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Felipe Lopez has probably never felt so much internet-love, and all he had to give in return for it was most of the money he'd probably earned with his excellent 2009.
It is almost a boring transaction to talk about, and I say almost only because no transaction is less boring than a replacement offseason news-item; the money is so inconsequential that if he flops it is a pox not on the payroll but on our memories of the giddy days in February when Felipe Lopez was curing lineup cancer and fighting lineup deflation, etc. Nearly everyone's happy about it, and some people are ecstatic about it.
But there's one more angle to take before we finish the last verse of "Felipe, Row the Boat Ashore." Presenting: all the areas Felipe Lopez might plausibly play—though even Felipe Lopez won't be able to play them all at once, so far as I can tell.
1. Platoon Second Baseman
I got angrier about Skip Schumaker playing second base against left-handers than the average blogger—and we get angry on far less provocation than that—so I might be overstating the case by placing this first among Lopez's presumable positions, though I think that he absolutely must play there.
Last year Skip Schumaker, who until Lugo came around was mostly on his own, hit .220/.278/.240 against left-handers in 100 plate-appearances. If you're wondering where Felipe Lopez will get the plate appearances that might eventually trip his plate appearance incentives, start with all of those. (I realize that current best-practices dictate that I regress platoon splits such as Skip's, given that he has only 250 at-bats against left-handers to this point; but since he is a minus fielder, and the Cardinals are now swimming in right-handed minus fielders, why bother? Now I can just dismiss him entirely!)
Lopez is closer to being a "true" switch hitter than most—my favorite fake switch-hitter was always Jose Valentin, who had a split (.817 vs. .593) that would be enormous for a left-handed batter—but if the difference is real it is, so far, slightly biased in favor of hitting righties. But given the Cardinals' other options (unless they plan on using this one situation as reason to keep Lugo around), he's the one. He's somewhere around average on defense, and will be a serious upgrade on the numbers Schumaker put up this year, if not the ones he might in the future. I like it!
2. Contingency Third Baseman
I also like this! As a third baseman Felipe Lopez reminds me of the alien version of Abraham Nunez from the first half of 2005, who hit .295/.354/.399 and extended his career by two years. This split has been just about worn out by now, but one last time—Cardinals third basemen hit .229/.292/.369, against an NL average of .261/.333/.419. Having Felipe Lopez around gives them two plausibly average third baseman and an excuse—Lopez's versatility—to hang on to both of them.
In the ideal version of the 2010 Cardinals David Freese hits early and consistently, showing 20 home run power and hitting for a fair average. But even then Lopez will play at third—more, possibly, than he does at any other position. If Freese starts slowly we'll probably hear, from La Russa, about how mentally perfect he is for pinch hitting, and Lopez could end up with the fat side of the third base platoon.
3. Fill-in Shortstop
The position of fill-in shortstop, unlike the others on the Felipe Lopez list, was filled quite adequately last year; if it hadn't been he might be starting this year. On the provisional 2010 roster this is where it becomes clear that Felipe Lopez duplicates Julio Lugo functionality in every meaningful way. Lopez, like Lugo, is a terrible defensive shortstop, but he's a different kind of bad; his is a known quantity. Lugo hovered around average for a long time, had leg problems, and then, in 2009, became a special kind of bad shortstop, visible to both the eyes and the play-by-play metrics.
It's good to know that Lopez can play shortstop, however badly, but a gambling man might be ready to see if another year away from surgery has returned to Lugo his capacity for mediocrity. Whatever the Cardinals end up doing with Lugo, Lopez allows us a better guess at what the Cardinals would look like should Brendan Ryan miss any time. The pitchers probably don't like this, but I do! Three for three!
4. Left fielder I guess?
This is the one I don't like! The Cardinals spent a hundred million dollars on one corner outfielder and are more or less settled with the other. Playing a guy who just barely had the bat for corner outfield in his career year out of position makes so little sense that it probably won't happen to any appreciable degree, even if La Russa continues to talk about it.
But a team that's brought Allen Craig and Joe Mather to camp, and one that needs to sort out its cost-controlled players as well as it can for the austere payrolls of the next few years, any at-bats for Felipe Lopez in the outfield are too many. I give Tony La Russa a lot of credit for the lengths to which he'll go to ensure that useful players keep playing, but Lopez is in no danger of sitting for more than a day or two in a row; a guy who's in two platoons already needn't play additional games in left to stay fresh.
What's so great about the Felipe Lopez signing is that he mitigates several potential issues at once; it's like the Mark DeRosa trade in those few golden games before he became damaged goods and his ability to platoon with Ankiel in the outfield became a moot point. They're now shielded pretty well from any one of those first three positions going awry.
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This is how the Baseball Gods work.
Ryan, for whatever reason, has a late surgery and up steps a replacement. Ryan never fully recovers from the surgery and ends his career as a backup for Jose Reyes.
by Tom_Lawless_Bat_Flip on Mar 1, 2010 6:06 AM EST reply actions
bite your tongue!
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Lopez is a nice deal
Makes one think that Julio Lugo is trade bait at some point. If he can bring a serviceable minor leaguer, then this will have worked out well.
My only question is why didn’t 15 other teams want or need an average to above average platoon player for that price? Certainly seems like teams are really ratcheting back on payroll this year. Cards seem to be one of the big spenders now.
Now if they can bring in Smoltz or Martinez, they’ve got quite a juggernaut
Just win
I Think...
….they’re looking moore at Smoltzy now as a cowtingency starter, someone to go to if no one establishes themselves as our #5 this spring, or if an injury happens, and if he gets signed at all it would be sometime after the beginning of the season.
As for the FLopster, he’ll be el chupacabra-ing ABs away from Skip and Lugo, and perhaps Tastee as well, which is ok provided he can hit and field well. I don;t see him moooch in LF, except during double switches or a late inning replacement vs a lefty closer.
I’d like to point out, though , that the Brew crew now has 3 lefty starters, clearly a response to last year’s less than stellar performance against lefties.
Oh yeah, and, uhh, moo.
:=8)
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
moore likely
floppy to second and the cobbler to the outfield
seems possible that all the spare parts, except maybe tg, will know where to go when tlr says play===left. ss, 3rd, etc
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
I read somewhere
that both Smoltz and Pedro are waiting until midseason to sign with a team…by then, when might be praying for smoltz
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
I really, really want Smoltz
and it sort of seems that, in the current market (<$2m for Floppy!), we’ve got the money to get that done. If he’s keen to wait until mid-season, tbh, I’d be happy to just sign him now and let him sit on his ass for three months (I guess we could do that by signing him to a MIL contract with, say, $3m guaranteed money).
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Mar 1, 2010 8:40 AM EST up reply actions
sign him before Congress does!
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20100228&content_id=8621772&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
My opinion, Smoltz hasn't signed because he doesn't want to yet.
No doubt we offered him money but it’s obvious he turned us down. Either he doesn’t want to be on this team or he wants to start and we want him for bullpen.
He is in the driver’s seat and he knows it.
by Tom_Lawless_Bat_Flip on Mar 1, 2010 9:13 AM EST up reply actions
Or maybe. . .
we think an about-to-be 43-year old coming off a season where he only pitched well against craptastic offensive teams isn’t a good bet. The Red Sox didn’t release him for nothing, after all.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Mar 1, 2010 9:38 AM EST up reply actions
the Red Sox brought him back too early after surgery
more rest might result in more physical effectiveness
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
They released him because he cost too much
35k a day and another 500k October 4th.
Not really an issue for us.
Not afraid to nitpick
All of this glosses over the facts that:
1. He didn’t pitch well.
2. He’s old.
I love the guy, and hope he pitches well, for the Cardinals, even, but I don’t think it’s anywhere near a foregone conclusion, and maybe the Birds have decided it’s a poor expenditure of funds.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Mar 1, 2010 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
He pitched just fine
Are you really going to slice and dice his record to be 3 starts against the Yankees and Rangers? Even playing that game by tossing out the Padres, Nationals and Houston he had a 4.29 FIP for us. Pitchers do worse against the best teams, we aren’t looking for a #1 starter here.
Not afraid to nitpick
For a team that spent $130M+ on payroll last year
$2M doesn’t seem like a lot for a guy who can still pitch. Unfortunately, he didn’t pitch very well for the Red Sox last year — that’s why he got cut, not the money.
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No
He got cut because of money and the fact that they (thought) had pitching depth that was at least as good and cheaper i.e. not the Cardinals situation.
Not afraid to nitpick
If he had pitched well, would they have cut him?
If John Smoltz had a 4.00 FIP in Boston last year, would they have cut him? I don’t think so, there would have been a fucking riot outside of Fenway!
If anything it was a combination of horrible performance AND money, but it certainly wasn’t money alone, and that’s what SSCF is pointing out.
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Smoltz pitched like a #4 starter for them
Fortunately for the Red Sox, they thought they had a number of guys able to pitch to the 4.8 FIP he did put up there, for free. If you can get the same performance as the guy who would cost 2.6M for free, you take the free guy.
Not afraid to nitpick
4th Starter? More like 5th starter....
And don’t we have at least 3 guys who could put up a 5.00 FIP in the fifth starter spot? Boggs, McClellan, and Garcia all have the potential to be that good, and Lance Lynn might get there by the end of the year with a good start in AAA. So why aren’t we taking the free guy? With Beckett and Dice-K they had similar injury issues to that Cardinals current staff.
All this is missing the point. Had he pitched like a #3 or #4 starter there’s no way they would have cut him. Especially with his bullpen acumen in the postseason. Bottom line is — they thought he was done as a starter, they didn’t want to pay him that money to be a bullpen guy, so they cut him.
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Not even close
1. A 4.80 FIP in the AL East is #4, not the typical #5 starter first off. #5 starters are terrible.
2. Smoltz is projected to be a lot better than any of those three. 4.01 FIP vs. a 4.6s for Boggs/Garcia by CHONE. McClellan is projected as a reliever, but I’d have a hard time believing he’d be better than 4.50 as a starter no? Scouting wise I’d say he’s much better equipped as a starter than any of them.
“Bottom line” he cost 2.6M when they thought they could get about the same production for free. We. Are. Not. In. This. Situation.
Not afraid to nitpick
We have a difference of opinion here, clearly
and you are playing fuzzy math with statistics.
- 4.80 FIP in the AL East? What is that, 3 pitchers? Awfully small sample size.
- I don’t have a fucking clue what his projections have to do with the point here, which is that the Red Sox clearly cut him for lack of performance related to his contractual situation, not just because of money issues
- They didn’t get the same production for free, it was a huge loss for them overall. They may have mitigated their losses by about $1.5-$2M or so, but they lost service time for players like Bucholz and Bowden, who wasn’t even on the 40 man roster before the cut Smoltz. In terms of what that service time cost them, they probably broke even.
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What?
1. Awfully small sample size? The average #5 starter is going to be a lot worse than a 4.80 FIP to begin with, then you put those guys in the AL East and a 4.80 FIP is a lot better than your generic #5s.
2. A response to: “And don’t we have at least 3 guys who could put up a 5.00 FIP in the fifth starter spot? Boggs, McClellan, and Garcia all have the potential to be that good, and Lance Lynn might get there by the end of the year with a good start in AAA. So why aren’t we taking the free guy?”
3. I would imagine that if they knew what Smoltz ended up doing and what happened with injuries and whatnot, they don’t cut Smoltz even with the 2.6M.
Not afraid to nitpick
#3.
That’s exactly my point. Which means he was cut for performance reasons, not money reasons. Capiche?
Whether that has any effect on us signing him, I don’t know in the least. I think he would have to accept whatever role he was given (setup guy, long man, spot starter, fifth starter), and I’m not sure he’s willing to do that. If we could sign him for $2M with incentives to double that based on innings or starts, I would be fine with this — at least then we’re hedging against and injury.
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Wow is everything black and white?
If any team knew Smoltz was going to put up a 2.73 FIP after the Red Sox, literally every team would have tried to sign him for 2.6M, that was a throwaway retrospective.
No one knew that was going to happen at the time, he was probably a 4.80 guy going forward (not done as a starter etc) at the time and the Red Sox had cheaper options that could do the same. The end.
Not afraid to nitpick
Which means
his performance had everything to do with his getting cut, not the fact that he was making $2.5M for the remainder of the season.
/stupid, ridiculous argument
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You really like getting in the last word
Even if it’s agreeing with something I didn’t say.
Not afraid to nitpick
You apparently, enjoy changing your tune
When someone calls you out on your bullshit theories.
They released him because he cost too much
35k a day and another 500k October 4th.
If that was true, then stop quoting performance statistics. You said they cut him due to money and money only. Every time you quote statistics, you make my point for me.
Just admit you made an error. Is that so hard to do? Or is your ego to big for it?
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Wow dude
Answer the question below. Why do you take Pitcher B over Pitcher A? Money!
Not afraid to nitpick
The Red Sox were also in a bind thanks to roster machinations.
They were trying to fit Tazawa, Byrd, Penny, Daisuke into that spot as well.
"What's your favorite Chuck Palahniuk book?"
"I like the one about the alienated character who finds the socially unacceptable way of coping with modernity."
I just did, below.
It wasn’t about money. Period.
You keep introducing other reasons, and all the other reasons point to his shitty performance being the reason he was cut, not cash.
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man, you guys really like to argue
he pitched poorly and the performance he was giving was easily replaceable with cheaper internal options. What is there to argue about?
anybody beat 4?
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Mar 1, 2010 12:20 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
in or cm?
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
I just want him to admit
that performance had a lot to do with his being cut. That’s all.
He’s trying to make others look like idiots by saying it was a money move only, and that clearly wasn’t the case.
His ego is apparently to big to just admit that performance had something to do with it.
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Well played
Your still the lead bovine around here.
Everybody wants to be da Cow
You’re Hugh Heffer, man.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
We need moor cow bells?
How now you brown cow?
He's made of lead?
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Mar 1, 2010 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
Smoltz's xFIP for Boston was 4.18
and he had a 3.67 K/BB ratio.
He also gave up a 15% HR/FB rate, and a .390 BABIP.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Mar 1, 2010 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
And the BoSox front office. . .
is one of the bigget proponents of advanced metrics around, and they still released him.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Mar 1, 2010 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
They also think Jacoby Ellsbury is a good center fielder.
"What's your favorite Chuck Palahniuk book?"
"I like the one about the alienated character who finds the socially unacceptable way of coping with modernity."
full circle!
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I find it difficult to criticize this opinion.
To do so is to assume that UZR and +/- are better than Boston’s internal metric, which we know nothing about.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Mar 1, 2010 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
we know that it's proprietary and therefore opposes freedom
what more do we need to know
\stallman
by brackenthebox on Mar 1, 2010 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
Consider this then:
UZR, etc. have problems that range from sample size to positioning to some problems with context, yet they universally agree that Ellsbury did not make enough plays on balls that should have been playable for him.
Theo Epstein has nothing to gain by agreeing with that assessment (it would devalue an asset he controls), and no one can verify the reasoning behind his disagreement.
Either A. Jacoby was bad. Epstein even admitted that Ellsbury has some bad habits and takes some bad routes.
B. The Red Sox have changed the data stream (because every analysis of BIS and other data set says Jacoby sucked) from which their metric derives (perhaps they have stringers watching every game of every team recording every fielder’s positioning on every ball in play), and their manipulation of this data yields better (more accurate, more predictive etc.) results regarding Jacoby’s 2009, and even though he sucked in 2009, it was because of bad positioning or bad luck (because he did suck).
"What's your favorite Chuck Palahniuk book?"
"I like the one about the alienated character who finds the socially unacceptable way of coping with modernity."
Yeah. And then he pitched really well for us
I’m by no means advocating hindsight as the only way to evaluate a decision, but it seems pretty clear that they were wrong that he had nothing left in the tank (if indeed that’s why they released him).
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Mar 2, 2010 5:23 AM EST up reply actions
Does it matter?
He pitched poorly, he got cut. If he pitches well, they’re not going to cut him to save a paltry $2M!!! Ipso facto, he was not cut solely because of money reasons, he was cut because of poor performance as a starter AND salary reasons.
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Well, going forward, yeah it matters.
If he sucked because he sucked, I don’t want him. If he sucked because of bad luck, I’d be willing to bet he can turn it around.
We're not talking about going forward
we’re talking about why he got released, which was because he stunk out the joint and the Red Sox decided to part ways with him because they had no use for him as a pitcher and he was due roster bonuses every day. It wasn’t money alone — this is a team that pays JD Drew around $30,000 per fucking at-bat. $35,000 per day is not a lot of money for a team with a payroll of $140M.
It’s ludicrous to assume that they would have cut him if he was awesome just because they owed him a roster bonus, yet that’s what joker is saying: He was cut for money reasons that were entirely unrelated to his performance. That’s bullshit.
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Ummm
Why he got released was because they thought he wasn’t better than their other options. “Bullshit”??? Smoltz was not better than their other options going forward. I cannot figure out what is so complicated about that.
Smoltz is a lot better than our options going forward so who the fuck cares about the Red Sox anyway.
Not afraid to nitpick
This was not your response earlier
You said he was cut for money reasons. He was not, he was cut because he didn’t perform well. They simply had better pitchers than him that alsoi happened to be cheaper last season. Although it will cost them more money in the long term because of the service time added to Bucholz and Bowden, who probably wouldn’t have been on the roster had Smoltz been the fifth starter.
They were trying to make the playoffs, not save $2M bucks.
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Oh jesus
He was cut because the other options were about the same and cost less.
Not afraid to nitpick
Why were they about the same?
Oh, right, because his performance was poor. Not because he was making $2.5M. How hard is it to admit you made a really shortsighted comment?
Apparently, it’s really hard.
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No it's not
Let’s see: Pitcher A is a 4.80 FIP going forward. Pitcher B is a 4.80 FIP going forward. Pitcher A costs 2.6M, Pitcher B is free.
Which guy are you going to take on your team?
Why are you making that decision?
Not afraid to nitpick
If so,
why the fuck did you sign Pitcher A in the first place? Oh, right, because he’s a HOF starting pitcher and had a projected 4.00 FIP.
You keep trying to make this about money, when it wasn’t about money. If his performance comes close to his projections from 2009, then they keep him. So it’s not about money. It’s about performance.
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Haha I'm done, not that complicated but it's all good
You got in the last word, therefore you win.
Not afraid to nitpick
If you would have just admitted that
his performance related to his projection caused him to be cut 45 comments ago we wouldn’t have to have this argument.
It’s pretty clear that his performance factored in, yet you still insist it didn’t, even after quoting all of his statistics from last year as proof that his salary was the reason he got cut.
You’re using proof of what you deny to make your point. Unbelievable.
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Hahaha
“Admit that you’re wrong”
“But I’m not wrong”
“Admit that you’re wrong!!!”
The Cardinals didn’t DFA Wellemeyer. Why would the Red Sox DFA Smoltz but the Cardinals didn’t DFA a worse pitcher?
Not afraid to nitpick
Well
I guess we could take two completely unrelated situations and compare them.
What’s next, comparing the color and shape of an orange to the color and shape of a banana?
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I'd have used apples to oranges that's simple enough
It’s admittedly a weak comparison, but I can’t seem to put it any other way that the difference between Smoltz and the other options was money and not that Smoltz was undeserving of a MLB roster spot.
Not afraid to nitpick
Where have I said this?
not that Smoltz was undeserving of a MLB roster spot.
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Personally,
I think that it was both a cost-saving measure and a performance issue. If Smoltz had been pitching better, they wouldn’t have cared about spending the money. And even though he wasn’t as god-awful as he was made out to be, the Red Sox didn’t trust him to improve. Thus, they DFAd him. The end.
Forget it, spants. It's Chinatown. - tom s.
Because that's 99.9% of the time why teams cut players with guaranteed contracts?
Not afraid to nitpick
I never said that though.
I said his performance, coupled with his contract, was the reason he got cut.
If he had a 4.20 FIP, his CHONE projection for 2009 if I recall correctly, there’s no way they would have cut him. But he didn’t. So they did. And they saved $2M in the process, which was the gravy of the entire move, not the reason for it.
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So what you're saying
Is that Smoltz was still a Major League pitcher but that they cut him because they had other guys who could do at least as well as him going forward and they could do that for free—-and didn’t cut him in the traditional sense of “this guy doesn’t deserve to be an MLB pitcher” as was implied by the original statement I was responding to?
Not afraid to nitpick
Where is that implied here:
Or maybe. . .we think an about-to-be 43-year old coming off a season where he only pitched well against craptastic offensive teams isn’t a good bet. The Red Sox didn’t release him for nothing, after all.
He’s not wrong, not did he imply that he didn’t deserve to be on a major league roster.
By that rationale, you keep “implying” like he was the second coming of Jesus last year, that the Red Sox are cheap and don’t understand advanced metrics, and that he will without a doubt hit his CHONE projection or be better than that so that we should sign him and pencil him in for 30 starts.
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You argue like a politician.
No basis in facts.
Sound ridiculous.
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Ironically
this is one of the rare lengthy arguments that appears on this board where no-one has suggested someone is using a “strawman argument”, where somebody kinda is.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Mar 1, 2010 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
Monk, you're just making a false ad hominem dichotomous pleonasm modus tollens.
"What's your favorite Chuck Palahniuk book?"
"I like the one about the alienated character who finds the socially unacceptable way of coping with modernity."
by hazel on Mar 1, 2010 12:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That itself is a tautological corollary
It might even be a post hoc relativist red herring.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
What's even more interesting
(and not well-known) is that joker24 and fourstick are actually one and the same person. She does this to get attention.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Mar 1, 2010 1:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yes, they are actually
a woman. Like I said, not well-known.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Mar 1, 2010 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
i'm kinda curious how you discovered this
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
can't believe you used the "l" word.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
haha
i’m guessing moocow knows what baseballs are made from? it must pain him to see them struck with a stick like that.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I'm blogging from inside the house.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Mar 1, 2010 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
guys
you can scroll the page right all you want, but this is too ad hominem for my tastes. If someone argues in a way that makes you ache to call them out on their aggravating failures of logic or nerve, there’s no benefit to be gained from arguing with them.
Ad HOMOnem, I call them!
HIGH FIVE!!!! HIGH FIVE!!!!
High five?
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Mar 2, 2010 5:26 AM EST up reply actions
He Seemed...
…to do well enough for us; why not spend a teensy bit moore and have ‘the experienced arm’ in the rotation/pen in case Garcia needs seasoning, Boggs is groomed as the next closer, and KMac doesn’t cut the mustard as a starter? Ispo…ummm, fatso.
;=8)
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
If Smoltz was free and the Red Sox don't have Buchholz, do you think they cut him?
Not afraid to nitpick
Given his level of performance?
Probably. They still had Tazawa, Bowden, and Byrd, and if they didn’t have Bucholz they probably still have Justin Masterson.
He stunk in Boston. Like shit. Due to bad luck or not, he was cut because they wanted to transition him out of the rotation and into the bullpen and didn’t want to pay him his roster bonuses in the bullpen. I can understand the money argument, but only in the context of horrible performance.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
No
I think they woulda ’penned him, maybe trotted him out to start in the play-offs.
Even so, I think he cud give us 1 moore year of 15-20 5-6 inning ‘quality’ starts of around 4.2 – 4.5 FIP, and gives us arm depth that the club sorely needs. It makes no difference to this cow if those 15-20 starts comes at the beginning or the end of the season, but u play to position yerself in the play-offs. Besides, poking the giant elephant in the room that no one else will acknowledge: what happens if Carp has an-udder injury? Then one of the Boggs/Garcia/KMac crowd would have to take his slot. I dunno, I have always been about keeping enough quality pitching around, especially if we’re talking less than 3 mil for 1 year. AND he’s a quality guy that everyone on the clud likes, for u intangible folks.
:=8)
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
I thought you meant to type
cud.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Mar 1, 2010 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
It was a RELEASE though, not a CONTRACT TRADE. That's not savings!
I see that there’s been a lot of argument on the subject presuming that the Sox saved something like 2M, but I don’t see how that happened
For example, see http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4405391 -
Whatever team decides to acquire Smoltz would be on the hook for the pro-rated amount of the major league minimum. In addition, Smoltz would get the rest of his $5.5 million salary from the Red Sox.
I think the Red Sox saved perhaps 100k on the contract once the Cardinals grabbed him. Given that him getting picked back up wasn’t even a lock, I don’t see an argument that money was a factor. And if I were to throw my own best guess into the mix, I’d suppose that it was done to give him a chance to pitch somewhere because it would happen rarely (if at all) on their team – for performance reasons.
that's not correct. by releasing him,
he lost the benefit of his substantial performance-based incentives.
the red sox, just by holding onto him, would have had to pay a million or so in incentives. by releasing him, they avoided that cost.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
It seems bizarre no-one else wanted him, really
although I suspect for that price he’d probably only want to be playing for a contender (and apparently he really enjoyed his last stint with the Cards, so maybe didn’t drive a very hard bargain). The Twins had big holes at 2B and 3B, so he seemed perfect for them (I know they signed O-Dog for 2B, but that cost more money and now they’re considering Nick Punto as a 3B option), Dodgers signed Carroll for more money, Phillies signed Polanco etc.
I sort of felt the same way about Russ Branyan; a lot of teams had DH or 1B holes this year, and, despite the injuries, his age, and his occasional lack of full-time action over the years, he still hit 31 jacks last year and is a very good hitter who ended up signing for a paltry sum.
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by Felonius_Monk on Mar 1, 2010 8:38 AM EST up reply actions
maybe this is really where the economic pinch kicks in
perhaps teams are deciding they won’t go for their last trip to the bargain bin until someone is injured.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Overall,
in 2009, MLB revenues were up to a record $6.6 billion. Obviously, this is painting the economic situation with the broadest of brushes, but, given this fact, I find the lack of interest in good value free agents odd.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I've come over to the dark side of the pessimistic economic projections
For the shorter term anyway. I can understand why owners wouldn’t want to take too much risk on……but 2M for Felipe Lopez still doesn’t make much sense.
Not afraid to nitpick
Are you saying
that not paying only $2MM for Felipe Lopez doesn’t make sense for cash-strapped teams? Because that’s my view.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I haven't looked at that yet
but I was thinking that several teams are on the hook for new stadiums and facilities. or maybe it’s the taxpayers…
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Revenues can be up and profits can be down....
The entirety of the revenue jump could be explained by the Yankees winning the World Series in a brand new ballpark, while other team’s revenues declined slightly or were flat.
I bet you could find “record revenue” news items over the last five years for the US automobile industry.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Mar 1, 2010 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
That very well could be the case.
There is still revenue-sharing, though, and, if a club is cash-strapped, then doesn’t signing Lopez at only $2MM for one-year make that much more sense for the club?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
If a club is cash-strapped, then...
it’s very likely better not to spend $2MM at all.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Mar 1, 2010 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
we'd have to pay
someone else at least league minimum for that roster spot, so i kind of mentally deduct that from the cost of lopex
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
seeing this kind of thing more often this year
makes me wonder a bit (just a bit) that the metrics many major league teams are using really singled these guys out and no one rated them that high
statistical collusion?
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
I'd been thinking the same thing about Lugo.
He’s actually fairly attractive trade bait, too, as the team they trade him to will reap the same salary advantages as the Cardinals have (i.e., having Boston on the hook for most of it). And I can’t see large differences between his skill sets and Floppy’s, other than that he doesn’t hit quite as well.
Thing is: who wants Lugo? What would they trade for him? It’ll be interesting to keep track of what scouts are sniffing around the ST sites where Lugo is playing or working out.
by StanTheManFan on Mar 1, 2010 9:34 AM EST up reply actions
my hope
wouid be a minor league, left-handed pitcher with some hope of a mlb future
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
would the reds take him in exchange for
The rights to jukich?
I don’t know who is backing up rolen or phillips there.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
by tom s. on Mar 1, 2010 12:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Excellent...

Forget it, spants. It's Chinatown. - tom s.
by spants on Mar 1, 2010 12:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That'd probably be a fair swap.
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by Felonius_Monk on Mar 1, 2010 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
to stan, their hitting
I assume you meant Lopez hits with more power than Lugo.
careers:
Lugo .271, with .182 K rate
Lopez ..269 with .209 K rate
whart do either of those stats have to do with power?
and i don’t think either of their career numbers are relevant
chone 2010 wOBA
lugo – .314
lopez – .324
chone 2010 OPS
lugo – .689
lopez – .725
and floppy’s numbers are a product of some heavy regression which may or may not be fair. i wouldn’t be surprised to see him end the season around or north of 3 WAR. that’s a huge stretch for lugo. even if he gets 500-600 PAs
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
rangers looking for MIF depth
according to mlbtr
and they’ve got that baller farm system
get it done, mo! julio lugo for neftali feliz straight up!
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
If we keep insisting that's a fair deal maybe someone will eventually believe it?
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
The death stare has got to be worth at least one win over replacement stare.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Mar 1, 2010 7:57 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
for sure
I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 1, 2010 8:09 PM EST up reply actions
5. Pinch hitter who can actually hit (hopefully)
Given all the roles above, I’m sure Floppy’ll be starting quite a few games; but when he’s not, he provides someone on the bench who might actually be an improvement over our lower lineup hitters in the late innings. Compared to the vacuous bench we’ve had of late, that sounds spectacular, at least for aesthetic reasons if not real baseball ones.
If Mather can actually come back (which I personally doubt)
I think even our bench is looking pretty solid now. Something like Floppy, Lugo, Craig, Mather, LaRue is a LOT better than last year.
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by Felonius_Monk on Mar 1, 2010 8:41 AM EST up reply actions
this
I have been more worried about the bench than the bullpen for some months now, and this is where I see Lopez contributing the most. On a TLR team, that’s not nothing.
As for DAR, I’m thinking we’ve broken even.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Amen
TLR likes double-switches. We’ll see Floppy subbed out for a defensive replacement when he starts and subbed in for his bat when he doesn’t. He’ll appear in a lot of games this season and log somewhere around 4 innings in the field per appearance.
Guys like Bradley are exactly why we can't have a pumpkin patch anymore.
Going to Jupiter next week.
Anyone have tips they want to share?
Will be there all week making sure no one is tipping pitches.
by Tom_Lawless_Bat_Flip on Mar 1, 2010 9:15 AM EST reply actions
not a bad drive up to port st lucie
mets’ facility is fine (and beer is cheaper)!
usually hit both if there is an attractive team playing the mets
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
So, you go to ST games
when the other team has good-looking guys on it….
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Mar 1, 2010 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
Go early
and head to the back lots where the entire farm system practices on four fields at once. Hang out there and watch the future redbirds until game time.
It looks like I’ll be down there towards the end of March for some games. Hopefully you’ll have much better weather than they did last week.
Guys like Bradley are exactly why we can't have a pumpkin patch anymore.
If you're fair-skinned, a 55-gallon drum
of sunscreen is a good idea. In the Cardinals’ ballpark, there’s nowhere to sit that doesn’t put you in full sun.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Mar 1, 2010 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
Just wear a wide-brimmed hat
Preferably with a chin-strap. Last year, my hat blew off on a windy day and landed, somehow, on the head of the woman behind me.
Fortunately, she had a good sense of humor and I didn’t have head lice.
Guys like Bradley are exactly why we can't have a pumpkin patch anymore.
If John Goodman is at the game
DO NOT, under any circumstances, shout Big Lebowski quotes in his direction for the majority of the game
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Mar 1, 2010 11:14 PM EST up reply actions
I agree, with the exception of the word "Not".
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by Felonius_Monk on Mar 2, 2010 5:28 AM EST up reply actions
Think the deal changes the tone of spring camp a bit...
- I thought it was a foregone conclusion that we’d start the season with 5 OF’s on the roster (with Boog healthy, that is), now we probably won’t, which means either Joe Mather or Allen Craig is going to be starting the season at AAA. I just get the feeling that it’s going to be Mather. Poor Allen Craig — the guy couldn’t catch a break if it hit him in the chest. He’s now been replaced by a veteran player who doesn’t even play his position. There would also be something to be said for carrying Shane Robinson or John Jay, as they could both spell Colby in CF if needed. Otherwise, the only guy on the roster who could manage CF other than Colby would be Ludwick, and Tony seems increasingly wary of putting him out there. I guess Greene could fill it in a pinch, but that’s assuming he makes the roster…
- Julio Lugo literally does not have a spot on the roster now. In terms of roster flexibility, it’s a horrible idea to keep Lugo over a superior defender like Greene, who can play every position on the field except catcher (and that wouldn’t surprise me either, actually, the kid is a gamer defensively and he’ll play wherever you ask him to play). Lopez is going to take all of Lugo’s AB’s anyway, why not try and dump him for an Anthony Reyes-type prospect from another organization that needs a 4 infielder who can play both middle infield spots? Seems like the pertinent thing to do if you’re Mo. I guess it kinda depends on how Boog recovers, but how is Lugo the choice over Greene to fill in? That doesn’t make sense defensively.
- Skip shouldn’t be seeing any AB’s against LHP now. Lopez has a .318 wOBA mark against lefties as a RHH for his career, and he had a .364 mark in 2009. If he could repeat that, we’re probably looking at a 3-4 WAR player on our hands, as well as someone who will probably be at least a type B next offseason. I’m just hoping he doesn’t have to supplant Freese full-time at 3B, if so we’d lose a very valuable platoon partner for Skip, as well as having to pretty much sour on Freese as a prospect.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Possible Lugo trade:
To the NYY (who just signed Chan Ho Park over the weekend) for VEP’s favorite swingman reliever, Chad Gaudin.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Gaudin was mine before he was ever yours!
"What's your favorite Chuck Palahniuk book?"
"I like the one about the alienated character who finds the socially unacceptable way of coping with modernity."
Errrr, awkward, guys
Me and Chad have been dating about four and a half months now. I thought you knew about it. Sorry.
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by Felonius_Monk on Mar 2, 2010 5:29 AM EST up reply actions
i was so hoping for a slapfight
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Unless he's traded in Spring
I’m sure Lugo makes the team. There’s just so little downside in sending Greene down to AAA to start the year compared to cutting Lugo loose.
If Ryan’s wrist looks like a real problem in two weeks, I’ll re-evaluate that.
Guys like Bradley are exactly why we can't have a pumpkin patch anymore.
I don't think they'll cut Lugo
I do think they’re going to be actively looking to trade him though.
And I think there’s incredibly downside to sending Greene to AAA if one of Lopez or Lugo is going to be manning the SS position on opening day if Boog isn’t ready. That’s a pretty awful scenario if you ask me.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
lugo is sitting there for anybody's emergency
if no one comes calling, tg goes to aaa, but lugo will remain available from now on
sooner he is gone the better for us and for him
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
this is like the beginning of a Columbo
or the end of a CSI
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Just one more thing, Mr. Mozeliak
Maybe you could clear this up for me, I’m a little confused.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
4 vs 5 OF
Tony won’t carry 13 pitchers until the schedule gets late April when the schedule gets busy. Starting April 23rd the Cards have 30 games in 31 days. Prior to April 23rd, the Cards have 15 games in 18 days. So I see a 5 man bench.
With that in mind, I would think the team would carry a 5th OF instead of another 3rd utility IF. I think the bench will be LaRue, Lopez, Lugo, Mather and Craig breaking camp with Greene on the team if Ryan starts on the DL.
I'm thinking the other way
and hope we rarely carry 13 pitchers, if at all.
Guys like Bradley are exactly why we can't have a pumpkin patch anymore.
Kinda depends on who the fifth starter is though, doesn't it?
I don’t know if K-Mac can get stretched out enough this spring to throw that many starts in the month. If he has to miss a turn, we’ll need that 13th pitcher on the roster.
I actually think having Lopez on the team makes it a lot easier to carry 13 pitchers because of his utility, and I think that Tony would carry 13 pitchers all the time if he could. Not that I agree with it, I just think that’s how TLR thinks.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Hawksworth
if The Hawk is in the pen as long-man (which I expect he will be), he can always fill in for any starts anyone can’t make, Thompson-style. I don’t think it’ll kill us to give him the ball once a month.
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by Felonius_Monk on Mar 1, 2010 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
# 5 = 3 April starts
and having the starters go on normal four days rest, the fifth starter would be “needed” is April 11th, 18th & 27th. Even Tony will see that 13 pitchers to break camp is a poor use of roster space. Tony will need pinch hitters more than a 8th arm in the pen.
Doubts on Freese?
Although the Lopez acquisition could make Lugo extraneous, I see it more as a hedge on Freese. Ryan’s injury gives Freese the opportunity to win the position because I presume that Lopez will start at short, and Lugo will remain as the primary platoon for Skip. But I see Freese losing the position at 3B if he’s unable to outproduce Lopez by the time Ryan returns. If this occurs, Freese will be the backup and Lopez the starter, and Lugo will continue to platoon with skip.
I’m a pessimist on Freese, so I think Lujo will be staying put.
So says, Titus Pullo (formerly The Dude)
If Ryan can't go
and Lugo isn’t traded, Lugo will start opening day at SS. I fear this is exactly what will happen, unless Tyler Greene turns into Hanley Ramirez with the bat in ST.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
my 2 cents
is that lugo and floppy will get early starts at ss in order to judge how bad they really are
they know tg is better, so he’ll get more b-games and dh deals for his at-bats
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
Interesting
-Lugo was worth “Chris Duncan” on the open market last year. So, no, I’m not particularly sanguine about the prospect of getting anything valuable for him a year later.
- I think Lopez’ presence makes Jay more likely to go back down to Memphis and for Mather to remain because there’s less need for a LH bench bat (this assumes Mather can play a passable CF)
- Agree that Skippy should never bat against LHP. Ever. Even if we didn’t have Lopez, Skip should not take any at bats against LHP.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Mar 1, 2010 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
If Mather can't prove he can play CF
Jay pretty much has to make the team unless we sign Baldelli. I am still not convinced Mather can even hit yet.
by FlimtotheFlam on Mar 1, 2010 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
can Rocco play CF anymore?
I haven’t seen anything reliable about Mather’s health so it’s tough to say. The Lopez signing is most devastating to Ruben Gotay so perhaps the likely outcome is just a swap out for him on the 25-man, and Mather and Jay take the last two spots (leaving Craig and Greene out in the cold, assuming a 12-man staff).
by Willie McGee's Twin on Mar 1, 2010 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
i think jay's only shot
is if mather can’t go, and that’s not ideal, with jay and colby both lefty
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
If Mather is healthy
he’ll be a fine CF backup so I would keep Craig instead of Jay. Greene is in Memphis unless Ryan is on the DL when the Cards break camp. Greene needs to keep playing instead of sitting on the bench.
That is how I feel also
I want Greene in Memphis getting steady playing time. I also don’t want him to take playing time away from a healthy Ryan.
by FlimtotheFlam on Mar 1, 2010 6:06 PM EST up reply actions
i would take a chris duncan type player
for lugo in a heart beat. anything we can get back for him that’s not in an area that’s currently a logjam on the ML roster is a plus. especially a guy with the kind of upside that duncan has
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
so you would take dunc back for lugo?
that’d be…funny?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
well,
that another question. probably not because we have good outfield depth. also because of the relationship he has with daddy and uncle tony
i’d really try for a pitcher, 3B or CF
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
If we could get a Rich Hill-type (obviously not Rich Hill, but someone else who has shown some talent but basically nosedived) that'd be good
or something like Matt Capps when he was dumped by the Pirates. Just another reclamation option.
That said, I think I’d rather wait until we know Boog’s status a little better. If he’s out for a month or two we’re only one injury away from Lugo being an everyday starter, and we don’t have the Memphis depth (Hoffpauir, Barden) that we did in the MIF last year.
There’s Lugo, Greene, Lopez behind the starting duo of Skip & Boog, and then the next in line is probably Aaron Luna (who has an iron glove and may well be an outfielder in the org’s eyes now) or Donovan Solano (who is almost certainly well below replacement level) or something.
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by Felonius_Monk on Mar 2, 2010 6:09 AM EST up reply actions
"especially a guy with the kind of upside that duncan has"
there’s so many potential responses here that I’m paralyzed.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Mar 1, 2010 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
Well, that's something you've got in common with Lil' Dunc's neck, at least.
Too soon?
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by Felonius_Monk on Mar 2, 2010 6:05 AM EST up reply actions
That was before his performance with the bat in St. Louis though
which was pretty good and closer to his career numbers. If someone is looking for a utility infielder that can play against LHP, he would be a good option for them.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
How is Lugo the choice over Greene to fill in?
Lugo has proven that he can get on base at the major league level.
Greene hasn’t.
It’s not a no brainer either way, of course. I, too, would shop Lugo to see what shiny bauble I could get, but I wouldn’t just throw him away on the hopes that Tyler Greene’s bat will be serviceable enough to get his defense on the roster.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Mar 1, 2010 9:47 AM EST reply actions
Let me put it to you this way.
Greene could hit at replacement level and still be worth more than Lugo playing SS. Over his last 1000 innings at SS, Lugo is a -18 defender. MINUS EIGHTEEN! That’s fucking awful. Greene is probably a +5 defender or better at both 2B and SS. Considering the bats we currently have in the lineup, I would be more than happy to fall on the sword of Greene’s offense to have his defense at SS until Boog returns.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Sure.
But it’s no guarantee that he’ll hit even replacement level. He could hit far below replacement level like he did last year (i.e. -5.1 batting RAR in a mere 116 PA), in which case his offensive “value” would far outstrip his defensive value.
I know Greene had a great 388 PA in AAA last season, but I’d rather he start in AAA to make sure it wasn’t a fluke before I trade away Lugo and wish that we had him instead of Greene in June. After all, we’re talking about a guy before last season whose highest wOBA above low-A ball was .339 in double-A. Not exactly awe-inspiring, that.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Mar 1, 2010 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
Why?
Lopez can be a shitty SS too, and he hits better than Lugo does. If they can get anything of value for Julio Lugo, that deal needs to be done. Lopez makes Lugo pretty much an irrelevant player. Lopez is better defensively at 2B and 3B, equally bad at SS, and offensively is probably the better player at this stage in his career. He’s also a switch hitter. Why carry two guys who can’t play SS worth a shit when you only have to carry one?
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
With Lopez,
I don’t really see a good reason to keep Lugo around, either. I don’t want TLR to keep around a handful of MIFers again this season, especially when we could have decent bench bats like Mather (if healthy) or Craig.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
+1
Lugo has been horrible at SS. I read the argument that his knee was bothering him all this time and that his range is actually better now even though he is older. I’m skeptical. T. Greene has a ton of range and a gun for an arm.
I'm not arguing that Lugo is a better defensive SS than Greene
He’s not. I am just not ready to hand the keys of prime back-up SS to a guy who might be +5 (or heck, +10 or +15, what the heck) with the glove but might also be -20 with the bat, that’s all.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Mar 1, 2010 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
That's probably equivalent to what Lugo is, though
he’s probably -10 (or even -15) with the glove, -10 with the bat.
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by Felonius_Monk on Mar 2, 2010 6:11 AM EST up reply actions
Reason #2 on your list
is exactly why I was hoping and praying this signing wouldnt happen!!!!
Milt Thompson FTW!
you know TLR will be looking for any chance possible to pull Freese out and plug Lopez into the starting 3rd base spot.
Milt Thompson FTW!
if he does
then we’ll need lugo to platoon with skip. i think freeze will be fine, but no one knows, and i don’t see us shopping lugo until they can evaluate how things are shaking out at 3B.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I saw that in the Fenton store the other day, lol
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Mar 1, 2010 11:18 PM EST up reply actions
Hawk's grandpa brought the Olympics to BC
http://www.globe-democrat.com/news/2010/mar/01/blake-hawksworths-blog-tribute-my-grandpa/
I gotta do some diggin round the gee-d
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
they're still impressed with Boggs
"When he came down, it was incredible," said reliever Kyle McClellan. "He was throwing 98. It was pretty impressive….I think it’s something where you are only asked to go a short period of time, so you are going to go with everything you’ve got where as a starter sometimes you feel like you have to hold back a little bit. You’re more aggressive in the bullpen because you are only in there for a short period of time. I felt like he was real aggressive last year. All in all, it was a great transition for him."
http://www.globe-democrat.com/news/2010/feb/28/mitchell-boggs-hoping-move-bullpen-means-stay-st-l/
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
There's no question he's got the juice to be an effective bullpen guy
He even has a pretty good secondary pitch. The problem is his walk rate, which can’t stay at 6 per 9 innings out of the bullpen like it was last year. He’d need to drop that by half in order to be effective. Juicing his fastball up by 3-4 mph probably isn’t going to help him harness his control any either.
I really hope in happens, because if both he and Motte could come out of the bullpen throwing gas it would be a tremendous asset to the club, as well as making Franklin a more effective closer, kinda like Todd Jones was when following Zumaya and Rodney in Detroit. I’m just not getting my hopes up.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Yeah
I’m really down on the bullpen this year. It seems like (as last year), everyone’s just assuming the best-case scenario for all our pitchers. Really, our main two right-handed set-up guys are Boggs and Motte, and they haven’t proven anything at MLB level yet. On the contrary, they’ve both actually shown very worrying signs of major problems (Boggs’ BB rate, Motte’s dinger rate and inability to pitch to lefties).
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Mar 1, 2010 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
I'm more worried about Franklin than Motte or Boggs.
"What's your favorite Chuck Palahniuk book?"
"I like the one about the alienated character who finds the socially unacceptable way of coping with modernity."
I'm not
he’s crafty and experienced, and I think that accounts for something. He also doesn’t put unnecessary men on base as much as the other two.
He’s not going to be the 2009 version more than likely, but he’s bound to be better than the 2008 version. If he’s as good as he was for us in 2007 I will be happy.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
unless it's the end of the season
I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 1, 2010 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
FWIW
I’m not convinced that he’s “bound” to be better than the 2008 version. I’d say 08 is closer to his true talent than 09 or 07, in any case (and he was actually arguably better in 07 if i recall correctly, because his BB% was a massive outlying career-low, whereas 09 was more or less built on a super lucky season of HR prevention).
That said, I too am less concerned about Franky than the other two because we more or less know what we’re likely to get – if luck remains more or less normal, he’ll be a bit above replacement level. Boggs and Motte could do anything, more or less – totally suck or actually be genuinely good.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Mar 2, 2010 6:18 AM EST up reply actions
Honestly
I have the most faith in Boggs, oddly enough
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
me too
I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 1, 2010 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
i'm almost there myself
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Last year I definitely was not
assuming best-case scenario for the bullpen. I was hugely concerned about it last year. This year, I’m not nearly as concerned. Maybe I should be, but I think we’re in a much better position in regards to pitching (especially bullpen) than this time last year.
Not sure I agree at all
last year at this point we had two very good young arms who had spent 2008 DECIMATING triple-A hitters; Motte, in particular, was just unhittable in 08 and both looked likely to be above average. We’d also just signed two decent lefties (which we also have this year, obviously). We also had Jess Todd, who looked likely to help out at some point and went on to have a good year closing in Memphis. Also, Kyle McClellan looked like he was at least going to be a solid set-up guy, after a promising 2008.
Basically, we had some talent that we could reasonably expect to do well in the majors.
This year, Perez is gone, Todd is gone, Motte has downgraded expectations after a pretty awful start to his MLB career, and there isn’t really the depth in Memphis. Sanchez looks like the only impact arm and he’s probably not ready (or likely to help out much in 2010), and so we’re hoping Mitchell Boggs, whose velocity is interesting but who hasn’t dominated AAA like Motte or Perez did in 08, and who had major control problems ongoing throughout the last couple of years, to come straight in and be our best arm in the pen.
Add to that the fact that KMac, who may not be great, but who is at least a little bit above replacement, may be moving into the rotation, and that’s one more arm we’ve lost.
Also, we got kinda lucky last year that the pen didn’t hurt us more. Franklin (who we know about) AND ALSO Kyle McClellan (whose case is less often mentioned) both had really lucky years. If they both had neutral luck, we’d have blown a LOT more leads, most likely. We ALSO had a bunch of starters who massively exceeded expectations in terms of their run-prevention AND innings pitched, so the pen actually had less to do than we could reasonably have expected.
I am really, really concerned about the pen this year. I think it could be 2008-level bad. Our lineup and rotation should (if everyone’s healthy) be good enough to keep us in contention, but the pen is the biggest problem, IMO.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Mar 2, 2010 6:26 AM EST up reply actions
monk
do you think todd would make the roster out of camp if we still had him? the article i read on the indians lists him as bullpen depth in the minors, and the indians as the longest of vegas-shots for the world series, at 200-1 (the pirates were 150-1). now it did say, though, that the indians have a pretty good pen.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Yeah, I think there's a chance
I don’t think he’s ever going to be a lights-out guy in the majors, but he could have a decent career for a few years as a set-up guy. Guy had nearly a 5-1 K:BB ratio in AAA in 2009, and did enough in a short MLB stint to suggest he could end up being useful. He gets GBs (although he didn’t really do that very well in mlb) with his sinker/cutter thing, and his slider looks a decent out pitch, and he seems to have conquered some of the command issues he had as a starter. I don’t think he’ll be lights out in the majors but he’s as good a prospect as, say, Jason Motte for sure, I reckon.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Mar 2, 2010 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
Joe Mather, that devil
he likes Sleepless in Seattle
oho, here’s one for the Man Stew…
XBOX 360, we play NBA 2K10. Freese, Ludwick, Brendan Ryan, we have a team going. We are playing a season together as the Golden State Warriors. We all play on the same team and play a season against the computer. We are on game 3 this year, we just started. It’s hilarious. There is a lot of chirping back and forth at each other, pass the ball, get out of the key – there are a lot three in the key’s, a lot of traveling. A lot of chirping, it gets pretty intense. We liked the name and the colors, so that’s why we choose them.
Kyle McClellan on card game of choice:
Rain delay?: We play cards. Texas Hold’em. I don’t play at a casino. I play blackjack at the casino but I play hold’em in the locker room.
I forgot where I left off, so I’ll start with Stav.
Nick Stavinoha
Allen Craig
Trever Miller
Kyle McClellan
Rich Hill
Joe Mather
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Rich Hill seems like a weird dude
But possibly also kinda cool.
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
Card holding?
KMac might regret the “I play hold’em in the locker room” remark.
"How long have you known me, Jack? And you still don't know how to spell my name."
- Yogi after receiving a check from Jack Buck made out to Bearer
by blueinmemphis on Mar 1, 2010 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
what are you sayin' about the Man Stew?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
More importantly, what will the Man Stew say?
"How long have you known me, Jack? And you still don't know how to spell my name."
- Yogi after receiving a check from Jack Buck made out to Bearer
by blueinmemphis on Mar 1, 2010 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
this is the same Man Stew that shaves each other's hair for fun, then beat each other up after walk-offs.
It’s not like K-Mac is Matt Stairs.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Lost me at Matt Stairs...
"How long have you known me, Jack? And you still don't know how to spell my name."
- Yogi after receiving a check from Jack Buck made out to Bearer
by blueinmemphis on Mar 1, 2010 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
I was gonna say "google 'matt stairs pounding'"
“Not that I don’t feel like I’m part of the team, but when you get that nice celebration coming in the dugout and you’re getting your ass hammered by guys, there’s no better feeling than to have that done.”
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Thanks
for the quote. Firewall would definitely have stopped the Google search.
"How long have you known me, Jack? And you still don't know how to spell my name."
- Yogi after receiving a check from Jack Buck made out to Bearer
by blueinmemphis on Mar 1, 2010 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
Hawk
certainly has a talented and successful family.
Guys like Bradley are exactly why we can't have a pumpkin patch anymore.
with a name like Blake Hawksworth, how can he go wrong
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
*Googles*
Yes. Yes she is.
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
"Gaaawww, stop looking at my sister!!!"
STAB
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
OT: anybody ever blown off a camera traffic light ticket?
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
Yes.
They key with those is whether they can see your face. Just because it’s your car doesn’t mean it was you. If you have a tinted lip on your windshield or were wearing a cap and sunglasses, you can probably fight it safely by claiming it wasn’t you.
Although, this comment can now be used against you :-)
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Why? There's been no confession on here...
…simply asking if anyone (not anyone ELSE) has blown off one.
Note: Above comment may contain gratuitous amounts of sarcasm.
BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS
I didn't say that there was an admission of guilt
just joking that this statement could be used against him.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Just make sure you weren't riding with a partner other than your significant other
That’s happened a few times apparently.
Not afraid to nitpick
hahah
ya, i sent the ticket to TLH (rizzo and assoc) and they said they don’t do shit with them cause it’s no points. It’s “due” today but I’m at work and I’m totally not driving downtown to pay it.
it was a lame ass “rolling stop” when I was turning right on red. I’m not that worried cause I just get the overall impression it’s nonsense.
They have a little affidavit you can send in giving you the option to ID the driver…I think I’m totally going to put “unkown woman from bar”.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
Rolling stop?
Stop this madness.
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Mar 1, 2010 11:24 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
that's just how I roll
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Mar 1, 2010 11:27 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't think I've stopped anywhere close to "legal" since my driving test at age 16
Not afraid to nitpick
i recall hearing about research on stop light cameras showing that about half the tickets issued
were for people making legal right turns on red.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
I'm sure it's mind-numbing work for the cops that have to watch these videos
before (and after, I think) each shift.
The thing that makes me most irritated about the red-light cameras is how the yellow lights have gotten so much shorter. I know there is no across-the-board standard, but there’s not even a standard within a mile stretch of road.
Forget it, spants. It's Chinatown. - tom s.
It's generally outsourced to a private company,
frequently not even located in the state in which the cameras are located. A retired police officer reviews the tape and makes the final determination on whether a ticket should be sent. In many cases, the video is not even reviewed by an active police officer in the jurisdiction where the footage was shot.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Mar 1, 2010 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
I read an article on this
that quoted a city police officer saying he had to review video at the beginning (and I think end) of his shift.
Forget it, spants. It's Chinatown. - tom s.
the length of a yellow technically shouldn't matter
as I understand it, a yellow means “stop if you can”
by brackenthebox on Mar 1, 2010 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
I think what spants is saying,
is that the cameras get you when the light turns red, which catches people in the inersection who decided that they could not safely stop for the yellow light as having run a red light.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Mar 1, 2010 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, and if you do try to stop and end up way in front of the line,
they’ll give you a red-light ticket. It happened to a friend of mine.
Forget it, spants. It's Chinatown. - tom s.
I know a little bit about timing the yellow
I think the “shortening” the yellow to give out more tickets is totally made up. I don’t disagree that there is always potential for a conspiracy. But in general, the traffic engineer times the yellow and all-red phases to eliminate the dilemma zone (i.e., a person can’t stop in time, or go safely across the intersection). Enforcement is done by the police, or a company contracted to operate the camera. Technically, it is possible for the traffic engineer (public works) to collude with the police into doing something dishonest. But it is highly unlikely. I would guess that no sane city manager would allow such a behavior knowing the liability associated with shortening of the yellow to be unsafe.
born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red
I guess not. It's just that I've likewise heard
these rumors, but no one has ever mentioned an actual instance where this has happened, e.g. intersection x, where yellow was previously 4 seconds pre installation and is now 3.5 seconds after installation.
But I don’t want to come across as totally advocating these things. I think there are trade-offs in safety benefits: reduced angle crashes but increase in rear ends.
born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red
Well, the next time I hear in advance where
a camera is to be installed, I will go personally measure the yellow lights in the intersection. Then I’ll measure them post installation of said camera. I shall compare notes. If there are any discrepancies, will that suffice?
Incorrigible.
I thought
as long as you had penetrated the intersection by the time it turned red, you were ok
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
that's what...
wow. I can’t go there.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
good thing
they don’t have those in Decatur, IL then, because that has never been my understanding of the rule.
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
thanks Jesse White
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
It says
“Yellow light – The yellow light warns that the signal is changing from green to red. When the red light appears, you may not enter the intersection.”
Forget it, spants. It's Chinatown. - tom s.
so as long as I enter it before it turns red, I'm ok, right?
(no snarkiness involved with this comment)
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
Depends on the cop, I guess.
I mean, if it’s been yellow for two seconds and you gun it to get into the intersection, I’m pretty sure you could be ticketed.
Forget it, spants. It's Chinatown. - tom s.
if they really wanted to
then they could just say they did so because of speeding or reckless driving. Thankfully the cops in my town don’t seem to care about traffic incidents too much. must be all the drugs and violence…I love Decatur.
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
When I still lived in Neoga
I could smell Decatur if the wind was blowing the right way
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Mar 1, 2010 11:24 PM EST up reply actions
the smell of money
(what my grandpa said since he was an engineer at Staley’s)
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
Better than the smell of money around Neoga...
manure!
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Mar 2, 2010 12:31 AM EST up reply actions
Thats where red light cameras are good
there is proof you were not in the intersection when the light changed.
Good...
more people need to drive like they have somewhere to be. That cop should get an award for that.
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
They should write tickets for not paying attention at stoplights
There is nothing more maddening during traffic time than being 10 cars back and everyone taking 5 seconds each to go. You know the people in front of you are at some point in the near future going to accelerate: act like it!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Mar 1, 2010 8:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Q: What's the shortest amount of time in the world?
A: The time between the light turning green and the guy behind you honking his horn.
My mother told me this joke about 40 years ago, before I could even drive. It’s stuck with me ever since; I’m always ready to go as soon as the light turns green.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Mar 2, 2010 1:16 AM EST up reply actions
I for one appreciate the effort.
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
I've always admire people who
“drive like a champion” as Carolla puts it… There have been several times I’ve driven around people who couldn’t figure out how to navigate the intersection… it’s a very freeing experience. 6ly you feel like you robbed a bank got away then nailed the mayor’s wife and he’s none the wiser when you drive around those idiots…
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
is this st louis
i’ve always driving in st louis to be nice. surprisingly good drivers
better than columbia, houston or austin, at least
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
Nah mostly around Chicago...
I drive like a maniac around here… I think you have to sideswipe a cop car then give him the finger to get a ticket around here. And Missouri drivers are idiots… This is an undebateable truth.
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
by ducttape16 on Mar 2, 2010 2:17 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Absolutely
St. Louis drivers don’t have a goddamn clue what’s going on around their car. Not to mention they’re insanely inconsiderate (e.g. stopping in the middle of intersections, etc.). It’s a joke how bad the drivers are in the Lou.
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
that was the bait...
This was a week after the same cop wrote her a ticket from “running” a red light when she was already in the intersection before it turned red.
The judge let her off on both tickets. She had to be at court for both of them on the same day.
that is the law in arizona.
i believe states/cities have different laws about this.
in oregon, you can get a ticket for running a yellow light.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
The rule I have always gone by
Their is normally solid white lines defining the lanes coming up to a traffic light. If I am in those solid lanes when it is yellow than I go through the light. If I am not than I stop at it.
by FlimtotheFlam on Mar 1, 2010 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
if it's icy conditions and i'm not tailgating
it’s safer to go through the yellow. i’d rather get a ticket than skid out in an intersection
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
The fun is when you go from a town with mostly 5 second yellows
to one with mostly 3 second yellows or vice versa… makes for some interesting intersection navigation.
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
Columbia, MO had the longest lights I have ever seen
I swear their was zero traffic cops. I never saw them at all.
by FlimtotheFlam on Mar 1, 2010 7:34 PM EST up reply actions
The speed limits are high enough that it doesn't matter
You really don’t want to be going more than 60 on Providence anyway.
Not afraid to nitpick
i used to love driving Rock Quarry
With its super windy roads in my little CRX with upgraded suspensions. It was like driving a super fast golf cart.
by FlimtotheFlam on Mar 1, 2010 10:04 PM EST up reply actions
Lucky.
They’re rampant here. And they really like to come out the weekends they know all of the out of town parents will be here. Welcome to Clemson y’all! here’s a ticket!
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
Not according to Starman
“I watched you very carefully. Red light stop, green light go, yellow light go very fast”
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Mar 1, 2010 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
Actually there is a an across-the-board standerd
There’s an equation (that escapes me) that determines the amount of yellow. examples would be something like: 30mph = 3sec, 40mph = 3.5 sec.
A math nerd buddy of mine got ticked for running a red light (in Kansas City) and felt that the yellow was to short. So he found out the equation, and did the math. Turned out the yellow was to short, so he brought the evidence to court, and got out of the 80$ ticket.
He makes like 300k a year and all the work to get out of the 80$ ticket must have cost him 10hrs. Not even close to being worth his while.
"There's a lot of things we say that don't make sense to our viewers. Okay, primarily me." ~Al Hrabosky~
There is not a universal standard.
I was just reading about this the other day. Let me see if I can find the article.
Forget it, spants. It's Chinatown. - tom s.
I can't find it right now.
There is a window. IIRC, the window for yellow lights is 2-6 seconds. That’s a wide variance in terms of driving. And if there was a legally enforceable standard, then why have yellow lights at intersections with red-light cameras gotten shorter? Your friend may have had his ticket thrown out, but they didn’t fix that light, I promise you.
Forget it, spants. It's Chinatown. - tom s.
In Illinois
The minimum yellow time you can have is 3 seconds… Typically that is the base you work off of when doing signal timing unless it’s a really wide intersection or rather busy intersection in which case it’s not uncommon to see a 5 second yellow to help calm the traffic at the signal down. I could go into more about this but I’m sure no one really cares.
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
All I know is that
the yellows on Kingshighway got shorter when they installed cameras. Chippeway and Hampton, too.
Forget it, spants. It's Chinatown. - tom s.
That light is jacked up. I try to avoid that one
and Chippewa-Kingshighway.
Forget it, spants. It's Chinatown. - tom s.
Oh, I wish.
My street dead ends one block from Hampton and goes one-way in the wrong direction three blocks from Kingshighway. It’s pretty much impossible for us to not go through those two intersections a few times a day.
They probably reoptimized the controller
when they were out there doing other work.
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
I have two in STL
got them and threw them in the trash, thought it was total BS. Got a letter or two from the city , which for awhile wasn’t even pursuing them. Some city official came out and said they basically didn’t have the resources to enforce them, and only about 1/3rd of the people actually paid them, so they just took the,money from those suckers and called it a day. However, more recently, I think the city turned the unpaid tickets over to a law firm that is now handling the matter. I got two letters maybe, and then they stopped. Haven’t heard anything since. The tickets don’t show up on my driver’s record and as far as I know they haven’t affected my credit. That being said, I’m not advocating this way of dealing with it. If I really had the time, money, and inclination to raise a fuss, I’d be down at the city courthouse contesting the tickets right now on a constitutional defense of a violation of my 14th amendment due process rights. But I’ve got a hot pcket in the microwave, so…eh
I just pay them.
Considering I break like 9000 laws every day driving, I think of it as karma for never getting pulled over.
well i'm not all about fighting the good fight
A judge already took on that task…donno whatever came about it.
generally speaking I HATE red light runners…those fuckers that smoke the red light in the middle of rush hour traffic so “generally speaking” i support them, HOWEVER, when it’s 3am not a car in sight and someone makes a legal right turn on red…or those lights that never change at 3am…those piss me off too. like road rage piss me off.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
yeah, the constitutional defense has been raised a number of times
and in the past it’s usually been rejected. However, a circuit court judge (fed. court of appeals) in Florida just ruled them unconstitutional. That’s actually a pretty big deal. From there it can appealed to the Supreme Court, although it doesn’t mean they’ll decide to review it. But the constitutional defense does have its merits; There is a presumption of guilt that effects a kind of inversion of the burdens of proof. You don’t know if the camera was faulty that day, you don’t really have the means to prove it was, you usually aren’t even congizant of the fact you’re doing something wrong (I got two and never knowingly ran a red light) so by the time you get the ticket you’re pretty much clueless as to the circumstances surrounding the alleged violation. What it basically amounts to is a de facto presumption of guilt that you have very little means to contest.
just out of curiosity
you’re pretty much clueless as to the circumstances surrounding the alleged violation
how is the situation different from long term surveillance (of the type that one sees regularly in movies/tv, and I assume happens, if infrequently, in real life). Wouldn’t all the same problems about being able to contest specifics on a particular day months earlier come into play there.
by brackenthebox on Mar 1, 2010 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
hmmm...good question
I’m sure there isn’t a bright line delineation, but I assume those surveillance methods hold a lot more weight and are more valid because they can establish a pattern of behavior. Also, just pragmatically, if you’re engaged in the kind of conduct that warrants sophisticated surveillance, I think the presumption is a lot stronger that you knew what you were doing. I’m more likely to remember that sale of 4 kilos of coke two months ago than the time I missed that no right turn on red sign.
isn't there also
some question as to the validity of the issuing authority sending you a ticket and essentially telling you that the burden of proof (in terms of identifying the offender) lies with you. I mean they have no real method of proving who the driver actually is right?
the burden of proof is still on them...just plead not guilty on the ticket.
when the prosecutor shows the vehicle speeding (or whatever) and claims it was you, you can testify (truthfully, of course) that it wasn’t you and the jury can make its determination whether the prosecution has proved its case.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Mar 1, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
Cities in some states have tried to avoid constitutionality issues
by declaring the citations to be “civil,” which means that they don’t even have to clear that high of a burden of proof hurdle.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Mar 1, 2010 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
Even in a civil case
the burden of proof still has to reach an outcome of “a preponderance of the evidence”, as opposed to “beyond a reasonable doubt” or “clear and convincing evidence”. To put it in terms of percentage, more than 50% likely that you’re guilty.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Mar 1, 2010 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
Yes,
but there isn’t a prosecutor and there isn’t the highest burden on the government in proceedings over a civil fine. They still have the burden, but the “I wasn’t driving” defense seems to me to be less formidible in the civil setting.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Mar 1, 2010 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Mar 1, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
I didn't put a specific burden of proof...
in my first post because I didn’t actually know how it was treated in whatever jurisdiction we’re talking about (Is it St. Louis? I don’t live there anyway so it wouldn’t matter…)
But in any event, perhaps the “I wasn’t driving” defense is “less formidable” because it is a pretty crappy defense in most cases. And if it’s a civil case, you can always bring in the third-party defendant who was driving your car and pin it on them. Fuck’em.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Mar 1, 2010 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
I imagine a father doing this to his child,
and I find it pretty funny.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Mar 1, 2010 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
Oversight?
I think it’s mentioned briefly elsewhere here, but long-term surveillance may often be preceded by a warrant. Also, doesn’t the fact that a charge based at least in part on long-term surveillance is usually supported by either an arrest warrant or an indictment? I would think this level of scrutiny is far greater than in a red-light camera case.
Also, I’m not sure that traffic violations are actually “criminal” violations in all jurisdictions, in the sense that rules of criminal procedure or typical rights of a person charged with a crime attach. I may be waaaaaay off on this one, though.
I think that type of long-term surveillance requires judicial authority.
At least, that’s what I learned from watching The Wire.
Forget it, spants. It's Chinatown. - tom s.
see, I learned the opposite from The Wire
by brackenthebox on Mar 1, 2010 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
When an officer sees you himself, it's one thing.
But when there is electronic monitoring involved, it’s another.
Forget it, spants. It's Chinatown. - tom s.
haha
I’m in the middle of re-watching the series, and my husband is watching them for the first time. He got a kick out of Fuzzy Dunlop.
Forget it, spants. It's Chinatown. - tom s.
Did you know
That Avon Barksdale is a real person? The even have a documentary out about him called “The Avon Barksdale Story: Legends of the Unwired (2009)”
by FlimtotheFlam on Mar 1, 2010 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
ya, but the character was actually a composite of several late 80s early 90s drug guys
so while the name may be real, his story and the series wont match up.
but one of the guys the character avon is based on played the deacon who helps out cutty and bunny starting in season 3
i know that deacon
Was a hard core gambler. BET had a kick ass special on him. Wish I could remember it.
by FlimtotheFlam on Mar 1, 2010 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
i rewatch the series periodically
currently at the end of season 3, so much stuff that i notice stuff ive missed on rewatch 3 and 4
I just started my epic journey
I’m two episodes into season one. Luckily, my friends are obsessed, so I can just borrow the DVDs from them.
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
I want to buy them,
but it’s been a long, cold winter which means business is halted. Spring is coming soon, I hope.
Forget it, spants. It's Chinatown. - tom s.
...say wut again.
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Yeah...
We use our landlord’s internet. He received a letter from Charter via HBO, so we don’t do that anymore.
Forget it, spants. It's Chinatown. - tom s.
my public library has it
for a dollar a week, I can check out an entire season. makes for some intense watching that way!
by baked mcbride on Mar 1, 2010 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
That is awesome.
Yeah, with Josh not working much, we’re tearing through the seasons.
Forget it, spants. It's Chinatown. - tom s.
i just watched that episode last night
working my way through for a second time
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
Where does Robocop fit in?
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
I don't know about St. Louis
but in Chicago red light tickets are a massive source of revenue. If you don’t pay, your car is eventually booted/impounded.
It does’nt matter if the camera has your face. They aren’t moving violations. You are responsible for your car.
In St. Louis,
red light tickets are in conflict with other laws. That’s one reason why the city cannot come after you for not paying.
Forget it, spants. It's Chinatown. - tom s.
in soviet russia you give traffic lights camera tickets.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Mar 1, 2010 12:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
One of my favorite stories about the Soviet Union...
The black market was huge obviously, because that was a way to get stuff without bribing someone. But apparently there was a black market for burnt out light bulbs.
Why the demand for dead light bulbs? Well, you couldn’t ever get a new one on your own. But you could switch out the dead one for one at work. The gov’t replaced its own bulbs no problem, but you had to have a dead one to switch with or else it was obvious that you stole it.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Mar 1, 2010 2:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
so,
what did they do with the light bulb that went out in the first place that required them to need a new bulb? Did they throw it out and curse their luck that they had to go buy a new burnt out bulb?
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
I've always wondered that myself
Maybe it was just to stock up on them when the stores ran out?
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
the quality control guys in lightbulb factories
are your suppliers. the end-consumer wants to end up with two working lightbulbs.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I just want to know how these cameras ever got put up.
Doesnt’ the government in theory work for us? Who out there thought we needed these cameras and was beating down the door to city hall demanding they be put up? Shouldn’t there be some way we can petition to get them taken down and tell the city if they want a fund raiser to hold a policeman bikini car wash… ok maybe that’s a bad idea, but you get the point…
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
There are major $ deficits in local gov'ts,
often because of the increase in costs in pensions for police, firefighters, and other gov’t employees. Cities are trying to make up the difference. I have lots of other thoughts on this matter, but I shall no bite my tongue.
Forget it, spants. It's Chinatown. - tom s.
haha. yeah
we’re getting close to politics here, so I’ll desist, but I thought “eff those GD red light cameras” was one area we all could agree.
Which is the point I was trying to make...
Once again I suck at wordsmithing…
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
presumably, the cost of a ticket includes the probability of being caught
if you’re going to dramatically increase the likelihood of being ticketed, it seems like there should be a commensurate decrease in the penalty.
Personally, I don’t think we should have laws/regulations that we can’t/don’t enforce, so I support the idea of this type of system, but only once it reaches the (presumed) cost equilibrium.
by brackenthebox on Mar 1, 2010 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
There is a decrease in the penalty.
If you’re caught by an actual police officer, it is a moving violation, which means points, or lawyers and fines. If you take the points, your insurance can go up and you could eventually lose your license.
If you are caught by a camera, it’s a non-moving violation. There is a $100 fine across the board, no matter how many of these tickets you get. No points, no insurance issues. And on top of those reductions in penalties, the City of Saint Louis cannot force you to pay. (But the county and assorted municipalities can, so don’t mess around, people!)
Forget it, spants. It's Chinatown. - tom s.
ah, good to know
happily, I have been without car for the last 6 years, but I’m sure that’ll change before too long.
by brackenthebox on Mar 1, 2010 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
In Memphis they put them up at locations where red-light running is rampant
"How long have you known me, Jack? And you still don't know how to spell my name."
- Yogi after receiving a check from Jack Buck made out to Bearer
by blueinmemphis on Mar 1, 2010 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
New competition for catcher?!?!
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he allegedly has a pitch, too, y'know.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Boog is the next Miles?
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BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS
he's friends with Miles
he’s been plotting for years
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
GRIT + Cheesy Mustache = New Miles.
Well, maybe half a mile. He’s still need to beat up a thug to go the full Mile.
;=8)
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
....he's a lover not a fighter?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Here's hopin' he doesn't love a thug.
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it depends
is it Thug Love or Thug Luv
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Thuuuug Luuuuuuv

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i'm stunned you found a SFW one.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Searched with "luv", not "love"...
Also didn’t realize “Thug Luv” is a Bone Thugs ’n Harmony song…
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I enjoyed
how in concert they still played the song, with Tupac’s part on tape
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
?
what’s poppin Yadi
put your mother-truckin hand on your strap yadi
Thug Luv Yadi we can do this like gangstas
and slug it out or be like punks and punk it out
pull your strap on me Yadi and you better kill be thug life baby
I’ll probably be punished for hard living blind to the facts
Thugs is convicts in gods prison hand on the strap
Praying to father please forgive me police be rushing when they see me
I flaunted America’s most wanted live on TV life
Pleasure and pain stuck in this game holler my name
We all gone die we bleed through similar veins
You’re explain to me now don’t panic when my gun burst
Heard the last jam Yadi this ones worse
My XXXX bone held the chrome till I came home
Thug Luv players tell these bitch Yadis bring it on
I caught a plane out to Cleveland late last evening
To help my yadis clean up some yadis no longer breathing now
Who you believe in hit the weed and breathe it’s a
Cold ass the world them yadis kill you in your sleep
Until they stop me bury murder me or drop me
I got Thug Luv for my nationwide posse feel me
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
you have arms?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
victory is mine!
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
For those who haven't seen yet....
MLB Network’s “30 Clubs in 30 Days” will be showing the Cardinals on Saturday, March 13th at 5:00, 9:00, and 10:00 EST
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That's my birthday!
Too bad I don’t have MLB network.
"I learned a long time ago if you keep checking your stats all year, you're going to end up in the toilet." - Chris Carpenter, 2009.
Anybody else watchin' the Pine Tar Game?
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OT
For those who are interested in MLB At Bat, it should be available tomorrow!
Bought it last year, and it was worth every penny of the $10. (cheaper than a gameday audio subsctiprion).
mid-season free video was a bonus
I bought it last year as well
And it was worth every penny.
"I learned a long time ago if you keep checking your stats all year, you're going to end up in the toilet." - Chris Carpenter, 2009.
post this tomorrow plz
so i don’t forgets.
k.thx.bai.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
Gameday Audio
I’m pretty ignorant about this. Do blackout restrictions apply to Gameday Audio?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
No blackout restrictions on the audio
Only on the video. I suspect that we may see a change in the video blackout this year. I thought I heard that some teams have already green lighted MLB to allow mobile users with the app to view the home team for a price. Seems logical to assume that a mobile device is not in competition with the local TV rights holder and this is a way to generate more revenue. I am hopeful that this is the way that this is headed.
"I learned a long time ago if you keep checking your stats all year, you're going to end up in the toilet." - Chris Carpenter, 2009.
good.
maybe this will finally be the year i’m not blacked out of padres games in phoenix, arizona.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
I'm not blacked out of Royals games in St. Louis,
but my friend in KC is blacked out of Cardinals games.
Forget it, spants. It's Chinatown. - tom s.
I'm in Boston and was blacked out of Cardinals games last year
before calling them and relaying my IP address to a rep over the phone so they could manually enter it into their database. Reminded me of the Seinfeld moviefone episode. “Why don’t you just tell me…where you want to watch the game from.”
Makes sense I guess
there are a lot more Cardinals fans in KC than royals fans in StL.
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
i assume that you cannot watch KC games on TV from STL
and vice-versa?
it makes sense if KC gets FSN Cardinals. I mean, it’s still BS, but it at least makes sense.
They do not broadcast padres games in Phx.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
I got expanded basic at the end of last season.
Not sure if digital would make a difference in terms of what FSN has to offer.
Forget it, spants. It's Chinatown. - tom s.
mlb's blackout policy is my favorite...
I enjoyed living in far southern Arkansas and not having the games aired on t.v. and being blacked out on the gameday video feed because I was in the home market. When I was in college in central Illinois I tried to watch a cards cub game online with gameday video (because the local fox affiliate thought I would rather watch the giants and dodgers) and was of course blocked out on both the cubs and the cards feed… when I called mlb about trying to get it unlocked for my ip address they informed they couldn’t / wouldn’t because I was in both markets even though they confirmed my local affiliate wasn’t showing the in market game.
what kills me
is that mlb.tv has been around for a really long time. i mean, i remember getting it on my computer when it was streaming in like 56k. it was terrible. so, after all this time, they STILL can’t work something out with the networks?
i blame bud selig entirely.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
Thanks for the info on audio.
I seem to remember some scuttlebutt about changing the blackout restrictions policy last offseason, but the owners then killed any reform. Disappointing but not surprising. I wonder how they can differentiate between a laptop and a smartphone. Presumably, you register at a set address for each and both are readily portable.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
They use IP addresses for laptops.
Unless you’re connecting to 3G or something. Otherwise, I’m sure they use cellular tower data to figure out where you are.
Forget it, spants. It's Chinatown. - tom s.
Right.
Or the GPS tracker in your phone, if it’s enabled. And that’s my point. How can they lift the restrictions for smartphones only and not laptops? It’s not hard for them to know where you are with either device.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Cheers for proxy servers on laptops
What I don’t get is if you are “In market”, why don’t they just provide the FSN broadcast AND commercials and whatnot. They please the FSN people and then please customers with MLB.tv service? How hard could this be if they are already providing the feed?
Not afraid to nitpick
Until they get paid for those ad views, I doubt that system works
by brackenthebox on Mar 1, 2010 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
But if MLB reports to FSN the number of people watching it like that
Wouldn’t that count for FSN ratings?
Not afraid to nitpick
pretty sure it doesn't work like that
if it did, Hulu would be raking in money. For some reason, advertisers aren’t yet willing to pay as much for online video ads.
by brackenthebox on Mar 1, 2010 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
Hulu is making money.
Joker set me straight last time. And, they’re going to go towards a subscription-based model for access to older videos.
Forget it, spants. It's Chinatown. - tom s.
I think Hulu is raking in money
But even still that seems short sighted of FSN even if they are getting less money. Who are the people who are watching MLB.tv in market? People at work, people out…..people who can’t watch the regular broadcast anyway. No one is going to choose a laptop over the TV. This seems like a very easy “value creation” strategy.
Not afraid to nitpick
It's just a part
of the overall antiquated ideas media outlets still bring to new media. Sure, there are plenty of ideas we can discuss like that which make perfect sense and would totally work, but that’s not the viewpoint these companies are coming from. It’s why they’re doing so poorly.
We all have ways of coping. I use sex and awesomeness.
by the red baron on Mar 1, 2010 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
The one people that seem to doing it well is ESPN.
Their ESPN360 service is excellent way to watch streaming sports for free.
by FlimtotheFlam on Mar 1, 2010 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
they'd have to reach an agreement with advertisers to get paid for online views
and none of the media outlets want to set a precedent of accepting less for viewing the same ad on a computer screen than on a television.
Basically, what baron said above.
by brackenthebox on Mar 1, 2010 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
Haha yeah
“We can give you more viewers without cannibalizing your current market at all”
“Well we could reach an agreement with advertisers to make more money, but we don’t want to do that.”
Anyone know why advertisers won’t pay more for the same ad on TV as on a computer?
Not afraid to nitpick
Not everyone has cable
or satellite, so having their content streaming on MLB could cut into their subscriber market. (It would be essentially a small step towards a la cart cable programming, which I doubt FSN would be against.)
That’s the only reasonable problem I’d see. It’s far easier to change the channel on the TV than on MLB.tv, and even if you switch tabs or something while the ads are on, you’re still hearing the audio, so streaming advertisments are better for them than ads on TV.
Guys like Bradley are exactly why we can't have a pumpkin patch anymore.
Except what is weird is that MLB
usually advertises itself during commercial breaks. Sometimes last season I’d see an Ace Hardware ad. But usually it was just MLB Shop ads. Or the ad that started “Hey ump!” I can still hear that ad in my nightmares.
Forget it, spants. It's Chinatown. - tom s.
Or the one with all the MLB players pushing MLB tv
or the stock market one with the babies (though I actually quite liked that).
I basically watched about 100 games last year on mlb tv, so I pretty much know them all word-for-word.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Mar 2, 2010 6:36 AM EST up reply actions
Also
another irritating thing about mlb tv –
because I watch a lot of the games after they’ve occurred (i.e. quite often the next day), this really irritated me. Basically, they don’t cut out ANY of the break between innings, and there’s no easy way to skip between them. Seriously, especially given there’s virtually no commercials, how hard would it be to just erase all the 2 minute sections where the screen is just blank, for people watching the game retrospectively?
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Mar 2, 2010 6:37 AM EST up reply actions
I'm actually really surprised that google isn't in on this yet
It seems like a perfect analog to their adwords model. If a third party handled the price negotiations with the sites and the advertisers, it would let everyone take advantage of the existing market without locking themselves into any pricing scheme. Eventually, the bigger sites would still have their direct deals (the way that, for example, big blogs do now).
by brackenthebox on Mar 1, 2010 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
google doesn't believe in baseball
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
well it better change its tune
if it plans on taking over the world.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
by IHeartBoog on Mar 1, 2010 1:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I imagine that they view a laptop as competition for TV viewers
Whereas the 3in screen on your smartphone is not really considered competition. I don’t have any insider knowledge that this is the case, I just think that is the direction it is trending.
"I learned a long time ago if you keep checking your stats all year, you're going to end up in the toilet." - Chris Carpenter, 2009.
They don't use GPS to check your location with the phone
by FlimtotheFlam on Mar 1, 2010 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
yet
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Right.
I have GPS in mine, but I turn it off because it creeps me out.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Mar 1, 2010 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
Do you like carry it around in your pocket or what?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Mar 1, 2010 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
right next to the lock picks
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
i just run tests on it
I also have a cell phone blocker.
by FlimtotheFlam on Mar 1, 2010 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
I thought the tin foil hats were supposed to take care of that.
crap
Is it Spring yet?
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Mar 1, 2010 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
actually...
from the site:
Please note: MLB.com At Bat™ live game blackouts are determined using multiple reference points, including GPS.
I was at a meeting for work a couple weeks ago...
and they showed us how accurate the GPS system in our phones and corresponding satellite/aerial photos are, they could tell if I was taking a dump at target or sitting at the drive thru at Taco Bell
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Mar 1, 2010 11:49 PM EST up reply actions
and people wonder why I use a gps blocker
by FlimtotheFlam on Mar 2, 2010 12:58 AM EST up reply actions
dexter could have used one in that episode I watched tonight
I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 2, 2010 1:13 AM EST up reply actions
you shitting me?!
have you actually seen dexter? it was a pretty pivotal point in the season series
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
the one where layla uses his gps to go find dexter
and then sees dokes in the house in the everglades
I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 2, 2010 1:25 AM EST up reply actions
wait
are you shitting me?
that is definitely not the worst that dexter has been burned by gps. and a gps blocker wouldn’t even have helped him then! that was his own navigation system!
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
it was the episode I watched tonight
what more do you want from me
I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 2, 2010 1:30 AM EST up reply actions
I'm a tard
sorry, the gps thing getting stolen was the first thing that popped into my head
I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 2, 2010 1:35 AM EST up reply actions
I know nothing of these blockers
if they want to know where I am, they can just ask politely.
I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 2, 2010 1:31 AM EST up reply actions
what?
I thought you had watched all of it!
I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 2, 2010 1:37 AM EST up reply actions
at least none of this stuff is in season 1
just drink a few extra franklins to erase this information
I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 2, 2010 1:38 AM EST up reply actions
it took me a week to get through all the episodes
warning season three is perhaps the worst of the four.
yeah
by far the worst
but the other three are awesome enough to make up for it. my favorite show, btw
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
mad men is quite good also
I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 2, 2010 1:40 AM EST up reply actions
have not seen it
i will look into it
looking for something for after i finish the wire
was thinking about going with the shield. have heard good things. what say veb?
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
I'm obsessed with the red head from Mad Men
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Mar 2, 2010 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
Never seen that show
But I think that actress was YoSaffBridge from Firefly.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Yeah
Maybe “obsessed” isn’t the right word if I can never remember her name. She’s quite a looker though.
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
not sure if you need to know
her name to be obsessed, but you’ll definitely need it if you want to be a stalker.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
The Shield is must see.
Don’t question it…just watch them all…..
* is an Asshat
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Mad Men is way better than Dexter.
Michael C Hall, I think that’s his name, carries Dexter through some pretty uninteresting plot lines sometimes. Mad Men is great through out.
(Insert Your Own Joke)
by AWolfAtTheDoor on Mar 2, 2010 2:03 AM EST up reply actions
not having seen dexter season3
I wouldn’t say mad men is way better, but yeah, that show is amazing
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 2, 2010 2:12 AM EST up reply actions
doh
that’s the next one I’m going to watch… I thought season 1 was probably better than 2, but season 2 was easier to watch straight through
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 2, 2010 1:40 AM EST up reply actions
hopefully I will be getting out of the house more often so I won't need to be doing any dexter marathons
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 2, 2010 1:45 AM EST up reply actions
if you ever want to have fun...
install google maps on your phone and then check out the level of clarity and accuracy you can get with the aerial photo.
This past fall while I was out doing some preliminary environmental compliance work and optimizing the locations of each wind turbine for a wind farm in north central Missouri with a surveyor, we came to realize that the data he had been provided for the locations we were going to was in the wrong projection (showing up in the wrong spot on the map). The data I had on my maps was in the correct projection. Using my paper maps and google maps on my phone I was able to navigate us to within 5 feet of where we needed to be each time.
And all the while, if my boss really wanted to he could have been following our progress quite easily on google lattitude.
It's probably a result of finishing 4th in the division,
but I do not recall Lopez’s time with the Cardinals in 2008 at all. How did we use him then? What were the circumstances of his signings? Was it mostly MI work, filling in for Izturis and Kennedy?
Speaking of not remembering 2008, looking at the roster for the year, I also do not recall Josh Phelps or Mark Johnson. I assume Johnson was LaRue’s backup after Yadi was laid out.
@aaronjscott
released by the Nats
signed by us in August. Did very well, playing all over the place.
Phelps was awesome in Memphis that year, if I recall correctly.
Fangraphs->Felipe Lopez->Show Partial Seasons
here. That will show you his offensive numbers (damn fine) as well as positional defensive numbers (middling) and # of games at each position.
Aha. Thanks.
It’s all coming back to me now. (nooge)
I don’t know if it’s just a matter of playing for a better team, but his basic offensive numbers were on a downhill slide with the Nats and then climbed upward after signing with the Cards.
Damn. He hit .234 with the Nats and then .385 with the Cards. That’s a wider gap than what Lego did last year (.286 vs .353)
@aaronjscott
by musialsuspects on Mar 1, 2010 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
yeah
dude was on fire
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 1, 2010 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
i guess you missed the discussions here
but lopex got the nickname flop in dc for his lack of effort on the field (he was disgruntled there, iirc, by guzman replacing him at ss). coming to stl was a breath of fresh air for him, or an eye-opener, or some of both, and he performed very well, at least offensively.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Free Allen Craig
I don’t know if this has already been posted, but Craig worked out with the infielders Sunday, according to Leach:
Allen Craig worked out with the infielders today, which was a bit curious. TLR said, though, that Craig’s best opportunity to make this team remains as an outfielder. That’s truer than ever, of course, with the addition of Felipe Lopez.
“He’s throwing from the outfield, and he takes infield during infield practice, then he goes to the outfield for the popup drills that we’re going to do today,” La Russa said.
“I think there’s more opportunities for him in the outfield.”
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
That last line
is either encouraging or a cruel tease.
Guys like Bradley are exactly why we can't have a pumpkin patch anymore.
He continued
"I think there’s more opportunities for him in the outfield. Aaron Luna, Daniel Descalso, Mark Hamilton and Ruben Gotay have basically got the infield covered in Memphis"
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Mar 1, 2010 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, I link-dumped it somewhere
but no one knew who he was, so…
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
poor Julio
the guy really doesn’t have much to offer the team anymore, unless his offense is somehow unbelievable this year, which most likely won’t happen. but maybe the glare will intimidate the pitchers…. as tom mentioned the other day, I’d rather have tyler greene as backup shortstop, which seems to be the only place the Lugo fits right now.
as for FLopez, I will be mad if TLR doesn’t start him every game vs. LHP, Skip is really that bad at hitting lefties. heck, maybe Skip is the guy that Lopez should be displacing? he certainly has been the better hitter in recent times. also, Lopez Mutual takes the pressure off of the management in case Freese melts
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 1, 2010 1:07 PM EST reply actions
I think Skip is somewhere in a corner, rocking back and forth.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
yeah I have a sad for Skip
after all that work to become a 2b, floppy is better in almost all respects – switch hitter, can play multiple positions, better base stealer…
unless, UNLESS freese doesn’t work out.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
I don't feel sorry for Julio.
He’s getting $9MM (or, has he already received his check from Boston?) for the 2010 season.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Mar 1, 2010 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
yeah
I noticed that last night and did a double take
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 1, 2010 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
Brendan Ryan's stalker has news!
this just in: Boog is the most interesting man in the world
In recent workouts, Ryan has been a self-described "nomad", roaming from drill to drill and doing as much as he could without using his right wrist. During groundball work, he would field the ball with his glove and then use the glove to throw the ball in, Jai-Alai style.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
He's no Skip...

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by vexedtechie on Mar 1, 2010 2:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That's so last year.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Mar 1, 2010 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
This may be true, but it doesn't turn a year old until July 19th.
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Which would subsequently mark my first anniversary as resident Photoshop Bitch
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This was your first PS work for the comment section?
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Mar 1, 2010 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
it was when we tricked him into making something, and it was awesome.
now he’s on the bench. though now that Lopez is here…..
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Tricked?! I was a willing participant, foo.
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F...
OT: Do they still make corn nuts?
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I'm pretty sure I saw some a few months back at Meijer...
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
I went to the gas station tonight....
….they didn’t have them. I settled for Gardettos. Plus-side…it was a bag filled with ONLY rye chips.
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Is there a reason
they put anything but the rye chips in there? Would anyone be angry if they did away with the mix and went to the straight rye chips…
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
I blame that on the extra x chromosome...
The rye chips are the only story…
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
In fairness I focus
on the one thing that is really good.
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
yeah, that's what all the marks say
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
if anyone is a fan of The Cat
most of the Top Videos are the Cardinals players finding out they have to talk to this guy all season long
http://foxsportsmidwest.com/pages/stlcardinals
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
No worries about Lopez in the outfield
Because Lopez can play 2b and the Cardinals move the outfielder-turned-2b into the outfield. It’s like a Twist-O-Plot book authored by TLR. Plus, when Ryan is deemed good-to-go, Lugo can be traded to a team-in-need for minor league parts. As The World’s Best Boss would say, this is a win-win-win.
Honi soit qui mal y pense.
go Mo!
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 1, 2010 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
You spelled Lopex wrong.
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Also, appropriate Office reference there...
I just don’t want to wear any baby shirts.
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I wonder if we kept the right one of these three prospects: Motte, Perez, Todd
I guess this season we will be able to tell… well, it will probably be a storyline for the next 2 seasons I guess.
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 1, 2010 2:09 PM EST reply actions
todd i didn't care about once he was moved to the pen
that said, i was hoping he wasn’t the ptbnl just because i was hoping to pay less of a price than that. and, at the time, i was definitely hoping it was perez and not motte as the marquee guy – we’ll see how it goes.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I'd much rather trade a guy with a flat, straight fastball.
To me, Todd with his sinker and Perez with his movement were both more promising pitchers. That said, I’m really pulling for Motte.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Mar 1, 2010 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
p-d needs to edit their articles
I was reading the lede on Bubbles and there was this huge blank in the first paragraph.
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Felipe Lopez is next up on Bernie's
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
he doesn't sound real enthused.
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
He is making Boras sound like
a dog that peed on the carpet just one too many times
by FlimtotheFlam on Mar 1, 2010 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
I think he's just being diplomatic
he sounds like he wants to beat his face in.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
on Boras
“You know when someone does something to you, and you tell (warn?) them not to do it, and they keep doing it and keep doing it… you have to make a decision.”
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
apparently he was not informed of anything
“and especially in free agency, you want to be on top of everything.”
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
he got a spike when Bernie mentioned playing with the likes of Pujols
get on the bandwagon, it’s leavin’ the station
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
though good answer
he’s not playing favorites in the Man Stew
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
In the audio from the Globe-Democrat,
he said “I knew where I wanted to be.” He wanted to be a Cardinal all along.
Forget it, spants. It's Chinatown. - tom s.
more on the plague sweeping camp
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
i'd get rid of the stav infection now
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
the downside of the Man Stew
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
my father just had to deal with the plague
As soon as he got back from Hawaii he was sick as a dog
by FlimtotheFlam on Mar 1, 2010 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
Something I just thought of
Does Mark DeRosa get a standing ovation in his first AB for the Giants in St. Louis this season?
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
they don't stand unless it's for the Wave.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
yeah, that's a bit overboard
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
we won't find out till August 20
if anyone is at that game, they might not remember his stunning good looks.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
on the other hand, the one and only Troy Glaus will return
April 26
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Christmas in April!!!!!
Is it Spring yet?
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Mar 1, 2010 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
Santa's coming back!!!!
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
so be good for goodness sake.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Mar 1, 2010 2:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
the all-Jocketty team returns April 30
the ex-pitchers, I mean the Brewers don’t have a St. Louis game until June 4.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
did rolen play last year when cinci was in STL?
i can’t remember if he got a standing O or not…he should have, IMO.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
he was on the DL, and hid in the clubhouse
I saw one of the games.
there was also the not-reconciliation with Tony. he cleared the air, but did they make eye contact? photo evidence says no.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
so i guess the question is,
will he get one on April 30?
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
i don't see why not.
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I mean, none of these guys are So Taguchi.
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
allegedly
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Mar 1, 2010 11:53 PM EST up reply actions
maybe a slightly enthusiastic clap?
probably more for him leaving the cubs and their downfall than for him playing for the cardinals
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
I saw a demo of god of war 2 at a friend's house friday night
it looked very over the top… this one character was freakin huge
I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 1, 2010 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
whoops, heh
I don’t play video games, didn’t know haha. looked pretty damn cool though when I was drunk.
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 1, 2010 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
Junior believes in man stew
i’m kind of glad the national media hasn’t wrung our man stew of its nuttiness. it’s one of my favorite parts of the game, but WWL has a way of turning everything into a postcard.
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
junior's given name is george?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
they do
their gm deserves some kind of medal. to me, they are favorites in the al west
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 1, 2010 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
Jack Z is a monster
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
i'm not sure they are favorites
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
You're telling him what his opinion is?
They aren’t favorites to sports writers. But Chitown is picking them.
Forget it, spants. It's Chinatown. - tom s.
sorry
missed some punctuation there
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
the sportswriters are always a little more conservative with their predictions than I am
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 1, 2010 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
yeah
I’m just saying that to me they are…. great pitching, very solid defensively at least on the SS and 3B side…. I think Milton Bradley will kick ass this year too. just sayin, it’s my opinion that they will be hard to beat.
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 1, 2010 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with you.
If they don’t finish first, they’re probably second.
Forget it, spants. It's Chinatown. - tom s.
I think the Angels missed their window
The A’s, not gonna do a whole lot probably… can’t even remember what the other team is heh
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 1, 2010 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
oh yeah
actually they will probably be pretty good too. but they never seem to be able to put it all together.
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 1, 2010 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, with four teams
and one being the A’s, i like the mariners chances to finish in the top half
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
explain why the mariners can't win the division...
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 1, 2010 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
i think they'll finish first or second
so i think they can win the division, and i’m in fact rooting for that outcome. i just misread your initial post by a comma and a period. i believe the angels are the favorites, though.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
yeah, I guess so
but no one really sticks out to me that much on that team, I always think of them as kind of overachieving
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 1, 2010 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
Mariners sign Wes Littleton! they're goin all the way
(MiL)
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Actually
I’ve mostly read that the Strangers are the faves for the division. But, it’s not like they have a history of success.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Mar 1, 2010 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
sounds like it will be a fun division to keep an eye on
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 1, 2010 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
yeah
I was just thinking about how usually I don’t give a rat’s ass about the AL, but all 3 divisions look like they could develop into good races down the stretch
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 1, 2010 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
i could see a three-way battle
and the a’s offering (a healthy) sheets to the highest bidder of the three.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I'm not convinced the Angels are very good
you could make a solid argument for them being the WEAKEST team in that division. They’ve out-performed their pythag quite a bit in the last few years, and they’re definitely worse in 2010. I think the Mariners and Rangers will be the teams to beat, but all four have some sort of chance. A’s might suck on offense (which’ll probably derail them) but they’re probably the best team in the division at run-prevention.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Mar 2, 2010 6:49 AM EST up reply actions
is that last line because of the a's pitching?
because i thought the mariners were considered a defensive juggernaut.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Arguably the best bullpen in baseball
and a pretty solid starting rotation with LOTS of depth (i.e. they’re more resistant to injury than most). So, yeah. You’ve also got to say that their defense is pretty awesome, probably as good as Seattle’s. Their entire outfield is basically made up of centrefielders.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Mar 2, 2010 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, i guess i'm still thinking of them
as full of lumbering dh types, whereas there’s been a makeover – even have rickey in camp teaching basestealing, not exactly a tenet of recent-past A’s teams.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
The A's might surprise you
They’re got a lot of good young pitching (Brett Anderson is a STUD), Ben Sheets seems to be healthy, and their lineup ain’t half bad.
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
En multaj lokoj de Ĉinio estis temploj de drako-reĝo.
Dum trosekeco oni preĝis en la temploj, ke la drako-reĝo donu pluvon al la homa mondo. Tiam drako estis simbolo de la supernatura estaĵo. Kaj pli poste, ĝi fariĝis prapatro de la plej altaj regantoj kaj simbolis la absolutan aŭtoritaton de feŭda imperiestro. La imperiestro pretendis, ke li estas filo de la drako. Ĉiuj liaj vivbezonaĵoj portis la nomon drako kaj estis ornamitaj per diversaj drakofiguroj. Nun ĉie en Ĉinio videblas drako-ornamentaĵoj, kaj cirkulas legendoj pri drakoj.
:=8)
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
are you getting Esperantmoo on us?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
yes,
I enjoy imported beef as well
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
it's something about a dragon
dude, the harry potter thread was yesterday
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I'm watching Harry Potter right now!
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
google translate:
We are not yet able to translate from Esperanto into English.
* is an Asshat
Also, Dave Concepcion.
(actually it's in wikipedia. I do actually know what it says.)
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
They speak English in What?

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by vexedtechie on Mar 1, 2010 4:09 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
kill the pear!
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 1, 2010 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
It'd be better if it were a MF'in avocado.
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by vexedtechie on Mar 1, 2010 4:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
absolutely!
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
maybe our resident photoshop bitch
should get on this?
* is an Asshat
Also, Dave Concepcion.
by RiverRat on Mar 1, 2010 4:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Dammit....fine.
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Goddamn Hass Avocados...

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by vexedtechie on Mar 1, 2010 4:35 PM EST up reply actions 28 recs
This should have 287 recs by now
just sayin’
Is it Spring yet?
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Mar 1, 2010 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
the ceiling for recs is around 100.
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
personally
i’d like to see a hole in that avocado. (i hear avocado brains look a lot like guacamole.)
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
i never understood the whole
Boycott Hass Avocados
by FlimtotheFlam on Mar 1, 2010 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
it's one of those things
where you just nod and move along
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
yeah.
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 1, 2010 5:03 PM EST up reply actions
First rule of Hass Avocados?
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
that can be a strangely sensual experience.
Ask RB.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Mar 2, 2010 6:50 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
nice
might be nice to have a little hass logo on the side, but good work
I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 1, 2010 5:03 PM EST up reply actions
i think it was determined
that hass is a type of avocado, not a brand
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
all I know is that I really like guacamole
I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 1, 2010 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
22+ recs?!
Wow….thanks guys!
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BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS
You're right. Redacted.
I apologize to the community.
(he started it)
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im sure Y2 could come up with something
"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."
/Downs Franklins
quiet, they're about to pay me off
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
you know what spants, I could respond to this in a flippant manner
but I fear for my life, so I ’m just going to compliment your sig.
it's the say wut pear and Sam L.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
To which he says "Say 'wut' again"
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I must say
it is pretty funny. Jules is pointing a gun at that pear that says wut all the time
I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 1, 2010 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
we've gone round the twist now
we’re live-blogging the blog.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
nice
I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 1, 2010 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
and 2012 is just around the corner
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Mar 1, 2010 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
try this
http://web.mit.edu/bking/Public/wutpear1.jpg
unless your firewall doesn’t let any images through which would frankly be amazing.
by brackenthebox on Mar 1, 2010 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
i think it's rumanian. something about a dragon king.
the figure in cinema symbolizes the absolute authority of the feudal empire.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
OT: propehtjohn.....
can you repost you’re links to the BR and VEB search ad on for FF?
Thanks.
* is an Asshat
Also, Dave Concepcion.
sure
but google is your friend
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/fangraphs-search-plugin/
http://www.baseball-reference.com/friv/
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
I had the fg one, but I thought you
coded the BR and a VEB one.
* is an Asshat
Also, Dave Concepcion.
oh, the VEB one!
i misread
i’m not at home now, but i’ll upload it when i get home
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
there's a VEB one? that's the only one I'm missing.
maybe one for minorleaguesplits as well would be cool.
i dunno
if i can do minor league splits
i’ll look at it when i get home and see if i can figure out how there search function works
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
here's veb
go to start > computer > c:\ > programs files (x86) > mozilla firefox > searchplugins > then just drop the file in there and restart firefox
not sure about minorleaguesplits. they use some kind of script, so i need to figure out what that actual url is when it’s searching a name before it gets translated to pl=##### or whatever
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
oh, hey, you want the url?
http://www.mediafire.com/?jyy2oyzymmh
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
okay
looks like the best i can figure out at this moment would be a last name only player search for minorleaguesplits.com
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
yeah, i don't know how to do this
it’s weird because they have a separate box for first and last names. no way that i know of to separate the first and last name to get it to work
as far as i can tell, with their search algorithm, the best that can be done is last name only search
want?
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
or if anyone else knows how to do it or wants to advise me
here’s the search template using colby
http://www.minorleaguesplits.com/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?fpl=colby&lpl=rasmus
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
that's cool
looks like you can still only do one search term for minorleaguesplits, though
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
Yeah.
I made one several years ago for minor league splits if you want it.
Guys like Bradley are exactly why we can't have a pumpkin patch anymore.
yeah
mainly i’d just like to see the code to see how it works
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
Here's the broken code
http://liam-moran.com/tools/minorleaguesplits.html
Guys like Bradley are exactly why we can't have a pumpkin patch anymore.
hey PJ do you know if this <a href=“http://labnol.blogspot.com/2006/09/learn-to-create-firefox-search-plugin.html >”hack"" works?
no idea
give it a shot!
i do know that there was a lot more code to it than that for the ones i did
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
that's just a shortcut to a google search
it seems likely to work pretty well with quotes:
“David Freese”
but might get you more results than you’d like without them:
David Freese
by brackenthebox on Mar 1, 2010 11:01 PM EST up reply actions
yeah I found if you use "'m feeling lucky" it might work, but I don't know how to set it up.
Joe mather example
http://google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&btnI=1&q=“joe mather” site:www.minorleaguesplits.com+%s
for some reason the whole link won’t work for me though, but you copy and paste url it will work.
Ozzie is on the air! 101
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
almost shit myself
when i got a mlbtr tweet sans context saying that “gaby hernandez” has been released
not knowing about this guy, i was pretty angry to find out that the cards had inexplicably released my low minors pet prospect
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
Is his first name really Grabiel
or is that a BR typo?
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Mar 1, 2010 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
That's correct
GRABIEL!
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
is that spanish for mike?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
So his nickname must be
Grabby?
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Mar 1, 2010 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
first rule of prospect appreciation: don't fall in love with someone based on performance in the DSL or VSL.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
today i'm discovering
that there are more women on this site than i thought
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I thought it was
tinstaapp?
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Mar 2, 2010 1:28 AM EST up reply actions
second rule of prospect appreciation
never release a 17yo SS with a .392 OBP.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
I know I missed the Smoltz discussion, but here are some interesting numbers.
ERA Last Year: 6.35
Underlying Performance Estimators
FIP: 3.87
xFIP: 3.84
SIERA: 3.48
ERA Projections* for 2010
Chone: 4.58
Marcel: 4.46
PECOTA: 5.05
*Chone and Pecota have him as a starter (at least primarily in Pecota’s case), and Marcel does not specify.
Personally I think if he’s healthy he puts up something close to his underlying FIP/xFIP/SIERA. The question, for me, is not concerning his performance, but rather how many innings he can put up and whether or not they will be enough to justify his contract.
"And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is ALBERT when I lay my vengeance upon thee." -The Bible
tRA
bos – 5.28
stl – 2.26
in’resting
and whoa anyone notice that fangraphs replaced tRA with tERA?
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
StL seems to give a good kick in the ass to players
Lopez (in ’08), Lugo, Holliday, Smoltz…. hmmm
I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 1, 2010 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
I suddenly feel like some pie.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
if i remember correctly
holliday’s best month by OPS was actually in oakland
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
They're just scaling it to ERA now instead of RA
Because more people are familiar with ERA generally speaking than RA.
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
I almost forgot, I've been waiting forever to break this out:
There once was a player named Floppy
Who, at short, was a little sloppy
But he played good two and three
And had a great OBP
For his utility, there’s no copy.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
by IHeartBoog on Mar 1, 2010 4:38 PM EST reply actions 19 recs
huh
5 recs, and no color change, wtf?
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Mar 1, 2010 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
6 required to go green. And I did it!
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This needs to die.
Forget it, spants. It's Chinatown. - tom s.
by spants on Mar 1, 2010 4:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
NEVER!
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
you can't be serious!!
/john mcenroe
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
you can't be 6!!
/john mcenroe on veb
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
i'm disappointed that none of you remember
it’s “cannot”
what were you, babies?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekQ_Ja02gTY
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
In 1981?
I was just a gleam in my dad’s eye
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
that explains it
watch some classics, it’s good for you
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I don't even think I was that.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
I was, uhhh....-6.
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I was a year out of college.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Mar 2, 2010 1:32 AM EST up reply actions
there
I made it double green
I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 1, 2010 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
i think the nickname needs to die, though
considering he was “flop” in dc, and it wasn’t a compliment
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
it can be a 2008 Felipe ode.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
We could call him
Ocho, as long as he’s wearing #8.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Mar 2, 2010 1:33 AM EST up reply actions
kinda funny
since after ocho would bat cinco…or not.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
probably
and the siete and then cuarenta y siete and then veintiocho
but who then?!
cuatro?
whatever freese’ number is?
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
i dunno
if freese is like a .270 20 HR kinda guy, i could see him being 7th aheaad of yadi
20 HR pop from 3-7 would be pretty cool
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
I've always hated that nickname
I like Flopez or Lopex
I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 1, 2010 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, that too
or maybe the Policy
I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 1, 2010 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
I like Flip Lopez
even though that’s what strauss calls him. but it makes me think of turning double plays.
i sort of came up with an alternative one using Flip and discussing how we don’t need skip anymore. but it was sad. this signing should be a happy occasion!
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
...I think I'm gonna go drive down to Parkview Field and shoot some pics.
…later y’all!
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it's all fun and games till someone gets drilled
Leach’s blog
fake blockquote
One of the more entertaining sessions of camp so far came on Field 6 this morning.
Kyle Lohse was throwing live batting practice to the heart of the order: Pujols, Matt Holliday, Ryan Ludwick and Colby Rasmus.
Early in the session, Pujols hit a chopper up the middle that likely would have gone for a soft single, and said quite audibly, “That’s how you hit .300.”
Lohse shot back a comparison of Pujols to Ichiro, which drew a threw laughs — but perhaps wasn’t forgotten. The next time Pujols came up, he drilled a home run to left field, though he didn’t say a thing this time.
In line after Pujols was Holliday, who took a strike early in his ‘at-bat.’ Lohse playfully asked, “How do you take that?” Holliday didn’t say a word, but answered with his bat — he scorched the next pitch up the middle, a very hard-hit line drive that quite surely was a base hit.
Holliday still said nothing, but now Adam Wainwright piped in: “It’s a new year, Kyle. Last year that would have hit you!”
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I do
but a longer chunk of text with black on dark gray — harder to read. loses the whole “highlighting a quote” function. the blockquote is there for citations, which I generally do. also the real blockquote and the fake blockquote are equally searchable on SBN.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
that cracked me up too
I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 1, 2010 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
poor Bubbles.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
over my head
I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 1, 2010 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
dang yo.
meme q&a as a stopgap…
oh look, it’s actually in today’s p-d
Looking to change his luck, Lohse once walked into the clubhouse with bubblewrap covering his various bruises and ailments.
there’s also audio on one of the radio shows. hence: Bubbles.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
ah
poor Lohse, I hope he can be like ’08. maybe the even years like him more than the odd
I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 1, 2010 6:57 PM EST up reply actions
Wheel of Time movie!
http://www.geekology.co.za/blog/2010/01/first-wheel-of-time-movie-possibly-released-in-2011/
I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 1, 2010 5:38 PM EST reply actions
really?
everyone done?
i was just joking about the bullet points, jeez
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
heh
I had to ride the CTA, now I am home. gotta do dishes though
I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 1, 2010 6:58 PM EST up reply actions
Did mine last night......
What does it say when there is one plate and the rest were beer glasses?
* is an Asshat
Also, Dave Concepcion.
it says awesome
I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 1, 2010 7:10 PM EST up reply actions
well, the gee-d does have Skip
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Skip is the number one reason the Man Stew can't be discounted
He did so much work with the coaches, the other infielders, and the pitchers.
After booting routine grounders in spring training and making some believe the switch would never be successful, Schumaker started to feel comfortable at second base around the All-Star break. He went from a well-below average defender to a dependable commodity.
The difference? He started having fun.
"I’d watch Brendan Ryan just have a blast out there and I was so serious and thinking about everything that could happen instead of just relaxing and playing the game and having fun with it," Schumaker said. "I think once you start having fun and not thinking, that’s when everything is starting to work.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
if Skip becomes a great defensive player
I will be so proud of him
I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 1, 2010 7:11 PM EST up reply actions
did you jump in the man stew and help him out?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Rangers looking for Infield help
Mentioned on MLBTR, and Julio Lugo was listed as one of the options. Anyone have a decent understanding of their system to see what we can get?
I think Neftali Feliz is a good starting point…. :)
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
fire up the van!
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
i wouldn't let him go
for anything short of feliz and andrus
also, pretty sure we posted the same thing at the same time
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
Ha!
I beat you by 1 minute.
Mwahahaha
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
the glare has special powers
I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 1, 2010 7:29 PM EST up reply actions
when are we getting an mlb.tv spring schedule?
my god
what am i gonna be able to watch? it’s three days away. figure it out
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
oh
i guess these are the games that are gonna be televised
http://stlouis.cardinals.mlb.com/schedule/index.jsp?c_id=stl&m=3&y=2010
so at least 9 games
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
I hear mlb network is going to have almost 80 games this spring
I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 1, 2010 8:09 PM EST up reply actions
My apologies if this was discussed somewhere above....
but MLB Traderumors is reporting that the Rangers are looking for infield depth and that Julio Lugo makes some sense.
Any one familiar with the Rangers’ relief corps/minor league arms? I am wondering here if they have an “intriguing” arm to match up with us on a trade. This seems to make some sense…..
his name
is neftali feliz
someone photoshop tits on feliz, plz
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
neftali!
I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 1, 2010 8:11 PM EST up reply actions
is Lugo a Ranger yet?
I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 1, 2010 8:10 PM EST reply actions
go go power mo?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
my Viva El League team is going to be dated pretty fast if this happens
but The Glare will live forever
I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 1, 2010 8:21 PM EST up reply actions
more middle infield
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
ahh
I’m getting TLRish with all the Young Hitters
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
caption contest
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
"Who da man?"
“You da man, Jose”
I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 1, 2010 8:24 PM EST up reply actions
he's also a secret weapon
I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 1, 2010 8:25 PM EST up reply actions
"yo beard is weird, SW. yo stache is trash"
“yeah, why don’t you suck on this, brendan?”
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
maybe joe strauss added sound effects to be controversial?
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
It's okay.
He’s still very young. Besides, his swing will be nearly flawless.
Forget it, spants. It's Chinatown. - tom s.
Why's AJ drillin' his dad in the junk?!
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did he perhaps
eliminate it?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Ryan: Seriously top it, Jose, you're scaring me.
Oquendo: I’m telling you Brendan, once you stop playing you’re gonna get fat, like me. It even happens to scrappy infielders, there’s no escaping it.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
hey, run your own caption contest, buddy
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
... and then there was this one girl in LA, Brendan.
She was fiiiiiiine.
I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.
by The Continental on Mar 1, 2010 9:08 PM EST up reply actions
the more I look at it
the more it fits
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
ooh photo day
http://stlcardinals.scout.com/2/950255.html
AAAAHHHH they’re scary.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
what the hell is tyler greene doing?
"I think he's the best hitter of all time. I think there has never been a better hitter than him. And I know I didn't see them all, but I just don't think there could be." - Adam Wainwright on The Mang
I wish the photog would give better directions
this is mostly his fault
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
so like colby.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
very awkward
I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 1, 2010 8:36 PM EST up reply actions
he's got diaper duty in five minutes
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
his bill is too flat
I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 1, 2010 8:37 PM EST up reply actions
someone needs to tell Colby this isn't the 18-freakin-hundreds
you can smile in pictures nowadays
dangolphotgrahpersaiditwasadingodangoldaguerreotype
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
hey matty
I noticed last night that we joined VEB on the same day, march 23rd 2008
high five
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 1, 2010 9:10 PM EST up reply actions
I think that is when SB Nation did the transfer
I am pretty sure I suffered through part of 07, I think you did too, but….HIGH FIVE
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
I think I started in march '08
I remember briefly the old format, they changed it right after I joined pretty much
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 1, 2010 9:16 PM EST up reply actions
6/23/07 for matty.....
look at his blog membership. I think the new format rollout was 3/15/8….the day I joined. We talked about this during the season last year when discussing UID’s, but I can’t find it.
* is an Asshat
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I sorta went awol last season
missed a bunch of stuff
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 1, 2010 9:37 PM EST up reply actions
hoping like hell he makes the team
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 1, 2010 8:32 PM EST up reply actions
but yeah
that pic is a freakin intense… maybe he is trying to impersonate the Glare. the first 3 pics look like Luddy, Boog, and Skip are trying to look cute or something
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 1, 2010 8:34 PM EST up reply actions
He thought it was a picture shoot for the tryouts of
by FlimtotheFlam on Mar 1, 2010 10:10 PM EST up reply actions
Should I rec something that's sure to devour my soul?
Hmm.
I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.
by The Continental on Mar 2, 2010 12:35 AM EST up reply actions
has he been hanging out with maryanne from true blood?
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 2, 2010 12:37 AM EST up reply actions
i think they do it in batches?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
better yet
can we read into which side floppy took his pic from?
swinging from the right side…interesting….wait. this can only mean one thing! right…like right wing. like conservative! no! mo is not going to spend anymore money and this is his way of telling the fans no smoltz. =(
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
he is
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 1, 2010 8:46 PM EST up reply actions
that's why he's always laughing
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
LOL
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 1, 2010 8:46 PM EST up reply actions
Boog isn't cut out for "steely glare".
I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.
by The Continental on Mar 1, 2010 9:12 PM EST up reply actions
he definitely doesn't look very happy
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 1, 2010 8:50 PM EST up reply actions
flu-like symptoms.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
this was taken after he found out that Creed is one of the lamest bands in the world
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 1, 2010 8:50 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
so it's a sadface
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I guess money doesn't buy happiness?
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 1, 2010 8:51 PM EST up reply actions
best of creed, on the other hand...
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I was trying to think of any of their songs to make a joke
but all I can think of is a bad eddie vedder impersonation
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 1, 2010 8:54 PM EST up reply actions
can you take me higher
i don’t know the name, but i know the song
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
Scott Stapp
sounds like a gravelly, male version of Cher.
Forget it, spants. It's Chinatown. - tom s.
so..... drag queen?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
for some reason this always cracks me up
http://www.billboard.com/news/311-brawls-with-scott-stapp-in-baltimore-1001612951.story#/news/311-brawls-with-scott-stapp-in-baltimore-1001612951.story
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 1, 2010 8:58 PM EST up reply actions
sunuva
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/8901746/scott_stapp_and_311_brawl
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 1, 2010 8:58 PM EST up reply actions
When I think of Creed
You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all.
-- Earl Weaver
by Smokin Turkeys on Mar 1, 2010 9:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think of Scott Stapp singing God Bless America during the 04 World Series
And not finishing off the word “foam”. “To the OCEANS WHITE WITH FOOOOOOOOO”
Not afraid to nitpick
just came back from a spurs-hornets game
they put the words to national anthem on the scoreboard, but words like “watched” were spelled “watch’d” – is that normal, or do they think these are contractions in new orleans?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
i think that is how the song's lyrics were originally spelled
back in the 1800s when it was first written. i think.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
O'er is generally used instead of over,
but that’s the only oddish contraction used that I know of.
I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.
by The Continental on Mar 2, 2010 12:01 AM EST up reply actions
I haven't laughed that hard in like a month
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 1, 2010 9:18 PM EST up reply actions
that is some funny shit
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 1, 2010 9:19 PM EST up reply actions
me and my roommates sing every song we think of randomly throughout the day
in an Eddie Vedder/Scott Stapp voice
Creed songs in Eddie Vedder voice are a favorite
"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."
/Downs Franklins
I think the reason Creed got such a terrible rap was because of Stapp...
….Mark Tremonti, Scott Phillips, and Brian Marshall, however, played some DAMN solid music. Specifically, I loved the way Tremonti played guitar. And it’s for the music, that I can safely say I, too, was a Creed fan. Then again, the reason I’m a fan of certain bands over others is because of the music, not the vocals or lyrical content.
Also, Alter Bridge was a pretty good side project that Tremonti and Creed-sans-Stapp put together.
Note: Above comment may contain gratuitous amounts of sarcasm.
BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS
i think they got a terrible rap because of their music
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Mar 2, 2010 12:35 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I heartily endorse this statement.
We all have ways of coping. I use sex and awesomeness.
by the red baron on Mar 2, 2010 12:37 AM EST up reply actions
yeah
they just suck all around
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 2, 2010 12:37 AM EST up reply actions
although
at least they can play instruments and don’t do vocal loops over a 4/4 beat over and over, as much of pop music seems to me lately
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 2, 2010 12:38 AM EST up reply actions
Are you referring to the CD that had "With Arms Wide Open"
and “Higher”? Human Clay was commercial and just miserable. They failed to follow up anything with Weathered.
My Own Prison was far and away their best CD, and their first… It was downhill from there. But I still enjoy the earlier songs.
Note: Above comment may contain gratuitous amounts of sarcasm.
BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS
Luddy with the "Oh no you didn't!" look

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
yeah, the posture makes no sense
bad photographer directions
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Lopez looks like he wants to be a jedi.
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
maybe this is his year
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 1, 2010 9:31 PM EST up reply actions
Best bunt ever.
Just cut the ball in half. Yadi would probably be the only catcher to make that play.
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
I heard his mitochlorion count was running a little high this year
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by jd is legend on Mar 1, 2010 10:06 PM EST up reply actions
nerd fail
too much biology for you sir
by brackenthebox on Mar 1, 2010 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
you can never have too much biology
ifyouknowwhatIamsayin’
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
skip looks hot
matt holliday’s head has never looked more square.
ludwick reminds me of when i try to take a picture of my cat and she sticks her face in my camera.
colby LITERALLY looks like he’s wasting away.
felipe looks kind of sexy..yes?
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
A Cardinals jersey would make the Elephant man look sexy
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by jd is legend on Mar 1, 2010 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
Jack Wilson came up in our system...
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
A Cardinals jersey would at least make him a little easier on the eyes
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by jd is legend on Mar 1, 2010 10:19 PM EST up reply actions
Yes he does look like kind of sexy.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
okay, fine.
i see the resemblance. but the difference is that skip is hot and spilborghs really is not.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
I mean there is a resemblance.
But Skip has a better jawline and hotter eyes. And is just hot.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
How can you possibly claim to know the location of Spilborghs' jawline from that picture?
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
gps
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
full circle!
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
That's why Skip's is better.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
I was referring to Felipe and no Skip does not look like that man.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
Spilborghs kinda looks like Jason Lee there
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Mar 2, 2010 12:08 AM EST up reply actions
But Jason Lee is probably closer
In fact, it’s a little creepy
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
how many innings does he need at SS to qualify for the all hot team?
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
He sincerely looks like he has a few extra chromosomes in that picture
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by jd is legend on Mar 1, 2010 10:19 PM EST up reply actions
he's a slack jawed yokel
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 1, 2010 10:20 PM EST up reply actions
Some folk'll never have a name that's rhymin' with chiasmus
’Cept Colby, the slack-jawed Rasmus
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Mar 1, 2010 10:24 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
hopefully he's a baseball mutant and will start breaking every record in the books
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 1, 2010 10:20 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah he didn't do us any favors with that pic did he
I guess he’ll have to make up for it by jacking 30 dongs, getting on base at a .375 clip, and playing Willie Mays-style defense
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by jd is legend on Mar 1, 2010 10:21 PM EST up reply actions
Now I'm curious as to who would be considered the 2nd best CF in AL history
After briefly scouring this incomplete list, no name jumps out at me. Of course, I don’t know 60-70% of those players. And Colby’s not even mentioned!
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by jd is legend on Mar 1, 2010 10:28 PM EST up reply actions
Then who do you think is the best in Alabama history?
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by jd is legend on Mar 1, 2010 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
Not sure I would call him a CF'er
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by jd is legend on Mar 1, 2010 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
If the question is about Alabama sports,
by Mister Eff on Mar 1, 2010 10:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree
But the question was about Alabama CF’ers. I went to Bo Jackson’s f’ing school! I talked in his direction one time! Don’t lecture me about Bo Jackson! Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!
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by jd is legend on Mar 1, 2010 10:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
BO JACKSON AND I BOTH ENJOY WEARING 100% COTTON SHIRTS
WE ARE PRACTICALLY BROTHERS!
by Mister Eff on Mar 1, 2010 10:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Not being on that list is probably better
then being on this one
by brackenthebox on Mar 1, 2010 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
when is first spring training game?
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 1, 2010 8:40 PM EST reply actions
Thursday
liam went and made a nice schedule with gameday links here.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
does one need to purchase mlb.tv for march to watch them?
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 1, 2010 8:46 PM EST up reply actions
dammit
I need to get cable.
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 1, 2010 8:48 PM EST up reply actions
HI TEAM IN THE TRUCK
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
this is the first quote of Boog's that sounds like him
The rest of them sound like lawyer-Mo talk. Even the hamburger anatomy quote.
After the work, Ryan was all smiles.
“I didn’t know what was going to happen,” he said. “I didn’t know. It was good.”
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
so I am getting caught up on watching Dexter
almost done with season 2… hey spants, which character was it that you said was the most annoying character in tv history? I can’t figure out if it’s Rita’s mom or that english freak
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 1, 2010 9:06 PM EST reply actions
btw I have 2 episodes left to watch....
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 1, 2010 9:07 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think I said that.
But the English freak is the one.
Forget it, spants. It's Chinatown. - tom s.
oh
musta been someone else, there were several of us talking about dexter. I dunno, rita’s mom is pretty damn annoying though
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 1, 2010 9:11 PM EST up reply actions
I said it
yeah, it’s Lyla.
“Oh, paaaaardon my tits”
Fuck off.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Mar 2, 2010 7:11 AM EST up reply actions
she's all conniving and shit though
she freakin framed Angel! I’m pissed
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 1, 2010 9:28 PM EST up reply actions
what's really creeping me out about season 2 though
is dexter’s sister sleeping with the fbi agent. blech
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 1, 2010 9:30 PM EST up reply actions
Or the fact that Dexter and his sister are married in real life?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
weird!
didn’t know that, huh
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 1, 2010 9:46 PM EST up reply actions
I quite like that sub-plot
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Mar 2, 2010 7:12 AM EST up reply actions
I wasn't the one who said it!
It was a guy who said it, btw.
Forget it, spants. It's Chinatown. - tom s.
this guy
boo-yah!
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Mar 2, 2010 7:12 AM EST up reply actions
ok. I can't remember season 2 BUT
if he’s dating Rita (I think that’s her name, the woman with 2 kids) for god’s sake catch the last 2 episodes of Desperate Housewives.
Sometimes I’m just being nice about watching TV wtih my wife, sometimes it’s about the hotties and the odd lesbian joke.
Rita is quite hot
which is very odd for me to say, since that’s my mom’s name.
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 1, 2010 9:14 PM EST up reply actions
I haven't seen any episodes of Dexter
tho my wife has watched the first 2 seasons on Netflix online, but yeah, Julie Benz (Rita) is very hot. I remember her as Darla from “Buffy” and “Angel”.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Mar 2, 2010 2:05 AM EST up reply actions
still haven't watched that show yet
I am not going to either, just to annoy people who watch it. no offense, flim, heh
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 1, 2010 10:15 PM EST up reply actions
huh
this is weird http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20100222&content_id=8113864
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 1, 2010 9:09 PM EST reply actions
Wow. I had no idea.
It will be interesting to see what happens, though.
Forget it, spants. It's Chinatown. - tom s.
yeah
it’s weird that he might go into the military after his mlb career is over…
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 1, 2010 9:11 PM EST up reply actions
unless he wins a gold medal, wth
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 1, 2010 9:12 PM EST up reply actions
Only Choo can go all the way.
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
The Korean military Choo Choo Chooses him
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by jd is legend on Mar 1, 2010 9:47 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
luckily he is not from North Korea
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 1, 2010 9:47 PM EST up reply actions
Ralph Wiggum is on Twitter now:
http://twitter.com/ralphwiggum
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
I did not know Twitter was around in 2007
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by jd is legend on Mar 1, 2010 10:22 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know what it says about me that
I was a relatively early adopter.
Forget it, spants. It's Chinatown. - tom s.
I signed up for it really early
then didn’t use it until recently. I did the same thing with myspace back in the day
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 1, 2010 10:26 PM EST up reply actions
when looking back on my life
Twitter will mark the start of my get-off-my-lawn decline into technological confusion
by brackenthebox on Mar 1, 2010 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
My cat's breath smells like cat food.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Hi Super Nintendo Chalmers!
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by jd is legend on Mar 1, 2010 10:29 PM EST up reply actions
join the club
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 1, 2010 10:21 PM EST up reply actions
I know CGirl has brought it up before.
She’s pretty bummed about it.
My guess is that he tries to become a citizen.
I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.
by The Continental on Mar 1, 2010 9:17 PM EST up reply actions
I don't get it
do all south korean males have to go through military service?
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 1, 2010 9:28 PM EST up reply actions
we have a Korean VEBer here
Paging Korean VEBer
by FlimtotheFlam on Mar 1, 2010 10:13 PM EST up reply actions
on a related tangent
Korean bbq is some of my favorite food ever
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 1, 2010 10:15 PM EST up reply actions
michael jordan doesn't like it
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
too bad for him
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 2, 2010 12:10 AM EST up reply actions
too bad for charlie sheen
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I think Manny Acta implied once that he was already going through the process of becoming a citizen.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
wagner mateo is still unsigned?
i thought the twins or something signed him
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
nope
everyone is seeing problems with his vision…. even though he isn’t. heh.
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 1, 2010 9:29 PM EST up reply actions
The Giants were rumored to sign him
but it didn’t go through for some reason. Any chance we sign him for less money or is that somewhat illegal after the contract dispute?
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
I don't think it's illegal
the first contract was voided due to a failed physical. They can sign another one. But there may be some bad blood.
is there a knife fight?
with singing?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Not to be redundant (because I already posted a fanshot), but....
I had a post regarding this topic here: Flip VS Boog at SS
yeah
not surprising… I wonder though, how he would stack up against skip at 2B or Freese at 3B. that, however, would be exceedingly difficult to quantify
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 1, 2010 10:06 PM EST up reply actions
hey, bj rains
i don’t care about the fact that you are watching wwe raw and really enjoying it. stop. now.
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
So who's watching Jay Leno tonight?!?!?!!!!
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
ewh
Leno
I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 1, 2010 11:21 PM EST up reply actions
After his prime time show was responsible for the cancellation of Life
I will never watch Leno again. Not that I did much before, but never again.
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Mar 2, 2010 12:21 AM EST up reply actions
This comment is funnier
if you don’t know there’s a show called Life. Strangely, though, it still feels accurate.
We all have ways of coping. I use sex and awesomeness.
by the red baron on Mar 2, 2010 12:28 AM EST up reply actions
I don't know what happened here
but it sure sounds funny
I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 2, 2010 12:36 AM EST up reply actions
Seriously.
If anything were to ever be found responsible for the cancellation of life, don’t you think Jay Leno would probably have at least a hand in it?
We all have ways of coping. I use sex and awesomeness.
by the red baron on Mar 2, 2010 12:37 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I think he has his finger on the button as we speak
I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 2, 2010 12:39 AM EST up reply actions
that's the only explanation
I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 2, 2010 12:41 AM EST up reply actions
I disagree.
I think giving him back his show was simply the fulfillment of a 2,000 year old prophecy.
We all have ways of coping. I use sex and awesomeness.
by the red baron on Mar 2, 2010 12:41 AM EST up reply actions
his chin did it
I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 2, 2010 12:54 AM EST up reply actions
one chin to bring them all and in the darkness bind them
by peach concrete on Mar 2, 2010 12:58 AM EST up reply actions 6 recs
LOL!
I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 2, 2010 12:59 AM EST up reply actions
well, you probably are capable of doing so, but I'm not sure what message you would be sending
’tis complicated when you appreciate the post but disagree with the sentiment. it requires a +1/2 or something like that
by peach concrete on Mar 2, 2010 1:03 AM EST up reply actions
I recommended it because it was funny
I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 2, 2010 1:04 AM EST up reply actions
well you could wait till midnight
or whenever the new post-dispatch goes online with a Carpenter article.
what’s that I hear… unicorns, perhaps….
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I heard carp added a knuckleball to his arsenal.
of course a unicorn didn’t whisper it into my ears so the validity is in question, that or I made it up.
despite my signature about frankie
I am more optimistic going into this season than any I can remember for at least 5 years
I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 2, 2010 1:00 AM EST reply actions
heh
I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 2, 2010 1:05 AM EST up reply actions
Here's a small grouping of the photos I took earlier today...
by vexedtechie on Mar 2, 2010 1:29 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
They have a nice stadium there.
Hammond’s Field in Springfield is nice, but Parkview looks even better. Looks to be in a nicer setting too.
Excellent pics, vexed. Thanks for sharing.
The Tincaps? Heh. They used to be the Wizards, right?
I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.
by The Continental on Mar 2, 2010 1:50 AM EST up reply actions
Used to be; renamed last year with the new stadium
Ended up winning the MidWest League with a record of 94-46
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BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS
nice
used to be a twins farm, right? is it still, or what affiliation?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Used to be Twins, yeah; now with the Padres.
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BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS
I like,
but you should run a high pass over those. Your camera has some fringing going on, and the high pass will really make your focal points pop.
Incorrigible.
Thank you; I've got a Konica Minolta Dimage Z6...
…nothin’ special, but I’m definitely saving up for a decent camera. They say the camera doesn’t make the photographer, but it surely doesn’t hurt.
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BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS
Never been huge on the post-processing...
Usually just limited to levels and cropping (and stitching to get the panoramics)
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If you're getting a better point-and-shoot,
I’d recommend a Canon with IS. Good little buggers.
Incorrigible.
I'm shootin' for a DSLR in a while
I never carry my camera unless I’m certain I want to take a lot of photos. Point and shoot isn’t really my cup’o’tea
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BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS
I've got a nikon d40
If you go the DSLR route, I’d really recommend you get a low-end model and go for the best lens(es) you can afford, as opposed to vice-versa. Getting a really good multi-purpose lens is a good investment; I got an 18-50mm and a 50-300mm with mine, when I really should’ve just spent more to get an 18-300, and then added any specialised ones later.
I really want a fisheye lens but I don’t think I can justify spending £500 on basically a novelty toy…
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Mar 2, 2010 7:24 AM EST up reply actions
On an even lower resolution note, I found my Game Boy Camera the other day
It’s as awesome as I remembered.
by DanUpBaby on Mar 2, 2010 2:17 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
not really politics
but the missouri senate voted unanimously to rename big mac hwy mark twain hwy?
and john smoltz has been approached to run for a senate seat being vacated…this summer?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
the main thing is he's dead
i believe it’s part of the resolution, to name stuff only after dead people in the future so you don’t end up having to rename it later if somebody screws up.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Wasn't it the Mark Twain Highway
before they renamed it the first time?
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
that would seem odd
there are apparently so many strips of highway to name, and so many dead people – unless rumors of his death were exaggerated?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
theres lots of highways the politicians could have named after Mark Twain
OTOH, there’s only one highway named after 70 dingers.
They could call it the pi = 4 highway, if they wanted, but to me it’ll always be I-70.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
wow
i never made the connection
i-70 because he hit 70 HRs
that’s clever
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
Oh I see what you did there.
(Insert Your Own Joke)
by AWolfAtTheDoor on Mar 2, 2010 2:26 AM EST up reply actions
Oh I meant that at whoever came up with the idea.
I had to have someone point that out to me too.
(Insert Your Own Joke)
by AWolfAtTheDoor on Mar 2, 2010 2:34 AM EST up reply actions
Don't move to Chicago...
we refuse to call them by the number. It gets very frustrating. I like how it’s done in LA… The 5, The 10, The 101. Much better than The Kennedy, The Ike, The Tri-State… stupid really stupid…
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
actually it's awful in LA
You have the Harbor freeway (which harbor? wtf direction does it even go? oh, both? sweet!), the santa ana freeway (I-5), the golden state freeway (I-5), the san diego freeway (I-5), the san diego freeway (I-405, confused yet?), the santa monica freeway (I-10), the San Bernardino freeway (I-10), the San Bernardino freeway (I-215), etc. Not to mention the pacific coast highway, which is about 17 different highways over 50 miles, etc.
and that’s just stream of consciousness, there’s probably a dozen more silly contradictions. There’s a reason why traffic gets backed up all the way to phoenix on thursday afternoons.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
His point is that nobody actually calls them by name
We just say “The 10 East” or “The 101 North”
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Yep that's what I was going for.
The traffic reports here are given in Ike, Kennedy, etc form… I pity outsiders who hear one and try to figure out what’s going on. Granted traffic reports are stupid and should just be abolished anyways, but still.
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
but the exits say "santa ana freeway",
while the maps say “I-5” with the cool red, white and blue “insterstate x” sign. It’s shockingly hard to navigate if you don’t actually know where santa ana is, or san bernardino, etc.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
Yeah, but driving the highways in LA is another story
I literally never know what time I’m going to get somewhere
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
It isn't even 70
it’s just a tiny stretch of 70 that goes through downtown. It’s all ceremonial anyway. No one in St Louis ever referred to “The Mark McGwire Highway” outside of the naming of it. No one will call it “The Mark Twain Highway” either.
I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.
by The Continental on Mar 2, 2010 2:32 AM EST up reply actions

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