the other other st. louis ballclub.
not the browns, not some antecedent of a major league team like the perfectos. the st. louis stars played from 1922 to 1931: throughout that time, one of the greatest baseball players ever, james "cool papa" bell played centerfield for the stars. and yet i wouldn't have been able to identify him or tell you much of anything about him until a week or so ago when i got the idea to do a series on the negro leagues and their role in st. louis baseball.
the history of the negro leagues and african-american baseball playerss before jackie robinson is fascinating and complex. the more i've read the more i am intrigued by this part of baseball history.
i'm not sure why we don't know more about the negro leagues than we do. i suppose part of it is that we lack the continuity of history, so when the post-dispatch asks who was the greatest second baseman of all time for the cardinals, the stars players aren't included in the question; not because anyone there is a flaming racist, but just because there is no continuity between the two clubs. another factor is the age of the negro leagues. on a related point, the lifeblood of appreciating historical baseball - statistics - is hard to approach for the negro leagues. rigorous statistics were not kept. most records come from daily box scores in newspapers of the times. no cumulative statistics were followed. in addition, the play of the league was irregular; exhibition games, games made up with patchwork squads taken from several teams, interracial games playing a white team or a collection of white stars from several major league teams made tracking statistics and determining what games "counted" a real challenge. even what stats we have are hard to compare to those of major leaguers.
another factor is that within a few years of jackie robinson's appearance, the negro leagues had declined to the point of near-irrelevance. when we talk about great players from the history of the negro leagues, we are mostly talking about players from the 20's and 30's. even major leaguers of that era don't fare so well in the collective memory. ronnie belliard is more likely to come to mind as a cardinal second baseman than rogers hornsby for most fans.
and, yes, i think the era of segregation, in baseball and the nation as a whole, is one that many baseball fans are just as happy to forget. it's hard to appreciate bullet rogan or oscar charleston without thinking at the same time about what was lost, what we missed out on. i can't read the history of the negro leagues and not wish i could have seen bullet rogan pitch to ty cobb or lou gehrig. of course, i've never really seen lou gehrig pitched to by anybody. what i mean is that the glory of the league and all its amazing athletes feel so bittersweet. the better they were the more you wish things had been different. it's easier to take your baseball history without the bitter aftertaste.
james "cool papa" bell was among the greatest ball players in history. i was shocked to learn that he began his career, in fact, as a knuckleball pitcher. he allegedly gained his name because he learned as a rookie while on a train that he was scheduled to pitch against the feared chicago american giants the next day. he was so nonplussed his teammates commented that that was one "cool papa" who could show no fear about pitching to the best team in the league.
one example of this forgotten history of the negro leagues was recalled to me in thinking of the response to rick ankiel's transition to the outfield. i can't tell you how many times i read that he was the first since babe ruth to do this. well, technically, no; cool papa bell transitioned in 1922 (3 years after ruth) from an apparently decent knuckler to one of the best outfielders in history. googling "rick ankiel" "babe ruth" gives you 25,000 hits, including a wikipedia entry indicating that rick ankiel was the first since babe ruth to make the P->OF transition. googling "rick ankiel" "cool papa" gets you 1500 hits.
truth is google, and google truth, and that is all you need know.
back to cool papa bell. bell's calling card was speed. a number of probably apocryphal stories exist about bell's speed. instead, take this story from the 1925 playoffs. in game 1 against the kansas city monarchs -- kansas city's best baseball team sure hasn't been the royals and it may not have been the a's either; the monarchs were a perennial negro league powerhouse -- bell hit a grounder to short which he beat out with his ridiculous speed. he went to second on another player's groundout, took third on a wild pitch, and scored on a hit. the next night, he grounded to short again and beat the throw again, stole second and third, then scored on a single. in short, the man was so exciting he makes jose reyes look like a tax attorney. he was among the best baserunners of all time. throughout his career with st. louis, he made the top three or four in his league in stolen bases most seasons.
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apologies for the jumping around, but i wanted to get initial stuff and a st. louis hook out of the way. the early history of african american ballplayers is fascinating.
the first game of baseball recorded with the names of african - americans in the lineup came on july 4th, 1859 in beautifiul Jamaica, NY. the african american squad lost 54-43.
the first african american to play major league baseball is NOT jackie robinson. fleet walker graduated from oberlin college, got his law degee from Michigan, then joined the Toledo Blue Sox in the american association. after racial confict within the league, african-american players dropped out of their major league assignments. not for another sixty years would an african-american share a big league uniform with white players.
[i really was falling asleep in editing this entry last night. i will not try to re-edit it now, but i did fail to properly cite my sources: john holway's "the complete book of baseball's negro leagues" (2001) was a useful resource in understanding the history of african americans in baseball. i have another book i am reading now (sol white's "history of colored baseball") and will try to track down a copy of "only the ball was white" for future posts.]
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tax attorney
“he makes jose reyes look like a tax attorney”
As a tax attorney, I swap it out for actuary (my brother-in-law’s profession) when searching for a profession to slander.
cool papa bell
was he nonplussed, tom?
look forward to further installments.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Great write up Tom......
that 54-43 game back in ’59 was quite the barn-burner.
* is an Asshat
Also, Dave Concepcion.
talk about a football score for a game...
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
F that
Most Big Ten bball games don’t get that high
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
This year hasn't been as bad
Sorry we can’t all go to the powerhouse of basketball that Auburn is…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
Ahaha
Bashing the SEC ftw!
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In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
Found out today we have a winning record all-time in the Big Dance!
Haven’t been there in seven years, but what the hey?!
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
Tournaments from the 40s don't count...
All the good teams went to the NIT back then…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
No 1940s tourneys counted
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/tournament/history?team1Id=5273
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
I see
granted now I had to go and look at the 05 run and get really pissed off at Ed Hightower again… We lost by 5 to a team that had Sean May’s magical elbow pad which prevented him putting his elbow and pushing guys out of the way to be called a foul, and in fact drew numerous fouls. I’m going to go cry for awhile now. Wait I’m going to go watch State run up and down the floor on us… The hits just keep comin folks.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
Quick
can someone tell me what’s wrong here? Free rec to whoever gets it…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
are they still counting the vacated appearances
by the fabs?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Feb 6, 2010 9:32 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
That they are...
the NCAA is gonna be piiiiiissed when they see that… It’s like ESPN is openly mocking the sanctions that mocked the NCAA…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
a man of your word
see i got me a rec.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
That was a good story and an interesting read
I have looked for Stars merchandise online, and it’s pretty tough to find good stuff, sadly. For some teams (notably the Monarchs) there is some good hats and jerseys, but not as much for the Stars, sadly.
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Because the statistics are so shady, most of what I know about the negro leagues are stories about Satchel Paige. Also, nice observation about the Monarchs being the best ever KC team.
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"I like the one about the alienated character who finds the socially unacceptable way of coping with modernity."
Not to get too deep...
…but how much of the rest of American history was lost because of segregation? Thanks for sharing this. Maybe I’ll just send a little contribution to the Negro League Museum now.
negro league museum
read somewhere that there is a movement to move it – cooperstown, i think.
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what does that school up north
have to do with anything?
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
I took a class on segregation in baseball
So many famous black players, like Josh Gibson, would have been HoF in MLB had they been allowed to play, but most commissioners were extremely racist, like Kennesaw Landis, who threatened action against owners that even wanted black men on their teams.
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
Can you imagine Ty Cobb
playing against black players? I shudder when I think of Ty Cobb sliding into second against Jackie Robinson.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
Yikes
That would be one hell of a slide.
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
Jackie would have slam-tagged him in the face
If they had played at the same time and there wasn’t a standing order for Jackie to not get in trouble. Robinson was a proud and strong individual and wouldn’t have put up with that kind of stuff.
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I agree
Robinson wasn’t up for taking any crap off anyone. He only did so because of Rickey that first year. I’d put my money on Robinson if this ficticious scenario had come to blows.
by WizardofOz1982 on Feb 9, 2010 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
I can understand that, but the stories you hear of Ty Cobb
That dude wasNOT stable mentally. He was so paranoid that he threw maids down the stairs, grabbed his wife’s throat, and stabbed a guy to death trying to kill him. Oh, and he beat up a crippled fan.
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
Not necessarily disagreeing
but if you listen to teammates of Cobb’s, like Sam Crawford, talk Cobb wasn’t as bad as he was portrayed to be. As he got older he matured and became a much better person who ended up living in the shadow of his actions as a young man. I agree Cobb was still an asshole with a bad temper but I’m not sure he’s the homicidal maniac that a lot of people make him out to be.
by WizardofOz1982 on Feb 10, 2010 9:31 AM EST up reply actions
He would have gotten over it.
Just like the rest of the country did.
The St. Louis Cardinals- 11 time World Champions!
That museum
is a great place. Highly recommended for anyone passing through KC.
Guys like Bradley are exactly why we can't have a pumpkin patch anymore.
Great idea, tom
The offseason has a nasty habit of getting stale, so this series is a great idea IMO. It boggles my mind we had idiots like Al Campanis saying in the late 1980’s that African-Americans did not “have some of the necessities to be, let’s say, a field manager, or, perhaps, a general manager,” because they had been doing exactly that for decades before Jackie Robinson’s debut.
The Negro Leagues were a truly remarkable set of institutions, and if you’ve never been to the museum in KC you simply must. The center of the museum is a field that is blocked off by exhibits, so you have to walk through the exhibits and “go through the Negro Leagues” before you get a chance to step onto the field. It symbolizes the struggle of those guys who just wanted a shot to play the game they loved. It’s really quite neat, though sadly there have been some serious issues there of late.
One more thing… the fact that Buck O’Neill is not in the MLB Hall of Fame is an absolute crying shame and should be a standing embarrassment to anyone associated with that institution. The man was a good player, a good coach and scout, and probably the greatest ambassador the game has ever had. I really don’t know what you have to do beyond that to make it in. That building means nothing to me as long as he’s out of it.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Feb 6, 2010 11:50 AM EST reply actions
If you haven't read it
“The Soul of Baseball-A Road Trip Through Buck “O’Neils’ America” by Joe Posnanski is a great read. That’s were I learned about Cool Papa Bell.
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by RosevilleRedbird on Feb 6, 2010 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
thanks for the pointer. i am looking for more sources for future posts.
joe poz is worth reading in any format on any topic.
"It doesn't have to be terribly prolific! Just so that it isn't childish and silly." She reflected. "I prefer stories about squalor." J.D.S.
I'm in the middle of
“Josh Gibson” by William Brashler. Excellent book.
Guys like Bradley are exactly why we can't have a pumpkin patch anymore.
Sorta related
But I always like to plug “Pitching around Fidel” when discussing unfortunately esoteric baseball subjects.
I learned a lot from that book.
Guys like Bradley are exactly why we can't have a pumpkin patch anymore.
by liam on Feb 6, 2010 11:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
what's it about?
i think fidel = castro, but can you tell me something.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Yep
It’s about Cuban sports after Castro: a lot of baseball, but boxing, track and field, etc..
Guys like Bradley are exactly why we can't have a pumpkin patch anymore.
Slightly OT
Finally a realistic job for us in the MLB
You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all.
-- Earl Weaver
Thanks for getting my hopes up
then crushing them
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
why am i not surprised
this sounds so rinky-dink: you must be between 6’ – 6’4" in order to fit the costume. i mean, how much can a mascot costume cost?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Ask a furrie.
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by RiverRat on Feb 6, 2010 12:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Anyone else catch this?
REQUIREMENTS:
• Must be at least 18 years old
• Must be at least a high school graduate (college degree preferred)
• Must have at least two years experience as a mascot at the college or professional level
• Must be a creative performer
• Must possessa basic knowledge of Major League Baseballbetter roster construction skills than our actual GM
• Ability to support & grow the Mascot Character/Program
• Must be 6’-6’4" tall in order to fit costume properly
• Must provide a DVD or link to view a video highlight & photo while performing
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Feb 6, 2010 12:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Who would leave another professional team to work for the Royals?
"They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time."
I would bet that it would be more fun to be the Royals' mascot
than it would be to be the Marlins’.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
but i thought the marlins had cheerleaders
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Least at the Royals stadium
There’s nobody there, so you don’t have to do anything!
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
The Marlins pack the house?
Guys like Bradley are exactly why we can't have a pumpkin patch anymore.
Least they are competive
and have a new stadium coming.
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
Yay government subsidies for billionaires that do almost nothing to help the city!
Not afraid to nitpick
Huzzah!
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
Someone who enjoys barbeque and fountains?
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
If someone hit me over the head many, many times, so that
my head would permanently swell by an inch, and so my brains were scrambled enough that the thought of being a Royals mascot would actually sound appealing, I’d consider it. Hey, you get to go to the ballpark for every home game, and you get paid!
Time for a new sig.
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 6, 2010 5:50 PM EST up reply actions
The perks
I’ll only have to with a hand full of people
I get to see the Cards for at least three games a year, and on the same field none the less.
Once I prove my knowledge of baseball, I’ll take Moore’s job.
knowledge of baseball
disqualifies one from the Royals GM candidacy pool, no?
* is an Asshat
Also, Dave Concepcion.
i know Busch Stadium is hiring beer vendors
by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 6, 2010 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
Wouldn't that be somewhat torturous?
The temptation would be overwhelming to intake your product.
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
The Royals of course!
Who else would have such lofty standards. My brother was out and about last night and said some Royals fan was wasted talking about how they are going to win the AL Central this year. Why did he say that, because they signed Rick Ankiel of course. If Ankiel wins you a division does that mean Holliday and Penny win us the world series?
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we can only hope so.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Feb 6, 2010 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
very thoughtful and well written
race is a very tricky thing to write about but I think you knocked this one out of the park.
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
it's a shame we don't know that part of history (although some people don't know any baseball history)
cool papa bell sounds like an awesome story, sort of opposite of Ankiel, who went from amazing pitcher to not so amazing outfielder. although I doubt cool papa had the control issues. thanks for the article!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 6, 2010 2:08 PM EST reply actions
he was a knuckleballer
so there may have been some control issues. be interesting to find out.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
the reverse of cool papa and ricky-dicky
bobby kielty has, at age 33, converted from outfield to pitcher. tlr and dunc must be having SOME conversation right about now…
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
the younger niekro is converting back to his father's and uncle's trade.
though iirc he was a 1B, not OF.
"It doesn't have to be terribly prolific! Just so that it isn't childish and silly." She reflected. "I prefer stories about squalor." J.D.S.
seems he's been under uncle phil's knuckling tutelage
for a couple years now – do you know if anything is coming of it?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
In full disclosure
about the relationship MLB has had with African Americans, it should be noted that a couple of St Louis players were among the most responsible for segregation in baseball. Arlie Latham (one of the most charismatic players of the 1880s) signed a letter saying he would not play with blacks. If I recall correctly, Bob Caruthers was also a prominent supporter of segregation in the major leagues.
The St. Louis Cardinals- 11 time World Champions!
I live in Austin, Tx, and Wiliie Wells, poshumously inducted into the Hall of Fame, probably is more well known in this city now than when he was alive. He played for the St. Louis Stars, in part, because it was the the closest Negro National League city by rail to Austin. You may find this Austin Chronicle article about him interesting. He was a great shortstop (.392 batting average against Major League all star teams during exhibitions over his career) who never played in the majors, himself, but tutored Jackie Robinson on playing 2d base before he joined the Dodgers.
everyone should click that link
excellent, topical article. i myself had never heard of willie wells, but to be placed up there with honus wagner…interesting about cap anson, too.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Here's this years Fox game schedule
Saturday, April 10th (3pm)
St. Louis Cardinals at Milwaukee Brewers
Saturday, April 17th
New York Mets at St. Louis Cardinals
Saturday, May 29th
St. Louis Cardinals at Chicago Cubs
Saturday, June 5th
Milwaukee Brewers at St. Louis Cardinals
Saturday, July 3rd
Milwaukee Brewers at St. Louis Cardinals
Saturday, July 17th
Los Angeles Dodgers at St. Louis Cardinals
Saturday, August 14th
Chicago Cubs at St. Louis Cardinals
Saturday, September 11th
St. Louis Cardinals at Atlanta Braves
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kinda disappointed the 'stros don't show up on that list
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by EinFesteBusch on Feb 7, 2010 12:11 AM EST up reply actions
any biking enthusiasts here
that can offer some tutelage in what to look for when buying a bike
i’m probably just going to be perusing craigslist for something cheap as i doubt i will become an enthusiast, but i’m just trying to have more ways to get exercise and biking is fun!
mainly like wheel size and stuff. i don’t know what’s good for what
would this be something good for the casual biker to start out on?
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
the most important thing is the seat
not kidding!
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
first questions I'd ask are
what will the trails or streets you will be riding on, are they smooth or pretty rough. if you are a bigger guy and riding on streets with a lot of potholes, I’d buy a Schwinn from some department store and ride it for a couple of years and get another one. if you are lighter and riding mostly on smooth pathways, I’d spend more money on it and get something really light with a removable seat.
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 6, 2010 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
probably all pretty smooth
the roads near my house are smooth and austin has a big biking community, so there are lots of good trails everywhere
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
is your budget pretty low?
that $50 bike looked like a good deal. but didn’t look very light. will you be carrying the bike up and down stairs?
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 6, 2010 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
no need to travel up and down stairs
i don’t want to spend a lot of money, but i also don’t want to spend on;y $50 if it’s going to be junk
http://austin.craigslist.org/bik/1582226264.html
^ that looks like it has bigger wheels which was a complaint of the $50 bike on another board where i asked
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
Don't ride on major roads, roads without a big shoulder, at night or during traffic time
I secretly wish for anyone violating those rules to get clocked by a Ford F-U-Mobile.
Not afraid to nitpick
I've been clocked by a cabbie at night
my shoulder crushed his windshield. dude needs not to drive so aggressively
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 6, 2010 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
Cabbie's job incentive is to drive fast
And I have really good vision and bikers are hard to see at night. Even with flashers my first thought is “what the fuck is that?”—-I can’t imagine what it’s like for old people who don’t have 20-15.
Not afraid to nitpick
yeah
night time is the worst time ride, but flashers do help a lot. I think ultimately it’s the cyclist who needs to be extra cautious, of course. but cabbies can be overly aggressive and annoy pedestrians as well.
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 6, 2010 5:17 PM EST up reply actions
I have a couple cab drivers in my life
Scare the piss out of me when they are driving.
by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 6, 2010 5:21 PM EST up reply actions
Suck it up
obviously they haven’t killed you yet, but yeah even we Cabbies hate the way cabbies drive(not as much as we hate rickshaw cabs)
Я виключаю ти, сука
Was it TomCat009?
’Cause he has a license to kill (009).
Time for a new sig.
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 6, 2010 6:11 PM EST up reply actions
that's fine
i’d find a 28" if possible, though. and you probably don’t even need gears around austin – a cruiser? and fat tires, not those thin 10-speed things. and mattyfrommo is right – the seat!
then buy a two-foot chunk of chain from the nearest hardware store – they’ll cut it – and one of their locks. this is much cheaper and as good as an expensive bike lock.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
My first BMX bike was a Huffy mono shock.......
similar to this:

Fricking thing was a tank.
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Also, Dave Concepcion.
Gahh
remember trying to get air like the rich kids on their mongooses and diamondbacks? I took a jump and ended up landing under my huffy, felt like I had been kicked by a donkey
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our house on the farm burnt to the
ground in 1988 so we lived in a Doublewide on the property while the insurance money ca,e through. Imagine what 4 boys and their friends did with a 7ft deep hole about 60 ft long with a ramp out one side. We had that thing built up with about 20 different exit and entrance points with plywood ramps in every direction. I was to fat to fly like some kids but going off the side gave you an automatic 7-8ft of air. That was a good couple of years for BMXing around there
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Sounds like a good time......
excluding the whole burning house thing.
* is an Asshat
Also, Dave Concepcion.
i am currently working on building a gps unit for my bike
it is just in case it gets stolen and not for actual navigation. It is just the powering part that I am having trouble with.
by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 6, 2010 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
i'd think
you could use the turning of the wheels for power. i had assumed that that’s how the lights on bikes work, but that doesn’t seem to be the case now that i look
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
yeah I would draw power from the wheels
But I don’t want to overpower the gps unit and i need it to stop charging it when it is full.
by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 6, 2010 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
i would imagine
that the types of gps that plug into a cigaretter lighter would have resistors built in and automatically stop charging when full
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
not a normal gps unit
It is a GPS Tracker. The unit takes a sim card. You text message it and it will text message you back it’s location. They are pretty cool. You can activate “geo fences” on them. Which means if the gps unit leaves certain gps coordinates it will send a message to a phone.
by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 6, 2010 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
They are actually not that expensive anymore
Around $150 for the actual tracker straight from Hong Kong. It needs to be water proof, stealthily hidden, self powered, and I will probably have to run some kind of antenna for it also.
by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 6, 2010 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
For just road riding?
http://www.raleighusa.com/bikes/hybrid/detour-45/
Brand new you are looking about $500. I’m sure you can find a good deal on a used one. I don’t think you are going to be doing any road races yet so you may want to look at the hybrid/ comfert bikes and not a road bike. Weight is your enemy. Lighter the better. You don’t need a carbon fiber frame but stay away from the Wal-mart bikes. There is a reason they are so cheap.
Tires – The taller they are the easier it will be to maintain speed. The skinnier the tires the easier it is to maintain and reach speed. So a tale and skinny tire will be the easiest to ride with. The thicker the tire the easier it will be going of non pavement.
You’ll want to find something that is comfortable. If you are not comfortable on the bike you will not want to ride it. And then it’s useless. You’ll want something that you can sit upright. And that is tall enough that your legs are fully extended at the lowest point of the peddle. You won’t be able to touch the ground when you are riding. But that’s okay.
Find a local bike shop and stop buy there and speak with them. Even if you don’t buy something they should lead you in the direction of a good bike.(that way you’ll bring it in for service and to buy accessories from them)
Hope that helps.
how about an aluminum frame?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Contact me and I can help
First off I need to know
Let me know
1) Your budget
2) What kind of riding are you planning
3) Age and height— and any special health info, e.g. bad back.
I’d advise anyone taking up cycling (and for that matter most any hobby) to start with something cheap yet functional and likely used. Of course, cheap is relative. Some guys don’t have a problem dropping $1000 on a “starter” bike. If you are a student, $100 may be a significant investment. The biggest mistake people make is buying more bike (a more expensive bike) than they need.
The St. Louis Cardinals- 11 time World Champions!
It sounds to me
like many of you have never watched Ken Burns’ Baseball. That’s where I first heard so many of these names, although I knew of Paige and O’Neil years and years ago. But Bell, Gibson, Rube Foster and so many of the others are all mentioned, especially in Episode 5, Shadow Ball.
Time for a new sig.
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 6, 2010 6:04 PM EST reply actions
How many lists did you have to search before
you found one that had more than one Cardinal prospect on it?
Time for a new sig.
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 6, 2010 6:25 PM EST up reply actions
sickel's seemed pretty high on garcia
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I really wish
The baseball prospect guys would steal Hockey Future’s system for grading prospects. That doesn’t work quite as well for baseball given the injury risk to pitchers, but it’d provide a lot more data for statheads to analyze.
Not afraid to nitpick
I like that system, and it would be interesting to see prospects graded like that.
"Forget it, spants. It's Chinatown." - tom s.
I might be biased though
Because that results in this even though we don’t really have any true franchise changing prospects, just a whole lot of guys who should be good—-although I guess Petro is the best Junior defenseman in the world.
Not afraid to nitpick
white sox gm kenny williams
when asked about the chances of signing johnny damon, in reply asked, “who is his agent?”
did lowry audition yet? it appears not – cards supposed to attend.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
No update on Lowry at rotoworld
other than the 2/1 cancellation of his 2/2 audition.
Time for a new sig.
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 7, 2010 12:02 AM EST up reply actions
Shouldn't this be a big red flag?
Who cancels an audition unless they’re worried about how it’s going to turn out?
Heaven has brick walls and St. Peter is a red bird.
by EinFesteBusch on Feb 7, 2010 12:09 AM EST up reply actions
or on a bender.
perhaps same thing.
on the other hand, pedro, i believe, cancelled a couple times last year (or just didn’t show up).
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Does anyone remember what salary figures Skip and the Cardinals submitted?
"Forget it, spants. It's Chinatown." - tom s.
1.45
and 2.75
not positive on skip’s figure, but it’s close
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
that's a pretty substantial gap
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
no those were the numbers
Time for a new sig.
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 7, 2010 12:03 AM EST up reply actions
in the wake of big mac confession...
just saw TLR referred to as Tony LaJussa – anyone else seen/heard this?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
No. Let's pretend it didn't happen so the trolls don't have more ammo.
"Forget it, spants. It's Chinatown." - tom s.
news to me
that’s the most lameass nickname for tony I’ve ever heard
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 6, 2010 8:40 PM EST up reply actions
like a WWF-sized rapper?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Completely OT: Did anyone know
that Zombie Nation was the name of the group and not the song? I just found that out and it completely blew my mind.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
anyone else watching the Illinois-Michigan State game?
64-57, Illini. Kinda nice to hear Dickie V going crazy for somebody other than the Dookies.
Heaven has brick walls and St. Peter is a red bird.
just saw the Bulls beat Miami
that was pretty cool
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 6, 2010 10:53 PM EST up reply actions
haven't begun to follow ncaa
yet this year, but took a look in the paper at top 20 couple days ago – what the hell happened to north carolina? not even top 20?!
i root for gonzaga. before that it was bobby knight. likewise, in pro handegg, i always rooted for parcells, until he went to dallas, and then i became a pack fan (yes, i like favre) – getting back with parcells in miami, though, and hope he has another phil simms in henne.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Vitale was pretty pissed that they charged the court
Interesting theory, I mean. They beat a team missing their best player at home, but that team was still #5 in the country. Thoughts?
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
Close to borderline but at the same time clearly on the "don't charge" side IMO
You charge against #1 or #2 teams or your biggest rival in epic games (assuming they are at least ranked…..yes I am unnecessarily working that in to defend Mizzou charging against KU last year—-being there, that game was worthy. Although that was my 21st so everything that day would’ve been awesome) OR the team sucks and pulled off a miracle. It’d be okay since they were #5…….except they were missing their best player. Not that cool of a win.
Not afraid to nitpick
I've never heard anyone criticized for storming the court before.
I can’t blame them. MI State may not be #1 or #2 in the nation, but they’re the best in the conference. A team that talented doesn’t rise and fall with one player…they should’ve been able to beat Illinois handily without Lucas. Illinois needs more wins like this if they’re going to have a shot of playing in March.
Heaven has brick walls and St. Peter is a red bird.
by EinFesteBusch on Feb 7, 2010 12:04 AM EST up reply actions
Ummm
Lucas is MSU’s leading scorer AND their leading assists guy AND their best defensive guard. That’s not a top 5 team without him and Illinois was a 2 point dog with it not being a big rivalry.
If Mizzou beats Kansas without Aldridge, that’s not that cool of a win and not charge worthy.
Not afraid to nitpick
if illinois charges
after beating lakeland community college, i’ll agree with you. probably only those in attendance know if it was charge worthy, though. i mean, was the crowd charged?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
i disagree
and think if duke beat the blue on buzzer-beater this year and they charged dickie v would exclaim, “this is college basketball, baby! i love it!”
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
+1
Heaven has brick walls and St. Peter is a red bird.
by EinFesteBusch on Feb 7, 2010 12:06 AM EST up reply actions
dickie v has his faves
and out of the big ten it is tom izzo. dickie v is loyal. i’m sure he was rooting for izzo. then he was (understandably) pissed. dickie v reminds me a bit of tlr in the loyalty factor. tom izzo is my favorite coach since bk hung em up, but you have to be objective about it.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I like Izzo too, but I don't think it's an affront to the coach when fans storm the court.
Heaven has brick walls and St. Peter is a red bird.
by EinFesteBusch on Feb 7, 2010 12:39 AM EST up reply actions
i think you know i'm with you on that
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Vitale has always been an ACC then Big Ten fan.
I think he was saying that Illinois was too good too recently for us to be storming like we were St. Cecelia’s Women’s School for Blind Amputees ending Wooden’s UCLA 88 win streak.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
Oh yeah
Dickie V is a tool, but in this case I don’t think it was a big enough win to qualify. The “danger” and all that argument is idiotic.
Not afraid to nitpick
i have no idea, but how
many times have the illini fans stormed the court this year? is it out of control?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
BEST WIN EVAR!!!!!
In fairness we have no rivals. And generally the security makes it very difficult to charge there at least at football games. So it’s really been building up for years and we may have just seen a weakness in the system and exploited it. In fairness I’m usually in the don’t charge act like you’ve been there before camp. That being said no one at the school was there for the 05 run so they haven’t really been there before. If I recall right we didn’t storm on Paint nite when we beat Wake… so take all this as you will.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
Whatever
If your students want to charge the court, let them. Who cares whether the team is ranked #5 or #500, is missing their best player or is a team fielded with midgets. I think the whole “when can they charge the court” thing is bogus.
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
Have to remember that mostly these are kids.
This is what kids do.
by Tom_Lawless_Bat_Flip on Feb 7, 2010 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
peursing the photobucket
some silly stuff

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Feb 7, 2010 1:24 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I'm here now
just got done burning through some TiVo stuff.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
Watching Jeopardy on a Saturday nite...
that’s how you know you’ve arrived…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
Luckily I caught part of the mini infomercial
for Girls Gone Wild on Comedy Central when I was channel surfing… I cannot think of a more well placed ad than that one… sad drunk guys at home on a Saturday… buy our product and see nekkid women…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
christ this is depressing
i’m walking back across the street to the bar.
norleans is def gearing up for the game – tailgating in front of bars. i was going to try to contain myself tonite, but forget that…
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
But what if the webertubes break?
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
Yeah, all those articles about projections
and signings… What a bunch of shit.
Forget it, spants. It's Chinatown. - tom s.
Buck O'Neil
I have to agree with the poster above who said it was a shame that Buck O’Neil isn’t in the Baseball Hall of Fame though they have now named a Lifetime Achievement award for him that will be given away every 3 years or so.
I met the man several times through baseball card shows my Dad and I hosted in Tulsa and I visited him a few times in KC at the museum before his death. I’ve met lots of professional baseball players over the years and 10 or 12 Negro Leaguers as well but he has always stood out in my mind as not only a very good player but a great person.
If you’re really interested in the Negro Leagues and what it was like then I’d highly recommend reading Buck’s book “I Was Right On Time”. It talks about Cool Papa Bell quite a bit and of course Satchel Paige among others.

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