The Jack Morris Awards: Edgar Renteria
by DanUpBaby on Dec 27, 2010 4:44 AM EST
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PrintIt's that time of year when Hall of Fame ballot articles start popping up on Baseball Primer and demanding our attention as people vote for all manner of undeserving players while promoting a maybe-someday approach for Jeff Bagwell, Barry Larkin, Bert Blyleven, et al. And the current trend in Hall-ballot-piss-offery regards Jack Morris, who is going to become a Hall of Famer because it was cool that one time when he pitched 10 innings.
The major statistical underpinning for Morris fans who aren't willing to give that Chris Farley Show explanation is that he won more games than any pitcher in the 1980s. Morris dominated his era—he had 22 wins more than Dave Stieb did in the 80s, and 117 more than Greg Maddux. He instilled fear in his opponents by dominating the 10-year era with which they exclusively identified more than any of the great pitchers of the 90s. A player who stepped into the batter's box in 1989 expecting to take advantage of old Jack's slow start had to reckon with the fact that, between 1980 and 1988, no player had been awarded more pitching wins.
That's what the Viva El Birdos Jack Morris Award is about: rewarding players who define a generation, strictly defined. And I'm proud, and humbled, to be able to award the first Jack Morris award to Edgar Renteria, the greatest base-stealer in St. Louis Cardinals history.
Base stealing in St. Louis has a proud and illustrious history, from the infamous hijinks of Arlie Latham to the free-wheeling Don Blasingame and the 10s-defining baserunning of Albert Pujols. But few players have ever dominated an era like Edgar Renteria, who stole an astounding 111 bases for the Cardinals in the aughts, rewriting the record book and leaving agape the comedians starring in VH1's upcoming nostalgia-TV series, I Love Cardinals Baseball In the New Millennium.
Between 2000 and 2009 Renteria stole more bases for the Cardinals than the second and third most prolific base-stealers combined, something Vince Coleman could only dream of doing. In fact, Renteria is only the second Cardinal ever to manage the feat.
Some in the sabermetric community have suggested that I'm slighting Lou Brock, the first player in Cardinals history to accomplish this feat, but I'm reluctant to give Brock this Jack Morris Award until the cloud surrounding his era begins to lift. Brock played at the height of the AstroTurf era, a shameful time in our national pastime's history where the game was artificially sped up and made bouncier to appeal to its fans' lowest common denominator.
I blame myself, as a journalist. We knew that something was strange about that grass, but we did nothing about it. Looking back at footage now it's incredible that none of us stood up and said something about that bright green color, or wondered, even for a moment, where all that dirt went. Perhaps we were caught up in the infield-hit fever ourselves, ready to further the collective delusion about our heroes. We wanted to think they were like us; we wanted to believe they played little-ball on a surface that needed to be mowed and watered, and we allowed ourselves to be naive.
I can't confirm that Lou Brock played on astroturf, because my guy in the research department hasn't gotten back to me yet. But nobody's safe from suspicion when we know just how freely players were taking advantage of our trust. Preliminary reports from the Moore commission suggest that some baseball fields didn't have any grass on them at all in those days. Everyone's a suspect—even Lou Brock.
In that climate it's more important than ever to recognize the real heroes—the ones who run on natural grass, even when it's kind of wet outside, but not too wet. Emerging at the end of the Astroturf Era, Renteria arrived in St. Louis ready to teach a city to love stolen bases again, and the show he put on between 2000 and 2004, specifically, is something I'll never forget.
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Stealing bases
Not only an art form, but exciting to watch. I wish TLR would employ a stronger base stealing program with more players.
Good-bye Boog, we hardly knew thee.
Keep those socks high, the stache long, and the shoulder wet.
I wish he would employ a basestealing program if we had more fast players
most of the players are slow to average at best. we traded away one of the fastest players on the team, Brendan Ryan, but I guess there’s still Rasmus and Jay. I wouldn’t mind seeing those two steal more, but I don’t think Rasmus has the wherewithal to get a good jump.
turn it up to '11
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 27, 2010 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
i wonder if we're going to put the reins on theriot
or let him go and be 50/50 at it
Your team is incompetently run by baseball equivalent of the captain from the Caine Mutiny -DiscoJer
I'm not sure how fast he is
but he definitely sucks at baserunning
turn it up to '11
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 27, 2010 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
but he's a Veteran, so it's OK
Not sure I've seen dumber baseball words: "Brendan Ryan became expendable after (Cardinals) acquired infielder Ryan Theriot." -Joe Posnanski
to change the subject
I know you are into progressive rock, and you’re from CA right? have you heard of the band Intronaut? check ‘em out if you haven’t yet
turn it up to '11
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 27, 2010 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
hadn't heard of them- thanks for the recommendation
Spent some time listening on youtube and the band itself seems pretty decent when they let themselves play… might try to catch them live sometime if they are playing somewhere like the key club. They seem like they’d be a good live band.
Unfortunately, I’m not into the harsh vocal sound-kind of feels like they just use the music to set up the vocals, ie jam for a bit, then stop jamming and scream for a bit, then stop screaming and jam again, etc, instead of using the vocals as an additional “instrument”, or as a lead to a female counterpoint. if they were able to actually integrate everything together they’d be much better overall, imho.
Not sure I've seen dumber baseball words: "Brendan Ryan became expendable after (Cardinals) acquired infielder Ryan Theriot." -Joe Posnanski
check out 'valley of smoke'
they sing more than scream on that album, their newest one from 2010
turn it up to '11
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 28, 2010 2:14 AM EST up reply actions
Speaking of the Hall of Fame
If Jimmy Ballgame limps through a couple more years and adds a bit to his counting stats will he get into the Hall?
Same with Rolen — does he end up in Hall? Personally I can see Edmunds getting in but as good as Rolen was, he just never felt like a HOF’r to me. I can see the argument for putting him in, but I’m more inclined that Edmunds would get a shot.
is albert in already? maybe they should let Albert (Decade 00) into the hall now and see if ALbert (Decade Teens) can also make the Hall.
Just win
Hall of Fame Third Basemen
For some reason, I thought there were 11 third basemen in the Hall of Fame, but apparently there are only 10 inductees for the position.
George Brett: .305/.373/.487/.860/.374 wOBA/317 HR/1,595 RBI/1,583 R
Scott Rolen: .284/.369/.498/.867/.373 wOBA/303 HR/1,212 RBI/1,154 R
And Rolen is one of the best defensive third basemen in history.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
He would've been a first ballot guy,
if it weren’t for the injury years.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Absolutely,
but if he has a few more productive years (which is entirely possible in that ballpark), he should be a Hall-of-Famer.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
agreed, he seems to be healed now.
When he left the birds, I wasn’t sure if he’d ever be able to hit a high fastball again.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Did you see the interview with Rolen on FOX
where they asked him why he was hitting better on the Reds than the Blue Jays and Rolen responded, “Honestly, the difference is the ballpark. More balls carry out of this ballpark and are home runs.”
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Yeah, a friend of mine was trying to argue field dimensions with me.
And how, if GABP was a hitter’s park, was BuschIII not a hitter’s ballpark? They’re almost the same size. I just said “How many more HRs get swatted out of GABP than Busch?”, Answer: " A bunch." He still doesn’t believe me, but then, he’s a Cub’s fan.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 27, 2010 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
I didn't......
Tis true though.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Rolen and Edmunds
may get some benefit of having achieved their success without steroids as well. As long as their name is not on the “under seal” list that the Feds have, they should be ok. I will say that if one of the big uses of steroids was to help heal from injuries, you have to wonder whether Rolen would have succumbed to the temptation when it looked like he wouldn’t ever get better.
Rolen wasn’t the friendliest of fellows so he may have to overcome some sportswriter bias whereas JED was Mr ESPN. I still say JED has a better chance.
Just win
To be fair, if the fans of his best know team can't spell his name correctly, is he really a Hall of fame player?
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Thanks, my OCD was about to go off.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Oh, I just thought we were still intentionally misspelling his name
that was a meme for a while, right?
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
I think that was Edwards
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
I dunno
I feel like a lot of people try really hard to find reasons why Edmonds wasn’t actually that good. “Oh, well, if he hadn’t played so shallow he would have had to dive and be dramatic all the time to make those great catches.” “He wasn’t that good a hitter, it’s not like he was Griffey or something.” Etc. etc. I have to assume there are at least some of this kind of naysayer among the voting ranks.
Not sure about Rolen, I think he is pretty much as deserving as Jimmy (I’d put them both in, definitely) but I don’t even have a guess as to how the voters will see him.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
You know, I think the same thing.
He went from playing in the same division with one of the best CF’ers of all time (Griffey) to a team where he wasn’t the best hitter and at times wasn’t even the 2nd best hitter.
Personally, I think he belongs in the Hall. The man was one of the best defensive CF’ers of all time and was a force with the bat for well over a decade. His peak years stack up with some of the all time greats.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
Both deserve to get in.
Who know’s if they will. HoF voters tend to get these things wrong, for nigh-idiotic reasons.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Because Jon Heyman
is an asshat.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I am not sure why you are comparing these two.
Brett was more of a “pue hitter,” hitting for much higher averages than Rolen ever did. And while he did play in a hitter’s park, it was on that suppressed power. Brett also player primarly in an era of pitcher dominance. Brett also get bonus points for his 1981 season and that fact he was the face of the royals for his whole career and by ll account he was a class act. Rolen’s peak came in the steroid era, the greatest era ever for slugging and he was twice traded for being a “problem” of some sort. The only similarities are they both player 3rd and they both aare “middle-of-the-order” guys.
Only time will teel, but I doubt Rolen makes the hall. I give Edmonds a better chance.
The St. Louis Cardinals- 11 time World Champions!
indeed
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
George Brett was a great hitter.
But, Rolen is a great fielder. Brett’s BA and hits totals may be higher, but Rolen’s fielding is superior. The rest will largely be equal. I think Rolen is a HOFer.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
George Brett was the better overall player imo
turn it up to '11
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 27, 2010 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
Brett played mostly 1b and DH'd from his age 34 year on
although he (rarely) played some OF and 3b in those later years.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 27, 2010 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
he was such a damn good hitter though
turn it up to '11
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 27, 2010 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
psshaw.....The guy never could hit .400.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Yeah, he was a good contact hitter.
Don’t get me wrong, I love good contact hitters. Brett had pop, too. He once hit 30 homers. That being said, his and Rolen’s offensive skillsets are roughly equal in terms of producing runs. And I would add that Rolen is a far, far superior defensive player.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
yeah
I guess we’ll have to see if he plays as long as Brett
turn it up to '11
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 27, 2010 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
I don't not agree with that
I’m just sayin’ that Rolen is pretty good as a hitter, and although not as good as Brett, he’s also an elite fielder, which I don’t believe Brett ever was considered to be (notwithstanding that ’85 piece of voting hardware, a GG).
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 27, 2010 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
I personally think Rolen has a better shot
Rolen – .373 wOBA, 153.1 defensively, 71.6 WAR, 3 7 WAR seasons (15 seasons)
Robinson – .322 wOBA, 294 defensively, 94.6 WAR, 4 7 WAR seasons (21 seasons)
Brett – .374 wOBA, 47 defensively, 91.6 WAR, 6 7 WAR seasons (23 seasons)
I think Edmonds should get in too though. If you look at the CFs in the Hall, you’ll find he’d rank 13th in OBP and 7th in slugging percetage out of 17 players. His homers would rank 4th and his RBIs would rank 8th. His defense was a plus, not quite Brooks/Rolen level, but most certainly enough to get him in. The problem is that Edmonds was the third best player on his own team which some voters may not look past (cough Jon Heyman)
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 27, 2010 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
which player are you talking about?
Anyway that probably speaks to how overrated Jeter is anyway
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 27, 2010 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
Hall of Very Good.
I believe they both deserve to be in. I think Rolen has a better chance than Edmonds, but given the voters who do the electing, both are destined for the HOVG, IMO.
Amaury Cazana for RF in 2011 - the legend will never die!
Hilarious
And you got a well-received posting at BTF: LINk
The Mang does more than Milton can
To justify God's ways to man.
awesome. yesterday was my seven year blogiversary
and I still get excited about BTF links.
by DanUpBaby on Dec 27, 2010 3:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
but...
Brett played in an era with lower offensive numbers overall. He also scores huge points with voters for playing on one team, and not being viewed as a villain by portions of two different fanbases that he played for.
That doesn’t mean that Rolen isn’t hall worthy though…
OPS+
George Brett: 135
Scott Rolen: 124
Of course, what kills Rolen’s OPS+ are his two injury-plagued seasons (‘05 and ’07) during his prime. Even so, he was well above average offensively for his era. Their respective OPS+’s (is that correct?) proves your point to an extent. Even so, OPS+ doesn’t change the fact that Rolen, Chipper, and A-Rod (kind of, I guess) are the only HOF candidates at third base for this era. I would also repeat that Rolen is a truly elite defender. It will be an interesting discussion. After all, if Bagwell isn’t a HOFer to voters, Rolen very may not be, either.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I never liked ops+ compzrisons from the steroid era to other eras. The increased homeruns and walks have completely skewed power driven ops+.
The St. Louis Cardinals- 11 time World Champions!
by Zubin on Dec 27, 2010 3:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'm trying to understand what you're saying.
I’m not wild about OPS, but OPS+ is a nice way to see how good an individual player was relative to the league average. It’s also park-adjusted. In fact, comparing players across eras in the context of how they performed relative to their peers is about the only thing I like OPS+ for. I don’t understand how increased walks and home runs could skew OPS+.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Because homeruns don't translate well across eras (IMO)
The St. Louis Cardinals- 11 time World Champions!
This may be the funniest thing
I have ever read on VEB…and that is saying a lot…
Chicago Cubs: The first century was funny...this second one is just sad...
Yeah, I have a Twitter...big whoop...wanna fight about it?
a friend who goes to my college
is something like the great-niece of don blasingame. small world, isn’t it?
Fire John Mozeliak & Tony LaRussa! (Good luck in Seattle, Boog!)
No
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
that's great
Your team is incompetently run by baseball equivalent of the captain from the Caine Mutiny -DiscoJer
do you guys actually spend all day on the internet
just to find stuff like this? this was funny.
Fire John Mozeliak & Tony LaRussa! (Good luck in Seattle, Boog!)
by zoomzoomj88 on Dec 27, 2010 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
I've spent the last decade on the internet, actually.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
yeah, at least the last decade for me as well
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
Even better
That makes her the great-great-niece (?) to Cardinal legend Walker Cooper, longtime catcher. Blasingame married Cooper’s daughter, Sara Cooper, who was Miss Missouri 1957.
I was reading about how countless species are being pushed toward extinction by man's destruction of forests. Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us. - Calvin, Scientific Progress Goes "Boink", Watterson
Beautifully done.
Heaven forbid all Astroturfers! They should never be recognized for even having played the game! They should have played handegg instead as a boycott to all things unnatural in the game of baseball!
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 27, 2010 10:48 AM EST reply actions
Awesome...
but you failed to recognize Brendan Ryan’s top 10 showing in SBs during the aughts. Perhaps a modest symbol of his achievement is warranted?
Sign Carl Pavano!!!
A LOT more than that.
Webb’s deal is pretty good to me. Pretty low risk.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
We gave Mulder $13M guaranteed...
but that was a ridiculous giveaway by Jocketty. The better comp is Carpenter – league minimum for the year we knew he wouldn’t pitch, then a club option for $2M. Granted that was a long time ago – there’s been inflation and clubs have caught on that this is a good way to find surplus value.
Webb hasn’t pitched in so long, and he’s been rather unimpressive according to reports… seems like it isn’t worth guaranteeing him much over the minimum.
Sign Carl Pavano!!!
3M was the average salary last year
that is pretty much league min for a former Cy Young winner.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
The most likely outcome is that he's worthless...
not to draw comparisons using just a few examples, but I believe all or almost all the signings in this vein did not work out last off-season. Shoulder injury + not playing for two years + bad velocity seems like a recipe for never being any good again. Then even if he is league average, he probably will top out at, what, 120 or 150 innings? That’s worth like 1-1.5 WAR. There’s no way he’ll have trade value in July b/c everyone will expect him to tire out, he’s a FA after the season, and he won’t bring a draft pick. Teams have to get a club option for these kinds of signings to be worth it imo.
Sign Carl Pavano!!!
Wow
If he can get $3 million this year, maybe he can get another $1.5 next year and then league minimum for as many years as he wants to keep trying — I guess that is what Prior has been doing. Hell, I’d keep doing that until the league wised-up. What a haul he could make for doing nothing. With a little luck and effort it’s possible he could make more lifetime money not pitching than pitching.
Just win
I'd bet Clement could have gotten at least two more ST invites/ Minor league deals
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
hey mattybobo
how do you like NCIS “”http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1502141/quotes?qt1004777" target="new">Code of Conduct" for Brendan Ryan? that was the halloween one with the prankster
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
what the heck, sbn
what do you have against me
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1502141/quotes?qt1004777
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 27, 2010 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
It hates us all.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I think that's probably a decent comp, given what we've learned
Not sure who is the “DiNozzo” type who stubbornly clings to the theory that the wife did it.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
there's a line in there about two types of guys in a unit
the ones who need to stay focused, and the ones who like to stay loose
they go on to talk about a breakdown in unit discipline, then beating up that jokester
i didn’t do a full one-to-one on the characters. couldn’t decide which Mr. Rogers is … “open up, or we send the kids in!”
heh heh heh
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
that does describe Boog very well
of course in the end his step daughter killed him for his money. hope that doesn’t happen to Boog
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
dude, spoilers
I was trying to be vague
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
i though only old people & me watched NCIS?
it doesn’t seem like a show VEB would like
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
Unlike your knives.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
[The cleaver vibrates as it embeds into the floorboards inches from Alxfritz’s feet.]
by spants' knife on Dec 27, 2010 9:06 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
oooohhhh.... clever!
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
be afraid fritz, be very afraid
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
i never watched it before season 3 because i thought it was just like Jag
which it spun off from, and i hated Jag. but it’s not really like Jag at all. i think it’s good not great show. it’s way, way over hyped. but it’s a good show. some parts of it are actually very aggravating, like last season they promised this huge payoff to a couple storylines they’ve had going, one since the show started. but the payoffs were hella weak. they weren’t a payoff at all. i’m surprised it’s still the most watched scripted show because of how terrible the season & those storylines ended.
the first show i saw was the season finale of season 2 where they killed off the lead female character. my dad loved the show but i never watched it with him, my brother always did because he’s a big military guy. he always wanted to join but never did because he has a heart murmur thingy. anyway by the time season 3 rolled around i had to watch it with dad because he was by that time confined to his bed. i’ve been watching it ever since.
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
men of a certain age is another show older folks like that i really like too
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
I know this is OT, but
I just got an Xbox Kinect for Christmas. I love to play games, and I have a 5 year old and a 2 year old at home. What are some great games for adults on this system? What are some great kid’s games?
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
My five year old girl loves kinectimals ---
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 27, 2010 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks twin. I'll go get it.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
wait a second, you're willie mcgee??
Hand over the cookies!
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Oh shit....
the cat’s out of the bag…
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
stllambs
Coworker: “I hope the Rams play the Saints after we beat the Seahawks. I think we match up pretty well with them [Saints].”
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
where oh where
to begin
Your team is incompetently run by baseball equivalent of the captain from the Caine Mutiny -DiscoJer
They both have 11 guys on the field at the same time.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Dec 27, 2010 2:35 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
and those 11 guys on each team all wear numbers on their shirts relative to the position they play. So there's that.
Amaury Cazana for RF in 2011 - the legend will never die!
i would never say such a statement
but your refusal to acknowledge the future NFC West champs is insulting
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 27, 2010 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
Do you watch Rams games specifically to bash them to your coworkers?
If so, your dedication is impressive
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
"That Aaron Brooks kid is pretty good," he continued,
“but nobody can stop Kurt Warner!”
by DanUpBaby on Dec 27, 2010 3:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
This is kind of a tangent but it's the best place to ask since this isn't actually a football blog...
If the Seahawks beat the Rams next week, what happens? This would result in both teams being 7-9 and each team having beaten the other team once. Who wins the division in this scenario? I feel like I’ve heard people say that the Seahawks would win and I can’t figure out why that would be the case.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Seahawks
second tiebreaker (after head to head matchups) is division record.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
I would rather play the Saints than the Packers
The Saints make a lot of mistakes. We need a lot of mistakes to win against a good team. I am rooting for the Bucs myself.
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 27, 2010 5:13 PM EST up reply actions
NFC West
I think that the NFC West team will lose their first round game, but crazier things have happened and it will be a home game, which is nuts.
I think after last night, the Saints are locked into the 5 seed so the Seahawks or Rams will have them coming to town. As a Packers fan, I was hoping to get that spot, but I feel pretty good about my team if we get in as the 6, anyway. Just gotta take care of business Sunday
nice parody!
rec
turn it up to '11
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 27, 2010 2:38 PM EST reply actions
Hardcore Legend would like to have a word with you
turn it up to '11
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 27, 2010 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
they might put him in for all the postseason clutchery
turn it up to '11
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 27, 2010 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, he has made a good "it could happen" argument
But I think that was more of a “the voters could be convinced” argument than a “he actually deserves it” argument.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
looks like Garrett Wittels hitting streak
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Saito is a Brewer too
turn it up to '11
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 27, 2010 3:36 PM EST reply actions
can't wait to get out of work and see if Target has any of those cheap dvd sets left
they had whole seasons of a bunch of different tv shows on sale for $10 to $15
turn it up to '11
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 27, 2010 3:38 PM EST reply actions
Pujols Extension Negotiations
How long before Leach authors a “talks progressing nicely” piece for the the official site?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Good question:
I have a job from 6:00-10:00 pm on Sunday night. I work in the catering business and am a “bus boy.” The Rams game is on 7:20. The Rams are just a little below the Cardinals on the totem pole so this is equivalent to a one game playoff in baseball. I absolutely, positiively want to watch this game. But I have a job at 6:00 pm that I have the option of taking or passing.
The kicker is that I am guaranteed a $100 tip no matter what. The scarcity of tips in my job is what makes this particularly appealing. I get like a tip about every seven jobs and people tell me I’m lucky that I get so many tips. Anyway, my boss said there is a decent chance I could leave by 9:00 pm. Basically my job entails setting up the food buffet and busing the tables until they are clear and normally I’m allowed to leave before it ends.
So this may sound obvious to baseball enthusiast, but assume the Cardinals equivalent: Should I work the easy job (there are 77 people there), make $130 bucks in 3-4 hours, and try to catch the rest of the Rams game at home or should I skip it and watch the entire Rams game?
If I wasn’t making so much money for so little time for so little amount of work put in, I wouldn’t even consider working.
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
Take the money...
DVR the rams game if you have one. Plus, the money’s a given. A Ram’s victory, not so much.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
+1
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 27, 2010 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
great idea
also, i am positive that I would regret not taking the money if they lost and maybe even if they won so I think i might have to go this way
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 27, 2010 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
take the money
DVR the game, and kill anyone who tried to tell you the score
Skip Schumaker fields like a goat wearing capes
Kill everyone, anyway.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Dec 27, 2010 4:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
But that's more of a reason to stay home
This is the first time they have been relevant in years so I should jump on the chance that I get to see essentially a "playoff’ game
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 27, 2010 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
They're going to be playing for the Super Bowl next year...
no doubt about it. Save your “vacation days” for that.
Sign Carl Pavano!!!
they need a RB, #1 WR, OG, DT, 2 OLBs, and depth at CB
When we fix half of these holes, I’ll buy that
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 27, 2010 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
Nah
come hang out in my office. Rams are definitely super bowl champs next year. They’re already booking their super bowl parties. Shit, they might even pull it off this year.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
I'm not much of a football fan but....
Don’t they have Steven Jackson and Donnie Avery coming back next year? That leaves a bunch of high draft picks and FA to fill OG, DT, OLB and depth at CB? That should be doable…
The Rams are the only team in the NFC West with a settled Coach/QB/LT situation, which means they should be able to make the playoffs easily next year. I bet they open the offseason as no worse than 30-1 to win the SB.
Sign Carl Pavano!!!
jackson is on the downhill side of his career
under 4 ypc this year, if I’m not mistaken. And if the Rams make the playoffs, they get 0 high draft picks this year. Highest possible pick would be 21st.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
I meant first, second, third round etc...
as high picks. The Rams are going to be awesome next year – they have the coach/LT/QB trifecta. They just need to tinker around the edges to get to 10 or 11 wins and then they have a shot.
Sign Carl Pavano!!!
thats still only 3 of the top 100 picks
and he showed you 7 positions that need to be upgraded.
I wouldn’t put my faith in Avery, isn’t this the 2nd time he’s went on the IR?
Yeah, the Rams are in a good position to compete for the division for a few years, and probably are favorites going forward, but to annoint them as the NFC’s representative in the Super Bowl is non-albertpujolsian ridiculous.
And as far as your trifecta: we (niners) have that too: Barry Sims, Smith, and Tomsula. Oh, wait, you meant GOOD talent at those positions.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
ha...
I really should stop now as my football knowledge is tiny, but if Bradford can move the ball now with this cast of WRs, he HAS to be better next year, right? Plug in any free agent WR/Avery/the other guy that got hurt, along with a year of experience for Saffold and Bradford and presto – top 12 offense. The Rams are faves for the division, which means a home playoff game, then two more to get to the SB. ITCOULDHAPPEN!
Sign Carl Pavano!!!
yeah, right
and the saints could win the superbowl.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
big whoop
The Rams have proved the hard way that high draft picks don’t necessarily means good players (Tye Hill, Trung Candidate). They were terrible and couldn’t recover because they drafted absolutely horrible and along with Bradford and Smith, they got good with incredible 2nd round picks (Lauranitis and Saffold), and some late round steals (Hoomanawanui, Fletcher, Vobora…)
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 27, 2010 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
my bad
you are the New England Patriots of the NFC West. Better?
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
haha
well the rams win by default on that one
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 28, 2010 1:23 AM EST up reply actions
Jackson is approaching "done" territory
it’s a sin to say that aloud in Rams territory, but he’s progressively getting worse… we need his replacement and soon. If anything, I mean we need a backup, because he’s not a 30 carry guy anymore.
Avery is not a #1 WR, not even close. He’s a deep threat so there’s that. But I’m talking Vincent Jackson/AJ Green like.
Also Hall is 34 and I’m thinking this season is a mirage (AND he dissapears in games frequently) so we need a DE.
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 27, 2010 5:59 PM EST up reply actions
hey i readily admit that the Rams are 7-8 because their schedule blows
The Cardinals, Raiders, Redskins, 49ers, Lions, Chargers, Seahawks, Panthers, and Broncos are all not very good and have losing records – we went 7-4 against those teams
The good teams we faced were the Falcons, Bucs, Saints, and Chiefs – we went 0-4 against them
Luckily, the division isn’t better than the Rams are so the Rams will probably be division favorites (as they should be), but they have a ways to go before Super Bowl
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 27, 2010 6:05 PM EST up reply actions
We'll get six shitty teams next year...
plus the Eagles, Bears, and Falcons – one of those will suck, probably the Bears. Plus we’ll play two entire divisions which means 2-3 more bad teams. I’m not afraid of our sched next year and neither is Sam Bradford.
Sign Carl Pavano!!!
Even the best teams don't win all of their games against bad teams
So you can’t assume they would automatically win against the division six times and 2-3 more times against the worst of the division. Not sure why you think one of the Falcons, Eagles, and Bears will suck though, but I guess I can buy beating one of them.
Again, I’m not worried about not winning the division moreso that I deny we have a good chance to win the Super Bowl without improving (dramatically in some cases) at those positions I mentioned
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 27, 2010 6:22 PM EST up reply actions
Their defense is much better than I thought it would be
but they’re going to need serious upgrades on offense to compete against their 2011 sched. This year is their best chance to make the playoffs.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
they are still competing against the NFC West
for the playoff spot.
But I agree that the offense is going need to be better next year. Pieces are there though. We get Avery back, and can pick up a WR in the draft. Add another Lineman for depth. Plus, a sophomore QB is much better than a rookie QB. (historically)
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
I wouldn't say jackson is approaching "done"
Guy is 8th in the NFL in rushing yards and every team is stacking the line against the run.
A deep threat next year will really help that guy out.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
ah counting stats
His rushing yards are a result of the backup being Ken Darby and Keith Toston. He has 3.7 YPC which is pretty awful and not even close to where he was.
Granted, the offensive line sucks at run blocking so most of the time he’ll be touched at the line of scrimmage, but he is definitely going downhill.
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 28, 2010 1:27 AM EST up reply actions
I'll continue to defend SJax behind this line
like I was defending Bulger behind the awful lines he dealt with. It’s hard to judge a players talent when none of the necessary supporting cast is in place. Football isn’t baseball. It’s a team sport
by AWolfAtTheDoor on Dec 28, 2010 2:58 AM EST up reply actions
yeah no shit what else is knew
The offensive line alone hasn’t caused his YPC to drop as much as it has
If you watch him, you can tell that he has lost something. He just doesn’t run through guys anymore and he doesn’t juke past guys nearly as much
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 28, 2010 3:00 AM EST up reply actions
Well he was a top 5-ish back in the past
He’s obviously dropped off from that, but how many chances does he have to get started. It’s hard to run over someone when you’re meeting defenders behind the line of scrimmage half the time.
I do think he would benefit a whole whole lot from some decent guards and a good running back
by AWolfAtTheDoor on Dec 28, 2010 3:08 AM EST up reply actions
Most definitely
Back in the day though, he could make do with the line he had and still be a damn good RB
I’m just connecting the decline here – Top 5ish back > Top 20 > Most effective with good backup > 50/50 carriers > backup
This year is Top 20 if you are wondering. Next year, get a back in the 1-3 rounds and ease him in… Or you could sign a FA, wait until ’12 draft and pick a RB in the 1st round
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 28, 2010 3:17 AM EST up reply actions
What about his YACo%?
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
not sure where to find that
But according to Football Outsiders, he has a -11.5% DVOA (0% is average – ranking 37th) and his estimated yards is worse than his actual yards (you want it to be more) at 980 yards – his success rate (how many rushes turn into successful plays – 1/3 for 1st, 1/2 for 2nd, 100% for 3rd, 4th down) is 42% ranking 36th overall
Also this is not counting last game when he rushed for 48 yards off of 24 carries which would bring those numbers down
Last year he had a 8.6% DVOA (ranking 16th) with 1,438 expected yards (Compared to 1,300 yards) and had a 45% success rate ranking 31st
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 28, 2010 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
yeah
don’t watch the game. if they make the playoffs, the next game you get to see is a playoff game. if they don’t make it, you didn’t have to see the big loss
turn it up to '11
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 27, 2010 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
Another Question
The Cardinals and Reds leave the station travelling to the top of the divison at Theriot miles-per-hour and the Reds leave the same station travelling at Chapman miles per hour. At what point do the Cubs fall ot of the pennant race?
Just win
At the speed of Soriano.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Dec 27, 2010 7:43 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
I think the speed of Soriano
is actually a misnomer, since it refers to negative acceleration. Starting in the 2010 season, the Cubs starting falling out of contention by 18 million miles per hour annually.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
wasn't soriano a 40/40 guys at one time?
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twatter
Question for VEP, Sommers, etc.
Do rookies who get less playing time underperform their rate stat projections? The associated question would be how would you control for sample bias — trying to block the scenarios where poor performance causes less playing time rather than less playing causing poor performance.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
It seems like a chicken-and-the-egg type of argument.
I don’t know how you would possibly control for the sample bias.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I don't have the data at hand
But I would guess that yes, rookies who get less playing time than their projections would dicate due to non-injury or political/roster reasons will generally underperform their projections. This is a combination of a lower scouting mean and, like you say, poor performance causing less playing time.
How to control for the chicken and the egg situation is a tough one. You could look at the distribution of playing time over the first 50 games or so of the season. The guys who get less playing time due to performance reasons will see an linear decrease in their playing time, whereas the guys who get less playing time due to lower projections would have more random plate appearance distributions.
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Dec 27, 2010 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
i'm wondering if the stretches of playing time matter
a guy who gets “everyday” playing time for a week might do better than a guy who gets a discount for the Memphis shuttle.
the players are always talking about training to stay warm on the bench, preparing for a short appearance, etc.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I'm not following...
I can see that players might do better with regular playing time, but that’s not what I’m trying to say. I’m saying that guys who playing time decreases over time likely lost playing time because they were playing poorly, whereas players who never had much playing time to begin with likely lost playing time because their teams didn’t think they were good from the start.
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Dec 27, 2010 5:46 PM EST up reply actions
that's making a lot of assumptions on that data, vep.
surprising given the season we just watched, in which younger players did not get playing time due to everything from injury, being blocked at the position, having someone else traded into their position, etc.
in any case, my comment was exactly what it says it is — I’m wondering. it’s a question.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Well I said...
rookies who get less playing time than their projections would dicate due to non-injury or political/roster reasons
My solution is only addressing the players who got less playing time solely due to either their performance or their projections. That was the question Azru had.
I think stretches of playing time matter in that subgroup.
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Dec 27, 2010 5:59 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah not sure off hand about how to control for the biases mentioned
I’ll think about it some.
by stevesommer05 on Dec 27, 2010 9:26 PM EST up reply actions
This guys is legimately considered a decent scout
http://www.minorleagueball.com/2010/12/21/1889805/cincinnati-reds-top-20-prospects-for-2011#55351717
It’s unfathomable.
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
I see justin doesn't limit
his asshattery to just RR.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Alonso could easily become a league average first baseman...
doesn’t that merit a B+?
Grade B prospects have a good chance to enjoy successful careers. Some will develop into stars, some will not. Most end up spending several years in the majors, at the very least in a marginal role.
I could totally see Alonso staying healthy and raking at a 850-900 clip.
Sign Carl Pavano!!!
Alonzo's been a replacement level player so far in 1,000 plate appearances in the minors
So him jumping up to league average is a stretch. I agree that if he has a .900 OPS between AAA and the majors next year he’d merit a high ranking, but he’s not there yet.
Matt Carpenter has played far better than Alonzo so far in a significant amount of plate appearances, and plays a much more demanding position yet he’s rated as a B- prospect.
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Dec 27, 2010 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
My report cards
didnt include +’s and -‘s. Therefore Alonzo and lil’ Carp are the same. Heh heh heh heh.
Good-bye Boog, we hardly knew thee.
Keep those socks high, the stache long, and the shoulder wet.
I understand that scouting is more important for minor leaguers than major leaguers
But you can’t just ignore performance.
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Dec 27, 2010 5:26 PM EST up reply actions
hmm...
A lot of this is gut level feeling from Sickels. I guess you ding Carp for being 18 months older, credit Alonso for the broken bone, and there you go… I suppose Alonso could be “prone” to breaking bones, but it seems more likely that this is a one off thing. Plus he hit dramatically better the farther he got from the injury.
Sign Carl Pavano!!!
It's not that he'd been prone to breaking bones
It’s that his stats still count, they just have to be adjusted upwards – how much do you think the injury effected him? I’d say .050 points of OPS at most, in which case he’d still have bad numbers. And he still had 400 plate appearances or so where he wasn’t injured.
And I would argue that injuries, even when they are done, have long term adverse effects on a player, both by making them weaker and stunting their development.
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Dec 27, 2010 5:35 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe you oughta take it easy on prospect evaluation
I think Sickels is betting on Alonso recovering from his injury, which he seemed to do at the end of the season this year. I wouldn’t give him the B+ either, but mostly because I don’t really see the upside as a hitter. He reminds me of Wallace and not in a good way. Everything else looks solid. The A for Chapman is legit, I love that he gave a B+ to Yasmani Grandal, he was my favorite position player in the draft besides Machado and Harper. I would knock Cozart up to a solid B, I love his bat in the middle infield.
Fire John Mozeliak
by purple_haze on Dec 27, 2010 7:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'm not talking about Sickels
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Dec 27, 2010 5:32 PM EST up reply actions
Busch II had grass until 1970...
then the rug went in on the outfield.
The infield was a dirt infield until 1976, then the rug went in (except for the sliding pits around the bases).
Lou Brock played for St Louis from 1965-1971, so he had two seasons on turf here…‘70 & ’71.
But I don’t know how much astroturf has to do with stealing bases, accept it may help with getting on base in the first place. The base paths are dirt and the ball doesn’t hit the ground on a stolen base (usually).
What am I missing?
Baseball is only a game. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole.
Thanx for the confirmation.
I thought this had to be tongue in cheek.
Baseball is only a game. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole.
by Dave Pendleton on Dec 27, 2010 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
This is VEB....
90% of our drivel is tongue in cheek.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Sometimes...just sometimes
I can’t tell until I embarrass myself.
Baseball is only a game. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole.
by Dave Pendleton on Dec 27, 2010 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
Plus, Brock played 'til '79
Boog woulda.
by The Continental on Dec 27, 2010 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
'Ole King Cole
needs to put his pipe down today!
Baseball is only a game. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole.
by Dave Pendleton on Dec 27, 2010 5:15 PM EST up reply actions
Seriously
You freaked me out.
I was starting to wonder if all of my Lou Brock memories were just ephemera.
Boog would have made that play.
Here's an SEO question for all of you web nerds...
I’ve been getting some inquiries from people to write articles for them to post on their web sites. The pitch is that this will increase my exposure. However, I’ve been reluctant to do this because these articles generally revolve around keywords like elevator pitch and pitching mechanics that I’m already highly ranked on on Google, if not top ranked. The sites I would be writing for are pseudo competitors that are ranked below me.
My concern is that I would be basically shooting myself in the foot if I were to write a piece for another site that would bump one of my own pages off of the top of the Google rankings.
Whadda ya think?
Boog would have made that play.
require them to link to you.
problem solved.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Hey, it could happen
Could they link to your page from your own so it seems like they are hosting. Or maybe you could double expose your content. Just throwing out ideas.
Good-bye Boog, we hardly knew thee.
Keep those socks high, the stache long, and the shoulder wet.
just think like a networker, tpg
there are no “competitors”, just people who can barter contacts with you.
and if all else fails, ask VEB to google bomb for you. the internetz: it’s like magic.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I heard
The interwebs is a series of tubes.
Good-bye Boog, we hardly knew thee.
Keep those socks high, the stache long, and the shoulder wet.
COME. ON. YOU. GUNNERS.
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
RIP Boog. FIRE TLR NOW
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 27, 2010 5:53 PM EST via mobile reply actions
they already did.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
I meant for rest of season
todays win give me newfound (false) hope
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
RIP Boog. FIRE TLR NOW
I put a few bucks down on 'em when I was in Vegas for a buddy.
Doesn’t look like my Magpies long shot is going to payoff… But I can’t turn down 100-1 odds!
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
I have a beer question.
My father has non-diabetic neuropathy and it has started to affect his hands. They have started to shake involuntarily and his doctor has suggested he start drinking a little alcoholic beverage to help alleviate this. So my question is this: What kinds of beer have more of a yeast flavor to them? He really doesn’t care for a very hoppy taste. I have given him a couple of different ales that he like a lot more than the more conventional brands. I’m not sure that he likes the really dark ones either. Any help would be appreciated. I’d like to get him something that he’ll enjoy, he’s never been much of a drinker except the occasional glass of concorde grape wine.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 27, 2010 6:43 PM EST reply actions
Wheat beers, hefeweizen.
Could also try hard cider.
Boog woulda.
by The Continental on Dec 27, 2010 6:46 PM EST up reply actions
or scotch.
Not sure I've seen dumber baseball words: "Brendan Ryan became expendable after (Cardinals) acquired infielder Ryan Theriot." -Joe Posnanski
Perhaps a Belgian white, or something along those lines.
I’m more of a hop head, so I don’t want to lead you astray.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Wheats, yes
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
boulevard wheat if you're in missouri
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
beer is normally high in sugar
Miller high-life lite is a low sugar beer. Also a low taste beer…
Did the doctor recommend beer? Or just alcohol?
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
yeah, he even said non-diabetic
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twatter
He is a diabetic, but it's a new condition and didn't cause the neuropathy.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 27, 2010 7:52 PM EST up reply actions
i see
is that why he doesn’t just stick with the wine?
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Sometimes he gets an idea that he wants a particular thing.
Hell, he’s eighty years old and raised seven kids and worked his ass off his whole life. I figure the guy can have what he wants as long as the doctor says so. I’m not sure what kind he’s remembering, but he says that the beers he used to like had more of a yeast flavor to them than the ones today have.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 27, 2010 8:01 PM EST up reply actions
flying dog's in heat wheat
is about as good as it gets if you can find it
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hahahahaha
I’ll get him some of that just to see the look on his face. Thanks
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 27, 2010 8:04 PM EST up reply actions
I always laugh when I see that beer, but I've never tried it.
I’ll put it on my to-do list for July.
So they sell it in the St. Louis area?
I might be able to get some on a special order then. I know the owners of a couple of liquor stores and bars. If I sweet talk them enough they might get some in for me.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 27, 2010 8:22 PM EST up reply actions
Cool. Thanks.
I’ll have to see if they even sell it in Illinois. Took me forever to be able to buy Shiner Bock in IL even though they sold in the Lou.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 27, 2010 8:28 PM EST up reply actions
that is most definitely the most hefe hefe that I've ever attempted to drink
Skip Schumaker fields like a goat wearing capes
One of my favorite beers, that is no longer made,
was Lorelei, by Kessler here in MT. It was an IPA that tasted just like biting into a warm loaf of bread. I’ve never tasted anything close to it since.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
best taste in the world, huh?
I’ve actually tried to hunt down the guy that used to own the brewery to see if he get me close to the recipe for home brewing. My roommate and I used to have cases shipped to us when we were living out there.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I love making bread.
Eating just-baked bread is nearly a religious experience. Too late in the evening for me to get started, though.
My fave is fresh baked honey-wheat,
with butter and strawberry jam.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
*hint-hint
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 27, 2010 8:39 PM EST up reply actions
It's true, eating bread out of the oven is unlike other bread eatings.
Just something about it. It’s all warm but you don’t have to toast it. It’s home made so it doesn’t taste like most bread. Oh man.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
My mom used to make sourdough
she baked it in a 1-lb coffee can. It was delicious while still warm out of the oven (pretty good later too).
by ArkansasTravs on Dec 27, 2010 11:02 PM EST up reply actions
Damn, that just sounds delicious.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 27, 2010 8:33 PM EST up reply actions
It was a traditional IPA, from a turn of the century recipe,
so he may like an IPA, if you can find one that hasn’t succumbed to the current “put as much hops as possible in there” craze that the beer world seems to be in right now.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
He seemed to like the Blue Moon Honey-wheat ale that I gave him.
I know that I like the hell out of it myself.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 27, 2010 8:42 PM EST up reply actions
Sam Adams Coastal Wheat is easy to find
and it’s actually a pretty good beer, especially considering who makes it.
Skip Schumaker fields like a goat wearing capes
i refuse to drink that chowderheads swill
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
just start feeding him weeeeeeed brownies.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
This
When you get old, they should just let you be high all the time.
Fire John Mozeliak
by purple_haze on Dec 27, 2010 9:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
why should all the old folks have all the fun?
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
be careful
if they recommend neurontin
side effects of declining mental acuity come on gradually and can be missed
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
this is very true, especially if he's already showing signs of decline
this happened with my dad & we didn’t realize it till it was too late
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
Thanks for the tip.
I don’t think they have him on that, but I’ll check on it.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 28, 2010 1:32 AM EST up reply actions
Didn't specify.
I already know he doesn’t like High Life. One of my brothers brought him a six pack of that and he drank one and gave the rest to me. I drank it, it’s not my favorite, but I choked it down. He has to watch how much he has anyway since he’s a borderline diabetic.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 27, 2010 7:51 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks for the suggestions.
I was figuring that the wheats were the best chance but didn’t know if there were any better types that I hadn’t tried yet.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 27, 2010 7:58 PM EST up reply actions
There was nothing on TV yesterday
so I flipped over to MLBN just in time to see the very end of the Top Blown Calls (of all time!). Guess what was #1? Right, Dekinger in game 6. Biased as I am, I think I would have made the Jeffrey ??? home run non-interference call. (I can’t remember the kids name, but, anyway, you know the one where he reached over the wall and pulled the ball into the stands and the ump, standing not thirty feet away, says it’s not interference, damn Yankees).
Anyway, the next show was top defensive plays of 2010. What a bummer, not a single Boog play in the 80 they showed. Lots of outfielders making dives after a few steps, Castro’s grab of AP’s screaming one hopper was in there. The only Cardinal to make the show was Colby’s HR rob in Cincy.
jeffrey maier
Fire John Mozeliak & Tony LaRussa! (Good luck in Seattle, Boog!)
by zoomzoomj88 on Dec 27, 2010 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
right
for some reason, all I could think of was Dahlmer. Quite a different Jeffrey.
by ArkansasTravs on Dec 27, 2010 11:04 PM EST up reply actions
Dan
Best main page post all off-season. Thanks.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
Most excellent post
As a Twin Cities resident I hear that Jack Morris ‘80s crap every year he doesn’t get in. Of course I also hear the legitimate indignation that Blyleven hasn’t gotten his due.
I love the post also because I could never stand Morris. I’ll never forget the year (actually I do forget what year exactly) that he was a free agent and was touring the country in a mink coat looking for a contract at a certain price. If I remember correctly the right price was 4 million a year. Lo and behold he didn’t get it. His response to that was “Now I know how Jackie Robinson felt”. No you don’t Jack, and you don’t belong in the Hall of Fame.
what do you guys think of this as a 7-year pujols projection?
age – WAR – WAR$
31 – 7 – 5
32 – 6 – 5
33 – 5 – 5.5
34 – 4.5 – 5.5
35 – 4 – 6
36 – 3.5 – 6
37 – 3 – 6.5
that makes a 7-year contract worth about $180MM or $25MM AAV. i think if we bumped it up to 7/200 which is about 28MM per, we could probably get it done without really crippling the team
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so this contract could look something like
’11 – 25
’12 – 26.5
’13 – 27.5
’14 – 28
’15 – 29
’16 – 29
’17 – 30
with a $5MM signing bonus and about $2MM per year deferred
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I'd unhappily be happy with that contract.
Love the AAV… 2 guys both with 7 year deals into the mid to late 30’s scares the crap out of me.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
I have a hard time seeing WAR/$ getting that high
unless the new CBA raises the league min salary significantly. No real rational reason for that, and as the yankees core ages I could easily see them panicking and radically increasing payroll, but my gut feel is that it’ll be more stable than that outside of a couple of markets over the next 7 years, unless there’s a miraculous economic recovery.
Not sure I've seen dumber baseball words: "Brendan Ryan became expendable after (Cardinals) acquired infielder Ryan Theriot." -Joe Posnanski
i don't really have any argument to support it
but i think traditionally, it had been increasing at a rate somewhere around there
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OTOH, if it DOES get that high
then the Holliday deal will be a steal.
Not sure I've seen dumber baseball words: "Brendan Ryan became expendable after (Cardinals) acquired infielder Ryan Theriot." -Joe Posnanski
It's already a steal...
6/103 vs. Werth at 7/126 and CC at 7/42… Plus Holliday is actually better than those guys. Might as well guarantee that 2017 option right now. That’s how good I feel about Holliday.
Sign Carl Pavano!!!
i really never thought i'd like the Lego deal
then this winter happened
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
I think we'll look back on those as awful decisions, though
rather than market-setting decisions.
Not sure I've seen dumber baseball words: "Brendan Ryan became expendable after (Cardinals) acquired infielder Ryan Theriot." -Joe Posnanski
here's what i was looking for
this is how it’s been
2002 – $2.6m / win
2003 – $2.8m / win
2004 – $3.1m / win
2005 – $3.4m / win
2006 – $3.7m / win
2007 – $4.1m / win
2008 – $4.5m / win
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by prophetjohn on Dec 27, 2010 10:04 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, I know
but unless revenues are also rising at 8-11% per year, or unless the market was artificially low in the early 2000’s, that can’t be sustained.
Not sure I've seen dumber baseball words: "Brendan Ryan became expendable after (Cardinals) acquired infielder Ryan Theriot." -Joe Posnanski
How much of that is inflation?
Fire John Mozeliak
by purple_haze on Dec 27, 2010 10:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
avg yearly inflation from 2002-2008 was 2.8%
so between 25 and 35% of the above, per year, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.
Inflation was actually slightly negative in 2009 (-.34%). Data isn’t out yet for 2010.
Not sure I've seen dumber baseball words: "Brendan Ryan became expendable after (Cardinals) acquired infielder Ryan Theriot." -Joe Posnanski
Well that kinda overstates that because of the compounding effect
At 2.8%, it would have been 3.06M in ’08, so that change is mostly reflective of the insane revenue growth MLB had.
That’s the craziest thing to me with these really long contracts right now, depending on who you talk to, it’s either projecting 0% inflation or even deflation vs. 10+% inflation from other people. Based on how it’s gone the past 20 years, 10% core inflation would probably mean something like 20% MLB growth.
Not afraid to nitpick
to be honest
I think your really low on Pujols for 2011. He had 7.3 WAR last year and 7 WAR would place second worst in his career. I expect him to bounce back and have a 7.5-8 WAR season
For the sake of not being biased however, I guess we can assume 7 WAR is his true talent level.
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 28, 2010 1:33 AM EST up reply actions
A desperate telegram
Been suffering with terrible illness since christmas eve. Stop.
Unable to access internet during that time. Stop
Request news on Albert Pujols extension situation. Stop.
Either myself or my internet will die shortly. Stop.
God speed. Stop.
We're all counting on you.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
that's the most you've ever uttered the word stop since that fabulous night in 09,,,,
sorry you’re sick. i hope you don’t die
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
FYI VEB, i wasn't the one making him blush that night, i was just in the other room
and there were very thin walls
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
I have the Lindbergh baby STOP.
Will trade for Pujols signing at 5 years, 150 Million STOP.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
No love for McGwire
Not sure if y’all can see this, as I have a sub to ESPN, but Howard Bryant is not voting for Big Mac for the HOF anytime soon.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 27, 2010 9:09 PM EST reply actions
and Alex Rodriguez is a swell guy
and will probably be a True Yankee any moment now.
Boog woulda.
by The Continental on Dec 27, 2010 9:15 PM EST up reply actions
I saw them interviewing ARod right after he signed with Texas
Talking about how the money wasn’t all that important, he just felt the Rangers were the right franchise for him.
Fire John Mozeliak
by purple_haze on Dec 27, 2010 9:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I couldn't finish reading
Holier-than-thou writers piss me off. First of all, stop acting like steroids magically produced all of his stats. Would they be worse? Possibly, but for the love of fucking god don’t act like he made 75 fucking million because of his steroids and ONLY because of his steroids.
Second of all, I’m pretty sure saying you’re sorry worked for A-Rod, Pettite (as said above), players who still play. He never did admit it and he never said he didn’t. Why you can basically write down “I’m not here to talk about the past” as “I took steroids, get the fuck over it” – at least he “did not take steroids. PERIOD!”
Lastly, I want to hear this guy’s opinion on Bonds. Does he think he should go in? The writer just coincidentally happens to be black but that’s not why I’m asking. I really fucking hate writers who absolve Bonds but will condemn McGwire, because Bonds without steroids would still get in. Well, we have no way of knowing that now do we?
/End rant
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 28, 2010 1:41 AM EST up reply actions
...
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Dec 27, 2010 9:29 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
this would be much more relevant
if there was a Dave McKay circle.
Not sure I've seen dumber baseball words: "Brendan Ryan became expendable after (Cardinals) acquired infielder Ryan Theriot." -Joe Posnanski
by SleepyCA on Dec 27, 2010 11:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
In case anyone is interested....
MLB2k10 is on sale at steam for $1.99 again.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
On the note of video games
NHL11 sucks…..and it’s almost exclusively because they fucked the passing system. You have to hold it down for at least a beat to get anything on a pass, so 1. you can’t one touch pass 2. it’s stupid how long it takes just to make a defensive pass to clear your zone. Happens all the time where you get stick lifted and pick pocketed, but you can’t be skating backwards since you have to aim forwards so they have 2 steps on you by the time you react. 3. YOU CAN’T ONE TOUCH PASS 4. making short passes is 100x harder because you can’t hold pass for too long 5. YOU CAN’T ONE TOUCH PASS.
Not afraid to nitpick
That sucks.
Hockey is probably my favorite sports game. One touch pass is key.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
The NHL series has been the best sports game running
And I have been absurdly good at them. I’m still really good in 11 but it’s not fun at all. The lack of quick passing basically just makes it all one on one deking or maybe a one pass rush. It’s very difficult to break anyone down with passing.
Not afraid to nitpick
I started back in college with nhlpa 93 on the sega.
I’ve been hooked since.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
bitching time
They screwed up so many basic things that just wouldn’t be that hard to fix. Defending wise: stick lift→clean steal is easier than poke checking it away, the forwards still don’t backcheck at all like they should, diving in your offensive zone is insanely effective with virtually no penalties yet it’s an insta-tripping in your d-zone, the board play in 10 was way too easy to initiate now it’s way too hard.
Offensively the passing is just fucked, AI players run away from being on the weakside doorstep so they can tie up with the covering d-man, “the cycle” does not exist—-you are much better off getting to the half boards and trying to walk your way to the slot, the ridiculous hits from behind that you can’t brace for are only called a penalty half the time. FUCK.
That and they made Halak an 85 and Kiprusoff and Fleury an 89……what?
Not afraid to nitpick
interesting
how do you play a baseball game on PC?
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by prophetjohn on Dec 27, 2010 11:36 PM EST up reply actions
with a $10 controller?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
fuck it
i bought it. hard to go wrong for $2
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by prophetjohn on Dec 27, 2010 11:44 PM EST up reply actions
I got 2 usb controllers off of
ebay for $10.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
i have a PS3 controller
hoping that will work
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by prophetjohn on Dec 27, 2010 11:46 PM EST up reply actions
it should.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
The Show is where it's at
But that is really low.
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 28, 2010 1:43 AM EST up reply actions
Can it really be easier to stop the Saints and get the ball back...
then it is to simply complete a six yard pass. These football dudes all come off as the toughest guys around but I don’t know if there’s a more risk-averse bunch.
Sign Carl Pavano!!!
The stupid thing is that it changes their 3rd down calls
If you asked any coach how often they think they could go run-run to get a 1st down on 2nd and 2, they’d say "oh that’s a manageable down, we get that 95% of the time. Yet 3rd and 2, when it’s exactly the same situation, coaches will feel the need to pass to make sure that their one opportunity 3rd down play gets the yardage.
Not afraid to nitpick
I don't get it
If you are on the offensive 40 yard line, and it’s a 50-50 play to make the 1st, it is 100% the right play to go for it. I will never figure out why anyone ever punts on 4th and inches except in select game situations from inside the 30.
Not afraid to nitpick
We're going to look back on this era...
as hopelessly mismanaged. Giving the ball back to New Orleans with under three minutes just so you can avoid the decisive play is unbelievably stupid.
Sign Carl Pavano!!!
I had a similar thought about rajah and his .424 average.
Is the dead ball era that different from the steroid era? Rajah probably wouldn’t have hit .400+ in 2003, but he might have hit .360 or .370. That’s an achievement for the era. You can’t discount the steroid era entirely, but you should account for it. You don’t need to keep barry bonds out of the Hall entirely, but you don’t need to admit every guy with 500 HR in the era.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
by tom s. on Dec 28, 2010 12:14 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Tonight Show is on but looks weird
It’s like the frame rate is off, which makes it look like something other than live to tape.
Boog would have made that play.
HFS FFS FMUGAAOIHRFOIJEFFIOHAIOFJIEJFOJFOJFJJDF
the latest article from Goold is so full of shit & double talk i don’t even know what to say anymore. just read it for yourself
motherofassgotfuckingdammit this team is fucked
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
not a lot of deep thinking going on, apparently.
especially at the p-d. Wtf happened to goold? was he always a joke, and we didn’t notice, or is he just acting like a joker now for some kind of long-term advantage?
Not sure I've seen dumber baseball words: "Brendan Ryan became expendable after (Cardinals) acquired infielder Ryan Theriot." -Joe Posnanski
I don't think he was acting like a joker and I don't think he's a joke.
I think he was just reporting on what he could the best he could without going full on “This team sucks!”. He was just writing whatever BS Tony and Mo was spewing. It’s not like he didn’t point out that we’re going to be starting 5 minus defensive players this year, now that would’ve been BS had he not pointed that fact out.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 28, 2010 5:54 AM EST up reply actions
Well this is great news
Skip’s going to be in the best shape of his life!
by AWolfAtTheDoor on Dec 28, 2010 3:06 AM EST up reply actions
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