Rehearsing the Albert Pujols deal
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I can think of at least one fanbase that was following the Joe Mauer contract negotiations more closely than the Cardinals', and maybe two or three, depending on how closely the Yankees and Red Sox were already scouting him. But few teams have more in common with the St. Louis Machings than the Twins, who have operated for the last two or three years under the unshakable worry that Joe Mauer would eventually be calling a press conference to announce to a grateful press that he'd always wanted to be a [Yankee/Red Sock], ever since he'd fallen in love with the sweet swing of [Jorge Posada/Jason Veritek].
For Bill DeWitt it had to be a vaguely unsettling press release, like getting a message from Future Bill with a note attached saying "Only worse!" in his own handwriting. Eight years, $184 million will pay Mauer $23 million a year until he's 35, which is a lot of money and old for a catcher, respectively, but they couldn't not make this deal; there is being financially prudent and there is being the Marlins, and while the latter option might net two World Series victories nobody will be around to watch the second one.
A deal that might not be financially perfect but is necessary to maintain the fanbase to which you've become accustomed—I've heard something like this before.
One of the deals this contract most closely resembles is C.C. Sabathia'sOne thing definitely didn't come into play for Mauer, a St. Paul native who was probably miffed about Target Field being built in Minneapolis: a hometown discount. As teams look increasingly to lock young players up early and through their arbitration years, and grow more wary about overpaying second tier free agents, the first tier that's left become more valuable; once you realize Jason Bay isn't the same as Matt Holliday, it becomes more important to end up with Matt Holliday. Joe Mauer was the most valuable potential free agent this side of Albert Pujols, and he got paid like one; I can't imagine he'd have gotten much, if any, more as an actual free agent in 2011.
Where does it leave the Cardinals and Pujols? Somewhat short of the two Alex Rodriguez superdeals, if that's any consolation. Pujols is better than Mauer, and as a first baseman doesn't have any further to slide along the defensive spectrum, but he'll also be four years older than Mauer when his contract starts. He's not better-enough than Joe Mauer, I think, to get a contract that runs until he's 42 and pays him an addition 50 or 60 million dollars.
An eight year contract for Albert Pujols would—let's be honest, it will—take him through his age-40 season, which is no more reasonable than the Twins' recent acquisition of a 35 year-old catcher on a one year, $23 million deal. It's just how these contracts have worked lately—there is a little wish-casting at the end to make up for the fact that these guys are being undervalued in the prime of their careers by accepting even $23 million. Whatever you think of Fangraphs and its valuation of Pujols and Mauer, general managers, owners, and talk radio phone banks aren't prepared for the idea that a player can be worth $40 million in one year; until that changes, and some combination of team and player front-loads a shorter-than-expected contract for an incredible amount of money, there's no way around it.
Of course there's a point at which the dollar value of a deal, whether measured by Fangraphs or the amount of angry letters to the editor it generates from local doctors, teachers, and firemen (and admirers of same), becomes secondary to the other concerns that become entangled with keeping Joe Mauer or Albert Pujols around. The Twins are opening up a new park, and they probably just sold a few more season tickets; certainly they quieted the inevitable post-stadium whining about opening up the BillPohlad, at least for the time being.
The Cardinals, who have a larger baseball market and a longer run of best-satisfied-fandom-in-baseball upon which to draw, may not have as much to lose as the Twins if the Pujols negotiation gets contentious. But they have the same extracurricular benefits of a Pujols deal to think about, and because of that I can't see them getting any nearer a Hometown Discount. The Twins needed Mauer and the Cardinals need Pujols, and that's a difficult place from which to start negotiating.
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Great article
Maybe we should have a groupthink guesstimate as to the Pujols deal (as we do with the “community projections” for individual players’ next seasons)?
I’m going to go for a nice, round 8 years, $200m, with some of the cash deferred.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
Or youcould go with a 6 year deal of like 150 million
Then have 2 option’s tacked on to it. Say a player option in year 7, then a player and team option in year 8. At least that’s how I’d handle it.
+100
This is exactly cow I predict things will go. Pujols may be worth 30 mil a year, but I just don’t see it happening, not in this financial environment, and also since Pujols isn’t repped by Scot Boras. 25 mil a yea for 6 years, but option in year 7 & 8 seems very reasonable to both sides – Albert gets his moolah, and we don’t pay ARod prices, and have moore flexibility as Albert ages and (maybe) declines. I think signing Holliday has gone a long way to showing Albert that the FO is serious about winning now while he is still at his peak, and they should cowtinue to show such aggressiveness until a new deal is signed (locking up Wainy, for example, would be the next good moove).
My tail isn’t twitching too badly over this, which tells me that one way or an-udder, it will get done and we will keep our Manster.
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Pujols is worth $30m/yr now
he sure won’t be when he’s 39 years old.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Mar 22, 2010 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
destroy him, Albert
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
that's probably fair
assuming $3.5m/WAR now and 10% inflation (completely WAG), that’ll be about $7m/WAR when Albert’s 39. I guess it’s quite possible he’s a 4/5-win player at that age.
I wonder if FA values won’t kind of plateau for a couple of post-recession years, though, so they might only have bounced back to pre-recession levels by then. I suppose it’s all very expensive guess work!
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Mar 22, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
There are a lot of assumptions that go in to the model, for sure
$/win environment, positional scarcity (more of a problem with the Mauer negotiations than Albert’s), revenue growth forecasts, cost of debt, etc., and these are only the things I imagine, sure there are many more (likelihood of on-field success?).
With all that said, I’m sure there are monkeys for our FO that model the worst- best- and base-case scenarios and valuations are done at those ranges as a starting point. Then comparable players precedent deals are factored…by then the team should have a pretty good idea of what would be accretive.
I'm not a player, I just mouth-breathe a lot
30M based on WAR values, right?
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by mattyfrommo on Mar 22, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
hate all you want folks, but, I gotta say this.
Dude, the fucking cow shit, its fucking retarded, what are you, 8?? grow the fuck up and join the real world you goddamn goofy bastard.
by MO'toole on Mar 23, 2010 2:54 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It effectively puts a neon sign pointing to the comment
that says… nothing to see here move along…
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well, you made your first comment here a doozy.
you really joined just to say that?
i don’t think that any site on sbn allows personal attacks like this, and this site is no exception.
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MO'toole?
More like MOO’toole
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Mar 23, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Nuttin' Worse Than a Big Fat Hairy Ol' Cow Ashamed of His/Her Heritage...
…and striking out at udders.
We are cow, hear us moo!
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Of all your comments
this has been the only one that sparked this in my mind…
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
hilarious
moo-staches and che both in that clip.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
someone doesn't have a clue
eat the cow’s shit
Allen Craig > Nick Stavinoha
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 23, 2010 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
any player options are likely to be picked up, no?
he’ll be 38 in year 7; any sort of decent player option ($20m+) is surely going to be at least as much as he’d make on the open market, and a 2-year deal seems unlikely even for a very awesome 38-yo.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Mar 22, 2010 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
That seems about right
The Cards love deferring money. Depending on how much money gets def’d that could push the actual/real value of the contract closer to 30mil. Albert could still be getting paid by the Cards when he is a very old man.
I don’t agree with the talking heads that say it’ll be ~30mil deal. That would basically be counterproductive and I think Al realizes that.
Option years would be the factor that I am most interested in.
They say sing while you slave but I just get bored
by Scarecrow7775 on Mar 22, 2010 7:01 AM EDT up reply actions
i wonder what number he has in mind
and how willing he’ll be to keep negotiating if he feels like he’s being low-balled
i also wonder how big of a deal i’d be for him to move away from st louis, considering he has his foundation, restaurant etc here
i just wonder how many shots we have with him to hand him a number
how
is deferring money gonna make the real value of the contract closer to $30MM?
or am i just misunderstanding you?
i imagine he’ll get about 25 AAV with deferred money bringing the actual AAV paid out to around 22-23
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
I was envisioning around 25mil annually
with def’d money on top of that
They say sing while you slave but I just get bored
by Scarecrow7775 on Mar 22, 2010 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Here's my 2 cents.....
8 years 216 milllllllion dollars (insert diabolical laughter). However, I seriously doubt that we have to worry about it until after this season. I say the Mang drags his feet to get a sniff of what offers could possibly be out there.
CALL A FAIR GAME BLUE!
by One Flew Over The Cardinals Nest on Mar 22, 2010 8:07 AM EDT up reply actions
8yr/200mil sounds about right to me
"If you don't have outstanding relief pitching, you might as well piss on the fire and call the boggs." -WH
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 22, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
10 yr 200M with 5M/yr defered
why not?
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
It may be
a stroke of genius luck that the markets time out that the next contract is significantly smaller than if it had been done in 08 rather than in 2011. Would you rather have Mauer at this price or Tex?
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
wow engrish major I am not
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
I love engrish
make sure to sign up for the cbs league, tomcat!
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 22, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Do It Mo
I think we are all going to agree on @ $25 million per year. Question is how long? 6 to 8 seems reasonable. Dear Mo, just do it!
SD
Value to Pujols
In these things there are a lot of intrinsic benefits to Albert aside from the cash so I don’t think it unreasonable that Pujols will sign for an amount that does not cripple the franchise.
First of all he wants to win. He knows that every dollar he absorbs above a certain level means that Joe Thurston is likely to be sending errant missiles at him from 3B. It is in his best interests to get both a salary that works for him AND one that works for team.
Second, those great photos of the Stan the Man with Albert certainly must resonate with him. If he stays with us until Age 40, he knows that he will be an icon in St. Louis for the rest of his life. He won’t get that if he moves to another team. Every one is different, but that would seem to be a powerful attraction.
Third, he likes playing for TLR so to the extent that they keep TLR in the fold, he is more likely to want to play out the final 8 years here than anywhere else. I have never bought into the TLR might quit thing. He’s like Brett Favre. He’ll keep on ticking.
Fourth, better the devil you know than the devil you don’t. A lot of teams make great pitches that they will sign players (see Rangers for A-rod or the Dodgers now) and things change on a dime. Cards have been very consistent and have proven they are in for long haul.
If I were the Cards, I would sign him for $15-20 a year and give him a cut of the gate receipts that could max him out at $30-40 million. Therefore, his salary goes up with their ability to pay and is still pretty good if they have some off seasons. Albert gets a chance at maxxing his whole value without crippling team.
Just win
I'll be the bad guy.
But you have more faith in players then I do. I do think he will re sign but I think your reasoning is off. Players think of money #1 and #2 and then everything else. Fans and players have different needs. I think the money will be there, or close enough, for your points to be valid but only if the money is close.
Given all your points would he take 15 mill a season? I don’t think so. The only way I see him signing for something way under market is if his contract includes some “marketing deal” type thing that pays him after he retires. Or deeds over to him the arch so he can get a percent of each ticket sold to ride in that capsule to the top.
And what about a no trade clause?
by Tom_Lawless_Bat_Flip on Mar 22, 2010 8:31 AM EDT up reply actions
And what about a no trade clause?
I’d give him one. No trade clauses could be worked around, if the need be.
He is 10 & 5 after this season,
so he already has a no trade clause.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
CBA prevents the team from giving him a cut of gate receipts
That would be deemed and “ownership stake” and is illegal by baseball’s labor rules.
Also prevents the MLB from giving him a cut of his jersey sales and things like that.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Actually
I believe that it was up until 1994. I think George Brett had a lifetime contract with the Royals that included a percentage of the team, but I could be wrong on that.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
that's an excellent deal
however, what does lifetime mean? he can’t transfer it to anyone and it’s done with after he kicks it?
i just think that, even if it were allowed, dewitt would probably be reluctant to give part ownership to anyone, be it albert pujols or god, who in this case might be regarded as the same person
Topical and timely:
Today, via Calcaterra:
Why players can’t own a piece of the team
I'm not a player, I just mouth-breathe a lot
I hate CTB's Google Reader feed because it does not denote what posts are authored by Calcaterra.
I do not really care to read AP news stories or posts by the other authors. I wish I knew before I clicked on the link that opens a new tab who the author is.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
What about beer distributorships?
Are those still fair game?
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
I think Pujols and his agent would laugh at that
Gate receipts aren’t guaranteed money.
Agree a little.
But why do agents let players defer money with zero interest?
by Tom_Lawless_Bat_Flip on Mar 22, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
15M now or 13 now 4 later?
While taking the 15 now and investing it might make you the extra 2 in the long run that isn’t gaurenteed and if the team can only afford 15 you can’t just ask for 17 up front.
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
If I were the Cards, I would sign him for $15-20 a year and give him a cut of the gate receipts that could max him out at $30-40 million.
I’m fairly sure that’s against the CBA; I don’t think such a proviso is plausible.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Mar 22, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
ah.
nex def’d
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Mar 22, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
I think the TLR factor could be very important.
Because I don’t think TLR is leaving STL unless its to retire or because the FO has made some very poor decisions. If its the latter, Albert probably goes, too.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
give him a cut of the gate receipts that could max him out at $30-40 million.
I like this idea. But is this allowed under baseball’s CBA?
How, specifically, is it banned?
Can he get a bonus based on attendance?
I’m no expert on the CBA, but if you can get a bonus for winning an MVP or Cy Young, I’d be surprised that you can’t get a bonus based on other things that would approximate gate receipts even if a cut of gate receipts is prohibited
Just win
i'm pretty certain you can get an attendance bonus
which is just another way of saying a percentage of the gate. i think this happened in the last two years, but having a hard time coming up with who it would have been, unless it was manny in LA. for that matter, though, i may be thinking of beckham in soccer.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Ah yes the MLS...
the sport where all players are paid from the home office… gotta love it.
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
it was griffey
last year. now i remember. def an attendance bonus…i believe.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Griffey's deal with Seattle last year had an attendance bonus,
Why not 6 years $150 mil (with some money deferred) and a couple club options at $25 mil per year that become player options at something like $20 mil if the club options are declined. That way, he’d make Bankasaurus Rex and he protects his club by giving them the option to pay him less if he’s no good when he’s old.
options
what about transferring a percentage of ownership in the franchise to Pujols?
that keeps him around for life, and could cut down “dollar” cost of the deal couldn’t it?
or what about the idea of signing him for years beyond his playing days at a reduced $/per/year amount – and simply stating that Albert will be a part of the franchise forever whether playing, coaching, performing as spokesperson and/or living legend?
I dunno this is all interesting option's
But IIRC all contract’s both have to not violate the CBA, and be approved by the league. So that put’s a little bit of a dent into being to creative.
Didn't Maris get a brewery?
Of course rules were different then.
by Tom_Lawless_Bat_Flip on Mar 22, 2010 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd kill for a Pabst Blue Ribbon Distributorship.
Anything with a blue ribbon on it is good stuff.
by Tom_Lawless_Bat_Flip on Mar 22, 2010 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
you took the words right out of my mouth
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
You have tasted it right???
You know it tastes like stale cat pee… and don’t ask me how I know what stale cat pee tastes like it was a dark time in my life…
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
So....it tastes like most of the American beer you see in commercials?
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Mar 22, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
good thing budweiser is overseas now
or my and my Budweiser ‘B’ tattoo would be offended
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
PBR may be the worst beer I've ever tasted
that or High Life Light
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Mar 22, 2010 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
fmtwp,
me the beast
beast, fmtwp
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by prophetjohn on Mar 22, 2010 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
meet*
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Mar 22, 2010 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
the beast is pretty horrid
but drinking a kegsworth of it in college has given me immunity to its suckiness…damn T-Towners.
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Mar 22, 2010 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I knew some people from T-Town in school...
the loved Natty Light for some reason. I can only assume the drinking water there is very polluted to get them geared up to drinking it.
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
Beast is mildly better than Beast Lite.
…Beast Pong was always the worst.
Note: Above comment may contain gratuitous amounts of sarcasm.
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All Lite Beer is an Anathema to Me...
…its just beer-flavored soda. but as far as actual bad beer goes, Carling Black Label is just about the worst slop I ever tried. We cudn;t even give it away. Tequiza is pretty bad too, dunno if they still make it.
Big McLargehuge!
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I think I'm related to half of T-Town
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
Pablo Sandoval...
…got a Dunkin’ Donuts factory as part of his deal…
;=8)
Big McLargehuge!
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by The MooCow on Mar 22, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Maris didn't get a share in the team itself
Anheuser-Busch and the Cardinals were considered separate corporate entities, even though the Cardinals were a subsidiary.
by Michael_68_1999 on Mar 22, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
maris didn't get a share in the brewery either
he was given a distributorship. anybody know where?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
giving up ownership of the team is 100% against the cba.
I know that fo sho.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Mar 22, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
That rule makes no sense to me.
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
Did you see my link above?
Actually makes a lot of sense when its laid out due to potential conflict of interest.
I'm not a player, I just mouth-breathe a lot
Hornsby'd
But my point is I don’t see anyone in today’s game making a Godfather offer like that then trading the player away… However I was playing my old NHL 2K6 a few months back and tried to trade for Lemieux and it cut it off saying that Pittsburgh would not trade it’s owner which I found humorous…
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the top post is pretty dreamy today
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so dreamy i had to wait all day just to post in it
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I just remember when the Twins were stupid for passing up Mark Prior.
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
Is Prior Still Pitching...
…or is he grilling dogs along side the likes of Brien Taylor and Matt Anderson?
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I heard a blip about him last year
then he was gone again
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
dmitri young was way better
he made 52.8
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
he also has a business degree from USC
I think he’ll be fine
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Mar 22, 2010 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
You could still make that argument I think.
The Twins with Mark Prior in 2002-2004 might have had a shot at winning a World Series. Those teams were missing that second stud starting pitcher and Prior could have been that guy.
Perhaps if you take Prior away from Dusty Baker early in his career he avoids injury.
I, for one, thought Mauer was an excellent choice for them at the time. He was clearly the best position player in the draft and the Twins had a pitching rich farm system already that was graduating 1 to 2 starting pitchers to the majors every other year.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Don't forget that he is from the Twin Cities, too.
I thought Mauer was a good pick, but I’m pretty skeptical of projecting pitching talent.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I think Catchers
are also very hard to predict. Think about the best catchers of the last 25 years. Piazza was a 63rd round pick. Charles Johnson was a middle round pick. Pudge didn’t get a huge signing bonus. There aren’t a lot of great catchers who were first round type talent at one time — they seem to come out of nowhere.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
But his swing has always been a beauty to behold.
I guess I figured that third or first could be in his future, if the whole catching thing didn’t work out. Of course, this could just be a contrarian view that hardened in the face of Cub fans constantly touting Prior, and frequently taunting Twin fans about their franchise’s choice.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I think that this was the case decades ago, but now.
Look at the best catcher prospects.
Buster Posey – 5th overall
Matt Wieters – 5th overall
Jesus Montero – 1.6m signing bonus
Carlos Santana – Traded in package for Casey Blake.
But I think this speaks more for how far scouting has come rather than catchers themselves.
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
yeah
also, the examples fourstick mentioned above were somewhat isolated ones (I realise it’s three in a span of a decade or so, but that doesn’t necessarily prove anything – you could say the same about first basemen, Albert Pujols drafted 402nd overall, Kevin Youkilis drafted 243rd overall, etc)
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Mar 22, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Ok
But Wieters, Posey, Montero, and Santana really haven’t done much yet. They’re great prospects, but so was Rick Ankiel once upon a time. Non-Cardinal fans aren’t even going to remember who he is in 5 years.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
He's Euclis. The Greek God of Walks
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Moneyball'd
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
I would agree on the scouting
If all of those guys pan out, it would be the second Golden Age of catchers, after the ’65 – ’80 era that had Bench, Berra, Fisk, Munson, Simmons, McCarver, Porter, and Boone.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
You can't really include Berra in that group
His last year was ‘65, it was his age-40 year, he only had 9 PAs, and he didn’t even play in ’64
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Mar 22, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Berra was in the same generation as Garagiola
I remember a story my dad told me about Garagiola (Joe G. and Berra both grew up at the same time on The Hill in St. Louis).
Some season (I’m not sure which) Garagiola was having a really great year and some reporter asked Joe how it felt to be the “best catcher in baseball”.
Joe responded….“The best catcher in baseball? Hell, I’m not even the best catcher on my block”.
Or something like that….
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
Yah...that was a stretch I guess
I thought he played until ‘68 or ’69, but I didn’t bother to look it up.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
He's not from the Twin Cities
he is the twin cities. lebron is to cleveland as mauer is to MSP
"...and pujols has given st louis the lead"
The Best Defensive Play I Have Seen in Person/a>
by tgreenfield on Mar 22, 2010 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think taking a position player over a pitcher in the draft is EVER *necessarily* a bad move
I think there’s even a reasonable argument to be made that the Nats wouldn’t have been totally stupid to make Ackley the #1 pick last year. Smaller signing bonus, less risk, more money to blow on other draftees etc etc. No, I wouldn’t have done it, but it wouldn’t have been completely ridiculous.
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by Felonius_Monk on Mar 22, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Tom House ruined Mark Prior
more than Dusty Baker ruined Mark Prior
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
I think if you take Prior away from the ball that zinged off his elbow
he avoids injury
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
Thanks fer the Tip....
it was a field work weekend, which means I worked 7 hours on Sat and 6 on Sunday, which meant I really had no weekend, and I can’t access fantasy stuff at work (stupid government!), so I will go to CBS tonight git myself ready.
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
at least 'Nova played well....
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
are you signed up now, Moo?
"If you don't have outstanding relief pitching, you might as well piss on the fire and call the boggs." -WH
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 22, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Not Until I Get Home After Work
which is after 5 Real Time (Eastern Standard)…
;=8)
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
Hmmmm....
…all I see are mock fantasy drafts for baseball – cud the league info be sent to me again? Pretty please????
:=8.
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
stupid govt, HA!
so are you saying if i get this tsa job i applied for i won’t be able to still sit & talk on veb all day?
Hope is the worst of all evils, for it prolongs the torment of man
Hate to Break it to Ya, Kid....
VEB is in, but anything relating to fantasy, games, or, oddly enough, rpg, es verboten.
:=8/
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
today's lineup against Boston
1. Schumaker 2B
2. Ryan SS
3. Holliday (no position listed — LF or DH)
4. Rasmus CF
5. LaRue C
6. Jay RF
7. Gotay 1B
8. Henly LF or DH
9. Solano 3B
mystery lineups are up
Albert not in for reasons to be explained later. or something.
via Goold
The lineup vs. Boston (just posted here in Jupiter):
1. Skip Schumaker, 2B
2. Brendan Ryan, SS
3. Matt Holliday, ??
4. Colby Rasmus, CF
5. Jason LaRue, C
6. Jon Jay, RF
7. Ruben Gotay, 1B
8. Tyler Henley, ??
9. Donovan Solano, 3B
Starting pitcher: Brad Penny. Also scheduled to pitch: Adam Ottavino.
The team La Russa had written out Sunday evening to come north and meet him in Kissimmee [positions logic’d out]:
1. Felipe Lopez, 2B
2. Tyler Greene, SS
3. Allen Craig, 1B
4. Ryan Ludwick, RF
5. Yadier Molina, C
6. Nick Stavinoha, LF
7. David Freese, 3B
8. Joe Mather, CF
9. Kyle Lohse, P
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I believe the Astros will be on tv, and the Red Sox will be on radio
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
FSM
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
i'm tempted to watch and listen at the same time
though not sure if i have the opportunity to do this buzzed….
who’s with me?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
cool...now to jump online and set the dvr
in order to watch tonight. This technology crap is pretty cool.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
from your hovercar?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
i dont think red sox are on the radio.
or, if they are, gameday audio isn’t carrying it, which pisses me off.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
I'm listening to it right now, though.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
.....time to panic!!
per Leach
Albert Pujols was initially slated to play in the Cardinals’ Monday afternoon game at home against the Astros, but instead has been scratched due to a recurrence of tightness in his lower back.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
heh
Ruben Gotay will play first base for the first time in his career in Pujols’ absence.
"Only in practice," Gotay said of first base.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
my sources tell me Albert is not in because
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Mar 22, 2010 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
New meme!!!!
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Mar 22, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Chris Duncan to minors
http://espn.go.com/mlb/blog//name/mlbspring_training/id/5017619/march-22
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
and I'm guessing this link is broken. one sec.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
n/m, it works.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Chris' career is just
about over. He needs to mash the ball ASAP just to earn ABs at AAA.
Oh, man... he takes my idea
At least you did it better. I posted mine using a phone, so quality control was almost nonexistent.
This deal is a very good sign
I know this is a big deal, but I think its a very good sign. Albert and the Cardinals were not going to start to negotiations until they knew what Maurer’s deal was going to be worth and now the Cardinals have a frame work to start from. Not to mention Albert is 2 years older. So its not under reasonable to think that this is would what we should be able to sign Albert for.
I would hope that that Cardinals could get a deal done for $192M/8yr ($24 per), but I think the deal will have to be closer to $200/8yr to get it done, and frankly I think the cardinals can afford that assuming that they raise the payroll by $10M to keep him.
The best contract for the Cardinals might be a $150M, 6 year deal with 2 or 3 option years at around $22.5 or $20M per, but I really don’t think that would get the deal done unfortunately
FWIW
I am of the school of thought that this deal doesn’t really impact significantly on the Pujols negotiations. It’s maybe a rough framework of what our deal might look like, but I think we sort of knew that already, anyway. I think the two situations are really quite different.
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by Felonius_Monk on Mar 22, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Quite Different?
I just don’t see that big of a difference. In both situations he have a franchise player for a mid-market team up for a new contract. In both situations the player is the most popular player on a winning team and is the best player at their respective positions.
No question that Albert is more consistent and has done it for longer, but Teix and Mauer have now set the market for which the Cardinals can use those frameworks and up the deal a little to get Albert done. If Albert rejects a contract which comes in slightly ahead of $23 or $24 a year then he will look like a huge bad guy and I just don’t think he wants that
Albert's older and signing his 2nd post-arby deal
and I think, to some extent, has more ties with his club than Mauer did (I realise that’s arguable). He also (as you said) has a much longer run of excellence than Mauer, who’s actually been quite inconsistent in his career so far – there are questions over whether 2009 was an unsustainable career year, or whether it’s a measure of Mauer just hitting his peak at 27 (I think it’s a little of both), whereas with Albert we pretty much know what we’re going to get for the next 3-4 years, barring injuries, before he starts to really decline.
The positional difference is quite marked, too – Albert will continue to be a 1B for his contract, and will probably continue to be a pretty serviceable one for the length of it, too. With Mauer it’s a much bigger question mark – as others have said, he gains 2-3 wins a year by being a good defensive catcher, and the impact of a likely future move to 1B (or even 3B) or DH remains something of a nebulous one to predict and project, value-wise.
I also think there’s a major fear (from the Twins’ point of view) that Mauer would’ve been guaranteed a monster deal from NYY at the end of 2010 – they’ll likely be in need of a catcher (presuming Montero has to move to DH/1B), and willing to pay for the best in the game. In contrast, they don’t really seem to have a spot for a 1B, going forward, as it would mean getting rid of Tex (and, potentially, A-Rod, who might ultimately end up there). As for the BoSox, well, they’re probably well enough set at both 1B and C, although I get the feeling Adrian Gonzalez ends up there this year. I can’t really see where Albert ends up, other than as a lifetime Cardinal, unless the Dodgers or Mets got involved, and it’s probably fair to state there were more possible big market suitors who would/could pay Mauer’s price (LAA, NYY, ?Bos, NYM) and have a spot for him than was the case for Pujols (NYM, LAD).
You’re right that the Mauer deal is a fair framework, but I think we already knew the rough ballpark it’d take to keep Albert (somewhere north of $20m and south of $30m, and a contract that lasts likely 6-8 years), and I think there are enough differences between the two situations that this news doesn’t really crystallise the likely Pujols deal to any great extent.
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by Felonius_Monk on Mar 22, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
It's quite possible he declines in after 3-4 years
but it isn’t a given.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Mar 22, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
true
but we’re sort of doing a risk analysis here, aren’t we? The most likely scenario is that he starts to decline (possibly as soon as 3 years from now, as I’ve seen a few curves suggesting position players peak around 29-32 and it’s a gradual downhill slope from there, before really picking up pace in the late-30s). Obviously how much, how soon and how precipitously is a question, but it’s one we can answer with some degree of predictive accuracy by looking at the careers of his nearest comps, factoring in his health history, looking at projections, looking at the way various attributes (eye, power, speed, defense) generally age in similar skillsets etc.
I have no idea how to put all of this together, but that’s basically what we’re guesstimating when we’re trying to determine what he’ll likely be worth, going forward. I would assume that the vast majority of likely scenarios would have him starting to decline in his early-to-mid-30s (personally, I get the feeling I’m slightly more pessimistic than most Cards’ fans on his ageing curve going forwards, and I feel he’s also more likely than not to have a serious injury of some sort in his 30s, as most players do).
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by Felonius_Monk on Mar 22, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
I thought I saw a study recently that HOF caliber players
have a later start to their decline phase (32-33) and that it’s a lesser slope. Anyone else recall that?
Think; It's not illegal yet.
yeah, i think it was bounced around a little bit during the Holliday negotiations
I’m a little hazy, though. Still, that only gives Albert another 3 seasons at his peak.
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by Felonius_Monk on Mar 22, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Not sure if I have read that before
But, considering that a decline by Albert would mean a few years of 6 WAR instead of 8-10 would not exactly be devastating to this team.
On a side note, if you are the cardinals how many more years do you predict 8-10 WAR seasons from Pujols? I would think 4 and then hopefully a gracious slide from 8 to 4 WAR per year over his 35-38 year old seasons.
Especially when you consider that he bats for a high average and plays a less then rigorous defensive position which may help the aging curve as well
He's only exceeded 8 WAR 3 times in the last 8 seasons
and has never hit 10, and he has been unusually healthy (i.e. you have to factor in a few more days on the DL, going forward, than he’s had in the past) so I think you’re a little excessive on the 8-10 WAR valuation. I’d say he’s probably a 7-WAR guy (projections-wise) going forward, and, if Azru’s assertion of 33 as the start of his decline phase holds true, he should produce another 3 years of that.
This is assuming no major injuries, although of course the 7 WAR (which is a bit below his current very consistent 8 WAR production) probably factors in a bit more time on the DL than previously.
If he’s going to decline at a 0.5 WAR/yr rate (which is also very optimistic, I’d imagine, but possible) we’d be looking at:
yr1: 7 WAR
yr2: 7 WAR
yr3: 7 WAR
yr4: 6.5 WAR
yr5: 6 WAR
yr6: 5.5 WAR
yr7: 5 WAR
yr8: 4.5 WAR
total = 48.5 WAR
That’s worth about $170m at today’s FA values.
Assuming a 5% inflation in FA values per season, it’s $204m
Assuming a 10% inflation in FA values per season, it’s $267m
However, if we’re more aggressive on the ageing, and knock off 1 WAR per year (which is probably closer to a “normal” ageing profile, but still a totally wild-ass guesstimate):
yr1: 7 WAR
yr2: 7 WAR
yr3: 7 WAR
yr4: 6 WAR
yr5: 5 WAR
yr6: 4 WAR
yr7: 3 WAR
yr8: 2 WAR
total = 41 WAR
That’s worth about $145m at today’s FA values.
Assuming a 5% inflation in FA values per season, it’s $173m
Assuming a 10% inflation in FA values per season, it’s $226m
So, you pays your money and takes your chances….
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by Felonius_Monk on Mar 22, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Sorry
I should have been more specific about which WAR rating I was using. I normally use Sean Smith’s database for my WAR data instead of Fangraphs. I find that the other sites i visit normally use it, like beyond the boxscore.
anyway fangraphs and Sean smith are close but Sean Smith’s WAR seems to be a higher scale so under Sean Smith’s ratings Pujols has 7 straight years above 8 WAR and that is what i was referring to.
I'm so biased, but I see Pujols aging well
He’s so good at every aspect of hitting that I think he’ll be able to compensate when his athleticism starts to dry up. I could very easily see him at age 40 still being .290/.420/.550 guy to be a 4-5 WAR player.
Not afraid to nitpick
tbh, I think that's a very distinct possibility
I think he’s the best right-handed hitter I’ve ever seen, so it’s kinda hard to determine comps for him. He is the dictionnary definition of an outlier, pretty much.
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by Felonius_Monk on Mar 22, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
if Julio Franco can play until he's eligible for social security
then so can Albert
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
breakfast
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
EAT MOR CHIKN
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
would be interested in having a link to that study, az, but
consider a player like Hank Aaron – in his age 30 year (1964), he had an OPS of .907 – in his age 39 year (1973), he had an OPS of 1.045 – in between these years, his lowest ops was .852 and his high was 1.079 (indeed from his age 21 season, his OPS was in that range) – very consistent year in and year out, though he did begin playing noticeably fewer games in 1971 – he finally shows a decline in his OPS in his age 40 season – now I have no idea if Aaron is any sort of comp for AP, but it is far from a given that HOF’s begin to decline anytime before their late 30s – and factor in that conditioning is taken much seriously these days
FWIW
Pujols’ top comp up to age 30 at BR is Frank Thomas.
The Big Hurt is something of a cautionary tale, as he fell away somewhat precipitously after age 30 and only broke 4 WAR twice after that period. Obviously, I’m not saying that WILL happen to Albert, but that possibility has to be factored in – if there’s, say, a 10% chance he succumbs to nagging injuries over the latter part of his career in the way Thomas did, that’s still a distinct possibility for his future.
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by Felonius_Monk on Mar 22, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
thanks, FM
The Big Hurt is a scary comp for Albert – but he was some player in his prime
Obviously Aaron/Bonds would be the more optimistic view :-)
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by Felonius_Monk on Mar 22, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Ummm part of Bonds
would be an optimistic view. I really don’t want a surly jackass running around for the last 5 years of the contract.
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
beat me to it.
.609 OBP in 2004, his age 39 season. Gimme gimme gimme.
I'm not a player, I just mouth-breathe a lot
I also don't wan to have to defend
the magic growing head to my friends. I’m also a guy who would rather root for decent guys who aren’t on the front pages than a bunch of creeps and cheaters. Really I just enjoy people who Play the Game the Right Way ©
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
But you're an emotionless robot...
You can’t feel the joy of rooting for people who Play the Game the Right Way ©. You can only feel the cold results of a binary win or loss system.
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
It's nice when they coincide
but I’ve never been one who cared when players took steroids. Just me though.
Think; It's not illegal yet.
Nor have I...
I just don’t want to have to defend the players I root for. I personally don’t care what they do I just don’t like them making my life more difficult because they wear the laundry I root for.
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
Big Hurt in his prime
is as bout as close to Pujols as anyone has been
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
juan gone also crops up in a list of comparables, iirc.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
Great rundown!!
Throwing in my $.02…I think the per annum for Pujols is pretty well set at $25M…it’s a fair number for both parties. The question remains how many years. I think the team is looking at 6 and Pujols at 8. Perhaps a 7/$175M with a mutual option for 1/$25M is quite likely…?
If you see a guy open the car door for his girlfriend, either the car is new or the girlfriend is.
by cardzfanbub on Mar 22, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Good Points
Of course you cannot argue with the fact that Mauer is younger, less consistent and has a positional question mark in his future.
My point though is that this contract and Tiex’s contract give the Cardinals a nice framework to use, and importantly puts the number per year closer to $23M then $30M and I think that is important for the Cardinals. The closer the Cardinals can get to have this contract avg out to $23M/year the better. Without these deals the Cardinals would simply have A-Rod’s deals to compare to and the Cardinals simply cannot pay that type of money
Yeah
but I really don’t think we can pay (or would ever have to pay) $30m in any case. I also don’t think the Yankees need him enough to make that a realistic possibility. I think it was always going to be in the $25m/yr ballpark, and I dunno if this changes that too much. We’ll see, I guess!
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by Felonius_Monk on Mar 22, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Yep
I see 23-25/year as the best estimate as well and maybe the Mauer deal didn’t change that, but I just see it as cementing the price. whether that is good or bad for the Cardinals I am not sure
In terms of teams we would be worried about, I would think the Red Sox would throw everything they have at Albert to sign him, considering they need a 1B. Also remeber teams like the Dodgers and Giants might also reach to spend crazy amount for a player like Albert
I dunno about the Giants
but I think you could definitely be right about the Dodgers – I think both they and the Mets might be players for Albert, although that somewhat depends on their recent issues in terms of the finances of their respective ownership.
Dunno about the BoSox – I think it sort of depends on where they have Youk pencilled in long-term, and whether they make a play for Adrian Gonzalez this year (which I think they will), but you’re certainly right that there’d be nothing totally restricting them from making a play for Pujols. FWIW, I’d rather see him move to the AL (in fact, if we couldn’t agree a deal, I’d rather they just traded him to Boston next off-season for, say, Buccholz and Bard or something).
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by Felonius_Monk on Mar 22, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
My guess
a 7-year, $189mil deal, paying out 30, 29, 28, 27, 26, 25 and 24. With perhaps an option for an 8th year.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Mar 22, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
And, do you want them in your uniform when they retire?
The thing is either you lock up Pujols for ever or the last 2 years of his playing career will be withTampa Bay and Pittsburgh.
by Tom_Lawless_Bat_Flip on Mar 22, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
This may be a real risk
but I’m going to take it:
I predict that Albert Pujols will never play for the Pittsburgh Pirates. There. I said it.
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by Felonius_Monk on Mar 22, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Michael Jordan couldn't be reached for comment.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
i'm so behind in basketball (i thought the sonics were still in seattle)
but what do you mean?
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
If a team played defense now
the way the Knicks and Pistons (among others) did when Jordan was in his prime, they would be kicked out of the league.
Handchecking rules outlawed, "hard fouls" are flagrants
Prime Jordan would score 40 a game now.
Not afraid to nitpick
I blame the European players
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Mar 22, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I blame $$$
Flopping is all on the Euros though and the worst part of those douches flopping is that it’s made refs hold on to their whistle for normal fouls that someone doesn’t try to sell. The NBA is lucky Dwight Howard is an overly happy guy because if he wasn’t, he’d snap and beat a referee to death on the floor for the pussy calls that go against him.
Not afraid to nitpick
Actually, I shouldn't just confine it to Europeans
Manu Ginobili is one of the worst. I’d say the players who come from a country where soccer is their number one sport are the chief culprits.
Also, re: the refs choking on their whistles, I was watching Hawks-Spurs last night, and Tim Duncan was blatantly fouled and nothing was called. In real time I couldn’t tell, so I thought he was just being a crybaby like usual, but when they showed the replay, Marvin Williams (I’m pretty sure) grabbed his arm on the shot, and even he thought it was a foul (based on his body language after). It was…interesting (and went for the Hawks! Yes!)
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Mar 22, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Ginobili isn't european?
blame it on the non-northern americans and non-asians.
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
He's Argentenian (an Argentine?)
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Mar 22, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
you don't count....
you’re just a foreigner who won’t tell anyone where you’re from.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
do you play in the NBA?
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
your gaydar must be incredible
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
you're from romania?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
i didnt notice any slurs aimed at non north americans in the post
so this will probably reduce any reaction to it.
You're not Russian, either.
Or so you claimed the other day. Which makes me think you’re Ukrainian.
STAB STAB STAB
cat fight!
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
You've shown your hand
Obviously you are from Madagascar
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Mar 22, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm going with
Swedish
(for optical cat fight reasons)
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
just google image
Swedish women, and you’ll know why Regalia went there.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
brazilian would be fine
likely better fighting skills too.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
with this, i hope the "guess my national origin" game is over.
if d-dee doesn’t want to say – if she did, she would have, guys – she doesn’t have to, and i hope you’ll respect that.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
me three
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
fez?
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
This is a ridiculous argument
I think Jordan would actually have a tougher time scoring now than he did back then, especially pre-triangle Jordan who didn’t have a post up game. The zone defenses make it really difficult to attack the basket with any regularity since you can just put two defenders on one side of the floor without having them guarding anyone as long as they aren’t in the lane.
Also, the league has evolved defensively to the point where you can isolate scorers who have trouble shooting from long range and don’t have a post game. Jordan had a nice mid-range game, but he’d have to be able to stretch you out to the three point line in today’s game, like all the great scorers in the game right now can do. Kobe, ‘Melo, LeBron, Durant, Wade can all extend out to the three and hit it at better than 36%. You never had to cover MJ out there, but the defensive rules at the time maintained that you had to actually “guard” him — you wouldn’t have to do that now. I don’t think that ‘87 MJ averages 37 a game in today’s league. I do think that ’91 – ’93 MJ would have lead the league in scoring and that ’96 – ’98 MJ would have led the league in scoring as well. The guy who would really benefit from the new rules in his prime would have been someone like Karl Malone or Bernard King because they were impossible to defend on their own or off the pick and roll.
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So you're saying Jordan in his prime would lead the league in scoring...
Which is pretty much what joker and myself were implying.
i'd go with benoit benjamin
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Seriously
This is what pisses me off — that isn’t at all what he said, actually.
He said he’d average 40 a game. He would NOT average 40 a game in today’s environment with a similar team that he had in the 80’s, when the league had much higher scoring than it does now. Kobe is a better offensive player at this point than Michael Jordan ever thought about being. He can beat you in every conceivable way, yet in his prime he only average 35 a game. That’s about the peak that you can average in today’s game. You’re also not factoring in how much MJ lived at the foul line in his glory days. He took 10 to 12 FT attempts every game, and a lot of that had to do with the rough play at the time. Back off his FT attempts to 7 or 8 a game and he’s going to struggle to average even the 37 that he did in ’87.
Would he lead the league in scoring? Probably, because of his force of will to do so. It has nothing to do with the rules. He would have averaged 55 a game in 1965 due to the fact that he would have taken 20 more shots a game and would have been the best athlete in the league at the time, but he didn’t PLAY in 1965, did he?
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i notice you failed to address benoit benjamin
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Mar 22, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It kinda addresses itself, does it not? ;-)
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Who's the only person who could keep Michael Jordan under 20 points a game?
Dean Smith
/rimshot
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Mar 22, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually
I would bet that Scottie Pippen would have frustrated the holy hell out of Jordan had Scottie played for the Knicks or Pistons. Pippen was the best defender of his era and probably a top 2 or 3 defender all time.
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I just enjoy watching you argue against yourself.
You say something is “ridiculous” then agree with the basic premise.
by Mister Eff on Mar 22, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I didn't agree with the premise
The premise was that he would average 40 PPG.
There’s no “basic premise” involved. I do not think he would average 40 PPG and I put my reasons out there as to why I think that way.
I’ve yet to see a good argument as to why he would, just a couple of jerks giving me shit for having a position on the subject.
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jerks is a little strong
but if i am included, i prefer to be called a prick
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
not talking about you...
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that's why I hope you never become a front page poster with mod powers
there’s no need for the jerks comment.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Mar 22, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes, there is
If you’re being a JERK, then you deserve to be called a JERK.
If you don’t want to be called a JERK then don’t be one. Period.
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not you either.
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Are you referring to me?
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
is this still about basketball
or should i read it?
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Mar 22, 2010 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions
i just want to know what ppg is
pitches per game?
para ple gic?
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Mar 22, 2010 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
no, there isn't
if that’s the case you would deserve it on a daily basis.
Try to be civil for a week, I bet you can’t do it.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
Wait
See, I was perfectly civil until MisterEff decided to go here:
So you’re saying Jordan in his prime would lead the league in scoring…
Which is pretty much what joker and myself were implying.
Incorrect argument — plus, he inserted himself into a conversation that he wasn’t in to begin with. Get your facts right, or don’t post.
I just enjoy watching you argue against yourself.
You say something is "ridiculous" then agree with the basic premise.
Same thing. He has no idea what the argument is because he either hasn’t read the original post or he’s just trying to be difficult when there is a good debate going on. Either way, that’s not civil.
He’s not providing anything to the conversation, so I called him a jerk, because he’s being a fucking jerk. I could have used harsher language, but then again, I’m always the fucking bad guy even though I was attacked personally first.
You know what. Go fuck off. Seriously. I get tired of being pigeonholed for not being “civil” when I have just as many civil debates as everyone else does — I get all the shit for it, which allows everyone else to give me a hard time because I can’t respond without being labeled as the instigator. The proof is there, go read it.
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I'm not gonna get into the middle of this,
but I think the point is, there has to be a more civil way to say
You know what. Go fuck off.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
and I actually think I was out of line with the
“in that case you deserve it on a daily basis”
I don’t actually think you do. And even after this whole thingamajig, I still like most of what you bring here.
I’ll never understand why you feel the need to get pissed off enough to tell people to go fuck off though.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
Mainly because
I get tired of getting cast as the bad guy. All I’m trying to do is have a civil conversation and then the put downs start.
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you get cast as the bad guy
because you won’t ever walk away from an ugly argument, and you call people jerks and tell them to fuck off when they have neither used profanity nor any sort of ad-hominem attack that I can see.
Seriously, if EVERYBODY thinks “you’re the bad guy”, as you put it, do you not conceive of the even vague possibility you might’ve once or twice done something to deserve that reputation? Or do you think that everyone has just randomly taken a dislike to you, despite the fact no-one knows anything about you, where you’re from, what you do, or much past anything other than your name and what you post on here? Which is the more likely explanation, all subjectivity aside?
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Mar 23, 2010 6:58 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
meh.
actually, this isn’t really any of my business. Might as well disregard that.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Mar 23, 2010 7:01 AM EDT up reply actions
back off brit!!! before we strip the Falklands away too!!!
and Wales!!!
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
by TomCat009 on Mar 23, 2010 7:28 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
hey my first rec,
thanks man I forgive you for that whole Namibia thing
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
Where did I say to absolve me of all blame?
My point is that I’m not the ONLY one to blame, and that’s generally how this crap gets started. If everyone is going to allow people to make drive-by comments and start crap with other posters that they have no business getting involved in, THAT DOESN’T FURTHER THE DEBATE ON THE SITE.
Look back through the comments — I get personally attacked just as much as I attack others. You’re right — nobody knows me personally except for a select few people on this site, yet I’m always cast as the asshole. I’m simply trying to have debates on topics. No, I’m not going to walk away from someone challenging my ideas or thoughts without proper evidence and I’m certainly not going to drop arguments when others make a point that can’t be backed up. Isn’t that what we’re here for? To learn more about the game? Why does everything have to be so politically correct that we have to tiptoe around those members who are clearly here only to raise a ruckus all the time?
I told someone to “fuck off” only after being personally attacked . It shouldn’t have to get to that level, and I’m sorry for that, but I’ve yet to see others in this particular thread get a warning from anyone when they’ve been less than civil as well. Passing judgment on my character is a PERSONAL ATTACK regardless of whether it’s profane or not.
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First of all, we're here for baseball, not what-if basketball talk.
Second, tom s. already explained to you that you were not personally attacked. Third, we all know you don’t see it. There’s really nothing more to say about any of this.
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Thanks
I wasn’t talking to you, but thanks for reiterating everything so clearly.
Mister Eff’s comment can be taken personally, it was, therefore I am not the only one to blame here.
End of story.
If we’re going to have a conversation about civility, then we need to be consistent.
Thanks.
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Anything can be taken personally.
You came in throwing sharp elbows and you got one in return. You didn’t like it and you freaked out. Then, post-freak out, you cry “It’s not all my fault,” point your finger at the other guy, and never take responsibility. That’s what happened. It’s what happens every time.
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by spants on Mar 23, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Flagged.
This conversation is over.
You clearly have personal issues with me, and you don’t even know me.
I’VE NEVER ABSOLVED MYSELF OF BLAME ON THE ISSUE. I’VE EVEN APOLOGIZED. I’VE YET TO SEE ANYONE APOLOGIZE TO ME FOR MAKING A PERSONAL ATTACK ON MY CHARACTER. THAT’S MY PROBLEM.
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by fourstick on Mar 23, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I have a problem with your behavior on the board.
I don’t know you personally.
And I’m okay with you flagging me. It’s completely personal and not based on anything I’ve done wrong, but that’s fine.
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Ah
now you know how it feels.
My behavior is directly related to the behavior of others. I don’t just go off half cocked all on my own. I get tired of people making a stupid argument and then personally attacking me when I refute it, especially when it wasn’t even their argument to begin with.
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It doesn't matter if there is instigation.
You’re trying to justify your actions by blaming the instigator. You don’t have to react. You choose to hit “post.”
And no, I don’t care if you flag me. You’ve been flagged 19 times BEFORE telling someone to fuck off yesterday. Pretty sure one flag from you isn’t going to get me banned, especially when I’ve been nothing but reasonable.
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So now you want to ban me?
Awesome. Thanks.
That’s not very respectful of you.
I shouldn’t have to even have the choice — instigators should be punished as well, that’s also in the community guidelines.
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You clearly don't care
what anyone else has to say. And the banning was implied in your comment. You should be more careful when you type, someone might take offense to it and flag you over it.
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Oh I see
Because I have a bad reputation my flags don’t mean anything.
Dangerous precedent your setting there.
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Actually
this whole entire thread is you’ve set the precedent that
- I have been and always will be in the wrong, no matter the reaction from anyone else.
- That you don’t need to worry about being banned when someone flags you.
- That flags given by people who have more flags than you don’t really count.
Funny, I don’t find any of those in the community guidelines.
Keep being pithy, this is kinda fun.
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Forget it
You’re right, I’m wrong.
Let’s just drop it.
Sheesh.
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This has been addressed privately twice now.
This conversation is closed at this point. I don’t want to see any more comments on it.
Think; It's not illegal yet.
Thank you azru
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Mar 23, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
You Can't Flag Spants!
She has girl parts!
:=8O
And, you know, girls are nice.
See, this is why I do my cow-thing, too many people take themselves too seriously on the internet.
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
you're the only one here
i take seriously, moocow.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
WHAT???
so, you’re not a real cow???
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Mar 24, 2010 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions
This is not true at all
That’s what happened. It’s what happens every time.
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and I don't really wanna start a whole argument about this
I just hate the name calling on here. You mostly post great stuff, and then stuff like this negates a lot of your value. You can disagree without the name calling, agreed?
You have the potential to be a fantastic blogger, but you let these rants bring you down.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
I have such the perfect reply.
But I’m using my better judgment not to post it here.
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by spants on Mar 22, 2010 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Aw
Don’t hold back a stabbing!
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Mar 22, 2010 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions
well send it to my email already!
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
You should know where to find it!
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by spants on Mar 22, 2010 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree
But telling someone that you “like seeing them arguing against themselves” is pretty much name calling itself, would you agree?
Sorry man, but it seems like I’m always the guy that gets told to calm down even when someone else starts it. Nobody’s telling Mister Eff to cool it, and he’s just as culpable here — he’s just not going to come out and tell me where to stick it. Sorry, I’m more direct. If I think you’re being a jerk off, then I’m not going to pussy foot around it. I don’t see the problem with that.
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you just seem....
awfully tense all the time. You shouldn’t take life so serious. You will never get out of it alive
by FlimtotheFlam on Mar 22, 2010 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Except that namecalling is against the guidelines.
I wonder how many times I could tell someone to “fuck off” before I get banned…
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I don't know why but I found this hysterical
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by jd is legend on Mar 22, 2010 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions
it personally reminds me of
Waynes World for some reason
by FlimtotheFlam on Mar 22, 2010 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions
the problem is there is a problem with it, whether you see it or not.
having an intense conversation, saying that someone is playing fast and loose with the facts, saying their argument is ridiculous is like having sharp elbows. i wish it wouldn’t happen, but intense and enthusiastic debate is part of the site.
saying "fuck you, jerkoff’ is not argument and there is no way that it enhances the content of this site or makes anybody (including you) want to come read it.
it’s not okay, and i don’t care if you don’t see a problem with it.
it needs to stop.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
Fine, I'll stop
I then expect the mods to have these conversations with the other person involved in this argument, not just me. Singling me out doesn’t solve the problem, it just makes it easier to blame one person, and frankly tom, I’m sick of being the one blamed.
I made a good argument that was responded to with: “I love seeing you argue with yourself”. That’s a personal attack any way you slice it. I’ve yet to see anyone tell Mister Eff he was out of line. You have to be consistent, and you haven’t been on this issue.
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there's a difference between flat-out name calling and argument.
the gist of mister eff’s comment was – even if it was tinged in less-than-convivial terms – was aimed at your argument, not at you; namely, that it was a phony argument or that you were picking at straws, creating an argument where there was none.
there is a difference between saying, “oh, not this lame argument again” which is not particularly nice but at least partially addressed at an argument, and “fuck you, you fucking jerk.”
there’s a line there that you’re missing where you devolve, not other people, into exclusively insulting people in ways that have nothing to do with argument.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
I like both of those guys
"If you don't have outstanding relief pitching, you might as well piss on the fire and call the boggs." -WH
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 22, 2010 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions
who cares who you like?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
you do
Allen Craig > Nick Stavinoha
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 22, 2010 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I simply called him a "jerk" tom
fuck you, you fucking jerk.
Never said that. mattyfrommo decided to judge me inappropriately. I should have sent him an email I guess instead of airing it on the site. We’re clearly too politically correct around here to solve our problems in the open.
That’s exactly how he was acting. Like a jerk. What am I supposed to do? Just let my character get demolished?
You’re right, I could have handled it better. But so could everyone else. It’s clear that there’s an instigator here. My argument was not phony or grasping at straws — which is what I said afterwards. He could have left it at that, but NOOOOOOOOO — it’s got to go farther so we can all save face. It’s stupid and juvenile, but most of it goes back to getting involved in an argument for the sake of pissing off another poster, which was exactly the intent of the post that started all of this.
Here’s the problem: You either deal with these things consistently as a mod or you don’t. I would have been perfectly fine with both of us getting warned and letting that be that. But I’m NOT going to stand for getting typecast as the “troublemaker” all the time when others are instigating and have been involved in negative arguments just as often as I am.
His comment had absolutely nothing to do with the argument at hand and everything to do with personally attacking me. Sure, it’s more polite, but I’m never going to win a war with the PC police, and that’s not the issue here. If you can get away with sniping at people by using polite language, how is that any better than just being direct about it and getting it over with?
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How 'bout you worry about following the guidelines?
This isn’t some weird internet duel. You don’t have the “right” to counter-attack your opponent.
I’d like to point out that this shit is ruining VEB. It creates a hostile environment that inhibits true debate.
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I will follow the guidelines
as long as everyone else follows the guidelines.
I’VE CREATED A HOSTILE ENVIRONMENT?
That’s laughable. I tried to have a true debate on the issue. Someone decided to chide me about “arguing with myself” How is that part of the debate? That’s personally attacking me. Why can you not see the forest through the trees?
You clearly have a personal problem with me. If I wanted to handle this like everyone else, I’d just flag every comment of yours.
I guess that’s how I’ll go about doing things from now on. If you are attacking me you will get flagged. Bet on it. I’m tired of being the scapegoat for all of VEB’s problems.
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I didn't say that YOU have created a hostile environment.
See, this is what we’re talking about. I said “This shit” is creating a hostile environment.
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Oh give me a break
You talk about me, then talk about a hostile environment. You’re saying you’re NOT talking about me?
How would you see that comment?
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You claim to care about the community,
and then you call people names and tell people to fuck off. How do you not see the incongruency there?
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YES
I’ve apologized in about four different places. I was out of line.
Mister Eff hasn’t apologized to me, and he set the whole thing off.
Why do I have to apologize and he doesn’t? His comment was clearly personal as I’ve pointed out numerous times.
If nobody else had to apologize for their actions why the hell should I have to? Why am I always the guy who has to throw in the towel and admit blame?
Just be consistent. That’s all I’m asking.
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Seriously
You have a problem with me. Fine.
I follow the guidelines as much as anyone else, but I shouldn’t be the only one that has to apologize when others break the guidelines.
Period. End of discussion.
I’m not above the law here, nor have I ever said I was, anywhere in this thread or any thread. You believe what you want, I know where I stand.
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Who else has called someone
an asshole and told someone to fuck off on this board? Within a week for that matter! You’re clearly above “the law.”
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I don't keep track of that type of stuff
I’m sure it’s happened. I’m sure it’s happened in the same comment before.
Maybe you should police all of us since you are clearly above the fray and never get upset or out of line.
I’m clearly the douchebag here, so let’s just leave it at that.
happy?
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Good, glad we cleared that up
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I apologize for saying I enjoy watching you argue with yourself.
Next time I’ll just enjoy it in quiet.
by Mister Eff on Mar 23, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
If you don't believe in being fair,
then I have nothing more to discuss with you.
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I judged you inappropriately?
I said I thought that calling someone a jerk was uncalled for. I then got out of line and said thatI bet that you couldn’t be civil. I called myself out on that and then apologized.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
I wish I would have read this whole thing first
disregard this comment, I am pretty sure that coming into this thread again is a bad idea. We need to get over it and let our heads cool.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
I really have no issue with your comment at this point
I overreacted and I apologize. The immediate apology was appreciated.
I fully realize I can be abrasive at times, but my point throughout this thread is that there are others on here that make personal attacks that are never called out, mainly because everyone seems to focus on the person MOST to blame in the situation. Usually that ends up being the person doing the direct name calling. Drawing the line there allows people to get away with a lot of things that are not ok just because they are being in-direct about it. What Mister Eff said was no ok, and I don’t think anyone else would like to be addressed in that tone either. Should I have walked away? Probably, but I thought there was an interesting debate to be had and he wasn’t interested in that at all.
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Next time
I’ll just say: You’re argument has not merit. Then walk away.
I don’t see what that does to further conversation or debate on the site. If someone wants to post opinions that don’t hold up to scrutiny that should be pointed out.
That is merely all I was doing, and Joker and I had a nice little debate about it — I have no issues with the debate itself, just the intentional person jabs taken by someone who isn’t invested in the argument at all.
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Being able to walk away is important
Sometimes people are unwilling or unable to see your perspective in an argument (this is not to be taken as a comment on anyone here, or even this particular argument). When that’s the case, it can be ridiculously frustrating. Infuriating, even.
That said, there’s never an excuse for anyone — you or otherwise — to attack someone personally in a debate. You can say that you think their view is stupid (and explain why), but once you’re calling them stupid, it’s just a flamewar. And a flamewar doesn’t help ANYTHING — it doesn’t make them understand your point any better (any may, in fact, make them more resistant to it), it makes you look like the bad guy, and it brings down the overall quality of the site. So why go there? At some point, if you feel you’ve spelled out your argument and they are incapable of seeing your point (for whatever reason), you just have to be willing to walk away knowing — or “knowing” — that you’re right.
Anyway, that was probably redundant of what others have said, and I like you a lot as a user, fourstick, so don’t take this as an indictment—it’s just a statement of how I see the flamewar issue. Just thought I’d throw in my $0.02.
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
by mojowo11 on Mar 22, 2010 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
funny link
tagline?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Here's the thing
Joker and I had a nice debate about the issue, and I think we both respect each other’s positions on the matter.
It was another poster sticking his nose in to needle me that ignited the flame war, and justifiably so. That was clearly the intent of the post “I love watching you argue with yourself”. That’s just as personal as me calling him a jerk.
I have no problem walking away, but me walking away while being labeled the “asshole” just doesn’t sit well with me, because those who know me personally know I like a good argument but that I’m not arrogant or prickish about making an argument. I feel like in these situations I become labeled, unfairly, for not being civil, when generally the other poster isn’t being civil either and he just gets away with it.
I’ve had problems with VEP and azruavatar arguing really complex issues where things have gotten out of hand. The difference is that those two are willing to admit that we’re all kinda emotional about some of these issues and that perhaps we take things too far sometimes because of that passion. It’s mutual. When I’m getting blamed for everything I say and everyone can just attack me at will, which seems to be happening a lot here lately, then how does that add to the quality of the site?
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You could've walked away when he made that comment,
and you most definitely wouldn’t have looked like an “asshole.” You made a choice.
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Again,
wrong.
I’ve walked away from many arguments. I’m still the scapegoat every time this shit comes up. I’ve had it. Be consistent.
I made the choice to debate someone one a comment. I did not make a choice to get personally attacked.
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Where does it say in the guidelines
“If attacked personally, vehemently defend your internet personal honor using any means necessary, including violating community guidelines?”
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Are you serious?
All I’m asking for is that other people who break guidelines get addressed the same as me. I don’t see what the problem is with that.
I will now flag comments instead of responding and I expect the mods to deal with it accordingly.
This debate is over. You clearly have personal issues with me and I’m not going to debate your personal feelings on the matter.
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By having this conversation
you are violating community guidelines.
Just so you know.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
not to butt in here
but would it be more productive for everyone to give this topic a rest for a while? This clearly isn’t going anywhere good.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Mar 23, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
All I've done is outlined my position
If spants has a problem with that, fine. I really don’t care one way or the other.
If spants wants to act all high and mighty and above the fray about it, well, spants has a right to do that too.
I really don’t care.
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I don't like being talked down too
Clearly, neither do you.
There’s no reason to be patronizing.
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Clearly and directly
patronizing.,
You don’t care what I have to say, so why do you keep engaging me? What’s the point? To beat me up and make me feel bad about myself? How is that civil?
This is exactly what I’m talking about. I suppose I should just apologize for the 6th time in this thread. Then maybe you’ll get off my back.
I’m sorry. So sorry for having a position on the matter. I was clearly in the wrong and have nobody to blame but myself.
Can we drop this now? It’s really exhausting to continue to type when nobody fucking cares what you have to say.
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Clearly ignoring things fixes problems
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it's not over
till the cows come home
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Mar 23, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
and a "well done, sir" for you
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
it's clear who likes to go back and forth the most about nothing
that’s what I’ve learned lol. that said, both of you bring a lot to the site so just chill out, sheesh. we’re all Cards fan here!
Allen Craig > Nick Stavinoha
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 23, 2010 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I forgot we're not allowed to have opinions around you.
I think Jordan would score more points in today’s game. The end.
You can have an opinion
i’d just like you to back it up with some evidence, which you won’t do, because you post in all one liners and then poke fun at others when the disagree with you.
I disagreed with you, brought up reasons why, then you said I was agreeing with you so you don’t have to backup joker’s ridiculous assertion that I was disagreeing with.
It’s fucking nonsense that I don’t allow you to have an opinion. You’re entitled — just don’t get all snooty when someone makes your opinion look foolish and shortsighted with actual evidence.
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I don't think you made anything look foolish.
You have an opinion. I have an opinion. I’m not sure why either of us has to be wrong. They’re just opinions; nobody has to win them.
Again
My argument has actual research behind it, yours looks like Joe Morgan rattling off crazy theories.
I’m not saying I’m right, I’m saying provide me evidence that I might be wrong. I don’t think you can for two reasons:
- You don’t know what you’re talking about because you clearly haven’t looked at the scoring trends of the league.
- You’d rather paint me as the asshole and walk away than have an actual debate.
I’m tired of this attitude around here. There’s very little debate anymore, just people making a statement, calling it opinion, then getting all pissed off when someone refutes their ill-gotten opinion with actual research and facts.
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That's just, like, your opinion, man.
And you’re right, I don’t to debate. I just want to make comments on a blog.
Fine
Then stay out of conversations that are “debates”.
And don’t make personally jibing comments if you don’t bother to back up your assertions and statements.
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So,
why do you think this way? Because there’s less defense? Teams, on average, score 8 – 12 fewer points per game the last 4 years than they did in the four years of Jordan’s prime. So, your premise is faulty for one.
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You are going to the mat to argue over
whether MJ could squeeze an extra 3ppg out? T hat seems like it is a pretty reasonable assertion, certainly not one that inspires ridicule, if MJ had never managed 35ppg I can see the argument.
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
It's not a reasonable assertion actually
and it goes back to the assertion that scoring is wide open in the league now and that they played better defense back then. That’s simply not true. The average PPG in the league do not bear that out factually. Teams average about 8 points fewer per game the last 3 seasons than they did during Jordan’s prime scoring years in ‘86, ’87, and ’93. The fact that the league, as a whole, plays worse defense now than they did then is simply not true, and I think the rules changes would make it more difficult on MJ to score as much as he’d need to in order to average 40 PPG. The best scorers in todays game have a difficult time getting to 35 a night on average, but he’s just going to show up and drop 40 a night? It’s just not realistic.
The reason I’m going to the mat on this is that only one player in the history of the game averaged better than 40 PPG in any season of professional basketball EVER. Wilt Chamberlain, and he did it twice: 50.36 PPG in ‘61-’62 and 44.83 PPG in ‘62-’63. The reasons he was able to this are these:
- Teams took 20 more shots per game during those seasons than they do now, so there were 20-25 more possessions per game then then there are now. That’s a lot more shots and a lot more opportunities to score points.
- At the time there were only two other 7 foot tall players in the entire league. Bill Russell was only about 6’8". If you sent Shaq back in time to replace Wilt, he’s probably average 50 PPG too. Same with Hakeem Olajuwon in his prime. If those guys were as selfish as Wilt was, they’d be able to score at will.
Sure, Wilt was a great player, but those Warriors teams didn’t win much, although the other guys on the team were pretty talented. He was probably the most selfish player in the history of the game and was obsessed with this statistics. This is what allowed him to average 50 a game, get 100 in a single game, and sleep with 20,000 women. I mean, what non-stat obsessed guy keeps a “number of women I’ve doinked” journal?
I don’t see MJ the same way I see Wilt. MJ was obsessed with winning, Wilt was obsessed with himself. MJ just happened to be the best player on those Chicago teams of the mid to late 80’s, so nobody could convince him to share the ball with guys who weren’t as talented as he was. Phil Jackson convinced him that he couldn’t beat teams like the Pistons, Celtics, and Lakers unless he involved his teammates. Phil knew he’d still be able to get his points, but doing it within the framework of the offense kept his teammates involved and they were then willing to do what was necessary on defense to get the win. Could Jordan have scored 40 a game in 1962? Probably. Could he score 40 a game now? I really highly doubt it.
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There you said it
“Could he score 40 a game now? I really highly doubt it” if that had been the whole of your statement you could have gotten some laundry done today. I am not saying you don’t have a good reason to believe what you believe but at the end of the day it is a belief. If I remember Logic class correctly the things people cannot productively argue about are Facts, Opinion, and Beliefs.
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
i disagree
i think it was an opinion, not a belief.
and are you suggesting that no matter how well an opinion is supported by facts, at the end of the day it’s still an opinion and hasn’t become a fact? you, sir, are the spitting image of audacious.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
and you argue with him?
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
not productive?
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
Nope.
But sometimes, arguments can be illustrative. So, for instance, if my husband found his brother to be reasonable, witnessing one debate with me indicated otherwise. Everything always came back to “in your opinion.” Which – DUH. Why even ask what I think? Anyway, there was never any true debate or understanding. Just him asking me something, me answering, and him being incredibly skeptical even when he had no knowledge of the matter.
Playing Scrabble with him was loads of fun as he never knew any of the words I played. I’d memorized a bunch of Scrabble words, and rather than trust that I had more expertise than him, he’d challenge. I counted on it.
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personally, i've never heard an opinion i shared
or had one i didn’t, but i’ve realized i had to fake it/tone it down in public.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
absolutely it isn't about whether
or not you have the right to say what you want to say, rather it is whether you think saying it will do any good. I think a lot of things I don’t say because I can see the road they would take me down and don’t want to inspire bad feelings in those I argue with.
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
And sometimes you have to play the bad guy.
My husband understood my frustration with his brother following that situation. I’ve mentioned before that he was living with us and wouldn’t get the hell out, so I was spending far more time with him than I wanted to.
You can read it in any tone you like.
I would say that it is unproductive to argue about those three things
not passing judgment on the quality of your analysis, rather saying that unless you can bring someone around to your point of view, you are just banging your head against a wall. All I was saying is that if you like the blunt force trauma by all means continue take offense at what you deem to be others stupidity.
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
ok...?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
How Dare You Sir!!!
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
Don't make a claim like "He would average 40 a game today!!!"
And then say that “leading the league in scoring in the same thing”. It’s not. There’s a handful of players in the history of the league that have averaged 40 a game for an entire season. That’s elite company.
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I don't follow the NBA now
but I have seen enough Jordan games in my day to throw out a grossly misinformed opinion… I think that Jordan was so competitive that with the relaxed defensive efforts put forth today he would have worked his ass off to find a way to exploit it to the tune of 40 per game. I remember a quote for when he came back to the Wiz about him scoring 20 a game that was basically “I’m Michael Jordan. You don’t think I can score 5 points a quarter.” That type of bravado would probably have him destroying players and teams in today’s buddy buddy we’re all here to have a good time and get money for the next Bentley league it’s become…
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
I loved his HOF speech
no BS.
“I’m Michael Jordan. You suck. I’m better than you. You wish you were me.”
to paraphrase
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
But you gotta know the back story
He bet his buddy $500K that he would actually say that.
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Mar 22, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
which makes it even better
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
I never saw it
I heard from so many people they were disappointed so I steered clear.
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
when people hate something
I tend to want to see it more
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that last line sums it up, ducttape
bird and laimbeer going at it, pippen getting headached by detroit, rambis being put down, the chief sneaking in a couple cuts at laimbeer, coop squaring up, mahorn being mahorn – that was the golden age. guys weren’t even ejected. the problem became that another generation entered the league, and they’d fight over trash talk, which the preceding guys never did, even though they were huge talkers. it became a “your mama” would be considered being disrespected and result in a punk fight (high schoolers and one-and-dones may have factored in). so stern had to clean up the corporate image, and the result is your last line.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
The thing I don't understand
is how so many of the pro fans say the product is so much better than the college game. To me it seems like the pro games I end up watching are basically obstructed lay up line drills. It seems like there aren’t nearly as many fast breaks which is due to better shooting I suppose, but seems to be boring to me. Also I think the fact that all the players now have been in AAU ball since they were zygotes and know each other from them makes the buddy buddy thing much easier.
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
Ok
but then watch what happens when that stud college shooter comes into the league and can’t get his shot off. JJ Redick, prime example. I don’t enjoy watching most college teams play. I love watching most NBA teams play. It’s the best players playing each other. The NCAA hasn’t had that since the early 1990’s. If you have two future NBA players on your team in college, you’re headed to the final four now (Kentucky)
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If you have 4 NBA Caliber players, you're a lock for a national title.
UNC ’09
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What about UNC '08?
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by jd is legend on Mar 22, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
What about UNC '05?
Oh it hurts… and worst of all it was self inflicted…
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
Only 3 in 2008
Danny Green didn’t emerge as a potential 2nd rd draft pick til the next year.
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Uhhhh
Kansas ’10?
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
Name the 4 NBA Caliber players on the Kansas team...
Collins will be a backup PG at the next level. He’s not nearly as good as Felton or Lawson were as college seniors.
Aldrich is a poor man’s Eric Montross. He’ll be a quality big body for someone, but he’ll never average 20 a game. He’s not near as skilled as players like Raef LaFrentz and Nick Collison were at KU, and they were never all-star players at the next level. His ceiling is probably as a backup center in the league.
They have a couple of other players that might be NBA caliber, but nobody else on that team is getting drafted this summer even if they left school early.
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I enjoy the wording of the last sentence
as if you leave school early you somehow improve your draft status than staying four years. I think this may be one issue the NBA should look into…
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
Xavier Henry would definetely get drafted in the 1st
He struggled early, but lit it up in conference and especially in the tourney, but my point was that most of them have NBA futures. Even if you don’t think Henry is ready, he will be in a year or 2 at the most. Tyshawn Taylor looks good despite being behind Sherron Collins.
You are correct, there is no sure fire NBA talent, but I see a lot of potential in most of them.
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
i'd have to think henry would be first round
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Maybe in a year or so.
I dunno though — there are a lot of good players in the first 15 picks of this draft. Henry might go as a high upside pick late, but I think there are going to be a lot of those in the draft this year. Moot point though, as I think he’ll stay in school.
They do have a lot of potential talent there, I just think that most of it is a couple of years away yet, and I think the Aldrich is vastly overrated because he never has to play against guys his size and he doesn’t have a jump shot. He got shut down pretty well the other night by a 6’6" kid who pushed him away from the basket and by a 7’ guy who can’t move. I just don’t see him having a lot of success at the NBA level.
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I agree with you, he is a bit overrated.
But some desperate team like the Thunder will say, “What the hell” and draft him anyway. I think that maybe his ceiling is Joel Pryzbilla? SOlid defensively, not a great offensive threat, smart, etc.
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
that would not be a bad ceiling for him
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
No, it isn't
The Rockets will kill for a guy like him right now.
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
I don't think we're talking about the same point
probably cause I did a crappy job of articulating it. To me it seems the NBA teams don’t have any offense other than isolation and trying to break your man down for a pull up jumper or drive to the basket. In college you see offenses where the other guys are running around and giving something to soothe my ADD. And I don’t know what you’re trying to say with the Redick example… there are tons of college players that haven’t panned out the next level in all sports. Ryan Leaf for one…
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I disagree
Have you watched Phoenix play? Golden State? Dallas? The Lakers? The Knicks? They all run complicated offenses designed to put players in a position to get a good shot or a layup. Even the Thunder are very good at executing offensively.
If anything, that’s more the case at the college level. Ohio State pretty much puts the ball in Evan Turner’s hands and goes to a 1-4 low set to spread things out and let him go to work. Same thing with Kentucky with Wall and Cousins. The only teams that run offenses are the mid-majors like Butler and Cornell, and teams like Duke who don’t really even run an offense, they just have like 600 different set plays.
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I'm really only entering this with knowledge
of the college game that I can use to make points. So I’m going to bow out now and concede this to you.
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
cornell runs the most efficient offense
in the tourney – very impressive.
i guess i’m spoiled, but nba offense sucks compared to the bird-magic era would those teams would have 7-8 crisp, quick passes per possession to and from guys cutting. way too much dribbling now, which is boring. also, the fast breaks back then were a thing of beauty, and the other team actually tried to stop them, which is necessary for the thing of beauty to occur.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
There's less cutting now
because there’s more help defense and zone defense. You can’t just back cut to the bucket like you did back then, there will be guys waiting for you. You’re also talking about the two best teams of that era. The ’Nique Hawks played a lot like most of the teams now. Lots of isolation plays and pick and roll plays for Spud and Wilkins. Same with the Nuggets of the era, the Suns with Kevin Johnson and Barkley, Barkley in Philly, I could go on and on. The only two teams that played super efficient offenses were the Lakers and Celtics because they had amazing depth and had 5 players who could score on the floor at all times. Hell, the Celts could have started 5 HOF level players in ’86 (Walton, Chief, McHale, Bird, and DJ who should be in) and still had All-Stars like Danny Ainge coming off the bench. Same with the Lakers with Magic, Kareem, and Worthy along with Byron Scott and Michael Cooper.
I think if you go back and actually watch those teams though you’re going to see just as many isolation plays as you do now. The Celts used to iso McHale on the block dozens of times a game, and the Lakers always dumped it into Kareem when they needed a big bucket.
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true about the post iso
i guess i was talking about the perimeter iso with all the dribbling.
back then it was all lakers and celts on tv – you didn’t get all the other teams, so who cared how they played? oh, and the pistons. so yes, my perception is undoubtedly tainted.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I watched a lot of LA back then
they used to run ISO plays for Worth on the wing and a two man game with Worthy and Magic pick and rolls when Kareem was sitting down.
I think the offense has gotten more innovative in today’s game because you can defend in so many different ways now.
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Eh, I don't think this is really a fair assessment.
There are still tons of NBA teams with an iso-heavy offense, and plenty of top tier college basketball teams that don’t just get out of the way (georgetown, tennessee, big ten in general, etc). In fact, most teams don’t have a player good enough to run everything through and be successful.
I don’t think it is fair to pick out three of the best players in all of college basketball and use them as examples – of course you should isolate those guys when they are so much better than everyone else on the floor. For instance, it wouldn’t be fair to say that the NBA is all isolation just using the Hawks as an example.
I'm not a player, I just mouth-breathe a lot
Sure there are
but not everyone runs it. I don’t see many college teams these days running the motion offense (Indiana) or the Princeton offense (Pete Carril’s offense, which Cornell runs perfectly) which are team oriented offenses. Most run top of the key pick and rolls or some version of the flex offense with cutters. The reason? You have to play in those offenses for more than one season to get a solid flow with them and you have to trust your teammates to make the right play for them to work well.
The best college offenses right now are Duke’s offense (designed by Mike D’Antoni during the USA basketball practices in 2006) and the Dribble Drive Motion offense that Calipari uses. They open up tons of options and create multiple scoring opportunities.
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kentucky has to beat w. virginia
cornell has perhaps two guys that will get there – final four?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I don't think Cornell has an NBA player on their roster
maybe a 12th man, but none of those guys are getting drafted.
Kentucky will throttle West Virgina because of their athleticism. I hate Calipari, but that Dribble Drive Motion offense is fucking DEATH with a talented PG like Wall running it. Remember when they went to the final on the back of Derrick Rose who never met a free throw (or an SAT) that he liked? Well Wall shoots 75% from the line and is a better perimeter shooter than Rose was. I’ll be shocked if anyone can give them a game for a full 40 minutes.
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South Carolina did
It can be done (and I hope it will be!)
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Mar 22, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Yah...
I think if you played that game 100 times, Kentucky would win 95 of fthem though. That was a total fluke and probably the worst game they’ve played all year.
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God, I really wanted to see
Kansas and Kentucky face each other. It’s a shame, they matched up well I think.
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
I didn't want them to match up
That would mean Kansas or Kentucky wins the tourney
by FlimtotheFlam on Mar 22, 2010 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree
Kentucky was far and away the better team. But the fact that they lost to a pretty poor South Carolina team shows that they’re not perfect. So I’d wager that any team remaining in the tournament can give them a game for a full 40 minutes, considering that a team that probably every remaining team would beat >50 times out of 100 did just that.
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by jd is legend on Mar 22, 2010 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I dunno
Duke can’t defend them.
Ohio State can’t play that pace with only 6 guys who play significant minutes.
West Virginia isn’t athletic enough to stay with Wall or Cousins.
Syracuse might be the only team that could give them a run for their money, mainly because they play great zone defense and Kentucky doesn’t have a lot of good shooters. Wesley Johnson can also score from anywhere on the floor and is a matchup nightmare for Kentucky.
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I hope the stars line up right for upsets then
I won’t be able to make myself watch a Kentucky-Syracuse matchup.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
I'd like a Cornell - UNI matchup
Actually.
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GO CORNELL!
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love cornell
uni has the far better chance to advance, though, even before the injury..
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Maybe
but I want an all Big Ten Elite 8 matchup and have a bracket with Cornell winning it all.
best case scenario for me this year is for Duke to win
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i'd like to root for you
but duke is a deal-breaker.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
you don't think cornell's 7-footer will get drafted?
i don’t know, because i haven’t really followed much this year, but in the tourney i’m trying to think of a better legit center for the nba. the guy looks like a young ilgauskas (is the kid foreign?) and is much better than sam i am ham.
after that it’s a long-shot, but i’m most impressed with the pg – without him they’d be dead. he won’t get a shot, but wittman certainly will.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Maybe in the second round
He doesn’t move very well. I think the kid from Montana has a better shot at getting drafted than he does, and the 7 footer at Marshall is on most experts top 10 lists.
The Cornell kid reminds me of Pittsnogle at WVU a few years ago. He can step away from the basket but he isn’t a great rebounder or shot blocker and he’s too slow to guard guys like Nene at the next level. Those guys nearly always get an NBA contract, but they rarely turn into much. He doesn’t rebound near as well as Ilgauskus and he doesn’t play with his back to the basket very well either.
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he's played well with his back to the basket
in the tourney is all i know. i don’t know the marshall kid, but i meant centers in the tourney. tulsa also has a big man, but they weren’t in the tourney either. and the syracuse kid has been out. the northern iowa lumberjacks are just that. samham will get a shot – could be a scola-type on the upside. but i’m struggling to think of a better center in the tourney.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
The Montana kid is better
and they were in the tourney. The Center from Gonzaga is also pretty good. Sartre I think his name is? I would guess that both of those guys have a better career than the kid from Cornell, but I could be wrong. I guess I just don’t see it.
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yeah, i didn't catch the montana kid
so can’t speak to that.
sacre (i think it is) – not sure if he would be an nba center.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
He's only a Soph now...
so he has some time to improve.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
montana kid or sacre?
if sacre, i mostly meant he would project as a 4, i think.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
He's 6'10"
so he could play the 5 in the NBA — it helps that he’s physical too.
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I'm hoping Cornell wins
because they’ll be one step closer to making my bracket with them winning it all look really good
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Maybe
but his teams would have suffered for it, and he put winning above all else. It just took a zen-master to get through to him that he couldn’t do everything himself and win consistently.
Again, I don’t know what is so “relaxed” about the defense today. No hand checking? They had that in the ’60’s and 70’s and that didn’t help scoring any. Defensive 3 seconds? That’s less dithering than the old illegal defense rule from the 80’s and 90’s. Look at the scoring averages from the late ’80’s. The overall league scoring was much higher than it is today, even in the early 90’s it was higher. You just remember the Knicks and Pistons being tough, but you don’t remember that the rest of the league didn’t play much defense at all, including the Lakers championship teams from the late ’80’s.
League average PPG: 2006-2009: 100 PPG
League average PPG: 1990-1993: 107 PPG
So, who had the “relaxed defenses”?
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I did qualify my statement
with grossly misinformed opinion. But what you are saying sounds right with the Pistons and the Knicks.
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
Jordan's best playoff performances
scoring wise, came against two teams that were awful defensively. Kobe would have carved up the ‘93 Suns and the ’92 Trail Blazers. Even the ’91 Lakers didn’t play much defense, they just outscored everyone with Magic creating shots on offense.
Those two teams are the only teams to make the Finals in the last 20 years with team defenses that weren’t in the top 12 of the league in FG% against. The Suns were 20th in the league in ’93 but got by because they averaged a league leading 110 a game.
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the offenses were much better in the celtics-lakers
era, and so that would account for scoring. i’d say because of the pace of the passing that they averaged more shots per game back then, too. there wasn’t all this mind-numbing dribbling and one-on-one isolation that has made it virtually unwatchable.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
the shot clock is 11 seconds shorter
so I don’t know how that doesn’t help your ADD more
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The NBA shot clock has always been 24 seconds.
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Sorry
I was more replying to one of his earlier comments about NCAA basketball being better for his ADD, since they dribble more in the NBA. (or something like that)
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Ahhh...my bad.
I think there are a lot of college teams that try to take the air out of the ball. Most of them play in the Big 10, lol
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i don't think i said exactly that
but i definitely do not have ADD, nor have i ever claimed to for any reason.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
My point is that it seems to me
that there are more guys running around doing stuff in the NCAA than in the NBA. Aka don’t see as much isolation in the NCAA… now would be a good time to put in the disclaimer I’m an Illinois fan thus spend more time watching Big Ten ball than other conferences so take that as you will.
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
i agree totally
no idea how our paths could have seemingly diverged, but i’m not going back to figure it out…i’ll leave that for better, more curious minds.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
It's been a long crazy day...
full of me watching NIT games… 6ly not a good sign for your life.
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
I was too young to watch basketball regularly during Michael Jordan's prime
though I collected everything relating to the 95-96 team, like every other elementary schooler on earth, but it seems obvious to me just from watching the game now (and watching it in the slow-down nineties) that teams play far more defense now than they did in the eighties.
Which sucks for me, because I’d much rather watch 125-117 games all year long.
Meh.....
He was no Magic Johnson. Or Wilt the Stilt. or Oscar Robertson. And I might be able to lead the league in scoring if I was allowed 12 steps to the rim and had every call go my way too.
:=8P
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
12 steps?
is that 3 cow steps?
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Wade is a bad 3 point shooter, Carmelo is no better than Jordan was and LeBron has made 3P shooting a focus and still is stuck around/below 35%. In any case, if MJ had really needed to stretch the floor by getting better at 3s: he would have (see ’89, ’93 and 95-97 when he randomly decides to shoot more 3s at a higher %). He picked a part of the game he wanted to get better at and then got better.
I agree that ‘87 Jordan from what I’ve seen wouldn’t put up 37 a game now given the zones, but 90-93 he would have been untouchable. MJ’s killer postup game would have been completely unstoppable now. There isn’t a player in the league who could defend him without being able to manhandle push him like they used to be able to do. I’ve spent way too much time watching ESPN classic just marveling at how much they were allowed to get away with…..and Jordan still beat the life out of everyone. Post-up Jordan would have destroyed the 2010 league and a >40 point a game career year—-when he doesn’t have to worry about getting hacked going down the lane or pushed off the ball—-would be well within sights if he wanted to do that.
Kobe has been smart enough to figure that out and get his own back to basket thing going there, but he’s done it when he’s lost his explosiveness and hops. Jordan was way more athletic to begin with and figured out that game when he was still a physical freak.
Side note: LeBron is an idiot for not developing a back to the basket game. He’s bigger than a large majority of the guys who guard him and he still settles for 3s and pull up jumpers way too much. He has the tools but we’ll see if he puts them to work.
Durant might end up being the best scorer in recent times though, love watching him play.
Not afraid to nitpick
durant seemed a no-brainer number 1 pick at the time
but i guess not.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
If you saw Oden play it definitely wasn't
I made it to a couple OSU basketball games that year and he was unbelievable defensively and athletically. He owned the paint.
Not afraid to nitpick
Yeah
But the Blazers knew the risk they were taking when they selected a 45-year-old #1 in the NBA draft
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Mar 22, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i only saw them both on tv
but that was a lot. no way do i pick oden over durant. to me there was a wide gap. and i think even if oden wasn’t hurt, this would have held true in the nba. durant’s skill in college far outweighed oden’s size.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I would have
He dominated Florida in that NCAA title game at both ends of the floor, made Al Horford (who’s been a pretty good pro) look average.
Look, there were people comparing him to Hakeem Olajuwon at the time, and he’s one of the best 5 or 6 players ever to play the game. The total package: scorer, rebounder, good from the FT line, blocked shots, great defender, great passer. Oden looked like all of those things and the injuries are probably going to prevent him from ever getting to his true potential.
I love Durant, but you have to hide him defensively. He’s kinda like Dominique Wilkins in that way. Can score on anyone, but you want him guarding the other team’s worst offensive player if possible. Oden had the potential to be a franchise center at both ends of the floor. Those come around about once in a generation.
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Again from my limited knowledge
I heard he has one leg that is like an inch shorter than the other. To me that seems like it may affect you negatively being an NBA center over time.
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
i didn't see any offensive game like hakeem
or potential thereof. i don’t know who was making this comparison, but that’s ridiculous. and defense can be improved, as durant has proven this year. it’s just my opinion, but i ridiculed the pick at the time, and i get to keep doing it, at least for now, and i suspect, forevermore.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Are you kidding?
Dude, EVERYONE was comparing him to Hakeem in ‘84 after than NCAA Final performance. EVERYONE. It was either him or Ewing, and I thought the Ewing comparisons were unjust because Ewing was an awful offensive player in college. We’re not talking ‘94 Hakeem, we’re talking ’84 Hakeem who was raw offensively but had fantastic footwork and touch around the basket while being a dominant defensive center.
If Oden is ever healthy, he has the skills to be a 25/12/4/2 (pts/rebs/assts/blks) guy in the pros. That’s Hakeem-esque.
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i disagree
not everyone was, because i certainly wasn’t, and several nba people agreed with me, one of whom was a head of player personnel – we had pretty much the same opinion of oden, and were both a little chuckled by durant being passed over. if by everyone you mean announcers or talking heads on tv, i don’t listen to them. the only one i ever listened to was majerus.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I totally agree
Oden still has great potential. The good thing for him is, his team doesn’t need to depend on him. He can just gel right in and be a great defensive center.
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
they have to decide about his contract first
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
In retrospect
I’d say Oden’s potential was a better version of Howard. A little taller, somewhat longer and somewhat more refined offensively but never really going to be the dominating 30+ point guy.
Not afraid to nitpick
I think that's probably his ceiling now
Dwight Howard + a 10 foot jumper.
I don’t think he’ll ever fully recover from all the leg injuries to reach his true potential.
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i think they'd be happy with half of howard
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
TWSS
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"good from the FT line"?
Oden shot 62.8% on FTs in his season at OSU and has shot 66.6% (yikes!) on FTS in the NBA. That’s not Shaq-bad, but it ain’t good.
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by jd is legend on Mar 22, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
In fairness on the college ones
He was shooting left handed for the first 2/3 of the season.
Not afraid to nitpick
He shot 2/3 of his college free throws
left handed.
Go to the gym and shoot left handed for an hour and see if you make 63%…
He’d be better in the pros, but he’s never healthy enough to work on his game. He shot 75% from the line in high school, FYI.
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I wasn't aware of that
But 66.6% in a larger sample size doesn’t exactly inspire confidence for me
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by jd is legend on Mar 22, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
(his NBA career being a larger sample size than his college career, not his HS career)
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by jd is legend on Mar 22, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Indeed, he broke his right wrist
and couldn’t shoot off of it. So he switched to his left. Some scouts say that him breaking his wrist was the best thing that ever happened to his career. It made him able to use both hands.
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
Hakeem shot about 70% for his career
I see no reason why Oden couldn’t shoot at least that or better if he’s fully healthy.
There aren’t too many stud centers that were great foul shooters. Ewing became one but he wasn’t when he came into the league. Shaq, Wilt, and Moses were/are awful.
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how soon rik smits is forgotten
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
He was an 85% guy wasn't he?
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Mike Tisdale?
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yao probably has a decent percentage
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I guess that's where we disagree
I don’t consider shooting 70% being a “great” foul shooter
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by jd is legend on Mar 22, 2010 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Would you consider a SS that hit 20 homers to be a
great power hitting SS? You have to adjust for position in the NBA just like you do in the MLB. Most centers don’t shoot well from the stripe, so if you can shoot 70%, that’s pretty good for your position.
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Good point
I dunno, I guess 70% would be on the right side of the bell curve for centers for me, but I’m not sold on the word “great” to describe it. Yao Ming has shot 83.2% from the stripe for his career. If Oden is great, what does that make Yao?
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by jd is legend on Mar 22, 2010 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions
He's not a bust yet
but I do agree with you, his potential is not as high as it once was. The good news is, the Blazers don’t necessarily need a dominant offensive Center, they already have Aldridge and Roy to score for them. They just need basically a younger version of Marcus Camby (Kind of funny to me that they acquired him). A guy that can block shots, be a defensive presence in the paint, etc.
But yes, Durant is a bad defender. I personally hate the people that claim Durant should have gone over Oden just because he scores more.
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
Bah you beat me to it...
stupid doing other things than this…
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
Well played sir
Well played….
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In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
i guess you personally hate me then
but i take durant all day. and he has improved in every facet of the game, so it’s not just scoring at this point.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Ahhh, bit of an exaggeration.
But he’s redundant for Portland is what I mean. They needed a dominant defensive center. Where does Durant get his points if they have Aldridge and Roy. There’s only so many shots to go around.
I would still take Oden everyday, it’s just a tragedy that he ended up the way he did. If he was healthy this year (and maybe the rest of the team too), Portland is probably a 2 seed right now.
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
Hmmmm...
Side note: LeBron is an idiot for not developing a back to the basket game. He’s bigger than a large majority of the guys who guard him and he still settles for 3s and pull up jumpers way too much. He has the tools but we’ll see if he puts them to work.
Maybe — I think he would be far more effective playing PG for Mike D’Antoni. He’s probably as good a passer as Nash is, only nobody recognizes it, and he’s an effective scorer from 17 feet on in. If he was taking fewer pull-up threes than his percentage would improve quite a bit, but in Cleveland he has to handle the ball all the time and nobody else on their team can get their own shot, save for Shaq on the block.
Honestly, I think the “Jordan Rules” were actually GOOD for Jordan in the sense that he was bound and determined to outwork everyone else. The physical play allowed him to attack the basket with regularity, get to the foul line, and get tough baskets in traffic, while the defensive rules of the time allowed the Bulls to spread things out so that nobody could play offside help in the lane area. Instead of relying on his jump shot, which wasn’t a consistent weapon until after his first retirement when he dedicated himself to becoming a better shooter from range, he was able to shoot 15 footers and attack the basket, the same way that LeBron does now. But watch how LeBron struggles against teams that play good team defense, like San Antonio. Even without Bruce Bowen they can frustrate him.
Jordan never would have been a consistently good shooter from distance. His flat jump shot pretty well prevented that. He never took more than 300 threes in a season
(he only came close once) because he knew that this was his weakness, so he developed a post game so that defenders wouldn’t be able to take advantage of it. He knew his weakness and structured his game to avoid having to use it.
Durant has a chance to be the best scorer in the history of the game, imo. He can kill you in a ton of different ways. He’s got 2-4 inches on every other small forward and can kill you from three to prevent you from guarding him with power forwards. I think he’s the only guy in the league right now who has the ability to put up a 50-40-90 season in the near future and if he does, there’s an outside chance that he averages 35 or 36 a night doing it. He’s currently leading the league in FT’s made this season and shot 42% from three last year and he’s only 21 years old.
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mcgrady can hit threes nicely with a flat shot
but i agree with your point – the more arc, the more clearance.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Agreed on all but Jordan's shot
If the man wanted to do something on the basketball court he made himself do it.
LeBron as a D’Antoni PG would be fun, I like it when they put him at #4 and go small too. If LeBron ever gets with a mobile big man who can still handle defensive end it’s lights out.
Durant’s peak should be fun.
Not afraid to nitpick
I think LeBron + Bosh this summer
would be an unstoppable combo, especially if both of them ended up on the Knicks AND they were able to keep David Lee somehow.
You’d start LeBron – Gallinari – Lee – Bosh – FA Shooter/Giddens
Then have Wilson Chandler coming off of the bench along with whatever two veterans want to follow LeBron to the Big Apple, since the Knicks will have two mid-levels to use.
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i don't know why he'd go to ny
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Nike
That’s why.
I think Nike may have a lot to do with where he ends up. He wants to be a world dominating media figure. The only places he can do that AND make sense would be NY and Chicago, and Chicago can’t add two max deals and have a coach who’s awful. In NY, he plays for D’Antoni, in who’s offense he might actually be able to average a triple double playing in due to the number of shots that get hoisted, and he’ll be able to bring someone like Bosh along with him.
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i don't know how he could be bigger in ny
than in cleveland. just living and playing there isn’t making him more famous. madison avenue travels, and as a player and competitor, i’d think he’d want to try to win championships with his team rather than do one of these malone-end-of-career moves.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
He could do more marketing if he was based there
and there would be more opportunities to market him if he played in the biggest media market there is.
And the Knicks haven’t won a championship in 30 years. He’d be the biggest thing in town and maybe in NY sports history if he delivered a title there.
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including baseball history?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
more potential for championships in NY
..due to larger budget to add additional players. I suspect in Cleveland, the Cavs are always going to be on the edge of being able to field a championship level team.
youneverknow
by floodOfLove on Mar 23, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Especially
if they are paying him a max contract.
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Imagine if he hadn't retired twice
How many rings would the Bulls have?
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Mar 22, 2010 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
The average career is under six years long if I recall.
No idea of the age.
"What's your favorite Chuck Palahniuk book?"
"I like the one about the alienated character who finds the socially unacceptable way of coping with modernity."
well baseball's physical peak is at 27
take that for what it’s worth.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
Great. My physical peak was 16.
by Tom_Lawless_Bat_Flip on Mar 22, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I've been holding on to this one for awhile
But in honor of Spring Training, I have gotten into the best shape of my life at 22.
Not afraid to nitpick
ya...18 then I turned to the drink
drunken coma til 22, then best shape of my life :)
then got into a boring relationship, yada yada yada, now I’m a party gurl that can’t lay off wheat beer.
now worst shape of my life….to the point I missed my roller derby franchise opener where we trounced Indy, 125-17. Woulda been fun bullying those guys :-(
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
i'm physically stronger and healthier than I've ever been
and 29 on Tuesday. Still, I have been hitting the gym, doing more running, and playing more volleyball in the last year than ever before…
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Mar 22, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
It's amazing what having cardio and being 180 and not 200 does for your basketball/volleyball athleticism
Not to mention my stunning wiffleball abilities.
Not afraid to nitpick
I try to stay over 200
to make it fair for the rest of the rec league softball players
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The average career length is 4.96 years by my calculations
4.73 since 1990.
by vivaelpujols on Mar 22, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
dgoold
The legend continues. Outfielder Amaury Cazana was 2-for-4 with an RBI.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
i don't think a pujols deal gets done
until we know how much it takes to lock up amaury – priorities.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I tried to draft Amaury in an auction keeper league
he wasn’t to be found
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i think in fantasy he goes by the name manny ramirez
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Who wants to record today's Cards/Astros game for HL?
by Hardcore Legend on Mar 22, 2010 11:23 AM EDT reply actions
Marrissa Tomei
but she doesn’t have your number.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Mar 22, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Have you officially switched your search to 2010 Spring Training games on DVD?
I'm not a player, I just mouth-breathe a lot
If they ever would win a spring game on TV in 2010
then I would have a collection of them worthy of hooking up HL. They’re 0-for-3 in games available on DirecTV.
by Michael_68_1999 on Mar 22, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm getting it
so I’m sure we can work out a deal or something.
by Michael_68_1999 on Mar 22, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
If you or someone can tell me
how to rip off of my DVR, I could help you out.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Does you DVR have a USB port?
Dish Network does…you can dump onto an external HD.
Not sure what file format they are when you dump them, as I’ve not tried yet.
If you see a guy open the car door for his girlfriend, either the car is new or the girlfriend is.
by cardzfanbub on Mar 22, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
That's where the problems start......
I haven’t had any luck finding a way to convert the file format.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Thank GOB Albert isn't a Scott Boras client
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
+10000004
Lucky for us, the Brewers have to deal with him and Fielder. Mwahahaha
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
Cardinals Classics replaying the 15 innings
currently
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FSM, I mean.
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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
the production values are terrible
but I can still see how shiny Blake Hawksworth’s arms were.
what did he put on it? like a keg of oil?
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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
haha, boom
I got Boog’s FSM spot. sweet.
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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
a-maz-ing
the video problems that were there in the first airing weren’t because of the weather.
it’s in the MASTER. same blip I saw last time. good job, FSM.
I KNOW YOU CAN HEAR ME, GUYS IN THE TRUCK.
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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
is it just me
or do people go ga-ga over Hawksworth for just that game.
Still not impressed with Hawksworth.
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by mattyfrommo on Mar 22, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
on VEB, I think it was that DanUp liked him
then he got a great nickname.
this is why Allen Craig should have been named Rocky.
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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
that very, very clever w the rocky reference.
the EYE-talian stallion.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
Off topic
I’m looking for one more fantasy baseball player. Anyone interested? I can send and invite to your e-mail. I’ve run this league for several years now and I seem to have a couple of new people every year. It’s not ultra competitive and it’s mixed league. I get rid of people each year who stopped paying attention, so I always have a good group of baseball fans who are paying attention. And, yes it’s all Cards fans..
baseball!
Rick Horton on FSM
I know which one’s getting muted…
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Red brings the lineup card vs Red Sox
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aaaannnnd Matt Holliday is not playing.
Jon Jay is in
meanwhile game on vs. stros
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oh okay, he's DHing
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I am however waiting until they actually get to bat
because Shannon is describing this … they’ve got their wires crossed…
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(/Wrigley joke)
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by Felonius_Monk on Mar 22, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
lying
so… post nutshot?
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girls have those?
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
it's a metaphor
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is this the Red Sox game?
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
yeah, we're lying in the OF grass with shitty binoculars, and we'
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
2nd ubiquitous Wrigley reference...
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by Felonius_Monk on Mar 22, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
yes it does
are both games televised?
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shot past Solano; be taller!
meanwhile Greene Tea seems to have gotten on base.
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and another. Red Sox score
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lol double play
booing the out at first
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Penny does not seem to have recorded a strike out.
contact on all his pitches.
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Hey guys I need help with depth charts
What’s the percentage of playing time at 3B that Freese will probably get?
In St. Louis or Memphis?
/burn
//freezer burn
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Mar 22, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Cool, you get a pair of lamps.
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
St Louis winning 2-0
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I was attempting my little slice of evil.
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bwahaha. that'd be 'stros.
anyway, that was a double by Ludwick. Yadi up.
vs. Wandddyyy.
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Sox rob Skippy.
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The camera work is lacking
but they must have the microphone built into the plate for the Cards-Astros game
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let us know if there's any swearin'
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three run homer for David Freese vs stros
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And the astros' unis/hats are even uglier this year
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Holliday at bat vs Sox
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he gets shark music too
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It's not similar to Carp's start, Ricky Horton!
The Cardinals have had far better contact.
STAB STAB STAB
Well SOB
things would be much better for me if Stav would have signed with the Astros when they drafted him
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* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
in the carnival park, he'd have a million homers
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(million = three)
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by Felonius_Monk on Mar 22, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
(that's the math of the carnie)
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i has one million teeth.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
it's Joe Mather, everyone
vs Stros
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Joe Mather nearly takes out the Stros pen!
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have any of Pawtucket *not* made contact on Penny?
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a bit better, I guess. all fly outs.
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it's Kyle Lohse!
long one to LF, nearly guns down Towles at second.
I can’t tell if Lopez was just not trying.
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yeah, I was going to mention his big head
then they showed a bizarre angle and I doubted my first glance
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Because he hits dingers right-handed
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
is he reading his bat?
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ow. just now.
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oh, oh DON'T SHOW THAT IN SLOW MOTION
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on the other hand, that's going to be somebody's screenshot
pretty soon…
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no kidding.
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No matter what, eat snack cake."
fixed
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
Gotay's weird hop goes for someone's head?
or something. a minute ago they were talking about mustard in one’s pants.
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
big hit for Kyle Lohse!
I mean, he hit it.
vs stros
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I looked away
was that ‘stros fail?
because that looked like it must’ve been special.
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never mind
anyway, Lopex steals, high throw from the catcher and/or not much ducking
man on second, 2 outs
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MLB.tv is not working for the Astros game
Figures, when the Cards put a five spot on the hated Wandyman in the first inning.
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
Woot, feed is back
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
sounds like a Penny K
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I AM CENTIQUID
HEAR ME ROAR!
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by Felonius_Monk on Mar 22, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
he's settling, but still leaving stuff up
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that was his MO for most of his unhappy time in Boston last year
still, I’m pretty optimistic Dunc can sort that out. I almost wonder if he’s over-throwing and trying to overpower hitters too much.
If only there was some sort of electronic analysis of his pitch type and placement that we could somehow apply and someone could publish on this blog to look into that possibility…
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by Felonius_Monk on Mar 22, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think that is unpossible
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* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
5-2 Stl v Houston
a home run
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twas Pedro Feliz
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and ball hits Penny's foot
no play for Skip
can someone tutor Penny in the fine art of the kick save?
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bases loaded
Penny’s kind of stinkin’.
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Just for the confused such as I
Their is currently 2 Cardinal games going on
One vs Boston and another vs Houston
5-3 stl vs houston
into CDunc territory
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LaRue calls time in the Boston game
ya think, Jason.
finally a ball to Boog, force out by Skip. geez.
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i feel like some popcorn.
Ludwick up vs Houston.
Solano up vs Boston.
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Solano lucks out vs. Hall
E off the glove
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Another dubble for Doublewick
He looks mighty fine this ST.
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Double your pleasure, double your-wick
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Mar 22, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Schumaker hits a double to right field! Ludwick hits a double to left field!
SIMULTANEOUS
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Boog sac flies, Solano scores, Skip is safe at third vs Sox
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Announcers in the Astros game don't know why Pujols isn't playing
Press box fail.
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
well it was Horton who said that
so it’s understandable
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
Holliday.... really big bounce, apparently.
RBI double vs Sox
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meanwhile Yadi was battling Wandy. had some good contact.
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It's like we're having our own March Madness
with multiple Cardinals games going on at once.
by Michael_68_1999 on Mar 22, 2010 1:56 PM EDT reply actions
odds that tony la russa completes a sextuple switch by swapping players from one game to the next?
3-1?
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
If he had a transporter
he would already have done it.
by Michael_68_1999 on Mar 22, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
wow, I heard that. shot to right by Colby (Sox)
HAHAHAA SIMULTANEOUS
Ludwick stop-sign at third vs stros
Holliday stopped, then sent vs Sox
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that was Freese vs Stros with a shot to right
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Colby steals from Sox. ball hits him, safe
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LaRuuuuueeeee
RBI double into the no duncs land vs Sox
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
vs Stros, we have men first and third, Stav batting with 1 out
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Stav strikes out
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vs Sox, Pettini is third base coach, Dave Duncan is in fact there.
in Jupiter. not Seattle.
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Joe Mather vs Wandy 2 out, 2 men on
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Wandy throws at his feet, advance to second
with 2 strikes
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
meanwhile LaRue advanced to third as pitcher handles it at first, with a little dance.
vs Sox
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
6-3 out.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
is this bluebell commercial the worst commercial ever? the producer of hee-haw thinks it's a little kitschy.
god, is this what living in houston is like?
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
My friend lived in Houston for a summer
And based on what he told me, no, that’s not what living in Houston is like. It’s worse.
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
both innings now over
5-4 Red Sox
5-3 St. Louis and Houston
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! not lohse!!!
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
lohse has some sort of magnet in him that attracts hard-hit line drives.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
damn it bubbles.
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
holy sheeet, Lohse
ball hit him on the cheek
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
batted ball.
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
line drive to the ass cheek.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
that was my first though also
than I slowly mouthed out “Fuuuckkkk”
by FlimtotheFlam on Mar 22, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
If it had been Dennys Reyes he wouldn't have even felt it
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Mar 22, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
if it was Carlos Silva it would have been absorbed instantly...
;=8)
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Mar 22, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
if the ball sticks in his ass cheek and never comes out
isnt that an out? =]
by FunkeeC on Mar 22, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
sure, but the runners can tag and advance, so there's that
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Mar 22, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i think it would be a ground rule double
kinda like the ivy at wrigley
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
Lopez has crazy-stupid throw to first vs Stros
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or maybe it was just a crazy throw
I can’t figure this camera work
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vs Sox, LaRue firing to first, but rule HPB
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Penny continues to stink
2-RBI double by Tug Hulett
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Does this sound like a good idea for a post?
Who else would like to see a leader board for all time recs? I would be curious to see which person has the most recs of all time
I'm for it
This will only lead to increased rec whoring, but whatever.
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
I think the mod's official stance is
Don’t Ask Don’t Tell
by FlimtotheFlam on Mar 22, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
So does the ratio of recs to flags win you the gold star,
or just the sheer number of recs?
STAB STAB STAB
I find some of my most reced comments
Have a few flags mixed in also. If you are not offending someone than it is probably not that funny.
by FlimtotheFlam on Mar 22, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Is this something only mods can see?
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Mar 22, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Ya
I’m not sure why they don’t add it to each users profile. Maybe they don’t want to create a whoring fest. I can understand not letting every user see WHO gave them a rec or flag but why you can’t see just the #s is unknown to me. The only thing I can suggest is that you make a request with the SBN developers for it.
Think; It's not illegal yet.
I have had a few conversations with the developers
They are actually pretty good about getting back to you about problems. Unfortunately they have not fixed any of my problems yet.
by FlimtotheFlam on Mar 22, 2010 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
The jumping comment screen is a pain......
Game threads are gonna suck.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I really wanted to do be able run Javascript in fanposts
I have been wanting to do a magic 8 ball post and sortable tables would be dreamy
by FlimtotheFlam on Mar 22, 2010 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions
My screen never does more than a little blip.
Comment scrolling is great for me.
Think; It's not illegal yet.
ya, it's usually not too bad,
but I’ve been typing a reply and just had it completely throw me out of the box and scroll all over the place.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
That's the worst because you have to figure out where you
are on the page without accidentally making your comment box disappear.
STAB STAB STAB
that's what is really annoying
especially those rare times when I have a couple paragragh long comment to post, and it gets zapped. and then it gets zapped again.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
I am pretty sure I have flagged everyone
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
I only flag myself
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
by STLRegalia on Mar 22, 2010 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
it's much better than what my mind wanted to say
but my fingers wouldn’t let me type
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
Wait - no it isn't. You are clearly superior.
STAB STAB STAB
by spants on Mar 22, 2010 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i wanna know gdm's recs and rate
with close to 30,000 comments, i’d think at least 1000 of them have been rec’d
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
there's no disctinction by comment or fanposts
he has 2 inappropriate flags and 1279 recs.
Think; It's not illegal yet.
I don't think I'm wording myself properly.
Lets say gdm has 1279 comments which have all been rec’d one time. Is that recorded the same as gdm having 1279 comments which have all been rec’d twice? Or does the latter scenario give him 2558 recs?
Also, why do I care?
Please show your work.
that's 1279 individual recs
I have no idea how many different comments that comes from.
It’s the latter scenario you are describing.
Think; It's not illegal yet.
So he has 1279 recs
and that is broken up among however many comments and fanposts, right?
STAB STAB STAB
so far it looks like you are second
to the 2 incarnations (or whatever) of Mr Eff
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Mar 23, 2010 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions
second is still the first loser though right?
Hope is the worst of all evils, for it prolongs the torment of man
well it took him two profiles
HE’S A CHEATER!
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Mar 23, 2010 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions
so i'm the ken griffey jr of VEB
since all my rec’s are pure
Hope is the worst of all evils, for it prolongs the torment of man
well what are the average recs per comment
who leads this?
from what I know gdm is 4.3%
my average is 4.3%(weird)
RiverRat’s is 8.0%
Chitown’s is 0.9%
mattymo’s is 2.47%
spants 5.5%
honestly, i can see this taking a bad turn
i don’t try to get rec’s or flags. it they happen they happen, if they don’t, they don’t. if you come on here & try to get rec’s, then you’re not going to be a very happy poster
Hope is the worst of all evils, for it prolongs the torment of man
by gdm426 on Mar 23, 2010 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Rec'd.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
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Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
by ClemsonGirl on Mar 23, 2010 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Is my math off??
610 recs/3515ish comments is approx 17.4%
Note: Above comment may contain gratuitous amounts of sarcasm.
BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS
I average about one rec given out
for every 3 comments I make.
so most of you can thank me for havin so many recs
/pats back
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Mar 23, 2010 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oh shit
I come in at a cool 8.32%! Something must be wrong
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Mar 23, 2010 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions
cursing! you are flagged, sir.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
As a note --
I’m just counting the inappropriate flags. There are some automate spam flags for any post with +5 links (Yadi2S has like 2 dozen of these) and the troll flags are usually inane.
Think; It's not illegal yet.
How many troll flags for me
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Mar 22, 2010 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Aw
Nobody ever thought I was a troll
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Mar 22, 2010 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions
yadi2's flags just crack me up
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
sweet
i offend people less than 2% as often as i please them
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Mar 22, 2010 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
As with fortune cookies
this comment is better if you append the phrase “in bed”.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Mar 23, 2010 7:22 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
but that would make this a false statement
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
Is 956 recs enough to get me into the HOF?
by FlimtotheFlam on Mar 22, 2010 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Depends - were they steroid-assisted?
by BTown Birds fan on Mar 22, 2010 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
free t-shirts?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
my thoughts exactly
955 will always be the real record for me…
by DanUpBaby on Mar 22, 2010 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
No... Steroids
But I once got 12 recs when I was drunk
by FlimtotheFlam on Mar 22, 2010 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well we just asked sucka
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Mar 22, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
if we're talking articles?
I do. or rather, the glossary does.
and you can check the fanpost page for that. http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/fanposts/popular/all_time
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
you could always disqualify the glossary.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
yo, i'm real happy for you and ima let you finish, fritz,
but the glossary was the greatest fanpost of all time! of ALL TIME!
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
Apparently my Mr Redbird account was more popular
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Mar 22, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
That's because it wasn't a ginger.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Mar 23, 2010 7:23 AM EDT up reply actions
from West Virginia
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
Make it a recs-per-post.
That way we can see the quality of our output
Note: Above comment may contain gratuitous amounts of sarcasm.
BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS
should there be two categories
one for the written word, and one for the visual?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
recs per comment, then...
…jeesh
Note: Above comment may contain gratuitous amounts of sarcasm.
BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS
i feel confident in my ability to be in the Top 10
I have cracked a lot of one liners and didn’t pics before vexed
by FlimtotheFlam on Mar 22, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry Flim.
Pics get double-digit recs on a routine basis. Witty one-liners quite often don’t even go green. Which is a damn shame, people. A DAMN SHAME.
STAB STAB STAB
by spants on Mar 22, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
yeah but I have also done pics to mix in with my one liners
So I got the best of both worlds
by FlimtotheFlam on Mar 22, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
some of us can't find the words to say what a pic says
we shouldn’t be punished for that
Hope is the worst of all evils, for it prolongs the torment of man
they can be resized, though
most VEB’ers aren’t blind
and if they are, they’re using text readers, and without alt-tags it’s lost on them anyway
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Mar 23, 2010 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Damn, you're on to my grand scheme of winning the Internet.
Note: Above comment may contain gratuitous amounts of sarcasm.
BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS
Have there been any recs in this post yet?
Other than the one I gave DanUp just now for the post itself? (Brown-noser).
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Mar 22, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I rec all the time.
If something is funny, I rec it. If something is really funny, I rec it and I’m vocal about it.
STAB STAB STAB
You being vocal about something???
Never
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
Dang...I was flagged?
Boooo.
Note: Above comment may contain gratuitous amounts of sarcasm.
BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS
so was I
I know not why, can’t correct it
"If you don't have outstanding relief pitching, you might as well piss on the fire and call the boggs." -WH
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 22, 2010 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm thinking mine might have something to do with the *
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
i need to write some more limericks so i can get on this list.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
I’m no fan of rec whoring
Cheapens and makes it boring
Quality rules
Cuts out the fools
And makes RPC go soaring.
I'm not a player, I just mouth-breathe a lot
by all4tookie on Mar 22, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 9 recs
So not rec'ing this.
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
Oh come on, that is totally rec worthy
I'm not a player, I just mouth-breathe a lot
by all4tookie on Mar 22, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Nice
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Mar 22, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
it's not about the money
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
i did my dick ankiel rhyme thing for the love of the rhyme
i was genuinely shocked & honored it turned green
Hope is the worst of all evils, for it prolongs the torment of man
somewhat related
we should have a post where we vote on comment of the year. There have been way too many that have been ricockulous and they need recognition.
My favorite is Monk’s about the interrobang
Some people have their own bowling ball and their own bowling shoes and no friends.
You must be the change you wish to see in the world.
haha, then someone ELSE
review the thousands of comments made all year.
I’ve picked through six months of them and I’m unlikely to do that again.
if there’s no review, it would be as useless as an MVP vote.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
...
tom s.‘s response to this comment is still probably my favorite comment ever on VEB. Paulspike’s editing of vexed’s photo in this thread may be my favorite pic.
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Mar 22, 2010 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions
tom's comment about the naughty bits
is still my all time favorite VEB comment
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
that was a good, well-argued thread
sorry i missed it the first time around
I'm not a player, I just mouth-breathe a lot
I keep that thread bookmarked
it has some great stuff in it
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
I can't even remember the interrobang quote! What was that in relation to?
I think tom s and mattybobo (occasionally jd) might be the posters I’ve most rec’d for amusing comments. The Morrissey one above was a favourite of mine, too, JD.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Mar 23, 2010 7:36 AM EDT up reply actions
cant believe i didnt rec it
http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2009/11/16/1158754/wainwright-for-carpenter-carpenter#25739870
Some people have their own bowling ball and their own bowling shoes and no friends.
You must be the change you wish to see in the world.
how many flags will it take to be the leader?
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
maybe it wasn't such a good idea to sign penny
hmmm
"If you don't have outstanding relief pitching, you might as well piss on the fire and call the boggs." -WH
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 22, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, it's just Pawtucket.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Not again welleme...excuse me...penny
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
Chief Justice slams into side wall with awesome catch vs Sox
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Greene easily steals second, advances to third on throw
He was safe by nineteen miles at second. His SB skillz are intriiiiguing.
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
who are the opposing catchers in these games
that suddenly we’re running like a whitey team?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Towles is catching for Houston
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
Dude's to stoned to throw the ball.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
by RiverRat on Mar 22, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You're a towel.
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
Wanna get high?
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
You're the worst character EVAR!
"They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time."
Part of it may be that Tyler Greene is an amazing basestealer
have a look at his fangraphs page – his SB/CS ratios in the high minors are astonishing. He may otherwise be pretty sucky but in a full season he could easily add half a win with his baserunning.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Mar 23, 2010 7:38 AM EDT up reply actions
I really hope Dave Duncan
is watching the Red Sox game. Penny has been hammered… I thought he said it was time for results!
I want the Walrus back...
I believe he's present.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
technically, getting shelled IS a result.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
by tom s. on Mar 22, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
smart ass
"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."
everybody has to have a role in life.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
He said "mimes are insults"
but was eating some seeds at the time.
by Mister Eff on Mar 22, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Skip hits it off second baseman vs Sox
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
lucky fan gets a Boog souvenir
bows, hands it to a kid.
yeah, it’s a Red Sox fan
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Boog has a long foul
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Josh Kinney's Shoulder
I just read that Josh Kinney is having shoulder problems. He’s a victim of the Inverted W in his arm action…

His Inverted W isn’t as bad as Mark Prior’s, but is pretty bad and screws up his timing.
For further reading…
by thepainguy on Mar 22, 2010 2:28 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Correlation,
plus another C word.
"What's your favorite Chuck Palahniuk book?"
"I like the one about the alienated character who finds the socially unacceptable way of coping with modernity."
I was personally thinking cornhole...
I was WAY off.
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
Seriously,
XKCD is just so clever and funny on a consistent basis it amazes me.
Think; It's not illegal yet.
Do you read AmazingSuperPowers as well?
I think its just as good
I'm not a player, I just mouth-breathe a lot
that place is awesome
thanks for that link
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
No problem...make sure you read the "secret comic" on everyone too...
on the outside of the comic on the top right hand corner a question mark will appear…click it
I'm not a player, I just mouth-breathe a lot
by all4tookie on Mar 22, 2010 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
that's so great
you get a rec
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
It's funny
and there’s a lot of funny webcomics out there but I guess I like that XKCD requires readers to be smart for a lot of the comics.
Basically, I’m elitist.
Think; It's not illegal yet.
SMBC!
Yes!
"What's your favorite Chuck Palahniuk book?"
"I like the one about the alienated character who finds the socially unacceptable way of coping with modernity."
of course you are
and
SMBC huh? Looks like I won’t get much accomplished for the next hour or so
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
And then of course there's the PBF
This is probably my fave but there’s just so many!
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Mar 22, 2010 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions
damn you people
it’s a good thing I am on vacation this week
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
is this what you were trying to do?
what do you mean you people?

Hope is the worst of all evils, for it prolongs the torment of man
Nah, I was going for
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Mattyfrommo
does not just hate one group of people, he is an all out misanthropic bastard
but I love all you people here
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Mar 23, 2010 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't think gdm is serious.
And remember he uses the royal we so he may or may not be speaking for all of us.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
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Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
You are an intricate and valuable addition to VEB
,but we are going to need you to move your desk into the basement
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
Why the hell
is his desk not in the basement in the first place?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I believe that on this board
space in the basement is at a premium
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
stros' Gervacio is weird.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
was that Blum? eff him.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Yadi has a stand up double!
my screenname, wooo! vs stros
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Yadi threatening to steal is awesome
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Stav and Freese strand him
effin LOBsters
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Freese has an excellent throw across the diamon vs Houston
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
oh Mather for shame. sell that one next time.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
vs Sox, Gotay has two men on
Castro is pitching
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Yadi has quite a talk with Lohse, still in in the 5th vs Stros
and Mather gets that one. inning over
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I have a feeling Lohse's five innings will look much better....
Gotay at first base is apparently an adventure vs. Sox
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
blum interviewed
told to stay under the radar, “story of my career,” he replies.
talking about untucking and edmonds.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Tyler Henley lead off double vs Sox
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
what's the score, inning?
i’m watching houston on mlb.tv
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
now 7-5, thanks Skip
bottom sixth? I think
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
big mac taking notes as lopex k's
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Solano beats throw vs Sox
Skip’s up
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Shannon amused as balk goes un-called.
over and over.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
someone's yelling about it.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
his obp must be about .900 in spring
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
jaime!
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
ouch, what was that
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
shelton leads off with double on jaime
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Boog leaps out of the way, vs Sox
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Boog's not havin' a good day.
now Holliday with his “savage cuts”
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I think that was Feliz with a broken bat
wow, that shattered
vs Stros
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
those outs are scarily long flies, Jaime.
out of the inning.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Colby walks! LaRue has bases loaded vs Sox
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
that's the radio one
I think I saw it already
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
YES!
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
LaRue would've been better served getting hit by the pitch.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
oh I'm psychic
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Houston has a Lopez pitching
for those… uhh… following along.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
they also mistakenly called garcia "lopez" today
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
anyone seeing this interview on houston game?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
who was that?
she had an interesting take on how wide-open the central is, but i’m glad she’s not counting the cardinals out.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
whoever she is, i'm not looking to follow her
sounds like an astros pr person in that interview.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
she is, but she's funny
no problem calling it as she sees it, from what little I’ve read
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
of course
i just wouldn’t follow a cards pr person either, for the same reason
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
we follow Leach
he has nice playlists
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
who's our counterpart?
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innings over simultaneously.
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great line from craig calcaterra
For all of the excitement about the moves the Mariners made this winter, the fact remains that there ain’t a heck of a lot of pop in that lineup. And with Casey Kotchman (a slow, groundball hitter) and Milton Bradley (Milton Bradley) going 3-4, you’re going to see a lot of innings like this:
Ichiro: single;
Figgins: walk;
Kotchman: 4-6-3 double play;
Bradley: strikeout looking, ejected after blinking;
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
by tom s. on Mar 22, 2010 3:09 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Trever to Pags Lite
Boog out of the game… and other stuff happened, talking too fast vs Sox.
However, the batter is Bubba Bell.
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a nice play on the run by Greene vs Stros
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redeem yourself, tyler.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
another scary long fly from Jaime's pitch
2 outs
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that throw was a little high but job done.
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Jaime has changed his arm action
I don’t have side by side video, but it seems pretty obvious.
Not afraid to nitpick
That different even extends to throwing the ball too which is encouraging
He’s throwing with “safer” mechanics it looks like at full speed anyway. Always a risky maneuver (see Liriano, Francisco) but it seems his stuff has actually come back.
Not afraid to nitpick
speaking of Jamie
He leads all Cardinal pitchers with strike outs
by FlimtotheFlam on Mar 22, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
JAIME GARCIA
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Colby sells it on a high fly vs Sox
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Trever is once again badass.
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Gotay works his magic and walks vs Sox
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OT: Saw this on Doghouse Diaries today...

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by vexedtechie on Mar 22, 2010 3:20 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
i am sorry
I am boycotting funny pictures now
by FlimtotheFlam on Mar 22, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hahaha, easy folks...
…‘cause rec’s matter in real life.
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maybe a "second life" knockoff?
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
It's second life inside of second life.
…pretty cool concept, really.
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FLAGGED
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Mar 22, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'll only rec original, modified pics
just throwing a pic up and expecting it to be rec’d is lazy….I’m looking at you vexed!
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WTF?! Why is everyone assuming I wanted this rec'd?!
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that's just awesome is what that is
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seriously, you guys, those gifs/pngs should be barely 20K
they’re 200K and 60K
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oh, shut it
and go get to work on the glossary update
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by mattyfrommo on Mar 22, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
that's right.
that’s me, the fun-taker.
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by Yadi2Second on Mar 23, 2010 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions
at least you're not a close talker
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numbers give us a headacke, we don't really know what they mean
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Tejada fail, Skip now has two on vs Sox
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Freese's bobble-panic-throw near-disaster
but he has been saving Garcia’s butt, generally. vs Stros
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Craig looked real athletic catching that shot, too.
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Jaime barely justifies all the PFPs
bouncer to first, poor Craig.
they’re out of the inning but Yadi has some words with Jaime. vs Stros.
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pitcher fielding practice
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how we won 2006
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craig scooped
no problem
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they made Craig work
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and nice play to end game
looked agile all day.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
and jaime rebounded well
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
"Let's see if Pagnozzi can get Descalso to the plate."
vs Sox. (Rooney)
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"Ryan Franklin, the Cardinal closer, is getting ready in the bullpen."
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the only way he'd get descalso to the plate is if he turns an ankle and descalso is the backup catcher.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
by tom s. on Mar 22, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
it's funny cuz it's true
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joey bombsquad!
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
if only Strauss had been watching the game
Standing in security line at lambert. Horror show. 3 minutes ago via Echofon
http://twitter.com/JoeStrauss/status/10887091835
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but Tony completely defends it
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the faa has ruled that pujols must check his bats and that they must be carried in a separate airplane entirely when he flies.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
bombs!
"There's a lot of things we say that don't make sense to our viewers. Okay, primarily me." ~Al Hrabosky~
BRB Batting Cages.
I gotta hankerin’ to get my swing back to normal.
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dead center
thank god, i was actually starting to fret about stav.
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Bombs away!!!
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 22, 2010 3:32 PM EDT reply actions
Frankie doesn't get the call vs Sox
Henley catches the next one, with a little help from Skip
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Solano has nice play at SS vs Sox
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pitch up -> line drive bh
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btw, LaRue is at first base.
since some of you like that.
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swinging K for Frankie.
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damn, Craig
running catch to end game vs Stros
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JAIME GARCIA
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JAIME OMAR F. GARCIA
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by YesWeOquendo on Mar 22, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
they call him
Señor
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by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
cardinal's b-squad wins in texas.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
yes.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
well, it was more clearly the b-squad when both pujols and holliday were on the other team. with pujols scratched,
it’s not a stark a distinction.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
Shannon makes crack about TJ Large
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it's a SNOWCONE!!!!!
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Jason LaRue
Roger Dean erupts!
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Chief Justice on base
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Gotay's workin' his stat magic
ball four
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Tyler Henley's up
go Memphis!!!
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I (heart) Gotay
Anybody who walks as much as he does is worthy of it.
by Michael_68_1999 on Mar 22, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
baaa-baaa-baaa, you mean.
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by tom s. on Mar 22, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I thought "baaaa" was something that lambs sa....ohhhhhh I get it
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by jd is legend on Mar 22, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
no one at first! ball gets away from Tejada!
Jay scores! Ruben Gotay is in safe!
PARTY!
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Ottavino warming up, per Goold
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I am really starting to get curious
With what the Cardinals are going to do with Jaime Omar Garcia. He is having a strong of a Spring as any Cardinal pitcher. But on the flip side McClellan is having a decent enough Spring to probably but him the 5th starter spot. But is it really in the best interest of the team to stick him in Memphis?
You play the hot hand
Garcia looks pretty dang acceptable as a fifth starter. Another four innings with only two hits and one run? If he can stretch out another inning or so per start, I can live with that.
I think with McClellan might be more valuable in the pen
The right side of our bullpen doesn’t look strong this spring.
by FlimtotheFlam on Mar 22, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he would suit us best
as a setup man. He has done it before and he knows how to do it. Otherwise, you would leave Motte or Boggs to do this job, which sounds risky to me. I say, put Garcia in that 5th spot
And Craig at third… Just sayin’
I want the Walrus back...
Mixed feelings on Craig
Not sure his bat overcomes his defense as a regular. But I’d love to have Craig on the bench, getting 7-10 ABs a week.
I think I agree with you
But the one thing that stands out about Craig is his consistency. He has provided quality offensive seasons every year in the minors. I am sure Oquendo can do a Glaus-type job with him.
But yeah, definitely, have him at least as a bench ultra-PH
I want the Walrus back...
he's a lot more nimble than glaus
the problem seems to be his arm
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
yes, from what ive read this spring, its his arm that has moved him off 3rd, not mobility or hands
that being said, he apparently has the arm for the OF too, so maybe its just an accuracy issue
At this point
seeing this spring what Penny is capable of doing may make McClellan the 4th starter and Garcia the 5th by June.
by Michael_68_1999 on Mar 22, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Every year
the Cardinals have in their rotation (other than maybe 2004) someone befitting the promotion “Automatic Loss Night.” In previous years, it’s been Garret Stephenson, Jason Marquis, Kip Wells and Todd Wellemeyer. I hope nobody in the rotation has that role this year, even Penny.
by Michael_68_1999 on Mar 22, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Why the hell would you bring those names up?
That is a rotation of suck.
by Tom_Lawless_Bat_Flip on Mar 22, 2010 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
Lets remember these games mean very little in the grand scope of things. If Penny is hitting his velocity and feels comfortable with his mechanics, I think he’ll be fine.
At least he better.
doesn't look real comfortable to me
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waino's on it
the new carp?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Waino worked with Hawks before
they had their own pet projects
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waino's been the one around garcia too
would guess carp talks a bit to shelby. and ottavino, his delivery is now somewhat carp-like, so maybe a connection there.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
we play fantasy baseball
they play fantasy baseball with a twist
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Dunc has thoughts
fake blockquote
"I know if he had pitched the first four innings the way he [pitched the last inning, they wouldn’t have put anything up on the board. It looked to me like all of a sudden his focus came in there and he looked like a pitcher. I think that’s a very good way for him to pitch, the way he pitched the fifth inning."
-Dave Duncan, on starter Brad Penny
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from Leach
tweet
MatthewHLeach Duncan on Penny: “I’m not concerned about him. You know why? Because physically he’s really strong and he’s healthy. He’s working hard.” 6 minutes ago via web
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you know who else was really strong?
Welley
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by gdm426 on Mar 23, 2010 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
why did it take 6 hours for someone to make this comment?
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by mattyfrommo on Mar 23, 2010 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions
we were going to say garrett stephenson,
but we didn’t think some of the younger kids would get it
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everytime I hear/read that name
I black out for a little bit
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the white hot flashes of rage still appear when we here his name
every once in a while
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I think you know my feelings on this
McClellan = bullpen, Garcia = 5th starter
"If you don't have outstanding relief pitching, you might as well piss on the fire and call the boggs." -WH
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 22, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
that's fine with me
"If you don't have outstanding relief pitching, you might as well piss on the fire and call the boggs." -WH
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 22, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I am sooooo on board with this
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Whaaaaa?
I would think most of VEB would be on board with this. I know I am!
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by jd is legend on Mar 22, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
i keep hearing people saying jaime should spend the year (or at least start) in the minors
but i think he’s our best option for the 5th starter, so it doesn’t make sense not to have him there.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
I understand that
I think I’m more on the Garcia-for-5th-spot because I don’t want K-Mac starting
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by jd is legend on Mar 22, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
exactly.
i would probably want jaime to finesse his skills in AAA if there were some other viable option for 5th starter. to me, it just seems like there isn’t. k-mac would be disasterous.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
the 5th starter is a myth
read fangraphs recent article.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I don't believe everything I read at fangraphs
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it's just numbers, so nothing not to believe
i think he was going to make a larger point today, but haven’t checked
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
it's more than just numbers
I like fangraphs, but it is definitely more than just numbers
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you read it?
i didn’t see a point, though i read it late late. he just laid out some numbers, and said he’d be making a larger point later.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I read it
it’s his opinion. Sure, he might have some numbers to back up his opinion, but #5 starters can exist. He picked out a seemingly arbitrary number of starts that defined his idea of a #5 starter. He even threw in this line:
This may not be the most scientific way to look at the situation, but it’s quick and dirty and gets the point across.
That post is numbers & opinions. It’s one of my least favorite articles over there.
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like i said, i read it very late
and didn’t pay attention to much but the numbers, because he stated that the article shouldn’t be taken as gospel, that it was merely a precursor to a point to follow, which i assumed was some sort of proposed 5th spot by committee, which is in actually what a lot of folks are advocating here
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
is that like how the closer is a myth?
bwahahahahaha give me a break. I’ll admit the position is overrated, but it’s not like it’s unimportant.
"If you don't have outstanding relief pitching, you might as well piss on the fire and call the boggs." -WH
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 22, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
yes, the closer is more important than the identity of the 5th starter
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
The closer is a myth
People seemed to have confused “it’s not important to throw your best relief pitcher in the 9th inning” with “it’s not important to have a great relief pitcher”.
Not afraid to nitpick
ah cmon
there is added pressure at the end of the game, you can’t have a rookie closer unless he’s something very special.
"If you don't have outstanding relief pitching, you might as well piss on the fire and call the boggs." -WH
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 22, 2010 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions
bingo
I think K-Mac will be overexposed as a starter and might even get hurt again. plus he’s one of the few consistencies we have in the ’pen. plus Jaime is making it very very hard to send him to memphis
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 22, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
No way.
That is a growing sentiment here, me included.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Mar 22, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
ok i stand corrected
guess fourstick is in the minority here.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
i'm in that minority
and anyway, i think it’s already preordained.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
i think the gameplan for garcia was memphis for awhile
and the only real competition was between hill and mac, which seems to have been decided. i don’t think they are looking at otta for the bullpen if mac didn’t already have the 5 job. and i don’t believe garcia would seriously be in the pen in stl. tony and dunc say a lot of stuff, but that’s how i see it – so of course it’s all conjecture.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
TLR has said that Garcia is starting whether thats Memphis or St Louis
so that does raise the question, why stick Ottavino in the pen if you were going to have Mac there?
Really? Why the fuck...
haven’t we been calling this guy “Omar”?
Not only is it funny, it will drastically cut down on all the Jamie’s.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Mar 22, 2010 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I KNOW
Why haven’t we been using this Omar reference more often
by FlimtotheFlam on Mar 22, 2010 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions
in-DEED.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
by tom s. on Mar 22, 2010 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
it would be so awesome if
His bullpen music could be “Farmer in the Dell”
by FlimtotheFlam on Mar 22, 2010 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions
That is the song Omar Little is always whistling
by FlimtotheFlam on Mar 23, 2010 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions
oh, yeah never seen that
but have always heard it’s the best show in the history of tv
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is it really that good?
it can’t be better than the Sopranos can it?
Hope is the worst of all evils, for it prolongs the torment of man
Both shows are amazing.
But The Wire at its best (a hotly contested thing) is better than The Sopranos. I’d say that The Sopranos had more even seasons than The Wire.
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what makes it so good? the writing, acting, the story?
all of the above?
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all of the above
The fourth season just about broke my heart. Watch it.
by peach concrete on Mar 23, 2010 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions
And I thought that one was the weakest.
Though quite necessary in terms of story. The pacing was just way too slow.
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The third and fourth seasons just hit a nerve - I work with middle schoolers.
And working in schools all the testing stuff hit home. But I loved the first season too – I just didn’t get as caught up on the second and last.
I suppose the show is technically about the two sides of the law in Baltimore, but I tend to think of it as a story about the relationships between institutions/systems and individuals. Or something like that.
by peach concrete on Mar 23, 2010 1:44 AM EDT up reply actions
It's definitely about institutions/systems and individuals.
Like I said, for me it was just poor pacing. I liked the characters and the arc of the season. It was just drawn out. The first 6-7 episodes should’ve been the first 4 episodes. The last 3 episodes were fantastic.
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we'd probably have to agree to disagree on this one
but as you know season 4 is probably my favourite, along with #2. I thought the pacing was really good, and all the child actors were sensationally good in it. I think (as in season 2, to some extent) the pacing had to be a little slower to allow you to adjust to all the new characters and the radical change in setting.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Mar 23, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
what's the show about?
why did it almost break your heart?
Hope is the worst of all evils, for it prolongs the torment of man
how the real world is infinitely more
Fucked Up than anything anyone can just make up out of thin air
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
Gotta love that I read
show in the above comment… then Real World in yours and did that math which didn’t work out… then read further and saw what you were talking about. This could be due to the fact I’ve been watching some Real World I’ve missed tonite…
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
since I randomly capitalize words I can understand the confusion
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
moost?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
ooh gotcha
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
i totally agree
the wire rec’d
"...and pujols has given st louis the lead"
The Best Defensive Play I Have Seen in Person/a>
Skip lines to center, base hit
damn Skippy!
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
4 hits!
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Solano safe at home
ball gets away from catcher, advance to third
1st and 3rd
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Descalso gets to second
two score
sloppy infield play again
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
ironically enough for DanUp
Rappoport bats for Rasmus
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
he also gets himself a fair ball
woohoo!
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
did boston just give up?
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
they put in a guy named TJ Large.
then buttered up their gloves.
Jason LaRue at the dish!
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
His name is really Large?
I hope he weighs a buck fifty
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Mar 22, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Shannon made a medium and extra joke
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I think he's raised his batting average about 40 points today...
At this rate, he will be batting his typical .300 by Friday.
For all the talk about bullpen weakness
Mr. Miller has still given up ZERO runs this spring. Another inning pitched today with no hits and two strikeouts. This piece of the pen looks pretty dang solid.
it's that darn right side that's going to be keeping everyone up at night this season
Hope is the worst of all evils, for it prolongs the torment of man
Trev is awesome
possibly even underrated
"If you don't have outstanding relief pitching, you might as well piss on the fire and call the boggs." -WH
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 22, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Ottavino for closer?
just halfway kidding?
"If you don't have outstanding relief pitching, you might as well piss on the fire and call the boggs." -WH
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 22, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Shannonism
http://twitter.com/JohnMarecek/status/10888445055
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I love me some in mid-season form Mike Shannon
no surprise really, the beer is also fresh in ST
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
what's the deal?
Is Otto showing great velocity or something?
I don't know. it's the radio.
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
LaRue HBP again
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
it is, so far, a 7-run eighth innning.
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
pity-clapping for catching Jay's high fly
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
we have a Smith?
taking over at first base
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
nice
"If you don't have outstanding relief pitching, you might as well piss on the fire and call the boggs." -WH
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 22, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
If I had a Million dollars
I would totally do two Cardinal victories at the same time
by FlimtotheFlam on Mar 22, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
jinxing jinxer.
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
ok, now you can post it.
/future.
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
20 hits so far by Cards
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
maybe Mark is having a good effect
"If you don't have outstanding relief pitching, you might as well piss on the fire and call the boggs." -WH
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 22, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
it's more that some of the pitchers sucked
and the infield buttered their gloves.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
so Mark isn't making a mark?
"If you don't have outstanding relief pitching, you might as well piss on the fire and call the boggs." -WH
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 22, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
crowd clapping
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
molina in at catcher for boston.
it’s a good thing they’re not both in the same game.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
double chicken dinner!
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
two chicks at once?
/hat tip to flim
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
by tom s. on Mar 22, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Go go gadget threesome.
Note: Above comment may contain gratuitous amounts of sarcasm.
BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS
Heh
Love xkcd
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Mar 22, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Hahaha, heck yeah. Today's was notably chuckleworthy.
Note: Above comment may contain gratuitous amounts of sarcasm.
BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS
This is a little light on the rec's
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
how did ottavino finish up the game?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Pujols contract extension
The Cards to be patient here. The possibility of a hometown discount is already up in smoke. AP is getting older, has numerous nagging physical problems. The Cards are in a win/win situation by not panicking and waiting for him to be a free agent. If they wait, they can’t pay much more on the up side and they might get him for a lot less if his body doesn’t hold up. i love the guy, hope he has record years for the rest of his life, but realistically, I think they should wait it out.
oh hell no
if they want to sign him, they need to get it done before he hits FA.
My heart couldn’t take it.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
I don't like Goold's newest
Cuts coming. Relievers like Salas and Parise and infielder Ruben Gotay
I want Salas to make it over Hawksworth.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
he won't make it over hawksworth
but there is still a spot up in the air for now
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
dude
just be glad that Gotay is in that sentence
"If you don't have outstanding relief pitching, you might as well piss on the fire and call the boggs." -WH
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 22, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
meh
I have this eerie suspicion that Stav is going to make the team, and I’d probably prefer Gotay to Stav.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
If Mather keeps hitting bombs, and Craig keeps hitting like Pujols Jr, we have nothing to worry about
well, I suppose TLR is pretty unpredictable…
"If you don't have outstanding relief pitching, you might as well piss on the fire and call the boggs." -WH
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 22, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Gotta love that Stav
is the lowest rated player on the Cards in MLB10… I swear more and more that game is magical
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
Trade him!
His value may never be higher!
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Mar 22, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
But see
That’s still a better pitch line than Mo’s been used to giving. It used to be “I will [redacted] if you take Nick Stavinoha!”
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Mar 22, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
These actually don't make a lot of sense to me
How is Salas cut when their is an obvious opening in the bullpen and he has had a strong spring. Also, Lugo is not even off the DL yet so why cut Gotay?
by FlimtotheFlam on Mar 22, 2010 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions
no gotay, but still greene
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
paaaaanic
it's even on-topic
[breathes into paper bag]
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I can't afford the ventilator
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
no shit, those suckers are f'ing expensive
Hope is the worst of all evils, for it prolongs the torment of man
good possibility they find some changes
in a disc. I bet if we took a survey of VEB’ers, we would find that well over half of us would have some sort of disc pathology. It is not uncommon for asymptomatic issues in discs. Just because albert is having some stiffness in his back and, if he did have some disc pathology, doesn’t mean that the disc is causing the discomfort. I have seen several people who have had back pain and stiffness that a MD sent them for an MRI and found degenerative joint disease or bulging discs or even slight tears that conservative treatment has completely eliminated their symptoms.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
If it's keeping him out of games, it's probably not good.
He plays through all sorts of pain. Of course, it could just be that it’s spring training and that’s why they’re being so cautious.
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I would go with the latter
and the earlier explanation that because Albert’s elbow is feeling so much better this spring he has been overdoing it in the cages.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
I have seen several people who have had back pain and stiffness that a MD sent them for an MRI and found degenerative joint disease or bulging discs or even slight tears that conservative treatment has completely eliminated their symptoms.
This is me.
Think; It's not illegal yet.
I hope
you haven’t been persuaded to get cut on and have went with conservative approaches. Back surgery is nothing to sneeze at! (or after for that matter)
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
I wish that work comp would've been more conservative with my husband's spine.
Instead he had the surgery, which took forever to heal from.
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Back stregthening exercises corrected almost all my back problems.
I did some PT and they started me out with really low level stuff. Then I started doing more compound exercises that require core stability (squats, lunges, deadlifts). When I slowly raised the weight (with my ability to maintain form always the guideline), I’ve made huge gains in core stability and I haven’t thrown my back out in quite some time. I’m too young to have back surgery (fingers crossed).
Think; It's not illegal yet.
core stability is the key
you should be fine as long as you keep up the good work on the stabilizers. But keeping your fingers crossed cant hurt; except for when you try to type!
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
if y'all can tear yourself away for a moment... here's some baseball.
- BJRains Pagnozzi optioned…Gotay, Parise, Salas, Sanchez and Perez reassigned to minor league camp. Cards now with 31 players in camp. 2 minutes ago via web
- dgoold Cardinals cuts, official: Optioned Pagnozzi, reassigned Gotay, Parise, Ed. Sanchez, O. Perez, Fernando Salas. Now 31 in #stlcard camp 32 minutes ago via web
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Kind of have a basketball hangover.
Might as well get some baseball in.
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
Gah!
Possibly the two best relievers of the spring get sent out, yet Hawk stays. Double Gah.
Gah, Gah.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
i think it's "gaw"
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
hey, did ottavino pitch a flawless ninth - anything?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
2H, 1R, 0BB (!), 2 K
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
Shannon said he came out of the bullpen carrying a can of gasoline.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
that's what made me ask
didn’t know if it meant he got lit up, or he was throwing gas. but then, shannon himself probably didn’t know what he meant.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
hooray pagnozzi being optioned! boo stavinoha remaining in camp!
interesting that all these relievers go and ottavino stays . . . .
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
Mo said something about innings totals
unless I can’t speak Mo anymore, probably some guys haven’t gotten their work in, so they’re staying.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
dunc may have his eye on ottavino as the new mac
as in, you’ll be a starter again down the line, but for now you are a reliever. i’m pretty disappointed in that, if true. i’d keep salas for the last spot and let otto join jaime in the memphis rotation for now.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Salas seems much better this spring
Last time I checked he has a 9K to 1BB ratio
by FlimtotheFlam on Mar 22, 2010 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions
and we know he's a reliever
ottavino is much more valuable as a starter, and i’m not ready to throw in the towel on that yet
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
otto is already on the 40-man roster.
i think that’s what’s behind this.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
dammit
Stavino is still alive. Damn you, Stavino!!
"If you don't have outstanding relief pitching, you might as well piss on the fire and call the boggs." -WH
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 22, 2010 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm a proud Stavino/Stavinoha hater
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Mar 23, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
i hate 'em both too
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
read the signature
that is all
Allen Craig > Nick Stavinoha
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 23, 2010 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions
so, if salas was cut
i guess they’re committing to otto for the pen in the event kmac is a starter?
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
so Otto gets lit up for the first month
then is replaced by Salas?
I gotta say, I am not so impressed with Mo’s roster construction over the last couple Spring Trainings.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
rico washington says they are genius.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
Uncle Rico!
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Mar 22, 2010 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions
look at it this way, without joe, we'd have never met the bear
and we think we can all agree our lives are so much better with the bear in them
Hope is the worst of all evils, for it prolongs the torment of man
I would rather have
Gotay than Greene.
by FlimtotheFlam on Mar 22, 2010 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions
for sure
"If you don't have outstanding relief pitching, you might as well piss on the fire and call the boggs." -WH
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 22, 2010 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Possibly a dumb question
What’s the difference between getting reassigned and being optioned?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
optioned means that one of his option years was used (he's on the 40 man)
whereas reassigned means someone who was in camp on a minor league deal, was reassigned to the minor league camp.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Might wanna learn that before taking that Mariners job, eh?
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Mar 22, 2010 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Might wanna stop shopping at the toilet store, eh?
Jerk.
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
lotta jerks around here today
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
All caps gets you flagged?
No wonder TOLAXOR hasn’t been around in a fortnight.
by Mister Eff on Mar 22, 2010 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I love that his legend lives on
in us longer been around, nerdy Cardinal bloggers.
TOLAXOR blazed a trail. He blazed… a trail.
...
http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2008/8/6/587679/game-115-overflow-ii-when#7911289
Also, this.
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i wasn't around for him
but the few comments people have linked to always gave me the same feeling i had listening to don king talk.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
That thread is an emotional rollercoaster.
Damn, 2008 sucked. Bullpen despair to the point where people were calling for K-Mac as closer. And then a Luddy walk-off win in extra innings. Plus we got Felipe Lopez that night, though Hardcore Legend wishes we would’ve gotten Bonds instead. And Azru was disappointed that TLR didn’t get mad during the post-game interview.
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ohio, and born 1905
it’s gdm
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
No.
He said Columbus was beautiful.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
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by ClemsonGirl on Mar 22, 2010 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
you're right
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
HFS
®
we never knew TOLAXOR was from here. we wonder if we’ve ever crossed paths?
btw, we were in downtown cbus to sight see with our aunt who made a quick trip out east, and we don’t know if it was just because it was actually a sunny warm day, or because we were around Missouri people, but it didn’t suck.
Hope is the worst of all evils, for it prolongs the torment of man
when sightseeing in columbus
with an aunt doesn’t suck, you’ve turned a corner.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
well, tbh, sometimes nothing but more torment
awaits around the corner.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
he still shows up pretty regularly at BTF
AND HE’S STILL GOING STRONG.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
BTF?
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Mar 23, 2010 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions
baseballthinkfactory
actually, after posting that I clicked the link and apparently i posted the same thing in 2008, with a link to TOLAXOR’s BTF profile. Lol.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
some of those damn oldies need to comment every now and then
I’ve never even heard of that Bowen
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
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by mattyfrommo on Mar 22, 2010 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
and
“I just farted so loud, biscuits flew out of the oven”?
How did I miss that game thread?
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
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by mattyfrommo on Mar 22, 2010 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Last season was the first season I was regularly in game threads.
I used to work at night, so I’d get home and read the (much shorter back then) threads.
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i thought i was in most game threads in 08
I need to go back and see who that was against, I do remember being at a Luddy walkoff game that season
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Mar 22, 2010 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I was in the main post that day
and had one line in the overflow.
I must have been getting extremely drunk or getting some that night, otherwise I would have had to console/celebrate in that game thread
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Mar 23, 2010 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions
And I thought I got excited about So Taguchi.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
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by ClemsonGirl on Mar 22, 2010 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
every paragraph
also ends with either an ellipsis or multiple exclamation points
i think i need a xanax
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Mar 22, 2010 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
fourstick?
/kidding
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
damnit, we wish we'd have seen this subtread to use the pic
Hope is the worst of all evils, for it prolongs the torment of man
You guys couldn't say anything?
Even the guy who can’t think could say something!
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Mar 22, 2010 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions
have we done up the adoption papers yet?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
This'll be interesting
Statnerds, prepare the pitchforks!
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
I really like that Lisa Gray's comment
gonna have to check back in to see his reply to that one
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
Have you tweeked your proxies yet?
Just tried to use to open Ensbergs blog, and got slapped down, also it wouldn’t run FSM video earlier.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
it is weird
It will run some Flash and scripts but not others
by FlimtotheFlam on Mar 22, 2010 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions
A lot of sites if you want to view them
Have alternative mobile versions that don’t have scripts that work fine with the proxy
by FlimtotheFlam on Mar 22, 2010 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions
what's the deal with this proxy server?
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
just something I made
I wanted to make a better proxy for MLB.tv blackouts. But in that regard it is a failure so far
by FlimtotheFlam on Mar 22, 2010 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I like it
but I have limited knowledge of proxy servers. Are you gonna be able to tell which porn sites we visit?
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
I just ran Ensbergs blog fine through the Proxy
Some places block all URL’s with the word Proxy in them.
by FlimtotheFlam on Mar 22, 2010 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions
It's just hit and miss through this firewall.
I get websensed for youtube, but it will get through with the proxy. Ensberg’s site gets caught both ways.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
You guys are good at the internets
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Collective Bargaining Agreement
I suggested earlier that The Cards give Albert a percentage of the gate. Lots of comments indicating that this against collective bargaining agreement.
I don’t see anything that indicates this can’t be done. As BP points out today, there is a specific prohibition against an ownership stake but even that is subject to Commisitioner review — in fact there is a special section to the player contract that allows teams to put in unique non-standard clauses.
Can anyone else shed light on where % of gate would be banned?
Just win
i don't think it is
as an attendance bonus, since griffey got it in seattle.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
When pitchers used to be real men
The all time record for wins in a season goes to Old Hoss Radbourn with 59 wins and 678.2 IP.
I have seen it before
But never put 2 and 2 together before
by FlimtotheFlam on Mar 22, 2010 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions
okay rosterbators
K-Mac! Ottavino! Garcia!
Lugo vs. Greene!
boom.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
it's like an endangered animal
I suspect I was SBN’d. Link’s below.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
that link doesn't work for me
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Allen Craig vs Nick Stavinoha
who will be the last man standing http://yourenotagolfer.mlblogs.com/archives/2010/03/roster_math.html
McClellan, are you bullpen or starter? you seem like bullpen to me. Garcia, you are sure acting like the 5th starter
"If you don't have outstanding relief pitching, you might as well piss on the fire and call the boggs." -WH
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 22, 2010 8:22 PM EDT reply actions
I'll need to go on a serious bender if Stav beats out Craig
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
oh why can't stav just step aside
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I think Tony
Just likes having undertalented players around that totally depend on his will. No proof, just a feeling.
Play ball!
by IL and StL Fan on Mar 23, 2010 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions
I just got off a 6 day one
but I’ll do it again… say no to stavino!
Allen Craig > Nick Stavinoha
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 22, 2010 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh come on
We all know the answer, it’s Stavinoha
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Mar 22, 2010 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions
But you know it will
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Mar 22, 2010 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions
tony is deliberately trying to blow everyone's mind
or mo wants him on the roster so he can say, “hey look, he made the team, and it’s better than your team – anyone interested?” then when the bag of balls is delivered, they bring up craig.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
O please o please o please...
"Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals." --Churchill
McClellan as a starter please.
He’s a fungible commodity as a reliever. He’s got the pitches to be a decent backend starter where he’d likely be more valuable. I still am not so much a fan of Ottavino to the pen though.
It seems like more and more the Cardinals are wanting to “break guys in” by using them out of the pen. I’m not sure I much care for that.
Think; It's not illegal yet.
Agreed, while there is upside in Garcia
there is also created value by converting KMac to a starter if he’s capable. Since he hasn’t shown otherwise I think it would be a waste to put him in the pen.
Starting Garcia in Memphis isn’t the worst thing in the world, and at the rate pitchers get hurt it’s likely we’ll see him in the bigs sooner rather than later. I don’t see Garcia over KMac being necessary at this point. Even though I do consider that an upgrade I think it’s good to try and stockpile starting pitching.
reading the numbers at fangraphs
7 teams, or basically a quarter, used 10 or more starters last year. i think the average was over 7. so we will almost certainly need them both, plus ottavino too, so i wish they’d just send him to memphis too and keep salas for the pen.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
nice stat
If we didn’t have such a decisive edge in the division this year I might want Garcia immediately, but I think sending him to Memphis at the start is a luxury we can afford.
Maybe I’m overconfident.
Albert Pujols had an MRI today.
yeah, so.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
so, is this albert crap the beginning of the end?
should we begin preparing for the worst?
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
you need a password for my bunker
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
apocalypse clause!
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Ode to Jaime Garcia
There once was a pitcher named Jaime
This year, for the Cardinals, he might play
But if he gets sent down
We will all have to frown
Watching K-Mac pitch every five days.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
by IHeartBoog on Mar 22, 2010 8:57 PM EDT reply actions 11 recs
JAIME GARCIA
well done, IHB
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
thank you Y2S
this limerick was in no way** influenced by the aforementioned rec tallies
**no way = maybe just a little bit
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
how about an allen craig one?
of course mention stav
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
i had one
but it only works if doesn’t make the team. so hopefully i will never have to use it.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
well write one where he does make the team
we need positive energy here. this is serious.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
ode to allen craig (its not great, but meh)
there once was a player named allen
a hitter with natural talent
nick fought him for a spot
but craig’s bat was too hot
his face is erased from milk gallons.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
by IHeartBoog on Mar 22, 2010 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
I like it.
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by ClemsonGirl on Mar 22, 2010 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
JAIME speaks
http://www.globe-democrat.com/audioclips/204/
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
He handles the media well for a young guy
“I will do anything they want.”
“I like the veterans, they are awesome.”
“If LaDunc have said anything to me about my chances, I’m sure as hell not telling you.”
“I am in the best shape of my life.”
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
I doubt this is the case with Jaime
but wouldn’t it be funny if that were all the English they were taught…
maybe that’s why we liked So so much.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Mar 23, 2010 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions
plus he loves yadi and talked about him to his mom
but that’s not to take away from larue, he’s awesome too.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
everyone talks to their mom about Yadi
right?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Mar 23, 2010 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions
well, I know I do
don’t you?
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
LaRue is not really the type of guy you want to talk to your mom about.
With the Pornstache and all.
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by ClemsonGirl on Mar 23, 2010 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions
one's dad, perhaps...
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Mar 23, 2010 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Ode to Jamie Garcia
Moonman knows a pitcher named Jamie
His fave youngster since Colberson Ramie
But his friends act restrained
When he brings up their names
Seems like no one else watches this Jamie
by DanUpBaby on Mar 22, 2010 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
we were going for construvtive criticism
we hope IHB keeps them coming forever & ever & ever & ever & ever & ever & ever & ever & ever & ever & ever & ever & ever & ever & ever & ever & ever & ever & ever & ever & ever & ever & ever & ever
Hope is the worst of all evils, for it prolongs the torment of man
Jaime is really hard to rhyme with
and i’m actually kind of pround of the “might play” and “five days” because they are almost double rhymes.
these players need nicknames. makes my job easier.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
i thought jaime was to be omar?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I would mix in a bit of swing and use a line like "A river, to cry me" or something
but then I’m not very goo at this sort of thing.
Buy me?
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Mar 23, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
but it's High-May, right?
that’s the spanish pronunciation anyway.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
I was going high-me
as that’s easier to rhyme. I think it can be pronounced that way, no?
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Mar 23, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I suyppose you can pronounce it however you want
But I was trying to be authentic. I don’t think I would like it if people mispronounced my name.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
yours is a funny name
but it’s easy to pronounce
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I didn't think I was.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Mar 24, 2010 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Thing with Stavinoha
He and all AAAA guys will forever remind me of Mike Coolbaugh after reading the book about his death. Such a tragedy. I’d love for Stavino to make a team somewhere (like Pittsburgh) and have a couple of league average seasons.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
he should go join Dick & PK in KC
Hope is the worst of all evils, for it prolongs the torment of man
y'know,
ST is cool and all and baseball life is much better than it was a month ago, but i’m ready for some night games. i’m ready to be able to come home and watch a game almost every night
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Mar 22, 2010 10:53 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I agree.......this day game after day game crap is old.....
however, I’m about to start the game on the dvr, so there’s that.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Just think...
This is how Cubs fans live.
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by ClemsonGirl on Mar 22, 2010 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If you want to call it that.
"Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals." --Churchill
by lordsummer on Mar 22, 2010 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
line of the night
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Mar 22, 2010 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions
This is how Cubs fans endure?
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by ClemsonGirl on Mar 22, 2010 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
In fairness it's only on Fridays
and then assorted other days during the season. They have a lot more nite games now.
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
sometimes natural selection works?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions
nothing can stop her
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
...it's a helluva drug
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Mar 22, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
and from the article it sounded like she wanted to upgrade
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
130+ texts per day, holy crap
I don’t have enough friends to do that, let alone enough things to say to my friends.
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
you know that 110 of them went something like:
“hey watsup”
“nothing. u?”
“bored lol”
“omg me 2”
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
by tom s. on Mar 23, 2010 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I love the bored lol thing.
I just don’t know when being bored become something that makes you laugh out loud.
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by ClemsonGirl on Mar 23, 2010 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions
became*
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by ClemsonGirl on Mar 23, 2010 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions
that's good
maybe it didn’t see anything; maybe it was being told something
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
ditto, we can't even remember the last time we got a text
Hope is the worst of all evils, for it prolongs the torment of man
or a pitch f/x post.
but this comment has me meeting the quota on vep bashing so more to come sunday.
by CodyG on Mar 23, 2010 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I have a 200 text per month plan
and have no idea how to use all of those… But she is a brat from Lake County so that helps to explain a lot of it.
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
whenever i feel dreary
such as when studying for a terrible terrible midterm, i go to baseball reference or the veb archives to look at my favorite memories of stl lore
such as the greatest game i ever saw (and the last one at busch ii)
http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2005/8/7/24157/98245
or
albert made me scream like a girl
http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2005/10/17/174424/05
or
holy smokes, am i really seeing albert at 2nd base, or “i played hookey and all i saw was tlr go insane
”http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/MIL/MIL200804220.shtml" target="_blank">http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/MIL/MIL200804220.shtml
or
man, i love chris carpenter, and going to skool in WI
http://mlb.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?content_id=6526789
or
hey if yesterday wasn’t awesome enough, here’s love blossoming with lego
http://mlb.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?content_id=6548163
good times. let the ’10 season begin.
"...and pujols has given st louis the lead"
The Best Defensive Play I Have Seen in Person/a>
i can click on your link
and watch molina pick off theriot with mccarver saying “unbelievable”, but get a blank screen on any other mlb videos people link to – have there been any further theories on this?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Still works in Chrome for me
So I still think it must be AdBlock related.
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
HFS
®
i came to talk basketball & some baseball games broke out
Hope is the worst of all evils, for it prolongs the torment of man
I am disappointed
it seems like there has been no relationship advice in months
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Mar 22, 2010 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
this shit is hard to dig through
there’s really no relationship for old gdm to bring up anymore. rest assured if things change he’ll let you all know
Hope is the worst of all evils, for it prolongs the torment of man
schizo?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
multiple personalities
and they all hate each other
Hope is the worst of all evils, for it prolongs the torment of man
next month it'll be verb tense.
all past perfect one day, then present progressive the next.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
by tom s. on Mar 23, 2010 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
yeah, um, probably not
because we have no idea what you just said
Hope is the worst of all evils, for it prolongs the torment of man
that's why I love gdm
he’ll entertain the hell out of ya
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Mar 23, 2010 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions
i read kissingsuzykolber for my relationship advice
and i tots skipped the basketball discussion. the timberwolves haven’t been good in ages.
"...and pujols has given st louis the lead"
The Best Defensive Play I Have Seen in Person/a>
by tgreenfield on Mar 22, 2010 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Question:
Does being on the 40 man affect a baseballer’s pay at all? Also, can it do anything to do with the arbitration clock?
I’ve been googling for info on 40 man rosters and can find anything about money (assuming there’s something to find.)
"There's a lot of things we say that don't make sense to our viewers. Okay, primarily me." ~Al Hrabosky~
Anybody who they had to tender a contract to
or any player who has spent at least one day in the majors gets a minimum salary of $65K if they are on the 40-man roster and playing in the minors. See pp 11-12 here.
The exception is the player still on his first professional contract who is on the 40-man. They get less ($32.5K). I cannot imagine it happens too often that a player is on the 40-man and still on his first contract. The cases I could think of were higher draft picks who are making more than the minimum anyway and Latin American signings like Eduardo Sanchez when they move quickly through the minors and are added.
"I learned a long time ago if you keep checking your stats all year, you're going to end up in the toilet." - Chris Carpenter, 2009.
Nice!
thanks so much
"There's a lot of things we say that don't make sense to our viewers. Okay, primarily me." ~Al Hrabosky~
by YesWeOquendo on Mar 23, 2010 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions
i don't believe it affects pay
but as tom pointed out today, ottavino is on the 40 (and presumably salas is not), which could drive a decision to keep otto over salas because of the option involved.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
You know, Dan, it really is
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
by mysterui on Mar 23, 2010 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I am prepared for just about everything baseball
but I don’t know if I’m ready for another round of Dan n’ Al.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Mar 23, 2010 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions
it was the contract everyone was waiting for
what a disappointment
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Mar 23, 2010 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions
I am still holding out hope that they get traded before the season starts
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Mar 23, 2010 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions
I hope they stay
their replacement is rick horton
"There's a lot of things we say that don't make sense to our viewers. Okay, primarily me." ~Al Hrabosky~
by YesWeOquendo on Mar 23, 2010 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Vince!
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by ClemsonGirl on Mar 23, 2010 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Vince!!
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Mar 23, 2010 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Git em r jeb!
"There's a lot of things we say that don't make sense to our viewers. Okay, primarily me." ~Al Hrabosky~
by YesWeOquendo on Mar 23, 2010 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions
That was seriously one of the most amusing games of the season just because of Vince.
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by ClemsonGirl on Mar 23, 2010 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions
VEB was crazy that day
I’m looking to see what was up (besides vince of course)
"There's a lot of things we say that don't make sense to our viewers. Okay, primarily me." ~Al Hrabosky~
by YesWeOquendo on Mar 23, 2010 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions
so it needs to be a mega-trade
I am alright with one of the biggest announcing trades in baseball history going down
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Mar 23, 2010 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Who are we trading for?
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by ClemsonGirl on Mar 23, 2010 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd say uecker
but it’s within our division so not likely to happen
"There's a lot of things we say that don't make sense to our viewers. Okay, primarily me." ~Al Hrabosky~
by YesWeOquendo on Mar 23, 2010 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe we could a do a three way with the Indians.
Although their announcers are also bad.
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by ClemsonGirl on Mar 23, 2010 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions
I know there's some vin scully (dodgers) love amongst some VEBers
git er done mo!
"There's a lot of things we say that don't make sense to our viewers. Okay, primarily me." ~Al Hrabosky~
by YesWeOquendo on Mar 23, 2010 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions
he fell on his head.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Mar 23, 2010 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions
I remember a game last year,
where he seemed to have a guess there height weight thing going on for every one of the Card coming up to bat. It was a little weird.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
admittedly I've not heard much of him
but he does seem to have a taste of crazy. him and shannon would be something worth seeing
i miss jack buck
"There's a lot of things we say that don't make sense to our viewers. Okay, primarily me." ~Al Hrabosky~
by YesWeOquendo on Mar 23, 2010 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions
nah hes fine
"There's a lot of things we say that don't make sense to our viewers. Okay, primarily me." ~Al Hrabosky~
by YesWeOquendo on Mar 23, 2010 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions
yes
it was a relief
but it would suck to take him away from the dodgers
jamie and frank are already gong to chainsaw everything in half.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Mar 23, 2010 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions
we better take him away then
Scully does not need to go out that way
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Mar 23, 2010 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions
I wish he would describe the man stew on air
instead of that travesty of FESPN
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Mar 23, 2010 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions
though pa would often tell me that ma died of scarlet fever,
i remember that her last words were
Maybe we could a do a three way with the Indians.
-laura ingalls wilder
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
by tom s. on Mar 23, 2010 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions 9 recs
is that before or after the spring Colby wasted away in the tundra of Minnesota?
and then lingered entirely undramatically for days?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Mar 23, 2010 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions
this is much funnier than the line about Grady I was going to go with
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
OMG Hilarious
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Let's get Morgan Ensberg.
Or Bert Blyleven.
"What's your favorite Chuck Palahniuk book?"
"I like the one about the alienated character who finds the socially unacceptable way of coping with modernity."
did anyone check out the likeability scores on cardinal 70
sounds like al is going for consecutive losing seasons
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I'm glad Jack Wilson isn't in the NL anymore
because he can be a sicker shortstop than Boog.
and I don’t mean his face.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I was lurking over on BCB last night
And I made my first ever BCB comment in one of their Fanposts. It was rec’d by Al and went green.
I think I’ll quit while I’m ahead and never post there again.
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
What did you say?
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by ClemsonGirl on Mar 23, 2010 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Some fan was freaking out about the Toyota ad they're putting up and how it's not tasteful/classy/whatever
And I was basically saying that a) tasteful is completely subjective, and I think the ad is perfectly fine myself, b) Wrigley Field isn’t going to have its aura of holiness ruined by a single ad beyond the left field wall, and c) there’s already ads all over the place (including some Chevy ads right on the dugouts and a casino ad — casinos don’t strike me as classy or tasteful — that the new ad will actually be obscuring).
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
yes, tell us so we don't have to go there.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Mar 23, 2010 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions
which fanpost?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
and another one bites the dust
how many of us BCB virgins are left?
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Mar 23, 2010 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions
reading there or posting?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
signing up over there is enough to leave you all nasty
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Mar 23, 2010 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions
well, the only reason to sign up is to post
i often read there. al sorta cracks me up, and a few others like blou, and of course wreckard.
i was reading up on strasburg and a link took me to the nats sbn site, the game thread when craig and greene took him deep. they kept wondering “who are these guys” about the cards memphis team. they’re pretty good-natured, even the most enthusiastic supporters say stuff like, “hope we’re in the wild card hunt when strasburg comes up…lol”
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
The only reason I signed up
was so I could ‘Z’ through comments while getting my schadenfreude fix.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
hadn't thought of that
although they don’t seem to have these 1000+ comments like here. i probably check about twice a week to see if there are any fanposts that look promising to be contentious.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
when I want to sort through 1000 comments fast
I just ctrl+f “1 recs” and find the the highest reced posts. Just work up from 1,2,3….
by FlimtotheFlam on Mar 23, 2010 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Heh
I do this also.
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
Me too
I even looked into a Firefox add-on that would allow for regular expressions in the search box so that I could put in something like “>0 recs” and see everything that’s been rec’d at least once
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Mar 23, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
You could always make something like that.
And, of course, the problem with not reading unrec’d comments is that there are likely some real gems that get missed. I typically end up reading everything anyway.
STAB STAB STAB
all you agree this is a good idea
But didn’t even get one rec
by FlimtotheFlam on Mar 23, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
there
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Mar 23, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
panhandlers always get me
“spare a rec?”
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Mar 23, 2010 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Me too!
Or I just control F “FIP”, “pitch f/x”, “hazel”, “all4tookie”, “vep”, “douchebag”
by vivaelpujols on Mar 23, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm going to start using the word "flippant" and "accidentally" leave out the L
Just for you
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Mar 23, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I mean use the word "flippant" without the L
It will be an “accident”…“fippant” heheh
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Mar 23, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I usually ctrl F "strawman", "hitler"
always find the best arguments that way
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Mar 24, 2010 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I had a strawman hitler I used for target practice growing up on the farm
lets just say I doubt he appreciated the Bris I gave him with a broad-head at 20 paces.
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
by TomCat009 on Mar 24, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well I'm not even a member so...
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by ClemsonGirl on Mar 23, 2010 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions
I only clicked the Fanpost because it was titled "Dear Tom"
Turned out to be an open letter to Tom Ricketts, but since I know tom s. posts over there, I thought it might be some kind of Cubs-Cards shot at him that I needed to get in on. Alas, it was someone moaning about a stupid sign.
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
Cubs fans: They never fail... to FAIL.
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by ClemsonGirl on Mar 23, 2010 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions
And since we have some Cubs fans who have commented here:
Please know I’m joking. Y’all are lovely.
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by ClemsonGirl on Mar 23, 2010 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Because they really are lovely.
Just confused.
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you should have read the actual interview with Ricketts...
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Mar 23, 2010 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions
we'ver never been, and we'll never darken their doors
evar
Hope is the worst of all evils, for it prolongs the torment of man
this is what you miss, gdm
al is in arizona, and this exchange took place in today’s front page post:
How on earth does Ronnie Woo Woo get himself to Arizonza?!?!
I don’t understand how the man can successfully cross the intersection of Clark & Addison. And now he has the financial means and wits to get to Arizona? Good grief.
by BLou on Mar 22, 2010
I don’t know if it’s still the case….
… but some of the idiot "morning zoo" DJ’s used to pay his way. I have no idea who does it now. When he’s in Arizona, he mooches and steals.
Absolutely disgusting.
by Al Yellon on Mar 22, 2010
i’m hoping everyone knows of ronnie woo woo. i gave him a quarter once when he was panhandling, but i’d have given him more had i only known.
what else i took from my reading there: parise stunk it up today (couldn’t get an out), but they are all gnashing their teeth over him making the roster – sort of our deal with stav. however, the main problem is that he would be the 12th pitcher, and they pretty unanimously want 11, as does piniella apparently. rothschild however is insisting on 12. (they must chuckle over our 13-man staff angst).
nady it seems can’t throw and may begin the season on the DL.
from who’s in the mix for their bench (according to them) i think it will rival our bench of last year for suckitude. no millar or hoffpauir – a couple of names we know – unless nady begins on DL and/or they go with 11 pitchers.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
oh, and giving samardzija 10 mil no-trade not really working out too well
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
staying pure!
i better not marry a cubs fan…
"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."
If you don't live around Chicago
you can greatly increase the odds of avoiding that situation.
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
opinions on Jaime
B_Walton How are AAA starts healthier than MLB ones? RT @MatthewHLeach: Would 2 mos. of AAA starts to mitigate health risk be bad for Garcia? about 10 hours ago via TweetDeck
dgoold @B_Walton I never got sense it was about innings, it was about proving his arm could rebound start to start, and not test it at MLB level. about 11 hours ago via web
B_Walton 19 mos after TJ surgery and counting. RT @dgoold: It was proving his arm could rebound start to start, not test it at MLB level. about 10 hours ago via TweetDeck
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I knew shit was gonna be real when I came to this post and it had like 100 new comments
It’s yesterday’s post. Sigh…
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
no worries.
i have an OCD issue with needing to read everything.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
Thank God I don't
Although I kept an eye on this one
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Mar 23, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Me too....
I still have to read Friday’s post, but haven’t had time to open it yeet.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Same.
And now i realize I have just made everyone else with OCD come back here and read this.
hahahahaha Power!
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I usually say these things in my head and don't actually type them out.
But I’ve been tired lately and when I’m tired it’s kind of like I’m drunk and have no inhibitions.
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I thought you didn't drink...
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
or at least get drunk
but the “no inhibitions” makes me think this is just a hypothetical
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I don't.
But that is what people tell me about getting drunk. I figure why get drunk when I can just deprive myself of sleep and get the same effects?
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by ClemsonGirl on Mar 24, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Because getting drunk doesn't require sleep deprivation
"There's a new sheriff in town." - Brendan Ryan
by jd is legend on Mar 24, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes but I have no choice but to be sleep deprived right now to get work done.
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Likely story...
and because drunk and sleep deprived are different… you should really try the drunk thing sometime…
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
damnit people!
stop trying to convert Cgirly into partaking in your deviant exercises. she’s one of the good ones, leave her be
Hope is the worst of all evils, for it prolongs the torment of man
My sole purpose in life
is to be a bad influence on others…
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
congrats, you're doing a hell of a job!
Hope is the worst of all evils, for it prolongs the torment of man
It doesn't sound fun.
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it's not
6ly Cgirly, if you drink, just drink enough till you get a good buzz going, then stop & have some water, gatorade, or VH20 & make sure you eat something with some weight behind it. then when the buzz starts to fade, have a little more to get it back. but you gotta watch how much you’re drinking because the buzz won’t come back quickly. don’t slam 5 shots or shotgun a few cans of cheap beer. keep it to vodka redbulls or whatever mixed drink strikes your fancy.
and above all else, never drive or get in the car with someone who has. you can be safe & have a grand old time, you don’t have to choose. have fun, but not too much fun.
Hope is the worst of all evils, for it prolongs the torment of man
I know all of this.
I would never, ever, ever drive after drinking or drive with someone else who has been drinking. I’ve been buzzed before and that was fine with me and that’s about as drunk as I ever want to get.
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by ClemsonGirl on Mar 24, 2010 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
smart girl
we don’t want anything bad happening to our cgirly
Hope is the worst of all evils, for it prolongs the torment of man
Whatever.
Go get fucking rocked, buy pizzas for a few hundred people but skip out on the bill, use your parents credit cards to rent a Lexus, drive it into a fucking swimming pool, fly to Fiji, stay for a week or two and do some acid, fly home and ask for forgiveness. After graduation, of course.
You only live once, young lady.
by Mister Eff on Mar 25, 2010 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
No joke...
I’ve been using my own money for this all this time…
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
Really???
going to recommend mixing uppers and downers… that always makes for a fun time.
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
fat chicks???
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
Sleep deprivement is more like being high in my opinion
by vivaelpujols on Mar 27, 2010 3:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Since I have never been either I couldn't tell you.
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I drink occasionally.
Just not a lot. And getting drunk doesn’t sound fun.
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by ClemsonGirl on Mar 24, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
get drunk
just don’t black out
Allen Craig > Nick Stavinoha
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 24, 2010 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions
How about I never drink enough to throw up?
Since I cannot stand throwing up.
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that would be good
but try not to black out either.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I think at my weight if I blacked out I would probably be at the throw up stage too.
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well, don't test it
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
On the other hand
you may have my awesome self preservation reaction to drinking of when I get drunk I get really verbose and forget to keep drinking. I’ve only blacked out/ thrown up once and that was my 21st so in my world that doesn’t count.
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
that is a very good policy
like, never do more than a shot or two, and always make sure you eat a good meal first, drink water, etc
Allen Craig > Nick Stavinoha
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 24, 2010 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Basically was my plan.
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by ClemsonGirl on Mar 24, 2010 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions
y'all got pretty worked up over typin on the keyboards
lol
Allen Craig > Nick Stavinoha
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 23, 2010 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions
my interpretation was that you were
but maybe that’s just how you are normally heh
Allen Craig > Nick Stavinoha
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 23, 2010 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions
New sig
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Mar 23, 2010 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
were you not at least, egging him on?
maybe “worked up” was inaccurate, but if you didn’t care about it, then there wouldn’t have been a mini argument.
all I know is that you both have been on here for a long time, and you both have made interesting points, so I hope that we can all get along amenably. and hopefully not take sides, because it seems like fourstick seems scapegoated. I don’t want people to have to go through that
Allen Craig > Nick Stavinoha
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 24, 2010 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions
*feels scapegoated
Allen Craig > Nick Stavinoha
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 24, 2010 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions
The goat thing is a geographical thing
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
No one has to take sides about anything.
It’s done and we’ve been asked to stop talking about it.
You can read it in any tone you like.
respeck
just sharing my view, I didn’t realize
Allen Craig > Nick Stavinoha
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 24, 2010 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions
I read it in the tone of Alvin & The Chipmunks
which, in retrospect, made it 120% better.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Mar 24, 2010 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions
That's perfect.
My intended tone, however, was Wakko from Animaniacs.
You can read it in any tone you like.
I'm Allllll Confused
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
what, no train wrecks available?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
and old guy watching a wreck, how does this not work here?
Hope is the worst of all evils, for it prolongs the torment of man
oh, it works
i got it. i was just thinking on a grander scale.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

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