Hot Stove League Updates: Friday Morning Thread
by DanUpBaby on Dec 3, 2010 4:48 AM EST
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PrintToday's main post is running a little late. Use this thread to discuss the Hot Stove, which is finally a little hot. I'm excited, for one, to see Adam Dunn in a place where he could very easily become a folk hero (or a goat, although not the goat.) I'm also excited to see Ozzie Guillen pretend he likes to watch Adam Dunn play baseball. Question: Does Adam Dunn hit his 500th home run while on this contract? (He'll need to average 36.5—maybe 37, just to be safe in case they decide to stop awarding fractional home runs.) Does he hit 500 home runs?
Meanwhile, Mariano Rivera resigned with the Yankees. I'm going to eschew all sabermetric analysis here:
Mariano Rivera's career ERA: 2.23. His ERA last year: 1.80. His contract: Two years, $30 million.
Derek Jeter's career batting average: .314. His batting average last year: .270. His contract: ___________
Finally: The Jose Lopez Question is officially answered, the Mariners' low-OBP "15-to-20 homer guy" traded to Colorado for the equivalent of, say, Bryan Augenstein. Lopez's defense, which usually receives low marks, has actually fared well in the PBP metrics of late, although a lot of that's come at third base. If you're more inclined to believe the anti-hype, he's basically a slugging-heavy Skip Schumaker, right down to the awful 2010.
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We have the riot now
We need no other middle infielders.
check out VEB on facebook...just search groups for Viva El Birdos
by Dttl89 on Dec 3, 2010 5:16 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Terry-O
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Tarry-Oh
Too stupid and sissy-like to say that you want out.
You make the eyes of a million girls and think you'll make them shout.
by The Continental on Dec 3, 2010 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
Cheri Oteri?
Stupid offseason.
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Dec 3, 2010 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
I like it...
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
a very pleasant member of BCB warned us
seeing him on the basepaths might turn this into Oh Teri Ooooooh!!! $*!)%&)+
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
That's why I like Tarry-Oh. The whole baserunning thing.
Too stupid and sissy-like to say that you want out.
You make the eyes of a million girls and think you'll make them shout.
by The Continental on Dec 3, 2010 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
So, is Tallet's name pronounced
with the second ‘t’, or without, as in the French manner, like Tallay? And if it’s the latter, can we put the emphasis on the first syllable instead of the second, and say “Tally-ho!” whenever he trots in from the bullpen?
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 3, 2010 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
sadly, the 't' is pronounced
emphasis, on the first syllable, making is sounds like “towelette”
can’t wait til it rains
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
Tallet To The Hand would be out of question if this were the case.
I didn't know that chivalry still existed in your "semi-savage country":http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0068361/
by The Classical on Dec 3, 2010 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
Thundercats?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Aaron Miles for the role of Snarf
I didn't know that chivalry still existed in your "semi-savage country":http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0068361/
by The Classical on Dec 3, 2010 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
Hay, the Goat, She's a Gone-a!
http://twitter.com/eddymk/status/10463181029769217
My intense hatred of JASON MARQUIS keeps me warm and toasty at night. Believe!
:=8O
Ron Santo passed away this morning
Fell into a coma Wednesday and passed away this morning due to complications from bladder cancer.
RIP.
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
listening to the cubs wont be the same
This guys so good(Pujols) He should be illegal-Pirates announcers
Wow, I am sorry to hear
That really is surprising. I always liked him.
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 3, 2010 9:34 AM EST up reply actions
This is horrible news.
The Cubs organization will not be the same without him.
Our thoughts and prayers go out to his family.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Wow...sad to hear. He was the heart of that franchise and fan base.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I never thought that I would have the reaction that I did
I heard the news on my way to work while listening to Mike and Mike. I sighed and said “Oh no….” I guess being baseball fans in general sometimes transcends the divide between rivals. I’ll never get my wish of hearing Shannon and Santo in the same booth for a Cards/Cubs game :(
Meanwhile, the Cardinals had the great silencer standing on the mound for the opener. His name is Carpenter, and, to quote James Brown, papa don't take no mess.
by FredbirdisaDork on Dec 3, 2010 10:19 AM EST up reply actions
doh
I helped take care of a guy who had bladder cancer, it’s not fun. Ron was fun to listen to. Sucks to hear this
Santo had a tough road, to be sure.
He was a fan’s fan, which made his broadcasts maddening to listen to.
Always on the outside looking in to the HoF.
He’ll be missed.
Too stupid and sissy-like to say that you want out.
You make the eyes of a million girls and think you'll make them shout.
by The Continental on Dec 3, 2010 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
my love of santo was a bit twisted
when things were about to go wrong for the cubs, I would frequently switch over to the WGN broadcast just to hear him lose his composure. hearing him yell over Pat Hughes in the background ‘Oh no!!!’ or ‘What was he thinking!?’ always cracked me up.
Despite my dislike for the cubs, i was genuinely upset to hear this sad news this morning. He was an icon and seemed like a decent guy too. My heart goes out to cub fans.
can we talk about descalso?
Where does he fit into this picture? And what about tyler green? Shouldn’t they at least be a part of this conversation?
by rumors on Dec 3, 2010 7:32 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I have read
on this blog that Greene has a better glove than Ryan. is that true? If i was the one making these decisions I would have to take a long look at keeping Ryan at SS and playing Theriot at 2B. Greene would be the MI backup and Schu would be moved. Descalso would be in Memphis one more year.
I guess that if Greene’s glove is that good the front office feels that Ryan is an extra piece, and can get more in return than Schu. Who knows? I am just a hick from upstate NY
I wouldn't say he's better than Ryan
But Greene has shown glimpses of brilliance at short. He suffers from poor judgement leading to errors (like Boog… and I guess like Kozma)
Padres' RFL for GG!
well, if Greene
Can lift his defense then it seams he would be more vaulable than Ryan. Interesting Greene may be the better glove between him, Schu and Theriot and he will not start.
Greene has yet to prove. . .
that he can hit at a major league level.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Dec 3, 2010 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
Some might say the same thing about Brendan Ryan.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 3, 2010 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
I would be counted. . .
in that choir.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Dec 3, 2010 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
Greene has had very few opportunities.
his 2009 line in memphis (2010 was weird because he was hurt and requires compiling a lot of different stats):
.291 .369 .482 with 31 stolen bases.
he is also 2 years younger.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Not like Kozma.
There is no comparing Brendan Ryan to Pete Kozma.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I'm not really saying they are exactly alike
it just seems that our SS in the high minors/majors seem to have great range, but they make poor decisions that lead to throwing errors. I wonder if this is just coincidence or if this has something to do with the way these guys are being taught in the low minors. Kozma, Greene, and Ryan all have excellent range, it just seems like they try to force things and do too much. Sometimes it’s just better to put it in your pocket and not hurl it to first.
Padres' RFL for GG!
if Greene is better than Ryan with the glove, we have one of the best shortstops in the majors on our hands, since he would probably outhit Ryan as well
but I don’t think he’s that good at defense, he’s just not in the same class.
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 3, 2010 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
then stop reading and actually watch him with the glove and you'll know it's not true
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
literally nobody has said that Greene was better on D than Ryan....
i mean i don’t even have a faint memory of one person saying it so i’m not really sure where you got that from
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 3, 2010 11:47 PM EST up reply actions
there is this house they they will be sharing this season..
it has the sign “boog” over it.
but he is probably vacating it soon sooo..
colby rasmus already lives there..
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
/cowfail
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
by prophetjohn on Dec 3, 2010 2:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
non tenders
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/12/interesting-non-tenders.html
john maine too
This guys so good(Pujols) He should be illegal-Pirates announcers
Jay, Craig, or Skip as a defensive replacement in RF depending on the scenario
Lineup:
1. Theriot
2. Cust
3. Pujols
4. Holliday
5. Rasmus
6. Freese
7. Molina
8. Jared
Skip and Theriot are completely interchangeable as they both are/would be terrible leading off. Cust’s strikeout numbers worry me somewhat, but 2-6 would be pretty formidable at the very least.
by The Classical on Dec 3, 2010 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
A Skip / Theriot platoon
would be decidely non-terrible leading off IF (and that’s a big if, hence the caps), they can return to their 07-09 levels of offensive production.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Dec 3, 2010 10:07 AM EST up reply actions
Theriot is better against lefties, that's an interesting idea
But one of them alone as a leadoff guy would make me nervous. They have both put up good OBP in past years, but I would not like to bet on it. However, Tony doesn’t necessarily pay attention to OBP in the leadoff spot so I’m sure one of them would end up hitting there regardless.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Too much of a base clog...
…for batting second, as I see it.
My intense hatred of JASON MARQUIS keeps me warm and toasty at night. Believe!
:=8O
I disagree
He K’s a lot, right? That means fewer double plays in front of Pujols. He doesn’t need too much speed in front of Pujols either, he just needs to be a smart baserunner and not get himself out.
I don’t see the need for speed at the top of the order since our best hitters tend to be clumped there. Save it for the bottom when it will make more of a difference and take extra bases on singles, swipe a base to try to score from second on singles, etc.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
That's an Interesting Point..
…I just wince at the idea of Cust and Pujols back to back on the base paths – it seemed like Pujols hit into a lot of DPs this year, maybe because of his injuries. Cust might be the second coming of Duncan in the OF though…
My intense hatred of JASON MARQUIS keeps me warm and toasty at night. Believe!
:=8O
Yeah, I don't know how realistic it is to count of Cust as a full-time position player
I also forgot about the possibility of increasing Albert’s DPs… anyway I was mostly playing devil’s advocate since I think it’s a pretty slim chance we go for someone like Cust.
Albert hit into the same amount of double plays last year as in 2009. He has averaged about 20 a year (203 in ten years actually, pretty darn close to 20/yr) and has been pretty consistent with that. So he didn’t actually hit more double plays last year than normal (it was 23, 2003 and 2008 stick out with only 13 and 16 respectively, also the years with his highest BA, so that probably didn’t have much to do with faster people in the second spot. Those were his two highest BABIP years as well) even though, like you, I felt like he did.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Your perception might be because opposing pitchers pitched around him a lot with runners on base.
So, when they did pitch to him, and he hit into a double play, it stuck out more in your mind. Also, even Pujols’s grounders are hit hard, so it is even easier to double him up.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Dec 3, 2010 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
Does That Mean that Miles Hits into Less DP?
Miles for batting second!
;=8)
My intense hatred of JASON MARQUIS keeps me warm and toasty at night. Believe!
:=8O
Probably something like that
Anyway, it was interesting.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Pujols grounded into 23 DPs in 2010
the same as in 2009.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 4, 2010 12:01 AM EST up reply actions
Is that Jared
from Subway at 2nd? Could be an upgrade…
I want more... More baaaacon!
Jim Gaffigan
by blueinmemphis on Dec 3, 2010 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
There was a Twitter Unicorn appearance with the mention of Jack Cust
Meanwhile, the Cardinals had the great silencer standing on the mound for the opener. His name is Carpenter, and, to quote James Brown, papa don't take no mess.
by FredbirdisaDork on Dec 3, 2010 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
I've been on this bandwagon for a while
I am interested in seeing what CraigJay can do, but someone like Cust is definitely interesting to me. If he can’t handle right, maybe take Holliday up on the offer to move to right himself, put Cust in left?
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
If we move Holliday to RF
then the possibilities for LF open up. Cust would be a nice power bat to have on the roster but I wouldn’t want to start him in RF on a regular basis.
SIGN LASTINGS MILLEDGE
That’s the name that jumps off the page to me. I suspect, however, that some team will actually give him a major league deal.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Dec 3, 2010 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
reasoning
Milledge has the profile of a guy that could really be helped by getting good coaching. He has been with three organizations (i.e. Mets, Pirates, Nationals) that aren’t exactly renowned for good instruction or knowing how to handle young players.
The guy was a top 10 prospect in all of baseball after hitting 277/388/440 in AAA as a 21 year old. Since then, he has bounced around among three different organizations, riding the AAA to majors to AAA shuttle more often than not.
He’s not been great either at the plate (269/328/394) or at the field (-16.8 UZR as a CF for the Nationals in 08, 1.8 UZR in a partial 09, mostly in the corners, -0.8 in 2010 exclusively in the corners), but he hasn’t been that bad, either. He’ll just be 26, and might benefit from a more stable treatment.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Dec 3, 2010 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
His tools never seemed to materialize...
:=8/
My intense hatred of JASON MARQUIS keeps me warm and toasty at night. Believe!
:=8O
He'd be worth a minor league deal, IMO....
but udder than that….
My intense hatred of JASON MARQUIS keeps me warm and toasty at night. Believe!
:=8O
Someone will likely
give him a major league deal, but a small one. I’d be on the phone with his agent RIGHT NOW to see if I could get something done. He’s like a DJ Tools, only one who has shown that at worst he can be better than a replacement level player at the ML level.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Dec 3, 2010 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
Of Course...
…we have our own udder-performing Toolsy Guy, but I suppose it cudn;t hurt to have an-udder – one of them may pan out!
My intense hatred of JASON MARQUIS keeps me warm and toasty at night. Believe!
:=8O
Stable treatment from TLR?
That might do more harm than good. But I agree, he’s intriguing.
"It's true what they say: (Baseball) and women don't mix. It's like eating a spoonful of Drano; sure, it'll clean you out, but it'll leave you hollow inside." -- with apologies to Leslie Nielsen.
by Futility Infielder on Dec 3, 2010 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
Ludwick part deux?
"I got to get Dr. Freeze off my twig right now."-Nyjer Morgan
by flipthebird15 on Dec 3, 2010 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
sherrill is the only player there i want
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
in bed.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
brings a whole new meaning to the term loogy
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
I thought that was after....
;=8)
My intense hatred of JASON MARQUIS keeps me warm and toasty at night. Believe!
:=8O
sorry no, i do not swing that way
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
Andrew Miller?
Former 1st round pick, could be this years Duncan reclamation project…
Amaury Cazana for RF in 2011 - the legend will never die!
I've long advocated
for a lefty long-man in the Darren Oliver mold. Big groundballer who walks too many batters? Sounds like someone Dunc can work his magic on.
Guys like Bradley are exactly why we can't have a pumpkin patch anymore.
Peralta seems interesting...
too bad we are literally stuffed with right-handed relievers
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 3, 2010 11:50 PM EST up reply actions
Any Interest from the Scrap Heap???
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/nontenders2011
Cust is a plodder who dings and swings, but he also draws a lot of walks. Trouble is, apart from his D, where do you bat this elephant?
Edwin Encarnacion – gives us insurance at third, as well as a lot of errors. I am inclined to lean on Lil’ Carp instead, if Taste’s ankles do the old heave ho again…
Josh Fields is still around, but his D ain’t much better and he hits even worse, so pass.
Want an interesting experiment? Sign Scott Hairston and stick him back at second to see what happens. Not mooch better than Skip? Probably not….
Bobby Jenks: lots of K’s, lots of ground outs, and lots of walks. Still he cud be a useful guy in the ‘pen, and might allow us to trade away someone to upgrade elsewhere. He may be too expensive, though. Still, he’s worth kicking the tires…
Classic lead-off guy with some speed? Well there is Fred Lewis, a guy who’s put up 4.7 WAR in just over 1500 PAs. he can give you about 20 steals with about a .350 OB%, but he seems to be a bad outfielder with a noodle arm. Not the kind of guy u want as a corner OF, and he certainly won’t be in center. Chief Justice is a better play…
John Maine? Gives up way too many hits, many of them dingers, and has a low ground ball out rate, so PASS…
Russell Martin as a back-up catcher? intriguing idea – before his injury RMart has some pop, some speed, and cud take a walk or two, while providing seemingly adequate D. Then came the hip injury, and now he’s slow and has about as mooch pop as Happy Scrappy Hero Pup (Miles). He can still walk, though, and if Anderson is really in the doghouse then he would be an ok pick up, but I’d sooner see Anderson given a chance.
Hideki Okajima as LOOGY? Hmmm, Okie has been effective for the Sawks, although his career is in a 4 year spiral. He is healthy and has decent splits, but his walk rate scares me, especially to lefties who he should be clubbing like baby seals. I cud see signing him to a minor league conwtract as insurance…
Ronnie Paulino as back-up catcher? Maybe not the best hitter, but has decent D marks – he hovers right around .700 OPS for his career. TLR likes defensive minded back-ups, so I guess this is a possibility, but I’d sooner have an offensive-minded back up to Moolina…
Former Oriole Chris Ray is available too; his first couple of years he was useful in the ’pen, but now sports a career 4.57 FIP and a 38% ground ball out rate, so pass….
George Sherrill might be a decent LOOGY except he is all over the place with his numbers: one year he has 11 K/9, an-udder he’s down to 6, one year he gives up zero dingers, an-udder its almoost 1.5/9. His career GB% is around 35%, even worse than former Oriole mate Chris Ray.
Chien-Ming Wang – we all know what he can do: low K’s but high GB%, and until his DL trip he cud be relied upon at least as an innings gobbler. That he’s been released by the Nats does not bode well; I don;t have an injury update on this guy, but he may be worth a minor league signing if there is hope for a return. JP Howell is also available for those who wish upon an injured star…
Hmmm, that’s about it, apart from obvious dead cats we want no part of like Augie Ojeda or Eric Threets. Some, like Ryan Church or Willy Aybar might be useful on udder teams as 4th OF or MI depth, but we don’t need that. Is there anyone else available that we should give a long, hard look at?
My intense hatred of JASON MARQUIS keeps me warm and toasty at night. Believe!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Dec 3, 2010 10:14 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I'd be willing to bet that Tony Gwynn Jr.'s dad ruined his swing
But it looks like it might be fixable.
speaking of swinging and fixing
how’s things with that new job opportunity you mentioned a couple weeks back?
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
best of luck TPG!
I hope it’s an opportunity with a NL Central team. So you can go about breaking their players much in the manner you destroyed Andres Torres!
Just kidding! I hope it works out for you. I’ll keep my fingers crossed.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Maybe, but we got CF covered...
….and Gwynn doesn’t hit for power, or anything else, to be a decent corner OF. Like Church, I see him as a 4th OF, or maybe a starting CF for as team with no udder choices.
My intense hatred of JASON MARQUIS keeps me warm and toasty at night. Believe!
:=8O
I could see him as a 4th
Maybe a defensive replacement.
He also doesn’t hit for power now, but I’m not convinced that he can’t. Torres was the same way before he changed his swing and approach.
I'm not sure why we would need him with jay and craig on the roster
and skip is pretty much the 5th outfielder.
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 3, 2010 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
I think in that case, you try and trade Jay while his value is at its greatest.
Personally, I wouldn’t mind seeing a platoon of Craig and Cust in LF and Holliday in RF. I like Cust’s OBP ahead of Pujols, and I like the thought of having a power bat constantly available on the bench. If they were to do this, they need to have a 5th OF who’s focus is D and speed (Late innings replacement D and pinch runner)
Padres' RFL for GG!
sorry, thought I was still in the "sign Jack Cust" section
although Gwinn as the back-up behind a Cust/Craig, Rasmus, and Holliday would work for me.
Padres' RFL for GG!
Crazy idea
If they were to do this, they need to have a 5th OF who’s focus is D and speed
Brendan Ryan?…
by JWO on Dec 3, 2010 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
Because I think he's got the speed and glove to back up CF
I’m not sure Jay and Craig do. I see them as corner guys, one of whom is redundant.
Can Jay play a solid CF?
Jenks interests me, but...Franklin cockblocks that acquisition I'm assuming.
http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2010/12/3/1852427/closet-porker
I’m also on board with signing Cust as I mention above.
Sherrill is the only other name on the list that interests me, and who I realistically think the Cardinals would go after. The recent Tallet/Valdes signings makes me think Mo and TLR are content with the LOOGY situation for now unfortunately.
by The Classical on Dec 3, 2010 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
He would be decent depth....
…not sure he is reliable as a closer anyway. Still, I like the combo of K’s and GB%…
My intense hatred of JASON MARQUIS keeps me warm and toasty at night. Believe!
:=8O
Bobby Jenks has lost serious velocity
and honestly all during 2010 he appeared to be on the way downhill. At least on TV, he didn’t appear to have that great a control over his breaking ball, which makes his velocity an even bigger problem.
It would appear that he's lost some confidence in the curve
but overall his velocity is on par with his career numbers according to Fangraphs
by The Classical on Dec 3, 2010 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
yeah, i saw a fair amount of jenks last year
his velo was great, mid-90s heat generally. his control comes and goes, so he’s prone to month-long wanderings in the desert. he’ll likely get $4-5M/yr tho, so i don’t see him as a fit on the cards
Actually, he's probably the best fit for the Cards
as he’s actually a proven closer that is relatively cheap. Paying $4-5 mil on Jenks is better than paying $9+ mil on the Fuentes’ of the world. I’m not condoning this move though, as I feel our pen is solid enough and one of Motte/Sanchez/Boggs may be ready to fill in for a struggling/injured Franklin. I’m just saying that this would at least make sense for the Cards (especially if we weren’t already paying Franklin).
Padres' RFL for GG!
i agree he'll probably be a relative value
compared to other closers, but i don’t think we really need one. we could better use that money on lohse insurance or a respectable bench for once. that was why i don’t see the fit.
I would love a healthy Yankees-era Chien-Ming Wang
Minor league deal.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Yes. Ground ball heaven.
Is there a hidden injury or remnants?
born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red
I thought it was something like that too
I know he’s had a hell of a time trying to get back to form. I think it probably wouldn’t bear fruit, but don’t see harm in offering him a minor league deal.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Not sure what his status is at the mooment...
My intense hatred of JASON MARQUIS keeps me warm and toasty at night. Believe!
:=8O
I'm assuming we probably won't be able to afford him
but if he’s cheap, why the hell not?
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 3, 2010 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
See Muldar, Mark...
:=8/
My intense hatred of JASON MARQUIS keeps me warm and toasty at night. Believe!
:=8O
He wants 8-10 million (noted in October by MLBTR)
Brendan Ryan is still a St. Louis Cardinal.
Aaron Miles is not.
re: sherrill's instability - now is a perfect time to catch up on your posts from last weekemd, moo.
I kind of like the encarnacion option – seems like a good backup at third for freese, as well as a corner OF, in the mix with jay and craig.
I wouldn’t mind kicking the tires on wang, though, I wouldn’t pay too much.
Cust seems like a decent value, even with his D.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
by tom s. on Dec 3, 2010 11:44 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
you said "Wang"
maturity.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
I agree with you.
I would have more interest in LaRoche than in Encarnacion.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Dec 3, 2010 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
I think LaRoche is damaged goods
He hasn’t hit for shit since his wrist injury and I don’t think ’s ever recovered from it.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 3, 2010 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
Hm.
Somehow I was unaware that he had a wrist injury. Otherwise I’d see him as at least an interesting sign.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
It may have been a thumb injury....
In any event, his power disappeared thereafter and never really came back. Maybe it’s his swing (he generates gobs of grounders and popups), his wrist/thumb, or some combo thereof, but he sure isn’t the same guy who was once a hotshot power-hitting prospect.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 3, 2010 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
That makes him the opposite of Encarnacion,
Slick fielder who can’t hit vs hitter who stands near 3B. He’s also cheaper than Enc and has a better track record (he did hit at one point, and many times it takes a while for a player to completely get over a big injury (see Carpenter, Chris)).
Enter vivaelpujols
My great wit allows me to interject that by assuming the partakers of this conversation are inbedded and perhaps romantically entangled, rather than indeed, the truthful observation that they are both platonic and standing upright. Great comedy may be produced!! -Aranathor
i rec'd this, purely on effort
a really hustle play.
cust, paulino and sherrill are all mildly interesting to me for the cards
i'm not reading all of that
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
Russell Martin
I’d take a one-year flyer on Martin at about $2M. The problem is that he’s looking for a contract that gives him around $5M. I think paying a backup more than our starter would be problematic.
by JWO on Dec 3, 2010 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
Could you get him cheaper after a career year?
maybe less years but not sure <$14 mil annually…
Chicago Cubs: The first century was funny...this second one is just sad...
Yeah, I have a Twitter...big whoop...wanna fight about it?
Sure, but it's not either/or for the Sox
they need both a DH and a 1st baseman. Konerko likes Chicago and Jerry Reinsdorf may call him and he’ll immediately say “OK” but I believe there is competition for Konerko.
really?
I think he’ll regress next season. I hope they end up with both of them though
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 3, 2010 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
Bold prediction
Albert will sign his new contract on Christmas Day…
This week, Cardinals general manager John Mozeliak said he and Pujols’ representatives have had some discussions about future discussions.
2011.
(I mentioned this yesterday, but I find this statement to be amusing.)
Talking about talking is not actually talking
It’s just talking.
by thepainguy on Dec 3, 2010 11:28 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It gets serious when they start talking about talking about talking.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
yeah but the first rule of talking about talking about talking
is that you don’t talk about it
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
Also, I decided to go and check out if there had ever been a plaid team out of curiosity
Bam!
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Dec 3, 2010 11:53 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Pajamas Much???
:=8/
My intense hatred of JASON MARQUIS keeps me warm and toasty at night. Believe!
:=8O
Playing in flannel
Bet it feels good on those cold October nights.
by JWO on Dec 3, 2010 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
I kinda dig these 1915 St. Louis Terriers (Federal League) uniforms.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Also, according to this 1918 is the first year the Cards uniforms actually said "Cardinals"
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
they look like the Phillies
and, just for the record, i really don’t like pinstripes. somehow, only the Yankees have pulled off the look without looking like they’re wearing PJs.
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
It's a shame they only wore them from 1930-32.
A modified, updated version would look great next season on the road a la the “Los Angeles Dodgers” uniforms they’re sporting currently.
I’m devoted to the blue road caps however.
by The Classical on Dec 3, 2010 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
espn.com says Ian Desmond is on the block....
I guess I didn’t realize how bad he is defensively, but if we trade Boog he might not be a bad option. He’s cheap and still pretty young so there’s always a chance he will improve.
by mick311 on Dec 3, 2010 12:10 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I Would Rather...
…have had Desmond instead of The Riot, but no use crying over spilled moo juice…
:=8/
My intense hatred of JASON MARQUIS keeps me warm and toasty at night. Believe!
:=8O
I doubt we could've gotten Desmond for the Hawk
I doubt the Nats have given up on him either
You can't spell 'Inebriated' without 'Aranathor'
Forsooth and Verily
I saw a lot of Nats games on MASN
Here in the mid-Atlantic. I liked Desmond and thought the Nats believed he was a keeper.
Note to self: no questionable use of pejoratives today
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
damn right, you reta...
oh i see what you did thar…
You can't spell 'Inebriated' without 'Aranathor'
Forsooth and Verily
yeah, you use pejoratives
like a — well, like someone who is not well known for using pejoratives appropriately
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
only an asian would say that
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
by d-dee on Dec 3, 2010 2:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
using a dictionary as defense makes you an idiot
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
hardly.
even pocket dictionaries are quite heavy.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
that only mean you're strong
but still dumb
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
the smart guy
is the one who survives
and then lives to throw the dictionary
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
the smarter guy cut a hole in the dictionary to hide a pistol
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
the smartest guy doesn't need to open the dictionary to use it
for instance, pejorative comes from the Latin comparative pejor, i.e. malus, peior, pessimus.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
the smartest guy gets wedgies and his head in the toilet on a regular basis in school
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
actually, he's the one making money off the dumber kids.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
the even smarter guy cuts a hole in his Bible to hide his rock hammer
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 4, 2010 12:02 AM EST up reply actions
urdoinitrong
no Shawshank allusions.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 4, 2010 12:21 AM EST up reply actions
the thought the smarter guy cut a hole in the box
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
Question
If I say “Hey, don’t fuzz the baseball at me,” do people here understand what I’m saying? I don’t know if this is a “my town” sort of phrasing or not but I raised a few eyebrows using the word “fuzz” as a verb.
I thought I told you to trim those sideburns!
I have no idea what it means
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
My brother and at least one good friend
from the area would understand “Don’t fuzz it at me”
I thought I told you to trim those sideburns!
Neither of my brothers nor any friends from my area would understand
“Don’t fuzz it at me.”
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Dec 3, 2010 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
Well, what does it mean?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
No Dunn does not hit his 500th under this contract...
he’s been consistent, but four more years of it is too much to ask. As for Jeter he’ll get something with a bunch of bells and whistles to make it look bigger than it is and it will be hard to determine what exactly it amounts to.
Screw you, you freakin stats nerd
Why no Beckham-esque contracts?
Something that includes merchandising payments and others to reflect intangible worth?
That way you could say it’s potentially worth up to a gazillion dollars and be right, but the Yankees only have to lay out a hard $15 million.
Anyone remember the extraneous details of Kevin Brown's K?
Something to do with using the team (or owner’s) private jet? I’m guessing these days, most overpaid superstars have their own jets.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 4, 2010 12:30 AM EST up reply actions
what's the park effect like at Comiskey?
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 3, 2010 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
probably doesn't matter that much, the dude usually hits no-doubters
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 3, 2010 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
Huge launching pad...
especially to right field. Perfect for Dunn.
Screw you, you freakin stats nerd
wind usually swirls and blows out from the plate to various parts of the OF at field level
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
Why the skepticism?
Here are Dunn’s HR numbers the past seven seasons: 46, 40, 40, 40, 40, 38, 38. He needs 146 over four years. That’s 36.5 a season. And he’s likely going to be ensconced at 1B or as a DH, meaning he can concentrate on his bat.
I think he makes it.
by JWO on Dec 3, 2010 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
+1
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 3, 2010 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
At 31 he's past his peak...
and his peak was obviously around 40 per year… Therefore, it seems unlikely he’ll average 36.5. If he goes on the DL at any point for 8 weeks, his yearly average will have to be more like 39.
The fact that he’s going to a friendly place to hit might allow him to make it, but ages 31-34 are almost always less productive than ages 27-30.
Screw you, you freakin stats nerd
Injury history
If he goes on the DL at any point for 8 weeks, his yearly average will have to be more like 39.
Here are the number of games he’s played the past seven seasons: 161, 160, 160, 152, 158, 159, 158. You never know what could happen, but he doesn’t look like an injury risk to me. (Actually, those numbers are kind of insanely good…).
by JWO on Dec 3, 2010 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
Guys break down in their thirties...
if you look at some of his comps – Delgado, Killebrew, Stargell, etc… you’ll see a decline in performance and games played.
Screw you, you freakin stats nerd
guys, i know 4/40 sound like a lot
but look at the lohse’s innings totals throughout his entire career!
13 months later…
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
I hope they don't waste money on a backup catcher
Bryan Anderson is already on the roster
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 3, 2010 2:00 PM EST reply actions
TLR loves redundancy
i’m sure he can find an excuse to pick up a gritty backup.
actually i don’t think he needs an excuse
You can't spell 'Inebriated' without 'Aranathor'
Forsooth and Verily
OT: Anyone else ever had a hangover thats lasted 2 days?
Cause i still feel f’n awful from wednesday, hope it doesn’t mean my liver’s thrown in the towel.
You can't spell 'Inebriated' without 'Aranathor'
Forsooth and Verily
Sucks not being 18 anymore, huh?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
i'm only 19 goddamnit
my body shouldn’t give up just yet.
You can't spell 'Inebriated' without 'Aranathor'
Forsooth and Verily
Oh...well ya, your probably fucked then.
Only one way to tell for sure. Have a drink.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I planned on that for years.....
now I’m hosed.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I thought 30 was much more striking than 40
For one thing, my back suddenly started hurting out of nowhere.
I was fine til 40 and then knees and back just went to hell almost overnight.
and i don’t bounce back from the hooch as fast as I used to…although there is alot more restriant than when I was 20. LOL
by RollBirdsRoll on Dec 3, 2010 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
My Warrenty Expired at 40 too...
..and every year something else needs to get jury-rigged…
:=8(
My intense hatred of JASON MARQUIS keeps me warm and toasty at night. Believe!
:=8O
Same.
30 was easy, 40 hasn’t been nearly as much fun.
Too stupid and sissy-like to say that you want out.
You make the eyes of a million girls and think you'll make them shout.
by The Continental on Dec 3, 2010 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
alcohol poisoning?
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
it is entirely possible
but it was only a short… 12 hour…. bender, erm.
You can't spell 'Inebriated' without 'Aranathor'
Forsooth and Verily
dude, you're british
act like it
12 hours is a bender for 5 year old little buggers
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
I see what your saying
a hangover is the body’s way of telling you that you’ve not drunk enough!
of course, i will test this theory immediatly.
You can't spell 'Inebriated' without 'Aranathor'
Forsooth and Verily
by Aranathor on Dec 3, 2010 2:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
in the name of science, obviously
You can't spell 'Inebriated' without 'Aranathor'
Forsooth and Verily
Best way to deal with a hangover is to keep drinking.
Brendan Ryan is still a St. Louis Cardinal.
Aaron Miles is not.
my first drunk yielded a 2 day hangover
whiskey, grain alcohol and grape juice were involved.
It’s been almost 12 years, and i still can’t drink grape juice.
Don’t worry about the liver, it is one of the resilient organs in your body. And it heals incredibly quickly.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
I had a similar experience with Tequila when i was sixteen
took me 2 years before i could drink it again.
You can't spell 'Inebriated' without 'Aranathor'
Forsooth and Verily
Tequila lead to me nearly being arrested in Japan a few years back.
A few friends and I were smashed on Patron and I eventually had to stop them from attempting to life a huge, stone Maneki Cat from outside of a pachinko parlor and hauling it to my car. As “luck” would have it, a policeman was standing there watching us the entire time and having a good laugh.
After failing in that endeavor, we separated somehow and eventually passed out in different alleyways. I literally awoke a couple minutes later to a giant Nigerian man yelling at me to wake up or he was going to “kick my teef in!” Apparently, I was impeding traffic to the shitty bar he was trying to lure people to.
Good times in the Roppongi District.
I didn't know that chivalry still existed in your semi-savage country.
by The Classical on Dec 3, 2010 2:48 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
*lift
Although if they brought it to life, that would have been more entertaining in retrospect.
I didn't know that chivalry still existed in your semi-savage country.
by The Classical on Dec 3, 2010 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
my last semester in champaign
late evening while studying for finals, i convinced a bunch of drunk friends that they should push the book-mobile trailer out into wright street and block traffic. they needed help, so of course i pitched in. we ran back to the dorm, and apparently a cop was watching the whole thing. he tracked me back to my room, but no one else got caught. i think it was because my dorm room was lit and it faced the street. The irony is that I was the only sober person and I took the fall for it. luckily, the owner of the trailer was a nice guy and he agreed not to press charges if i could round up a few ‘friends’ to push the trailer back into place.
What were you drinking?
I didn't know that chivalry still existed in your semi-savage country.
by The Classical on Dec 3, 2010 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
Lager, rum and coke and vodka redbull
You can't spell 'Inebriated' without 'Aranathor'
Forsooth and Verily
the only thing i know for certain is
there were 2 rums and coke (although it thought there was just 1)
probably about 5 pints of lager and… well lets just say ‘lots’ of vodka and red bull
You can't spell 'Inebriated' without 'Aranathor'
Forsooth and Verily
yes
this happens when not eating and mixing lots of different types of drinks. it also means you are getting old.
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 3, 2010 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
i had one of those when i was 19, worst hangover of my life
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
Yep.
Hopefully they gave her family an honorary Wii.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
'Strange' Way to go...
:=8/
My intense hatred of JASON MARQUIS keeps me warm and toasty at night. Believe!
:=8O
For you...
and your Bovine puns
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
if it's alcohol related, water is a bad idea
fruit juices, lemonade, milk – good
water – bad
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
Moo Juice is ALWAYS good!
;=8)
My intense hatred of JASON MARQUIS keeps me warm and toasty at night. Believe!
:=8O
not if it's expired
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
Buttermilk!
:=8D
My intense hatred of JASON MARQUIS keeps me warm and toasty at night. Believe!
:=8O
Moo Juice: even when its bad, its good!
;=8)
My intense hatred of JASON MARQUIS keeps me warm and toasty at night. Believe!
:=8O
What are your feelings on chocolate moo juice?
Should it share refrigeration with regular moo juice or be delegated to a separate, dilapidated storing compartment?
I didn't know that chivalry still existed in your semi-savage country.
by The Classical on Dec 3, 2010 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
no politics!
;-)
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
If it came from a cow, I'm all for it!
;=8)
My intense hatred of JASON MARQUIS keeps me warm and toasty at night. Believe!
:=8O
Filet mignon comes from cows...
Brendan Ryan is still a St. Louis Cardinal.
Aaron Miles is not.
by TBender on Dec 3, 2010 3:43 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
you racist you
and no mention of strawberry or banana milk
that’s even more racist!
shame on you sir, shame. on. you.
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
Tip from a professional drinker of over 27 years now:
Pedialyte before bed when finished drinking, and Pedialyte upon awakening, and another if needed in about an hour.
It’s amazing how well it works.
by RollBirdsRoll on Dec 3, 2010 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
what is that?
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 3, 2010 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
..
Link – Help your child rehydrate and feel better quickly, choose Pedialyte at the first sign of diarrhea and vomiting. Pedialyte is an oral rehydration solution specially formulated to quickly replace lost fluids and electrolytes due to diarrhea and vomiting. No wonder it’s the #1 pediatrician recommended brand. { and recommended by professional drinkers}
also, professional drinker makes it sound like you are in advertising
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 3, 2010 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
So Jim Thome at 3B good idea?
he would be nice to slot between Lego and Albert
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
Can Thome even walk any more?
I don’t mean walk as in take a walk, but actually move his legs.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
by RiverRat on Dec 3, 2010 3:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
he somehow hit 2 triples last year
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
i thought his back was so bad he couldn't even bend over anymore?
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
that's twice what Bengie Molina did last year
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Bengie Molina needs oxygen after saying the word 'triple'.
I didn't know that chivalry still existed in your semi-savage country.
by The Classical on Dec 3, 2010 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
that's what i'm sayin'.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Bengie Molina so fat
he makes yo momma look like…. someone who’s skinny
You can't spell 'Inebriated' without 'Aranathor'
Forsooth and Verily
YADIER MOLINA DOES NOT APPROVE OF ALL THIS TALK ABOUT OUR NEW BACKUP CATCHER
/wishful thinking
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
You might recall that Bengie Molina hit for the cycle this past season
on July 16.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 4, 2010 12:40 AM EST up reply actions
yeah but Molina didn't OPS 1.000 last or any year
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
I'm pretty sure both of those had something to do with
an outfielder lying on his stomach, having attempted and missed a diving catch.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 4, 2010 12:39 AM EST up reply actions
he has played 28 innings of defense, in general, in the last 5 years
no, it is not a good idea
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
Thome and Cust that will fix this teams OBP problems
and LH power mean DINGERs
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
no.
You hit dingers righty. Everyone knows this.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Cust and Thome can learn then
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
Lefties hit dongers.
I didn't know that chivalry still existed in your semi-savage country.
by The Classical on Dec 3, 2010 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
Because they swing the other way?
Ms Bitters (Invader Zim): Children, your performance was miserable. Your parents will all receive phone calls instructing them to love you less now.
by Rejuvenile on Dec 3, 2010 6:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Rec
I didn't know that chivalry still existed in your semi-savage country.
by The Classical on Dec 3, 2010 8:29 PM EST up reply actions
Also OT: But this made me laugh
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
spring training schedule released
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
who is Anthony Castrovince
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Pitchers and Catchers report on Ozzie 136
first exhibition game is Ozzie 151
today is Ozzie 64 in Albertofstan
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
almost halfway there...
hold on. be strong.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
plans A, B, C & D have all fallen through
HFS® i have no idea what i’m going to do now
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
Plan 9 from OUTER SPAAAACE.....
:=8O
My intense hatred of JASON MARQUIS keeps me warm and toasty at night. Believe!
:=8O
"We are interested in the future because that is where you and I will spend the rest of our lives..."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHRq80QNnJM
;=8)
My intense hatred of JASON MARQUIS keeps me warm and toasty at night. Believe!
:=8O
Get your CDL,
and take your show on the road.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
also a good Idea, in colorado they hire on the Natural Gas drilling rigs starting around 70,000
a year, in the Henderson Mine it is around 80,000
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
both hire heavy equipment operators in case my comments seem OT
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
If something happens to my situation....
I’m going OTR.Seems like there’s always someone looking for drivers.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
the thing about working the rigs is that there is room for advancement
my friend Duke is clearing 250 a year in Kazakhstan right now he spends 3 months there then a month at home
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
I'll never work a drill rig again.
Fuck that rough neck shit. I’m too old to start at the bottom rung of that business.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
true I guess you could transport heavy equiptment though
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
driving a truck is a good, maybe even a great job in the right situation
my grandpa, dad & uncle all made great money doing it. my grandpa & dad though never wanted that life for me. my dad literally killed himself so that i could have a better life & not settle for driving a truck like he did. i feel like i would be letting him down even more if that’s what i started doing.
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
it can be a means to an end as long as you use it that way
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
gdm, you're overthinking this
you have to pay the bills until businesses start hiring again
no one is saying make a career of driving a semi, just survive
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
i know, i know
it’s just all so deflating
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
"I have a cunning plan..."
“Yes, but let us not forget that you solved the problem of your mother’s low ceiling by cutting off her head.”
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 4, 2010 12:45 AM EST up reply actions
i spoke too soon, plan C still has a heartbeat
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
plan B is also on life support
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
ya, Walt is still an awesome GM
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
by gdm426 on Dec 3, 2010 3:56 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
for those firewall challenged members
Arroyo done with #Reds – three years, $35 million.
per Ken Rosenthal
by ubeddie on Dec 3, 2010 3:57 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He simply can't get enough of that Cincinnati chili.
Thanks, Walt.
Between this contract and Baker running the show, you’re giving us a fighting chance.
I didn't know that chivalry still existed in your semi-savage country.
by The Classical on Dec 3, 2010 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
Oh. My. God.
On the other hand Red Reporter had a poll question – would you sign Votto for 10/160 and most people said yes… So maybe they’ll be ok with this.
Screw you, you freakin stats nerd
I thinks thats even more insane
You can't spell 'Inebriated' without 'Aranathor'
Forsooth and Verily
If a small market team
Wants to tie up 30-40% of their resources on one guy, who could (heaven forbid) suffer a career-ending injury some night, I say all the power to them.
by JWO on Dec 3, 2010 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
sound familar?
He gets almost all his value by taking the hill every 5th day, and I mean EVERY fifth day. Dude hasn’t missed a start since, like, the Clinton administration. That is the kind of consistency you can set your watch to.
That’s the risk you take when you sign an aging pitcher to a lucrative extension. If I were a betting man, I’d say Arroyo is one of the safest bets in the game to keep on keepin’ on. But in order for this deal to work out, he almost has to.
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 4, 2010 12:14 AM EST up reply actions
and it's clear most of the RR commenters are dumbasses
i knew they were condescending assholes, but this just confirms that most of them don’t know what they are talking about
my favorite was that bronson gets better with age and that some guy doesn’t like the metrics and thinks he should be good… also he’s a sure bet to have 34 starts with an ERA under 4.00
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 4, 2010 12:20 AM EST up reply actions
The Reds had a great season. Then they got swept out
of the playoffs and signed Arroyo to a 35 million dollar contract. I guess life is cruel, even more so when you live in Ohio.
i'll mark this as evidence for why general managers are stupid
pretty much all of them
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 4, 2010 12:12 AM EST up reply actions
hey Vep
where can I find a league wide breakdown for things like Hr/AB for the so called steroid era
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
well that jump in 93 certainly backed my perception
that suddenly forcing 80 new AAAA players into MLB caused a jump in the HR rate
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
tango says that since the effect was league wide it wasn't expansion
but seems to forget that both expansion teams were made up of players that had to be replaced league wide with players that hadn’t been in MLB in 92
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
Our Middle Infield Rocks!
The Riot, Boog, and Skippy. I started thinking about this combination, and a weird image came to mind…
Can you picture that?
I will go ahead and bet my inheritance that won't happen
maybe a bit of Jeromy Burnitz or Tod Hollandsworth would be nice though
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
career .280 BABIP in seattle
if he can get some rockie luck he’ll be able to get a .340 BABIP and hit .320-.330
someone posted this on PR
Mariners Home BABIP for the last 5 seasons.
2010: .289
2009: .292
2008: .301
2007: .310
2006: .295
Average BABIP = .297
Rockies home BABIP numbers.
2010: .341
2009: .323
2008: .318
2007: .333
2006: .331
Average BABIP = .329
so against all odds CodyG you may have a point
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
Against a .336/.376/.598 line? yeah I still make that bet
a fun little exercise I did last week
Carlos Gonzalez
Age 24
Home .380/.425/.737 1.161OPS
Away .289/.322/.453 .775OPS
Matt Holliday
Age 24
Home .338/.406/.603 1.009OPS
Away .240/.287/.367 .654OPS
Todd Helton
Age 24
Home 354/.417/.585 1.002OPS
Away.273/.340/.470 .811OPS
Tulo(first full season)
Age 22
Home .326/.392/.568 .960OPS
Away .256/.327/.393 .719OPS
and by three years in…
Holliday
Age 27
Home .376/.435/.722 1.157OPS
Away .301/.374/.485 .860OPS
Helton
Age 26
Home .391/.484/.758 1.242OPS
Away .353/.441/.633 1.074OPS
Tulo
Age 25
Home .339/.403/.631 1.034OPS
Away .291/.358/.504 .863OPS
Gonzalez is a freaky talent I see him going the Holliday route of figuring out how to hit better on the road
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
do you think that kind of BABIP could skew UZR data?
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
Yeah, it would mean that plays are harder to field in Coors
Likely due to the size of the outfield and the line drive inducing conditions, right?
But, like I said, UZR is park adjusted. So that effect is mitigated (although it’s possible there is a Rockies UZR bias in the outfield).
It is really hard to say about there being a bias one way or the other
but the Pitch FX stuff I have seen say that Fastballs flatten out at Coors leading to an increase in solid contact.
The more solid contact made, the tougher a line drive or even a ground ball would be to field.
I hate to make big broad statements about UZR because I don’t have the data to back it up. I really liked the discussion linked to on BTB, I really think the tech is not yet available to measure defense objectively, and any defensive measure that is at it’s heart subjective I have a hard time placing faith in.
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
you would see this in an increased LD rate, yes?
Don’t know if they track that park by park. You could sample the 10 rockies w/ the most PAs and see if there’s a home/road LD split.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
by tom s. on Dec 4, 2010 12:26 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
They do track LD rate by park....
The numbers show a pretty wide variance.
The chart in this article is informative (the similarity between Coors, Gr. Am. Bpark and Busch, compared to say, Minute Maid, is instructive)
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/what-i-hate-about-line-drives
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 4, 2010 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
hmm. that's an interesting article.
a lot of hitter friendly parks are way up at the top – Coors, GABP, Rogers Center. but busch – which is generally, though not extremely, pitcher friendly – is up at the top, too. oakland and safeco are somewhat above average in LD rate, though petco is below average.
the article seems to assume implicitly that it’s a lot about the scorer bias at each stadium. it would be interesting to contrast the player experience at home and on the road in terms of LD.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
and yet the Rockies as a team have finished in the top 5 in BABIP once
during those 5 years
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
I don't know where he pulled the data
but I will ask him to provide those splits
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
here they are
2006 .289
2007 .311 Team Finished second overall
2008 .300
2009 .286
2010 .277
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
The thing is that guys who play here a while eventually become
decent hitters on the road(if they are a decent hitter to begin with) but young guys or guys in their first few years here have ridiculous splits
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
This is probably the saddest song I have ever heard.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
you're listening to Matt Elliott?
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 3, 2010 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
Whoops, here's a link
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
NO NO NO!!!!!
i have seen this once in my life and it scarred me for life
i am not watching this again
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
That video is the only time in my life I have ever cried.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
thanks for the soul punch
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
wow that hurts....
never lost a dog, but when my current one dies, it’ll be terrible
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 4, 2010 12:32 AM EST up reply actions
Tampa Bay Rays Draft
Here’s an entertaining tangential thought. The Tampa Bay Rays are looking at a ridiculous number of draft picks this coming year. How many you say? Well, here are the guys they offered arbitration to:
Carl Crawford (Type A)
Carlos Pena (Type B)
Rafael Soriano (Type A)
Brad Hawpe (Type B)
Grant Balfour (Type A)
Joaquin Benoit (Type B)
Randy Choate (Type B)
If all of these guys sign elsewhere (not impossible), that means the Rays will have TEN DRAFT PICKS out of the first (maximum) 66 picks this year. And did I mention the scouts are already talking about this draft as one of the strongest in years? Is this a case of the rich getting insanely richer?…
I’ve included a link to the Rays page where they discuss the possibilities…
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