Dear Mr. and Mrs. Mozeliak, Trois
Enclosed you will find Johnny's grades for the term just completed. I encourage you to go over Johnny's marks with him at your leisure, as the best way for a student to understand where his future lies is through parental and scholarly involvement.
This year was one of great growth for John. We all watched as his various projects grew in size and sophistication, going from the middle of the pack with so many other children to the very top of the class, a feat you should surely be proud of. He also progressed greatly in his study of finances. Why, I remember a time when Johnny would go the very first day of apple season and not only buy an apple, but buy several apples at once for much more than they were worth. Now, he's so grown up seeming, refusing to pay a premium for goods in class just because they're new to the market. My one concern has to do with his eating habits: I feel I must inform you that John often trades his lunch for candy bars, giving up several nutritious and healthy foodstuffs for one treat which doesn't provide the nutrition he truly needs. He seems especially partial to Mark Bars, but also seems to get fooled by other boys trading him smashed or damaged ones when dealing with them. Still, it's a minor concern in a boy's life and I trust you'll have the necessary discussion with him.
On a personal note, I wish to convey with the greatest possible sincerity my regret in not having spoken to you in quite some time. I'm sure you were informed by the headmaster I had taken safari at last term's end, having been instructed by my wife's physician to remove her to more temperate climes for a period of recuperation. Thus, the grades were delivered without my prior approval or notations, leaving, I'm sure, all of you somewhat in the dark as to the particulars of your child's development. I do apologise once again, and remain, as always,
Sincerely Yours,
Dr. Major General Reinhold Alexander Zacharias "Red" Baroninger, esq
So here we sit, at the tail end of the 2009/2010 offseason, and we have at least a fairly clear picture of what the Cardinals' team will look like in the upcoming season. There are competitions to be competed in spring training, of course, which will determine many of the margin spots on the roster, but the outline of the team is clear. The major parts are in place, and the holes are mostly visible.
Thus, I think it's high time we took a look at the job Johnny Mo did turning the 2009 Cardinals, who took a huge step from transition to competitiveness, into an even brighter outlook for 2010.
Signings
There weren't a ton of moves made by Mozeliak before the 2009 season; the team was largely in transition still and there was a strong desire to let the roster reset itself a bit as the Cards pared back dead limbs and brought in fresh talent from the farm. As a result, the payroll fell from over $99 million in 2008 to just over $88 million in 2009.
The signings in 2010 have been much more interesting, as a whole. Where the 2009 Cardinals were about finishing the reset begun as far back as 2007, the 2010 Cardinals are about the beginning of a new competitive era.
Matt Holliday - Alright, let me get this right out in the open up front: it's too many years, and an awful lot of money.
Now that that's been said, the fact is the Cardinals signed one of the biggest free agents in their recent history. Holliday is one of the best left fielders in baseball, if not the best, depending on what you think of Ryan Braun's defense. Holliday is a game-changing player; a force in the lineup to complement Albert. (I say complement, not protect. Pay attention, media guys.)
As for the contract itself, I think the Cardinals should have been able to get something done with Holliday for less. So few teams were really in position to bid on his this year that I thought his ultimate price would fall further than what it did. The problem with that line of thinking, of course, is we don't really know all the details of the negotiations, or what other offers there may have been on the table. We do know Holliday has stated publicly his highest priority was to get as long a deal as possible so as to stay in one place, and we can speculate with a reasonable amount of certainty that, at some price point, the Yankees would have just gone ahead and signed him just because he was there.
What is overlooked, I think, is the impact the deferred money has on the value of Holliday's contract. Two million per year of his salary will be deferred without interest, to be paid out from 2020-2029. I know the Cardinals still include that $2 million in this year's salary numbers, but the fact is there's $2 million worth of flexibility in the payroll if they really need it that wouldn't have been there without the deferrments. And because the money is deferred sans interest, it will actually cost the Cardinals much less than the stated cost to pay Holliday. An excellent contract detail that I don't think has gotten enough attention.
Grade: B
Brad Penny - Brad Penny is an interesting case. On the surface, he looks a bit like a big (very big), lottery ticket, but on closer inspection, you have to worry a bit about just how much trust the Cardinals are putting into him. The Cardinals have two co-ace type pitchers, one of whom is infamously injury prone, and unlikely to pitch the entire season without at least something taking a bite out of him. Their #3 is Kyle Lohse, who has never been much better than mediocre in his career and was bitten by the injury bug for the first time in 2009. The #5 spot is an open invitation to half a dozen pitchers to come in and try to win a spot. For a rotation so good last season, there's a surprising amount of uncertainty surrounding this group going into 2010.
So in comes Brad Penny, essentially replacing Joel Pineiro and his Magic Sinking Sphere of Wonder. Here's my incredibly jumbled-up way of looking at Brad Penny's chances this year: Brad Penny has very little chance of being as good this year as Joel Pineiro was last year. However, Brad Penny also has a better chance of being better this year than Pineiro was last year than nearly any other pitcher on the market, including, quite possibly, Joel Pineiro.
Now let me explain that. Of all the free agent pitchers on the market, the two I thought best fit the Cardinals' needs and capacities were John Smoltz and Brad Penny. John Lackey was, let's face it, well out of the budget. Most of the other pitchers who might command mulitple years didn't fit largely because of Kyle Lohse's albatross. So what the Cards really needed was a pitcher who would take a one-year deal, who could hopefully deliver some innings, and who has at least a chance of replicating El Pinata's 2009 performance.
Brad Penny fit the bill best of anyone on the market. Even Smoltz, who I love as a pitcher and would still dearly love to see back in a Redbird uni this year, comes with more concerns in terms of innings that Penny. I believe Smoltz is healthy and will pitch very well for someone this year, but if I need someone who can give me 180 innings, I'll have to take the guy who's 10 years younger and has a track record of durability. Penny was the best option, I believe, for the Cardinals. Sure, I would love to have seen a Rich Harden or someone, but with as many question marks as the Cards already have in the rotation, I'm just not sure they could afford to take that risk.
Grade: A-
Rich Hill - It's shocking how quickly you get to Rich Hill, isn't it? He's basically the third-biggest signing of the Cardinals' offseason, and he's just a non-roster invitee. Still, considering just how unsettled the back end of the Cards' 2010 rotation could very well be, we might be seeing more of Hill than we hope.
I will say this: Rich Hill is certainly one of the more interesting names on the market. When he was right, Rich Hill was a bad, bad man with a bad, bad curveball. I remember, quite clearly, looking ahead to Cubs series in 2007 and just dreading having to see Hill, convinced he was going to toss a gem. I can't say I've ever really thought that about any of the other bargain-basement pitchers who were out there for the plucking.
So he's interesting, and makes no money. The downside? Well, Hill has as bad a case of Steve Blass Disease as you're ever going to see, and could very well just be done. Still, if he's that awful, you just cut him loose, and there's really no loss. Hill is an interesting arm with no real downside because he cost essentially nothing. Now, we can debate whether or not he has upside as well...
Grade: B-
Ruben Gotay - Ruben Gotay had an on-base percentage of .426 last year in Triple A. That's good enough for me.
Now, I should also say Ruben Gotay doesn't do a whole lot else that's really all that exciting. He's a journeyman utility infielder, just the sort of guy you should expect to see getting a spring training invite. His fielding has always been okay, he runs alright, doesn't hit for much power; you know, utility infielder stuff. But he does have one very interesting facet, and it's that OBP last year. Sure, that's all he's got, but that's more than most others of his type.
And this is something I find very encouraging about the Cardinals' non-roster guys this year. Each of the guys they've brought in from elsewhere have something about them that makes them more interesting that the typical player. That ability to look at a sea of same and pick out the guy who has even just one interesting thing that sets him apart is a skill, and one I think John Mozeliak has in spades. Sure, the most likely outcome of all this is Gotay comes into camp, does okay, and we never hear from him again. But the fact there's something really intriguing about him means there's at least a chance he'll surprise, I think.
Grade: B+
Non-signings
These are a little trickier to grade, in my opinion. How much skill does it really take to do nothing? The question, of course, is whether there was anything that should have been done in the first place. Knowing when to do something and when to do nothing, it is the art of the true Zen GM.
Joel Pineiro - Pineiro immediately jumps out and screams for attention when you look at the Cardinals' non-signings this winter. We know he wanted to stay, we know he and Dave Duncan obviously have a good working relationship, we know that Pineiro really did learn a new skill in 2009 that led to genuine improvement.
The problem, as we all knew going in, was going to be that improvement. Joel Pineiro was a genuinely improved pitcher in 2009, and deserved to be paid as such. And what did that mean? That meant a nice, big multi-year deal. Only one problem with that: he didn't get that nice, big multi-year deal. What Jo-El had to settle for was a 2-year, $16 million deal. The Cards are paying Brad Penny $7 million this season; don't you think they would gladly pay an extra million bucks for two years of the new and improved Joel Pineiro? The problem with that, of course, is they couldn't really wait around until El Pinata's price dropped into that range. Or, maybe they could have. Tough to say. Still, when a clearly superior pitcher gets only a million more on a two-year deal than the guy you got, you have to feel as if the rug was just yanked out from under your feet.
Grade: C-
Mark DeRosa - Mark DeRosa was bad in a Cardinal uni. No other way to say it. He was bad. He didn't hit well, he played his standard acceptable-but-only-if-he's-hitting defense at third, and he just generally wasn't healthy enough to contribute meaningfully to the team. It's a shame the Cards gave up a couple promising young pitchers to bring him in.
That being said, when DeRosa left he netted the Cardinals a supplemental pick, which is how they drafted Chris Perez in the first place, so it wasn't a total loss. Personally, I thought it was absolutely the right move to let DeRosa walk; I know there are plenty of concerns about David Freese, but Mark DeRosa just doesn't bring anything so markedly superior to this team that his price tag was worth picking up. Add in the fact he's in his mid-thirties and coming off wrist surgery, and letting the man go where the road may take him becomes a no-brainer.
Grade: A
Rick Ankiel - Ah, now here's an interesting one. The thing is, we all knew Rick Ankiel needed to go. Will Leitch knew Ankiel needed to go. Hell, Rick Ankiel knew Rick Ankiel needed to go.
But here's the rub: did Tony La Russa know Rick Ankiel needed to go? Late in the 2009 season, we saw La Russa clearly turn to his young center fielder, Colby Rasmus, in place of Ankiel. It was an extremely encouraging sign, as we all worried for most of the season that Rasmus was never going to get regular playing time so long as Ankiel was here.
The problem, though, is that taking playing time from Ankiel is different from letting Ankiel walk away from the only organisation he's ever played for. You have to wonder if there was any pressure on Mo to make a move keeping Ankiel in the fold. Or then again, maybe Tony was so lost in his post-Holliday signing bliss he never even noticed as Swingin' Dick slipped out the back door. (And yes, that sentence was meant to sound appallingly dirty.)
Either way, letting a fan favourite like Ankiel leave is never easy. He's one of the great stories in recent baseball history, and now you have to figure out how to just let that walk away. It's a tough call to make, and I'm impressed and gladdened to see Rick Ankiel plying his trade elsewhere for the upcoming season.
Grade: A
Final Grades
Mozeliak did some very, very nice work this offseason, I believe. He got deals done with Skip Schumaker and Ryan Ludwick, both of whom were arbitration eligible and signed very reasonable contracts. He let the players walk who needed to walk, and signed players who should come in and complement the team already in place.
Now, there are some holes left, and I would like to see a move to fill them. The backup CF position concerns me, as I'm not sure I really like any of the internal candidates to fill it. The guys the Cardinals have who could potentially play a bit of center when needed could all either use some more minor league time or else are named Shane Robinson. Third base will be a frightening unknown until David Freese comes in and whelms us all with his whelming performance and wins the league MWP.
To my mind, though, the most glaring weakness in the Cards' plans for 2010 is at the back of the bullpen. I simply don't like Ryan Franklin as a closer, and I sure as hell don't have any real confidence in Kyle McClellan getting meaningful outs. The left side should be very solid again, but the right-handed relief corps the Cards will take into the first season of the new decade frankly worries me. I love Jason Motte's arm; I just wish someone would teach him to throw something with his arm that isn't fast and flat. Perhaps Eduardo Sanchez makes the team and can help solidify the back end, but I certainly wouldn't count on it considering how limited roster spots appear to be at this juncture.
So I'm marking off for Ryan Franklin still ostensibly being the stopper. I actually like the move to leave third base open for an internal candidate, so Mo gets a tiny bit of that back. Backup center fielder, I'm cautiously neutral. I would like to see a better option brought in, but I also don't see it as a make or break proposition.
And so, tabulating all the grades together, weighting them pretty much however the hell I feel like, and applying my final filters as stated above, John Mozeliak, for the 2009-2010 offseason, receives a grade of:
88% B+
The only thing that keeps Mozeliak from an A this offseason, in my opinion, is letting Pineiro go. I know the odds seemed stacked heavily against Jo-El returning early in the offseason, but as time went on it became clearer and clearer he wasn't going to get the contract we all thought he would. With the advantage of Pineiro wanting to return and the pitching coach, I think the Cardinals should have been able to retain Joel for no more than the contract he signed with the Angels. And that certainly wouldn't have broken the bank.
Oh, well. I blame Kyle Lohse.
The Baron's Playlist for the 10th of February, 2010 - The Pre-Valentine's Day Romancestravaganza
"I Only Have Eyes for You" - The Flamingos
"First Day of My Life" - Bright Eyes
"Mellow Mood" - Bob Marley
"Lay Lady Lay" - Bob Dylan
"Blue Moon" - Elvis Presley
"At Last" - Etta James
"All I Want Is You" - U2
"When a Man Loves a Woman" - Percy Sledge
"These Arms of Mine" - Otis Redding
"Can't Take My Eyes Off You" - Frankie Valli
"Alright" - Jamiroquai
"Wonderful Tonight" - Eric Clapton
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A very fair and reasoned report card.
Well done, red.
Arigato.
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by the red baron on Feb 11, 2010 12:24 AM EST up reply actions
A resonable report card
Very nice to see grades that seem to be real. Better than the political grades we see tossed around year after year. How good would Joel look right about now? It leaves you with one less question mark in the rotation and helps towards solving the pen questions. Also, as a teacher, I appreciate the opening paragraphs, very nice. Safari!?!
On Joel Pineiro
My guess is that Mo figured Pineiro would get 3/$30M or something and was not ready to hand out that kind of commitment, so he inked Penny. Then… well Pineiro didn’t get that. The guy is a good-control sinkerballer now, and though I think he is due for a regression he would not have been a waste of space either.
~200 IP, 5 K/9, 2.25 BB/9, ~8.5 HR/FB is reasonable, no? The Cardinals usually have respectable infields so I could see him be the initiator of a large number of DP’s and weak GO’s. All in all, however, I see the logic of Mo and I don’t see this one as an egregious error or anything. I think Penny can and will be a successful addition to the rotation. And if not… well let’s not consider that possibility.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Feb 10, 2010 9:46 AM EST reply actions
Also...
…great job tossing some U2 onto the playlist. “All I Want is You” is a great song, one of my favorites. U2 has put out some pretty amazing stuff, esp. early in their career.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Feb 10, 2010 9:49 AM EST up reply actions
Early U2
This weekend, I visited one of my friends and we were driving to dinner on Saturday night when the oldies station played U2 “In The Name of Love.” I was floored. Sure, the song game out when I was very young, so young that I don’t even really remember it being a “new” release, but it isn’t that old, is it? How does it get played on a station that advertises itself as an “oldies” station?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Yeah that's weird
“Pride/In the Name of Love” can’t be anymore than 20 years old. That’s not THAT old! Old is before I was born to me (1970), so I guess you could call The Beatles or Beach Boys or Monkeys or something would be oldies. U2? Nah, not really.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Feb 10, 2010 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
I think it was released in 1984
pretty sure that was the year of “unforgettable fire”, which would, indeed, make it more than 20 years old – indeed, more than quarter of a century, which, when you put it like that, makes it kinda old.
I’ve always liked bits & pieces of U2, to be honest, but probably not so much the stuff everyone else seems to like. I think their more experimental moments have often been their most interesting (I thought their mid-90s Achtung Baby/Zooropa/Pop period yielded 3 genuinely fantastic albums, and one brilliant tour (ZooTV), along with one underwhelming one (Popmart), whereas I thought “All You Can’t Leave Behind”, which was heralded as a “return to form”, was mostly dirgey MOR mainstream radio rock of the Bon Jovi variety (with one or two interesting moments) which they’ve more or less stuck with since then – their latest album is the first one in their career I’ve not either bought or listened to extensively).
Given that, I suppose you can probably predict that “Pride” is one of my least favourite of their songs, along with “I Still Haven’t Found What I’m Looking For” (although I quite like the Gospel version; again, I think Rattle and Hum, which was pretty heavily panned at the time IIRC, is actually quite an interesting album in retrospect, despite all the posturing and staggering cultural naivety of the thing, and the film that went along with it).
Still, Unforgettable Fire was one of their best records, I think. It sounds a bit dated now, mind you; I think a big chunk of that was Brian Eno’s synthy sound (which, nonetheless, I like – nothing wrong with sounding dated, IMO).
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by Felonius_Monk on Feb 10, 2010 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
Ok, 25
Not that old when you’re almost 40. You whippersnapper. Get off my lawn!

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by redbirdnation8206 on Feb 10, 2010 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
That Driveline Mechanics
is an awesome site, to bad my HS coach was basically from the Jim RIce see it/hit it school. I still would not have made it too far but I think our SS had big league potential.
Heard a singer on the radio late last night
He says he's gonna kick the darkness
'til it bleeds daylight
Ummm reply.... fail?
Maybe? I don’t even know.
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by Felonius_Monk on Feb 11, 2010 4:50 AM EST up reply actions
I found it on your profile site I took a look at all the stuff I didn't know after 2.5 decades of playing
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
Correct!
“Unforgettable Fire” was indeed, released in 1984. It was U2’s fourth full-length and is my fave U2 album, just topping their debut, “Boy”. What I like about both records – aside from the obvious raw talent and great music – is that both were groundbreaking records.
When “Boy” came out, it was completely unique. Sure, they’d been influenced a little by a few of their “contemporaries” – late 70s/early 80s post-punk/new-wave – they were only teenagers when they made that record, after all. And other guitarists had dabbled with echo units, but The Edge decided to make echo his trademark. Combine that with Bono’s vision/voice and a couple other gifted, enthusiastic Irish kids and a truly unique band was formed. What set them apart is that in an era of musical excess, U2 recognized their limitations and worked so well within them.
“Unforgettable Fire” is my fave because they did a bold, successful left-turn just as their popularity was starting to brim. Their 3rd album, “War”, while really great, wasn’t a drastic change in their sound/production. “Unforgettable Fire” was. While not completely abandoning their previous producer/long-time friend, Steve Lillywhite, the band wanted to explore a new musical landscape. With Brian Eno and Daniel Lanois producing, they were able to create a brilliant piece of art, unlike anything they’d done before. Not to sound too artsy-fartsy, but I liken it to when Picasso decided to change directions is his art. “Y’know, I think I’ll just paint with Blue for a while” then a few years later, “Y’know, these ice cubes really grab my attention, I think I’ll paint everything like cubes for a while.”
I’m not much of a fan of U2 anymore… At all. The last U2 record I bought was “Achtung Baby”. Although “Joshua Tree” was really the beginning of my waning interest. I still recognize their talent, but my ears grow tired of them more quickly now. About the only thing that holds my interest is The Edge. That kat is incredible. Still completely on top of the game after all these years. I’m confident U2 would be long dead by now without him.
I can’t really take Bono seriously anymore. He is a source of entertainment… i.e., comedy! I was in some big electronics store a while back and the store was showing some recent U2 concert on blu-ray or whatever… You know… Fancy stuff… And there was Bono on about 50 ginormous TV screens. I thought, “Hey! I know this song! It’s off of their first album!” So I watched a little. Bad mistake. There’s Bono acting too cool for school, then he just laid down on the stage and rolled around a while. I turned to my gf and said, “Y’know, someone should tell him that may have looked cool when he was a teenager… But at 50? Not so much.”
Yeah that was cool man, like 8 or 9 Courics ago
but I still love that When Love Comes to Town duet with The King
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
Ha!
Yeah, forgot about that part of the movie. Love ole BB. “I’m no good with chords, so what we do is get somebody else to play the chords. I’m horrible with chords.”
he. Yeah, that bit's quite good.
like a lot of the tracks on that album, that’s a really cracking one too. I am a big fan of silver and gold, desire, god 2, angel of harlem, and all i want is you, as well.
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by Felonius_Monk on Feb 11, 2010 4:53 AM EST up reply actions
I think I broadly agree with you on this, tbh
although I’d say I thought Steve Lillywhite’s production on War is HORRIBLE, and ruins an otherwise decent album. For some reason, it worked well on the first two, but I really think he phoned it in on War (which features some of their better songwriting, too, unfortunately). The sparse, echoey, recorded-through-two-track-down-a-toilet-bowl sound works well for one or two of the tracks, but for the entire album it’s pretty crappy IMO. Shame they didn’t move to Lanois one record earlier.
Also, as I said before, I liked the two albums post-Achtung Baby, and I’m not very keen (kinda for the reasons you stated) of them trying to go back to make the music of their youth/garagey-rock-type-stuff now. They should’ve stayed with the more electronic sound if they wanted to remain vaguely relevant.
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by Felonius_Monk on Feb 11, 2010 4:56 AM EST up reply actions
It's funny how perspective changes
Around 1967 or so I’d be listening to Jefferson Airplane and Scott McKenzie and the Doors and all the great Motown on the radio and every now and then they’d play some song from Buddy Holly or Bil Haley and while a lot of them sounded plenty good, they also felt like they were from another world to me. And they were probably not much more than 10-12 years old.
Now some of that great ’60s music is 40 years old and I think the equivalent for kids today would be hearing something from the 1920s. The NINETEEN TWENTIES. Lordy.
There I go again. Talking about music. Re: Pineiro. Maybe he won’t be as good with the Angels now that every start isn’t a crusade to show Jose Oquendo he was wrong, wrong, wrong about the world baseball tournament/classic or whatever it is called.
by Youneverknow on Feb 10, 2010 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
I've got some music from the 1920s here and there I think
I got very much into country blues about 8 years ago, got some things like Blind Willie Johnson, Skip James, Son House that date from that sort of period.
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by Felonius_Monk on Feb 10, 2010 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
He was more a product of the 1930s I think
he was kinda the generation “after” Son House, Blind Lemon Jefferson, Skip James and the like – all those guys were middle aged (well, 30s, middle-aged by early 20th century Mississippi sharecropper/bluesmen timescales!) when he made his first recordings. I can’t say for sure without looking it up, but I’m pretty sure all his recorded output is from either two or three sessions in Chicago in the early/mid-30s.
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by Felonius_Monk on Feb 10, 2010 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
in fact
I think Johnson would’ve only been a child in the early 20s. I think he was born around 1910. Now I think about it, his recordings may even have been later than I thought – 1936 rings a bell for some reason. I’m pretty sure he died before he was 30.
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by Felonius_Monk on Feb 10, 2010 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
When was Django Reinhardt?
I did some of that old old stuff.
Also, I am not a fan of how the term “oldies” seems to be changing. I understand that, due to the linear passage of time and all, music from the 70’s is now as old as 60’s music was ten years ago, yadda yadda. But what was once the “oldies” station in St. Louis has decided to become what I think of as a classic rock station, which is not only redundant since there are plenty of those already, but it ignores all the good music from before the classic rock era. I fear the word “oldies” just becoming redefined by shifting the decade forward. People will miss out on some great music.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Django was 30s through 40s mostly, I think
I like his stuff a lot too. Especially his work with Stephane Grapelli (French Jazz violinist – great stuff!)
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by Felonius_Monk on Feb 10, 2010 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
Would that be the violinist that basically plays lead in most of his music?
Anyway, yeah. I like me some Django. Not an expert or anything but I have listened to some of this stuff. Interesting story too.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Yeah
they formed a very famous band in Paris in the 30s I believe. Grapelli was still around in the 90s IIRC. True fact – apparently Pink Floyd paid Grapelli (presumably quite a lot of money!) to play a couple of notes in the closing bars of one of the songs on their Wish You Were Here album, which are barely audible.
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by Felonius_Monk on Feb 11, 2010 4:58 AM EST up reply actions
absolutely.
Strychnine in a whiskey bottle is a hell of a way to go.
* is an Asshat
Also, Dave Concepcion.
it's a hell of a drug.
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by Felonius_Monk on Feb 11, 2010 4:56 AM EST up reply actions
How do you feel about Jimmie Rodgers?
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
I agree about Pineiro's regression
He has acquired a new skill, but last year’s walk rate and home run suppression are unsustainable. I think going forward, he’s going to be about the pitcher we saw in September and October of this past season. In fact, upon cursory glance, his FIP, BB/9, and HR/9 splits for that period almost exactly match his CHONE projection for this year. Whether we’d rather have that or take a shot on Penny is another matter, and I agree with RB that is was probably one largely decided on the timetable and valid payroll concerns at the time.
I'm actually pretty optimistic about Penny
he’s still younger than you probably think (unless you’ve glanced at his FG page lately!) and actually had a pretty solid season last year, taking into account his peripherals, and his improved fastball velocity.
I think injury concerns are overplayed (he’s fit, and I don’t think he’s any more of an injury concern than any other pitcher who’s been hurt in the last couple of years, which is basically 80%+ of pitchers) and I think the Cardinals seem a good fit for him, personally and professionally.
I’ll be interested to see what Duncan does to get him producing more groundballs, as his increased flyball % was the only thing that hurt him last year (and actually the only thing that kept his peripherals from verging on the elite).
I actually think I marginally prefer one year of Penny at $7m to two from Pineiro – our problem there is that, unless payroll rises, we’re ALREADY committed to something like $90m in 2011, and there’s just no room to fill in any other gaps if we commit to a 4th starting pitcher for that period. We need to fill out the rotation internally if we’re to be able to afford Pujols and to remain competitive in other areas, so I think, as RB mentioned, the fact that Lohse is being paid $12m next year basically meant we could never have afforded a multi-year deal for Pineiro. I think the only way we could maybe have managed if we’d frontloaded a 2/$18m so he gets something like $12m this year and $6m next.
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by Felonius_Monk on Feb 10, 2010 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
Also
we got a pick from Pineiro. That’s nothing major, but it’s probably worth $2-3m or so.
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by Felonius_Monk on Feb 10, 2010 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
Exactly, monk.
The price for Pineiro was actually his contract PLUS a supplemental pick. That changes things a bit.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
His K/BB rate was right in line with his career numbers, though
his GB% was down a bit, I’m hoping he can get that (and thus his HR%) back to nearer his career rate in a better pitching environment, and that’ll still have him round a 4.00 FIP.
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by Felonius_Monk on Feb 10, 2010 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
Flyballs are good in Busch III
Lowest home run rate in the majors last year according to the note in this article:
Meanwhile, an average of 1.60 homers per game were hit at Citi Field last season, more than at five other NL ballparks – San Diego (1.59), San Francisco (1.59), Los Angeles (1.57), Atlanta (1.52) and St. Louis (1.48).
"I learned a long time ago if you keep checking your stats all year, you're going to end up in the toilet." - Chris Carpenter, 2009.
Maybe that number is so low because we have Carp and Waino
And those guys don’t give up many homers
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Feb 10, 2010 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
Yep
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Feb 10, 2010 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
Flyballs are better in Busch III than most stadiums
but groundballs are still better, period. Although you get on base slightly better with groundballs, the slugging percentage is a tiny fraction (as you’d expect) of what you get with flyballs. You’ve got to imagine our + defensive infield suppresses that even more.
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by Felonius_Monk on Feb 10, 2010 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
The Lohse Factor
After having given Lohse a long-term deal based upon a career year and having it bite JMo in the ass, I can see why he was gun-shy doing the same thing with Pineiro. If Pineiro regressed, two bad long term contracts in the rotation would be hard for this team swallow. I personally like that JMo took the supp pick and covered the rotation spot with a 1 year deal. Let’s assume McClellan is the 5th starter in 2010 with a spot in the rotation opening up in 2011 after Penny moves on (hopefully netting us another supp pick). That leaves Garcia, Otto, Lynn to fill one rotation spot in 2011. I like the chances of one of those three being ready to claim that spot, especially Garcia. He’ll undoubtedly get MLB starts in 2011 when somebody goes down.
The Jury is Still Out...
…on Lohse, as fr as I can tell. Everybody gets injured, its part of the game. Let’s see how/if he rebounds when he’s healthy. it is cowceivable that he pitches as well as he did for us in ‘08. Will people cowplain about his contract then? Let’s just see what happens before we beat our brows too much over Lohse and his contract.
:=8)
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
Hey Moo
why is it “cowplain” but not “cowtract”?
Did you expose a chink in the bovine armor?
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Feb 10, 2010 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
He's just incowsistent.
Forget it, spants. It's Chinatown. - tom s.
by spants on Feb 10, 2010 2:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It's sad that I didn't know whether this was a Joe Morgan or MooCow joke at first
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Feb 10, 2010 2:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
well that's rather
ner…..nevermind.
* is an Asshat
Also, Dave Concepcion.
by RiverRat on Feb 10, 2010 5:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
agree the jury is still out
on Lohse but certainly the Lohse contract had to sting JMo in 2009. It will be very difficult for Lohse to pitch well enough over the life of that contract to give the Cardinals $41m in value. Would love to see it happen but not holding my breadth.
Gah I was going to make a light at the end of the tunnel argument
then realized that I couldn’t find anything positive to say
Heard a singer on the radio late last night
He says he's gonna kick the darkness
'til it bleeds daylight
Put an orange slice, on your Orange slice.....
that’ll cheer ya up.
* is an Asshat
Also, Dave Concepcion.
by RiverRat on Feb 10, 2010 4:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
These days, $10 million
worth of starting pitching ain’t much starting pitching. Our economy will be into more inflation by year 4 of this and it just won’t be so bad! Really, if the Lohse contract is our worst problem, we don’t have very many problems.
Can we just collectively get over this? Or come up with a standard acronym like DIHTLC (damn I hate the Lohse contract)? Just throw out the acronym one time and then get on with our points.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Feb 10, 2010 5:41 PM EST up reply actions
$10m
is 10% of the entire team budget. Lohse gave us near zero last year (ERA+ of 87) so he has 3 years to give $41m of value or nearly $13m a season. For a team like the Cardinals that hurts.
>>Can we just collectively get over this?<<
It’s early February. There’s nothing else to talk about. Get over that people aren’t over the Lohse contract.
February ain't got nothing to do with it. You and I both know
some will be bitching about this in July, August, September and next year. God I hope Lohse wins 15 games with 210 IPs and spares us all.
Almost every team has SP albatross contracts and almost every team has guys they underpay.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Feb 10, 2010 6:00 PM EST up reply actions
I like the report card, RB.
I’m trying to figure out whether Mo’s FA signings are graded on a curve or not. Is this in relationship to Omar Minaya?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
That's what I was thinking too
Shouldn’t we compare Mo to his classmates? Did anyone get straight A’s?
Agreed
Though I’m not sure if Figgins will really be worth the money over the entire contract, but for next year they seem to be the most improved team on paper.
Yeah, after I wrote this I thought about that exact thing.
it remains to be seen whether some of the moves will pay off for the Mariners, but in terms of offseason moves, they made some pretty killer aquisitions. Plus that contract for King Felix is very nice.
and CHONE still projects them to finish last in the AL West, which I think is pretty nuts.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
Yeah that is hard to see
I don’t think any of the other teams have really improved (and the Angels may be a bit worse) and the Mariners almost certainly have improved.
Man all you kids
want grading curves these days. In my day it was a straight up scale!
grading curves aren't a way to make things easier on kids
they’re a way to make things easier on teachers
by brackenthebox on Feb 10, 2010 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
uh yeah
straight up scale would be a ton better. When you’re in a grad program that has a certain level of standards to get into, grading on a curve is a bitch. It means that to get an A on tests, not only do I usually have to get the answers completely right, but also think of really novel and insightful shit to say that nobody else thought of.
I wish I hadn't lost it
but one of my top, non alcohol related, moments in college was getting an answer wrong, but explaining why I thought it was right so well that I got full credit…maybe alcohol was involved…
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
That reminds me of an incident when I was in grad school
We had a visiting prof from England. On the first (or maybe second) exam of the semester, another student in the class got his exam back with no corrections but only a “99” on it. When he asked the prof about it, the reply was: “To receive a perfect score, your answers not only have to be correct, but also elegant.” So we all wondered the rest of the semester what, exactly, an elegant reactor physics solution looked like.
by ArkansasTravs on Feb 15, 2010 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
i don't know, but it defintely makes it harder on the student.
like mattyp said, you have to do more than just get the answer right.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
Grading on a curve lets you decouple the evaluation (tests, homeworks, etc) from the teaching (lectures, readings, etc)
If you grade on an absolute scale, your evaluation has to be well calibrated to what (and how well) you taught and your students learned. For example, for an exam, you need to nail exactly how difficult a test should be given the lecture material. Given cheating concerns, it’s often infeasible to give the same test every year, so that calibration has to be done on the fly.
In contrast, when you grade on a curve, you can make a really hard test or a really easy test, and everything is automatically equilibrated (within reason). You no longer need to calibrate the evaluation as closely to the teaching.
by brackenthebox on Feb 10, 2010 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
It is not.
If it had been, everything would have been well above 100%.
Make way for the Homo Superior.
by the red baron on Feb 11, 2010 12:27 AM EST up reply actions
I love Mozeliak's offseason
Holliday was a must IMO, and the AAV was quite good given the deferred money.
I don’t have much faith that Pineiro will repeat his performance of last season; he’s due for some serious regression. I’m thinking his season this year will be like his last quarter of last season. I’m a Penny fan; he’s generally been durable, he’s got good stuff and upside (I still remember his All-Star game start) and he’s on a one-year deal.
Letting Pineiro and DeRosa go netted supplemental picks – these seemed like no-brainers but GMs can still fuck it up (see Randy Wolf).
I’m also very happy that we didn’t sign anyone for the bullpen. IMO it’s the biggest area where teams waste money. I think the team saw something in Boggs last year that excites them. Right now, the bullpen is a nice mix of young power arms (Motte, Boggs), LOOGYs (Miller, Diner), experience (Franklin, McClellan (after two full years in the pen, you’re experienced), and long guys (Hawksworth or Jukich, etc.).
And I’m fine letting Freese, T. Greene, Gotay, Craig, Mather or whoever duke it out for 3B. I’m confident one or more of them will pan out to be league average. The fact that we have this many serviceable internal options is a credit to the organization.
A RH-hitting backup CF would be nice but I don’t see Colby giving up many at bats out there. He can’t possibly hit LH-pitching worse than he did last year. It’s almost better not to have a viable RH-hitting option. Just drop Colby to the bottom of the lineup against LHP and be done with it. If the last player on the roster is Shane Robinson (our own little Brett Gardner), so be it. He can pinch hit, pinch run, and play a little defense every once in a while; which just about perfectly matches his major league skill set.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Feb 10, 2010 10:03 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
All good points.
I would add to this that I appreciate the Cards holding off on any additional signings until Spring Training (a la the good Lohse contract), as opined by Matthew Leach. I think this is a good strategy and compliments your points on wasting money on the ‘pen, a bench bat, etc. My hope is that we can sign a Calero or Smoltz to a deal during Spring Training that is a bargain. Thus, we wouldn’t be wasting money on the ’pen or rotation.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
just to clarify...
you’re not saying that picking up a bench bat or ‘pen guy would itself be a waste, just that the timing needs to be right? in other words, signing Calero now would be a waste cuz we’d have to pay too much, but if we waited until ST starts, that would actually be a smart move. amirite?
Heaven has brick walls and St. Peter is a red bird.
by EinFesteBusch on Feb 10, 2010 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
Right.
The longer we wait, the more the price drops. So, if we can take stock of the club during the beginning of Spring Training, then perhaps add a player via free agency, I think we’ll have maximized our monetary resources.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Backup CF
If Mather comes into ST or goes down to Memphis and mashes, he solves this problem (right handed backup CF’er). I hope they play D. Jones regularly in CF in Memphis. We need to find out what kind of CF’er DJ is or is not. It Colby went to the DL, I’ll cry like a baby if we have to watch Shane Robinson start in STL for a month in CF. I’ll only whimper slightly if DJ shows he is a credible center fielder waiting in Memphis to fill the void during such a national catastrophe.
man it would really be great if Mather was healthy and good.
he solves a lot of problems.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
Seriously
Mather is not going to do this.
People need to forget about Joe Mather, at least for 2010. He is not an option.
Seriously.
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by Felonius_Monk on Feb 10, 2010 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
srsly?
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
y'all need to start taking things more serial
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
No, but I am
cereus. Quite prickly, too, I should add.
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by Felonius_Monk on Feb 11, 2010 5:02 AM EST up reply actions
you don't know that
so why bother pontificating like you do Monk. His career could be over or he could be the same guy we saw in 2008 or his effectiveness could fall anywhere in between. Only actual game action will tell us where he is. If you have a recent medical report from Mather’s surgeon, please share.
In actual game action
in 2009, following THREE wrist surgeries, Joe Mather OPSed less than .600 spread across rookie ball, AA and AAA. As far as I’m aware, it can take upwards of a year to recuperate fully from major wrist surgery, and he’s had more than one (and had his wrist surgically repaired, which may have additional issues in terms of what he can do with it).
I realise that it’s POSSIBLE that he comes out and mashes in 2010, but I just think the odds of that happening are so remote that there’s no point mentioning it, or even factoring it in as a realistic possibility for us next year. Rich Hill might throw 200 quality innings as our 5th starter, but again, the possibilities are so remote that not only is relying on that a big problem, but even CONSIDERING it as a realistic “possibility” is, IMO, a bit of a waste of time.
I take your point but I just think there’s a lot of wishful thinking about Mather that is totally unrealistic. The guy has had potential career-ending surgery in the last 6 months, and the initial return to baseball was borderline embarassing.
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by Felonius_Monk on Feb 10, 2010 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
Obviously mather was not right
after returning from the first surgery. He had no more than 100 ABs after returning from the 2nd surgery late in 2009. Not a large enough sample size to say whether he is done or can recover prior form. Wrists take a notoriously long time to heal so we don’t even know if he was 100% when he returned to the minor leagues in late 2009. It’s a medical issue. Just going off of stats from when the player was injured is meaningless. No one knows what will happen with Mather in 2010 because the situation with his wrist is a huge question-mark.
Wrists take a notoriously long time to heal
That is kinda my point. I broke mine about 8 years ago and it’s still not right.
I guess we have to agree to disagree on this one; still, I’d be prepared to bet a sizeable amount of money that Mather will contribute <0.5 WAR next year…
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by Felonius_Monk on Feb 10, 2010 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
I always wonder how much better off I'd be
if I had full time training staff plus man stew.
Though frankly I think my health would be better if there were women in the hot tub.
agree to offer to agree to disagree
Mather did not have a broken wrist but torn cartilage. The reported May 2009 surgery never happened, he just took a cortisone shot and tried to shake it off. But he was never right and finally had the 2nd surgery in June of 2009. Was supposed to be out for the entire year but rushed back in August trying to earn a September callup. We know how that went. Mather was a hard head about his injury and it cost him major loss of credibility with the organization. The best report on his medical condition I could find is here. link
i'd imagine
jay is ahead of sugar shane on the depth chart
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
I Would Have Preferred Wolf...
…over Penny, but overall I am fairly happy with the Penny acquisition. Herr Baron makes a good point about waiting for Piniero: we cud have gotten him for little moore, and an-udder year with Duncan might have off-set any big regressions that people seem to fear. but that is one of the chances u have to take, and I think it was reasonable to assume that Piniero was expecting a contract that was moore than what we were comfortable offering him. My real hope is that Garcia comes back with a bang and is up in our rotation by June.
:=8)
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
Revisiting the Skip Signing
For starters, Goold’s vacation seems to have him back in full effect. Today’s post on the keystone is wonderful and very much worth a read. This point got me thinking:
Schumaker, who turned 30 last week, will make at least $2.7 million in 2011. The salary could climb if he reaches plate-appearance bonuses in the first year of his deal. (They are "reachable," said one source.) That is more than any of the other starters since Vina made … depending on the definition of starter.
Because the highest-paid second baseman for the Cardinals was actually paid that salary not to play the position for the Cardinals.
In the afterglow of the Cardinals 2006 World Series, then GM Walt Jocketty brought Kennedy back to the club on a three-year deal that paid him $10 million total. The deal included a $4-million salary for 2009, which the Cardinals footed while Kennedy played in Oakland. It was an uncharacteristic devotion of dollars to a position the Cardinals had previously identified as one to bargain-hunt. Consider the salaries the Cardinals paid for their second basemen starting with the pennant-winning team of 2004:
Tony Womack, 2004 … $300,000
Mark Grudzielanek, 2005 … $1 million
Aaron Miles, 2006 … $350,000
Junior Spivey, 2006 … $1.2 million
Adam Kennedy, 2007 … $2.5 million
Miles, 2007 … $1 million
Kennedy, 2008 … $3.5 million
Miles, 2008 … $1.4 million
Kennedy, 2009 … $4 million
Schumaker, 2009 … $430,000
Schumaker, 2010 … $2 million
Schumaker, 2011 … $2.7 million
I would add Lugo to that calculation. We are actually paying Schumaker/Lugo less than we paid the Miles/Kennedy combo in each of ‘07 and ’08. We paid Adam Kennedy $4MM not to play second base in St. Louis last season. I hadn’t considered the signing in this context, but Goold’s analysis makes me like the signing a lot more. It’s very reasonable in dollars and about right, at least to me, in terms of length.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Now that's a blast from the past...
…Junior Spivey. Whoops.
VivaElBirdos: Celebrating glorious mustaches since 2009
by redbirdnation8206 on Feb 10, 2010 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
He was not a Future Redbird,
but a Past Redbird.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
he was a never-never redbird.
He rode the same bus to work as matt clement.
"It doesn't have to be terribly prolific! Just so that it isn't childish and silly." She reflected. "I prefer stories about squalor." J.D.S.
by tom s. on Feb 10, 2010 8:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I thought he came to Spring Training as the starting second baseman,
and then it became clear that his health troubles had made him a shell of the player he once was. So, it was off to Memphis with him.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
A prof just played the "6 is a serious number" ad in class
I ran out screaming.
Not afraid to nitpick
Why did he play that?
Was he showing examples of awesome marketing campaigns?
Why did you run out screaming? I mean that ad just brings memories of warm weather, big time home runs by AP, and twice weekly cy-young caliber performances…
by salukihoops on Feb 10, 2010 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
Joel Poor?
I had the exact same thing happen today in a marketing class…
by ComoCardinal on Feb 10, 2010 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
Pick the first one wiht Albert and caption etc....
Holliday.
Uh huh, oh yeah.
Holliday.
He will be so nice.
Jake Peavy and Adrian Gonzalez show Albert Pujols and Ryan Franklin their Gun Collection.
by Red Blazer on Feb 10, 2010 11:30 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
Took me a while
but when I got it soda almost went out my nose.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
Yeah, it's a little over the top.
You have to picture the Padres Camo Unis and that it is early 2008. But the one guy looks a lot like Peavy.
Holliday.
Uh huh, oh yeah.
Holliday.
He will be so nice.
Caption
“You can peetch it weeth thees, but I’m still going to freaking heet it!”
by Mr. Wilson on Feb 10, 2010 1:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
you think he is careless with a lead, you should see him around .50 Cal sniper rifles
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
by TomCat009 on Feb 10, 2010 6:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Uhh, the protection thing is a myth big fella.
Heard a singer on the radio late last night
He says he's gonna kick the darkness
'til it bleeds daylight
jou say jou cang take a mang's head off at 1600 meters?
I did that in milwaukee once, mang.
"It doesn't have to be terribly prolific! Just so that it isn't childish and silly." She reflected. "I prefer stories about squalor." J.D.S.
by tom s. on Feb 11, 2010 12:00 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 4 recs
Since I like to grade on a curve,
SP:
99th percentile: Penny, Pineiro, Harden
50th percentile: Lackey
Dunce cap: Randy Wolf, Ben Sheets, Brandon Backe
RP:
99th: nothing
50th: Hawkins, Valverde
Dunce cap: Brandon Lyon
Hitters:
99th: Orlando Hudson, Figgins, Whoever signs Flopez and Branyan
50th: Holliday
Dunce cap: Bengie Molina, whoever signs Jermaine Dye for something other than DH
Arbitration offers:
99th: Derosa, Pineiro, Holliday, Figgins, Lackey, Wagner
50th: Soriano, Gonzalez
Dunce cap: none
Arbitrations declined:
99th: Wellemeyer, Ankiel, Dye, Delgado (Minaya did one right!), Anderson
50th: Johnny Damon
Dunce cap: Wolf, Flopez
I’d say this puts Mo in the high nineties.
"What's your favorite Chuck Palahniuk book?"
"I like the one about the alienated character who finds the socially unacceptable way of coping with modernity."
poor poor Giants
a comment from McCovey Chronicles
I’m fine with this.
Hey, that makes this potentially the best move of the offseason!!!!
by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 10, 2010 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
This is what we call grading on a curve.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
This is why McCC is the most depressing of all SBN
sites, they just know that the worst is yet to come.
Heard a singer on the radio late last night
He says he's gonna kick the darkness
'til it bleeds daylight
I liked this comment...
Giants fans….Your organization would be smart to give him a fake contract scribbled in crayon.
Is it Spring yet?
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Feb 10, 2010 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
does this mean
all cardinal FAs are now signed?
holliday – back
dero – giants
glaus – braves
thurston – braves
pinata – angels
ank – royals
welly – giants
missing anyone?
and no, i’m not counting mulder or preston wilson
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
Who picked up Hal McRae?
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Feb 10, 2010 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
Hoffpauir > Toronto
Barden > Florida
If you’re counting minor league guys.
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by Felonius_Monk on Feb 11, 2010 5:04 AM EST up reply actions
I really like Mo's off-season decisions
I’m even OK with no bullpen moves. My biggest worry is the starting rotation is thin – if anyone goes down for a period of time, the Cards could be in trouble. So hopefully, K-Mac can become a serviceable starter. Then Garcia can fill in on spot starts. Not too hopeful on Rich Hill, but still a reasonable attempt.
An important point in my view. Mo has set up the team (health concerns aside) to be competitive not only this year but for the foreseeable future. Some important decisions will need to be made down the road, but a good core should be there for many years. Compare where we are this year to last year at this time – the difference is night and day.
I'm not
My biggest concern by far is the back of the bullpen, and I’m surprised it isn’t getting more ink. Ryan Franklin is just not the guy, and that became more and more apparent as the year wore on. I don’t in any way want to be doom and gloom but I think it’s absolutely imperative for success in 2010 to get/promote/create/clone a good closer.
I'm okay with giving Frank another shot
But it would be nice if there was a plan B (and his name is Kiko).
But last year
we went into the year hoping that Franklin could close. He actually did a fine job until September when he went in the tank. In any case, I think over the course of this year, the Cards will promote/create a closer in Motte, with Boggs and Sanchez coming along. Given the budget, I think it was prudent not to spend heavily on an outside closer.
If I recall
last year we went into the year thinking it would be Motte (spring training success), or Perez and Motte imploded in game 1. Maybe we should really focus on this cloning thing…I’m pretty sure Lee Smith wouldn’t mind if we recreated him…but seriously, I would feel much more comfortable if there was another options besides Frank, and Motte, unless Duncan can teach Motte how to pitch. That’s the only closer related thing I’m remotely optimictic about…Dunc, teach Motte the way of movement
I don't think I'm as optimistic as some on Motte
he says he’s learnt some new pitches over the winter but we’ve been hearing that for nigh on two years now; he did look better at the end of last year, but I’m still doubtful he’s going to do much against lefties. It’s very difficult to learn, and learn to control, a new pitch at the major league level (I sort of doubt if another year beating up on AAA would do him much good, though). I’m thinking he’ll be a good ROOGY, with maybe upside for a little more, but I’m not holding my breath he turns into a shutdown reliever anytime soon.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Feb 10, 2010 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
How many smarts does it take to do nothing?
This list has Seattle wishing they had a GM that smart
great work on a Valentines playlist RB I will add my own addendum
Rainy Night in Soho-The Pogues
Little Trip to Heaven(on the wings of your love)- Tom Waits Grapefruit Moon works here as well
Borne on the Wind- Roy Orbison
The Rest of Our Lives- Mike Ness
Don’t Let Me Down- The Beatles
I Tremble for You- Johnny Cash
If You Were Mine- Billie Holiday
Samba Pa Ti- Santana(I know there are no lyrics, there doesn’t need to be)
You’re My Best Friend- Don Williams
Just a few I always loved
Heard a singer on the radio late last night
He says he's gonna kick the darkness
'til it bleeds daylight
Interesting article
though anyone who would start Varitek ahead of Johjima is probably, well, wrong…
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by Felonius_Monk on Feb 10, 2010 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
Oh there are flaws on every team on that list but it is very interesting to me because minus
Chone Figgins, and a few minor role player my team the Rockies are pretty much the team they would be, with worse starters.
Heard a singer on the radio late last night
He says he's gonna kick the darkness
'til it bleeds daylight
blind love by tom waits is the greatest and truest love song.
I want you by elvis costello the creepiest and truest.
"It doesn't have to be terribly prolific! Just so that it isn't childish and silly." She reflected. "I prefer stories about squalor." J.D.S.
by tom s. on Feb 11, 2010 2:22 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
you ever heard
I want you, you , you by Tom Waits? Waits and Costello showed up together on stage for that tribute to Orbison in the 80s it was great.
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
You know,
I really should have put that one on there, but I forgot about it. See, this is what happens when you don’t do your research properly.
Make way for the Homo Superior.
by the red baron on Feb 11, 2010 2:40 AM EST up reply actions
Even at that
Truly you have a dizzying intellect
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
That album is called Rain Dogs
after that group of dogs that become strays after a big rainstorm washes away their means of finding their way home. That concept brings tears to my eyes, if only because in his voice and lyrics those aren’t dogs he is talking about.
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
Wait, you had a threesome with John Mozeliak's parents?
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Feb 10, 2010 1:46 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
I see at least someone here can read between the lines.
Make way for the Homo Superior.
by the red baron on Feb 11, 2010 12:44 AM EST up reply actions
Nice point, RB, about Hill and Gotay
They at least each have an interesting point of distinction, even though the odds are they neither will amount to anything. There is a useful skill there that jumps out and says “at least I’ve got this going for me!” I can’t recall any similar trait that Joe Thurston had, for example, other than perhaps enthusiasm.
I know someone has posted links here before to a site that had a breakdown of the draft order for this year, but I can’t remember where this list was. Can anybody help me out? It would be interesting to see it updated. I like the supplemental picks we should be getting, but I also seem to recall our first pick isn’t until the mid 20s. Is that correct?
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Thursty had a really solid 2008 in triple A
albeit in a major hitters’ park in Pawtucket (I think) – he looked like a pretty good FAT second baseman for a team that, all of a sudden, didn’t have a second baseman. I thought it was a pretty good pickup, actually; he looked pretty likely to be a slightly-below average guy at that position who’d just never got his chance before and/or who was a bit of a late bloomer.
However…
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by Felonius_Monk on Feb 10, 2010 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
Huh
I guess I conveniently forgot that, then
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
In retrospect, and when I checked
he wasn’t really that good – no better than (say) a Hoffpauir or something. Put up an .800+ OPS two straight years in AAA, but only just, and with a very BA-heavy OBP.
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by Felonius_Monk on Feb 11, 2010 5:06 AM EST up reply actions
Gotay walked in 21.3% of his PA in AAA last year
That’s a whole lot of walking, and may indicate a change in skill set. That would be kinda exciting.
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
that's what I want most out of the team this year
an increased Walk rate. Being 12th in the league again will tick me off. I want it to be top 5 at worst next season.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
i wouldnt hold your breath to be honest
i mean while we can expect some improvement (would be hard to get alot worse), without wholesale changes w/ the players i doubt a drastic improvement is in order. while i’ve done no research but i’m not sure a good batter’s eye is all that teachable. anyone w/ any research to the contrary?
the hope isn't so much that a new coach can teach
but that a certain previous coach was preaching the wrong message.
by brackenthebox on Feb 10, 2010 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
yes but you would have to show me that up and down our lineup we have had great/decent walk rates
that suddenly disappeared due to being told not to take pitches. i personally don’t think that’s the case.
Colby comes to mind, but not many others.
duncan had a good eye from what i remember
just other problems
the fact that our 4th and 5th OF wont be on the team wont rocket us up the rankings in BBs, especially as we dont know how Freese and whoever ends up replacing their ABs do. Stavinfection anyone?
I'm not saying that it's true, but it's an easier argument to believe
I tend to agree with you that a change in hitting coach is unlikely to change team walk rate all that much
by brackenthebox on Feb 10, 2010 6:26 PM EST up reply actions
iirc, i looked at this mid-summer.
"It doesn't have to be terribly prolific! Just so that it isn't childish and silly." She reflected. "I prefer stories about squalor." J.D.S.
by tom s. on Feb 11, 2010 12:07 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
tony made his comments about being more aggressive
At the end of april.
Using the monthly splits on fangraphs, I showed that all but two or three position players started swinging at more out of the zone pitches in may and june.
For a number of players – of the top of my head, khalil, barden, duncan, and ankiel – the increase was very high, on the order of 5, 10, or more percent of all ooz pitches.
"It doesn't have to be terribly prolific! Just so that it isn't childish and silly." She reflected. "I prefer stories about squalor." J.D.S.
by tom s. on Feb 11, 2010 12:13 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
so you're saying my expectations aren't CRAZY?
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Feb 11, 2010 12:18 AM EST up reply actions
I tend to agree with this
It’s VERY unlikely that Gotay could have walked that much without some real change in skill.
by vivaelpujols on Feb 10, 2010 9:00 PM EST up reply actions
my recollection is that his bb ratew has been high
In both the majors and minors. Iirc, his bb/9 in the majors
"It doesn't have to be terribly prolific! Just so that it isn't childish and silly." She reflected. "I prefer stories about squalor." J.D.S.
by tom s. on Feb 11, 2010 12:18 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
career walk %
hmm. i am misrembering then. not on my computer right now.
"It doesn't have to be terribly prolific! Just so that it isn't childish and silly." She reflected. "I prefer stories about squalor." J.D.S.
by tom s. on Feb 11, 2010 12:24 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
gah! his major league bb rate is around 15 percent.
That’s in 150 pas or so. It’s been high-ish in a larger SS in the majors, though not twenty percent +.
"It doesn't have to be terribly prolific! Just so that it isn't childish and silly." She reflected. "I prefer stories about squalor." J.D.S.
by tom s. on Feb 11, 2010 12:22 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
2010 draft order
River Ave Blues kept this updated throughout the offseason. Cards have # 25, # 45 , # 49 & # 74
IIRC the only unsigned type A or B player is Rod Barajas. If he doesn’t return to Toronto, the Cards # 49 pick would drop to #50.
The Mets most likely for Barajas yeah?
It’s not a logical move, but Omar has to do something not to get burned at the stake.
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
Wait Floppy does not net a Pick?
WTF why is this guy on the market is he asking for 10m?
Heard a singer on the radio late last night
He says he's gonna kick the darkness
'til it bleeds daylight
Boras borasss bohrus
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
He wasn't offered arby
ridiculously. I think someone else ridiculous (Randy Wolf?) may have been in the same boat.
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by Felonius_Monk on Feb 11, 2010 5:08 AM EST up reply actions
3 in the top 50 is kinda cool
Should be fun to watch
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
I must say, my biggest worry is the bullpen
so, I would have liked to seen more done about that. I thought it was a good time to let Pineiro go, very doubtful he will be able to continue pitching at the level he was last year, and you’d be overpaying for him most likely. I really liked the Penny signing, to bolster the rotation and replace Pinata.
the Holliday signing was what it was… I think in the end the Holliday signing will pay off through extra ticket sales and merchandise and whatnot. more importantly, I read some stat that quoted that his OPS is around a 100 points higher than Albert’s when facing elite pitching. if that is true, that is a very nice player to have, and I don’t foresee him dropping the ball in the playoffs again (well, I certainly hope not).
Hill and Gotay are both players that didn’t cost much that have some nice, possible upside, especially Hill. if he is still hurt or has control issues, cut him loose. Gotay could be a worry for stealing playing time a la thursty, but I’m fairly confident in Freese holding down his job at 3B, at least for this season.
again, I’m most worried about the bullpen, especially since Franklin is going to be the new Izzy, and I’m not sure that TLR will give others a chance with the game on the line, because of his veteraness.
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 10, 2010 2:05 PM EST reply actions
no se no lo veo
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
I think RB's grades are right on
Well, we could argue (and probably will) about Pineiro, but other than that..
I really grew to look forward to Pineiro’s starts last year and would have been happy to have him back, for $8M. I certainly have no complaint about our not offering him 3/$30. If he would have signed for 2/$16 at the same time we signed Penny, I would have to think about it. (BTW, I thought Penny’s contract might be a bit high given it’s almost a ‘prove you’re healthy/good contract’.)
Oh, and, wow, music from RB that not only have I heard of, I’ve actually listened, and would again, to most of it!
Being a Colts fan
Anything at all related to Mardi Gras makes me cry……
But that will change in about a week or so :P
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
if it makes you feel any better
it was freezing last nite at the saints parade.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I guess it does
Don’t think the people were too concerned with it though. Wonder if they would ever notice a weather change on mardi gras.
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
Great post Baron, very entertaining beginning....
The grading makes sense. I’m OK with us not getting anyone for the bullpen… For now. I think if that comes up as a glaring hole, we can always go out and get something down the ro-ad. Let’s see what we have back there first. The Holliday signing will pay dividends for years to come, I believe. Liked the Penny signing as well. As long as he stays healthy I think he will out-perform Pineiro this season. Would like to have a backup center fielder, I seriously hope Ludwick does not play center this season. Rotation depth could become a problem later, if we get bit by the injury bug. Weakness’s, while few, this team does have some. Although we should be able to fill any by the trade deadline, as I expect attendance will be stellar. Should be an exciting season. Can’t wait!! Let’s go birds!!!
"A slick way to out-figure a person is to get him figuring you figure he's figuring you're figuring he'll figure you aren't really figuring what you want him to figure you figure." ~ Whitey Herzog
Ludwick in Center...
may mean some time in RF for Allen Craig, and I’m okay with that as long as Craig hits like he has for the past few seasons. If not, leave Ludwick in RF and move Skip to CF here and there and utilize Lugo or other util players to fill the spot.
Something about Ludwick in center...
Just scares me. It doesn’t sound like a good idea. Defensively, Ludwick does not have the range to play center. I just feel like if he’s out there, something bad will happen. I don’t want him to get hurt because he was playing center field. He is NOT a center fielder. I want Craig to get some playing time, just not at the expense of playing Ludwick out of position.
"A slick way to out-figure a person is to get him figuring you figure he's figuring you're figuring he'll figure you aren't really figuring what you want him to figure you figure." ~ Whitey Herzog
Skip hits lefties worse than Rasmus, and probably isn't any better in centre than Ludwick
I can’t see any reason for him getting any starts in centre.
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by Felonius_Monk on Feb 11, 2010 5:10 AM EST up reply actions
I would've liked to see a Ryan Church signing.
A versatile 4th OF with a .345 career OBP would’ve been nice.
Still a few good bullpen arms out there, and I’m going ahead with the assumption that Floppy will soon be a Cardinal.
Heaven has brick walls and St. Peter is a red bird.
Bullpen arms seem to be getting to much money, imo
by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 10, 2010 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
True.
I wouldn’t want $2 mil going to the likes of Chad Bradford or Jorge Julio, but that seems OK for Kiko or Springer.
Heaven has brick walls and St. Peter is a red bird.
by EinFesteBusch on Feb 10, 2010 3:03 PM EST up reply actions
I too would love...
to see the Flopster back. Make it happen Mo! Church would have been a nice move though…
"A slick way to out-figure a person is to get him figuring you figure he's figuring you're figuring he'll figure you aren't really figuring what you want him to figure you figure." ~ Whitey Herzog
Or should I say...
Make it happen lil Johnny!!
"A slick way to out-figure a person is to get him figuring you figure he's figuring you're figuring he'll figure you aren't really figuring what you want him to figure you figure." ~ Whitey Herzog
I will happy to see either Kiko or Flopez
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 10, 2010 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
wow
out of it today, maybe that earthquake shook my brain around
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 10, 2010 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
whoa, was there another earthquake?
Heaven has brick walls and St. Peter is a red bird.
by EinFesteBusch on Feb 10, 2010 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
there was a small one around chicago
3.8 I think. hardly anyone noticed it with the snowstorm and winds
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 10, 2010 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
it is pretty weird though
earthquake near Eureka, California, then Haiti, now the midwest. hmmm
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 10, 2010 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
I'd really like to know if that one is gonna go
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
Let me rephrase.....
I would like to know if it’s gonna blow…..so I can get the fuck outta here.
* is an Asshat
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I don't think that really matters
I’d like to know, so I can go out with a bang
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
TWSS see it works on so many levels
Heard a singer on the radio late last night
He says he's gonna kick the darkness
'til it bleeds daylight
or The Way Too Happy
Heard a singer on the radio late last night
He says he's gonna kick the darkness
'til it bleeds daylight
Not that Strauss
Also Wagner would be appropriate
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
"the will to happy" sounds like the newest self-help book by nietzsche.
"It doesn't have to be terribly prolific! Just so that it isn't childish and silly." She reflected. "I prefer stories about squalor." J.D.S.
by tom s. on Feb 11, 2010 2:15 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I think with the Boog injury
the Floppy signing is looking more and more likely. Unlike you, I’m not sure it’s a foregone conclusion, though. I think they still might just stand pat.
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by Felonius_Monk on Feb 11, 2010 5:11 AM EST up reply actions
Ryan's surgery
from Strauss’ chat:
“We interrupt this chat to announce that Brendan Ryan underwent surgery to repair his right wrist on Thursday. Ryan is expected to participate in camp and be ready by Opening Day but the club had no knowledge of a problem until late last week. General manager John Mozeliak said he is “disappointed” at the finding and the timing. Ryan had surgery Tuesday in Los Angeles."
Seriously?
This is like Glaus meets Freese…
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
See, I remember talking about Ryan's wrist on VEB
last season. He’s had chronic tendinitis for years, right? I’m not really too surprised by the need for surgery. I am surprised the team is acting like he kept this a secret. Of course, Strauss has the only scoop at this point, so I’m sure he’s dramatizing the hell out of this.
Forget it, spants. It's Chinatown. - tom s.
Leach has it now, too.
Is it Spring yet?
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Feb 10, 2010 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
And a much more tempered tone, too.
“He went into the offseason thinking it would go away with rest, and it didn’t,” Mozeliak said. “He ended up having a very benign ‘scope’ done on his wrist. … He’ll be limited at the beginning of camp. He won’t be swinging a bat for three weeks now.”
I am shocked SHOCKED that Strauss would amplify tension.
Forget it, spants. It's Chinatown. - tom s.
Very true.
Strauss making it seem worse than it is should not be a surprise. In fact, I should have know. Nonetheless, why wait until it will take a chunk of your Spring Training away? Wouldn’t you have a date set six weeks out or so with the mindset of: If my wrist isn’t feeling improved by then, I’m having the scope done so I ought to be ready to swing a bat by Spring Training.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Probably aggravated it...
…or at least noticed that it wasn’t feeling better during dinger camp.
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
The team may have requested that he try to avoid surgery.
Who knows what really happened.
Forget it, spants. It's Chinatown. - tom s.
I find it hard to believe that this team would encourage a player to play through an injury when they really need surgery.
Shocked. Shocked, I say.
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by Felonius_Monk on Feb 11, 2010 5:13 AM EST up reply actions
why the....*contemplates level of anger* FUCK
do they always seem to let these things slip by all GD offseason, then find them right before spring training and the season are set to begin?
Oh, I wasn't saying it in despair or anger...
more like…“Tyler mf’ing Greene, bitches!”
Greene’s always been my favorite not-quite-ready-for-primetime prospect.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Feb 10, 2010 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
you are tempting fate

He will run you down with a baseball
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
by VolsnCards5 on Feb 10, 2010 7:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
this is getting dangerous
don’t you guys know what happens if you post three pictures of Lugo in the same thread.
by brackenthebox on Feb 10, 2010 7:54 PM EST up reply actions
His what?

I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
Looks like
he’s whistlin’ Dixie.
Time for a new sig.
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 10, 2010 9:14 PM EST up reply actions
That is an awesome pic
rec’d
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by Felonius_Monk on Feb 11, 2010 5:14 AM EST up reply actions
your 2010 St. Louis Cardinal's player who stands between 3rd and 2nd
by brackenthebox on Feb 10, 2010 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, this was what I was thinking
…tick, tick, tick….
Time for a new sig.
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 10, 2010 9:15 PM EST up reply actions
fuck the heck?
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by Felonius_Monk on Feb 11, 2010 5:15 AM EST up reply actions
Why does it seem...
That our front office continually drops the ball on injuries? Christ…
"A slick way to out-figure a person is to get him figuring you figure he's figuring you're figuring he'll figure you aren't really figuring what you want him to figure you figure." ~ Whitey Herzog
yes cause if boog didnt say anything thinking it would go away
and is only now telling the team about it, then of course its somehow management’s fault
Dude, first off, that post was the third after the original poster...
Right before I went to work. I didn’t have the luxury of another hours worth of posts to filter through. And yes, I don’t feel that an instant reaction like that is out of line. Considering it’s happened more times than I can count the last few years. Also, why surgery NOW when ST is less than a month away. A problem like this needs be taken care of before now. And if players somehow aren’t aware of this, they need to be informed. And they already should have been. By who, you ask? Management.
"A slick way to out-figure a person is to get him figuring you figure he's figuring you're figuring he'll figure you aren't really figuring what you want him to figure you figure." ~ Whitey Herzog
shouldn't surgery in february be the last choice
behind, for example, surgery in december
by brackenthebox on Feb 10, 2010 6:51 PM EST up reply actions
I understand your point
But rest and rehab take time. You may not be able to gage how more imporvement/lack of improvement you have in December. Once you have surgery you don’t get the chance to go back to not having Surgery. And more things can go wrong under the knife. Healing time from surgery may take longer than expected. There are many reasons not to have surgery until all other options have been exhausted. Players (and teams) also need to think in terms of Careers and not signal seasons when deciding to get cut.
yea, I was mainly being glib
pushing the surgery back until the recovery timetable just touches the start of the season probably makes sense when rehab is still be a viable alternative
by brackenthebox on Feb 10, 2010 7:03 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with this point,
however, most patients elect to push surgery back for as long as they possibly can. Nearly every baseball player attempts to rehab every injury, despite the futility of rehab in many situations.
I don’t like this at all, but I hope Ryan’s already high pain tolerance will allow him to deal with what will probably be mixed results from this surgery.
"What's your favorite Chuck Palahniuk book?"
"I like the one about the alienated character who finds the socially unacceptable way of coping with modernity."
Also,
HFASGAHHHH GODDAMNITASSWHATAREWEGONNADOOOOOOOO
"What's your favorite Chuck Palahniuk book?"
"I like the one about the alienated character who finds the socially unacceptable way of coping with modernity."
Seems unlikely at this point
But we could give it a shot and see what happens.
We’re gonna need white-out.
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
Surgery, cake...
or death?
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by Felonius_Monk on Feb 11, 2010 5:19 AM EST up reply actions
At least, it doesn't sound serious
he said, invoking the ghost of Troy Glaus.
surgery = serious
At the risk of oversimplification, EVERY SURGERY INVOLVES A KNIFE WOUND.
I read this as, “the doctor who stabbed Brendan Ryan in his right wrist, thinks he’ll recover quickly.” I am not encouraged.
by madridbend on Feb 10, 2010 4:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Also, wrist surgeries suck
I’d venture to say they are similar to labrum repairs for pitchers.
by Ray Lankford on Feb 10, 2010 5:33 PM EST up reply actions
A little more from Strauss
“Mozeliak said he is still counting on Ryan as the teams Opening Day shortstop but would change his posture if Ryan’s recovery is slower than anticipated. For now, Tyler Greene and Julio Lugo loom as the leading alternatives.”
If you use the reply button, it would make me VERY happy.
Forget it, spants. It's Chinatown. - tom s.
if he could just make the story go away
it would make ME very happy
by brackenthebox on Feb 10, 2010 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
He's making a general comment...
Make an aniGIF about it. That’ll set everyone straight.
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
I will blow up this thread, guayzimi. Don't make me do it.
Forget it, spants. It's Chinatown. - tom s.
sorry
if my idea of proper placement doesn’t mesh with yours
Wow. I was just making a friendly comment.
If you want the discussion to be less orderly, be my guest.
Forget it, spants. It's Chinatown. - tom s.
You are a terrible person for the following reasons:
1) You annoyed spants
2) Your response to spants was more serious than she would’ve preferred
3) You made spants feel like a reply fail nazi
It’s spants’ world. We’re just living in it…
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
NOW YOU'VE DUNNIT(ducks)
Heard a singer on the radio late last night
He says he's gonna kick the darkness
'til it bleeds daylight
I really don't understand your animosity towards me.
And I certainly can’t be the only person who likes to see a conversation stay threaded.
Forget it, spants. It's Chinatown. - tom s.
by spants on Feb 10, 2010 4:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It really isn't that hard of a skill to reply
Especially if you are replying to your self
by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 10, 2010 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
There's no animosity...
somebody has to stick up for these guys. Reply fail is not a mortal sin!
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
I was nice about it. It was a request, not a command.
I could’ve been like any other ass and yelled “REPLY FAIL” repeatedly until he got it.
Forget it, spants. It's Chinatown. - tom s.
Henckels?
Heard a singer on the radio late last night
He says he's gonna kick the darkness
'til it bleeds daylight
They're worth it.
If you go get one good, versatile chef’s knife tomorrow, you won’t regret it.
Plus a couple non matching ones from the thrift store
you wouldn’t want to answer any police q’s about why there are knives missing from your set.
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
One of my favorite wedding presents
Good cookware is really really nice to have.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
You know what I like? Pans.
Pans, pans, pans, pans. And more fucking pans. I really like pans.
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by Felonius_Monk on Feb 11, 2010 5:24 AM EST up reply actions
I have a whole collection of Le Creuset best investment ever
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
Cuisinart Multi-Clad Pro.....
All-Clad clones and a fair price.
* is an Asshat
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Heh. I was going to add to my post
that accumulating Le Creuset stuff is, henceforth, basically my means of keeping “score” in life. So far I’m on zero, although I nearly bought a casserole the other day. In the end, I decided that the purity of my “pans” message was best left unsullied.
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by Felonius_Monk on Feb 11, 2010 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
I have an older Cousances
set picked up cheap at an estate sale. Josh stops to look for masonry tools, and he really nailed it picking up that set.
I also have a Lodge enameled 3 qt and it is quite good and quite cheap.
Forget it, spants. It's Chinatown. - tom s.
yea, I have a lodge enamble 3 and 6 qt
gets the job done
by brackenthebox on Feb 11, 2010 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
hey spants and Flim and others
I viewed the two aspects of what Strauss said as separate – I don’t see the two Strauss comments as directly related, where a reply was necessary, even if they were both concerning Ryan’s surgery – thus, I didn’t reply but put the second at the bottom of where the thread then was – as I said, sorry if it doesn’t mesh with your views of what I should have done – I think the flow of the thread is fine the way I did it – and, my comment was not meant to be antagonistic – just take it as a disagreement
you don't think
That comments from the same person about the same subject have nothing to do with each other
by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 10, 2010 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
sure they do
but one was the fact Ryan had the surgery – the other was that he was thought to be available for opening day – I see them as related but what’s the big deal if they lead to separate discussions – for the first, there is now a nice discussion of the surgery – there has been less discussion of Ryan’s availability (or potential lack thereof) for opening day (and I placed this right after the discussion on the first aspect) – to me, they are two separate but related discussions – you can certainly disagree, but I don’t see what the big deal is – all I said was that I was sorry my view of proper placement differed from that of spants – then everyone went off
Can we all get off each other's ass
about a reply that could or could not have been a direct reply?
There are now some 20 replies about this. Adults should recognize when a conversation isn’t going to bear any fruit and just walk away.
Think; It's not illegal yet.
by azruavatar on Feb 10, 2010 8:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This comment made it official
I can no longer read the word “fruit” on this blog without immediately thinking of the phrase “low-hanging fruit.”
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
Are avacados a fruit?
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
why does everyone here mis-spell avocado?
or is that the US way of spelling it?
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by Felonius_Monk on Feb 11, 2010 5:26 AM EST up reply actions
It's likely directly related to the fact
that we’re all stupid Americans…
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
Why can't you guys pronounce Aluminum?
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
I don't mind specific words so much
as the letter z is named zed somehow. Still trying to figure that one out. I’m also not a fan of the extraneous u after the o some words.
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
You see, I like the extra "u".
I’m not even sure it is, in the strictest sense, extraneous. And ironically, if so, shouldn’t that be “extraneus”?
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by Felonius_Monk on Feb 11, 2010 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
Because we don't spell it (or pronounce it) aluminum.
We spell (and pronounce) it aluminium.
On this point, I’d probably concede that the american way is probably the best – the original spelling was, I believe, aluminum, and the “i” was added in a later paper to make it match up with a couple of other elements that’d been recently discovered (and to make it sound more cool, basically).
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by Felonius_Monk on Feb 11, 2010 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
I know when I'm homeless,
I’m not going to tell people I live in a box and eat out of a dumpster. I’ll tell them I collect aluminium cans.
"What's your favorite Chuck Palahniuk book?"
"I like the one about the alienated character who finds the socially unacceptable way of coping with modernity."
it is a phonetic spelling
I and most I meet pronounce it av-ah-cah-doh not av-oh-cah-doh and since I can see Russia from here my spelling is correct
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
Now you're just being humanist
you dirty, no good robot.
Time for a new sig.
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 10, 2010 9:34 PM EST up reply actions
Everyone, calm down.
Pitchers and Catchers report in one week.
Keep your fingers crossed about Brendan. Be happy. Albert still plays for us.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
Got my tickets for Spring Training.
Suck it losers!
by Tom_Lawless_Bat_Flip on Feb 10, 2010 6:48 PM EST up reply actions
She wasn't lying
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
Dad? Is that you?
Please come home. It doesn’t take that long to get milk.
by Tom_Lawless_Bat_Flip on Feb 10, 2010 7:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Seriously I am a nice guy
I would NEVER call your mother a liar
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
by TomCat009 on Feb 10, 2010 7:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I like how this is hidden
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
Yeah I mean who hasn't had the proper placement argument at least once?
Heard a singer on the radio late last night
He says he's gonna kick the darkness
'til it bleeds daylight
That's what she said?
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
I think she insinuated, but never actually came right out with it
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
its situations like this where I really don't want to see the TWSS go away.
well done.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
There's nothing wrong with a well-deployed TWSS
Sometimes overuse dilutes its humor, though.
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
The $8 million guarantee for Pineiro...
in 2011 was impossible. It would’ve set the payroll at over $100 million right now for only about 17 guys. It would’ve have required us to trade or non-tender Ludwick.
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
$100 million guaranteed for 17 players...
already guarantees a large increase in salary. Plus it totally eliminates any flexibility.
I don’t think people realize how bad the payroll situation is for 2011. The Lohse deal completely fucked us.
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
We have about $90M dedicated to 17 players
Without arbitration for Ludwick, Ryan, or McCellan
by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 10, 2010 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
Right...
but those three will command $10 million plus and we don’t have replacements for Luddy or Ryan.
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
I am less concerned about losing Ludwick than I am losing Ryan
Almost all good short stops are home grown.
by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 10, 2010 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
Well I guess there's only one thing left to do...
win the whole ****ing thing
Is it Spring yet?
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Feb 10, 2010 4:35 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
We should've got the live chicken
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Feb 10, 2010 7:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
you can get the clap from golf?
did not know that.
Time for a new sig.
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 10, 2010 9:38 PM EST up reply actions
Same thing we do every year, Tommy....
try to win the Major League Baseball World Title!

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by Felonius_Monk on Feb 11, 2010 5:31 AM EST up reply actions
The Rockies seem to hate Seth Smith maybe they will trade him
Heard a singer on the radio late last night
He says he's gonna kick the darkness
'til it bleeds daylight
That's Seth Green
Thanks for playing, we have some lovely parting gifts for you
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Feb 10, 2010 5:59 PM EST up reply actions
Aw
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Feb 10, 2010 7:14 PM EST up reply actions
Seth Smith
has to be one of the more generic names in baseball. Up there with Jason Davis, Josh Johnson, etc.
It would suck to be a middle of the road ballplayer named Johnson, Smith, Davis, because there’s little chance, you’ll ever be the best player with your last name. Now with a name like Pujols or Niekro, or Piazza, the chances are greatly improved that you may be the only player with your name, barring family members.
I thought Rajanigandha was a boy's name
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
by TomCat009 on Feb 10, 2010 7:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Theory: people are more likely to trade players like this in fantasy baseball
Because they seem boring and don’t appear to stand out.
Exceptional talent can surpass this (Josh Johnson), but Seth Smith is ripe for the picking.
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
Remember when there were two Pedro Martinez's in the league?
The lefty reliever had to add his middle initial, A., so everyone would know who was being discussed. I think I know which one is going to the HOF.
Time for a new sig.
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 10, 2010 9:51 PM EST up reply actions
Actually,
the other one is a really down-to-earth guy who has a subdued, workmanlike fashion sense, a happy marriage, and a subtle, salt-of-the-earth wisdom that colors his judgment and comments.
Just kidding, he’s probably a douche too.
"What's your favorite Chuck Palahniuk book?"
"I like the one about the alienated character who finds the socially unacceptable way of coping with modernity."
Cubs have a decent pitching prospect called Chris Carpenter.
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by Felonius_Monk on Feb 11, 2010 5:34 AM EST up reply actions
I thought that show was made by the guy who wouldn't play on Yom Kippur a few years back
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
No that's the guy who fixes everything at possum lodge with ductape
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
Two many t's my friend I clearly said ductape
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
I don't read words man...
I read sentences. And how I miss Red Green.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
I can hear that possum call now
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
It would be great for someone to use that
as their theme music coming up to bat.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
Red Foreman also a quality choice
I really think that anyone named Red in television or movies is a good call. Red Green, Red Foreman, Red from Shawshank…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
I smell Floppy's price going up
Heard a singer on the radio late last night
He says he's gonna kick the darkness
'til it bleeds daylight
that's right I can smell price changes(ECON 418 baby)
Heard a singer on the radio late last night
He says he's gonna kick the darkness
'til it bleeds daylight
by TomCat009 on Feb 10, 2010 4:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
how can it go up when no one has been willing to sign him at whatever his price is now?
I cannot BELIEVE no one has signed him! I think I say that about 12 times a day.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
because a franchise with some wiggle room this year just added one more question mark to an IF
that is rife with them, floppy would instantly become the second best IF in STL and arguably their 3 best hitter
Heard a singer on the radio late last night
He says he's gonna kick the darkness
'til it bleeds daylight
sorry 3rd ^ best
Heard a singer on the radio late last night
He says he's gonna kick the darkness
'til it bleeds daylight
3rd raised to the power of best?
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by Felonius_Monk on Feb 11, 2010 5:36 AM EST up reply actions
You know here in Colorado we have
Troy Trever Tulowitzki the TCubed so maybe by implication that is exactly what I am saying
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
attn: chicago peeps
hey, my band is playing tonight at a good venue, Bottom Lounge. come on out and support some local music! $8, 10pm
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 10, 2010 4:38 PM EST reply actions
Why do teams go out on a limb and spend crazy money
on over the hill Vets? A few that come to mind Zito, Schmidt, Carlos Guillen, Tejada, Looper, The Cubs, Juan Pierre, Andruw Jones, and Suppan. What makes these guys who are otherwise somewhat intelligent people throw eveything out the window and chase these falling stars?
Heard a singer on the radio late last night
He says he's gonna kick the darkness
'til it bleeds daylight
Zito was 28 when he signed his contract
Hardly in the same age group as the others you mention
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Feb 10, 2010 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
yeah but the wear and tear signs were everywhere on that one
Cool the were/wear/where confusion all in one sentence
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
Zito just wasn't ever that good
if you look at what he did in Oakland, he was never an elite pitcher.
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by Felonius_Monk on Feb 11, 2010 5:37 AM EST up reply actions
They sure paid him like one
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
Do the Cubs only win the World Series when Hell(Chicago) freezes over? If so watch out for them this year
The official snowfall for Tuesday was 12.6 inches, measured at O’Hare International Airport, which set a new daily record snowfall for the month of February. The last record for daily snowfall for February in Chicago was 11.5 inches, set on Feb. 18, 1908.
http://cbs2chicago.com/local/snow.foot.chicago.2.1481078.html
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
whenever I think of the Cubs I get this image in my head

The little cub on the logo looks like Muttley in my mind.
by RDCardsfan on Feb 10, 2010 6:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Hahhaa he called the S*** poop
Heard a singer on the radio late last night
He says he's gonna kick the darkness
'til it bleeds daylight
I pretty much agree with your grades RB
except for Jo-El. All of us knew that he was going to ask for a big contract and knew that he wasn’t going to get it. I think the Cards made a smart move by not signing Jo-El.
We already went down the road with Lohse, and I think STL wanted to try to avoid something like that again.
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SIGN FELIPE LOPEZ & JOHN SMOLTZ!
How incompetent was the Steve Phillips era Mets?
Because of him, they’re paying Bobby Bonilla over a million dollars this year. And for the next 25 years.
Bonilla’s second stint with the Mets turned out to be just as disastrous as his first. After a knee injury sidelined him in March, he gained weight and hit just .160 in 60 games with the team. His lumbering ineptitude in the field earned him sarcastic ovations from Shea Stadium crowds whenever he fielded the ball cleanly. Unhappy with Bonilla’s play, the Mets placed him on irrevocable waivers in June. Not surprisingly, he went unclaimed.
For his part, Bonilla was angry that he wasn’t given more at-bats, often clashing loudly with manager Bobby Valentine over his lack of playing time. He was kept on the post-season roster, but struck out twice in his four at-bats as a pinch-hitter. As the Mets were eliminated by the Braves in the eleventh inning of a gut-wrenching NLCS Game Six, Bonilla reportedly sat in the clubhouse with teammate Rickey Henderson — playing cards.
"I’m not going to stay quiet again next year," Bonilla announced in December. But by that point, it was clear that Bonilla had no future in New York. He was finally released in January after reaching an unusual agreement with the Mets: Instead of picking up his $5.9 million salary for the 2000 season, the team pledged to pay him $1,193,248.20 each July 1st from 2011 to 2035 — nearly $30 million all told. Less than a month later, Bonilla signed with the Braves. link
Not only did he help to bring us Albert Pujols (though, really, his injury let mabry make the opening day squad), he still slightly hampers the Mets payroll.
Heck of a job, Steve Phillips.
Damn.
I get fat and my girlfriend screws around. Bonilla gets fat and gets 1 million a year.
by Tom_Lawless_Bat_Flip on Feb 10, 2010 7:00 PM EST up reply actions
Blech
Steve Phillips. Never liked the guy – fat head and his analysis was almost always dumb or flat wrong. Not surprising that he was fired for having sex with an ESPN employee.
I thought that was Harold Reynolds, or Chris Berman?
Jesus, everyone at ESPN is getting laid. Christ, I’m updating my resume.
I don't think Phillips got laid so much as he got crushed
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Feb 10, 2010 7:02 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
That was a rather hefty penalty to face, I mean he must have been exhausted from carrying that around with him
I am sure it felt like a giant weight was lifted from him when it was all over
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
well it is a weighty decision to come clean, all I am saying is that it would put a lot of strain on someone
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
in case anyone is wondering
the $5.9M in 2000 and the $1.2M for 2011-2035 break even by NPV at an 8% return
by brackenthebox on Feb 10, 2010 7:05 PM EST up reply actions
8% return for 20+ years is not an easy thing to accomplish
by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 10, 2010 7:18 PM EST up reply actions
no argument there
probably looked easier in 2000
by brackenthebox on Feb 10, 2010 7:19 PM EST up reply actions
not to mention the propensity to blow through your earnings an be broke a few years into retirement
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
How can this be true?
No one would agree to that, would they?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
What player wouldn't? That would be wonderful.
Bonilla had already made millions at that point, so why not guarantee and average annual salary of over $1MM for your retirement years? What I meant was that no organization would agree to that. It’s terrible.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I can't believe it either
why wouldn’t you just eat the 5M and cut him?
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Feb 10, 2010 10:39 PM EST up reply actions
because Steve Phillips *.
/fixed
Time for a new sig.
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 10, 2010 11:51 PM EST up reply actions
Good report card. Good off-season for Cards.
Pleased with the way things have shaken out. Props to Mo.
Loved the Penny/Hill signings. Both were pleasant surprises.
Letting D-Ro and Pineiro sign elsewhere was fine with me. Glad we didn’t overpay. And both ended up on teams I like, so that’s a bonus, personally.
A little sad to see Glaus go. But it was time. Glad he signed with the Braves. I think he’ll do well in ATL at 1B.
My last wish is that we are able to sign Smoltz at a bargain price. He seems like such a great fit for STL at this point. I’ll even wait ‘til mid-season, if need be. I’m patient.
My one worry: The 2010 St. Louis Cardinals look great… on paper. Baseball has a way of humbling us. Sometimes teams that look great on paper flop and are surpassed by another team from out of nowhere (e.g., the 2008 Rays). Hope the Cards are able to post some Ws out of the shoot and dominate throughout. That would be fun!
A bit off topic, but
Any chance we could get a report card for Jeff Lunhow? I think it would be interesting to discuss his role in the Cardinals drafting process…
Well we have a dozen league minimum guys
on the roster, so I would say he’s done pretty well.
* is an Asshat
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Yeah, it's really impressive I must say
and something I didn’t really notice until people here started pointing it out. The “fill up the roster with league-minimum type guys so we can afford the big boys” strategy at least seems to be going all right at the moment.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Now all that needs to happen
is a deep run in the playoffs to prove the strategery.
* is an Asshat
Also, Dave Concepcion.
plus his picks got us matt holliday
and derosa
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
That's actually a pretty good idea.
I’ll see if I can work something up before too very long.
Make way for the Homo Superior.
by the red baron on Feb 11, 2010 1:08 AM EST up reply actions
Can anyone else view the perception versus reality article
that Strauss posted on Cardinals Beat? I read it a day or two ago but wanted to a) let it simmer and then b) dissect it. Only now I can’t access it. . . stupid PD site.
Think; It's not illegal yet.
I can see the top part of the page.
No text or anything.
Forget it, spants. It's Chinatown. - tom s.
The Waino arrives Bueno one?
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
oh never freakin mind
learn how to read a freakin subjuct line!
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
nope, even if I try
another link, it’s a no go
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
You just used the wrong link on the search results
by brackenthebox on Feb 10, 2010 10:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Damn fine work man!
that should make the robot happy
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Feb 10, 2010 10:53 PM EST up reply actions
lol
"I’ll put our analysis up against Keith Law’s all day long and after five minutes the debate will be over," he says, calling the Cardinals’ internal rankings "very defensible."
* is an Asshat
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I particularly liked this comment:
Who cares!!!!!!!!!!!
— Gary H.
1:37 pm February 9th, 2010
The mind boggles.
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by Felonius_Monk on Feb 11, 2010 5:45 AM EST up reply actions
maybe they are taking Joe Strauss off-line
one article at a time?
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
same place as hardcore legend?
i miss his commenting prowess
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
I think he must be on his annual sabbatical of VEB
If he’s not back by ST, I say….ROADTRIP!
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
if I had to guess, he doesn't have internet anymore
the only thing I’m basing it off of though is that his last comment was during the end of January.
of course there’s the chance he’s among us right now, watching, waiting.
How dare you?!
Make way for the Homo Superior.
by the red baron on Feb 11, 2010 1:10 AM EST up reply actions
The Rundown
is my professional gig, after all.
Make way for the Homo Superior.
by the red baron on Feb 11, 2010 1:17 AM EST up reply actions
and a surprisingly good movie
"There's a lot of things we say that don't make sense to our viewers. Okay, primarily me." ~Al Hrabosky~
by YesWeOquendo on Feb 11, 2010 1:20 AM EST up reply actions
yes that would be a surprise
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
well then I'll only read your stuff.
and with time, perhaps I’ll be a more frequent user of the site
It's all my stuff.
I’m the only contributor. And thank you.
Make way for the Homo Superior.
by the red baron on Feb 11, 2010 1:36 AM EST up reply actions
yeah, there's a few regulars I haven't seen lately
d-dee, yadi2…
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
my theory is that yadi2
fired up the van, grabbed gdm, headed to spring training, and they are presently in jail somewhere in alabama.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
if so, I am gonna be pissed
I wanted to meet Fredbird!
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Feb 10, 2010 10:44 PM EST up reply actions
well, i'm in louisiana
guess i could go over and bail them out. question is, should i?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Probably not jail
I heard there was a river that was going to be flooded for a dam, and they wanted to canoe down it, maybe do some hunting, before that happened. Somewhere in Georgia, is what I heard.
Time for a new sig.
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 11, 2010 12:09 AM EST up reply actions
Might be the Cahulawassee river.
Time for a new sig.
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 11, 2010 12:10 AM EST up reply actions
or maybe they went
way down yonder on the chattahoochee
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Feb 11, 2010 12:16 AM EST up reply actions
however,
i was recently informed that temperatures often exceed that of a hoochie coochie
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Feb 11, 2010 12:16 AM EST up reply actions
reminds me of that photo
of the clemson girls at the hooch
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I think Y2S said he needed to get a ring
out of a drawer or something.
Damn, they’re gonna be in a tight spot if they’re not careful.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Feb 11, 2010 12:21 AM EST up reply actions
Two great movies.
Time for a new sig.
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 11, 2010 12:31 AM EST up reply actions
I would never attempt to steal any Rasmuses.
there’s an overabundance of them
gdm, on the other hand…
(I should go afk more often. this is amusing.)
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
glad you made it through
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I may disappear again shortly
had to resurface
Boog doesn’t nurse an injury every day
oh wait…
(i kid because i care)
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
This may have been discussed before
and if it has, forgive me
What do you guys think the cardinals chances of signing holliday this offseason would have been had we not traded for him in july? could we have kept wallace, mort, and peterson and still signed holliday? granted, we probably would not have made the playoffs without holliday, but really, all we got out of it was a sweep
just some food for thought
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
there was no market for him
we could’ve still signed him. ’course there was no way to anticipate the lack of a market for him
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
It would of cost us a first rounder as well.
Brett Wallace would continue to make us try and force him at 3b, and people would be EVEN MORE insecure about Pujols resigning.
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
we could have signed him, but WOULD we have?
that’s the question. or, OTOH, he may have gone to another team at the deadline that would have offered him more money to stay, and we wouldn’t have gotten him anyway. i’m not sure mgmt would have been willing to give him such a huge contract without knowing at all how he fits in with the team and tony, etc. also, my guess is someone internally would have gotten some chances at LF – maybe Craig. and maybe he’d be the starting LF this year.
i think we would have made the playoffs without Holliday, though, based on the total Cub meltdown. but it probably would have been a tighter division.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
I think we'd have still made the playoffs
and, given we offered the best deal, we’d have still been able to sign him this off-season. We’d obviously have given up our 1st round pick as well, though.
Still, it’s water under the bridge.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Feb 11, 2010 5:48 AM EST up reply actions
From our new $100 million man's twitter
“Loading the car tonight to ship down to florida for spring training. 1st spring in fl. Hard to believe it’s already that time again”
Does anyone else find it refreshing he’s driving to Florida?
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
I think I'd just buy a new one when I got down there
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
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Then drive it into the ocean when you're done with it.
by Mister Eff on Feb 10, 2010 9:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'd drive into the back of a truck
then drive the truck into the ocean, and look on while I light my cigar with a thousand dollar bill
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
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He can
It just costs more
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Feb 10, 2010 9:18 PM EST up reply actions
I think I might just have to finally boycott foxsports.com
Gotta go poke out my eyes now…
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
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at first i was like..I'm not a NASCAR fan, but there isn't anything else going on right now..
but then I was like…
oh man, I’m not even that Evil. Jerks.
at least he used a suject line
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
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WHAT THE FUCK MAN
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Feb 10, 2010 9:19 PM EST up reply actions
No

You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all.
-- Earl Weaver
by Smokin Turkeys on Feb 10, 2010 9:26 PM EST up reply actions 11 recs
Speaking of NASCAR
it makes a really half assed segue into this . However I feel that everyone needs to see it.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
now that's a freakin rocketship
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
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by mattyfrommo on Feb 10, 2010 11:43 PM EST up reply actions
well at least i am a *
and not a ginger,so i have that going for me
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
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by mattyfrommo on Feb 10, 2010 11:44 PM EST up reply actions
at first I thought it was about tebow then I saw it.
But this doesn’t make sense
Albert Pujols
Before we go any further, let us assure panicked (and understandably outraged) Cardinals fans that Pujols isn’t going anywhere. The chances of him leaving the Cardinals are negligible.
But …
He’s in his walk year, and the Cardinals have just plunked down $120 million for Matt Holliday. In all likelihood, they wrote this massive check to convince Pujols they’re serious about winning. Then again, the Cardinals might’ve been safe-guarding themselves against the possibility that Pujols decides he’s worth more than GM John Mozeliak can pay.
If Pujols wants Alex Rodriguez-like money — and everyone knows he’s worth it and then some — the Yankees would be hisbest option. No one in the Bombers’ front office is counting on this as a realistic outcome, but as the old New York Lottery slogan used to say, "hey, you never know." —
Really? Because I thought he had an option after this year, and why the spankees? Tex plays first and Arod is most likely going to DH in a few years.
I can't see Pujols going to the Yankees
He seems to prideful of a man to be a DH for more money. But the Mets, Red Sox, and Angels make perfect sense.
by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 10, 2010 9:03 PM EST up reply actions
damon's price is now 1 yr $4million
Can this be a bad signing? Give me two years of that at the top of our lineup and trade the studwick for some pitching.
Just win
I quite like Damon
I can’t believe the low ball offers he is getting for only $4M. Why hasn’t the market for bullpen guys gone down this much?
by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 10, 2010 9:11 PM EST up reply actions
You want Lego in RF?
Damon would give up so many runs in RF with his noodle arm
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Feb 10, 2010 9:20 PM EST up reply actions
i'd rather get floppy for that cash
and actually fill a need than have to trade one of our top contributors for what probably won’t be much of a gain if any
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Feb 10, 2010 9:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Does this lead to him firing Boras?
I realize that it probably does not, but it has to be angering to know you turned down a deal from your former team, the reigning World Champs that was two years and now your being low-balled for less than one-third of the total guaranteed money of the contract you rejected.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
why would anyone trade a pitcher for ryan ludwick
if they could just sign Damon for $4m?
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Feb 11, 2010 5:51 AM EST up reply actions
Well they are completely different players for one
Damon is a top of the order, set the table kind of guy with some pop who hits from the left side and has a long record of taking his teams deep into playoffs and Ludwick is a late bloomer with one great and one good season who hits for power from the right side and is completely redundant to us as we have pujols and holliday.
I like the team as is but let’s not forget this same team with pujols, holliday, ludwick in the middle of the order didin’t get out of first round. I think Damon is a better fit for our lineup right now than Ludwick.
Ludwick surely would get you some currency in a trade — what I don’t know, but he’s an elite RF.
Just win
Be like Boras - he's Floppy's agent, no- will be all over Boog'swrist. Floppy might be the alternative of (last) choice. .
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
37
it’s shitting cold
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Feb 10, 2010 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
beyond tomorrow, though
60s the rest of the week, baby
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Feb 10, 2010 10:42 PM EST up reply actions
I got 19 here...
which is deceptive. Cause it’s double digits so you think you’re okay… then you walk outside and wonder where your nuts went to…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
I spent 6 winters in Champaign...
I can relate. It’s cold and windy as hell down there. I had an old roommate who described it as cuss word cold. When you were walking to class all that goes through your head are cuss words.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
Yeah that's when you invest the time in growing a beard
how women get by without beards only proves they can take way more pain than I ever could.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
it is the fact that women cannot grow beards
rather than the fact that women regularly give birth to 9-lb babies that proves they can take more pain than you?
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
P.S. Phoenix rocks
68 and sunny tomorrow. everyone should move here. plus, spring training.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
I'm sold
as soon as the Cubs no longer have ST in Arizona, Imma movin’
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
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by mattyfrommo on Feb 11, 2010 12:04 AM EST up reply actions
Damnit
Here I am eating some popcorn minding my own business and then I see that and now I don’t think I can finish the bag… jerk
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
not thats an *
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
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by mattyfrommo on Feb 11, 2010 12:05 AM EST up reply actions
now...gah, stupid freakin keyboard!
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by mattyfrommo on Feb 11, 2010 12:05 AM EST up reply actions
I really enjoy the choice of the word regularly...
makes it sound like women pop out a kid every few weeks. And I think the child birth thing goes without saying…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
besides how hard could it be?
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
Wrong the correct answer was TWSS, back to T-Ball young man
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
I'll let one of these two VEB'ers ^ be the test subjects
thankyouverymuch
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
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by mattyfrommo on Feb 11, 2010 12:06 AM EST up reply actions
Seriously I mean like a billion women do it a year it can't be that difficult
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
I know it's cold enough for me to wear two pairs of socks.
Forget it, spants. It's Chinatown. - tom s.
overpriced
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Feb 11, 2010 12:19 AM EST up reply actions
It's awesome
probably even capable of doing a Penny pitch f/x analysis in half the time it would take to do it on a PC
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
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by mattyfrommo on Feb 11, 2010 12:22 AM EST up reply actions
and Done!!!
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
one internet dollar says
for the price of that mac book, i could build a pc that is much more powerful
oh and more compatible, but i guess that’s just implied
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Feb 11, 2010 12:24 AM EST up reply actions
depends what you want
i would recommend you custom build a pc tailored to your needs. unless you’re insistent on a laptop
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Feb 11, 2010 12:25 AM EST up reply actions
Cmon john
how else is a man supposed to watch porn in class if he doesn’t have a laptop… gotta think here buddy.
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
he has an iphone
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Feb 11, 2010 12:30 AM EST up reply actions
I don't need you poking holes in my arguments...
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
Here are the programs I use
Word, Excel, FireFox, iTunes, Acquisition, PowerPoint, MAMP, Sequel Pro and R. That’s really about it. I need decent processing power for MAMP, but besides that I’m looking for usability.
by vivaelpujols on Feb 11, 2010 12:28 AM EST up reply actions
what' you budget?
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Feb 11, 2010 12:29 AM EST up reply actions
none really
I’m fine with getting the MacBook for a thou, but not if a Toshiba or something would be easier to use.
by vivaelpujols on Feb 11, 2010 12:30 AM EST up reply actions
well, that's too subjective for me to comment on
most people think that os x is more intuitive, but i’d think that someone with your technical skills wouldn’t have an issue using windows 7
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Feb 11, 2010 12:32 AM EST up reply actions
Also have to factor in how much you enjoy right clicking...
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
Reminds me of the joke...
Linux is free only if your time is worth nothing.
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
That's the chance you take when you roll with me.
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
alright, this is just tired bashing
right -clicking on the Mac multitouch trackpads is a significantly better experience than anything else I’ve run across. Right click dragging is the only thing I can think of that is better with a traditional button setup.
You people are making me defend Apple here, and I hate Apple.
by brackenthebox on Feb 11, 2010 7:21 AM EST up reply actions
Why do you hate Apple?
I assume it’s something to do with the structure of it. I read your brothers blog post on why he liked the IPad despite hating Apple, but I couldn’t find why he hated Apple.
by vivaelpujols on Feb 11, 2010 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
hate might be a little strong
but while I think they do make a lot of good products, I’m not a big fan of the company’s philosophy. The arbitrarily restrictive policies of the iPhone look like they’re spreading to the iPad and potentially even further up their computing line. Having locked down consumer devices is one thing, but the iPad is looking to be the primary computing device for a lot of people. I understand the point of having a single monitored source for applications (package managers are the first thing that really sold me on Linux), but they are clearly abusing their power in rejecting competitors apps (e.g. Google, all browsers, all media players), and their aggressive actions to prevent jailbreaking makes no sense to me. I’m not exactly a Free software nut, but I have leanings in that direction, and Apple is about as far on the other side of that spectrum as you can get.
From a more practical side, I’ve had horrible experience with their enterprise support. We bought an XServe RAID from them and 5 years later it was almost impossible to find replacement drives and parts for it. We had to operate with a single power supply for close to two months before they were able to ship us a replacement. That is just completely unacceptable for an enterprise product.
by brackenthebox on Feb 11, 2010 11:55 PM EST up reply actions
Tyler has, in my opinion, an irrational hatred of Apple, but it's founded on similar ideas to what I mentioned above
I’m surprised to see that anyone has read that blog as we haven’t really done anything with it yet. We’re planning to devote more of our time to it going forward, so hopefully it’ll be worth the occasional read in the not too distant future.
by brackenthebox on Feb 12, 2010 12:03 AM EST up reply actions
I think I'll just get the mac
The current one actually looks pretty good.
by vivaelpujols on Feb 11, 2010 12:34 AM EST up reply actions
which one?
same price, considerably more processing power (though neither really blow me away. that’s just how it goes with laptops), three times as much RAM, twice as much HDD capacity, considerably larger screen, pretty bad ass video card which is 4 times as powerful as the macbook (which probably won’t matter to you), considerably larger screen, it just doesn’t have that nifty light up logo on it
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Feb 11, 2010 12:49 AM EST up reply actions
oh and
twice as much l2 cache on the processor. no l3 cache, but like i said, such is the nature of laptops. generally about a generation behind on CPUs
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Feb 11, 2010 12:52 AM EST up reply actions
If you going macbook
I’d say wait. The new i7 and i5 processors are supposed to be going into the macbook pro soon, and even if you don’t want/need it, apple will drop the prices on the older models.
"There's a lot of things we say that don't make sense to our viewers. Okay, primarily me." ~Al Hrabosky~
by YesWeOquendo on Feb 11, 2010 1:18 AM EST up reply actions
I got a Dell Inspiron something
with 4 gigs ram and fairly mid-grade everything else for $650 with shipping and tax.
Forget it, spants. It's Chinatown. - tom s.
that's similar to this?
It wasn't that one, and I always upgrade from Dell components, just because.
Forget it, spants. It's Chinatown. - tom s.
maybe this then
It was that, but 15" instead.
Forget it, spants. It's Chinatown. - tom s.
by spants on Feb 11, 2010 12:38 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
TWSS
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
Seriously fSBN
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
I just thought
you were really adamant about it…
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
I was actually jumping up and down as I typed it
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
When Oscar Wilde said" We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars"
in your case he would have probably thought you were checking to see if they had undies on.
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
There's no need to attack my style...
I’m remaining as immature as possible for as long as possible.
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
Oh I rarely wait untill there is a need
I just jump right in there and insult everything I can
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
I like your aggressive style
It’s how I approach the HEYO/That’s what she said game… go big go early and go often…
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
Lenovo thinkpad t400
through their family and friends site (unless someone knows the passcode for their contractor purchase site)
Lenovo is top gear
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
What do awesome TV shows
have to do with anything?
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
especially the one where they took the junk cars over africa's spine
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
I enjoyed the one where they were driving trucks...
Got to see the Stig’s trucker cousin… I love the stuff they do with the Stig… one show they had him in the background of the office making copies of his face… that’s just good clean fun there…
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
indeed
sometimes I just toss this bitch across the room and then douse it in hot coffee just to see how the titanium rollcage and internal drain work
I bet you are a real hit at parties "here dude, no it will totally work just hand it here"
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
i'm ordering one of those
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
i don't get it
people are too hung up on mfg names when it comes to PCs. what matters is the hardware inside
and that toshiba i posted for VEP would rock the best t400 that i found for $200 less
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
for most manufacturers I would agree,
but apple (and lenovo, I think) still design and engineer their own laptops—build quality is a real, valid concern, and in laptops it’s considerably more important than it is for desktops.
apple is different
(though they are trending in the opposite direction)
but as far as i can tell, the elite thinkpad is gonna have an intel processor, ati gpu, intel wnic, etc. i doubt most of the components are lenovo built
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
I'm not talking about the internals
I’m talking about the parts I touch, carry around, use to navigate and type, etc.
ah
i’m talking about the components vital to the operation of the computer. the most important part imo
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
they're important
but I’ve found, now that I don’t play anything except Baseball Mogul anymore, and now that computers are so much faster than they once were, that the differences between them are increasingly less important to me. On a laptop I’m more concerned with the keyboard/trackpad than I am the processor.
don't get a freakin' fujitsu siemens then
I bought one of those and letters started falling off the keyboard within less than a year.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Feb 11, 2010 5:57 AM EST up reply actions
oh man
and hdmi output
i wish i were in the market for a laptop. that thing is so much better than what i have and only $150 more than what i paid a year and a half ago
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
this post is totally in the wrong place
i imagine this is very confusing
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
For the vast majority of users, the hardware inside any laptop is pretty close to equivalent
If you’re getting a laptop, you’ve already decided that hardware isn’t your main priority. VEP might be a rare exception (obviously he’s planning on getting a new machine because his old one isn’t powerful enough), but most people’s computing needs just don’t warrant much more than what you can get inside a crappy $600 laptop.
There is no question, however, that the software is different. You can argue whether it’s a better OS or not, but there’s only one legal way to get OS X, and for a lot of people, that’s worth a lot (roughly the extra $200 or so you spend to get an equivalent Mac). VEP already uses a Mac, so he’s presumably familiar with that tradeoff.
For the record, while I like my MBP quite a bit, I only have it because a grant paid for it (thanks taxpayers!), and I won’t be buying a Mac next time around when it’s my money.
by brackenthebox on Feb 11, 2010 7:16 AM EST up reply actions
For the record, while I like my MBP quite a bit, I only have it because a grant paid for it (thanks taxpayers!)
I think I speak for my American friends here when I say “Lawn. Off.”
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Feb 11, 2010 8:03 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah
My computer right now takes 3 hours to run a pretty simple query (although it’s joining 5 tables with >2 million rows in some of them, so I can see why it might take that long). When I got it new, it was fast, but I have so much useless shit on it and have dropped it so much that it’s pretty much worthless now.
I definitely need a laptop though, so I’ll probably go for a macpro.
by vivaelpujols on Feb 11, 2010 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
Just don't let gdm hear about it if you do.
Actually maybe he just ended it all after dealing with his…
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
I'm just trying to protect
VEP from the deluge of bitching he’d open himself up to if he went with a Dell…
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
I won't stand for this slandering of gdm's name
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
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by mattyfrommo on Feb 11, 2010 12:30 AM EST up reply actions
It's not slander if it's true...
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
You people are being *'s
don’t make me hunt you down and kill you
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
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by mattyfrommo on Feb 11, 2010 12:46 AM EST up reply actions
You started it.
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
I thought we had a consensus here
everything is Cody’s fault
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
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More likely he would run himself down instead
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
if you're going mfg built
i’d try to stick to toshiba, asus or maybe sony
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Feb 11, 2010 12:26 AM EST up reply actions
the new macbook is pretty great, girlfriendup bought one when they came out
I love the new apple keyboards (though I’m stuck on the last macbook without one), and I could tell the difference in build quality between the new unibody macs and my own—it seems really solid. Aside from the OS (I’m a macintosh fan from way back) what sells me on apple’s laptops are the trackpads, which are so good I can’t use mice anymore. Lots of space, and the two-finger scrolling is the only way to read VEB flamewars.
That said, I don’t recommend macs to everybody, at least as a knee-jerk reflex. I find myself better able to get things done in OS X, but if you have no complaints with windows and are focused on something apple doesn’t do yet—blu-ray, bigger or smaller screens, gaming, etc.—the apple design/engineering/OS might not be worth the premium to you, whatever it is at this point.
DId they just copy Giambi's from Colo
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
4 HBP
I’m still amazed he’s going to manage to play 108 games as a DH for a NL club. Add to that the 4 HBP and you’ve got one hell of a season.
by WizardofOz1982 on Feb 11, 2010 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
There could be a conflict of interest if we draw that club in an interleague series...
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Feb 11, 2010 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
Kazuo Matsui had an Anal Fissure that made him miss TWO WEEKS in 08
that still makes me laugh
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
Nice capitalization there...
Way to draw attention to it.
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
"You have an anal fissure?"
“Yes, but he’s anal fishin’ at the moment…”
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Feb 11, 2010 5:59 AM EST up reply actions
Sounds like a Jeff Foxworthy joke.
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
Doesn't everyone have an anal fissure?
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
no
which is why so many are full of…
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I was going for the glacier sense, you went yellowstone I see what you did there
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
It was a serious situation
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.

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