St. Louis Cardinals Sign Lance Berkman To A One Year, $8 Million Deal
by DanUpBaby on Dec 4, 2010 6:44 PM EST
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I would have liked this move a little more in the Baseball Prospectus 2003 days, when defense was something we all laughed about while excoriating Derek Jeter, but I'm still excited: The Cardinals have signed Lance Berkman to a one year, $8 million deal to be their starting left fielder. Matt Holliday moves to right, Colby Rasmus moves ten or fifteen feet toward left field, and Dave Duncan's pitchers get ground-ball religion once and for all.
Berkman's knees could go at any moment; his left one bothered him last year, and he tore his right ACL prior to the 2005 season—at which point he was, you know, moved to first base. But he had a 140 OPS+ in 2009, and a 122 OPS+ before the Yankees traded for him and then forgot they had him. And it's Lance Berkman! The guy who hit 39 home runs with an OPS over 1000 in 154 games against the Cardinals!
On the field this seems like a risk worth taking; Berkman's only a year removed from being outstanding, and the Cardinals' previous corner option, the Allen Craig/Jon Jay platoon, is still around and still cheap if his knees give out. Jack Cust might have been cheaper, but without lowering their floor at the position the Cardinals have raised the ceiling significantly.
Off the field I just think it makes this team more fun to watch; Berkman could find himself on base a lot in front of Albert Pujols, to say the least, and his past as a Cardinals Killer who always remained vaguely likable in spite of it would make it all the more rewarding to see him contribute to a playoff team in 2011.
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Colby Rasmus moves ten or fifteen feet toward left field
Heh
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
by mysterui on Dec 4, 2010 6:48 PM EST reply actions 9 recs
Let me get this straight...
We have an outfielder playing second base, a second basemen playing shortstop, and a 1B/DH playing outfield… I say we sign Russel Martin to close and Cliff Lee to play 3rd then we’re set for the WS.
by white088 on Dec 4, 2010 6:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
who the fuck recs heh
You should be ashamed…..of mysterui’s face.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
by RiverRat on Dec 4, 2010 6:58 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
dayum boyeeee
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 4, 2010 8:03 PM EST up reply actions
Colby
He’s pretty fast. He can play both positions. Right?
by Notorious PSC on Dec 5, 2010 12:21 AM EST up reply actions
you're thinking of Brendan Ryan.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
in all seriousness
i have to wonder if colby’s UZR dipped at least in part because of the improved defenders around him from ’09 to ’10
there’s a lot of balls matt holliday caught last season that colby had to catch when he was playing next to duncan. it’ll be interesting to see how his numbers look after a season of playing next to berkman/craig
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this
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 5, 2010 1:34 AM EST up reply actions
Why the hell is this green?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
by mysterui on Dec 5, 2010 3:44 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I have no idea
early in the morning/too much caffeine?
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 5, 2010 3:47 AM EST up reply actions
I think they're makeup recs for everybody getting into a shitfight over my (re)tardiness comment
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
To be honest, I though the quote was really funny
But for some reason I thought to rec your quoting of it rather than the OP. Sorry Danup.
from strauss
Left fielder Matt Holliday has offered to move to right field, according to Mozeliak, but no decison has yet been made on the outfield alignment.
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I don't think there's any other option
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
I would rather have Berkman in right
Not really a difference in range between the two positions, and Berkman has played right before. Holliday might need an adjustment period, which would be stupid.
Oh. Like your face.
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
by mysterui on Dec 4, 2010 6:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
skip adjusted to 2B, how hard could it be?
/bad shtick
hey Mo: theriot at 2B, boog at SS.
KEEP BRENDAN RYAN.
I never really hear this mentioned, so it musn't be a big effect
but I would think left fielders see more balls in play over the course of a season. That’s obviously at odds with the general tendency to bury bad fielders in left. Any idea what the numbers are?
by brackenthebox on Dec 4, 2010 7:07 PM EST up reply actions
No, but that makes sense
It could also be that more of the balls in left field are of the routine variety, because you can better positional yourself for a pull hitter than an opposite field hitter? That’s not exactly the best logic, but it could explain it.
You need less arm at LF than RF?
Perhaps, I don’t know
I am sure the Walrus can play RF...
Boog for Starting Shortstop in 2011!
you make a lot more throws
RF to 3B than LF to 1B. so, yes
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+1, pj
It’s all about the arm. Ideally, you’d also like a left-hander in right and a right-hander in left, so when they dig a ball outta the corner they’re in a better position to throw. Which another reason Ludwick was such a great fit in RF.
I like Lance, but it does make the Ludwick deal a bit more confusing. I thought one of the main reasons we moved him (aside from needing SP) was to free up $ for a Pujols extension since Luddy was arb-eligible. Would Ludwick have commanded $8M or more in arb?
"Beckett’s retired 19 batters through Six and a third innings, he’s having a phenomonal night…" --Tim McCarver
I guess it would make more sense to have Berkman in RF if he has a better throwing arm than Holliday
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 4, 2010 8:04 PM EST up reply actions
yeah
I am doing some wishful thinking that there will be more preference given back to Ryan since left side defense becomes more of a question and offense becomes less of a question.. Too bad Ryan is in the doghouse.
if he's on the team
i think there’s a decent chance he could win his job back
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tony won't be able to resist
using all the pieces he has. he’ll get some sort of a shot
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Fact: Boog's days in the STL are over
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
I hope he's back, but I'm not holding my breath
Ryan-Theriot is better than Theriot-Schumaker.
by Daniel Berlyn on Dec 4, 2010 7:09 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, it's a no brainer but I think they like Schu more for whatever reason
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 4, 2010 8:06 PM EST up reply actions
2.7 million reasons.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
by tom s. on Dec 4, 2010 10:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If that's all it is, I'll see if I can cut the definition of sunk cost out of the glossary of my econ text and send it to Mo.
But I think it has more to do with Tony and grit.
Could Colby Rasmus hit a ball so hard that even he couldn't catch it?
by Cardinals645 on Dec 4, 2010 11:53 PM EST up reply actions
to be fair
i think the contract looked pretty okay leaving 2009 when he put up 2.3 and 1.5 WAR in consecutive seasons
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+1
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 4, 2010 8:05 PM EST up reply actions
unless he's going to fill in for pujols who can then rest more
what the hell do we need another outfielder for?
especially for 8 mil?
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
to make up for all the rbi singles we'll give out like candy
cause our middle infield sucks?
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
If a player causes us to score more runs than we give up, then our team is improved
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Well yeah, I assume we'll have to be a higher run scoring offense to compensate
Then again Holliday, Pujols, Berkman, Rasmus is about as good as it gets.
yeah
take a back seat, utley, howard, werth
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A healthy Freese, a better Yadi...
Oh, hope springs eternal in winter
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
I mean damn
We could very easily have 4 .380+ wOBA wOBA hiters in the lineup. That’s like Yankee level.
hell yeah
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 4, 2010 8:07 PM EST up reply actions
that's assuming colby actually plays
or batman plays a full year and is as good as this one
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
we actually had more .380+ wOBA players than the Yanks, LAST year
Brewers, Rockies and Cards were the only teams with 2.
Of course, .380 is an extremely arbitrary cutoff; if you drop it to .375, several other teams are in the club.
The Red Sox are looking like their gonna do something special next year
Especially if they sign Werth.
true
but teixeira and arod had surprising drops in production
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both were hurt, if healthy they'll bounce back big time
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
this is a pretty good deal, d-dee
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i don't mind the aquisition as much
but i mind the price
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
What does the price matter to you?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
That doesn't make any sense
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Teddy M.F. Roosevelt
CDGAFATROTNHA
While Spinning.
How much were yours? 34 dollars. You know you got a pay raise... right?
since it's only a 1 year deal, it shouldn't hurt the Pujols negotiations
If you extend Pujols, payroll is going to have to increase immediately anyway, with or without this deal. Also, if you’re DeWitt, paying the extra $8mil is probably worth it if you extend Pujols, as you’ve added an impact player to the team for this season, while also having Pujols in his prime. With our core and the addition of Berkman, you’ve got a great chance at making a run at the WS, if everyone stays healthy. I’d rather see the Cards spending extra on a “Berkman” this season, than waiting a few years when Pujols’ productivity begins to fade. They are wisely spending and making a run during Pujols’ prime. A 1 year deal fits perfectly in this scenario.
Padres' RFL for GG!
Is this a valid contract...
Or will Jon Jay rule it unconstitutional?
by bobohilario on Dec 4, 2010 6:58 PM EST reply actions 12 recs
Jon Jay wasn't on the Supreme Court
GAWD
by Notorious PSC on Dec 5, 2010 12:25 AM EST up reply actions
are you questioning the judicial branch of VEB
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Chief Justice of AMERICA
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Excuse me, but
You spelled Amurica wrong.
by Notorious PSC on Dec 5, 2010 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
All I want is
a little historical accuracy
by Notorious PSC on Dec 6, 2010 12:00 AM EST up reply actions
Via BJ Rains
Mozeliak on B Ryan’s status: “Too early to tell. I’m not literally shopping him but he’s certainly out there and we’ll listen to suitors.”
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
that sounds a little like backing off
I’ll take it
by DanUpBaby on Dec 4, 2010 7:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
FROM THE LEDGE. GROUND FLOOR, BRENDAN, GROUND FLOOR.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
fact:
Ryan’s days on the cardinals is done. gdm just said so.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
by Evilfrog on Dec 4, 2010 8:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i stand by that, TLR has shoved him out the door
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
Not a fact
Just something that could happen.
even without gdm's decree
the Cardinals have indicated that they’d like to move him. That said, one of Ryan or Greene seems likely to be on our 25man
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Dec 4, 2010 8:12 PM EST up reply actions
Wild Idea
Is there anywhere we can trade our expendables (Ryan, Craig, Jay) for anything good/relavant?
even if it's just a B prospect
of the MIF variety, i’d take it
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Did he get some bionic ankles that I hadn't heard about?
cuz right now I’d take as much back-up as I can get, unless you secretly liked having Feliz on our team.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 5, 2010 1:50 AM EST up reply actions
Reynolds said to be available
D-backs want two relievers… Give em that plus freese, jay and ryan and maybe they’ll give us Drew too?
that would put the payroll close to $120MM
and i’m not sure that reynolds is better than a healthy freese. i do have a hard on for drew, though
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120MM, but..
We’d be averaging like 3 homeruns a game and winning like 105 games. I feel like we’d make the extra 15 mil back
Jesus!
that leaves us with Craig as the defensive back up for Berkman.
Craig's probably average-ish in LF
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
but throws like a, non-good throwing person
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 4, 2010 8:09 PM EST up reply actions
Hence, putting him in LF minimizes the effect at least a little bit. Would you rather have him in RF?
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 5, 2010 1:56 AM EST up reply actions
nope, no Craig in right
I’m not sure where he should play except for second base
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 5, 2010 2:12 AM EST up reply actions
Man if Craig were to play second and we somehow kept Boog I would take that lineup card behind the schoolyard.
also in my dream world
/Lohse is better than 08
/Freese has a .400 BABIP
/Skip is DFA’d or traded for a prospect
I have little evidence Craig can play third base, so it's not much a leap of faith to think he can play second base
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 5, 2010 2:19 AM EST up reply actions
Well, Skip does....sorta.
That should answer that.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 5, 2010 2:29 AM EST up reply actions
He can adequately play any OF position - CF in particular is important
And might even have value as a defensive sub for Berkman. I’d keep him.
nah
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 5, 2010 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
Ryan and Jay/Craig for Brian Roberts and a bunch of cash...
open DeWallet!
Screw you, you freakin stats nerd
ryan is not fucking expendable.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
see sig
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 4, 2010 8:09 PM EST up reply actions
Take It Easy
I agree he isn’t, but he is to the front office, since we were willing to trade for a second basemen to take his spot.
Sometimes I think LaRussa is sharin his booze stash with Mo...
by white088 on Dec 4, 2010 9:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Take It Easy
I agree he isn’t, but he is to the front office, since we were willing to trade for a second basemen to take his spot.
Sometimes I think LaRussa is sharin his booze stash with Mo...
by white088 on Dec 4, 2010 9:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
puzzling
on any given day, the krispie is better bet to get a hit or rbi than jaig
but how many given days will he be actually able to play?
now i’m even more disappointed we lost joey
he’s a better defender than jaig and part of jaig is gong to be playing a lot
and not just late innings
so much for the build from within approach
now it looks like a good dose of craig, jay, ryan, descalso, etc will be in memphis, again while we watch skip try to play 2nd base
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
what?
so much for the build from within approach
because we signed a FA to a below market 1 year contract?
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come on
tell me its below market in september while krispie is on the dl, again
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
i'm totally confused
seriously
who in the world is krispie?
Fire John Mozeliak up a nice steak, or stake ( haven't decided)
I call him shankles
sometimes
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 4, 2010 8:10 PM EST up reply actions
this has not been certified memetic by the collective
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
yeah
think we should table that one until later. If it turns out he’s toast, it might work, but until then it seems like poor taste.
well, he can go on using it
(unless it is found to be in poor taste)…
‘e just can’t expect it to be an accepted meme if he’s the only one using it.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
poor taste?
i went to rice, we are all krispies
includes henley and luna
been around longer than veb
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
~where you go when you aren't accepted to UT~
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not really
UT is a pretty competitive school. top 10 school in my field (computer science)
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ranked 15 or 16 in law too
last time I checked. GWB didnt get into UT law, but got into Harvard business. I got into the LS but it was too expensive, no scholly. Too bad, loved the campus and town.
i didn't really know anything about it at the time
i had just moved to austin and applied to UT since it was there. texas state is an alright school. a lot better than it was and it’s continuing to get better, especially if they get into the whatever conference UT is in. i imagine my degree will appreciate quite a bit over the next decade or so
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Except when it was Southwest Texas State
Brendan Ryan is still a St. Louis Cardinal.
Aaron Miles is not.
we still talk about this
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I will never be able to date the same quality of hot girls
As I did in college. Now girls in Saint Louis, meh
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 4, 2010 10:15 PM EST up reply actions
we don't talk about that
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alright, now i'm craving rice krispie treats
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
goold tweet
cards going to shift craig back to 3rd in ST
hey Mo: theriot at 2B, boog at SS.
KEEP BRENDAN RYAN.
by zoomzoomj88 on Dec 4, 2010 7:07 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
lololol this team is fun today
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
by mysterui on Dec 4, 2010 7:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
like i said on twitter not too long ago
the cards have had an unusually active offseason so far.
hey Mo: theriot at 2B, boog at SS.
KEEP BRENDAN RYAN.
this is more of a backup plan/spot start thing id wager
than a everyday starting thing. id bet even if he makes a somewhat decent transition he still sees most his ABs PH or in the OF
At this point
I want as many big bats in the lineup as possible, defense be damned!
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Freese > Craig
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 4, 2010 8:12 PM EST up reply actions
maybe
but Craig’s bat has the higher ceiling. Considering D and bats, they’re probably pretty equal.
Padres' RFL for GG!
I'll believe the Craig hype when/if he starts playing or has some impressive performance
I know he had a great minor league career, but we are at a new point now.
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 4, 2010 8:37 PM EST up reply actions
I don't believe that
Freese has not shown any power
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 4, 2010 8:22 PM EST up reply actions
To fully evaluate Craig's bat at the major league level, he needs consistant opportunities.
Craig’s ABs in the majors have been sporadic. Had Craig been given the same opportunity that Freese was given before his injury, I think Craig’s stats look much different than they currently do. Craig’s power began to show up in September because he finally was given enough ABs to adjust to MLB pitching.
FREE ALLEN CRAIG!
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dude probably isn't much better than those two
but we’ll see. my guess is that he might not even be as good as Lopez at third.
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 4, 2010 8:12 PM EST up reply actions
head explodes
Fire John Mozeliak up a nice steak, or stake ( haven't decided)
by mattyfrommo on Dec 4, 2010 7:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Prediction:
Craig proves to be the worst third baseman in baseball and becomes one of La Russa’s favorite players.
Screw you, you freakin stats nerd
by guayzimi on Dec 4, 2010 7:10 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
as long as Dayton Moore is a GM
I won’t count out the possibility of a market for Skip
Fire John Mozeliak up a nice steak, or stake ( haven't decided)
or even Ed Wade
hey Ed, you know what would be a good way to get back at us for stealing away one of your all-time franchise players? Snag our grittiest, sexiest player. That would show us!
That approach is best addressed to Drayton McLane.
Wade probably doesn’t care because Keppinger did a good job impersonating a MLB 2B.
Brendan Ryan is still a St. Louis Cardinal.
Aaron Miles is not.
man, I wonder if the front office tweaked some dial
and defensive value became less heavily weighted across the board all the sudden.
by brackenthebox on Dec 4, 2010 7:12 PM EST up reply actions
roster matrix totals ???????$$$$$$$$$
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
They are switching philosophies.
All strikeouts, all the time.
Brendan Ryan is still a St. Louis Cardinal.
Aaron Miles is not.
If that were to happen
Boog would have to be our SS.
With the addition of Berkman’s bat and possibly having Craig’s bat more regularly in the lineup, that’s got to change their fear of Boogs poor offense hurting the team, doesn’t it? They are going to need his glove on that left side. Theriot/Skip, Berkman, Pujols, Holliday, Rasmus, Freese/Craig, Molina, Boog, pitcher – looks pretty awesome to me.
Padres' RFL for GG!
agreed
Theriot may have just heard what he wanted to hear…
I like a Skip and Theriot platoon.
You fit into me
like a hook into an eye
a fish hook
an open eye
that'd work
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 4, 2010 8:13 PM EST up reply actions
Do not like
I hope he can do it
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
very cool
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 4, 2010 8:10 PM EST up reply actions
so mozeliak's been reading veb...
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
mcgwire was on the fence
we just had to get rid of the punchonjudy hitters and fill the lineup with dingers to bring him back. I still don’t understand how we missed out on Dunn.
Just win
did you see Dunn's contract?
do you know how bad Dunn most assuredly is in the OF?
Fire John Mozeliak up a nice steak, or stake ( haven't decided)
is the defensive difference between
the big puma and dunn really that vast?
While Spinning.
How much were yours? 34 dollars. You know you got a pay raise... right?
Yea
Dunn was worth -3 wins two year in a row as an OF.
Maybe he could get closer to -2 wins on defense, but that, I think, represents his upside (defensively). That would probably Berkman’s downside. So I think there’s a full win’s difference between Dunn’s and Berkman’s defense at the MINIMUM.
Could Colby Rasmus hit a ball so hard that even he couldn't catch it?
by Cardinals645 on Dec 5, 2010 12:07 AM EST up reply actions
i hadn't seen punchinjudy for a long time till the other day
good to know he’s still around
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
what on earth would we do with dunn?
Berkman is probably a better OF than dunn. Dunn is also being way overpaid. He won’t be worth $56m, even playing first. I am quite happy we didn’t touch him.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
by tom s. on Dec 4, 2010 10:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
This a million times.
PD forumgoers will never let us live down the one time sabermetrics argued that dunn was underrated half a decade ago.
Enter vivaelpujols
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by hazel on Dec 5, 2010 12:33 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Seems crazy Dunn got 4 years, and over $50m, whilst Puma only got one year for a lower AAV
Dunn might be 3 years younger and Berkman did, admittedly, have a poor year in 2010, but there’s not a lot between them in terms of hitting and Berkman is surely a much better 1B. I wonder if Kenny Williams feels robbed…
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by Felonius_Monk on Dec 5, 2010 6:00 AM EST up reply actions
batshit!
I love it
cause why the hell not
I love this team
its like playing on Xbox
you got a hitter but no place to put him?
Fuck it, stick him anywhere defense doesnt matter
plus we have guys like Berkman, which I never ever thought would be on this team
I'd much rather him platoon with Berkman
His 2012+ future with the Cardinals projects more likely to be as an OF than a 3B, and a permanent platoon position would assure him more PAs than backing up a same-handed 3B. In addition to giving us the best side of Berkman, it also lets him rest (and DH, and rest Pujols).
8 million dollar bills?
Ridiculously stupid for a player who isn’t very good anymore. I wish we still had Ludwick to play right field, but we traded him for an average pitcher.
but ludwick was an average outfielder
that’s how trades are supposed to work
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he was not an average outfielder
as he got more playing time his defense improved a lot
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
He meant as an overall player, not just defense
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how many current outfielders ever won silver slugger
his resume seems above average
i agree his value may be average, but that is largely a function of age
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
luddy has been worth 2 WAR for two years running.
He’s not jayson werth 2.0.
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by tom s. on Dec 4, 2010 10:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
it was more surprising than anything
but it boosts our ballclub. unless you’d rather see guys like miles and stavinoha in our starting lineup…
hey Mo: theriot at 2B, boog at SS.
KEEP BRENDAN RYAN.
berkman's better than you remember him being
if this is your immediate reaction. the defense is a concern, but for a one year contract on a guy who had a 140 OPS+ in 2009 $8 million isn’t bad at all.
Way to be rational, Dan
Setting examples, and what not.
I really like this deal, but the defense part is a indeed a concern, considering he hasn’t played the OF since 2007, and has not played it for at least 50 games since 2005. Let’s hope it’s like riding a bike.
by lightbulb on Dec 4, 2010 7:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
wait this implies you think ludwick > berkman
that’s a head scratcher….
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
if you include defense
but Luddy is probably not going to be that amazing at offense anymore
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 4, 2010 8:15 PM EST up reply actions
that's debatable
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 5, 2010 2:35 AM EST up reply actions
he's been better than Ludwick in every year of his career
last year they were equal but Berkman had a BABIP 40 points below and Ludwick had a BABIP about 10…
he also did it in about 60 less plate appearances
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
they both had amazing 2009 seasons, amirite?
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 5, 2010 3:55 AM EST up reply actions
yeah
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 5, 2010 3:58 AM EST up reply actions
I think it's bedtime
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 5, 2010 3:59 AM EST up reply actions
Ballpark Village
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Ludwick had one year in his career when he was a +.900 OPS hitter
Berkman has had like 9 or 10.
Today’s signing makes me even happier with the Ludwick/Westbrook trade.
I expect Westbrook to be our 3rd best pitcher next year and Berkman to be our third best hitter.
Can’t wait to wear my Cards Berkman jersey to Minute Maid next year.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 4, 2010 8:13 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Can’t wait to wear my Cards Berkman jersey to Minute Maid next year.
Rec’d for schadenfreude
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my overly optimistic colby rasmus projections would like a word with you
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If Colby throws up a .385wOBA....
our lineup is going to be like….
Walker, Pujols, Edmonds, Rolen.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 4, 2010 9:19 PM EST up reply actions
Now the important question:
What number will he wear? ’Cause his old 17 belongs to one Jay Hanna “Dizzy” Dean.
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Actually....
2 me what makes this good is he’s a switchie power bat who has very good OB%; he’ll get 3 ABs and then get replaced by Jay. Good pick up for 1 year.
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since when is Berkman not very good at hitting?
him and Holliday are not that much different, except Holliday is a lot better at D
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 4, 2010 8:14 PM EST up reply actions
i think holliday is quite a bit better at this point
probably .015-.020 better
but your point is still valid
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Remember when this was supposed to be a relatively quiet offseason?
It’s going to be interesting to see what’s out on the field come April 1st
I think we're done with the big signings, for now
dgoold Derrick Goold
Mozeliak says lineup for 2011 is set after this move. #stlcards
I am sure the Walrus can play RF...
Boog for Starting Shortstop in 2011!
Wow, really?
My mind is blown. LANCE BERKMAN? COMING TO ST LOUIS? I’m absolutely speechless…
I'm not trolling, just being sarcastic.
what's the lineup look like now?
i can think of three possibilities in my head.
option a:
schumaker/theriot
berkman
pujols
holliday
rasmus
freese
molina
pitcher
schumaker/theriot
option b:
schumaker/theriot
rasmus
pujols
holliday
berkman
freese
molina
pitcher
schumaker/theriot
option c:
schumaker/theriot
freese
pujols
holliday
rasmus
berkman
molina
pitcher
schumaker/theriot
i think i like the third option the best.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 4, 2010 7:13 PM EST reply actions
can't go wrong with either of the three
all’s i know is we will have four straight All-Star caliber hitters in our lineup next year
/towel
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Freese's OBP is heavily BABIP dependent
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freese is the wild card
i can imagine him hitting in three different lineup slots. i just hope he’s healthy.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 4, 2010 7:17 PM EST up reply actions
Freese and Berkman
both could go down for the season every time they touch the ball
Sometimes I think LaRussa is sharin his booze stash with Mo...
Freese's ankles
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
sure they're not made of glass?
’cause they shatter easy
/bad joke
hey Mo: theriot at 2B, boog at SS.
KEEP BRENDAN RYAN.
whoosh
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
in other news, billionaire bruce wayne hard at work ...
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Last year
Also in like 280 plate appearances. I think it’s safe to say we don’t really know how good Freese is.
i agree.
which is why i could see him hitting in numerous different places. second or fifth if hitting well. sixth if hitting average. seventh or bench if sucking.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 4, 2010 7:27 PM EST up reply actions
I know how good Freese is.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 5, 2010 6:09 AM EST up reply actions
in bed
?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
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by Yadi2Second on Dec 5, 2010 7:50 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
WAFFLES?
Don’t you mean carrots?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
option d
Schumaker/Theriot
Holliday
Pujols
Rasmus
Berkman
Freese
Yadier
Theriot
Pitcher
(If we are going to have a non awful offensive shortstop, it’s better to have him hit eighth).
opening day lineup
(assuming we face rhp)
1. Schumaker 2b
2. Berkman lf
3. Pujols 1b
4. Holliday lf
5. Rasmus cf
6. Craig 3b
7. Molina c
8. Theriot ss
9. Wainwright p
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Dec 4, 2010 7:45 PM EST up reply actions
no way
i guarantee craig doesn’t start the year at third base.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 4, 2010 7:46 PM EST up reply actions
what if freese isn't ready?
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aaron miles.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 4, 2010 7:48 PM EST up reply actions
i'll wait until he's signed
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maybe their just going to play him there in ST to get him some reps in case
Freese goes down. With this signing, and the need for a back-up catcher (just use Anderson, Mo) they probably can’t spend on another IF for 3B insurance. Craig could be a temporary back-up for Freese if injured, or maybe to give Freese more days off and to give Craig the increase in ABs he deserves. I’m open to giving Craig a legit shot at 3rd, as I love the bat.
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There's a good point there.
Does this mean Anderson is Yadi’s backup?
Brendan Ryan is still a St. Louis Cardinal.
Aaron Miles is not.
i wouldn't mind the team giving the younger guys a chance
instead of the proven vetereneyness. maybe this is also a trade-off that tony was okay with
Fire John Mozeliak up a nice steak, or stake ( haven't decided)
My hopes...
1. Theriot
2. Berkman
3. Pujols
4. Holiday
5. Rasmus
6. Craig
7. Molina
8. Wainwright
9. Ryan
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this would be best
probably won’t see it though, argh
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 4, 2010 8:18 PM EST up reply actions
+1
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 4, 2010 8:47 PM EST up reply actions
berkman is there to catch them after they rebound off of matt
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by prophetjohn on Dec 5, 2010 12:43 AM EST up reply actions 9 recs
I'd have to have Berkman in the clean up slot
for several reasons.
a. Against right handers it gives us a lefty hitter between Albert and Holliday.
b. It relieves Holliday of the onus of “protecting” Albert.
c. It’s the only way he’ll produce enough runs to make up for his defense. You absolutely can’t bat a defender like that in the 2nd or 6th slot.
He'll still be providing runs, in the form of actual runs and not RBI.
If Berkman could log at least 130 games for us, he could potentially score 100 runs for us while batting ahead of Pujols. (just my guestimation and opinion). His value as a true table setter who also has some power, I think makes him a good fit there… if the old man only had some speed.
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batting order really doesn't matter very much
it’s who plays, not what order they bat in that’s important.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 4, 2010 8:26 PM EST up reply actions
It's important
It’s just most of the differences you see are due to random variation than anything else
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Yes
and the difference between #2 and #4 is pretty much nill.
I doubt it makes one iota of difference whether Berkman hits 2 or 4 against right-handed pitching, though I’m hoping he doesn’t play as much against lefties (and certainly not in front of Albert) as he’s not hit them well in recent years.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 5, 2010 6:12 AM EST up reply actions
A
duh
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 4, 2010 8:17 PM EST up reply actions
AWESam!
I would be fine with keeping everyone from here on out and seeing what develops. I like the depth.
Mo.
Good job now your done unless someone wants to throw a premium SS or 2B at us.
You fit into me
like a hook into an eye
a fish hook
an open eye
Trade Jay or Craig, now. Probably Craig.
Holly can hold down the spot until Pham claims it in 2012, then shift back.
I like it because it lets me see a lot of Berkman’s swing.
Craig has little to no trade value
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
I think Jay is a good fourth outfielder to have.
He doesn’t make much more than the minimum and you aren’t going to get that much in a trade for him.
by Daniel Berlyn on Dec 4, 2010 7:35 PM EST up reply actions
But you'll get more in a trade for him than Craig
And we can’t really have two fourth outfielders, especially when all of our starters are amazing.
And Jay has some good trade value I would think. He’s young, cheap and coming off of a very good debut season.
what do you think then about craig to third again?
i think it would clear up the multiple outfielders issue.
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by Shi on Dec 4, 2010 7:38 PM EST up reply actions
We kind of need Jay though
If Rasmus gets hurt, nobody else can play a legit CF
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schu could in a pinch
otherwise, not really. sugar shane, if he’s not still injured
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shane peterson
i’m talking about 5 foot 9 inches of fury shane robinson
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injured, wasn't he?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
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shoulder thing
i dunno if he still is, though
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yeah
he had a shit-at-baseball-fracture.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 5, 2010 6:13 AM EST up reply actions
that was un-called for.
Cardinals OF prospect Shane Robinson will undergo season-ending surgery for a dislocated left shoulder Thursday in St. Louis. Robinson was injured sliding into second base May 8.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
he started it.
By being shit at baseball.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 6, 2010 6:53 PM EST up reply actions
See below
I suppose Chambers is ready-ish, as stxcardsfan alluded to
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Defensively?
Probably about the same. Maybe a little worse?
http://www.futureredbirds.net/2010/11/18/to-better-know-a-prospect-adron-chambers/
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Nah, probably not
He’s actually been pretty consistent at each level of the minors
.280/.370/.375-ish
I think he could do that in the majors as well
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
No way he OBPs .370 in the majors
that’s like a 4-5 WAR player with competent CF defence.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 5, 2010 6:14 AM EST up reply actions
Adron Chambers
Should probably get a shot some time this year, and is a legit CF who’s probably ready enough to be an MLB backup right now.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 5, 2010 6:13 AM EST up reply actions
MO's not good at negotiating though
when other GM’s point out his production feel off the cliff in the second half of the season, he’ll panic & do something stupid like trade Colby for the ghost of ross barnes
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
And if we trade Jay
then he won’t steal any more ABs from Colby in CF. I hope moving Holliday to RF doesn’t mean Jay’s going to spend more time in center this year…
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by ICEYhawtSTUNNAZ on Dec 4, 2010 8:29 PM EST up reply actions
Quite the username you have there
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Thats me on the right
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by ICEYhawtSTUNNAZ on Dec 4, 2010 8:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
How did you guys get all your bling to sparkle at the time?
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by dan on Dec 4, 2010 8:43 PM EST up reply actions
If you have to ask
you’ll never know
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by dan on Dec 4, 2010 9:34 PM EST up reply actions
is that a young Rasmus in the middle?
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 4, 2010 8:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
And young Bobby Jenks on the left
We roll deep
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by ICEYhawtSTUNNAZ on Dec 4, 2010 8:50 PM EST up reply actions
White boyz in the barrio.
You're the fail to my win?
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 5, 2010 9:04 AM EST up reply actions
I didnt think this earlier, but now I say Trade Colby... I can see why him and old man TLR may have had issues.
“Young whipper snapper, you can’t swing a gold plated bat. Even if it was legal…No. Its not just because I’m old, its stupid and flashy.”
This
Is he saying Pham will take over right for Holliday in ’12. Cause I dont see that happening. At all
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by VolsnCards5 on Dec 4, 2010 9:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
he did have a better season with the bat,
but he still has a ways to go. I’m not sure he’ll ever make it to the majors. Hope he proves me wrong.
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berkman/pujols
what if — based on conversations thus far — the front office knows they can’t resign pujols and plans to trade him this winter, or mid-season, and they have actually signed berkman to play 1st base?
is that even possible?
what’s the free agent class for 1st Basemen look like at the end of 2011?
Signing a 35 year old to a 1 year contract doesn't scream "Albert is leaving"
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
besides, albert has insisted (and shown) that he wants to be a cardinal
for the rest of his career. if the cards were to deal albert, it would be devastating.
hey Mo: theriot at 2B, boog at SS.
KEEP BRENDAN RYAN.
i agree that it would be terrible
… but if he is actually going for “fair market value” STL may not be able to both afford him and field a competitive team.
everyone else and their brother is handing out 20 mill plus contracts lately
whats another 8 million on top of that?
just means we can’t sign the Lohses of the world or gamble on say a Brad Penny.
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a fish hook
an open eye
i hope he resigns.
despite the cost. i want to see him in a cardinals uniform. but if he’s decided he wants to win, make 30mil+ a year, and be on ESPN every night….
re-signs
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
right. of course.
early retirement is likely not on the table.
for the next 18 months...
everything may scream albert is leaving…. until he’s actually resigned.
Albert may leave or he might not leave
But this signing has nothing to do with that
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
this signing, by nature,
does not imply anything regarding albert pujols
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it could imply an insurance move based on poor resign talks thus far...
with the added bonus that we get berkman to hobble around in LF and walk to 1B in front of pujols if he does play in STL next year.
So you actually think that signing a 35 year old dude to a one year contract
implies that Albert Pujols will not be back in 2011?
I’m sorry dude but that makes literally zero sense. I can’t even justify thinking that
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Er...2012, I suppose
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
no, i don't think it actually implies that will be the case.
but, the front office may have a very bad feeling about being able to resign him and want options so they can pull the trigger on a trade on their terms.
if they can't resign him.....
and they are not going to let him walk for compensation picks…. then they are going to trade him. 3 options is all there is.
How is signing Lance Berkman an option?
He’s only on the team for one year
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
not an option for replacement.
but an option for someone to man 1B after the trade. assume we either trade for cost controlled 1B as part of a huge package…. ot sign a free agent next year.
He thinks Pujols will be traded during the season?
Even if Strauss is optimistic about a Pujols extension in the next six weeks.
Brendan Ryan is still a St. Louis Cardinal.
Aaron Miles is not.
In other news, Pujols ate Wheaties for breakfast, and therefore might be traded.
It’s barely even December man. This is WAY too early to be shitting ourselves at every imaginary sign that Pujols might be traded/not re-signed.
I move that we act like rational human beings regarding the Pujols contract until after the 2011 All-Star Game … then we can go crazy.
Could Colby Rasmus hit a ball so hard that even he couldn't catch it?
by Cardinals645 on Dec 5, 2010 12:27 AM EST up reply actions
Besides, both Boston and New York already have long term solutions at 1B now
Just who is going to be ponying up this prospect package for Pujols?
Could Colby Rasmus hit a ball so hard that even he couldn't catch it?
by Cardinals645 on Dec 5, 2010 12:28 AM EST up reply actions
Dodgers are tied up in the ownership divorce
They don’t have the dough, and I’m not 100% on whether they have the prospects.
Maybe the Angels, but it’s less clear that they could get that deal done than either of the AL East giants.
Could Colby Rasmus hit a ball so hard that even he couldn't catch it?
by Cardinals645 on Dec 5, 2010 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
i guess i'm the only one who really, really hates this move
coupled with the theriot trade it’s move evidence TLR is running the ship & not DeWitt & MO. it’s a classic overreaction move. you take away more good D & replace it with potentially a little better O. i say potentially because no matter how much weight Fat Elvis has lost he’s not the same guy that’s owned the Cards for the last decade. i dont care how good the Cards Dr’s say his knees are, we all know you trust those morans to treat our pets. was i the only one who saw him play the last couple years? he couldn’t even move at 1st, how the F is he supposed to play LF 150 times a year?
you dump Boog, you keep Skippy 2nd & add theriot at SS who are both playing out of position, Skippy rather badly. and you add an over the hill Fat Elvis who can’t move & can’t hit like he used to. plus now MO’s once again crying poor with the payroll & they haven’t even talked to Albert yet. pardon me for not drinking the Kool Aid boys & girls. this is not a good move, nothing MO’s done so far has been good.
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by gdm426 on Dec 4, 2010 7:31 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
...
you take away more good D & replace it with potentially a little better O.
What, c’mon? Berkman is one of the best hitters of all time (I’m not joking). The difference in offense between him and Jay/Craig is far greater than the difference in defense.
I don’t see how this moves reeks for TLR. Berkman is old yes, but he is neither scrappy or bad.
he's also almost 35 & has two very bad knees
you all need to understand he’s not the Berkman from the 2000’s. i really hope i’m wrong about him but i don’t see how this will work out. maybe it will & he’ll hit like he used to. i really hope he does.
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Last year, he was a well above average hitter
Despite a terrible BABIP. The year before he was an amazing hitter (with a still, below average BABIP). The year before that he was an MVP caliber hitter (finally, with a higher than average BABIP).
I mean, he’s obviously not the .420 OBP Berkman of yesteryear, but he’s still obviously a fantastic hitter.
i'd be in the HOF if i played in that amusement park too
Busch is a lot fairer park than the juice box. unless he becomes a big time pull hitter i don’t think he’ll be able to reproduce the numbers he did in the past
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adam everett disagrees with you
"I throw him four wide ones then try to pick him off first base." - Preacher Roe on Stan Musial
by Shi on Dec 4, 2010 7:46 PM EST up reply actions
i'm not saying he wasn't once a great hitter
of course he was, he hit very well on the road & i know that. i’m just saying he’s older & broken & there’s no way we should expect him to do what he once was able to do
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
yes, we can't expect an older player with worse knees to reproduce those #'s
he’s not Albert after all
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
i don't think it's that definitive VEP
but i do believe that Big Puma is going to be a very useful player, barring an injury that keeps him out of a substantial amount of games.
I do believe the rewards outweigh the risks in this situation.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
I think there little to no evidence
That Berkman has the inability to hit for a .385 wOBA (what he did in 09).
have you actually seen him play?
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
alright, we obvy saw two different guys then last year
i know the projections say he’ll still put up the big numbers, but the guy i saw last year in the Bronx couldn’t put up those numbers. i really hope i’m wrong
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
Berkman is not very far removed from being a top tier hitter
I like the upside of this move. if not, he probably still can get on base better than a lot of our guys, so if they bat him ahead of Albert he will be valuable just for that
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 4, 2010 8:25 PM EST up reply actions
I can understand the defensive concerns though
and having him in the outfield will increase the chance of injuring his knee.
but this makes the move even better: they can limit his playing time, since they have craig and jay.
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 4, 2010 8:25 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
I mean there is just no downside to this move, and the upside is incredibly.
The only problem is it’s a bit expensive, but I really doubt we would have used that 8 million elsewhere.
I like the move, but I think that's a little overstated
The possible downside is that he continues to play even if he’s not very good. I think it’s extremely unlikely, but that’s clearly what GDM is worried about.
As to the $8M, with even a modest return, that’s an extra $12-14M to tack on to the end of a deal for Pujols.
Again, I like the deal, but it’s not quite the zero-downside, zero-opportunity cost deal that it’s being made out as.
by brackenthebox on Dec 4, 2010 8:34 PM EST up reply actions
Well theoretically, if Berkman becomes truly bad, he will be replaced in the lineup
And the odds of him becoming worse than Jay/Craig are pretty low. I just don’t think that’s a valid concern.
But you have a point, I guess I’m just so taken aback by a good move from this team I don’t know how to think.
What about Brian Tallet as the new LOOGY?
Less than a mil!
"The Mollusk" makes me want to rail LSD crystals off my friends' sternum. Rage."
by ICEYhawtSTUNNAZ on Dec 4, 2010 8:40 PM EST up reply actions
It's hard to call that good or bad
I mean absolute best case scenario is he’s worth 1 WAR out of the pen, and we have like a 3 million dollar surplus.
That's true
I’m rosier on it though because I generally like low risk/high reward bullpen acquisitions, and I very much like seeing John Mozeliak personnel decisions that don’t make me pine for Walt Jocketty.
"The Mollusk" makes me want to rail LSD crystals off my friends' sternum. Rage."
by ICEYhawtSTUNNAZ on Dec 4, 2010 8:44 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, this free agent market kind of sucks
I’m not sure that we shouldn’t have went after Hudson instead, but Berkman is going to outhit just about anyone on the market and won’t cost a ton compared to what he is capable of producing
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 4, 2010 9:11 PM EST up reply actions
We weren't gonna get a hitter of his quality without giving up prospects
Not having to do that is another positive of this signing
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
yes
there is really very little downside unless he ends up like Penny
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 4, 2010 9:19 PM EST up reply actions
true.
he doesn’t lack the ability to do so. but i understand what gdm is getting at.
I still like this signing alot!
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
I like him a lot against righties still
but the dude has been junk against lefties the last two years, and I don’t think he gets back above say a .300 wOBA or so against them.
I just hope when Tony rolls his lineup dice, he lands on “bench Berkman for Craig against LHP” plenty of times.
Could Colby Rasmus hit a ball so hard that even he couldn't catch it?
by Cardinals645 on Dec 5, 2010 12:38 AM EST up reply actions
what fraction of total cardinals innings do you think berg
will play next year?
i like the guy, but i sincerely doubt he’ll play 70% of team innings
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
if he were the berkman of the 2000's, we couldn't afford him
and couldn’t get him for 1yr/8MM. This is a high upside, no downside move.
If I knew that Ryan would start at SS and Theriot and Skip would platoon at 2B, and given the Westbrook signing, MO would be getting an A- for his offseason grade.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 4, 2010 8:34 PM EST up reply actions
agreed
and, to be fair, he can’t really dictate how TLR uses his resources.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 5, 2010 6:23 AM EST up reply actions
I'd be happy with his 2009 numbers...
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Maybe this will keep Boog on the team...
if Craig and Berkman are on the left side you need a vacuum cleaner at SS to keep as many balls from shooting into that vortex of iffy Defense.
You fit into me
like a hook into an eye
a fish hook
an open eye
TLR will not allow Boog to stay on the team, he's gone
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
Shut up
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
as if you can tell the future?
been reading too much Strauss?
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 4, 2010 8:26 PM EST up reply actions
Mo said he's trading him, so he's all but gone
i know better than to listen to staussycorn
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
last I heard, Mozeliak said that he is available
but they are not actively shopping him out
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 4, 2010 9:12 PM EST up reply actions
i saw that now, i feel used & dirty
more so than usual
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
its true that berkman is old,
so that’s why i’d like to see us keep jay and craig both. good insurance, imo. plus, we can rest berkman often, and even albert and have berkman play first on such days. i’m a big fan of the move.
"I throw him four wide ones then try to pick him off first base." - Preacher Roe on Stan Musial
by Shi on Dec 4, 2010 7:37 PM EST up reply actions
TLR will never sit him for Jay or Craig
he’ll run him into the ground just like he did with Larry Walker
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
i dunno about that,
but it would be wise of course.
"I throw him four wide ones then try to pick him off first base." - Preacher Roe on Stan Musial
by Shi on Dec 4, 2010 7:47 PM EST up reply actions
TLR is too old, stubborn & set in his ways to be wise
unless he goes under a lobotomy between now & the season, that’s what’s going to happen. he couldn’t tell Walker wasn’t the same guy he was when he was younger so i don’t see why we should expect him to do any different with Berkman
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
i hear spants can do other things with those knives
c’mon spants, you can do a lobotomy?
Fire John Mozeliak up a nice steak, or stake ( haven't decided)
i thought that was ice pick
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
he'd sit his wife for Miles if he could
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
in TLR's mind he's more Velveteen Rabbit
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
wat
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 4, 2010 8:22 PM EST up reply actions
He's also home to two of the best nicknames in sports
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
by mysterui on Dec 4, 2010 7:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
will the GOB hate us for calling him fat elvis for all these years?
hey Mo: theriot at 2B, boog at SS.
KEEP BRENDAN RYAN.
What?
I’m pretty sure his teammates came up with that in Houston
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
I think that's why he invented The Big Puma.
Brendan Ryan is still a St. Louis Cardinal.
Aaron Miles is not.
Holy crap!
The part of me that likes dingerz likes this signing. The part of me that doesn’t like the Cardinals signing players past their primes, recovering injuries is a bit weary of it. The part of me that watched Big Puma crush us for the part of a decade, really likes it. Part of me is afraid that this might end up like the Penny situation (awesome start, injury for the better part of the year).
The offense has improved quite a bit. The defense may be hurt quite a bit. The Nicknames Above Replacement has increased exponentially.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
I don't know about NAR
if this move means Jay is off. We lose a lot of NAR with Jay but gain it back with Berkman. So NAR would be unaffected. If Jay does stay on the 25 men roster, our NAR might be the best in the league
I am sure the Walrus can play RF...
Boog for Starting Shortstop in 2011!
if Jay is done with the team
then NAR would take a hit. But we shall see if Jay is gone.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Ahem...
“We looked at all our options. We felt like the deal we made earlier in the week [for Los Angeles Dodgers middle infield Ryan Theriot] brings some new energy to the club. Lance’s talent, his character and what he brings to club makes us a better team and changes the makeup of the clubhouse. It’s a big add.”
Quote from Mo. He says middle infield not starting SS.
You fit into me
like a hook into an eye
a fish hook
an open eye
it's in brackets
that’s added in by the author
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Runs!!!!!
What a shockingly delightful turn of events this signing is!
by Hardcore Legend on Dec 4, 2010 7:51 PM EST via mobile reply actions
HE'S ALIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
WOOOOO!!!
offense!!!
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 4, 2010 8:34 PM EST up reply actions
Whether you like this deal or don't
at least it’s not Bronson Arroyo for 3 years at $35million.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
and this has been a toasty stove this year.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
or Jeter's 3 yr/$51million
Your 2011 St. Louis Cardinals: Rasmus 8, Jay/Craig 9, Pujols 3, Holliday 7, M Carpenter 5, Molina 2, Theriot 4, Ryan 6, pitcher
Ok...I'm now tired of Cam Newton.
Also, Gene Chizik must love not being in Austin right now.
Brendan Ryan is still a St. Louis Cardinal.
Aaron Miles is not.
Auburn vs Oregon is going to be so much fucking fun
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
So Oregon is
guaranteed their first national title?
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
Really Cam?
Confetti Angels on the field?
Brendan Ryan is still a St. Louis Cardinal.
Aaron Miles is not.
So let's say they can't sign Albert Pujols
Not because I don’t think they will but because I like these kind of thought experiments and I’m a little sick in the head. Since the Yankees and Red Sox are out of the running as trade partners, who do we got left? Angels, Dodgers, Mets? I could get on board with a trade for the Angels. Does a package of Mike Trout, Jean Segura, plus sound like fair value? A year from now are outfield could be Holliday, Trout, Rasmus. I think that’s a hell of a core to build around plus leaves money to extend Rasmus and add another piece. This year, we can move Berkman to first and go back to the platoon in right that we started with. Our offense will blow but it frees up $16 mil to give Crawford or Werth a look.
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He'd be like a three win....
upgrade over Morales. Trading Trout for three wins would be rediculous. Maybe if they were assured of an extension, but why would Pujols agree to such a thing?
Screw you, you freakin stats nerd
Well they could put Morales at DH
Who do they have there, Juan Rivera? Pujols would be like an 8 win upgrade over him.
Maybe Pujols would agree to it because he doesn't have many options?
The real big players are out of the running already (NYY, Boston, Philly) and not too many teams can afford to pay him. So if someone is willing to give up prospects for him, then that team is obviously going to buck up the money to make sure he stays with him. It’s probably the only place where he is going to get paid like he wants.
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I don't think he'll run out of suitors...
LAA, LAD, NYM, DET, ATL, CHC, CWS, and even BOS could make a run at him. Let Ortiz walk and rotate Pujols and Gonzo between DH and 1B
Screw you, you freakin stats nerd
the Angels are the team i really thing most likely to get him if he leaves
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
i can't see him going to the mets, i just can't
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
If he were to go to CHC, I would start cutting people at random
No one moreso than myself
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 4, 2010 9:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I don't think many of those teams would be in play.
The Dodgers and the Cubs have money problems. Detroit has Miggy and now Martinez for the DH/1B spot. The Mets have a cheap option in Ike Davis. The White Sox have Dunn and possibly Konerko. That leaves LAA and Boston and I don’t see Pujols signing on to spend half the time at DH.
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I'd imagine Ike Davis would be part of the return for Pujols
Then again, I could see the new management in Flushing wanting to keep Davis rather than trade him for Pujols.
Could Colby Rasmus hit a ball so hard that even he couldn't catch it?
by Cardinals645 on Dec 5, 2010 12:44 AM EST up reply actions
Red Sox just traded 3 of their top prospects for a rental
It’s obviously contingent on if they could negotiate an extension with Pujols. Granted none of the prospects is on the same level as Trout but Gonzalez is not on the same level as Pujols.
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Those three prospects kind of suck...
I mean, they’re ok… Worse than Wallace, Mortenson, Peterson. Trout is the best prospect in baseball.
Screw you, you freakin stats nerd
The Pad's haul was far better than Wallace, Mort Peterson
Peterson is basically worthless. Mortensen is a possible 5th starter, not much more. Wallace isn’t as good as either of the two best pieces the Pads got (Kelly, who is a potential #2 or 3 starter, and arguably Rizzo, who is a similar prospect to Wallace, first base incarnation).
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 5, 2010 6:29 AM EST up reply actions
Ok, let's play this.
My cousin today (die-hard Yankee) guaranteed me that if the Yankees don’t sign Lee and Pettite retires, they will trade for Carpenter. I laughed. But, what do you think? Cano for Carp, stat!
I am sure the Walrus can play RF...
Boog for Starting Shortstop in 2011!
I would like to take one of those young pitching prospects off their hands
Betances maybe
Fire John Mozeliak
We've beaten this subject to death in another fanpost
For what its worth, I think that the Yanks would be pretty desperate if they get neither Lee, nor Pettite. But I dont think I’d go for Cano.
Nick Swisher and a young arm
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
unless i'm missing something
seems like a super duper thank ya Cashman insta-trade
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Dec 5, 2010 1:41 AM EST up reply actions
and then I just plan on being an offensive juggernaut
and hope our fifth starter can hold the opposition to less than the dozen runs a game this lineup will pop off.
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Dec 5, 2010 1:42 AM EST up reply actions
i would trade carp+ for cano in a heartbeat
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twatter
i would think Trout for Pujols straight up
And then sign Pujols out of free agency
Fire John Mozeliak
I would trade Pujols for Trout in a heartbeat.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 5, 2010 6:26 AM EST up reply actions
Lance Berkman signed with STL for this reason:
-Hitting in front of Albert is the best spot in baseball. No doubt.
-If Berkman signed any deal longer than 1 year, he wouldn’t have made that much
-He got a 1 year deal, so hitting in front of Albert will beef the stats
-He hits free agency at the end of the year, and gets more money because of those beefed stats
You should be a conspiracy theorist.
I am sure the Walrus can play RF...
Boog for Starting Shortstop in 2011!
"The Pujols effect" is almost certainly a false assumption
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Joe Morgan would like to have a word with you.
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
Depends on what's being assumed.
It may not boost his hitting ability, but it will definitely boost his run production (the counting stat kind).
Surely there are still GMs out there who will pay top dollar for a guy who scored 120 runs, right?
Could Colby Rasmus hit a ball so hard that even he couldn't catch it?
by Cardinals645 on Dec 5, 2010 12:48 AM EST up reply actions
If hitting in front of Pujols is so great...
why do our #2 hitters perpetually suck?
Screw you, you freakin stats nerd
It's a logical fallacy
The theory behind batting a player in front of Pujols is that they don’t want to walk anybody to get to Pujols, letting him hit with men on base. Therefore, the pitcher is required to throw the #2 hitter more strikes, and he’ll get more hits, which puts more players on base for Pujols
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
while i don't exactly agree with cardsfan1's concept
maybe our #2 hitters usually suck because tony doesn’t put the most logical players in that spot in the order
Fire John Mozeliak up a nice steak, or stake ( haven't decided)
Because he's repeatedly stated how much he hates DHing and that he wants to play OF?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
oh great now we have a cardsfan 1....
i really should have been more original with my screename
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
I love Goold
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We now interrupt this #Cardinals discussion re: Berkman, to bring you latest from the MMA fight. I’m told this is a “side mount.” #stlcards
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1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
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he's the guy who's not alberich
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
so now we're signing important former pieces from our rivals?
what’s next, trading for Scott Role— oh wait.
Save Colby Boog
LOL WUT
Enter vivaelpujols
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by hazel on Dec 4, 2010 8:46 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
J.Mo quote
"When you look at what we were trying to accomplish this offseason, one of the things we wanted to touch on was our offense. We didn’t know exactly we would be able to address it. We were focusing on the middle infield but as the winter has worn on, we realized that maybe the best way to address this would be looking at right-field and giving a hard look at Lance Berkman."
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Seems like a very considered quote from Mo
This day (combined with the other ridiculous contracts being given out this year) has greatly improved my confidence in Mo.
not to take undue credit
but I don’t think it’s a coincidence that this is happening the same day I return to VEB.
And now, a self-aggrandizing link.
by brackenthebox on Dec 4, 2010 8:57 PM EST up reply actions
how many home runs did Ludwick drive in, again?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
no, really, I want to know
and I also want to know what we would have paid Ryan Ludwick if he’d stayed.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Luddy also failed spectacularly,
and I think it’s pretty obvious taht he was due for some regression from his high pre-trade value.
Enter vivaelpujols
My great wit allows me to interject that by assuming the partakers of this conversation are inbedded and perhaps romantically entangled, rather than indeed, the truthful observation that they are both platonic and standing upright. Great comedy may be produced!! -Aranathor
the last line in that store sticks out to me
along with the last paragraph on the motherships site
Mozeliak said the Cards are “pretty much a set club” at this point, though they’ll continue to explore trade possibilities involving Brendan Ryan, who lost his starting shortstop job to Theriot. Mozeliak said there has been interest in Ryan that is worth exploring.
Mozeliak said interest in shortstop Brendan Ryan was high and they would listen to trade offers for him at the Winter Meetings, but also said he could see a scenario in which Ryan returns to the club as a utility player next season.
why is he leaving the door open for Boog to be back when TLR has done everything he can short of putting a body in Boog’s trunk to run him out of town? don’t freaking get my hopes up MO. that’s not even funny dude.
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
I dunno
boog as utility player is a pretty intriguing scenario, given their propensity for starting skip at second base. hopefully they won’t be stubborn about letting him languor at the keystone when there are better options to the team. but you are right, this hasn’t stopped them from making the wrong roster decisions in the past.
I see this as a pretty level-headed quote… if someone wants to give us something of value for boog, maybe that should happen. still doesn’t make the theriot acquisition a good idea, but maybe Mozeliak is playing TLR a little bit here, and ends up keeping boog on the roster.
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 4, 2010 9:22 PM EST up reply actions
it's very aggravating for me to read that after he said he was trading him earlier
it’s like he’s got TLR pulling some strings & someone a lot more rational pulling some other ones
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
I think people like to make him out as being dumb
but that’s probably going to help him in the future. I really think he is doing a pretty good job considering who he has to work with. i.e. there are more egos to deal with in this organization than just about any other.
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 4, 2010 9:34 PM EST up reply actions
i would not like to be the GM of a team that gives so much power to TLR
it totally handcuffs the GM & doesn’t allow him to do his job the way he needs to do it
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
I'm sure it is extremely aggravating
he’s also juggling situations with the Pujols signing, DeWitt, and whatever insane rumors are floating around, public opinion, etc.
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 4, 2010 9:45 PM EST up reply actions
what he needs is a slice of pizza
that is tailored to his exact specifications, of course.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
you're assuming again, gdm
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twatter
i'm a master of making an ass out of myself
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
as long as you're aware
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
how could i not be? i'm not that big of a moran
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
that's what i was afraid of
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
Theriot is
the worst we ever did, Nunbers available, And aging Burkman slays me too,
by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Dec 5, 2010 12:53 AM EST up reply actions
He's certainly being creative
Props for thinking outside the box
"The Mollusk" makes me want to rail LSD crystals off my friends' sternum. Rage."
Defense
So we have awful defenders in LF, SS, 2B.
Averge defenders at 3B and CF
Above average in RF, 1B, C…
Ugh
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by Zubin on Dec 4, 2010 8:57 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Theriot is not awful at SS
We do not know how bad Fat Elvis is going to be
Freese, if healthy, is above average
We do not know how good Holliday would be in right
The drop in defense is okay if the offense we receive is greater.
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
we have awful defenders at SS?
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
Theriot isn't awful, just kinda bad
And Boog should, god willing, still get some playing time at the position if he is a utility player.
He was awful last year, but pretty good any other year (by UZR/150), and still positive lifetime.
I think he’s got a more than fair shot at being a decent defender next year.
Could Colby Rasmus hit a ball so hard that even he couldn't catch it?
HA
You think Colby is an average centerfielder
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 4, 2010 10:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Colby Rasmus
Best Centrefielder in MLB in 2010.
let me say that again: Colby Rasmus, best Centre Fielder in Major League Baseball in 2010… aaaaaahhhh thats good.
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Forsooth and Verily
he was talking about defense
Colby wasn’t the best defensive CF in 2010. if you average is 2009 and 2010 defense, he’s probably just above average
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 4, 2010 10:11 PM EST up reply actions
i know, i just like saying it
best centrefielder….
You can't spell 'Inebriated' without 'Aranathor'
Forsooth and Verily
he is quite good
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 4, 2010 10:15 PM EST up reply actions
i honestly think its hard to make a judgement until we see him in 2011
cause the two seasons are so wildly different
You can't spell 'Inebriated' without 'Aranathor'
Forsooth and Verily
yes
plus after 2011 we can judge him on the 3 year UZR scale!
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 4, 2010 10:16 PM EST up reply actions
here in 'Merica we spell it centerfield
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
you also spell fibre as 'fiber' and favourite as 'favorite'
and you do dates backwards.
You can't spell 'Inebriated' without 'Aranathor'
Forsooth and Verily
There used to be an old cereal commercial with Harvey Corman and Tim Conway for Fruit &Fibre.
Conway kept pronouncing it Fruit&Feebray, that still cracks me up.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 5, 2010 9:08 AM EST up reply actions
Who is playing CF?
Is it not Colby Rasmus?
"The Mollusk" makes me want to rail LSD crystals off my friends' sternum. Rage."
meant to reply
whoops
"The Mollusk" makes me want to rail LSD crystals off my friends' sternum. Rage."
by ICEYhawtSTUNNAZ on Dec 4, 2010 8:59 PM EST up reply actions
Thumbs up!!
As long as Berkman can stay healthy (130-145 games) then this is a big key to make the Cards 2011 line-up a serious force in the NL. I really hope his knees will hold up. I bet Tony will make sure not to over extend him too much. I can see him getting at least 2 nights off a week with Jay filling in on those nights.
Boy a frosty cold Budweiser would be great about now"…long pause…then an "aahhh". --Mike Shannon
you think he respects krispie's knees
more than yadi’s?
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
Craig would fill in, not Jay, methinks
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
I think Jay might set the record for most Pinch Fielding appearances in a season.
Brendan Ryan is still a St. Louis Cardinal.
Aaron Miles is not.
Good point made from FanGraphs
Another point in Berkman’s defensive favor is his teammates. No team can truly hide an outfielder, but the Cardinals are the best equipped to marginalize outfield defense. St. Louis’ collection of outfielders saw the third fewest balls in zone last season and the second fewest in 2009 thanks to groundball heavy staffs. Berkman will still be required to field a good number of balls, but with any luck his defensive value will be minimized by good pitching and overshadowed by good hitting.
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/berkman-joins-the-cardinals/
good point
didn’t think of that… more reason to play boog though
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 4, 2010 9:14 PM EST up reply actions
It's a win-now-but-doesnt-negatively-affect-the-future approach
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
yes, that's called a win-period approach
by brackenthebox on Dec 4, 2010 9:06 PM EST up reply actions
Am I hallucinating?
My knee-jerk reaction is that this is a completely illogical move – a classic case of buying high on a player past his prime. That said, Fat Elvis can be as deadly a hitter as any in the game when he’s healthy. I hope like hell that this guy is in tip-top shape when the season starts.
How are we buying high?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Yeah
He’s coming off the worst season of his career with a .280 BABIP, this is the definition of buying low.
Well yeah... we also didn't pay him a whole lot
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Aubrey Huff and Adam Dunn
Both got a lot more money and Berkman is projected to have the best hitting line of the three. Woot.
Enter vivaelpujols
My great wit allows me to interject that by assuming the partakers of this conversation are inbedded and perhaps romantically entangled, rather than indeed, the truthful observation that they are both platonic and standing upright. Great comedy may be produced!! -Aranathor
by hazel on Dec 5, 2010 12:45 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
mo did a bunch of shrooms. he tried to trade chris carpenter
For a table lamp, just before he signed berkman.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
by tom s. on Dec 5, 2010 2:00 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
hey if this is mo on shrooms
he should be on shrooms all the fucking time
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
To be fair,
it was a lava lamp. Those things are hypnotic on hallucinogens, or so I’ve been told.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I thikn he might have came cheaper than Uribe
and for only one year
if he goes off it helps
if he fails, well we still have what we would have had in the of anyway and hes gone next year
I am so happy with this deal
I know Berkman had a down year last year, but its Fracking LANCE BERKMAN!
The Redbirds are of the highest priority to me... As it should be
NOW
Go sign that extension for PhatAlbert
The Redbirds are of the highest priority to me... As it should be
can't say management isn't trying to compete
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
but keep it in your pants
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
how do *you* know he doesn't have pants?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
i just assumed no one on the internets wore pants
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
how's London tonight?
the girls i follow on the twitters say you all have a lot of snow
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
so does that mean London is paralyzed?
I have heard they are helpless vs. snow.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
that is a malicious rumor
tabloids like to make it sound like we’re rubbish. in reality nothing really changes. unless its REALLY bad, like last year when the roads were so frozen that cars literally couldnt move.
You can't spell 'Inebriated' without 'Aranathor'
Forsooth and Verily
yeah, that's when I heard it
I don’t know if my London friends were taking the piss or not, but they almost all got off work
it didn’t seem that bad to me…
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
oh yeah, its easy to get off work or school or whatever
and some people will do so. but if people need to be somewhere, or even if they feel compelled to (because we’re british and we’re awful liars) they’ll get there
You can't spell 'Inebriated' without 'Aranathor'
Forsooth and Verily
I wish i was in london... or anywhere with snow
Currently in liverpool. Where there has been less than 1/2 an inch of snow. also it rained today and washed the rest of it away. sucks.
Everywhere else in the country has a ton of the stuff.
You can't spell 'Inebriated' without 'Aranathor'
Forsooth and Verily
i would think liverpool would get more snow
it’s such a small island you’d think if it was snowing in the south it’d be snowing up north
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
apparently there is rarely any snow here
to which my response was WTF?
You can't spell 'Inebriated' without 'Aranathor'
Forsooth and Verily
Isn't it like 4 in the morning over there?
by peppermartin on Dec 4, 2010 10:46 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, so?
http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2010/11/20/1825796/you-are-the-weakest-link-goodbye#52502140
heh heh
You can't spell 'Inebriated' without 'Aranathor'
Forsooth and Verily
also, i apologise for linking back to that thread
…again
You can't spell 'Inebriated' without 'Aranathor'
Forsooth and Verily
nothing, just that my hat goes off to you
I haven’t been able to hang like that since back in the day
by peppermartin on Dec 4, 2010 10:51 PM EST up reply actions
ta,
i’m waiting for Kevin Pieterson to get 200, or get out.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cricket/england/9257778.stm
You can't spell 'Inebriated' without 'Aranathor'
Forsooth and Verily
he's like 19, it's currently his back in the day
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
When you put it like that
it makes me think that i’m going to be looking back on VEB when i’m like 40…. wierd. Thank god i’m not gonna have children.
You can't spell 'Inebriated' without 'Aranathor'
Forsooth and Verily
A question
is there still a bar off the Piazza called the Roadhouse? I used to have a great time there.
by peppermartin on Dec 4, 2010 11:01 PM EST up reply actions
not that i know of.
might be on the otherside of the river though, never been there.
You can't spell 'Inebriated' without 'Aranathor'
Forsooth and Verily
enjoy your youth & your knees
you’ll miss them both when they’re gone
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
are you insinuating that i'm going to lose my legs in a horrible accident?
Probably involving sharks, the KGB, time travel and Nazis?
You can't spell 'Inebriated' without 'Aranathor'
Forsooth and Verily
and badgers.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
mushroom.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
apu will decide if jmo signs him
bdw will give mo a limit nd if tis ok with apu, then jmo looks good
if not, he doesn’t
not much jmo can do about it when this kind of budget busting money is involved
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
At what price?
I need to send a fanpost. AP WAR vs $ vs other WAR$ Berkman is a waste at +$3m/WAR
by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Dec 5, 2010 12:39 AM EST up reply actions
it's lance f. berkman
you expect him to sign for $1MM plus incentives?
we’re lucky he didn’t spring for like 3/30
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
who would have done that?
if it was anyone real,he’d be there
at 35, he is not signing for 8 mil because rather have that than 3/30
3/30 isn’t out there
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
i was exaggerating both ends
lance berkman should not be expected so sign for $8MM for one year. maybe he’ll be terrible, but he’s among the best hitters of the last decade coming off pretty much the first average season of his career.
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
Uh... yes it is
We’re paying him like a 1.6 WAR player when he’s never been below 2 IN HIS ENTIRE CAREER
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
I'm not your dude, pal
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
you're mother said that last night too
of course she changed her mind, everyone has a price
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
by gdm426 on Dec 4, 2010 9:16 PM EST up reply actions 8 recs
And it's usually one that you can't afford
BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURN
by vivaelpujols on Dec 4, 2010 9:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
you'd be surprised what a slab of bacon can buy
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
by gdm426 on Dec 4, 2010 9:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
see bacon paradise on the travel channel last night?
classic
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
i saw it when it aired a few nights ago
i ran out of towels
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
get a room, you two
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
almost everyone's welcome to the basement anytime
all that’s required is you must bring some of the B’s
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
bacon, bourbon, and burnsauce?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
someone ate them all
it’s all this mulling….
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Lance Berkman
that is all
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 4, 2010 9:15 PM EST up reply actions
straussicorn says
the contract is “high end”
so it must be so
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
You guys are so funny.
So, seriously, anything happen today?
Too stupid and sissy-like to say that you want out.
You make the eyes of a million girls and think you'll make them shout.
The Padres are going to suck something awful...
next year. Why bother with Luddy at $8 million? Just go to full blown rebuild
Screw you, you freakin stats nerd
Yea that part of the A-Gone deal didn't make sense to me; why would they have bothered with Ludwick if this was the plan?
Insurance in case they didn’t get an offer they liked, I guess.
Could Colby Rasmus hit a ball so hard that even he couldn't catch it?
they were in win-now mode
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
Hey - I'm as excited as anyone about this deal
I just still have visions of Lohse and Penny dancing in my head.
wasn't klohse's first year <$8 million?
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
Yeah, but I assume he was talkign about the ill advised extension
by vivaelpujols on Dec 4, 2010 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
Yea, the first contract worked out pretty well, as I recall.
Could Colby Rasmus hit a ball so hard that even he couldn't catch it?
The Penny signing was pretty good at the time as well
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
that was a great signing
except Penny was a wuss
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 4, 2010 9:17 PM EST up reply actions
no, no, no
Penny’s fiancee is the one who dances
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Well, I gotta say, this was a big surprise
time for a glass of wine I think
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 4, 2010 9:15 PM EST reply actions
wine?
i don’t even know who you are, anymore!
Fire John Mozeliak up a nice steak, or stake ( haven't decided)
I ran out of beer
but will escape the house for beer at the bar round 10pm
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 4, 2010 9:26 PM EST up reply actions
omg there are so many
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 4, 2010 9:32 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed
Always have a thrown down bottle.
Brendan Ryan is still a St. Louis Cardinal.
Aaron Miles is not.
I've been keeping a bottle of Buffalo Trace around lately
except I gave the last of it to my mother at thanksgiving. and it is much cheaper out there, so I’ll wait til xmas
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 4, 2010 9:46 PM EST up reply actions
Must...resist...to..drink
Paper that counts for 100% of my grade due on Wednesday, Exam that’s 100% of my grade on Friday. But it is only Saturday….hmmmm
I defend my thesis on Tuesday, and I still had a drink tonight
you’re good to have one
Padres' RFL for GG!
Just bought a bunch of wine from Wine Insiders online
Hopefully it is pretty good
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 4, 2010 10:13 PM EST up reply actions
time
for some Yukon Jack, a superior Jack. berkman veteran deal to me sucks. Expensive retread. When are we going for upside guys?
by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Dec 5, 2010 12:44 AM EST up reply actions
this picture is hilarious
seriously i can’t stop laughing
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
dorks, Goold isn't much better
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
Kinda looks like Mo just farted, and everyone heard him.
Could Colby Rasmus hit a ball so hard that even he couldn't catch it?
I find it shocking the reaction from elsewhere on the internet is so mixed
“This doesn’t make any sense, Berkman can’t play left field!”
Have some imagination people.
It doesn't seem "mixed" to me
Pretty much solely what you just put in quotes there!
That's the other glaring issue
the man is the defensive equivalent to Chris Duncan. He’s 35. He should be a DH.
First, a suggestion: If you hit "reply" to whatever post you're referring to, it's much easier for us to understand what you're talking to
Secondly, he probably won’t be much better than Chris Duncan in LF. He will assuredly hit better than Chris Duncan in LF.
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
he might be worse than Chris Duncan in LF
but what we needed most for the team was a high on base percentage hitter, and we got him
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 4, 2010 9:31 PM EST up reply actions
with mysterui's mom?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
My mother is a beautiful, college-educated lady
How DARE you talk about her like that?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
are you saying peppermartin's not good enough?
I’m so confused
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
How dare you suggest that she would engage in extra-marital sex
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
oh, so it wasn't your mom
maybe I should’ve said ‘in bed’
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
oh yeah
I’ll bet she got “educated” a lot in college
by mattyp on Dec 4, 2010 9:48 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
people do need money to pay off those debts.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
"organic chemistry"
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
"physical therapy"
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
yeah but what are the odds she learned to be such a whore in college?
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
or nick stavinoa for that matter
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
yuk, yuk
Fangraphs anticipating more tlr/colby antics:
“Now, definitions of instincts may vary across the board, but at least Berkman has some experience in the outfield too, even playing center (which should come in handy once Rasmus is benched for inauspicious lengths of time).”
Just win
does fangraphs have a graph of "inauspicious"?
is that after ludicrous?
no, wait, that’s speed…
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
aaaaaaaaaaaahhhhh
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
you have made peach unhappy
what have you to say for yourself
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
yea, I may not have thought this through all the way
time to retreat to internet safety
by brackenthebox on Dec 4, 2010 9:53 PM EST up reply actions
except
IT’S COMING FROM INSIDE THE BLOG
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
THE BLOGGING IS COMING FROM INSIDE THE BLOG
Brendan Ryan is still a St. Louis Cardinal.
Aaron Miles is not.
by TBender on Dec 4, 2010 9:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
THEY'RE COMING OUT OF THE WALLS
You can't spell 'Inebriated' without 'Aranathor'
Forsooth and Verily
you're in no danger from me tonight
my stabbing knives are all loaned out to others
by peach concrete on Dec 4, 2010 9:55 PM EST up reply actions
using the Rays', just for variety
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 4, 2010 9:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I like this.
It does not bring back bad childhood memories.
Brendan Ryan is still a St. Louis Cardinal.
Aaron Miles is not.
someone post the vinny one
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
ouch
stop punching!
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 4, 2010 9:57 PM EST up reply actions
+1
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 4, 2010 9:48 PM EST up reply actions
Aubrey Huff just signed....
for 2yr/$22MM and we got Berkman for 1yr/$8MM. Huff and Berkman are the same age.
Mo 1, Sabes 0.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 4, 2010 9:46 PM EST reply actions
beating sabes is not that hard...
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
WS Champion, MF'er!
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 4, 2010 10:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Although, to be fair
Huff if coming off of a much better season, and is actually playing in position.
(as is his thong, according to MCC)
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
it's reached legendary status, for real
it’s like Ruth’s called shot and Aaron Fucking Boone. “The Rally Thong”.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
true, but then sabes should have signed berkman to play first...
and saved some money. Last year might be the only year in Huff’s career where he was better than Berkman. Screams fluke to me.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 4, 2010 9:56 PM EST up reply actions
this is fun
krispie with huff’s knees would be worth 11M
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
I think we have the ex-card brigade in Cincinnati to thank for this
Dewitt, Mo, TLR are pissed thst St.Louis East has made them look bad and their competitive juices are flowing now. Looks like it took Walt to open DeWallet.
Just win
that seems, a little opinionated, or something
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 4, 2010 9:50 PM EST up reply actions
personally I'm uncomfortable thinking of the FO and juices.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
it seems that walt's are coveted
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 4, 2010 9:52 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not in to conspiracies or anything,
but does anyone find it strange that DeWallet LIVES in Cincinnati?
all right, enough with the nicknames!
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 4, 2010 9:54 PM EST up reply actions
yeah,
I just cant seem to make fun of the payroll after they signed Matt
(eventhough payroll hadnt gone up much yet)
well he's from there so no
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
I know of the show, but there's no context
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 4, 2010 9:58 PM EST up reply actions
what reference?
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 4, 2010 9:57 PM EST up reply actions
Baby, if you've ever wondered, wondered whatever became of me....
Loved that theme song. But I’m old, sigh.
by peach concrete on Dec 4, 2010 9:58 PM EST up reply actions
nonsense, everyone know women never age pasted 21
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
Oh trust me, the thirties are better in a lot of ways.
by peach concrete on Dec 4, 2010 10:06 PM EST up reply actions
never picture anything on VEB....
NEVER
You can't spell 'Inebriated' without 'Aranathor'
Forsooth and Verily
they sure are looser!
Sheckie fail
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
this is a great theme song.
but the “Welcome Back Kotter” theme song is the greatest in the history of television.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
I would counter with "Movin' on Up", from the Jeffersons
But Welcome Back Kotter is certainly up there.
by peach concrete on Dec 4, 2010 10:24 PM EST up reply actions
This is also great
the 70’s were fantastic for prime time sitcoms theme songs.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
But seriously
shouldn’t the owner of the ST. LOUIS CARDINALS actually live in the St. Louis area? What’s next? Next thing you know, they’ll be selling Anheuser Busch to foreigners!
The reason they made this deal
Because the 2011 Cardinals will be the best Cardinal team for the next 5 years. All down hill after this
meh
we said that about the 2010 team. if every team henceforth is ‘the best team of the next 5 years’ we’ll be fine.
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actually
if every year was the best remaining year,
we’d end up like one of my favorite statistically improbable careers
whatever
look at that postseason line. He clearly went out on top
by brackenthebox on Dec 4, 2010 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
why's that
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 4, 2010 10:15 PM EST up reply actions
because most of our best players
will decline over the course of the next 5 years?
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Dec 4, 2010 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
depends on how
colby, miller, martinez, cox, etc turn out
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yep
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 4, 2010 10:23 PM EST up reply actions
yeah this is true
but every year of Albert’s prime that is wasted with a non-championship caliber roster is saddening.
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Dec 4, 2010 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
i would debate that this is a 'non-championship caliber roster'
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yeah, they've tried every year, except for '07 and maybe '08
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 4, 2010 10:30 PM EST up reply actions
still had a decent run at it in 2008
despite the fact that our 2nd best pitcher was Wellemeyer. oh god.
Hence this team has been conistently competitive
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2008 was an extremely weird and entertaining season
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 4, 2010 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
Like it or not
AP’s talents have been squandered by the ownership by holding onto TLR so long.
by peppermartin on Dec 4, 2010 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
perhaps somewhat
but not that much. I would like to see another manager though
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 4, 2010 10:42 PM EST up reply actions
you could say that about any star player on any team (that isn't the Yankees)
This is a team game, even if the Cards’ COULD win the WS every year doesn’t mean they are. Thats like saying the Rays are squandering Evan Longoria or the Brewers are squandering Ryan ‘Douche’ Braun.
Just because a great player is on a team, it doesn’t make the team great, and placing that blame squarely with TLR, is frankly, unfair.
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we can, however, check out the interesting patterns of September swoons.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
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I'm not so sure it's that simple, but ok
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 5, 2010 3:29 AM EST up reply actions
agreed they have been competitive
but i’d say they should be aiming at a dynasty and not 1st or 2nd place in the NL Central
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Dec 4, 2010 10:53 PM EST up reply actions
this roster is probably close-ish
and so long as some health-risks stay healthy is probably is championship caliber
2007,2008 weren’t.
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Dec 4, 2010 10:48 PM EST up reply actions
Lance Berkman Comps
Here are some players similar to Lance Berkman, along with their Age 35 OPS+
Larry Walker- 150
Willie Stargel- 147
Jason Giambi- 148
Jack Clark- 127
But keep in mind
Larry Walker – played in the launching pad of Coors Field
Willie Stargel – freak of nature
Jason Giambi – steroid baby
Jack Clark – douche bag
by peppermartin on Dec 4, 2010 10:11 PM EST up reply actions
OPS+ is park-adjusted.
Enter vivaelpujols
My great wit allows me to interject that by assuming the partakers of this conversation are inbedded and perhaps romantically entangled, rather than indeed, the truthful observation that they are both platonic and standing upright. Great comedy may be produced!! -Aranathor
by hazel on Dec 5, 2010 12:56 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
lance berkman is not an oompa loopma
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this
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 4, 2010 10:16 PM EST up reply actions
I hate to wish ill on anyone
But if skippy would just decide he doesn’t want to play baseball anymore, our lives would be a lot easier
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by VolsnCards5 on Dec 4, 2010 10:16 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I do wish people would stop hatin on the Schu-man
Schumaker and the most important play ever made
or are you seriously suggesting that VEB would be a better place without me…?!
don’t answer that
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I'm with Aranthor here.
yeah, he hasn’t been the best 2B. But come on guys…and gals, he could prove useful to our team.
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John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
its not shoe
every player must be evaluated with tlr colored glasses
stats be damned
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
I don't mind schu
But as long as he is on the roster, he will be the starting 2nd baseman, and that I do mind
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by VolsnCards5 on Dec 5, 2010 11:14 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I don't mind schu
But as long as he is on the roster, he will be the starting 2nd baseman, and that I do mind
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 5, 2010 11:14 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
he should follow his dream to be in law enforcement
and try to rehabilitate inmates named Monster
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NO ONE KNOWS WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IF YOU DON'T REPLAY TO OTHER POSTS
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actually, I do follow him.
there’s a certain small number of posters who always reply-fail, and they have reasons.
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I'm just too damn lazy to keep scrolling up the page
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by peppermartin on Dec 4, 2010 10:25 PM EST up reply actions
you are not excused
ctrl-f
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I can't believe I used the site without it for over a year
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 4, 2010 10:30 PM EST up reply actions
This.
The day I discovered that was a really good day.
by peach concrete on Dec 4, 2010 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
the point is, that if you want to have a conversation, its easier to do it that way
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or reply, it is the same price
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
NO ONE KNOWS WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IF YOU DON'T SPELL THINGS CORRECTLY
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
NO ONE KNOWS WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IF YOU COMMUNICATE IN BEEPS AND BLOOPS
There i said it.
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by Aranathor on Dec 4, 2010 10:29 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I THOUGHT THESE WERE TELEGRAMS
STOP
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
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I thought the wire version tom s wrote a few weeks ago was hilarious
aside: I read hilarious as “high-larious”.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
what are you traying to tell me
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twatter
anyone interested in day 3 of the ashes?
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Cricket
or; what baseball was before that Chadwick bloke came along.
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Sorry, but Douglas Adams ruined cricket for me
Although I have some academic interest in the batting and bowling since the same principles apply. I’ve studied Shoobee Doobee Acktar.
For your consideration
He’s a bit more extended than is typical at the POC, but this is a very short 9 frame swing.
maybe it's an outside pitch?
i’d like to see a greater number of swings than one
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twatter
interesting
i still have to wonder if this particular swing is representative of the hundreds of thousand of others throughout his career
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twatter
i also assume
this mainly just for fun. because he’s clearly proven himself to be an elite hitter. career .400 wOBA and all
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twatter
well there you go
adjustment for the changeup
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
you know that i know nothing about this sort of thing
but that looks decent enough to me.
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do you have anything from his time with the yankees?
Someone posted earlier that he looked pretty bad in the second half.
hello, that was me, he looked awful, i know he was hurt, but it was bad
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
There's no way this swing pans out
Enter vivaelpujols
My great wit allows me to interject that by assuming the partakers of this conversation are inbedded and perhaps romantically entangled, rather than indeed, the truthful observation that they are both platonic and standing upright. Great comedy may be produced!! -Aranathor
by hazel on Dec 5, 2010 1:00 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 4 recs
Nice swing...
…head down, rotates his hips into the swing, generates power below the waist, power follow-through. Cow old is this clip?
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His bat is bending!
His bat is bending! Just as he’s beginning his swing towards the front. Around frame 21-22 (any chance you can number these, tpg?)
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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 5, 2010 3:08 AM EST up reply actions
There is no spoon?
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 5, 2010 3:10 AM EST up reply actions
Berkman's ISO was way down last season
usually it’s around .230, but it was at .166
hopefully that was a fluke. here’s Berkman since 2005:
2005: .399 wOBA
2006: .425
2007: .383
2008: .419
2009: .386
2010: .345
I think him having .360 to .375 wOBA is a good estimate for next season
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 4, 2010 10:48 PM EST reply actions
seems like a pretty high variance projection, though
could be that he’s on a steep downhill slope and will drop off even more, or it could be a total aberration and he could get back up near a .400 woba
yeah, that's probably more accurate
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 4, 2010 11:04 PM EST up reply actions
bounceback .400 OBP season please thank you
also 500+ PAs please
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Dec 4, 2010 10:54 PM EST up reply actions
whoa, 500?
i’ll look in vegas for that one and make me some money going <500!!
4 at bats, 162 games = 648 at bats means he would have to play >75% of all game innings (plays all innings 3 of every 4 days for 6 months)
i’d bet no on that one
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
yeah but it's december so i'm being greedy
how about .310/.401/.505 over 437 PAs
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Dec 5, 2010 1:14 AM EST up reply actions
incoming blockquote (MLBTR)
George Sherrill during the winter meetings. “I had a horrendous year. I couldn’t get my mechanics right now matter what I tried,” said Sherrill, who had a 6.69 ERA in 2010. “I’m ready to bounce back and help somebodyno matter my role.”
LOOGY?
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i knew it!
i saw him pitch a few times & he looked way way off. i should be like a scout or something
go get him MO
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are you saying
he’s tipping his pitches??
gasp!
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Anyone see Harang's deal with the Friars?
1 yr/ $3 mil Not a bad deal for the Padres. Had we not re-signed Westbrook, I would have been interested in Harang on a deal like that.
Padres' RFL for GG!
I can't believe that Jocketty resigns Arroyo to that awful extension
but lets Harang go for pennies.
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+1
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 4, 2010 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
fixed
I can’t believe that Jocketty resigns Arroyo to that awful extension
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by Aranathor on Dec 4, 2010 11:14 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Are in-season Jocketty and off-season Jocketty even the same person?
This may just be me remembering incompletely, but it seems like he’s great with late July deals and finagling, but struggles when there’s no hard deadline making him work at things.
he just rolled out the mulder contract and changed the names
to protect the guilty
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
War-time hero, peace-time f-up.
You're the fail to my win?
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 5, 2010 9:29 AM EST up reply actions
He may have given a home town discount to play in SD
May be a good deal for him. With that park, he could pad his stats and set himself up for a bigger payday next off season.
Padres' RFL for GG!
He is the same guy who gave the injury prone Chris Carpenter a 5 year deal....
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I had deep reservations about that extension though it has been
good for the Cardinals thus far.
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The first two years were awful
It’s just recently that it has looked like a better deal.
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miraculously
it’s not often a guy can miss 2 years of a 5-year contract and the team come out on top
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yeah I'm stunned
perhaps I underestimate Harang’s decline? I still think of him as being better than Arroyo.
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Dec 4, 2010 11:58 PM EST up reply actions
On that deal, for that money, there isn't a great deal of harm in it
but Harang is a terrible pitcher, ERA+ of 75 last year.
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last year was definately a bad year for him, but he'd been fairly solid before that.
He may rebound a bit next year. Getting out of GAB and into PETCO will surely help his production.
Padres' RFL for GG!
by UZR, Berkman looks much more comfortable in LF
LF UZR: 3.8 career
RF UZR: -10.8 career
for what it’s worth, the fangraphs “arm” stat likes his throwing ability
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 4, 2010 11:12 PM EST reply actions
As a Houston resident
I can say that puma was a good friend of 1560 the game which is a privately owned sports station here and talked in a couple of interviews about his 2010 season and his knee injury. As you can imagine he was always a great quote and was always honest in any interviews. He said before the trade that He was never healthy last season but he knew He could get back to where he was.
I don’t know if that happens but I do know that puma is not a steroid baby and has always been a pure hitter. Never worked out much and never had a rigid routine before games. He just jumped into the cage and started ripping. Many astros teammates have voiced awe regarding that. It seems to me it’s quite possible that he realized he needed to work harder to extend his career and I hope he has. I also think he is an OBP machine which we have never had in front of Hombre. In fact he was the closest true comp tonpujols in MLB during the past decade – high OBP high AVG HR and low K/bb. Even at 35 um really happy he’s on the roster.
by rlgosnell on Dec 4, 2010 11:17 PM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
everyone always has said he's a good dude & a classy guy
i never liked him because he absolutely destroyed the Cardinals pitching. it’s going to be weird pulling for him now
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nice
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 5, 2010 2:06 AM EST up reply actions
Kevin Pieterson, double ton!!
G’night everybody.
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Hey guys, I'm going to complain about the NCAA.
Does anyone else feel like Cam Newton’s ruling is a complete joke? How the hell does allowing Newton to play help the college recruiting scene? What they have essentially implied by it is that the child is not culpable to the crimes of the parents. What is stopping parents from doing this now?
Personally, this is an agenda driven agenda to me, so that Newton will play in the national championship and make them lots of money. There is no other reason for them to make this ruling in my view other than that. Even though it disgusts me to consider, just the fact that TCU is sitting right there undefeated makes the NCAA a little skittish about ruling against Newton. I don’t think Auburn should be held accountable for this (We don’t know if they know about this, I suspect that they didn’t), but Newton should almost certainly be held ineligible for the year barring further investigation.
Maybe this is some provoked anger from the Guy-Marc Michel ruling the NCAA made a few days ago. Guy-Marc Michel, a center from Indiana, played in France before he went to the US to go to college, and played a grand total of 5 minutes professionally in 5 games. While doing this, he paid for the necessities of his household and attended some college classes in 2006. The NCAA ruled him ineligible for his college career since he “attended” college in 2006, therefore his eligibility is over.
I somewhat wish I could command the NCAA, just to clean up the organization for its greedy nature and half-ass investigations.
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-George Carlin (RIP)
Coming from a USC student
Yes. The ruling was a joke.
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
I agree but I can't resist
“I’ve made mistakes, I clearly did, but what I was hoping for was that some other dumbass would get on the front page and take me off the hook,‘’ Pearl said. "I miss Lane Kiffin.’’
Also, I hate Auburn so I’m biased.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
He was an Auburn signee
Fortunately we made his decision easy for him
by Merry CRasmus on Dec 4, 2010 11:49 PM EST up reply actions
shouldn't you be at the rose bowl right now?
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explanation that makes sense
Bush’s family did receive money. Newton’s didn’t but just tried to. Mr. Newton, as far as is known, was not known by Cam. Since the heresay evidence that does exist is with a different school than he actually attends, he is eligible to play for the school that he actually goes to. If he had went to Mississippi State and the evidence had then come up, he would be ineligible to play.
/I don’t really care either way, I have watched literally 2 quarters of college football this year. The majority of major colleges are corrupt, some are better than others at CYA procedures. Also, the above explanation is what I have gained from listening to Rick-n-Bubba explain it every morning for the last 6 weeks. They have sited another incident that happened with another young man at Alabama a few years ago as the reference point.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
I think that ruling has to do with how your eligibility clock starts ticking when you start college.
I could be wrong.
However, it just goes to show you how easy it is to interpret your rules when it favors your bottom line by keeping a player eligible. They could discipline Bush because he never was going to play an NCAA game that would make them money.
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yes, the ruling was a joke
and made no sense. had it been anybody else not in a title game contention, the ruling probably would have been completely different. some of the ncaa’s rulings are complete jokes, and this is one of them.
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KEEP BRENDAN RYAN.
yes, it's total & complete BS
the dude’s dad demands & receives money for his sons services & said son isn’t shown the door? that’s crap of epic proportions. if im USC i’m throwing a major fit because they just got bent over the table because reggie & his family did the exact same thing.
the ncaa is one of the most crooked & corrupt organizations in the world. i’m not surprised they let him off the hook considering they do not want a small school like TCU to play Oregon. but i think it will be funny in a few years to watch them bend over backwards to make an example of Auburn & make them give back all wins, take away money & schlarships & maybe take newtons heisman away
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by gdm426 on Dec 4, 2010 11:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
thought at this point it was just "solicitation"
no proof money exchanged hands…
i mean come on the NCAA looked into it..
i mean if he was guilty they would have made him sat out this game, forcing auburn to be terrible and cause Pandamonium and all the “playoff” people to resurafce..
Im sure they thought long and hard..even though pundints are saying the investigation is not over
This guys so good(Pujols) He should be illegal-Pirates announcers
Receives money
Where has that been proven? How many games did Bush have to sit out? It took a loooong time for the NCAA to act with USC. The violations there happened at the school the kid went to, money was proven to have changed hands, and McNair was implicated in the case. A few pretty key differences at this point in time.
You don’t think the NCAA has done a little bit of due diligence on this? Not that facts can’t still surface, but the FBI is already sniffing around the MSU booster. The FBI would undercut them and make them look foolish at any time, if the FBI trail would lead to Auburn. That tells me the NCAA isn’t finding what everyone instinctively assumes they will.
Also, this ruling isn’t really a precedent. The Albert Means situation was a coach engaging in pay for play. He wasn’t eligible at Alabama, but was immediately eligible at Memphis. It was a coach rather than a parent so that is one difference, but another is that money was proven to have exchanged hands. Didn’t matter, he was eligible.
And I am biased for full disclosure. Lived in Auburn for a few years.
by Merry CRasmus on Dec 5, 2010 12:08 AM EST up reply actions
no, i have no believe that the ncaa has done their due diligence
i think they looked just enough to not find anything & hope the feds find something on the msu booster to discredit him, or that nothing is ever found.
i personally have no vendetta against auburn, but i also think there is a lot more to this story than they want anyone to believe.
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
Auburn has had problems with boosters in the past
No doubt about that. That’s why Auburn has a strong compliance staff that has been working this from about the moment Newton committed. I believe they had what if discussions about a range of possible scenarios with the NCAA before Newton played a down, let alone was a Heisman candidate. I would imagine the story as it stands now was within that range. If the story evolves to what many assume it to be, then Auburn will deserve what they get since they knew something happened with MSU since January.
I just don’t believe it went down that way. Their compliance staff isn’t a joke and had a chance to investigate.
by Merry CRasmus on Dec 5, 2010 12:40 AM EST up reply actions
this kids entire story smells fishy to me
from his time in Florida, to how he left, to now, it just stinks. something’s not right. i don’t know the who’s, what’s, where’s & why’s, but something isn’t right.
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hasn't been proven
all is hearsay that FESPN passes along as fact. And we are falling for it. FESPN! Why do you think everyone loves Oregon this year? FESPN/ABC have convinced you to love them. Who owns right to SEC coverage? That would be CBS. Now, Pac-10 or whatever it is that Oregon plays in? That would be ABC. Why do you think that Oregon gets a ton of “free” PR from FESPN/ABC? Because it benefits FESPN/ABC’s bottom line.
/again from Rick-n-Bubba
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
I'm not really sure how you're connecting all of this...
but Oregon is undefeated. They are 1 of 3 teams in the country to be undefeated, so I’m not exactly sure how ESPN is the only reason people think they’re good. Also ESPN has a contract with the SEC.
Read my first post
secondhand information from a morning radio talk show. I don’t follow college football at all, I just listen to the 2 sexiest fat guys on the radio for the jokes. Its not my fault they insist on talking college football all the time.
I do know that Oregon is undefeated and so is Auburn in what I hear is the toughest conference in CFB. Cam Newton BS aside, the 2 best teams are set to play for the national championship.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
i've been a Oregon fan for the past decade, i didn't just jump on their bandwagon
FSN, Verses & ABC/WWL share the Pac-10. while yes ABC/WWL do profit from the Ducks good season, they aren’t the only ones.
also this isn’t all hearsay. the ncaa admitted as such when they said the actions of Cam’s dad do not affect Cam in any way. when in fact the exact opposite has always been true. they’ve told every athlete from the table tennis teams to the football teams, if you’re folks to anything wrong we see it as you doing something wrong. that’s the big point here & why many people are so upset about this. they are making a special exception for Cam & that’s something they’ve never done for a QB on a major program before. at least not in public
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like i said
i’m just relaying what I’ve heard on the radio. And what I’ve heard says that no money changed hands and no negotiations were made with the actual university that he is attending. The explanation I have heard is that since nothing took place with auburn, he is eligible to play at auburn. If the investigation had turned up that anything had taken place at auburn, he would be ineligible. By the same token, if he had went to Mississippi State, he would not be eligible, even if no money had changed hands.
So by that explanation, yes he would be responsible for his father’s actions, even if his father hadn’t received any benefits. I went to the show website to see if I could track down a clip of their explanation to see if I was messing it up somehow, but found nothing.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
ya i get that
and you’re correct, because nothing from him or his family has been linked to Auburn he can still play. it doesn’t mean that’s right though because if this happened at MSU, you know it happened at Auburn.
my question is why did he go to Auburn? if MSU was going to have to pay $100K-$200K, how much did Auburn have to pay? and what else other than cash did they have to fork over? homes? cars? hookers & blow?
what sucks is this stuff goes on. if the ncaa would just compensate the players better & keep boosters under control a lot of this crap wouldn’t be happening. i don’t blame the players or family’s, it’s not their fault this is the way the system works. it’s the ncaa’s for letting it go on this long & not doing more to stop it.
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
absolutely
question they didn’t answer is, was cam in on the deal to go to msu for 180k? he went to auburn because msu would not give him the money. they need to say he was not in on it. would he have gone to msu if they had come across with the money? hard to imagine dada was doing this w/o knowing he could deliver.
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
Still
When it comes to a sports organization that makes you pull out your hair, FIFA takes the cake. Even over the IOC as far as I’m concerned. The NCAA has definitely been a faulty group but if what has been reported over the past few years about FIFA is true, they win the most corrupt/greedy/incompetent sports body award, hands down.
"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'" -Isaac Asimov
Indeed, FIFA and the IOC rarely get addressed in the states
but FIFA especially is really bad with rulings, especially about where to play events, etc.
At the particular moment I wrote the post, the NCAA pissed me off more than the others :)
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
yes
they are trying to tell us that his dad demanded and received money for Cam Newton’s services YET Cam Newton knew absolutely nothing about it
BULLFUCKINGSHIT
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
some of my worst nights have followed being lured into a van
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Dec 5, 2010 1:38 AM EST up reply actions
but then you wouldn't have had those great morning afters
you gotta look on the bright side of life dude
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
are you Fredbird's partner or something
?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Define partner.
Sorry gdm, couldn’t help it. It was just sitting there.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 5, 2010 8:49 AM EST up reply actions
OT: does anybody here use a WebOS phone?
I just bought a Palm Pre from eBay—I finally felt justified in upgrading from the razr 2—and was surprised to learn there was no official twitter client. Any recommendations would be great.
The phone is awesome, by the way; I’ll probably move to an iPhone eventually, but I didn’t want to use an upgrade on one halfway through their usual cycle, and the tech nerd in me wanted to give WebOS a try. Verdict: Not quite as polished as iOS, but I love the way they designed multitasking, and the gesture area under the screen is a great idea. Much better than my (limited) experience with Android.
how did they design multitasking?
i don’t even understand what that means. android multitasks like a windows or mac computer does. you just open an application and the one previously running doesn’t have to close.
i’m vaguely familiar with what apple refers to as multitasking on iOS. vaguely similar to that?
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should i say vaguely again?
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just don't misspell it
or there’ll be an “in bed”
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
yeah I worded that strangely. the way multitasking is performed, I guess—
the card/stack metaphor. I don’t know anything about the underpinnings.
yeah, i don't know about it
androud does true multitasking. but it’s probably even lessed polished than webOS. certainly less polished than iOS
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the unfortunate thing is
as cool as the multitasking is, I haven’t yet felt a need to run very much at the same time—I keep things open just so I can mess with the cards. I’m clearly not a power user.
WebOS is awesome
Unfortunately, the hardware options so far are mostly crap. I’m hopeful HP will have some decent options before too long.
I think the task-switching is great, if a little overblown. I didn’t really see how it was some revolutionary idea like they claimed at the time of launch, considered it’s basically the same way that tab switching worked in existing mobile browsers. That said, it is the only of the mobile phone platform that focuses on multitasking as part of the overall experience rather than just porting the desktop metaphor (android), or providing a gimped, tacked on option (iOS).
by brackenthebox on Dec 5, 2010 7:53 AM EST up reply actions
Straussycorn has new material up
here’s the money quote from Fat Elvis
“The older you get, you never know what you’re going to deal with. I’m going to do everything in my power to be as good as I can be for the Cardinals,” he said. “Everybody is going to say they feel great. But if I didn’t feel good about it, I wouldn’t have put myself in this position. It’s almost good to have a little chip on the shoulder and have something to prove.”
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
so basically
berkman=penny?
1yr, 8mil to try to prove you still have it.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
we'll see, if he hits a GS in May & then falls into the Bermuda Triangle, he will be
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
i don't know but i'd much rather have him there than Fat Elvis
Busch’s right field corner is tricky, more so than left’s which can be trouble too
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
If we can make the WS with Larry Walker playing RF in a hoverround
and win the WS with Chris Duncan dry humping flyballs in both corner spots, I don’t give a damn where The Berkman Man plays, as long as he hits.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Dec 5, 2010 2:06 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Fritz just hit the nail on the head, folks.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 5, 2010 2:08 AM EST up reply actions
imagine what Walker could have done with a Segway?
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
by gdm426 on Dec 5, 2010 2:15 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That technology is just too advanced for simple Canadians.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
The Berkman Man
get used to it folks, cuz you know we’ll be hearing a lot of that one
Fire John Mozeliak up a nice steak, or stake ( haven't decided)
For ST they need to just put Matt in RF and have guys just smack balls at him all friggin day until he figures it out.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 5, 2010 2:07 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not sold on Berkman in left yet
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 5, 2010 2:09 AM EST up reply actions
sorry, meant to say right
he seems to play better in left. I guess it really depends on who has the better arm right?
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 5, 2010 2:10 AM EST up reply actions
He's really only going to have to cover about 2/3 of LF, Colby will cover the rest.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 5, 2010 2:27 AM EST up reply actions
I think moving Holliday to right is probably the best move
Jon Jay can play any of the outfield positions adequately. so he can give the guys days off. I just hope they use him for that and let Colby play more games.
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 5, 2010 2:32 AM EST up reply actions
Yep, Colby needs to be left alone to play his game.
But JJ could spell them very well, but what to do with the Craigen? I so hope that Boog is still here, cuz he could cover a 1/4 of FE’s 2/3, thus minimizing his D further.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 5, 2010 2:37 AM EST up reply actions
Craig could end up being a key to the infield
but since they have never tried him out there in the past, I have no idea what to expect or if he can stick there.
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 5, 2010 2:40 AM EST up reply actions
It's an interesting thought.
Too bad Skip doesn’t hold much trade value, we really don’t need him and we’re paying too much for what he doesn’t do.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 5, 2010 2:44 AM EST up reply actions
so what we are saying is skip and lohse should be in the doghouse before boog
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 5, 2010 2:46 AM EST up reply actions
In a word?
Fuckyeah!
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 5, 2010 2:58 AM EST up reply actions
because TLR supposedly runs a meritocracy
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 5, 2010 3:18 AM EST up reply actions
IDGAFWTLRR
Boog should never be placed in the doghouse, not enough room to spin. And Carp is the only one good enough to put him there.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 5, 2010 8:53 AM EST up reply actions
well what I'm saying is boog should not be in the doghouse because of his elite level of defense.
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 5, 2010 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
although I'd like to see him lay off some of those throws
might make Pujols get injured. maybe that’s the real reason he’s in the doghouse.
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 5, 2010 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
but making daring throws is partly why he's an elite defender
so, there’s that.
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 5, 2010 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
And I am in total agreement with you, on all counts.
But I doubt TLR will. The man just has his own little world and everybody had better do what they’re told to do in it.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 5, 2010 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
left at minutemaid
fewer issues since the ss can play any carom
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
holy shit
we got a hittin’ ass outfield
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That could be taken a few different ways.lol
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 5, 2010 2:06 AM EST up reply actions
read like i posted it from texas
it becomes a bit more clear what i mean
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gotcha
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 5, 2010 2:16 AM EST up reply actions
yeah we do
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 5, 2010 2:10 AM EST up reply actions
can the season start tomorrow
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perhaps some late fall/early winter training games?
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 5, 2010 2:12 AM EST up reply actions
Let's not push it too fast. I want Not-so-Fat Elvis to heal up as much as possible.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 5, 2010 2:16 AM EST up reply actions
yeah
based on his comments, he’s playing for a contract. i hope he comes in all in shape plays a decent left field and gives us matt holliday numbers from the left side
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Towel!
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 5, 2010 2:18 AM EST up reply actions
in bed
?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Did you two ever go to sleep?
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 5, 2010 8:54 AM EST up reply actions
speak for yourself
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
uh huh
you sure are observant
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
is your penis involved in that pronoun?
no one else is
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
are you using two hands to type?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
His other personalities are starting to pop up.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 5, 2010 9:30 AM EST up reply actions
mo interview here
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20101204&content_id=16255984&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb
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plus a montage
montage!
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are you toying with me
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
That last sentence really deflated the whole thing for me.
Nice write up tho.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 5, 2010 2:14 AM EST up reply actions
if the interest that's worth exploring ends up being perdomo 2.0
I’m going to hire some stereotypical high school bullies to throw mozeliak into a locker or maybe give him a swirly.
You could probably get Flim and myself to do it for bail money.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 5, 2010 2:34 AM EST up reply actions
"dammit, I never wanted to be a Yankee. how did it come to this?"
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 5, 2010 3:27 AM EST reply actions
is it a problem that i'm pretty hyper and not tired at all?
i just MIGHT pull an all-nighter but then my tomorrow would suck cause people and family is coming over….
i’ll just go with the flow of the night….
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
go to bed or go out and wreak havoc
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 5, 2010 4:00 AM EST up reply actions
this is the one time of night where pulling an all-nighter sounds like a cool idea
speaking on behalf of seven-hours-in-the-future-you, go to bed.
I agree. Lay down with a book
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
that's "lie"
“lay” implies… well. in bed.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
you just boo'd grammar
your fate is now sealed.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
imprecise language will not save you.
it was pleasant making your acquaintance.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Boo?
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 5, 2010 8:56 AM EST up reply actions
this is one of the hardest things in grammar for me
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i usually just let microsoft word take care of it when it matters
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i agree with you
so i fall asleep to watching a television show – new plan
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
quitter, my night is about to begin
I’m going to make some ramen, study for finals and at 1pm I’ll register for classes for next semester.
Boosh!!!
I think I’ll fit some modern warfare in there as well.
you're doing something productive though
i on the other hand am not
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
let's try the "turn off the computer" and close your eyes technique now
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
I just played around with Baseball Musings' Lineup Optimizer with Bill James' projections
An every day lineup of Theriot, Berkman, Pujols, Holliday, Rasmus, Freese, Molina, Skip, and a pitcher will score 5.3 runs per game
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
what if you run for boog instead of skip?
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 5, 2010 4:00 AM EST up reply actions
I'm too lazy to do that again... but it'll probably score like 5.15 or something like that
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Skip's OBP is awfully optimistic, you think?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Well I was hungover all day from last night
So I just stayed in and watched college football all day with my roommates
And my fiancee lives 1500 miles away, soooooooooooo
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
What an odd thing to say
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
You know, fiance living 1500 miles away
Spending all day with a bunch of dudes, watching some more dudes play grabass with other of the football field….
It's true, loneliness brings out your deepest feelings :)
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
gdm....is that you?
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 5, 2010 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
Oh snap
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
Mo's not done yet!
My prediction: Holliday and Ryan get flipped to the Yanks for Jeter, clearing up space for Berkman and cap room to sign Albert..
Who are we to judge?
ET might be really good in bed.
That statement really worked better in my head.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 5, 2010 9:32 AM EST up reply actions
i don't think anyone could live in my time
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
(in the minor leagues....)
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 5, 2010 5:41 AM EST up reply actions
eh well according to the MLE calculator
http://www.minorleaguesplits.com/mlecalc.html
his walks would drop about 5% (94 in 2010 to 70).
he would be good for a .246/.340/.362 MLE
seems like he’d be a decent top of the order guy (.340 OBP is nothing to scoff at.)
oh yeah, we already have third base insurance, right?
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 5, 2010 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
this
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 5, 2010 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
I guess our fielding's going to suck something fierce
but, that said, I absolutely love this deal. Have to feel a bit sorry for Craig and Jay but if Berkman hits anything like as well as he has done in the last couple of years he’s going to be a notch above average even if he is a disaster in LF. And I suppose it gives us a second option at the end of the year when Pujols goes off to play in Boston (sorry :-)!).
Still bitching to contact.
i'm sure they will
i was just yanking your collective chains. I think LA (either) or NYM are the only possible albert destinations; maybe Texas as an ultra-long shot.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 6, 2010 6:58 PM EST up reply actions
if berk is a starter
jaig will get plenty of innings from both late inning stints as well as the may days berk cannot play
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
*barf*
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 5, 2010 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
I don't really feel bad for Jay, since he can fill in for any of the outfielders
but Craig, he better learn how to field the infield real quick-like
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 5, 2010 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
He'd better have lost weight
because he looked like a 45 yr old the last few years.
(knees – yeah I know)
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
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