Spring Training Types
by DanUpBaby on Feb 2, 2010 6:00 AM EST
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I hate to say this, as a long-time Hot Stove fan, but I've never been a fan of divining future surprises from the Spring Training invites. There are simply too many variables to take into account—the need for extra catchers, the difficulty of distinguishing between prospects being given a look for the future and prospects being given a look for the near future, the tendency of teams to invite guys like Evan MacLane to the Major League camp, when he has the same chance as I do of making the team—to get a truly accurate picture of the team's needs. But let's be serious, here: Future Redbirds has in its hands a list of 55 players invited to the Major League camp. I have a desire to categorize them via a series of subjective lists. Everyone wins!
The catchers
Bryan Anderson
Tony Cruz
Charles Cutler
Robert Stock
Matt Pagnozzi
It's a good thing the Cardinals have already settled on retaining the replacement level services of Jason LaRue, because there is absolutely no data to be gleaned from a list of catchers who've been told to report to Major League camp. Nevertheless—this isn't a bad list of replacement catchers, is it? Bryan Anderson and Charles Cutler are reasonably interesting bats, Robert Stock is the Cardinals' great white high-upside/high-risk hope of 2010, and Matt Pagnozzi has worn catcher's gear before and will probably do it again, so he has that going for him.
Unfortunately for them, if you're a catcher at Major League camp and you don't have a contract in hand you're just a piece of meat to the Cardinals. So we can probably move to list two.
The plausible relievers
Mitchell Boggs
Ben Jukich
Josh Kinney
Pete Parise
Oneli Perez
Fernando Salas
Francisco Samuel
Eduardo Sanchez
(I just barely managed to resist beating the Charlie Zink-as-reliever drum, here.) This is what plausible reliever means to me: I would be surprised if any one of these pitchers (save Boggs) begins the season on the active roster, but I would also be surprised if none of them does.
Of all these options I think Pete Parise and Fernando Salas are most likely to surprise; La Russa and Duncans' gloves-on treatment of Chris Perez makes me think they're less fond of fireballers with spotty command than the average Major League viewer, and Parise and Salas, who've both pitched in Memphis, have displayed excellent control at various times in the minor leagues.
Ben Jukich... I wasn't sure where the Cardinals were planning on stashing him at the time of the draft, and I'm less sure now. I like him as a Rule 5 pick, but even more than most Rule 5 prospects I think he'd be a better fit on a bad team, where he'd probably even start a few games.
The bench parts
Allen Craig
Ruben Gotay
Tyler Greene
Steve Hill
Jon Jay
Joe Mather
Shane Robinson
Donovan Solano
Nick Stavinoha
Does it confuse anyone else to know that Nick Stavinoha is only a year older than David Freese? It seems like he was drafted ten years ago, and the way we were all convinced his debut tearing-up of the Midwest League was an illusion he must have been at least 35 at the time. Regardless, he and Shane Robinson remain the backstops for the Cardinals' backup outfield—if all else fails, they'll be there, ready to infuriate at a moment's notice and then go back to putting up nice-enough numbers in Memphis.
There are a lot of interesting parts between the Cardinals and Stavinoha, though all of them inspire a little trepidation to go with that intrigue. Jon Jay seems born to be a fourth outfielder, and could probably be a fifth outfielder in the meantime; Joe Mather probably still looks like the perfect baseball player, though it'll be interesting to see if the power's still there; Ruben Gotay drew walks in AAA like the first-half version of Joe Thurston, but his defensive reputation is even worse. I throw Donovan Solano in there only because he is a constant, living reminder (to myself and others there at the dawn of the Cardinals' blogosphere) that being 17 in baseball years and appearing in an American box score does not necessarily guarantee future success.
The maybe-next-years
Daniel Descalso
Mark Hamilton
Tyler Henley
Daryl Jones
Pete Kozma
Lance Lynn
Tyler Norrick
Robert Stock
Hey, it's the prospects! Most of these guys wouldn't have a spot on the MLB roster even if they were ready to contribute, like Daniel Descalso, Mark Hamilton, Tyler Norrick. Tyler Henley has his AAA equivalent, Jon Jay, a level ahead of him, and Daryl Jones is too busy trying to become a top prospect again to get 150 at-bats in St. Louis. Pete Kozma... well, I just want to see him hit AA pitching. (If it's any consolation, I was expecting to say that exact thing at this moment in 2010 when he was drafted, only I expected it to be after a .750 OPS in Palm Beach, not a .600 OPS in Springfield.)
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for the catchers, only Pagnozzi and Anderson are on the 40 man roster. If Yadi or La Rue go to the DL for injury, i’m pretty sure pagnozzi would be the first one called up for the part time backup catcher since he’s been called up once before. (Or Freese could be the backup catcher, he did an okay job catching welly that one game…..)
I dunno about you guys, but TLR will not have a bunch of rookies taking up a majority of the bench spots. It’s a shame the cards couldn’t give a minor league deal to catalanatto or byrnes for some MLB experience depth.
I always forget about stavinoha because he looks like he’s over 30. He’d be an okay bench OF, but he can’t play CF. I’d rather have Jonny Gomes to a minor league deal (a part time player that can hit 10-20 HRs in less than 300 ABs off the bench is a good thing)
I hear Willy Tavarez was DFA by the A’s after they traded for him…..if any team still has to pay him 4 million i doubt the cards would sign him (unless a minor league deal? or if no one claims him the A’s send him to the minors?)
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by cardwash on Feb 2, 2010 6:21 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
If you saw that game where TLR
made Freese catch (which, BTW, earned the lad big points with his manager), you’ll recall that he was just about completely gassed after 2-3 innings of squatting behind the plate. You’d expect the legs of any non-C position player to turn to jelly in that situation. So no, he couldn’t be the backup C.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Feb 2, 2010 10:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's weird.
Because Freese only caught for one inning.
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by spants on Feb 2, 2010 11:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And didn't he volunteer
so that Motte didn’t have to?
* is an Asshat
Also, Dave Concepcion.
by RiverRat on Feb 2, 2010 11:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes.
The Padres had him catch during a rookie development camp or something. So he knew some basics.
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by spants on Feb 2, 2010 11:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
1 for the heater
rinse and repeat?
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
by ducttape16 on Feb 2, 2010 3:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
C'mon Vaughn, give him the heater!
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Feb 2, 2010 7:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
OK, you're right.
I looked it up and it was only one inning. But he was clearly struggling by the time it was over, i.e., he was not in “catcher shape.”
by MdRedbirdFreak on Feb 2, 2010 11:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
didn't he catch welly?
that could make one tired, as in sick-and-tired…
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Feb 2, 2010 3:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They were stealing on him like crazy
So it was probably more frustration than poor conditioning.
Guys like Bradley are exactly why we can't have a pumpkin patch anymore.
by liam on Feb 2, 2010 4:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
just a general note to most everyone in this thread
it would be nice if you’d corroborate with the game post. instead of, uh, speculating like crazy.
also, for god’s sake SBN be moar searchable. all that time blogging under the influence coming to naught.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Feb 2, 2010 7:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
man
reading thru that game thread was a bummer on two levels: 1) I’m jonesing even harder for Opening Day than I was before, which I did not think was possible and 2) I’d managed to forget how bad the Cards played in the final 2 weeks of the regular season last year.
Here’s the box score for that game, if anyone’s interested. TLR used basically the entire roster in that game, minus the other four starting pitchers.
by nota bene on Feb 2, 2010 10:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Motte was this close to catching
it would’ve been awesome
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Feb 2, 2010 10:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe he'll end up catching stock
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Feb 2, 2010 10:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
mind blown
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Feb 2, 2010 11:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
when it happens
tony and dave will just look at each other knowingly, and smile, both thinking, “we got it all figured out, pardner.”
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Feb 2, 2010 11:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
only 30 days
until real baseball games
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Feb 3, 2010 12:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
tulane begins its season on feb 19
pretty decent program, imo, and i’ll see that game
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Feb 3, 2010 12:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i don't know what that is
but i have a strong feeling it is not something care about
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Feb 3, 2010 1:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it's a university
in new orleans. guys def get drafted from tulane.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Feb 3, 2010 1:03 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
haha
i thought so
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Feb 2, 2010 12:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm...
…Maybe that’s an explanation for Freese’s drinking malfeasance this offseason. I mean seeing THIS over and over would drive me to make bad decisions.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Feb 2, 2010 5:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i'm sure the staff took that into consideration
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Feb 2, 2010 5:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Like you, I'm somewhat baffled they haven't picked up any of the nice, cheap 4th OF options on the FA market
even though Gomes is broken, Catalanatto isn’t that good anymore, and guys like Hinske, Gross et al have their warts, I can’t help but feel that having one of those freely available guys for close to the league minimum would’ve been a good idea. We’re putting quite a lot of stock in the ability of Craig (who I really like) and Jay (who I’m not so sure about) to take significant PAs and be capable major-leaguers right out of the gate.
I can’t see ANYONE throwing $4m at Willy Taveras, mind you, and, personally, I want him nowhere near the Cardinals next year (unless he’s on the other team!). That guy is an ATROCIOUS hitter.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Feb 2, 2010 10:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Beane snatched up Gross yesterday
So he’s gone.
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
by mojowo11 on Feb 2, 2010 2:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i know
that’s what i’m saying. All those options are gone now.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Feb 2, 2010 4:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I remember reading a quote from Mo
Sorry, I can’t remember where (probably the P-D) that they were going to wait on anything else until the Luddy and Schu arb situations were finalized.
So I guess they’r waiting to get Schu signed up.
They say sing while you slave but I just get bored
by Scarecrow7775 on Feb 2, 2010 7:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah you're right
but by then there’ll be nobody left! nooooooo!!!!
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Feb 3, 2010 5:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought we agreed we wern't going to talk about Tavarez like that.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Feb 2, 2010 12:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
IT'S TAVERAS RAAAAAAAR
This is one of my baseball pet peeves. It’s not even pronounced the same way.
But yes, keep him the hell away from the Cardinals.
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
by mojowo11 on Feb 2, 2010 2:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
keep both of them away
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Feb 2, 2010 3:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I hate that too
I was so upset with the thought that I didn’t even notice I was f’in up his name.
I will go sit in the corner, then flog myself for this offense.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Feb 2, 2010 5:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My prediction:
Matt Holliday yanks a hammy, Allen Craig goes all Pujolsian on us, we never look back.
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
by guayzimi on Feb 2, 2010 7:48 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
oh no,
don’t Bonilla the guy that just got a 8 year deal.
by kyle3776 on Feb 2, 2010 8:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, jeez.
We’ll never look back only because we don’t want to see the $120 million that’s still owed to our own Wally Pipp.
by arch support on Feb 2, 2010 9:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Craig will be...
an 8 WAR player for the next six years and will cover his contract and Holliday’s! Holliday meanwhile will take his demotion very well, and will prove to be a dangerous PHer when used strategically.
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
by guayzimi on Feb 2, 2010 2:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
late-inning defensive replacement
for craig, holliday will spend his abundant free-time learning the intricacies of the hot corner.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Feb 2, 2010 3:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, Holliday did start out as a 3B...
it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie
by SleepyCA on Feb 2, 2010 4:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, i remember looking up his numbers once
he never did learn those intricacies.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Feb 2, 2010 4:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
but he was DoucheBoy
bad at it something like sub .900
Я виключаю ти, сука
by TomCat009 on Feb 2, 2010 5:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nice sig
* is an Asshat
Also, Dave Concepcion.
by RiverRat on Feb 2, 2010 5:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Like that?
ATHF goes CCCP
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by TomCat009 on Feb 2, 2010 5:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I had to tell Google Translate
it was Ukranian. Russian it just spit out “I jasghfrghsd, bitch.”
* is an Asshat
Also, Dave Concepcion.
by RiverRat on Feb 2, 2010 6:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Can't we just make that Ludwick instead?
He hit it good. He hit it good.
by Jack618 on Feb 2, 2010 11:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No.
How about both Luddy and Craig go Pujolsian, we trade Luddy for an SP, and then profit?
it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie
by SleepyCA on Feb 2, 2010 4:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
if we had 3 pujols, i could pobably pitch and we'd still win.
by ADMDrayson on Feb 4, 2010 5:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
What about Curt Smith?
He of the 2009 WBC, .742 OPS at Palm Beach before being bumped to Springfield where his 70 PA resulted in a .819 OPS…
At 22 should he be added to the ‘Maybe Next Year’ list? He’s quietly moved up from rookie league in 08 to AA at the end of 09. Someone to watch this year maybe?
Hey Ump!
by paposse on Feb 2, 2010 9:08 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
He's an undersized 1B.
The odds are not in his favor.
Think; It's not illegal yet.
by azruavatar on Feb 2, 2010 9:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Do undersized first basemen transition better or worse to a corner OF spot than, say,
Chris Duncan-sized first baseman?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Feb 2, 2010 9:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Can you transition worse than Chris Duncan?
He’s a slightly below average defender at 1st. He’s not really a viable candidate in the outfield.
Think; It's not illegal yet.
by azruavatar on Feb 2, 2010 10:02 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Touché
So, he’s basically a Future Redbird without the “Future”?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Feb 2, 2010 10:04 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
rec'd completely for the subject line
I laughed, I cried, I laughed again.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Feb 2, 2010 12:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I farted
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Feb 2, 2010 2:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You'll laugh again!
You’ll cry again!! You’ll hurl again!!!
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
by ducttape16 on Feb 2, 2010 3:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Especially if jd farts again.
Well, not the laugh part.
Albertofstan.
F* Yeah!
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Feb 2, 2010 3:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So you're saying a...
…guy who is literally unable to play FIRST BASE well doesn’t make for a decent OF’er? Surely you jest, you silly ’bot.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Feb 2, 2010 5:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Or Maybe to 3rd!
:=8)
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Feb 2, 2010 3:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i kept my eye on him last season
but people who know more than me are not too high on him
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Feb 2, 2010 12:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
fortunately, people who know less than you LOVE him.
You should try to be more like those people!
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Feb 2, 2010 1:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i've been rooting for the guy from maine
via curacao since the wbc. he didn’t get many ab’s for that light-hitting dutch team, though (it was fun to watch them take down the superpower)
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Feb 2, 2010 3:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Should we have Lohse category?
For FAs that might sign bargain basement deals in March?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Feb 2, 2010 9:55 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
perhaps
Russell Branyan
Endy Chavez
Felipe Lopez
Brian Giles
Stupid Sexy Flanders!!!
by timmycardinals on Feb 2, 2010 10:11 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was hoping a few pitchers would make the list.
Like Smoltz, Calero, Washburn, etc.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Feb 2, 2010 10:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
not sure why they didn't register in my brain
/hopes it’s not foreshadowing
Stupid Sexy Flanders!!!
by timmycardinals on Feb 2, 2010 10:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
keep washburn away from my cardinals, please
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Feb 2, 2010 12:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Is that only because he has
Bore-Ass as an agent? He pitched pretty decently last season. Yeah. I know, he kinda sucked in 2008, but only kinda, and in the last 9 years, he never pitched less than 149+ innings. The one problem I see is that he turned down a 1-year, $5 mil offer from the Twins, one of the teams he really wants to pitch for, less than a month ago, so I don’t see us signing him on the cheap.
Time for a new sig.
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 2, 2010 3:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he had an okay ERA
thanks to a pretty low BABIP, but his FIP says he was about as mediocre as he has been all his career.
i must have been thinking of someone else, though, because i thought i remembered him having an ERA/FIP around 7 in ’09. still if he wants >$5MM for his mid to upper-4 FIP, he can keep walking
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Feb 2, 2010 3:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
his ERA with Detroit was over 7 i think
but … … … beware the SSS!
dude isn’t very good any way you look at it.
by mikey_mac on Feb 2, 2010 4:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, but
he had an ERA+ of 163 with the Mariners, where he did most of his pitching last year, to go with a WHIP of about 1.07. Obviously, the change of scenery did him some good.
Time for a new sig.
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 2, 2010 4:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
.249 BABIP, 6.4% HR/FB with Seattle
his FIP was 1.2 runs higher than his ERA. his xFIP was another .7 runs higher than his FIP!
this describes soul-selling moreso than great pitching.
by mikey_mac on Feb 2, 2010 4:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
thanks to a pretty low BABIP, but his FIP says he was about as mediocre as he has been all his career.
He’s also out-performed his FIP by a ridiculous amount throughout his whole career, over a decade. He’s a pretty unusual case.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Feb 2, 2010 5:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
not really
ERA/FIP
3.78/4.58 – ’09
4.69/4.72 – ’08
4.32/4.77 – ’07
4.67/4.78 – ’06
3.20/4.35 – ’05
4.64/4.52 – ’04
4.43/4.97 – ’03
that’s twice that he’s significantly outperformed his FIP in the last 8 years
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Feb 2, 2010 5:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that's one nickname I've never understood
you can say what you want about Boras, but he is certainly not a boring ass.
Anyway, carry on.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Feb 2, 2010 5:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's because he bores.
Your ass.
I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...
by spants on Feb 2, 2010 5:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Horrible, horrible image, Spants.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Feb 2, 2010 5:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I know. I'm so sorry.
I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...
by spants on Feb 2, 2010 6:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No your not.
* is an Asshat
Also, Dave Concepcion.
by RiverRat on Feb 2, 2010 6:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My not?
I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...
by spants on Feb 2, 2010 6:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I missed commas,
and all sorts of crap in that smart assed post. I need to go home and get a beer in me.
* is an Asshat
Also, Dave Concepcion.
by RiverRat on Feb 2, 2010 6:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was better off not knowing this
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Feb 2, 2010 6:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ignorance is truly bliss.
I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...
by spants on Feb 2, 2010 6:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
one option for the linguistically inclined: bouros
ouro = portuguese for gold
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
by sportsman on Feb 2, 2010 6:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and euros are money
i hear.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Feb 2, 2010 7:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No Reed Johnson now
Thankfully.
$800k plus incentives to the Dodgers.
Hey Ump!
by paposse on Feb 2, 2010 11:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That seems a slight overpay to me
but I suppose it’s all pocket change to major league teams…
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Feb 2, 2010 1:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Aren't the Dodgers
in less than making it rain territory due to the divorce?
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
by ducttape16 on Feb 2, 2010 3:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I would indeed say that they have
Less money, mo problems.
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
by mojowo11 on Feb 2, 2010 5:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Endy Chavez. . .
is rehabbing from knee surgery, and won’t be game-ready until May, FWIW.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Feb 2, 2010 11:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I wondered by he hadn't yet signed.
Of course, I thought his OBP over the last three seasons might have had something to do it.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Feb 2, 2010 11:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
When he was with the Nats
his nickname was “Inning Endy” Chavez.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Feb 2, 2010 12:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Second great nickname in as many days.
“T-Virus” for Taveras and now “Inning-Endy” Chavez. His defense is great, which is why he interested me.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Feb 2, 2010 12:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
what about Darin Erstad?
lefty bat who can play all three outfield spots…
Stupid Sexy Flanders!!!
by timmycardinals on Feb 2, 2010 11:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Darin Erstad of the 5 straight sub-700 ops's?
With the last 2 while he played half his games at the theme park? No Thankyouverymuch!
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Feb 2, 2010 12:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He plays baseball with a football mentality...
…sculpted on the hot gridirons of smelly Nebraska whilst booming punts far into the afternoon sky. He’s a winner, a grinder, and a battler… and also a terrible baseball player. But hey he’s got that Football Mentality!!!
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by redbirdnation8206 on Feb 2, 2010 6:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
FWIW
I was at the winter warmup and was able to attend a small Q and A w/ Jeff Lunow. He thinks that Pete Parise could be the surprise breakout player of the year.
by salukihoops on Feb 2, 2010 10:07 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I keep hearing this, and it baffles me
from TLR (whose prospect valuation skills seem sketchy) it didn’t especially surprise me, and now from LUHNOW? The guy seems to have “middle reliever” written all over him. I just don’t get it, reasonable GB-rate aside; guys with such so-so K/BB rates and middling stuff in the high minors don’t usually just magically become impact relievers in the major leagues, no matter how many worms they burn.
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by Felonius_Monk on Feb 2, 2010 10:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I am not sure "impact reliever" is what Luhnow is envisioning
I suspect he is envisioning a solid middle reliever. A guy who can go 2-3 innings and keep a game close. While the BT types are not sexy players on the roster they are absolutely invaluable over the course of a season. The starting pitcher is not going to have it every start and you need to have a guy you can turn to that will keep the staff from getting destoyed. If Parise can become the next BT/Cal Eldred/Josh Hancock, I would be happy to have him on the staff for the ML minimum.
"I learned a long time ago if you keep checking your stats all year, you're going to end up in the toilet." - Chris Carpenter, 2009.
by indakind on Feb 2, 2010 10:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Good point.
Say that Pete Paris becomes the next Cal Eldred type of reliever, would that be a bad thing? (Yes, I realize that we already have K-Mac.)
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Feb 2, 2010 11:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But, K-Mac
is going to be the fifth starter – :)
by CRay on Feb 2, 2010 11:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Stranger things have happened.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Feb 2, 2010 11:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Being serious
I’m really interested to see what K-Mac can do as a starter. Before the Cards indicated the possibility of making him a starter, I was really beginning to wonder whether he would even make the team this year. He didn’t exactly have a great year in the bullpen last year.
by CRay on Feb 2, 2010 11:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But, he had a *3.38* ERA!!!!
And struck out 6.89 per nine innings while walking 4.59 per nine innings. His fall back to earth could Franklin-esque in its brutality. You can’t walk that many guys as a reliever, let alone as a starter. He was nowhere near as good as his ERA suggested, and I’m very concerned about TLR relying on him this season.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Feb 2, 2010 12:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thus
changing to starting is at least something different for him – perhaps K-Mac gets more out of his assortment of pitches as a starter and ends up walking fewer batters – eeeh, one can at least hope – but last year was certainly not promising for his career as a reliever (at least as an effective reliever)
by CRay on Feb 2, 2010 12:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he starts
in memphis
would be good
and even motte to close in memphis would not be that bad
for a while
i just don’t see either making enough progress in the bigs
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
by sportsman on Feb 2, 2010 6:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I love the fact that everything you write looks like a cross between a haiku and something ee cummings might've wrote...
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by Felonius_Monk on Feb 3, 2010 5:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
some interesting SSS stuff about KMac last year...
he walked 10 guys on four pitches (out of 34 total walks) last year, but only had 2 IBBs. And half his walks (17/34) came with 2 outs.
Not sure if that means anything, but it might be that his “bad control” is more intentional than accidental. A walk with 2 outs contributes significantly less to run expectancy than a walk with no one out, even though it counts the same in FIP, and while it’s a bad idea to walk anyone, ever, there are times when it doesn’t really hurt much (2 out walk with no one on is worth 0.13 runs).
I really wish B-R did double-situational splits, so we could see how many of his walks were with 2 outs and no one on.
it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie
by SleepyCA on Feb 2, 2010 5:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i hate walks with 2 outs and no one on
more than anything. i preach this to little league pitchers, that i’m never worried about their focus with bases loaded, because nothing focuses the mind more than that, but with 2 outs and nobody on there is a tendency to feel the inning is over, and they lose focus and walk someone, and then the floodgates open. i always remind the pitcher, “hey, two outs nobody on”, in that situation.
just thinking there could be some of this tendency with k-mac.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Feb 2, 2010 5:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah I tend to agree
I think…
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by Felonius_Monk on Feb 2, 2010 5:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
walks always bother me, but
2 outs and no one on is the time to do it, IMO
by mikey_mac on Feb 2, 2010 6:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
why?
and then give me a couple laps.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Feb 2, 2010 6:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
See below... Sleepy stole my thunder
if you could call it that
by mikey_mac on Feb 2, 2010 6:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well
I can see how it’s frustrating in little league, but in the majors, 9 BB’s with no one on and 2 out is roughly equal in run expectancy to 3 leadoff walks. Context matters a ton, and FIP and xFIP ignore that context..
it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie
by SleepyCA on Feb 2, 2010 6:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
this is an interesting topic
because there is a definite psychology beyond the numbers. and not only the pitcher is affected.
i think tlr and dunc probably abhor the two-out, no one on walk, though i’d be more curious of carp’s thoughts.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Feb 2, 2010 6:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
numbers don't suit this argument, actually
because a walk with bases loaded is obviously worse since there’s a 100% chance it yields a run. however, it is a more understandable walk given the possible consequences of a pitch down the middle. with 2 outs and nobody on, i can’t find an acceptable reason for a walk, other than albert pujols, even though, statistically, a run will score less often than walks in any other situation.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Feb 2, 2010 6:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What if Tony Pena, Jr. is on deck?
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by mojowo11 on Feb 2, 2010 6:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
why let them bat with a runner on
when there’s a good chance to get the batter out, and if not then you’ll be pitching to them anyway. let them lead off next inning. (of course if it was the bottom of the ninth, one-run game, the batter had some pop, and nobody was left to pinch-hit for them…but i think we’re talking general philosophy here)
what would gibson do – he wouldn’t even walk the batter with the pitcher on deck, apparently.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Feb 2, 2010 7:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
interesting comparison between KMac and Gibby
at age 25:
K/9 BB/9 HR/9 K/BB
Player A 7.17 4.98 0.73 1.44
Player B 6.89 4.56 0.54 1.50
Which one is gibby?
Since KMC’s K/BB was posted earlier, it’s easy to guess, but if you came on these numbers cold it would be hard to tell. It would be impossible if you included the age-24 numbers, since every single stat was reversed except for BB/9, where KMC led by a large margin.
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by SleepyCA on Feb 2, 2010 8:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
gibby has been dissed before for his walks. i think we had some sort of small discussion on that topic here not so long ago.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Feb 2, 2010 8:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the other thing is
gibson walked almost 20% more batter with 2 outs than with none out, in his career (id suspect that’s true for most successful pitchers). Anyway, the answer to the “what would gibby do” question is “he’d do about what KMC did”.
OTOH, it’s pretty unlikely that KMC will have a career path similar to Gibson, and a lot more likely that he’ll flame out after a couple of years, or become Jeff Weaver, as someone suggested above.
it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie
by SleepyCA on Feb 2, 2010 9:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i'd bet most pitchers walk more
with 2 out and nobody on than in any other situation. but i am not sure that most of these walks are due to caution and planning as they are due to carelessness (loss of focus) – same as the little leaguer (it’s called being human, i guess, and cannot be escaped).
i’d say gibby was pissed when he did this rather than ok with it as a strategy.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Feb 2, 2010 9:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hitters might be likely to relax
and be content with a walk with 2 out and nobody on, too. The situation doesn’t just affect the pitcher.
by nota bene on Feb 2, 2010 9:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i'm going to have to think about that
though i agree right away that the situation doesn’t only affect the pitcher – the walk itself, or even when it gets to 3-1, say, definitely affects the fielders, in a WTF, kicking-dirt sort of way.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Feb 2, 2010 10:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
numbers don’t suit this argument, actually
because a walk with bases loaded is obviously worse since there’s a 100% chance it yields a run.
Yep. It’s almost as if people are trying to suggest that you can win the game by minimising this ephemeral “runs” statistic!
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by Felonius_Monk on Feb 3, 2010 5:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
if that's all you got
then i guess the point stands.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Feb 3, 2010 6:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i do recall KMac being able to mitigate his BBs well this past season
which explains a lot of his ERA/FIP discrepancy. whether or not this is actually a skill of KMac’s is debatable.
by mikey_mac on Feb 2, 2010 6:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and how many scored or ended
causing tlr to replace him
seems that happened more than once
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by sportsman on Feb 2, 2010 7:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
not very many
looking through the game logs, only 4 times this year were runs scored after a walk, and only one of those was after a 2 out-no one on walk. However, that doesn’t really support my thesis; 7 of the walks issued were with no outs and no one on, and only 5 were with 2 outs no one on.
13 times, he walked someone with 2 outs and men on base. 2 of those were IBBs, and a couple of others were likely pitch-arounds, but he’s gotta do a better job in that situation.
3 times he was replaced after a walk. all 3 were by Miller to face a lefty. None of those 3 scored.
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by SleepyCA on Feb 2, 2010 9:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Being serious
I really would prefer K-Mac didn’t make the team. I think if they want him to start, they should send him to Memphis. I just don’t know if I can liver both K-Mac and Franklin in the same bullpen again this year.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
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by mattyfrommo on Feb 2, 2010 12:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i was just looking at jeff weaver's stats last year
he seems to be a fair comp for kmac (weaver gives up fewer BB, more HR). maybe a bit of perspective on what we’re looking at with kmac.
by mikey_mac on Feb 2, 2010 1:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If K-Mac can be Jeff Weaver as a 5th starter
he’s probably OK to sop up 100 innings or so.
I just don’t think he’ll strike out as many as Weaver either, when he makes the transition, as his fastball presumably loses a couple of ticks (which I don’t really think he can afford). I think if he’s to start he has to do it in Memphis, FWIW.
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by Felonius_Monk on Feb 2, 2010 1:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i don't see kmac as a SP
because of his BB issues. so i was really thinking about it the other way around… i.e. weaver’s numbers are those of an average-ish relief pitcher. thus, expecting kmac to do well in a set-up role is probably beyond his means.
i’m fine with kmac in our bullpen, just not as our second-highest leveraged arm.
by mikey_mac on Feb 2, 2010 2:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
K-Mac and arbitration
If Kyle is turned into a starter and spends about 60 days off the 25 man roster next season, then his first curly fries will be after 2011 instead of 2010. He turns 26 in June.
by ubeddie on Feb 2, 2010 9:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
K-mac probably costed Waino the Cy, or at least 20 wins.
by CodyG on Feb 2, 2010 10:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
love that word
costed – but don’t say it in front of spants.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Feb 2, 2010 10:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
While the BT types are not sexy players on the roster they are absolutely invaluable over the course of a season.
Yep, they are, but not in an “actual value” kinda way because they’re so fungible. You can just get Jukich or Walters or someone to eat those innings in blowouts and they’ve got the added advantage of being bale to start, which I don’t believe Parise can do. Ultimately I just think guys like that can literally be pretty much picked up for free, although I’d love him to turn into early-2009 Ryan Franklin…
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by Felonius_Monk on Feb 2, 2010 1:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, which is why Jess Todd is fungible too!!
/someone who never minded the Derosa trade because he doesn’t think Todd is destined to be anything other than a perfectly “meh” middle reliever
by Willie McGee's Twin on Feb 2, 2010 3:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i think he can be pretty solid as a reliever
but i think he’s fungible within the cards org. surely one of sanchez, samuel, salas, reifer, etc., etc., can become what todd will
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Feb 2, 2010 4:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
biddle, kelly, parise, and on and on....
I think Todd can be “pretty solid” as a reliever as well – but, frankly, that’s not worth all that much on the trade market.
(A healthy Mark DeRosa (which would have shifted Thurston to the bench) + supplemental pick + chance at 1st Rd pick for Type A status + increased chance to go to WS) is a fair trade for (Chris P. – high upside reliever with some control issues) + (Todd – RH middle reliever with 90 mph fastball and a decent slider).
by Willie McGee's Twin on Feb 2, 2010 4:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I actually still think Todd has more value as a starter
Other than body type, I really still don’t see why they moved him out of that role when he’d done nothing wrong in it. I assumed the Injuns might switch him back, but it hasn’t happened yet…
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by Felonius_Monk on Feb 2, 2010 5:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn't it have made more sense to use him as a starter until it didn't work?
I mean, the guy shredded two levels of ball in 2008 and didn’t embarass himself at AAA that year. Sure, he’s small and his repertoire is a little limited from what I know of the guy, but still…
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by redbirdnation8206 on Feb 2, 2010 6:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn’t it have made more sense to use him as a starter until it didn’t work?
Yes.
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by Felonius_Monk on Feb 3, 2010 5:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure...
Parise already is a surprising guy…he didn’t even start pitching until after he graduated from college and went undrafted. He’s already had some unusual success as essentially a raw pitcher.
http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2009/jun/26/redbirds-pitcher-parise-went-undrafted-not-unnotic/
by Forsch31 on Feb 2, 2010 1:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hope he gets that Sinker Going...
:=8)
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Feb 2, 2010 3:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I noticed all the lists were arranged alphabetically
except for the catchers list. I am going to go ahead and pretend/assume it was so that nobody has to be below Pagnozzi on any list.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Feb 2, 2010 10:50 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
it's alphabetized by most prominent letter
usually that’s the first letter in the last name, but when you throw a Z into the mix, all bets are off.
by brackenthebox on Feb 2, 2010 11:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
looking at the numbers,
oneli perez looks like a solid candidate to contribute in 2010. has truck out 10 per 9 in just about every level he’s stopped at. he had rough stops in ‘08 with the white sox and indians, but he was having horrid luck at the time with almost half his balls in play going for hits. his BABIP in memphis was still above average and he managed to put up an FIP under 4. i think he’s a guy to watch that most people aren
t talking about
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Feb 2, 2010 12:47 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I thought so when I looked at his stats earlier this year
I was surprised how high his K-rates had been. Of course, he’s often walked far too many and (without having seen him pitch) I get the feeling he’s maybe a ROOGY because he throws with a bit of a sidearm and I don’t think he has a pitch to consistently get lefties out with. But yeah, I too am surprised how little press he’s got from anyone here. His FIPs were rough in 2008 in AAA but that smacks of SSS to me – he had a crazy high HR rate, which he hadn’t had at any other stop en route. I think he’s really intriguing.
Here’s what I mean about the sidearmy-ness:
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by Felonius_Monk on Feb 2, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oneli Perez = Kelvim Jimenez
I do not want him anywhere near a major league squad.
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by azruavatar on Feb 2, 2010 2:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
why?
what do you know that the numbers aren’t telling me?
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by prophetjohn on Feb 2, 2010 3:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He's just not very good.
He’s with his 4th organization at age 27 and hasn’t ever been trusted beyond anything than being a swingman. His stuff is fringy when you watch him. There’s nothing there to get your hopes up about.
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by azruavatar on Feb 2, 2010 3:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i just assumed
he got passed around a lot in ’08 because of his horrible BIP and HR/9 luck
i guess it isn’t promising, though, that his K/9 took a plunge in memphis and he continued to walk too many guys
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by prophetjohn on Feb 2, 2010 3:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Totally OT, but what do you guys think of my Upton Brothers Logo Design entry?
They have a competition to design their logo, and I tried to incorporate a “b” for BJ, a “j” for Justin, and a “u” for Upton…
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by vexedtechie on Feb 2, 2010 1:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
that's pretty cool-looking.
it’s too bad that BJ’s name is BJ, though, because all I see is BJ when I look at this. I don’t think of the J standing for Justin.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
by IHeartBoog on Feb 2, 2010 1:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
same
it’s perfect for upton the elder, though.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Feb 2, 2010 3:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...If only they wanted individual logos.
It’d be pretty easy to do both.
That said, entries end march 1st, the Uptons choose their favorite 10, and then it’s a fan vote.
IF I get chosen (big IF), I’ll letchyall know!
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by vexedtechie on Feb 2, 2010 4:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
this is not my forte
but how about trying a double U by adding another J on, but make the double U so as it could also be seen as one big U?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Feb 2, 2010 4:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd originally thought that, too...
…but I was worried about it lookin too fat. I suppose I could trim down the B and J, then throw a large U around it.
I just didn’t want to get it too complex.
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by vexedtechie on Feb 2, 2010 4:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess it's probably not
what they want, but an individual one for each of them (that look similar) that combine into a super logo I think would be cool.
by WyoCardsFan on Feb 2, 2010 4:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
One single super BJ?
Been looking for that my whole life.
by Tom_Lawless_Bat_Flip on Feb 2, 2010 7:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't really like it tbh
it’s a little bland and it doesn’t really convey anything about them – also, it’s quite hard to read and make out the type; I think you’d have real trouble working out what it meant without your explanation, even if you knew it was something to do with the uptons.
That said, I imagine it’s really hard to come up with any ideas for that and I’m sure I couldn’t do any better…
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by Felonius_Monk on Feb 2, 2010 1:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I suppose you did not like the Expos logo either.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Feb 2, 2010 2:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree with everything said here, for what it's worth
Although I think the below coloring idea could be cool.
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by mojowo11 on Feb 2, 2010 2:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
some subtle background, maybe...?
something indicating speed
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Feb 2, 2010 3:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The thing about the background is that it wouldn't be a part of the logo...
…The original, I have as just B/W, nothing fancy. I imagine they’re lookin for something marketable… but way less ugly than Tom Brady’s logo.
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by vexedtechie on Feb 2, 2010 3:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I Would...
have different colors for the B and U bits…
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Feb 2, 2010 3:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Making one of them a different color would be better
s
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
by fourstick on Feb 2, 2010 2:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This reads funnier
if you pretend fourstick is referring to one of the Uptons and not the logo.
Make way for the Homo Superior.
by the red baron on Feb 2, 2010 11:46 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I smell a sitcom
or possibly an Eddie Murphy/Marlon Wayans vehicle.
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by Felonius_Monk on Feb 3, 2010 5:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
man, there will be no way to gather up all the sitcom suggestions of 2009
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Feb 3, 2010 11:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
One red for the Diamondbacks, and one dark blue for the Rays mebe?
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
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by Taskmaster on Feb 2, 2010 2:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd originally done that, but it looks kinda tacky
But I’ll give it another go and I’ll repost here.
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by vexedtechie on Feb 2, 2010 2:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not much of a fan, but when it comes down to it, this competition is fan-vote.
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by vexedtechie on Feb 2, 2010 3:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Like others have said, I think that works for BJ, not so much for Justin
What happens if you make the right and bottom part of the circle part of the “b” a third color, that would stand for BJ by himself? Too busy? Too confusing?
Time for a new sig.
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 2, 2010 3:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I blame all this confusion on BJ...
…if only he went by his real name…Melvin.
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by vexedtechie on Feb 2, 2010 3:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"I've Always been Intruiged by Women Named BJ"
- Agent Moolder
;=8)
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Feb 2, 2010 3:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You can't cow-ify Mulder's name, dammit!
I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...
by spants on Feb 2, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ah, the cow
it was confusing
or maybe it was cowfusing
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Feb 2, 2010 4:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Heeheeheheeee...
;=8)
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Feb 2, 2010 7:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you know what they do to cows, don't you
abductees
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Feb 2, 2010 7:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They just like our free fuel
methane
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Feb 2, 2010 10:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If only "Melvin Upton"
didn’t sound like the guy who spent his high school career extracting his head from the toilet post-swirly.
"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols
by splhcb67 on Feb 2, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Melvin Emmanuel Upton...
…I think he’d’a gotten crap for his name either way.
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by vexedtechie on Feb 2, 2010 4:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
they call him BJ
for a similar reason that this kid’s called Backrub
by _pistol_ on Feb 2, 2010 4:20 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
The use of the lower case /b/
and the upper case /J/ sets the the two brothers apart just fine. Big brother has to be able to swallow his pride and accept the tiny little b.J ustin will be ok with it, little brothers find it to be a Job living in hand-me-downs.
by Bottled Animal on Feb 2, 2010 7:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
*Flinches at appearance of the phrase "/b/" on VEB*
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
by mojowo11 on Feb 2, 2010 7:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
lulz sup /b/???!!1
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Feb 2, 2010 7:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i'm lost
is this math?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Feb 2, 2010 8:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
lurk moar.
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by vexedtechie on Feb 2, 2010 8:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i guess it's in the glossary, then?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Feb 2, 2010 8:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nope.
4chan.
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by vexedtechie on Feb 2, 2010 8:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
rules 1 and 2, f*ggot
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Feb 3, 2010 12:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Learn your rules.
I’ve not violated 1 &2; I mentioned 4chan, not the particular board that may or may not be in question.
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by vexedtechie on Feb 3, 2010 1:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i will lurkmoar =(
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Feb 3, 2010 1:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I, on the other hand, just don't give a crap
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
by mojowo11 on Feb 3, 2010 12:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Rules 1 and 2, man.
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by vexedtechie on Feb 2, 2010 8:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
thank you
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Feb 3, 2010 12:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
this is cool
but i think , like someone else mentioned, maybe the bottom right of the ‘b’ should be in the rays secondary color, so it doesn’t look like the b and j are for bj. that way you have bj in rays colors and a j by itself in dback red
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Feb 2, 2010 4:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What about a thin black U around the outside of the two colored letters?
Dunno how that would look, but that would emphasize the U more, which gets a little lost when you color them.
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
by mojowo11 on Feb 2, 2010 6:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking the same thing...
something to set the U apart.
* is an Asshat
Also, Dave Concepcion.
by RiverRat on Feb 2, 2010 6:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Seems like it has a fair similarity to
the Under Armour logo.
Time for a new sig.
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 2, 2010 3:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
...what?
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by vexedtechie on Feb 2, 2010 3:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes. Exactly the same.
I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...
by spants on Feb 2, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
copycat
hope you know you can get in big trouble…these folks have lawyers and all.
/who dat
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Feb 2, 2010 4:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Please don't tell. lol
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by vexedtechie on Feb 2, 2010 4:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I was commenting on the black-and-white version
but yeah, “fair similarity” is too strong. I guess it just reminded me of it, not enough to talk copyright infringement.
Time for a new sig.
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 2, 2010 4:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I can kinda see it...what with the intertwined lettering
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by vexedtechie on Feb 2, 2010 4:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
did you publicly slander vexedtechie?
phil mickelson wants to know.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Feb 2, 2010 4:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ads
Anyone else see the Kia advertisement on the front page ad-bar and get the feeling that lboros was watching you?
by cdb on Feb 2, 2010 1:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
You mean
the big red one-eyed guy, middle left?
Time for a new sig.
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 2, 2010 3:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
no, but when i see the beginning of the lexus commercial
that has the batman light shining on the clouds with the lexus logo instead, i think of vexed’s lboros call
R.P.O.F.Y.M.
by BVHeck on Feb 2, 2010 6:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
mlb.tv
has anyone tried to share an account before? in other words, does anyone know if you can log into one account from two different computers? i know gameday audio allows this. my buddy and i are thinking it would be wise to split the cost of mlb.tv.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
by IHeartBoog on Feb 2, 2010 1:57 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I could.
It was amazing. I have no idea why it worked. I think it just screwed up. SO I wouldn’t count on it.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Feb 2, 2010 4:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Never mind.
I would count on it. Sort of.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Feb 2, 2010 4:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I've done this with a group of three guys (myself included) for each of the past four years
occasionally one of us would get locked out (until someone else logged out), so I think it supports at least two, but probably not three simultaneous logins. This past season, I don’t remember ever having a problem logging in, but that might be because the three of us would usually watch the important games together, so we never really needed more than two logins at a time.
by brackenthebox on Feb 2, 2010 2:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
I just assumed if 2 separate IP’s were logged in it would shut down
by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 2, 2010 2:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
so two people can be logged in at the same time, but not three?
interesting.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
by IHeartBoog on Feb 2, 2010 3:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i wonder with spants idea of using the same proxy
You could share with more people than 2
by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 2, 2010 3:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
what does that mean, to use the same proxy?
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
by IHeartBoog on Feb 2, 2010 3:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
People in the STL area
are blacked out on mlb.com. This can be defeated by using a proxy IP, that is out of the broadcast area.
* is an Asshat
Also, Dave Concepcion.
by RiverRat on Feb 2, 2010 3:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ah.
well, I’m in phoenix, so blackouts aren’t a problem. but it’s funny because now a third friend wants to split the account. i suppose we will try this during ST and see if we can do it.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
by IHeartBoog on Feb 2, 2010 3:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But it now has a GPS so if you're from STL and travel somewhere it locates you and says
Oh look they aren’t in STL anymore so they can watch me!
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Feb 2, 2010 4:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i don't think you know how GPS works
by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 2, 2010 4:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well I know it's somehow connected to that series of tubes...
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
by ducttape16 on Feb 2, 2010 7:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
A Global Positioning System?
It can locate where you are. So if your address is STL based it won’t stop you from watching a game if you have traveled out of the St. Louis area because the GPS locates where you are. It used to not let you watch games based on what the address was. Even if you were out of town.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Feb 2, 2010 8:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That is just geo-tracking through your ip
I get what you are saying though
by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 2, 2010 8:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm pretty sure MLB is installing GPS units in their customers.
I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...
by spants on Feb 2, 2010 8:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That is why
I use this when I watch baseball games
by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 2, 2010 8:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well then I should have said GPS thing.
Which is usually what I call it since I know pretty much nothing about computers and technology.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Feb 2, 2010 8:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I love messing with people who know nothing about computers,
like when they ask for help I like to yell something like “don’t do that you’ll override the flux capacitor” and they usually have a panic attack.
by CodyG on Feb 2, 2010 9:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You need punched in your flux capacitor
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Feb 2, 2010 9:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I hate your mixed verb tense, but I love the sentiment.
I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...
by spants on Feb 2, 2010 9:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i think it comes off better the way he put it, though
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Feb 2, 2010 9:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I am on a two week lay-off
and I like drinking, and I have been known to at least maim, if not butcher, basic grammar. I just think I am in need of my daily lesson on using the English language.
C’mon, how did I fuck this one up?
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Feb 2, 2010 9:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I've heard the verb "tense" or "mood" you used before, and it works
Everyone was probably looking for “You need to be punched in your flux capacitor”
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Feb 2, 2010 9:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's right.
I hate when people mix future/present tense (“needs”) with past tense (“punched.”) I overlook a lot of stuff, but that shit makes my eyelid twitch.
I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...
by spants on Feb 2, 2010 9:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ahh yes
damned second languages!
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Feb 2, 2010 9:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, another pedant.
I’m not alone.
Time for a new sig.
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 3, 2010 12:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That would make me give up.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Feb 2, 2010 9:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But see I know what Flux Capacitor is referring to so I wouldn't trust you.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Feb 2, 2010 9:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Are we talkin' on a phone now?
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by vexedtechie on Feb 2, 2010 8:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
originally, it used billing adress on credit cards
which is why you couldn’t watch if you were out of town. it moved to IP address in 2008, IIRC.
it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie
by SleepyCA on Feb 2, 2010 9:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No.
Because we couldn’t watch cards games out of town in 2008. Last year was the first year we could.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Feb 2, 2010 9:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i moved to texas in 2008
signed up for mlb.tv using a debit card with a columbia address and was able to watch fine. i even thought about sharing my pw with my mom/stepdad and get theirs so they could watch astros games and me cards games, but it turned out to be unnecessary
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Feb 3, 2010 12:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well I couldn't.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Feb 3, 2010 9:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hahaha
you IP address is what tells them where you are
how would they get the tracker on you/your computer?
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Feb 3, 2010 12:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
they're in the basement?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Feb 3, 2010 12:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
OMG THEY PUT GPS IN YOUR COMPUTERS NOW THEIR WATCHING YOU RIGHT NOW!!!!!!111
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Feb 3, 2010 5:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Okay people I don't know any at all.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Feb 3, 2010 9:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
joking :-)
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Feb 3, 2010 11:11 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I know.
I wasn’t really angry. I just have no idea what an IP Address is. And the picture that shows up makes it look like a GPS thing. It is a liar! A liar!
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Feb 3, 2010 11:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And that's why you're a Mac.
* is an Asshat
Also, Dave Concepcion.
by RiverRat on Feb 3, 2010 11:57 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Pretty much.
And I’ll be the first to admit it.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Feb 3, 2010 12:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
to be honest, I'm not sure that they only validate by IP
because I’ve had trouble bringing up multiple machines on the same network (which would all have the same external IP).
by brackenthebox on Feb 2, 2010 3:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I might have to try mlb.tv
Just to see how I could best exploit their network. Someone let me borrow their account once so I could figure out how to get around the blackout rule. But that is the extent of me using it.
by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 2, 2010 3:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I've had two computers in the same location running it, too.
I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...
by spants on Feb 2, 2010 3:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I can't say for sure that three is the limit
but there definitely seems to be some limit. I’ve never tested exhaustively.
by brackenthebox on Feb 2, 2010 3:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i've had it tell me
that i’ve logged in with too many IPs before when i wasn’t even sharing. it’s not something i would do if i were relying on it for my games
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Feb 2, 2010 3:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well maybe that's it, there's some kind of IP limit. This makes me think you'd probably
be ok splitting it with one other person, maybe even two, as long as you all use your home networks and aren’t constantly watching games while out on public networks. Like I said, you might wanna try it with a month subscription before you spring for the year, although I guess that would bar you from spring training games. There is no consensus on the internet btw, but after some googling I’ve found many more accounts of people being successful with splitting than being unsuccessful
by mattyp on Feb 2, 2010 3:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it's worth a try
but be ready to drop the cash on your own account if it doesn’t work out. even if it only causes problems 10% of time, for me, that’s way too often to be having hitches in watching my cardinal baseball
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Feb 2, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i feel the same way
and yes, it appears that most people are able to split. i don’t think two will be a problem, but three might be. i will definitely try this out during spring training. i suppose the worst thing that happens is we have continual problems and we have to buy another account. or we go to jail.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
by IHeartBoog on Feb 2, 2010 4:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
get a lawyer
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Feb 2, 2010 4:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I am a lawyer.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
by IHeartBoog on Feb 2, 2010 4:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yes, of course.
but why do you keep telling me?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Feb 2, 2010 4:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well if you knew that why did you tell me to get one?
or were you being ironic?
p.s. I am on a big document review project and I came across a document discussing Scott Boras. it was awesome.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
by IHeartBoog on Feb 2, 2010 4:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, just joking around
when you were searching for an answer the other day (ludwick worked for you) i suggested you just make up a name because, after all, you’re a lawyer.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Feb 2, 2010 4:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
oh yeah, lol
unfortunately, my argument was with another lawyer, so I couldn’t pull my regular shenanigans.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
by IHeartBoog on Feb 2, 2010 5:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Just for the record
I don’t think they could every tie your mlb.tv account to one IP. For the reason that so many people use mlb.tv when they are traveling.
by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 2, 2010 4:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
MAC Address?
or is that primarily used for LAN networking instead of WAN?
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by vexedtechie on Feb 2, 2010 4:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh totally.
I vacationed in Mexico pretty much the entirety of last season. I made a few stops in Peru, Canada, and Russia, too.
I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...
by spants on Feb 2, 2010 4:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well, they're all pretty close together
may as well hit ’em all
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Feb 2, 2010 4:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, that makes sense
makes me think there must be some kind of limit for distinct IPs that cuts off access once you exceed it, but it must be a least somewhat generous.
by mattyp on Feb 2, 2010 4:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
True.
I use it at school and home so they’re totally different.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Feb 2, 2010 4:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that' not really what i meant
basically, i just once got an error saying i had too many simultaneous logins
i’ve used mlb.tv from numerous different IPs
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Feb 2, 2010 4:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think you can
its just a matter of whether or not they catch you. I’m sure they can see when your account is being logged into from different IP addresses, so they might be able to catch it. Worst that would happen is they would give you a warning to stop and if you don’t they’ll cancel your account. Maybe buy the month package for the first month and see if it works, and if so spring for the year package.
by mattyp on Feb 2, 2010 2:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes. You can do this.
A friend of mine and I did this, but because we were both in blackout territory, we had to make sure to use the same proxy. It was only a problem when one of the proxies stopped working.
I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...
by spants on Feb 2, 2010 2:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I should've read the other replies first.
I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...
by spants on Feb 2, 2010 2:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I share with a friend
Never had any problems, even with simultaneous login.
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
by mojowo11 on Feb 2, 2010 2:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i did it all last year
with buddies in different far-flung states on the same account at the same time. we just gave it a try and couldn’t believe it was so easy – concluded mlb.tv was allowing it to promote the product (or stupid), so it could be a problem this year…or they could be stupid.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Feb 2, 2010 3:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
oh they're definitely stupid to some degree, or at least the technology is
I was getting “local black-outs” of Cardinals games this past season even though I’m 2000 freaking miles from STL. Had to call their awful customer service and dictate my IP address over the phone as the CSR on the other end manually entered it in,
by mattyp on Feb 2, 2010 3:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that settles it then
one account shared by all of VEB! and flim can get around the blackouts – the only time i was subjected was during fox saturday games, iirc. you could watch the archive an hour or two later.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Feb 2, 2010 4:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
awesome, everyone just contribute 12 cents to the collective pot.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
by IHeartBoog on Feb 2, 2010 4:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Can you go 'head and pitch in a quarter?
Then I’ll freeload.
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by vexedtechie on Feb 2, 2010 4:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, in Phoenix they were blacking out the Padres games
ridiculous since SD is 5-6 hours away. i complained and they fixed it.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
by IHeartBoog on Feb 2, 2010 4:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Me & my buddy do this
and it has always, always worked. We can both log on at the same time even, and have NEVER been locked out. It makes a lot of sense and (living in the UK) we get good value out of it. I say go for it!
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Feb 2, 2010 5:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There is Baseball on
if anyone is interested. MLB network has the Caribbean series on.
* is an Asshat
Also, Dave Concepcion.
by RiverRat on Feb 2, 2010 2:49 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
i miss last year's WBC
and all that fine drama with Piñeiro, and the catharsis game for Yadi. also, honkbal ftw.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Feb 2, 2010 3:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
On the related fanshots
on the side bar, there was the one about Joe Mather having a 3rd wrist surgery. It took a bit of panic and searching to realize that it was not this week. whew!
by WyoCardsFan on Feb 2, 2010 3:47 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
he is currently rehabbing and hopefully will be available by spring training
Per the Cardinals Minor League Director John Vuch
by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 2, 2010 3:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Veb Shirt Idea
a rip from one of The Onion’s best effort their shirt states “I appreciate the Muppets on a much deeper level than you” how about the same for baseball? Maybe some design genius (vexed I am looking your way) could rough out some preliminary designs.
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by TomCat009 on Feb 2, 2010 5:40 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
You do realize we have a VEB T-shirt
by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 2, 2010 5:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah just throwing out some
new ideas hoping everyone else does too
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by TomCat009 on Feb 2, 2010 5:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
VEB clothing line?
i’m looking forward to the chebird thong!
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Feb 2, 2010 5:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe a gold one?
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by TomCat009 on Feb 2, 2010 5:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that's so 2009
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
by STLRegalia on Feb 2, 2010 5:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
how about one that
that reads “SABR girls know that mean is just another word for average”
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by TomCat009 on Feb 2, 2010 5:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
does that imply
the wearer is not really mean, just your average *?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Feb 2, 2010 6:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
rather that sabr girls know they should be
above being mean
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by TomCat009 on Feb 2, 2010 6:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But what about when you're good at WAR?
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Feb 2, 2010 6:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Front: WAR - What is it good for?
Back: Assessing past value.
I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...
by spants on Feb 2, 2010 6:36 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
Rec'd!
Time for a new sig.
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 2, 2010 7:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So if I took the album cover...
This:
Replaced “Edwin Starr” with Viva El Birdos
Replaced Starr’s face with a players face
Replaced “He Who Picks a Rose” with “What is it good for?”
Then the tagline on the back…
Who’s face?
Note: Above comment may contain gratuitous amounts of sarcasm.
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by vexedtechie on Feb 3, 2010 1:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Lugo Stare would be scariest
but who besides the mang could it be
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by TomCat009 on Feb 3, 2010 1:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
this pic
http://www.mvpujols.com/images/albert-pujols-wallpaper-1.jpg
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Feb 3, 2010 1:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i just think it's a funny pic
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Feb 3, 2010 2:03 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think we
are looking for a pic of the look that makes boog nervous
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by TomCat009 on Feb 3, 2010 2:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dont worry. I got it.
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by vexedtechie on Feb 3, 2010 2:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe see if you can
remove the indent from the record in that picture as well
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by TomCat009 on Feb 3, 2010 1:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
....are you serious?!
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by vexedtechie on Feb 3, 2010 1:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
An mar a bhíonn tú
or “Do as you do” I am not going to hold picassos brush for him but I like this pic for the face
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by TomCat009 on Feb 3, 2010 1:59 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
you get a rec for irish language posting from me.
automatic.
"It doesn't have to be terribly prolific! Just so that it isn't childish and silly." She reflected. "I prefer stories about squalor." J.D.S.
by tom s. on Feb 3, 2010 2:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I would just start from scratch. Shouldn't be hard.
"Forget it, spants. It's Chinatown." - tom s.
by spants on Feb 3, 2010 2:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What I planned on.
Gotta go get a 2am snack, then nose to the grindstone
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by vexedtechie on Feb 3, 2010 2:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
VT
that looks like a tricky ‘shop job to pull off. You’re a ninja but still, good luck to ya.
by nota bene on Feb 3, 2010 2:03 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's pretty basic.
"Forget it, spants. It's Chinatown." - tom s.
by spants on Feb 3, 2010 2:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well, let's see it
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Feb 3, 2010 2:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
VT already said he'd do it.
Besides, I’m not about to set myself up to be VEB’s second photoshop bitch.
"Forget it, spants. It's Chinatown." - tom s.
by spants on Feb 3, 2010 2:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and I thought I already assumed that role
by CodyG on Feb 3, 2010 2:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why did you leave the selection lines around that?
"Forget it, spants. It's Chinatown." - tom s.
by spants on Feb 3, 2010 2:11 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
late reply, but the reason I did that was
because my shop software froze and would let me save, so I did a quick screen shot.
by CodyG on Feb 3, 2010 7:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I've had to do that before.
"Forget it, spants. It's Chinatown." - tom s.
by spants on Feb 3, 2010 8:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the indent makes that picture
I also think it should stay, it would make it look like this version has been around for quite awhile
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Feb 3, 2010 2:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I can't wait to see this
of course after all this is done, someone has to re-do the lyrics, all sabermetrically styled.
I’ve actually tried this more than once, and it isn’t as easy as I thought it would be.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Feb 3, 2010 2:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
A few pick selections for the stare
http://www.free-sport-wallpapers.com/baseball/albert_pujols.jpg
http://www2.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/St+Louis+Cardinals+Photo+Day+C6azCWMLdtKl.jpg
http://cdn.bleacherreport.com/images_root/slideshows/436/slideshow_43668/display_image.jpg
http://www.pentictontoday.com/pictures/1124200953645P.jpg
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by TomCat009 on Feb 3, 2010 2:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And here we go!
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by vexedtechie on Feb 3, 2010 2:57 AM EST up reply actions 9 recs
it looks great
people are going to think the mang is on a campaign for peace but those who get it will love it
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by TomCat009 on Feb 3, 2010 2:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I could put place a period between the letters...
…designate that it is, in fact, an acronym
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by vexedtechie on Feb 3, 2010 3:03 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nah.
I think it’s much better with more of the original look to the text.
Make way for the Homo Superior.
by the red baron on Feb 3, 2010 3:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Just to be contrary (and because I do actually believe it)
i think the periods are a good idea.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Feb 3, 2010 6:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But little bitty periods
so you have to look to see them
by ArkansasTravs on Feb 3, 2010 4:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nice work
any way I can get it not in Orioles colors?
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
by ducttape16 on Feb 3, 2010 3:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely. I was just goin' with the original album cover
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by vexedtechie on Feb 3, 2010 3:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I figured that's what you were doing...
just after realizing how good the work was… Orioles jumped into my head.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
by ducttape16 on Feb 3, 2010 3:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that is fantastic
shame you couldn’t work “8.4” in there somehow, though.
it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie
by SleepyCA on Feb 3, 2010 10:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Cardinal Red.
And on a shirt
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by vexedtechie on Feb 3, 2010 3:24 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
this is all pretty badass
of course, apu is involved, but still, cool work.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Feb 3, 2010 5:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
on a red shirt
how would it look if you inverted the red and black, make his face red and the background and letters black?
Seems like it would “flow” better.
it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie
by SleepyCA on Feb 3, 2010 10:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
erm, face black and backgroud red.
it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie
by SleepyCA on Feb 3, 2010 10:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ha
i don’t know what happened, but you had a fanpost on it last season and next day when i went to check it out to buy a shirt the whole post was gone.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Feb 2, 2010 5:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's not like Highlander, Flim.
I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...
by spants on Feb 2, 2010 6:02 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
i just want to get rid of all these shirts at my house
by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 2, 2010 6:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I would've bought one if you didn't have the number on Chebird's hat.
I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...
by spants on Feb 2, 2010 6:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I know. I know.
I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...
by spants on Feb 2, 2010 6:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Just get a black marker
and fill it in.
* is an Asshat
Also, Dave Concepcion.
by RiverRat on Feb 2, 2010 6:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You know I'm a girl, right?
I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...
by spants on Feb 2, 2010 6:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Can girls not work black markers?
by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 2, 2010 6:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If it was a speck of missing paint, I'd turn to a Sharpie.
But a large area? I’m just not that ghetto.
I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...
by spants on Feb 2, 2010 6:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Eff you, Joe Camel
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by redbirdnation8206 on Feb 2, 2010 6:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
animal cruelty.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Feb 2, 2010 7:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There is no such thing as a cool snake...
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
by ducttape16 on Feb 2, 2010 7:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll give you that.
I hate snakes. How people keep them as pets I’ll never understand.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
by ducttape16 on Feb 2, 2010 7:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
my snake and I resent that.
(also, she’s cheap to take care of, thinks my ability to generate my own body heat is the best thing ever, and as long as I don’t disturb her too much, she doesn’t disturb me.)
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Feb 2, 2010 8:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't care
still hate snakes. Still don’t get snakes.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
by ducttape16 on Feb 2, 2010 9:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
all they are good for
is nightmares…and boots and such, i guess.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Feb 2, 2010 9:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nice to see some reasonable people in here...
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
by ducttape16 on Feb 2, 2010 9:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
if it makes you feel any better
i’m sure small snakes have nightmares of giant walking slabs of dinner that can step on them
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Feb 2, 2010 10:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
do snakes dream?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Feb 2, 2010 10:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think the reptilian brain
is involved in the dreaming process.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
by ducttape16 on Feb 2, 2010 10:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I love snakes, I have ten in my bedroom, and they devour mice like crazy.
If anything snakes are cooler than dogs.
by CodyG on Feb 2, 2010 10:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And by making that point
I think you are more into torturing mice than you are into snakes.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
by ducttape16 on Feb 2, 2010 10:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
torture?
there are dead frozen mice for sell at some stores.
by CodyG on Feb 2, 2010 10:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I apologize
I’ve only ever seen people use live mice. I was unaware of the options…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
by ducttape16 on Feb 2, 2010 10:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
nice incision there
re: feeders – humanely killed ftw.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Feb 2, 2010 11:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
get a new bedroom?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Feb 2, 2010 10:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I have this cool snake that is all red,except his mouth which is yellow.
by CodyG on Feb 2, 2010 10:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"Fredbird"?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Feb 2, 2010 11:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
niiice.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Feb 2, 2010 11:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I see a lot of similarities...
both look stupid and should be culled…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
by ducttape16 on Feb 2, 2010 11:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
don't be alarmed
by that van on your street
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Feb 2, 2010 11:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sankes in a van?
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
by ducttape16 on Feb 2, 2010 11:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My wallet
bears a striking resemblance to his from Pulp Fiction… I love that thing.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
by ducttape16 on Feb 2, 2010 11:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So is this a make or break year for Anderson?
My gut is telling me yes. He’s not impressed at any time at AAA and was never really reputed to be a really dynamic bat anyway. If he doesn’t make strides this season, is he toast? I was kind of hoping he’d make strides and become a useful backup around this time.
Why is Stavinoha still around? He can’t hit, doesn’t walk, and fields about as well as a scarecrow. These are things that have been demonstrated quite clearly, I thought.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Feb 2, 2010 6:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I agree with your gut about Anderson.
As for Stav, I have no idea why we still have him. I’m sure they’ve tried trading him.
I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...
by spants on Feb 2, 2010 6:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think they are holding out for 2 bags of balls
by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 2, 2010 6:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
“To me, it’s always a good idea to always carry two sacks of something when you walk around. That way, if anybody says, ‘Hey, can you give me a hand?,’ you can say, ‘Sorry, got these sacks.’”
by Mister Eff on Feb 2, 2010 6:16 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Mo drives a hard bargain
It seems a fair trade would be two baseballs, considering that he’s only hit two of them in his big league career. Two bags… wow.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Feb 2, 2010 6:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
this is probably his last year with us
since he’ll be a minor league FA next year… it really is amazing that we’ve kept him around this long, though.
Anderson probably has at least some value as long as he can pretend to catch…
it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie
by SleepyCA on Feb 2, 2010 6:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Bryan Anderson is already a better player than LaRue
But LaRussa has shown all he cares about for backup catchers is their fielding ability. Doesn’t care about the bat at all.
by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 2, 2010 6:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
don't forget last names
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Feb 2, 2010 6:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you mean
how larussa begins with larue?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Feb 2, 2010 6:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
no i mean
how pagnozzi begins with pagnozzi
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Feb 2, 2010 8:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you sure it has nothing to do
with larue’s mustache?
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by zoomzoomj88 on Feb 2, 2010 6:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
U Mean Pornstache...
;=8)
Big McLargehuge!
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by The MooCow on Feb 2, 2010 7:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Bryan Anderson is already a better player than LaRue
From what I’ve seen and heard of various attempts to qualify Anderson’s catching, he’s pretty bad. Although CHONE only rates his defense as a likely -12 next year, I’m not sure how they come to that figure.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Feb 3, 2010 6:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hey man
I’m magic with the leather
They say sing while you slave but I just get bored
by Scarecrow7775 on Feb 2, 2010 7:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's what she said?
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
by ducttape16 on Feb 2, 2010 7:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
She definitely said that out here in San Francisco
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
by mojowo11 on Feb 2, 2010 9:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I've never been out there...
but I’m a bit scared of the town. There was a Mythbusters where they were trying to punch sharks. So they went to a shop that sold plastic hands… in a fist option or a more pointed configuration… From what it looked like on camera it was a rather spacious store…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
by ducttape16 on Feb 2, 2010 9:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's good to be open-minded if you plan on living in the city
This place is the kinky capital of the world.
Also a very bad place to be homophobic.
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
by mojowo11 on Feb 3, 2010 12:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm open minded
it’s just that after a certain amount I get overwhelmed and start getting angry.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
by ducttape16 on Feb 3, 2010 11:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
sounds like somebody needs a massage.
it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie
by SleepyCA on Feb 4, 2010 12:09 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This is perfect.
"Forget it, spants. It's Chinatown." - tom s.
by spants on Feb 4, 2010 12:11 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yay I love watching it come back around
self referential humor is the best
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by TomCat009 on Feb 4, 2010 12:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I consider Homophobia to be a basic safety precaution
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by TomCat009 on Feb 4, 2010 12:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Watching out for the turd cutter
is never frowned upon in my book, be you male or female… I would also like to make it known I’ve been drinking for awhile before making this comment… but the sentiment is consistent with sober me… perhaps just not the prose…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
by ducttape16 on Feb 4, 2010 4:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously Homosapians will kill you dead, like proper dead
a sizable portion of them are quite scary
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by TomCat009 on Feb 5, 2010 12:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Am I the only one not aware of this?
Albert is gonna be a father again— any day
You have to get all the way to the bottom of the article… If its a boy, it looks like the next 40 years are gonna be good for the Cardinals (… I mean, AJ is already signed, right?)
Don't ping my cheese with your bandwidth.
by RosevilleRedbird on Feb 2, 2010 6:46 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
where the heck did my link go??
by RosevilleRedbird on Feb 2, 2010 6:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
one last time, the old fashioned way
Don't ping my cheese with your bandwidth.
by RosevilleRedbird on Feb 2, 2010 6:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Watch it with the Cowtown Remarks...
:=8/
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Feb 2, 2010 7:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You know what they do to cows
in KC, don’t you?
* is an Asshat
Also, Dave Concepcion.
by RiverRat on Feb 2, 2010 7:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ummm....
…wait until then come home, from partying all night???
;=8)
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Feb 2, 2010 7:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey MC-
I love cows, I really do. I grew up next to a dairy, so the smell of cows doesn’t really bother me. And they taste great when properly grilled! ;-)
Don't ping my cheese with your bandwidth.
by RosevilleRedbird on Feb 2, 2010 7:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
good for tipping
They say sing while you slave but I just get bored
by Scarecrow7775 on Feb 2, 2010 7:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Boooo, Both of you!
:=8P
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Feb 2, 2010 10:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So do HUmans when properly grill, presumably...
:=8/
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Feb 2, 2010 10:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
perhaps not, but think of the babysitting money he must get
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Feb 2, 2010 7:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
computer question
So, last night my computer decided it didn’t want to recognize any usb devices, at all. I’ve tried restarting, shutting down, and it still doesn’t work, not even a mouse or a hard drive or mp3 player can be recognized. I’ve never had this happen before, I have Vista. any recommendations?
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 2, 2010 7:08 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
i would first check to see if it is a software problem
I hope you have non-usb mouse . I would go to Control Panel>System>Device Manager>Universal Serial Bus controllers to see if sticks out.
But if you have a usb keyboard and can’t get to the bios right off the bat. By hitting F1 or F2. Than it is a hardware problem.
by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 2, 2010 7:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it's weird because it won't recognize any devices
and they all used to work fine. might have to call the computer company
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 2, 2010 7:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
everything is coming up as an unknown device
time to call tech support heh
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 2, 2010 7:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i would try to do a system restore first
by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 2, 2010 7:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
what operating system?
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Feb 2, 2010 10:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
get a mac
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
by sportsman on Feb 2, 2010 7:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
did you already blow through
your VEB signing bonus?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Feb 2, 2010 7:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That sounds suspiciously like a Vista problem
Sorry I can’t be more help than that but Vista likes to f with people, so maybe you need to contact the pros from Dover (or wherever the call center help line is located).
Good luck!
They say sing while you slave but I just get bored
by Scarecrow7775 on Feb 2, 2010 7:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it has been rectified
had to take out the battery and power cord, and do a hardware reset. now the usb works again.
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 2, 2010 7:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that's good to know
at least I got another chance to trash vista. what a cluster-fuck OS.
They say sing while you slave but I just get bored
by Scarecrow7775 on Feb 2, 2010 8:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hey
at least it is a shit ton better than millennium edition. that said, I missed getting Windows 7 free upgrade by like a week. argh
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 2, 2010 8:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
do less for more money!
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Feb 2, 2010 10:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
facebook memes are attacking me!
so sick of the doppelganger and urbandictionary your name thing
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 2, 2010 8:01 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
i hate facebook
My entire family is on my friends list or wants to be. I need another facebook account. One that is not connected to my family
by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 2, 2010 8:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
opposite for me
no family on there except the youngers. and I’m the only one who actually checks it every day.
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 2, 2010 9:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
my step Grandma just asked to be my friend
I don’t really like to share stuff with people.
by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 2, 2010 9:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I just post shit that I know will make most people hide or delete me
I love being able to offend almost everyone I come across just by being myself.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Feb 2, 2010 9:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
that’s pretty much how I operate on there. sick of censoring or filtering myself
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 2, 2010 11:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I have no family members at all on the facebook
granted I also don’t have their email addresses because I don’t particularly care to talk to them unless I absolutely have to, so maybe I’m not the best example.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
by ducttape16 on Feb 2, 2010 9:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Lots of weird cow jokes and puns.
Yep, surprising, I know…
;=8)
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Feb 2, 2010 10:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Jeff Weaver has been re-signed
by the Dodgers! Sob!!!
Time for a new sig.
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 2, 2010 9:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
damn
they’re assembling a powerhouse.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Feb 2, 2010 9:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Kip Wells better be sitting by the phone.
by CodyG on Feb 2, 2010 9:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Especially if a red C and pin stripes were involved.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
by ducttape16 on Feb 2, 2010 9:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't know if I should watch the new Lost episode
Or finish rewatching the show first
by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 2, 2010 9:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
So, anything interesting happen today?
by vivaelpujols on Feb 2, 2010 10:00 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I believe he said interesting
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
by ducttape16 on Feb 2, 2010 10:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This is OT but it fits here. I'm sorry.
I was going to post it in the other thread but those were all Lost fans.
http://www.theonion.com/content/video/final_season_of_lost_promises_to
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Feb 2, 2010 10:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I love that video podcast
one of the best things I’ve ever decided to sign up for.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
by ducttape16 on Feb 2, 2010 10:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I have not
where might I find this?
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
by ducttape16 on Feb 3, 2010 1:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That requires work...
But I’ll head that way.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
by ducttape16 on Feb 3, 2010 2:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, Since U Asked...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Q02weIJD3I
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Feb 2, 2010 10:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
silly moo cow
!Now become a hamburger like your father!
by CodyG on Feb 2, 2010 10:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
:=8P
I figured this would irritate all the Star Wars nerdlings out there…
;=8)
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Feb 2, 2010 10:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think
this will too…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
by ducttape16 on Feb 2, 2010 10:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
pretty much
nope
it’s supposed to snow like hell again in a couple days ARRGH
by nota bene on Feb 2, 2010 10:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i voted for a guy that dropped out of the race this weekend.
fml.
Heaven has brick walls and St. Peter is a red bird.
by EinFesteBusch on Feb 2, 2010 10:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Of Course there is always Dancing Monkeys...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3r4xYqhc3Ns
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Feb 2, 2010 10:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe this has been covered already
but it looks like the baby bears will be going to arbitration with Theriot. first time since Mark Grace.
Heaven has brick walls and St. Peter is a red bird.
by EinFesteBusch on Feb 2, 2010 10:40 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Anyone heard anything more about Schu?
When is the deadline for settling before going to arb?
by ArkansasTravs on Feb 3, 2010 4:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought about saving this for the regular season
but it’s too awesome not to share, and I’m bored:
by nota bene on Feb 2, 2010 10:45 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
now I'm going to save this for the regular season as well.
you better be a quick draw.
by CodyG on Feb 2, 2010 10:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If someone can somehow photoshop the nutshot in there
That would be fantastic
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Feb 2, 2010 10:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Psh
You’re no vexedtechie
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Feb 2, 2010 11:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he tried to fit a round ball...
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Feb 2, 2010 11:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Thanks!
Also, suck it, Cody. lol
L2Mask
Note: Above comment may contain gratuitous amounts of sarcasm.
BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS
by vexedtechie on Feb 3, 2010 1:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I've never been more thankful for a subject line...
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
by ducttape16 on Feb 2, 2010 11:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it was the fall that just makes it...whatever
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Feb 2, 2010 11:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
possibly the most awkward play ever filmed
not involving Jose Canseco, Manny Ramirez, or a Cub
by nota bene on Feb 2, 2010 11:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
+million
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Feb 2, 2010 11:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Somehow I miss Chris Perez and Jess Todd watching that gif
Can’t figure out why
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Feb 2, 2010 11:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You are a troll.
I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...
by spants on Feb 2, 2010 11:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
whose side is he on?
you may be right.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Feb 2, 2010 11:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
no, I was looking for the holliday shot like Jd wanted and I came upon this as well.
I have yet to see a gif for this, so I posted it.Also I remember wanting something like this a few days ago when we were discussing how bad the trade was, and why Craig never was given a shot.
by CodyG on Feb 2, 2010 11:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Post a link!
I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...
by spants on Feb 2, 2010 11:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The gif.
You go and post one two of the ugliest things I’ve seen in Cardinals post-season baseball while we’re all jonesing like heroin addicts. Makes me f*cking cranky.
I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...
by spants on Feb 2, 2010 11:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
sorry, I'm anticipating the season as well, I guess I can laugh off the bad plays easier than most.
to make up for it here’s a jimmy swing
ttp://www.jeffnyveen.com/portfolio/writing/hitting/examples/edmonds5.gif
by CodyG on Feb 2, 2010 11:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
by CodyG on Feb 2, 2010 11:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Much better.
I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...
by spants on Feb 3, 2010 12:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the road to redemption isn't long, is it?
by CodyG on Feb 3, 2010 12:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i hear it passes thru perdition
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Feb 3, 2010 12:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
think he got stuck
in a morass of glue
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Feb 3, 2010 12:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
congealed bacon grease
lard?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Feb 3, 2010 12:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i dunno, lol'd
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Feb 3, 2010 12:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the phillies may know they're getting a derosa with a torn flexor sheath,
but do they know they’re getting a derosa who had to stand up to whatever chris carpenter did to him after this? i don’t want to think about it, honestly.
"It doesn't have to be terribly prolific! Just so that it isn't childish and silly." She reflected. "I prefer stories about squalor." J.D.S.
by tom s. on Feb 3, 2010 12:05 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
gah! giants.
"It doesn't have to be terribly prolific! Just so that it isn't childish and silly." She reflected. "I prefer stories about squalor." J.D.S.
by tom s. on Feb 3, 2010 12:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he'll likely never recover
good non-signing
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Feb 3, 2010 12:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
rec
he was scared to death before he joined our clubhouse, and though I didn’t watch it, he was rocking in a corner at the end, there.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Feb 3, 2010 11:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
DeRo's really an innovator
going for the ol’ 5-9-3 double play. He’s a man ahead of his time.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Feb 3, 2010 7:05 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
we just give him a pass because of his dashing good looks.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT