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The Hot Corner - 2011 Player Profiles: David Freese

Third base remains an uncertainty for the Cardinals going into 2011, along with the rest of the infield (even Albert has the contract thing going on). Since the post-Rolen era began, third base has been a churning eddy of change for the Cardinals. By far the best option that has come since Scott departed for Canada was Troy MF'ing Glaus, who was actually quite good until his shoulder exploded. Other than that, only David Freese comes to mind, who endured a similar fate but with Achilles ankles as the malediction cast down by the GOB. To compensate for injuries, the Cards have had to roll out the likes of Scott Spiezio, Felipe Lopez, Aaron Miles, Khalil Greene, and Pedro Feliz.

I'd like to take a look at 4 options for third base that would come from the org at very little cost compared to signing or trading for someone. The first two have actually played third base for St. Louis on numerous occasions, David Freese and Tyler Greene. Another option, Allen Craig, is to be developed further at third. And the minor leagues have Matt Carpenter charging up the ladder.

In this first installment, I'm going to concentrate on the most obvious option, the starter in 2010. David Freese (aka mr. freeze, iceman, tasty, reeses peanut butter cup, etc) was born in Corpus Christi, TX in the year of 1983. After presumably being a big baseball fan as a child and his parents moving to St. Louis, David graduated from Lafayette High School. After high school he attended South Alabama and played hardball, where he played in 116 games. At that level he had 180 hits, 18 home runs, and tore the baseball apart in 2006 by posting a .503 OBP and a .661 SLG. The San Diego Padres drafted him that year in the 9th round. 

In 5 seasons in the minors, playing for teams like the Emeralds, the Wizards, and the Storm, Freeser had a pretty damn successful run with 68 home runs, a .385 OBP, and .533 SLG over 395 games (and got hit by the pitch 28 times, the most coming in 2007... he got hit 16 times!). Also, 305 RBIs over 5 seasons is being nicely productive. Even more info can be found at http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/F/David-Freese.shtml.

Freese entered the Cardinals AAA system before the 2008 season, in a big trade that sent Jim Edmonds to San Diego. The need for a third baseman to be produced within the organization was high, so Freese eventually was expected to be a starter for St. Louis. Eventually it was revealed that he had a slight drinking problem (or major, depending on how you want to intrepret things). The official announcement was that David's wreck prior to the 2009 season was an isolated incident. But many following his career more closely were privy to the knowledge that David had prior run-ins with public intoxication and even an incident in Maryland. The iceman's first arrest was in California near the Pad's A-level squad in September, 2007. There he resisted arrest for public intoxication at a casino, and he was slapped with a misdemeanor for public intox. This charge was eventually dropped, but he still had to face up to the obstruction charge, and was eventually sentenced to 3 years probation. As if this weren't enough, he had a crash while driving on icy roads in Maryland prior to the 2009 season, injuring his feet and ankles. This would be a start of a trend in his career regarding injuries.

Oddly enough, the last time the Cardinals org had a run in with drinking problems was with Scott Spiezio, the 3rd major incident in the aughts Cardinals' teams.

http://www.drinking-problem.com/featured/cardinals-david-freese-arrested-on-dui-charge/

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So for a guy who once batted .414 in NCAA circuit college baseball, Freese has been a little disappointing. It's a shame his ankle problem could be related to a drinking and driving incident. After delaying his debut, he once again suffered injuries in 2010 after showing very promising defensive skills and .361 OBP (1.5 WAR in 70 games!). He injured both ankles last season, dropped a weight on his foot, and was nearly hit in the face by a hockey puck most recently. The Freese story does not make me extremely confident that he will get the bulk of the time at the hot corner for the Cardinals in '11, but if he endures and gets to play there more often, he could be a very nice, very inexpensive player to start at third base. He seems to be a well-liked guy despite his drunken incidents, and could help the team a lot. I'm just not going to say anything more about his ankles or his health and welfare, because he sure seems to be a magnet for cartoon-like accidents.

Since he is likely to start at third after spring training (godspeed, you pitchers and catchers, report!), let's have a look at what people are projecting he will do in 2011. First off, one site even questions if he's even an option at all, regardless of the injuries. http://rotoprofessor.com/baseball/?p=7684 The professor cites an alarming strikeout rate (24.6% in 2010, pretty well in line with his minor league mark), and an inflated BABIP. The projections here are not very optimistic in the OBP department, but the 14 home runs seems a little too optimistic. I don't particularly agree with the projections listed at this site, but they are listed at that link. I just don't think he'll strike out over 25% of the time (at least I hope not).

Bill James is projecting Freese to have a much better on base percentage than that, at .353. This is not as good as it was last season, but James predicts a much higher ISO at .157 instead of .108. The wOBA projected is also at .353, which would be quite a coup for the Cardinals and their third base situation. I think the James projection is more in line with what will happen (albeit probably a bit too optimistic), but the other projection remains a big concern, given the K rate and BABIP. James sees the BABIP as sustainable, probably due to Freese being a line drive hitter. At any rate, Freese may not be the .900+ OPS hitter that he was in the minor leagues, but I don't think an .800 OPS hitter is out of the question going forward, and his defense can at times be quite good. Hopefully the Cards will get their 3+ WAR player from the position that is possible given Freese's upside. If not, there are options.

 

minor league record: http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=freese001dav

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Freese & Craig

could both impact the Cards success this coming season but I find it interesting that they seem to be giving Freese every opportunity while Craig doesn’t seem to be able to catch a break. Maybe Freese is the better player but for my money I would rather have signed a free agent 3B or traded for one and left Craig plugged into RF.

Craig or Freese are not going to win any defensive awards but in my opinion Freese is a much higher risk because of his injury history and because of his issues with alcohol. Likewise I have never seen him as an excellent defensive player. His defense is just adequate and after a hot start this past year he tailed off significantly as the season wore on. I find it interesting that the Cards would pay Berkman 8 million to play RF when they could have kept Craig there and used that 8 million for other needs.

by Warcard on Dec 31, 2010 3:09 PM EST reply actions  

there's no doubt that Freese is better defensively at third

I’m not real worried about his alcohol issues at this point. I’m assuming he’s pretty over that, but who knows. I am very worried about his ankles though. with 2 of them coming off of injuries, I just keep thinking he will injure them while running the basepaths.

this is why they are finally going to give Craig a look at third. this should have been done more last season, since Feliz was just a waste. if like you say Freese is just an average defender, it is more than likely that he will still be better than Craig at defense.

the question is how close the two are defensively, since Craig might have more upside offensively. too hard to tell though, at this point. Freese has always had some offensive upside as well. it will be interesting to see how this plays out in spring training… til then, I felt I had to bring up Freese’s issues, and his potentially high K rate and the average could drop due to the BABIP.

turn it up to '11

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 31, 2010 3:25 PM EST up reply actions  

How do these projections sound for Freese

.253/.324/.398 with 10 homers in 380 plate appearances? I thought it was low until I saw his BABIP last year and then they seemed about right…

DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!

by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 31, 2010 6:41 PM EST reply actions  

I'm going to go with

.280/.337/.446 with 12 dingers

turn it up to '11

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 31, 2010 6:45 PM EST up reply actions  

pretty high on the slugging percentage it seems

I’m guessing you are expecting an uptick in power to sort of offset his drop in average?

I have a .145 ISO and you have a .166 ISO and last year he had a .108 ISO so I guess we are both pretty high on his power improving…

DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!

by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 31, 2010 6:56 PM EST up reply actions  

last year was 300 PA

It wouldn’t really be improving.

Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat

by vivaelpujols on Dec 31, 2010 7:34 PM EST up reply actions  

To low

Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat

by vivaelpujols on Dec 31, 2010 7:34 PM EST up reply actions  

What I Was Trying to Say

was that I think the Cards should have kept Craig in RF and looked for a different 3B which would have been a better defensive combination at 3B and RF than Freese and Berkman. For example, Beltre at 3B and Craig in RF would seem to me to make them much better defensively and comparable offensively.

by Warcard on Dec 31, 2010 7:27 PM EST reply actions  

can't afford Beltre

he wants too many years. unless we could have waited all offseason to see what happens with him. any other third baseman wouldn’t be that much of an upgrade.

turn it up to '11

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 31, 2010 7:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I like Freese as the starter

and my only real concern is the injury risk. At a glance, I think his offensive numbers will be at least respectable.
I’m pretty impressed with his defensive skills so far and consider him the best glove we have at 3rd, But platooning him with Craig seems to be the obvious thing to do for sake of grooming Craig and less wear and tear on Freese’s wheels.
I’m a lot less optimistic about the team going into spring this season than I was last season, so I’m more open to the idea of preparing for 2012. For that reason I’d like to see if Craig has any potential at 3rd. I like Freese quite a bit but I know first hand about a bad ankle injury and the long term affect it can have. I broke mine pretty badly at age 23 and was never the same, not even close. Hopefully his injury isn’t as bad.
If Craig has any potential at all at 3rd then I like the idea of he and Freese sharing the bag and the bench. They can both be a threat.

Baseball is only a game. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole.

by Dave Pendleton on Jan 1, 2011 1:10 PM EST reply actions  

while an ankle injury isn't as bad as a wrist injury

they are still similar injuries. my ankle was hit by a cab and got pinned between the bumper and the bicycle, so sometimes it just doesn’t feel right, even a few years after the accident. luckily it was not broken but I still think there’s something wrong with it.

factor in for Freese not one but 2 ankles with problems and the fact that he will need to be doing much more physical activity, and it could end up being a problem. hopefully this last surgery and the extra time to heal will be better and as you say with some off days to minimize stress on the ankles and he could make it through the season. not too optimistic about the situation, but at least there are 3 other options just within the org. I don’t think we have the trade firepower to bring in anyone worthwhile from another team.

turn it up to '11

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 1, 2011 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

certainly it depends

on the type and severity of the injury and the individual’s healing ability. My ankle injury was a break, a bad one, right on top where it bends. I was done with tennis, running and lost about 20% of the bending motion. On the other hand, I severely broke my left wrist and both bones in the arm, at a younger age. After awhile I had no real problems other than stiffness that work out in about an hour. So I can’t really say a wrist injury is worse than an ankle injury. Maybe in some cases, maybe not in others.
So, I think it’s possible that Freese could be near 100%, depending on how his ankles are injured, but it may take awhile. Another good reason to split duty. Hopefully, at least one of the ankles can return to 100%. That would be great.
I’d like to see his X-Rays.

Baseball is only a game. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole.

by Dave Pendleton on Jan 1, 2011 9:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Freese

Is it realistic to expect a player that has had two surgery’s to repair injuries to both ankles, to have the ability to play third base at an average or above average level of defensive value?

I think it is. And I think Freese will probably be seeing another season with a considerable amount of time on the disabled list.

Albert Pujols is a god, and you my friend should be doing no less than groveling at his feet.

by CoolCat23 on Jan 1, 2011 4:58 PM EST reply actions  

He really didn’t play in that many last season, so sure.

Albert Pujols is a god, and you my friend should be doing no less than groveling at his feet.

by CoolCat23 on Jan 1, 2011 7:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I meant

unrealistic by the way.

So unless you think I was being ironic in the original post(which I wasn’t being), than I am sorry for the mistake.

Albert Pujols is a god, and you my friend should be doing no less than groveling at his feet.

by CoolCat23 on Jan 1, 2011 7:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I was just curious what you thought

I think he’ll probably play in more games, but he’ll probably be a out for a bit, or won’t be 100% until May or something

turn it up to '11

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 1, 2011 8:34 PM EST up reply actions  

For some reason, you're signature disturbs me.

But I agree, two weak ankles is a formula for disaster at 3rd base. Allen Craig better start taking groundballs now. And he better limber up.

And would someone please call Matt Carpenter. He’s needed in the ICU.

Thank you.
- Dr. Heisenberg

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by Heisenberg on Jan 1, 2011 7:55 PM EST up reply actions  

"For some reason, you're signature disturbs me."

Just a little bit of idolatry and blasphemy for the good posters at Viva El Birdos.

Albert Pujols is a god, and you my friend should be doing no less than groveling at his feet.

by CoolCat23 on Jan 1, 2011 8:28 PM EST up reply actions  

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