a brief social history of african-american baseball
hola amigos, i know it's been a long time since i rapped at ya posted something substantive but i've been unable to keep up with my sources on revisiting negro league baseball. when i have had time to read, i've been simply unable to put down "the soul of baseball: a trip through buck o'neill's america" by joe posnanski, [many thanks to rosevilleredbird] which may be the best sports book i've ever read, and may actually rank pretty high on the list of best non-fiction books i've ever read. while praise for posnanski is easy to come across here, it struck me as i read that posnanski is not really a sports writer. posnanski writes about people; he simply happens to write about people who play sports.
it's hard to talk about the negro leagues and not feel like you're talking about something much bigger than baseball. so i will join joe and ken burns and lots of other folks and talk a little bit about the backdrop of the game. specifically, i was thinking about why the game developed in the way that it did. what made african-american baseball blossom between 1920 and 1950? i hope you'll forgive me if i try and write a little piece about the context of the league in history that's not a typical VEB front page piece.
as i touched on in a somewhat scattershot manner two weeks ago (some of the following is repetition, just because the first post was so poorly organized; i apologize), african-american baseball has a long history, starting from the mid-1800's. in april 1865, the civil war ended. that year, the first formal african-american teams began to play, including a washington, d.c. team featuring two sons of frederick douglass on the field.
the first truly remarkable period came in the 1880's. remember for a minute where the country was. for ten years after the civil war, the country was tremendously polarized. radical republicans from the north rammed through legislation, including three constitutional amendments banning slavery, creating legal equality along racial lines, and granting the vote to african-american men. in response, the ku klux klan was formed, and lynchings established a new racial order; african-americans would be free but not equal in the south. after the closely-contested election of 1876, radical republicanism lost its hold on national politics.
in this context of waning movement towards integration, several african-american players joined white leagues. two players - fleet walker and his brother welday - played for a toledo team that joined the american association, part of the major leagues at that time. other african-american players played for white minor league teams. george stovey pitched for the jersey city team in the international league, setting international league records that still stand today. stovey had an ERA of 1.13 in 1886, winning 16 games and holding opponents to a .167 BAA. he only posted a braden looperesque 16-15 record, showing that pitcher won-loss records were stupid statistics even then.
however, integrated leagues would not last beyond the decade. america was not ready for integration; as noted above, the pendulum of national sentiment had begun to move away from integration even before the african-american players joined the white leagues. white ballplayers made their teammates increasingly unwelcome. cap anson is frequently credited with drawing the color line in baseball; though he was surely one of the more vehement and prominent proponents of segregation, anson lacked the authority to segregate baseball on his own. integrated teams simply found little support among white players or fans. by 1889, no black players were allowed in the international league. by 1899 - three years after the supreme court's "separate but equal" decision in plessy v. ferguson - bill galloway would mark the last of black players in white leagues for almost fifty years, playing 20 games for a team in the canadian league.
the trade-off was that baseball played by african-americans for african american audiences became more and more important. the first legendary team was the cuban giants. formed in 1885, the team sought to pass as "cubans" because the social stigma against being a dark-skinned cuban was less strong than that against being an american-born black. the cuban giants quickly became the greatest team among the african-american teams.
few teams lasted long in the late 19th-century though; players bounced from team to team; teams disbanded and reformed under different names or in other cities. most players from the cuban giants jumped to a team called the big gorhams. based in new york, the gorhams included the aforementioned stovey who remained among the best pitchers of the day. confusingly, a new team called the cuban x-giants formed in 1895 populated by many players who had previously played for the cuban giants. during this era, black players also began to travel to cuba and puerto rico in the offseason to play ball in areas where the color of their skin was less of a problem.
early in the 20th century, the game played by african-americans would be dominated by the philadelphia giants for several years, with only a few major teams on the east coast comprising the major black teams. by 1910, the center of gravity for black baseball began to shift, to the chicago american giants and the new york lincoln giants. the st. louis giants appeared in 1911; the club would be succeeded by the st. louis stars in 1920. john henry lloyd would make a hall of fame career for new york. oscar charleston - often mentioned in the same breath as willie mays - took the field for indianapolis in 1915.
in 1920, the official negro league was formed. the experiment was not just about baseball. integration was coming, some felt sure. the best way to ensure integration in baseball would happen would be to have an excellent league with elite players ready to compete in the majors. from 1920 on, the league would mark a heyday for black baseball until the league was killed by its own success, by the integration of its best players into the major leagues.
so why did this era become a heyday? why cool papa bell and satchel paige and not george stovey and fleet walker? there are three factors i want to propose.
first, the founding of the league coincided with the rise of baseball nationally; in two words, babe ruth. baseball had long been a popular sport nationwide, but ruth was just a player unmatched in skill and ability. the rise of babe ruth lifted the profile of baseball generally. ruth's rise coincided nicely with the arrival of radios in households across the country, a technology that brought the excitement of baseball to those who couldn't attend in person. against this backdrop, the whole country was ready to embrace baseball.
second, the harlem renaissance was taking place at the same time. joe posnanski's book is full of comments from buck o'neill to the effect that no one should feel bad for him because he got to play baseball in a great era with a great bunch of guys. inevitably, o'neill's proof of how lucky he was to play baseball in the 20's and 30's would include some story about going out to eat with duke ellington or with satchel paige and listening to count basie play, with joe louis and billie holliday sitting at the next table. his comment was about more than being able to hear great jazz. his comment meant that players in the negro leagues were a part of something bigger, of some national rethinking about what it meant to be black, about whether african-americans could see their own culture, their own institutions as equal to white culture or white institutions. given the prominence of baseball in the 20's and 30's, maybe it was just as important to have an oscar charleston or a josh gibson for every babe ruth or lou gehrig as it was to have a langston hughes for every t.s. eliot or a duke ellington for every george gershwin.
the last and most important factor was the large-scale emigration of african-americans from the south. driven by jim crow and boll weevil infestations at their backs and drawn by the promise of northern jobs in the budding manufacturing sector, southern blacks moved out of rural areas to cities across the northeast and midwest (chicago, st. louis, indianapolis, and kansas city) - not coincidentally, teams from those cities would be most successful in the negro leagues.
part of what drove the harlem renaissance was developing an african-american middle class to consume the culture. southern workers moving north to work in assembly lines inspired by henry ford's model of mass production had the steady income and the designated free time that allowed them to participate in the culture. prior to the large-scale emigration of african americans to midwestern and northeastern cities, many of these same consumers were agricultural workers, dispersed across a rural landscape with neither the cash nor the designated free time to attend a ball game. put those same workers in the middle of a city, where a ballpark was a streetcar ride away, with some spending money in their pockets, and designated time off from a limited workweek, and suddenly the explosion of african-american baseball in the 20's and 30's became possible. to make baseball marketed exclusively for an african-american audience a success, the audience had to get wealthier, more urban, and have more free time. in the 1920's, that's just what happened.
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i had a throwaway line two weeks ago about the monarchs being kansas city's best baseball team. well, i sure wasn't far wrong. the a's were even worse during their stint in kansas city than i thought -- they didn't even have a winning season while in town. the royals made a slightly better case than i had thought they might - from 1976 to 1985, the royals regularly appeared in the postseason (i'm told there was a world series victory of some sort in that period but my memory remains surprisingly hazy in that era, almost as if something is being blocked out). under whitey herzog, the royals rarely missed the postseason in the late 70's. but since 1985 . . . well, whatever happened that year . . . after that time, the royals have not returned to the playoffs. the monarchs by contrast were a perennial powerhouse in the negro leagues, frequently challenging the chicago american giants or the st. louis stars for the championship, winning ten league championships and two infrequently played negro league world series (1924, 1942). the monarchs featured some of the best of the best in baseball - jackie robinson (briefly, before he was taken by the dodgers), buck o'neill, satchel paige, bullet rogan, hilton smith, and many more. while the brett-era royals were a great team, i think they pale in comparison to the monarchs.
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a final thought about buck o'neill: much is made of the refusal of the hall of fame to put buck o'neill in. posnanski tells the awful story of the day that buck finds out he won't go in. something that comes through so strongly in posnanski's book is o'neill's absolute unwillingness to give into bitterness about anything - about not being allowed to play in the majors, about not being paid well his whole life, about the endless frustrations and humiliations associated with play in the negro leagues. o'neill remained steadfast in maintaining an optimistic view of his baseball career. he would tell listeners to feel sorry for white fans who never got to see josh gibson hit, not for him, because he got to play baseball for a living. even after the veteran's committee denies him his last chance to join the hall of fame - something that clearly breaks his heart - posnanski says that o'neill turned to him and asked if he thought the HOF would let him speak on behalf of all the ballplayers who were admitted, since none of the admitted players were alive. his outlook on life makes him incapable of bearing a grudge. o'neill did go to cooperstown to eulogize the group of players he hadn't been allowed to join.
in a way, buck o'neill is like the negro league as a whole. the players of the negro leagues - by surviving, by enduring, by excelling under the worst of circumstances and the cruelest kinds of discrimination - showed that they belonged in the highest echelon of players. while it was obviously deeply unfair that these players were kept from the majors, in the end, their memory is not really diminished by not playing in the majors. it is major league baseball that was diminished by refusing to let obviously deserving players play. major league baseball ended up cheapened, not the negro league players.
by the same token, buck o'neill was the kind of man whose absence from the hall diminishes o'neill's legacy not at all. o'neill's record and legacy speaks for itself and needs no commendation. o'neill was the kind of man whose absence from the hall diminishes the prestige of the hall of fame itself.
feel sorry for the hall of fame, readers, because it missed the chance to honor a man like buck o'neill.
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Excellent!
You paradoxically rehabilitate the loathsome “separate but equal”.
ceterum censeo, delendo est Joe Strauss
by alberich on Feb 20, 2010 9:23 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
boo Plessy v. Ferguson
Hooray Brown v. Board of Education!
goes to show you our Supreme Court is capable of some pretty shitty things. I mean, has anyone ever read Taney’s Dred Scott decision, a decision made in a courtroom that effectively took 3 amendments and over 600,000 lives to overturn.
by mattyp on Feb 20, 2010 10:09 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
then they mowed the lower court into the All Star Game grass
I’m hoping they keep the Arch in, though. it would be an improvement over the Fixed I debacle.
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Kind of disappointed
That a post that began with Jim Anchower’s opening line didn’t also involve an old Ford Festiva that needed new alternator
by ebo on Feb 20, 2010 9:30 AM EST via mobile reply actions
ya I really need to get some scratchola goin to
get this little love machine back on the road
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
interrupting for some newsbits
Mo says:
Asked when that will be, that Ryan can test it, he said, “I’d say probably three weeks from now. He’s going to be able to do baseball-related stuff when he gets here next week, but I’m talking about really swinging the bat and testing it.”
Can Brendan Ryan keep himself from using his wrist for three weeks? I recommend switching to feet instead.
And how are things going with regard to Mather’s health?
“Very positive. Very encouraging.”
Mo also thinks he’s a nice guy to have around.
And last but not least, Reyes is so bigtime that he needs two numbers.
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positive injury reports from the FO at the beginning of ST predicting a speedy recovery....?
I’ll consider it a minor victory if Brendan Ryan still has limbs and is breathing sans machine assistance at the start of the season
Darth Ryan?
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If Ryan can't move his wrist around for 3 weeks
We need a girl to step up and take a few for the team
by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 20, 2010 4:20 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
VEB should call upon its own for the assist
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Flim sure seems interested in this particular problem...
Forget it, spants. It's Chinatown. - tom s.
was it him who commented about it before?
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All I can say
Is having surgery on a broken wrist and having it in a soft cast for 4-6 weeks, don’t “use” that wrist too early BR. Trust me, the pain was much more than any gain. It’d be less painful to learn to be ambidextrous.
Excellent post!
I love this series of posts and am looking forward to the next one. And I totally agree about segregation diminishing the white “major” leagues more than the Negro leagues.
I am putting Posnanski’s book at the top of my vacation reading list.
"I always thought he was very handsome. I liked his eyes" - My late Grandmother referring to Rogers Hornsby
by Hoosier Cards on Feb 20, 2010 9:48 AM EST via mobile reply actions
yeah
I am going to read that book too
I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 20, 2010 6:31 PM EST up reply actions
Very well written piece
My only regret is that it doesn’t focus on the St. Louis Stars more. Nonetheless, its a very nice Saturday morning read.
Baseball is awesome. I'm so glad it's back. There's news and everything! Horray baseball!
Astros to sign GM through 2012
yep, that’s right
"There's a lot of things we say that don't make sense to our viewers. Okay, primarily me." ~Al Hrabosky~
and a random aside
I predict the ’stros pick up pedro martinez in july
just because
"There's a lot of things we say that don't make sense to our viewers. Okay, primarily me." ~Al Hrabosky~
by YesWeOquendo on Feb 20, 2010 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
There's rejoicing not only in St. Louis but in Cincinnati and Milwaukee.
Pittsburgh too, probably, since there’s now a reasonable chance they’ll climb out of last. Chicago, on the other hand … when was there anything to rejoice about there?
by StanTheManFan on Feb 20, 2010 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
good news!
I hate the stros
I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 20, 2010 6:31 PM EST up reply actions
great post as usual tom
this quote made my day
stovey had an ERA of 1.13 in 1886, winning 16 games and holding opponents to a .167 BAA. he only posted a braden looperesque 16-15 record, showing that pitcher won-loss records were stupid statistics even then.
"There's a lot of things we say that don't make sense to our viewers. Okay, primarily me." ~Al Hrabosky~
Actually, in this case
the W-L record probably says more about Stovey than the ERA does. According to BR, Stovey, like many of the pitchers in his league that year, gave up more than twice as many unearned runs as earned runs, and unearned runs still count. Nor was his ERA exceptionally low for the season; the memorably nicknamed “Phenomenal Smith” had an ERA of 0.70(!), with the same caveat about unearned runs by the bucketful. Context matters!
by StanTheManFan on Feb 20, 2010 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
Good stuff, Tom.
Poz’s book is incredible and only a fool would regret reading it.
Forget it, spants. It's Chinatown. - tom s.
good stuff, tom, but i gotta interrupt to bring this announcement
he’s been found!

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
so who is that?
do we need to do age progression?
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Excellent post Tom
If you haven’t visited the Nego League Baseball Museum (aka Buck O’ Neil’s ongoing legacy) I highly recommend it. I’ve been there multiple times and am looking forward to taking my kids there someday.
I got the opportunity to visit with Buck when he attended the I-Cubs winter fan fest here in Des Moines a few years back (the keynote speaker? Tony LaRussa. Lets just say that was an awesome afternoon) I’ve never met a man so full of optimism and joy about life in general. Buck had some amazing stories, but what I really took away from the conversation was that cynicism, hate and loathing really only hurt you. Better to live life with a positive outlook and be optimistic. Value the experiences you have, don’t envy those of others.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
your description of o'neill is definitely the enduring impression given by poz's book.
"It doesn't have to be terribly prolific! Just so that it isn't childish and silly." She reflected. "I prefer stories about squalor." J.D.S.
I've read that book
and I agree wholeheartedly with Joe’s descriptions of Buck. Of course, I agree with Joe’s about just about everything, so that’s not a surprise. He is a very good judge of character, a trait sorely lacking in many of our column writing journalists.
It’s sad that Cooperstown has failed to recognize the contributions of O’Neill as both a player and, more importantly, as an ambassador to the game. We currently have a game that continues to lose its appeal among young black children, and not having figures like Buck is a big reason why.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
the commish actually wrote something
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pictures for us junkies
one (19) some throwing, PFPs, playing with big balls
two (47) Yadi loves his job, they’re making Red work, Ryan Ludwick still has hair, Waino is totally tipping his pitches, and Rich Hill looks like he’s going to wet his pants
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my second favorite tandem
Adam and Yadi.
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#31 is a great pic of mather
both feet off the ground as he charges a ground ball…
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
he looked DeRo'ian?
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Looks like McClellan lost some weight
Even Fat Beaker/Centiquid looks like he has less of a gut.
Whoa! Kinney needs a shave and a haircut.
Joey Bombs is lookin’ fine, as usual.
Rich Hill looks all spidery and fragile when he throws. : (
I created the first #BrendanRyan hashtag on Twitter
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
wasting away
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by Yadi2Second on Feb 21, 2010 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
That is a throwing device that he came up with.
I think Mike Matheny and he are in business together, and Albert is the spokesman.
Forget it, spants. It's Chinatown. - tom s.
moar pictures from Leach
http://yourenotagolfer.mlblogs.com/archives/2010/02/saturday_spring_training_photo_1.html
I like the Kissell memorial thing.
Colby keeps up the lost high-schooler look.
More notes. Legoman has arrived, TLR is mocking us, and Frankie wants more deadly weapons in the clubhouse. Hooray!
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
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i just can't get over how much
Joe Mather towers over Big Mac.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
why would he need a BOW AND ARROW in the clubhouse?
seriously?
SIGN FELIPE LOPEZ
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
we can only imagine.
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by Yadi2Second on Feb 20, 2010 10:13 PM EST up reply actions
There once was this country
where the question was not why would you need that (insert item here) unfortunately that country is long gone
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
I was listening to Willie Mays last night
Talk about the first time he played for an all white team for the minor league team the Trenton Giants. He was talking about a time when the opposing team was hurling racial remarks at him while he was up to bat. Every time they said something he hitter it farther. Until the opposing teams pitcher told his team to shut up because you were just making him mad.
that Daily Show is probably still online
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this story makes me so sad.
apparently trever miller’s daughter has a heart defect. that’s why he started running.
"It doesn't have to be terribly prolific! Just so that it isn't childish and silly." She reflected. "I prefer stories about squalor." J.D.S.
i like trever. he's a good dude.
chock-full article overall, incl. bits about Reyes, TLR taking responsibility for uh managing, and (though unlisted) why Charlie Cutler’s catching assignment was impressive.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
good to hear that TLR isn't messing around anymore
lol
I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 20, 2010 6:33 PM EST up reply actions
is he srs? haha.
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apropos to nothing
All three Molinas (that you know of) are all signed for another season.
In totally unrelated news, the cubs won their curly fries against Theriot. [cue pickoff pictures]
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i don't know that signing larue was a bad idea in context, but the idea that we could have gotten jose molina or
rod barajas as a backup is getting me a little frustrated.
"It doesn't have to be terribly prolific! Just so that it isn't childish and silly." She reflected. "I prefer stories about squalor." J.D.S.
signing larue for that money did seem questionable
unless they know something about yadi that we don’t
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wait, it's still questionable.
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Man stew
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Feb 20, 2010 6:50 PM EST up reply actions
no discount for the man stew, yep.
who knows if there was a luggage effect…
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what money?
wasn’t it an even $1MM
barajas is gonna get more than that and he a much worse hitter. jose is just shy of $1MM and he’s equally awful
and i don’t think any of them are exceptionally better catchers than larue. the stache is a good catcher and the pitchers like him. don’t see an disadvantage to re-signing him
i guess the only downside to larue would be that the other guys have the capacity to catch long term in the event of catastrophe
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
barajas is getting more?
maybe I didn’t get that right
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rangers?
the team that’s not the mets offered him $1.5MM
mets offered $1
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
mets got him for $1 plus incentives
it was a major league deal, I think the other offers were MiL.
Rangers are a special case, imo, because they’re desperate.
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those mets
they’re just movin too fast
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I just snorted laughing.
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i'm not saying the money is the issue.
the issue is that barajas hits substantially better than larue (projected at a wOBA in the .290 to .300 range v. .260 to .280 for larue) and jose molina has a rep as a very strong defender with comparable hitting skill to larue.
also one molina backing the youngest one up = endless entertainment
"It doesn't have to be terribly prolific! Just so that it isn't childish and silly." She reflected. "I prefer stories about squalor." J.D.S.
yikes
$8m for one year when the Yanks offered him $14m for two years? Boo, Boras…BOOOOO!
SIGN FELIPE LOPEZ
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
well obviously the $14 million woulda been better
but $8 million is a much better consolation then i thought he was gonna get for a one year deal, especially the way the market has trended as of late. Damon and Boras got the best of the Tigers on this one, not a great deal from the team’s standpoint.
oh, and it's still hard to believe
(read: makes me laugh) that the product the Tigers put out on the field is a 130 million dollar team. Yeesh.
so will our closer end up being boggs or motte
or maybe one of the younger guys?
I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 20, 2010 7:16 PM EST reply actions
like, in the future
i call sanchez
but of those guys, motte
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
with boggs as setup man
I like that
I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 20, 2010 7:20 PM EST up reply actions
Smoltz?
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Feb 20, 2010 8:57 PM EST up reply actions
If it is either Motte or Boggs
Instead of Frankins, we’ll have to reach for something…harder….
Play ball!
by IL and StL Fan on Feb 20, 2010 9:55 PM EST up reply actions
40 proof minimum, I would say
Play ball!
by IL and StL Fan on Feb 20, 2010 9:59 PM EST up reply actions
so I guess you are confident in Franklin
fair enough, there’s a decent argument to be made for that… but I’m not real confident in him I must say, unless the beard still has a lot of powers left
I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 20, 2010 10:21 PM EST up reply actions
I'd love to see Motte or Boggs succeed enough
For TLR to put them in the 9th, and I think their chances are OK. I really have no idea if Franklin can hold it together.
I was just making a joke based on the average velocity of their pitches and the percentage of alcohol in an appropriate beverage…. I suppose /humor fail
Play ball!
by IL and StL Fan on Feb 21, 2010 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
whoops
ha!
I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 22, 2010 12:29 AM EST up reply actions
I pretty much disagree with that
but only time will tell/if those guys even get the opportunity
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 20, 2010 10:20 PM EST up reply actions
Interesting article
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SIGN FELIPE LOPEZ & JOHN SMOLTZ!
he reasons that bad luck may have had to do a lot with his tailspin at the end
No, Franky. An end to your streak of incredible good luck is not bad luck, its just regression to the mean for an unspectacular player who can’t make people miss. I’m not bashing the guy, btw. Unspectacular players who can’t make people miss can be perfectly competent contributors to teams, I just don’t want them on the mound with the game on the line.
by mattyp on Feb 20, 2010 10:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
awfully fussy aren't we?
doesn’t seem to bother the brain trust (for reasons i cannot fathom)
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
ok, Franky's BABIP by month
March/April: .166
May: .220
June: .256
July: .282
August: .182
Sept/Oct: .479
Okay, so there’s no dispute that Franky was getting some pretty horrific luck at the end of the year last year. However, I wouldn’t attribute it all to luck. His splits for the last three or so years all show a trend of a significant bump in BABIP towards the end of the season, indicating he may be wearing out and just not pitching as well under those circumstances. Still doesn’t account for a .479 BABIP, so it is likely that some bad luck had a hand in his failure. By the same token, however, he was under his career .279 BABIP every month but one prior to Sept/Oct, so its pretty obvious good luck was having a hand in his success.
it would make sense then
to have him start out as closer, then relinquish the role to one of the youngers who earns it towards the end of the season imo
I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 20, 2010 10:40 PM EST up reply actions
don't forget the progression of that season
that was his first go-round as full time closer. he was trying to get guys to hit with borderline calls, and the umpires effed with him. he got mad, lost his control — and that whole missing the strikezone thing went out the window. not a mistake an experienced closer would make … except gee, he’s not an experienced closer.
the first season was a gimme. I heartily disagree with saying a trend is super obvious just to get a chance to bash a guy, while ignoring what actually happened from game to game. this is kind of like arguing that Lohse sucks while ignoring that he was on the DL. on the other hand, I agree with Chitown – given his age, that’s exactly what the org wants to do with him.
I don’t really care if he’s a spectacular closer. I care if he gets the job done within the fantastically strange framework of a TLR system. For one thing, there aren’t a whole lot of spectacular closers out there – who would you rather take who’s not named Mariano?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Feb 20, 2010 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
I have a confession to make
I found this awesome Vietnamese Bubble Tea place today, and I…sorta…*hangs head in shame*had an Avocado smoothie. I had just taken my first sip when I peered behind the counter and caught sight of a giant box marked “Hass.” I cut myself tonight to relieve the overwhelming shame, but I still feel like I need community absolution.
by mattyp on Feb 20, 2010 10:50 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I hope you were listening to slayer and not emo when you did the cutting
I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 20, 2010 11:01 PM EST up reply actions
Don't forget
Down the road not across the street
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Feb 20, 2010 11:04 PM EST up reply actions
I don't remember that PSA
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
nice
I need to cut mine off too
I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 20, 2010 11:40 PM EST up reply actions
Oh
Well in that case, why cut when you can bite?
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Feb 21, 2010 1:04 AM EST up reply actions
does albertofstan have an absolution?
maybe there’s washing in grit
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Feb 20, 2010 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
TLR's doghouse
and subjection to Joe Strauss’s whispered sweet nothings
"There's a lot of things we say that don't make sense to our viewers. Okay, primarily me." ~Al Hrabosky~
by YesWeOquendo on Feb 21, 2010 12:30 AM EST up reply actions
Straussicorn to mattyp:
“welcome to baseball heaven…”
"There's a lot of things we say that don't make sense to our viewers. Okay, primarily me." ~Al Hrabosky~
by YesWeOquendo on Feb 21, 2010 12:31 AM EST up reply actions
Gross.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
by ClemsonGirl on Feb 21, 2010 12:32 AM EST up reply actions
that is some special kind of hell.
also, the unicorns protect us. they don’t deserve this kind of portmanteau.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Feb 21, 2010 12:43 AM EST up reply actions
also, if one checks strauss's twitters
he’s really, really obsessed with the police presence in Jupiter.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Feb 21, 2010 12:45 AM EST up reply actions
OT but who doesn't love curling?
Why does the lady announcer keep calling Great Britain Scotland?
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
Maybe all the curlers are Scottish.
Or maybe she’s a dumbass.
Forget it, spants. It's Chinatown. - tom s.
Even if they are they are representing all of Great Britain.
I think it may be the second option.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
I think curling was invented there...
so maybe once a British curler you are deputized to being a Scot?
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
I feel like neither the English or the Scottish would be okay with that.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
They need to find better things to worry about...
like dental care.
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
I'm glad you enjoyed the book Tom.
I really hope I can visit the Negro League Museum in KC one of these days.
Don't ping my cheese with your bandwidth.
by RosevilleRedbird on Feb 21, 2010 12:52 AM EST reply actions
I read your post earlier, and rec'd it,
but I just wanted to take the time now to say what an outstanding job you did, tom s. Your closing statements were excellent.
bryan burwell is unaware of how ridiculous he sounds, entry # 472
It was fascinating to see how many people were still picking apart his public apology . . . as if it were a bleeding carcas [sic]. It was almost unnerving to realize that no matter what he said or how he would have said it, it would never be enough to satisfy anyone who already believed that McGwire had never quite revealed enough of himself to them in the past.
To the entitled masses out there, his public penance must be more severe.
We’ve turned into a society that increasingly has become less and less tolerant of jocks, or at least selected ones. The anger and disgust with ballplayers is the new voice of the people. They are overpaid. They are pampered. And the more ticket prices soar and the economy falls, the voice of the public grumbles more and more about how our athletes need to stop behaving like they are entitled.
All the while the very folks who hate that sense of entitlement mirror the same behavior with bad acts that would make a mad man blush.
oh wait, i made one mistake. where it says “mcgwire,” it should read “woods.”
"It doesn't have to be terribly prolific! Just so that it isn't childish and silly." She reflected. "I prefer stories about squalor." J.D.S.
bad acts that would make a mad man blush!
I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 21, 2010 1:44 AM EST up reply actions
MLB '10: The Show Official Team Ratings
Link
according to this the cards are the 16th highest rated team. Behind the Cubs, D’Backs,Giants and Bluejays.
fail
I'm gonna need a whole lot more franklins if Franklin is our closer this year
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 21, 2010 2:06 AM EST up reply actions
so, what do we have to say about the birds getting knocked out by
the only team that was missing over a quarter of its payroll last season?
"Franklin has no patience for bloggers who believe because he pitches to contact, his start last season was something of a fluke."
/Downs Franklins
uh... so?
how much were we paying Mark Mulder and Jason Isringhausen in 2006?
the bottom teams on that list are Pittsburgh, Florida, Seattle, and the White Sox.
speaking of Mark Mulder, it’s been an hour… we need more headlines.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

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