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st. louis and the negro leagues

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willie wells was one of the greatest shortstops of all time and vies with john henry lloyd for the best shortstop in negro league history.

before we get into the main article, i want to say a couple words about the most recent move by the cards. i don't have much to add to lboros's fine explanation for why lopez makes much more sense for the cards than any position player on the market, nor to danup's rundown of lopez's virtues and vices.

i will say i like the timing of the move a lot. for someone who has to mind the bottom line (and who has been accused of overpaying by moving too soon in the past), mo must have been tempted to let lopez wait as long as possible to drive the price down. the recent khalil greene scare should have demonstrated why an indefinite wait period was undesirable; as spring training started, those who were "in the best shape of their lives" in january will become rehabbers in march. it only would have taken one other team suddenly in need of help at second or third to drive lopez's price back up.

moreover, for someone whose defense is the weak link in his skillset and, particularly, for someone who may be called on to guard the big gap between skip schumaker and david freese while brendan ryan is out of commission, spending as much time as possible with jose oquendo seems like a good idea. hopefully, lopez gets a chance to really drill his defense with someone who is among the best (if not the best) at training infield defenders. 

while it would be foolish to assume lopez's 2009 success will carry over, it has to be the case that he has a higher ceiling than whoever else on our squad would have filled his role. i've been happy to put an optimistic face on ruben gotay, but lopez is a far better player. a switch-hitter who plays at least two key defensive positions (ones at which we have deficits) respectably is a fine thing for $1.75m plus incentives. 

i have not liked the idea of lugo on this squad for some time. he projects to be about replacement value. his bat is likely to regress. i really think there's no room for him anymore. the only real downside to trading him or even releasing him is the small possibility that he gets over his knee injury and returns to his form of several seasons ago. anything he brings to the table, lopez brings and more. 

i like tyler greene on the squad much better than lugo. for one, he is the best defensive shortstop on the team after boog. for another, he has a future with the team - potentially. he has a ceiling to explore which could benefit us going forward. giving him a chance this year to face major league pitching and refine his approach presents real reward possibilities for the club. i can see mcgwire having a positive influence on tyler and his patience at the plate. i doubt that greene has much more to learn at AAA and can't see any purpose in leaving him there.

if boog starts the season on the DL, there's room to carry all three infielders until boog returns. spring training and any DL time give the front office a chance to find a team whose infield depth gets stretched by injury. dealing lugo to a team suddenly desperate for infield help could bring some limited trade value. lugo is not likely to be worth more in trade than he is now and will likely not provide substantial value to the team on the field. trading him seems like a no-brainer.

Star-divide

we had a request last week for more info specific to the st. louis stars. i wanted to give a rundown of some of the great players to play for the stars team. 

willie wells broke onto the scene in the negro leagues with the st. louis stars in 1924 and became one of the most exceptional shortstops in the negro leagues. most accounts call john henry lloyd the best shortstop, though buck o'neil called him the better of the two. o'neil compared wells' defense favorably with ozzie smith, and noted wells was a lifetime .364 hitter with a .410 average against major league competition. as always with negro league records, declaring any statistics is a matter of subjective reasoning, rather than precision. figuring out which games "counted" or even which of two newspaper boxscores conveys the real result of one game is just not a rigorous process. wells is credited alternately with a lifetime .358 average or a .319 lifetime average. or maybe .328.  another frustrating factor in trying to use statistics to evaluate negro league players is that batting average is often as sophisticated as metrics go. even finding a slugging percentage is tough. you will almost certainly have to calculate a negro league player's on base percentage yourself, since i have yet to see it cited for negro leaguers.

wells on the ballfield was a remarkable player. his defense widely gets the praise buck o'neil affords it. a few tales are commonly told of him. one of the most frequent is that he was the first player to wear a batting helmet. after getting beaned while playing for the newark eagles, he returned to the plate later wearing a construction helmet. beanballs in the negro leagues, like many practices frowned on today like sandpapering a ball, were commonplace, acceptable events. 

he capped his career in the 40's and 50's by becoming a player-manager, memorably teaching jackie robinson how to make a double play pivot at second. like many players of the era, his post-game career was ignominious, working 13 years in a deli in new york city. 

wells really was a tremendous player. in the 1930 playoff among the western teams, wells almost single-handedly delivered the series into the stars' hands. he collected an RBI in game one against the detroit stars and two hits each in game 2 and game 3. in game 5, he hit a home run - this was during a road game in detroit. hitting a home run in st. louis was less of a feat, as the left field fence was less than 300 feet away, to accommodate a street trolley shed. members of the stars regularly led the league in homers. detroit seems to have had a similarly hitter-friendly field, since turkey stearnes and other detroit players regularly made up the remaining spots on the home run leader list. 

in game 6, wells hit two RBI singles, then an inside-the-park home run. in game 7, wells hit a double and two singles. st. louis won both games and the series. willie wells won the mvp of the playoff series.

the stars would finish in third place in their league in 1931 and then disband in the face of the economic upheaval of the depression. few teams were capable of surviving in the harsh aftermath of the stock market crash of 1929. a much diminished st. louis team would make attempts to reform in 1937 and 1939, without making any kind of a splash either year. some teams like the kansas city monarchs would survive by traveling almost exclusively as a barnstorming club rather than a regular league member. 

as the flush years of the twenties became the dusty, parched years of the thirties, just traveling as a ballplayer in the negro leagues became a challenge. buck o'neil tells stories of hardscrabble seasons on low-profile teams "hoboing" to games by jumping freight cars.

another team traveled from game to game in two seven-passenger cars. one car broke down and the team was reduced to cramming each seat of the car as full of men as possible, then leaving two more players riding on the running boards, holding hands across the top of the car to keep from falling off. 

the difficulties of traveling the country in a time of abject poverty were compounded by the jim crow laws which frequently prevented the players from staying in ordinary hotels or eating in most restaurants. o'neil states that every player kept a "little black book" of names of rooming houses or back porch cafes throughout the south where the players could sleep or eat. still, players sometimes resorted to sleeping train stations or even pitching tents on the playing field to find a place to sleep. 

willie wells would rebel against the jim crow laws and spend more time than most players in mexico and the caribbean, stating that he was treated like a hero in mexico, paid better, and experienced no discrimination on the basis of his skin color.

 Here in Mexico, I am a man. I can go as far in baseball as I am capable of going. I can live where I please and will encounter no restrictions of any kind because of my race.

mule suttles was another of the most famous of the st. louis stars. suttles made the most of the hitter-friendly park on laclede. he regularly appeared on the leaderboards for home runs. one account has suttles slugging 1.000 in 1926, though another has him "merely" slugging .773. whether he made 1.000 or not, the following year he pushed the same envelope with a .987 slugging percentage in a beanball shortened season. he hit for a .341 batting average in exhibition games against white major league teams over 170 AB, knocking in 10 HR in that sample size. in the california league, facing white major league teams, he hit .444 and slugged .968 in 124 AB. 

although some accounts call him the leading home run hitter of the negro leagues with 237 HR, other accounts have josh gibson smashing as many as 800 home runs. these disputes will likely never be full resolved, because of the paucity of the contemporary reports and the difficulty of determining which teams "counted" as opponents. 

talking about the statistical difficulties brings me around to one of my primary aims in developing this series. most of the accounts of negro league baseball credit the players of the negro league with playing baseball at least as well as their white major league contemporaries. proponents - who are rarely unbiased - state that negro league teams won more games than they lost in exhibitions against white major leaguers. 

it strikes me that maybe the modern statistical analysts can do better than this in demonstrating the relative level of competition in the major leagues as compared to the negro leagues during the same era. the rosetta stone for "translating" the relative difficulty of each league for hitters and pitchers could be stats from interracial games and from players who played in both leagues. some negro leaguers from before1947 and would go on to play in the majors. some hispanic players actually played in both leagues before 1947. trying to put together some relative metrics, like ERA+ or OPS+ for individual players in the negro leagues could, if used in a sufficient sample size, provide some rough translation of the relative difficulty of the majors and the negro leagues in the years from 1920 to 1950. e.g., if 20 hispanic players who all played in both the negro and major leagues in the early 30's all had, say, an average OPS+ of 95 in the negro leagues but an average OPS+ of, say 105 in the major leagues, that would suggest (in a sufficient sample size) that hitting in the negro leagues was actually harder. 

share your ideas in the comments.  

[EDIT: bibliography

O'Neil, Buck et al., I Was Right on Time

Posnanski, Joe, The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America

Holway, John, The Complete Book of Baseball's Negro Leagues: The Other Half of Baseball History

Brashler, WIlliam, Josh Gibson: A Life in the Negro Leagues

White, Sol, History of Colored Baseball

Snyder, Brad, Beyond the Shadows of the Senators: The Untold Story of the Homestead Grays and the Integration of Baseball

Bruce, Janet, The Kansas City Monarchs: Champions of Black Baseball

Tye, Larry, Satchel: The Life and Times of an American Legend]

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Great Stuff!

:=8D

BTW, we signed Floppy today! a good day all around!

Big McLargehuge!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Feb 27, 2010 8:12 AM EST reply actions  

yeah, I just saw the lopez signing.

miss one day at VEB, miss a lot.

obviously we all know how I feel about the floppy signing. wahoo!

changing my sig now….glad my jedi mind tricks worked.

SIGN FELIPE LOPEZ

"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR

by IHeartBoog on Feb 27, 2010 1:45 PM EST up reply actions  

your signature commanded it :)

I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 27, 2010 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

i had sign felipe lopez too

but oh well. maybe my sig will command a john smoltz signing?

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by zoomzoomj88 on Feb 27, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

why not?

still have plenty of $ to spend on him, or whoever

I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 27, 2010 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I really enjoy your look back at the Negro Leagues

I hope you find some way to keep this going it you can spare the time. Maybe not at the same clip, but perhaps tossing one in the Fanposts during the season from time to time. I can promise you that at least I will check them out. I really appreciate how you make the effort to track some numbers down. In fact, your understandable inability to peg anything is what I want to comment on.

I’ve given the Negro Leagues quite a bit of thought over the years for a variety of reasons outside of the fact that I am an incurable baseball fan.

As a white American I’m obviously not proud of the fact that the Negro Leagues was necessary and it always pains me a bit to read things like Willie Wells’ thoughts on playing in Mexico. Then again, well, things have improved.

My point is that I have a certain pronounced fondness for the uncertainty that comes with the unquantifiable of the Negro Leagues greats. In short, it gives them a larger than life aura- Paul Bunyunesque. We can always look up what Cap Anson (?) or Babe Ruth did on any specific year. But the great Negro Leaguers, mostly for ill, exist in Olympian shadows, in my mind anyway. To me, that is the beauty of baseball.

Why was Willie Wells or Satchel Paige or Josh Gibson great players? Well, my dad told me about the day my grandfather saw him hit one so far that…

So, I do feel a sort of cultural remorse of the Negro Leaguers, but in another way, they encapsulate the magical beauty and mystery that makes baseball the great game it is. The greatness had to be seen to be believed.

They say sing while you slave but I just get bored

by Scarecrow7775 on Feb 27, 2010 8:18 AM EST reply actions  

I concur

To me, watching the game is more tha OPS and OBP and SLG and FIP or anything. I want the stories behind it all, and the history. While I’m probably the least statistically inclined economist ever, this is what I love. Even more than that, the cultural effects of the Negro Leagues is what I love and want to hear about. Lets be honest: I couldn’t care less about the Cards winning percentage if they did something great for society. And I feel like, in a lot of ways, the Negro Leagues meant more to society as a whole than anything about who the best hitters were.

by Expatcardfan on Feb 27, 2010 4:51 PM EST up reply actions  

this just in: hitting groups

Lopez is in Group 2 today with #Cardinals. – dgoold

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Feb 27, 2010 8:33 AM EST reply actions  

moar from p-d

he’s got #8

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Feb 27, 2010 9:29 AM EST up reply actions  

I'd love to see someone do something with that 'Rosetta Stone'

The more we talk of baseball indissoluble from stats, the more it’s relevant to put a new historical lens on the past. After all, what good is being the only American sport with a century-long Modern Era if it’s not ‘translated’. That would be super exciting.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Feb 27, 2010 10:01 AM EST reply actions  

Was it here at VEB that I was linked to an article

saying that there are some guys out there working on getting some of the Negro League stats up over at Baseball Reference? Did anyone else see that article? I am really looking forward to that getting done.

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Feb 27, 2010 10:48 AM EST up reply actions  

really? super excitinnng.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Feb 27, 2010 10:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Duh Me

It was in this weeks issue of Sports Weekly, by USA Today. I am really glad I saw it there with Big Mac on the cover the other day. I am still upset that it is no longer called Baseball Weekly.

Here is an online linky

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

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by mattyfrommo on Feb 27, 2010 10:58 AM EST up reply actions  

thanks, matty! i will look forward

To the finished project.

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Feb 27, 2010 1:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

they make the same point about statistics that you do

but even with those stats being only mostly close to being accurate, it will still be nice to finally be able to compare players in that way

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

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by mattyfrommo on Feb 27, 2010 2:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Yadi Cam!

http://interact.stltoday.com/blogzone/bird-land/bird-land/2010/02/watch-wainwright-pitch-from-molinas-perspective/

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Feb 27, 2010 10:02 AM EST reply actions  

That is awesome.

"What's your favorite Chuck Palahniuk book?"

"I like the one about the alienated character who finds the socially unacceptable way of coping with modernity."

by hazel on Feb 27, 2010 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

That was really cool

In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
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by Taskmaster on Feb 27, 2010 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Yesterday was LaRue cam, which only lasted for two of Brad Penny's pitches.

But man did those pitches move. I am filled with the optimism of spring.

Forget it, spants. It's Chinatown. - tom s.

by spants on Feb 27, 2010 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

that was awesome

but Luddy is still wagging his bat. Grrr.

Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers

by SleepyCA on Feb 27, 2010 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Heh. Why did Albert start hitting lefty at the beginning?

I wonder if Big mac’s dinger camp has got somewhat lost in translation…

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Feb 28, 2010 3:20 PM EST up reply actions  

pssh, proper nouns

as far as i’m concerned, only acronyms get capitalized. i don’t need to be told that a proper noun is a proper noun

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Feb 27, 2010 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I can still read it

I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 27, 2010 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

welcome to VEB, btw.

Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers

by SleepyCA on Feb 27, 2010 3:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I hope you people are kidding.

Tom puts all this work into his post and all you’ve got to say is that you’re not okay with his lack of capital letters?

Forget it, spants. It's Chinatown. - tom s.

by spants on Feb 27, 2010 6:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I picture lboros

chuckling somewhere.

* is an Asshat
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Feb 27, 2010 6:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I am not okay with people only commenting to complain

but we don’t wanna go down that road again.

And hell, Tom has been doing it this was for a long time, and so did larry.

GAH!!!!

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Feb 27, 2010 6:30 PM EST up reply actions  

hey, as long as I can read it

who am I to complain?

I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 27, 2010 6:40 PM EST up reply actions  

fixed

And hell, Tom tom has been doing it this was for a long time, and so did larry

by ubeddie on Feb 27, 2010 10:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Not a big deal for me.

I just think it makes it harder to read.

by hotwater2 on Feb 28, 2010 3:27 PM EST up reply actions  

i agree floppy makes lugo redundant

problem is who wants logo?
sox aren’t paying his salary because he was a hot commodity

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going

by sportsman on Feb 27, 2010 11:05 AM EST reply actions  

at the very least

his rep as a bad clubhouse guy might be on the way out. he has rediscovered his love of baseball, it seems (see FSM online). score one for the man stew??

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Feb 27, 2010 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

I have

always maintained that if we have Floppy, we don’t need Lugo, we need a LH PH, or go with a 13 person BP. As Felonius says, maybe we can get a C for Lugo. So the bench be Floppy, LaRue, Craig, Mather, and 13th arm, or LH OH?

On another note, no one seems to have picked up on Albert’s dislike of the El Hombre moniker. Given that, the Mang is obviously out too. How about a VEB poll on the next Albert ecomium? I have thought long and hard, and nothing has really jumped out. I thought about royal, batting related (Joltin’ Joe), and other categories, but no obvious candidate. Currently reading The Gashouse Gang by Heidenry, and he cite the nicknames which were replete, including Ripper, Pepper, Ducky, the Fordham Flash, the Lip (was that Leo??), Showboat, Kayo, Pop, Tex, Wild Bill, Dazzy, and Dizzy.

Finally, in keeping with AP’s calm demeanour, best in the game performance; I propose The Class.

Finally, OT, go Canada tomorrow! We aren’t Finland!

by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Feb 27, 2010 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Tony is Crazy Tony and all

but I don’t even think Crazy Tony is CRAZY TONY enough to go with a 13 man bullpen!

I really think this signing means either Lugo is going to be gone, or Craig isn’t going to make the team.

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Feb 27, 2010 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

sorry

I realized several errors in my post. Hiccc. Too many beers too early, due to…. But, seriously, with Floppy on the bench, would a 4 person bench and 13 person pitching staff make any sense? If not, who do you get for the 5th bench person, a PH/OF guy, or what? I always liked Josh Phelps as a hammer off the bench, whatever happened to him?

by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Feb 27, 2010 1:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I know he signed with the Giants last offseason

I am not sure where he is at right now

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Feb 27, 2010 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

If they go with that sort of guy

they’ve probably got a decent one in-house, Mark Hamilton (lefty-hitting 1B who was very effective with the bat at Memphis last year, but who can’t play any other position AFAIK, despite taking a few reps in the OF). He’s probably better than a Phelps-type guy now.

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Feb 28, 2010 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

damn

you guys are crazy on the game with your references. Still, having read it, I am still going with The Class (as in act). Or how about Riverboat, reference to STL, hitting HRS towards the river, and diss to Showboat?

by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Feb 27, 2010 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Or how about

el Hombre?

Forget it, spants. It's Chinatown. - tom s.

by spants on Feb 27, 2010 2:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I suggest

that you ask him what he thinks about your proposal.

by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Feb 27, 2010 5:29 PM EST up reply actions  

You don't get to choose your own nickname.

Not even if you’re Albert Pujols.

Forget it, spants. It's Chinatown. - tom s.

by spants on Feb 27, 2010 5:31 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

he doesn't want to choose it

he is just vetoing the nickname

I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 27, 2010 5:35 PM EST up reply actions  

OK

but what is great to me about his comment is that he has that respect for Stan. Cardinals heritage. Apart from the crazy Gashouse Gang that I mentioned earlier, who do we (me) think of as Cards icons? Stan, Gibby, Curt Flood (for labour relations reasons), Lou Brock, Ozzie, Jimmy?

by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Feb 27, 2010 5:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I understand what he's saying.

It makes me like El Hombre even more because it’s Musial-like to be humble.

Forget it, spants. It's Chinatown. - tom s.

by spants on Feb 27, 2010 5:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Well

how about the dos-El Hombre? Fitting respect?

by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Feb 27, 2010 5:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Like I said in the other thread

Forget it, spants. It's Chinatown. - tom s.

by spants on Feb 27, 2010 5:49 PM EST up reply actions  

SBN!

I’m okay with Albert being pissed off about this. He plays best when he’s pissed. Just ask Sad Catcher.

Forget it, spants. It's Chinatown. - tom s.

by spants on Feb 27, 2010 5:50 PM EST up reply actions  

he'll probably be over it by the time the season starts though

I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 27, 2010 5:52 PM EST up reply actions  

He complains about this with some regularity.

I don’t think it will stop bothering him. But if the media plays nice, what does he care what I call him?

Forget it, spants. It's Chinatown. - tom s.

by spants on Feb 27, 2010 5:53 PM EST up reply actions  

does he even know heh

I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 27, 2010 5:54 PM EST up reply actions  

That's the point.

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"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog

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by andi_k on Feb 27, 2010 5:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I for one

believe that Albert can even eliminate a nickname.

I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 27, 2010 5:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Haha : ) he'll have to hunt us down individually

I don’t think he has time for that.

I created the first #BrendanRyan hashtag on Twitter
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog

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by andi_k on Feb 27, 2010 5:57 PM EST up reply actions  

does a nickname exist when Albert is not around?

I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 27, 2010 5:58 PM EST up reply actions  

i thought albert is everywhere

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Feb 27, 2010 5:59 PM EST up reply actions  

he is

I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 27, 2010 5:59 PM EST up reply actions  

i'm going to try not to look behind me

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Feb 27, 2010 6:01 PM EST up reply actions  

When I look out into your eyes out there,
When I look out into your faces,
You know what I see?
I see a little bit of Albert
In each and every one of you out there.

Lemme tell ya…
Weeeeeeeeeellllllll…

Albert is everywhere
Albert is everything
Albert is everybody
Albert is still the king

Man o man
What I want you to see
Is that the big A’s
Inside of you and me

Albert is everywhere, man!
He’s in everything.
He’s in everybody…

Albert is in your jeans.
He’s in your cheesburgers
Albert is in Nutty Buddies!
Albert is in your mom!

He’s in everybody.
He’s in the young, the old,
the fat, the skinny,
the white, the black
the brown and the blue
people got Albert in ’em too

Albert is in everybody out there.
Everybody’s got Albert in them!
Everybody except one person that is…
Yeah, one person!
The evil opposite of Albert.
The Anti-Albert

Anti-Albert got no Albert in ’em,
lemme tell ya.

Barry Bonds has no Albert in him.

And Albert is in Joe Strauss
but he’s trying to get out, man!
He’s trying to get out!
Listen up Joey Baby!

Albert is everywhere
Albert is everything
Albert is everybody
Albert is still the king

Man o man
What I want you to see
Is that the big A’s
Inside of you and me

Man, there’s a lot of unexplained phenomenon
out there in the world.
Lot of things people say
What the heck’s going on?

Let me tell ya!

Who built the pyramids?
ALBERT!
Who built Stonehenge?
ALBERT!

Yeah, man you see guys
walking down the street
pushing shopping carts
and you think they’re talking to allah,
they’re talking to themself.
Man, no they’re talking to ALBERT!
ALBERT! ALBERT!

You know whats going on in that Bermuda Triangle?
Down in the Bermuda Traingle
Albert needs boats.
Albert needs boats.
Albert Albert Albert
Albert Albert Albert
Albert needs boats.

Aahh! The Sailing Albert!
Captain Albert!
Commodore Albert it is.

Yeah man, you know people from outer space,
people from outer space they come up to me.
They don’t look like like Doctor Spock.
They don’t look like Klingons,
all that Star Trek jive.

They look like Albert.
ALBERT!
Everybody in outer space looks like Albert.
Cause Albert is a perfect being.
We are all moving in perfect peace and harmony towards Albertness

Soon all will become Albert.
Everything everywhere will be Albert.
Why do you think they call it evolution anyway?
It’s really Albertlution!
Albertlution!

Albert is everywhere
Albert is everything
Albert is everybody
Albert is still the king

Man o man
What I want you to see
Is that the big A’s
Inside of you and me

That’s right ladies and gentlemen,
The time has come!
Time has come to talk
To that little bit of Albert inside of you.

Talk to it!
Call it up!
Say “Albert, heal me!”
“Save me, Albert!”
“Make me be born again
in the perfect Albert light”

That’s right!
You’ve got that Albert inside of ya
and he’s talkin to ya
He says he wants you to play ball!
Everybody’s got to play ball like the king!

Like the king
Get that leg going now
Get your hip too.
Not no fool Matt Holliday hip either
Everybody!
Yeah, we’re rockin now!

Albert is with us.
He’s with us and he’s speaking to us.
He says “Peoples!”
“Peoples!”
“Everybody!”
“Everybody got to play ball!”

Albert is everywhere
Albert is everything
Albert is everybody
Albertis still the king

Man o man
What I want you to see
Is that the big A’s
Inside of you and me

Albert is everywhere
Albert is everything
Albert is everybody
Albert is still the king

Man o man
What I want you to see
Is that the big A’s
Inside of you and me

(Kudos to Mojo)

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 27, 2010 9:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Crap

forgot the header

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 27, 2010 9:37 PM EST up reply actions  

something this long should be fanposted.

I am the Batman .
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.

by CodyG on Feb 27, 2010 9:45 PM EST up reply actions  

when he retires to coach AJ, he'll have plenty of time on his hands

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Feb 27, 2010 5:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Not if he wants AJ to be good.

Forget it, spants. It's Chinatown. - tom s.

by spants on Feb 27, 2010 6:02 PM EST up reply actions  

anyone heard from Backe lately?

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Feb 27, 2010 6:03 PM EST up reply actions  

better watch your back, backe

I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 27, 2010 6:04 PM EST up reply actions  

We should hire him to be on call

and trot him out whenever needed

I created the first #BrendanRyan hashtag on Twitter
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog

"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009

by andi_k on Feb 27, 2010 6:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Or hey -

all of us that like the El Hombre nickname can just go to Busch before BP and taunt Albert with “EL HOMBRE” shouts.

Forget it, spants. It's Chinatown. - tom s.

by spants on Feb 27, 2010 6:05 PM EST up reply actions  

but then you would be like a cubs fan

I never liked nicknames anyway

I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 27, 2010 6:06 PM EST up reply actions  

That's why it's funny.

If we don’t all fall in line then we’re somehow dissing Albert.

Forget it, spants. It's Chinatown. - tom s.

by spants on Feb 27, 2010 6:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I have no problem calling him sir or mr. pujols

I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 27, 2010 6:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess we could

start calling him “Sexy Beast.” Can I get a second?

Forget it, spants. It's Chinatown. - tom s.

by spants on Feb 27, 2010 6:10 PM EST up reply actions  

that works

I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 27, 2010 6:11 PM EST up reply actions  

seconded

I created the first #BrendanRyan hashtag on Twitter
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog

"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009

by andi_k on Feb 27, 2010 6:13 PM EST up reply actions  

okay, this is conflating contexts

on VEB, there is no El Hombre meme. there never was. there is not going to be some mythical bunch of commenters cracking down as per the wishes of Albert if no one was saying it in the first place.

or are you just having fun being contrary?

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Feb 27, 2010 6:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I meant the taunting in my previous comment would be funny.

I never said it was a meme, so I don’t really know what you’re talking about.

Forget it, spants. It's Chinatown. - tom s.

by spants on Feb 27, 2010 6:12 PM EST up reply actions  

so explain what this means?
That’s why it’s funny.

If we don’t all fall in line then we’re somehow dissing Albert.

Who is we? who is they? and if it doesn’t bother you, why d’you keep bringing it up?

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Feb 27, 2010 6:14 PM EST up reply actions  

aw darnit.

stupid phone call. gtg.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Feb 27, 2010 6:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Have you read the whole thread?

I had at least two commenters trying to convince me not to call him El Hombre. I never said I didn’t care. I’m not going to make comments about something and pretend I don’t care about it.

Forget it, spants. It's Chinatown. - tom s.

by spants on Feb 27, 2010 6:15 PM EST up reply actions  

You guys

are beautiful. I brought up the AP nickname thing to get creative inputs, not argument or vituperaton.We all care, but what is the name? Oh well. Take care, and my vote is still THE CLASS!

by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Feb 27, 2010 6:38 PM EST up reply actions  

vituperation

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Feb 27, 2010 6:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought they were jokes rather than argument or vituperation

I created the first #BrendanRyan hashtag on Twitter
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog

"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009

by andi_k on Feb 27, 2010 6:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I was joking with everyone.

Just discussing.

Forget it, spants. It's Chinatown. - tom s.

by spants on Feb 27, 2010 6:44 PM EST up reply actions  

all I know is that katmandu has an awesome command of vocabulary

I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 27, 2010 6:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Too late.

We’re going with “Sexy Beast.”

Forget it, spants. It's Chinatown. - tom s.

by spants on Feb 27, 2010 6:47 PM EST up reply actions  

correction

it doesn’t persist for very long. it doesn’t pass the drunk test, the home run test, or the main blogs test.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Feb 27, 2010 6:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe we should pretend to be fans of the opposing team

and pop champagne prematurely instead

I created the first #BrendanRyan hashtag on Twitter
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog

"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009

by andi_k on Feb 27, 2010 6:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed--I can call him El Hombre or The Mang if I want to.

Anyone can refer to him that way on a message board, as well. I think he’s referring specifically to journalists, but again, no one gets to choose their own nickname.

I created the first #BrendanRyan hashtag on Twitter
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog

"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009

by andi_k on Feb 27, 2010 5:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm sure someone has

I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 27, 2010 5:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Do some research and get back to us.

Forget it, spants. It's Chinatown. - tom s.

by spants on Feb 27, 2010 5:40 PM EST up reply actions  

snoop dogg?

I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 27, 2010 5:41 PM EST up reply actions  

That's not really a nickname.

That’s an alias, or a moniker.

Forget it, spants. It's Chinatown. - tom s.

by spants on Feb 27, 2010 5:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm just saying

there’s been a lot of people and a lot of years of nicknames, there’s an exception to every rule

I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 27, 2010 5:44 PM EST up reply actions  

And I'm saying

that you don’t get to choose your own nickname. Call him what you want, man. But if people start bitching at other people for calling Albert “El Hombre” around here, it will be incredibly annoying.

Forget it, spants. It's Chinatown. - tom s.

by spants on Feb 27, 2010 5:51 PM EST up reply actions  

This is what I was getting at.

I created the first #BrendanRyan hashtag on Twitter
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog

"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009

by andi_k on Feb 27, 2010 5:52 PM EST up reply actions  

people weren't calling him that very often until now

didn’t know there was such specific rules for nicknames!

I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 27, 2010 5:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I was almost named nick btw

I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 27, 2010 5:54 PM EST up reply actions  

the other part of it is

if people are making money off the moniker “El Hombre”, that’s probably more than Stan ever earned in the majors. image these days is not just some nebulous abstraction.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Feb 27, 2010 6:00 PM EST up reply actions  

You know who used it to make money?

The St. Louis Cardinals.

Forget it, spants. It's Chinatown. - tom s.

by spants on Feb 27, 2010 6:03 PM EST up reply actions  

exactly.

and even if it’s not the Cardinals — esp. since it’s not copyrighted, anyone can conceivably make a buck off Cardinals fans using a nickname Albert doesn’t even like.

in this case, it’d be the Cards biting the hand that feeds them. why make the franchise angry, huh?

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Feb 27, 2010 6:05 PM EST up reply actions  

No one else is using it to make money.

It’s a local nickname, and unless you read Strauss, you could go your whole life not knowing it exists.

Forget it, spants. It's Chinatown. - tom s.

by spants on Feb 27, 2010 6:07 PM EST up reply actions  

...no one???

no one at all?

fifty years ago, I’d buy that. today, i’d buy that on eBay.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Feb 27, 2010 6:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Like I said,

it’s a local nickname. And like I said in the FanPost, my license plate pays homage to El Hombre. Do you know that not one person I’ve explained it to has known what I’m talking about? And many of these people are baseball fans. I’m sure some people know what my plates mean, but not many.

Forget it, spants. It's Chinatown. - tom s.

by spants on Feb 27, 2010 6:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I just have to say...

I’ve read this thread and the fanpost, and I have agreed with everything you’ve said.

He hit it good. He hit it good.

by Jack618 on Feb 28, 2010 3:00 AM EST up reply actions  

so if no one understands what it means

I still don’t understand why you have to stress how annoying it will be when the whole world tells you to stop it. (which, yes, I agree with you it would be annoying, but honestly if you keep saying “oh yeah, screw you, I’ll call him whatever”, you’re inviting that.)

here’s the thing I don’t get: if no one gets to pick their nickname, is it okay to keep calling someone Stinky McPeesintheirpants if they say they don’t like the name? it’s clearly offensive to Albert.

do I agree with it? not necessarily. the thing is, Albert doesn’t have to justify to me why he finds it offensive. I don’t think we can just separate media and “ordinary people” when in effect it’s the same thing – we’re doing something that bothers him.

if you do something that bothers him, I don’t think there’s gonna be a mob waiting at your doorstep or anything. I don’t understand why you’re so worried about it from a couple of comments. but the logic of “oh, who cares, it’s a local nickname” … well, Albert seems to. he loves St. Louis and God we all hope he stays here. I’m just not understanding how it’s a homage if the person it’s a tribute to … finds it offensive.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Feb 28, 2010 10:23 AM EST up reply actions  

You cannot control other people.

For instance, Albert does stuff that bothers me. Like, oh I don’t know, being paid $16M a year to play baseball and then whining about a nickname he doesn’t like. (Which, by the way, he wouldn’t have to hear if Strauss stopped calling him by it.)

People on this board do things that bother me. I can’t control that. My husband does things that bother me. Can’t control him, either.

No one was stressing until you got involved.

Forget it, spants. It's Chinatown. - tom s.

by spants on Feb 28, 2010 1:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I have no horse in this race

but I am DEFINITELY okay with anybody here calling me Stinky McPeesinhispants. That would, in fact, be awesome.

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Feb 28, 2010 3:25 PM EST up reply actions  

just call me stinky mcpeesinhispants

make that your sig?

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Feb 28, 2010 5:15 PM EST up reply actions  

and if it continues to be used, like any other meme,

that creates demand.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Feb 27, 2010 6:01 PM EST up reply actions  

memes get played out

I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 27, 2010 6:01 PM EST up reply actions  

unless the reason for the meme persists

in this particular case, the parallel between transcendent players.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Feb 27, 2010 6:06 PM EST up reply actions  

it's about the only thin

i’ve ever called him besides “albert” “pujols” or “albert pujols”

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Feb 27, 2010 6:06 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah

pujols is unique enough already and it’s easy to type

I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 27, 2010 6:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I

don’t know if you are referring to me, but I am just saying, #1 is choosing your own nickname, #2 is you get it for sins committed and accept it, #3 is for performance, and #4 is people choose. In that order.

by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Feb 27, 2010 5:59 PM EST up reply actions  

my question is

what is #5?

I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 27, 2010 6:02 PM EST up reply actions  

#5 is ???

and 6 is profit!!

I created the first #BrendanRyan hashtag on Twitter
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog

"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009

by andi_k on Feb 27, 2010 6:03 PM EST up reply actions  

nicely done

I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 27, 2010 6:03 PM EST up reply actions  

This board has taught me well.

I created the first #BrendanRyan hashtag on Twitter
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog

"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009

by andi_k on Feb 27, 2010 6:05 PM EST up reply actions  

good work.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Feb 27, 2010 6:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Thought I read somewhere

that Ted Williams came up with the “Teddy Ballgame” nickname for himself?

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 27, 2010 9:45 PM EST up reply actions  

perhaps, but "teddy ballgame" is lame, anyway.

his nickname given by the fans was “the splendid splinter” [according to wikipedia] ;)

Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers

by SleepyCA on Feb 27, 2010 9:53 PM EST up reply actions  

besides, it's fine to propose a nickname and have it accepted

it’s way different to say “i don’t like the nickname you’ve given me, find something else”.

Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers

by SleepyCA on Feb 27, 2010 9:55 PM EST up reply actions  

at least

he’s doing it out of respect and not because he just doesn’t like it

by muidomi84 on Feb 27, 2010 9:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe that's just a ruse.

Forget it, spants. It's Chinatown. - tom s.

by spants on Feb 28, 2010 12:26 AM EST up reply actions  

only journalist?

like pacman jones?

I am the Batman .
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.

by CodyG on Feb 27, 2010 9:49 PM EST up reply actions  

MATT HOLLIDAY THIS IS NOT WHAT WE MEAN BY MAN STEW

IT DOES NOT MEAN BACON LUNG

Four #Cardinals at home/sent home with flu-like symptoms today: Schumaker, Lohse, Hawksworth and R. Stock. #stlcards 20 minutes ago via web

In other zingers…

@dgoold Holliday brought more than a great attitude to camp, it sounds like!
41 minutes ago via TweetDeck in reply to dgoold
@C70 He brought TVs.
6 minutes ago via web in reply to C70

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Feb 27, 2010 11:21 AM EST reply actions  

I guess hand-washing is not a baseball fundamental.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Feb 27, 2010 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

It's possibe that

Holliday contracted something nasty from that baseball last October.

Writer and editor for sprayahen.com

by Briannnn on Feb 27, 2010 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

and in L.A.... oh boy

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Feb 27, 2010 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Just ask Moises Alou.

…captain pee-hands.

Note: Above comment may contain gratuitous amounts of sarcasm.

BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS

by vexedtechie on Feb 27, 2010 8:21 PM EST up reply actions  

typhoid matty.

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Feb 27, 2010 1:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Dave McKay also.......

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Feb 27, 2010 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

or

a possible vector?

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Feb 27, 2010 2:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Rosenthalis reporting it is a 1M deal,plus incentives

by the end of the weekend, i expect Felipe will be playing for the league minimum.

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Feb 27, 2010 12:25 PM EST reply actions  

And he'll have turned into Alex Rodriguez.

"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols

by splhcb67 on Feb 27, 2010 12:26 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah

this deal keeps getting better

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Feb 27, 2010 12:56 PM EST up reply actions  

watch Bernie

misspell Diedre’s name.

some clubhouse tidbits

Cardinals coach Mark McGwire and special instructor Mike Matheny, who were St. Louis teammates in 2000 and 2001, have reconnected their friendship in spring training. … Cardinals closer Ryan Franklin jokes that if Kyle McClellan becomes the team’s fifth starter, the bullpen will have no choice but to disown McClellan. … Franklin also tells us that lefty reliever Dennys Reyes’ nickname is “Big Sweat.”

So it seems Diner retained his old nickname.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Feb 27, 2010 12:50 PM EST reply actions  

Damn you good reporter....

I have to business with Amazon again.

* is an Asshat
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Feb 27, 2010 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

it's probably sold elsewhere

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Feb 27, 2010 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

same publisher as jay mcgwires new book

I wounder what goold thinks about that…

"There's a lot of things we say that don't make sense to our viewers. Okay, primarily me." ~Al Hrabosky~

by YesWeOquendo on Feb 27, 2010 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

lesee

B&N, Borders

you can buy it in India

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Feb 27, 2010 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Thank you, sir.

* is an Asshat
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Feb 27, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

gee-d
Blake Hawksworth, Skip Schumaker, Kyle Lohse and Robert Stock all were sick and missed Saturday’s workout. Coach Dave McKay was also ill and stayed away from the Cardinals complex.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Feb 27, 2010 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

You misspelled it, too.

It’s “Deidre.”

Forget it, spants. It's Chinatown. - tom s.

by spants on Feb 27, 2010 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I knew there was a reason I call her Dee Dee

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Feb 27, 2010 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Who uses VEB on a 3g phone?

I’m thinking of picking up a used Mytouch 3G on Tmobile. Does VEB load ok if there aren’t 7 trillion comments?

by sdrone on Feb 27, 2010 1:12 PM EST reply actions  

VEB on an iphone kinda sucks

the loading time isn’t the bad part, either

it doesn’t delineate between read and unread comments is the worst part. if you’re looking for a specific reply, it’s not so bad. also when there’s like 700 comments it does take a while to load and a while to scroll through

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Feb 27, 2010 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

VEB on the Mytouch is very similar

it seems to load fine, but it’s almost a waste of time b/c you can’t tell which comments are new.

"I think he's the best hitter of all time. I think there has never been a better hitter than him. And I know I didn't see them all, but I just don't think there could be." - Adam Wainwright on The Mang

by bmorgan on Feb 27, 2010 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

well, yeah

I think that’s an SBN issue, I’ve emailed them requesting a feature that marks read comments, who’ll know what will come of it. And if you have a wireless connection available, make sure you’re connecting through that and not 3G, it’s a lot faster.

by mattyp on Feb 27, 2010 2:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't know.

My iPod Touch doesn’t seem to like VEB much, either.

Forget it, spants. It's Chinatown. - tom s.

by spants on Feb 27, 2010 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

same on my blackberry

i pretty much just read the main story when I’m on the road and skip the comments.

Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers

by SleepyCA on Feb 27, 2010 3:27 PM EST up reply actions  

And that's basically what I want

To check the main story when I’m away from home on vacation or whatever.

Thanks for the info, guys.

by sdrone on Feb 27, 2010 3:29 PM EST up reply actions  

then an iphone/ipod touch will work fine

on class days, i sit and read the main story while i wait for class to start

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Feb 27, 2010 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

i have a mytouch

and reading the veb main posts can be somewhat troubling. it’s zoomed in just enough to where you have to scroll back & forth to read it and that’s as zoomed out as you can go. it’s still possible to read it, but it’s not very convenient.

"I think he's the best hitter of all time. I think there has never been a better hitter than him. And I know I didn't see them all, but I just don't think there could be." - Adam Wainwright on The Mang

by bmorgan on Feb 27, 2010 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I use a Palm Pre on a 3G network

and VEB works just fine, if a bit slow, except that I can’t Z through comments

I created the first #BrendanRyan hashtag on Twitter
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog

"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009

by andi_k on Feb 27, 2010 5:40 PM EST up reply actions  

HAHAHAHA I WANT PICTURES.

I don’t care if this is all-caps, but I wanna see this reported.

  • Watching coach pitch scrimmage with improvised seat of pants rules and Brendan Ryan at ump. Hilarity ensues. #stlcards
    25 minutes ago via Tweetie
  • Sure enough, @TonyLaRussa changes rule so that losing team’s 9th-inning runs are worth 3, so DJones scores Rasmus for victory. #stlcards
    10 minutes ago via web
  • @benariweixlmann Yes, starting second baseman on the Pujols team (INF: Pujols, Lopez, Lugo, Freese). Let the overreacting begin. #stlcards
    3 minutes ago via web in reply to benariweixlmann

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Feb 27, 2010 1:24 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

i freaking love brendan ryan.

that is all.

"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR

by IHeartBoog on Feb 27, 2010 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

this is frickin epic
  • Coach Dyar Miller called pitch that he got a swing-and-miss from DJones in coaches game a “screw change.” Not bad for 63. #stlcards 12 minutes ago via web
  • @benariweixlmann Couldn’t tell. Too many flyballs. Coaches didn’t get the ball down enough. 11 minutes ago via web in reply to benariweixlmann

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Feb 27, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

gee-d is all over it

fake blockquote
Team Molina beats Team LaRue 11-10 in first coaches game of spring

An unscheduled coach-pitch game broke out at Cardinals camp on Saturday with Team Molina edging out a 11-10 win over Team LaRue.

Minor league pitching coach Dyar Miller served as the pitcher for both teams, giving up an RBI double to Lopez in his first Cardinals at-bat. Albert Pujols had an RBI single and David Freese had a two-run double that gave team Molina an early 4-0 lead in the first inning and prompted La Russa to say, "This is like the USA vs Finland."

The score got as bad as 11-1 before La Russa changed the rules in the 9th inning (which actually was about the third inning) and awarded three runs for each run scored by team LaRue in the ninth.

Team LaRue scored three in the ninth thanks to an RBI double by Colby Rasmus to make the score 11-10. Daryl Jones, after swinging and missing at a nasty curveball by Miller, followed with a single to center. Rasmus was safe on a close play at the plate but La Russa awarded the win to team Molina (which had LaRue catching in the last inning).

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Feb 27, 2010 2:22 PM EST up reply actions  

dyar (curve) maker?

Seriously,63yo bullpen arm? I’m game. If hoffman can do it, dyar can.

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by tom s. on Feb 27, 2010 2:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

.......sign Dyar Miller?

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
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by Yadi2Second on Feb 27, 2010 2:39 PM EST up reply actions  

dgoold hurries to correct bj rains

@BJRains Final score was 13-11. Last run counted for 3, per @TonyLaRussa’s change-on-the-fly rules to fix the game. #stlcards

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
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by Yadi2Second on Feb 27, 2010 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

bj squabbles

@dgoold Tony said that run didn’t count and awarded the 11-10 win to the fielding team. less than a minute ago via web in reply to dgoold

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Feb 27, 2010 2:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Boog is in the hot seat

@BJRains Confirmation from the umpire. He ruled Rasmus safe, 13-11. But @TonyLaRussa overruled on “hustle clause” to change score, 11-10.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Feb 27, 2010 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

sorry. doghouse.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Feb 27, 2010 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

the dogseat is actually a good thing

I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 27, 2010 3:51 PM EST up reply actions  

looks safe to me


nice camera work though
/instant replay debate begin!

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by YesWeOquendo on Feb 27, 2010 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

it's hilarious that the reporters are goin' nuts over this

Leach’s blog:

The Cards held an impromptu coaches’ game at the end of today’s workout. A coaches’ game is a scrimmage where a coach throws batting practice, but the players play defense and run the bases.

Albert Pujols’ team defeated Matt Holliday’s team, 11-10, though that’s a bit misleading. TLR tends to change the rules as coaches’ games go along. Today, the Pujols team was leading 11-1 going into the bottom of the final inning, when the manager declared that any and all runs scored by the Holliday team would count three times.

They scored three times, counting for nine runs, making it 11-10. And that’s when it got entertaining.

Dyar Miller, pitching to Daryl Jones, cut loose some decidedly non-BP-style pitches, including a nasty changeup that Jones just waved at. He finally came right over the plate, and Jones jumped it for a base hit. Colby Rasmus came around in an attempt to score, and ducked Jason LaRue’s tag for the apparent game-winning run(s).

We found out later, though, that TLR had disallowed the score on account of a “hustle clause” which apparently gave credit to the defensive team for making a valiant effort to get the run at home. The scribes were given this information later by Brendan Ryan, who served as the umpire.

BTW, don’t get too worked up about this. Every year somebody thinks that something that happened in the coaches’ game is an indicator of TLR favoritism or unhappiness in the clubhouse or some conspiracy or something. It’s not. It’s all in fun. Everybody was smiling as they walked off the field.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Feb 27, 2010 5:04 PM EST up reply actions  

It's all fun and games

until Dyar Miller cuts loose with his nasty changeup.

Look for the MLBPA to get the hustle clause written into the next CBA.

I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.

by The Continental on Feb 27, 2010 5:10 PM EST up reply actions  

blue ribbon panel!

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Feb 27, 2010 5:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Correct me if I am wrong.

But Pujols and Lopex hit it off well in 08 right?

by Evilfrog on Feb 27, 2010 2:15 PM EST reply actions  

albert is friends with all beings

everyone says they hit it off, yes. as above, seems he picked him for his team.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Feb 27, 2010 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

correct, one of the links from the GD

says that they are actual friends

adding to the Manstew

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Feb 27, 2010 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

when the phillies are in town, placido will probably drop by and Dee Dee can serve the watered-down homerun chicken

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Feb 27, 2010 2:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Lopex should be the new nickname

I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 27, 2010 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Tipping pitches......

And so it begins.

Pujols pulled Wainwright aside during the session when he noticed he might be tipping his pitches.

* is an Asshat
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Feb 27, 2010 2:50 PM EST reply actions  

I believe he said Waino was tipping his changeup by slowing down his motion

[source needed], but I read that somewhere.

I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...

by mojowo11 on Feb 27, 2010 7:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes.....

and Albert was the only one out of the group that picked it up. Source is the same link I put up.

* is an Asshat
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Feb 27, 2010 7:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Waino does tip his pitches a little

So does Carp. But it’s not a big problem given the quality of their stuff and their control.

by vivaelpujols on Feb 28, 2010 1:03 AM EST up reply actions  

So if McCellan is the 5th starter

Who makes the bullpen

Franklin
Motte
Boggs
Hawksworth
5th RHP
Miller
Reyes

So does Hill have a chance of making the team as the final spot and 3rd lefty? PJ Walters or Kinney? Salas or Sanchez?

Seems like we could still use another bullpen arm if someone doesn’t step up

by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 27, 2010 3:26 PM EST reply actions  

I still think Hill will end up starting.

They are already relying on a few rooks. More uncertainty can’t be that good.

In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Feb 27, 2010 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah

I think Hill will be our 5th starter unless the surgery didn’t help

I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 27, 2010 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Hill provides added uncertainty

of the “can he throw the ball within 2 yards of the catcher’s mitt” sort.

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Feb 28, 2010 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I have learned to not think about the pen until at least a month into ST

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Feb 27, 2010 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I think with Hill

it just depends on if he is effective in spring training. if he pitches like he did for the cubs recently, he ain’t gonna make it

I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 27, 2010 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

first horrific news of ST

MatthewHLeach Creed audible from the workout room next door. Wonder if that counts as an OSHA violation.

@MatthewHLeach Is it @mattholliday7? He is a Creed fan. 25 minutes ago via web in reply to MatthewHLeach

@anthowatson I’m guessing he’s gone for the day. I honestly felt bad for him, with how wounded he seemed to be about the blowback on that. 25 minutes ago via web in reply to anthowatson

@MatthewHLeach Agree. Sounded like he had a ton of followers bashing him for casually mentioning Creed. Hoping it doesn’t affect his tweets 21 minutes ago via web in reply to MatthewHLeach

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Feb 27, 2010 3:48 PM EST reply actions  

TMI. Some things I don't want to know...

Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers

by SleepyCA on Feb 27, 2010 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

sorry. i rec collapsing thread.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Feb 27, 2010 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I saw the Holliday tweet about Creed a week or two ago

shows the bubble some of these guys live in (probably a good thing I guess)

I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 27, 2010 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

everyone has their guilty pleasures

hell, I still throw on some 311 from time to time (granted, they are a lot cooler than creed though, it’s all relative)

I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 27, 2010 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm more ... piqued is the wrong word -- interested that he's just signed

and getting a hard time already

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Feb 27, 2010 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

well

it is creed…

I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 27, 2010 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Leach clarifies

there’s more than one Creed fan.

MatthewHLeach EVERYONE: Holliday is long gone for today. It was someone else. I assure you, Matt Holliday is FAR from the only Creed fan in baseball. 2 minutes ago via web

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Feb 27, 2010 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

It was me, guys. 'Member how I told you I got promoted to resident benchwarmer?

It’s true. I was listening to Creed.

True story; you’ll see creed on this list.

Note: Above comment may contain gratuitous amounts of sarcasm.

BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS

by vexedtechie on Feb 27, 2010 8:32 PM EST up reply actions  

You bastard.

* is an Asshat
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Feb 27, 2010 8:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Redemption with immediate listening to Flock of Seagulls and Corey Hart?

Note: Above comment may contain gratuitous amounts of sarcasm.

BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS

by vexedtechie on Feb 27, 2010 8:37 PM EST up reply actions  

we have floppy pics

in a small new set of pics

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Feb 27, 2010 4:04 PM EST reply actions  

man

I really want one of those windbreakers… they are awesome

I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 27, 2010 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

this is poetic:

the nervous chewing…
link

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Feb 27, 2010 4:12 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah

look at Lugo…

I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 27, 2010 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

says it all, really.

with a burning laser.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Feb 27, 2010 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

here's the whole gang

yeah, skip feels ill

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Feb 27, 2010 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

boog thinks it's all good

hehe

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Feb 27, 2010 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

is Brendan kinda tall

or is Felipe just really short?

I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 27, 2010 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

he's tall and weedy

here’s their heights

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Feb 27, 2010 4:20 PM EST up reply actions  

sugar shane is TINY

compare him and Skip

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Feb 27, 2010 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

didn't realize Holliday was that tall

here’s the tallness ranking:

Waino
Carp
Jukich
Ottavino
Boggs
Penny
Walters
Holliday
Mather
Ludwick
Pujols
Dennys
Miller
Hawk
Frank
Garcia
Lohse
McClellan
Freese
Boog
Rasmus
Craig
Lugo
Motte
Lopez
Yadi
Cowboy
Skip

we have some tallass pitchers! I’m somewhere between Yadi and Motte in height

I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 27, 2010 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

like I said

our pitchers are tall enough for third base

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Feb 27, 2010 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

whoa

They’re letting Pete Kozma sit at the big boy table…

Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers

by SleepyCA on Feb 27, 2010 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

What's Boog doing with a box of Raisinets?

I created the first #BrendanRyan hashtag on Twitter
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog

"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009

by andi_k on Feb 27, 2010 5:47 PM EST up reply actions  

uhhh it's that or the shoulder?

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Feb 27, 2010 5:54 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

they were tired of replacing his jerseys daily

I created the first #BrendanRyan hashtag on Twitter
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog

"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009

by andi_k on Feb 27, 2010 5:56 PM EST up reply actions  

nice

I like this set

Rich Hill still makes me go wtf

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Feb 27, 2010 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Question!

Is the Floppy signing a bigger deal than the Brad Penny signing?

"There's a lot of things we say that don't make sense to our viewers. Okay, primarily me." ~Al Hrabosky~

by YesWeOquendo on Feb 27, 2010 4:12 PM EST reply actions  

Brad Penny's much bigger

…oh, wait.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Feb 27, 2010 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think so

especially not monetarily

I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 27, 2010 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

a penny type signing

was much more imperative

but this a big deal simply because of how good of a deal it is

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Feb 27, 2010 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

watching the sandlot now

I miss you, baseball

I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 27, 2010 4:19 PM EST reply actions  

Or perhaps,

Arise and do my bidding…

Anyway, I always love how serious Albert is in ST.

Play ball!

by IL and StL Fan on Feb 27, 2010 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Im fairly sure...

He is using levitation in this picture. Or he could be a jedi. He is Albert Pujols.

Bird is the word.

by The_teague on Feb 27, 2010 4:51 PM EST up reply actions  

there is a pic of AJ flying

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Feb 27, 2010 4:54 PM EST up reply actions  

like this

I am superhuman, just like dad

I created the first #BrendanRyan hashtag on Twitter
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog

"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009

by andi_k on Feb 27, 2010 5:50 PM EST up reply actions  

guess I should have linked to the pic instead

I created the first #BrendanRyan hashtag on Twitter
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog

"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009

by andi_k on Feb 27, 2010 5:59 PM EST up reply actions  

don't like his beard

reminds me of david ortiz

"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."
/Downs Franklins

by BVHeck on Feb 27, 2010 9:14 PM EST up reply actions  

tsunami's coming in to big island.

so’s some surfer.

Ironically Tsunami Museum is in the line of fire.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Feb 27, 2010 4:57 PM EST reply actions  

OT

this guy’s probably my favorite guitarist

http://www.myspace.com/nelscline

I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 27, 2010 5:00 PM EST reply actions  

looks more technoviking-ish than giving of props

"There's a lot of things we say that don't make sense to our viewers. Okay, primarily me." ~Al Hrabosky~

by YesWeOquendo on Feb 27, 2010 5:54 PM EST up reply actions  

unicorns love us.

http://twitter.com/sbolen/status/9747513635

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Feb 27, 2010 5:06 PM EST reply actions  

ugh

university admissions essays

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Feb 27, 2010 5:15 PM EST reply actions  

apropos of nothing

Forget it, spants. It's Chinatown. - tom s.

by spants on Feb 27, 2010 5:19 PM EST reply actions  

oh lord

Forget it, spants. It's Chinatown. - tom s.

by spants on Feb 27, 2010 5:24 PM EST up reply actions  

well that picture

is just begging for some photoshopping. Get on it, Vexed. I say riding a unicorn with spear in hand.

by mattyp on Feb 27, 2010 6:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Unicorn or pegacorn?

Note: Above comment may contain gratuitous amounts of sarcasm.

BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS

by vexedtechie on Feb 27, 2010 8:39 PM EST up reply actions  

pegacorn........

I still vote for bacon wings as well.

* is an Asshat
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Feb 27, 2010 8:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Someone's already done that...

Note: Above comment may contain gratuitous amounts of sarcasm.

BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS

by vexedtechie on Feb 27, 2010 8:47 PM EST up reply actions  

a narwal

I am the Batman .
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.

by CodyG on Feb 27, 2010 9:45 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

*narwhal

I am the Batman .
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.

by CodyG on Feb 27, 2010 9:46 PM EST up reply actions  

YES!

Do it!

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥

by ClemsonGirl on Feb 27, 2010 9:51 PM EST up reply actions  

god...

my brother loves singing that stupid song….

by muidomi84 on Feb 27, 2010 9:53 PM EST up reply actions  

FTFY

 god…

my brother loves singing that stupid incredible song….

I am the Batman .
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.

by CodyG on Feb 27, 2010 10:14 PM EST up reply actions  

vexed where's our narwhal pic?

Gimp is acting weird for me, and I could never get photoshop to work on my system.

I am the Batman .
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.

by CodyG on Feb 28, 2010 2:38 AM EST up reply actions  

bad news for skippy. albert's repaired

Elbow has made him feel like working on his double play pivot.

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Feb 27, 2010 8:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Air Yadi

I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 27, 2010 5:34 PM EST up reply actions  

makes Lopez sound like an insurance plan that covers everything

I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 27, 2010 6:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Lopez Mutual

Forget it, spants. It's Chinatown. - tom s.

by spants on Feb 27, 2010 6:16 PM EST up reply actions  

yes

I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 27, 2010 6:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Yay! It sounds like he's been working out his daddy issues

context

I’m not being facetious. I really want to like him. I just don’t want to get burned again because I found him really frustrating in 2008.

I created the first #BrendanRyan hashtag on Twitter
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog

"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009

by andi_k on Feb 27, 2010 6:18 PM EST up reply actions  

what

you didn’t like his .385 BA and .538 SLG in 43 games? I’ll admit, he looked pretty shaky on D at times, but I think he can get over that (he must have really hated it in Washington)

I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 27, 2010 6:20 PM EST up reply actions  

No, I LOVED his hitting; was just frustrated by the D

I created the first #BrendanRyan hashtag on Twitter
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog

"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009

by andi_k on Feb 27, 2010 6:27 PM EST up reply actions  

so you want to like him except for his defense right?

sounds like he is a really good guy, bought his family houses and spent most of his money on them. thanks for the linky

I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 27, 2010 6:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, and I don't want him to keep Brendan Ryan from being

Our Shortstop Of The Future (or Present, as it were)

I created the first #BrendanRyan hashtag on Twitter
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog

"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009

by andi_k on Feb 27, 2010 6:30 PM EST up reply actions  

neither do I

the only way that will happen though is he is torrid on offense, at which point, you couldn’t really bench him anyway. plus I think they see him as playing whatever position that suits tony’s whims

I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 27, 2010 6:31 PM EST up reply actions  

His attitude also sounds a lot better now

I created the first #BrendanRyan hashtag on Twitter
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog

"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009

by andi_k on Feb 27, 2010 6:31 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah

I am drawing some interesting parallels to him and Ank after reading this article. I think a lot of Ank’s issues go back to his abusive father

I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 27, 2010 6:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree

The story I couldn’t find but wanted to link to is the one that explains how Lopez’s dad was one of those scary, controlling Little League fathers who would actually beat him whenever he made mistakes in the field or at bat. Supposedly it got so bad he had to go live with relatives.

I created the first #BrendanRyan hashtag on Twitter
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog

"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009

by andi_k on Feb 27, 2010 6:38 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah

it said he couldn’t live with his dad anymore, and that his dad is a non-issue because he doesn’t care about him. also a weird situation with his mother. he probably just had a lot of unresolved issues from his past when he was with washington, and being stuck on a crappy basement dweller team probably just made him depressed.

I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 27, 2010 6:42 PM EST up reply actions  

hey andi

what’s the index of daddy issues for this year’s club?

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Feb 27, 2010 11:37 PM EST up reply actions  

hmmm...gotta think about that one

It’s dropped significantly with Ankiel gone.

I created the first #BrendanRyan hashtag on Twitter
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog

"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009

by andi_k on Mar 1, 2010 10:01 PM EST up reply actions  

After a quick perusal of the 40-man

Only a few jump out at me:

Floppy
: Deep-seated, documented abuse issues. He seems to be working them out.

Colby
: Speculation re: meddling and control issues, some documented via dad’s blog entries. Colby claims he knew nothing but “baseball, baseball, baseball” until he unexpectedly found himself a father. Rick Horton asked Colby if he enjoyed traveling the country with a major-league club and experiencing new places, to which Colby replied that he didn’t have anything on his mind but baseball and pretty much went straight to bed. Lack of intellectual curiosity? Possibly. Trained from birth for one thing only? Almost definitely.

Boog: We know the story here. Youngest child, fourteen years removed from closest sibling (sure sounds like one of those “happy accident” children), strong need for attention and approval from very successful and somewhat distant lawyer father who was also a pretty good college ballplayer. Daddy died before he got to the bigs. Brendan has plenty to prove to the world.



Without Baby Dunc and Rick, our team seems significantly better-adjusted. Also, I believe all of Dunc’s daddy issues were externally placed on him by fans. I don’t think there were any problems between father and son, only that he experienced difficulty playing on a team where his father was a coach because of claims of nepotism. I still feel Chris was maligned unfairly by fans. Obviously, he wasn’t spectacular in the field, but he tried very hard to learn a new position and sacrificed his body for the team. His neck injury is believed to have happened breaking up this double play (that’s Jimmy Rollins tumbling):



I’ll still miss watching Chris break up double plays.




As I obviously have an interest in players with daddy issues, I’ll be sure to share any new ones I observe over the season. Amateur sports psychology!!!

I created the first #BrendanRyan hashtag on Twitter
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog

"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009

by andi_k on Mar 1, 2010 10:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I wonder if Freese has some issues

he sure likes to hit the bottle!

I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 3, 2010 11:38 AM EST up reply actions  

I wondered that myself.

I created the first #BrendanRyan hashtag on Twitter
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog

"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009

by andi_k on Mar 4, 2010 10:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Lugo is just as frustrating on defense, but not as good w/ the stick.

So, I’m pretty pleased.

Forget it, spants. It's Chinatown. - tom s.

by spants on Feb 27, 2010 6:21 PM EST up reply actions  

as can be Skippy

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Feb 27, 2010 6:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Indeed.

He was a better defender the second half, though.

Forget it, spants. It's Chinatown. - tom s.

by spants on Feb 27, 2010 6:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I think he will be fine with the glove

I think Lopez’s problems with the glove will be overrated. I only remember being upset with him in the field a couple times. His bat more than makes up for that.

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Feb 27, 2010 6:33 PM EST up reply actions  

yup

plus he gets to go through ST with Oquendo, that should help

I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 27, 2010 6:36 PM EST up reply actions  

That's true.

My concern with Lopez is a little fear in the back of my mind that he could usurp B Ryan’s position. No chance of that with Lugo, in my opinion.

I created the first #BrendanRyan hashtag on Twitter
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog

"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009

by andi_k on Feb 27, 2010 6:28 PM EST up reply actions  

That probably won't happen.

Unless Brendan screws up royally.

Forget it, spants. It's Chinatown. - tom s.

by spants on Feb 27, 2010 6:33 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah

even Tony views him as a starter now

I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 27, 2010 6:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Crossing my fingers.

I guess he does have his own bucket, so he’s got that at least

I created the first #BrendanRyan hashtag on Twitter
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog

"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009

by andi_k on Feb 27, 2010 6:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Been out of the loop for a couple weeks

couple quick notes

1. Why would you wait til a couple weeks before ST to get surgery one of the most important parts of a baseball players body? And shouldn’t the cardinals be checking on their players in the offseason to make sure they are feeling good? The Brendan Ryan situation is perplexing to say the least.
2. I don’t think Lopez was always in the offseason plans for Mo, but he sure did wait him out beautifully once we realized we could use him. That deal looks to be the steal of the offseason.
3. And I know lopez isn’t with Boras anymore, but I still take some pleasure in this deal…I feel like we kinda stuck it to scotty…and i like it

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

by VolsnCards5 on Feb 27, 2010 6:18 PM EST reply actions  

#1: see Glaus…. who knows? it’s definitely annoying that we have had this problem the last 2 years
#2: I believe Mo… and it certainly is a great deal
#3: yeah, it’s like getting karma back from paying all that money to Holliday

I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 27, 2010 6:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh yeahhhhh!!

I love Joey Bombs and Brendan Ryan together. Synergistic effect on humor level or something

I created the first #BrendanRyan hashtag on Twitter
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog

"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009

by andi_k on Feb 27, 2010 6:34 PM EST up reply actions  

that's awesome

grandpa stavi, heh

I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 27, 2010 6:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Joey Bombsquad!

I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.

by The Continental on Feb 27, 2010 6:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Kinda funny, they're all just walking away and leaving him there at the end

“Hey, guys! Where ya goin? Wait for me! Wanna go to a movie later? No? OK…no, that’s cool, maybe tomorrow. Does anyone know who put BenGay in my jockstrap? Guys?”

by BTown Birds fan on Feb 27, 2010 7:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Negro Leagues Articles

Here’s a thumbs up on the articles- I think they’re very interesting.

by hotwater2 on Feb 27, 2010 6:38 PM EST reply actions  

indeed.

great work as usual, tom.

* is an Asshat
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Feb 27, 2010 7:20 PM EST up reply actions  

my god

has anyone used chatroulette.com

fail in humanity being lost

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Feb 27, 2010 10:11 PM EST reply actions  

also faith

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Feb 27, 2010 10:12 PM EST up reply actions  

nexted

I am the Batman .
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.

by CodyG on Feb 27, 2010 10:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I read an article about it

and knew I was never going to try that.

Forget it, spants. It's Chinatown. - tom s.

by spants on Feb 28, 2010 12:27 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm in the middle

of reading that Brashler book about Josh Gibson. Very much enjoying it.

Which of the others would you recommend for next, Tom?

Guys like Bradley are exactly why we can't have a pumpkin patch anymore.

by liam on Feb 27, 2010 10:43 PM EST reply actions  

brashler's book is good. both o'neil's autobiography and the posnanski book are very good.

i actually like the homestead grays book “in the shadow of the senators.”

the holway book is a tremendous resource as a reference, but hard to read as a “read from page one to the end book” – the sol white book is one of the better general history books, though focused on the pre-1920 history.

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Feb 27, 2010 11:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I think I'd like to go back to no interleague play and not having the all star game decide world series home field

the main thing that needs fixing imo is the wild card round should be 7 games, and possibly shortening the season by a few games

I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 28, 2010 12:37 AM EST up reply actions  

but then winter would be longer.

Imho all stadiums should be retractable-roof domes, and the season should be 200 games, with 2 rounds of 7-game playoffs and a 9 game WS.

Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers

by SleepyCA on Feb 28, 2010 12:47 AM EST up reply actions  

they should have a winter league with beer guzzling kenny powers types

I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 28, 2010 12:50 AM EST up reply actions  

"A man fights and fights and then fights some more...

…because surrender is death. And death is for pussies."

Note: Above comment may contain gratuitous amounts of sarcasm.

BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS

by vexedtechie on Feb 28, 2010 1:22 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

the players could be sponsored by beer companies

I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 28, 2010 1:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Or Schaffer BMW?

“woo”

Note: Above comment may contain gratuitous amounts of sarcasm.

BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS

by vexedtechie on Feb 28, 2010 1:29 AM EST up reply actions  

"I’m a bulletproof tiger man!"

I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 28, 2010 1:44 AM EST up reply actions  

"How much you give me to slam dunk this tray in the trash can?"

Note: Above comment may contain gratuitous amounts of sarcasm.

BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS

by vexedtechie on Feb 28, 2010 2:01 AM EST up reply actions  

yes

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going

by sportsman on Feb 28, 2010 12:48 AM EST up reply actions  

It really is.

Forget it, spants. It's Chinatown. - tom s.

by spants on Feb 28, 2010 1:28 AM EST up reply actions  

in a "thank GOB I grew up in Farmington, MO

and not Birmingham, MO", kind of way.

I can’t imagine how awful it would be to be a Royals fan, or a Pirates fan, or an Orioles fan, etc. We are truly blessed.

Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers

by SleepyCA on Feb 28, 2010 2:49 AM EST up reply actions  

we are

or a Cubs fan hahahahah. or Nationals…

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 28, 2010 2:51 AM EST up reply actions  

almost 3 AM roll call?

im guessing nobody

I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.

Resident malcontented betamale

by slu on Feb 28, 2010 3:37 AM EST reply actions  

here

I am the Batman .
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.

by CodyG on Feb 28, 2010 4:36 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I had a late night friday night and got up kinda early on sat.

so I crashed a little early last night

I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 28, 2010 3:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Breaking News!

A source close to Ken Rosenthal has informed him that the Japanese have bombed Pearl Harbor.

You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all.
-- Earl Weaver

by Smokin Turkeys on Feb 28, 2010 5:20 AM EST reply actions  

oh noes!

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Feb 28, 2010 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

black ballplayers

somewhere in all these comments must be a discussion of why or not there are so few black ballplayers today.

One needn’t work that hard to determine who were good ballplayers, whether the black leagues were tougher than the white ones, etc. Just look at the quality of play once the floodgates broke open, allowing free access to all the leagues. In basketball, there is little doubt who are the best players. In football, most of the skilled players and the best defensive players are black. While black players competed in baseball, they were as good, maybe a shade better at some skills than whites — running, fielding, hitting and throwing come to mind :) That there are fewer blacks today is a shame, but the quality of black athletes in other sports lets you know that baseball players (of any race) are not particularly high on the ranks of ‘athletes’. Particular skillsets are needed that athletes in other sports don’t usually possess. Pujols, by the way, isn’t a very good tight end or shooting guard.

by EisforEverett on Mar 1, 2010 4:31 PM EST reply actions  

It's a social thing

it’s got nothing to do with black people or white people being “better” at certain athletic skills.

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Mar 2, 2010 7:38 AM EST up reply actions  

also

I think that in the inner city, baseball isn’t exactly a super popular sport, it’s more set up for basketball

I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 3, 2010 11:39 AM EST up reply actions  

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