, yet Hawk stays. Double Gah.

Gah, Gah.

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Mar 22, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think it's "gaw"

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

hey, did ottavino pitch a flawless ninth - anything?

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 22, 2010 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

2H, 1R, 0BB (!), 2 K

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Mar 22, 2010 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Shannon said he came out of the bullpen carrying a can of gasoline.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's what made me ask

didn’t know if it meant he got lit up, or he was throwing gas. but then, shannon himself probably didn’t know what he meant.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 22, 2010 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

hooray pagnozzi being optioned! boo stavinoha remaining in camp!

interesting that all these relievers go and ottavino stays . . . .

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Mar 22, 2010 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mo said something about innings totals

unless I can’t speak Mo anymore, probably some guys haven’t gotten their work in, so they’re staying.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

dunc may have his eye on ottavino as the new mac

as in, you’ll be a starter again down the line, but for now you are a reliever. i’m pretty disappointed in that, if true. i’d keep salas for the last spot and let otto join jaime in the memphis rotation for now.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 22, 2010 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

and we know he's a reliever

ottavino is much more valuable as a starter, and i’m not ready to throw in the towel on that yet

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 22, 2010 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

otto is already on the 40-man roster.

i think that’s what’s behind this.

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Mar 22, 2010 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

ah, ok.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 22, 2010 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

dammit

Stavino is still alive. Damn you, Stavino!!

"If you don't have outstanding relief pitching, you might as well piss on the fire and call the boggs." -WH

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 22, 2010 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hail Stavino

Down with haters.

Hey Ump!

by paposse on Mar 23, 2010 8:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm a proud Stavino/Stavinoha hater

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Mar 23, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

i hate 'em both too

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 23, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

read the signature

that is all

Allen Craig > Nick Stavinoha

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 23, 2010 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

so, if salas was cut

i guess they’re committing to otto for the pen in the event kmac is a starter?

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Mar 22, 2010 6:23 PM EDT reply actions  

so Otto gets lit up for the first month

then is replaced by Salas?

I gotta say, I am not so impressed with Mo’s roster construction over the last couple Spring Trainings.

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

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by mattyfrommo on Mar 22, 2010 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

rico washington says they are genius.

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Mar 22, 2010 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Uncle Rico!

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Mar 22, 2010 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

still too soon tom

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

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by mattyfrommo on Mar 22, 2010 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

look at it this way, without joe, we'd have never met the bear

and we think we can all agree our lives are so much better with the bear in them

Hope is the worst of all evils, for it prolongs the torment of man

by gdm426 on Mar 23, 2010 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

for sure

"If you don't have outstanding relief pitching, you might as well piss on the fire and call the boggs." -WH

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 22, 2010 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Possibly a dumb question

What’s the difference between getting reassigned and being optioned?

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Mar 22, 2010 6:37 PM EDT reply actions  

optioned means that one of his option years was used (he's on the 40 man)

whereas reassigned means someone who was in camp on a minor league deal, was reassigned to the minor league camp.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Mar 22, 2010 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Might wanna learn that before taking that Mariners job, eh?

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Mar 22, 2010 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Might wanna stop shopping at the toilet store, eh?

Jerk.

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Mar 22, 2010 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

lotta jerks around here today

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 22, 2010 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

the jerk store, that is

I'm not a player, I just mouth-breathe a lot

by all4tookie on Mar 22, 2010 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

jerk

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 22, 2010 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

All caps gets you flagged?

No wonder TOLAXOR hasn’t been around in a fortnight.

by Mister Eff on Mar 22, 2010 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I miss him.

Think; It's not illegal yet.

by azruavatar on Mar 22, 2010 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love that his legend lives on

in us longer been around, nerdy Cardinal bloggers.

TOLAXOR blazed a trail. He blazed… a trail.

by Mister Eff on Mar 22, 2010 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

UID: 88

Think; It's not illegal yet.

by azruavatar on Mar 22, 2010 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

i wasn't around for him

but the few comments people have linked to always gave me the same feeling i had listening to don king talk.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 22, 2010 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

That thread is an emotional rollercoaster.

Damn, 2008 sucked. Bullpen despair to the point where people were calling for K-Mac as closer. And then a Luddy walk-off win in extra innings. Plus we got Felipe Lopez that night, though Hardcore Legend wishes we would’ve gotten Bonds instead. And Azru was disappointed that TLR didn’t get mad during the post-game interview.

STAB STAB STAB

by spants on Mar 22, 2010 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

ohio, and born 1905

it’s gdm

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 22, 2010 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

No.

He said Columbus was beautiful.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
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by ClemsonGirl on Mar 22, 2010 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

you're right

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 22, 2010 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

HFS

®

we never knew TOLAXOR was from here. we wonder if we’ve ever crossed paths?

btw, we were in downtown cbus to sight see with our aunt who made a quick trip out east, and we don’t know if it was just because it was actually a sunny warm day, or because we were around Missouri people, but it didn’t suck.

Hope is the worst of all evils, for it prolongs the torment of man

by gdm426 on Mar 23, 2010 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

when sightseeing in columbus

with an aunt doesn’t suck, you’ve turned a corner.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 23, 2010 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

is that good?

Hope is the worst of all evils, for it prolongs the torment of man

by gdm426 on Mar 23, 2010 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

well, tbh, sometimes nothing but more torment

awaits around the corner.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 23, 2010 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

he still shows up pretty regularly at BTF

AND HE’S STILL GOING STRONG.

Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers

by SleepyCA on Mar 22, 2010 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

BTF?

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Mar 23, 2010 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

baseballthinkfactory

actually, after posting that I clicked the link and apparently i posted the same thing in 2008, with a link to TOLAXOR’s BTF profile. Lol.

Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers

by SleepyCA on Mar 23, 2010 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Baseball Think Factory

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Mar 23, 2010 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

some of those damn oldies need to comment every now and then

I’ve never even heard of that Bowen

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Mar 22, 2010 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

and

“I just farted so loud, biscuits flew out of the oven”?

How did I miss that game thread?

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Mar 22, 2010 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Last season was the first season I was regularly in game threads.

I used to work at night, so I’d get home and read the (much shorter back then) threads.

STAB STAB STAB

by spants on Mar 22, 2010 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

i thought i was in most game threads in 08

I need to go back and see who that was against, I do remember being at a Luddy walkoff game that season

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Mar 22, 2010 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was in the main post that day

and had one line in the overflow.

I must have been getting extremely drunk or getting some that night, otherwise I would have had to console/celebrate in that game thread

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Mar 23, 2010 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

getting some what?

Hope is the worst of all evils, for it prolongs the torment of man

by gdm426 on Mar 23, 2010 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

And I thought I got excited about So Taguchi.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
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by ClemsonGirl on Mar 22, 2010 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

every paragraph

also ends with either an ellipsis or multiple exclamation points

i think i need a xanax

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Mar 22, 2010 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

it was a blast

Hope is the worst of all evils, for it prolongs the torment of man

by gdm426 on Mar 23, 2010 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

UGH EVERYONE STOP PICKING ON ME

I'm not a player, I just mouth-breathe a lot

by all4tookie on Mar 23, 2010 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

fourstick?

/kidding

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 23, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

damnit, we wish we'd have seen this subtread to use the pic

Hope is the worst of all evils, for it prolongs the torment of man

by gdm426 on Mar 23, 2010 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

You guys couldn't say anything?

Even the guy who can’t think could say something!

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Mar 22, 2010 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just noticed Ensberg follow my advice and contacted Tom Tango.

I am the Batman .
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.

by CodyG on Mar 22, 2010 6:42 PM EDT reply actions  

have we done up the adoption papers yet?

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is there a link?

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Mar 22, 2010 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

This'll be interesting

Statnerds, prepare the pitchforks!

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Mar 22, 2010 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really like that Lisa Gray's comment

gonna have to check back in to see his reply to that one

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Mar 22, 2010 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Have you tweeked your proxies yet?

Just tried to use to open Ensbergs blog, and got slapped down, also it wouldn’t run FSM video earlier.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Mar 22, 2010 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

F'n SBN

vebproxy

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Mar 22, 2010 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

what's the deal with this proxy server?

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Mar 22, 2010 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

just something I made

I wanted to make a better proxy for MLB.tv blackouts. But in that regard it is a failure so far

by FlimtotheFlam on Mar 22, 2010 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like it

but I have limited knowledge of proxy servers. Are you gonna be able to tell which porn sites we visit?

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Mar 22, 2010 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's just hit and miss through this firewall.

I get websensed for youtube, but it will get through with the proxy. Ensberg’s site gets caught both ways.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Mar 22, 2010 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Collective Bargaining Agreement

I suggested earlier that The Cards give Albert a percentage of the gate. Lots of comments indicating that this against collective bargaining agreement.

I don’t see anything that indicates this can’t be done. As BP points out today, there is a specific prohibition against an ownership stake but even that is subject to Commisitioner review — in fact there is a special section to the player contract that allows teams to put in unique non-standard clauses.

Can anyone else shed light on where % of gate would be banned?

Just win

by The Duke on Mar 22, 2010 6:54 PM EDT reply actions  

i don't think it is

as an attendance bonus, since griffey got it in seattle.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 22, 2010 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

okay rosterbators

Leach has the cage matches!

K-Mac! Ottavino! Garcia!
Lugo vs. Greene!

boom.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 8:20 PM EDT reply actions  

it's like an endangered animal

I suspect I was SBN’d. Link’s below.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

that link doesn't work for me

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 22, 2010 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Allen Craig vs Nick Stavinoha

who will be the last man standing http://yourenotagolfer.mlblogs.com/archives/2010/03/roster_math.html

McClellan, are you bullpen or starter? you seem like bullpen to me. Garcia, you are sure acting like the 5th starter

"If you don't have outstanding relief pitching, you might as well piss on the fire and call the boggs." -WH

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 22, 2010 8:22 PM EDT reply actions  

I'll need to go on a serious bender if Stav beats out Craig

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Mar 22, 2010 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh why can't stav just step aside

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 22, 2010 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Tony

Just likes having undertalented players around that totally depend on his will. No proof, just a feeling.

Play ball!

by IL and StL Fan on Mar 23, 2010 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

I just got off a 6 day one

but I’ll do it again… say no to stavino!

Allen Craig > Nick Stavinoha

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 22, 2010 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh come on

We all know the answer, it’s Stavinoha

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Mar 22, 2010 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

But you know it will

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Mar 22, 2010 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

tony is deliberately trying to blow everyone's mind

or mo wants him on the roster so he can say, “hey look, he made the team, and it’s better than your team – anyone interested?” then when the bag of balls is delivered, they bring up craig.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 22, 2010 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

O please o please o please...

"Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals." --Churchill

by lordsummer on Mar 22, 2010 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

McClellan as a starter please.

He’s a fungible commodity as a reliever. He’s got the pitches to be a decent backend starter where he’d likely be more valuable. I still am not so much a fan of Ottavino to the pen though.

It seems like more and more the Cardinals are wanting to “break guys in” by using them out of the pen. I’m not sure I much care for that.

Think; It's not illegal yet.

by azruavatar on Mar 22, 2010 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed, while there is upside in Garcia

there is also created value by converting KMac to a starter if he’s capable. Since he hasn’t shown otherwise I think it would be a waste to put him in the pen.

Starting Garcia in Memphis isn’t the worst thing in the world, and at the rate pitchers get hurt it’s likely we’ll see him in the bigs sooner rather than later. I don’t see Garcia over KMac being necessary at this point. Even though I do consider that an upgrade I think it’s good to try and stockpile starting pitching.

by TheBirds on Mar 23, 2010 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

reading the numbers at fangraphs

7 teams, or basically a quarter, used 10 or more starters last year. i think the average was over 7. so we will almost certainly need them both, plus ottavino too, so i wish they’d just send him to memphis too and keep salas for the pen.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 23, 2010 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

nice stat

If we didn’t have such a decisive edge in the division this year I might want Garcia immediately, but I think sending him to Memphis at the start is a luxury we can afford.

Maybe I’m overconfident.

by TheBirds on Mar 23, 2010 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Albert Pujols had an MRI today.

yeah, so.

Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers

by SleepyCA on Mar 23, 2010 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

so, is this albert crap the beginning of the end?

should we begin preparing for the worst?

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Mar 22, 2010 8:49 PM EDT reply actions  

you need a password for my bunker

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

apocalypse clause!

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

JAIME GARCIA

well done, IHB

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

thank you Y2S

this limerick was in no way** influenced by the aforementioned rec tallies

**no way = maybe just a little bit

"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR

by IHeartBoog on Mar 22, 2010 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

how about an allen craig one?

of course mention stav

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 22, 2010 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

too soon

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Mar 22, 2010 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

i had one

but it only works if doesn’t make the team. so hopefully i will never have to use it.

"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR

by IHeartBoog on Mar 22, 2010 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

if *craig doesn't make the team

"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR

by IHeartBoog on Mar 22, 2010 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

well write one where he does make the team

we need positive energy here. this is serious.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 22, 2010 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

i know its milk cartons, btw

/poetic license

"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR

by IHeartBoog on Mar 22, 2010 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like it.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
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by ClemsonGirl on Mar 22, 2010 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

JAIME speaks

http://www.globe-democrat.com/audioclips/204/

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

He handles the media well for a young guy

“I will do anything they want.”
“I like the veterans, they are awesome.”
“If LaDunc have said anything to me about my chances, I’m sure as hell not telling you.”
“I am in the best shape of my life.”

I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...

by mojowo11 on Mar 23, 2010 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

I doubt this is the case with Jaime

but wouldn’t it be funny if that were all the English they were taught…

maybe that’s why we liked So so much.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 23, 2010 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

plus he loves yadi and talked about him to his mom

but that’s not to take away from larue, he’s awesome too.

Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers

by SleepyCA on Mar 23, 2010 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

everyone talks to their mom about Yadi

right?

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 23, 2010 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

hh

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 23, 2010 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

well, I know I do

don’t you?

Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers

by SleepyCA on Mar 23, 2010 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

LaRue is not really the type of guy you want to talk to your mom about.

With the Pornstache and all.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
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Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥

by ClemsonGirl on Mar 23, 2010 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

one's dad, perhaps...

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 23, 2010 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

eh, you've done better

Hope is the worst of all evils, for it prolongs the torment of man

by gdm426 on Mar 23, 2010 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

we were going for construvtive criticism

we hope IHB keeps them coming forever & ever & ever & ever & ever & ever & ever & ever & ever & ever & ever & ever & ever & ever & ever & ever & ever & ever & ever & ever & ever & ever & ever & ever

Hope is the worst of all evils, for it prolongs the torment of man

by gdm426 on Mar 23, 2010 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jaime is really hard to rhyme with

and i’m actually kind of pround of the “might play” and “five days” because they are almost double rhymes.

these players need nicknames. makes my job easier.

"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR

by IHeartBoog on Mar 23, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

i thought jaime was to be omar?

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 23, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would mix in a bit of swing and use a line like "A river, to cry me" or something

but then I’m not very goo at this sort of thing.

Buy me?

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Mar 23, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

but it's High-May, right?

that’s the spanish pronunciation anyway.

"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR

by IHeartBoog on Mar 23, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was going high-me

as that’s easier to rhyme. I think it can be pronounced that way, no?

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Mar 23, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I suyppose you can pronounce it however you want

But I was trying to be authentic. I don’t think I would like it if people mispronounced my name.

"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR

by IHeartBoog on Mar 23, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

yours is a funny name

but it’s easy to pronounce

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 23, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thing with Stavinoha

He and all AAAA guys will forever remind me of Mike Coolbaugh after reading the book about his death. Such a tragedy. I’d love for Stavino to make a team somewhere (like Pittsburgh) and have a couple of league average seasons.

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Mar 22, 2010 10:20 PM EDT reply actions  

he should go join Dick & PK in KC

Hope is the worst of all evils, for it prolongs the torment of man

by gdm426 on Mar 23, 2010 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

y'know,

ST is cool and all and baseball life is much better than it was a month ago, but i’m ready for some night games. i’m ready to be able to come home and watch a game almost every night

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Mar 22, 2010 10:53 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I agree.......this day game after day game crap is old.....

however, I’m about to start the game on the dvr, so there’s that.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Mar 22, 2010 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree.

Day games are really ruining my productivity.

STAB STAB STAB

by spants on Mar 22, 2010 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just think...

This is how Cubs fans live.

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by ClemsonGirl on Mar 22, 2010 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

line of the night

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Mar 22, 2010 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is how Cubs fans endure?

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by ClemsonGirl on Mar 22, 2010 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions   3 recs

aaaaannnndd green

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by gdm426 on Mar 23, 2010 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

In fairness it's only on Fridays

and then assorted other days during the season. They have a lot more nite games now.

"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Mar 23, 2010 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

sometimes natural selection works?

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

nothing can stop her

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 22, 2010 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

...it's a helluva drug

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

and from the article it sounded like she wanted to upgrade

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 22, 2010 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

* saw,but you probably got that already.

I am the Batman .
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.

by CodyG on Mar 22, 2010 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

130+ texts per day, holy crap

I don’t have enough friends to do that, let alone enough things to say to my friends.

I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...

by mojowo11 on Mar 23, 2010 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

you know that 110 of them went something like:

“hey watsup”
“nothing. u?”
“bored lol”
“omg me 2”

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Mar 23, 2010 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions   3 recs

I love the bored lol thing.

I just don’t know when being bored become something that makes you laugh out loud.

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by ClemsonGirl on Mar 23, 2010 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

became*

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by ClemsonGirl on Mar 23, 2010 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

...

OMG cat

(watching the entire thing is a must)

STAB STAB STAB

by spants on Mar 23, 2010 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

ha, I remember the gif a week ago but this tops it.

I am the Batman .
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.

by CodyG on Mar 23, 2010 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

that's good

maybe it didn’t see anything; maybe it was being told something

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 23, 2010 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

that's awesome

Hope is the worst of all evils, for it prolongs the torment of man

by gdm426 on Mar 23, 2010 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

ditto, we can't even remember the last time we got a text

Hope is the worst of all evils, for it prolongs the torment of man

by gdm426 on Mar 23, 2010 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

or a pitch f/x post.

but this comment has me meeting the quota on vep bashing so more to come sunday.

I am the Batman .
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.

by CodyG on Mar 23, 2010 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

I have a 200 text per month plan

and have no idea how to use all of those… But she is a brat from Lake County so that helps to explain a lot of it.

"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Mar 23, 2010 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

whenever i feel dreary

such as when studying for a terrible terrible midterm, i go to baseball reference or the veb archives to look at my favorite memories of stl lore

such as the greatest game i ever saw (and the last one at busch ii)
http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2005/8/7/24157/98245
or

albert made me scream like a girl
http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2005/10/17/174424/05

or
holy smokes, am i really seeing albert at 2nd base, or “i played hookey and all i saw was tlr go insane
”http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/MIL/MIL200804220.shtml" target="_blank">http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/MIL/MIL200804220.shtml

or
man, i love chris carpenter, and going to skool in WI
http://mlb.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?content_id=6526789

or
hey if yesterday wasn’t awesome enough, here’s love blossoming with lego
http://mlb.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?content_id=6548163

good times. let the ’10 season begin.

"...and pujols has given st louis the lead"
The Best Defensive Play I Have Seen in Person/a>

by tgreenfield on Mar 22, 2010 11:32 PM EDT reply actions  

i can click on your link

and watch molina pick off theriot with mccarver saying “unbelievable”, but get a blank screen on any other mlb videos people link to – have there been any further theories on this?

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 22, 2010 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Still works in Chrome for me

So I still think it must be AdBlock related.

I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...

by mojowo11 on Mar 23, 2010 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

HFS

®

i came to talk basketball & some baseball games broke out

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by gdm426 on Mar 22, 2010 11:44 PM EDT reply actions  

I am disappointed

it seems like there has been no relationship advice in months

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Mar 22, 2010 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

this shit is hard to dig through

there’s really no relationship for old gdm to bring up anymore. rest assured if things change he’ll let you all know

Hope is the worst of all evils, for it prolongs the torment of man

by gdm426 on Mar 22, 2010 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

schizo?

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 23, 2010 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

multiple personalities

and they all hate each other

Hope is the worst of all evils, for it prolongs the torment of man

by gdm426 on Mar 23, 2010 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

next month it'll be verb tense.

all past perfect one day, then present progressive the next.

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Mar 23, 2010 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

yeah, um, probably not

because we have no idea what you just said

Hope is the worst of all evils, for it prolongs the torment of man

by gdm426 on Mar 23, 2010 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

when do we get to the past participles?

oh boy I can’t wait.

I am the Batman .
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.

by CodyG on Mar 23, 2010 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

that's why I love gdm

he’ll entertain the hell out of ya

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Mar 23, 2010 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

or drive you mad, either way

Hope is the worst of all evils, for it prolongs the torment of man

by gdm426 on Mar 23, 2010 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

i read kissingsuzykolber for my relationship advice

and i tots skipped the basketball discussion. the timberwolves haven’t been good in ages.

"...and pujols has given st louis the lead"
The Best Defensive Play I Have Seen in Person/a>

by tgreenfield on Mar 22, 2010 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Question:

Does being on the 40 man affect a baseballer’s pay at all? Also, can it do anything to do with the arbitration clock?

I’ve been googling for info on 40 man rosters and can find anything about money (assuming there’s something to find.)

"There's a lot of things we say that don't make sense to our viewers. Okay, primarily me." ~Al Hrabosky~

by YesWeOquendo on Mar 22, 2010 11:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Anybody who they had to tender a contract to

or any player who has spent at least one day in the majors gets a minimum salary of $65K if they are on the 40-man roster and playing in the minors. See pp 11-12 here.

The exception is the player still on his first professional contract who is on the 40-man. They get less ($32.5K). I cannot imagine it happens too often that a player is on the 40-man and still on his first contract. The cases I could think of were higher draft picks who are making more than the minimum anyway and Latin American signings like Eduardo Sanchez when they move quickly through the minors and are added.

"I learned a long time ago if you keep checking your stats all year, you're going to end up in the toilet." - Chris Carpenter, 2009.

by indakind on Mar 23, 2010 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nice!

thanks so much

"There's a lot of things we say that don't make sense to our viewers. Okay, primarily me." ~Al Hrabosky~

by YesWeOquendo on Mar 23, 2010 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

i don't believe it affects pay

but as tom pointed out today, ottavino is on the 40 (and presumably salas is not), which could drive a decision to keep otto over salas because of the option involved.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 22, 2010 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

You know, Dan, it really is

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Mar 23, 2010 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I am prepared for just about everything baseball

but I don’t know if I’m ready for another round of Dan n’ Al.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 23, 2010 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

it was the contract everyone was waiting for

what a disappointment

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 23, 2010 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

I am still holding out hope that they get traded before the season starts

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Mar 23, 2010 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

I hope they stay

their replacement is rick horton

"There's a lot of things we say that don't make sense to our viewers. Okay, primarily me." ~Al Hrabosky~

by YesWeOquendo on Mar 23, 2010 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Vince!

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by ClemsonGirl on Mar 23, 2010 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Vince!!

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 23, 2010 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Git em r jeb!

"There's a lot of things we say that don't make sense to our viewers. Okay, primarily me." ~Al Hrabosky~

by YesWeOquendo on Mar 23, 2010 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

That was seriously one of the most amusing games of the season just because of Vince.

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by ClemsonGirl on Mar 23, 2010 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

VEB was crazy that day

I’m looking to see what was up (besides vince of course)

"There's a lot of things we say that don't make sense to our viewers. Okay, primarily me." ~Al Hrabosky~

by YesWeOquendo on Mar 23, 2010 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

so it needs to be a mega-trade

I am alright with one of the biggest announcing trades in baseball history going down

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Mar 23, 2010 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Who are we trading for?

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by ClemsonGirl on Mar 23, 2010 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'd say uecker

but it’s within our division so not likely to happen

"There's a lot of things we say that don't make sense to our viewers. Okay, primarily me." ~Al Hrabosky~

by YesWeOquendo on Mar 23, 2010 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe we could a do a three way with the Indians.

Although their announcers are also bad.

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by ClemsonGirl on Mar 23, 2010 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

I know there's some vin scully (dodgers) love amongst some VEBers

git er done mo!

"There's a lot of things we say that don't make sense to our viewers. Okay, primarily me." ~Al Hrabosky~

by YesWeOquendo on Mar 23, 2010 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

he fell on his head.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 23, 2010 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

I remember a game last year,

where he seemed to have a guess there height weight thing going on for every one of the Card coming up to bat. It was a little weird.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Mar 23, 2010 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

admittedly I've not heard much of him

but he does seem to have a taste of crazy. him and shannon would be something worth seeing

i miss jack buck

"There's a lot of things we say that don't make sense to our viewers. Okay, primarily me." ~Al Hrabosky~

by YesWeOquendo on Mar 23, 2010 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

we all miss Jack

Hope is the worst of all evils, for it prolongs the torment of man

by gdm426 on Mar 23, 2010 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

nah hes fine

he worked yesterday

"There's a lot of things we say that don't make sense to our viewers. Okay, primarily me." ~Al Hrabosky~

by YesWeOquendo on Mar 23, 2010 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

yes

it was a relief

but it would suck to take him away from the dodgers

jamie and frank are already gong to chainsaw everything in half.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 23, 2010 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

we better take him away then

Scully does not need to go out that way

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Mar 23, 2010 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wish he would describe the man stew on air

instead of that travesty of FESPN

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 23, 2010 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

is that before or after the spring Colby wasted away in the tundra of Minnesota?

and then lingered entirely undramatically for days?

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 23, 2010 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

this is much funnier than the line about Grady I was going to go with

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Mar 23, 2010 1:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

OMG Hilarious

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by ClemsonGirl on Mar 23, 2010 8:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Let's get Morgan Ensberg.

Or Bert Blyleven.

"What's your favorite Chuck Palahniuk book?"

"I like the one about the alienated character who finds the socially unacceptable way of coping with modernity."

by hazel on Mar 23, 2010 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

did anyone check out the likeability scores on cardinal 70

sounds like al is going for consecutive losing seasons

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 23, 2010 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

read the sig

Hope is the worst of all evils, for it prolongs the torment of man

by gdm426 on Mar 23, 2010 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm glad Jack Wilson isn't in the NL anymore

because he can be a sicker shortstop than Boog.
and I don’t mean his face.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 23, 2010 12:24 AM EDT reply actions  

I was lurking over on BCB last night

And I made my first ever BCB comment in one of their Fanposts. It was rec’d by Al and went green.

I think I’ll quit while I’m ahead and never post there again.

I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...

by mojowo11 on Mar 23, 2010 12:25 AM EDT reply actions  

What did you say?

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by ClemsonGirl on Mar 23, 2010 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Some fan was freaking out about the Toyota ad they're putting up and how it's not tasteful/classy/whatever

And I was basically saying that a) tasteful is completely subjective, and I think the ad is perfectly fine myself, b) Wrigley Field isn’t going to have its aura of holiness ruined by a single ad beyond the left field wall, and c) there’s already ads all over the place (including some Chevy ads right on the dugouts and a casino ad — casinos don’t strike me as classy or tasteful — that the new ad will actually be obscuring).

I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...

by mojowo11 on Mar 23, 2010 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

yes, tell us so we don't have to go there.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 23, 2010 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

which fanpost?

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 23, 2010 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

and another one bites the dust

how many of us BCB virgins are left?

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

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by mattyfrommo on Mar 23, 2010 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

reading there or posting?

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 23, 2010 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

signing up over there is enough to leave you all nasty

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Mar 23, 2010 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

well, the only reason to sign up is to post

i often read there. al sorta cracks me up, and a few others like blou, and of course wreckard.

i was reading up on strasburg and a link took me to the nats sbn site, the game thread when craig and greene took him deep. they kept wondering “who are these guys” about the cards memphis team. they’re pretty good-natured, even the most enthusiastic supporters say stuff like, “hope we’re in the wild card hunt when strasburg comes up…lol”

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 23, 2010 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

The only reason I signed up

was so I could ‘Z’ through comments while getting my schadenfreude fix.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Mar 23, 2010 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

hadn't thought of that

although they don’t seem to have these 1000+ comments like here. i probably check about twice a week to see if there are any fanposts that look promising to be contentious.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 23, 2010 1:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

aha

thanks

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 23, 2010 2:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Heh

I do this also.

I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...

by mojowo11 on Mar 23, 2010 2:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Me too

I even looked into a Firefox add-on that would allow for regular expressions in the search box so that I could put in something like “>0 recs” and see everything that’s been rec’d at least once

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Mar 23, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

You could always make something like that.

And, of course, the problem with not reading unrec’d comments is that there are likely some real gems that get missed. I typically end up reading everything anyway.

STAB STAB STAB

by spants on Mar 23, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

there

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 23, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

panhandlers always get me

“spare a rec?”

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 23, 2010 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Me too!

Or I just control F “FIP”, “pitch f/x”, “hazel”, “all4tookie”, “vep”, “douchebag”

by vivaelpujols on Mar 23, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I usually ctrl F "strawman", "hitler"

always find the best arguments that way

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Mar 24, 2010 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

I had a strawman hitler I used for target practice growing up on the farm

lets just say I doubt he appreciated the Bris I gave him with a broad-head at 20 paces.

Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.

by TomCat009 on Mar 24, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Well I'm not even a member so...

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by ClemsonGirl on Mar 23, 2010 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

I only clicked the Fanpost because it was titled "Dear Tom"

Turned out to be an open letter to Tom Ricketts, but since I know tom s. posts over there, I thought it might be some kind of Cubs-Cards shot at him that I needed to get in on. Alas, it was someone moaning about a stupid sign.

I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...

by mojowo11 on Mar 23, 2010 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Cubs fans: They never fail... to FAIL.

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by ClemsonGirl on Mar 23, 2010 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

And since we have some Cubs fans who have commented here:

Please know I’m joking. Y’all are lovely.

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by ClemsonGirl on Mar 23, 2010 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

no they are not

Hope is the worst of all evils, for it prolongs the torment of man

by gdm426 on Mar 23, 2010 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

why do you care what they think?

I am the Batman .
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.

by CodyG on Mar 23, 2010 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Because they really are lovely.

Just confused.

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by ClemsonGirl on Mar 23, 2010 8:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

you should have read the actual interview with Ricketts...

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 23, 2010 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

we'ver never been, and we'll never darken their doors

evar

Hope is the worst of all evils, for it prolongs the torment of man

by gdm426 on Mar 23, 2010 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

this is what you miss, gdm

al is in arizona, and this exchange took place in today’s front page post:

How on earth does Ronnie Woo Woo get himself to Arizonza?!?!
I don’t understand how the man can successfully cross the intersection of Clark & Addison. And now he has the financial means and wits to get to Arizona? Good grief.
by BLou on Mar 22, 2010

I don’t know if it’s still the case….
… but some of the idiot "morning zoo" DJ’s used to pay his way. I have no idea who does it now. When he’s in Arizona, he mooches and steals.
Absolutely disgusting.
by Al Yellon on Mar 22, 2010

i’m hoping everyone knows of ronnie woo woo. i gave him a quarter once when he was panhandling, but i’d have given him more had i only known.

what else i took from my reading there: parise stunk it up today (couldn’t get an out), but they are all gnashing their teeth over him making the roster – sort of our deal with stav. however, the main problem is that he would be the 12th pitcher, and they pretty unanimously want 11, as does piniella apparently. rothschild however is insisting on 12. (they must chuckle over our 13-man staff angst).

nady it seems can’t throw and may begin the season on the DL.

from who’s in the mix for their bench (according to them) i think it will rival our bench of last year for suckitude. no millar or hoffpauir – a couple of names we know – unless nady begins on DL and/or they go with 11 pitchers.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 23, 2010 2:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

oh, and giving samardzija 10 mil no-trade not really working out too well

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 23, 2010 3:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

staying pure!

i better not marry a cubs fan…

"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."

by BVHeck on Mar 23, 2010 3:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

If you don't live around Chicago

you can greatly increase the odds of avoiding that situation.

"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Mar 23, 2010 3:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

opinions on Jaime

  B_Walton How are AAA starts healthier than MLB ones? RT @MatthewHLeach: Would 2 mos. of AAA starts to mitigate health risk be bad for Garcia? about 10 hours ago via TweetDeck

dgoold @B_Walton I never got sense it was about innings, it was about proving his arm could rebound start to start, and not test it at MLB level. about 11 hours ago via web

  B_Walton 19 mos after TJ surgery and counting. RT @dgoold: It was proving his arm could rebound start to start, not test it at MLB level. about 10 hours ago via TweetDeck

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 23, 2010 9:05 AM EDT reply actions  

I knew shit was gonna be real when I came to this post and it had like 100 new comments

It’s yesterday’s post. Sigh…

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Mar 23, 2010 2:15 PM EDT reply actions  

its like a bad car wreck

you just can’t look away

"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR

by IHeartBoog on Mar 23, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

no worries.

i have an OCD issue with needing to read everything.

"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR

by IHeartBoog on Mar 23, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thank God I don't

Although I kept an eye on this one

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Mar 23, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Me too....

I still have to read Friday’s post, but haven’t had time to open it yeet.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Mar 23, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Same.

And now i realize I have just made everyone else with OCD come back here and read this.
hahahahaha Power!

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
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by ClemsonGirl on Mar 23, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, she's really on a roll

"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR

by IHeartBoog on Mar 23, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I usually say these things in my head and don't actually type them out.

But I’ve been tired lately and when I’m tired it’s kind of like I’m drunk and have no inhibitions.

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by ClemsonGirl on Mar 23, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought you didn't drink...

"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Mar 24, 2010 5:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

or at least get drunk

but the “no inhibitions” makes me think this is just a hypothetical

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 24, 2010 5:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't.

But that is what people tell me about getting drunk. I figure why get drunk when I can just deprive myself of sleep and get the same effects?

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by ClemsonGirl on Mar 24, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes but I have no choice but to be sleep deprived right now to get work done.

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by ClemsonGirl on Mar 24, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Likely story...

and because drunk and sleep deprived are different… you should really try the drunk thing sometime…

"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Mar 24, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

damnit people!

stop trying to convert Cgirly into partaking in your deviant exercises. she’s one of the good ones, leave her be

Hope is the worst of all evils, for it prolongs the torment of man

by gdm426 on Mar 24, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

My sole purpose in life

is to be a bad influence on others…

"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Mar 24, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

congrats, you're doing a hell of a job!

Hope is the worst of all evils, for it prolongs the torment of man

by gdm426 on Mar 24, 2010 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

It doesn't sound fun.

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by ClemsonGirl on Mar 24, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's not

6ly Cgirly, if you drink, just drink enough till you get a good buzz going, then stop & have some water, gatorade, or VH20 & make sure you eat something with some weight behind it. then when the buzz starts to fade, have a little more to get it back. but you gotta watch how much you’re drinking because the buzz won’t come back quickly. don’t slam 5 shots or shotgun a few cans of cheap beer. keep it to vodka redbulls or whatever mixed drink strikes your fancy.

and above all else, never drive or get in the car with someone who has. you can be safe & have a grand old time, you don’t have to choose. have fun, but not too much fun.

Hope is the worst of all evils, for it prolongs the torment of man

by gdm426 on Mar 24, 2010 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know all of this.

I would never, ever, ever drive after drinking or drive with someone else who has been drinking. I’ve been buzzed before and that was fine with me and that’s about as drunk as I ever want to get.

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by ClemsonGirl on Mar 24, 2010 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

smart girl

we don’t want anything bad happening to our cgirly

Hope is the worst of all evils, for it prolongs the torment of man

by gdm426 on Mar 25, 2010 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Whatever.

Go get fucking rocked, buy pizzas for a few hundred people but skip out on the bill, use your parents credit cards to rent a Lexus, drive it into a fucking swimming pool, fly to Fiji, stay for a week or two and do some acid, fly home and ask for forgiveness. After graduation, of course.

You only live once, young lady.

by Mister Eff on Mar 25, 2010 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions   3 recs

now that sounds like fun

Hope is the worst of all evils, for it prolongs the torment of man

by gdm426 on Mar 25, 2010 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

No joke...

I’ve been using my own money for this all this time…

"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Mar 25, 2010 5:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Really???

going to recommend mixing uppers and downers… that always makes for a fun time.

"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Mar 25, 2010 5:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

fat chicks???

"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Mar 27, 2010 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Since I have never been either I couldn't tell you.

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by ClemsonGirl on Mar 27, 2010 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I drink occasionally.

Just not a lot. And getting drunk doesn’t sound fun.

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by ClemsonGirl on Mar 24, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

get drunk

just don’t black out

Allen Craig > Nick Stavinoha

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 24, 2010 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

How about I never drink enough to throw up?

Since I cannot stand throwing up.

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by ClemsonGirl on Mar 24, 2010 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

that would be good

but try not to black out either.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 24, 2010 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think at my weight if I blacked out I would probably be at the throw up stage too.

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by ClemsonGirl on Mar 24, 2010 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

well, don't test it

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 24, 2010 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

On the other hand

you may have my awesome self preservation reaction to drinking of when I get drunk I get really verbose and forget to keep drinking. I’ve only blacked out/ thrown up once and that was my 21st so in my world that doesn’t count.

"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Mar 25, 2010 5:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

that is a very good policy

like, never do more than a shot or two, and always make sure you eat a good meal first, drink water, etc

Allen Craig > Nick Stavinoha

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 24, 2010 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Basically was my plan.

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by ClemsonGirl on Mar 24, 2010 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

my interpretation was that you were

but maybe that’s just how you are normally heh

Allen Craig > Nick Stavinoha

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 23, 2010 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

New sig

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Mar 23, 2010 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good idea.

You can read it in any tone you like.

by spants on Mar 23, 2010 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

stab?

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 24, 2010 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

were you not at least, egging him on?

maybe “worked up” was inaccurate, but if you didn’t care about it, then there wouldn’t have been a mini argument.

all I know is that you both have been on here for a long time, and you both have made interesting points, so I hope that we can all get along amenably. and hopefully not take sides, because it seems like fourstick seems scapegoated. I don’t want people to have to go through that

Allen Craig > Nick Stavinoha

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 24, 2010 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

I've been scape-cowed....

…and it ain’t pretty.

:=8(

Big McLargehuge!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Mar 24, 2010 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

The goat thing is a geographical thing

Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.

by TomCat009 on Mar 24, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

No one has to take sides about anything.

It’s done and we’ve been asked to stop talking about it.

You can read it in any tone you like.

by spants on Mar 24, 2010 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

respeck

just sharing my view, I didn’t realize

Allen Craig > Nick Stavinoha

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 24, 2010 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

I read it in the tone of Alvin & The Chipmunks

which, in retrospect, made it 120% better.

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Mar 24, 2010 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's perfect.

My intended tone, however, was Wakko from Animaniacs.

You can read it in any tone you like.

by spants on Mar 24, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm Allllll Confused

Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.

by TomCat009 on Mar 24, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

....

Hope is the worst of all evils, for it prolongs the torment of man

by gdm426 on Mar 24, 2010 5:16 AM EDT reply actions  

what, no train wrecks available?

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 24, 2010 5:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

and old guy watching a wreck, how does this not work here?

Hope is the worst of all evils, for it prolongs the torment of man

by gdm426 on Mar 24, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh, it works

i got it. i was just thinking on a grander scale.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Mar 24, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

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